[00:00:09] <Snake007uk> one sev
[00:00:36] <Snake007uk> do you have all of these enabled
[00:00:37] <Snake007uk> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107178/
[00:01:52] <Berny> yeah
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[00:02:32] <Snake007uk> i have no idea then
[00:02:38] <scoffin> yes, and a lot more "network" services also
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[00:02:45] <Snake007uk> it doing a look up though
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[00:06:24] <Berny> http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1356909
[00:06:34] <Berny> just works
[00:06:44] <Berny> noe dns, no in the hosts file
[00:07:32] <_Lewellyn> woo only 7 more gigs to move :P
[00:07:40] <Snake007uk> lol
[00:07:56] <Snake007uk> _Lewellyn i upgraded to gig before i moved :)
[00:08:09] <_Lewellyn> Snake007uk: it's on the same pool :P
[00:08:12] <Snake007uk> lol
[00:08:16] <_Lewellyn> just moving between datasets
[00:08:31] <Snake007uk> let me do this from scratch
[00:08:46] <Snake007uk> something it obviously blocking it or is making NFS use DNS for reverse lookup
[00:08:59] <Snake007uk> anyone know where this can be enable/disabled
[00:09:38] <_Lewellyn> and here we go with another 20gb moving between datasets!
[00:10:10] <_Lewellyn> Snake007uk: a packet dump shows that you're doing queries against your nameserver?
[00:10:30] <Snake007uk> I did a snoop
[00:10:51] <CosmicDJ> do a snoop with '-r' again
[00:11:21] <Snake007uk> ok
[00:11:49] <Snake007uk> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107185/
[00:12:44] <CosmicDJ> I don't see anything dns related in there
[00:13:18] <Snake007uk> yes but its definately looking in the host file for an entry
[00:13:27] <Snake007uk> how can i increase the logging or enable it?
[00:13:36] <Snake007uk> i have checked /var/adm/messages
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[00:14:16] <Berny> /etc/default/nfslogd iirc
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[00:15:08] <Berny> and share with -o log
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[00:18:32] <tsoome> just share it with rw orro for all and you should be able to access it without any issues
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[00:20:46] <Snake007uk> i have rw for all
[00:20:59] <Snake007uk> im not trying to restrict it
[00:22:15] <Snake007uk> it doesnt matter what i put as the options
[00:22:34] <Berny> do you still have it in dfstab?
[00:23:27] <Snake007uk> nope
[00:23:41] <Snake007uk> but it is in sharetab
[00:24:00] <Snake007uk> but i think thats from the zfs command
[00:25:19] <Berny> yeah that like mnttab
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[00:25:37] <Snake007uk> im finding lots of stuff on google saying nfs does resolution
[00:25:41] <Snake007uk> but nothing on how to stop it
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[00:26:40] <Berny> I've never seen this issue in the past 13 years
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[00:26:53] <Snake007uk> i haad this before
[00:26:59] <Snake007uk> and i used the host entries to fix it
[00:27:09] <Snake007uk> but.. now it seems thats the only solution
[00:27:17] <CosmicDJ> There were no dns lookups in your last snoop
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[00:27:36] <Snake007uk> CosmicDJ i know but... its the only way it works?
[00:28:02] <CosmicDJ> as others have pointed it, it works for them w/o DNS
[00:28:14] <Snake007uk> do you have /network/nfs/mapid running
[00:28:19] <Berny> according to your nsswitch.conf if nfsd tried to get the hostname, after failing /etc/hosts there would have been dns queries
[00:28:42] <CosmicDJ> yes, it started automatically
[00:28:48] <Berny> yes but mpaid is only involved in nfsv4 iirc
[00:28:52] <CosmicDJ> (and only needed for nfsv4 AFAIK)
[00:29:25] <tsoome> yep
[00:29:38] <Berny> the only thing i don't have is the mdns in nsswitch.conf
[00:29:44] <Snake007uk> wooohooo
[00:29:46] <Snake007uk> fixed it
[00:29:48] <Snake007uk> OMG!
[00:29:51] <Snake007uk> mdns
[00:29:58] <Snake007uk> after dns, i have mdns
[00:30:00] <tsoome> there is no mappin in nfsv3 because they transfer numeric uid/gid not textual
[00:30:09] <Snake007uk> thats whats caused it
[00:30:32] <Berny> .oO(didn't i just say that? ;-))
[00:30:45] <Snake007uk> Berny I had
[00:30:47] <Berny> no seriously, you had mdns last right?
[00:30:48] <Snake007uk> files dns mdns
[00:30:49] <scoffin> heh.... no mdns in my nsswitch.conf
[00:30:55] <Snake007uk> no idea mdns was lkas
[00:31:02] <Snake007uk> mdns was last
[00:31:08] <Snake007uk> no idea why it was in there in the first place
[00:31:50] <Berny> so gethostbyname would walk the hosts file, then ask dns and mdns last, but the snoop didn't show dns queries (or is your resolv.conf just empty?)
[00:32:29] <Snake007uk> resolve.conf has the following
[00:32:34] <_Lewellyn> dude. i swear this mysql 5.0 is borked.
[00:32:45] <Snake007uk> domain = mydomain.com
[00:32:51] <Berny> mysql in general is borked ;-)
[00:32:54] <Snake007uk> domain mydomain.com
[00:32:58] <Snake007uk> search mydomain.com
[00:33:02] <Snake007uk> nameserver 192.168.1.10
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[00:33:25] <_Lewellyn> Berny: i've put my data files where mysqld says it's looking for them, but it's got a database from somewhere else and i have nfc where!
[00:33:33] <tsoome> that search is not needed really:P
[00:33:55] <Berny> ah wait you snooped with snoop 192.168.1.130?
[00:34:03] <sfire||mouse> is opensolaris able to read/deal with linux LVM disks?
[00:34:06] <tsoome> _Lewellyn: man truss
[00:34:32] <Berny> _Lewellyn, /var/mysql? ;-)
[00:34:45] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: truss is being unhelpful. i don't know how to properly truss something under smf. it's being wonky.
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[00:34:56] <Snake007uk> Berny yes
[00:34:58] <_Lewellyn> Berny: have you looked in your /var/mysql? ;)
[00:35:20] <Berny> _Lewellyn, data -> 5.0 and 5.0 ;-)
[00:35:49] <Berny> anyway time for bed
[00:35:53] <tsoome> then its nor truss fault, its you:D
[00:35:55] <_Lewellyn> Berny: yup. i assume that my data goes in data
[00:36:31] <CosmicDJ> sfire||mouse: I don't think so...
[00:37:45] <sfire||mouse> was worth asking, I have an iomega NAS that I think uses LVM that crapped out, and I've got on opensolaris install to play with, I think I'll be putting ubuntu on it for now
[00:37:49] <sfire||mouse> thanks
[00:38:06] <CosmicDJ> np, hf
[00:38:15] <Snake007uk> thanks guys
[00:38:21] <Snake007uk> atleast the problem is solved now :)
[00:38:30] <scoffin> gl snake
[00:38:30] <Snake007uk> Berny thanks for you help dude
[00:38:42] <Snake007uk> dont need luck need a manual :)
[00:38:54] <Snake007uk> ill post the mdns issue on my wiki for future reference
[00:40:00] <asyd> pan
[00:40:10] <asyd> hey Snake007uk, you're back :)
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[00:42:39] <Snake007uk> hey asyd :)
[00:42:43] <Snake007uk> i never left ;-)
[00:42:49] <Snake007uk> i sold all my old sun kit
[00:42:57] <Snake007uk> bought my self a HP ML115 G5
[00:43:04] <Snake007uk> put 4TB of storage
[00:43:08] <Snake007uk> and setup opensolaris
[00:43:25] <Snake007uk> still mainly a linux dude, but im always watching the other side :)
[00:43:28] <Snake007uk> learning :)
[00:43:36] <Snake007uk> long time dude how you been ?
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[00:46:25] <oenone> can i mount openbsd partition from opensolaris?
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[00:47:08] <_Lewellyn> "maybe"
[00:47:48] <_Lewellyn> in theory you can, if the planets align correctly. but i haven't heard of anyone actually doing so in recent memory.
[00:48:07] <_Lewellyn> a couple of people have asked lately, but they never said if they were successful.
[00:48:40] <_Lewellyn> and there's a good chance of wiping out your data, especially if it's ufs2 (dunno if obsd does ufs2 yet).
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[00:55:47] <MrCerulean> Good afternoon. I've built an NFS file server on OpenSolaris and a Dell server. I'm having some pretty serious performance issues.
[00:56:20] <MrCerulean> I only have 1 GB of RAM, but low RAM should not explain some of the things I'm seeing.
[00:56:34] <MrCerulean> Write speeds across the network are very slow.
[00:56:49] <MrCerulean> I've attached an external USB disk and made a zpool out of it.
[00:56:53] <MrCerulean> Added a filesystem.
[00:57:00] <benley> is it just NFS traffic that's slow, or are other network operations affected?
[00:57:11] <MrCerulean> If I cd to a directory in that filesystem and do an ls, it blocks.
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[00:58:09] <MrCerulean> One other problem was that I nfs mounted a filesystem from a Linux box and did an rsync to the rpool. On directories with lots of little files, I'd see a burst of 30-40 files transferred, than a pause of 5-10 *minutes*, then another burst of file traffic.
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[00:58:47] <CIA-40> Stuart Maybee <Stuart.Maybee at Sun dot COM>: 6775011 bad trap page fault while starting dom0
[00:58:49] <CIA-40> meem <Peter.Memishian at Sun dot COM>: PSARC 2009/162 DLPI Notification Tweak, 6814532 dlpi_enabnotify() must not require DL_IDLE
[00:58:53] <MrCerulean> Despite the load average being close to 0, I also see things like inordinately long time to login (30 seconds). Slow response on simple things like ls (when it doesn't block completely).
[00:59:26] <benley> any unhappiness showing up in /var/adm/messages?
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[00:59:37] <MrCerulean> I switched to doing the rsync over ssh and now it writes fairly quickly.
[00:59:58] <MrCerulean> swap exceeded. :(
[01:00:03] <MrCerulean> Yeah.
[01:00:07] <benley> perhaps you're out of ram :)
[01:00:12] <MrCerulean> That'll slow things down somewhat. Time for more ram.
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[01:00:59] <MrCerulean> Oh.
[01:01:04] <MrCerulean> That was back on 7 March.
[01:01:14] <benley> oh, damn
[01:01:14] <MrCerulean> Right now, swap is fine.
[01:01:32] <MrCerulean> And nothing current in the logs.
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[01:02:20] <MrCerulean> And now zpool status is blocking on reading the external usb drive. :(
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[01:02:31] <nachox> evening
[01:02:37] <benley> yeesh.  maybe USB isn't as happy as you want it to be.
[01:02:57] <MrCerulean> Looks that way. I will try disconnecting that drive and see if the overall system improves.
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[01:11:20] <_Lewellyn> hey nachox
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[01:12:18] <jonathanwilner> hi, after a year + of success installing Nevada on a Thinkpad T60, I am getting a panic on install with b109
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[01:12:34] <jonathanwilner> i've tried the GRUB acpi disabling procedures to no avail
[01:12:43] <jonathanwilner> anyone else having similar problems or any advice?
[01:13:30] <wbkang> Hmm I have X61 but it installed fine... (it couldn't wake up after sleeping though) :(
[01:14:36] <jonathanwilner> i haven't tried it on my T61p
[01:14:40] <jonathanwilner> which is the next move
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[01:15:03] <jonathanwilner> but there's a 32-bit v 64-bit difference, though installer is 32-bit anyway, so shouldn't make a difference...
[01:15:16] <wbkang> I guess if it works on T61p, the next step is to check that T60 with the doctor software thing comes with thinkpad
[01:15:18] <jonathanwilner> did you install clean or luupgrade?
[01:15:26] <wbkang> clean install, i did
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[01:15:37] <wbkang> oh yea it's called PC Doctor
[01:15:43] <wbkang> the hardware checker software
[01:15:48] <jonathanwilner> right
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[01:23:39] <jonathanwilner> wbkang: thanks for the advice
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[01:31:08] <piwi> anybody out there with virtualbox on 109?
[01:32:54] <piwi> i wonder if there is any news on usb support
[01:34:21] <oninoshiko> wbkang: i know  that snv_107 works on a TP T60p
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[01:36:10] <wbkang> jonathanwilner: no problem. oninoshiko says that snv_107 works on a TP T60p.
[01:38:26] <oninoshiko> well a regression could have been introduced in 108 or 109
[01:39:18] <wbkang> Yep.
[01:40:08] <oninoshiko> you might post as much info as you can get about the problem. I have had SMI engeneers get back to me about this sort of thing. (turned out to be a BIOS bug that was fixed shortly after my report)
[01:40:39] <wbkang> Mmm.
[01:41:52] <nachox> nice, guest access for CIFS
[01:42:11] <piwi> how
[01:42:47] <oninoshiko> the point remains, they are vary responcive to a kernel-panic report. (cut & paste from a serial console is your friend)
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[01:44:27] <wbkang> (I'm a student) I guess I'll probably get used to serial consoles after like a year.. heh
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[01:46:00] <oninoshiko> I will admit they are not as common as they used to be, but they can be useful. debugging is one of those times! (also it's a 3rd way into a machine, which has proven useful, and setting up stuff like routers and switches)
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[01:46:43] <wbkang> True.
[01:47:08] <wbkang> I think in my OS course, I'll probably be using a bochs vm
[01:47:25] <wbkang> Maybe I'll be using them in real-time courses.
[01:49:05] <_Lewellyn> dude. SUNWmysql5test? i don't like it :(
[01:49:28] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn:  why not?
[01:49:57] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: it's the most non-standard mysql install i've seen yet. and i've seen linux distros do some weird things
[01:50:12] <oninoshiko> where does it install?
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[01:50:20] <_Lewellyn> /usr/mysql/5.0
[01:50:36] <_Lewellyn> the data is in /var/mysql/5.0/data
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[01:50:51] <_Lewellyn> and i still can't find the actual error log
[01:51:21] <oninoshiko> well, what if you wanted more then one version? seems to have mearly considered that
[01:51:32] <_Lewellyn> mysql 4 is in /usr/sfw
[01:51:43] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: have you found the config file?
[01:52:11] <_Lewellyn> no
[01:52:31] <oninoshiko> lol, that would be what I would look for...
[01:52:38] <_Lewellyn> i have been looking ;)
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[01:52:58] <piwi> should be in etc i'd guess
[01:53:06] <_Lewellyn> piwi: good call. let's see.
[01:53:22] <_Lewellyn> /etc/mysql/5.0, yes :P
[01:53:58] <_Lewellyn> no specific log file defined
[01:54:24] <oninoshiko> hrm... it looks like the village here has monies (sponsored loans?) for people making improvements... i can't find out where to look though :(
[01:55:11] <_Lewellyn> i'm still trying to figure out how to get php to link against that mysql... the site's dog slow without the proper configure options and patches to php :P
[01:55:26] * oninoshiko has 1/2 the money for installing a Geo-Thermal heat-pump
[01:55:32] <piwi> _Lewellyn: have you tried webstack?
[01:55:47] <_Lewellyn> piwi: sxce ships with webstack afaict
[01:55:55] <_Lewellyn> so yes, i'm using webstack, i'd guess
[01:56:20] <piwi> do you have the webstack config menu item?
[01:56:34] <_Lewellyn> um. it's a headless machine. i wouldn't know on that one.
[01:56:36] <piwi> has a mysql log entry on osol
[01:56:37] * _Lewellyn checks his machine
[01:56:40] <oninoshiko> there should be a completely self-containted web-stack package (never used it myself)
[01:56:42] <piwi> ok, forget it :)
[01:57:05] <_Lewellyn> where is the config menu item?
[01:57:44] <piwi> /var/svc/log/application-database-mysql:version_50.log
[01:57:58] <piwi> it says in my webstack default setup
[01:58:16] <_Lewellyn> yeah. that log wasn't showing the errors that the docs said i should have seen with that corrupt database.
[01:58:36] <_Lewellyn> nor was the .err file in the data dir
[01:58:55] <CIA-40> Cathy Zhou <Cathy.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6813741 mac_tx_is_flow_blocked() panicked because of NULL mac_client_impl_t, 6811070 softmac calls copyb() which strips db_struioun.cksum.flags effectively disabling H/W checksum
[01:59:03] <piwi> it's the only log i'm knowing, but use only for some small php testing
[01:59:18] <piwi> plain out of the box
[01:59:45] <_Lewellyn> but when the docs say "foo should be logged to your error log" and you can't find "foo" anywhere, something's up :P
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[02:00:35] <_Lewellyn> this is a full php app i'm moving from linux to see (prove?) that a lesser-specced solaris box can outperform their standard redhat lamp build
[02:00:50] <_Lewellyn> right now, with the stock php, it is not.
[02:01:09] <_Lewellyn> so that's my current project... figure out how to get php to build against mysql :P
[02:01:38] <ry_laptop> doesn't solaris have their own stack?
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[02:01:49] <ry_laptop> 'samp' :)
[02:01:50] <darkog> hello.
[02:02:26] <darkog> looking for help with sound on "SunOS 5.11 snv_101b i86pc i386 i86pc"
[02:02:26] <darkog> "
[02:02:39] <darkog> is this right place?
[02:03:10] <ry_laptop> 2008.1
[02:03:11] <ry_laptop> 1
[02:03:16] <ry_laptop> probably
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[02:04:22] <darkog> i am trying to get sound working on this system. downloaded oss and installed and osstest works fine. but still no sound in firefox or anything else.
[02:04:33] <ry_laptop> *nod* I will update to the newest build.
[02:04:34] <piwi> _Lewellyn: http://wikis.sun.com/display/WebStack/Web+Stack+Getting+Started+Guide has path infos and so on
[02:04:46] <ry_laptop> there ar einstructions online for updating snv_101 to 106
[02:04:55] <darkog> i tried linking to different /dev/sound and from /dev/audio and didn't do much.
[02:04:56] <ry_laptop> "which is what 2009.04 is going to be built on"
[02:05:02] <ry_laptop> I had problems with sound and it fixed it.
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[02:05:31] <darkog> okay. i will try to upgrade to 106
[02:05:32] <darkog> thansk
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[02:05:36] <ry_laptop> it's painless.
[02:05:46] <ry_laptop> just make a beadm snapshot of your current env.
[02:05:55] <ry_laptop> that way, if it blows up your golden.
[02:07:10] <_Lewellyn> piwi: that page doesn't say why a custom build of php would fail to perform the linking step against the provided mysql5, with the proper -L -l -R options
[02:07:24] <piwi> indeed
[02:07:53] <_Lewellyn> piwi: also, the package names in sxce are slightly different (e.g. SUNWmysql5test), and i don't have the menu option they mention. so i suspect that sxce doesn't have the "current" webstack
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[02:08:34] <piwi> maybe, the wiki only talks about opensolaris ans ips packages
[02:08:50] <_Lewellyn> as a rule, yes. which means guessing at the state of affairs on sxce, often
[02:09:39] <_Lewellyn> note that they don't mention mysql logs on that page :(
[02:10:14] <_Lewellyn> i have a sneaking suspicion that the error i was supposed to see was being sent to the bitbucket by SUNWmysql5test
[02:10:48] <_Lewellyn> so, it may be fine in osol. *shrug*
[02:11:11] <_Lewellyn> my issue is resolved, less gracefully than it could have been. i still don't know the cause :(
[02:11:26] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: frankly I wouldn't expect a huge performance gain on low-end kit. High-end kit maybe, but the ugliest pieces of code you are running is still mysql and apache that's the same in both configs. I'd see if i could get them running the same on the same kit, then argue the benifits (data reliablity, snapshotting, etc)
[02:11:44] <_Lewellyn> no apache
[02:12:01] <_Lewellyn> and it's not exactly "low end", just "lower end"
[02:12:20] <_Lewellyn> 4 xeon cores and 6gb ram isn't exactly skimpy for serving php
[02:13:05] <piwi> sounds sufficient
[02:13:41] <_Lewellyn> and this machine "only" has mirrored 10k rpm drives
[02:14:11] <oninoshiko> not 15k?
[02:14:20] * oninoshiko ducks
[02:14:50] <ry_laptop> Not SSD !?
[02:14:54] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: no, that's the machine this one is supposed to outperform
[02:14:59] <_Lewellyn> this is "spare parts"
[02:15:10] <ry_laptop> hard to beat raw drive iops
[02:15:13] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: not till i have ssd of my own, my clients won't get it ;)
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[02:15:35] <ry_laptop> heh
[02:15:43] <ry_laptop> lew : do raid 0
[02:15:46] <_Lewellyn> seems fair in my world
[02:15:51] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: no.
[02:15:55] <ry_laptop> only way you're going to show better numbers.
[02:16:02] <_Lewellyn> can't stripe a root pool anyhow
[02:16:04] <ry_laptop> esp if you are using 10k sata vs 15k sas
[02:16:13] <_Lewellyn> and that's not the only way. disk contention isn't the issue.
[02:16:23] <ry_laptop> Oh, that's good. heh
[02:16:33] <_Lewellyn> almost all the data gets cached in ram. that much is lucky
[02:16:40] <ry_laptop> *nod* I see.
[02:16:51] <ry_laptop> blah gotta get back to this.
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[02:17:07] <ry_laptop> At least I'm doin the fun part now, naming my vnics... basically deciding the company wide namin scheme now :)
[02:17:09] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i gotta finish with this infected windows server. i want to be on the 7pm train
[02:17:16] <ry_laptop> Heh
[02:17:24] <ry_laptop> the more I go around. the more I love living in japantown.
[02:17:28] <_Lewellyn> name them after beans :)
[02:17:34] <ry_laptop> I can take a train up to s.f. or drive to the beach.
[02:17:44] <ry_laptop> no no, this is going to be good.
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[02:17:55] <ry_laptop> my hope is to completely saturate these 4 gigE links
[02:18:14] <_Lewellyn> beans is a far better naming scheme than some i've seen :P
[02:18:36] <_Lewellyn> naming servers after botanical names, for example :(
[02:18:57] <_Lewellyn> "yeah. that machine is rose. i can't ever remember how to spell its real name..."
[02:18:59] <ry_laptop> "magic fruit"
[02:20:58] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: have you tried Sun Webstack?
[02:21:18] <oninoshiko> https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=Web-Stack-1.4-OTH-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI
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[02:22:02] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: can you tell me exactly how it differs from the packages in 108? and whether LU to newer builds will replace them? ;)
[02:22:12] <oninoshiko> it should give you optimised set of packages for the entire SAMP stack.
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[02:22:30] <_Lewellyn> it appears that the installed packages are some variant of webstack
[02:23:03] <oninoshiko> i havent the foggiest... im just trying to give you places to look help you out... frankly im not useing SAMP
[02:23:05] <_Lewellyn> but regardless, the php in it won't be patched with the patches provided by the vendor and myself for this specific application.
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[02:23:22] <_Lewellyn> that's my only hang-up right now
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[02:23:32] <oninoshiko> eww, vendor PHP-patched
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[02:23:52] <_Lewellyn> i can't get my own build to link against the system mysql5, even cribbing off webstack
[02:24:14] <_Lewellyn> and not all vendor patches are bad. nor are all third-party patches.
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[02:24:58] <_Lewellyn> let's just say that i don't even have to test to know that the provided php will start dragging to a crawl at 1000 concurrent connections or so
[02:25:30] <_Lewellyn> a patched php tests "instantaneous" at 150K or so
[02:25:31] <nachox> it's php after all :)
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[02:26:13] <_Lewellyn> it's a single-purpose php. and i have no problems with running multiple phps on a box if it means performance gains ;)
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[02:26:26] <_Lewellyn> and that's why god invented /opt :D
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[02:27:29] <nachox> _Lewellyn, isnt it what /usr/local is for? :P
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[02:27:55] <ry_laptop> /usr/local is for nfs mounts
[02:27:58] <_Lewellyn> /usr/local is for completely custom-rolled stuff ;)
[02:28:02] <ry_laptop> for poeple who don't know how to use nfs.
[02:28:19] <_Lewellyn> like /usr/local/bin/pastebin :D
[02:29:29] <oninoshiko> nachox: clearly you need to reread "man filesystem"
[02:29:59] <nachox> oninoshiko, have you ever heard of sarcasm?
[02:30:13] <ry_laptop> :'(
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[02:30:20] <_Lewellyn> wait. there's a man filesystem?
[02:30:26] <nachox> of course
[02:30:26] <_Lewellyn> next you'll tell me there's a man ls!
[02:30:27] <oninoshiko> no, whats that?
[02:30:33] <ry_laptop> well, there's a MAN's filesystem. and that's ZFS
[02:30:35] <nachox> though to :P
[02:31:55] <_Lewellyn> train time. back in an hour or so, unless we miss it :P
[02:32:05] <oninoshiko> no, REAL men write their disks with a hex editor
[02:32:23] <oninoshiko> TTFN _Lewellyn
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[02:33:18] <nachox> oninoshiko, then real men dont have jobs, because people get paid to be productive :P
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[02:33:42] <nachox> _Lewellyn, http://blogs.sun.com/vanga/
[02:34:23] <nachox> there you have some info about tunning php, it's targeted at sugarcrm though
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[02:35:09] <oninoshiko> seen the unemployment rate lately?
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[02:35:32] <nachox> lots of real men?
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[02:36:27] <oninoshiko> could be! speaking of unemlopyment.... let's play with the server some more so i get it running faster and dont get ferd
[02:37:33] <nachox> hehe
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[02:43:29] <oninoshiko> hrm... wonder if there is a packet-sniffer in SXCE...
[02:44:38] <nachox> snoop
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[02:49:15] <oninoshiko> yay! let's play WTF is comstar doing!
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[02:50:40] <nachox> ?
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[02:51:45] <oninoshiko> trying to test comstar's iscsi target... but it doesnt seem to be actually accessable from my QLogic iscsi HBA...
[02:52:29] <oninoshiko> i think i have a grasp of how it is suppose to work... i did get it working with fibre channel
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[02:56:27] <oninoshiko> nachox: know what the package name for snoop is offhand?
[02:57:22] <samc> oninoshiko: in opensolaris, snoop is in SUNWrcmdc
[02:57:24] <nachox> in indiana, it's SUNWrcmdc
[02:58:12] <oninoshiko> ok, it appears to be the same in nevada too... thanks
[02:58:37] <nachox> no problem
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[03:51:31] <abisen> i am trying to create a zpool on a non used USB hard disk "c10t0d0", but the error that i am getting is "/dev/dsk/c9t0d0s0 is part of active ZFS pool MaxtorZFS", which i am not even specifying in my commandline "zpool create Maxtor_iSCSI c10t0d0"
[03:51:55] <abisen> I know that c9t0d0 is part of MaxtorZFS pool
[03:52:46] <abisen> any help would be appreciated... "invalid vdev specification
[03:52:46] <abisen> use '-f' to override the following errors:" Should i be using the -f option... or will it nuke c9t0d0
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[03:58:52] <CIA-40> Edward Pilatowicz <Edward.Pilatowicz at Sun dot COM>: 6814349 memory leak in xdfs_probe()
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[04:17:54] <dclarke> question: if I stat a file that does not exist and ignore the return value from stat ( filename, &stbuf ) then stbuf gets filled with some fairly random looking data. Where is that data coming from ? random noise or what ?
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[04:18:52] <trichobezoar> was it there before stat?
[04:18:58] <dclarke> nope
[04:19:04] <dclarke> and not after either
[04:19:14] <dclarke> I fell on this .. in a funny sort of way
[04:19:22] <trichobezoar> not before and not after?
[04:19:31] <dclarke> am using dbx to single step my way through and I thought .. wow .. that's weird
[04:19:45] <dclarke> right, the file .. let's call it foo .. does not exist at all
[04:20:01] <dclarke> check this out
[04:20:14] <dclarke> stopped in main at line 44 in file "depend.c" 44           if ( ( stbuf.st_mode & S_IFMT ) == S_IFDIR ) {
[04:20:15] <trichobezoar> are you going to start rapping?
[04:20:27] <dclarke> (dbx) print stbuf
[04:20:30] <dclarke> stbuf = {
[04:20:34] <dclarke>     st_dev     = 4282253712U
[04:20:40] <dclarke>     st_ino     = 4282253508U
[04:20:44] <dclarke>     st_atim    = {
[04:20:47] <dclarke>         tv_sec  = 12
[04:20:47] <dclarke>         tv_nsec = 71000
[04:20:50] <dclarke>     }
[04:20:52] <dclarke> etc etc
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[04:22:20] <trichobezoar> interesting.  maybe the library allocates memory before it stats the file...  i wonder why it would do that.  oh yeah, it needs to allocate a place for the kernel to put it in before it gets put
[04:22:25] <dclarke> hrmmm funny .. I just ran that agian and this time the numbers are the same .. no idea wwhere that are coming from
[04:23:05] <dclarke> this is a little error checking bit of code that looks before it leaps sort of thing and I was wondering why it acted the way it did on stupid input
[04:23:07] <\amethyst> trichobezoar:  wouldn't that make it non-reentrant?
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[04:23:49] <trichobezoar> um yeah it would...  it would put the state in the library code instead of the calling program
[04:24:17] <sactodave> Can we please have 109 for IPS, please?
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[04:28:17] <joanmarie> Hey guys. I'm trying to set up a BE in which I can add GNOME 2.25/2.26 packages will live in a local repo. I'm thinking/hoping I can pull this off by creating a user image. Am I way off? :-)
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[04:52:37] <void79> hello everyone
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[04:54:25] <void79> anyone talking =)
[04:54:35] <dclarke> ya
[04:55:14] <dclarke> mostly I'm trying to compare the spec of a few things at the OpenGroup to what I see in OpenSolaris and scratching my head to see where the heck some of this comes from
[04:55:18] <oninoshiko> not at the moment, but noone has brought an interesting topic to the floor lately
[04:55:28] <dclarke> I did
[04:55:32] <dclarke> I brought in a good one
[04:55:37] <dclarke> at least I thought I did
[04:56:22] <oninoshiko> well, yes, you did, but i dont have anything intellegent to add...
[04:56:37] <dclarke> well ... I can perhaps add something
[04:56:48] <dclarke> see http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libbc/inc/include/sys/stat.h
[04:57:02] <dclarke> and see http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/sysstat.h.html
[04:57:20] 
[04:57:23] <dclarke> SUSv2
[04:57:32] <dclarke> I think I should be looking at SUSv3
[04:57:35] <dclarke> but anyways
[04:57:50] <oninoshiko> yeah... my recollection of C is like a steel trap (rusty)
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[04:58:00] <dclarke> S_IFMT is some symbolic noation for the type of file in the filesystem
[04:58:23] <dclarke> and I can easly get the whole stuct of data and determine the filesystem type etc
[04:58:34] <dclarke> but I don't seee a decent def for these symbols
[04:58:41] <dclarke> other than in usr/src/lib/libbc/inc/include/sys/stat.h
[04:58:49] <void79> i actually had an opensolaris related question, if any of you are familiar with connecting opensolaris with an active directory domain
[04:59:01] <dclarke> active direc ?
[04:59:07] <dclarke> is that .. Microsoft ?
[04:59:23] <oninoshiko> dclarke: why yes, i beleave it is
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[05:00:24] <oninoshiko> void79: im afraid i cant help you there... depending on what you want to do with it samba works.
[05:00:59] <oninoshiko> or so ive been informed
[05:01:16] <void79> well, I'm trying to integrate opensolaris servers into our network.. our domain controller is a win2k machine
[05:01:27] <void79> I think i have everything set up correctly on that side
[05:01:40] <void79> it's the opensolaris side that i'm having trouble with
[05:01:47] <void79> see: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=96592&tstart=0
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[05:02:29] <void79> basically I have smb.conf and krb5.conf set up just like the tons of online resources say to, but still no worky
[05:02:56] <oninoshiko> sorry... i dont know
[05:04:29] <void79> hmmm
[05:05:02] <void79> it's a very frustrating problem.
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[05:08:39] <\amethyst> void79:  is this relevant?   http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/cifs-discuss/2008-November/000990.html
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[05:16:27] <void79> hmm, just added myself and still get this:
[05:16:29] <void79> Mar  9 23:23:00 jupiter smbd[413]: [ID 970359 daemon.error] smbd: fully-qualified domain name is unknown
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[05:18:25] <void79> * specifically: I added the accound I was using to do smbadm to domain admins group and got the above error
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[05:19:30] <void79> I also got the datagram error but I don't think that's the problem. I have another opensolaris machine that will join to the domain and I still get that little error about datagram packets...
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[05:26:04] <\amethyst> void79:  hm, http://fr.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=61597 says you can get the message if SMB packet signing is enabled on the Windows server
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[05:37:07] <void79> disabled SMB packet signing on the win2k3 server, restarted samba, same result
[05:40:25] <\amethyst> then you've exhausted my google-fu :)
[05:41:08] <void79> hehe
[05:41:19] <void79> i've exhaused mine too - as well as my brain
[05:41:48] <\amethyst> in resolv.conf your 'search' should be lawoffice.local, but I wouldn't think that would matter since you have the correct one for 'domain'
[05:42:27] <\amethyst> unless servername.servername.lawoffice.local  resolves, in which case that could be a problem
[05:47:22] <void79> hmm, that may be it - now I'm getting an error about clock skew, which I believe means I need to sync my time with the domain controller
[05:47:41] <void79> kerberos complains about "clock skew to great"
[05:48:39] <void79> and I'm no loger getting the error about the fqdn
[05:48:55] <\amethyst> yeah, kerberos requires the clocks be synced
[05:49:39] <void79> I use ntpdate right? Or is that depreciated?
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[05:55:20] <g4lt-lappy> well w2k3 doesn't, but if you sync to the same server it should be good
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[05:57:01] <\amethyst> void79:  usually you'd use ntp so that you stay in sync
[05:57:08] <\amethyst> void79:  ntpdate is for a one-time sync
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[06:04:45] <mibt> Could anyone let me know if there is a way to let opensolaris use utc without having to modify time zone information and rtc_config as well as init file?
[06:07:07] <Topdeck> I've joined the OS box to a Windows domain, is there a way to set the owner of a dir to a domain user without using Windows?
[06:11:41] <mibt> so does it mean that if windows use local time then all other oses have to use local time as well, unless the admin is willing to undergo some pain :)
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[06:15:23] <mibt> question closed
[06:15:48] <void79> Topdeck: is the directory you are trying to set permissions for on the unix box? Or a windows share?
[06:16:14] <Topdeck> void79: It's on the opensolaris box
[06:17:45] <Topdeck> and it's not just a directory, it's a zfs volume shared via SMB (and NFS, but that shouldn't matter)
[06:17:56] <void79> then using chmod/chown to set permissions should work - when a windows domain user has a mapped drive to the share, the access grants stick
[06:18:54] <Topdeck> but I want to chown the share itself, not a directory in it
[06:19:10] <Topdeck> like: chown user@domain /tank/home/user
[06:20:08] <Topdeck> also, there are no local users except root on the box
[06:21:04] <void79> well, do you have idmaps set to map active directory users to your nix box?
[06:22:18] <Topdeck> yeah, idmap add winuser:*@domain unixuser:* has been done
[06:22:23] <Topdeck> and the groups
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[06:22:55] <Topdeck> but I'm not sure it worked, files created in windows just show numbers as the owners of files
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[06:23:11] <void79> hmmm
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[06:27:01] <void79> ok, not sure about the numbers for owners thing, but if you made a zpool and shared it via smb, you should be able to do a chown/chmod on the filesystem share.
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[06:29:14] <void79> and when people on a windows machine connect to the share the permissions will stick. You might need to do "smbpasswd -a username" if the idmapping isn't working correctly to add the domain users to the local box
[06:30:02] <void79> if the windows username matches the smb username everthing should work.
[06:31:02] <void79> ug, I need some sleep. Thanks amethyst for your help earlier - I think I may have figured out the problem
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[07:38:57] * Panarchy says Hi
[07:38:57] <Panarchy> I need a GRUB BootCD that can boot into any OS installed. I need it to automatically populate the list of OSs. I once found a project for doing this, but I can't find the link. Does anyone know the link, or how I can make this BootCD?
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[07:50:23] <Panarchy> Can someone please download this: http://svn.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/trunk/grub2/?root=grub (GRUB SVN) and tell me it's file-size?
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[08:02:20] <trygvis> Panarchy: use wget
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[08:03:37] <Panarchy> Haven't used it in a while
[08:03:42] <Panarchy> I have now install subversion
[08:03:45] <Panarchy> Got this error;
[08:03:46] <Panarchy> svn: URL 'http://svn.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/?root=grub' is not properly URI-encoded
[08:04:39] <flagun> Panarchy: svn co svn://svn.sv.gnu.org/grub
[08:05:09] <Panarchy> Thanks
[08:05:13] <Panarchy> Where does it download to?
[08:05:36] <flagun> Panarchy: in ur working dir
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[08:06:06] <Panarchy> cool
[08:06:08] <Panarchy> THANKS
[08:07:10] <abisen> is there iSER (COMSTAR) on the latest Opensolaris ?
[08:07:46] <Panarchy> !version
[08:07:51] <Panarchy> !topic
[08:07:56] <Panarchy> What's latest version of OpenSolaris?
[08:08:58] <abisen> 2008.11
[08:10:40] <Panarchy> I'll see what I have
[08:11:26] <Panarchy> 2008.05
[08:11:40] <Panarchy> Time to get a new one shipped for free :D
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[08:38:03] <qiyong> how to re gernerate boot_achive? i'm in safe mode, / is mounted at /a
[08:39:19] <asyd> rm /a/platform/i86pc/boot_archive
[08:39:26] <asyd> bootadm update_archive -vR /a
[08:42:01] <codestr0m> asyd: morning
[08:42:10] <asyd> heya codestr0m
[08:42:49] <trochej> C offee
[08:43:10] <qiyong> asyd: no space left!
[08:43:11] <codestr0m> asyd: how's it going?
[08:43:23] <codestr0m> qiyong: df -h /
[08:43:28] <codestr0m> qiyong: df -h /a
[08:43:51] <qiyong> codestr0m: it's nearly full
[08:44:01] <codestr0m> qiyong: ok then there's your answer
[08:45:10] <qiyong> codestr0m: c0d0s0 is only 4G, how to enlarge it?
[08:46:17] <codestr0m> qiyong: since I assume this is your root pool.. you're stuck.. move stuff off there to free space
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[08:47:10] <asyd> codestr0m: well, probably moving to a new work, a (solaris 10) sysadmin one :)
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[08:47:22] <asyd> how to enlarge it.. hmm
[08:47:40] <codestr0m> asyd: awesome.. except the sol10 part
[08:47:49] <asyd> lol :)
[08:48:05] <asyd> you don't like sol10?
[08:48:10] <qiyong> codestr0m: how to list the discks/partitions ?
[08:48:40] <codestr0m> qiyong: format -e or do you mean df -h or do you mean zpool status
[08:49:08] <codestr0m> asyd: do you have the source for it.. (actually I think it's available under sun nda agreement or something)
[08:49:20] <codestr0m> do you like maintaining 100 servers with patchadd?
[08:49:24] <asyd> ahh well
[08:49:46] <asyd> long story. But I prefer manage sol10 servers than linux one
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[08:50:06] <fraggeln> smpatch! :)
[08:50:14] <asyd> pca
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[08:50:23] <lblume> Update Manager!
[08:50:47] <trochej> apt-get
[08:51:24] <codestr0m> asyd: I could go either way depending on the need.. I'm trying to make my silly little platform a hands down win, but hard work
[08:51:54] <fraggeln> trochej: agree, but its not for solaris :D
[08:52:01] <lblume> I apologize for my obvious trolling - the crappy Oracle eHR thingthat ma company forces me to fill in is getting on my nerves, I needed to let some steam out.
[08:52:07] <asyd> well I'm tired to google every time I need an info about something in the linux kernel
[08:52:11] <asyd> or look at the source
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[08:52:24] <trochej> fraggeln: Naxenta :)
[08:52:29] <trochej> s/Na/Ne/
[08:52:40] <asyd> anyway, time to go @work :)
[08:52:57] <codestr0m> asyd: have fun
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[08:53:29] <fraggeln> trochej: works well as a workstation as well?
[08:53:42] <codestr0m> fraggeln: I think he was being sarcastic
[08:53:49] <fraggeln> codestr0m: ok.
[08:53:50] <trochej> fraggeln: Don't know, I use SXCE/os2008.11 as workstation. :)
[08:53:57] <fraggeln> I use sxce as workstation.
[08:54:04] <fraggeln> and solaris10 for servers
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[09:10:27] <DTEIT> morning
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[09:33:01] <trochej> Mornin
[09:33:04] <trochej> Coffeeeeeee!
[09:33:07] <trochej> EEeee
[09:33:08] <trochej> Eeeee
[09:33:09] <trochej> EEee
[09:33:12] <trochej> Yumm
[09:33:43] <codestr0m> trochej: I think you got a double shot this morning ;)
[09:34:05] <trochej> Yeah, I had two espressos already
[09:34:21] <trochej> I have now one strong plus, whatever that means
[09:34:22] <oenone> intravenously?
[09:34:27] <trochej> Hmmm
[09:34:31] <trochej> That might be an idea
[09:34:37] <oenone> or rectal infusion?
[09:34:46] <lukehasnoname> It's 4am and I have a project management test in the morning
[09:34:50] <lukehasnoname> er
[09:34:54] <lukehasnoname> 0336
[09:35:09] <lukehasnoname> Who the hell is Goldratt and why the hell should I care
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[09:36:31] <trochej> lukehasnoname: Theory of constraints
[09:36:55] <trochej> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldratt
[09:37:00] <trochej> you have quite informative short her
[09:37:02] <trochej> here
[09:38:29] <trochej> I don't remember much more. I think it has to do with company refactoring
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[09:43:56] <_setuid_H> Morning all
[09:44:32] <codestr0m> _setuid_H: morgan
[09:44:53] <_setuid_H> codestr0m: hi
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[10:24:16] <capitano> can I use a physical interface through the xvm ?
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[10:41:27] <bostik> hi all
[10:42:02] <bostik> if i have a zfs filesystem with / on tank/root
[10:44:19] <bostik> and i have /mydir (with files in it); is there a way to create a new zfs mount (eg. tank/mydir) pointing to that directory and without losing files  ???
[10:47:58] <seanmcg> something like; mv /mydidr /mydir.to.move; zfs create -o mountpoint=/mydir tank/mydir; mv /mydir.to.move/* /mydir;
[10:48:42] <seanmcg> though that will miss any dot files/dirs, eg mydir/.a.dot.file
[10:49:30] <chrisg> oops. i may haev imported my zfs root to another install,  and now cant boot it on another box
[10:49:33] <chrisg> bwuahah
[10:49:43] <Stric> people have been requesting a "mksplitzfsdir" or whatchacallit, but it has not been implemented
[10:49:54] <Stric> chrisg: boot off net/dvd and zpool import -f rpool
[10:51:13] <chrisg> hmm
[10:51:26] <chrisg> so i dont do a zpool export on the net/dvd?
[10:51:30] <chrisg> and just reboot and boot from the disk?
[10:51:46] <Stric> well, import+export.. just to update the hostid in the pool
[10:52:00] <chrisg> hum
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[11:06:29] <bostik> seanmcg, i'm gonna do that trick because i have to disable atime on a directory and i think i can disable only per zfs mount
[11:06:33] <bostik> is it right ??
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[11:08:12] <Tpenta> yes, atime is a mount option
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[11:09:38] <bostik> a last question for doing my trick is it possible to work with something like a second mountpoint ???
[11:09:46] <seanmcg> bostik, as Tpenta says its a mount option and can disable atime with zfs set
[11:10:39] <bostik> seanmcg, i mean the first problem to get tank/mydir
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[11:14:49] <seanmcg> bostik, you can create the mountpoint when creating the zfs or afterwards even with  zfs set mountpoint
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[11:21:07] <capitano> is it easy to install whireshark in solaris ?
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[11:22:22] <asyd> well, you can save using snoop and display with whireshark
[11:23:36] <capitano> I liked colours
[11:23:39] <lblume> capitano: It's part of the OpenCSW packages, so yes, very easy.
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[11:24:11] <lblume> I actually do as asyd says, use snoop to capture packets (I don't install wireshark on servers), then display them locally.
[11:24:26] <capitano> I need on the workstation
[11:24:45] <lblume> Sso install it on the workstation.
[11:24:52] <capitano> I must understand wich clients are infected by conflicker
[11:24:57] <lblume> pkg-get -i wireshark
[11:25:18] <lblume> Check www.opencsw.org for details.
[11:25:25] <capitano> thanks very much
[11:28:53] <capitano> is csw blastwave ?
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[11:29:15] <trochej> capitano: Yes
[11:29:46] <lblume> No
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[11:29:50] <oenone> can i download SXCE via ftp?
[11:29:52] <lblume> There was a split
[11:30:01] <lblume> There is OpenCSW and Blastwave
[11:30:23] <lblume> The contents are still quite similar (and should be the same for wireshark)
[11:32:55] <wilbury> opencsw is reincarnated blastwave
[11:33:48] <lblume> There is www.opencsw.org and www.blatwave.org.
[11:33:57] <lblume> www.blastwave.org, sorry
[11:34:36] <lblume> The two co-exist as different projects now, each with their own name. OpenCSW is OpenCSW, Blastwave is Blastwave.
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[11:43:47] <aadikr123> how do i redirect clients connected to one dhcp server to another dhcp server
[11:44:27] <codestr0m> lblume: you meant www.bloatwave.org right? ;)
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[11:53:32] <samc> aadikr123: that's not really how dhcp works
[11:53:58] <samc> when a client wants an IP address, it sends a broadcast on its ethernet segment.  If a dhcp server is configured to respond with an IP address, it will
[11:54:27] <samc> if you want a dhcp server on a different network segment to allocate IPs, you can set up a dhcp relay server
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[11:57:02] <aadikr123> actully i am working on load balancing issues in the network
[11:57:12] <aadikr123> i have 2 dhcp server in the network
[11:57:14] <lblume> codestr0m: Yep, perfect for Slowlaris as it stands :-)
[11:57:14] <aadikr123> in which
[11:57:26] <lblume> Time for dinner here, by all!
[11:57:29] <aadikr123> only one dhcp assigns the ip addresses
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[11:57:42] <aadikr123> the other dhcp server sits idle
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[11:58:12] <mib_h1kckm> hi
[11:58:12] <aadikr123> i want to redirect some of the clients connected to one dhcp server to other so that i can balance the load
[11:58:38] <asyd> well, read your dhcpd f*king manual
[11:58:54] <mib_h1kckm> does anyone have virtualbox running on opensolaris? I just installed it and when starting up a vbox i get: Cannot open host device '/devices/pci@0,0/pci-ide@8/ide@1/sd@0,0:c,raw' for read/write access. Check the permissions of that device (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED).
[11:59:21] <samc> aadikr123: again, you can't 'redirect dhcp clients', because they don't actively connect to a server.
[11:59:42] <samc> if a server is configured to respond to a dhcp request broadcast onto the ethernet segment, it will
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[12:01:33] <aadikr123> ok, thanks
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[12:08:58] <X-Istence> mib_h1kckm: Are you attempting to use a whole disk slice as the hard drive for the virtual machine?
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[12:10:13] <mib_h1kckm> X-Istence: nope, i created virtual disks for the vbox
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[12:10:56] <xRaich[o]2x> mib_h1kckm: got it running right at the moment
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[12:12:28] <X-Istence> mib_h1kckm: Hmmm, that is the only time I have seen a similar error like that.
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[12:13:01] <mib_h1kckm> got it, it's the cdrom drive, i changed it to use an iso image and now it works
[12:13:41] <X-Istence> Cool
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[12:21:48] <Panarchy> I have this comp I'm working on running VMware Fusion with Server 2003 and 2x Windows XP, all on the same domain. I have a separate computer (Old pentium 4) running Windows XP which I would like to use as a print server. I don't want to have to join the Pentium 4 to the Domain. Is there a way to make it a print server, or alternatively to make Ubuntu (installed on same comp) a Print Server, with full capabilities, including Driver Distribution
[12:22:50] * oenone wonders if this is #windows
[12:23:53] <monsted> i see mac, windows and linux, but no solaris in that question
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[12:31:12] <Deiu> Good morning!
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[12:31:58] <kindyroot> monsted: I share your vision xD
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[12:44:36] <coldsun> How can I mount FAT disk in OpenSolaris
[12:44:38] <coldsun> ?
[12:45:06] <seanmcg> mount -F pcfs <disk> <mountpoint>
[12:47:28] <coldsun> seanmcg: how can I get <disk> argument?
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[12:49:04] <Deiu> Quick question: is there a HOWTO for network install using 2008.11? I haven't found anything related to this subject on the official installation guide.
[12:49:10] <xRaich[o]2x> coldsun: rmformat
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[12:52:47] <coldsun> xRaich[o]2x: rmformat gave me just my DVD Reader/Writer
[12:52:55] <ken> use format
[12:53:36] <coldsun> ken: format gave c3t0d0
[12:53:52] <coldsun> ken: I need mount c3t0d0p1
[12:54:11] <coldsun> So... How can I get this "c3t0d0p1"?
[12:54:14] <seanmcg> coldsun, whats fstyp /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0p1 say ?
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[12:54:45] <seanmcg> if its pcfs, then mount -F pcfs /dev/dsk/c3t0d0p1 <mountpoint>
[12:54:56] <coldsun> seanmcg: pcfs
[12:55:11] <seanmcg> try the mount ?
[12:55:13] <ken> if you are sure that its a single partition and primary
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[12:56:30] <coldsun> seanmcg: it mounts... But how can I know that I need mount exact "c3t0d0p1"?
[12:57:03] <coldsun> ken: it's single and primary. I know it
[12:57:05] <seanmcg> cause fstyp said it was a pcfs ?
[12:57:13] <ken> coldsun: this might help - http://wiki.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Mounting_filesystems
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[12:58:12] <coldsun> seanmcg: my question is "how can I know that I have to mount c3t0d0p1... insted of (for example) c3t0d0p0?"
[12:58:45] <ken> use prtpart on c3todo
[12:58:56] <ken> c3t0d0
[12:59:17] <ken> it will list down partition information with device alias
[12:59:45] <timsf> Deiu: there was no network installation support for 2008.11
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[12:59:57] <Deiu> Oh damn.
[13:00:06] <Deiu> Will it be supported in 2009.*?
[13:00:08] <timsf> it's the Auto Install project
[13:00:13] <timsf> yes, I believe so.
[13:00:27] <timsf> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/auto_install/
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[13:01:19] <Deiu> Thanks!
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[13:02:04] <coldsun> ken: prtpart "command not found"
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[13:03:32] <ken> coldsun: you have to install two pkgs, FSWpart and FSWfsmisc
[13:03:43] <ken> coldsun: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/binfiles/README.FSWfsmisc.txt
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[13:06:50] <coldsun> ken: Thank u
[13:06:56] <coldsun> seanmcg: thank u
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[13:09:50] <coldsun> ken-afk: thank u
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[13:12:34] <coldsun> ken-afk: Is FSWpart like some alternative to FUSE?
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[13:40:50] <deftunix> hi all, how can i download zfs sources?
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[13:41:30] <asyd> well, funny I thought people interested by zfs sources was able to use google
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[13:44:13] <lukehasnoname> deftunix: quick, port it to linux before Sun notices
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[13:45:10] <jteo> oh be nice
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[13:48:25] <Lab-One> hi to all
[13:48:40] <Lab-One> why my ssl and https it's soooooooooo slow.
[13:49:32] <asyd> deftunix: cvs.opensolaris.org for example
[13:49:35] <Stric> Because the moon is tilted in the wrong angle right now
[13:49:39] <deftunix> asyd: ;)
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[13:53:59] <capitano> anyone who installed the facebook plugin in pidgin ?
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[14:07:15] <coldsun> Guys, which plugin should I install for playing DVD in Totem?
[14:08:19] <asyd> codecs from fluendo
[14:08:35] <coldsun> asyd: are they free?
[14:08:44] <asyd> not for dvd
[14:09:05] <coldsun> asyd: ))) But wht about DVD?
[14:09:30] <asyd> I just said they're NOT free
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[14:09:51] <monsted> no vlc port for solaris?
[14:10:08] <coldsun> asyd: so how I able to get them???
[14:10:13] <asyd> redistrubte (legaly) freesoftware than can play DVD is very complex problem
[14:10:24] <asyd> coldsun: buy them?
[14:10:42] <asyd> or use vlc/mplayer/totem with other plugins
[14:10:54] <coldsun> asyd: ok thanks
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[15:23:09] <ball> Is 768 Mbytes RAM enough to try OpenSolaris?
[15:23:43] <cmihai> Sure, but don't expect to have much fun
[15:23:44] <houst0n> Barely
[15:23:48] <cmihai> OpenSolaris uses ZFS
[15:23:55] <xRaich[o]2x> zfs needs ram
[15:23:58] <xRaich[o]2x> loads of it
[15:23:59] <cmihai> And that requires quite a bit of RAM for caching and stuff.
[15:24:10] <cmihai> Also it uses Gnome (JDS)  by default
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[15:24:22] <cmihai> And a few Java apps to the mix and you'll be paging like crazy
[15:24:33] <houst0n> You could limit the zfs arc cache down to like 200mb, but it's not a good move
[15:24:34] <cmihai> I suggest a minimum of 2GB
[15:25:07] <estibi> /c/c
[15:25:10] <xRaich[o]2x> you can do useful work with 1GB though. worked on one of my laptops
[15:25:26] <ball> Oh well, won't be trying that on my current machine then.
[15:25:33] <cmihai> As long as you don't run Gnome or use Java apps or any server technologies
[15:25:51] <cmihai> Or stuff like NetBeans or any other IDE
[15:27:05] <ball> Is Gnome optional on OpenSolaris then?
[15:27:05] <xRaich[o]2x> 1gig is the absolute minimum imho
[15:27:20] <cmihai> ball: it's just like any other OS
[15:27:23] <xRaich[o]2x> you can turn it off. but opensolaris installs it by default
[15:27:26] <cmihai> Same can be said about memory usage
[15:27:32] <cmihai> It's all about the applications you're running.
[15:27:40] <ball> Hmm... okay.
[15:27:55] <cmihai> But take in mind Solaris is optimized for systems with at least the minimum ammount of memory.
[15:28:02] <cmihai> And for 2009 that's 2GB.
[15:28:12] <monsted> it'll give you a feel of how ZFS works, then you can always buy more memory :)
[15:28:26] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah memory is pretty cheap
[15:28:28] * ball nods  I should just save the US$ 90 that 768M of RAM would cost me and put it towards a new mainboard.
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[15:28:34] <cmihai> What's 4GB of non ecc RAM on desktops now? 20$?
[15:28:57] <oenone> my server would need registered ecc ram
[15:29:26] <monsted> even ECC memory is cheap
[15:29:37] <ball> monsted: for this box, US$ 30 for 256 Mbytes
[15:29:42] <monsted> urgh
[15:29:50] <monsted> how old is that thing? :)
[15:29:51] <xRaich[o]2x> ball: learn to let go ;)
[15:29:54] <chrisg> haha
[15:29:56] <ball> old.
[15:30:08] <cmihai> 1GB DDR2 667Mhz, PC5300 $12,62
[15:30:23] <ball> I have many of the parts I would need to build a new PC, but not all of them.
[15:30:35] <tsoome> old systems are not cheap, thats the reason people swapping them out...
[15:30:36] <oenone> i'd never buy ram modules with less then 2GB per module
[15:30:37] <ball> I have case, PSU and some disk drives that I could use at a push.
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[15:30:54] <cmihai> Just buy a new machine
[15:31:00] <cmihai> You can get a laptop for like 400$
[15:31:05] <ball> I have some processors, but I'll probably not use them.
[15:31:12] <ball> cmihai: I can't afford a new machine.
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[15:32:03] <ball> Mrs. ball is ahead of me in the "new PC" line anyway
[15:32:12] <ball> ...though I would inherit hers if that happened.
[15:32:24] <cmihai> So go configure a few of your NetBSD routers for some people
[15:32:37] <cmihai> You can score $50 for 3 hours work quite fast.
[15:32:47] <cmihai> And buy more RAM
[15:33:14] <ball> cmihai: my existing machine maxes out at 768 Mbytes though.
[15:33:39] <monsted> if it maxes out at 768, build something else :)
[15:33:46] <monsted> what is it? a PPro? :)
[15:33:54] <ball> monsted: Pentium III
[15:34:42] <xRaich[o]2x> amazing that thing is older than my last desktop pc :P
[15:34:52] <ball> t'was donated ;-)
[15:35:56] <xRaich[o]2x> you could give the livecd a shot but the fun begins with zfs
[15:36:18] <xRaich[o]2x> but if you are interested in dtrace you can checkit out on the livecd
[15:36:52] <cmihai> I still have some PIII machines in production, but at least they're servers... 2 x 1.33 Ghz Tualatin, 4GB ECC RAM and 4x36GB 15000 256MB cache RPM in RAID-10
[15:37:11] <ball> A Celeron 420 would be a nice step up for me, or perhaps an Atom.
[15:37:13] <cmihai> And they were something like $250 for 3 of those on e-Bay
[15:37:27] <ball> cmihai: I've wanted a Tualatin box for a long time.
[15:37:45] <cmihai> And it's faster than a lot of P4 machines too
[15:37:46] <ball> cmihai: not much point now though, unless one comes my way.
[15:38:13] <oenone> i'm getting a xeon box =)
[15:38:31] <cmihai> Got them for CARP and some greylisting/tarpitting. OpenBSD machines, no point giving it more RAM it can't use :P
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[15:39:12] <ball> cmihai: isn't there a 64-bit OpenBSD then?
[15:39:22] <cmihai> So? :-)
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[15:39:44] <cmihai> Still can't use more than 1GB per userland app due to W^X limitations and such
[15:40:27] * ball isn't familiar with W^X
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[15:40:38] <fkr> its MAXDSIZE that is the limiting factor
[15:40:48] <cmihai> MAXDSIZ 1GB memory limit for process
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[15:41:52] <monsted> i'm not saying tiny boxes can't be useful, but i wouldn't want to run a modern operating system on our RS/6000 43P's with 64 MB of memory and a 133 MHz CPU :)
[15:42:26] <xRaich[o]2x> +1
[15:42:42] <cmihai> Either way, you'll have a real hard time running some of these OSen on a modern mox
[15:42:45] <cmihai> box
[15:43:02] <monsted> and an Atom board ($60) and 2 gigs of memory ($20) gets you far :)
[15:43:03] <cmihai> Think 4-way 16GB RAM and say 4TB of storage... Net/OpenBSD can't even touch that
[15:43:49] <cmihai> Heck, Intel now sells 6 core machines
[15:44:16] * monsted heads out
[15:44:30] <Herr_cane> Everybody making all these multicore machines is making licensing "interesting" in some cases, I'm learning.  :P
[15:44:41] <ball> monsted: that's the way I'm leaning now.  It would even fit in the case I have set aside.
[15:44:59] <cmihai> And with HT that's 12 threads per socket
[15:45:03] <ball> cmihai: why can't NetBSD use that?
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[15:45:13] <cmihai> NetBSD SMP is pure shit
[15:45:34] <fkr> well
[15:45:36] <ball> cmihai: really?  I'd not heard that.
[15:45:47] <fkr> its always the proper tool for the right job
[15:46:03] <fkr> openbsd is just not meant for things like dual-quad cores with 16GB of ram
[15:46:04] <cmihai> It can't scale period. See all that giant lock business FreeBSD went through since 4.x -> 7.x was mostly for SMP performance.
[15:47:07] <ball> fkr: would OpenSolaris be a more appropriate choice on that kind of system?
[15:47:29] <cmihai> Yes, Solaris is meant to run on multi processor machines with tons of RAM
[15:47:42] <tsoome> ball man google and learn when first sun SMP system was released.
[15:47:43] <cmihai> Heck, it will perform worse on a single processor machine, but once you scale up...
[15:48:00] <ball> tsoome: Sun had SMP for years
[15:48:10] <oenone> for decades
[15:48:17] <cmihai> And they sell 256 thread and 64-way machines :-)
[15:48:19] <ball> tsoome: I know I saw SMP SPARC boxen and probably Sun/3 too.
[15:48:37] <tsoome> sun3 was cingle cpu
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[15:48:40] <tsoome> single*
[15:48:44] <cmihai> When you optimize for scalability you will lose a bit of single processor performance.
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[15:48:55] <cmihai> That's why most "community benchmarks" are fundamentally wrong.
[15:49:05] <fkr> ball: we run linux on them :)
[15:49:07] <cmihai> Look, Linux something is marginally faster running MySQL on a single CPU box!
[15:49:08] <ball> tsoome: Ah, I was thinking of the split backplane, but only one CPU board perhaps.
[15:49:22] <fkr> ball: but yes, thats why I'm checking out opensolaris :)
[15:49:45] <cmihai> Do the tests again on a 8 way box with Oracle or PostgreSQL and see a different story :-)
[15:50:07] <ball> Hmm... I know I can't afford a big multicore monster
[15:50:14] <ball> dual core is about my limit.
[15:50:24] <xRaich[o]2x> ball: works well enough
[15:50:45] <xRaich[o]2x> you still get the benefits of zfs and all that solaris goodness
[15:51:17] <ball> I need to find a way to scrape together enough money for something like an HP ML110
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[15:51:28] <ball> I love rack mount, but probably shouldn't do that at home.
[15:51:34] <ball> brb, need to put the kettle on.
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[15:53:53] <codestr0m> there's __GNUC__ what does sun libc define that's similar.. I'm not sure I want to detect __sun because of the nexenta guys glibc port
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[15:54:17] <flyingparchment> there is no special "solaris libc" define, because libc is part of solaris
[15:54:26] <tsoome> its not libc defined
[15:55:27] <jbk> someone's porting glibc to the solaris kernel?
[15:55:28] <oenone> isn't it compiler dependant?
[15:55:31] * jbk shakes his head
[15:55:52] <tsoome> oenone: it is
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[16:01:53] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: read the studio documentation - a set of macros which can be used to identify the compiler do exist
[16:02:08] <sstallion_work> flyingparchment: incorrect. see my above comment.
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[16:02:41] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: compiler.. not libc
[16:02:42] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: you will likely need to check for more than one macro if you are supporting more than one compiler
[16:02:52] <codestr0m> and I'm not using SS in this case actually
[16:03:20] <flyingparchment> sstallion_work: he didn't ask for the compiler, he asked for libc
[16:03:22] <sstallion_work> out of curiosity why do you care ?
[16:04:31] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: I normally prefer SS, but in this case there's too much gcc code to port it
[16:04:34] <ball> Back later, hopefully.
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[16:04:44] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: unless I missed your question
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[16:05:02] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: well... build with gcc then?
[16:05:41] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: yes that's what I'm doing, but the macros it defines doesn't include a __SUNLIBC__ so wasn't sure if that was done somewhere else
[16:06:03] <codestr0m> anyway. I'll just do my best and see how it works
[16:06:15] <oenone> why not check if there is no __GNULIBC__ (or similar)?
[16:08:01] <codestr0m> oenone: it's already doing that, but the else block for checking __SUNLIBC__ explicitly is what I wanted..
[16:09:08] <codestr0m> for anyone who wants to give a 2nd technical opinion http://svn.open64.net/filedetails.php?repname=Open64&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fosprey%2Fcommon%2Fcom%2Fir_bcom.cxx
[16:09:24] <codestr0m> print fl->map_addr
[16:09:24] <codestr0m> fl->map_addr = 0xfffffd7ffea00000 "<bad address 0xfea00000>"
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[16:10:29] <codestr0m>   144       memcpy (fl->map_addr + file_size, buf, size);
[16:10:29] <codestr0m> wgen42 is signal BUS (object specific hardware error) in ir_b_save_buf at line 144 in file "ir_bcom.cxx"
[16:11:00] <jbk> bus error on x86?
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[16:12:13] <codestr0m> jbk: amd64
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[16:20:15] <sstallion_work> codestr0m: your alignment is whacked out.
[16:20:34] <sstallion_work> its likely that one of the first two arguments has a bad address
[16:20:45] <sstallion_work> (or one that is not appropriately aligned for amd64)
[16:21:00] <codestr0m> sstallion_work: I'd say  fl->map_addr = 0xfffffd7ffea00000 "<bad address 0xfea00000>" is a bad address
[16:21:30] <sstallion_work> its a valid address
[16:21:41] <sstallion_work> it just may not be the particular location you are interested in ;)
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[16:56:06] <Deiu> Hello!
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[16:56:54] <Deiu> Does anyone know what the name for the header file containing  inet_ntop() is?
[16:57:14] <flyingparchment> type this: man inet_ntop
[16:57:17] <asyd> man inet_ntop
[16:57:19] <asyd> raa
[16:57:20] <asyd> :)
[16:57:42] <Deiu> asyd: thanks
[16:57:47] <flyingparchment> np
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[17:24:40] <_Lewellyn> anyone else having issues with machines reporting the wrong times?
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[17:25:38] <asyd> I had few box with almost 1mn offset by day, that's why someone create ntp by the way :)
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[17:26:18] <_Lewellyn> i've had 2 opensolaris machines (one 108, one 109), which sync to ntp, be off by a number of hours the past few days.
[17:26:49] <_Lewellyn> the 108 system was about 14 hours fast yesterday. my laptop (109) was about 90 mins fast this morning.
[17:27:05] <seanmcg> you have b109 opensolaris ?
[17:27:10] <_Lewellyn> needless to say, since i look at my laptop before a "real" clock in the morning, i was distressed
[17:27:19] <_Lewellyn> well, sxce. i suppose specificity is good here.
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[17:28:18] <Keso> _Lewellyn: I just tried to upgrade to 109 but it failed, upgrade manager told me "this is live image and can't be upgraded"
[17:28:54] <_Lewellyn> keso, pretty much follow the same procedure you'd use to upgrade an older solaris machine
[17:29:09] <_Lewellyn> liveupgrade is very well (usually) documented
[17:29:22] <mib_q9boyo> meh, just did an update todaz to the developer release and have 2 issues now
[17:29:22] <flyingparchment> upgrade manager doesn't sound like SXCE
[17:29:34] <_Lewellyn> i can't be much help since i'm using the free wifi at the train station and may poof at any second :(
[17:29:49] <mib_q9boyo> 1st: mz kezboard settings are gone....how can i change it back to german again_
[17:29:59] <_Lewellyn> mib_q9boyo: that's why there's new builds often: so they can break your settings and so you can test them ;)
[17:30:03] <_Lewellyn> but the x bugs are known
[17:30:19] <_Lewellyn> i don't have a link to alanc's blog handy, but they're all listed there. and how to fix them.
[17:30:58] <mib_q9boyo> zeah, how do i switch the kezboard lazout, though
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[17:31:14] <_Lewellyn> that's on his blog post...
[17:31:15] <Keso> _Lewellyn: but I was using standard upgrade manager
[17:31:22] <_Lewellyn> Keso: on sxce?
[17:31:29] <Keso> _Lewellyn: opensolaris
[17:31:32] <_Lewellyn> mib_q9boyo: http://blogs.sun.com/alanc/entry/xorg_1_5_3_in
[17:31:47] <_Lewellyn> Keso: i only use sxce. i have no idea what the "standard upgrade manager" is on osol.
[17:31:58] <Keso> _Lewellyn: ah ok then
[17:32:10] * _Lewellyn just uses liveupgrade
[17:32:21] <_Lewellyn> it works, unless you do something stupid... :)
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[17:32:53] <_Lewellyn> not that i have done anything stupid to break a liveupgrade, no. not even a LU to 109... ;)
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[17:34:00] <_Lewellyn> morning, tsoome
[17:34:09] <tsoome> hi:)
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[17:34:22] <tsoome> its 1835 here:P
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[17:34:32] <_Lewellyn> it's 0935 here ;)
[17:34:50] <_Lewellyn> your client is supposed to localize my time-of-day statements... ;)
[17:35:06] <_setuid_H> Afternoon all
[17:35:16] <_Lewellyn> hi _setuid_H
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[17:36:16] <mib_2itjfn> thanks _Lewellyn, keyboard layout fixed :)
[17:36:25] <_Lewellyn> mib_2itjfn: woo! :D
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[17:36:46] <_Lewellyn> thank alanc for being thorough in documenting issues :)
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[17:40:45] <holcomb> i forgot how long it takes to create an lu before zfs root
[17:40:49] <holcomb> sigh
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[17:41:14] <mib_2itjfn> ok, next issue is, after the update i didn't reboot but installed virtualbox and setup some virtualboxes...well, now after the reboot i figured its all void because of the zfs snapshoot that was made after the update
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[17:47:51] <_Lewellyn> holcomb: but lu rocks, regardless :D
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[17:48:31] <_Lewellyn> mib_2itjfn: you may have to reinstall vbox. your user data should still be there
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[17:54:06] <houst0n> Hey guys, can you set me up with an unaffiliated vhost?
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[17:54:24] <houst0n> er
[17:54:25] <houst0n> wrong window
[17:54:26] <houst0n> :P
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[17:57:43] <_Lewellyn> morning ry
[17:57:43] <_Lewellyn> 4th & king's wifi blows, fyi :P
[17:57:45] <_Lewellyn> crashed nwam-manager when i connected :D
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[17:57:55] <Snake007uk> hey guys
[17:58:01] <_Lewellyn> figured ;_
[17:58:03] <_Lewellyn> ;)
[17:58:05] <Snake007uk> how can i check which disk are in my pool already
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[17:58:28] <xRaich[o]2x> zpool status
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[17:58:50] <Snake007uk> mypool is a dynamic pool
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[17:59:05] <Snake007uk> with 2 * 1tb and I want to add 2* 750GB
[17:59:15] <Snake007uk> because its dynamic
[17:59:22] <Snake007uk> it should make it 3.5TB in total
[17:59:30] <Snake007uk> give or take a few gigs
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[18:01:09] <Snake007uk> the disk used to be in my linux machine
[18:01:25] <Snake007uk> anyway of quickly removing partitions?
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[18:02:16] <ry_laptop> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/dsk/drv count=10
[18:02:23] <ry_laptop> whre drv is the device
[18:02:25] <Snake007uk> cheers
[18:02:30] <ry_laptop> or maybe /dev/rdsk
[18:02:41] <ry_laptop> but fdisk <device> should work too
[18:02:49] <_Lewellyn> back in a half hour
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[18:19:31] <codestr0m> ok. having a senior moment.. print &size   = &size = 0xfffffd7fffdff234 , size is a Elf64_Word .. so how do I print the value of size?
[18:21:19] <jbk> with?
[18:21:35] <CosmicDJ> ksh93 ;)
[18:21:53] <codestr0m> jbk: dbx
[18:22:15] <jbk> print size doesn't work?
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[18:22:26] <jbk> it's a 64-bit integer?
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[18:22:52] <codestr0m> jbk: size = 80U
[18:23:25] <jbk> ok, so you answered your own question
[18:26:44] <codestr0m> jbk: umm. is it just me or does that not look like a base 10 number.. (looks like a struct, but that's not correct.....)
[18:27:01] <jbk> no, that means it's 80 bytes
[18:27:45] <jbk> i think the U means 'unsigned', but i'd have to check
[18:27:55] <CosmicDJ> hm... just to get this right, print &size should print the location, where size is stored
[18:28:00] <codestr0m> jbk: correct and thanks
[18:28:09] <CosmicDJ> in memory
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[18:28:24] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: the address correct
[18:30:39] <CosmicDJ> so print size should print the content of size...
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[18:34:57] <SplasPood> Hrm...  Was there a command available that will show me which NFS exports are currently mounted by whom?
[18:35:52] <seanmcg> showmount -a ?
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[18:36:25] <SplasPood> seanmcg: oh nice, never knew of that
[18:36:29] <SplasPood> seanmcg: thank you very much
[18:37:12] <seanmcg> and showmount -a $host may do it for remote hosts..
[18:42:36] <sstallion_work> jbk: Indicates unsigned
[18:43:07] <sstallion_work> codestrom: print what size? thats a 64-bit addres... its 64 bit
[18:43:33] <sstallion_work> if you want to know what the size is, you need to print size
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[18:54:00] <holcomb> liveupgrayedd
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[18:57:42] <dmarkey> anyone know where i could get a prepackaged pam_listfile for solaris?
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[19:00:43] <CIA-40> Anup Pemmaiah <Napanda.Pemmaiah at Sun dot COM>: 6756843 Clean up messages related to P and T states, 6811793 hald crashes because supported_frequencies_Hz is null
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[19:07:28] <DCEmu_user68> Come visit my forum where you can watch the newest movies online for FREE: http://movieparadise.informe.com/
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[19:09:36] <SplasPood> seanmcg: hrm, unfortunately it seems to show all mounts by clients ever since the host was booted, even not the currently active ones..   I'll have to compare it with netstat or something
[19:10:33] <seanmcg> SplasPood, yes.  Theres no real way of knowning when/if a client has stopped using a nfs mount..
[19:10:58] <[lewellyn]> some people would say that is a feature :)
[19:11:17] <holcomb> netstat
[19:11:28] <seanmcg> eg, a box here has over 26,000 entries with showmount -a :)
[19:11:49] <seanmcg> you could turn on nfs logging too..
[19:12:03] <seanmcg> I'll leave that as an excersie :) later folks.
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[19:14:22] <[lewellyn]> ok. this is gonna be fun. time to build a dos boot cd. let's see if sxce comes with gui tools ;)
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[19:46:26] <Anne80> Hi
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[19:46:54] <Anne80> i would like to ask a question about opensolaris please !
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[19:47:08] <Deiu> What's keeping you, Anne80?
[19:47:20] <[lewellyn]> we're too quiet
[19:47:29] <Anne80> i think so
[19:47:32] <Anne80> well,
[19:47:45] <Anne80> i just installed openSolaris on one of my server
[19:47:58] <Anne80> and i can not find any way to detect my 3ware controller
[19:48:16] <Anne80> 3ware 8506-12
[19:49:01] <Anne80> i was so happy to work with opensolaris and not i just find out that maybe i woudlnt be able to make this controller work with this OS.
[19:49:20] <Anne80> now, I am truely sad
[19:50:09] <cypromis> I had shitloads of problems with 3ware on debian
[19:50:20] <cypromis> so I dropped it like a hot potato
[19:50:33] <Anne80> never had a glitch on debian or ubuntu with 3ware
[19:51:09] <Deiu> Anne80: you didn't check the compatibility with your hardware? :(
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[19:51:24] <Anne80> only because i wanted to work with ZFS for raid software
[19:51:27] <CosmicDJ> there's a opensolaris hardware compat. list on bigadmin and a device detection tool on the livecd
[19:51:28] <Anne80> no
[19:51:37] <Anne80> i though it would be compatible
[19:51:49] <bda> Why did you think that?
[19:51:55] <Deiu> Anne80: you could install opensolaris inside VirtualBox ;)
[19:52:07] <Anne80> 3ware is mustly everywhere
[19:52:16] <Deiu> That's what I do to test portability for my software.
[19:52:20] <Anne80> oh
[19:52:30] <Anne80> opensolaris inside a vmware clustering
[19:52:30] <bda> No, not really. It's unlikely your card will be supported.
[19:53:07] <Anne80> i wanted opensolaris to handle the 24 hard drives with ZFS
[19:53:35] <Deiu> Any chance you can change the controller?
[19:54:03] <Anne80> i tough that zfs was better then mdadm
[19:54:10] <Anne80> no
[19:54:15] <bda> It is. By far.
[19:54:16] <bda> md sucks.
[19:54:29] <bda> But that doesn't change the fact that your card is not supported.
[19:54:35] <bda> It has nothing to do with ZFS.
[19:54:36] <Anne80> I guess
[19:54:46] <bda> Your card has nothing to do with md for that, matter.
[19:54:50] <bda> You are confusing problem domains.
[19:55:05] <Anne80> well, i have a Areca 1280x-24 but
[19:55:20] <Anne80> the motherboard im using right now doent support pci-e
[19:55:26] <Anne80> it only has pci-x
[19:55:40] <Anne80> that why i used 2 3ware 8506-12
[19:56:33] <Anne80> i was going to use ubuntu + mdadm but i have decided to go with opensolaris and now i just find out that i can not use my 3ware controller with this os because of lack of drivers available
[19:56:35] <Stric> there is some 3ware opensolaris support, but not 8506.. but 9650/9690 according to 3ware
[19:56:51] <Anne80> well, i know and they are pci-e
[19:56:57] <[lewellyn]> Anne80: bug 3ware to write a solaris driver
[19:57:24] <Anne80> i will send a email for sure to those guys
[19:57:26] <Deiu> Basically, you can write the "driver" yourself.
[19:57:37] <Anne80> im not realy into that stuff
[19:58:02] <bda> RMA the 3ware controller and get an LSI controller.
[19:58:06] <bda> Check that it's supported before purchasing it.
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[19:58:25] <Anne80> hehe they are so cheap i dont need to RMA them
[19:58:37] <bda> Then I'm not sure why you're complaining.
[19:58:48] <Anne80> im not complaining
[19:58:49] <CIA-40> Santwona Behera <Santwona.Behera at Sun dot COM>: 6800049 can't set class-opt-****-*** parameters via nxge.conf, 6800793 rxdma-intr-time and rxdma-intr-pkts should be on a per interface basis in nxge
[19:58:50] * bda goes back to fighting Apache.
[19:58:57] <Anne80> just asking if there is any way to make them work with opensolaris
[19:59:52] <Stric> not easily, no
[20:00:01] <Anne80> or it might be a dumb question can i use zfs under ubuntu ?
[20:00:08] <Anne80> in any way
[20:00:17] <Herr_cane> I think there was talk about a FUSE project for it.
[20:00:22] <Herr_cane> BUt I've never looked for information about it.
[20:00:23] <turtle> yeah have fun with that
[20:00:23] <bda> Not stable.
[20:00:27] <bda> At all.
[20:00:33] <Herr_cane> Not surprising.  :)
[20:00:38] <bda> If you want to use your 3wares with ZFS, look at FreeBSD.
[20:00:54] <bda> At least there it's integrated.
[20:01:08] <bda> Although I have seen several people move from FreeBSD to OpenSolaris because ZFS on FBSD was causing them headaches.
[20:01:13] <bda> (anecdotal)
[20:01:28] <Anne80> what kind of problems ?
[20:01:33] <holcomb> get a new card.
[20:02:12] <Anne80> i can not offert a new card right now , i have to use what i have
[20:02:12] <bda> Panics mostly.
[20:02:28] <holcomb> it's totally worth it in the long run
[20:02:28] <bda> This was several months ago. No idea how it is now.
[20:02:37] <Anne80> areca sells theirs for 1200US
[20:02:44] <holcomb> are these sata disks?
[20:02:51] <Anne80> yes
[20:02:53] <holcomb> the supermicro mv8 is nice and $100
[20:02:57] <Anne80> 24
[20:03:09] <bda> You can get LSI cards for $500 or so, from Sun. Non-RAID (not that you need RAID).
[20:03:14] <holcomb> =8*3 so $300 :)
[20:03:37] <Anne80> i dont need raid hardware
[20:03:44] <Anne80> i was counting on zfs for the job
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[20:06:22] <Anne80> is there any other raid software that i could use to strippe the hard drive togheter
[20:06:22] <Operator> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_shanghai_opensolaris&num=1 <= opensolaris very slow compared on linux , its really disapointed me....
[20:06:37] <Operator> benchmarks show opensolaris needs more time...
[20:06:58] <Anne80> what about mdadm could it be an alternative ?
[20:06:59] <Operator> ubuntu taking the area
[20:07:16] <Operator> Anne80 ,sry i donno
[20:07:18] <Anne80> i very like ubuntu
[20:07:40] <trochej> Weird, how everyone looks at the speed tests and forget stability
[20:07:56] <trochej> Of course, the latter is more difficult and costly to benchmark
[20:07:58] <Anne80> well, thanks guys for your helps i realy appriciated it
[20:08:07] <holcomb> these tests are also highly unscientific
[20:08:07] <[lewellyn]> trochej: and they don't compare apples and apples, so i don't bother even reading the links
[20:08:11] <holcomb> different version of gcc etc
[20:09:10] <codestr0m> Operator: all arguments aside.. do you understand that benchmark.. as in it's really just marketing bs and that in contrast opensolaris holds the current world record in some spec benchmarks..
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[20:09:44] <codestr0m> check spec.org for real benchmarks. of course those can be tweaked and tuned as well, but this is where the adults play..
[20:09:46] <Operator> world record on what ?
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[20:10:35] <Deiu> ubuntu's target is desktop users more than development or sever area.
[20:10:36] <codestr0m> Operator: check spec.org it was SPEC2006 int something.. there was 3 iirc.. seanmcg may also be able to comment
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[20:12:18] <Operator> but opensolaris is targetting desktop too !
[20:12:32] <Operator> its not serverside afaik
[20:12:37] <codestr0m> Operator: it has a desktop.. it's clean.. it doesn't mean that has to be the target
[20:12:40] <comay> Operator, some of the performance difference you're seeing is that the ubuntu tests were compiled with gcc 4.x while on opensolaris, gcc 3.x
[20:12:45] <Operator> Solaris and OpenSolaris different
[20:13:09] <comay> we're working on getting gcc 4.x into the repository so you can have a more apples-to-apples comparison
[20:13:20] <Operator> is there any OpenSolaris benchmark ? I've entered the website u ve given but no way
[20:13:29] <Anne80> stabilities over write performance
[20:13:48] <[lewellyn]> Operator: as i said in another channel, <[lewellyn]> 1) opensolaris is not yet released. 2) opensolaris probably starts more services at boot. 3) opensolaris "does more".
[20:13:54] <Operator> well but gui is so important for end users too and performance.
[20:14:07] <Operator> is not released ?
[20:14:35] <[lewellyn]> until it's released as a mainstream Solaris release, i'd say not ;)
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[20:16:14] <comay> Operator, what do you mean is there any OpenSolaris benchmarks?
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[20:17:29] <comay> [lewellyn] OpenSolaris has been released as a supported product so performance comparison are fair-game; one just needs to be comparing apples-to-apples
[20:17:37] <[lewellyn]> Operator: for the sake of benchmarking, consider the current state of OpenSolaris to be equivalent to a RedHat "Rawhide" release. you wouldn't use the latter for serious numbers either.
[20:17:57] <[lewellyn]> comay: then i need to lodge a lot of performance bugs vs solaris 10 ;)
[20:18:17] <[lewellyn]> my 25 second boot is more like 2 minutes now. :(
[20:19:57] <[lewellyn]> and there's not more "stuff" starting up to affect startup times, afaict. and less hardware is detected.
[20:20:13] <Deiu> [lewellyn]: That's only relevant if you reboot often.
[20:20:17] <[lewellyn]> (using sxce as my opensolaris distro, not OpenSolaris)
[20:20:27] <Deiu> Besides, how often do you need to reboot these days? :)
[20:20:30] <[lewellyn]> Deiu: well, since 107 and newer break S3 suspend... i reboot often.
[20:20:34] <oninoshik1> [lewellyn]: "stuff" does not refer to hardware detected. it's services started
[20:20:43] <[lewellyn]> oninoshik1: it's both.
[20:20:51] <[lewellyn]> initializing hardware isn't necessarily instant ;)
[20:21:35] <CosmicDJ> hm, how do you call it when code compiles with gcc only?
[20:21:51] <flyingparchment> CosmicDJ: depends if it's on purpose or by accident
[20:22:19] <CosmicDJ> I'd say it's because "lack of other compilers"
[20:22:24] <[lewellyn]> CosmicDJ: a gnusim :P
[20:22:28] <oninoshik1> CosmicDJ: i call it defeating the point of C.
[20:22:30] <flyingparchment> CosmicDJ: that's one possible explanation of many
[20:22:42] <CosmicDJ> gnuism sounds good
[20:22:49] <flyingparchment> CosmicDJ: people get all het up over this for some reason... sometimes it's a bug, but there's plenty of code that doesn't need to be compiled with every compile that ever existed
[20:22:55] <comay> [lewellyn] by all means, please file the bugs :)
[20:23:00] <[lewellyn]> i really ought to revert back from 109. so many things are broken.
[20:23:28] <[lewellyn]> i've just verified that it's not media keeping brasero from burning discs, like i blamed saturday and sunday.
[20:24:03] <[lewellyn]> "CD/DVD Creator" also can't burn. wtf.
[20:24:40] <cmihai> Use cdrw...
[20:25:11] <[lewellyn]> cmihai: the apps worked in 108
[20:25:43] <oninoshik1> cdrecord is what i normally use
[20:26:34] <cmihai> cdrw -i bla.iso
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[20:27:12] <[lewellyn]> cmihai: that doesn't make the gui apps not working in 109 "correct", regardless.
[20:27:36] <cmihai> No, but it lets you test if it's just the GUI apps that fail
[20:27:39] <eviljames> But it would tell you if the burner works
[20:27:49] <[lewellyn]> cmihai: i could have told you that it was on saturday ;)
[20:27:51] <eviljames> alternatively, what cmihai said :)
[20:28:06] <[lewellyn]> i never said i couldn't burn discs. just that the gui apps no longer work.
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[20:28:09] <sayaka> hello
[20:28:13] <cmihai> Well, maybe it broke on say monday :-).
[20:28:21] <[lewellyn]> cmihai: it broke with 109.
[20:28:38] <[lewellyn]> cmihai: i was playing in my 106 and 108 BEs last night. burning discs worked in both of those.
[20:29:01] <cmihai> So figure out what backend this stuff uses (probably cdrecord or growisofs) and see if that works.
[20:29:13] <sayaka> i installed opensolaris on a dell latitude laptop but the image appears broken in half on the screen...is there a way to tweek the screen configuration?
[20:29:13] <cmihai> Or some of their libs.
[20:29:15] <[lewellyn]> that's more than i have time for atm
[20:29:36] <[lewellyn]> and i just keep finding brokenness in 109 :(
[20:29:41] <cmihai> sayaka: edit your XOrg config
[20:29:48] <[lewellyn]> i hope to find the time to file bugs on them all tomorrow.
[20:30:11] <sayaka> is it on /etc/xorg.config ?
[20:30:24] <cmihai>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf probably
[20:30:27] <cmihai> If it gets created
[20:30:46] <cmihai> If not, XOrg -configure, edit root's ~/xorg.conf.new, put it there yourself.
[20:30:48] <sayaka> ok
[20:31:00] <cmihai> XOrg just uses automagic detection now... sometimes it fails and you need to edit the thing.
[20:31:11] <cmihai> Got an NVIDIA card though?
[20:31:32] <sayaka> nope
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[20:31:46] <sayaka> it is a laptop manufactured in 2004
[20:31:47] <cmihai> That's /usr/X11/bin/Xorg -configure, sorry :-)
[20:31:53] <sayaka> ok
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[20:34:44] <[lewellyn]> hm. that's why my host key doesn't work in vbox anymore. interesting. the "windows application menu" key appears to no longer have a mapping.
[20:34:54] <[lewellyn]> anyhow. time to head to the colo. see you all later.
[20:34:59] <axisys> i created a array on x4150's adaptec raid controller .. but OS format shows it like jbod http://pastebin.com/d7de5bc53
[20:35:03] <axisys> anyidea why ?
[20:35:52] <axisys> i was expecting it to show like this http://pastebin.com/d2174b3d4
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[20:43:08] <CosmicDJ> axisys: what does raidctl show?
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[20:44:45] <flyingparchment> axisys: how do you figure that a single LUN looks like a JBOD?
[20:45:38] <flyingparchment> CosmicDJ: if he's using the STK RAID card, raidctl won't work
[20:45:52] <CosmicDJ> he said smth about x4150..
[20:46:10] <flyingparchment> you can get the stk card for those, i believe
[20:46:25] <CosmicDJ> he said smth about adaptec raid card :p
[20:46:32] <flyingparchment> then raidctl won't work
[20:46:43] <flyingparchment> it's for lsi mpt, not the adapter/intel/sun stk card
[20:47:24] <CosmicDJ> "The raidctl utility is a hardware  RAID  configuration  tool that  supports different RAID controllers [...]", so different is "mpt"?
[20:47:56] <CosmicDJ> ah damn, next page says only mpt is supported
[20:47:58] <CosmicDJ> never mind
[20:48:10] <axisys> sorry I was away.. let me answer them
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[20:48:41] <axisys> i have two x4150 .. one in production and showing  like this
[20:48:42] <axisys> c0t2d0 <Sun-STK RAID INT-V1.0-68.25GB>
[20:48:43] <flyingparchment> for the stk card you want arcconf, it's on the drivers cd
[20:49:08] <axisys> and a second one I am playing with now and created a raid using the adaptect raid controller and showing in OS like this
[20:49:14] <axisys> c0t2d0 <DEFAULT cyl 8907 alt 2 hd 255 sec 63>
[20:49:29] <axisys> flyingparchment: oh ok.. so that was it
[20:49:35] <flyingparchment> ?
[20:49:43] <axisys> flyingparchment: arcconf
[20:49:52] <flyingparchment> arcconf is the utility to manage the stk cards from solaris
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[20:51:23] <axisys> flyingparchment: I have to look for the driver cd.. is there one avaialbale online?
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[20:51:36] <axisys> i do have a sun contract account
[20:51:45] <flyingparchment> same place as always... the support page for the server
[20:52:45] <axisys> flyingparchment: i am looking for it here http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_private/validateUser.do?target=Systems/SunFireX4150/SunFireX4150
[20:53:03] <axisys> flyingparchment: is that where the drive is?
[20:53:24] <flyingparchment> http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4150/support.xml
[20:54:15] <axisys> flyingparchment: thanks a loy
[20:54:18] <axisys> lot*
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[21:02:43] <axisys> flyingparchment: so i am still using raid controller but w/o the arcconf driver it will show as jbod (no display of raid controller)
[21:04:12] <flyingparchment> i don't understand what "show as jbod" means
[21:04:17] <flyingparchment> and arcconf isn't a driver
[21:04:26] <flyingparchment> it's a utility to manage the card from the OS instead of the bios
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[21:05:23] <flyingparchment> how much does xvm ops center cost?
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[21:05:42] <jkimball4> these volume controls seem logarithmic
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[21:07:01] <saohh> hi all together ;) Since i now know, my "on board" ICH9 isnt a real raid controller, i want to build a software raid, ive got 2 sata2 harddisks, is this possible with open solaris 2008.11 ?
[21:09:56] <sstallion_work> saohh: no need - look into zfs
[21:10:15] <sstallion_work> (you can create a mirrored root zpool)
[21:11:02] <chowmeined> saohh, yup, zfs is awesome
[21:11:37] <flyingparchment> it is, but that's been possible for years with svm/sds... zfs hardly invented mirroring ;)
[21:11:59] <chowmeined> flyingparchment, its about the checksums
[21:12:10] <oninoshik1> flyingparchment: true, but it is an improvement.
[21:12:49] <chowmeined> hm
[21:12:58] <chowmeined> is scrubbing the zpools every day too much?
[21:13:17] <flyingparchment> impossible to answer without more details
[21:13:41] <chowmeined> will it like, wear out my hard drives fast or something
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[21:15:47] <saohh> isnt zfs "only" a filesystem open solaris uses? sry if i am confusing you guys, but at debian lenny i hat do do partitioning mean raid, lvm and crypt plus filesystem for e.g. xfs ;)
[21:16:09] <chowmeined> saohh, zfs integrates raid, volume management and filesystem
[21:16:42] <oninoshik1> zfs/zpools handle both filesystem and volume management functions
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[21:18:02] <oninoshik1> so if you wanted a mirror you would "zpool create somepool mirror c0t0d0 c0t1d0"
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[21:18:33] <oninoshik1> then you would have /somepool show up, and it would be a mirror across the two drives
[21:18:33] <saohh> awesome the filesystem does this? lol at myself cause i always searched a way at the live cd to do anything else with my harddisk than "not used" "unknown" or "Solaris" there was no raid, thats the reason -.- interesting filesystem i heard about it, because of performance and it should be very secure, because of "seeing upcoming failures on disks" crazy fs it seems oO
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[21:19:07] <saohh> so i only choose "a disk" at installation and after first bootup i can manage it with this zfs tools to get raid?
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[21:19:25] <e^ipi> yes
[21:19:26] <chowmeined> saohh, i think in the installer if you choose both disks it sets up a mirror
[21:19:32] <e^ipi> you can only mirror your root pool though currently
[21:19:35] <oninoshik1> yes, you can add a disk for mirroring perposes to it
[21:19:40] <saohh> sry but this looks too easy to be true -.- where is the hook?
[21:19:44] <chowmeined> saohh, the filesystem has checksums, if it detects an invalid checksum it uses the other drive in the mirror and automatically repairs
[21:20:01] <axisys> flyingparchment: why does one x4150 shows a disk as  c0t2d0 <Sun-STK RAID INT-V1.0-68.25GB>
[21:20:12] <oninoshik1> easy is the point. we like easy.
[21:20:14] <e^ipi> saohh: no hook
[21:20:17] <homeboy> i had to mirror my rpool with this guide, is there any other way? http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html
[21:20:20] <axisys> and another as c0t2d0 <DEFAULT cyl 8907 alt 2 hd 255 sec 63>
[21:20:26] <chowmeined> saohh, zfs only works with solaris
[21:20:30] <chowmeined> saohh, thats the hook
[21:20:42] <e^ipi> chowmeined: and freebsd, and osx
[21:20:44] <oninoshik1> chowmeined: not true! one of the BSDs has support
[21:20:50] <flyingparchment> and linux
[21:20:59] <chowmeined> i dont trust the freebsd or osx versions
[21:21:06] <chowmeined> or the fuse one
[21:21:16] <saohh> for softraid? you mean?
[21:21:18] <oninoshik1> linux via fuse... if you call that "support" i have some beachfront property in montana to sell you...
[21:21:39] <saohh> another problem i have with indiana, why isnt my network configuration running?
[21:21:45] <flyingparchment> oninoshik1: it means you're not tied to solaris to access your data
[21:22:06] <chowmeined> flyingparchment, im not worried, thats why solaris has awesome nfs and cifs support
[21:22:12] <oninoshik1> flyingparchment: i wouldnt be anyway... i have BSD and OSX
[21:22:50] <saohh> i choose manual, everything is fine, my ip i enter is correct, router is set, it seems, like he is missing the dns server (which is the routers ip again), after configuring it at the network config (in the menu) he seems to crash the network
[21:23:11] <chowmeined> i blame C
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[21:24:19] <turtle> i'm using the osx zfs on my laptop and desktop and freebsd's at work on about 6 machines. they're both old and missing lots of the goodies you get with OS but they do work.
[21:25:00] <axisys> rephrasing my question
[21:25:14] <axisys> why the format output looks different here http://pastebin.com/d1b841315
[21:25:31] <oninoshik1> good to hear, turtle... wonder if the stalmanites will take notice and stop saying SMI it trying to keep it only for Solaris
[21:26:21] <Stric> axisys: EFI vs SMI  I think
[21:27:17] <turtle> stalmanites? is that a fancy new age name for fsf wankers? who cares what they say anyway.
[21:27:25] <axisys> Stric: they both are x4150
[21:27:42] <Stric> axisys: .. disk labels
[21:28:16] <oninoshik1> stallmanite, n. one who follows Stallman (so, yes "FSF wankers")
[21:29:10] <axisys> Stric: just labeled the disk c0t2d0 <DEFAULT cyl 8907 alt 2 hd 255 sec 63> .. still showing same
[21:29:20] <turtle> they're going to win with btrfs anyway, just ask them..any day now..
[21:29:44] <eviljames> *cough*vaporware*cough
[21:29:52] <Stric> axisys: labeled to what? check if one is EFI and one SMI..
[21:30:29] <oninoshik1> I'm just sick of listening to them cry like little school-girls (no offence to the little school-girls out there, we all know you don't cry that much) every time someone has something they don't.
[21:30:33] <axisys> Stric: i dont think i know how to check that
[21:31:06] <axisys> Stric: u did it!
[21:31:23] <axisys> Stric: the STK one was part of zpool..
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[21:31:45] <axisys> Stric: as soon as I did the same for the other disk.. it shows the STK as well
[21:31:46] <turtle> ironically they're the only ones standing in their way
[21:31:48] <trichobezoar> Why not keep ZFS for CDDL only...  it's good enough for everybody but linux.  sounds like they have the problem....
[21:31:57] <e^ipi> eviljames: no way man, it's totally coming...
[21:32:02] <e^ipi> and it'll be awesome, just like systemtap
[21:32:26] <eviljames> e^ipi: Oracle is supposed to be behind btrfs, last I heard
[21:32:51] <trichobezoar> It's a good thing if someone creates a competing product.  Will force Sun to keep on its toes
[21:32:57] <eviljames> Then again, I read about it, thought 'Well, maybe a decade from now they'll catch up' and starting somewhat ignoring any further updates
[21:33:00] <jbk> and have you ever used any of oracle's non-database products? :)
[21:33:06] <jbk> that doesn't inspire confidence :)
[21:33:40] <e^ipi> heh
[21:34:03] <jbk> if crs is any guide, looking at btrfs cross-eyes will cause your computer to explode :)
[21:34:06] * oninoshik1 looks up btrfs... "so it's zfs with out all that pesky data-reliablity stuff?"
[21:34:06] <jbk> err cross-eyed
[21:34:22] <eviljames> oninoshik1: But with a bunch of other "features" of little value!
[21:34:40] <trichobezoar> it need accomplish only one thing.  satiation
[21:35:04] <oninoshik1> eviljames: the "planned features" list looks hella lot like a ZFS marketing brochure...
[21:35:41] <oninoshik1> except for not mentioning data reliability...
[21:35:42] <jbk> as i said before, hopefully they don't follow in the footsteps of the systemtap crowd and just start doing a search/replace on zfs materials and try to pass them off as their own :)
[21:35:54] <eviljames> oninoshik1: That's because btrfs is a reaction to ZFS.
[21:36:14] <oninoshik1> eviljames: except missing the biggest point?
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[21:36:56] <Doc> date reliability is overrated
[21:37:01] * oninoshik1 would be rolling on the floor, execpt i dont have those sholder muscles completely healed yet
[21:37:13] <Doc> i haven't had a single parity error on my system since I swapped to non-parity memory!!!
[21:37:21] <e^ipi> heh
[21:37:29] <stoxx> :)
[21:37:44] <jbk> that seems to be a lot of people's mentality to it
[21:37:53] <axisys> x4150 has raid cache / disk read cache / disk write cache w/ and w/o battery/ + sol 10 zfs cache // wonder which cache to keep and which to disable .. soooo many tests to run with filebench.. anyone has a rule of thumb ?
[21:37:59] <jbk> 'well i haven't had any silent data corruption, therefore this is an overblown issue'
[21:38:13] <axisys> i know raid cache and zfs cache works against each other.. so i will disable raid cache
[21:38:55] <eviljames> jbk: heh, that would be the best argument ever.
[21:39:03] <axisys> may be use a zil on a seprate disk with raid 5 off of 5 disk ? or no separate zil disk and stripe of 3 mirror pairs ?
[21:39:11] <eviljames> jbk: Except iirc, CERN did a study and found 3 silent write errors / month on their systems or something along those lines?
[21:39:25] <axisys> size is not an issue
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[21:40:20] <__ms> btw I really like amazon's answer to silent data corruption: just retrieve the file from another data center (and I tend to agree btw)
[21:40:32] <jbk> 'obviously they are doing something wrong I know better'
[21:40:52] <__ms> obviously zfs can't do this (now?), but the linux guys work on making this happen with brtfs and a cluster fs on top of it.
[21:41:12] <Doc> umm.. if it's silent data corruption, how do you know to get it from elsewhere?
[21:41:23] <eviljames> Doc: precisely the issue.
[21:41:33] <__ms> Doc: you got my joke then :-)
[21:42:08] * oninoshik1 blames solar-flares
[21:42:25] * eviljames blames LHC
[21:42:32] <tsoome1> nah if they would really worry about data corruption, the linux would have been dead long time agi....
[21:42:32] * __ms blames m$
[21:42:41] <oninoshik1> damn black holes
[21:42:43] <tsoome1> ago*
[21:43:01] <oninoshik1> data corruption, tsoome1 ;p
[21:43:30] <eryc> anyone have a setrpath.c for 64bit elf?
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[21:46:23] <trichobezoar> is it just me or is there no integration of cups with opensolaris...
[21:46:53] <bubbva> trichobezoar: I'm pretty sure it's cups that we use to print from at home
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[21:49:11] <eryc> ah nevermind i was able to patch patchelf and it works
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[21:51:08] <e^ipi> __ms: "grab it from another data center" is the same as mirroring
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[21:51:27] <__ms> __ms: you mean local mirroring?
[21:51:31] <e^ipi> with zfs you can grab it from the other mirror automatically
[21:51:40] <e^ipi> based on checksum mismatch
[21:51:53] <__ms> e^ipi: it's not quite the same if your machine crashed.
[21:52:20] <e^ipi> a clustered version of ZFS ( which evidently lustre is looking at ) would
[21:53:04] <__ms> e^ipi: from what I know about lustre, will they have to fix other things before the "amazon-way" of dealing with files will work
[21:53:14] <__ms> beneath the zfs integration staff
[21:53:25] <e^ipi> who cares about the amazon-y way of doing things
[21:53:30] <e^ipi> aside from amazon
[21:53:59] <e^ipi> you brought up the example of a mirror across the country
[21:54:17] <__ms> i know a lot of people who care, sorry
[21:54:39] <e^ipi> were zfs a clustered FS, nothing about it would prevent that, and zfs would do it more elegantly
[21:55:19] <__ms> right. so you agree: there is usefulness in having a geo-distributed fs?
[21:55:22] <jbk> and if that's on the file level, how well would that work for say a database?
[21:55:43] <jbk> it would imply you have to read the entire file & checksum before you can know if you need to go to your backup copy
[21:55:59] <jbk> plus provisions for correctly mirroring that on separate machines, etc.
[21:56:07] <__ms> no, there are other methods possible (and already existing) btw
[21:56:54] <e^ipi> __ms: no, you can do it now with ZFS if all you're concerned about is mirroring
[21:57:04] <trichobezoar> doesnt zfs checksum per block?  so you wouldnt have to read a file
[21:57:14] <jbk> i mean the amazon method
[21:57:27] <jbk> zfs checksum is per block
[21:57:55] <e^ipi> some tunnel... iscsi LUN thing zpool create foo mirror <devnode for machine 1's copy> <devnode fro machine2's copy>
[21:58:25] <e^ipi> if the "host" machine explodes you can zpool import somewhere else *shrug*
[21:58:50] <trichobezoar> heh... . we tried to do that...  live/standby zfs on a san for nfs
[21:58:57] <CIA-40> Rich Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 6805008 cdm.py needs updates to work with hg 1.1
[21:58:59] <CIA-40> Rich Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>: 6811454 cdm pbchk crashes if a file list is specified.
[21:59:00] <e^ipi> trichobezoar: did it work?
[21:59:03] <trichobezoar> no
[21:59:16] * bubbva is away: away!
[21:59:21] <oninoshik1> hrm... what failed?
[21:59:26] <trichobezoar> what would happen is that if hostA went down, and hostB was brought up, if A came back while B was up, total breakage would happen
[21:59:45] <trichobezoar> removing the zpool cache didnt help
[21:59:45] <bda> Yeah, you can't autofailover that setup, really, without some heady magic.
[22:00:07] <bda> Be happy you didn't force import on both hosts.
[22:00:10] <bda> om nom nom.
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[22:00:14] <e^ipi> there are distributed mutual exclusion algorithms
[22:00:19] <trichobezoar> we did.. and tested it first
[22:00:22] <oninoshik1> trichobezoar: that is a well know issue with alot of auto-failover configs
[22:00:48] <trichobezoar> so we went with redhat with rhcs
[22:01:17] <e^ipi> isn't there an openhacluster module for ZFS ?
[22:01:18] <syd`> btw, it would be relatively simple to make volume manager part of zfs cluster aware (which is not clustered). Something like LVM exclusive mode for VG activation
[22:01:26] <e^ipi> or suncluster
[22:01:38] <trichobezoar> it wouldnt run on the dells we had for some reason
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[22:05:41] <tsoome1> you can use fileover zfs in SC
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[22:08:32] <e^ipi> evidently
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[22:11:32] * trichobezoar imagines that's a viable solution when the hardware works
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[22:17:01] <oninoshik1> can you disable checksum offloading on intel pro/1000s (and if so, how?)
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[22:26:50] <tsoome1> use the source, luke
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[22:27:38] <tsoome1> why the hell are you asking for opensource os, if you wont read it....
[22:29:02] <CosmicDJ> read what? the source?
[22:29:50] <sickness> maybe searching that info on opensolaris.org would be faster than in the source which is like searching it in the universe :)
[22:31:24] <CosmicDJ> and on pair with the universe, when you find smth != you'll understand it ;)
[22:32:25] <sickness> eheh
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[22:45:38] <Deiu> Quick question: What laptop would you recommend for opensolaris? (Manufacturer, model, specs, etc)
[22:45:47] <Deiu> It's an open question :)
[22:46:12] <e^ipi> toshiba sells laptops with opensolaris preinstalled IIRC
[22:46:14] <e^ipi> so... one of those
[22:46:21] <_Lewellyn> they do, already? sweet
[22:46:33] <_Lewellyn> Deiu: i really like my toshiba satellite A135 under solaris.
[22:46:50] <_Lewellyn> opensolaris is even better, or will be :)
[22:47:02] <Deiu> I'm not really into Toshiba. Had 2 already and hated both.
[22:47:17] <Deiu> Is anyone using a Lenovo laptop?
[22:47:19] <_Lewellyn> well, for supported hardware, this machine rocks
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[22:48:14] <Deiu> I had a ThinkPad T51 which I loved. Sturdy, reliable...
[22:49:01] <pjfloyd> MacBook Pro with Parallels ;-)
[22:49:20] <CosmicDJ> hehe
[22:49:52] <Deiu> pjfloyd: I currently have a macbook with parallels on it :)
[22:50:14] <Deiu> But I'm starting to dislike Apple and it's about time for an upgrade
[22:51:09] <pjfloyd> I don't use Parallels much, to be honest
[22:51:23] <e^ipi> fusion is better
[22:52:06] <CosmicDJ> VBox also runs on OSX...
[22:52:09] <_Lewellyn> Deiu: seriously, in a couple more builds (i think i was told 113), the only thing left to support on this model will be the "media keys" and S4 hibernation (true for all laptops)
[22:52:18] <Deiu> I've installed VirtualBox on my linux desktop and so far I like it
[22:52:34] <e^ipi> ISTR media keys are in some form of progress
[22:52:44] <_Lewellyn> in my book, that makes this laptop VERY well supported by opensolaris
[22:52:48] <pjfloyd> I usually use a real machine and display on the mac
[22:52:49] <e^ipi> i don't remember if it was an ARC case or putback but there you go
[22:52:52] <Deiu> _Lewellyn: suspend to ram is a must for any laptop user ;)
[22:52:53] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: yes, but nothing worth righting home about yet
[22:53:01] <_Lewellyn> Deiu: that's S3.
[22:53:07] <e^ipi> Deiu: S2R is already supported
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[22:53:11] <e^ipi> so, merry christmas
[22:53:12] <_Lewellyn> supported on this machine (at least on 106)
[22:53:15] <Deiu> Oh?
[22:53:32] <Deiu> S4 is to hdd then?
[22:53:34] <_Lewellyn> it's hit-or-miss on opensolaris if you can do S3 though, still
[22:53:35] <_Lewellyn> yes
[22:53:37] * Deiu is confused.
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[22:53:45] <_Lewellyn> that's the thing i am waiting on
[22:53:57] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: yes, not all drivers support it
[22:54:11] <Deiu> _Lewellyn: yes, I've read that not all configs support S3
[22:54:26] <tsoome1> who asked about checksum.... there is an parameter, tx_hcksum_enable
[22:54:42] <_Lewellyn> Deiu: (except for the new intel driver breakage, due to be fixed "real soon now") this machine fully supports S3
[22:54:48] <CosmicDJ> luke read the source...
[22:55:14] <tsoome1> took about 3 min to open browser and read from http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/io/e1000g/e1000g_main.c
[22:55:18] <_Lewellyn> anyhow. i have machines needing attention
[22:55:23] * _Lewellyn closes laptop
[22:56:59] <seanmcg> tsoome1, you missed dohwcksum variable.  Can be set in /etc/system like: set ip:dohwcksum=0 to disable hw checksums
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[22:57:14] <tsoome1> never looked for it;)
[22:57:21] <seanmcg> heh
[22:57:27] <tsoome1> just got to first hit;)
[22:58:41] <tsoome1> i dont have prompt ready, can you set it with ndd as well?
[22:58:44] <_Lewellyn> (btw, if anyone is near spear and folsom in san francisco and wants to meet up for coffee or something, i may have an hour or so to wait for a raid array to rebuild...)
[22:58:47] <eryc> will be nice when /etc/system is finally deprecated
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[22:59:09] <_Lewellyn> eryc: don't tell that to wizened oracle dbas!
[22:59:19] <tsoome1> nah linuxboys will be desperate then
[22:59:27] <sickness> _Lewellyn: lol, unfortunately I'm in italy :/
[22:59:49] <_Lewellyn> sickness: not unfortunate. you apparently get better coffee ;)
[23:00:04] <tsoome1> lol
[23:00:20] <tsoome1> you can get bad coffee from anywhere, i bet
[23:00:23] <sickness> eheh, well yeah supposedly, I've never tasted san francisco's coffee anyway so I can't judge :)
[23:00:40] <sickness> tsoome1: sure
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[23:01:28] <_Lewellyn> dude. x86 servers scare me... this bios has like 8 different "Compliance Mode" toggles... and some have more than "On/Off" values... :(
[23:01:48] <tsoome1> hehe
[23:01:49] <sickness> _Lewellyn: if unsure, just leave the defaults ;)
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[23:02:08] <_Lewellyn> sickness: the idea that it's required is scary
[23:02:29] <sickness> ouch
[23:03:04] <_Lewellyn> re-configging this machine from windows to linux :P
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[23:03:11] <seanmcg> tsoome1, not from ndd (from my cmd line anyways)..
[23:03:22] <tsoome1> ok
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[23:03:53] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: i'm not entirely sure I buy the "euro = better" argument
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[23:04:21] <e^ipi> europeans seem hamstrung by tradition in the same way that north americans are hamstrung by price
[23:04:25] <e^ipi> quality suffers either way
[23:04:34] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i can't imagine that they have worse than what average is here...
[23:04:37] <ry_laptop> euro sucks
[23:04:39] <_Lewellyn> well, much worse
[23:04:44] <ry_laptop> "the uero"
[23:04:44] <e^ipi> probably not worse
[23:04:46] <ry_laptop> uero
[23:04:50] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: where do you like your coffee from, then?
[23:04:51] <ry_laptop> euro
[23:04:57] <ry_laptop> coffee from?
[23:05:07] <ry_laptop> oh I thought you ment currency.
[23:05:32] <e^ipi> but last year's WBC champion was from new zealand IIRC
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[23:05:43] <_Lewellyn> go kiwis!
[23:05:51] <e^ipi> and i don't recall the italians doing very well
[23:05:52] <e^ipi> ever
[23:06:16] <seanmcg> corkcoffee.com for the likes of morning growler and 'rebel city expresso'
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[23:06:25] <ry_laptop> God,please provide a way to lock windows mobile phone with the power button, and when a text message comes in, don't have it dail from my pocket.
[23:06:27] <e^ipi> ahh, no, stephen morrissey
[23:06:32] <e^ipi> an irish guy
[23:06:42] <e^ipi> still... not italian
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[23:07:39] <seanmcg> e^ipi, that name is rather close to the more famous morrissey (stephen patrick )
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[23:08:05] <e^ipi> seanmcg: both were irish
[23:08:32] <seanmcg> well one is english really, born in manchester
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[23:08:41] <e^ipi> well, by heritage anyways
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[23:09:12] <e^ipi> Morrissey is also evidently huge in the latin american community for some reason
[23:09:20] <seanmcg> by heritage.. next tuesday most of the U.S. will be irish :)
[23:09:32] <seanmcg> e^ipi, odd.
[23:09:36] <e^ipi> heritage, not BAC
[23:09:37] <e^ipi> ;)
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[23:09:48] <e^ipi> "irish blood" doesn't refer to whiskey
[23:10:21] <jmcp> seanmcg: my goddaughter's birthday is the 17th
[23:10:30] <jmcp> she's going to have a *ripper* of an 18th
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[23:13:34] <e^ipi> jmcp: and then vomit green on the 18th
[23:13:45] <e^ipi> unless dying beer in just a north american thing
[23:14:00] <seanmcg> yes, its a north american thing.
[23:14:04] <jmcp> e^ipi: she's only 4 years old next week, so there's plenty of time to get ready
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[23:16:17] <seanmcg> jmcp that only gives you and her dad about 14 years to practice
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[23:16:50] <jmcp> seanmcg: I think we'll manage :-)
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[23:22:42] <oninoshik1> thank you, tsoome1 and seanmcg
[23:22:50] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: um. can't you hold down the end call button fro like 2 seconds?
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[23:23:05] <ry_laptop> no
[23:23:07] <ry_laptop> it's like 5 seconds
[23:23:07] <_Lewellyn> also mdadm sucks even more after zfs has spoilt me :)
[23:23:11] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: ow. :P
[23:23:17] <ry_laptop> and THEN you have to press "lock"
[23:23:21] <ry_laptop> fucking stupid
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[23:23:28] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: mine is about the same amount of time as putting the phone in my pocket :P
[23:23:44] <ry_laptop> I'm settling for calling lock device manually, and leave the screen on when I put it in my pcoket ( auto blank after a minute )
[23:23:49] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[23:23:53] <trichobezoar> i just did it on my winmo phone, it's about 2 seconds
[23:23:59] <ry_laptop> I'm never buying a phone again without trying it first.
[23:24:12] <ry_laptop> my old ppc-6700 worked fine.
[23:24:25] <ry_laptop> winmo 6.1 on touch pro sucks.
[23:24:30] <ry_laptop> almost bought the G1 today
[23:24:40] <crichardso> is there a way with shareiscsi=on to make it increment lun numbers instead of creating a new inistator or what ever?
[23:24:48] <ry_laptop> but that would violate my first rule of a cell phone, it has to work as a great phone first.
[23:25:17] <oninoshik1> crichardso: i dont beleave so. you have to manually set up the iscsi if you want that
[23:25:30] <trichobezoar> I like my blackjack2...  I went to it form a Cingular 8525
[23:25:34] <eviljames> ry_laptop: That's the most important criteria.  I have a blackberry, and strongly recommend against it.
[23:25:43] <ry_laptop> heh
[23:25:50] <ry_laptop> my 8830 with sprint worked for about 2 years.
[23:25:55] <ry_laptop> then battery died.
[23:25:59] <eviljames> ry_laptop: Randomly deleting missed calls and text message before they are checked is NOT a feature.
[23:26:07] <ry_laptop> yeah, that's bunk.
[23:26:08] <eviljames> That is, unless your name is Research In Motion
[23:26:12] <trichobezoar> and it was cheaper to get a new phone than an ewb abttery?
[23:26:17] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: yeah. mine is essentially a "blackjack 1.5"
[23:26:24] <sickness> eviljames: instead it is, it spares you from the duty of reading them and deleting them afterwards ;)
[23:26:25] <ry_laptop> well, the phone was 2 yeras old...
[23:26:26] <trichobezoar> What's a blackjack 1.5?
[23:26:29] <sickness> eviljames: think the microsoft way ;P
[23:26:33] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: my phone ;)
[23:26:33] <ry_laptop> and it has that stupid trackball in the middle that was aging
[23:26:38] <trichobezoar> _Lewellyn: hah, funny
[23:26:43] <_Lewellyn> it's essentially a blackjack, but not called one.
[23:26:45] <trichobezoar> ry_laptop: getting black, sickly, an ddisgusting?
[23:26:53] <ry_laptop> no, just doesn't track very well :/
[23:26:58] <_Lewellyn> it's got an in-between form factor, too
[23:27:04] <eviljames> ry_laptop: I refer to that as my phone's clit, if you rub it the right way good things happen.  But, beware if you press too hard!
[23:27:07] <trichobezoar> _Lewellyn: link or it doesn't exist
[23:27:15] <ry_laptop> LOL that's exactly right.
[23:27:24] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: google Samsung ACE SPH-i325
[23:28:03] <trichobezoar> _Lewellyn: ahh i see
[23:28:05] <_Lewellyn> ok. time to fight with mdadm more. it refuses to make this array non-degraded. i hate hate hate software raid on linux. :P
[23:28:17] <ry_laptop> Heh yeah.
[23:28:26] <ry_laptop> that pretty much describes linux.
[23:28:30] <ry_laptop> So sick of linux
[23:28:31] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i think i know how to get internet sharing with this phone and opensolaris :)
[23:28:36] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: trying tonight or tomorrow
[23:28:37] <ry_laptop> breaking in new and interesting ways
[23:28:46] <trichobezoar> lvm seems to work...
[23:29:11] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: that's why i'm at the colo. i'm about to just put the drives in another machine and see if linux will let me bring the array back up properly.
[23:29:24] <ry_laptop> ugh. good luck.
[23:29:28] <_Lewellyn> also, i just noticed that i have an "Access List" tag instead of "Visitor" this time...
[23:29:28] <trichobezoar> _Lewellyn: it really has a touch screen?
[23:29:28] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: if you were using ZFS you could just zpool import it
[23:29:45] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: no... it's a "Smartphone". i purposely didn't get a touchscreen
[23:29:50] * oninoshik1 hasn't has much trouble with the BB... it was worth every penny I paid
[23:29:59] * trichobezoar demands a refund for his internet link
[23:30:01] <ry_laptop> I'm going to setup my own zarafa server this weekend.
[23:30:07] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: they know how much mdadm sucks now. i have to show them zfs on the new machine i brought with :)
[23:30:15] <sactodave1> build 109 for IPS Pleaaasseee
[23:30:27] <_Lewellyn> sactodave1: be careful what you wish for... ;)
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[23:30:36] <sickness> lolz
[23:30:38] * _Lewellyn wants 110 already, though...
[23:30:44] <jmcp> you and me both
[23:30:44] <sickness> does it finally introduces zfs crypto?
[23:30:46] * _Lewellyn doesn't like 109 much
[23:30:49] <jmcp> sickness: no
[23:31:13] <sactodave1> I just want a chance for vbox usb support
[23:31:16] <sickness> k
[23:31:19] <_Lewellyn> 106 was sweet. but that BE is missing stuff now, since i've done package installation and such.
[23:31:25] <_Lewellyn> sactodave1: can't get it working.
[23:31:46] <_Lewellyn> sactodave1: i bet it'll be 110 + vbox 2.1.5
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[23:32:13] <_Lewellyn> anyhow.. back to work.
[23:32:24] <lesterc> jmcp: so you are the organizer for the KCA?
[23:32:41] <jmcp> lesterc: I certainly am
[23:32:50] <ry_laptop> boy having more than one irc window can get cnofusing.
[23:32:51] <jmcp> organizer/agitator/chief instigator/...
[23:32:59] <jmcp> ry_laptop: dude, tabs!
[23:33:08] * lesterc saw your jmcp's mail sent to pr@ok ;)
[23:33:08] <ry_laptop> I have tabs.
[23:33:12] <ry_laptop> i was openin the wrong tab :)
[23:33:35] <jmcp> lesterc: cool!
[23:34:04] <jmcp> lesterc: I'm really hoping that some of your mob from NSW will at least submit a presentation idea
[23:34:21] <jmcp> I have some SunLabs colleagues here in Brisbane who know those folks
[23:34:32] <lesterc> what about a code walk thru for solaris kernel? :)
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[23:34:39] <jmcp> lesterc: ha!
[23:34:47] <lesterc> I bought the solaris internal book recently. ;)
[23:35:01] <jmcp> lesterc: roughly 5MLoC and ~35k files for ON
[23:35:04] <eviljames> The guy who wrote that +1'd my OSUG
[23:35:05] <jmcp> lesterc: 2nd edition, I hope
[23:35:09] <eviljames> lesterc: The book, that is :D
[23:35:10] * lesterc wants to go - but his wife is expecting...
[23:35:20] <jmcp> lesterc: bub? congrats, and good luck
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[23:35:34] <lesterc> yup. 2nd edition.
[23:36:03] <lesterc> hehe thanks. Sounds like speaking as a dad yourself.
[23:36:15] <jmcp> my 10week old bub is screaming in the background
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[23:36:21] <jmcp> yay for working from home :-)
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[23:37:14] <lesterc> hah baby crying helps stimulating your brain cells - good for trouble solving. :)
[23:37:28] <jmcp> yeah, but not so much if you haven't slept overnight
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[23:37:47] <jmcp> lesterc: which part of OK Labs are you in?
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[23:53:43] <lesterc> jmcp: just a lowly sysadmin
[23:54:28] <jmcp> lesterc: in Sydney?
[23:55:53] <lesterc> Yeah
[23:56:08] <jmcp> I moved back to Brisbane after spending nearly 9 years there
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[23:56:43] <lesterc> Brisbane is a nice place to settle down and have kids. :D
[23:56:48] <jmcp> lesterc: I was a sysadmin, now I are a bugwriter^WDeveloper
[23:56:50] <jmcp> heh
[23:57:01] <jmcp> all my family is up here, which made it easier
[23:57:07] <jmcp> and I prefer the climate - Sydney gets too cold
[23:57:55] <jmcp> .... and the housing is cheaper up here too
[23:58:49] <CIA-40> Lin Ling <Lin.Ling at Sun dot COM>: 6809347 looping in dnode_special_close() at an error path of spa_tryimport()

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