March 9, 2009 
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March 9, 2009 [00:00:18] <mibty> a pioneering object in its fledgling form is not quite prefect though . . .[00:00:38] <mibty> btw its dragging my whole desktop down, i will reboot[00:00:42] *** mibty has quit IRC[00:03:52] <[lewellyn]> dunno. this cloud thing smells of sun marketing :)[00:04:16] *** SimonCowell is now known as init3[00:05:13] *** tld has joined #OpenSolaris[00:05:27] <tld> Can I install a machine without the gui/desktop?[00:05:31] *** gray-- has joined #opensolaris[00:05:37] <[lewellyn]> yes[00:06:01] <tld> any chance you could point me in the right direction to read up? (or hint at the solution?)[00:06:40] *** capaz has quit IRC[00:07:22] <[lewellyn]> all i know is the sxce installer. and you practically get an option for it[00:07:22] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:07:50] <jmcp> tld: do you want to not install any gui-related commands/libraries, or just not run your host with a gui active?[00:07:53] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[00:08:27] <tld> jmcp: I'd rather not install X, gnome etc[00:08:46] <tld> jmcp: I'm testing opensolaris for the first time, on a 5GB VPS, so any disk I can save helps. ;)[00:08:59] <[lewellyn]> jumpstart it ;)[00:09:09] <[lewellyn]> wait. on a vps?[00:09:14] <[lewellyn]> like openvz?[00:09:23] <tld> [lewellyn]: EXSi[00:09:26] *** ranks has joined #opensolaris[00:09:36] <[lewellyn]> ah. haven't tried that yet. lemme know how it works :)[00:09:40] <tld> willdo[00:10:01] <[lewellyn]> i was planning on bugging vmware about that slightly on thurs. see if they have hardware i can play on ;)[00:10:09] <tld> so far, I've mounted the CD and booted, but I couldn't get the gui-install working through the console (too much bandwidth for the ssl connection I thnk)[00:10:10] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[00:10:25] <tld> so logged in using ssh with X11 forwarding back to the OS X machine I'm on[00:10:44] <tld> gui-installer pops up and works, but wants to install the desktop as well[00:10:53] <samc> opensolaris performance under vmware has always seemed a little sub-par compared to other guest OSes[00:10:55] <tld> which would work, but eat 3GB out of my 5GB, leaving little to spare[00:10:56] *** bubbva has quit IRC[00:11:02] <samc> but then again, I've not tried it on ESX or ESXi, only workstation and server[00:11:09] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[00:11:14] *** SQlvpapir_ has joined #opensolaris[00:11:24] <tld> samc: I'm not hoping to be impressed by the performance. Mostly just want to get my hands a bit dirty, and have the box to check that my code is fine on Solaris.[00:11:41] <samc> ah yep, it should give you that much at least :)[00:11:45] <[lewellyn]> tld: is this opensolaris or sxce?[00:11:54] <tld> [lewellyn]: opensolaris[00:12:07] <tld> [lewellyn]: never heard of sxce to be honest. :/[00:12:15] <[lewellyn]> i dunno what opensolaris's installer looks like. but my impression is that it's still "young"[00:12:21] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[00:12:25] <[lewellyn]> you can get sxce from the opensolaris.org download page[00:12:34] <tld> what is sxce?[00:12:35] <[lewellyn]> it's a 3.3gb dvd, and you want to do a text install.[00:12:41] <[lewellyn]> solaris express community edition[00:12:49] <tld> ahh[00:13:05] <tld> so closer to the normal solaris, without various propietary stuff?[00:13:15] <[lewellyn]> with the various proprietary stuff[00:13:21] <trichobezoar> OS' install is two steps. 1) Set up partition, 2) Click install[00:13:22] <tld> oh, even better[00:13:39] <tld> and I can skip X, gnome and those bits[00:13:39] <tld> ?[00:13:39] <[lewellyn]> trichobezoar: yeah. sxce lets you choose package sets ;)[00:13:40] <samc> trichobezoar: can't click install when it's text mode ;)[00:13:56] <[lewellyn]> tld: you can choose each and every package individually, if you like.[00:13:57] <trichobezoar> OS != SXCE[00:14:02] <jmcp> use up/down arrows, <enter>/<space>[00:14:21] <[lewellyn]> answer questions and confirm them with F2 or Esc, 2.[00:14:22] <tld> sounds like it's more the right thing for me than the normal opensolaris then[00:15:02] *** servo-- has joined #opensolaris[00:15:02] <trichobezoar> tld: depends. but if you say so, then probably. just remember OS is a moving target, so... this may not be applicable in 6 months[00:15:07] <[lewellyn]> tld: at some point, opensolaris and sxce will be one and the same. but, right now, opensolaris comes across more as an "enthusiast" distro to me[00:15:43] <[lewellyn]> it's got all the bits that aren't ready for sxce yet :)[00:15:45] <trichobezoar> Once you get past the installer things are mostly the same[00:15:56] <[lewellyn]> trichobezoar: until you get to package management and upgrades ;)[00:16:01] <tld> nice, thanks guys. :)[00:16:02] <trichobezoar> you can still use blastwave, pkg, etc[00:16:03] <samc> and zones ;)[00:16:05] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[00:16:15] <trichobezoar> err, srv4 packages[00:16:16] <[lewellyn]> samc: zones are different?[00:16:30] *** ranks has left #opensolaris[00:16:30] <samc> [lewellyn]: only in that opensolaris wants you to make zones using ipkg[00:16:32] <tld> I should probably read up on this myself, but I'm really tired... Can I ask if I should grab the "DVD" or the "DVD (single image)"?[00:16:39] <[lewellyn]> samc: using what? o_O[00:16:51] <[lewellyn]> tld: single image.[00:16:56] <[lewellyn]> make your life easier.[00:17:00] <tld> [lewellyn]: thanks. :)[00:17:01] <tld> all of you[00:17:06] <samc> yeah, ther'es a new zone brand called ipkg, and zoneadm install just runs ipkg -R /zoneroot/whatever/ to build the zone[00:17:18] <samc> you can't make a zone and copy files from global like you can in sol10 and sxce :([00:17:31] <samc> which is kind of a shame, as it means you can't make sparse zones any more[00:17:45] <trichobezoar> what happens if you add pkg dir?[00:17:46] <[lewellyn]> samc: um. full-root zones are useless to me :([00:18:17] <samc> [lewellyn]: yeah, we use sparse zones in our dmz here, which is awesome :([00:18:24] <[lewellyn]> sparse zones are one of the kick-ass features of zones[00:18:36] <samc> I was reading they're trying to find a nice way of putting it back in but still using pkg to build the zones[00:18:37] <trichobezoar> http://i41.tinypic.com/2cg0vuu.jpg <--- totally OT[00:18:40] <samc> not sure what's happening with that though[00:18:46] <tld> I'm a bit curious btw... On FreeBSD, I'm using zfs with jails. I have a base zfs, which I snapshot, then clone up several "light virtual machines". I gather I could do the same with solaris and zones?[00:19:16] *** slax1975 has joined #opensolaris[00:19:34] <trichobezoar> yeah[00:20:08] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris[00:20:09] <[lewellyn]> trichobezoar: i'm not asking what's on his chest[00:20:29] <[lewellyn]> samc: i don't like this "pkg will be your basic sysadmin tool" thing...[00:20:37] *** farsan_ has joined #opensolaris[00:21:12] <samc> [lewellyn]: so far I'm quite liking ipkg, but then again I'm fairly new to Solaris and I imagine it'd be a pretty big departure to what everybody is used to[00:21:23] <MACscr_la> anyone running opensolaris on a flash drive?[00:21:51] <jmcp> MACscr1: yes, people are[00:21:54] <[lewellyn]> i foresee the path that it sounds like it is taking as competing with sam/smit.[00:21:56] <jmcp> not me though, I haven't got mine yet[00:22:21] *** farsan has quit IRC[00:22:21] <trichobezoar> yours?[00:22:34] <[lewellyn]> and those tools are part of what gave hpux/aix a bad name.[00:22:44] <slax1975> Hi everyone! I wanted to ask you a question: I have a Dell Inspiron with Broadcom wifi. I heard that OpenSolaris will probably not support this kind of wifi card. Is it definitive or will there be a chance to have a driver in the next OpenSolaris release? Thanks in advance[00:22:45] <tld> MACscr1: will opensolaris be happy on a Geode LX800 with 256MB RAM?[00:22:52] <trichobezoar> no[00:23:10] <tld> then it would have been nifty to run from flash[00:23:12] <[lewellyn]> slax1975: um. have you checked the HCL?[00:23:40] <trichobezoar> 512mb min pretty much[00:23:45] <MACscr_la> jmcp: when those are done internally, how are they usually connected?[00:23:55] <jmcp> via SATA[00:24:17] *** dmoerner has joined #opensolaris[00:24:18] <samc> trichobezoar: not actually sure what happens if you try to add an inherit-pkg-dir in an ipkg zone[00:24:21] *** servo- has quit IRC[00:24:25] <samc> (was that what you were asking about a page back?)[00:24:29] <samc> trying it now though anyway ;)[00:24:33] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[00:24:35] <MACscr_la> jmcp: are you talking about actual drives versus just a small card?[00:24:47] <trichobezoar> samc: yes it was[00:25:34] <jmcp> MACscr1: yes[00:25:38] <[lewellyn]> slax1975: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/wireless_driver_compatible_list/[00:25:43] <jmcp> how else would you connect a flash drive to a system?[00:26:17] <ceri> jmcp, I think he meant USB.[00:26:19] <[lewellyn]> slax1975: you may be able to use NIDSWrapper[00:26:21] *** dmoerner has left #opensolaris[00:26:42] <MACscr_la> ceri: they have card readers as well you can connect directly to the mb from what i have read[00:26:49] <MACscr_la> very popular for iscsi servers[00:26:58] <MACscr_la> to run the os on it instead of an actual drive[00:27:05] *** smoytra has joined #opensolaris[00:27:07] <smoytra> I'm downloading OpenSolaris![00:27:07] <[lewellyn]> slax1975: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/ndis/[00:27:11] <ceri> MACscr_la, what do, sorry?[00:27:11] <[lewellyn]> smoytra: woo![00:27:13] <jmcp> ceri: yuck![00:27:14] *** kate21de1 has joined #opensolaris[00:27:24] <smoytra> jmcp: im so excited to download opensolaris[00:27:29] <smoytra> im doing that right now[00:27:30] <jmcp> cool[00:27:51] <smoytra> do you currently run it? can I see a uname please![00:27:52] <smoytra> :)[00:27:55] *** slax1975 has quit IRC[00:28:06] <tld> So far I've been using ALIXes with FreeBSD for small routers, mini-servers, firewalls etc. Dirt-cheap, as they go for about $100 each. Anyone happened to know about something a little beefier, that would run Solaris nicely?[00:28:09] *** slax1975 has joined #opensolaris[00:28:22] <jmcp> smoytra: SunOS blinder 5.11 snv_106 i86pc i386 i86pc[00:28:28] <jmcp> I'm running SXCE build 106[00:28:41] <jmcp> next week I'll be LiveUpgrading to 110[00:28:46] <tld> SXCE will do 64bits as well?[00:28:52] <smoytra> Solaris is ok with gnutils ?[00:28:53] <jmcp> by default, if the hardware supports it[00:29:01] <jmcp> smoytra: define "ok" ?[00:29:06] <tld> :)[00:29:30] <smoytra> Nexenta looks interesting[00:29:59] <samc> trichobezoar: hmm, zoneadm install works, but it's not able to boot afterwards --[00:30:02] <samc> blackrock:~ $ pfexec zoneadm -z deadwind boot[00:30:02] <nachox> tld, there is not a separate 64 bit version of solaris in x86, isaexec is a cool thing[00:30:05] <samc> zone 'deadwind': /zones/deadwind/root/usr/ is not a canonical path[00:30:07] <samc> zone 'deadwind': /zones/deadwind/root/usr/ is not a valid mount point[00:30:10] <samc> zoneadm: zone 'deadwind': call to zoneadmd failed[00:30:15] <smoytra> jmcp: ive heard alot of opensolaris.. I want to know whats great about it[00:30:27] <tld> nachox: :)[00:30:31] <smoytra> what seperates solaris from linux?[00:30:33] <trichobezoar> samc: burn. oh well. I didnt realize that there was no sparseness on opensolaris. That's kinda lame.[00:30:36] <smoytra> what makes it better/worse?[00:30:36] <tld> I'm starting to think I could get used to solaris[00:30:37] <samc> but yeah, as I said there seems to be some interest in resolving it to keep all parties happy; just not sure how that's gonna happen yet :D[00:30:41] <samc> yeah, it is a shame[00:30:49] <smoytra> solaris has some nice features for debugging.. and ZFS is awesome I heard[00:31:12] <tld> I've been spoiled by FreeBSDs ports, but I understand ports/packages are improving for solaris as well, so I might be a convert soon. :)[00:31:15] <trichobezoar> It's well documented... Read some of the source for the vm system... It's nicely described at the top[00:31:22] <smoytra> can zfs and dtrace be ported to linux?[00:31:27] <tld> smoytra: no.[00:31:34] <tld> smoytra: (license issues)[00:31:43] <smoytra> are you sure?[00:31:44] <tld> smoytra: though I think you can run ZFS as a userland-thing[00:31:54] <tld> smoytra: yes, I'm sure. ZFS license isn't compatible with GPL[00:31:56] <ceri> tld They could be. They just couldn't be redistributed.[00:31:57] <nachox> smoytra, solaris has less support for some exotic hardware, some open source software is harder to compile but that's it when it comes to the problems it has compared to linux, the rest are all advantages, SMF and ZFS are clear winners if you ask me[00:32:02] <tld> ceri: point[00:32:29] <MACscr_la> if im running opensolaris for a san/nas, it seems like a waste of space/power/harddrives to use anything more than an 8gb or even less flash drive[00:32:40] <tld> A lot of people consider ZFS the best thing since sliced bread.[00:32:47] <MACscr_la> obviously you dont want it sticking out the back or front, so something internal is needed[00:32:51] <smoytra> I know you can run zfs under fuse[00:32:52] <smoytra> jmcp?[00:33:06] <tld> MACscr1: SLC![00:33:08] <MACscr_la> smoytra: its not a good idea from what i have read[00:33:18] *** kate21de has quit IRC[00:33:25] <smoytra> What other insentive is there for using solaris instead of linux?[00:33:29] <ceri> tld I think it's a very good filesystem, but I am not 100% convinced about its volume management capability[00:34:05] <tld> ceri: I'm almost 100% convinced it's a step in the right direction though.[00:34:12] <MACscr_la> tld: never heard of SLC, thanks[00:34:19] <jmcp> smoytra: what's the question?[00:34:20] <smoytra> I'd like to know what makes OpenSolaris interesting, although I realize that alternatives are usually welcome.[00:34:25] <tld> ceri: But yeah, there's always room for improvements with volume management[00:34:51] *** fftb_ has quit IRC[00:35:00] <tld> MACscr1: If you run a server on flash, make sure it's SLC flash, not MLC. Basically, MLC flashes die, SLCs keep working. ;)[00:35:20] <jmcp> smoytra: lots of things make opensolaris interesting[00:35:27] <[lewellyn]> smoytra: many enterprises have used solaris for many, many years for tasks they'd not even consider linux for[00:35:29] <ceri> smoytra, fma, privileges, rbac, dtrace, cpu management, no oom-killer, scalability, dynamic bloody everything...[00:35:39] <nachox> smoytra, solaris has MUCH better debugging tools, a pstack that works too :)[00:35:46] <[lewellyn]> ceri: don't forget zones :D[00:35:50] <nachox> and projects[00:35:51] <tld> ceri: oom-killer?[00:35:59] <gray--> when you remove a device from a zfs pool, how does that all work?? or, maybe the question is, is it actually possible to remove a device?[00:36:04] <[lewellyn]> oh yes. dtrace and dbx :D[00:36:08] <smoytra> jmcp like what?[00:36:13] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[00:36:21] <gray--> zpool remove blah, but i can't get my head around that[00:36:23] <ceri> smoytra, comstar, zones and projects :)[00:36:24] <nachox> the nasty thing that kills processes when it runs out of memory instead of properly returning an error in malloc[00:36:32] <tld> gray--: more or less like a RAID-setup... If you've got enough redundancy, everything will keep working just fine.[00:36:49] <tld> nachox: linux still has that?[00:36:58] <[lewellyn]> nachox: there's pros and cons to the oom killer :)[00:36:59] <tld> *sigh*[00:37:02] <gray--> tld, but raid would still need for you to replace that device?[00:37:18] <nachox> tld, of course[00:37:20] <[lewellyn]> for joe user, it's better for things to die than to not be able to kill them[00:37:33] <tld> gray--: same with zfs. if more drives keep failing or getting pulled, sooner or later you'll be in trouble. ;)[00:37:35] <ceri> smoytra, live kernel debugging, rock solid FC support,[00:37:44] *** wbkang has left #opensolaris[00:37:56] <gray--> tld: it would be awesomely awesome if you could drop a device from a storage pool and it keeps shifting the data until it's no longer possible from a capacity point of view[00:38:19] <tld> gray--: nothing in zfs that stops you from doing that.[00:38:23] <ceri> gray--, yeah, that's the kind of stuff it's missing. 'til then, vxvm ftw.[00:38:28] <tld> gray--: not sure if/how the utilities allow you to though[00:38:42] <gray--> i heard it wasn't quite 'here and now' yet[00:39:09] <tld> gray--: no, but the on-disk structures and bits should be capable of it[00:39:13] *** zarguni has quit IRC[00:39:25] *** servo-- has quit IRC[00:39:52] <[lewellyn]> ok. since we were on the subject of zones a bit ago, can someone answer some questions about branded zones for me? like a howto for setting up a whole new brand? :)[00:39:54] <tld> Booted a server through ESXi, logged in to it through SSH with X11 forwarding, and running gui-installer against the local X11 server on a OS X machine... Never installed an OS in quite this way before. ;)[00:40:04] <gray--> so, if i wanted to replace all drives in a 5 way mirrored cat, one by one, with bigger drives, zfs is very happy?[00:40:28] <smoytra> jmcp: why should I consider opensolaris?[00:40:39] <ceri> gray--, Yes, I think you can do that .[00:40:42] <smoytra> jmcp: im I'm gonna try it in VirtualBox.[00:40:43] <[lewellyn]> tld: the sxce installer, you *really* want to use the text-only installer for :)[00:40:44] <trichobezoar> Thats up to you[00:41:10] <tld> [lewellyn]: yeah, just letting the gui-installer run it's course while I'm downloading the sxce dvd[00:41:14] <[lewellyn]> kk[00:41:27] <tld> just cause it's so cute that it works. ;)[00:41:29] <[lewellyn]> tld: you don't get zfs, at the least, if you use the gui installer with sxce[00:41:37] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris[00:41:48] <[lewellyn]> and i think the gui installer is broken still, in the current release.[00:41:48] <smoytra> should I consider to use it in a virualbox?[00:42:07] <tld> [lewellyn]: only reason I'm using the gui-installer is that the DVD I already had was opensolaris, for which there seems to only be a gui-installer[00:42:07] <ceri> smoytra, yes, it works great in vbox[00:42:13] <[lewellyn]> (the great thing about opensolaris is that new builds get pushed to the community regardless of their state)[00:42:21] <tld> [lewellyn]: will the text-installer for sxce allow me to do zfs root?[00:42:26] <smoytra> Well, not being too familiar with the intricacies of the linux kernel, I'm not sure I'll discover the difference.[00:42:31] <smoytra> I'm not really a developer either.[00:42:32] <[lewellyn]> tld: i've never booted my 2008.11 cd. :D[00:42:45] <[lewellyn]> tld: and the text installer is the only way to get a zfs root on sxce[00:42:50] <[lewellyn]> (for now, at least)[00:42:50] <tld> :)[00:43:06] <tld> zfs root seems very nifty for a lot of reasons, including upgrades[00:43:25] <[lewellyn]> word to the wise: use lumount, don't change zfs mountpoints :)[00:43:25] *** slax1975 has quit IRC[00:44:04] *** sonne_ has joined #opensolaris[00:44:07] <tsoome> you can change, but you need to change back;)[00:44:09] <nachox> zfs root is what live update has needed for years[00:44:35] <[lewellyn]> tsoome: no, it was trying to mount /var before /, then ;)[00:44:46] <tsoome> but yea, for data in BE, use lu* tools[00:44:54] *** cyta has joined #opensolaris[00:45:10] <[lewellyn]> nachox: too bad all the lu docs are still ufs-centric :P[00:45:13] <tld> Does Solaris have anything along the lines of FreeBSDs nullmounts?[00:45:22] <[lewellyn]> tld: you mean lofi? :)[00:45:24] <ceri> tld absolutely. lofs[00:45:39] <tld> sounds good[00:45:52] <[lewellyn]> NAME[00:45:53] <[lewellyn]> lofi - Loopback file driver[00:45:59] <cyta> opensolaris is great, how can I help support the project?[00:46:00] <[lewellyn]> man lofi :)[00:46:19] <tld> [lewellyn]: hmm, lofi might not be the right thing.[00:46:32] <[lewellyn]> cyta: use it, give feedback. if you can hack code, submit patches. if you can write docs, i'm sure those are needed, too.[00:46:35] <tld> I don't want to mount a file, I want to make a mountpoint accessible somewhere else (optionally limited to read-only)[00:46:41] <[lewellyn]> advocacy is always, helpful, too.[00:46:53] <[lewellyn]> tld: then lofs, yes[00:46:58] <ceri> tld, that's why I said lofs :)[00:47:05] <tld> perfect. :)[00:47:34] <phaedrus5> If I want to set up an internet service with ZFS and AVS, what is the advantage of OpenSolaris over Solatis?[00:47:43] <phaedrus5> Solaris[00:47:47] <cyta> lewellyn: ok[00:47:55] <ceri> phaedrus5, you get AVS for free w/ OS[00:47:55] <smoytra> I never even got through the installer :/[00:47:55] <tld> If I make zones with zfs snapshot+clone, and edit the clones, can I somehow move them to a new snapshot? To upgrade all the "child zones" at once, without spending disk-space pr. zone for an upgrade?[00:47:57] <smoytra> help![00:48:32] <cyta> any idea when bluetooth and irda will be available? (if they will ever be available?)[00:48:40] <phaedrus5> smoytra: with both of them, right?[00:48:49] <xRaich[o]2x> smoytra: sxce or opensolaris?[00:49:09] <phaedrus5> sorry, ceri: AVS comes with both OS and Solaris, right?[00:49:15] <smoytra> opensolaris[00:49:15] <svcadm> is there a way to level the data in a zpool? For instance, I have zpool mirror that was getting close to capacity, so I added another mirror set to it.[00:49:26] <ceri> phaedrus5, no, you have to pay for it for Solaris[00:49:40] <phaedrus5> ceri: Ah, that's good to know.[00:49:41] <xRaich[o]2x> smoytra: erm... what's the problem. It's dead simple[00:50:31] <ceri> svcadm, nope. other than moving all the data off and then back again.[00:50:42] <ceri> phaedrus5, It's silly, I know.[00:50:56] <phaedrus5> ceri: you're right there.[00:50:56] <nachox> ceri, you have to pay for it?[00:50:58] <svcadm> ceri: yeah, that's what I was afraid of *grumble*[00:51:19] <ceri> nachox, avs is a paid product for solaris, yes.[00:51:35] <[lewellyn]> cyta: you can use bluetooth mice in current builds[00:51:44] <[lewellyn]> i haven't tested that yet though[00:52:03] <[lewellyn]> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/bluetooth/[00:52:30] <[lewellyn]> cyta: i don't know if anyone's working on irda[00:52:40] <[lewellyn]> irda, sadly, is somewhat dead :([00:52:50] <tld> anyone really wants irda anymore?[00:53:00] <svcadm> tld: LOL .. that's kinda what I was thinking[00:53:27] <nachox> ceri, avs is Sun StorageTek Availability Suite, not the antivirus service[00:53:35] <cyta> lewellyn: ty, I am actually interested in bluetooth networking with a smartphone[00:53:35] <tld> seems pretty much dead and replaced by bluetooth.[00:53:43] <tld> generic IR for remote-controls though, could be useful[00:54:03] <[lewellyn]> cyta: there's a few of us interested in that. :)[00:54:10] <cyta> tld: yea, irda for media center systems works great[00:54:18] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[00:54:19] <cyta> lewellyn: :)[00:54:24] <nachox> vscan is the antivirus software[00:54:40] <ceri> nachox, yes. Unless I missed an announcemen (which is possible), you still have to pay for that[00:54:44] <[lewellyn]> tld: having irda on your laptop is fun at a busy truck stop ;)[00:54:57] <tld> haha[00:55:02] <cyta> lol[00:55:12] <[lewellyn]> "And today, in Pakistan..." *click* "Only $29.99, if you call in the next 3 minutes!"[00:55:38] <svcadm> LOL[00:55:40] <[lewellyn]> there need to be more remote control apps in the world ;D[00:56:01] *** parceval has joined #opensolaris[00:56:02] <cyta> ceri: why would you need an antivirus toolkit for opensolaris?[00:56:16] <[lewellyn]> and what's wrong with the existing scanners?[00:56:20] <ceri> cyta, I never said that you would.[00:56:44] <[lewellyn]> i'm all for non-necessary crap being payware :)[00:56:47] <svcadm> cyta: could be handy if you have lots of CIFS shares[00:56:51] <ceri> But the answer is that you might be using it as a fileserver[00:56:52] <cyta> ceri: do u know of any opensolaris virues yet?[00:57:16] <[lewellyn]> is vscan an on-access scanner?[00:57:26] <ceri> cyta, I never mentioned viruses. Stop now.[00:57:39] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[00:57:45] <cyta> lewellyn: yea couldn't phrase it better, non-necessary crap being payware[00:58:12] *** piwi has quit IRC[00:58:29] <[lewellyn]> cyta: it's only unnecessary since there's plenty of viable solutions that are free. the only things worth paying for would be "support" and on-access[00:58:39] <cyta> ceri: ok just wondering.. if people instead of helping opensolaris developed positively, took any negative alternative[00:59:14] <ceri> [lewellyn], yes, vscan is on-access. Runs on open() and close(), iirc.[00:59:32] <[lewellyn]> i mean, my nfs homedirs are also available via cifs. i bet that's not as unusual as some people would like to believe[00:59:39] <[lewellyn]> ceri: any idea on pricing?[00:59:46] <cyta> lewellyn: antivirus are an unnecessary approach, file immunity software should have been developed instead, but most like to take the long way[01:00:08] <[lewellyn]> cyta: i sell what people ask me for. *shrug*[01:00:13] <ceri> [lewellyn], there is no Sun vscan product. vscand on opensolaris is free, but it needs to talk to Something Else.[01:00:25] <[lewellyn]> and what is the "something else"[01:00:29] <[lewellyn]> would clamd work?[01:00:39] <ceri> [lewellyn], we are going to experiment sending to squid via ICAP.[01:00:45] <cyta> cyta: ur customers could be virus developers trying to promote their antivirus suite ;)[01:00:48] <[lewellyn]> a url to the thing is useful :)[01:00:48] <ceri> [lewellyn], if clamd speaks ICAP, yes.[01:00:49] <trichobezoar> send it to my mom...[01:00:55] <cyta> err lewellyn :0[01:01:10] * cyta fades back to silence..[01:01:14] <[lewellyn]> cyta: or my clients could be software houses, and paranoid.[01:01:54] <ceri> Much better to scan stuff as it's written to your storage server, because then you might not get sued for serving it out, i guess[01:01:56] <cyta> if they were paranoid enough they would have preferred developing file immunity software, anywayyyyyy back to dreaming[01:02:33] <[lewellyn]> paranoia means checking the same file numerous times so that an infected file never makes it to end-users[01:02:50] <[lewellyn]> ceri: it's much better to scan anywhere the file is touched :)[01:02:57] <ceri> [lewellyn], examples are http://www.symantec.com/business/scan-engine, and anything that implements RFC 3507[01:03:01] <trichobezoar> that's rape[01:03:07] <ceri> [lewellyn], of course :)[01:03:19] <[lewellyn]> ceri: i meant vscan. i've not heard of it before[01:03:24] <[lewellyn]> trichobezoar: only if she complains[01:03:28] <cyta> lol[01:03:45] <ceri> [lewellyn], those are examples of the Something Else that vscand needs to speak to[01:03:56] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris[01:04:04] <sstallion> jmcp: around ?[01:04:04] <[lewellyn]> ceri: i'm more interested in the solaris side, at the moment :)[01:04:33] <ceri> [lewellyn], ok , see http://blogs.sun.com/lewiz/entry/introduction_to_solaris_cifs_vscan[01:05:26] <cyta> actually paranoia is feeling insecure due to possible speculated thread[01:05:55] <cyta> thats what my dictionary says anyway, heh[01:06:09] <[lewellyn]> ceri: i think their server scanning software of choice does icap. but i don't think it runs natively on solaris. i'll have to look into running it in an lx-branded zone this week[01:06:25] <[lewellyn]> ceri: thanks :)[01:06:43] <ceri> [lewellyn], no worries. my battery is just about to die, mail lewis with any q's :)[01:06:55] <[lewellyn]> cyta: 2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others[01:06:59] *** ceri has quit IRC[01:07:31] <[lewellyn]> not trusting files provided by your third-parties certainly falls into that, in my book.[01:08:39] <cyta> third parties usually have veilled motives[01:09:25] <[lewellyn]> you never know if they do, beyond getting paid for writing code for you.[01:09:51] <cyta> well you can always know, but it requires a large amount of wasted pleasure time[01:10:17] <nachox> [lewellyn], an av scanner in a lx branded zone? scary[01:11:26] <cyta> e.g on the software topic, like going through the whole source code yourself, bit by bit...[01:11:33] *** fftb__ has quit IRC[01:11:55] <cyta> thats is TOO much amount of wasted pleasure time though[01:12:09] <[lewellyn]> nachox: it'd just have to do icap :)[01:13:17] <[lewellyn]> cyta: if my clients had enough time to develop everything in house, they'd probably worry less. but since the one i'm thinking of distributes things directly to end-users, selling even 1000 cds infected with a virus could spell disaster.[01:13:18] <nachox> [lewellyn], just use a few dedicated 10gb interfaces between the filer and the av scanner :)[01:13:42] <[lewellyn]> nachox: i'm on a hardware-reduction kick lately ;)\[01:14:16] <[lewellyn]> nachox: have you looked at prstat with long-running opera and firefox yet? :)[01:14:21] <[lewellyn]> 10082 lewellyn 140M 65M run 0 19 3:01:39 13% operapluginwrap/2[01:14:21] <[lewellyn]> 14186 lewellyn 510M 171M run 55 0 2:49:35 11% firefox-bin/12[01:14:21] <[lewellyn]> 10921 lewellyn 360M 215M run 40 0 1:35:06 7.6% opera/5[01:14:45] <nachox> ok, buy 10 realtek 8139 cards and trunk them, that should cost less than 100 dollars :)[01:15:06] <[lewellyn]> nachox: hardware reduction is partiallyto reduce electricity costs :P[01:15:45] <nachox> operapluginwrap?[01:15:50] <[lewellyn]> cheap x86 servers seem to be false economy[01:16:01] <[lewellyn]> i assume that the pluginwrap == flash[01:17:16] <nachox> i have a plugincleaner too :)[01:18:10] <nachox> 771 nacho 186M 173M sleep 39 0 0:47:38 2.9% opera/4[01:18:10] <nachox> 1032 nacho 266M 114M sleep 53 0 0:17:12 0.8% firefox-bin/10[01:18:24] <[lewellyn]> i have 4 plugins available[01:18:41] <[lewellyn]> gtk-vnc, helix dna (realplayer), flash, totem[01:18:57] <nachox> i only have one[01:19:02] <[lewellyn]> but yeah. opera doesn't seem any more ram-conserving, really.[01:19:16] <[lewellyn]> you're on sxce or osol?[01:19:23] <nachox> indiana[01:19:41] <cyta> lewellyn: what type of software are you distributing? do you have a webpage I can have a look at?[01:19:59] <[lewellyn]> so yeah. you wouldn't have helix, at the least. flash is third-party. i think totem is non-default. and i dunno wtf gtk-vnc is[01:20:10] <[lewellyn]> cyta: i consult. i don't advertise my clients.[01:20:30] <[lewellyn]> it doesn't take much stalking to figure out at least my main one, though.[01:20:51] <cyta> lewellyn: all apologies, I thought you were a software distributor[01:22:16] <[lewellyn]> i have clients who are, yes.[01:23:09] <nachox> [lewellyn], btw, firefox is doing nothing here, like 2 tabs open, opera has many more, has been open for a lot more and still uses half the memory[01:23:30] <[lewellyn]> i have about the same number open in both[01:23:42] <[lewellyn]> and opera crashes more :([01:23:55] <[lewellyn]> it doesn't like craptastic javascript, it seems[01:23:56] <cyta> lewellyn: without trying to invade your privacy and solely out of curiosity and the free time provided till openoffice is downloaded, what type of consulting do you provide? you never know when it might come in handy contacting you[01:24:08] <trichobezoar> by a BEAR[01:24:37] <[lewellyn]> cyta: i'm what one may call a "jack of all trades". i do things with linux, bsd, solaris, and windows servers and clients.[01:24:54] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[01:24:55] <[lewellyn]> i also speak a variety of programming languages and have been known to do "web stuff"[01:25:06] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[01:25:22] <[lewellyn]> (that's the one time the "marketing phrase" comes in handy. :) )[01:25:38] <e^ipi> web stuff is to programming like dinner theatre is to fine arts[01:25:39] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[01:25:40] <e^ipi> the lowest form.[01:25:43] <e^ipi> ;)[01:25:51] <cyta> lewellyn: congratulations, you seem blessed with a lot of computing knowledge :)[01:25:53] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: note that it was the last thing listed ;)[01:26:06] <[lewellyn]> cyta: i'd hope to have absorbed at least a bit in 20+ years[01:26:54] <cyta> impressive :)[01:27:14] *** Cass has joined #opensolaris[01:28:02] <cyta> lewellyn: you may be able to answer a question that has been bugging me for years now then[01:28:12] * jmcp returns[01:28:16] <jmcp> sstallion: hi[01:28:20] <nachox> e^ipi, but like dinner theatre, someone has to do it :)[01:28:26] <[lewellyn]> probably not ;)[01:28:57] <cyta> lewellyn: why do I always feel the entire system is about to break down whenever I am installing a linux distro but I feel more stable with bsd?[01:28:58] <[lewellyn]> these days, i prefer to poke at things and sit on irc. i haven't yet figured out how to reliably turn that into billable hours :P[01:29:23] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:29:30] <[lewellyn]> cyta: 1) it seems all the linux installer systems are amateurish. 2) /dev and /proc are scary on linux.[01:29:36] <[lewellyn]> that's my bets[01:30:14] <nachox> [lewellyn], suse's installer was decent last time i tried it[01:30:29] <cyta> hehe[01:30:43] <nachox> and yes /dev/ and specially /proc are scary[01:30:53] <[lewellyn]> i have an eventual plan to release a linux distro (ironic, from a supposed "linux hater", eh?) and its installer will feel very "not-user-hand-holding-and-coddling" :)[01:31:06] <[lewellyn]> nachox: dunno. i've not installed suse in many many years[01:31:23] <nachox> i havent either, since 8.x i think[01:31:46] <tomww> [lewellyn]: +1[01:32:13] <tomww> first SuSE was 4.somtthing, the last one was 7.x iIRC[01:32:14] <[lewellyn]> nachox: yeah. 8.x was "fancy" but it didn't smack of "this is stable and polished product. respect it for that." like even windows 95 did.[01:32:20] <nachox> [lewellyn], slackware? :)[01:32:25] <[lewellyn]> tomww: on which point? :)[01:32:27] <tomww> then debian started to be the must have one[01:32:36] <tomww> [lewellyn]: the suse install[01:32:40] <[lewellyn]> nachox: even in 12.1, you can confuse the installer.[01:32:41] <e^ipi> here's a bizzare and horribly off-topic question...[01:32:45] <cyta> well I was about to combile my own linux distro for personal use exclusively but then I realised that weird feeling of instability I feel when I am running linux so I ended up in opensolaris, hope the passion lasts more than a couple of months[01:32:59] <e^ipi> anyone know if plumber's teflon works with high temperatures ( ~ 250 F )[01:33:03] <nachox> [lewellyn], nah, the newer one has lvm and crypt :)[01:33:15] <[lewellyn]> nachox: i managed to get the installer to skip installing lilo somehow last time[01:33:26] <nachox> not hard at all[01:33:28] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: good question.[01:33:37] <[lewellyn]> nachox: it said it installed it ;)[01:33:50] <e^ipi> [lewellyn]: it's relevant to my interests[01:34:00] <nachox> that can complicate things, yes[01:35:09] <[lewellyn]> nachox: if an installer claims to install a boot loader, i expect it to be there. :) anything less reeks of lack of polish and erodes trust ;)[01:35:21] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: are you building a hookah or something?[01:35:29] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[01:35:30] <e^ipi> fixing an espresso machine[01:35:46] <[lewellyn]> similar enough :)[01:35:50] <cyta> lol[01:35:55] <nachox> [lewellyn], it's opensource, you're expected to fix it, remember? ;)[01:36:27] <[lewellyn]> nachox: i tend to let things break and collect the pieces[01:36:42] <[lewellyn]> they are in the drawer next to the betty crocker and kool-aid points[01:37:21] <nachox> someone is asking for an mmc equivalent for solaris, sounds like he forgot about smc :)[01:37:36] <nachox> at osol-discuss i mean[01:39:33] <[lewellyn]> haha[01:40:54] <cyta> any idea if opensolaris will be ever released with kde gui?[01:41:26] <xRaich[o]2x> cyta: check out belenix[01:41:50] <[lewellyn]> so, anyone know where i can get bsdgames and xearth? ;)[01:41:53] <nachox> cyta, i doubt a supported version will, but i'm sure there will be packages[01:42:06] <nachox> [lewellyn], oh, how i miss fortune :P[01:42:18] <[lewellyn]> cyta: you can build kde3 from SFE[01:42:22] <[lewellyn]> nachox: i want mille :P[01:42:30] <cyta> xRaich[o]2x: I don't know japanese[01:42:36] <[lewellyn]> mille bornes is how i kill my phone's battery :D[01:42:47] <xRaich[o]2x> cyta: huh?[01:42:49] <[lewellyn]> belenix is japanese? i didn't know that...[01:42:51] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris[01:42:51] * [lewellyn] looks[01:43:02] <jmcp> I thought it came out of Bangalore[01:43:14] <xRaich[o]2x> what's japanese about belenix?[01:43:34] <[lewellyn]> i see nothing about japanese on their page, at a glance[01:43:42] <nachox> i've never heard of mille bornes[01:43:49] <[lewellyn]> they do sound bangalese :)[01:43:59] <cyta> I confused it with Jaris[01:44:09] <[lewellyn]> nachox: it's a "racing" game, traditionally played with a deck of special cards[01:44:17] <cyta> I remembered coz it really look sweet but there was no point download it[01:44:29] <nachox> Moinak Ghosh created belenix, i dont know where he is from[01:44:50] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris[01:45:02] <[lewellyn]> what's up with milax these days? i was toying with the idea of installing it a while back.[01:45:24] <[lewellyn]> nachox: ghosh sounds like it is from the region of india[01:45:46] <alanc> I think Moinak worked for Sun's Bangalore engineering center before he left[01:45:47] <nachox> [lewellyn], i'm reading about that game in wikipedia[01:45:52] <[lewellyn]> aha " BeleniX has been developed out of Bangalore, the silicon capital of India, and it was born at the India Engineering Center of SUN Microsystems"[01:45:58] <nachox> he isnt at sun anymore? that sucks[01:46:00] <[lewellyn]> alanc: howdy :)[01:46:31] <alanc> lewellyn: good evening[01:46:45] <[lewellyn]> alanc: do you have a minute? and are you willing to listen to me about complaints with 109? ;)[01:46:52] <[lewellyn]> well, not complaints, rather[01:47:02] <[lewellyn]> but i want to file bugs and don't know how to get useful info[01:47:45] <nachox> oh, he hasnt been at sun for many months now ...[01:48:28] <[lewellyn]> like, it "feels" like X is still unaccelerated on my i945. but the i915 module is loaded. so i'd like to get useful "numbers" of some sort and debug info from 106 and 109 to make sure that it's not just perception.[01:48:43] <oninoshiko> how would i fix "could not open default font 'fixed'" after an LU? I already tried reinstalling SUNWxwfnt (which did install sucsessfully)[01:49:02] <[lewellyn]> oninoshiko: alanc posted to desktop-discuss about that on friday :)[01:49:37] <cyta> opensolaris is not for the desktop market yet, package descriptions are too short[01:50:06] <alanc> lewellyn: umm, /usr/X11/bin/x11perf is the only way I know of to get 2D performance numbers - not sure about 3D[01:50:15] <alanc> cyta: they[01:50:24] *** ranks_ has joined #opensolaris[01:50:28] <alanc> re working on a mass package renaming for after the 2009.06 release[01:50:29] <nachox> glxgears was never part of solaris, right?[01:50:45] <alanc> nachox: glxgears is part of solaris, glxgears is not a benchmark[01:50:46] <cyta> you usually except the average desktop user to between medium intelligence and dumb[01:50:54] <[lewellyn]> glxgears is not installed on sxce[01:51:02] <cyta> alanc: good to know :)[01:51:07] <nachox> i know it's not :) it's just nice seeing the gears move[01:51:22] <alanc> most especially not on the new DRI version which defaults to sync with vertical refresh, so your FPS is always 60[01:51:48] <alanc> because, why waste CPU & GPU time and power rendering 200 times more frames than you can see?[01:52:10] <alanc> lewellyn: glxgears is installed if you did a full OS install[01:52:18] <[lewellyn]> i did a full install[01:52:37] <alanc> it's just hidden in /usr/X11/demo/glxgears 8-)[01:52:44] <[lewellyn]> oh. that's not in my path :)[01:53:10] <alanc> yeah, it's the only thing there and needs to move to /usr/X11/bin[01:53:15] <[lewellyn]> wow. those gears are jerky... i may need to get a video of that somehow...[01:53:35] <nachox> without glx it's a bit painful 745 frames in 5.0 seconds = 148.868 FPS :)[01:53:38] <alanc> unless I give into peer pressure first and kill /usr/X11 and join the masses in /usr/bin[01:53:53] <[lewellyn]> heh. i have /usr/openwin/demo in my path. yay history :P[01:54:15] <alanc> yeah, most of the stuff from /usr/openwin/demo we kept moved to /usr/X11/bin, like xscope & xeyes[01:55:16] <nachox> i wish the jds team used /usr/gnome or something like that for gnome stuff[01:55:19] <cyta> any google earth alternatives I can use in opensolaris?[01:55:43] <e^ipi> maps.google.com[01:55:48] <[lewellyn]> texteroids is still in /usr/openwin/demo :D[01:55:56] <e^ipi> does running it in wine work?[01:56:02] <[lewellyn]> an lx zone :)[01:56:14] <alanc> oninoshiko: unfortunately, for the X server, finding the 'fixed' font is a simple 10 step process, with things that can go wrong at each step: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/510046/trying-to-get-vncserver-running-on-solaris-fatal-server-error-could-not-open-de/511706#511706[01:56:17] <[lewellyn]> i think that's the usual test app to be sure you have an lx brand working, anyhow[01:56:18] <cyta> e^pi: dunno I am still installing basic packages[01:56:19] <e^ipi> ( IIRC the "linux version" is just a static-linked wine wrapper around the windows version anyhow )[01:56:47] <[lewellyn]> e^ipi: but does wine come with the base os? :)[01:56:49] <alanc> lewellyn: only because I haven't gotten around to rm'ing texteroids yet - it's going away with the rest of DPS[01:56:55] <[lewellyn]> aww :([01:57:03] <nachox> e^ipi, that brought back some really really nasty memories[01:57:12] <alanc> lewellyn: no wine yet, just cheese[01:57:12] <cyta> lewellyn: no it doesnt[01:57:14] <[lewellyn]> oh wow. it won't run anymore[01:57:28] <[lewellyn]> :([01:57:38] <cyta> yea I can't play wow on opensolaris either... :([01:57:44] <alanc> texteroids? it should if you're using Xsun or another DPS enabled X server - but not Xorg[01:57:56] <nachox> e^ipi, delphi's ide did just that same thing[01:58:00] <[lewellyn]> so i can play it over vnc ;)[01:58:52] <alanc> if you can find a dps enabled Xvnc, or are using a vnc screen scraper to pull your desktop off Xsun, sure...[01:58:53] <[lewellyn]> so i take it you're killing xepsf, too? that's actually often useful to me. the gnome apps have too much overhead for that simple task[01:59:11] <[lewellyn]> alanc: oh so texteroids is dead dead dead :([01:59:38] <alanc> yes, everything that uses DPS is dead[01:59:41] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[01:59:51] <[lewellyn]> dps was such cool technology :([02:00:16] <alanc> buy a Mac, use Display PDF instead 8-)[02:00:28] <[lewellyn]> hm...[02:00:42] * [lewellyn] sshes into the mac to see if it has texteroids and xepsf :)[02:00:49] <alanc> not quite the same, but the closest surviving technology[02:01:27] <[lewellyn]> ok, tonight's project is definitely to switch over to my new dhcp server :([02:01:36] <[lewellyn]> hopefully nwam will like it better, too :P[02:01:54] <oninoshiko> alanc: your message mentions that /usr/openwin/lib/X11/fonts should have a symlink to it under /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts. That isn't a symlink, would that be a bad thing?[02:01:55] <[lewellyn]> nope. no xepsf there[02:02:16] <[lewellyn]> i should rebuild my fonts, come to think of it...[02:02:20] <alanc> sounds more fun than tonight's project for me, digging out the dtksh, tooltalk and motif copyright notices to put in their IPS packages by tomorrow Czech time...[02:02:23] <[lewellyn]> my dtterm is hideous :P[02:03:01] * [lewellyn] is one of "those" who finds xterm -C unuseful.[02:03:09] *** smoytra has quit IRC[02:03:42] <[lewellyn]> i've been trying it alongside dtterm -C, but i miss having a useful scrollbar :P[02:03:52] *** tosh has quit IRC[02:04:06] <[lewellyn]> there really needs to be a dt migration guide ;)[02:04:17] *** bedlam has quit IRC[02:04:48] <ranks_> lewellyn: xterm -sb -C[02:05:05] <[lewellyn]> ranks_: the xterm scrollbar, frankly, sucks.[02:07:03] *** ry_laptop has joined #opensolaris[02:07:07] <ry_laptop> woot[02:07:17] <[lewellyn]> i was trying to use Eterm -C for a while, but Eterm still sucks :([02:07:23] <svcadm> all scrollbars suck[02:07:23] <nachox> [lewellyn], how can a dhcp server be bad? they do very little :P[02:07:24] <ry_laptop> was able to lockup b108 by trying to apply mtu size to an aggregate :)[02:08:07] <[lewellyn]> nachox: they can forget to respond to broadcasts, they can crash, they can not give all the options i'd like, they could not integrate into my local dns...[02:08:15] <[lewellyn]> ry_laptop: haha. sweet.[02:08:30] *** bnitz has quit IRC[02:08:33] <cyta> too much security feels like building your own prison :([02:08:39] *** bedlam has joined #opensolaris[02:09:13] <nachox> [lewellyn], that they could, what are you using atm?[02:09:24] <[lewellyn]> an old, creaky airport :P[02:09:25] <oninoshiko> your prison, my nice, ware blanky[02:09:54] <oninoshiko> warm*[02:10:36] <cyta> heh[02:11:16] <[lewellyn]> it flings bits between the wired and wireless machines. it does that pretty reliably, even. but its dhcp server sucks.[02:11:58] <nachox> airport? that's apple?[02:12:04] <[lewellyn]> yes[02:12:19] *** lewellyn has quit IRC[02:12:23] *** lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[02:12:42] <[lewellyn]> oh. heh. i guess that client really was still connected. oops.[02:14:12] <[lewellyn]> hm... that other one is dead as a doornail, however...[02:15:11] <[lewellyn]> hm. powertop is reporting numbers that seem bogus[02:15:20] <[lewellyn]> 4020.0% (265.6) <kernel> : genunix`cv_wakeup[02:15:20] <[lewellyn]> 2530.0% (167.1) <interrupt> : audiohd#0[02:16:12] <cyta> good night, ty for help and keep up the good work with opensolaris :)[02:16:16] *** cyta has left #opensolaris[02:16:24] <nachox> 4020% that's a lot :P[02:16:41] <[lewellyn]> yeah[02:16:46] *** kd5pbo has joined #opensolaris[02:17:58] <[lewellyn]> i guess it's good for relative numbers. better than it's been the past few builds[02:17:58] <oninoshiko> hrm... seems that fonts.alias has nothing in it, and fonts.dir has just the number 0[02:19:00] *** ranks_ has left #opensolaris[02:19:04] <ry_laptop> Heh yup core dump again[02:19:19] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[02:19:26] <ry_laptop> wonder if the igb driver has an issue with larger frames.[02:19:46] <ry_laptop> Or if I have to set the property BEFORE creating an aggreagate.[02:20:11] <alanc> oninoshiko: that's changed in 109 from previous releases - the files for 75dpi, 100dpi & misc moved from /usr/openwin to /usr/X11 and the links now point the other way[02:20:23] * ry_laptop realizes he can send this core off to someone to analysis... unlike linsucks.[02:20:45] <kd5pbo> Is this a good channel to ask about tar woes?[02:22:32] <oninoshiko> alanc: in the case they are two seperate directories, each different...[02:22:33] * [lewellyn] read that as "war toes"... o_O[02:23:27] <alanc> there's an upgrade failure that causes that, as discussed in the earlier-mentioned thread in the mailing lists[02:27:24] <kd5pbo> I created an archive, no problem.[02:27:28] <kd5pbo> I then appended a couple of files using -r.[02:27:33] <kd5pbo> Now, my 1.5GB archive says it only contains two files.[02:27:37] <kd5pbo> Problem.[02:28:04] *** wbkang has quit IRC[02:28:47] <oninoshiko> After removing all the font packages then deleteing both directories and add back the font packages it is still the same situation. (i beleave that is what the 'workaround' consited of[02:30:04] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris[02:30:04] *** stux|RC-only has joined #opensolaris[02:30:31] <ry_laptop> INTERESTING.[02:30:36] <ry_laptop> ugh.[02:30:46] <ry_laptop> interesting, mtu has a r- property...[02:32:45] <ry_laptop> fucking google[02:32:50] <ry_laptop> "igb" not "1gb"[02:33:23] <oninoshiko> got to love that[02:34:06] <ry_laptop> OpenSolaris.org Site Maintenance[02:34:08] <ry_laptop> *sigh*[02:34:38] <ry_laptop> 2 weeks!?[02:34:39] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[02:34:51] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[02:34:55] *** ggeecko has joined #opensolaris[02:35:51] *** Wil has joined #opensolaris[02:38:27] <[lewellyn]> alanc: so, opening a bugzilla bug with my x11perf data would be helpful? what else?[02:39:00] <[lewellyn]> wha huh?[02:39:06] * [lewellyn] needs to pay more attention[02:39:39] *** ravv has quit IRC[02:39:40] <oninoshiko> it's just arc cases[02:39:47] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris[02:39:59] <[lewellyn]> oh[02:42:22] *** kate21de1 has quit IRC[02:43:21] *** [JT] has left #opensolaris[02:44:07] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC[02:44:20] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has joined #opensolaris[02:45:55] *** tsoome has quit IRC[02:45:59] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris[02:50:17] <ry_laptop> Hrm, I can set mtu via the igb.conf driver file at least.[02:51:20] *** mikefut has quit IRC[03:02:18] *** [lewellyn] has quit IRC[03:02:50] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC[03:03:38] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[03:03:39] *** syamajala has quit IRC[03:04:06] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[03:07:37] *** [RIT]Rawn027 has quit IRC[03:10:59] <ry_laptop> hrmmm, funky[03:11:13] <ry_laptop> couldn't plumb an interface manually, but a reboot with the hostname.x file in place brought it up[03:11:26] * ry_laptop thinks igb driver is a work in progress.[03:14:23] *** ahmed-tux has quit IRC[03:19:09] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[03:19:26] *** ggeecko has quit IRC[03:22:25] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[03:26:05] *** capaz1 has joined #opensolaris[03:27:41] *** e1kg1 has joined #OpenSolaris[03:29:28] *** ken has quit IRC[03:31:09] *** capaz has quit IRC[03:31:20] *** libkeise1 has joined #opensolaris[03:34:56] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[03:36:09] <alain10> i cannot boot in my main beam, pc keeps rebooting, anyone would know why ?[03:38:32] <alain10> pfexec update_drv -a -i '"pci1043,8308"' nge[03:38:33] <alain10> , i did this command and it seems, it screwed up, is there a way to undo it ?[03:39:07] <ry_laptop> Use older boot env.[03:39:31] <alain10> thats what im using now but all codecs dont work anymore[03:39:38] *** gray-- has quit IRC[03:40:15] *** libkeise1 has quit IRC[03:41:21] <alain10> pfexec update_drv -a -i '"pci10de,54c"' nge[03:41:21] <alain10> , could be this one alson[03:42:39] <alain10> few packages that i had installed are also not there anymore[03:42:50] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[03:43:25] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[03:48:32] *** Roninkvf has joined #opensolaris[03:48:37] *** nachox has quit IRC[03:48:52] *** Roninkvf has left #opensolaris[03:55:33] *** liza0 has quit IRC[03:55:34] *** asarch has quit IRC[03:55:54] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[03:56:55] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[03:58:15] <_Lewellyn> so yeah. suspend is still as broken as it was in 108[03:58:19] <_Lewellyn> :([04:03:25] <lewellyn> ry_laptop: igb is intel e1000g?[04:03:35] <ry_laptop> yeah[04:03:39] <ry_laptop> 82575 chipset in my case[04:03:59] *** SQlvpapir_ has quit IRC[04:04:16] <_Lewellyn> i keep hearing people complain about it not being 100% ready yet[04:04:20] <ry_laptop> yeah[04:04:25] <ry_laptop> it's what's on the motherboard[04:04:30] <ry_laptop> so I got a matching nic card.[04:04:36] <_Lewellyn> sense makes, yes[04:04:39] <ry_laptop> heh[04:04:53] <ry_laptop> hopefully the last gigE card I have to worry about, go to 10g in a year or so[04:05:21] <ry_laptop> saw a thing on singapore earlier today. god that place looks amazing[04:05:31] <ry_laptop> too bad the weather sucks ass[04:05:53] <_Lewellyn> haha. and their culture is too strict :([04:06:19] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[04:10:18] *** e1kg1 has quit IRC[04:16:03] <_Lewellyn> i think tonight is code-writing night[04:16:21] <_Lewellyn> then, i will reward myself tomorrow with a trip to see coraline 3d[04:16:26] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[04:17:50] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[04:17:54] <deena> Hi[04:18:35] <deena> My network interface is not detecting in opensolaris[04:19:12] <deena> My network card information is "via technologies Inc VT6102[Rhile II][04:19:32] <deena> Where can i get the missing third party driver for my network interface[04:21:09] <samc> deena: there's a driver linked here - http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=190555[04:21:16] <samc> not sure if that's the only (or best) one available though[04:22:50] <samc> deena: there's also a driver (vfe) here - http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/index.html[04:22:55] <samc> that may be the better one to use[04:23:08] <deena> let me try[04:23:09] <deena> thanks[04:24:04] *** gm152 has quit IRC[04:26:15] <_Lewellyn> i tend to like the drivers on that second link[04:26:29] <_Lewellyn> does anyone here use nginx, btw?[04:26:58] *** deena has quit IRC[04:27:38] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[04:28:21] *** Chattnos has joined #opensolaris[04:28:55] <Chattnos> any sparc users here?[04:29:13] *** liza0 has quit IRC[04:29:26] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[04:29:33] <jmcp> yes[04:29:56] <_Lewellyn> Chattnos: of course there are sparc users here ;)[04:30:15] <Chattnos> Need to find a way to check sun memory. go some bad memory on a sunblade 2000[04:31:31] <jmcp> Chattnos: set diag-level=max in obp, then reset-all[04:31:43] <jmcp> or alternatively, look at the output from "fmadm faulty"[04:31:51] <jmcp> that'll tell you where the issue is and what to do about it[04:31:55] <_Lewellyn> fmadm is less "scary" :)[04:32:01] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: softie![04:32:17] <_Lewellyn> hey. i first used fmadm like 3 days ago. ;)[04:32:27] <jmcp> you haven't lived until you've watched diag-level=max wind its way through an E10k @ 3 in the morning[04:32:28] <jmcp> heh[04:32:31] <_Lewellyn> that's only because there's no openboot on x86[04:32:34] <Chattnos> have to write that stuff down. Noob to solaris . better with linux.[04:32:49] <_Lewellyn> jmcp: been there, done that. drank the pot of coffee. :P[04:32:51] <jmcp> Chattnos: fmadm is a command inside OpenSolaris and Solaris 10[04:33:04] <jmcp> Chattnos: the other stuff I mentioned is what you'd type at the ok> prompt[04:33:22] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: not something to do very often[04:33:28] <Chattnos> figured just found patchadd will have to play with that to get thing to update.[04:33:38] <jmcp> you're using Solaris 10?[04:34:28] <_Lewellyn> Chattnos: solaris 10 questions are best directed to #solaris :)[04:34:30] <jmcp> Chattnos: here's an example of FMA in action -- http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/on_fma_it_really_does[04:34:41] *** taltamir has joined #opensolaris[04:35:03] <_Lewellyn> jmcp: diag-level is one of those things that makes openboot awesome, however :)[04:35:22] <jmcp> oh yeah[04:35:24] <jmcp> that's for sure[04:35:32] <Chattnos> first I'll have to put the memory pack back in. The guy I got the sun from removed the second pack because it wasn't working.[04:35:50] <_Lewellyn> oh. and probe-scsi-all :)[04:36:19] <Chattnos> y'all ecomend jumping to openSol on a sparc?[04:36:30] <jmcp> for the moment, I'd go for SXCE[04:36:38] <jmcp> Solaris Express Community Edition[04:36:40] * _Lewellyn still runs solaris 10U6 on all his sparcs[04:37:49] *** urbanmonk has joined #opensolaris[04:38:18] <jmcp> at least you're not running s9 or earlier[04:38:20] <Chattnos> purpose of the machine is to be a grfx station for my wife. So it will need a desktop. And either photoshop or GIMP.[04:39:54] <_Lewellyn> Chattnos: you will get that with either solaris 10 or sxce[04:40:00] <Chattnos> Though it would be tempting to set up as a server.[04:40:25] <jmcp> Chattnos: There Is No Desktop And There Is No Server[04:40:35] <jmcp> There Is But One OpenSolaris[04:40:36] <Chattnos> Could it do virtual servers?[04:40:38] <jmcp> (tm) etc etc[04:40:47] <jmcp> Chattnos: depends what sort of "virtual" you're thinking of[04:40:55] <Chattnos> jmcp: But I see the spoon[04:40:58] *** Cass has quit IRC[04:43:24] *** alain10 has quit IRC[04:43:56] <Chattnos> I was just thinking trying out diffrent os images VM style not critical. I really need to set this up so the SO can do her grpx design on it. The monitor on this thing is amazing (& heavy).[04:44:22] *** MACscr_la has quit IRC[04:45:54] <Chattnos> jmcp: why SXCE over the other sparc based OS?[04:46:18] <_Lewellyn> because sparc is made by sun, who makes solaris?[04:46:32] <jmcp> OpenSolaris binary distro is only in testing for sparc at the moment, and the first Sparc arch supported is sun4v - your blade2k has sun4u[04:46:33] <_Lewellyn> the only other choices are bsd and linux[04:46:47] <jmcp> S10 Update 6 isn't as up to date as SXCE[04:46:50] <_Lewellyn> oh. so i can't run sxce on my u5 yet[04:47:02] <_Lewellyn> jmcp: i bet 10U6 will more than meet his needs :)[04:47:22] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: perhaps. Chattnos hasn't exactly laid them out[04:47:37] <jmcp> Chattnos: you're aware, I hope, that photoshop doesn't run on sparc[04:47:38] <_Lewellyn> "desktop" and "gimp"...[04:47:44] <Chattnos> what kind of packaging system does it use?[04:47:48] <jmcp> SysV[04:47:56] <_Lewellyn> jmcp: untrue. but good luck finding the ancient photoshop that did.[04:47:58] <Chattnos> it did loooong ago[04:48:07] <_Lewellyn> i think photoshop 4 was the last version[04:48:12] <jmcp> well it sure hasn't for many years[04:48:15] <Chattnos> and still pricey[04:48:26] <_Lewellyn> it was pricier then than it is now.[04:48:35] <_Lewellyn> i think it was around $2000. for just photoshop[04:51:01] <Chattnos> needs: this sunblade was picked up so that my lady could have a grfx station. A buddy in the local lug had to seel the SB 2000 for $200 It seemed to a nice fit since all she has is a G4. And gives something diffrent.[04:52:04] <_Lewellyn> the g4 is more powerful for image editing[04:52:08] <Chattnos> yes she is quite used to linux. She just set up a toy webserver to bone up on her web skills.[04:52:54] <Chattnos> really? she has a sawtooth. And the SB has better memory and monitor.[04:53:09] <_Lewellyn> but what graphics card?[04:53:25] <_Lewellyn> hahaha...[04:53:34] <_Lewellyn> oh stupid copy/paste didn't work[04:53:40] <Chattnos> not sure. was told but[04:54:00] *** liza0 has quit IRC[04:54:11] <Chattnos> She was impressed and she has done proffessional print work.[04:54:32] <Chattnos> said she could design for web printing on it.[04:54:45] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[04:55:17] <Chattnos> liza0 is just having fits ain't she[04:55:42] *** cwebber has quit IRC[04:55:53] <Chattnos> want to fire it up and check the card?[04:56:11] <ry_laptop> anyone know offhand if with the new clearview ipmp implementation you can have a different active IP dedicated to dedicated physical network devices?[04:56:25] <ry_laptop> and disable load spreading, like the old configuration can?[04:56:25] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: i have no idea what ipmp is still :([04:56:32] <ry_laptop> ip multipathing :)[04:56:40] <_Lewellyn> the only aggregation i've done is sun Trunking and it didn't explain it too well[04:56:49] *** e-jat has quit IRC[04:56:49] <Chattnos> _lewellyn: Where in the system would I check the grfx card?[04:56:59] <_Lewellyn> Chattnos: are you booted into solaris?[04:58:12] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[04:58:51] <Chattnos> not yet but I will if you want.[05:00:41] <Chattnos> standby. power cable was snatched.[05:05:19] *** liza0 has quit IRC[05:05:22] <Chattnos> just started the boot sequence. btw what is this other window that opened chanserv? yes it's been awhile since i was on irc.[05:05:32] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[05:08:29] <Chattnos> _Lewellyn booted and in where do i lookup the vidio card?[05:09:52] <_Lewellyn> prtconf -v[05:09:57] <_Lewellyn> look for "Video"[05:10:07] <_Lewellyn> or maybe "Graphic"[05:13:16] <jmcp> start with "prtdiag -v"[05:13:40] <_Lewellyn> oh yeah. prtdiag -v is probably easier for him :P[05:14:05] *** ggeecko has joined #opensolaris[05:15:10] <_Lewellyn> i made the mistake of verifying prtdiag's output on x86 and a v100. "ooops"[05:22:09] *** liza0 has quit IRC[05:22:15] <Chattnos> will try that but I recall the resolution is like 16000x14000. As my lady says better than press quality.[05:22:27] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[05:23:01] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[05:23:41] <Chattnos> _Lewllyn at least I willing to learn. This a bit arcane even for nix crowds. FortunatelyI appreaciate alternaive archs.[05:24:46] <ry_laptop> I think I'm going to give up on clearview for now[05:25:12] * ry_laptop puts away his sun document decoder ring[05:25:25] <_Lewellyn> Chattnos: for basic solaris stuff, #solaris really is a better channel. there's some overlap, but not a whole lot, between the channels.[05:25:35] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: how many boxtops did you have to turn in? :D[05:25:43] <ry_laptop> what ar eboxtops[05:26:36] *** gm152 has quit IRC[05:27:00] <_Lewellyn> you don't remember collecting cereal box tops and kool-aid points as a kid?[05:27:09] <ry_laptop> I didn't eat that shit growing up[05:27:36] <_Lewellyn> heh. you waited till adulthood? ;)[05:27:41] <ry_laptop> I never did[05:27:49] <ry_laptop> and never will.[05:27:52] <e^ipi> my mom wouldn't let me, because it's like, 3 cups of sugar to a litre and a half of water[05:28:02] <e^ipi> and some food colouring[05:28:08] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i still hear those complaints... :([05:28:25] <ry_laptop> It seems clearview is broken in regards to the hostname.* files[05:28:28] <Chattnos> well i am thinking of making the jump.[05:28:37] <_Lewellyn> i went to the bosnian market a couple hours ago. picked up a liter and a half of a juice drink[05:28:44] <ry_laptop> but I"m not certain becuase the docs contain no real world, useful examples.[05:28:52] <_Lewellyn> the complaint was that i drank the whole thing and it was so much sugar :P[05:29:08] <_Lewellyn> it's no more than the energy drink i bought for the 1am slump. and it's better for me.[05:29:21] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: that's the case with too many sun docs :([05:29:28] <ry_laptop> Yes.[05:29:34] <e^ipi> we drank mostly concentrated orange juice growing up[05:29:38] *** ggeecko has quit IRC[05:29:38] <ry_laptop> counter-intuitive.[05:29:40] <e^ipi> and iced tea[05:29:56] <ry_laptop> It hink as a project, I will rewrite the ipmp docs once I know how it works.[05:30:05] <ry_laptop> condencing a 200 page document to a 50 page or less document.[05:30:06] <e^ipi> not american iced tea, but a lot less sugar than koolaid[05:30:38] <_Lewellyn> ok. rfc 2617? not my friend[05:31:04] <Chattnos> jmcp: she found photoshop 7 for sparc[05:31:21] <_Lewellyn> photoshop 7 for sparc? how much, and where?[05:31:24] <_Lewellyn> i am interested :)[05:31:39] <jmcp> Chattnos: whoa![05:31:51] <_Lewellyn> photoshop 3 is just... yeah.[05:32:08] <_Lewellyn> but it will run on an IPC with 32 MB RAM :D[05:32:35] <_Lewellyn> oh. min reqs are SS2 or IPX...[05:32:37] <Chattnos> on the adobe website[05:32:54] <_Lewellyn> Chattnos: url, please? i couldn't find any products for sparc when i tried last[05:33:11] *** Lumberg has joined #opensolaris[05:33:34] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[05:34:15] <Chattnos> i'll have to check with her. I think the card is an xvr-1000. but not sure. I google a # from that dump.[05:34:49] <Chattnos> sunw,501-5865[05:34:54] <ry_laptop> Yeah, screw clearview for now. I"ll continue testing it in a virtual machine and migrate over to it.[05:35:14] <ry_laptop> Shame.[05:35:40] <ry_laptop> It seems they've solved some problems, but removed some functionality... Maybe I can work on addin that back :) that should be scary.[05:37:19] <jmcp> Chattnos: yup, XVR-1000[05:39:23] <_Lewellyn> time to try to add a printer in sxce[05:40:05] <_Lewellyn> hm... there's zeroconf everywhere else... but not in the printing stuff. weird[05:40:32] <jbk> *shrug*.. i plugged my printer in, it found it immediately and created a queue and everything worked[05:40:37] <_Lewellyn> and autodetecting via snmp doesn't work[05:40:41] <jbk> for a $100 printer[05:40:42] <_Lewellyn> jbk: it's a networked printer[05:41:13] <_Lewellyn> i was expecting automagic :)[05:43:07] *** bcmfh has joined #opensolaris[05:43:20] <_Lewellyn> what's the difference between the 2 print managers?[05:43:32] <ry_laptop> bash-3.2# /usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/ip ip_enable_group_ifs 0[05:43:32] <ry_laptop> The "ip_enable_group_ifs" tunable has been superseded by IP Multipathing.[05:43:32] <ry_laptop> Please see the IP Network Multipathing Administration Guide for details.[05:43:34] *** h3sp4wn has joined #opensolaris[05:43:34] <ry_laptop> *grumbles*[05:43:40] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: just use cups[05:43:53] * jmcp hates @ sysv printing[05:44:00] <_Lewellyn> i hate cups :P[05:44:11] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: it's the way printing is going for OpenSolaris[05:44:14] *** Ali_BB has joined #opensolaris[05:44:19] <jmcp> http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/under_the_heading_of_why, incidentally[05:44:24] <Chattnos> jmcp: that is better than the g4 right I mean this thing is bitchin[05:44:33] <_Lewellyn> well, i only see 2 printer managers, and only auto-detection i see is for snmp[05:44:38] <jmcp> Chattnos: it'll be running hot, too :)[05:44:51] <_Lewellyn> cups on other platforms automagically finds the printer[05:44:56] <ry_laptop> god damnit[05:45:07] <ry_laptop> looks like I can not have active active with each interface with its own dedicated ips[05:45:09] <ry_laptop> fuck[05:45:16] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: when norm turns up, hassle him directly - he's da Man when it comes to printing[05:45:54] <_Lewellyn> well, i'm getting annoyed at reading this RFC on-screen and don't want to deal with finding the pointing device to the free mac :P[05:45:59] <Chattnos> jcmp: true but it is a decent grfx box 4 $200. besides the cats like to lay on when it is warm.[05:46:32] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[05:47:14] <ry_laptop> If it seemed to[05:47:14] <ry_laptop> work that way with the old ip_enable_group_ifs feature, that sounds[05:47:14] <ry_laptop> more like a bug. :-/[05:47:15] <ry_laptop> omfg :([05:47:35] <ry_laptop> I'm going to have to impelement this with vnics on top of aggregates... that's going to be scary[05:47:55] <Chattnos> so OSCE is the way to go? or just Express? and what kind of packaging systen does OS use?[05:48:07] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: document. and document well[05:48:30] <ry_laptop> yeah. seems like no one even considers this. they go active/standby, or active/active on the same switchin fabric.[05:48:38] <ry_laptop> which will overload isv's on the switches we have.[05:48:56] <h3sp4wn> Chattnos: SXCE is getting more of a pita to use all the time[05:49:02] <ry_laptop> so I want one address for aggregate1 and a second for aggregate2, clients will either be on switch 1 or 2 and use that dedicated address.[05:49:10] *** gnut has quit IRC[05:49:25] <ry_laptop> I COULD manually configure this or use sun cluster I guess.[05:49:49] <jmcp> Chattnos: I strongly recommend SXCE[05:50:23] <Chattnos> h3sp4wn: what would you suggest?[05:50:50] <alanc> for a SB2000 you want to do graphics on, you probably have to have SXCE - XVR-100 is the only graphics card OpenSolaris supports in that box - all the higher-end/3D cards are SXCE-only[05:51:41] <Chattnos> jmcp: pros & cons please and we are noobs.[05:51:46] <samc> how does the effect of link aggregation from dladm differ from IPMP?[05:51:54] <Chattnos> alanc: OS 8 or higher[05:52:14] <samc> will a member nic in an aggregate group not fall out if its link fails?[05:52:28] <Chattnos> alanc : http://www.sunshack.org/data/sh/2.1/infoserver.central/data/syshbk/Devices/Graphics/GRAPH_XVR_1000.html[05:52:38] <jmcp> Chattnos: I'm torn between saying "go read the info @ opensolaris.org" and "S10 is out of date compared to SXCE, and OpenSolaris binary distro on sparc ain't ready for sun4u yet"[05:52:52] <ry_laptop> out of its link fails?[05:52:57] <ry_laptop> what's that mean? :)[05:53:10] <ry_laptop> ahh. dladm is layer2[05:53:13] <h3sp4wn> Chattnos: Everytime you liveupgrade /etc/security/prof_attr and /etc/security/auth_attr get messed up) cde-login doesn't work with non US keyboards (and gdm doesn't have a console login option)[05:53:28] <ry_laptop> ipmp is IP layer 3.[05:53:38] <samc> ry_laptop: if you use ipmp (which is what I've always done for link failover under sol10) if solaris is no longer able to ping its default gateway out one of the interfaces in the group it'll fail it across to the other nic[05:53:49] <jmcp> h3sp4wn: if you've managed to get those files screwed up so often, why haven't you filed a bug about it?[05:53:50] <samc> I'm just wondering if aggregation will do the same thing[05:53:55] <ry_laptop> samc : 8nod*[05:54:03] *** luc__ has quit IRC[05:54:12] <samc> because that'd work *heaps* better for us at work, ipmp has always given us a bit of grief[05:54:12] <Chattnos> and linux just ain't up to snuff on sun4u right?[05:54:12] <ry_laptop> dladm is used with a switch that is aware of the aggregation.[05:54:25] <ry_laptop> othewrise... I'd probably use ipmp for everything.[05:54:27] <samc> ahh, right[05:54:35] <jmcp> Chattnos: I don't have any knowledge of how well or otherwise linux runs on sun4u/sun4v[05:54:40] <h3sp4wn> jmcp: It works from a clean install - I thought it was on purpose[05:54:43] <samc> jmcp: not particularly well[05:54:44] <ry_laptop> I think dladm supports round robin and stuff, at layer 2[05:54:51] <samc> jmcp: linux will work, but the performance on sparc isn't great[05:54:56] <jmcp> heh[05:54:56] <ry_laptop> I use lacp stuff with cisco switches.[05:55:13] <jmcp> h3sp4wn: my experience with LU over many many builds is that those two files don't get screwed up[05:55:29] <samc> ry_laptop: hmm, I'll have to have a play with it on one of the test boxes at work, it might be better for us[05:55:32] <Chattnos> thats what alot of the local LUG suggests as well stay native.[05:55:34] <alanc> Chattnos: the hardware handbook doesn't know about OpenSolaris on SPARC yet[05:55:40] <samc> ry_laptop: can you run snoop on the aggrX virtual interface and stuff?[05:55:41] <ry_laptop> samc ; *nod* I use both.[05:55:45] <ry_laptop> Yeah.[05:55:55] <samc> nice[05:56:00] <ry_laptop> build 106 and newer has some nice improvements too[05:56:02] <jmcp> Chattnos: and *that* version is one of dubious legal status, iirc[05:56:32] <alanc> in a future update, the hardware handbook will state "Solaris 8 through 10" only for XVR-1000 - it's not in OpenSolaris, being removed from Solaris releases after 10[05:56:37] <ry_laptop> Did you mean: "ipmp on top of conics"[05:56:41] <ry_laptop> lol google.[05:56:48] <Chattnos> jcmp: what version is dubious?[05:57:03] <samc> ry_laptop: so if the switch needs to be aware of the aggregation, does that mean you can't split the NICs across a pair of switches to cope with switch failure also?[05:57:05] <Chattnos> jmcp: what version is dubious?[05:57:11] <jmcp> Chattnos: sunshack[05:57:15] <samc> or can you make the upstream switch(es) aware of the aggreagation as well?[05:57:23] <ry_laptop> Sweet, looks like someone else has used ipmp ONTOP of vnics.. so I'm set.[05:57:28] *** AliBB has quit IRC[05:57:40] <_Lewellyn> alanc: but sun4u will be supported at least through solaris 11, right? :)[05:57:42] <ry_laptop> samc : Y ou'll want to use ipmp for 2 switches like that.[05:57:55] <ry_laptop> unless the switch explicitly set an etherchannel for those ports.[05:57:56] <samc> ahh yep, I guess that's why we're still using it then. ;)[05:57:58] <alanc> _Lewellyn: some sun4u machines, not all[05:58:05] <ry_laptop> Heh :)[05:58:10] <_Lewellyn> hm...[05:58:10] <alanc> Ultra 1 isn't even supported in Solaris 10[05:58:19] <Chattnos> jmcp: sunshack ? i'm sorry but you lost me[05:58:21] <_Lewellyn> well, i'm interested mainly in the v100[05:58:29] <samc> looking forward to the new ipmp stuff in clearview[05:58:39] <alanc> Solaris 10 will probably be the last OS to support the Ultra 2 as well[05:58:44] <jmcp> Chattnos: you quoted a link from www.sunshack.org[05:59:14] <_Lewellyn> the v100 is still viable for "single-tasking" "low-power" servers :)[05:59:43] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: itym "routers"[05:59:53] <Chattnos> oh. acoording to them XVR-1000 will run on 10.[06:00:00] <_Lewellyn> h3sp4wn: i see none of your issues with sxce...[06:00:21] *** wbkang has quit IRC[06:00:26] *** bcmfh has left #opensolaris[06:00:26] <_Lewellyn> jmcp: or a file backup machine or a "small" web server[06:00:27] <Chattnos> nods like I said resolution is about 1600x1400[06:00:33] <alanc> actually, in the release after Solaris 10, most of the late 90's/early 2000's era Ultra workstations will probably be either unsupported or supported only as headless machines once their graphics card drivers are dropped[06:00:41] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: nah, still "router" :-)[06:01:00] <_Lewellyn> jmcp: they actually run postgres decently :)[06:01:13] <fkr> _Lewellyn: which timezone are you in?[06:01:13] <_Lewellyn> jmcp: and mysql, if you HAVE to :P[06:01:13] <alanc> as for servers, I don't really know which ones stay or go - may need to upgrade RAM on older ones to have enough for ZFS root[06:01:23] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: heh[06:01:23] <_Lewellyn> fkr: US/Pacific GMT-7[06:01:26] <fkr> ah[06:01:28] <fkr> that explains[06:01:38] <_Lewellyn> fkr: my 28-hour days? ;)[06:01:40] <fkr> i see you at the weirdest times here :)[06:01:49] <fkr> considering that I am GMT+1[06:01:51] <ry_laptop> Hrmm, wait a second. I think I can get around this by setting a different subnet for each aggregate in my ipmp group[06:02:07] <_Lewellyn> alanc: well, a v100 is happy with zfs root with S10U6 and they're headless. so i'll stop worrying :)[06:02:17] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: ow :([06:02:29] <alanc> Chattnos: yes, XVR-1000 will run on 10 & SXCE, but not OpenSolaris - both SXCE & OpenSolaris are releases after 10 - they're sort of pre-releases of 11[06:02:31] <ry_laptop> ow?[06:02:31] <_Lewellyn> fkr: i'm on at the weirdest times, even for most american timezones ;)[06:02:55] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: that sounds worse than vnics on an aggr[06:03:03] <Chattnos> Well I must jump but will visit again. So I should not even mess with updating S10 (97 updates hanging)? Just try a version of OS.[06:03:04] <ry_laptop> Er, why ?[06:03:26] <ry_laptop> in some cases with zones I would have aggr -> vnic -> ipmp -> (zonevnic)[06:03:35] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[06:03:39] <ry_laptop> that's a LOT of layers for a packet to traverse.[06:03:51] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:04:21] <ry_laptop> the load spreading is currently handled by evaluating the ROUTE. So if it's an implicit route via seperate subnet, I"m good![06:04:35] <ry_laptop> Fuck, yes. TAking breaks before starting the next stage of work is invaluable.[06:06:37] <h3sp4wn> _Lewellyn: Have you liveupgraded this install ? Can you try - usermod -P 'Primary Administrator' user (If it only affects me it could be my fault)[06:07:22] <_Lewellyn> h3sp4wn: i've gone from 106 to 109 on this install and currently have 3 BEs. and i have 2 users with different roles attached and they've not been affected at all.[06:08:13] <_Lewellyn> also, not only are the 2 print managers confusing, they also both have the same drivers. and the printer i need is not listed, nor is the "compatible" one listed on linuxprinting.org[06:08:21] <_Lewellyn> time to poke at the mac[06:08:25] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[06:09:19] <ry_laptop> Hrm, the one problem is ipmp test addresses will only be testing 1 of the 2 subnets assigned...[06:09:35] *** Chattnos has left #opensolaris[06:09:39] <ry_laptop> I think I can live with that though.[06:09:41] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[06:10:01] * ry_laptop looks up how to have multiple test addresses[06:10:19] <h3sp4wn> _Lewellyn: ok thanks[06:10:51] <_Lewellyn> h3sp4wn: were you the one who gave me directions on Vuze, btw?[06:11:21] *** wbkang has quit IRC[06:11:51] <lukehasnoname> question[06:12:08] <lukehasnoname> how do people contribute code or add packages and projects to opensolaris[06:12:47] <_Lewellyn> that has been a common question this weekend...[06:12:57] <lukehasnoname> _Lewellyn: Sorry[06:12:59] <_Lewellyn> and i'm hoping to be wondering myself soon...[06:13:16] <_Lewellyn> no need to be sorry, i hope to see an answer:)[06:13:18] <ry_laptop> go to opensolaris.org/os/projectname[06:13:31] <ry_laptop> contact the project maintaner[06:13:33] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: what if it doesn't cleanly fit under a current umbrella?[06:13:35] <ry_laptop> maintain even.[06:13:45] <ry_laptop> well, contact whomever is closest :)[06:14:32] <_Lewellyn> my biggest issue with the projects is that they're overwhelming :( there's overlap between some and still gaps among all those projects[06:14:41] <h3sp4wn> _Lewellyn: Don't think so[06:14:55] <lukehasnoname> I want to find a place to restart learning how to program[06:15:02] <_Lewellyn> mmk. if you were, i'd point at those directions as they involved poking in /etc[06:15:08] <lukehasnoname> I'm a CS minor but haven't done serious programming in more than a year, and even that was toy stuff[06:15:24] <lukehasnoname> I want a relatively simple area of work to start, but I want to visibly improve something[06:16:51] <samc> lukehasnoname: there was a page I saw earlier with a bunch of bugs that have been flagged as "easy" ... I guess that'd be a good starting point if that's the kind of thing you're after[06:16:53] * _Lewellyn has a list of pet issues ;)[06:17:09] <samc> lukehasnoname: http://opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/oss_bite_size/[06:17:16] <_Lewellyn> like the network panel icon popping up baloons while you have its menu open :P[06:17:42] <ry_laptop> okay attempt 1 at this dual subnetted ipmp config.[06:17:45] <_Lewellyn> that should be easy to deal with: "if menu is open, check again in 1 second" or something[06:18:07] <_Lewellyn> it hasn't bugged me quite enough to fix it yet ;)[06:20:48] <lukehasnoname> hm[06:20:51] <lukehasnoname> guess I need to learn C[06:23:10] <samc> I taught myself c++ to fix an annoying bug in a debian package[06:23:20] <samc> that was years ago, and last I looked the bug is still open with no changes on it :([06:23:29] <samc> I submitted a working patch and everything![06:23:34] <ry_laptop> that's debian for you[06:23:37] <samc> heh :)[06:23:48] <ry_laptop> why I'm glad solaris is gaining traction.[06:24:14] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[06:24:42] <samc> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=222153 <- Feb 2004 :([06:24:56] <samc> yeah, the development speed in opensolaris is really exciting[06:25:01] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris[06:25:12] <ry_laptop> oh god[06:25:22] <ry_laptop> ipmp has been fundimentally changed so that I can not do it the old way[06:25:36] <ry_laptop> fundamentaly[06:25:38] <ry_laptop> curse my spelling.[06:25:52] <samc> ry_laptop: oh heh, clearview?[06:25:58] <ry_laptop> Yeah.[06:26:16] <ry_laptop> which seems to remove the ability to do the active/active topology I need to implement.[06:26:22] <samc> ahh, doh :([06:26:38] <ry_laptop> I really don't want to do this over vnics...[06:27:06] <samc> what is it you're trying to do? sorry I think I missed it before[06:27:08] <ry_laptop> would be more flexible. But, this thing's primary purpose is filesystem io[06:27:13] <ry_laptop> filer server.[06:27:16] <ry_laptop> er file server.[06:28:07] <_Lewellyn> samc: mozilla just closed one of my most-annoying peeve bugs as WONTFIX. from 2000. the reason? "we haven't fixed it yet, so it probably doesn't matter that much."[06:28:18] <ry_laptop> heh[06:28:32] <_Lewellyn> nevermind that people have repeatedly tried to get the info to figure out where to start fixing it. :P[06:28:40] *** goo1 has joined #opensolaris[06:28:48] <_Lewellyn> i'm hoping opensolaris doesn't get that bad ;)[06:29:20] <ry_laptop> Yeah :/[06:29:28] <ry_laptop> but if it does, there's always antoher opensource project.[06:29:32] <ry_laptop> that's the beauty of it.[06:29:43] <ry_laptop> "the hurd" anyone? :)[06:29:51] <_Lewellyn> what? 2gb filesystems? ;)[06:29:55] <ry_laptop> plan 9?[06:29:57] <samc> _Lewellyn: ugh, yuck :([06:30:02] <_Lewellyn> 3 computers to boot? ;)[06:30:07] <ry_laptop> heh[06:30:13] <ry_laptop> haiku?[06:30:20] <ry_laptop> based on beos[06:30:54] <samc> heh, poor beos[06:31:06] <ry_laptop> I think that was the first os I ever bought[06:31:09] <_Lewellyn> in my opinion the only "free" *cough* *hack* *cough* ( hate that term ) operating systems that matter are *bsd, linux, and opensolaris, right now.[06:31:10] <samc> it seemed like a great OS without a niche[06:31:15] <ry_laptop> god I wanted that to be successful[06:31:23] <_Lewellyn> samc: that's why haiku doesn't matter :([06:31:29] <ry_laptop> yeah, pretty much :/[06:31:37] <ry_laptop> all the good programer will get hired by a project out there[06:31:39] <lukehasnoname> I wish Ubuntu were based of FreeBSD[06:31:40] <ry_laptop> taht is not haiku[06:31:44] <lukehasnoname> real man's operating sysetm[06:31:44] <ry_laptop> heh[06:31:57] <_Lewellyn> and reactos is going to take so long to be useful that there's no way it will be useful.[06:32:09] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[06:32:17] <_Lewellyn> speaking of ubuntu ;)[06:32:18] * ry_laptop waits 10 minutes for opensolaris to boot :)[06:32:24] <samc> lukehasnoname: there was a project to combine the Debian userland with a Free (or maybe net?) BSD kernel[06:32:35] <_Lewellyn> yeah... is anyone working on the boot times in nevada, at least?[06:32:47] <ry_laptop> nah, don't work on boot times.[06:32:50] <ry_laptop> make it so we never have to reboot[06:33:00] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: that'd mean S4 support ;)[06:33:06] <ry_laptop> S4 support?[06:33:10] <ry_laptop> that a new mode?[06:33:13] <_Lewellyn> suspend-to-disk/hibernate[06:33:16] <lukehasnoname> samc: yes[06:33:17] <ry_laptop> yeah[06:33:23] <ry_laptop> is that acpi or software level?[06:33:28] <_Lewellyn> both, just like S3[06:33:33] <oninoshiko> the boot times arent that awful-bad[06:33:36] <ry_laptop> S3 is hardware.[06:33:44] <ry_laptop> hardware standby[06:33:49] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: they're noticably longer than s10 on the same hardware.[06:33:50] <ry_laptop> "sleep 3"[06:34:00] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: the os has to support it, too.[06:34:10] <ry_laptop> so S4 is in the hardware as well eh?[06:34:16] <_Lewellyn> afaik.[06:34:19] <ry_laptop> huh.[06:34:21] <ry_laptop> cool[06:34:23] <samc> I thought S4 was fully software?[06:34:40] <_Lewellyn> i know that i have used a few desktops that supported S4 and the spacebar would start their POST[06:34:41] <samc> in Linux at least, the kernel writes the contents of your ram into swap space, then reads it back when the kernel boots[06:34:57] <_Lewellyn> samc: that'd be the software side of it[06:34:59] <ry_laptop> Mother fucker[06:35:01] <samc> you pass a boot parameter in which tells it which swap volume to restore from[06:35:02] * _Lewellyn goes to look at ACPI docs[06:35:12] <ry_laptop> clearview supercedes ipmp completly[06:35:27] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: well you cant stop progress, and progress normally means more apps/code/power[06:35:31] <ry_laptop> so everything gets thrown into 1 ipmp group, which means IPs will use one primary interface always or load spread[06:35:31] <samc> _Lewellyn: I don't think the hardware even knows it's happening - the kernel boots normally right up until the point where it'd start init, but then instead it reads the ram back in from swap[06:35:42] <ry_laptop> there's no way to dedicate one ip to one interface. FUCK ;9[06:35:44] <ry_laptop> :([06:35:58] <_Lewellyn> samc: i looked. it was S5, not S4[06:35:59] * ry_laptop turns off the cussing vocabulary[06:36:06] * oninoshiko goes to check on pizza[06:36:15] <_Lewellyn> S4 -> S5/G2[06:36:40] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: progress does not have to mean slower, bigger code.[06:37:04] <lukehasnoname> Osol 2009.06 Beta is out[06:37:06] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: that's the kind of thinking that makes simple apps take 128MB ram[06:37:08] <lukehasnoname> I want Changelogs[06:37:11] *** sstallion has quit IRC[06:37:17] <lukehasnoname> I don't like how I can't find any shit about Opensolaris[06:37:21] <_Lewellyn> hm. based on which build?[06:37:22] <lukehasnoname> They need a WEEKLY NEWSLETTER[06:37:24] <lukehasnoname> 108[06:37:37] <lukehasnoname> I say beta, maybe not BETA per se[06:37:43] <ry_laptop> man, this is a BuMMER[06:38:00] <Topdeck_> Hi all, is there a way to disable reverse DNS checks when mounting an NFS share?[06:38:21] <ry_laptop> nfsd switch, no sure which.[06:38:40] <oninoshiko> _Lewellyn: think of it as bitter sarcasum[06:38:49] <samc> Topdeck_: have you got 'ALL: PARANOID' or anything similar in /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}?[06:38:50] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[06:38:53] <samc> (does nfs use tcpwrappers?)[06:38:57] <lukehasnoname> but seriously, Opensolaris needs a weekly newsletter like Ubuntu has. Not trolling: Ubuntu's weekly newsletter is really helpful, and comprehensive discussions on the major projects and news about upcoming stuff[06:38:59] <samc> lukehasnoname: http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=346595&tstart=0[06:39:02] <_Lewellyn> Topdeck_: not really. it's part of the design. add the machines to your hosts file.[06:39:13] <Topdeck_> samc: Nope, those files don't exist[06:39:51] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[06:39:51] <samc> lukehasnoname: ubuntu updates their repositories often; the dev opensolaris one only gets new packages pulled in once every couple of weeks[06:40:29] <_Lewellyn> anyone know if there's work being done to improve the chinese fonts included?[06:40:42] <lukehasnoname> Ubuntu updates its universe repos every day[06:41:01] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: and opensolaris doesn't.[06:41:17] <_Lewellyn> a weekly newsletter is useless in that case.[06:41:28] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: you subscribe to osol-announce?[06:41:33] <lukehasnoname> I think[06:41:40] <lukehasnoname> I knoe I subscribe to osol-discuss[06:41:56] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[06:42:07] <oninoshiko> just subscribe to the lists you are interested in (storage-discuss here)[06:42:39] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: you get emails like this one: http://nopaste.info/dea9877956.html[06:42:57] <_Lewellyn> note the workarounds and changelogs[06:43:07] <ry_laptop> Okay. I'm going to implement the vnic method tomorrow.[06:43:26] <ry_laptop> if that doesn't work. I"m fucked.[06:43:31] <ry_laptop> thanks clearview :([06:44:44] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[06:45:39] *** asarch has quit IRC[06:48:53] *** ball has joined #opensolaris[06:49:31] <ball> I'm almost tempted to try OpenSolaris on a legacy-free iPaq Desktop.[06:49:47] <ball> ...because I have one in need of an operating system.[06:49:56] <_Lewellyn> dooo eeet ;)[06:50:15] <_Lewellyn> define legacy-free, btw?[06:50:30] <samc> no serial/parallel/ps2/isa?[06:50:36] <ball> _Lewellyn: that mostly meant it didn't have serial, parallel or PS/2 ports.[06:50:41] <_Lewellyn> mmk. like the average laptop :)[06:50:43] <samc> I think that's what MS talk about when they refer to 'legacy free' anyway[06:50:58] <samc> personally i miss serial and parallel ports :([06:51:04] <ry_laptop> one advantage of vnics.[06:51:07] <ball> _Lewellyn: I suspect this was built around a laptop board.[06:51:07] <samc> serial ports make it easier to get onto consoles without worrying about usb/serial adapters[06:51:10] <ry_laptop> persistant ether addresses.[06:51:11] <_Lewellyn> the closest i have to "legacy" is a pcmcia slot and a modem.[06:51:18] <ball> What's vnics?[06:51:19] <ry_laptop> just have ot do a gratutious arp and good to go[06:51:22] <samc> and parallel ports are awesome for contolling homebrew electronics ;)[06:51:24] <_Lewellyn> it was a pita to find a decent machine without an expresscard slot[06:51:25] <ry_laptop> virtual nics.[06:51:41] <ry_laptop> laptops = bullshit[06:51:46] <_Lewellyn> samc: i carry around a usb -> serial dongle[06:51:48] <Topdeck_> _Lewellyn: thanks, that seems to have done it[06:51:53] <ry_laptop> I'm just going to use a cheap ass laptop from now on[06:52:00] <_Lewellyn> i haven't tried to use it in sxce yet[06:52:00] <samc> _Lewellyn: I do sometimes, but I'm pretty good at losing them :([06:52:17] *** deena has quit IRC[06:52:24] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: i highly recommend my model, if you are ok with 2gb ram[06:52:33] <ry_laptop> Nope, I'm not[06:52:35] <ball> I would have to prepare a disk drive in another machine and then move it to the iPaq[06:52:44] <ball> I have nothing the iPaq can boot from.[06:52:45] <ry_laptop> when/if my tablet dies. I'll be using a cheap d630 from work[06:52:47] <_Lewellyn> samc: they're $3-5 dollars online. i put them in my cart when i order other supplies :)[06:53:00] <_Lewellyn> ball: no usb dvd?[06:53:14] <ry_laptop> sick of laptops and their overpriced under performing, low reliability issues.[06:53:35] <samc> I haven't used the cable in anything solaris, but I have used my old pcmcia HSDPA modem in opensolaris, and that presents itself to the OS as a pcmcia USB controller with a usb/serial adapter connected to a modem :)[06:53:38] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: again, i'm impressed by mine. you'll see it in a couple days, though, i suppose :)[06:53:38] <ball> _Lewellyn: due to a firmware bug, this machine is unable to boot from USB DVD-ROM[06:53:43] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[06:53:46] <ry_laptop> *nod*[06:53:48] <_Lewellyn> ball: awesome! and no updates?[06:53:54] <ry_laptop> most laptops cost about $1000[06:54:04] <ball> _Lewellyn: no way to get an update on there ;-)[06:54:07] <ry_laptop> for something decent.. you know, you can get a monitor that does 2500x1600 for that much!?[06:54:17] <ry_laptop> F*** laptops[06:54:17] <_Lewellyn> ball: usb floppy ;)[06:54:30] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: someone said my model is about $200 now. i may buy one as a spare[06:54:37] <ry_laptop> wtf?[06:54:38] <ry_laptop> model? :)[06:54:44] <ball> _Lewellyn: it can't boot from USB floppy either.[06:54:50] <_Lewellyn> Satellite A135-S7403[06:54:52] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris[06:55:18] <_Lewellyn> ball: awesome ;)[06:55:34] <ry_laptop> Hmm, cool[06:55:42] <samc> my laptop is a core2duo 2.4, 3gb of ram, 160gb disk and a 1440x900 panel. Cost me NZ$1500, which is .. what .. US$750?[06:55:49] <ry_laptop> Heh[06:55:52] <samc> and that was probably coming up on a year ago now[06:55:54] <ry_laptop> 900 res :/[06:56:06] <samc> yeah the res is a bit of a bummer, my old laptop was 1680x1050[06:56:11] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: 1280x800, i945GM chipset[06:56:13] <samc> but I'm not missing the higher res as much as I thought I would[06:56:13] <lukehasnoname> Anyone want a gaming laptop for $650?[06:56:18] <ry_laptop> yeah. that's one of the many reasons I'm going on a laptop boycott.[06:56:26] <ry_laptop> my old i5000 had 1600x1200[06:56:29] <ry_laptop> it was beautiful.[06:56:38] <ry_laptop> my 12" tablet has 1400x1050[06:56:44] <h3sp4wn> I wish I didn't get this laptop (Has 1920 by 1200 though) might be decent with an external monitor[06:56:49] <ry_laptop> I owned a 15" macbook pro. that res made me wanna puke.[06:57:00] <ry_laptop> heh, 1920x1200 is okay.[06:57:10] <ry_laptop> the dells have that lcd.[06:57:13] <samc> I've never managed to catch the Mac bug[06:57:23] <ry_laptop> too bad dells have that fan issue where they all make a noise loud enough to hear across the roam.[06:57:29] <samc> the attractive packaging never seemed to be worth the price premium[06:57:36] <ry_laptop> I want os x and virtual desktops[06:57:51] *** libkeise1 has joined #opensolaris[06:57:51] <ry_laptop> but, instead of spendin the money on a mac, I could buy a 2500x1600 monitor :), actually 2 monitors for 1 macbook[06:58:18] <_Lewellyn> or you could wait for these sun agreements to result in solaris laptops ;)[06:58:30] *** anilg has left #opensolaris[06:58:30] <_Lewellyn> i'm willing to bet that they'll be relatively cheap[06:58:41] <ry_laptop> heh.[06:58:55] <h3sp4wn> Well if you look at past stuff then its unlikely (i.e Tadpole)[06:59:00] <_Lewellyn> i honestly wouldn't be surprised if my current machine is upgraded slightly as a solaris machine.[06:59:06] <_Lewellyn> h3sp4wn: x86, not sparc.[06:59:53] <_Lewellyn> in 3 or 4 builds, every device on this laptop should be supported out-of-the-box by opensolaris. well, except for the "media keys" and volume knob.[06:59:56] <ry_laptop> x25-e dropped to $419[07:00:03] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[07:00:28] <h3sp4wn> Everything other than modem + bluetooth is working on this (can run SLED out of the box)[07:01:08] <_Lewellyn> hm. i haven't tried the modem yet.[07:01:20] <_Lewellyn> and my bluetooth is a dongle; i've not tried the mouse support yet[07:01:31] <ball> Hmm... is 500 MHz (Pentium III Coppermine) too slow for OpenSolaris? :-)[07:01:38] <_Lewellyn> try it and find out? :)[07:01:48] <lukehasnoname> SPARC: Still has a point? Discuss.[07:01:56] *** div110 has joined #opensolaris[07:02:08] <ball> _Lewellyn: I should probably upgrade the RAM first.[07:02:08] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: irrelevant to current conversation. ask again later ;)[07:02:09] <h3sp4wn> lukehasnoname: It has a hell of a lot more apps[07:02:21] <ball> US$ 90 would get me 768Mbytes[07:02:29] <h3sp4wn> lukehasnoname: (and quicktransit is really expensive)[07:02:46] <_Lewellyn> ball: wtf ram does it take? PC100-LP ECC?[07:03:01] <ball> Yes.[07:03:19] <_Lewellyn> no way. low profile ecc? i only ever see that on 1U servers...[07:03:52] <ball> Well, it may not need low-profile[07:03:57] <ball> ...but ECC would be nice.[07:04:00] <_Lewellyn> but you're sure it's ecc?[07:04:05] <_Lewellyn> iirc, they're keyed differently[07:04:10] <_Lewellyn> and your board needs to support it.[07:04:21] <ry_laptop> okay fuck this, quakelive time.[07:04:31] <h3sp4wn> They are not keyed differently but you can end up with only half of the stick working[07:04:44] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[07:05:02] <_Lewellyn> ball: what's the largest module your board supports?[07:05:05] <ball> _Lewellyn: it'll take ECC[07:05:08] <_Lewellyn> and pc100 or 133?[07:05:13] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[07:05:19] <ball> _Lewellyn: 256 Mbytes[07:05:26] <_Lewellyn> 256. only? wow.[07:05:31] <ball> I'll check now whether it's PC-100 or PC-133[07:05:57] <_Lewellyn> the best i find for pc-133 is $25 per stick at 256 mb[07:06:00] <h3sp4wn> Sometimes you can get high density (single sided)[07:06:21] <_Lewellyn> $22 for pc-100 ecc[07:06:26] *** ai3nv39 has joined #opensolaris[07:06:49] <_Lewellyn> non-ecc is $13.79 per 256mb stick[07:06:58] <ball> PC 100 ECC non-registered.[07:07:15] <samc> http://www.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=10605 <- doh[07:07:15] <samc> A Security Vulnerability in the xterm(1) program delivered with OpenSolaris Involving the Parsing of Device Control Request Status String (DECRQSS) Sequences May Lead to Execution of Arbitrary Code[07:07:17] <_Lewellyn> i wasn't looking at registered[07:07:24] <samc> there's a good reason to upgrade from snv_106 ;)[07:07:25] <_Lewellyn> samc: ouch.[07:07:43] <_Lewellyn> samc: too bad i'm reverting to 106 later in a few hours :P[07:07:56] <samc> haha :0[07:07:58] <samc> :) even[07:08:05] <samc> im in ur xtermz, explotin ur accountz[07:08:06] <_Lewellyn> 107 and newer just is not usable to me right now :([07:08:21] <ball> Now that said, if I had US$ 90 to spend on computer stuff, I'd probably put that towards an Atom board.[07:08:22] <samc> because of the DRI/DRM stuff?[07:08:25] <ball> (or something)[07:08:25] <_Lewellyn> like hell i'm running random code people post, now! ;)[07:08:27] <samc> not fixed in 109?[07:08:46] *** ken``_ has quit IRC[07:08:48] <_Lewellyn> samc: well, i got S3 to work, and it resets X. so i'm assuming it's DRI/DRM[07:08:57] <samc> ugh, right :)[07:09:05] <samc> _Lewellyn: do you run random code people post at other times? ;)[07:09:08] <oninoshiko> ball: ive been thinking about doing that[07:09:13] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[07:09:17] *** ken1 has quit IRC[07:09:27] <_Lewellyn> samc: we had someone in here like 20 hours ago asking people to compile something and give him the output[07:09:30] <_Lewellyn> http://nopaste.info/567b56e484.html[07:09:32] <h3sp4wn> Has anyone managed to get a working mplayer with vdpau[07:09:34] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[07:09:37] <_Lewellyn> that's my "first impressions" from the other day[07:09:51] <h3sp4wn> (On Solaris obviously - any particular tricks)[07:10:15] <samc> _Lewellyn: ahh yuck :([07:10:30] <_Lewellyn> samc: the list has changed slightly. mostly additions :([07:10:34] <oninoshiko> I'm just wondering if i can get a good long life in an itty bitty liveing space[07:10:50] <ball> oninoshiko: Google for "weefab"[07:10:50] *** taltamir has quit IRC[07:11:18] <_Lewellyn> my only real choice at the moment is to go back to 106 and report my issues with 109 and hope that 110 is somehow better[07:11:45] <samc> _Lewellyn: doh, that's unfortunate[07:11:59] <oninoshiko> ball: Im refering to the atom processors... not a home... i have a home, which i quite like[07:12:11] <samc> hmm, speaking of .. is there any way to run newer code than the binary releases? can I pull stuff down from source repositories and build it?[07:12:18] <ball> I have a home which I would like to knock down.[07:12:18] <samc> not that I have any urgent need to, was just wondering if it's possible[07:12:27] <_Lewellyn> yes[07:12:58] *** ken has quit IRC[07:13:15] <_Lewellyn> but i don't trust that for my tracking-real-releases policy ;)[07:13:38] <h3sp4wn> samc: Some stuff is easy to build / use - some is a pita[07:13:41] <ball> oninoshiko: I think the Atom board I looked at maxed out at 2 Gbytes though.[07:14:00] <oninoshiko> i think knocking down mine would be a crime. (i have a thing about old homes)[07:14:11] <_Lewellyn> h3sp4wn: it was mentioned the other day how you build the whole thing[07:14:12] *** xy|ox has quit IRC[07:14:23] <samc> h3sp4wn: heh, that seems to be the way it always goes :)[07:14:36] <h3sp4wn> _Lewellyn: Building the main ON gate is not a problem[07:15:00] <oninoshiko> ball: ive been torn between trying an atom and getting a seaforth dev kit[07:15:06] *** ai3nv39 has left #opensolaris[07:15:07] <h3sp4wn> _Lewellyn: Its when you want stuff from different projects that all have their own gates based on different older ON revisions[07:15:23] <oninoshiko> memory isnt what im interested in, it's battery life[07:16:25] <ball> oninoshiko: I don't know what Seaforth is.[07:16:56] *** oxygen-a1dict has quit IRC[07:17:15] <h3sp4wn> samc: The problem is when you want newer stuff that each has their own version of the gate (based on an older ON revision)[07:17:19] <oninoshiko> ball http://www.intellasys.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Itemid=74[07:17:34] <oninoshiko> it's and embedded systems processor[07:18:02] <oninoshiko> 40 18bit cores.[07:18:10] <samc> h3sp4wn: ahh true, maybe it's just easier to wait for the builds :)[07:19:09] <ball> oninoshiko: how is your octal? ;-)[07:19:26] *** goo1 has quit IRC[07:19:56] <oninoshiko> ball: A little rusty, but my Reverse Polish Notation isn't bad[07:20:28] * ball grins[07:20:29] <samc> oninoshiko: think like Yoda, you must[07:21:03] *** goo1 has joined #opensolaris[07:21:27] <oninoshiko> I thing it would be interesting to experement with just how much one can intigrate a computer with one's life, but to push it to the extream you need something that can run for at least a day[07:21:35] <h3sp4wn> samc: Depends what it is and how much you need it (Some stuff you can build without building a full gate)[07:22:31] <samc> h3sp4wn: right now the only thing I can think of is lofiadm .. the binary I've got in opensolaris 108 doesn't like the -c flag for using crypto, even though the manpage claims it should[07:22:47] <oninoshiko> anyway, this is SOO far offtopic for this chan... and i am off to bed[07:22:58] <samc> but yeah, it's not urgent enough that I can't just wait to see if it gets fixed with 109[07:23:25] <ball> My head hurts so much.[07:23:50] <_Lewellyn> samc: i told you yesterday, it works in 109 ;)[07:24:27] <_Lewellyn> oninoshiko: which OSes like 18-bit cores? QNX?[07:24:28] <samc> _Lewellyn: opensolaris 109 though, or sxce? :)[07:24:32] <_Lewellyn> vxWorks?[07:24:42] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[07:24:57] <samc> _Lewellyn: I'd just assumed it was a packaging error in opensolaris 108[07:24:59] <_Lewellyn> samc: shouldn't that be the same? i thought most of the userland was just repackaged[07:25:12] <_Lewellyn> hm. i suppose i can lumount my 108[07:25:28] <oninoshiko> to my knowlage there arnt any OSes to run on that... it's for embeded work... I'd have to start coding[07:25:33] <samc> in theory it should, but it'd be unreasonable to expect it to happen perfectly every time :D[07:26:29] <ball> _Lewellyn: Occam? :-)[07:26:30] <samc> the opensolaris 101b binary doesn't mention -c in --help either, but I think the crypto stuff was pulled in since 101[07:26:34] <ball> Taos?[07:26:38] <ball> 2.11BSD? :-)[07:27:26] <oninoshiko> and im not sure I'd want an operating system in the traditional sense... just programs doing what i need running on bare sillcon[07:28:20] <ball> How much RAM with each core?[07:28:44] <_Lewellyn> ball: what's it say when you try to use -c? and the actual command you're trying?[07:29:40] <_Lewellyn> 26 lewellyn@cheshire-cat:/home/lewellyn$ pfexec /.alt.b108$(which lofiadm) -a /home/lewellyn/SDM/sol-nv-b109-x86-dvd.iso -c aes-128-cbc[07:29:40] <_Lewellyn> Enter passphrase:[07:30:04] *** sonne_ has quit IRC[07:30:29] <oninoshiko> ball: 64 words RAM, 64 words ROM[07:31:22] *** dec_ is now known as dec[07:31:29] <oninoshiko> plus two 10 element stacks[07:31:44] <ball> oninoshiko: I see that being useful for a very, very limited set of applications.[07:31:47] <samc> _Lewellyn: hmm, here's what I get --[07:31:47] <samc> blackrock:~ # lofiadm -a testfile -c aes-256-cbc[07:31:48] <samc> lofiadm: illegal option -- c[07:31:48] <samc> Usage: lofiadm -a file [ device ][07:31:53] <samc> (etc etc)[07:32:16] <_Lewellyn> interesting. i wonder if the -c option is "encumbered" or something[07:32:22] <samc> though the manpage says '/usr/sbin/lofiadm -a -c crypto_algorithm file [device]'[07:32:29] <samc> yeah, entirely possible[07:33:18] <oninoshiko> you'd be suprised what you can do with a limited resource when you dont have to consider portability[07:33:54] <lukehasnoname> e-pi keeps telling me they are going to make pkg and the naming scheme a lot easier to deal with[07:33:58] <lukehasnoname> question: When?[07:33:59] <ball> I have to go, fork's crying[07:34:05] *** ball has quit IRC[07:34:20] <e^ipi> lukehasnoname: when it's done[07:34:36] <lukehasnoname> goddamnit I was hoping you wouldn't be here[07:34:37] <e^ipi> it's a nontrivial amount of work[07:34:40] <lukehasnoname> cause that's a shit answer[07:34:44] <e^ipi> i'm always here[07:34:45] <e^ipi> *shrug*[07:34:50] <lukehasnoname> I don't care the answer, I just want an answer[07:34:53] <lukehasnoname> 5 years is an answer[07:34:58] <lukehasnoname> 1 week is an answer[07:35:00] <e^ipi> probably not 2009.06[07:35:08] <e^ipi> maybe the next release after that[07:35:09] <oninoshiko> when it's done is also an answer[07:35:36] <samc> lukehasnoname: you're getting pretty demanding, given it's a free OS that people are working very hard on ;)[07:35:37] *** sonne_ has joined #opensolaris[07:35:50] <samc> personally I'd rather have functionality over cosmetic stuff like package naming[07:35:56] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[07:36:09] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[07:36:31] <oninoshiko> any-who.. night[07:36:45] *** ken1 is now known as ken-work[07:37:14] <lukehasnoname> samc: 1) I like timeframes, proper projects usually have one[07:37:44] <lukehasnoname> samc: 2) Naming -> Usability. However, it is of minor priority[07:38:08] *** Gekz_ has joined #OpenSolaris[07:38:17] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: just like moving all the binaries around, it will probably take a bit of time[07:38:37] <_Lewellyn> looking in Solaris_11/Product, i see plenty of "new" names, already[07:39:03] *** Gekz has quit IRC[07:39:08] *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz[07:39:39] <_Lewellyn> it's not like anyone can give an ultimatum of "omgz! rename your package and make sure all dependencies everywhere are satisfied by march 31 or your package is dropped!"[07:40:42] <samc> are there plans for anything like .deb's 'provides / replaces' style of dependancies in ipkg?[07:41:01] *** gaveen has quit IRC[07:41:02] <_Lewellyn> samc: i'm not familiar with that dependency stule[07:41:04] <_Lewellyn> style[07:41:38] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[07:41:48] <samc> _Lewellyn: ahh, it's not quite dependancies, but it lets you say 'this package provides the functionality of <otherpackage>, so allow it as a candidate to resolve <otherpackage>'s dependancies'[07:42:13] <_Lewellyn> samc... lemme try to see, since i was wondering the same. i *think* svr4 lets that happen.[07:42:22] <samc> so there's a metapackage in debian called 'mailserver' or something, which exim, sendmail and postfix all provide[07:42:31] <samc> and any package that wants a mailserver but doesn't care which one can just depend on mailserver[07:43:26] <samc> I guess if you did that you'd want to extend it to SMF dependancies, and then everything just gets messy :D[07:43:55] <lukehasnoname> samc: You're thinking meta packages[07:44:15] <lukehasnoname> fake packages that depend on everything needed for a certain suite or functionality[07:44:23] <lukehasnoname> oh[07:44:26] <lukehasnoname> read what you typed[07:44:27] <lukehasnoname> yea[07:44:40] <samc> *grin*[07:44:55] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[07:45:13] <samc> it's the one thing I like most about debi/buntu .. the packaging system is fantastic[07:45:43] <lukehasnoname> I like yum's console UI better[07:45:55] <lukehasnoname> but[07:46:01] <samc> I haven't really used yum much[07:46:13] <lukehasnoname> I've only used it when I use Fedora[07:46:20] <lukehasnoname> which means I've had about 4 hours experience in my life[07:46:28] <samc> last time I used an RPM-based OS the package management left much to be desired, but that was around redhat 5 era :)[07:46:38] <samc> and I'm sure it's improved miles since then[07:46:53] <lukehasnoname> I would like to see apt-get have Yum's "look[07:46:54] <lukehasnoname> "[07:48:17] <lukehasnoname> I'm almost curious why they didn't grab a current packaging scheme from a distro and retool it[07:49:35] <samc> I dunno, debian packages have been around for quite some time[07:49:49] <samc> I guess when they developed it there wasn't anything mature enough to make it worth piggybacking off[07:49:50] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: because they all have flaws.[07:50:03] <samc> there's the GUI package manager in ubuntu now, which has a very nice look and feel[07:50:03] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: they also would puke with svr4 packages[07:50:10] *** prudhvi has quit IRC[07:50:12] <samc> so nice that the opensolaris guys based theirs very closely on it ;)[07:50:38] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: and you HAVE to support svr4 packages if you want to have people target opensolaris/solaris 11[07:51:29] <lukehasnoname> _Lewellyn: right[07:51:59] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC[07:52:05] <xRaich[o]2x> lukehasnoname: building deb packages for example is a bit weird. with IPS you only need to compile your stuff and upload it to an IPS server. pretty much like svn.[07:52:27] <lukehasnoname> xRaich[o]2x: I do know that debian packaging is unweildy[07:52:35] <lukehasnoname> any guides on making osol packages?[07:52:48] <lukehasnoname> I don't think the opensolaris bible covers that[07:53:00] <xRaich[o]2x> lukehasnoname: just check opensolaris.com wait a sec i'll get the link[07:54:12] <xRaich[o]2x> lukehasnoname: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/IMGPACKAGESYS/new-user.html[07:55:08] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: you could also look at the sw-porters community, i think[07:56:18] *** Lumberg has quit IRC[07:57:29] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[07:57:30] *** epitaphredux has quit IRC[07:57:32] *** epitaphredux has joined #opensolaris[07:58:03] <lukehasnoname> xRaich[o]2x: I was one link away from that[07:58:03] <lukehasnoname> heh[07:58:17] <xRaich[o]2x> ^^[07:58:52] <lukehasnoname> I'd like to see things like FreeIPA http://freeipa.org/page/Main_Page on Opensolaris[07:59:15] <lukehasnoname> which[07:59:22] <lukehasnoname> I know most of that is in the repos in some form[07:59:38] <lukehasnoname> but the idea of integrating and centralizing related tasks is good[08:01:21] *** div110 has quit IRC[08:02:03] *** Gekz has quit IRC[08:02:49] *** kforbz has joined #opensolaris[08:03:10] <e^ipi> lukehasnoname: patches welcome, blah blah, blog: http://i18n-freedom.blogspot.com/2009/01/submitting-packages-to-pending.html[08:03:21] <e^ipi> if you see a problem, fix it[08:03:44] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: also see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/sw-porters/[08:03:47] <_Lewellyn> lots of stuff there[08:04:31] *** parceval has quit IRC[08:05:25] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[08:05:31] <lukehasnoname> overload[08:05:57] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: there's plenty going on with packaging. it's hard to do right. don't rush people on it :)[08:06:07] *** hajma has quit IRC[08:06:09] <lukehasnoname> I'm not complaining about the overlaod[08:06:11] <lukehasnoname> load[08:06:23] <_Lewellyn> just sayin' ;)[08:06:34] <lukehasnoname> I need to learn C if I'm going to contribute to the OS at the OS leve[08:06:35] <lukehasnoname> l[08:07:11] <lukehasnoname> I know some python, bare C++, C# and Java[08:07:32] <_Lewellyn> you could also get involved with porting[08:07:51] <_Lewellyn> there's plenty of software out there that could run on opensolaris with minor patching, if any :)[08:08:24] <lukehasnoname> that could be fun[08:08:42] <lukehasnoname> fsck it's 2am[08:10:18] *** anilg1 has left #opensolaris[08:10:25] <_Lewellyn> it happens daily, yes :)[08:10:34] <dsch04> Mornin[08:10:49] <_Lewellyn> oh bah. not only am i not getting what i wanted done, done, tonight... but i'm on-site tomorrow. stupid windows servers.[08:11:04] <_Lewellyn> i really need to find a suitable replacement for windows servers over there[08:11:12] *** kate21de has quit IRC[08:11:39] *** kate21de has joined #opensolaris[08:11:44] <_Lewellyn> thanks to me, they really rely on the AD ldap schema now. :P also, they use exchange... :P[08:12:08] <lukehasnoname> Looks like FreeIPA is trying to replace AD[08:12:45] <_Lewellyn> i need something tried and true[08:13:40] <_Lewellyn> that's why windows server 2003 is being installed over there soon. we know windows servers work for their tasks. and we know that 2003R2 does everything they need. :P[08:14:07] <_Lewellyn> at least i never have to see nt4 anymore...[08:14:53] <_Lewellyn> ok. i'll stop dealing with this set of code and work on others[08:15:07] *** kforbz has left #opensolaris[08:16:03] <_Lewellyn> i think i am almost done porting one piece of software. i should polish that off tonight so that i feel like i did something useful.[08:17:11] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[08:17:11] <lukehasnoname> what are you moving[08:17:29] <_Lewellyn> a few things. you'll know as i finish them ;)[08:17:56] <_Lewellyn> fair enough? :)[08:18:06] <trochej> Coffee[08:18:30] <_Lewellyn> trochej: i just popped open a "Venom Black Mamba" energy drink. much better than coffee at midnight...[08:18:42] * _Lewellyn always hits a 1am slump. even when waking up at 10pm.[08:18:48] <trochej> I just started a day[08:18:59] <_Lewellyn> my day will have no night[08:19:26] <fraggeln> lewellyn: "black mamba" in sweden is a condom-brand :D[08:19:38] <_Lewellyn> fraggeln: woo! i'll buy even more now! ;)[08:19:55] <_Lewellyn> though that'd be a different kind of energy, eh? ;)[08:20:07] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[08:20:09] <deena> Hi[08:20:12] <_Lewellyn> hi[08:20:29] <deena> i configured interface in opensolaris[08:20:39] *** Deesl has joined #opensolaris[08:20:47] <deena> but my router is not pingable[08:21:10] <deena> what else i have to check in the system[08:21:47] <_Lewellyn> did you add a default gateway?[08:22:14] <_Lewellyn> netstat -rn | grep default[08:22:14] <deena> route add default ip[08:22:21] <deena> this is what i have given[08:22:40] <_Lewellyn> run what i just gave :)[08:23:06] *** olri has quit IRC[08:23:24] <deena> it is a live cd i have to boot the system and run...[08:23:34] <_Lewellyn> you should still have netstat and grep[08:24:04] <deena> what are the things i have to check[08:24:07] <deena> let me know[08:24:12] <_Lewellyn> what does it print?[08:24:43] <deena> ok wait i will take a out put and come back.[08:25:10] *** deena has quit IRC[08:25:10] <_Lewellyn> it should print zero or one lines :)[08:25:13] <_Lewellyn> or not.[08:25:37] <_Lewellyn> i foresee this taking a while[08:25:42] <xRaich[o]2x> gg[08:30:58] *** h3sp4wn has joined #opensolaris[08:33:19] *** e1mer has quit IRC[08:36:30] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[08:36:36] <_setuid_H> Morning guys[08:36:41] *** e-jat has quit IRC[08:38:48] <_Lewellyn> hi[08:39:23] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[08:40:39] *** robertbb has joined #opensolaris[08:41:21] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[08:41:30] *** tamr has quit IRC[08:45:12] *** Alasdairrr has joined #opensolaris[08:46:20] *** deena has joined #opensolaris[08:46:24] <deena> Hi[08:46:33] <deena> my router ip is not pingable[08:46:51] <deena> can anyone suggest[08:47:13] *** erast has quit IRC[08:49:37] <_Lewellyn> deena: what did "netstat -nr | grep default" say?[08:50:13] <deena> i got the netstat out put[08:50:15] <deena> let me paste[08:50:22] <deena> root@opensolaris:~# netstat -rn[08:50:22] <deena> Routing Table: IPv4[08:50:22] <deena> Destination Gateway Flags Ref Use Interface[08:50:22] <deena> default 192.168.1.1 UG 1 0[08:50:25] <deena> 192.168.1.0 192.168.1.5 U 1 56 vr0[08:50:27] <deena> 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 1 30 lo0[08:50:29] <deena> Routing Table: IPv6[08:50:31] <deena> Destination/Mask Gateway Flags Ref Use If[08:50:32] *** sophokles has quit IRC[08:50:35] <deena> fe80::/10 fe80::200:ff:fe00:0 U 1 0 vr0[08:50:37] <deena> ::1 ::1 UH 1 0 lo0[08:50:39] <deena> i pasted[08:50:46] <_Lewellyn> i said netstat -rn | grep default :([08:51:06] <xRaich[o]2x> deena: for pasting use pastebin not the channel[08:51:06] <_Lewellyn> i only wanted the 1 line :P[08:51:23] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: that's why i gave a command that would only give her a single line of output :P[08:51:23] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[08:51:48] <_Lewellyn> unless she broke things horribly, then, well... ;)[08:52:12] <deena> ok hereafter i use pastebin[08:52:14] <_Lewellyn> but yeah. you should have an interface there[08:52:20] <deena> i apologize this time[08:52:32] <_Lewellyn> deena: it would have been a non-issue if you had run the command i asked ;)[08:52:53] <_Lewellyn> are you rebooting into the livecd each time?[08:52:55] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[08:53:00] <deena> yes[08:53:03] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:53:06] <deena> i am fedora right away[08:53:10] <_Lewellyn> so it's a reboot each command, hm...[08:53:21] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:53:21] <_Lewellyn> let me think, so you don't have to keep rebooting :)[08:53:21] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[08:53:50] <_Lewellyn> unless, of course, someone comes up with an answer faster than i can :)[08:53:53] <deena> since it is not being connected to internet i have to and run the livecd and get the output[08:53:58] <_Lewellyn> yeah.[08:54:12] <_Lewellyn> i did not know if you were on a second computer this time[08:54:17] <xRaich[o]2x> doesn't your router have dhcp?[08:54:32] <deena> no[08:54:49] <_Lewellyn> how are you configuring your interface?[08:55:10] <xRaich[o]2x> tried route add default hostname -interface already?[08:55:13] <deena> at the first time my interface was not detecting so i downloaded packages[08:55:27] <_Lewellyn> if it's anything like sxce, you can use the network preferences to do all this with a gui[08:55:27] *** erast has joined #opensolaris[08:55:32] <deena> i did this one " route add default ip[08:56:05] <xRaich[o]2x> try assigning your interface to the line. might help[08:56:12] <_Lewellyn> deena: use xRaich[o]2x's command, if System -> Administration -> Network doesn't work[08:56:20] <svcadm> you might want to put the gateway ip into /etc/defaultrouter[08:56:29] *** linma has joined #opensolaris[08:56:30] <_Lewellyn> for the livecd, you probably are best off trying to use the gui tools[08:56:35] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[08:56:38] <_Lewellyn> svcadm: does that work for the livecd?[08:56:47] * _Lewellyn has never booted his livecd...[08:57:07] <svcadm> ahhhh .. nevermind ... I was thinking this was a boot from disk environment[08:57:20] * svcadm fades back into the fog[08:57:21] <_Lewellyn> svcadm: yeah. in that case, i've got a buncha suggestions ;)[08:57:25] <svcadm> LOL[08:57:41] <deena> see in the beginning my interface was not detecting so i downloaded package and installed[08:57:43] <_Lewellyn> i'm trying to think of what may work on an environment i've no idea what's included on[08:57:59] <_Lewellyn> deena: you reinstall the package each reboot?[08:58:02] <svcadm> yeah, that's always a barrel of monkeys[08:58:06] <deena> now my interface is detecting but thing is route is not pingable....[08:58:07] <deena> yes[08:58:20] <deena> since it is livecd i hope you know it wont be stable[08:58:21] <_Lewellyn> well, you can use /etc/defaultrouter then ;)[08:58:41] <_Lewellyn> cat 192.168.1.1 > /etc/defaultrouter[08:58:50] <_Lewellyn> erm, echo, not cat[08:58:53] <_Lewellyn> echo 192.168.1.1 > /etc/defaultrouter[08:58:56] <svcadm> if you have an IP set, and cannot ping an IP on your same subnet, then you're not on thenetwork[08:59:31] <_Lewellyn> svcadm: i have a sneaking suspicion that the package requires a reboot to detect the interface. therefore, it wouldn't work on a livecd[08:59:40] <svcadm> ahhhh ... gotcha[08:59:42] <_Lewellyn> lots of drivers are like that, by default.[08:59:53] <deena> but when i use kstat it it detecting[09:00:02] <_Lewellyn> but what confuses me is the vr0[09:00:06] <deena> i am able to plumb and unplumb the interface too[09:00:25] <_Lewellyn> deena: have you tried using the gui network configuration tool?[09:00:50] <deena> even that one is not helping[09:00:57] <deena> can you tell me the steps[09:01:03] <deena> to configure static ip[09:01:04] <_Lewellyn> mmk. then try /etc/defaultrouter[09:01:11] <deena> so that i will execute all those things[09:01:15] <_Lewellyn> i can't launch the network tool without losing internet access ;)[09:01:19] <_Lewellyn> i use nwam :)[09:01:34] *** goo1 has left #opensolaris[09:02:01] <_Lewellyn> but /etc/defaultrouter should work if it's there before you install the package and plumb the interface. if not delete the default route and add it with xRaich[o]2x's syntax[09:02:27] *** Alasdair has quit IRC[09:03:18] <deena> ok let me try this time otherwise i have to go for belenix_0.7.1 only[09:03:56] <trochej> Kawa![09:04:08] <xRaich[o]2x> Coffee?[09:04:54] <deena> ok thanks all[09:05:01] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[09:05:43] *** deena has quit IRC[09:06:05] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris[09:06:07] <_Lewellyn> caffeine![09:06:12] <_Lewellyn> speaking of, i need more...[09:06:17] <xRaich[o]2x> good idea[09:06:22] <xRaich[o]2x> i need my morning fix[09:06:24] <_Lewellyn> but i bet i'm gonna get yelled at if i run to the store right now :)[09:06:34] <_Lewellyn> hm. :([09:07:49] <trochej> xRaich[o]2x: You guessed right![09:08:11] <xRaich[o]2x> trochej: not very hard to guess considering that it came from you ;)[09:08:27] <trochej> xRaich[o]2x: :)[09:08:44] <d3xter> is there a howto to manage a dualboot with linux?[09:08:52] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:09:22] <_Lewellyn> d3xter: it's not hard at all. certainly not hard enough to require a HOWTO :)[09:09:24] <asyd> \_o<[09:09:35] <DTEIT> morning[09:09:35] <trochej> d3xter: Lots of, I belive, but it's rather easy[09:09:50] <trochej> d3xter: What distro you use?[09:09:53] <xRaich[o]2x> d3xter: just remember that you should use the opensolaris grub[09:09:57] <_Lewellyn> d3xter: let the linux distro install grub in its partition, copy the entry from /boot/grub/menu.lst and put it in solaris's /boot/grub/menu.lst :D[09:10:03] <xRaich[o]2x> or sxce grub whatever you use[09:10:03] <trochej> Yup[09:10:09] <trochej> It's one way[09:10:26] <_Lewellyn> trochej: it's the "easiest" way.[09:10:39] <_Lewellyn> you can also include your distro's menu.lst into the solaris menu[09:10:53] <d3xter> _Lewellyn: include it without any modifications?[09:10:57] <_Lewellyn> that's the "right" way in my book[09:11:03] <_Lewellyn> i believe so, yes[09:11:31] <d3xter> ah ok, so the next problem is how to mount usb[09:12:11] <_Lewellyn> d3xter: i'd personally take out anything "questionable" from the included menu.lst. like splashimage, default, etc.[09:12:28] <_Lewellyn> the # character is your friend ;)[09:12:44] <_Lewellyn> and mount usb where?[09:12:45] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[09:12:56] <_Lewellyn> asyd: should i get a shotgun and a dog?[09:13:02] <d3xter> not matter where, but with my 2008.11 it doesnt work[09:13:16] <d3xter> it just says "couldnt mount png ..."[09:13:22] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[09:13:37] <_Lewellyn> so on opensolaris.[09:13:52] <_Lewellyn> i dunno on osol 2008.11[09:14:31] <_Lewellyn> on sxce 109, i just plop my thumbdrive into a usb slot and it mounts[09:14:50] <d3xter> hm ok, then i upgrade my system first and then try it again[09:14:53] <_Lewellyn> it ends up in my "Places" menu and on my desktop and ...[09:17:24] *** sndcrb2 has joined #opensolaris[09:17:33] *** radsy has quit IRC[09:19:43] <_Lewellyn> where is the default gcc on osol, and what version is it?[09:20:03] <timeless> pkg search gcc ? :)[09:20:14] <_Lewellyn> SunOS cheshire-cat 5.11 snv_109 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris[09:20:16] <_Lewellyn> ;)[09:20:20] <d3xter> /usr/sfw?![09:20:29] <_Lewellyn> d3xter: you're on osol or sxce?[09:20:34] <svcadm> /usr/bin/gcc -> ../sfw/bin/gcc[09:20:40] <svcadm> gcc (GCC) 3.4.3 (csl-sol210-3_4-20050802)[09:20:47] <svcadm> that's on snv_106[09:20:52] <d3xter> osol[09:21:05] <d3xter> is there a big difference between osol an sx?[09:21:31] <_Lewellyn> d3xter: i'm trying to see if the path is different. i am pretty sure some things are in slightly different places on osol and sxce[09:21:48] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[09:22:45] *** kate21de has quit IRC[09:23:10] <_Lewellyn> d3xter: what version of gcc do you have, btw? since you are on 2008.11[09:23:43] <d3xter> _Lewellyn: dunno, atm i'm not at home[09:23:49] <xRaich[o]2x> i have the same version on opensolaris[09:23:53] <_Lewellyn> mmk.[09:24:03] *** JoergB has quit IRC[09:24:03] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: thanks. /usr/sfw/bin/gcc?[09:24:16] <xRaich[o]2x> /usr/bin/gcc[09:24:35] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: symlinked to/from sfw?[09:24:40] <xRaich[o]2x> yep[09:24:56] <_Lewellyn> kk. sweet. sxce appears to not have /usr/bin/gcc[09:25:01] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't use it that often. i prefer the sun compilers[09:25:22] <_Lewellyn> this thing has gccisms, so i want to be sure i'm using gcc ;)[09:25:37] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr. yeah gccism is pretty horrible[09:25:44] <_Lewellyn> oh hm. i wonder...[09:26:54] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[09:27:13] *** krdoor has joined #opensolaris[09:30:44] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[09:31:07] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[09:32:47] <ry_laptop> copule hours of quakelive relaxing:)[09:35:44] *** JoergB has joined #opensolaris[09:37:54] <_Lewellyn> fun[09:37:54] *** LuckyLuke has quit IRC[09:38:21] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[09:38:48] *** syd` has joined #opensolaris[09:40:19] *** Andrew1 has joined #opensolaris[09:41:37] *** dunc has quit IRC[09:42:27] *** LuckyLuke has joined #opensolaris[09:47:22] <lblume> Hi all, anybody here knows how to set up Solaris' sendmail to relay messages by authenticating the client, in my case a cell phone?[09:47:53] <_Lewellyn> that's a sendmail question. :)[09:48:15] *** twisti__ has quit IRC[09:48:16] <_Lewellyn> i've never succeeded at doing that, honestly. i use postfix for SMTP AUTH.[09:48:26] <_Lewellyn> you could try #sendmail or #solaris :)[09:48:56] <_Lewellyn> though, at this hour, both are probably about as lively as this channel[09:49:10] <lblume> Probably #solaris. I'm sure #sendmail would tell me to just recompile with SASL.[09:49:10] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:49:38] <lblume> What hour is it, exactly? Almost 5pm?[09:49:39] <_Lewellyn> #sendmail's been very helpful with oddness i've had to deal with, in the past. so you never know :)[09:49:39] <xRaich[o]2x> hmmm... i think i could fancy some breakfast pasta....[09:49:47] <_Lewellyn> 0150, here[09:49:53] <Stric> 09:51 here[09:50:06] <Stric> "What hour is it, exactly" .. is a pretty bad question ;)[09:50:09] <Stric> "All of them"[09:50:35] <lblume> Time for a cup of fresh green tea with the new crop leaves, exactly.[09:50:55] <trochej> Coffee[09:51:01] <xRaich[o]2x> irc... a place where time is irrelevant....[09:51:08] <lblume> Hey, I'm oddly surprise that nobody gave me the time in milliseconds since the Epoch encoded in EBCDIC.[09:51:57] <lblume> Is the geekiness level decreasing here?[09:53:01] *** gray-- has joined #opensolaris[09:53:11] <_Lewellyn> lblume: i was reading from the clock in my bar[09:53:24] <_Lewellyn> Mon Mar 9 01:54:38 PDT 2009[09:53:25] *** syd`_ has quit IRC[09:53:26] <_Lewellyn> better? :)[09:54:07] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[09:54:12] <lblume> It's human-readable, so it's disqualified as being user-friendly.[09:54:24] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[09:55:11] <lblume> I should feel offended. Do I look that much like a user?[09:55:26] <_Lewellyn> 1236589000[09:55:28] <_Lewellyn> fine then[09:55:40] <lblume> :-D[09:55:56] <_Lewellyn> 1236589030.626013474[09:56:01] <_Lewellyn> just to make you happier ;)[09:56:59] <lblume> Well, to be *perfectly* happy I'd need your stratum level and your reference clock, but that will do for late afternoon.[09:56:59] *** cydork has quit IRC[09:57:36] <_Lewellyn> that's actually a pretty good question...[09:57:44] <_Lewellyn> i wonder if i even am using ntp on this thing[09:58:15] <_Lewellyn> sure looks like not[09:58:44] <lblume> You're trying to give me some stale time, maybe off by one or two seconds even![09:58:45] *** tg has quit IRC[09:58:49] *** tg has joined #opensolaris[09:59:16] <_Lewellyn> ntp now enabled :)[09:59:27] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[10:00:09] *** chloros has joined #opensolaris[10:00:17] <_Lewellyn> i think i'm syncing to a stratum 3 via multicast[10:00:22] <lblume> Good, please give me some fresh milliseconds as soon as it's sync'd.[10:01:54] *** cydork has quit IRC[10:04:26] <ry_laptop> whew 2560x1600 res lcd's have broken the $1000 dollar barrier.[10:04:30] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[10:04:43] *** m0zzzy has joined #opensolaris[10:04:57] *** LuckyLuke has quit IRC[10:05:01] <svcadm> *drool*[10:05:24] *** chloros has left #opensolaris[10:06:58] <_Lewellyn> 1236589710.948160749[10:07:53] <ry_laptop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824113013[10:08:06] *** Lab-One has joined #opensolaris[10:10:06] <svcadm> I have never understood the whole "speakers on the monitor" thing.[10:10:18] *** LuckyLuke has joined #opensolaris[10:10:33] *** cydork has quit IRC[10:10:49] <monsted> that's more than just a monitor, it's a TV without the tuner[10:11:08] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[10:11:13] <svcadm> I feel the same way about speakers on TVs .... hate 'em[10:11:17] <ry_laptop> :)[10:11:35] <ry_laptop> that's what's keeping me from getting a new laptop.[10:11:38] <ry_laptop> I figure. "get a HUGE monitor"[10:12:09] <svcadm> hehehehe ... I keep waffling on whether to get a laptop[10:12:30] *** cydork has quit IRC[10:12:35] <ry_laptop> I'm thinking just use whatever cheap laptop on the road, and at home, have a beautiful desktop system, for cheaper than the laptop wouldbe.[10:12:47] <svcadm> yep[10:13:50] <monsted> i'm considering grabbing a netbook instead of the MBP[10:13:57] <ry_laptop> Yeah.[10:14:02] <ry_laptop> anything cheap really.[10:14:05] <ry_laptop> bed &[10:14:19] <_Lewellyn> see, i find that a laptop makes using the computer easier in bed[10:14:57] <_Lewellyn> and i have the same exact desktop environment whether i'm in bed, on a train, at a coffee shop, on a train, at a client's site... with or without network.[10:16:25] <lblume> Computers in bed.....[10:16:39] <ry_laptop> *nod*[10:16:40] <svcadm> lol[10:16:55] <ry_laptop> I figure, I"ll use remote access to get my environment wherever I am.[10:16:55] <xRaich[o]2x> coding in bed rocks[10:17:06] <ry_laptop> i can do a wake on lan[10:17:13] <ry_laptop> bed is for sleeping and fucking.[10:17:24] <ry_laptop> :O[10:17:31] <ry_laptop> gotta sleep now. heh.[10:17:32] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[10:17:42] <ry_laptop> One thing I do like about my laptop, is it's built in wacom.[10:17:50] <lblume> I'd have to take a vote with the other user of the bed, and I'm sure I wouldn't even get close to get a majority.[10:17:53] <ry_laptop> it's kind of nice tor ead on the train.[10:19:31] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:19:53] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[10:22:07] <_Lewellyn> the other user of the bed has an imac 24" on a vesa mount attached to an airdesk ;)[10:22:22] <_Lewellyn> while the screen is nice, it's not portable enough for me[10:23:06] <Stric> If you wanted something portable, 24" is the wrong choice[10:23:37] <trochej> :)[10:24:20] <lblume> On wheels?[10:24:34] <lblume> Would be pushable, rather.[10:24:49] <d3xter> is osol a rolling release?[10:25:07] <trochej> Rather rotfling, but yes. :)[10:25:55] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[10:26:38] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[10:30:17] <_Lewellyn> lblume: it's an airdesk :)[10:30:24] <_Lewellyn> www.airdesks.com[10:31:15] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[10:33:33] <lblume> Oh, I see, and there must be an optional feature for hairdressing as well?[10:35:36] <_Lewellyn> i suppose you could add a mirror on a stick :P[10:35:48] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: lol, that airdesk thing for cars looks amazingly useless :P[10:35:57] <_Lewellyn> for cars?[10:36:00] <xRaich[o]2x> yes[10:36:32] <_Lewellyn> oh yeah[10:36:39] <xRaich[o]2x> it's not even properly connected to the seat. what happens if you have to break real hard?[10:36:44] <_Lewellyn> a few local police departments have similar things[10:37:01] <_Lewellyn> you shove the foot under the seat[10:37:24] <_Lewellyn> ever got your hand stuck in that bit while digging for change? it's pretty secure on most cars ;)[10:37:40] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[10:38:50] <xRaich[o]2x> a cd case produces a force of about 5 kilos when you break real hard. consider that a laptops weights about 2 kilos+.... :P[10:39:15] *** pablomh has quit IRC[10:39:27] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[10:42:40] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: there's methods of securing your laptop. :)[10:42:53] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: we actually made custom shelving for our airdesk.[10:43:03] <_Lewellyn> had to, in fact. the imac's so heavy[10:43:40] <xRaich[o]2x> i'd trust a custom made one but that construction doesn't convince me ^^[10:46:37] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris[10:46:45] <_Lewellyn> the guy apparently has a shop in his basement or something.[10:46:53] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[10:47:07] <_Lewellyn> it's all definitely hand-made. but it's more stable than we had hoped[10:47:42] <_Lewellyn> it's really hard finding something like that for such a heavy machine :([10:47:51] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[10:54:06] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:55:15] *** pablomh has joined #OpenSolaris[10:56:56] *** cypromis has quit IRC[10:57:42] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[10:57:50] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[10:58:39] *** jteo has quit IRC[10:58:40] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[10:59:23] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[11:10:29] *** sonne_ has quit IRC[11:22:01] <_Lewellyn> i wonder how long before people yell about lack of "ls --color"[11:22:10] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[11:22:19] <d3xter> xRaich[o]2x: ping[11:22:29] *** linma has quit IRC[11:22:40] <xRaich[o]2x> d3xter: pong[11:23:02] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: they are already yelling ;)[11:23:21] <_Lewellyn> lblume: 1236594294.218886493[11:23:33] <timsf> slashusr/gnu/bin/ls --color[11:23:48] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: i've not seen complaints. but i've mentally filtered complaints about gnusims for years ;)[11:23:49] <d3xter> xRaich[o]2x: netter Blog :)[11:24:01] <timsf> (and happily live without proper ACL support... )[11:24:26] <svcadm> indeed ... ls -V is invaluable, and I like ls -F better than --color anyway[11:24:35] <xRaich[o]2x> d3xter: thanks ^^[11:24:39] <_Lewellyn> timsf: yes. but sxce (probably the "easiest" way to get "opensolaris") doesn't start with /usr/gnu/bin ;) (nor should it!)[11:24:46] <_Lewellyn> svcadm: agreed[11:25:07] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[11:25:48] <timsf> shrug, it's there if people want it (I too use -F instead)[11:26:48] * _Lewellyn hates --color being default on linux :([11:27:03] <_Lewellyn> almost every distro does it. and if you're on something that's essentially a glasstty... ow.[11:27:07] * xRaich[o]2x likes color ^^[11:27:32] <xRaich[o]2x> useless but pretty ^^[11:28:21] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[11:28:25] * lblume has been bitching about that stupid --color on linux that makes listing unreadable[11:28:52] <_Lewellyn> oh yes, whoever thought that dark blue was a great thing to use on black for executables... they need to be shot.[11:30:57] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[11:31:32] *** kimo^^ has joined #opensolaris[11:31:52] <lblume> Well, to be Politically Correct, I should say on GNU/Linux, and add that I've been known to beat up colleagues that thought it was a smart idea to copy the default GNU/Linux settings to Solaris' root account.[11:32:29] <_Lewellyn> lblume: not every distro is guaranteed to be GNU-based ;)[11:32:37] *** e1kg has left #OpenSolaris[11:32:42] <svcadm> but --color is a GNUism of ls[11:33:38] <_Lewellyn> therefore, not every linux distro is guaranteed to have --color ;)[11:33:54] <svcadm> hehehe ... indeed[11:35:10] <_Lewellyn> but all the "big" ones are as gnu as a wildebeest[11:35:32] <samc> lblume: why just GNU/Linux though? Shouldn't it be GNU/Xorg/sudo/pine/Tuxracer/Linux? ;)[11:35:55] <_Lewellyn> tuxracer is GPL, no?[11:36:21] <samc> it's probably gpl, but I don't think the GNU guys wrote it[11:36:29] <_Lewellyn> i think the idea is "Userland"/"Kernel"[11:36:50] <_Lewellyn> which is, of course, opposite of modern bsd ;)[11:37:02] *** B|nTaRa has joined #opensolaris[11:37:04] <_Lewellyn> "Free"BSD, "Net"BSD, "Open"BSD...[11:37:14] <samc> Xorg and tuxracer are vital parts of userland though ;D[11:37:17] *** kim0 has quit IRC[11:38:33] *** bnitz2 has joined #opensolaris[11:38:49] <svcadm> yeah ... I'm personally not a huge fan of the term "linux" meaning a bazillion different things. I had somebody at work (granted ... he is a web developer ... take that for what you will) ask me what differences there were between windows mysql and linux mysql. I just blinked.[11:40:21] <samc> unfortunately there are differences :([11:40:34] <samc> database and table name case sensitivity follows the OS's filename case sensitivity[11:40:38] <samc> which is a HUGE pain[11:40:49] *** jzu_ has joined #opensolaris[11:40:51] <jzu_> Hi[11:41:13] <jzu_> Does OpenSolaris support Fire 280R and Enterprise 450 hardware monitoring?[11:41:14] <svcadm> that is a good point ... *shakes fist* at case insensitivity[11:42:40] <trochej> Teraz juz nie mam powrotu[11:42:44] <trochej> Ech[11:45:46] <d3xter> xRaich[o]2x: hab da mal eine frage, zpool und zfs cmds sind doch auch nach einem reboot noch aktiv oder?[11:46:05] <trochej> Sporry for Polish[11:46:46] <tsoome> /kick :P[11:46:59] *** bnitz has quit IRC[11:47:00] <_Lewellyn> jzu_: you should be able to install the same packages as on solaris 10[11:48:25] *** aruiz has joined #opensolaris[11:49:18] *** kimo^^ has quit IRC[11:53:11] *** lblume has quit IRC[11:53:13] <tomww> jzu_: the few functions available on these platforms should work[11:53:30] <tomww> (that is prtdiag for temperatures and such)[11:53:49] <_Lewellyn> tomww: there's no "lom package" for those?[11:54:07] * _Lewellyn <3s the netra/sunfire /usr/sbin/lom[11:54:15] <_Lewellyn> it's minimal, but very script-friendly[11:54:46] *** cypromis has quit IRC[11:55:37] <jzu_> tomww: yeaaah =)[11:55:44] <jzu_> Linux doesn't support the hardware, sadly[11:56:55] <trochej> Yup[11:56:56] <trochej> Sadly[11:56:57] <trochej> Sadly[11:56:58] <trochej> Sadly[11:57:03] *** kd5pbo has left #opensolaris[11:57:30] <_Lewellyn> trochej: lay off the coffee ;)[11:57:35] <trochej> Sadly[11:57:38] <trochej> Hm?[11:57:39] <trochej> :)[11:58:02] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[11:58:47] <trochej> cypromis: Ok, firma juz wie[12:01:31] <tomww> the different workgroup server platforms have different LOM hardware[12:01:52] <tomww> some do really limited stuff, some have the full set of management caps[12:01:52] <trochej> Sorry for Polish again[12:02:03] <_Lewellyn> tomww: yeah. but i thought they all had a lom package available.[12:02:15] <d3xter> /wc[12:02:21] *** d3xter has left #opensolaris[12:02:25] <jzu_> trochej: oh well, 280R monitoring I2C devices are supported :)[12:02:29] <_Lewellyn> hell, if the netra/sunfire ILOM does... :)[12:02:29] <tomww> ans SF-280 and SF-450 have small ones (RSC)[12:02:31] <jzu_> so I'll run Linux on 280R[12:02:39] <tomww> 280 and I2C ?[12:02:50] <_Lewellyn> 280 has no i2c... o_O[12:02:52] <jzu_> tomww: yeah atleast it's in the kernel :O[12:03:04] <jzu_> _Lewellyn: BBC I mean[12:03:17] <tomww> 280 has a workstation mainboard with very limited management-bus[12:03:20] <jzu_> tomww: 440 would be nice Fire to have[12:03:23] <tomww> 450 is much much better there[12:03:44] <tomww> your electic supplier loves 450 more then 280 dor sure[12:03:46] <tomww> *for[12:04:00] <tomww> electric[12:04:08] <jzu_> CONFIG_BBC_I2C[12:04:12] <trochej> So I bought OpenSolaris Bible. If Moinak says it's good, it gotta be good.[12:04:15] <jzu_> that's the module in Linux kernel[12:04:19] <_Lewellyn> tomww: that's why i run v100s ;)[12:04:32] <jzu_> tomww: The BBC devices on the UltraSPARC III have two I2C controllers. blaablaablaa[12:04:37] <jzu_> tomww: that's what Linux kernel config says[12:04:47] <_Lewellyn> i really do want to drop a pair of SSD and lower-power, higher-performance, quieter fans in a v100[12:04:56] <jzu_> tomww: yeah =)[12:05:01] <_Lewellyn> max out the ram, and i bet it'd be more than suitable for stuff :D[12:05:02] <jzu_> tomww: we pay shitloads for the electricity[12:05:13] <tomww> well, I personally don't love Linux on Sparc Hardware, kind of step back because so much missing. Though I believe there are valid cases where it is right o put linux on such a box[12:05:17] <_Lewellyn> i can only imagine zfs on a pair of ssd[12:05:26] <jzu_> tomww: yeah[12:05:37] <jzu_> tomww: we run irc-shell / www-server on Linux[12:05:42] <_Lewellyn> jzu_: i've never had good performance with Linux/SPARC :([12:05:47] *** cypromis has quit IRC[12:05:47] *** arcame has joined #opensolaris[12:05:55] <jzu_> _Lewellyn: heh[12:05:58] <_Lewellyn> tomww: such as "too old for solaris" :)[12:06:21] <jzu_> :)[12:06:22] <_Lewellyn> like sun4m would be a candidate...[12:11:03] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:11:18] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[12:12:06] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[12:16:09] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[12:16:37] *** calumb has quit IRC[12:17:51] *** lesshaste has quit IRC[12:18:16] <gray--> we put zfs on 4 x 240gb ssds the other week, runs ace :)[12:18:23] <gray--> T5240s[12:21:40] <_Lewellyn> v100 != T5240 ;)[12:21:59] <gray--> oh[12:22:01] <_Lewellyn> remember that i was wondering earlier if v100 support was being dropped from opensolaris ;)[12:22:16] <_Lewellyn> it's a UltraSPARC IIe/IIi at 500-650 MHz[12:22:33] *** liza0 has quit IRC[12:22:48] <_Lewellyn> craptastic LOM and IDE[12:22:51] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[12:22:54] <_Lewellyn> otherwise, pretty solid machines[12:22:56] <gray--> i've used v120 and v240's quite a lot, am guessing that's the predecessor[12:23:04] <_Lewellyn> v100 is the IDE v120[12:23:26] <gray--> v240's are our real workhorses[12:23:29] <gray--> ah, gotcha[12:24:02] <monsted> well, would they drop the V100 but not the V120?[12:24:10] <_Lewellyn> with the prices you can get them at from companies migrating to new hardware, they're really hard bang to beat for the buck. especially when you consider their power consumption (the IIi, that is)[12:24:47] <_Lewellyn> monsted: dunno. they could drop most of sun4u easily. they could "unsupport" the old disk controllers. they could do lots of things.[12:25:58] <monsted> well, i suppose they could force the retirement of older hardware by selectively removing support for stuff in them, but i can't imagine it takes much work to keep the V100/120 supported[12:26:23] <_Lewellyn> i'd hope not. and they're still viable workhorses[12:27:08] <_Lewellyn> most of mine have been DNS and front-end webservers, it appears from the hostname stickers they've had[12:27:36] <monsted> small, not very power hungry, cheap, good-enough-for-alot-of-things stuff :)[12:27:51] <_Lewellyn> yup.[12:27:53] <gray--> reliable.[12:28:02] <monsted> as an alternative to buying a new little box that'll be idle most of the time, a T1/V120 is just fine :)[12:28:09] <gray--> few cpu fans going, but that's about it[12:28:11] <_Lewellyn> and if they're not good-enough, just throw another at it :)[12:28:41] <monsted> we had Netra 1125's doing backup work for years - nice little boxes[12:28:43] <_Lewellyn> i'm really curious if they really support 2GB DIMMs... that'd just rock...[12:29:51] <monsted> one of them survived a few months in a shipping container with temperatures varying from freezing to 45 degrees C while salty sprays from the nearby harbor blew into the container[12:30:30] <monsted> everything came back with a millimeter of caked on salt on every internal surface :)[12:31:00] <gray--> bit of soap and water :P[12:31:15] <monsted> we threw it all in the bin[12:31:55] <_Lewellyn> monsted: was it on? :D[12:32:19] <monsted> yes, it was streaming video all the time it was sitting there[12:32:24] <_Lewellyn> sweetness![12:32:57] <monsted> windows boxes for encoding, sun box for serving "Real", multiplexers back at our datacenter[12:33:15] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:33:24] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[12:33:33] <_Lewellyn> neatness[12:34:03] *** e-jat has quit IRC[12:34:14] <monsted> ducttape and chewing gum solution, but it worked brilliantly as long as the people in the control room kept their hands off the "internet stop" button :)[12:34:43] <monsted> they didn't know what it did, so they played with it quite a bit in the beginning, switching us to a test pattern and back :)[12:34:47] *** urbanmonk has quit IRC[12:35:00] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[12:35:28] *** e-jat has quit IRC[12:35:43] <monsted> (we did live-streaming of the first seasons of Big Brother here)[12:36:21] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[12:36:23] *** qiyong has quit IRC[12:40:45] *** CyberBlue has joined #opensolaris[12:42:19] *** krisis has joined #opensolaris[12:43:11] <_Lewellyn> oh neat[12:46:21] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:46:56] *** inaddy has quit IRC[12:52:20] *** liza0 has quit IRC[12:52:36] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[12:54:54] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[13:01:09] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[13:12:12] <flyingparchment> for persistent .1q interfaces, is it enough to just create /etc/hostname.e1000g100000 or whatever?[13:12:54] * _Lewellyn has no clue[13:13:11] <_Lewellyn> all i know is that this code may actually compile this time! woo![13:13:32] <_Lewellyn> i think i got this stupid build system to finally take -lnsl -lsocket![13:13:43] <_Lewellyn> take that, "linux-specific" code! :D[13:14:33] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[13:14:38] <_Lewellyn> hah! awesome! :D[13:15:04] <_Lewellyn> very. awesome. :D[13:17:51] *** Cass1 has joined #opensolaris[13:18:23] *** e-jat has quit IRC[13:21:22] *** calumb_ has joined #opensolaris[13:25:07] <trochej> Coffee[13:26:06] *** bigjocker has quit IRC[13:26:47] *** calum_ has joined #opensolaris[13:29:04] *** calumb has quit IRC[13:29:59] *** teknoprep has joined #opensolaris[13:30:13] <teknoprep> can i turn off 64bit kernel load at boot within the grub menu ?[13:30:18] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[13:30:27] <_Lewellyn> teknoprep: yes. you usually don't want to. ;)[13:30:40] <teknoprep> _Lewellyn, i would like to see if it is the problem[13:30:44] <teknoprep> _Lewellyn, how would i do this[13:30:45] <_Lewellyn> solaris 10 actually had a grub option for that. but i think few people use it.[13:30:51] <_Lewellyn> i forget? :)[13:30:54] <_Lewellyn> give me a moment[13:30:54] <teknoprep> heh[13:30:56] <teknoprep> ok[13:31:58] *** calumb_ has quit IRC[13:33:03] <_Lewellyn> ok, if this is for quick-and-dirty testing, this is how i'd do it... make a copy of the grub entry you are wanting to use. give it a new title. remove the $ISADIR/ from each line in it.[13:33:21] <_Lewellyn> it should then force a 32-bit kernel. watch the screen at boot and it should be on the first line, saying so :)[13:36:04] <_Lewellyn> i also have questions about dependencies, if anyone has time :)[13:37:25] <codestr0m> I need to find more mentors and organizational support, but here's my rough draft for GSoC zfs ideas http://www.osunix.org/docs/DOC-1022[13:37:47] <codestr0m> please review and either make corrections/additions or ping me and I'll update[13:37:51] <_Lewellyn> oh, that last line of mine was in the wrong channel :P[13:38:00] <_Lewellyn> yay 5:30 am and still awake.[13:38:36] <teknoprep> _Lewellyn, thanx... going to try something else for right now...[13:39:10] <_Lewellyn> teknoprep: that's certainly not the "right" way, but it takes like 10 seconds to do... so it's "good enough" for testing :)[13:41:03] *** ttmrichter_ has quit IRC[13:41:18] *** ken-work has quit IRC[13:41:43] <ewdafa> hmm[13:41:45] <ewdafa> so i mean[13:41:52] <ewdafa> do you guys really vouch for eBuyer.com?[13:42:42] *** ttmrichter_ has joined #opensolaris[13:45:52] <_Lewellyn> what's ebuyer.com?[13:48:24] *** yarihm has quit IRC[13:48:54] *** calum_ is now known as calLNCH[13:52:46] <ewdafa> wrong channel[13:52:49] <ewdafa> :>[13:54:17] <_Lewellyn> heh. i'm not the only one mixing up channels, at least :D[13:56:35] *** Cope_ is now known as Cope[13:58:02] <timsf> codestr0m: "Automatic remote or local sends and merging it with the auto-snapshot" we sort of do this, just not offically[13:58:39] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/timf/resource/README.zfs-auto-snapshot.txt - see "zfs/backup"[13:58:50] <timsf> I'd always intended to do it 'properly' though,[13:59:26] <teknoprep> whats the best way to get a list of available HDD's on my system[13:59:27] <timsf> that is query a list of remote snapshots, and determine which are common between the recving and sending side, so as to determine the best snapshot to "-I" from.[13:59:33] <teknoprep> i thought it was #fdisk -l[13:59:37] <codestr0m> timsf: that came from an ex member of the zfs team actually[13:59:47] <timsf> er, who?[14:00:08] <timsf> teknoprep: "echo | format -e"[14:00:14] <teknoprep> thats it[14:00:16] <teknoprep> format[14:00:19] <teknoprep> not fdisk[14:00:25] <teknoprep> i looked through man fdisk for a list option[14:00:27] <teknoprep> i was gong mad[14:01:21] <timsf> (you may well be regardless of getting this one right :-)[14:02:17] <teknoprep> hmm[14:03:36] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[14:03:59] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[14:05:50] <timsf> [ I'll likely attack the problem again once we get[14:05:54] <timsf> 6352014 'zfs list' should have an option to only present direct descendents or[14:06:02] <timsf> 6762432 zfs list --depth ][14:06:21] <codestr0m> timsf: in re: to the gsoc.. Mr. Eilling forwarded me some notes.. that's why it's on the list[14:06:50] <timsf> Oh right - yep, talked to Richard a bit about that one alright.[14:07:43] <codestr0m> timsf: since you're on irc already it would be great if you could mentor[14:08:45] <teknoprep> how do i create a slice ?[14:09:02] <teknoprep> fdisk /dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s0[14:09:09] <timsf> I'd be happy to informally mentor[14:09:13] <teknoprep> would that create the slice for me or would i have to do something else ?[14:09:28] <timsf> but only for that project idea - don't have enough zfs code expertise for the other bits[14:09:31] <codestr0m> timsf: great.. would you mind adding another channel to autojoin then #osunix[14:09:44] <timsf> why?[14:09:51] <teknoprep> to support them[14:09:55] <teknoprep> in there quest to get bigger[14:09:55] <codestr0m> because that's where any gsoc related stuff with students will be[14:10:18] <codestr0m> teknoprep: no. there's nobody there except people interested in gsoc[14:10:29] <codestr0m> the quest to get /bigger/ is #ospkg[14:10:57] <timsf> get them to join #opensolaris too[14:11:05] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[14:11:20] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[14:11:26] <codestr0m> timsf: too noisy.. If that project is accepted then I'll make a mental note for them to ping you on here if stuck/backup[14:11:51] <timsf> Sounds good[14:11:57] <codestr0m> thanks[14:17:02] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[14:18:29] *** ken has quit IRC[14:19:04] *** ktne has joined #opensolaris[14:19:08] <ktne> hello[14:19:14] *** e1mer has quit IRC[14:19:23] <ktne> is there any way i can mount an ext3 partition in rw mode?[14:19:52] <ktne> i've downloaded some ext2 driver but it has just ro mode, at least this is what it reports each time i try to write something[14:20:55] <_Lewellyn> afaik, everything's still read-only for ext? filesystems[14:21:24] <_Lewellyn> ext? is a terrible choice for interchange, anyhow :P[14:21:46] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[14:22:13] <_Lewellyn> oh wait. i guess the ext3 driver does support writes[14:22:17] *** loke_ has joined #opensolaris[14:22:25] <ktne> which ext3 driver?[14:22:28] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[14:22:42] <ktne> i have FSWpart, FSWfsmisc[14:22:45] <_Lewellyn> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ext3/[14:23:07] *** loke has quit IRC[14:23:22] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[14:23:32] <_Lewellyn> it looks like it takes a bit of configuration to get it building[14:23:42] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC[14:23:59] <ktne> is opensolaris.org down?[14:25:16] <_Lewellyn> no[14:25:27] *** Davey has joined #opensolaris[14:25:30] <_Lewellyn> it's just slow until they get some stuff done by the end of the month[14:25:54] <ktne> very slow :)[14:26:00] <_Lewellyn> yes :([14:26:24] <_Lewellyn> read that Project Status page carefully, btw[14:29:36] <ktne> is it ok to do a cat /dev/dsk/c3d0p1| gzip -c > c3d0p1-bak.gz to backup a partition?[14:29:58] <ktne> i want to delete a primary ntfs partition and use something else for interexchange[14:30:46] <teknoprep> how do i create a splice ?[14:30:50] <teknoprep> or slice[14:30:57] <teknoprep> i need c0t1d0s0[14:31:22] <teknoprep> that was i can zpool add rpool c0t1d0s0[14:32:17] *** 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this is older hardware i am getting alot of AMD64 log errors[14:58:37] <fraggeln> you cant switch when running.[14:58:45] <teknoprep> yes how do i switch to 32bit kernel next time i boot[14:58:53] <teknoprep> it is auto selecting the 64bit kernel at boot time[14:58:54] <CIA-40> Thirumalai Srinivasan <Thirumalai.Srinivasan at Sun dot COM>: 6808883 panic in mac_rx() because invalid mci_flent_list[14:59:02] <_Lewellyn> teknoprep: the easiest way is the way i said earlier :P[14:59:10] <_Lewellyn> at least for test purposes[14:59:12] <teknoprep> whats the "best" way[14:59:13] <fraggeln> teknoprep: http://blogs.sun.com/alta/entry/boot_into_32_bit_kernel[14:59:15] <fraggeln> there you go[14:59:18] <teknoprep> ty fraggeln[14:59:24] <fraggeln> the sun way.[14:59:40] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris[14:59:40] <fraggeln> now its time to go home.[15:01:13] *** calLNCH has quit IRC[15:01:34] <_Lewellyn> heh. i gave the sun way :)[15:01:51] <_Lewellyn> except for the eeprom line[15:02:25] <_Lewellyn> just do the eeprom line and ignore changing the grub config[15:02:53] <teknoprep> hey _Lewellyn yeah i noticed that[15:02:54] <teknoprep> ggz[15:03:03] *** digifor has quit IRC[15:03:37] <_Lewellyn> the eeprom line is how i'd do it on sparc. i just don't know what's supported by eeprom on x86 and haven't made it a point to look.[15:04:21] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[15:10:02] <teknoprep> so anyone on that creating a slice ?[15:10:05] <teknoprep> or formating a slice[15:10:10] <teknoprep> or giving a slice some storage space[15:10:12] <teknoprep> i can't do this[15:10:34] <teknoprep> zfs attach rpool c0t0d0s0 c0t1d0s0[15:10:37] <teknoprep> give I/O error[15:12:17] <tsoome> you cant just attach random slice, it must be same size (or larger)[15:14:51] *** allquixotic has joined #opensolaris[15:15:40] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[15:15:42] *** B|nTaRa-- has joined #opensolaris[15:16:42] *** Gekz has quit IRC[15:16:53] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[15:19:35] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[15:19:50] <teknoprep> tsoome, they are the same size[15:19:56] <teknoprep> tsoome, the slice doesn't exist[15:20:08] <teknoprep> tsoome, how do i create the slice c0t0d0s0[15:20:15] *** wdp has quit IRC[15:20:18] <teknoprep> c0t1d0s0[15:20:34] <tsoome> if it does not exist, how it can be same size?[15:20:40] *** miki has joined #opensolaris[15:20:43] <teknoprep> the disk is the same size[15:20:46] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: i wasn't brave enough to ask that...[15:20:50] <_Lewellyn> s0 is not a disk[15:20:52] <_Lewellyn> it's a slice.[15:20:54] <teknoprep> d0 is the disk[15:20:57] <teknoprep> jfc i know this[15:21:08] <tsoome> d0 is lun:P[15:21:21] <tsoome> if you wanna be exact:D[15:21:24] <teknoprep> what i don't know is s0.. how to create that[15:21:34] <_Lewellyn> format[15:21:37] <tsoome> format, partition[15:21:40] *** SeJo is now known as masterhumper[15:21:47] <teknoprep> i found that much info out[15:21:50] *** masterhumper is now known as sejo[15:21:53] <teknoprep> not really understanding the idea behind it tho[15:22:00] <miki> does anyone tried to setup vodafone internet key 3g on opensolaris?[15:22:12] <tsoome> are the disks identical?[15:22:12] * _Lewellyn leaves this to others, so he can finish what he was doing[15:22:16] <teknoprep> tsoome, yes[15:22:30] <teknoprep> 2 72GB scsi 10k rpm drives[15:22:37] *** _Steve_ has quit IRC[15:22:45] <tsoome> sparc or x86?[15:22:49] <teknoprep> x86[15:23:13] <tsoome> your current boot is 100% allocated for solaris?[15:23:19] <teknoprep> yup[15:23:22] <teknoprep> all 72GB[15:23:25] <tsoome> or is there any other os[15:23:27] <teknoprep> is allocated for ZFS[15:23:27] <tsoome> ah ok[15:23:47] <tsoome> so, format, select non-boot disk, fdisk[15:23:48] <teknoprep> the first disk is already setup inside of rpool[15:23:59] <tsoome> make sure you have solaris fdisk partition there[15:24:09] <teknoprep> is there a tutorial on how to do this out there[15:24:14] <tsoome> if its not there, create it[15:24:19] <tsoome> man google[15:24:26] <teknoprep> i would not be here[15:24:30] <teknoprep> if i have not looked on google[15:24:39] <teknoprep> there is like everything i need to know out there but what i need to know now[15:24:40] <monsted> [monsted@rootweiler ~]$ man google[15:24:40] <monsted> No manual entry for google[15:24:56] <tsoome> its time to write one![15:25:06] <tsoome> someone please create RFE[15:25:17] <tsoome> :D[15:25:30] <asyd> :)[15:25:36] <asyd> "Buy a brain."[15:25:40] <asyd> with this contents[15:25:46] <monsted> just make "man" say "Just f* google it" instead of "no manual entry" :)[15:26:49] <tsoome> tbh, if you cant find from google how to create partitions in folaris and how to set up mirror for rpool, you need to learn to google:D[15:26:58] *** _Steve_ has joined #opensolaris[15:27:06] *** tg__ has joined #opensolaris[15:27:28] <teknoprep> i usually donm't have this issue[15:27:57] <teknoprep> tbh, fdisk blows my nuts[15:28:01] <teknoprep> and it alwasy has[15:28:47] <_Lewellyn> buy a sparc :)[15:28:52] <teknoprep> why ?[15:29:43] <tsoome> fdisk? howcome?[15:29:49] <monsted> use gpt![15:30:19] <tsoome> only thing you need to do with fdisk is to create single 100% solaris partition. thats all.[15:31:07] *** flyankur has joined #opensolaris[15:31:45] *** B|nTaRa has quit IRC[15:32:50] <flyankur> hey all !! Need an Urgent help . How to undelete files in opensolaris, which by mistake i deleted remotly . :( i screwd my web server. Ny help plz[15:33:00] *** B|nTaRa-- is now known as B|nTaRa[15:33:13] <teknoprep> so i did format[15:33:16] <teknoprep> selected the disk[15:33:20] <teknoprep> typed fdisk[15:33:24] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[15:33:29] <teknoprep> selected create partition[15:33:31] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[15:33:34] <teknoprep> selected solaris type[15:33:39] <teknoprep> 100% and all that[15:33:45] <teknoprep> and it still gives an I/O error[15:33:46] <teknoprep> wtf[15:33:50] <flyankur> I just syncronised an empty directory of my local computer to the htdocs folder in coolstack , instead of the reverse..[15:33:56] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[15:34:04] <flyankur> Plz .. ny one !! how to recover deleted files[15:34:07] *** oninoshik1 has joined #opensolaris[15:34:27] <tsoome> check cabling and dip switches[15:34:48] <tsoome> on hdd[15:35:05] <teknoprep> no its writable[15:35:07] <teknoprep> and its fine[15:35:30] <Stric> flyankur: Do you have snapshots? (zfs list -t snapshot) or other backups?[15:35:33] <teknoprep> do i want soalris or solaris2 id's ?[15:35:48] <tsoome> solaris 2[15:35:53] <tsoome> soesnt matter really[15:35:53] <teknoprep> thats what i am using[15:35:58] <tsoome> doesnt*[15:36:00] <flyankur> Stric: no, i didnt !! :([15:37:08] <Stric> flyankur: Then I guess your data wasn't important afterall.. right?[15:37:10] <tsoome> are you sure you are not attempting to nuke your current disk in rpool?;)[15:38:14] <teknoprep> tsoome no its the right disk[15:38:28] <teknoprep> jfc this is f'n bs[15:38:33] <teknoprep> i have never had such a hard time[15:38:35] <tsoome> well, how you know its really writeable?[15:38:47] <flyankur> Ultra-important !! it was Learning managment system of my college , made on drupal . I am new to solaris, used solaris, coz with coolstack drupal is fast.[15:38:55] <teknoprep> becuase i had another OS installed on this drive like 2 hours ago[15:39:00] <teknoprep> on all the drives[15:39:05] <tsoome> ah ok[15:39:18] <tsoome> so the physical setup should be good[15:39:24] <teknoprep> i have no idea[15:39:30] <teknoprep> i don't usually worry about partitioning drives[15:39:33] <teknoprep> within solaris[15:39:47] <flyankur> Stric: I have a backup but , that is quite old, 12 days. I made some very important changes in it .[15:39:50] <teknoprep> i usually just... zfs attach rpool <first drive> <second drive>[15:40:10] <teknoprep> bash-3.2# zpool attach rpool c0t0d0s0 c0t1d0s0[15:40:10] <teknoprep> cannot open '/dev/dsk/c0t1d0s0': I/O error[15:40:49] <teknoprep> 1 Active Solaris2 1 8854 8854 100[15:40:57] <Stric> flyankur: Unfortunately, there's no magic easy undelete command..[15:41:05] <teknoprep> thats what is says inside fdisk after i format the disk.. then type fdisk[15:41:07] *** axisys has quit IRC[15:41:12] <teknoprep> then setup the partition[15:41:31] <tsoome> well, you already have solaris2 partition there[15:41:37] <teknoprep> yup[15:41:41] <teknoprep> isn't that what i want?[15:41:49] <tsoome> so quit fdisk and enter partition command[15:42:04] <teknoprep> ok[15:42:45] <teknoprep> Enter partition size[0b, 0c, 0e, 0.00mb, 0.00gb]:[15:42:48] <tsoome> fdisk partition got nothing to do with s0;) its the "conteiner" where you create vtoc table for slices[15:42:51] <teknoprep> how do i do[15:43:01] <teknoprep> 100%[15:43:41] <tsoome> you open another window, format, pick current boot disk, enter partition; print and you use exact same numbers for new disk[15:44:03] <teknoprep> ok done[15:44:16] <teknoprep> 67.81GB[15:44:21] <teknoprep> do i have to do anything with this slice[15:44:22] <teknoprep> ?[15:44:30] <tsoome> not yet[15:44:44] <tsoome> use print and verify you have identical setups on both disks[15:45:12] <tsoome> if it is, use label to write this new vtoc on disk[15:45:28] <tsoome> after this is done, you can attach your mirror[15:45:34] *** tg__ is now known as tg`[15:45:38] *** miki has quit IRC[15:47:25] <teknoprep> working on getting them identical[15:48:11] <teknoprep> hm[15:50:16] <tsoome> you may wanna use cylinders instead of mb/gb[15:50:21] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[15:50:25] <teknoprep> i did[15:50:27] <teknoprep> 8891e[15:50:31] <teknoprep> or something like that[15:50:49] <teknoprep> now its telling me to installgrub[15:50:51] <teknoprep> or invoke it[15:51:11] *** rabbit64 has joined #opensolaris[15:51:13] <tsoome> did you start s0 from 3?[15:51:33] <teknoprep> yes[15:51:37] <tsoome> ok[15:51:37] <teknoprep> let me do this over[15:51:40] <teknoprep> or is that bad?[15:51:58] <tsoome> no, thats why i told to do identical[15:52:11] *** mib_matt has joined #opensolaris[15:52:28] <teknoprep> ?[15:52:40] <teknoprep> are you asking me where it asks if the device should start with the system ?[15:52:42] *** syamajala has quit IRC[15:52:45] <tsoome> in first 3 cylenders, there is fdisk partition boot program, if you start s0 from 0 instead of 3, you will have no space for this boot block[15:55:32] <teknoprep> ok[15:55:36] <teknoprep> well its it resilvering[15:55:43] <teknoprep> zpoll status shows how much is done so far[15:55:47] <teknoprep> is this good to go then ?[15:57:12] <rabbit64> Hi. Here I've got two pam config files: http://pastebin.ca/1356552 , when doing ssh root@localhost (from localhost) the first one fails and the second one succeeds. What is the problem?[15:58:49] *** aruiz has quit IRC[15:58:55] <mib_matt> hi all, I have a question about IPS and the automated build process. I successfully made an IPS package on opensolaris, published it to local repo, and installed it. It seems to work, so now I would like to send it to the pending repo. Question is this: I had to manually modify a couple of makefiles to get it to link properly, so will this prevent the automated build service from being able to build the package succe[15:59:12] <tsoome> if you have done installgrub as well, you should be able to boot from it once resilver is done[15:59:55] <teknoprep> tsoome, installgrub what is stage1 and stage2[16:00:05] <tsoome> man installgrub[16:00:13] <teknoprep> yeah i was googlling it[16:00:17] <teknoprep> i'll man instaead[16:00:53] <teknoprep> /sbin/installgrub /boot/grub/stage1 \[16:00:53] <teknoprep> > /boot/grub/stage2 /dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s0[16:00:57] <teknoprep> so that should work in my case ?[16:01:00] *** CyberBlue has quit IRC[16:01:19] *** ericjray has quit IRC[16:03:31] *** acruz has joined #opensolaris[16:04:42] <teknoprep> hey i have one last questino[16:04:56] <teknoprep> whats the "best" way to upgrade or update my opensolaris system from 104 to 108[16:05:21] <teknoprep> i dont' care about the live update or whatever its called... this box isnot live yet[16:05:46] <teknoprep> actually i guess 109 since thats out now[16:06:39] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[16:06:53] <oninoshik1> 109 is only on SXCE for the moment[16:07:01] <teknoprep> yup[16:07:03] <teknoprep> thats what i use[16:07:07] <teknoprep> SXCE[16:07:26] <oninoshik1> ahh ok (a lot of people are using indiana)[16:07:36] <teknoprep> which build is that ?[16:07:37] <teknoprep> 108[16:08:04] <oninoshik1> that's the one labled "Open Solaris 2008.11" or whatever[16:08:16] <teknoprep> oh[16:08:43] <alain10> anyone know how to play WMV files on opensolaris ?[16:09:04] <oninoshik1> if you are on SXCE, I would reccemend LU, even if you arnt live[16:09:13] <teknoprep> LU ?[16:09:17] <asyd> liveupgrade[16:09:21] <teknoprep> ok[16:09:23] <ry_laptop> liveupgrade is simply awesome.[16:09:28] *** johannes has quit IRC[16:10:08] <oninoshik1> it's pretty easy, and if you have problems you can always revert to the previous version[16:10:27] <teknoprep> so[16:10:35] <teknoprep> anyone have a good tutorial on this ?[16:10:56] <oninoshik1> i can find you one... i have some noted in my files at work too[16:10:57] <teknoprep> everything i see says i need the iso[16:11:08] <oninoshik1> you need the image, atleast[16:11:17] <teknoprep> ahh its not an internet upgrade[16:11:23] <teknoprep> ok i'll send the iso over to my box[16:11:43] <oninoshik1> i normally burn it, because I end up doing more then one machine[16:12:04] <teknoprep> i only do one machine at a time usually[16:12:15] <teknoprep> since the only thing i really use solaris for is ZFS[16:12:18] <teknoprep> and iscsi storage[16:12:41] <oninoshik1> that's all im using it for, but i have a dozen iscsi boxes ;p[16:12:48] <teknoprep> oh[16:12:54] <teknoprep> most of our installs have 2 boxes[16:12:57] <teknoprep> one live one clone[16:13:09] <teknoprep> then a few VMware boxes attached to those[16:13:09] <_Lewellyn> LU rocks ass.[16:13:27] <teknoprep> is there a way to enable root access for SSH[16:13:28] <holcomb> seriously[16:13:33] <teknoprep> i dont' want to have to su - every time[16:13:49] <holcomb> /etc/default/login[16:14:10] <oninoshik1> teknoprep: yes, it's an option in the sshd config[16:14:36] <_Lewellyn> teknoprep: /etc/ssh/sshd_config[16:14:58] <oninoshik1> just search /etc/ssh/sshd_config for root, you'll find it[16:15:21] <oninoshik1> i think it's PermitRootLogin or some such[16:15:32] <flyingparchment> if you're using 2008.xx, you need to make root not be a role first[16:17:18] <teknoprep> got it[16:18:27] <oninoshik1> grr TechData doesn't have the FC cards im looking for[16:18:52] *** gaveen has quit IRC[16:19:06] <teknoprep> is OpenSolaris a good desktop OS ?[16:19:18] <teknoprep> i know good is relative[16:19:20] <oninoshik1> IWFM[16:20:21] <_Lewellyn> i use it on my laptop.[16:20:28] <asyd> what iis the url of the non sun ips repository where to download totem or mplayer (well, you get the point)[16:20:38] <teknoprep> i was just thinking probably the quickest way to learn more about this would be to get it installed on my laptop[16:20:49] *** rabbit64 has quit IRC[16:20:51] <teknoprep> how is the Wireless and Bluetooth support on opensolaris ?[16:20:57] <_Lewellyn> asyd: the .jp one? it's gone.[16:21:03] <tsoome> for me, solaris as desktop is absolute crap[16:21:10] <asyd> _Lewellyn: ah, ok[16:21:25] <seanmcg> for me, solaris as desktop is absolute ok[16:21:26] <_Lewellyn> teknoprep: wifi is fine, bluetooth is mouse only, in 107 and newer, using an additional package.[16:21:38] <teknoprep> no PAN drive for bluetooth ?[16:21:44] <_Lewellyn> i bitch about the wifi a lot. but it REALLY could be worse[16:21:56] <_Lewellyn> teknoprep: dude. bluetooth at all just came out 2 builds ago. give them a chance ;)[16:22:00] <oninoshik1> _Lewellyn: it WAS worse[16:22:11] <_Lewellyn> oninoshik1: regardless.[16:22:28] <oninoshik1> it's actually improved quite a bit, since i first installed it on my TP[16:22:46] <teknoprep> i never log into X on my servers.. what is the WM for opensolaris ? KDE Gnome ?[16:23:04] <teknoprep> some sun java desktop thing?[16:23:10] <oninoshik1> and I think they are only at the 1/2 way point by their own admition[16:23:17] <tsoome> java desktop = gnome[16:23:21] <teknoprep> ok[16:23:27] <oninoshik1> JDS, (which is gnome, with sun branding)[16:24:08] <teknoprep> would it be faster to use ZFS or UFS on a laptop ?[16:24:38] <e^ipi> zfs lays blocks out better, but uses more ram[16:24:39] <_Lewellyn> zfs, if you have the ram.[16:24:43] <e^ipi> so... judge by the ram[16:24:47] <teknoprep> i have 4GB in my laptop[16:24:49] <teknoprep> so i should be god[16:24:50] <teknoprep> good[16:24:52] <e^ipi> zfs.[16:24:56] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[16:24:59] <e^ipi> 4G is plenty[16:25:03] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[16:25:13] <oninoshik1> I use ZFS for everything... there is no point in getting data if you can be assured it is accurate (im a real witch about that though)[16:26:14] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[16:26:26] <teknoprep> hmm i wonder how the port is on FreeBSD[16:26:36] <teknoprep> if the speed is the same for ZFS on FreeBSD vs OpenSolaris[16:26:42] <teknoprep> i know FreeBSD much more than i know OpenSolaris[16:27:23] <teknoprep> hmm... can you set compression on the rpool ?[16:27:31] <teknoprep> without issues[16:27:45] <tsoome> there are always issues[16:27:51] <teknoprep> lol[16:28:04] <tsoome> but yes, you can set[16:28:06] <teknoprep> i use compression on all of my VMware iSCSI target pools[16:28:14] <teknoprep> its actually faster[16:28:18] <teknoprep> well depends[16:28:23] <tsoome> depends really[16:28:30] <acruz> teknoprep: only the default compression (not sure which type) Grub doesn't talk all compression algorithms[16:28:32] <teknoprep> its almost never slower tho[16:28:35] <tsoome> it can be faster, it can be slower[16:28:45] <tsoome> it can get real slow[16:28:53] <teknoprep> what would be the slow down ?[16:28:55] <teknoprep> CPU ?[16:29:23] <tsoome> if the compression algorithm and method is not suitable for particular workload[16:29:59] <tsoome> google and you will find quite nice articleas about compression[16:30:27] <teknoprep> yeah i did that[16:30:32] <teknoprep> thats why i chose to use it[16:30:43] <teknoprep> i usually use the ljzb[16:30:45] <teknoprep> or whatever it is[16:30:57] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[16:31:02] <teknoprep> lzjb[16:31:09] <teknoprep> which is the default compression[16:31:21] *** olri has joined #opensolaris[16:31:28] <tsoome> for your rpool, if you set it after install, it doesnt affect existing data[16:31:33] <teknoprep> yup[16:31:37] <teknoprep> but if i update[16:31:42] <teknoprep> it will compress the update[16:31:56] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[16:32:07] <Berny> only the files that changed[16:32:20] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[16:32:36] <teknoprep> yup[16:32:53] <teknoprep> i'll just leave it alone[16:33:02] <teknoprep> i never have run out of space on a rpool[16:33:14] *** Deesl has quit IRC[16:33:37] <tsoome> well, if the workload is ok, you will not only save space, but IO as well;)[16:33:40] *** erim_ has joined #opensolaris[16:33:54] <teknoprep> alrighty guys[16:33:57] <teknoprep> i appreciate the help[16:34:01] <teknoprep> this box gave me alot of issues[16:34:23] <teknoprep> i hate using older hardware sometimes.. but we told her we would use her existing HP dl350 G4 box as backup[16:34:29] <teknoprep> and its finally done.... again ty all[16:34:33] <erim_> hey, is anyone here experienced with installing opensolaris on sparc via AI? (and wanting to help)[16:34:36] <teknoprep> i ahve to head out and take this box to her now[16:36:03] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[16:40:46] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:42:25] *** ry_laptop has quit IRC[16:48:28] *** ttmrichter__ has quit IRC[16:49:06] *** ttmrichter__ has joined #opensolaris[16:50:45] <erim_> guess i'd better wait until the channel is more active ;)[16:50:56] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[16:50:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[16:51:20] <oninoshik1> sorry erim_, i havent had a sparc in years[16:51:32] <oninoshik1> (too bad, really)[16:51:34] <erim_> hehe well[16:51:47] <erim_> i'm starting to think i made a mistake going sparc ;)[16:52:02] <erim_> bought an old Sun Fire V240 to run opensolaris[16:52:06] <_Lewellyn> erim_: i've not installed opensolaris on any of my sparcs yet[16:52:18] <_Lewellyn> they all run S10U6 quite happily and i'm afraid to change that ;)[16:52:23] <erim_> ah[16:52:33] <erim_> hehe yeah, the new installation system is really hard to use[16:52:39] <oninoshik1> erim_: are you trying to do indiana or nevada?[16:52:39] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[16:52:59] <erim_> oninoshik1: tbh, i don't know... i'm trying to install the newest release (108) over AI[16:53:22] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris[16:53:31] <erim_> i tried SXCE, but i really want the pkg system in the OpenSolaris releases[16:53:59] <oninoshik1> indiana then, (nevada is SXCE)[16:54:04] <erim_> ah, ok, thanks :)[16:54:26] <erim_> the actual installation seems to go well[16:54:46] <erim_> but then it seems to fail when generating/writing the boot archive[16:55:36] <erim_> so my guess is that i should find some way to manually do that step after the installation[16:56:06] * oninoshik1 has no idea on a list of fronts... (useing SXCE)[16:56:12] <erim_> ah[16:56:25] <erim_> oninoshik1: but how do you manage your packages on SXCE?[16:56:56] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[16:57:23] *** Stric has quit IRC[16:57:25] <oninoshik1> with the pkg tools[16:57:29] <erim_> hmm[16:57:32] <erim_> so the old tools?[16:58:00] <erim_> i mean, does SXCE work with IPS?[16:58:21] <seanmcg> nope.[16:58:24] <oninoshik1> they do the job, and most of the machines I am working need to be static[16:58:39] <erim_> ah, i see[16:58:50] <oninoshik1> it's the difference between a server and a desktop[16:58:58] <erim_> well[16:59:02] <erim_> i'm used to freebsd[16:59:07] <erim_> and it's so nice to get updated packages[16:59:08] <seanmcg> oninoshik1, how ?[16:59:19] <erim_> especially when there are vulnerabilities running free[16:59:48] <oninoshik1> seanmcg: how what?[17:00:02] <erim_> oninoshik1: but is it still easy to update packages if they become out-of-date or vulnerable?[17:00:24] <oninoshik1> erim_: most vulns are midigated if you only install the minimum of what you need.[17:00:25] <seanmcg> oninoshik1, sorry, whats the difference between a server and a desktop ?[17:00:27] *** jwk404 has joined #opensolaris[17:00:38] *** Lab-One has quit IRC[17:01:10] <oninoshik1> seanmcg: being able to have packages updated willy-nilly causeing random brakages. accepable on the desktop, not on a production server.[17:01:33] <erim_> oninoshik1: hmm, i need php, perl, mysql, apache, dovecot, procmail etc etc[17:01:56] <seanmcg> oninoshik1, ah ok.[17:02:09] <erim_> so for instance, the recent perl update (5.8.8-5.8.9) would have been a nightmare on a system witout package management[17:02:23] <erim_> since all the dependant modules had to be recompiled[17:02:28] *** Stric has joined #opensolaris[17:02:43] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[17:02:48] <oninoshik1> erim_: for most updates I would use LU[17:02:50] <erim_> (or reinstalled, whatever method the package management does)[17:03:07] <oninoshik1> particularly extensive ones[17:03:10] <erim_> ah[17:03:28] <erim_> well, as long as the updated packages are available, i guess it's fine[17:03:46] <oninoshik1> it alows me the option of doing the update during the day, and not transistioning untill after-hours (within the SLA window)[17:03:52] *** bubbva has quit IRC[17:04:06] <erim_> oninoshik1: yeah, LU seems like a great way to update[17:04:09] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:04:30] <erim_> oninoshik1: so your opinion is that SXCE does the job well on servers?[17:04:54] <erim_> perhaps i should give it one more chance in that case[17:04:58] <fraggeln> erim_: prod-servers?[17:05:02] <oninoshik1> also, Im not running a AMP stack on my machines, they are used just for storage, so that might colour my view i bit[17:05:08] <erim_> fraggeln: yes[17:05:17] <fraggeln> erim_: i would recomend solaris10[17:05:22] <erim_> ugh[17:05:30] <erim_> but those packages are ancient![17:05:40] <fraggeln> smpatch ftw :)[17:05:48] <erim_> hah so much new stuff to learn[17:05:50] <erim_> ok[17:05:56] * erim_ googles smpatch[17:06:13] <erim_> fraggeln: but isn't solaris 10 dead?[17:06:21] <fraggeln> erim_: since when?[17:06:25] <erim_> i thought sun had completely moved to opensolaris[17:06:35] <erim_> well, since there's not much mention of it on the sun website[17:06:42] <oninoshik1> sun still maintains back to Sol 8, last i looked[17:06:42] <erim_> at least not initially[17:06:49] <erim_> ah well yes[17:07:05] <erim_> but perhaps they are shifting the focus?[17:07:06] <oninoshik1> so I expect Sol 10 to be supported for quite some time[17:07:16] <erim_> hm probably[17:07:28] <erim_> i just don't want t get stuck with a legacy system[17:07:40] <oninoshik1> no more so then when the moved from 8->9->10 i would think[17:08:01] <oninoshik1> all systems become legacy eventually ;P[17:08:08] <erim_> hehe yeah[17:08:55] <erim_> but still, if sun really would stop developing solaris and focus on opensolaris, it'd feel better to already take that step now when setting up the new server[17:09:01] <erim_> rather than migrating in a few months[17:09:11] <oninoshik1> I wouldn't discourage you from testing it out and seeing if it works for you. if you needed a system NOW for production though, he's probibly right about useing S10[17:09:23] <erim_> oh, ok[17:09:34] *** ken has quit IRC[17:10:02] *** scriptdevil has joined #opensolaris[17:10:23] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[17:10:25] <oninoshik1> I highly doubt that will happen, to many big-money costomers with investments in the older systems[17:10:35] <erim_> hehe you've got a point there[17:11:05] *** timsf has quit IRC[17:11:05] <erim_> i guess i should read a bit more about how the system is managed in solaris[17:11:07] <oninoshik1> and (atleast i hope) SMI is highly interested in keeping them around[17:11:20] <erim_> like, how patches are applied, and how to install third party sw[17:11:41] <oninoshik1> sun's BigAdmin site is a good place to start... they really to have a great set of documentation there[17:12:06] <erim_> thanks for the tip[17:12:22] <erim_> i've only read the official administration manual[17:13:01] <oninoshik1> traditionally you would use a SVR4 package with pkgadd. i presume with IPS the vendor would set up a independent repo or some such thing[17:13:22] <DTEIT> xvm can emulate another network card that is not the realtek?[17:13:28] <DTEIT> intel maybe[17:13:39] <oninoshik1> (but I haven't been tracking IPS development that well, as has been pointed out to me many times)[17:14:01] <e^ipi> oninoshik1: as far as i can tell there'll be some sort of datastream repo thing[17:14:14] <e^ipi> like an 'on-disk repo' or w/e[17:14:34] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: amazing how that isn't considered a basic feature[17:14:38] <e^ipi> don't quote me on that though, ask #pkg5 ... just conjecture[17:14:44] <flyingparchment> not everyone wants to run some stupid daemon just to move a package around[17:14:48] <e^ipi> based on peoples' statements[17:14:53] <e^ipi> yeah, i know :-/[17:15:02] <e^ipi> *shrug*[17:15:28] <oninoshik1> ok, then that, until it's done they would have to be running a repo though[17:15:29] <e^ipi> i don't like svn for that reason either[17:15:45] <alanc> erim_: Sun's still developing new Solaris 10 update releases - there will be one out in about two months, another near the end of the year[17:15:56] <oninoshik1> flyingparchment: dont get me started...[17:16:04] <alanc> OpenSolaris is just what's being worked on for the next major release after Solaris 10[17:16:25] <alanc> (much like Microsoft is working on both Vista SP2 & Windows 7 releases right now)[17:16:26] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: i get the impression it's a basic feature. but the foundations need to be solid first[17:18:27] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: solaris doesn't need another RPM, where you need a wrapper program (like yum or apt-get) to keep people sane :P[17:18:46] <oninoshik1> basic features ARE the foundation. walk before you run... DS packages before some fancy web protocol[17:19:00] <flyingparchment> why not? yum/rpm and apt/dpkg work fine--yum just sucks because yum is a piece of crap[17:19:01] <alanc> on disk file format is definitely mentioned in many mails as "IPS features still on the to-be-implemented list" not "things IPS doesn't plan to ever do"[17:19:07] <erim_> alanc: ah, nice[17:19:10] <flyingparchment> any problems with those are due to either of the technologies, not the combination[17:19:11] *** scriptdevil has left #opensolaris[17:19:24] <e^ipi> oninoshik1: well, i can understand the argument for doing it this way[17:19:40] <_Lewellyn> you guys really need to give the packaging team to actually get this right rather than pushing them to "do it now"[17:19:45] <e^ipi> id est, dpkg / rpm were invented before network package fetching was a must-have[17:19:47] <flyingparchment> i'm not pushing anyone[17:19:54] <flyingparchment> i'm expressing surprise that the roadmap is drawn this way[17:20:07] <flyingparchment> i don't even use ips, so i don't care when it gets done.. it'll be a long time until we upgrade to solaris 11[17:20:11] <e^ipi> so why not invent a package format based on the idea of network package fetching first[17:20:12] <_Lewellyn> if they figured out the way to do it over the network right, first, then there's no reason to delay that until after the figure out the rest.[17:20:20] <alanc> "The Network is the Package Data Format (and the Computer)"[17:20:57] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: don't forget svr4 in formats where network fetching is an afterthought, too. can't even fetch a compressed datastream ;)[17:21:42] <oninoshik1> _Lewellyn: sure you can, take a data stream, pipe i through a compressor, then pipe it out on the other side. Trivial[17:22:01] <flyingparchment> oninoshik1: i think he means pkgadd http://...[17:22:05] <oninoshik1> just because noone saw the need to do it, doesn't mean it cant be done[17:22:18] <_Lewellyn> pkgadd -d https://my.pkg.com/package.pkg[17:22:33] <_Lewellyn> that was an afterthought.[17:22:40] <flyingparchment> never really sure the point of that feature anyway[17:22:51] <flyingparchment> perhaps it was useful pre-S10 when wget didn't exist[17:22:55] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: it only makes sense if you can use at LEAST a gz[17:23:28] <e^ipi> i'm not really trying to either defend or criticize the decision, just that I can understand an argument for it[17:23:42] <_Lewellyn> there are automated patchers from a few vendors, though that pkgrm and then pkgadd from a pkg-latest[17:24:04] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i just want to see it done right.[17:24:08] <_Lewellyn> :)[17:24:16] <oninoshik1> _Lewellyn: it would be fairly trivial to add the feature to pkgadd. too bad it's not being developed...[17:24:18] <flyingparchment> all my solaris systems are on GE or faster, gzip isn't really a requirement ;)[17:24:31] <e^ipi> rather than the thought process going "we have a package -> we have a package format -> here's how it's stored -> how can we fetch it over the network?" it goes "we have a network repo -> how can we store packages with it -> how can we store them on disk?"[17:24:33] *** ken1 has quit IRC[17:24:48] <_Lewellyn> oninoshik1: the sources are available... and there's an svr4 packaging enhancement project. you could help them, certainly.[17:25:02] <flyingparchment> the SVR4 packaging tools were open sourced?[17:25:08] <_Lewellyn> just because the "main" distro won't use svr4 doesn't prevent the rest of them from it[17:25:13] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[17:25:21] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: there's a community/project/something for it *shrug*[17:25:25] *** allquixotic has quit IRC[17:25:42] <oninoshik1> I'll get to that, right after i get through the list of tasks from the job that pays my mortguage...[17:25:45] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[17:25:50] <_Lewellyn> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svr4_packaging/[17:26:07] <oninoshik1> speaking of which, what i was waiting on is done![17:26:08] <_Lewellyn> oninoshik1: if it's trivial, you could do it piecemeal while on the toilet every day ;)[17:26:10] *** noptrix has quit IRC[17:26:12] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[17:26:27] <oninoshik1> you havent see my task list ;)[17:26:34] <_Lewellyn> nor you mine :)[17:26:54] <_Lewellyn> btw, i have a working spec file for fceux :D[17:27:19] <_Lewellyn> now i can play games on the train, since i have no internet via my phone! woo ;)[17:27:35] <_Lewellyn> and speaking of the train, time to launch nextmuni.com[17:28:11] <_Lewellyn> 2, 3, 8 mins. time to run.[17:28:13] <_Lewellyn> back later.[17:28:13] *** noptrix has joined #opensolaris[17:28:36] *** ry_laptop has joined #opensolaris[17:29:03] <oninoshik1> i might consider it though... dispite the fact I've never needed compressed packages, nor the http-get feature[17:29:27] *** ProBerber3339_ has joined #opensolaris[17:29:57] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[17:30:26] *** bam123 has joined #opensolaris[17:30:34] *** ProBerber3339_ has left #opensolaris[17:31:11] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:33:03] *** ahl has joined #opensolaris[17:33:11] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[17:33:12] *** jsalisbury has joined #opensolaris[17:33:27] <erim_> oninoshik1: just one last little question... do you think SXCE is stable enough for production, or do you too run Solaris10 in those environments?[17:33:33] *** ahl has left #opensolaris[17:34:07] <oninoshik1> For my application I am running SXCE in production[17:34:10] <tsoome> that depends on your requirements for production systems.[17:34:37] <erim_> ok, requirements are basically just relatively good uptime (>90% is ok)[17:34:57] <oninoshik1> I have a whole set of equipment for testing though, and have spend alot of time doing that[17:35:05] <erim_> ah[17:35:26] <tsoome> what you need to keep in mind, not all sxce releases have same stability - as new features are introduced, they may have bugs etc[17:35:28] <oninoshik1> I also have not tested much outside of my use-case[17:35:29] <erim_> so opensolaris could require more of the user in terms of solaris experience?[17:35:54] <erim_> tsoome: hmm ok...[17:36:18] <tsoome> also, there are no patches, instead you have next build[17:36:18] <oninoshik1> and have the advantage of having a similer use-case to benr (Joyant)[17:36:30] <erim_> aah[17:36:35] <erim_> that pretty much settles it[17:36:52] <erim_> i would just mess my LU up[17:37:08] <erim_> so i guess i'll start with solaris10 and then see what happens later :)[17:37:27] <tsoome> if you need really stable fixed environment, you may wanna stick to solaris 10 atm[17:37:56] <erim_> ok, thanks![17:38:41] <oninoshik1> nothing goes on my production mechines with out a compelling reason, and even then it must have spent time on the test-bed to make sure it wont break anything. (although this would apply to anything)[17:39:27] <erim_> oninoshik1: sounds like a good, but time consuming) idea[17:39:37] <e^ipi> ISTR that joyent uses some pretty old SXCE versions, and doesn't change them on customer boxes unless the customer requests it[17:39:47] <e^ipi> like, 20 builds back old[17:39:52] * oninoshik1 smiles weakly[17:40:32] <oninoshik1> mine is pretty close to that, but I am working on testing out for a transitsion to COMSTAR[17:41:22] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris[17:41:47] <e^ipi> meh, it's probably a good idea; then you at least know a good lot of the bugs in that build[17:42:21] *** bam123 has quit IRC[17:42:27] <oninoshik1> there are a number of things in it I am looking forward to. managing views in it is much nicer, although adding iscsi ports kinda bites (make sure you do it all at once)[17:44:37] <oninoshik1> e^ipi: that's my theory. I can deal with a known quantity. Unknowns I have to start ad-libbing[17:45:24] *** jacobs has joined #opensolaris[17:46:10] *** axisys has quit IRC[17:49:09] *** fftb has quit IRC[17:50:10] *** Gekz has quit IRC[17:50:40] *** wewek has quit IRC[17:52:28] *** hugohagogo is now known as hugohagogo_AFK[17:55:18] *** Gekz has joined #OpenSolaris[17:57:11] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[17:58:40] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[17:59:30] *** jteo has quit IRC[18:00:02] *** kjetilho has quit IRC[18:08:01] *** hugohagogo_AFK is now known as hugohagogo[18:10:25] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[18:11:16] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[18:11:56] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[18:12:20] *** jfisc has quit IRC[18:12:32] <capaz1> re: solaris x86, anyone know if I can I put a second Solaris/Solaris2 fdisk partition on the primary disk , and use it as a second "disk"?[18:13:03] <capaz1> I'm not very clear on conventional solaris disk label vs. fdisk partitions on x86. :-([18:13:11] <acruz> capaz1: sure, what are you trying to do?[18:13:20] <oninoshik1> capaz1: yes, that is how my disk is configured on my desktop at home[18:13:41] <capaz1> had an old NTFS partition that I want to reclaim as a second disk into the OS rpool[18:13:55] <oninoshik1> oh...[18:14:28] *** AliBB has joined #opensolaris[18:14:46] <oninoshik1> i wonder what would happen if you just expanded the partition...[18:15:18] <acruz> capaz1: you'd be better merging the two partitions since rpool cannot spawn multiple datasets (i can be mirrored, though)[18:15:34] <capaz1> well, not really wanting to risk my very cool OS env that I've been tweaking to taste for a week...[18:16:04] <oninoshik1> capaz1: do you have a USB disk?[18:16:09] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[18:16:21] <capaz1> acruz: good point. maybe move /export/home to a new pool, though?[18:16:34] <capaz1> ...on the second partition/"disk"?[18:17:03] *** Ali_BB has quit IRC[18:17:10] <oninoshik1> (THAT is how mine is configured, but i did it that way so i could easily migrate it to a different disk when i needed)[18:17:13] <capaz1> oninoshik1: well, yes, two, but both NTFS[18:17:22] <acruz> capaz1: that's entirely possible (having /export on a separate zpool)[18:18:06] <capaz1> so, I created the second Solaris2 partition, but don't know how to access it now.[18:18:19] <flyingparchment> i'm pretty sure putting two SOLARIS2 partitions on the same disk isn't supported[18:18:48] <acruz> flyingparchment: and what would be the problem?[18:18:48] <oninoshik1> hrm... maybe I had it as a second slice[18:19:12] <capaz1> btw, I missed when there became a Solaris and a Solaris2 partition type. what's the diff?[18:19:15] <flyingparchment> acruz: well for one thing it would need explicit support for having two slices[18:19:23] <flyingparchment> er, two labels, rather[18:20:05] <capaz1> flyingparchment: these are good points, and do suggest that it's not going to work[18:20:50] <acruz> I thought partitions could have *any* type, I didn't know labels were per disk, instead per partition. But I confess I am ignorant in this topic. Could you elaborate a bit more so I can learn?[18:21:11] <flyingparchment> acruz: labels are per disk, that's why it's c0t0d0s0, not c0t0d0p0s0[18:21:21] <flyingparchment> if you have two labels, you have two s0 -- how do you tell them apart?[18:22:58] *** Cass1 has quit IRC[18:22:58] <acruz> flyingparchment: got it, thanks[18:23:57] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[18:24:48] <capaz1> possible to resize the Solaris2 partition to include the cyls from the firmer NTFS partition, and have ZFS have access to the space?[18:25:29] <capaz1> ...really not wanting to have to scrap this thing and start over. :-([18:26:00] *** kohju has quit IRC[18:26:08] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris[18:26:17] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[18:26:26] <acruz> capaz1: if the partitions are contiguous on disk, you could just splice them.[18:26:50] <timsf> snapshot the root dataset, send it to a zpool on a usb disk, make that disk bootable, boot from that disk, then fix up the pool and send it back again.[18:27:46] <flyingparchment> capaz1: as long as the start of the partition remains the same, resizing it should work[18:27:59] <flyingparchment> capaz1: you will need to also extend the size of the s0 slice with format, and then reboot to make zfs remount the pool[18:28:24] <capaz1> ah. that's the step I was missing, in my head.[18:28:35] <capaz1> the s0 slice resize.[18:29:08] <flyingparchment> (export/import would work instead of a reboot, but you obviously can't export the root pool)[18:29:09] <capaz1> the addtl blocks will be accessible on reboot?[18:29:32] <flyingparchment> yes. you need two, one to extend the solaris partition, then once after you extend the slice[18:29:35] <capaz1> no growfs-like thing needed for zfs?[18:29:40] <flyingparchment> no[18:29:53] <flyingparchment> it recognises that the disk (slice) got larger and expands the pool automatically[18:29:59] <capaz1> sweet[18:33:07] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[18:35:32] *** mib_matt has quit IRC[18:35:39] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris[18:36:55] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:37:34] <oninoshik1> zfs can be pretty smart sometimes (ok, almost all the time)[18:38:16] <oninoshik1> and it keeps getting smarter... I, for one, welcome our new filesystem overloards[18:41:30] <capaz1> ...off to try this thing, incl. the reboot. Hopefully, I'm back soon. :-)[18:43:07] *** capaz1 has left #opensolaris[18:43:28] *** phimic has quit IRC[18:47:02] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[18:49:14] *** TT has joined #opensolaris[18:49:57] *** Dar has quit IRC[18:52:28] *** timsf has quit IRC[18:52:33] <TT> hi i have a problem with zfs, if i want to access some movie file of my osol server shared by cifs/samba, the play back stopped for 0.5s while zfs is reading from hdd ? How can i cache the right files? or tune zfs so playback wont stop[18:53:50] *** gnut has quit IRC[18:53:51] <e^ipi> it shouldn't do that[18:54:12] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[18:54:25] <TT> under linux it works fine with samba[18:54:27] <e^ipi> it doesn't for me... even when B's watching a movie at the same time as me on her computer[18:54:29] *** MattMan has quit IRC[18:54:44] <e^ipi> i mean "it doesn't skip", not "it doesn't work fine"... it works fine[18:55:04] <TT> client is a dreambox[18:55:08] <_Lewellyn> gah. i hate windows servers :([18:55:15] <e^ipi> dunno what that is[18:55:26] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i think it's always asleep? ;)[18:55:27] <TT> d-box?[18:55:41] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: who's always asleep?[18:55:51] <_Lewellyn> a dreambox ;)[18:56:02] *** dunc has quit IRC[18:56:09] <TT> satellite receiver with lan pport and linux(neutrino) inside[18:56:20] <e^ipi> ahh[18:56:28] <e^ipi> how much ram in the ZFS server?[18:56:33] <TT> 87[18:56:34] <TT> 8[18:56:36] <TT> gb[18:56:43] <e^ipi> hmm, should be plenty[18:56:53] <TT> yeah[18:57:10] <TT> dont wannna miss zfs =/[18:57:27] <CosmicDJ> client is linux? and you're using cifs?[18:57:42] <e^ipi> TT: *shrug* like i said, it worked for me[18:57:46] <e^ipi> but check this out: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#File-Level_Prefetching[18:57:51] <e^ipi> it might be of value[18:58:37] <e^ipi> a mac ( @ gigabit ) and a PS3 both streaming movies at the same time works, even when my laptop is sucking an iso off it ( at gigabit )[18:58:43] <oninoshik1> i want 87Gb[18:58:52] <CIA-40> Viswanathan Kannappan <Viswanathan.Kannappan at Sun dot COM>: 6626020 crontab doesn't have have non-zero exit value for out-of-bounds errors, Contributed by Chad Mynhier <cmynhier at gmail dot com>[18:58:56] <e^ipi> oninoshik1: moore's law... shouldn't take too long[18:59:06] * oninoshik1 giggles[19:00:01] <oninoshik1> mental note: typeing COMSAR commands to IRC session, not effective[19:00:06] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[19:01:50] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:02:38] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[19:03:26] <_Lewellyn> oh haha. the windows server that i came in to poke at, and it needed a reboot? it's the dns server. gonna be a LONG day :P[19:03:42] <TT> thx e^ipi[19:04:09] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[19:04:18] <_Lewellyn> i so need to find a replacement for windows here. someone said that there is a way for solaris to serve in place of a Windows AD server easily?[19:06:15] <tsoome> nope, it cant[19:06:41] <tsoome> it can replace some funftions, but not full AD[19:07:05] <tsoome> functions*[19:07:18] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:07:25] <_Lewellyn> this server's scheduled replacement with a 2003 (upgrade!) server has been accelerated as of an hour ago[19:07:33] *** Jiraia has quit IRC[19:07:58] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[19:08:00] *** norm2 has quit IRC[19:08:04] *** TT has quit IRC[19:08:05] <_Lewellyn> so, i'm looking for a solaris alternative, if anyone knows of one. msg me, if you think it's too far offtopic :)[19:08:27] <tsoome> ofc, there is ldap, kerberos and some more, but there is virtually no integration[19:08:59] <_Lewellyn> yeah. the integration is key. everything gets managed via MMC atm.[19:09:29] <_Lewellyn> any DC can control the services anywhere. which is something that is a real requirement.[19:09:59] <_Lewellyn> (i.e. the dc with exchange can manage the dns on the dc i took down)[19:10:26] <ry_laptop> thank god[19:10:29] <ry_laptop> the vnic method works[19:11:02] *** b0r0las has joined #opensolaris[19:11:04] <_Lewellyn> that sort of integration would really be a killer app for windows shops eyeballing linux for perceived lower tco[19:11:22] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: woo! you documenting it and publishing it? since the docs apparently are lacking? ;)[19:11:29] <ry_laptop> I can't wait until xVM server is released.[19:11:35] *** cypromis has quit IRC[19:11:38] <ry_laptop> _lewellyn, I really should.[19:12:07] <ry_laptop> 'active/active IPMP with alternate interfaces/ips for optimum network utilization' :)[19:12:25] <ry_laptop> that's an easy title.... Perhaps I should write stereo instructions[19:13:19] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: wait till A2DP gets implemented by the bluetooth guys before you aim for stereo ;)[19:13:29] <ry_laptop> Heh[19:13:49] <ry_laptop> I think bluetooth dongle is the best way to go. bluetooth shit never works[19:14:04] <_Lewellyn> woo. terminal services is back up. time to minimize irc for a bit.[19:14:06] <ry_laptop> a dongle "jus works"[19:14:13] <oninoshik1> damn you iSCSI/comstar, damn you[19:15:18] <b0r0las> hi. anyone have installed opensolaris in a laptop HP 1000 series?[19:15:26] *** gnb has joined #opensolaris[19:15:55] <_Lewellyn> probably not that exact series, but likely similar hardware... what's the issue?[19:16:02] <gray--> b0r0las: did you have an error, or want to know if it's possible?[19:16:09] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[19:16:37] <b0r0las> gray--, I want to know[19:17:20] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[19:20:38] *** nahetss has joined #opensolaris[19:20:52] <nahetss> hi[19:22:29] <_Lewellyn> b0r0las: well, specific hardware is easier for us to answer about :)[19:22:38] *** ute_ has joined #opensolaris[19:22:55] *** alfism has quit IRC[19:23:11] <_Lewellyn> b0r0las: you could also test it out with the livecd and ask us if any of your unsupported hardware has been added since november :)[19:24:12] *** ute_ has left #opensolaris[19:24:28] <b0r0las> thanks... in a couple of minutes I try in that machine ...[19:24:47] *** arcame has quit IRC[19:27:25] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[19:27:48] <_Lewellyn> b0r0las: note that not all machines yet support S3 suspend-to-ram, and S4 suspend-to-disk/hibernation is not yet implemented. so if those are core features for you, you may be better off running on a desktop.[19:28:09] <_Lewellyn> but it's definitely worth trying to see if S3 works for you, at least :)[19:31:17] *** popcornPanic has joined #opensolaris[19:31:59] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[19:32:14] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris[19:35:03] *** mib_matt has joined #opensolaris[19:38:52] <mib_matt> anyone in here know much about publishing IPS packages to the opensolaris pending repo?[19:39:57] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[19:40:04] *** bnitz2 has quit IRC[19:41:43] *** aveteam has quit IRC[19:41:50] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[19:45:27] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[19:46:16] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[19:48:07] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[19:48:13] *** eldee has joined #opensolaris[19:48:14] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[19:48:29] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[19:48:56] *** webmink has joined #opensolaris[19:49:16] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:51:57] *** OpenBuntu has joined #opensolaris[19:52:21] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[19:53:37] *** axisys has quit IRC[19:54:30] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[19:57:38] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[19:59:00] <CIA-40> Girish Moodalbail <Girish.Moodalbail at Sun dot COM>: 6812695 ::mac_srs transmit side stats are incorrect for links with multiple h/w rings[20:02:43] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[20:03:45] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris[20:04:09] *** OpenBuntu has quit IRC[20:04:38] *** eldee has quit IRC[20:05:42] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[20:06:33] *** capitano has joined #opensolaris[20:09:38] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[20:11:16] *** OpenBuntu has joined #opensolaris[20:11:23] *** popcornPanic has quit IRC[20:12:52] *** OpenBuntu has quit IRC[20:13:21] <holcomb> where 109 ips?[20:14:10] <_Lewellyn> give it time. they have to package it up.[20:14:12] <seanmcg> not out yet.[20:15:44] *** unafilliate has joined #opensolaris[20:16:21] <seanmcg> your osol machine may know when it is available before you do :)[20:20:12] *** b0r0las has quit IRC[20:21:41] *** nahetss has left #opensolaris[20:22:24] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[20:25:29] <unafilliate> I can boot the sun netra 240 machine and it passes all intial test on hyper terminal and it reaches the login prompt , but i cannot type any thing in a hyper terminal , after 2 -3 tries it gives error : Serial Line login times out[20:27:26] <CosmicDJ> but you could type smth before? on the lom prompt for example?[20:27:53] *** luc^ has quit IRC[20:28:46] <unafilliate> no CosmicDj[20:28:54] <unafilliate> i have no keyboard working on hyper terminal[20:29:16] <CosmicDJ> your (hyper)terminal is set up according to the docs?[20:29:44] <_Lewellyn> unafilliate: it's far better to try to get help in one channel, only. otherwise people won't be aware of what you're trying at other people's suggestions. :P[20:30:00] <unafilliate> Lewellyn : ok[20:30:03] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[20:30:30] <_Lewellyn> the other channel you're asking in is trying to start with the simple stuff, as those take less time to fix.[20:30:44] <ry_laptop> blargity[20:30:55] <ry_laptop> xinfinity[20:31:02] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: didn't work, after all? :([20:31:08] <ry_laptop> seems to so far actually[20:31:14] <ry_laptop> this was what I was going to test first on friday :/[20:31:20] <ry_laptop> what a waste of time, I hate sun documentation.[20:31:27] <ry_laptop> I'm going to write a new doc for this[20:31:38] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: at least you aren't removing Vundo from a Windows DC. which happens to be the DNS and DHCP server, among other things. during the middle of the work day on a busy day.[20:31:48] <ry_laptop> god, fuck that shit[20:31:53] <ry_laptop> you should just find a fun unix job[20:31:55] <ry_laptop> digg.com is hiring[20:32:05] <_Lewellyn> i like my schedule, consulting ;)[20:32:23] <_Lewellyn> most of my work is done lying in bed, as bad as that sounds :D[20:32:35] <ry_laptop> heh yeah[20:32:38] <CosmicDJ> callboy?[20:32:41] <ry_laptop> heh[20:32:53] <ry_laptop> it involves a camera remote contorl[20:32:55] <ry_laptop> control[20:33:00] <CosmicDJ> ah...[20:33:03] <_Lewellyn> i need a webcam. i may earn more money :D[20:33:10] <CosmicDJ> "get nacked"[20:33:23] <_Lewellyn> dude. have you ever coded naked? it's liberating![20:33:44] *** ahl has joined #opensolaris[20:34:07] <CosmicDJ> hm no, but I took a shower naked recently[20:34:29] <ry_laptop> having issues bringing one of the vnics up as an ipmp member... hoping I typoed something[20:34:54] <CosmicDJ> that's not really ipmp if you're doing it with vnics...[20:35:25] <ry_laptop> oh yes, it's ipmp[20:35:30] <ry_laptop> on top of vnices[20:35:32] <ry_laptop> er vnics[20:35:41] <ry_laptop> since the old ipmp stuff is removed[20:35:50] <ry_laptop> and I can't do active/active ip1/ip2[20:35:51] *** ahl has left #opensolaris[20:36:59] <gnb> hm, am i missing something (configuration, etc.) or doesn't opensolaris' snmpd support 64-bit counters?[20:37:01] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC[20:40:20] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[20:41:26] *** nitrile has quit IRC[20:41:54] *** capitano has quit IRC[20:42:42] <ry_laptop> hooo boy I'm tired[20:42:55] <ry_laptop> put standby in the old location, new ipmp needs it in a whole different place. ( of course )[20:43:59] <ry_laptop> that should do it[20:47:46] <ry_laptop> moment of truth.[20:47:54] <ry_laptop> come on interfaces![20:48:10] <ry_laptop> YES[20:48:13] <ry_laptop> that's what I'm talkin'a bout.[20:51:58] *** lizao_ has joined #opensolaris[20:53:07] *** unafilliate has quit IRC[20:55:28] *** unafilliate has joined #opensolaris[20:56:33] *** robertbb has quit IRC[20:57:54] *** stewart has quit IRC[20:58:34] *** unafilliate has left #opensolaris[20:58:39] *** ravv has quit IRC[20:58:55] *** Aizawa has joined #opensolaris[21:00:53] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[21:01:45] *** syamajala has quit IRC[21:02:21] *** liza0 has quit IRC[21:02:47] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[21:03:09] *** mib_matt has quit IRC[21:06:26] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[21:08:54] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[21:09:18] *** Topdeck_ has quit IRC[21:09:33] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[21:10:06] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[21:10:21] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[21:10:30] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[21:13:01] *** ry_laptop has quit IRC[21:14:05] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[21:15:46] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[21:18:07] *** webmink is now known as webmink_away[21:20:13] <_Lewellyn> anyone know how to build php against the system mysql on opensolaris? i'm not getting love[21:20:58] *** jgracin_ has joined #opensolaris[21:21:32] <CosmicDJ> hm, IIRC php is included in sun's webstack[21:21:48] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: i need to rebuild it for a third-party patch :P[21:22:14] <samc> _Lewellyn: I think I did, let me check[21:22:16] * _Lewellyn tries a different approach to configure options :P[21:22:39] <samc> hrm, maybe not[21:22:45] <samc> what's not working for you?[21:22:46] *** lizao_ has quit IRC[21:23:03] <_Lewellyn> let me find the most promising error i've gotten :P[21:23:03] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[21:23:49] <_Lewellyn> configure: error: wrong mysql library version or lib not found. Check config.log for more information.[21:24:14] <samc> hrm, what configure args are you using?[21:24:57] *** mib_matt has joined #opensolaris[21:25:19] <_Lewellyn> config.log complains about -lmysqld[21:25:19] <_Lewellyn> lemme pastebin those... :P[21:25:21] <samc> the package seems to want to put libmysqlclient in some nasty path[21:25:22] <samc> /usr/mysql/5.0/lib/amd64/mysql[21:26:00] <samc> hrm, I have no libmysqld[21:26:04] <samc> darnassus:/usr/mysql $ find . -name libmysqld\*[21:26:05] <samc> darnassus:/usr/mysql $[21:26:17] <_Lewellyn> ./configure --prefix=/opt/php/5.2.8-fpm --with-mysql=/usr/sfw --with-mysqli=/usr/sfw/bin/mysql_config --with-png-dir=/usr --with-gd --enable-gd-native-ttf --with-ttf --with-pspell --with-gettext --with-jpeg-dir=/usr --with-zlib --with-curl --enable-soap --with-ldap=/usr --enable-sockets --with-openssl --with-snmp --enable-mbstring --with-freetype-dir=/usr --with-xpm-dir=/usr --enable-fastcgi --enable-fpm --with-pdo-mysql --ena[21:26:17] <_Lewellyn> ble-embedded-mysqli --with-pdo-pgsql[21:26:21] <flyingparchment> libmysqld is the embedded mysql server[21:26:25] <_Lewellyn> oops. missed a linebreak[21:26:26] <flyingparchment> i'm pretty sure you don't want or need that for PHP[21:26:41] <flyingparchment> (try libmysqlclient instead)[21:26:42] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: it's in the build docs for this purpose :([21:26:50] <flyingparchment> URL?[21:26:55] <_Lewellyn> paper.[21:27:03] *** bam123 has joined #opensolaris[21:27:11] <flyingparchment> well, your docs are wrong. or you need the embedded mysql server.[21:27:25] <_Lewellyn> this is a craptastic cms. :P[21:27:32] <flyingparchment> then it's very unlikely that it does[21:27:39] <_Lewellyn> and, obviously, i can't just build from their rpm spec[21:27:46] *** jgracin has quit IRC[21:27:48] <samc> doesn't look like there's a package containing libmysqld either :([21:27:53] <samc> pkg search -r 'libmysqld*' returns nothing[21:27:53] <_Lewellyn> you'd be amazed at some of the lametarded things they do[21:28:06] <mib_matt> in opensolaris, a recent update made my keyboard layout go wrong. It's using (I think) a US keyboard layout, whereas the keyboard is UK. Setting it to use UK in the Input Method Preferences doesn't seem to do anything. Anyone know why, or know how I can change it?[21:28:34] <flyingparchment> perhaps the person who wrote the docs you're using didn't understand the difference between the client and the embedded server[21:28:39] <_Lewellyn> that's likely.[21:28:40] <flyingparchment> or just enabled all the mysql options in php in the hope that it'd work[21:28:54] <samc> _Lewellyn: what version of mysql do you have?[21:28:56] <_Lewellyn> however there's no libmysqld, so we shall see.[21:28:58] <samc> 'The embedded MySQL server library is NOT part of MySQL 5.0. It is part of previous editions and will be included in future versions, starting with MySQL 5.1'[21:29:05] <samc> from http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/libmysqld.html[21:29:34] <_Lewellyn> whatever is in /usr/sfw/bin, since that's the mysql_config i found[21:30:19] <_Lewellyn> DESC: mysql - MySQL Database Management System (usr component) 4.0.24[21:30:26] <_Lewellyn> 4.0.24 does not seem right...[21:30:32] <_Lewellyn> is it?! :([21:31:22] <_Lewellyn> wow. i guess i need to install a newer mysql, too. :([21:31:40] <flyingparchment> or use the one in /usr/mysql[21:31:54] <samc> the one in /usr/mysql doesn't have libmysqld either :([21:32:08] <flyingparchment> i bet $5 his client doesn't need the embedded server, and the docs are just wrong[21:32:11] <_Lewellyn> ok. does someone have a map of where you find stuff now?[21:32:13] <samc> Server version: 5.0.67 Source distribution[21:32:21] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: it wouldn't suprise me either way[21:32:38] <Keso> ALL: is pidgin working with icq ? I'm getting message about too old pidgin and I'm running 2.5.1[21:32:46] <_Lewellyn> that's embedded-mysqli?[21:32:56] <flyingparchment> never heard of embedded-mysqli[21:33:01] <samc> _Lewellyn: if you need libmysqld you'll probably need to build mysql5.1 (is that available yet?) or some later 4.x[21:33:10] <flyingparchment> mysqli is the new mysql api for php in recent versions[21:33:11] *** liza0 has quit IRC[21:33:28] <flyingparchment> so perhaps they support that for the embedded server too[21:33:33] *** tg has quit IRC[21:33:33] *** tg` is now known as tg[21:33:51] * _Lewellyn has no clue. just trying to follow build docs :P[21:34:05] <_Lewellyn> "it works on rhel" is all i get[21:34:07] <samc> Keso: I'm not sure about pidgin, but the IM client I use in Windows (miranda) has recently started giving me warnings about my icq protocol version being out of date[21:34:53] *** popcornPanic has joined #opensolaris[21:34:58] <MindDrive> Keso, you need to update to at least 2.5.2 where there's a fix for that.[21:35:17] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[21:35:33] <_Lewellyn> sadly, 109 only has 2.5.1[21:35:45] <Keso> MindDrive: hmm does we have it in the pkg repo ?[21:35:56] *** bam123 has left #opensolaris[21:36:06] <MindDrive> I suspect you'll need to build it yourself, Keso.[21:36:24] <MindDrive> (I'd suggest getting the latest release anyhow, since there's been a lot of fixes since 2.5.1.)[21:37:55] <Keso> MindDrive: well, I don't have setup build env on notebook, anyway I'll have to do it :([21:38:09] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:38:49] *** flyankur has quit IRC[21:39:14] <_Lewellyn> ok. so i should be using --with-mysql=/usr/mysql and --with-mysqli=/usr/mysql?[21:39:53] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:40:13] <MindDrive> Sorry I couldn't help more, Keso.[21:40:23] <Keso> MindDrive: of course, no problem[21:41:59] <mib_matt> Has anyone else got the wrong keyboard map since build 107?[21:42:09] <_Lewellyn> mib_matt: known issue. check alanc's blog[21:42:21] <Keso> mib_matt: it's know bug[21:42:25] *** Gekz has quit IRC[21:42:27] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:42:38] <Keso> mib_matt: you have to create xorg.conf and define keyboard[21:42:53] <samc> _Lewellyn: I reckon, yeah[21:43:05] <_Lewellyn> so did i :([21:43:08] <_Lewellyn> mysql_config not found[21:43:08] <_Lewellyn> configure: error: Please reinstall the mysql distribution[21:43:14] <samc> yuck[21:43:14] <samc> hrm[21:43:31] * _Lewellyn wonders why mysql isn't in /usr proper, like everything else seems to be migrating to?[21:43:43] <samc> because it's Different[21:43:54] *** bnitz2 has joined #opensolaris[21:44:08] <CosmicDJ> well, postgres *is* in /usr...[21:44:14] <samc> pgsql is the same, it goes in /usr/postgres/<version> :([21:44:32] <flyingparchment> samc: how else could sun provide multiple versions?[21:44:40] <mib_matt> :-/ maybe I'll just wait until 109 arrives in IPS. I've had one too many run-ins with xorg.conf in the past![21:45:12] <samc> _Lewellyn: do you have symlinks (for bin, lib, etc) from /usr/mysql/ to /usr/mysql/<version>/?[21:45:31] <samc> flyingparchment: having symlinks out of /usr/bin, /usr/lib etc to the most recently installed version would still be nice[21:45:45] <samc> rather than having to mess with your .bashrc to add them to PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH[21:45:46] *** lizao_ has joined #opensolaris[21:45:53] <_Lewellyn> samc: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Mar 2 23:04 /usr/mysql/bin -> 5.0/bin[21:45:55] <_Lewellyn> :P[21:46:00] <flyingparchment> heh - if you have to set $LD_LIBRARY_PATH, something's broken. use -R instead[21:46:14] * _Lewellyn tries to see if removing symlinks from the equations works[21:46:23] <samc> flyingparchment: -R?[21:46:36] <flyingparchment> cc -R/usr/postgres/8.3/lib[21:46:42] <_Lewellyn> yes. that's the proper way[21:47:37] <samc> flyingparchment: oh, well plenty of makefiles don't do that[21:48:46] *** twisti_ 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#opensolaris[21:53:02] *** webmink_away is now known as webmink[21:55:09] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris[21:55:19] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[21:57:16] *** liza0 has quit IRC[21:57:38] *** Jiraia has quit IRC[21:58:17] *** Disorganized has quit IRC[21:59:15] *** proberts has quit IRC[22:00:06] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[22:00:39] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[22:01:24] <_Lewellyn> ok. looking at the webstack sources isn't being helpful :P[22:02:10] <CosmicDJ> tried env CC=cc CFLAGS="-O -I/usr/sfw/include -L/usr/sfw/lib" or smth like that?[22:02:11] <_Lewellyn> oh maybe it is...[22:02:29] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: i'm looking at http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/webstack/php5/etc/common.mk now[22:03:13] *** bnitz2 has quit IRC[22:03:18] *** jsalisbury has quit IRC[22:06:29] *** unafilliate has joined #opensolaris[22:06:32] <unafilliate> hi friends[22:06:35] <unafilliate> can any one help me with recovering ALOM passwords , I am enetred into the " ALOM <ESC> Menu " and now i want to erase the "ALOM NVRAM" , i know this could be done with pressing "e" but here on my menue of netra240 , i dnt see any option with this . other options and some extra options are there but not all same like sun doc explained , kindly help me plz[22:06:51] *** jgracin_ has quit IRC[22:08:30] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris[22:08:56] <Snake007uk> hey guys, need some help with NFS[22:11:07] *** cemerick has quit IRC[22:13:55] <_Lewellyn> ok. looks like the key is MYSQL_LIB=/usr/mysql ./configure --with-mysql=/usr/mysql/5.0 --with-mysqli=/usr/mysql/5.0/bin/mysql_config --with-pdo-mysql=/usr/mysql/5.0[22:14:27] <_Lewellyn> configure should be just about done now and no complaints[22:15:25] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[22:16:11] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC[22:17:10] <Snake007uk> i want kickstart a linux server over nfs the problem is the server gets ip via DHCP and I cant put entry in hosts how can I disable to NFS dns lookup[22:17:54] *** kleppari has quit 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bigjocker has quit IRC[22:24:28] <Snake007uk> is it better to put entries manually in dfstab[22:24:33] <Snake007uk> rather then using share command[22:24:36] <Snake007uk> since if I stop NFS[22:24:40] <Snake007uk> I lose all my shares?[22:24:43] <Berny> share is until next reboot[22:24:48] <Snake007uk> where is the best place to keep for ever[22:24:59] <Berny> dfstab is for permanent shares[22:25:10] <Snake007uk> ah ok[22:25:13] <Berny> edit dfstab and issue shareall[22:25:13] <Snake007uk> thanks[22:25:29] <Berny> or use the zfs sharenfs option if you use zfs[22:25:40] <Berny> takes the same options as share[22:25:47] <Snake007uk> i am using ZFS[22:25:53] <Snake007uk> main reason i moved to opensolaris[22:25:59] <Snake007uk> storage server is ZFS[22:26:10] <mib_matt> i was gonna say, my zfs nfs shares persist over reboot[22:27:12] <Berny> yeah zfs sharenfs sotres it in the dataset directly[22:27:20] <Berny> no need for dfstab or share[22:27:26] <Snake007uk> oh is it[22:27:29] <Berny> set the options and it is shared[22:27:35] <Snake007uk> oh ok ill do that[22:27:56] <Snake007uk> zfs share -F nfs -d Backups -o rw,root= at 192 dot 168.1.0/24,anon=0 /tank2tb/backups[22:28:27] <Berny> zfs set sharenfs=rw,root= at 192 dot 168.1.0/24,anon=0 pool/dataset[22:29:01] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[22:29:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[22:29:36] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[22:29:39] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[22:30:00] *** cypromis has quit IRC[22:30:20] <Snake007uk> how do you check your zfs nfs shares[22:30:28] *** qdot has quit IRC[22:30:32] *** qdot has joined #opensolaris[22:31:25] <Berny> showmount -e[22:31:36] <Berny> or zfs get sharenfs pool/dataset[22:32:08] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[22:32:18] *** szt has quit IRC[22:32:48] *** SunTzuTech has quit IRC[22:33:25] <Snake007uk> im still getting permission denied :([22:33:57] <Berny> you may have to set rw= at 192 dot 168.1.0/24,root=@192.168.1.0/24,anon=0[22:33:59] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[22:34:07] <Snake007uk> oh ok[22:35:02] <Snake007uk> do I have to disable/enable the nfs/server[22:35:21] <Berny> nope[22:35:30] *** lenzi has joined #opensolaris[22:35:48] <Snake007uk> still no luck[22:35:49] <Berny> zfs unshare -a / zfs share -a if in doubt[22:36:19] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[22:36:48] <Snake007uk> same problem[22:37:28] <Berny> what does showmount -e give you?[22:37:32] *** lenzi has left #opensolaris[22:38:02] <Snake007uk> shows me the list of shares @192.168.1.0/24[22:38:45] <Snake007uk> not to sound like a broken record[22:38:50] <Snake007uk> im from a linux background[22:39:01] <Snake007uk> i just had to edit /etc/exports[22:39:23] * Berny just hat to set the otpions with zfs[22:39:25] <Snake007uk> done... worked for everyone?[22:39:36] <Berny> for ~1000 nfs shares ;-)[22:39:44] <Snake007uk> why is NFS trying to dns lookup[22:40:02] *** DerSaidin has joined #opensolaris[22:40:05] *** mib_matt has quit IRC[22:40:11] *** DerSaidi1 has joined #opensolaris[22:40:29] <Berny> try something brutal[22:40:41] <Berny> zfs set sharenfs=on pool/dataset[22:40:49] <Berny> shares it for everyone[22:41:08] <Berny> does that work?[22:41:31] <tsoome> solaris is not linux. linux is not solaris.[22:41:45] <e^ipi> THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS![22:41:58] <Berny> the world is not a disk... 8-)[22:42:07] <tsoome> isnt it?[22:42:10] <tsoome> really?[22:42:11] <acruz> it's a sphere![22:42:13] <Snake007uk> :)[22:42:37] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[22:42:48] <e^ipi> nobody watched TNG when they were younger ?[22:42:52] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[22:42:57] <e^ipi> fine... i'm the only nerd here...[22:43:01] * e^ipi wanders off[22:43:05] <Snake007uk> Berny nope[22:43:08] <tsoome> for dns u wanna check out nfsv4 idmap[22:43:23] *** axisys has quit IRC[22:44:16] *** gnb has quit IRC[22:44:42] <Berny> hmm, is your client trying to use nfsv4?[22:45:26] *** ericjray has quit IRC[22:45:38] <Snake007uk> ive tried settign the /etc/default/nfs to server max version 3[22:45:54] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[22:46:15] <Berny> try to mount with vers=3 on the client[22:46:48] <Snake007uk> i dont believe i can tell the server to use version 3 of nfs during kickstarting[22:47:52] <Berny> true but we wanna find out why it fails ;-)[22:49:13] <Snake007uk> because of the dns entry[22:49:24] <oninoshik1> i did, e^ipi, but it's been a while[22:49:59] <Berny> if you share it for an ip range it doesn't query dns[22:50:03] <Snake007uk> i can mount from any of my servers if i put entry in hosts[22:51:20] <Berny> i can mount any shares just fine without having the client in /etc/hosts or dns (as long aas i have the share set up for ips)[22:51:37] <Snake007uk> i have no idea why... it aint working[22:51:49] <Snake007uk> let me check logs[22:52:59] <Snake007uk> nothing[22:53:56] <Berny> you can run snoop on the server and check if there is anything funny in the network packets[22:57:17] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[22:58:22] *** csjp has joined #opensolaris[22:58:31] <csjp> is it possible to netinstall opensolaris?[22:58:31] <Snake007uk> ive just reboot the server to make sure its nothing holding onto old setup[23:00:35] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[23:00:35] *** sndcrb2 has quit IRC[23:00:35] <alanc> csjp: yes, if you set up an install server for it - see http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/auto_install/[23:00:41] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[23:01:00] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnoor_[23:02:54] *** wbkang has joined #opensolaris[23:03:23] *** sonne_ has joined #opensolaris[23:08:25] *** PicCard_ has joined #opensolaris[23:10:30] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[23:10:35] <_Lewellyn> it'd be awesome if zfs just "repointed" the data from one dataset to another, if they're in the same pool, when you mv a huge dir...[23:10:40] *** moby has joined #opensolaris[23:10:54] <_Lewellyn> i bet that's hardish to implement, though, or it probably would have been done already... hm.[23:11:15] <Berny> something like that is on the roadmap[23:11:28] <Berny> share datablocks with same content[23:11:57] <Berny> was mentioned in one of the presentations a while ago[23:12:36] <_Lewellyn> yeah. it's probably easier said than done, however.[23:12:58] <_Lewellyn> what sucks for me in this case is that it's about 150gb of data. i forgot it was going across datasets :P[23:13:57] <Berny> careful planning ;-)[23:14:11] <CosmicDJ> unafilliate: yeah?[23:14:55] <Snake007uk> Berny still no luck[23:15:23] <unafilliate> oright[23:15:24] <unafilliate> :)[23:15:31] <_Lewellyn> Berny: well, at least now it will be automounted :D[23:15:33] <unafilliate> CosmicDj : can i pm you ?[23:15:53] <CosmicDJ> no[23:16:11] <unafilliate> ok[23:16:22] <_Lewellyn> conversations are best kept in channel, usually. everyone benefits and you benefit from them :D[23:16:54] <unafilliate> _Lewellyn : I agree you but when there is lost of intrest in channel then might PM can do some help[23:16:56] <unafilliate> :>[23:16:59] *** moby has quit IRC[23:17:26] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[23:17:45] *** DerSaidi1 has quit IRC[23:17:49] *** estibi_ has quit IRC[23:19:10] <Berny> Snake007uk, did you snoop to have a look at the mount request?[23:20:17] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris[23:20:27] <Snake007uk> I cant snoop from client but only from server[23:20:36] <Snake007uk> I cant snoop from client but only from server[23:23:37] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[23:23:39] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris[23:23:39] <Berny> thats what we want[23:23:41] *** scoffin has joined #opensolaris[23:23:53] <Snake007uk> nothing[23:23:55] <Berny> examine what the client sends and what the server answers[23:23:58] *** webmink has quit IRC[23:24:02] <Snake007uk> i dont even see the client ip?[23:24:04] *** PicCard has quit IRC[23:24:39] <Berny> hu?[23:24:43] <Snake007uk> yeah?[23:24:46] *** chrol has joined #opensolaris[23:24:53] <Berny> did you run snoop client-ip ?[23:25:40] <Snake007uk> mhttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/107162/ command o[23:25:46] <Snake007uk> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107162/[23:25:51] <Snake007uk> thats the output[23:26:06] <Snake007uk> so it is trying version 3[23:26:49] <Snake007uk> here is a better one[23:26:49] <Snake007uk> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107163/[23:27:09] <Snake007uk> last line just says permission denied[23:27:50] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[23:28:04] *** m3t4l has joined #opensolaris[23:28:29] <Berny> can you paste the output of zfs get sharenfs tank2tb/backup[23:29:06] <Snake007uk> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107165/[23:32:58] *** twisti has quit IRC[23:33:20] <Berny> hmm, looks good[23:33:33] <Snake007uk> so why is it being denied?[23:34:03] <CosmicDJ> whats your client again?[23:34:04] *** acruz has left #opensolaris[23:34:11] <Snake007uk> linux[23:34:17] <Snake007uk> centos 5.2[23:34:22] <CosmicDJ> and your mount command?[23:34:37] <Snake007uk> mount 192.168.1.8:/tank2tb/build /mnt/test/[23:34:56] <Snake007uk> its not the version as shown by the snoop[23:35:19] <Snake007uk> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107163/[23:35:19] <CosmicDJ> ah great, instead of pressing "Continuer" is pressed "Annuler"[23:35:22] <CosmicDJ> ww[23:35:44] <Snake007uk> on line 4 you can see vers=3[23:36:34] *** cwebber has quit IRC[23:38:01] <Berny> just out of interest can you try mount -o vers=2 ...[23:38:02] *** m3t4l has quit IRC[23:38:19] <Snake007uk> ok[23:38:31] <Snake007uk> same permission denied[23:38:34] <Berny> I just checked my linux clients and for reasons i don't remember i forced them down to vers 2[23:38:37] <Berny> bugger[23:38:56] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[23:39:02] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[23:39:33] <Snake007uk> man.... alot of headace...[23:40:19] <_Lewellyn> Berny: because linux historically has issues with "new" nfs?[23:40:35] <Snake007uk> i know one thing for sure[23:40:49] <Snake007uk> if i put in entry 192.168.1.130 hostname[23:40:51] <Snake007uk> it will mount[23:41:33] <Berny> that wouldn't make any sense but try ;-)[23:41:43] *** ravv has quit IRC[23:41:47] <Snake007uk> yes[23:41:48] <Snake007uk> works[23:41:50] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris[23:42:27] <Snake007uk> as soon as i put entry in it works[23:42:40] <Snake007uk> then when i remove it and umount[23:43:16] <Snake007uk> and you cant mount again[23:45:38] <Berny> what do you have in /etc/nsswitch.conf?[23:46:20] <Snake007uk> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107171/[23:46:49] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[23:48:34] *** chrol has quit IRC[23:48:50] <Berny> i'm out of ideas[23:49:02] <Berny> which solaris version did you run on the server?[23:49:03] <Snake007uk> damn[23:49:09] <_Lewellyn> Snake007uk: you have reverse dns for that ip?[23:49:11] <Snake007uk> opensolaris 2008.11[23:49:13] <Snake007uk> nope[23:49:17] <Snake007uk> I do have a dns server[23:49:26] <Snake007uk> but i dont want to put an entry for EVERy server[23:49:34] <_Lewellyn> if you don't have reverse dns, you can't use hostname lookups for nfs[23:49:35] <Snake007uk> considering i build and destroy[23:49:36] <flyingparchment> haha what.[23:49:53] <Snake007uk> i dont want to use reverse lookup for nfs[23:49:56] <Snake007uk> how can i turn it off[23:50:08] <Berny> _Lewellyn, he has it shared for ip range and did try to mount with the server ip[23:50:12] <_Lewellyn> dunno. i have an auto-generated reverse zone.[23:50:19] <Berny> there shouldn't be any hostname lookups involved[23:50:22] <Snake007uk> :([23:52:43] *** [JT] has left #opensolaris[23:52:55] <scoffin> guess I have a similar setup, and I had no problem with mount except I had to mount ver=2[23:53:32] *** jwk404 has left #opensolaris[23:53:47] <Snake007uk> hmm[23:53:57] <Snake007uk> i cant believe the headache[23:54:30] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[23:54:49] <CosmicDJ> I had to mount with reserved port on Mac OS X[23:57:59] <Snake007uk> yeah check this out[23:58:17] <Snake007uk> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107176/[23:58:31] <Snake007uk> basically NFS on soalris/opensolaris required reverse lookup[23:58:34] <Snake007uk> otherwise it wont work[23:59:31] <Berny> nope[23:59:46] <Berny> i don't have any reverse lookup for my home boxes[23:59:56] <Berny> works just fine with just ips involved