March 7, 2009 
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March 7, 2009 [00:00:04] <scoffin> is it possible to have multiple repositories? seems that it just wants to throw out the original repo when I try to add a second ???[00:00:52] *** wewek has quit IRC[00:04:21] <e^ipi> so don't set it as your primary repo[00:05:06] *** luc^ has quit IRC[00:05:35] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[00:06:16] *** arnee has quit IRC[00:07:27] *** medar has quit IRC[00:12:45] <scoffin> uhhh... don't see anything the "package manager" GUI or the "pkg" CLI to not have the repo be "primary".... what am I missing ??[00:13:41] <alanc> not sure about the gui - in the CLI to add a new repo, you simply create it with a different authority name than the existing authorities/repos[00:15:04] *** dmoerner has left #opensolaris[00:16:08] <scoffin> ok, got it... guess my command-line was wrong :-)[00:20:02] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris[00:20:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly[00:23:17] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[00:23:53] *** MindDrive has joined #opensolaris[00:24:24] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[00:28:40] *** Sparcus has quit IRC[00:30:16] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris[00:30:39] <tomww> _Lewellyn: got your copy of SunStudioExpress? wget -O studio.sh "copy&paste_download_tarball_url_here"[00:31:03] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[00:33:46] <_Lewellyn> i'm waiting for 109[00:34:09] <tomww> :-)[00:34:12] <_Lewellyn> it kept dying while trying to download via lynx. i forget that lynx uses /tmp. i usually compile my own to use /var/tmp[00:34:21] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris[00:34:38] *** dmick has joined #opensolaris[00:34:45] <_Lewellyn> i also usually compile in persistent cookies, time indicators on the progress bar, and a few other things :P[00:34:51] <tomww> this is why I wrote about the wget commandline. the same personalized URL may be used for several days[00:35:02] <_Lewellyn> but i'm trying to be good and run system binaries as much as possible[00:35:13] <_Lewellyn> i tried wgetting 109.it laughed at me :([00:35:19] <tomww> if you take your grafical browser and copy&paste the URLthis works perfect[00:35:35] <tomww> thats another download mechanics...[00:35:40] <_Lewellyn> <p>We are sorry, but the download system cannot process your request at this time. Please try again later.</p>[00:35:45] <dmick> anyone know how to find buidl 108 release notes on os.o?[00:36:04] <tomww> I used wget more then 30 times or more whith bootstra-sfe-latest and every download was perfect...[00:36:19] <_Lewellyn> yeah. it's hit or miss what can be wgetted :([00:37:04] <_Lewellyn> and i'll be installing the sun studio package later. i think i have it on my nfs homedir[00:37:30] *** MrDusty has joined #opensolaris[00:37:31] <_Lewellyn> i know i have 12 for both platforms and express for sparc. i bet i have express for x86, too.[00:37:50] <tomww> exactly[00:40:29] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[00:41:28] <_Lewellyn> my priority is seeing if 109 makes things happier for me, though[00:41:40] <_Lewellyn> less than an hour before i know[00:41:48] <_Lewellyn> (provided luupgrade isn't TOO slow)[00:46:23] *** tosh has quit IRC[00:46:28] <tomww> you have zfs root filesystem?[00:46:38] <tomww> then the create is beeldingly fast[00:47:51] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[00:48:51] <_Lewellyn> yeah. it was last time. but i haven't LUed enough on zfs to know if that's normal[00:50:44] *** mikefut has quit IRC[00:51:27] *** stevel has quit IRC[00:51:31] *** dmick has left #opensolaris[00:51:48] *** MattMan has quit IRC[00:52:35] *** gm152 has quit IRC[00:52:49] *** _Lewellyn is now known as lewellyn^[00:54:00] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[00:55:29] *** SpyKee has joined #opensolaris[00:55:32] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[01:03:58] <tomww> alanc: font path changes from sxce to os2008.xx wih dissapearing /openwin/, right? where to put a pcf font then? is this correct:[01:04:18] <tomww> /usr//X11/lib/X11/fonts/pcf[01:05:38] *** suha_ has joined #opensolaris[01:05:43] <alanc> tomww: /usr/openwin should be a symlink to /usr/X11 now[01:06:17] <alanc> put a pcf font in any font dir you want, including a new one - they'll work anywhere - there shouldn't be a pcf subdir in 2008.xx[01:07:46] <tomww> thx. then I'll choose /usr//X11/lib/X11/fonts[01:08:00] <tomww> (SFEfont-terminus.spec that is)[01:09:35] *** dustball has joined #opensolaris[01:10:49] <dustball> heyhey, i have a problem with my solaris. its the 2008.11 version, i am desperately trying to find a driver for the Atheros AR242x wireless lan card[01:11:21] <dustball> is anybody awake?[01:13:01] * lewellyn^ checks which atheros he has[01:14:05] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[01:14:13] <dustball> ar242x or ar5006x, depending on what system you ask[01:14:54] <lewellyn^> google says i have an ar2425/ar5007eg[01:15:00] <lewellyn^> that 5007 sounds familiar[01:15:24] <lewellyn^> but it works with b106 and probably earlier[01:15:51] <dustball> yes something near. well, the problem is its a third party driver and i dont know where to get it for solaris[01:16:08] *** phcoder has quit IRC[01:16:11] <lewellyn^> get it for solaris 10? or opensolaris?[01:16:33] <dustball> opensolaris[01:16:46] <lewellyn^> as i said, the driver's in 106 and probably earlier[01:16:59] <lewellyn^> check the ath page on opensolaris.org[01:19:44] <dustball> woah i hate reading documentations >.<[01:21:36] *** Aizawa has quit IRC[01:21:37] <dustball> lewellyn^ do i need the source or the package?[01:21:47] <lewellyn^> um the ath page isn't much in the way of documentation :P[01:21:57] <lewellyn^> and personally, i'd just upgrade to 106[01:22:09] <dustball> yeah i saw it, just thought because of the /os/ section xD[01:22:25] <lewellyn^> you probably need other things which have come out since 2008.11 to use the card well[01:22:40] <lewellyn^> btw, is this going to be used in a laptop?[01:22:46] <dustball> yep it is[01:23:18] <dustball> i dont own any towers[01:24:10] <oninoshik1> wait a little bit, the market drops much more and Trump will be seling for pocket-lint[01:24:12] <lewellyn^> mmk. from personal experience, let me give 1 piece of advice. always carry a small unsecured AP with you :D[01:24:22] <oninoshik1> oh.. different "towers" ;p[01:24:39] <dustball> sec... ar52***?? but i have a ar5006 O_o[01:24:40] <lewellyn^> connecting to secured networks can be kinda sucky still[01:24:58] <lewellyn^> i have a 5007[01:25:20] <dustball> ok[01:25:35] <dustball> hm brb looking for a acceptable usb-stick[01:25:35] <lewellyn^> but yeah. i've found that if i have a hard time connecting to a secure AP, i just have to connect to an unsecured AP and then try connecting to the secured one again.[01:26:17] <lewellyn^> dunno if that's due to some weird WPA bug tho. i don't think i connect to any wep networks[01:26:38] <dustball> whats an ap? i am from germany, we got different abbreviations[01:26:59] <oninoshik1> Access Point[01:27:18] <dustball> hmpf >.< ok, we got NO abbreviation for that XD[01:27:36] *** tagx has left #opensolaris[01:28:00] <oninoshik1> yeah, well, we're lazy :p[01:28:50] <lewellyn^> dustball: the AP is what your wifi card talks to ;)[01:28:50] <dustball> who is "we"? are you more than one person, oninoshik1?[01:29:05] <lewellyn^> dustball: "america" ;)[01:29:10] <dustball> lewellyn^ i know... i am from germany but not stupid :D[01:29:10] <lewellyn^> we talk as a collective here[01:29:15] <dustball> zomg[01:29:23] <dustball> collective mind, like robots[01:29:25] <lewellyn^> we will assimilate you. ;)[01:29:26] <oninoshik1> the only APs i connect to are unsecured anyway[01:29:54] <lewellyn^> dustball: another thing... if you have non-ascii characters in your ESSID, you can't connect with opensolaris[01:29:55] <dustball> ROFL you never will, we still have russia![01:29:58] *** alfism has quit IRC[01:30:09] <dustball> ahm.. no, easy asciipassword[01:30:09] <oninoshik1> or Gaia... (just finished re-reading The Foundataion series by Issac Asmov)[01:30:18] <lewellyn^> um. no.[01:30:24] <lewellyn^> your ESSID, not your password[01:30:35] <dustball> *head->wall*[01:30:45] <lewellyn^> so no ?blah?[01:30:55] <dustball> well, NETGEAR as essid seems very ascii ^^[01:31:17] <dustball> never seen an essid with non-ascii characters[01:31:31] *** norm2 has quit IRC[01:31:41] <lewellyn^> they are good to keep the casual wardriver away :)[01:31:49] <lewellyn^> "um. wtf is that?"[01:32:07] <lewellyn^> they'll go attack one of the other 3 dozen APs within antenna-view[01:32:19] <oninoshik1> lewellyn^: are you kidding, that would have my undevided attention[01:32:37] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[01:32:39] <oninoshik1> if i did that sort of thing...[01:32:48] <lewellyn^> oninoshik1: mine too, but i've seen no evidence that anyone unauthorized even tries to connect.[01:33:10] *** norm2 has joined #opensolaris[01:33:20] <oninoshik1> and as to if I'm multiple... im also oninoshiko[01:33:27] <lewellyn^> at least not more than the standard 1-time "invalid key" that you see when misclicking in your gui, upon occasion[01:33:57] <lewellyn^> i have 5 nicks in my linked group ;)[01:34:06] <lewellyn^> er 9[01:34:15] <lewellyn^> how the hell did i typo that?[01:34:36] <oninoshik1> that would be a bit more then i need... i just have this (work) and my normal one (home)[01:35:11] <oninoshik1> odds are I won't get un-lazy and go back to having one, eventually[01:35:45] <oninoshik1> err "maybe eventually"[01:35:52] <dustball> someone knowing where i can find the screensavermenu?[01:36:00] <dustball> found >.<[01:36:12] <oninoshik1> you do[01:36:26] <oninoshik1> err "you know"[01:37:13] <lewellyn^> well, 3 are for "squatting" so no one takes em on me. this is my usual "mobile" nick. (changed to it earlier, by request) 1 is the usual-default that most clients give. 1 is the usual-backup most clients give. 1 is the usual-backup irssi gives.[01:37:21] <lewellyn^> that leaves 2 nicks :)[01:39:14] <lewellyn^> oh oh oh! looks like sdm is just about done! yay![01:39:22] <lewellyn^> time to prep for liveupgrade![01:39:53] *** webmink has joined #opensolaris[01:40:52] <samc> it's that webmink guy![01:41:02] <lewellyn^> "Downloaded" i like seeing that[01:41:31] <webmink> samc: I survived CeBIT[01:42:20] *** inaddy has quit IRC[01:43:22] <lewellyn^> webmink: that's a feat[01:43:29] <dustball> WAAAAH[01:43:34] <dustball> this makes me go mad[01:43:41] <lewellyn^> ?[01:43:56] <oninoshik1> gives dustball a trash-bag[01:44:26] <dustball> opensolaris.org tells me to do "prtconf -vp" but my card aint listed...[01:45:11] *** scoffin has quit IRC[01:45:15] <dustball> though it is in the driver-section (where i saw the driver missing)[01:46:09] <samc> webmink: nice, was it pretty good?[01:46:13] <lewellyn^> it should be listed as an "Ethernet controller"[01:46:16] <lewellyn^> look for the pci id[01:46:32] <webmink> samc: Huge, as ever, although not as huge as it's been[01:46:38] *** jwk404 has quit IRC[01:46:41] <samc> I love that the cebit website has an picture with Arnie's face over the text 'register to meet california's technology leaders'[01:46:50] <samc> is he really a technology leade? :p[01:46:52] <webmink> samc: Still takes an age to walk from the entrace to pretty much anywhere you want to be[01:46:53] <samc> +r[01:47:11] <samc> heh, true[01:47:35] <webmink> samc: & still a trade show, so the average alpha-geek can feel pretty lonely among all the suits[01:47:36] <lewellyn^> samc: as long as he keeps using sun's products for the calif gov't, don't question that ;)[01:48:33] <samc> webmink: ahh heh, one of those ones[01:48:49] <samc> lewellyn^: :D[01:48:54] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[01:49:04] <dustball> one ethernet identifies as a "pci144f,7108", the other one as "pci1071,8227"[01:49:36] <dustball> both unsupported, according to the hp[01:49:46] <samc> webmink: I was at your talk in Wellington a couple of months back, by the way .. I don't usually jab random people joining irc channels :p[01:50:05] <lewellyn^> dustball: gimme a min to start this liveupgrade and i'll check my prtconf for you[01:50:05] <dustball> but! as it uses madwifi (which definately supports my card), it ought support my card natively[01:50:11] <dustball> kk[01:50:19] <oninoshik1> samc: while i dont work for SMI, I'm using their kit, so id kinda like them to stay solvent...[01:50:29] <lewellyn^> seriously, upgrading to dev is probably your sanest choice, though :)[01:50:48] <webmink> samc: I'm used to random questions from left-field :-)[01:51:49] <dustball> lewellyn^ who should upg to dev?[01:51:51] <dustball> O_o[01:51:56] <lewellyn^> you[01:52:09] <lewellyn^> you'll get build 108 :)[01:52:17] <lewellyn^> but you may break X. so nevermind[01:52:25] <lewellyn^> wait till 109 :)[01:52:56] <dustball> those aren't rolling updates, are they?[01:54:00] <samc> what's new in 109? I've got a box running 108 happily but getting physical access is a little difficult so I'm not particularly keen to brick it :p[01:54:47] * oninoshik1 hasn't truely bricked a host since snv_91[01:55:11] <lewellyn^> samc: i'm hoping i regain S3 suspend on my laptop[01:55:17] * oninoshik1 hugs LU again[01:55:30] <lewellyn^> samc: oh, and i am hoping GL performance stops sucking[01:55:36] <samc> when I was setting this machine up I wrecked it a couple of times by deleting old boot environments .. I think I'll just leave the old ones there now[01:55:37] <lewellyn^> yay LU![01:55:56] <oninoshik1> that's what ive been doing[01:55:58] <lewellyn^> samc: yeah. i haven't gotten to wheree i've asked about that :P[01:55:58] <samc> lewellyn^: ahh heh, neither really applies to a headless server I guess ;)[01:56:20] *** stevel_ has quit IRC[01:56:28] <lewellyn^> samc: i keep hoping that the power meter in the panel starts working right, too :)[01:56:38] <samc> though I did notice that in 107(I think?) on my old laptop, I've got passable 3d acceleration but no 2d[01:56:58] *** gorem has joined #opensolaris[01:57:01] <lewellyn^> my laptop's been charged 100% since like 10pm last night (it's 5pm now), and it says "Laptop battery 57 hours 40 minutes until charged (11.0%)"[01:57:03] <samc> I can fire up 3d games under wine and they don't go too bad, but firefox runs like trecle[01:57:06] <oninoshik1> samc: what chip?[01:57:07] <samc> +a[01:57:19] <samc> oninoshik1: from memory, radeon mobility 300[01:57:31] <lewellyn^> overall performance of X in 108 made me sad :([01:57:31] <samc> it's a Dell inspiron 6000[01:57:52] <lewellyn^> i forget why i upgraded :([01:58:02] <oninoshik1> hrm... I'll have to look then, mine has a FireGL somthing-or-another[01:58:18] <lewellyn^> luupgrade's taking too long :P[01:58:33] <lewellyn^> no disk activity...[01:58:33] <samc> oninoshik1: ahh true. to be honest I never spent a huge amount of time making it work .. under linux I always had to hack on xorg.conf a bit to make it play nice[01:58:46] <samc> lewellyn^: quiet, almost .. too quiet[01:58:51] <lewellyn^> yes...[01:59:10] <lewellyn^> oh. there's some disk activity. i hope it's luupgrade... i want my % meter now[01:59:25] <dustball> ok, i am off... see you around[01:59:30] <lewellyn^> dustball: be good[01:59:40] * lewellyn^ was just about to check his pci id...[01:59:55] <dustball> oh ok then i'll stay :D[02:00:00] <oninoshik1> samc: i have desktop i use most of the time, so when it wasn't working (ages ago) i never messed with it again[02:00:02] <lewellyn^> pci144f,7128[02:00:04] <lewellyn^> there ya go[02:00:35] <dustball> one ethernet identifies as a "pci144f,7108", the other one as "pci1071,8227"[02:01:01] <lewellyn^> i bet the driver is the same for both our cards[02:01:05] <samc> lewellyn^: my next project is to learn to drive dtrace - seems like a nice way to find out which processes are IO'ing[02:01:07] <oninoshik1> the only reason i've used it some lately was because i was staying with family due to some sholder sergery[02:01:12] <lewellyn^> i don't know if ath was in 2008.11[02:01:31] <dustball> well there is an ath-driver but it doesnt work for me[02:01:32] <lewellyn^> i know i couldn't get the os.o driver to load into solaris 10 properly though (which is why i'm on sxce)[02:01:55] <lewellyn^> samc: i don't want to find out it's not luupgrade.. :([02:02:02] <samc> haha true :([02:03:37] <lewellyn^> b109 yes no no no UPDATING[02:03:44] <lewellyn^> that's promising, i suppose...[02:04:29] *** rv- has quit IRC[02:04:32] <dustball> by the way, is it possible to upgrade from... like the 2k8-version to the 2k9-version without reinstalling everything?[02:04:38] <oninoshik1> anyone use comstar's iscsi target?[02:05:19] <e^ipi> dustball: yes, you would use image-update[02:05:32] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[02:05:38] <dustball> YAY!! rolling updates!![02:06:18] *** enriqueojedalara has quit IRC[02:06:22] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[02:06:25] <liza0> hello[02:06:42] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[02:06:45] * oninoshik1 waves[02:07:26] <liza0> is it ok to use opensolaris to lean how solaris 10 works[02:08:02] <oninoshik1> liza0: it would be better to use Solaris 10[02:08:19] *** fftb_ has quit IRC[02:08:25] *** enriqueojedalara has joined #opensolaris[02:08:28] <liza0> ok[02:08:37] <dustball> *smashes his head constantly against a wall*[02:08:58] *** cwebber has quit IRC[02:09:04] <oninoshik1> see? i knew the padding on the walls was a good idea![02:09:18] <dustball> O_o lol...[02:09:27] <dustball> fluffy pads?[02:09:36] <oninoshik1> white ones, anyway...[02:09:43] <dustball> but fluffy![02:09:50] <dustball> *jumps against wall to hug it*[02:09:51] <lewellyn^> Upgrading Solaris: 1% completed[02:09:52] <lewellyn^> finally.[02:10:08] <oninoshik1> it matches the jackets with the arms around back...[02:10:16] <dustball> ...[02:10:27] <dustball> they dont exist anymore.[02:10:32] <dustball> at least not in germany[02:10:51] <dustball> ok, i need help again xD[02:11:02] <lewellyn^> dustball: look at kinky sex stores? ;)[02:11:04] <lewellyn^> shoot.[02:11:27] <dustball> opensolaris should mount external drives on itself. why does it not mount my hdd?[02:11:36] *** dec_ has joined #opensolaris[02:11:39] <dustball> its on, it has power, it is connected via usb[02:13:04] <dustball> lewellyn^ you call sexstories with straightjackets kinky? O_o[02:13:12] <dustball> hey! we are normal humans too![02:13:32] <lewellyn^> you can find anything that's no longer existent in a sex shop somewhere[02:13:38] <lewellyn^> there's a kink for every freak ;)[02:13:38] * oninoshik1 doesn't know about "nomal"[02:13:40] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[02:14:16] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[02:14:16] <oninoshik1> actually i think if i met someone normal, since ive never met a normal person, they would be weird[02:14:41] <dustball> well, depends on the definition of normal[02:15:25] <dustball> WHY DOES THIS FUCK NOT AUTOMOUNT???[02:15:36] <oninoshik1> well for starters they would have to be from a family with 3.4 children[02:16:00] <lewellyn^> 2.54, oninoshik1[02:16:07] <lewellyn^> dustball: dunno. is the service running?[02:16:20] <oninoshik1> have you started the service that is responcable for automounting?[02:16:21] <jacotton> dustball: can you pull the usb out and give it a second or two, then plug it it ...[02:16:28] <dustball> well, my usb-stick was mounted, too[02:16:49] *** enriqueojedalara has left #opensolaris[02:16:54] <dustball> may-b the external power is the problem[02:16:55] <samc> rpool/zones/eldrethalas/logs compressratio 16.74x -[02:17:04] <samc> I'm not sure why that makes me so happy, but it does ;)[02:17:22] <dustball> brb, smokin[02:17:33] <jacotton> dustball: if its an external driver with a motor etc. its external power.[02:17:47] <jacotton> ... needs external power[02:23:12] <dustball> it has power...[02:23:18] *** dec has quit IRC[02:23:25] <dustball> it has power, its turned on and its connected[02:23:54] <samc> hey here's a question for you guys .. do I need to install some special package to get the version of lofiadm that supports crypto?[02:24:03] <jacotton> dustball: please pull out the usb cable and give is a few seconds the plug it back in to see if it will replumb[02:24:11] <samc> man lofiadm talks about a -c argument to specify a crypto algorith, but the binary I have doesn't like it[02:24:40] <dustball> jacotton i did, i also turned it off and back on again[02:24:41] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[02:24:48] <jacotton> no jay eh ?[02:24:56] <lewellyn^> samc: it likes -c in sxce. that's all i can tell you :([02:25:11] <jacotton> no joy. can't type either[02:25:19] <samc> lewellyn^: heh, aight. maybe just an out of date binary in opensolaris then[02:25:38] <lewellyn^> or there's an encumberance they have to clear? :)[02:25:42] * lewellyn^ wouldn't know[02:30:15] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[02:30:45] *** syamajala has quit IRC[02:31:32] *** rv- has quit IRC[02:35:23] <dustball> oh boy... ok, i will go to bed now... see you around[02:35:24] *** dustball has quit IRC[02:35:40] <trichobezoar> Heh. He's a dustball. I am a hairball. a trichobezoar.[02:36:21] <jacotton> I thought a Bezoar was a hair ball.[02:38:01] * oninoshik1 wants to go home[02:39:45] <lewellyn^> i want to go... oh wait, i'm at home. in bed :)[02:39:58] <lewellyn^> guess i need to run to the japanese market, then. *nod*[02:40:15] <lewellyn^> then to the eastern-european market[02:40:28] <lewellyn^> i'm out of chocolate and the stuff from bosnia's the best deal :)[02:43:10] *** liza0 has quit IRC[02:43:29] *** webmink has quit IRC[02:44:16] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[02:44:28] <oninoshik1> i think my dinner will consist of edemamae[02:44:42] <eviljames> That's not a dinner! It's barely an appetizer![02:44:52] <oninoshik1> depends on how much you eat![02:44:56] <eviljames> Fair.[02:45:16] <eviljames> The Japanese market nearby makes killer Oyako Donburi[02:45:19] <eviljames> Now that's a dinner![02:45:38] <oninoshik1> and at the moment im feeling lazy enough that i don't want to really cook anything[02:46:07] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[02:48:50] *** dniel has joined #opensolaris[02:48:57] <oninoshik1> so, just pull some outta the freezer... warm... add salt... mmm....[02:49:13] <e^ipi> i can't eat soybeans[02:49:20] <e^ipi> they taste... off[02:49:23] <dniel> does solaris has package gestor with resolve dependecy automaticaly?[02:49:39] <e^ipi> dniel: opensolaris does[02:49:44] <e^ipi> ( gestor ? )[02:50:07] <dniel> e^ipi: yes I know[02:50:15] <dniel> but solaris?[02:50:19] <e^ipi> no[02:50:27] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:50:39] <lewellyn^> solaris gives you the gun and bullets. it's up to you if you want to shoot yourself in the foot[02:50:48] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[02:50:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[02:50:50] <lewellyn^> opensolaris will try to re-aim your gun :)[02:50:52] <oninoshik1> solaris does not automaticly resolve deps[02:51:10] <lewellyn^> oninoshik1: it will let you know which packages are missing and let you abort install, however.[02:51:21] <oninoshik1> "foot? ha! lets get the whole leg!"[02:51:33] <oninoshik1> indeed it will, and ive never needed more[02:52:57] <dniel> oninoshik1: shet! I need solaris instead of opensolaris, because opensolaris don't see my raid controler[02:53:12] <dniel> we have an HP Proliant[02:54:01] <dniel> it has a Smart Array Controller[02:54:04] <oninoshik1> RAID controllers? we don need no steenkin RAID controllers![02:55:17] <dniel> oninoshik1: yes but the disk are attached to this controler[02:55:30] <dniel> oninoshik1: it has 8 sas disk[02:55:47] <oninoshik1> i know, im just givin you a hard time[02:56:26] <dniel> are there any form to jump this controller in a big server?[02:57:02] <dniel> solaris ask me for the drive, but opensolaris dont :([02:57:22] <dniel> and it can't see the controller :([02:57:29] <dniel> I prefer Opensolaris[02:59:19] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[03:01:18] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[03:06:39] *** ry-tpro_ has joined #opensolaris[03:06:54] <ry-tpro_> intel ssd works![03:10:19] <lewellyn^> sweet[03:10:29] <lewellyn^> also, this is the world's slowest luupgrade. wtf.[03:11:04] *** bnitz has quit IRC[03:18:52] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[03:19:13] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[03:21:00] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[03:21:10] *** comay has quit IRC[03:26:21] *** authentic has quit IRC[03:26:22] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[03:28:18] <tomww> might take an hour to complete..[03:28:21] *** gorem has quit IRC[03:29:56] <lewellyn^> 106 -> 108 was fast[03:30:22] <lewellyn^> it's been 90+ mins already[03:31:02] <lewellyn^> i swear my disk performance sucks in 108 :([03:32:33] *** tamr has quit IRC[03:34:49] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[03:34:52] <gerryxiao> hello[03:35:06] <gerryxiao> does opensolaris support vmmouse ?[03:35:12] <lewellyn^> vmmouse?[03:35:24] <gerryxiao> vmmouse driver[03:35:31] <lewellyn^> what is a vmmouse?[03:35:45] <gerryxiao> vmware[03:36:05] <gerryxiao> guest mouse[03:36:24] <lewellyn^> well, they emulate a ps/2 mouse, last i checked. so i don't see why not[03:36:48] <lewellyn^> for full integration, you need additions. and i don't know if vmware has additions for solaris. i've never checked.[03:37:25] <gerryxiao> i'm use kvm, want enable vmmouse driver on opensolaris guest[03:37:58] <gerryxiao> should be a x.org driver[03:38:42] <gerryxiao> linux have one, but i don't know how about on os[03:39:16] <gerryxiao> vmmose_drv.so[03:39:34] <gerryxiao> vmmouse_drv.so is there this file?[03:39:35] * lewellyn^ shuts up because he is not following this, at all, anymore.[03:40:23] <gerryxiao> i'm installing os now[03:41:02] *** _burzum_ has joined #opensolaris[03:41:47] <alanc> gerryxiao: yes, opensolaris includes the vmmouse driver[03:42:02] <gerryxiao> alanc: how to enable it?[03:42:13] <alanc> install opensolaris under vmware[03:42:28] <gerryxiao> alanc: i'm using kvm not vmware[03:42:44] <alanc> oh, I've never used kvm[03:43:18] <gerryxiao> alanc: i want to know vmmouse_drv.so in which package?[03:43:24] <alanc> you probably need to run /usr/X11/bin/Xorg -configure when the X server isn't running to make an xorg.conf file, copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then edit the mouse driver from mouse to vmmouse[03:43:37] <alanc> gerryxiao: it's in the xorg-server package[03:43:56] <gerryxiao> then it should be installed by default[03:44:04] <alanc> yes[03:44:09] <gerryxiao> ok[03:44:35] <alanc> HAL doesn't have the right bits yet to autoconfigure input devices, so it's not autodetected yet - that's being worked on, should be here soon[03:44:49] <_burzum_> dose somebody use openvpn with solaris[03:44:51] <alanc> pkg search vmmouse_drv.so[03:44:51] <alanc> INDEX ACTION VALUE PACKAGE[03:44:51] <alanc> basename file usr/X11/lib/modules/input/amd64/vmmouse_drv.so pkg:/SUNWxorg-server at 1 dot 5.3-0.108[03:44:51] <alanc> basename file usr/X11/lib/modules/input/vmmouse_drv.so pkg:/SUNWxorg-server at 1 dot 5.3-0.108[03:45:43] <gerryxiao> alanc: i'm installing opensolaris0906 ,109 build[03:46:14] <alanc> oh, did 109 come out when I wasn't looking? my machine is still on 108[03:46:16] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[03:46:28] <lewellyn^> AH. so i'll have to do that to get synaptics working then, most likely?[03:46:29] <tomww> alanc: 24 feb[03:46:32] <gerryxiao> oops, that's 108 :)[03:46:39] <lewellyn^> alanc: 109's been out all day :)[03:46:42] <tomww> internally[03:46:49] <tomww> at least :-)[03:47:05] <alanc> tomww: no, that's Nevada 109 - haven't seen OpenSolaris 109 yet, even internally[03:47:07] <gerryxiao> but i can't update to 109[03:47:11] <tomww> and sxce[03:47:21] <alanc> i knew about sxce this morning[03:47:24] <tomww> yes figured out whar was meat with 108/109[03:47:45] <tomww> well, to late for me good night all .-)[03:48:00] <lewellyn^> oh, "OpenSolaris" means "IPS" in this case, i take it[03:48:18] <alanc> OpenSolaris 2009.06[03:48:18] <_burzum_> hey do somebody uses openvpn[03:48:20] <_burzum_> on opensolaris[03:48:21] <oninoshiko> lewellyn^: no it means indiana[03:48:39] <alanc> OpenSolaris: The Next Generation[03:48:49] <lewellyn^> oninoshiko: referring to the terms used in the /topic[03:49:04] <oninoshiko> OpenSolaris: the revisionist naming[03:49:33] <alanc> to be followed by: OpenSolaris: Deep Six SVR4[03:49:41] <lewellyn^> opensolaris: confusion for the average joe[03:49:44] *** tamr has quit IRC[03:50:03] <lewellyn^> alanc: to replace it with GNU? :P[03:50:04] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[03:50:05] <oninoshiko> you can have me SVR4 when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers[03:51:17] <alanc> lewellyn: I was thinking of the package format, so not GNU, but IPS[03:51:35] <lewellyn^> mmk. i'm not decided what i think about ips yet ;)[03:52:37] <lewellyn^> alanc: does 109 make dtksh apps work better, RE: fonts?[03:52:43] <lewellyn^> that's a big thing i'm waiting for :([03:53:02] <lewellyn^> yes, i know, file a bug. :P[03:57:16] <alanc> lewellyn^: I haven't run a dtksh script in many years, so I really have no clue what they look like[03:57:42] <alanc> I did have a dtksh script long ago that replaced the stupid CDE analog clock with a digital one in the panel[03:58:06] <alanc> you'll probably get upgrade errors on the font packages in 109 though - see the mail to desktop-discuss this afternoon[03:58:43] <lewellyn^> can they be dealt with after rebooting?[03:59:44] <_dsw> on-call sucks - sun just arrived at site with new expander board.. mehhhh i just want to sleepz[03:59:45] <alanc> should be able to[04:00:56] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[04:01:23] *** g4lt-lappy has quit IRC[04:01:27] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[04:02:05] <kimc> hi gang[04:02:43] <lewellyn^> ok. then i'll wander off while luupgrade (still!) goes on its way[04:02:56] <lewellyn^> i'll worry about font packages after reboot[04:02:58] <lewellyn^> thanks, alanc[04:03:05] * lewellyn^ poofs for an hour or two[04:03:14] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[04:03:23] <kimc> alanc: you here[04:03:35] <alanc> yes[04:03:39] <trichobezoar> u der[04:04:03] <trichobezoar> what's the def pass for the management thing that comes on the x4200?[04:04:06] <kimc> is the graphic install working on b109?[04:04:16] <alanc> no[04:04:24] <kimc> ok tnx[04:04:38] <alanc> well, it is on OpenSolaris 2009.06, not on Nevada/SXCE[04:04:55] <kimc> ah ok[04:05:08] <alanc> but that's the same as the last two builds[04:05:28] <alanc> except that in 109, it broke on both SPARC & x86 in Nevada/SXCE, where 107 & 108 only broke on x86[04:05:29] <lewellyn^> heh. what's the target to unbreak it? also do usage stats indicate whether people actually use the graphic installer? ;)[04:05:33] * oninoshiko never noticed... (never uses the graphical installer)[04:05:53] <lewellyn^> yes, alanc decided to be equal-opportunity for 109 ;)[04:06:09] <kimc> very good :)[04:06:32] <alanc> lewellyn: sparc should be fixed in 110, x86 - TBD - sometime between TBD and never[04:06:42] <lewellyn^> fair nuff[04:06:46] <alanc> very wide target range 8-)[04:06:56] <alanc> err, that was sometime between 110 and never[04:06:59] * lewellyn^ thinks text installer should be default anyhow.[04:07:19] <lewellyn^> how hard is F2 to hit? ;)[04:07:29] <trichobezoar> anybody used the virtual dmedia stuff on an ilom before? notice that it's slow as CRAP?[04:07:36] <oninoshiko> its MY default, even if it isnt on the disk[04:07:53] <alanc> we asked for the missing library dependencies to be added to the miniroot in 110, but haven't gotten an image yet with that all fixed in to find out if that's enough to fix it or there are more issues beyond missing libraries[04:08:09] <lewellyn^> alanc: oh joy. :([04:08:27] <trichobezoar> where'd they go in the first place?[04:08:27] <lewellyn^> anyhow, i need to head to japantown. back later.[04:08:41] <alanc> lewellyn: I don't have usage stats other than the number of people who whine to me about it being broken - so I know there's at least a couple dozen users, but that's not a lot[04:09:34] <alanc> trichobezoar: they were never there to begin with - Xorg upgraded from 1.3 to 1.5.3 in 107 - Xorg 1.5.3 depends on libraries that previous versions didn't (libdbus, libhal, libpixman, libpciaccess, libmd)[04:09:50] <alanc> scary how I've now memorized that list, ain't it?[04:10:02] <trichobezoar> muscle memory++[04:10:05] <tomww> :-)[04:10:41] <lewellyn^> alanc: oh. you just brought up something i was wondering...[04:10:49] <alanc> uhoh[04:10:58] <lewellyn^> will S10U7 come with the new xorg and therefore dbus? :)[04:11:07] <alanc> hell no[04:11:17] <lewellyn^> hahahah. that was the expected answer[04:11:20] <oninoshiko> just remove the GUI installer and be done with it[04:11:38] <lewellyn^> oninoshiko: he said people complained about it being broked[04:11:51] <trichobezoar> I'm glad crossbow came out before >106... Now if only the xVM changes would come in and performance wasn't so terrible[04:11:51] <oninoshiko> he said 12 people complained[04:11:58] <lewellyn^> oninoshiko: and they complain directly to him[04:12:20] <alanc> even if we planned to backport the new Xorg at some point (which we currently don't), it integrated far too late to be backported to S10U7 - that's in stoppers only now, and we're about at the cutoff for new features that want to go to S10U8[04:12:36] <lewellyn^> alanc: that's also very good news to hear :)[04:12:46] <oninoshiko> easily resolved with a simple script[04:12:57] <lewellyn^> alanc: i don't mind no new X, honestly.[04:14:15] <alanc> I don't mind not having to try to do a three consolidation dependency backport dance in tight coordination (GNOME backport dbus, so ON can backport HAL, so X can backport new Xorg)[04:14:43] <lewellyn^> and i really ought to grab a U60 at some point so i can play with sxce/osol on sparc properly[04:14:45] <alanc> that many peple dancing that close together that fast, someone's toes are getting smashed[04:15:40] <kimc> alanc: why dont you put a notice somewhere that the graphic install doesn't work so people don't attempt to install with it?[04:15:44] <lewellyn^> alanc: honestly, the gains are too few to have a massive upgrade like that in S10, anyhow.[04:15:56] <lewellyn^> kimc: or change the default boot option? :)[04:16:07] <kimc> he yeh that too..[04:16:34] <alanc> kimc: I thought Derek was going to put that in the build announcements - I don't know why he didn't - I can't edit the download page or anything like that to post a notice[04:16:39] * lewellyn^ didn't note the lack of graphic installer while installing 108 the other day, due to habit[04:16:47] *** axisys has quit IRC[04:17:00] <lewellyn^> anyhow, store closes soon *poof*[04:17:11] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[04:17:17] <alanc> and changing the default boot option means getting someone to update the Nevada installer, and the people who can do that are busy working on Caiman/2009.06 install instead[04:19:07] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[04:20:32] <kimc> there is the assumption that things work unless they are specified otherwise..[04:21:27] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[04:21:40] <lewellyn^> the lack of complaints indicates how few people use it ;)[04:21:58] <alanc> they're supposed to work, but it's a development build, so bugs will be found[04:22:08] *** stevel has quit IRC[04:22:09] <kimc> yeh i get that[04:22:11] <alanc> for that matter, it's software, so bugs will be found[04:22:22] <kimc> i get that[04:23:57] <sactodave> Will build 109 allow VBox to support USB on Opensolaris Hosts?[04:24:17] <tomww> lewellyn^: other way around: this show the patience of the people :-)[04:24:28] *** iExcel has joined #opensolaris[04:24:58] <alanc> I can't imagine staying up to date on nevada builds using GUI installs for upgrade every time - I've gotten far too spoiled by live upgrade[04:25:21] <alanc> for fresh install, the first time on a new machine, sure, but regular upgrades....[04:25:22] <e^ipi> why would you want the gui installer on nevada anyhow, it doesn't even grok zfs[04:25:30] <e^ipi> you use the text installer on nevada[04:25:47] <alanc> see? I haven't done a fresh install in so long, I've forgotten that[04:25:59] <alanc> back then, there was no ZFS root support[04:26:14] <e^ipi> i'd prefer indiana have a text installer ( not AI ) but there you go[04:26:25] <kimc> so if someone installs b109 there will be quit a few things that don't work with no word on it and thats a problem[04:27:02] <e^ipi> kimc: see: experimental software[04:27:13] <e^ipi> you install the latest and greatest of anything and you'll get burned on occasion[04:27:29] <kimc> i dont quite buy that right now[04:27:56] <e^ipi> well that's silly[04:28:07] <gerryxiao> os default use which disk label?[04:28:08] <e^ipi> it's pushed out every 2 weeks... as in, even if it's got problems[04:28:41] <kimc> it just that you need to have a basic install work[04:28:56] <e^ipi> the text installer works[04:29:08] <kimc> awright[04:30:32] <alanc> kimc: I'm sorry, but that's something to bring up with the website team who post the downloads and the release notes/announcements[04:30:57] <trichobezoar> any idea what the ilom runs?[04:31:07] <trichobezoar> linux on a sa110?[04:31:27] <alanc> I certainly have no idea what most of the issues people will hit in 109 are - I mostly just know the few in the area I work on (X Window System)[04:31:47] <alanc> and for those, I posted a list in my blog for 107/108[04:31:48] <kimc> thanks alanc i don't mean to get on anyone's case here..[04:34:03] <trichobezoar> I use 106. I get crossbow and I dont get the post-106 breakage. I was lucky ;)[04:35:45] *** lzk has left #opensolaris[04:38:35] * oninoshiko starts DLing 109[04:44:06] *** alain10 has quit IRC[04:44:15] *** gnut has quit IRC[04:44:24] *** kimc has left #opensolaris[04:51:27] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[04:51:35] <_burzum_> someone here[04:51:39] <_burzum_> I need a little help[04:51:43] <_burzum_> with openvpn[04:52:38] <_burzum_> this is the error I am getting[04:52:39] <_burzum_> Sat Mar 7 04:53:54 2009 '/usr/kernel/drv/amd64/tun' is not a TUN/TAP device. The --ifconfig option works only for TUN/TAP devices.[04:52:39] <_burzum_> Sat Mar 7 04:53:54 2009 Exiting[04:53:17] <_burzum_> I installed the tun driver from blastwave[04:54:25] *** erast has joined #opensolaris[04:55:06] <lewellyn^> tomww: you don't sleep enough ;) and you'd expect a lot more confused users if they actually were used to using a gui installer ;)[04:56:54] *** aadikr123 has joined #opensolaris[04:57:02] <jbk> hmm cool.. looks like there's more interest in LLDP now..[04:57:11] <lewellyn^> alanc: btw, did 107/108 bring out a new driver for i915/945?[04:57:46] <alanc> lewellyn: a new Xorg driver came in 107 with the Xorg upgrade - the matching kernel DRM module arrives in 109[04:58:05] <lewellyn^> ah. so that would explain the dog-slowness of 108 :)[04:58:23] <lewellyn^> WARNING: <2> packages failed to install properly on boot environment <b109>.[04:58:26] <lewellyn^> meh. could be worse :)[04:59:07] <alanc> yes, Xorg upgrade required upgrade of all drivers, new i915 Xorg driver required newer version of kernel DRI module, kernel DRI module delivered late, so there was a incompatibility for two builds causing DRI to be disabled on i915 chips[04:59:17] <trichobezoar> how should i monitor temp and predictive failure stuff on my x4200?[04:59:20] <lewellyn^> i never dealt with the failed package on 108 :)[04:59:41] <lewellyn^> alanc: i suspected something of that nature. hence the question :)[05:00:04] <alanc> the SUNWopensslr pkg upgrade failure a few builds back was the one you really had to fix, since lots of stuff wouldn't start until you did[05:00:39] <lewellyn^> SUNWlxsl failed on 108[05:00:39] *** iExcel has quit IRC[05:01:13] *** norm2 has quit IRC[05:02:55] <aadikr123> hi[05:03:41] <aadikr123> how do i use dhcpmgr to assign ip address to known clients and deny service unknown clients[05:03:53] <aadikr123> ??[05:05:22] *** norm2 has joined #opensolaris[05:05:27] <lewellyn^> 109, SUNWxwfnt failed in addtition to SUNWlxsl :P[05:05:37] <lewellyn^> about what i expected[05:09:04] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[05:13:19] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[05:15:37] *** dniel has quit IRC[05:17:17] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[05:17:21] *** Odin- has quit IRC[05:18:09] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[05:18:12] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[05:20:33] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[05:21:48] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[05:25:37] *** gnut has quit IRC[05:25:50] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[05:26:21] *** gnut has quit IRC[05:26:32] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[05:35:39] <_burzum_> TIME[05:37:50] <freakazoid0223> 11:38 EST :[05:47:38] *** dguitar has joined #opensolaris[05:51:40] *** liza0 has quit IRC[05:51:52] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[05:54:09] * lewellyn^ has been reading desktop-discuss...[05:54:30] <lewellyn^> so xterm -C is a viable replacement for dtterm -C?[05:54:38] * lewellyn^ adds xterm -C to his startup items[05:54:50] <lewellyn^> we shall see next reboot ;)[05:55:37] <lewellyn^> though dtterm unarguably has a better scrollbar :P[05:56:33] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[06:01:02] *** gerryxiao has left #opensolaris[06:01:07] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[06:03:30] *** g4lt-lappy has quit IRC[06:08:06] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[06:09:05] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[06:11:29] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[06:12:11] <lewellyn^> cpio: Cannot open file "usr/lib/amd64/libexslt.so.0", errno 89, Operation not applicable[06:12:16] <lewellyn^> what does that mean? :P[06:12:59] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[06:15:21] <aadikr123> hey..how do i configure solaris as a router??[06:16:13] <e^ipi> aadikr123: 'man ipfilter'[06:16:35] <e^ipi> also see /topic[06:16:36] *** fluffle has quit IRC[06:16:41] *** dguitar has quit IRC[06:17:04] <lewellyn^> e^ipi: /topic doesn't address my question ;)[06:17:20] *** fluffle has joined #opensolaris[06:17:25] <lewellyn^> that's the output of trying to pkgadd SUNWlxsl[06:17:32] <e^ipi> that wasn't addressed to you[06:17:48] <lewellyn^> i know. just wanting to point out that i looked when i upgraded to 108[06:17:55] <lewellyn^> i'd like to actually resolve this tho :P[06:18:05] <lewellyn^> oh well, i'll resolve it after reboot to 109[06:18:28] *** jfisc has quit IRC[06:20:01] <aadikr123> thanks[06:20:40] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[06:22:31] <samc> lewellyn^: tried trussing whatever's wanting to update the file to see which syscall is failing with errno 89?[06:23:18] <lewellyn^> samc: i'm not sure what to truss? pkgadd?[06:23:57] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[06:24:42] <samc> mmm I guess, yeah .. I wonder if it spawns new processes for file operations or something annoying like that though[06:29:16] <lewellyn^> well, it invokes cpio...[06:29:20] <lewellyn^> as the error message states[06:32:53] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[06:38:09] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[06:38:54] *** anilg has quit IRC[06:41:33] *** anilg1 is now known as anilg[06:41:42] *** _burzum_ has quit IRC[06:41:59] *** Hedonista has quit IRC[06:42:09] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[06:43:23] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[06:45:49] <samc> lewellyn^: gah, haha .. so it does[06:46:27] <lewellyn^> think about it, i am rebooting ;)[06:48:07] *** aadikr123 has quit IRC[06:50:51] *** CompuHacker has joined #opensolaris[06:57:24] <lewellyn^> dude. i think i messed up my new be. :([06:58:28] <samc> aiee :( what's it doing?[06:58:29] <lewellyn^> after i did a zfs set mountpoint=/mnt rpool/ROOT/b109/var, mounted it, then unmounted it, i set the mountpoint to none. i think that may have been unwise...[06:58:29] *** ry-tpro has quit IRC[06:58:47] <CIA-40> yong tan - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Yong.Tan at Sun dot COM>: 6812232 bge driver should fix the debug message[06:59:17] <lewellyn^> i suppose i could remove the BE and LU again and reboot tomorrow :([07:03:47] *** gm152 has quit IRC[07:03:48] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[07:03:55] *** goo2 has left #opensolaris[07:04:43] <lewellyn^> unless someone knows how to undo what i did, of course...[07:06:11] *** CompuHacker has quit IRC[07:08:52] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[07:09:40] <lewellyn^> ok. seriously. nwam's making me sad :([07:11:59] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[07:18:04] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[07:19:02] *** oxygen-a1dict has quit IRC[07:20:07] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[07:21:12] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[07:27:28] *** cypromis has quit IRC[07:30:24] *** axisys has quit IRC[07:37:03] *** [JT] has quit IRC[07:38:49] *** GNUix has quit IRC[07:40:31] <gnut> I can't seem to read some of the files on the snv_109 iso when I mount it... it says cannot read device.[07:41:30] <lewellyn^> gnut: using lofi?[07:41:36] <gnut> lewellyn: yeah[07:41:51] <lewellyn^> hm. i had no problems... what are you doing that can't read it?[07:41:55] <gnut> I'm on snv_105[07:42:22] <gnut> I just use "pfexec mount -Fhsfs /export/sol-nv-b109-x86-dvd.iso /mnt"[07:42:31] <gnut> I can enter the /mnt directory and ls the files[07:42:55] <gnut> but when I go into boot/grub and type "file menu.lst", it says cannot read device or address[07:43:07] <gnut> so when I try and luupgrade, it will naturally fail[07:43:32] <lewellyn^> hm. i can read mine.[07:43:36] <lewellyn^> did you verify the checksum?[07:43:41] <gnut> yeah[07:43:56] <gnut> I think it may be my setup... could I have a corrupted file then?[07:44:16] <gnut> I can mount and read other iso's fine... it seems like it's just the sxce iso's that I can't read[07:44:23] <gnut> I couldn't read b108 either.[07:46:54] <lewellyn^> i dunno...[07:48:13] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[07:48:14] <gnut> hmm... thanks anyway though[07:49:10] <gnut> just out of curiosity, do you have a 64-bit machine?[07:52:53] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[07:53:09] <lewellyn^> dude. nwam really makes me sad :(([07:53:19] <lewellyn^> yup[07:53:48] <gnut> hmm... yeah. I just checked my other machine and my machine at work[07:53:57] <gnut> they both work, and they're both 64-bit[07:54:06] <gnut> maybe I can't do it since this thing is 32-bit?[07:54:28] * lewellyn^ has no idea[07:54:41] <lewellyn^> i'm still trying to figure out how to undo what he did so he can luactivate[07:54:47] <lewellyn^> so i can, even[07:54:54] <lewellyn^> i meant to /me that line ;)[07:58:31] <gnut> ahhh!!![07:58:37] <gnut> how unlucky of me[07:58:41] <gnut> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6795154[07:59:00] <gnut> I should have stayed on 103 for one more build :)[07:59:47] *** ken has quit IRC[08:00:26] <lewellyn^> hm. can you replace /kernel/drv/lofi from the old BE? :)[08:00:43] <gnut> that's what it says I need to do... Unfortunately, I don't have it anymore[08:01:00] <lewellyn^> i wonder if a newer one would work?[08:01:08] <gnut> I have 103 at work, so I can try to get it from there[08:02:41] <lewellyn^> try http://looking-glass.greenviolet.net/Solaris/lofi.tar if you want the one from 106[08:03:51] <gnut> thanks[08:03:55] <lewellyn^> np[08:04:22] <lewellyn^> i'd gzip it, but meh. it's 28k :D[08:05:47] <gnut> hehe.. it's fine. didn't even notice the download[08:06:00] <gnut> it still doesn't work... must I reboot for it to work?[08:06:49] <gnut> I will reboot[08:06:50] <lewellyn^> probably[08:06:58] * lewellyn^ hopes he didn't kill gnut's machine :([08:07:06] <gnut> hehe... :) it's just lofi[08:07:08] <gnut> brb[08:07:13] *** gnut has quit IRC[08:11:21] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[08:12:00] <gnut> lewellyn: woohoo... seems like it works now![08:12:04] <gnut> thanks[08:12:09] <lewellyn^> sweet[08:12:20] <lewellyn^> i wish you had found that days ago when you were asking ;)[08:12:32] <gnut> heheh... yeah.. me too :)[08:12:37] <lewellyn^> tarring up a file and scp'ing it over is nothing ;)[08:12:38] <gnut> sometimes, it just takes time[08:14:07] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:17:01] *** anilg has quit IRC[08:19:10] <lewellyn^> i wish i could find the answer to *my* problem :([08:19:23] <lewellyn^> i don't think this issue was even possible with ufs[08:19:57] <lewellyn^> and i don't think i've LU'ed any zfs-rooted machines before a week or two ago :)[08:20:17] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[08:26:50] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[08:26:53] *** perlmongo has joined #opensolaris[08:30:13] *** tamr has quit IRC[08:35:21] *** __ms_ has joined #opensolaris[08:35:49] <gnut> you're having LU issues?[08:36:08] <lewellyn^> yeah.[08:36:10] <lewellyn^> :([08:36:30] <gnut> like what?[08:36:39] *** __ms has quit IRC[08:36:57] <lewellyn^> i changed the mountpoint of /var for the new be so i could review the logs. i unset it when i unmounted it.[08:37:04] <lewellyn^> now luactivate is displeased with me[08:39:47] <gnut> hmm... can you luactivate back to the old BE?[08:41:26] <lewellyn^> i can't luactivate the new one ;)[08:41:46] <lewellyn^> and i'm thinking it's better to solve it than remove the new be and try again[08:42:01] <lewellyn^> i'll note that i cannot foresee a way for this to happen with ufs :P[08:47:52] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[09:10:20] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[09:12:53] *** Panarchy has joined #openSolaris[09:12:57] * Panarchy says Hi[09:12:58] <Panarchy> Does anyone know how many NICs are in-built to the Sun Fire X4600 M2 Server?[09:14:02] <lewellyn^> gnut: any ideas? :P[09:17:55] <fraggeln> Panarchy: sun.com will know :D[09:23:25] *** Panarchy has left #openSolaris[09:23:32] *** smtms has quit IRC[09:23:37] <lewellyn^> fraggeln: i gave him the url in another channel when he claimed otherwise :P[09:31:37] <lewellyn^> i guess i'm stuck till people who know about lu+zfs show up :P[09:31:49] <lewellyn^> i refuse to delete the BE unless i have to ;)[09:34:08] *** bender183 has joined #opensolaris[09:36:57] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[09:38:24] *** ken has quit IRC[09:44:47] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[09:51:11] *** bender183 has quit IRC[09:52:24] *** Guest24605 has joined #opensolaris[09:52:30] <Guest24605> ciao[09:52:48] <Guest24605> lista[09:52:57] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[09:53:26] *** Guest24605 has left #opensolaris[09:56:23] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[10:01:33] *** capaz has quit IRC[10:03:33] <lewellyn^> how well are ati video cards supported in opensolaris?[10:03:46] <lewellyn^> is there a working DRM module? do they support S3?[10:06:30] <tsoome> uhm, whats about lu+zfs?[10:06:34] *** gorem has joined #opensolaris[10:07:08] <lewellyn^> tsoome: i can't luactivate :([10:07:20] <tsoome> why?[10:08:01] <fkr> good morning[10:08:17] <lewellyn^> tsoome: i'll explain in a moment :P[10:08:21] <lewellyn^> morning, fkr[10:08:33] <tsoome> morning[10:09:42] <lewellyn^> tsoome: ok. so, after luupgrade, i mounted my new BE's /var by changing its mountpoint. after i was done, i unset its mountpoint. now, i can't luactivate[10:10:24] <tsoome> you didnt use lumount?[10:11:23] <lewellyn^> er no? :([10:11:48] <tsoome> try lumount to mount it again, perhaps it will fix it[10:11:58] <tsoome> and luumount to unmount it[10:12:43] <tsoome> also, if you have /var as separate dataset, you may wanna make sure its attributes are ok[10:13:24] <tsoome> if i recall, they should be quite like for /[10:14:17] <tsoome> or as you have working BE, compare them to your current BE[10:16:30] <tsoome> its /.alt.b109 for / ?[10:16:55] <tsoome> set the /var mountpoint manually i guess[10:18:02] <lewellyn^> tried that already: -> http://nopaste.info/9f83728555.html[10:18:36] <tsoome> aha, you got hit by that issue:D[10:18:58] <tsoome> you have /var/run in /var[10:19:16] <tsoome> in mountpoint i mean[10:19:35] <tsoome> zfs will not mount in non-empty directory[10:20:31] <tsoome> you need to mount / manually, but make sure you set mountpoint back it was after unmount[10:21:23] <tsoome> afaik you cant lumount just / ...[10:26:01] <lewellyn^> so am i best-off just running a new lu-cycle? :P[10:26:43] <lewellyn^> if so, can i lucancel? or just ludelete?[10:27:10] <lewellyn^> i'd like to point out again that i don't think that this situation is possible on ufs :([10:33:57] *** CyberBlue has joined #opensolaris[10:34:36] <lewellyn^> tsoome: do you know which command i should use? ;)[10:35:05] <tsoome> s will be mounted over non-empty directory, yes[10:35:09] <tsoome> ufs*[10:36:07] <lewellyn^> and you can't unset a ufs mountpoint like that ;)[10:36:11] <tsoome> you need to set mountpoint for new BE /; mount it and clean up /var; then unmount and set mountpoint back to the value it was[10:36:14] <lewellyn^> that's what broke it[10:37:00] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[10:38:36] <tsoome> its because you didnt set /var mountpoint back it was and that did confuse lu[10:42:03] <tsoome> so. luactivate did mount /; attempted to mount /var and failed, but then did create /var/run[10:42:40] <tsoome> when you fixed /var mountpoint, it did attempt to mount /var but since mountpoint was not empty, it did fail[10:44:17] <tsoome> i had those issues when i did split / and var manually after I had converted S10U6 to zfs with lu[10:46:12] <lewellyn^> so if i zfs mount the b109 /, i should be fine after rm -rf * in /var?[10:47:12] <lewellyn^> or just rm /path/to/var/run?[10:47:17] <lewellyn^> rmdir even[10:49:47] <lewellyn^> ok. i can lumount/luumount now[10:49:53] <lewellyn^> let's see if luactivate works[10:50:21] <lewellyn^> it was already activated... o_O[10:50:37] <lewellyn^> good thing i didn't reboot, eh?[10:51:01] <lewellyn^> oh god :P[10:52:12] <lewellyn^> it's at least as bad now :([10:52:33] <lewellyn^> now it can mount var but not /[10:52:34] *** ken has quit IRC[10:53:45] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[10:59:02] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[11:08:25] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[11:12:06] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[11:20:08] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris[11:22:24] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[11:26:03] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[11:26:05] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[11:27:09] *** e1mer has quit IRC[11:28:48] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[11:32:25] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[11:34:19] *** cydork has quit IRC[11:35:46] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[11:37:31] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[11:40:30] *** cydork has quit IRC[11:45:28] *** gorem has quit IRC[11:46:06] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[11:46:31] *** wokolad has joined #opensolaris[11:47:12] *** cydork has quit IRC[11:47:35] *** robertbb has quit IRC[11:47:52] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[11:48:16] <wokolad> Hi all.Is there a way to make firefox work faster?Should I waste my time and recompile the OS and libs so the system will work better?[11:50:22] <Berny> don't think that would help[11:50:22] <lewellyn^> no[11:50:29] <lewellyn^> firefox is ass-slow[11:50:44] <lewellyn^> wokolad: do you *need* firefox?[11:50:50] <Berny> (open)solaris already comes with optimized libs for different architectures[11:50:58] *** robertbb has joined #opensolaris[11:51:06] <trygvis> this is a facinating bug: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6809578[11:51:14] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[11:51:16] <trygvis> didn't sun even try to boot opensolaris before shipping it?[11:52:33] <lewellyn^> trygvis: um. i think we all know about that one, by now :P[11:52:52] <trygvis> :) I'm still on 101[11:52:57] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[11:53:09] <lewellyn^> if it's the bug i'm thinking of, a simple upgrade won't affect you[11:53:15] <Berny> trygvis, is this stuff already in the opensolaris install iso? i thought the livecd/install image was still a bit behind and one had to pkg update to the developer build?[11:53:44] <trygvis> I don't use the opensolaris distro, sxce only[11:53:51] <Berny> this might hit sxce though[11:54:07] <Berny> .oO(where everyone uses lu anyway :-P)[11:54:26] <lewellyn^> sxce's gui installer has been broken since the new xorg hit in 107, on x86[11:54:31] <trygvis> yah, that's what I use too. but it is still amazing that such a bug get through[11:54:37] <lewellyn^> it managed to die for sparc for 109[11:54:43] <trygvis> k[11:55:02] *** cydork has quit IRC[11:55:09] <lewellyn^> trygvis: the releases happen whether there's known bugs or not. they're for developers, not end-users or production[11:55:30] *** cri__ has joined #opensolaris[11:55:37] <Berny> the problems with the new xorg version in 107 have been talked about in all length ;-)[11:55:40] <trygvis> sure, but releasing something that can't be installed without dicking around really isn't smart for new users[11:55:45] <trygvis> s,users,developers,[11:55:46] <Berny> everyone knows there are problems...[11:56:01] <Berny> the text-installer works[11:56:04] <lewellyn^> trygvis: most seasoned solaris admins don't even TRY a gui install[11:56:09] <Berny> that you want anyway for zfs root :-P[11:56:10] *** mikefut has quit IRC[11:56:22] <lewellyn^> you can be almost at package installation in text mode before the gui installer finishes starting[11:56:30] <trygvis> still, my point still stand[11:56:39] <lewellyn^> and you need the text installer to install properly, regardless.[11:56:51] <lewellyn^> all the docs say to install in text mode, else you end up with ufs[11:57:00] <lewellyn^> the same as the solaris 10 docs[11:57:14] <Berny> well as I said there have been tons of warnings about the xorg problems[11:57:21] * lewellyn^ wonders if S10U7 will get a new zfs version[11:57:23] <Berny> and when those issues are supposed to be fixed[11:57:44] <lewellyn^> yup. that's why i need to get a working 109 BE here, so i can test the new i915 DRM :D[11:57:59] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[11:58:12] <Berny> oh well 2 more hours for the 109 dl to finish :-\[11:58:24] <Berny> lunchtime anyway[11:58:53] <lewellyn^> i have had it installed for hours[11:59:01] <lewellyn^> i broke the be and can't luactivate :([11:59:16] * lewellyn^ wins at the intardnetz[11:59:36] <lewellyn^> wait. i win at the solarz[12:01:47] *** cydork has quit IRC[12:07:47] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[12:07:48] *** servo- has quit IRC[12:09:52] *** cydork has quit IRC[12:11:21] *** mega_ has quit IRC[12:14:30] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[12:15:16] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[12:16:27] *** cydork has quit IRC[12:20:16] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[12:21:20] *** cydork has quit IRC[12:22:33] <robertbb> If I want to play with ZFS features in Solaris, am I OK to use a 32 bit system, or would I gain anything (or any functionality) by investing in a 64bit box?[12:23:14] <robertbb> I guess not just ZFS, but storage/networking features in general..[12:23:44] <trygvis> just make sure you have at least 2GB ram[12:24:21] <robertbb> Other than that, there's nothing I'd be missing out on in the 64bit version?[12:24:36] <trygvis> nah, you should be fine[12:25:04] <robertbb> Cheers, thanks :-)[12:25:36] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[12:27:56] <lewellyn^> robertbb: some software assumes that you have a 64-bit kernel, however ;)[12:28:04] *** cydork has quit IRC[12:28:26] <robertbb> lewellyn^: Such as?[12:28:53] <lewellyn^> robertbb: i understand that asterisk has a binary available that makes that assumption[12:29:08] *** MrDusty has quit IRC[12:29:15] <lewellyn^> nothing with the base os should have a problem with a 32-bit kernel[12:29:33] <lewellyn^> just check requirements of any third-party stuff :)[12:29:55] <trygvis> I've never seen software requiring 64bit on osol[12:29:57] *** MrDusty has joined #opensolaris[12:30:18] <robertbb> Oh. But general solaris features: ZFS, DTrace, SMF, FMA... all would work the same on 32bit?[12:30:23] <trygvis> yep[12:30:25] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[12:31:15] <lewellyn^> trygvis: none of the base os stuff, as i said[12:31:32] <robertbb> That's all I really need at this stage :-)[12:31:34] <trygvis> I haven't found any software *at all* with issues[12:31:40] <robertbb> Thanks for the info folks[12:31:46] <trygvis> actually, most software is mostly 32 bit[12:33:21] *** ggeecko has joined #opensolaris[12:34:18] *** ken``_ has quit IRC[12:34:38] *** cydork has quit IRC[12:34:52] *** ken`` has joined #opensolaris[12:35:26] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[12:35:27] <lewellyn^> trygvis: some software authors think they "need" 64 bits.[12:35:40] <lewellyn^> luckily, they're few and far between[12:35:44] *** cydork has quit IRC[12:35:57] <lewellyn^> most things that really do also offer 32-bit versions which have the appropriate limitations[12:36:03] <lewellyn^> (mysql and oracle pop to mind)[12:38:22] *** hsp has quit IRC[12:39:48] *** e1kg1 has left #OpenSolaris[12:39:50] *** SpyKee has quit IRC[12:40:27] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[12:44:26] *** saohh has joined #opensolaris[12:44:42] *** niq has quit IRC[12:46:19] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[12:48:01] *** pkoc has joined #opensolaris[12:48:33] <lewellyn^> so, how can i blow away the failed BE safely?[12:48:49] <lewellyn^> would that be lucancel or ludelete?[12:49:03] *** ken is now known as ken[`][12:54:02] *** CyberBlue has quit IRC[12:55:04] <trygvis> ludelete[12:55:33] <lewellyn^> mmk... *crosses fingers*[12:55:38] <ravv> Does virtualization need 64bits hosts if you want to have guests with alot of memory?[12:55:50] <lewellyn^> ravv: define "lot"?[12:56:00] <ravv> 4gb+[12:56:21] <lewellyn^> you really want a 64 bit host if you have > ~3gb ram[12:56:55] <lewellyn^> unless opensolaris is smarter about "relocating" device memory[12:58:05] <ravv> How about PAE?[12:58:49] <lewellyn^> relying on PAE is like hoping going downhill will make your car accelerate faster[12:59:06] <lewellyn^> you won't necessarily get the results you want[12:59:08] *** anilg has quit IRC[12:59:09] *** dguitar has joined #opensolaris[13:00:22] <ravv> I might have misunderstood everything but doesnt x64 system have PAE aswell?[13:00:29] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris[13:01:51] *** cri__ has quit IRC[13:02:17] <lewellyn^> ravv: but the virtual address space is still 32 bits.[13:02:29] <lewellyn^> ravv: so you can end up with massive context switching[13:02:58] <lewellyn^> sure, well-written apps won't have that problem[13:03:11] <lewellyn^> but well-written apps can also "deal" with < 4gb ;)[13:03:20] <monsted> and PAE even reduces the virtual address space that each app gets further[13:03:36] <lewellyn^> i dunno what happens to multiple zones when they're accessing 3gb each, at once.[13:03:47] <lewellyn^> i can only imagine the machine grinding to a halt[13:04:36] <tsoome> doesnt matter if its zones or non-zones[13:06:18] <lewellyn^> tsoome: well, each app can theoretically only get ~ 4gb each, anyhow. and he's specifically asking about zones (i think. he said "virtualization", which is somewhat unclear)[13:07:39] <tsoome> zone tag is just another attribute for your process. to make it possible to limit resources based on the value of this tag:D[13:08:04] <robertbb> What components of FISHworks if any are available to play with on OpenSolaris?[13:08:23] <lewellyn^> tsoome: yes, but that's the only time i can see someone managing to use (say) 16gb on a 32-bit system ;)[13:08:42] <robertbb> Or does one only get to play with FISHworks if they buy a 7000 series?[13:08:51] * lewellyn^ is still annoyed that he managed to kill his BE before ever booting it[13:09:57] <tsoome> well, now you know - unix is wanderful system, it will provide so many tools and ways to shoot yourself:P[13:10:14] <lewellyn^> what does this mean? ERROR: This boot environment <b109> is the last BE on the above disk.[13:10:18] <saohh> hi all together, iam for some years now, a linux user, started and suse, tried then redhat/fedora, gentoo, debian and also lfs, now i am looking for new system that is a bit more solid, since hurd is in very beta for now, i think about solaris[13:10:26] <lewellyn^> tsoome: i've never had a problem liveupgrading ufs ;)[13:10:42] <lewellyn^> haha. i think hurd's in beta forever[13:10:44] <tsoome> you mean, you didnt screw it up before....[13:10:56] <saohh> for a linux user, which version is good if you want to make text (openoffice, firefox, some openarena maybe and irc) ?[13:10:56] <lewellyn^> wait, it's in BETA now? since when!?[13:11:19] *** clyons has quit IRC[13:11:22] <lewellyn^> tsoome: i blame zfs for not letting me mount more easily ;)[13:11:36] <lewellyn^> tsoome: any idea on that error?[13:11:41] <saohh> there are opensolaris, opensolaris community edition and solaris10 which one is the right for a ex linux "newbie solaris user" ?[13:11:57] <saohh> no i just called it beta, sry for that mistake (was my fault)[13:12:10] <tsoome> last be means its the last. you dont have any other BE left...[13:12:22] * lewellyn^ lets someone else answer saohh, as he doesn't know the differences that osol has[13:12:22] <Berny> lewellyn, is that be activated?[13:12:29] <lewellyn^> Berny: not active, no[13:12:33] <lewellyn^> tsoome: er, no?[13:12:41] <tsoome> lustatus[13:12:56] <lewellyn^> tsoome: -> http://nopaste.info/b45c50a70c.html[13:13:11] <lewellyn^> i'm running: pfexec ludelete b109[13:13:24] <Berny> lewellyn, you may manually clean out /etc/lu and /etc/lutab and than zfs destroy the new be's datasets[13:13:33] <Berny> if you really know what you're doing ;-)[13:13:40] <lewellyn^> i apparently do not[13:13:52] <Berny> i've seen this once on a notebook[13:14:01] <Berny> never found another workaround though[13:14:11] <lewellyn^> Berny: it's because i assumed that i could do things like i did with ufs ;)[13:14:16] <ewdafa_> saohh: well. i'd recommend opensolaris ce or nexenta. freebsd is worth a shot too if you're just experimenting[13:14:30] <lewellyn^> S10U6 saw my first zfs disks, so lu and zfs is new to me, still.[13:14:40] <tsoome> you still can - except you need to be more careful:D[13:14:52] <lewellyn^> tsoome: not quite the same :([13:15:06] <tsoome> like?[13:15:34] <lewellyn^> like, you can't unset a mountpoint like you can on zfs ;)[13:15:37] <Berny> lewellyn, you may also create a new be and repeat the lu (without screwing it ;-)) and clean up later[13:16:01] <lewellyn^> Berny: i would like to either get this one to activate, or get rid of it.[13:16:30] <jmcp> lewellyn: ludelete[13:16:36] <tsoome> yes you can. screw up vfstab and you will see things....[13:16:41] <lewellyn^> jmcp: um, i did. :P[13:16:47] <jmcp> no good?[13:17:00] <lewellyn^> jmcp: i pasted the error and a pastebin of lustatus[13:17:05] <jmcp> ah[13:17:07] <Berny> <lewellyn^> what does this mean? ERROR: This boot environment <b109> is the last BE on the above disk.[13:17:07] * jmcp catches up[13:17:20] <lewellyn^> i can pastebin the whole ludelete if you'd like[13:17:39] <jmcp> yeah, might be good[13:17:45] <jmcp> did you try with a -f, btw?[13:18:00] <Berny> that one time i saw that -f didn't help[13:19:01] <lewellyn^> that whole output distresses me[13:19:11] <lewellyn^> so i'm not willing to try -f with that[13:19:11] <jmcp> robertbb: the appliance kit is basically the non-free stuff. You can play with it in a VM if you download it from http://www.sun.com/storage/disk_systems/unified_storage/resources.jsp[13:19:36] *** cmihai has quit IRC[13:19:41] *** pkoc has quit IRC[13:19:44] <tsoome> uhm, why didnt you clean up your /var mount point?[13:19:49] <jmcp> lewellyn: you still have an active b108[13:19:58] <Berny> lewellyn, did you try to lumount that be and clean out the /var mountpoint?[13:20:14] <lewellyn^> Berny: yes. but luactivate seems to try to mount /var first[13:20:31] <lewellyn^> it claims that there's no mountpoint or something akin, then[13:20:47] <Berny> huh that is strange[13:20:49] <lewellyn^> tsoome: i did. /var showed back up at some point[13:20:59] <lewellyn^> tsoome: so now i just want to get rid of this doomed BE[13:21:00] <tsoome> ?![13:21:08] <Berny> did you play with the mount options for the zfs datasets?[13:21:17] <lewellyn^> Berny: that's what caused this ;)[13:21:43] <Berny> AH![13:21:48] <Berny> do not do that[13:21:50] <Berny> :-P[13:22:04] <tsoome> mkdir /.alt.b109; zfs mount rpool/ROOT/b109; rmdir /.alt.b109/var/run; zfs unmount rpool/ROOT/b109[13:22:17] <tsoome> should be it,.....[13:22:30] <tsoome> and your BE should be quite fine....[13:22:50] <tsoome> you can test it later with lumount b109[13:22:56] <lewellyn^> tsoome: my .sh_history indicates that's what i did. lemme try again...[13:23:30] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[13:23:50] <tsoome> just in case you may wanna check if there is anything else in that /var[13:23:59] <jmcp> perhaps use an altroot[13:24:08] <tsoome> shouldnt be really....[13:24:12] <jmcp> zfs mount altroot=/tmp/b0rked rpool/ROOT/b109[13:24:35] <Berny> if you really screwed the mount options vi /etc/lutab, rm /etc/lu/*.[12], zfs destroy the datasets and start with a clean slate ;-)[13:24:47] <Berny> .oO(gosh i'm in a brutal mood today)[13:24:55] <jmcp> it's the /etc/lu/ICF* files that you need to examine carefully[13:25:21] <robertbb> jmcp: Appliance Kit == FISHworks?[13:25:40] <jmcp> robertbb: yeah[13:25:53] <lewellyn^> http://nopaste.info/ffb3f36971.html[13:26:09] <lewellyn^> lumount and luumount worked quite a few times consecutively[13:26:22] <lewellyn^> now i can't lumount anymore[13:26:32] <lewellyn^> it's luactivate that's messing me up here[13:26:49] <jmcp> lewellyn: next time, could you please include the actual command that you're typing in?[13:27:01] <robertbb> jmcp: So the only way to get it and run it in production is to buy a sun hardware solution?[13:27:04] <lewellyn^> i usually do. forgot that time[13:27:06] <jmcp> robertbb: yes[13:27:09] <lewellyn^> # lumount b109[13:27:20] *** sndcrb2 has joined #opensolaris[13:27:20] <jmcp> lewellyn: so ... you need to grep for alt.b109 /etc/mnttab[13:27:20] <robertbb> jmcp: Understood. Makes sense for Sun. Thanks for the tip![13:27:24] <lewellyn^> 162 root@cheshire-cat# luumount b109[13:27:24] <lewellyn^> 163 root@cheshire-cat# luactivate b109 2>&1 | /usr/local/bin/gnopaster[13:27:25] <jmcp> robertbb: you're welcome[13:27:31] <lewellyn^> stupid gnome-terminal not selecting everything[13:27:35] <jmcp> lewellyn: you can get them for eval under the try+buy program[13:27:45] <jmcp> lewellyn: darn gnomish software![13:28:01] <jmcp> robertbb: the try+buy comment was for your, sorry lewellyn[13:28:09] <lewellyn^> jmcp: i figured ;)[13:28:46] <robertbb> jmcp: Thanks again :-)[13:29:44] <jmcp> lewellyn: so at this point, figuring out what is still mounted under /.alt.b109 would be my next step[13:29:47] *** dustball has joined #opensolaris[13:29:55] <jmcp> and then, if it's a process which hasn't died ... kill it[13:29:57] <dustball> hey there[13:30:01] <jmcp> evenin'[13:30:08] <dustball> mornin'[13:30:39] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[13:31:02] <jmcp> robertbb: have you seen the blogs from the fishworks team? blogs.sun.com/fishworks is their aggregator[13:31:15] <lewellyn^> i've got /.alt.b109 cleaned up, i think. and the datasets.[13:31:18] <dustball> i got a problem with my wlan, i have an atheros 5006x and i dont know how to get it connected since the site says it aint supported[13:31:20] <lewellyn^> i'm giving up on luactivate[13:31:24] <lewellyn^> let's see if it ludeletes[13:31:36] <lewellyn^> dustball: what are you running?[13:31:49] <dustball> the same as last night, opensolaris 2008.11[13:32:00] <lewellyn^> my advice is the same as last night :)[13:32:09] *** Vonor has joined #opensolaris[13:32:27] <dustball> i am connected via eth0 now... trying to get the packages directly but i am just too stupid >_<[13:32:57] <lewellyn^> ok. i have 2 questions on behalf of dustball...[13:33:17] <lewellyn^> 1) can dustball upgrade to 106 easily (to avoid xorg fallout in 107/108)?[13:33:32] <lewellyn^> 2) can dustball revert to 2008.11 easily, like sxce users can?[13:34:32] <lewellyn^> also, woo. http://nopaste.info/fdd8e42b44.html[13:34:46] <jmcp> yay[13:35:05] <jmcp> do you know what went wrong with the first attempt?[13:35:17] <lewellyn^> oh yes. pebkac ;)[13:35:23] <jmcp> heh[13:35:35] <lewellyn^> now to start lu again[13:35:36] *** ken[`] has quit IRC[13:39:03] <dustball> http://hal9000:5800/ <-vnc, if it helps[13:39:10] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[13:40:04] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[13:40:08] <jmcp> lewellyn: in answer to your 2 questions on behalf of dustball, I believe the answers are yes and yes. I think a good read of the "beadm" manpage / doco would confirm this[13:40:30] <lewellyn^> jmcp: i don't run with ips, so i don't know a thing about it[13:40:34] <jmcp> I haven't been running OS2008.xx myself, so I can't confirm that for sure. What I can say is that I would be *very* surprised if it didn't work[13:40:39] <jmcp> agreed[13:41:07] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[13:41:18] <lewellyn^> that was my second project for the day, after rebooting into 109: install 2008.11 in vbox (and see if usb passes through)[13:41:30] <lewellyn^> i wasn't expecting to waste like 18 hours on this ;)[13:41:38] <jmcp> vbox doesn't do usb passthru yet, as far as I'm aware[13:41:45] <Berny> is there now usb support in solaris hosts?[13:42:02] <jmcp> lewellyn: the bug they were waiting on got fixed in snv_110, and they haven't updated vbox after that[13:42:08] <jmcp> Berny: we've had USB support on Solaris for years[13:42:31] <jmcp> the question is, "why doesn't VirtualBox support USB passthru on Solaris hosts?"[13:42:45] <Berny> vbox on solaris hosts i meant ;-)[13:43:01] <jmcp> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2830[13:43:33] <jmcp> the bug that is referred to in the comments isn't actually the one they've been waiting on, http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=4854243 is[13:43:40] <jmcp> ah, fixed in 109[13:43:44] <lewellyn^> jmcp: the bug tracker indicates that it should "just work" in b109[13:44:04] <jmcp> I haven't been able to confirm whether vbox needs to do other stuff to cope post snv_109[13:44:04] <lewellyn^> that's been the talk of #vbox[13:44:16] <jmcp> that would be very, very nice indeed[13:44:25] <lewellyn^> and i'm not touching vbox till 109, since that's when i get my DRM back ;)[13:44:29] <jmcp> though since 110 is due next friday (for me) I might install that instead[13:44:40] <jmcp> DRM being the Intel graphics drivers?[13:44:56] <lewellyn^> yup[13:45:07] <jmcp> tell ya what, if vbox's usb support now "just works" with snv_109++, I will be *VERY* happy indeed[13:45:09] <lewellyn^> even moving windows is like being back on win 3.1 :P[13:45:16] <jmcp> ouch![13:45:24] <lewellyn^> jmcp: so will most of the opensolaris users ;)[13:45:30] <jmcp> heh[13:45:40] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[13:45:43] <lewellyn^> then, i can try again to get raw disk support working[13:46:06] <lewellyn^> easier than trying to migrate mssql databases :P[13:46:12] <jmcp> ha[13:46:21] <jmcp> I'll stick to kernel stuff[13:47:45] * Berny should start to read up on acpi kernel stuff[13:48:29] <Berny> .oO(pizza first)[13:48:47] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[13:49:27] *** mega_ has quit IRC[13:49:43] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris[13:50:05] * jmcp falls aslepe[13:50:08] <jmcp> gnite all[13:50:31] <lewellyn^> sleep well[13:50:42] <lewellyn^> i'll do the same soon, once i get luupgrade going again[13:50:56] *** liza0 has quit IRC[13:51:04] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[13:51:09] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[13:51:31] <lewellyn^> nice. this lucreate actually came out cleaner than last time, too. no warnings[13:53:02] <lewellyn^> and now i'm luupgrading again. woo :P[13:53:51] <trygvis> hm, which services is required to mount nfs shares?[13:54:03] *** ahmed-tux has joined #opensolaris[13:54:55] <Berny> nfs/server on the server?[13:55:27] <trygvis> yah, except that when you mount stuff you're on the client side :)[13:55:34] <ahmed-tux> hello[13:55:59] <Berny> nfs/client then[13:56:01] <trygvis> and how can I figure out the current nfs4 domain name?[13:56:09] <trygvis> it is disabled, and I can still mount stuff .odd[13:56:14] <Berny> autofs maybe[13:56:30] <Berny> nfs/client is just there to mount stuff at boot time[13:56:35] <trygvis> yeah, these are automounted shares[13:56:39] <trygvis> ah, ok[13:56:52] <Berny> automounted stuff is autofs[13:57:02] <trygvis> mm[13:57:06] <Berny> which runs automountd[13:57:18] *** saohh has quit IRC[13:57:43] <Berny> nfsv4 domain is set in /etc/default/nfs[13:58:03] <trygvis> it is not set, so it is supposed to be discovered[13:58:10] <Berny> ack[13:58:21] <trygvis> I just changed domain in resolv.conf, so I was wondering how nfs feel about that[13:58:26] <trygvis> I guess I can always reboot[13:58:33] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[13:58:58] *** anilg has quit IRC[13:59:09] *** MrDusty has quit IRC[13:59:37] *** MrDusty has joined #opensolaris[14:06:04] *** liza0 has quit IRC[14:06:17] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[14:08:43] *** biafra has joined #opensolaris[14:09:03] *** biafra has quit IRC[14:09:14] *** biafra has joined #opensolaris[14:09:16] *** MrDusty has quit IRC[14:09:36] *** phcoder has joined #opensolaris[14:10:23] <phcoder> asyd, codestr0m: Follow up on pm with codestr0m: I'm planning to come but haven't decided yet and wondered if you know something about fees and accomodation. I found very few info on the website[14:17:25] *** liza0 has quit IRC[14:17:36] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[14:17:37] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[14:20:55] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[14:22:25] *** dguitar has quit IRC[14:26:19] *** liza0 has quit IRC[14:26:32] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[14:26:49] *** narmac has joined #opensolaris[14:27:17] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[14:28:23] *** Gingillo has joined #opensolaris[14:28:26] <Gingillo> hi[14:32:05] *** jsoft has joined #opensolaris[14:32:14] <jsoft> Any suggestions on how to mount a que file?[14:32:41] <phcoder> You mean cue/bin?[14:32:46] <jsoft> yeah.[14:32:49] <phcoder> use bchunk[14:33:03] <jsoft> ok thanks[14:33:19] <phcoder> it will give an iso. You're welcome[14:37:50] *** lewellyn^ has quit IRC[14:38:13] <jsoft> Hmm.[14:38:20] <jsoft> Where might I find bchunk?[14:38:42] <phcoder> http://he.fi/bchunk/[14:39:02] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[14:39:09] *** awkfu has joined #opensolaris[14:39:38] <jsoft> Just build it? Ahh right[14:39:44] *** libkeise1 has quit IRC[14:41:38] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC[14:45:31] *** gorem has joined #opensolaris[14:46:31] *** cri__ has joined #opensolaris[14:46:33] <noptrix> hi[14:46:49] <ahmed-tux> noptrix: hello[14:47:01] <noptrix> hi ahmed-tux[14:48:06] *** lesterc has quit IRC[14:48:30] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[14:49:54] *** gorem has quit IRC[14:49:57] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris[14:54:48] *** dustball has quit IRC[14:55:52] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[14:56:31] <_Lewellyn> bah. nwam is *really* getting on my nerves[15:01:02] *** PicCard_ has joined #opensolaris[15:02:02] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[15:02:37] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[15:03:23] <Berny> .oO(svcadm disable nwam)[15:03:28] *** mega_ has quit IRC[15:04:01] *** asarch has quit IRC[15:04:25] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[15:06:37] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[15:06:51] <_Lewellyn> Berny: then i'm stuck dealing with wifi manually[15:09:00] <trichobezoar> I had to disable nwam, or else it would try to configure my vnics in the global zone, and my zones would FAIL.[15:12:52] *** lesterc has quit IRC[15:13:45] <_Lewellyn> heh. i just wish it'd auto-reconnect if somehow the magic of radio waves causes it to lose connection with the AP[15:14:14] <_Lewellyn> auto-connecting to a preferred network at boot would be awesome, too :([15:16:59] *** PicCard has quit IRC[15:18:05] <trichobezoar> wificonfig has a concept of profiles and preferences[15:19:08] <ken> _Lewellyn: use dladm and create a secure object[15:19:40] *** kleppari has quit IRC[15:20:26] <Berny> _Lewellyn, nwam does all that[15:20:45] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[15:20:48] <Berny> i flip on the notebook at home and it reconnects to my home wlan[15:21:06] <Berny> i do that at the trainstation and it connects to the hotspot of my provider[15:21:07] *** wdp has quit IRC[15:21:43] <Berny> only annoying thing is that it gets confused when I have both wireless and wired networks at the same time[15:24:43] *** lazlabs has joined #opensolaris[15:24:45] <lazlabs> hi to all[15:24:56] <lazlabs> how i can install blastwave on opensolaris? blastwave.org not works[15:25:21] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: wait[15:25:38] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: maybe they had problem in service[15:26:09] <lazlabs> ok[15:26:09] <lazlabs> :)[15:26:22] *** jsoft has quit IRC[15:26:31] <lazlabs> what do you use? bash/ksh/zsh[15:26:32] *** bacil has joined #opensolaris[15:26:53] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: i'm using bash[15:27:09] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: you ?[15:27:31] <lazlabs> i'm allways use bash from linux[15:27:42] <lazlabs> but, i don't know what it's better for solaris/unix systems[15:29:03] <_setuid_H> is crossbow implemented in current stable of osol 2008.11?[15:29:26] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: everything is good[15:30:21] <lazlabs> ok[15:30:22] <lazlabs> :)[15:30:35] <lazlabs> and.. how i can setup up2date my solaris server without X11?[15:30:56] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[15:31:20] <CosmicDJ> _setuid_H: what is "current stable"?[15:33:19] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[15:35:40] <CosmicDJ> lazlabs: pkg(1) doesn't need X11 and can be used to update opensolaris[15:37:09] <lazlabs> but with patches?[15:37:17] <lazlabs> this is a production server[15:37:33] <CosmicDJ> google "solaris pca"[15:38:35] *** bacil has quit IRC[15:39:02] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[15:42:01] <lazlabs> ok thanks[15:43:16] *** _setuid_ has joined #opensolaris[15:45:05] <lazlabs> thanks[15:45:07] <lazlabs> :)[15:45:21] <lazlabs> and do you know how i can setup for about 50 servers?[15:47:32] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[15:48:21] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: there's a lot stuf for doing that[15:49:09] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: you can creat your own shell script for conection in those machine same time[15:50:18] <lazlabs> ok[15:51:53] *** syamajala has quit IRC[15:52:19] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[15:53:58] <lazlabs> ahmed-tux[15:54:06] <lazlabs> how i can install for example SUNWgss[15:54:06] <lazlabs> ?[15:54:48] <ahmed-tux> pkg install SUNWgss[15:54:54] <CosmicDJ> you shouldn't touch your production servers if you don't know how to install packages IMHO[15:57:16] <lazlabs> i don't have pkg command[15:57:30] <lazlabs> yes.. CosmicDJ i only make a question[15:57:37] <lazlabs> i'm sysadm from linux servers[15:59:03] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: do you use opensolaris or SXCE ?[15:59:54] <lazlabs> downloaded from solaris site, SunOS 5.10 - 137138-09[16:00:21] <CosmicDJ> pkgadd[16:03:39] *** liza0 has quit IRC[16:04:21] <lazlabs> thanks[16:04:24] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[16:04:33] *** spiffytech has left #opensolaris[16:07:39] *** goo1 has joined #opensolaris[16:12:15] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris[16:17:34] <lazlabs> how i can mount a cdrom?[16:17:43] <lazlabs> i don't have /dev/sr*[16:25:47] <CosmicDJ> google "solaris mount cdrom"[16:26:04] <CosmicDJ> it should be automounted though...[16:26:05] <tsoome> you need to mount it[16:26:18] <tsoome> insert it and access from /cdriom[16:26:19] *** starkmjolk has quit IRC[16:26:22] <tsoome> /cdrom*[16:26:36] <tsoome> nah, dont need to*[16:26:38] <xRaich[o]2x> lazlabs: use rmformat to find your device[16:27:15] <lazlabs> i don't have this command[16:27:22] *** starkmjolk has joined #opensolaris[16:27:25] <lazlabs> i use a minimal install[16:27:25] <lazlabs> :P[16:27:31] <xRaich[o]2x> your fault ;)[16:27:32] <tsoome> good for you[16:27:54] <xRaich[o]2x> it's a good thing to strip useful tools if you don't know what you are doing :P[16:28:03] <lazlabs> xd[16:28:12] <lazlabs> i want to run minimal install[16:28:29] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah. works better doesn't it?[16:28:39] *** cri__ has quit IRC[16:28:41] <tsoome> minimal installs are for people who know what they are doing.[16:29:08] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[16:29:16] <tsoome> and what for they are using those minimal installs[16:29:33] <lazlabs> yes, but i dont afraid[16:29:33] <lazlabs> :D[16:29:42] <xRaich[o]2x> i want a hover car. but everytime i remove those wheel it won't work anymore... dunno why[16:29:49] <xRaich[o]2x> wheels even[16:30:04] <lazlabs> yes, :P but you can install later the wheels[16:30:05] <lazlabs> :)[16:30:21] <xRaich[o]2x> no i want a hover car[16:30:26] <tsoome> btw, the cdrom device is in same place where all disks devices are - in /dev/dsk/ and /dev/rdsk[16:30:42] <lazlabs> yes, but for example[16:31:22] <lazlabs> iostat -En[16:31:37] <lazlabs> tellme 3 disk[16:31:48] <lazlabs> 2 harddisk and cdrom[16:31:57] <lazlabs> but i cannot mount c1t0d0[16:32:14] <lazlabs> i think it's c1t0d0p0[16:32:14] <lazlabs> ?[16:32:18] <tsoome> fc not, there is no such device as c1t0d0[16:32:41] <tsoome> i gave you a hint, look into /dev/dsk[16:33:47] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[16:33:54] <lazlabs> i've a c1t0d0 Vendor HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM[16:33:59] <tsoome> p in disk device name is for fdisk partition. you will not find fdisk partition on cdrom[16:36:34] *** bnitz has quit IRC[16:36:50] <tsoome> got it mounted? :)[16:36:55] <lazlabs> not[16:37:06] <tsoome> .oO howcome?[16:37:36] <lazlabs> where is mounted?[16:37:36] <lazlabs> not in /cdrom or /mnt[16:37:37] <tsoome> i suppose you have dev like /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s0[16:37:41] <lazlabs> yes[16:37:42] <lazlabs> i've[16:38:07] <tsoome> so mount -F hsfs -o ro /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s0 /mnt[16:38:26] *** markcarl has joined #opensolaris[16:38:30] <CosmicDJ> the automount (volfs) stuff isn't included in the minimal install...[16:38:41] <tsoome> if you have minimal install, i suppose you aremissing vold, so there is nothing to mount it automatically for you[16:39:10] <lazlabs> i don't have vold[16:39:11] <lazlabs> :P[16:39:14] *** liza0 has quit IRC[16:39:19] <tsoome> minimal installs are not for learning about system; its for experienced people[16:39:27] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[16:39:59] <lazlabs> why i need vold? if i want to mount devs with mount?[16:40:13] <tsoome> tbh, i really think there should be like million confirmation questions at install time to prevent noobs to use minimal installs ...[16:40:44] <tsoome> have you mounted it for now?[16:41:15] <lazlabs> not[16:41:16] <lazlabs> rsoome[16:41:18] <lazlabs> tsoome[16:41:32] <lazlabs> how i can mount?, if i try to mount mount /dev/dsk/... /mnt[16:41:35] <tsoome> well - you have spent 20 minutes for simple task of mountingcdrom:D[16:41:36] <lazlabs> but not show files[16:41:37] <lazlabs> ?[16:41:50] <lazlabs> yes, and i learn howto :D[16:41:53] <tsoome> i did write down the command for you:D[16:42:08] <lazlabs> sorry[16:42:09] <lazlabs> i try[16:44:11] <tsoome> no need to be sorry:D thats exactly what we are talking here about:D[16:45:00] <lazlabs> pfexec it's better than sudo?[16:45:20] <tsoome> depends how you look on it[16:45:36] <lazlabs> i want more security[16:45:38] *** phcoder has quit IRC[16:45:38] <tsoome> its better integrated, will give fine grained control over things[16:45:59] <tsoome> and does not have security holes sudo have had over time[16:46:17] <lazlabs> ok :)[16:46:27] <lazlabs> and bash/zsh/ksh?[16:46:48] <tsoome> but also can be harder to set up, because there are more choices[16:47:09] <tsoome> shells like shells in any unix.[16:47:22] *** phcoder has joined #opensolaris[16:47:40] 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ERROR Internal error: Cannot allocate more 2M pages for HVM guest.[16:57:46] *** tarbo has joined #opensolaris[16:57:52] <trygvis> (there is plently of memory free)[16:58:27] <trichobezoar> maybe it's too fragmented[16:58:49] <trygvis> not likely, the box just started and has hardly anything running[16:59:51] <tsoome> truss?[16:59:59] <trygvis> truss what?[17:01:16] *** lewq has joined #opensolaris[17:01:59] *** narmac has quit IRC[17:07:56] *** lazlabs has quit IRC[17:15:15] <trygvis> damn, this is anoying[17:15:25] <trygvis> annoying[17:18:53] *** kleppari has quit IRC[17:21:32] *** nakom has joined #opensolaris[17:22:05] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[17:22:44] *** authentic is now known as imajes[17:22:47] *** imajes is now known as authentic[17:23:06] *** nakom has left #opensolaris[17:23:07] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[17:26:55] *** phcoder has quit IRC[17:28:25] *** _setuid_ has quit IRC[17:30:01] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[17:30:39] *** luc^ has quit IRC[17:39:58] *** ericjray has quit IRC[17:42:47] *** axisys has quit IRC[17:43:14] *** gnut has quit IRC[17:44:48] *** WormDrink has joined #opensolaris[17:46:53] *** sophokles has quit IRC[17:51:58] *** kleppari has quit IRC[17:52:14] <WormDrink> how can i determine what pid a connection in netstat belongs to ?[17:54:59] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[17:57:33] *** kleppari has quit IRC[18:01:28] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[18:03:38] *** dunc has quit IRC[18:06:45] *** cri__ has joined #opensolaris[18:07:07] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[18:09:40] *** mega_ has quit IRC[18:12:41] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[18:14:57] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[18:20:55] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[18:23:50] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[18:29:12] *** PicCard_ has quit IRC[18:42:21] *** action_man has joined #opensolaris[18:48:09] <eviljames> wow, DTrace slows down my system by half.[18:48:37] <eviljames> i suppose it makes sense, but I wasn't expecting such a drastic decreaes[18:55:43] *** anilg has left #opensolaris[18:57:12] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[18:59:23] *** fabius11 has joined #opensolaris[18:59:28] *** fabius11 has left #opensolaris[18:59:37] <trichobezoar> Interesting... What is the system doing?[19:00:18] <eviljames> trichobezoar: I was just running some DTraceToolkit scripts to look at disk i/o[19:00:29] <eviljames> trichobezoar: I'm just dipping my big toe into the DTrace pool at the moment :)[19:00:51] <eviljames> trichobezoar: But copying iso to/from the drive over the network was 10MB/s w/o DTrace, 5MB/s w/ DTrace[19:01:05] <eviljames> drives, I should say, 2x250GB mirror[19:01:25] <trichobezoar> are you using xen?[19:02:12] <eviljames> Nope, this is my backups zpool[19:02:32] * trichobezoar remembers xkcd... correlation != causation[19:03:33] <eviljames> pfft.[19:03:40] <eviljames> Doesn't equal but does imply.[19:03:52] <eviljames> It's probably most accurate to say correlation ~= causation[19:04:38] *** kleppari has quit IRC[19:05:12] *** ahmed-tux has quit IRC[19:05:16] <trichobezoar> maybe[19:05:34] <eviljames> and it's not like this is a high powered system, either, I'd bet there are some resource constraints that are being rubbed up against.[19:05:36] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[19:05:54] <eviljames> It was just a bit of a surprise to see 50% decrease like that, and only when DTrace was probing[19:12:45] <tsoome> depends how many probes you will fire[19:13:31] <eviljames> trichobezoar: Didn't mean to jump on you over that correlation/causation thing, but I hear that argument so many times in invalid situations that it is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.[19:13:53] <trichobezoar> eviljames: ah, i had no idea it was so cliche[19:14:03] <eviljames> trichobezoar: If every time people noticed two things coincided they just threw their hands up and said "oh, well, it's a good thing correlation doesn't equal causation" then we wouldn't have theorems like Gravity and Evolution[19:14:21] <eviljames> trichobezoar: Superduper cliche, my friend.[19:14:21] *** axisys has quit IRC[19:14:21] *** RoyK has joined #opensolaris[19:14:44] <trichobezoar> I guess it made it on a comic site. Should have been obvious[19:15:01] <RoyK> hi all. I'm setting up a home server, and I consider using opensolaris. Does opensolaris have anything like linux LVM? I need to mirror some partitions on two drives[19:15:14] <eviljames> trichobezoar: Most often I hear it in arguments pertaining to economics and evolution, and most often spouted by someone who just doesn't understand the topic at hand. (note: that's not to imply that you don't know what you're talking about in this situation)[19:15:18] <RoyK> or can ZFS do that for me?[19:15:21] <trichobezoar> RoyK: ZFS cana do that[19:15:36] <RoyK> can or can't?[19:15:41] <trichobezoar> can[19:15:44] <eviljames> RoyK: ZFS is the way, man. All your notions of hard drives prior to it are obsolete.[19:16:24] <RoyK> ok[19:16:30] <RoyK> I'll try :)[19:16:35] <eviljames> good show![19:16:39] <RoyK> I need to learn more about solaris anyway[19:16:49] <eviljames> Sign up for your local OSUG[19:16:53] <RoyK> just got a new job where they have a few dozen sun boxes[19:16:57] <eviljames> if you're in Vancouver, sign up for my osug! :D[19:17:14] <RoyK> I'm in Oslo, Norway, a little way off[19:17:35] <eviljames> Well, it's only ~0.5 planets from here[19:17:46] <eviljames> Not too big of a number, it's under 1 after all.[19:18:39] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris[19:18:42] <eviljames> trichobezoar: As for the xkcd, it's good that Randall took a shot at that argument and I would bet that his reasoning isn't too far from mine.[19:18:56] <RoyK> so installing opensolaris on this box - I should allocate, what, 10 gigs for the root fs?[19:19:11] <eviljames> RoyK: Do it in a VM first, then bare hardware[19:19:26] <RoyK> I have opensolaris on a vm already[19:19:32] <eviljames> ah, ok good.[19:19:36] <RoyK> this box is fresh[19:19:57] <RoyK> what sort of fs does solaris usually use for its root?[19:20:00] <eviljames> RoyK: My rpool takes up about 5GB, so I'd expect 10 should be fine.[19:20:01] <eviljames> ZFS[19:20:15] <eviljames> RoyK: well, opensolaris uses ZFS, Solaris 10 I think is still UFS[19:20:28] <RoyK> ok, this'll be opensolaris anyhow[19:20:37] <trichobezoar> I know I installed 10U6 with zfs root[19:20:46] <RoyK> so, does that mean I can expand the root fs if it fills up?[19:20:58] <eviljames> RoyK: If that's a concern, I would just use a bare disk[19:21:16] <RoyK> I only have two drives in this box[19:21:23] *** ahmed-tux has joined #opensolaris[19:21:23] <RoyK> a 400G sata drive and a 200G ata drive[19:21:35] *** biafra has quit IRC[19:21:42] <RoyK> I want to install the root fs on the SATA drive and then use the ATA drive for mirroring the data fs[19:22:07] <eviljames> Interesting idea.[19:23:01] <tsoome> perfectly doable[19:23:22] <_Lewellyn> wait, maybe not.[19:23:32] <_Lewellyn> you want to use a single drive to mirror?[19:23:50] <RoyK> I want to install solaris on the 400G drive[19:24:02] <RoyK> then make an FS for the data about 200G large[19:24:15] <RoyK> then mirror that to the 200G ATA drive[19:24:27] <RoyK> mirroring on a single drive doesn't seem very useful[19:24:44] <_Lewellyn> i've not tried mirroring a partition to a full disk[19:24:59] <RoyK> well, I'll make a partition there too[19:25:07] <tsoome> esp with zfs where you can just set copies= parameter:P[19:25:17] <RoyK> ok[19:25:31] <RoyK> I need to get more familiar with solaris :)[19:26:25] <tsoome> for rpool, you cant use whole disk anyhow if you have ever even cared to read a bit ....[19:26:52] <trichobezoar> orly?[19:27:16] *** MrDusty has joined #opensolaris[19:27:25] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: yarly :([19:30:32] <_Lewellyn> ok. 109 is luactivated. back soon.[19:31:16] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[19:33:54] <RoyK> installation hangs at "probing for device nodes" or something[19:34:43] *** twisti__ has joined #opensolaris[19:35:05] *** cri__ has quit IRC[19:35:22] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[19:35:38] <tsoome> so you are another unlucly owner of crap hw...[19:35:43] <tsoome> unlucky*[19:36:07] * RoyK reverts to ubuntu[19:36:18] <RoyK> good OSes should also run no crappy hardware[19:36:26] <tsoome> no they dont[19:36:38] <eviljames> No[19:36:40] <tsoome> crappy hw is for crapyards[19:36:43] <eviljames> Bad OSes allow crappy hardware[19:36:47] <rauz___> yeah i've done solaris 10 srss4.1 + novell eDir for auth[19:36:56] <RoyK> P4 1,8GHz, sufficient memory etc[19:37:03] <eviljames> Good Oses tell you: "Dude, this sucks... we can't use this."[19:37:17] <eviljames> RoyK: I am using a Celeron w/ 1GB of ram for my home server :)[19:37:26] <tsoome> those numbers dont make it crappy or not crappy[19:37:40] <RoyK> well, Opensolaris just failed me now, so I don't care[19:37:43] <eviljames> haha[19:37:49] <norman> eviljames: with solaris and zfs on it?[19:38:31] <eviljames> norman: Indeed.[19:38:54] <eviljames> norman: It does virtually nothing all day long, it's partially a testbed, partially a file server.[19:39:10] <eviljames> but it runs fine.[19:39:34] <norman> okay, so you can live with the slower performance because of 1ghz and 1gb ram.[19:39:37] <norman> good to know[19:41:20] <eviljames> Yeah, it's not a build machine or running a HA database or anything like that.[19:41:34] <eviljames> A little slower performance on that system is acceptable ;)[19:44:29] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[19:45:06] <e^ipi> dude, buy more ram... it's cheap[19:46:24] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[19:46:46] <eviljames> e^ipi: We have a few machines of this class headign to obsolesence at work...[19:47:39] <e^ipi> celerons?[19:48:43] <eviljames> Not just celerons[19:48:55] <eviljames> the director of marketing will not give up her P-II 350MHz computer.[19:50:03] <eviljames> I don't have any idea why, and the production/shipping guys are all on P4s or less.[19:50:16] *** ibseo has joined #opensolaris[19:50:28] <eviljames> I've pushed forward more change in the last year than they've probably seen in the last 5[19:51:15] *** obk has joined #opensolaris[19:53:09] <obk> question: I just re-installed OpenSolaris (2008.11) instead of my old Nevada on my system disk. How do I tell it to mount my old ZFS pool (on 4 separate disks)? Do I "create" the pool again, or is there a way to "mount" it?[19:53:16] *** markcarl has quit IRC[19:53:51] <rauz___> zpool import[19:54:24] <obk> Thanks - looking it up[19:58:05] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[19:58:20] <obk> rauz: It even was smart enough to mount it. Thanks![19:58:59] <_Lewellyn> ok. i have first impressions of 109: i think i'm moving back to 108 :([20:05:09] *** kleppari has quit IRC[20:07:09] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[20:08:17] <rauz___> obk: np[20:13:52] *** ahmed-tux has quit IRC[20:15:44] *** tamr has quit IRC[20:15:55] *** Odin- has quit IRC[20:23:49] *** ahmed-tux has joined #opensolaris[20:24:49] <_Lewellyn> anyone here tried usb support for vbox on 109?[20:24:51] *** Alasdair has quit IRC[20:24:56] *** Alasdair has joined #opensolaris[20:26:02] *** Alasdair has quit IRC[20:26:07] *** Alasdair has joined #opensolaris[20:27:56] *** ken``_ has joined #opensolaris[20:28:39] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[20:29:06] *** ken`` has quit IRC[20:34:04] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[20:34:27] *** parceval has joined #opensolaris[20:35:13] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[20:41:02] *** ibseo has quit IRC[20:45:29] <trichobezoar> What was wrong with 109?[20:47:01] *** ahmed-tux1 has joined #opensolaris[20:49:32] *** mega_ has quit IRC[20:50:30] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[20:50:58] <e^ipi> trichobezoar: new X version[20:52:27] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[20:54:19] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i apparently still have no DRM for my graphics, plus the (admittedly minor) font changes, plus it takes longer to boot due to some apparent networking change[20:55:02] <_Lewellyn> i bet that if nwam connected to my AP during boot, that last point would be a non-issue[20:55:38] <_Lewellyn> and everything "feels" slower than 108 did, which was much slower than 106 (which had a working xorg/drm for i915)[20:55:45] <_Lewellyn> oh, and i can't suspend under 109[20:56:02] <_Lewellyn> as opposed to 108, where suspend simply killed X :P[20:56:13] *** action_man has quit IRC[20:56:15] <_Lewellyn> but at least i could go low-power without shutting down completely[20:56:31] <_Lewellyn> that's just what i've noticed in the past short while[20:56:55] *** ahmed-tux has quit IRC[20:57:36] *** ranks_ has joined #opensolaris[21:01:08] *** wokolad has quit IRC[21:04:56] *** ranks_ has quit IRC[21:05:46] <parceval> hi i am looking for a way to intercept stdout of a running process.[21:07:48] <e^ipi> |[21:07:54] <hrist> _[21:08:02] <sickness> strace ?[21:08:05] <sickness> truss?[21:08:07] <sickness> dtrace?[21:08:37] <parceval> ok dtrace i have[21:08:45] <parceval> but how to do that[21:08:57] <sickness> heh, I don't know either :|[21:09:13] <sickness> maybe there's an example for that on the dtrace examples page on the dtrace community on opensolaris.org...[21:09:20] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[21:09:39] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[21:18:42] <eviljames> sickness: there's definitely an example in the DTraceToolkit[21:18:45] <eviljames> errm[21:19:07] <eviljames> parceval: DTraceToolkit from opensolaris.org will have an example that probes stdin/out[21:19:38] <parceval> eviljames: Do you have a link?[21:20:04] <eviljames> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/dtrace/dtracetoolkit/[21:20:06] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:21:57] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris[21:23:32] <kimc> just attempted to install b109 with the graphic interface[21:24:02] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[21:24:25] <kimc> hitting enter after the prompt to 'hit ENTER to continue' it returns:[21:25:08] <kimc> .. /usr/X11/bin/X: /tmp/root/usr/X11/bin/Xorg is not a valid X server[21:25:51] <_Lewellyn> kimc: that's known.[21:25:56] <_Lewellyn> use the text installer[21:26:00] <kimc> ok thanks[21:26:11] <_Lewellyn> the text installer's the only way to get a zfs root with sxce, anyhow[21:26:45] <kimc> last i knew running with a zfs root had reliability problems.. not now?[21:27:02] <_Lewellyn> i think 99% of opensolaris users have a zfs root[21:27:14] <_Lewellyn> and 2008.11 apparently only has that as an option ;)[21:27:19] <kimc> but how 'bout the reliability problems ? :)[21:28:00] <kimc> i guess if thats the only way with 2008.11 it must be good to go[21:28:21] <kimc> rebooting the install disk now..[21:28:35] <_Lewellyn> i use zfs root on s10u6 installs[21:28:43] <_Lewellyn> no problems yet[21:28:54] <kimc> great i'll do it[21:28:57] <_Lewellyn> in fact, i only have one machine with a ufs root, still[21:29:52] <kimc> last couple of builds my dt login was hosed when the machine was rebooted from a login shell.. wonder if thats still going to happen[21:30:01] *** liza0 has quit IRC[21:30:04] <sickness> eviljames: nice :)[21:30:34] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[21:31:28] <_Lewellyn> kimc: um. they're phasing out dt :([21:32:02] <eviljames> sickness: hadn't tried that out yet? It seems to be a great way to get your feet wet with dtrace[21:32:09] *** ahmed-tux has joined #opensolaris[21:32:20] <eviljames> and by dtrace I mean DTrace[21:32:39] <ahmed-tux> want update from 101b to 108 is it true command " pfexec pkg set-authority -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev opensolaris.org-dev ; pkg refresh ; pkg image-update[21:33:06] <xRaich[o]2x> ahmed-tux: make opensolaris.org-dev the preferred repo[21:33:12] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[21:33:26] *** lazlabs has joined #opensolaris[21:34:03] <kimc> whats the difference between a Desktop and a Console session?[21:34:12] <ahmed-tux> xRaich[o]2x: ok thank you[21:34:28] <eviljames> kimc: graphics?[21:34:34] <lazlabs> hi to all[21:34:37] <lazlabs> blastwave not works?[21:34:58] <xRaich[o]2x> dunno didn't use it for a long time[21:35:06] <kimc> i chose Desktop[21:35:10] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: maybe still had problem or maybe they did update[21:35:24] <kimc> bad choice[21:35:34] <kimc> tries to start X[21:36:17] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:37:39] <lazlabs> :P[21:37:45] <lazlabs> i cannot install nothing..[21:37:53] *** ry-tpro_ has quit IRC[21:38:38] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: blastwave and lifewithsolaris are down[21:39:30] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah lifewithsolaris was a great loss[21:39:34] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:40:11] <ahmed-tux> xRaich[o]2x: really don't know why , but it has good stuff for Music player[21:40:20] *** ahmed-tux1 has quit IRC[21:40:32] *** jspat has joined #opensolaris[21:40:40] <lazlabs> ahmed-tux do you know where i download something[21:40:55] <trochej> ahmed-tux: Patent issues[21:41:00] <xRaich[o]2x> ahmed-tux: legal problems with some software. i think because of mp3 libdvdcss[21:41:09] <xRaich[o]2x> +and[21:41:22] <jspat> is there any way to copy a .usb image from genunix to a usb stick from within windows?[21:41:27] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/package/ read befor doing that[21:41:38] <jspat> without emulating solaris[21:41:48] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[21:41:51] <ahmed-tux> xRaich[o]2x: mp3 libdvdcss ahh i see[21:42:04] <sickness> eviljames: yeah, I've tried some scripts! :)[21:42:09] <sickness> eviljames: but I'm not a programmer :/[21:42:15] *** zatix has joined #opensolaris[21:42:25] <timeless> jspat: there's a linux oriented liveusbcreator which i've used for thing[21:42:32] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[21:42:36] <timeless> assuming it isn't very picky, it might work[21:42:43] <ahmed-tux> it was good if Solaris add gstreamer engine in their pkgs[21:42:56] <jspat> yeah there is a fedora thing[21:43:04] <jspat> but i'm not sure if it works with the .usb images[21:43:20] <jspat> or even the .iso's having said that[21:43:50] <kimc> have a zfs install started..[21:46:07] <kimc> and FreeBSD kernel compile started..[21:46:09] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: i have gstreamer on sxce[21:46:10] <jspat> "i won't need my usb cd burner this weekend" i said to myself on friday...[21:46:27] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: you compilet it by yourself[21:47:57] *** liza0 has quit IRC[21:48:44] <pjfloyd> SXCE includes gstreamer[21:49:20] *** liza0 has joined #opensolaris[21:49:22] <pjfloyd> don't forget that SXCE is a 3.3Gbyte DVD download, not a ~700Mbyte CD, so SXCE contains a lot more than OpenSolaris[21:50:35] <_Lewellyn> including "encumbered" stuff[21:51:23] <lazlabs> ahmed-tux that it's better for security updates ?, pca, liveupgrade, pkg????[21:51:30] <lazlabs> for productions servers[21:52:04] <fkr> lazlabs: solaris 10?[21:52:55] <_Lewellyn> for production, you probably should be running solaris 10...[21:54:35] <dsch04> Anyone know if there are any codecs available for OpenSolaris?[21:54:45] <dsch04> MP3, DivX, etc?[21:54:48] <fkr> yup[21:55:00] <fkr> there is a commercial (free to use) mp3 codec[21:55:08] <dsch04> Got a link?[21:55:15] <fkr> fluedo.com or something like that[21:55:22] * fkr tries to think[21:55:25] <trochej> fluendo[21:55:36] <fkr> fluendo.com[21:55:43] <fkr> yeah, brain is tired[21:57:07] <dsch04> Ah, got it[21:57:29] <dsch04> Am particularly interested in video codecs[21:57:54] <fkr> mmmh, I installed mplayer from blastwave and that can play divx, iirc[21:58:10] <_Lewellyn> dsch04: realplayer supports a few of those[21:58:11] <fkr> not sure, wether that is the 'correct' way[21:58:17] <fkr> realplayer blows[21:58:19] <_Lewellyn> (again, installed with sxce...)[21:58:33] <_Lewellyn> fkr: it plays streaming mp3. that's all i care about :D[21:58:45] <_Lewellyn> dsch04: you can also compile vlc from SFE[21:58:52] <dsch04> I asIo seem to have totem installed[21:59:03] <fkr> that does not have any interesting codecs, iirc[21:59:07] <fkr> err[21:59:09] <fkr> nm that[21:59:13] <_Lewellyn> fkr: vlc?[21:59:26] <fkr> _Lewellyn: no, meant totem[21:59:27] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[22:01:59] <dsch04> Aargh, mplayer from Blastwave installs tons of stuff[22:02:25] <fkr> yup[22:03:03] *** Odin- has quit IRC[22:03:19] * codestr0m wonders why he doesn't just make a binary[22:03:59] <fkr> binary of what?[22:04:02] *** [JT] has joined #opensolaris[22:04:06] <fkr> mplayer[22:04:11] <codestr0m> fkr: yes.[22:04:43] <kimc> b109: installing a Text-based web browser[22:05:05] <fkr> w3m?[22:05:22] *** kleppari has quit IRC[22:05:28] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[22:06:04] <kimc> dunno[22:06:32] <kimc> ~1550MB left to go[22:07:35] <_Lewellyn> sxce has both w3m and lynx, at the least[22:07:41] <_Lewellyn> oh. and links[22:08:10] <kimc> did not know it had lynx[22:08:27] <_Lewellyn> if it didn't, lots of cron jobs would start breaking ;)[22:09:12] <kimc> ahh..[22:09:13] <lazlabs> yes fkr[22:09:57] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: sorry i never used pca[22:10:00] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris[22:10:36] *** dsch04 has quit IRC[22:11:13] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: and can you play mp3 without install fluendo ?[22:11:28] *** ravv has joined #opensolaris[22:11:47] <lazlabs> ahmed-tux but how you update systems?[22:12:33] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: i'm using opensolaris pkg refresh; pkg image-update[22:12:51] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: yes. i use realplayer, as i said.[22:13:01] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: opensolaris is IPS[22:13:33] <ahmed-tux> lazlabs: do you use SXCE ?[22:13:35] <_Lewellyn> sxce (another opensolaris distro) does not have ips, keep in mind[22:14:43] <_Lewellyn> lazlabs: you stated that you're on solaris 10, in another channel. it may help if you state what you are running in terms of the same queries for opensolaris.[22:14:45] <lazlabs> ahmed-tux i'm using solaris 10[22:15:08] <_Lewellyn> lazlabs: this is the channel for opensolaris (solaris 11 and beyond); you'll get more useful information in #solaris :)[22:17:08] <[JT]> Anyone know when IPS will move to 109? Apologies if I should already know that... :)[22:17:35] <lazlabs> thanks[22:18:06] <[JT]> There's a bug that was squashed in 109 that I think will fix my ZFS/AD domain integration issues.[22:18:26] <_Lewellyn> [JT]: when they convert the packages :)[22:18:30] <xRaich[o]2x> [JT]: usually takes a week or 2[22:18:36] <[JT]> Ah - okay. Thanks.[22:20:42] <kimc> lot of complaints at the point where the newly installed b109 is going to reboot[22:21:17] <kimc> the installation hangs after the grub screen[22:21:30] *** syamajala has quit IRC[22:21:37] <kimc> no spoke too soon[22:21:39] <dclarke> anyone here done a fair amount of work with ZFS and zpools based on fibre configs ?[22:21:52] <_Lewellyn> kimc: 109 seems to take "forever" to boot :P[22:21:57] <_Lewellyn> at least for me.[22:22:15] <dclarke> because I had a power failure and on reboot, my zpool tossed not one but two disks on two controllers. That seems very very unlikely[22:23:26] <kimc> yes it is a while.. now at the console login and.. theres the dtlogin prompt :)[22:23:30] <dclarke> zpool status claims this :[22:23:31] <dclarke> status: One or more devices are faulted in response to persistent errors. Sufficient replicas exist for the pool to continue functioning in a degraded state.[22:23:33] <codestr0m> dclarke: you had disk failure or corruption?[22:23:47] <dclarke> well, to be honest, the data seems to point to neither[22:23:55] <dclarke> see http://rafb.net/p/dVvnsG97.html[22:24:00] <_Lewellyn> kimc: i'm underwhelmed by 109. i'm very tempted to go back to 106 :([22:24:21] <dclarke> codestr0m: the disk with WWN 20000018625f11cb[22:24:31] <dclarke> it looks to be fine and reports ZERO errors[22:24:41] <codestr0m> dclarke: how well do you know the sparc arch.. from an asm perspective.. one time you joked about helping port a compiler and if you're still up for that or know someone who is. it could prove worthwhile[22:24:57] <dclarke> I know that Jason King is gifted[22:25:08] <dclarke> it did the open source work in the Sparc disassembler[22:25:24] <dclarke> I only write assembly when I really need to but I often check asm for my GCC port work[22:25:37] <codestr0m> that's jbk around here, but I haven't had a chance to talk much with him[22:25:51] <dclarke> yeah, I hosted the server he did the port work on[22:25:59] <dclarke> I know that he , knows his stuff[22:26:01] <codestr0m> dclarke: you mean like objdump and then compare generated code?[22:26:34] <dclarke> regarding this ZFS issue, you may note that www.blastwave.org is down at the moment, I'm doing upgrades and things, well, this zpool issue really slows me down[22:26:47] <dclarke> codestr0m: he *knows* his stuff yes[22:26:57] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: tell me what's the goal of SXCE ?[22:27:09] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: sxce will be solaris 11[22:27:15] <codestr0m> dclarke: heh.. at leas the resilver didn't take /that/ long[22:27:33] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: it's more "complete", if you will, right now[22:27:53] <dclarke> codestr0m: I'm about to offline that disk, pull it, and then reinsert it[22:28:12] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: i used 103B but i backed to opensolaris[22:28:46] <kimc> Ok b109 is up and running[22:28:51] <kimc> heh[22:29:12] <dclarke> kimc: dumb question, but , anything in build 109 that is startling ?[22:29:17] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: sxce tends to "just work", as it includes *everything*. but you lose out on things like ips packages[22:29:21] <kimc> i dont think so[22:29:22] <dclarke> I mean, I'd drop what I was doing and just go get it[22:29:41] <dclarke> kimc: thanks for the honest answer. I don't have time to experiment like I once did[22:29:42] <_Lewellyn> dclarke: i can find no benefits for my use, yet[22:29:53] <kimc> wish a couple of problems in b107 and 108 were fixed but dunno if they are[22:29:56] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: yeah 'm native with IPS for that i ddn't stay on SXCE a lot[22:30:12] <_Lewellyn> kimc: none of mine seem to be. in fact they seem worse :([22:30:19] <kimc> know what you mean about the time factor[22:30:28] <kimc> ok on worse[22:30:41] <ahmed-tux> i'll back one day[22:31:03] <kimc> i've been leaving the confguration 'stock' including having X start a bootup[22:31:08] <_Lewellyn> likewise[22:31:12] <dclarke> pardon me folk ... I must go do battle with fibre stuff[22:31:21] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris[22:31:57] <kimc> then when i've rebooted from a shell via ssh, X then fails to start due to some malfunction caused by rebooting with the dt login up[22:32:24] <_Lewellyn> kimc: i run off an off-the-shelf lowish-end laptop. so i think i see things that most people won't :([22:32:32] <kimc> ahh yes[22:32:34] <_Lewellyn> kimc: hm. which video chipset?[22:33:17] *** bedlam has quit IRC[22:33:20] <kimc> its an Nvidia 8600 series[22:33:59] <kimc> AFAIK should be among the best to run with Opensolaris[22:33:59] *** revlo has joined #opensolaris[22:34:07] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[22:34:29] <_Lewellyn> i remember seeing a note about nvidia recently...[22:34:32] * _Lewellyn tries to find it[22:34:54] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[22:36:06] <kimc> it gets in a state where X tries to start and complains and theres a reference to /var/dt/Xerrors[22:36:38] <_Lewellyn> oh meh. and this was a fresh install rather than an liveupgrade, right?[22:36:54] <kimc> yep a fresh install[22:37:26] <_Lewellyn> svcs -a|grep graphical-login[22:37:34] <kimc> so you'd think something like this would be fixed before too long but no..[22:37:49] <_Lewellyn> well, they're removing dt, so there's bound to be fallout :([22:37:58] <_Lewellyn> they claim no one uses it :P[22:38:15] <kimc> online 16:25:38 svc:/application/graphical-login/cde-login:default[22:38:20] <_Lewellyn> Xprint, i can see. as cool as it once was, it was ill-supported[22:38:29] <_Lewellyn> you have no gdm?[22:39:06] <kimc> gdm is disabled[22:39:44] <kimc> this is the stock state its in right after a reboot, right after installation off the b109 single dvd[22:40:01] *** alain10 has quit IRC[22:40:20] <kimc> start it and wait for the dt login and login as root[22:40:45] <kimc> add a user..[22:41:09] <_Lewellyn> wow. i don't think i've ever logged in at root at the graphical greeter[22:41:29] <_Lewellyn> i always drop to a command line login so as to not pollute /[22:41:34] *** lazlabs has quit IRC[22:41:41] <kimc> yes its probably frowned on..[22:41:59] <_Lewellyn> i do things that are frowned on ;)[22:42:10] <_Lewellyn> you missed my liveupgrade last night, i take it ;)[22:42:21] <kimc> eh yes[22:44:00] <_Lewellyn> it was some effort to ludelete :D[22:45:15] <kimc> i've never attempted an upgrade[22:46:06] <kimc> wonder if the e1000g driver has been 'fixed'[22:46:40] <kimc> actually i've never had serious problems with it as some have described recently[22:47:22] <_Lewellyn> my only networking issues remain that nwam doesn't autoconnect at boot, and i can't use a non-ascii essid. :P[22:48:03] <kimc> i have been trying some tunings to get it to ftp files as fast as a Windows Server 2003 R2 64-bit machine i've got as a comparison[22:48:27] <kimc> the 2003 machine has the same processor and mother board[22:48:44] <kimc> turns out its rather hard to beat[22:49:45] <_Lewellyn> yeah, intel's windows drivers are pretty well-done[22:49:46] <kimc> i've got it now so it pegs-out a gig-E connection pretty solid[22:50:00] <kimc> yep[22:50:02] <_Lewellyn> the only thing i've found that can rival windows so far is freebsd[22:50:18] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[22:50:54] <_Lewellyn> however, it's far easier to tune the windows driver :P[22:50:55] <kimc> i've got that running recently with e1000g hardware, have not had a chance to see how it stacks[22:51:42] *** syamajala has quit IRC[22:51:49] <kimc> i don't know what the windows driver is doing automagically to achieve the rates it does[22:52:12] <trochej> Coffee?[22:52:14] <kimc> the FreeBSD machine is running 8-CURRENT at,[22:52:16] <kimc> atm[22:52:36] <_Lewellyn> i haven't played with 8-CURRENT much yet[22:52:47] <_Lewellyn> i keep meaning to, but yeah. there's this "time" thing :P[22:52:50] <kimc> just cvsup'd it to current a couple hours ago[22:53:17] <_Lewellyn> i have the 200812 iso sitting around, waiting[22:53:55] <kimc> i think thats still the most recent snapshot you can get[22:54:18] <_Lewellyn> well, i wouldn't know. i've had it for a couple months now :P[22:54:26] <kimc> heh[22:54:36] <_Lewellyn> it should be about time for a new snapshot, if history's a guide.[22:55:15] <kimc> i'm just playing around with Freeswitch on the FreeBSD machine.. having run Asterisk for some years as my main phone system[22:55:32] *** sniffy has quit IRC[22:57:09] <ahmed-tux> solaris dosn have Asterisk , really yo bad[22:57:13] <ahmed-tux> to*[22:58:46] <ahmed-tux> ahh i find it sorry "SVasterisk"[22:58:52] <CIA-40> <gerald.jelinek at sun dot com>: 6810950 p2v needs to handle cross-arch svc cleanup[22:58:57] *** sniffy has joined #opensolaris[22:58:58] <codestr0m> ahmed-tux: freeswitch works on solaris[22:59:12] <codestr0m> and one of the lead devs ensures it stays that way[22:59:17] <codestr0m> and the stability is really good[22:59:39] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[23:00:48] <ahmed-tux> codestr0m: is it the good solution for "Call center"[23:00:49] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris[23:01:14] *** [JT] has quit IRC[23:01:20] <codestr0m> ahmed-tux: hehe.. join #freeswitch I think there you can get better info than me..[23:01:26] <codestr0m> trochej: ^[23:01:37] <codestr0m> or cypromis are possibly better able to answer that[23:01:48] <ahmed-tux> codestr0m: ahh ok thank you[23:01:51] *** sndcrb2 has quit IRC[23:02:14] *** estibi_ has quit IRC[23:02:31] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[23:05:02] <trochej> ahmed-tux: cypromis uses freeswitch quite intensively in his business[23:06:28] <kimc> i;ve just got a sip phone registered on freeswitch[23:06:47] <ahmed-tux> trochej: do you mean this http://www.voiceworks.pl/cypromis/2008/07/06/building-freeswitch-on-opensolaris-nevada/[23:06:52] <trochej> ahmed-tux: yup[23:06:57] <trochej> Also[23:07:09] <ahmed-tux> trochej: really good[23:11:08] *** jspat has quit IRC[23:18:42] *** zatix has quit IRC[23:20:16] *** lazlabs has joined #opensolaris[23:23:26] *** cypromis 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again?[23:52:29] <gray--> resolv.conf isn't being obeyed?[23:52:32] <eklof> cp resolv.dns resolv.conf or something like that[23:52:40] <echobinary> wot?[23:52:47] <codestr0m> echobinary: cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf[23:52:50] <xRaich[o]2x> echobinary: cp /etc/nsswitch.dns[23:52:55] <eklof> I had to do that in my zone at least :)[23:52:56] <echobinary> cool thanks :)[23:53:03] <codestr0m> echobinary: svcadm restart name-service-cache[23:53:46] *** mikefut has quit IRC[23:55:42] *** tomj_ has joined #opensolaris[23:55:54] *** TomJ has quit IRC[23:57:37] <lazlabs> ahmed-tux how i can install a wget.1.10.2.i86pc.Solaris.10.pkg.tar.tgz[23:57:39] <lazlabs> correctly?[23:57:44] <lazlabs> gunzip, untar?