[00:00:00] <timeless> :(
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[00:03:46] <syd`_> 'nite guys
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[00:05:04] <nachox> timeless, ps -ef | grep console ?
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[00:09:38] <timeless> nachox: i managed to get into the console and use pkill from there
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[00:10:51] <ary> I have a HP proliant server with RAID controler. The question is: what do you recommend: use the raid function of ZFS (like raid-z) or use hardware raid5 ?
[00:11:02] <ary> we are making a storage server
[00:11:14] <ary> and we have 8 sas disk
[00:11:50] <ary> software raid Z vs hardware raid5?
[00:12:29] <_Lewellyn> firstly, you didn't state which raid controller. they are so not created equally :P
[00:13:14] <_Lewellyn> i have a proliant that i won't use anything but hardware raid on just because the controller has a battery-backed write buffer. it can lose power for 2 weeks and not fail to write data :D
[00:13:31] <joshcarter> ary: raid-z, definitely
[00:13:32] <Stric> hwraid5 might give more iops, but raidz is safer
[00:13:44] <ary> joshcarter, why?
[00:13:52] <nachox> _Lewellyn, cool
[00:13:58] <joshcarter> number of reasons:
[00:14:13] <Stric> 7, 12, 82 and 5.
[00:14:13] <_Lewellyn> Stric: raidz isn't safer than a very good hardware controller
[00:14:14] <ary> johannes, beacuse my boss ask to me this question
[00:14:21] <Stric> _Lewellyn: checksum thingie
[00:14:35] <_Lewellyn> Stric: good raid controllers checksum, too.
[00:14:42] <CosmicDJ> _Lewellyn: it is, zfs checksums everything, your hw raid controller don't
[00:15:02] <_Lewellyn> and zfs isn't battery-backed ;)
[00:15:28] <CosmicDJ> hm no, but it's COW, that's why your data should be safe even after a blackout
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[00:15:56] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: even with write caching enabled?
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[00:16:43] <ary> johannes, but hardware raid is transparent for the Operative System
[00:16:54] <Stric> for better and worse
[00:17:16] <joshcarter> ary: those are the things that come to mind.
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[00:17:53] <joshcarter> I've had a number of hardware RAID problems, moving to ZFS is the reason I'm using OpenSolaris now.
[00:17:53] <Stric> ary: check whether your raid hba does checksumming so it can detect (AND FIX) silent corruption.. if so, they are about equally safe..
[00:18:08] <Stric> ary: Check benchmarks for your system with your load to see which has better performance
[00:18:21] <timeless> atm, i think i'm happier about rcap than zfs (zfs just works, but rcap saves my bacon)
[00:18:29] <_Lewellyn> ary: and if you have a battery-backed raid with write caching, you can theoretically out-perform raid-z
[00:19:02] <_Lewellyn> i've done no tests to verify this yet, but it's certainly true of certain other software raid solutions
[00:19:27] <Stric> yeah, battery backed dram is hard to beat performance wise
[00:19:32] <nachox> timeless, zfs also saves your bacon, you'll agree once one of the disk in your raid starts failing :)
[00:19:38] <ary> _Lewellyn, what is  battery-backed?
[00:19:46] <Stric> unless the product is badly designed, which many are
[00:19:47] <_Lewellyn> and you won't outperform in "write 100% of the time", but rather in real-world type loads
[00:19:55] <joshcarter> you can get battery backed DRAM on a card that presents a SATA interface -- put ZFS's ZIL on there.
[00:20:19] <Andys^> _Lewellyn: ZFS so far for me has outperformed several types of battery-backed hardware raid that i've tested
[00:20:22] <timeless> nachox: since none of my disks are raid'd yet, i'm not there yet
[00:20:28] <_Lewellyn> ary: the card actually has ram storage with a battery to retain that ram so that you can "save" stuff to be written to disk later, and the os thinks it has been. if power fails, it dumps it to disk at boot
[00:20:38] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: even zfs on one?
[00:21:17] <ary> _Lewellyn, ah!
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[00:21:33] <timeless> but yes, if i had properly configured that part of zfs, i'm sure i'd be happy about it too
[00:22:00] <_Lewellyn> ary: it also depends on what your higher-ups feel "safer" with, and what you've had experience with in the past
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[00:22:17] <CosmicDJ> IIRC some raid cards also *don't* support JBOD, pretty bad for zfs...
[00:22:48] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: only for raid-z :)
[00:22:49] * Stric uses a raid box which does battery backed write&read cache even with jbod..
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[00:23:25] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: if zfs sees "one big disk", then it's fine if the raid controller performs well
[00:23:46] <ary> joshcarter, you said: - "ZFS can change stripe size on the fly, or per-filesystem" but with hardware raid I can do that
[00:23:56] <CosmicDJ> _Lewellyn: hm no it's not, it can't self heal in this case (unless you set copies to 2 or smth like that)
[00:24:18] <ary> joshcarter, because I'll attach the raid device to the pool
[00:24:25] <joshcarter> ary: I haven't seen hardware RAIDs that use variable sized stripes.
[00:24:45] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: in any case, ary hasn't given enough data to be 100% sure what is best for *that* specific case.
[00:24:56] <_Lewellyn> with insufficient data, i'm all for raid-z, too.
[00:24:57] <joshcarter> ary: sure, you can change ZFS's record size, but hardware RAIDs themselves usually have stripe sizes too.
[00:25:02] <_Lewellyn> but i'm playing devil's advocate :)
[00:25:50] <CosmicDJ> and I'm saying, benchmark both (with FileBench for example), check if your backup software supports zfs etc etc
[00:25:54] <joshcarter> ary: in the case of ZFS-on-HW-RAID I would suggest making sure the ZFS record size is some multiple of the hardware RAID's strip size.
[00:26:42] <ary> joshcarter, ok!
[00:26:44] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: but it could be like a cheapo highpoint or something, which would make the benchmarking pointless because i wouldn't trust it with data ;)
[00:27:10] <joshcarter> by default ZFS record size is 128K, which is fine for any hw RAID I've seen.
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[00:29:05] <ary> johannes, good point! you're right!
[00:29:22] <ary> joshcarter,  good point! you're right!
[00:29:42] <ary> I need a multiple value
[00:30:19] <joshcarter> wish me luck, I just kicked off my first opensolaris build
[00:30:25] * joshcarter crosses fingers
[00:31:02] <jmcp> joshcarter: using nightly?
[00:31:12] <joshcarter> yep.
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[00:34:36] <timeless> so... i found the reason my script ended up in the wrong version
[00:34:46] <timeless> the nexenta zones package points to the wrong version :)
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[00:35:18] <joshcarter> hmm, just sittin' there. maybe I should give my build vm more RAM.
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[00:41:32] <dsch04> Anyone know if there's an emerald package for 2008.11 ?
[00:43:01] <_Lewellyn> dsch04: there's one in sfe... dunno what emerald is tho :)
[00:43:20] <dsch04> It's a window decorator
[00:43:26] <dsch04> eye-candy!
[00:43:26] <_Lewellyn> i saw that much ;)
[00:43:36] <_Lewellyn> Summary:                 window decorator for compiz
[00:43:49] <dsch04> I'm install/setting-up Mac4Lin on 2008.11
[00:43:51] <_Lewellyn> that doesn't tell me much :)
[00:44:02] <_Lewellyn> mac4lin? o_O
[00:44:42] <dsch04> http://mac4lin.sourceforge.net/
[00:45:06] <dsch04> Basically just configuring Gnome to look like a Mac
[00:45:07] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i know what it is
[00:45:31] <dsch04> I'm not particularly bothered about it looking like a Mac, but some of hte visuals are pretty nice
[00:45:31] <_Lewellyn> i find it pointless on linux. but yeah. emerald is at least available via sfe :)
[00:45:38] <dsch04> sfe?
[00:45:50] <dsch04> I like avant
[00:46:00] <_Lewellyn> http://blogs.sun.com/mattman/entry/how_to_build_jds_on
[00:46:18] <_Lewellyn> you only need to do the setup once
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[00:46:35] <_Lewellyn> then it's as simple as "svn up" when you want new specfiles
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[00:46:45] <dsch04> Ah, OK
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[00:47:52] <dsch04> Hrm, pfexec not working for me
[00:47:57] <_Lewellyn> so far, sfe looks to be the best thing out there for "good" 3rd-party packages
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[00:48:06] <_Lewellyn> did you usermod -P?
[00:48:40] <dsch04> i.e. what profile?
[00:49:12] <_Lewellyn> depends on what you're trying to do
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[00:49:18] <_Lewellyn> but i need to go to the store. back in a bit.
[00:49:24] <robertbb> Does anyone know of a tool/suit that can be used to simulate multipath io? I want to learn some of this stuff, but don't have the hardware..
[00:49:24] <dsch04> Well, I'm used to sudo
[00:49:25] <_Lewellyn> cocacola time is now.
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[00:59:37] <johannes> ary: sometimes I am right, too ... but well you know :-)
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[01:12:25] <_Lewellyn> johannes: we're all right some of the time. just the odds ;)
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[01:16:43] <ronny> yo
[01:17:09] <_Lewellyn> oy
[01:17:22] <ronny> i dont have a solaris box, can anyone tell me if readlink on /proc/<some-pid-i-own>/cwd works?
[01:17:40] <ronny> (on older solaris at our uni it didnt)
[01:18:10] <jmcp> ronny: "works" as in, gives non-null output?
[01:18:18] <ronny> jmcp: yeah
[01:18:18] <jmcp> in which case, "no" for snv_106
[01:18:22] <ronny> sad
[01:18:27] * jmcp shrugs
[01:18:43] <ronny> linux/bsd do fine there
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[01:18:53] * jmcp wonders why he should care that much
[01:19:04] <ronny> and we dont have solaris devs, so the tool just wont work
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[01:19:55] <CosmicDJ> well, you can't support every OS on this planet ;)
[01:20:04] <ronny> well, we dont
[01:20:13] <ronny> but some arent supported for stupid reasons
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[01:20:24] <ronny> like not behaving like others for simple details
[01:20:26] <jbk> well what exactly are you trying to accomplish
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[01:20:36] <nachox> ronny, in solaris proc is not meant to be consumed by humans
[01:20:53] <ronny> jmcp: figure the cwd of a invoked shell subprocess
[01:21:00] <ronny> ops eh jbk
[01:22:06] <jmcp> ronny: pwdx is your friend
[01:22:29] <ronny> i wont go the invoke another subprocess path in any case
[01:23:00] <jbk> you seem to have a number of artifical restrictions
[01:23:40] <ronny> everyone else works fine with readlink
[01:23:58] <jmcp> only because you're assuming that human-readable /proc is a good thing
[01:25:02] <ronny> but why isnt just having readlink work on /proc/<pid>/cwd a good thing?
[01:25:19] <jbk> because you should use /proc/<pid>/path/cwd
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[01:26:17] <jbk> that's what pwdx is using
[01:26:17] <ronny> others dont have that
[01:26:35] <ronny> so ts a location special case for solaris?
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[01:26:55] <xtrondo> ronny: pwdx use readlink, so check source code
[01:26:55] <ronny> i think i can life with that
[01:27:24] <_Lewellyn> ronny: it's not a "special case". it's the sysv way, iirc.
[01:27:30] <jmcp> xtrondo: that'll be readlink(2) you're thinking of, there's also a readlink(1)
[01:27:38] <jbk> didn't /proc originate on solaris?
[01:27:39] <_Lewellyn> there aren't many true sysv unixes around anymore
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[01:29:53] <ronny> _Lewellyn: the other way work reliable on all other systems i acutally use - solaris is the one i have to special case
[01:30:19] <_Lewellyn> ronny: linux is "weird" with /proc, and bsd is bsd, and osx is bsd.
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[01:30:31] <_Lewellyn> what else do you use? hpux? aix? tru64?
[01:30:32] <trichobezoar> osx is mach or something
[01:30:45] <trichobezoar> some hybrid
[01:30:46] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: they're a bsd core, though.
[01:30:46] <ronny> trichobezoar: osx is mach + bsd + weird c++
[01:31:01] <trichobezoar> what does userland have to do with /proc ...
[01:31:08] <CosmicDJ> weird c++ is caled objective c ;)
[01:31:09] <_Lewellyn> their /proc is halfway between netbsd and freebsd, iirc
[01:31:11] <ronny> _Lewellyn: im mostly on bsd, linux, some osx on occasion
[01:31:11] <trichobezoar> (other than it changes on /proc's capabilities)
[01:31:11] <CosmicDJ> +l
[01:31:27] <ronny> CosmicDJ: their drivers are in a c++ dialect, their gui is in objective c
[01:31:33] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: osx is essentially a mach bsd kernel
[01:31:57] <_Lewellyn> ronny: so you use bsd and linux. sunos 5 is sysv
[01:32:03] <trichobezoar> _Lewellyn: do you have any sources?  or is there a [citation needed]
[01:32:21] <ronny> _Lewellyn: is there any technical reason why solaris returns null on readlink in /proc/<pid>/cwd
[01:32:21] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: *sigh* if i had a browser open, i'd point you at something
[01:32:23] * trichobezoar gosubs without return into a hole
[01:32:33] <CosmicDJ> anyway, proc(4) states: "A readlink(2) of /proc/pid/cwd yields a null string."
[01:32:53] <_Lewellyn> ronny: because there's no good reason that anyone's had to implement it?
[01:33:13] <trichobezoar> "no good reason" is subjective
[01:33:42] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: well, it's sun. if it were really "needed", it would have been added some time in the past 11 releases ;)
[01:34:02] <dsch04> _Lewellyn: Am having trouble with grabbing the spec files
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[01:34:08] <ronny> _Lewellyn: it seems simple and would help tool portability - casue the other crowds cant do /proc/<pid>/path/cwd
[01:34:10] <_Lewellyn> dsch04: using svn?
[01:34:14] <dsch04> Yeah
[01:34:21] <trichobezoar> _Lewellyn: I think that without linux, the commands like find, ls, du would have the same functionality as solaris 8 to this dya
[01:34:25] <_Lewellyn> dsch04: hm. i did an svn up about 10 mins no with no problem
[01:34:35] <dsch04> Am using: svn co svn+ssh://anon at svn dot opensolaris.org/svn/jds/spec-files/trunk spec-files-trunk
[01:34:49] <dsch04> command-line: line 0: unknown configuration option: ControlMaster
[01:35:40] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: honestly, i find that gnu's tools implementing what every "real" unix does, slightly differently in random cases, somewhat annoying
[01:35:53] <_Lewellyn> and the only g* tool that i use on a regular basis is tar
[01:35:55] <tomww> mixing svn versions does not work in many cases
[01:36:08] <_Lewellyn> dsch04: listen to tomww rather than me :)
[01:36:19] <tomww> so config from a newer version is not accepted by an older svn version
[01:36:34] <_Lewellyn> ronny: /proc wasn't designed to be accessed by users. blame linux for that.
[01:36:35] <tomww> check your $PATH, should list the build environment
[01:36:54] <dsch04> tomww: Ah, that will be it
[01:37:04] <dsch04> I have 1.5.5 in /usr/local
[01:37:09] <ronny> _Lewellyn: if its not for users, why is it in the fs in the first place?
[01:37:12] <tomww> source the env.sh ...
[01:37:19] <_Lewellyn> ronny: it's not, really :P
[01:37:30] <_Lewellyn> anyhow, i have real work to do. time to minimize irc
[01:37:36] <ronny> _Lewellyn: i can ls into it
[01:37:42] <tomww> env.sh explicitly cleans up the env for that :-)
[01:37:45] <ronny> if i can see it its there
[01:37:52] <dsch04> Where's env/sh ?
[01:37:55] <dsch04> env.sh?
[01:37:58] <tomww> yes
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[01:38:15] <tomww> source /opt/dtbld/bin/env.sh
[01:38:23] <tomww> or /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh
[01:38:48] <ronny> its kinda sad that solaris exposed something purposely cripled to a place where its accessible by normal tools
[01:38:54] <tomww> one upon a day you'll source thet env.sh even if you don't need it ...
[01:39:30] <_Lewellyn> dsch04: source it in your .profile for the build user :)
[01:39:32] <tomww> ISV love solaris for staying the same for years.
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[01:40:01] <dsch04> Still get same  same error
[01:41:19] <tomww> dsch04: checked right now on build 107 with dtbld from cbe1.6 ... works
[01:41:31] <dsch04> Hrm.
[01:41:42] <dsch04> Wonder where the issue is?
[01:42:01] <tomww> if you don't need the content in spec-files-trunk (you already have one?) then renamte that directory and start over
[01:42:39] <dsch04> Works from a linux box
[01:42:49] <dsch04> Looks like my svn is hosed
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[01:43:53] <tomww> the svn binary is my case the one from /usr/bin/svn out of build 107
[01:44:12] <_Lewellyn> that's the same as i use on 108
[01:44:24] <dsch04> svn, version 1.4.3 (r23084)
[01:44:24] <dsch04>    compiled Feb  3 2009, 03:31:14
[01:44:28] <tomww> if you truss the svn binary and see if it opens a local/personal configuration file e.g. from $HOME/.something?
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[01:44:56] <tomww> svn, version 1.4.3 (r23084) compiled Jan 21 2009, 03:32:36
[01:45:24] <tomww> e.g. truss -f svn-command 2>&1 | grep open
[01:46:02] <seanmcg> tomww, truss -t open ..
[01:46:03] <dsch04> Ah, what is your "ssh" line in ~/.subversion/config ?
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[01:46:45] <tomww> seanmcg: you are the specialist :-) thanks!
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[01:47:37] <tomww> grep ssh ~/.subversion/config    give everyting commented
[01:47:50] <dsch04> Got it
[01:48:04] <dsch04> I commented out the ssh line
[01:48:32] <dsch04> I think it might have been migrated from a Ubuntu box
[01:48:42] <dsch04> svn co working now
[01:48:47] <dsch04> Thanks
[01:49:00] <tomww> you are welcome :-)
[01:49:19] <tomww> and I learnd that -t switch ...
[01:52:59] <dsch04> I wonder if I can build a terminal that works properly...
[01:55:39] <tomww> what kindo of terminal do you want? any special things needed?
[01:56:05] <seanmcg> 9 pins and a NTS box ?
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[01:56:28] <seanmcg> tomww, the -D and -d can be rather useful to.
[01:56:31] <seanmcg> night
[01:56:32] <tomww> seanmcg: does this also carry an "-t" switch?
[01:56:57] * tomww talked about the 9 pins :)
[01:57:15] <seanmcg> 9 pin serial to 'terminal'.. to build.
[01:57:32] <dsch04> _Lewellyn: where did you find the emerald spec file?
[01:57:35] <seanmcg> for those 'younger' folks :)
[01:57:51] <_Lewellyn> dsch04: it's in the SFE dir
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[01:58:51] <tomww> thx, the I read the manpage for that right now. I remember this but forgot about ...
[01:58:57] <_Lewellyn> pkgtool --autodeps --download build SFEemerald.spec
[01:59:14] <dsch04> Is that in one of the spec file dirs listed in the web page you gave me?
[01:59:26] <dsch04> Or do I need to grab a different branch from svn?
[01:59:58] <tomww> well, looking for the new compiz bits? thats in spec-files-other  which is a transition area from spec-files-other into a distribution like SXCE
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[02:01:09] <dsch04> Can you give me the full path? I don't know the SUn svn repo layout very well
[02:01:30] <tomww> umm.
[02:01:46] <tomww> every repo has it's history...
[02:02:05] <tomww> spec-files-other is hosted on opensolaris.org  IIRC
[02:02:17] <dsch04> Ooh, found this: http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
[02:02:38] <tomww> hats not the one where erwann committe the latest compiz bits.
[02:02:43] <dsch04> Hrm, that's not it, is it
[02:02:59] <tomww> if there is some compiz stuff left in spec-files-extram then this hasn't een updated
[02:03:13] <tomww> spec-files-other hosted on opensolaris.org
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[02:04:09] <tomww> svn co svn+ssh://anon at svn dot opensolaris.org/svn/jds/spec-files/trunk spec-files
[02:04:28] <tomww> this should be the right one. just checking out myself for my new workstation...
[02:04:57] <dsch04> Hrm, I got that one
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[02:05:41] <dsch04> NO sign of any SFE stuff in there
[02:07:25] <tomww> ok. SFEstuff.spec is in spec-files-extra
[02:07:58] <tomww> specs migrating from spec-files-extra (aka SFE) migrating in to a distribution is in spec-files-other
[02:08:09] <tomww> and he gnome desktop-stuff is in spec-files
[02:08:25] <tomww> sorry if we caused some confusion here
[02:09:21] <dsch04> And what's the URL for that?
[02:09:23] <jsoftw> Does anyone know how to make firefox 3's ssl warning thing go back to how firefox 2 used to do it? Ie, 1 click and it works?
[02:09:26] <tomww> SFEemerald is considered benonging to the compiz area (in my view) and therefore might got renamed into SUNWemerald.spec residing in the spec-files-other repo
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[02:10:35] <tomww> dsch04: you want the whole SFEstuff collection? then checkout spec-files-extra (hosted on sourceforge)
[02:10:35] * dsch04 is struggling to comprehend how this packaging thig is organised
[02:10:43] <dsch04> Ah, OK
[02:11:05] <tomww> the spec-files and spec-files-other by the jds/desktop team
[02:11:22] <dsch04> Do they need to go in ~/packages/SPECS ?
[02:11:23] <tomww> free is spec-files-extra since pure community
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[02:11:27] <dsch04> Or can they go anywhere?
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[02:11:49] <tomww> you as a user only work in the directory where the repo resides.
[02:12:02] <tomww> tools will copy around the specs as needed
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[02:13:13] <tomww> read the http://pkgbuild.wiki.sourceforge.net/   for some examples how to build stuff
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[02:14:02] <tomww> dsch04: once you've checked out such a repository, you do source /opt/dtbldbin/env.sh
[02:14:41] <tomww> and then cd spec-files-extra, and then pkgtool --download --interactive --autodeps --svr4 build SFEfunnyspec.spec
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[02:14:57] <tomww> in case you are on SXCE and not OS2008.xx with IPS
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[02:15:29] <tomww> have to go to bed now, night all!
[02:15:51] <dsch04> And on 2008.11
[02:15:55] <dsch04> *Am
[02:16:12] <JWheeler> anyone know what the trick is to get the iscsi initiator working under opensolaris 108. All I get in unexpected OS error, and the smf service won't start (no errors in the logs)
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[02:21:00] <popcornPanic> hi i asked yesterday for help installing a NIC driver. i have tried to use the read me included but it wants me to add a hostname to /etc/hosts
[02:21:25] <popcornPanic> i cannot because /etc/hosts is readonly. that doesn't sound right anyways
[02:21:36] <jmcp> popcornPanic: that's correct, it is readonly
[02:21:42] <JWheeler> oddly enough, that is the way that it works under solaris
[02:21:44] <jmcp> there's no problem with adding your hostname to /etc/hosts
[02:21:47] <jsoftw> pfexec vi /etc/hosts ?
[02:22:45] <popcornPanic> jsoftw: that command will work?
[02:23:14] <jsoftw> should do.. assuming you know how to use vi
[02:23:21] <popcornPanic> yes somewhat
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[02:23:37] <popcornPanic> do i just add a hostname to the end of the localhost line?
[02:23:46] <jmcp> are you using dhcp?
[02:23:56] <popcornPanic> jmcp: i think so :\
[02:24:05] <jsoftw> popcornPanic: 1.2.3.4 hostname.here
[02:24:08] <popcornPanic> jmcp: i am on a school network so
[02:24:11] <jmcp> should be ok
[02:24:12] <jsoftw> at the bottom of the file.
[02:24:14] <jsoftw> on its own line.
[02:25:25] <popcornPanic> okay thanks for the help. i will brb.
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[02:26:54] <jbk> heh.. i want to play mario kart, but i need to get my ogb statement done
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[02:27:53] <jbk> trying to make it sound all formal and such..
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[02:29:09] <nachox> jbk, "i want to be an ogb member because everyone else sucks and i am actually trying to do something useful here" :P
[02:29:14] <jbk> haha
[02:29:19] <jsoftw> You're an ogb
[02:29:56] <jsoftw> What is an ogb anyway
[02:30:03] <jbk> naah.. but especially in public communications, it's so easy to be misinterpeted
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[02:30:32] <nachox> jsoftw, the governance guys at opensolaris.org
[02:30:48] <nachox> jsoftw, the ones that get to be ignored by sun :P
[02:30:51] <jsoftw> governance... as in project management?
[02:30:53] <jbk> i can remember countless times where (at old jobs) memos would come out from upper management, and due to poor composition, ended up having lots of unintended side effects
[02:31:03] <jbk> so i want to try to avoid that
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[02:34:09] <JWheeler> is anyone using iscsi under opensolaris (IPS108). It doesn't appear to be even close to working?! the module doesn't load, the man page doesn't exist.... !?
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[02:43:41] <jsoftw> There is no spoon.
[02:44:20] <jbk> only zuul?
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[02:45:59] <popcornPanic> no luck
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[02:48:32] <popcornPanic> when i add a hostname to the end of the /etc/hosts file and i try ifconfig bfe0 HOSTNAME it says cannot assign requested address
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[02:53:32] <[lewellyn]> erm... this is where i should worry, right? http://nopaste.info/f8b4db474f.html
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[02:54:37] <[lewellyn]> luckily it's a mirrored zpool
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[02:56:32] <nachox> [lewellyn], zpool status ?
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[02:58:20] <[lewellyn]> considering that these drives are refurbs and were freshly removed from their packaging just a matter of like 4 days ago, it can't be good
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[03:04:10] <[lewellyn]> i got that while launching the sun studio installer, btw :P killed my ssh session
[03:04:56] <[lewellyn]> these drives certainly are fast though. gotta love 10k drives for installing that 900 megs :)
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[03:28:40] <jbk> hey gdamore
[03:28:46] <gdamore> hey
[03:29:08] <lewellyn^> gdamore: howdy
[03:29:27] <gdamore> back at ya'all :-)
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[03:30:23] <lewellyn^> gdamore: i have an interesting thing to ask you about. sadly i'm online for too few minutes to discuss it right now :(
[03:30:27] <lewellyn^> will you be on later?
[03:30:33] <gdamore> not for a week or so.
[03:30:37] <gdamore> i'm only on a couple of secs right now.
[03:30:43] <lewellyn^> ah ok. it's not urgent
[03:30:58] <gdamore> send me an e-mail then... but i won't respond probably until after March 15.
[03:31:01] <lewellyn^> i understand you did some work with hme/qfe in opensolaris and i have questions regarding that :)
[03:31:09] <lewellyn^> it's VERY low-priority :)
[03:31:12] <gdamore> yes, I converted them to GLDv3.
[03:31:28] <gdamore> and merged them into a single binary. :-)
[03:32:02] <lewellyn^> i have a qfe trunked in an Ultra 5 and running S10U6 right now and i'm curious how your changes will affect me. but i have to quit right now :(
[03:32:02] <gdamore> fyi, I just posted a refresh of the Boomer Beta.  This time with SPARC support.
[03:32:17] <gdamore> You'll have to use the GLDv3 "aggr" driver.
[03:32:20] <gdamore> but it will work.
[03:32:29] <lewellyn^> so it won't be called qfe0 anymore? :P
[03:32:48] <gdamore> you have a lower level qfe0, but the interface you use will be called "aggr" something.
[03:33:10] <lewellyn^> and i get awesome (for an ultra 5) performance right now, and i'm curious how the new driver may affect that
[03:33:23] <gdamore> should be pretty similar.
[03:33:48] <gdamore> a u5 should be able to saturate a couple of qfe ports no problem.  Not sure about all 4 of them... that might be asking a bit much....
[03:33:49] <lewellyn^> hm. i'll poke you with some more specific questions later. i wish we both had more time right now :)
[03:34:02] <lewellyn^> well, it more than saturates the onboard hme ;)
[03:34:03] <nachox> gdamore, what's the target build for boomer? one volume bar is just not enough :P
[03:34:06] <gdamore> okay, but not until week after next, okay
[03:34:23] <gdamore> snv112 or 113.  113 is probably more realistic.
[03:34:35] <lewellyn^> and it seems that the trunked qfe eats less cpu under high network load than a single hme
[03:35:04] <lewellyn^> i don't quite understand that, but it's what i've observed
[03:35:05] <gdamore> oh, that's because the qfe has hardware checksum offload.  in Nevada with my GLDv3 changes, even hme can do checksum offload
[03:35:06] <jamesd_> bets the qfe gets better io rates than the ide drives in it
[03:35:21] <nachox> hehe
[03:35:25] <lewellyn^> really. i knew the hme was capable of offloading
[03:35:25] <gdamore> gdamore agrees with jamesd_
[03:35:38] <lewellyn^> jamesd_: the new data drive almost keeps up :)
[03:35:44] <lewellyn^> the box needs more ram and ssd :)
[03:35:53] <gdamore> the legacy driver doesn't use it.  the reason for the separate drivers was to "encourage" folks to buy qfe cards to get better performance. the chip is identical.
[03:36:15] <lewellyn^> yeah
[03:36:19] <gdamore> the Ultra 5 has a crappy IDE controller that can't do DMA.  So PIO sucks.
[03:36:33] <lewellyn^> i know that i used an hme under netbsd or openbsd and got offloading
[03:36:41] <lewellyn^> it has pci slots ;)
[03:36:45] <gdamore> yes, but under S10 and earlier you don't.
[03:36:59] <gdamore> with nevada, I eliminated the difference.
[03:37:26] <lewellyn^> i actually want to see if a sata card in that box will work ;)
[03:37:42] <gdamore> it probably will.  but you only get 32-bit 33MHz PCI.
[03:37:48] <lewellyn^> that's fine :)
[03:37:56] <jbk> hopefully at some point, the new cassini driver will also outperform the existing driver :)
[03:37:59] <lewellyn^> more than that and thecpu won't catch up
[03:38:09] <jamesd_> and it wonnt be bootable
[03:38:36] * gdamore needs to start packing for his vacation....
[03:38:37] <lewellyn^> jamesd_: data drive
[03:38:46] <jamesd_> yeap
[03:38:52] * jbk vaguely remembers vacations :)
[03:38:54] <lewellyn^> jamesd_: the machine flings bits on the wan and lan :)
[03:39:00] <gdamore> these days I'd just use CF for a boot disk, and host /var on an external drive.
[03:39:00] <lewellyn^> ok. i disconect now to catch my train
[03:39:04] <lewellyn^> back in an hour or two
[03:39:12] <jamesd_> of course you could add in ssd drive via the sata controler
[03:39:59] <gdamore> probably not worth the cost.  the cpu and PCI bus probably can't deal with a fast ssd.
[03:40:09] <gdamore> (well, they can deal with it.  just slowly, is all.)
[03:41:10] <jamesd_> yeah better off getting a blade1000 and add the sata card and enjoy the fcal for root pool
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[03:41:56] <gdamore> if you don't have a strong reason to be running on SPARC, I'd just get a PC and run Solaris on it.  SPARC on the desktop is *dead*.
[03:42:46] <jbk> sadly
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[03:43:14] <gdamore> time to go pack.  ttyl.
[03:43:23] <jbk> which sucks for where i'm working now -- none of the software vendors are (currently at least) porting their desktop software from sparc to solaris x86
[03:43:27] <jbk> just linux
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[03:43:48] <sponix2ipfw> jamesd_:  what is fcal ?
[03:44:56] <jmcp> Fibre Channel Arbitrated Loop
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[03:45:04] <jmcp> it's what we had before FC fabric
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[03:45:40] <jmcp> I prefer to see people just use "FC" rather than "FCAL"
[03:46:20] <jbk> heh out of curiousity, is anyone actually using ip over fc?
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[03:46:43] <jmcp> jbk: no idea
[03:46:52] <sponix2ipfw> jmcp:  thought it was some type of fiber, but didn't know for sure, thanks
[03:47:00] <sponix2ipfw> learn something new ever day
[03:47:24] <jbk> wonder if it'd be worth porting to nemo
[03:47:36] <FrostCS> papercuts from hell...
[03:47:39] <jmcp> jbk: doubt it
[03:47:47] <jmcp> jbk: with 10gigE and IB .. why bother?
[03:47:56] <jbk> dunno
[03:48:08] <jbk> just something to do :)
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[03:49:26] <jmcp> jbk: clearly you need a more demanding day job :-)
[03:49:52] <jbk> well it wouldn't be a day job
[03:50:16] <chowmeined> jbk, what do you mean
[03:50:22] <chowmeined> jbk, adobe ported flash 10 to solaris
[03:50:37] <jbk> i'm a sysadmin by day :)
[03:50:59] <chowmeined> if anything
[03:51:03] <jbk> what does adobe or flash have anything to do with IP over fibre channel or nemo?
[03:51:13] <chowmeined> none of the software vendors are (currently at least) porting their desktop software from sparc to solaris x86
[03:51:24] <jbk> oh, that
[03:51:38] <chowmeined> maybe linux for now
[03:51:38] <jbk> well this is industry specific cad software
[03:51:52] <chowmeined> but going from linux -> solaris isnt really that hard
[03:51:55] <jbk> (oil & gas)
[03:52:02] <chowmeined> compared to porting windows software to *nix
[03:52:07] <jbk> going from sparc solaris -> x86 solaris is even easier
[03:52:21] <jmcp> chowmeined: well, it's not hard if you pay attention to good software engineering practices
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[03:52:57] <chowmeined> jmcp, thats true, all the nonsense about 64bit being difficult is pretty lame
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[03:54:38] <jbk> i still have to chuckle a bit when i see linux people complain about 64-bit browser plugins or such
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[03:55:39] <chowmeined> jbk, why is that
[03:55:52] <jmcp> "oh noes, there's no 64bit java plugin for 64bit firefox"
[03:56:21] <jmcp> "oh noes, how do I install a 64bit version of /bin/true with 64bit OpenSolaris?"
[03:56:47] <chowmeined> ah that argument
[03:56:49] <jbk> because it's a glaring symptom of bad design
[03:57:00] <jbk> unless you really feel your browser needs > 4gb of ram to run
[03:57:03] <chowmeined> theres a purpose for 64bit besides expanded virtual memory
[03:57:14] <chowmeined> unlike SPARC x86 wasnt blessed with tons of registers
[03:57:23] <chowmeined> x64 has twice the registers
[03:57:29] <jmcp> that doesn't make me want to run 64bit /bin/true, or 64bit firefox
[03:57:40] <jmcp> 64bit firefox would just let me hose my system faster!
[03:57:46] <chowmeined> id want a 64bit firefox
[03:58:25] <jbk> but do the extra registers compensate for all the cache misses you get with double the pointer size?
[03:58:28] <chowmeined> dont you think the extra registers would help? especially with so much being run as javascript
[03:58:48] <chowmeined> jbk, eh, cache is at what now
[03:58:53] <chowmeined> 2MB per core, 8MB shared l3?
[03:59:13] <chowmeined> compared to 512kb l2 cache just a few years ago
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[04:00:26] <alanc> jbk: the compilers actually have a benchmarking flag that uses 32-bit pointers in the AMD64 ABI, so you get the extra registers without doubling your pointer size
[04:00:58] <jbk> is anything actually compiled with them?
[04:01:28] <alanc> I think only benchmarks and some rare scientific apps 8-)
[04:02:32] <jbk> but it's one of those, actually show that it makes a difference vs. tribal knowledge
[04:05:15] <jbk> but even beyond that, it's still amusing when i see people tear their hair out because things like mkfs are failing with strange, very non-obvious errors, which turn out to be 'you used the 32-bit mkfs.xfs on a 64-bit system'
[04:05:51] <sponix2ipfw> I can't help but laugh...
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[04:07:00] <sponix2ipfw> I've always used 32bit linux stuff, and crossed over to Solaris, I have yet to give a thought in the world as to what is 32bit or 64bit in my current os2008.11 setup, it is working that is all I care about
[04:08:16] <jbk> jmcp: i do have a fc question if you got a sec
[04:08:21] <jbk> on an unrelated subject
[04:08:34] <jmcp> jbk: ask away ... though I might not be able to answer
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[04:09:26] <jbk> i haven't looked at the protocol too much (yet), but am wondering if there's any sort of means to do (essentially) in-band signaling
[04:09:40] <jmcp> signaling of what?
[04:10:03] <jbk> well just to be able to communicate with the storage array and client system
[04:10:52] <jbk> for example, emc uses gatekeepers and other types of devices that present themselves as a lun to do some management bits, but wondering if presenting a fake lun to act as a communications conduit is necessary with fc
[04:10:52] <chowmeined> id port an app to linux for valgrind, and id port an app to solaris for dtrace
[04:11:15] <jmcp> jbk: SCSI Enclosure Services is what you want to look at
[04:11:48] <jmcp> jbk: my personal opinion is that a gatekeeper (EMC) or UTM (LSI/Engenio) lun is not a good way to do things
[04:12:14] <jmcp> but I don't design storage arrays, so I get to keep my opinions :)
[04:13:02] <jbk> i agree, but there is utility in being able to do arbitrary communication in-band between an initiator and something serving up a target
[04:13:24] <jbk> (i.e. implementing as a gatekeeper, etc. is probably not the way, but the abilities it provies are useful)
[04:13:33] <jmcp> if the something which is serving targets can serve a ses target, you'll have pretty much all you need to do
[04:13:57] <jbk> cool.. i'll have to keep that in mind if i ever get around to doing this... (which i may not)
[04:14:43] <jbk> though i suppose if i put a nice interface on it, i could probably make a decent living at it :)
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[04:16:26] <jbk> considering what vendors are charging for this, it's almost highway robbery
[04:16:35] <jbk> (seems to be a common theme in the storage space :P)
[04:16:52] <jmcp> heh
[04:17:03] <jbk> dunno if you saw the thread in storage-discuss or not
[04:17:04] <chowmeined> what about sun's whole openstorage zfs/iscsi deal
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[04:17:12] <jmcp> chowmeined: what about it?
[04:17:20] <jbk> chowmeined: it's an attempt to change that
[04:17:21] <jmcp> jbk: I've been tightly focused in the last few weeks
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[04:17:40] <nachox> i'm off to sleep, night guys
[04:17:43] <jmcp> jbk: the comstar production ready thread?
[04:17:51] <jbk> no
[04:18:16] <jmcp> "Storage virtualization with Opensolaris??" ?>
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[04:18:23] <jbk> yeah
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[04:19:14] <jbk> came about talking to a friend of mine that works at a place, all IBM san, but told me ballpark figures for what he's paying for what's essentially 'lun mirroring in a fc target'
[04:19:39] <jbk> well there's the initial cost of the box and the per terabyte licensing costs
[04:19:49] <jbk> and i was thinking 'comstar can _almost_ do that'
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[05:06:16] <Chipdancer> I'm after some recommendations on getting a build chain onto S10U6
[05:06:34] <Chipdancer> I'm vaguely considering the idea of putting IPS onto it and using that - does that sound like a crazy idea?
[05:06:37] <sponix2ipfw> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.7/contrib/solaris_tarball/firefox-3.0.7.en-US.solaris-10-fcs-i386.tar.bz2 What does the "fcs" stand for ?
[05:06:48] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: s/crazy/impossible
[05:06:51] <Chipdancer> sponix: first customer ship
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[05:06:58] <e^ipi> but what do you mean "build chain" ?
[05:07:01] <Chipdancer> sponix: original Solaris 10
[05:07:08] <e^ipi> just a C compiler and what have you?
[05:07:16] <e^ipi> install Sun Studio and call it a night
[05:07:16] <sponix2ipfw> there is one tarball with the exact same name that is 2 Megs smaller
[05:07:22] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: whatever our devs require - I'm not 100% on the complexity of the chain yet
[05:07:28] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: studio.
[05:07:40] <e^ipi> http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/
[05:07:45] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: possibly gcc for compataility reasons too
[05:07:49] <e^ipi> it even has an IDE that I never use
[05:07:52] <jmcp> Chipdancer: they're not keen on OpenSolaris, then?
[05:08:02] <Chipdancer> jmcp: specifically requested an S10 box
[05:08:07] * jmcp rolls eyess
[05:08:09] <jmcp> *why* ?
[05:08:14] <Chipdancer> it's an old SunBlade150 for builds
[05:08:20] <Chipdancer> jmcp: I don't bloody know why...
[05:08:23] <jmcp> :)
[05:08:25] <Chipdancer> oh, hang on.. I do :)
[05:08:37] <Chipdancer> it's because they wanted a big endian architecture system to test builds on
[05:08:54] <jmcp> oh, cos OpenSolaris 2009.06 is still a beta
[05:08:56] <jmcp> sigh
[05:09:27] <Chipdancer> jmcp: I think S10 ended up being the go due to issues getting opensolaris onto it.. not sure, my predecessor's issues
[05:11:33] <jmcp> didn't want to LU from S10 to SXCE on that box?
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[05:34:48] <Chipdancer> jmcp: SPARC
[05:35:04] <Chipdancer> SXCE supports SPARC fully?
[05:35:30] <Chipdancer> and yes, (we also just discovered) that OpenSolaris 2009.06/SPARC is in beta
[05:35:35] <_Lewellyn> Chipdancer: it'd be weird not to
[05:36:01] <freetown> the sparc is dead, dead! :D
[05:36:36] <Chipdancer> I'm guessing that hitting up SunFreeware.com is the way to go for most of my toolchain
[05:36:56] <_Lewellyn> ugh
[05:37:14] <_Lewellyn> SFE really needs to be integrated into the os somehow :)
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[05:39:06] <bda> Turn them into packages for IPS and run a depot.
[05:40:00] <_Lewellyn> bda: that's one of the things SFE does; it lets you run your own depot :)
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[05:43:19] <jmcp> Chipdancer: I thought you knew SXCE well enough by now to know that Sparc is definitely supported
[05:44:55] * jmcp glares @ freetown
[05:45:08] * freetown hides in hole
[05:47:27] <_Lewellyn> SPARC++
[05:49:29] <freetown> say...are there any moves with opensparc?
[05:49:38] <jmcp> freetown: what do you mean?
[05:49:59] <jbk> up, down, left, right?
[05:50:00] <freetown> like...some manufacturer planning to spit out lots of opensparcs?
[05:50:14] <jmcp> dunno
[05:50:23] <jmcp> that would probably be commercial-in-confidence
[05:50:48] <jmcp> http://www.opensparc.net/news/2008-11/european-universities-join-opensparc.html
[05:50:55] <jmcp> 650 universities!!
[05:52:19] <freetown> that's very nice...and i think i heard that some chinese supercomputer chip was based on sparc too...but...we ain't going to see any competitor against x86 are we?
[05:52:24] <Chipdancer> jmcp: yeah, it was the OpenSolaris bit I assumed worked :)
[05:52:39] <jmcp> freetown: dunno, possibly not
[05:53:02] <Chipdancer> jmcp: so what's your recommendation on getting developer tool chains onto S10U6?  SunFreeware?
[05:53:05] <jmcp> freetown: what's more important to you - spending all your $$ on competing with Intel, AMD and Via, or having a profitable market in a niche
[05:53:21] <jmcp> Chipdancer: iirc it should come with gcc already. And you know that Sun Studio is free, right?
[05:53:28] <jmcp> apart from that either blastwave or sunfreeware
[05:53:28] <_Lewellyn> freetown: sparc does its own thing. for massively hyperthreading apps, i'd probably choose sparc+solaris without thinking.
[05:53:35] <freetown> jmcp, well...if you can keep out x86 sure
[05:53:56] <freetown> 128+threading processing...yeah...
[05:54:02] <jmcp> I personally want to see Sparc live on, and that means accepting that it's not necessarily appropriate to have it on a desktop as my primary cpu
[05:54:07] <_Lewellyn> freetown: x86 sucks for some things, sparc sucks for others. so they offer both.
[05:54:36] <freetown> _Lewellyn, true...so long as things stay the same, Sun is safe.
[05:54:48] <Chipdancer> jmcp: no gcc that I can see
[05:54:57] <_Lewellyn> freetown: they're moving in the right direction to keep themselves relevant
[05:54:57] <Chipdancer> I do know SS is free, yes
[05:54:58] <jmcp> Chipdancer: check /usr/sfw/bin
[05:55:08] <Chipdancer> ahh, gcc is in sfw
[05:55:09] <_Lewellyn> Chipdancer: gcc on which os version?
[05:55:15] <jmcp> Chipdancer: it's 3.4.3
[05:55:21] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: s10u6
[05:55:31] <Chipdancer> yeah, I'm after 4.1+
[05:55:35] <_Lewellyn> which cpu?
[05:55:44] <jmcp> Chipdancer: sunfreeware or blastwave then
[05:55:45] <Chipdancer> _Lewellyn: whatever is on a sunblade150
[05:55:50] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: sparc
[05:55:51] <_Lewellyn> if it's sparc, gccfss
[05:56:06] <Chipdancer> jmcp: is there a lazy way to use sunfreeware like blastwave?
[05:56:07] <_Lewellyn> you get the "best" of gcc and sun studio
[05:56:15] <jmcp> Chipdancer:  not that I'm aware of
[05:56:19] <Chipdancer> _Lewellyn: what's gccfss?
[05:56:24] <_Lewellyn> Chipdancer: sunfreeware gets "fun" sometimes :P
[05:56:30] <_Lewellyn> Chipdancer: sun's "gcc for sun sparc"
[05:56:33] <jmcp> UltraSPARC-IIi
[05:56:46] <_Lewellyn> the IIi does gccfss quite well...
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[05:57:23] <_Lewellyn> cooltools.sunsource.net/gcc/
[06:00:17] <Chipdancer> there's no way to use pkgadd to add a package from a URL, is here?
[06:00:18] <Chipdancer> there?
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[06:00:35] <Chipdancer> (I need to download the package by hand and then install it by hand?)
[06:00:47] <_Lewellyn> not unless you're using opensolaris
[06:00:51] <_Lewellyn> then you can use pkg
[06:01:06] <jmcp> Chipdancer: man pkgadd(1m), look for "http"
[06:01:13] <jmcp> you *did* install the manpages, right?
[06:01:25] <jbk> who needs those? :)
[06:01:33] <_Lewellyn> wait. you can? i should read the pkg* manpages every couple releases :D
[06:01:50] <Chipdancer> ahh, "-d"
[06:01:57] <Chipdancer> jmcp: I didn't install this box
[06:01:57] * jmcp rolls eyes
[06:02:04] <jmcp> Chipdancer: I know
[06:02:09] <Chipdancer> jmcp: it's not always clear
[06:02:12] <_Lewellyn> oh. i thought you could use http://(...).pkg.gz or something now :P
[06:02:35] <_Lewellyn> since there's, sadly, not enough non-compressed pkg files online
[06:14:00] <_Lewellyn> ok. so... let's say that i expand the partition that i have opensolaris installed on, and it's a zfs root pool... do i have to "move" the partition first to grow to the space in front of it?
[06:14:32] <_Lewellyn> i.e. i have 4 partitions, solaris is on #4. i want to make #3 go poof and have solaris consume its space
[06:15:18] <_Lewellyn> or is there a "native" way to handle this?
[06:15:31] <_Lewellyn> (x86, btw. hence partitions rather than slices)
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[06:21:29] <lblume> Only a single Solaris partition is supported on a given disk.
[06:22:12] <lblume> There a workaround there, untried, and no idea if it applies to ZFS: http://multiboot.solaris-x86.org/iv/3.html#two_solaris_partitions
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[06:22:40] <_Lewellyn> lblume: i want to keep a single partition
[06:22:50] <_Lewellyn> i just want it to grow in the front rather than the rear :)
[06:23:34] <lblume> Oh, from the rear, would be easy, but from the front....
[06:23:51] <lblume> You'd need to move your data to the front, too.
[06:24:13] <_Lewellyn> that's what i asked ;)
[06:24:26] <_Lewellyn> hence "moving" it
[06:24:38] <lblume> Sorry, my cnonection is a bit laggy, I probably missed that.
[06:24:46] <_Lewellyn> and i often make no sense
[06:24:53] <lblume> That, too.
[06:25:02] <_Lewellyn> you're not supposed to agree :P
[06:25:36] <lblume> Well, I've just concluded this morning that I have no good social skills, so decided, what the heck, let's give up altogether.
[06:26:26] <lblume> Hum, don't take me too seriously :-)
[06:27:17] <lblume> Do you have enough space to duplicate your whole Solaris partition? I would try that first, creatig a new one, then dd the old one on it and trying to boot the new.
[06:27:23] <eviljames> haha I give the same disclaimer of myself
[06:27:33] <eviljames> Don't take anything I say too seriously.
[06:28:15] <lblume> But you're evil, aren't you?
[06:28:31] <_Lewellyn> lblume: if i had the space to do that, i'd not be asking ;)
[06:31:51] <e^ipi> mirror to an external drive, wipe out the old one, mirror back
[06:31:53] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[06:32:50] <e^ipi> kinna sloppy but it works
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[06:54:06] <chowmeined> so my opensolaris is stuck at the bootsplash screen, is there a way i can have it boot with text instead?
[06:55:03] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i was thinking of just using a partition-moving utility. copy the bits one by one ;)
[06:55:22] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: that's vague. bootsplash? you mean grub?
[06:55:34] <_Lewellyn> and stuck? you mean cursor keys don't work?
[06:55:48] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, no not grub, its booted i can ssh into it, but the little scrolly boot screen just stays there
[06:56:03] <chowmeined> progress bar loading screen
[06:56:06] <_Lewellyn> scrolly boot screen? o_O
[06:56:17] <_Lewellyn> this must be something that's not in sxce
[06:56:36] <chowmeined> it says opensolaris
[06:56:54] <_Lewellyn> i can't help you if it's not in sxce. i haven't installed 2008.11 yet :)
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[06:57:02] <chowmeined> oh ok
[06:57:04] <_Lewellyn> try me again in about 14 hours :)
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[06:59:40] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, ok, well at least do you know where the grub conf is?
[07:00:28] <chowmeined> nvm i found it
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[07:13:32] <e^ipi> chowmeined: there is a way to turn it off.
[07:13:39] <e^ipi> it's called "happyface boot"
[07:13:49] * xRaich[o]2x *shudders*
[07:13:52] <e^ipi> now go use your google skills
[07:13:54] <chowmeined> e^ipi, yeah i found it once i found the grub menu.lst
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[07:21:06] <flyingparchment> is there a way to make groupadd and useradd start creating IDs at some particular number, say 5000?
[07:23:08] <\amethyst> flyingparchment:  create a user (resp. group) with uid 4999
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[07:35:57] <lblume> Anybody here uses OOo on S10, with IIIM activated? I'm having what looks like a huge bug :-/
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[07:40:07] <sickness> lblume: IIIM is a huge bug by itself :(
[07:40:08] <sickness> ghgh
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[07:41:25] <lblume> sickness: I know, and they keep adding smaller new bugs to it - and nevertheless, I need it :-(
[07:41:38] <sickness> heh
[07:42:20] <sickness> a big problem that I had, but others had, is that without iiim gtk programs stopped responding if you weren't using gnome, they had little but annoying pauses in the input
[07:42:55] <sickness> now I start the daemon, kill it, and just start the panel in my xinitrc and it happens to just work...
[07:43:45] <lblume> I've been foolish enough to use GNOME since S10 came out... It made for a lot of bug reporting during the betas.
[07:44:23] <lblume> But don't worry, you're not singled out, there's been plenty of IIIM bugs inside GNOME, too. One that freeze my OOo, now.
[07:50:19] <_Lewellyn> heh. my S10 box that runs X is *way* tooooo slooooowwwww to even think about running OOo :)
[07:52:13] <lblume> Isn't it an x86 box?
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[07:56:17] <batschul> Hello, I am Frank Batschulat and an OpenSolaris Core Contributor. My OpenSolaris ID is batschul.
[07:56:47] <jmcp> batschul: hi Frank, you might want to repeat that in #opensolaris-meeting
[07:56:49] <e^ipi> hey batschul ... #opensolaris-meeting for the bot to pick it up
[07:56:53] <e^ipi> what jmcp said
[07:57:12] * jmcp indulges in shameless promotion of his conference --->  http://wikis.sun.com/display/KCA/KCA2009+-+Call+for+Papers
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[07:58:29] <batschul> jmcp: thanks, now after reading carefully again I noticed I'm at the wrong party..
[07:58:32] <robertbb> Just bought 7 x OCZ 4GB ATV Flash Sticks, and a 7 port Dlink USB HUB. Now have me a cheap hot-swappable HDD enclosure to play with ;-)
[07:58:42] <jmcp> batschul: nowurries, the more the merrier
[07:58:51] <_Lewellyn> lblume: ultra 5. it runs Xvnc
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[08:00:24] <chowmeined> can anyone go watch
[08:00:57] <e^ipi> watch what?
[08:01:03] <chowmeined> the meeting
[08:01:12] <e^ipi> it's not a closed meeting
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[08:03:48] <lblume> Oh, I feel for you, I've run S10 on a Blade 150, which is a barely less slow pile of crap. And I had to run OOo...
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[08:12:34] <c00p> I love mbuffer :) getting 118mb a second with zfs send on 2 x4500s :)
[08:12:54] <flyingparchment> c00p: small number of large files?
[08:12:57] <c00p> so much for the 3.6tb send taking all weekend ... 2 hours and almost sent 1tb :)
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[08:13:14] <gerryxiao> hello
[08:13:34] <c00p> lots of 20gb .img files and stuff ... but it's block level so should that matter ?
[08:13:34] <gerryxiao> why cant i find "smexec " command in os2008?
[08:13:41] <c00p> I have jumbo frames enabled :)
[08:13:50] <flyingparchment> c00p: it seems to, mbuffer didn't help us much.. we have a lot of small files
[08:14:00] <flyingparchment> 6MB/s is about the fastest it gets
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[08:14:38] <c00p> I have jumbo frames enabled on a Cisco 3750 stack ... pretty much maxing out the gigabit link
[08:14:53] <c00p> so atm each x4500 is on the same switch ...
[08:15:02] <flyingparchment> i'm pretty sure jumbo frames is not going to increase speed from 6MB to 120MB ;)
[08:15:10] <c00p> but the second one will be moving to another building @ work soon ...
[08:15:30] <gerryxiao> why cant i find "smexec " command in os2008?
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[08:16:00] <c00p> will see what I get then ... but I compiled the latest mbuffer this afternoon and went from 30mb a second (with ssh piping) to 118mb a second ... loving it :)
[08:16:07] <c00p> what kinf of switch you go flyingparchment
[08:16:14] <flyingparchment> foundry rx-16
[08:16:32] <c00p> what build? I am 105
[08:16:39] <flyingparchment> s10 u6
[08:17:17] <c00p> my 3rd x4500 so s10u6 ... it's also etherchannel - so I might try sending from that and see how I go as a test :)
[08:17:35] <c00p> might etherchannel a second x4500 and see the what max I can push there :)
[08:17:42] <flyingparchment> that won't help for a single channel
[08:17:50] <flyingparchment> er, single connection
[08:18:11] <c00p> won't lacp enable both interfaces to be used ?
[08:18:26] <gerryxiao> how to manage RBAC tasks?
[08:18:27] <flyingparchment> no, since it decides what if to send on based on mac address, ip or src/dest port
[08:18:31] <flyingparchment> and for one tcp connection, those are all the same
[08:18:41] <wdp> morn
[08:18:49] <c00p> dam - o well .... happy with 118 mb a second :)
[08:18:55] <flyingparchment> (plus sending one tcp connection over two interfaces would cause packet ordering issues)
[08:19:16] <c00p> couldn't a packet go on each network and just re-squence at the other end ...
[08:19:23] <c00p> *each nic
[08:19:31] <flyingparchment> well you would need like 50MB of tcp buffers ;)
[08:19:46] <c00p> hop to it sun :)
[08:20:01] <c00p> 10ge will be cost effective in a year or 2 :)
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[08:21:39] <c00p> dude 6mb a second would suck hard ... :(
[08:22:01] <flyingparchment> there's some fix in SX that's meant to help a bit, but it didn't go back to S10 yet
[08:22:06] <c00p> have you tried directly connecting the boxes to see if that helped or a different switch ?
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[08:22:30] <flyingparchment> it's not a switch problem - known issue with zfs send
[08:22:39] <c00p> I did a send from a s10u5 box (before it was u6) and I got 20 -> 30mb a second ...
[08:23:00] <c00p> but yes I have heard of performance probs ...
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[08:25:19] <gerryxiao> hello
[08:25:49] <GianPol> yo
[08:25:53] <gerryxiao> which file is equavalent to /dev/dsp  in opensolaris when using mplayer?
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[08:26:35] <gerryxiao> when startup mplayer, it complains not found /dev/dsp file
[08:28:00] <gerryxiao> or need i links something?
[08:28:14] <gerryxiao> /dev/sound/0 ?
[08:28:22] <gerryxiao> any ideas?
[08:29:56] <c00p> no idea there sorry ...
[08:30:05] <lblume> If you installed OSS, you should have /dev/dsp
[08:30:22] <gerryxiao> lblume: i'm using audiohd
[08:30:52] <lblume> It's generally better to use OSS, IMO.
[08:32:30] <gerryxiao>   audiohd can work, why oss?
[08:33:05] <gerryxiao> audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file
[08:33:46] <lblume> For example, yes.
[08:33:52] <lblume> That's one good reason.
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[08:38:56] <codestr0m> jbk: pm me if you'd like honest feedback about your obg statement
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[08:42:05] <e^ipi> mmmm... toaster waffles and yesterday's leftover italian wine
[08:42:10] <e^ipi> truly the dinner of kings
[08:43:11] * xRaich[o]2x had kraut for breakfast... serving the cliché
[08:44:07] <_Lewellyn> heh. i picked up a giant jar of sauerkraut a couple hours ago
[08:44:23] <xRaich[o]2x> weißkraut ftw!
[08:44:31] <e^ipi> we eat it on hotdogs here
[08:44:56] <xRaich[o]2x> sauerkraut? or weißkraut?
[08:45:09] <e^ipi> i didn't know there was a difference
[08:45:12] <e^ipi> so whichever's cheaper
[08:45:13] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: lemme grab the jar. second
[08:45:33] <xRaich[o]2x> weißkraut is "sweeter"
[08:45:45] <xRaich[o]2x> tastes great on toast
[08:45:48] <_Lewellyn> it says: kiseli kupus domaci rezani
[08:45:57] <_Lewellyn> it's from slovenia
[08:45:58] <xRaich[o]2x> wtf? O_o
[08:46:01] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok
[08:46:05] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: the last time someone told me something tastes great on toast...
[08:46:09] <e^ipi> they were australian
[08:46:10] <e^ipi> ...
[08:46:14] <xRaich[o]2x> lol
[08:46:16] <e^ipi> it was a lie. a horrible, horrible lie.
[08:46:36] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: hahaha. vegemite? :D
[08:46:37] <xRaich[o]2x> well i eat almost everything on toast.... you shouldn't believe me :P
[08:46:42] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: correct.
[08:46:45] <_Lewellyn> hahahahahahahaha
[08:46:52] <_Lewellyn> wanna make a quick $20?
[08:46:53] <xRaich[o]2x> what's vegemite?
[08:46:59] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: you know when you're at a party
[08:47:09] <_Lewellyn> bet someone they can't eat a giant tablespoon of it without drinking a glass of water within an hour
[08:47:13] <e^ipi> and you have too much to drink that you end up sleeping there?
[08:47:16] <_Lewellyn> they likely won't make it through the spoon
[08:47:32] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: google it. it's vile as sin
[08:47:37] <e^ipi> and the next morning in a hangover haze, you grab the bottle next to you and take a swig
[08:47:46] <e^ipi> but someone used it as an ashtray ?
[08:47:49] <e^ipi> it's that.
[08:47:57] <e^ipi> they eat it on toast
[08:48:05] <xRaich[o]2x> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Vegemiteontoast_large.jpg
[08:48:09] <xRaich[o]2x> awesome!
[08:48:20] <xRaich[o]2x> that looks like someone used toast for TP
[08:49:04] <e^ipi> i don't understand how anyone can eat it. the australians are truly more hardcore than I could ever be
[08:49:25] <devians> vegemite is great
[08:49:30] <devians> you lot are all soft
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[08:49:40] <lblume> Is it spicy?
[08:49:44] <devians> salty
[08:49:51] <xRaich[o]2x> wasabi on toast!
[08:49:57] <devians> its an experience, just try it :P
[08:50:01] <lblume> Hmmmm, wasabi.....
[08:50:12] <lblume> Why spoil its taste with toast, though?
[08:50:16] <xRaich[o]2x> or different kinds of chilli sauce
[08:50:24] <ZOP> ....wasabi on toast?
[08:50:33] <ZOP> thats....definitely one of the weirdest things ever
[08:50:44] <MACscr1> if I were to build a small iscsi san with opensolaris and zfs, I was thinking about getting a mb that supported up to 8 sata drives and 2 pata. Think it would be ok to just run the OS on the pata's in raid1, that way I had the sata's left over for the san?
[08:50:47] <chowmeined> vegemite
[08:50:50] <lblume> I've seen somethingmite in a my supermarket, but it was imported stuff, and expensive. Didn't seem worth the try :-)
[08:51:01] <xRaich[o]2x> ZOP: well.... like i said before... i eat everything on toast *shrug*
[08:51:04] <e^ipi> lblume: it'd be either vegemite or marmite
[08:51:08] <chowmeined> MACscr1, thats what i was planning on doing
[08:51:10] <ZOP> vegemite is biological warfare though.
[08:51:15] <e^ipi> ZOP: +1
[08:51:18] <ZOP> and is...yeah heh in the same class as marmite hah
[08:51:28] <MACscr1> chowmeined: got much planned out yet?
[08:51:35] <_Lewellyn> lblume: don't buy it. you're regret it. *mite is evil.
[08:51:35] <e^ipi> the australians have declared war on everyone unfortunate enough to think "hey, what's this?"
[08:51:59] <chowmeined> MACscr1, putting the OS on a zfs mirror on pata, and then using all the sata for the main storage pool
[08:52:13] <lblume> ZOP: I doubt it. It seemed pretty much sterilized and pasteurized in that very anglo-saxon way. Nothing biological in it. Chemical, now....
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[08:52:53] <xRaich[o]2x> i seriously need some green tabasco here
[08:53:00] <wdp> green?
[08:53:01] <lblume> I found some!
[08:53:02] <xRaich[o]2x> too bad they don't sell i here -_-
[08:53:03] <wdp> ah.
[08:53:06] <wdp> haha
[08:53:09] <e^ipi> wdp: less spicy, made with jalapenos
[08:53:17] <xRaich[o]2x> but tastes good
[08:53:18] <lblume> In Carrefour, almost cried with joy.
[08:53:24] <MACscr1> chowmeined: how much ram you going to use? I was thinking of starting with just 8gb
[08:53:28] <xRaich[o]2x> i like the taste of jalapenos
[08:53:31] <wdp> xRaich[o]2x, grass? oder gibts wirklich gruenen tabak?
[08:53:32] <ZOP> lblume: ok i might buy the biochemical warfare then.
[08:53:33] <MACscr1> might only put in a dual core cpu as well
[08:53:45] <chowmeined> MACscr1, i dont think my setup is that big, i have 3GB of ram and a dual core (ish) processor
[08:53:52] <xRaich[o]2x> wdp: dude tabasco. mild chilli sauce
[08:54:00] <wdp> lol
[08:54:05] <wdp> haha.
[08:54:06] <lblume> Not too expensive, even.
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[08:54:09] <wdp> i got confused with tobacco
[08:54:09] <MACscr1> zfs likes ram from what I've read, so the more the better
[08:54:14] <wdp> green tobacco.. u know..
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[08:54:15] <wdp> :P
[08:54:22] <wdp> tobasco.. yeah ok
[08:54:23] <wdp> :P
[08:54:26] <chowmeined> MACscr1, yes, the more in ram the more goes at ram speed
[08:54:26] <e^ipi> MACscr1: where'd the on-topic question come from?
[08:54:30] <lblume> But small bottles only, the poor little thing won't last the week :-(
[08:54:33] <e^ipi> we were talking about horrible food
[08:54:41] <xRaich[o]2x> wdp: greetings from freud ;)
[08:54:45] <wdp> lol
[08:54:56] <wdp> e^ipi, i cant wear the cap anymore :(
[08:54:59] <MACscr1> sorry e^ipi, im new here =P
[08:55:03] <lblume> And I found out that green tabasco helps to eat boiled seeweeds.
[08:55:08] <lblume> seaweeds
[08:55:10] <xRaich[o]2x> lblume: i'd love a big bottle of green tabasco....
[08:55:22] <e^ipi> MACscr1: on topic is good... was just wondering where it came from
[08:55:33] <e^ipi> wdp: shrink in the wash?
[08:55:39] <wdp> no. new haircut.
[08:56:01] <wdp> e^ipi, pm. awesome or?
[08:56:02] <wdp> :P
[08:56:10] <MACscr1> e^ipi: eh, im planning an iscsi san for xen virtualization storage. Wanted to try something other than my md3000i
[08:56:16] <lblume> xRaich[o]2x: they do exist, I got some in San Diego few years ago. Well, not huge, but not the small standard kind. Maybe they can be ordered?
[08:56:17] <e^ipi> yeah man
[08:56:52] <xRaich[o]2x> lblume: i've got a chilli sauce mail-order shop... but they don't have tabasco afaik
[08:57:06] <xRaich[o]2x> since that stuff is just too mild ^^
[08:57:14] <Berny> xRaich[o]2x, green tabasco has nearly every supermarket (kaufland has it, rewe sometimes, penny even)
[08:57:15] <e^ipi> MACscr1: any reason you're using iscsi instead of just having your xen domains on your storage box?
[08:57:28] <xRaich[o]2x> Berny: i know... but not here
[08:57:37] <Berny> time to move :-P
[08:57:38] <MACscr1> e^ipi: so I can migrate them easily from one box to another
[08:57:46] <xRaich[o]2x> hrhr
[08:57:47] <wdp> is the solaris kernel using ticks like linux kernels?
[08:58:00] <wdp> and is it possible to change the hz? like from x to 1000hz ?
[08:58:04] <Berny> wdp, it still is
[08:58:16] <Berny> wdp, but there is work going into a tickless kernel
[08:58:46] <wdp> i'm more interested into a realtime or low latency kernel. would like to try running gameservers within solaris.
[08:58:51] <wdp> thats why i ask
[08:58:57] <tomww> high resolution timing might be there anyways IMHO
[08:58:59] <e^ipi> wdp: so turn on the real-time scheduler
[08:59:08] <wdp> any doc for that?
[08:59:11] <wdp> link?
[08:59:55] <xRaich[o]2x> man priocntl
[09:00:05] <wdp> no solaris running atm heh.
[09:00:16] <xRaich[o]2x> read up the manpage on docs.sun.com ;)
[09:00:18] <tomww> realtime sheduling class might hang your system for a while if not used properly and software doesn't behave well
[09:00:21] <wdp> ty .)
[09:00:23] <tomww> so be carefull
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[09:00:41] <ZOP> uhm yeah probably not whats wanted for gaming servers
[09:00:52] <ZOP> generally thats more along the lines of preemptive scheduling
[09:01:02] <ZOP> and...idk of any popular games that come with solaris servers heh
[09:01:06] <e^ipi> wdp: priocntl and what not
[09:01:18] <e^ipi> it uses the project framework
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[09:01:48] <wdp> well i wanted to switch with my servers from linux to solaris from time to time. right now im just trying out what things are behaving good / not good within solaris.
[09:02:09] <batschul> wdp: ever played with high resolution timers ? setting hire_tick in /etc/system ? see : http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/conf/param.c#128
[09:02:18] <wdp> ZOP, quake3 is running fine within solaris, so every mod too - like urban terror for example.
[09:02:22] <tomww> Solaris always behaves to the best
[09:02:37] <wdp> ZOP, for everything else, maybe a linux zone, if nothing else helps.
[09:03:24] <wdp> batschul, nope, thanks for the link, will look at it
[09:03:44] <batschul> wdp: should have been hires_tick
[09:03:47] <xRaich[o]2x> any news on boost for solaris?
[09:04:19] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: it'll be available when you make a spec file for it and submit it to pending/
[09:04:46] <gerryxiao> rhythmbox not work,need help
[09:04:47] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: oh i thought there was already ongoing work there
[09:05:04] <xRaich[o]2x> someone mentioned that a while back
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[09:05:18] <e^ipi> it's possible *shrug*
[09:05:33] <e^ipi> but if it doesn't exist, best to submit it
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[09:08:27] <wdp> <tomww> Solaris always behaves to the best
[09:08:28] <wdp> heh
[09:08:39] <wdp> i thin solaris would be better for the stuff im doing with linux atm
[09:08:43] <wdp> especially cause of zfs.
[09:08:57] <wdp> thats why i started to play around with opensolaris ago some months.
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[09:09:48] <wdp> i just fear that i will have trouble with it during productive use. at linux i know how to handle problems. at solaris not yet. so if something happens, i will need a bit time to fix it.
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[09:10:46] <e^ipi> support contract?
[09:10:57] <wdp> i dont wanna pay for it :)
[09:11:02] <e^ipi> fair enough
[09:11:35] <mitrox> wdp, and how to handle problems with linux?
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[09:12:07] <DTEIT> morning
[09:12:09] <tomww> but google help *much* because of the highest standardisation level solaris owns. no variantes. ever the same way to handle things
[09:12:27] <tomww> mitrox: distribution specific and generic
[09:13:32] <wdp> mitrox, its not about solaris/linux. its about something which u know, and something which you have just basic experience with. Look at CVS for example. i know a few big companies which are still using it, because they know how to handle problems with it if any occur. they just dont switch to git or svn because at CVS they already know what to do if something happens.
[09:14:16] <mitrox> so, what typically do you do when you faced with linux kernel problems?
[09:14:17] <xRaich[o]2x> bad habits die slowly
[09:14:32] <gerryxiao> rhythmbox complaint "couldn't initilize Xv ouput when play mp3 file, how to fix it?
[09:15:12] <wdp> mitrox, for example?
[09:15:14] <_Lewellyn> wdp: yes. i keep wondering why people keep changing to version-control-of-the-month
[09:15:39] <e^ipi> scm migration is also quite difficult
[09:15:47] <_Lewellyn> in the end, you are better off keeping something that does what you need and everyone knows how to use and you can administer easily in a "disaster" situation :P
[09:15:54] <e^ipi> it took us what, 2 years of work with a couple engineers to do it
[09:16:08] <wdp> _Lewellyn, i guess its about features. But why change with something u know, which works, to something you dont know which might fail and which will took you a lot of time to fix.
[09:16:15] <wdp> its about the potential risk.
[09:16:55] <wdp> my english is horrible in the morning heh.
[09:16:59] <_Lewellyn> wdp: especially cvs. if you have a cvs repo that was migrated from rcs, moving it anywhere is going to possibly cause history loss.
[09:17:23] <e^ipi> wdp: mine too
[09:17:44] <e^ipi> since it's the only language I know it's problematic
[09:17:46] <_Lewellyn> i just fail to sense make often ;)
[09:18:00] <wdp> s/sense make often/often make sense
[09:18:01] <wdp> or?
[09:18:02] <wdp> whatever.
[09:18:08] <_Lewellyn> wdp: it was a joke
[09:18:20] <wdp> i'm german, we're stupid at getting jokes.
[09:18:24] * wdp hides
[09:18:39] <e^ipi> wdp: your people aren't known for funny, it's okay
[09:18:43] <e^ipi> angry... but not funny
[09:18:46] <e^ipi> ;)
[09:18:55] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: The Producers comes to mind... ;)
[09:19:01] <wdp> hah
[09:19:01] <ZOP> _Lewellyn: it was a joke, and a bad one, almost a puny one too.
[09:19:04] <ZOP> :P
[09:19:11] <_Lewellyn> not sure you can joke about that movie in germany tho
[09:19:28] <_Lewellyn> probably even illegal to watch :P
[09:19:34] <wdp> which movie?
[09:19:39] <_Lewellyn> The Producers
[09:20:33] <wdp> dont even know that one
[09:20:39] <_Lewellyn> gene wilder was awesome
[09:21:07] <_Lewellyn> wdp: it's a movie about a scam to make a musical production that will flop. so they find one about hitler.
[09:21:19] <wdp> lol
[09:21:27] <kibibyte> hi ppl
[09:21:39] <_Lewellyn> it's in very poor taste, so they expect it to fail. but they cast it so poorly, it turns into a comedy and succeeds
[09:21:42] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: heard about that one. sounds hilarious
[09:21:44] <wdp> _Lewellyn, u know whats the funny thing about hitler?
[09:21:52] <wdp> _Lewellyn, some americans still think he's alive.
[09:21:55] <wdp> :P
[09:21:57] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: watch the original. gene wilder was awesome
[09:22:04] <xRaich[o]2x> wdp: or fiction ;)
[09:22:04] <_Lewellyn> wdp: we think elvis is alive, too.
[09:22:10] <wdp> haha
[09:22:16] <ZOP> _Lewellyn: he is alive, he just went home.
[09:22:23] <wdp> and i guess 70% of americans dont know that he wasnt even born in germany
[09:22:24] <wdp> :P
[09:22:33] <_Lewellyn> ZOP: no. i saw him driving a 19 Polk bus here in san francisco yesterday
[09:22:41] <_Lewellyn> was bout the right age
[09:22:50] <xRaich[o]2x> wdp: why should they. how much do we know about american history ;)
[09:22:55] <ZOP> and hitler's alive too
[09:22:55] <_Lewellyn> wdp: and that he was a health nut
[09:23:00] <ZOP> he works the door at the wal-mart here
[09:23:05] <wdp> lol
[09:23:16] <ZOP> (seriously, there's this old dude that has that moustache, the right eyes ears, everything)
[09:23:37] <wdp> ZOP, where ur from?
[09:23:45] <ZOP> Missoula, MT
[09:23:50] <wdp> america?
[09:23:54] <e^ipi> seriously? how can anyone get away with sporting the hitler 'stash in this day and age?
[09:23:57] <_Lewellyn> ZOP: i could say so many things in poor taste right now.
[09:24:03] <ZOP> oh fark i forgot about the networking subsystem changes between 104 and 108 damnit... my myk driver needs recompiled.
[09:24:15] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: some really do ;)
[09:24:18] <ZOP> _Lewellyn: nothing anyone else hasn't said already.
[09:24:18] <wdp> xRaich[o]2x, well.. we know that bush is bad
[09:24:18] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: it's still bad form to name your kid adolf, yes :P
[09:24:23] <wdp> xRaich[o]2x, thats enough, isnt it :>
[09:24:41] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: i sported one just to confuse a friend of mine when i came over
[09:24:48] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: nazis ?
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[09:25:13] <e^ipi> i've sported one for 10 minutes after not shaving for 2 weeks ( unemployment beard ) and then shaving
[09:25:21] <wdp> lol
[09:25:22] <e^ipi> but not in public
[09:25:22] <_Lewellyn> ZOP: my bad taste of choice requires a physical gag :(
[09:25:38] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: not sure but we have a german comedian that went to the wiener opernball and there was some dude that was kind of a hitler lookalike
[09:25:51] <wdp> xRaich[o]2x, which one?
[09:25:52] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i've started sporting "crazy guy" beard
[09:26:13] <ZOP> i'm bordering on slobby shag at the moment out of laziness.
[09:26:14] <_Lewellyn> amazingly, people respect your opinions more regarding unix when you have one
[09:26:37] <_Lewellyn> so much for it being a myth
[09:26:41] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: i like anachronistic beards
[09:26:42] <e^ipi> handlebar moustashes, franz josef, etc
[09:26:48] <xRaich[o]2x> wdp: good ol hape ;)
[09:26:53] <wdp> haha.
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[09:27:09] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: it was once joked that i grow on my face what most men grow on their ass :(
[09:27:18] <e^ipi> eww
[09:27:23] <_Lewellyn> so anachronistic facial hair is out of the question
[09:27:33] <wdp> _Lewellyn, wanna see nice hair?
[09:27:41] * _Lewellyn is afraid
[09:27:43] <wdp> www.jeanbruenn.info/jean_3.jpg
[09:27:45] <wdp> www.jeanbruenn.info/jean_4.jpg
[09:27:49] <wdp> i was bored of my long hair
[09:27:54] <wdp> :>
[09:27:57] <_Lewellyn> oh. that'll require launching a browser :(
[09:28:16] <_Lewellyn> opera's being finicky, and firefox will want to reload like 80 tabs
[09:28:26] <_Lewellyn> and i can't get anything sane to compile
[09:28:30] * _Lewellyn wonders if dillo will do it
[09:28:36] <wdp> get the internet explorer
[09:28:38] <wdp> nice thing
[09:28:41] * wdp hides
[09:28:49] <_Lewellyn> wdp: wine doesn't like me in 108
[09:28:57] <_Lewellyn> i blame the new xorg + intel 945
[09:30:13] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJmAy7PzbsA last few seconds ;)
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[09:30:24] <_Lewellyn> wdp: heh. i trimmed my hair, but it's still quite long. plus a nice bushy beard
[09:30:35] <ZOP> ok time for me to sleep
[09:30:46] <_Lewellyn> and i'm nonphotogenic, else i'd point my cameraphone at myself to take one
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[09:31:54] <wdp> i made that haircut
[09:31:57] <wdp> because the girl i want
[09:31:59] <wdp> likes those stuff
[09:32:04] <wdp> well well the girls :>
[09:32:39] <e^ipi> people have done weirder things to impress girls
[09:32:46] <xRaich[o]2x> ack
[09:32:58] <wdp> well i wont tell everything here
[09:32:58] <wdp> :P
[09:33:10] <e^ipi> please don't
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[09:33:15] <wdp> :P
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[09:45:41] <LQVER_56_> heeey
[09:45:42] <LQVER_56_> :)
[09:45:47] <LQVER_56_> guten morgen
[09:45:59] 
[09:45:59] <LQVER_56_> http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/3001996/
[09:46:18] <e^ipi> LQVER_56_: hey
[09:46:28] <e^ipi> while we have plenty of germans here it's generally an english channel
[09:46:34] <e^ipi> #opensolaris-de :)
[09:46:44] <Stric> I would say #spam-de
[09:46:48] <e^ipi> (if you have difficulty )
[09:46:55] <e^ipi> Stric: i don't speak german so i dunno
[09:47:18] <Stric> looks like some pyramid scheme
[09:47:20] <e^ipi> so it is
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[09:49:32] <_Lewellyn> funny that a couple germans joined at the same time
[09:50:34] <_Lewellyn> hm. can i wait impatiently for 109 yet? ;)
[09:50:42] <e^ipi> huh? we have plenty of germans
[09:51:03] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: another joined at the same time as lqver
[09:51:24] <Berny> talking bout 109, shouldn't on be up to 109 by now?
[09:51:32] <_Lewellyn> though i don't suspect that fftb is a bot :)
[09:51:42] <e^ipi> it'll be up when it's up
[09:51:56] <_Lewellyn> that's why i'll wait. albeit impatiently ;)
[09:52:11] <Berny> i know... but the schedule said wos delivery 02/23/09
[09:52:39] <Berny> .oO(plus 10 days was yesterday)
[09:53:27] <e^ipi> jeez you people are impatient
[09:54:44] <GianPol> is it possible to make work compiz with ati radeon 1650 ?
[09:56:36] <trochej> Berny: Go and wait for Debian Lenny+1
[09:56:40] <trochej> :)
[09:56:42] <trochej> :)
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[09:58:21] <e1kg> GianPol:I has ran compiz with radeon 9250,but i am not sure radeon x1650.
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[10:04:56] <asyd> \_o<
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[10:10:18] <danielito> hi there. anyone running eclipse of you guys?
[10:10:57] <g4lt-lappy> nope, you're the first ever to run eclipse on opensolaris
[10:13:14] <danielito> you're right, stupid question
[10:13:21] <asyd> netbeans \o/
[10:13:46] <danielito> ok. I succeeded in installing eclipse with the package manager, not that difficult task. but I need it for PHP development, for java-development I use netbeans
[10:14:20] <danielito> so I installed the PDT-extension and the eclipse configuration management shows the pdt extension as successfully installed. just the functions are not there
[10:14:23] <danielito> any ideas?
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[10:15:31] <DTEIT> re
[10:18:40] <danielito> so g4lt-lappy obviously I'm the first ever to run pdt
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[10:25:58] <g4lt-lappy> danqdepends, are you askjing stupid questions about it?
[10:26:30] <g4lt-lappy> never mind, of course you are
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[11:17:02] <danielito> is the svcadm enable service command permanent?
[11:17:10] <flyingparchment> yes, if you don't use -t
[11:17:57] <danielito> thank you
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[11:22:25] <danielito> okay another newbie question. my solaris does not come up any more. the slider on the startup screen moves and moves. starting in text-mode and executing gdm by hand works
[11:22:29] <danielito> how would I resolve the problem?
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[11:26:16] <tsoome> by diagnose and fix.
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[11:27:22] <danielito> can you describe "diagnose" in more detail?
[11:28:08] <DTEIT> to copy a zfs file system over another zfs fs
[11:28:17] <danielito> a way to remove this screen and give me text-output where the system hangs would be a first steip
[11:28:17] <DTEIT> can i use just dd or there's a better way?
[11:28:28] <flyingparchment> DTEIT: use zfs send/recv
[11:28:33] <seanmcg> zfs send | zfs recieve
[11:29:11] <DTEIT> ah...thanks
[11:29:14] <seanmcg> DTEIT, is this on the same system or moving to a different box ?
[11:29:24] <DTEIT> no...same server
[11:29:35] <seanmcg> then try cloning the zfs..
[11:29:45] <seanmcg> snapshot it and then clone.
[11:29:48] <DTEIT> zfs clone?
[11:30:00] <seanmcg> man zfs
[11:30:13] <seanmcg> yes, zfs clone :)
[11:30:16] <DTEIT> yes i read it....but then i have to promote it right?
[11:30:20] <seanmcg> yup.
[11:30:43] <DTEIT> ok...i'l try....a good occasion to try something new ;)
[11:31:19] <seanmcg> theres examples in the man page
[11:32:01] <DTEIT> ok thanks
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[11:41:07] <DTEIT> anyway....the zfs management is something incredible :-)
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[11:47:25] <deftunix> hi all, in system accounting, what are billing users?
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[12:09:08] <oenone> does SXCE run fine on Xeon boxes?
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[12:09:55] <flyingparchment> yes
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[12:13:03] <seanmcg> sun make xeon boxes so i hope it would :)
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[12:22:50] <ahmed-tux> hello
[12:23:22] <ahmed-tux> i can't run X server when i update my opensolaris to 108b
[12:23:45] <ahmed-tux> and i had only white screen
[12:24:52] <ahmed-tux> what should i do ? backing to old
[12:25:15] <seanmcg> when logged in ?
[12:25:55] <ahmed-tux> seanmcg: yes i think gdm connection failure
[12:26:22] <ahmed-tux> seanmcg: as i told , i had only white sceen
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[12:28:06] <ahmed-tux> seanmcg: do you use opensolaris too ?
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[12:30:08] <xRaich[o]2x> ahmed-tux: do you have a modified xorg.conf?
[12:30:32] <ahmed-tux> xRaich[o]2x: no i didn't
[12:31:18] <ahmed-tux> xRaich[o]2x: i use this command for updating my OS pfexec pkg set-authority -O http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/ opensolaris.org
[12:31:18] <seanmcg> ahmed-tux, so you get the gdm login screen ok ?
[12:31:39] <ahmed-tux> seanmcg: no i don't
[12:31:59] <seanmcg> ah, ok.  What graphics card you have ?  intel ?
[12:32:11] <ahmed-tux> seanmcg: nvidia 8500GT
[12:32:33] <ahmed-tux> seanmcg: worked well on 101b
[12:32:36] <seanmcg> ohh, different again.
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[12:32:53] <seanmcg> can you paste.bin the Xorg log in /var/log ?
[12:33:11] <seanmcg> yes, I run opensolaris (and sxce)
[12:33:44] <ahmed-tux> seanmcg: i can't cause i had only white screen and can't do anything
[12:34:13] <xRaich[o]2x> ahmed-tux: boot the old BE and mount the 108 instance
[12:34:21] <xRaich[o]2x> or login via ssh
[12:34:23] <seanmcg> can't login through another box ?
[12:36:02] <ahmed-tux> xRaich[o]2x: yes i can do that
[12:36:31] <seanmcg> ahmed-tux, don't suppose you have a dual monitor setup or the like ?
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[12:37:36] <ahmed-tux> seanmcg: nono i don't
[12:38:31] <ahmed-tux> i need to finish some update and after i 'll reboot
[12:38:45] <seanmcg> ok, have a look on alanc's blog if anything twigs your interest: http://blogs.sun.com/alanc - it lists a bunch of issues around Xorg lately.
[12:38:55] <oenone> is it possible to run sxce in headless setup? like, install via serial console?
[12:39:14] <ahmed-tux> seanmcg: yes thank you very much
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[12:40:32] <seanmcg> oenone, yes
[12:40:44] <IvanR_> oenone: Yes, "eeprom input-device=ttya;eeprom output-device=ttya"
[12:40:53] <oenone> thx
[12:40:56] <seanmcg> eeprom console=ttya
[12:41:18] <IvanR_> And also grub's "serial" command if you're on x86
[12:41:37] <flyingparchment> to _install_ via serial, pass -Bconsole=ttya on the grub kernel line
[12:41:48] <flyingparchment> or ttyb if your serial console is in com2 (Dell)
[12:42:49] <ahmed-tux> is it possible to using console by pressinf Alt+Ctrl+F1 or F2 or F3 .....
[12:43:41] <seanmcg> ahmed-tux, not quite yet.  If you're not running Xorg and have the virtual-console enables then yes.  Support into the Xorg isn't there yet.
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[13:24:58] <axisys> how do I make any files inherit the group permission from its directory in ZFS ?
[13:25:01] <axisys>  I tried to a non-trivial acl (index id 3) as shown here.. but the files permissions are still following the users umask
[13:25:07] <axisys> http://pastebin.com/ded170f
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[13:26:12] <axisys> i made sure the zfs aclmode is set to passthrough
[13:27:24] <flyingparchment> hmm.. if i create a pool with 4 cpus, and put a project in it, is it normal that psrinfo still shows 8 cpus?  how can i determine how many cpus the current pool has?
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[13:28:10] <cmihai> psrinfo -v should show only 4 CPUs
[13:28:36] <cmihai> What pset.max did you use?
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[13:28:55] <flyingparchment> cmihai: http://rafb.net/p/Iu5C5m77.html
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[13:30:31] <cmihai> http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2007/08/solaris-container-with-1-cpu-resource.html
[13:30:34] <cmihai> It only showed 1 CPU for me.
[13:30:39] <cmihai> But I did use zones.
[13:30:45] <flyingparchment> hmm
[13:31:57] <flyingparchment> okay, it works if i put a zone in the pool
[13:31:58] <cmihai> That's ancient, I think there's new tools and stuff for this now. But I'm pretty sure psrinfo should report just 4 cpus...
[13:32:07] <flyingparchment> maybe that's a special zone thing
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[13:36:23] <cmihai> Eh, you get better isolation using zones anyway, cpu shares, memory shares, that sort of thing.
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[13:37:52] <cmihai> If you're putting a zone in you're better off just using the zone.cpu-shares or dedicated-cpu
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[13:38:18] <cmihai> I think I was doing that before it got integrated in zonecfg.
[13:38:36] <oenone> hey chimai :D
[13:38:46] <flyingparchment> well, it's for licensing, i need the process to think there's only four cpus
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[13:39:15] <tsoome> cpuset
[13:39:28] <chowmeined> is there an option on dtrace to list the available providers?
[13:40:07] <cmihai> flyingparchment: you should use dedicated-cpu zones then.
[13:40:26] <cmihai> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1592/6mhahuouc?a=view
[13:41:34] <CosmicDJ> chowmeined: well that list would be pretty short ;)
[13:41:55] <chowmeined> CosmicDJ, i dunno, there are providers for different languages like python, php and ruby
[13:42:07] <chowmeined> i just wanted to know what there were things for
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[13:42:48] <flyingparchment> cmihai: hmm, so it's like pools, but easier
[13:43:02] <seanmcg> chowmeined, dtrace -l will list whats currently on a system
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[13:43:37] <chowmeined> yeah, those are the probes
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[13:43:46] <chowmeined> isnt there a shorter list of providers
[13:44:04] <CosmicDJ> http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/DTrace_Topics_Providers#List_of_Providers
[13:44:16] <CosmicDJ> 7 items, short enough? ;)
[13:44:30] <chowmeined> i dont think thats accurate though
[13:45:08] <chowmeined> it hasnt been updated since 2004, and i know they added a python provider, they demo'd it
[13:45:14] <CosmicDJ> well you can add dtrace probes to any app, compiling such a list wouldn't be very useful then, right?
[13:45:26] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: download the dtrace handbook from docs.sun.com
[13:45:53] <seanmcg> aye, dtrace, the 'd' being the key letter.  So any list is too static and out of date by time of publishing.
[13:45:57] <chowmeined> CosmicDJ, its different, the probes trace the c code of the interpreter, not the interpreted language calls
[13:46:15] <chowmeined> but they added providers so you could trace the languages too
[13:46:59] <CosmicDJ> well, I'm sure the python folks documented this somewhere
[13:47:23] <chowmeined> sun did it, not python folks
[13:48:05] <ChrisRichard> Is anybody here good at writing long documents?
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[13:49:31] <monsted> ChrisRichard: not if they have to contain anything intelligent :)
[13:50:43] <CosmicDJ> "Lorem ipsum" 4tw ;)
[13:51:05] <sensei> heh
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[13:52:00] <CosmicDJ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum
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[14:00:19] <kibibyte> hey ppl
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[14:04:49] <flyingparchment> tsoome: do cpusets affect how many processes the process can see?
[14:04:57] <flyingparchment> it enforces the license, it won't start if it thinks the system has too many CPUs
[14:05:04] <tsoome> define "see"
[14:05:10] <flyingparchment> in psrinfo e.g.
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[14:06:29] <tsoome> i think so, it is most definitely so with zones - if you assign a group of cpus to the zone, but i believ its so with child processes or ptocess groups as well
[14:06:35] <tsoome> process*
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[14:07:22] <oenone> flyingparchment: how many processors do you have?
[14:08:17] <tsoome> usually the license is on paper anyhow
[14:08:21] <flyingparchment> oenone: 8
[14:08:31] <flyingparchment> tsoome: no, it enforces the license, it will refuse to start.  (trust me, i've see it do this)
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[14:08:49] <tsoome> that means you have to worry on actual limits, not visibility
[14:09:15] <tsoome> ah ok, its the nasty kind you got...
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[14:09:26] <oenone> can you hack the app?
[14:09:38] <tsoome> anyhow, psset is easy to create and manage.
[14:10:07] <flyingparchment> i'm pretty sure that would invalidate our support contract
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[14:10:15] <flyingparchment> tsoome: hmm, i've have a look then
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[14:11:25] <oenone> maybe you can disable the processors before booting
[14:12:53] <codestr0m> oh.. some people may not like this.. would anyone familiar with zfs please take a glance and highlight any corrections/additions I should make http://www.codestrom.com/wandering/2009/03/zvs-vs-btrfs-comparison.html
[14:13:04] <flyingparchment> oenone: no, i want the processors for other things
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[14:13:49] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: I'd start fixing the URL ;) s/zvs/zfs/
[14:14:38] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: fixed
[14:15:30] <codestr0m> zvs is the patent free version :P
[14:15:35] <turtle> why does online resizing say no for zfs?
[14:15:50] <seanmcg> codestr0m, built in raid also has raidz - ala raid5
[14:16:06] <seanmcg> the raidz2 is more like the overkill raid6
[14:16:07] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I thought it's closer to raid6 ?
[14:16:14] <codestr0m> ok. gotcha..
[14:16:14] <flyingparchment> no, raid6 = raidz2
[14:17:18] <codestr0m> fixed
[14:17:25] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: zfs is also endian independant, that is you can exchange zfs disks on sparc/x86 systems (you couldn't do this with UFS), no idea if that's true for btrfs, too
[14:17:31] <oenone> about the raid thing.. zfs' raid is software-raid, right? if i have a hardware raid controller, can i use it to improve performance? or should i use zfs' raiding?
[14:17:54] <flyingparchment> oenone: you will see better performance if your hw raid has an nvram cache
[14:18:08] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: thanks. I'll add it..
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[14:18:24] <flyingparchment> unless you're using a separate zil
[14:18:54] <asyd> \_o<
[14:18:59] <asyd> a drunked duck
[14:19:22] <flyingparchment> codestr0m: that url is a 404
[14:19:38] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: http://www.codestrom.com/wandering/2009/03/zfs-vs-btrfs-comparison.html I updated as first had typo
[14:20:45] <turtle> you should add a section that says "Actually Works?" "YES | Not really"
[14:20:55] <asyd> :)
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[14:21:11] <flyingparchment> codestr0m: if raidz2 is a "variant" of raid6, then raidz is a variant of raid5
[14:21:17] <codestr0m> turtle: this is already apples vs oranges and that's not realy being fair I think..
[14:21:20] <flyingparchment> codestr0m: raidz is not identical to raid5, it fixes a software raid5 issue called the write hole
[14:21:31] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: I'll add that note
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[14:22:14] <flyingparchment> codestr0m: you don't mention important performance features like separate zil and l2arc
[14:22:19] <oenone> flyingparchment: does hardware raid 5 have this issue, too?
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[14:22:30] <flyingparchment> oenone: not if you have nvram
[14:22:46] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: I'll add that and good point
[14:22:52] <flyingparchment> (which all hardware raid5 controllers i've ever seen do...)
[14:23:37] <codestr0m> oenone: hw raid can't really fix the write hole problem afaik
[14:23:58] <flyingparchment> well, it can fix it by rewriting all the data when the system recovers from the crash
[14:24:03] <gerryxiao> smc not in opensolaris 2008?
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[14:24:16] <oenone> would a BBU help, too?
[14:24:23] <flyingparchment> bbu and nvram are the same thing
[14:24:24] <mwest> the battery-backed nvram reduces the window for the write hole problem, it doesn't fix it entirely like ZFS' copy-on-write does
[14:24:30] <flyingparchment> the BBU makes the RAM non-volatile
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[14:25:28] <flyingparchment> codestr0m: other zfs features: good intergrated with VM (zones); delegated administration
[14:25:34] <oenone> i'm getting this new server.. it has six disks in it.. would it be safer to use zfs/raidz, or hardware raid5?
[14:25:50] <flyingparchment> oenone: always zfs.  it has checksumming as well
[14:25:51] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: I think that goes outside the scope of the fs a bit, but I agree
[14:25:56] <seanmcg> and clones, snapshots..
[14:26:04] <flyingparchment> seanmcg: i think btrfs has those
[14:26:10] <codestr0m> it does
[14:26:16] <flyingparchment> seanmcg: it's basically a lame zfs clone for linnex
[14:26:17] <seanmcg> clones ?
[14:26:39] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: also sounds interesting > http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Performance#POSIX_compliant_concurrent_writes
[14:26:39] <chowmeined> LVM has snapshots
[14:26:40] <oenone> does it support hot spare?
[14:26:47] <chowmeined> oenone, yes
[14:26:48] <flyingparchment> chowmeined: LVM snapshots are completely different from zfs snapshots
[14:26:56] <mwest> oenone: the one thing that's going to suck will be the whole "can't boot off RAIDZ" thing
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[14:27:28] <mwest> oenone: so you'll need a (mirrored) root pool, and then a seperate raidz pool for your data
[14:27:34] <oenone> mwest: i was thinking about installing the system itself on a separate drive and use the whole raidz for data
[14:27:44] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: I'd also mention direct io support
[14:27:45] <mwest> unless someone has a clever idea to work around it
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[14:28:15] <mwest> oenone: having the system on a CF drive or similar seems to be a popular workaround
[14:28:20] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: I think the plan to implement AIO if that's what you mean as something comparable?
[14:28:31] <oenone> mwest: that's what i thought of ;)
[14:28:32] <flyingparchment> codestr0m: zfs supports case-insensitive filesystems for Windows compatibility
[14:28:41] <codestr0m> mwest: I'm proposal a gsoc to add raidz boot support
[14:28:45] <flyingparchment> codestr0m: and can also enforce utf-8-only filenames
[14:28:52] <flyingparchment> (also useful for windows clients)
[14:28:56] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: thanks..
[14:29:05] <mwest> codestr0m: fantastic - it's one of the things that really irritates me about ZFS deployment atm
[14:29:18] <mwest> codestr0m: it looks like a non-trivial problem to fix though
[14:30:19] <flyingparchment> well, it should be a SMOP in grub
[14:30:28] <flyingparchment> once you have one disk and the pool name, you can scan other disks to find the rest of the pool
[14:30:42] <flyingparchment> one issue would be that some systems (X4500, X4540...) don't expose all disks in the system to the bios
[14:31:10] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: that's a good point and something I may need to know for the gsoc..
[14:31:19] <codestr0m> and we plan to implement in grub2 btw if that makes a difference
[14:31:35] <flyingparchment> only if grub has a driver for every ide/sas/scsi card around
[14:31:41] <flyingparchment> that's the only way to find the missing disks
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[14:32:10] <flyingparchment> a different solution would be to have a special filesystem that's mirrored instead of striped, but that's probably much harder
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[14:32:26] <flyingparchment> (OTOH, i would love to be able to do zfs create -o format=mirror some/fs ...)
[14:33:06] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: I'm not sure I understand the zfs create -o format=mirror some/fs
[14:33:26] <flyingparchment> per-filesystem raid level
[14:34:06] <codestr0m> and yes. grub will have to support every ide/sata.. etc card out there to have it work correctly I think.. or maybe I wasn't clear
[14:34:24] <flyingparchment> well that's a massive project, because it doesn't do that at the moment
[14:34:26] <codestr0m> it'll read the no disk metadata to determine the raidz(2) volume.. follow it and mount
[14:34:29] <flyingparchment> (unless grub2 has a very different design)
[14:34:40] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: can I nfs mount a btrfs yet? does it support quotas or reservations?
[14:34:55] <codestr0m> grub2 does have a massively different design, but I don't think I'm explaining something correct.. I can invite the dev here though
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[14:40:10] <phcoder> Hello guys
[14:40:22] <codestr0m> phcoder: Hi and thanks for coming
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[14:40:48] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: phcoder is the grub2 dev possibly going to implement raidz support.. maybe you can ask your question again about drivers..
[14:41:14] <phcoder> you're welcome.
[14:41:27] <seanmcg> the current grub has patches from sun that allows grub to know some zfs
[14:41:34] <seanmcg> (me thinks)
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[14:41:42] <codestr0m> (short version.. we have to see all drives we'll be booting from and it's been mentioned the x4500 doesn't expose all drives to grub. so we'll need more drivers)
[14:41:55] <codestr0m> seanmcg: yeah that's not the problem in this case
[14:41:57] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: extended attribute support might also be worth mentioning...
[14:43:05] <phcoder> grub2 already has ata drivers
[14:43:21] <flyingparchment> X4500 is marvell88sx SATA, X4540 is LSI mpt
[14:43:25] <flyingparchment> (sas)
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[14:44:54] <phcoder> idr exactly but probably ata driver can be already used with sata too. If not I doubt that too much modification is needed to support at least some modes
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[14:45:10] <flyingparchment> no, that controller doesn't have any kind of ide compatibility
[14:48:07] <phcoder> But as I understand logical protocol (ata) is essentially the same. Modifications in hw access code probably aren't huge but have to be done someone who has corresponding hardware. But you would better ask Christian Franke about ata
[14:49:14] <codestr0m> phcoder: ok. so we may be limited by drivers initially..
[14:50:16] <phcoder> Best way for developping zfs is actually with grub-emu because it allows much easier debugging and creation of test scenarios
[14:55:25] <phcoder> grub developers are interested in being independent from bios. So I think someone will code missing parts for ata (supposing there are some)
[14:55:57] <codestr0m> phcoder: could be another gsoc proposal
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[14:58:09] <phcoder> depends on how much work it is. It may be too trivial for soc
[14:59:03] <seanmcg> btw, there has been (I think) some discussion on grub2 with zfs within the zfs team
[14:59:14] <seanmcg> don't know any details I'm afraid.
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[15:06:06] <mib_h8q6ok> hi
[15:06:30] <mib_h8q6ok> seems i'm missing a package, when running zoneadm -z foo install i get this error:
[15:06:37] <mib_h8q6ok> sh: line 1: /usr/lib/lu/lucreatezone: not found
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[15:23:19] <coldsun> How can I see my osol host from Windows Vista???
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[15:24:42] <phcoder> colsun: easest way is by IP
[15:24:51] <phcoder> *coldsun
[15:25:14] <asyd> hmm I prefer the black magic way
[15:25:23] <coldsun> phcoder: tape it into IE?
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[15:25:58] <phcoder> for smb access write \\<ip>\
[15:26:13] <coldsun> phcoder: where?
[15:26:30] <phcoder> in the address bar when you open any folder
[15:26:37] <phcoder> in IE might also work
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[15:28:37] <CosmicDJ> smb access isn't enabled by default
[15:28:46] <coldsun> phcoder: it writes "Service "192.168.0.56" doesn't set for connection to this PC via port "Shared access to files and printers (SMB)"
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[15:30:25] <coldsun> I translated from Russian
[15:30:54] <CosmicDJ> well, you need to set it up before you can use it...
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[15:31:14] <phcoder> coldsun: give me the orriginal error message
[15:31:14] <coldsun> How can I do it?
[15:31:26] <coldsun> phcoder: in Russian?
[15:31:30] <phcoder> Yes
[15:31:33] <CosmicDJ> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/cifs-server/docs/
[15:33:34] <coldsun> phcoder: Служба "192.168.0.56" не настроена для подключения к этому компьютеру через порт "Общий доступ к файлам и принтерам (SMB)"
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[15:35:36] <seanmcg> coldsun, you need to enable smb (aka cifs) in opensolaris, see the docs CosmicDJ points to.
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[15:36:25] <CosmicDJ> you could also use samba, but cifs is tightly integrated with zfs and the way to go on *solaris :)
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[15:37:21] <CosmicDJ> IIRC Visa Ultimate is aalso shipped with an nfs client...
[15:37:30] <coldsun> Ok. Let me ask u in another way... Why my osol host see WinVista but WinVista doesn't see osol?
[15:37:51] <CosmicDJ> define "see"
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[15:39:21] <coldsun> WinVista PC is enabled from OpenSolaris
[15:39:47] <asyd> so, who wants comes to France in July talking about OpenSolaris at LSM? (check rmll.info)
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[15:40:16] <phcoder> Where in France?
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[15:40:34] <coldsun> But from Vista I don't see OSOL in Explorer->Local Network
[15:40:42] <codestr0m> asyd: you know I'd love to come, but I'm selfish about what I want to talk about
[15:40:54] <asyd> phcoder: Nantes
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[15:40:59] <asyd> codestr0m: SMF ?
[15:40:59] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: as I said, the smb service (aka cifs) isn't enabled by default
[15:41:17] <codestr0m> CosmicDJ: was that meant for me?
[15:41:27] <codestr0m> asyd: eh? nope.. you can pm me if you're curious
[15:41:27] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: no, sry
[15:41:41] <CosmicDJ> coldsun: as I said, the smb service (aka cifs) isn't enabled by default
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[15:41:48] <coldsun> CosmicDJ: isn't enabled in Vista?
[15:42:24] <CosmicDJ> coldsun: opensolaris isn't sharing any filesystem by default, that why you can't "see" anything in your explorer
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[15:45:05] <coldsun> CosmicDJ: ok thnx
[15:45:13] <coldsun> And one more question
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[15:45:36] <coldsun> Is any FUSE version for OSOL?
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[15:45:41] <seanmcg> yes
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[15:46:18] <coldsun> seanmcg: can u send it to me cause I couldn't compile version from official site due to errors
[15:48:14] <seanmcg> I can't cause I don't have it...  see: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/fuse
[15:48:26] <seanmcg> but it does exist
[15:48:28] <phcoder> asyd: where can  read about this opensolaris conference? Is the stay organised? How much does it cost?
[15:48:47] <codestr0m> phcoder:  rmll.info
[15:49:03] <asyd> phcoder: it's not decitated to opensolaris, but to opensource
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[15:49:16] <asyd> but I'm a part of the team who manage the security and system track
[15:49:28] <asyd> so I want to invite some people to discuss about opensolaris ;p
[15:50:13] <phcoder> f it's general to opensource then 'm nterested. But Nantes is quite far from me. If it was in Lyon it would be easier
[15:50:30] <asyd> where do you live?
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[15:50:48] <phcoder> Switzerland
[15:50:57] <asyd> ok
[15:51:07] <asyd> well, nantes is 2h far away from paris..
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[15:51:32] <phcoder> But it's 9h away from me
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[16:24:25] <Davey> Is there a command to figure out if/which package a file came from?
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[16:24:51] <asyd> Davey: pkgchk -l -p <file>
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[16:24:57] <asyd> or grep file /var/sadm/install/contents
[16:25:00] <Davey> thanks :)
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[16:25:06] <asyd> (hmm not sure that works on 200811 however)
[16:25:13] <zaarg> hey all, can someone help me decipher this:
[16:25:14] <Davey> I'm hitting a wonderful segfault in PHP thanks to mysql :)
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[16:25:18] <zaarg> tank                      2.00T   695G  28.8K  none
[16:25:18] <zaarg> tank/vms                     2T  1.93T   771G  -
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[16:25:29] <zaarg> is that the 'same' 2T?
[16:26:36] <trichobezoar> vms is a zfs on the zpool tank
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[16:26:43] <zaarg> yeah
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[16:27:13] <Davey> hrm... if something isn't part of a package, can it be part of the base install? or was put in by me somehow manually?
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[16:33:38] <gerryxiao> hello
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[16:33:55] <zaarg> why can't i mount tank/vms?
[16:34:07] <asyd> because it's already mounted/
[16:34:11] <zaarg> nope
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[16:34:52] <zaarg> cannot set property for 'tank/vms': 'mountpoint' does not apply to datasets of this type
[16:35:06] <asyd> how you create tank/vms?
[16:35:08] <monsted> is it a volume?
[16:35:10] <zaarg> okay, that property doesn't apply to volumes
[16:35:13] <zaarg> eugh, sorry
[16:35:25] <monsted> heheh
[16:35:38] <zaarg> zfs create -V 2TB tank/vms
[16:35:48] <zaarg> i didn't really know what i was doing at the time...and there's a lot of data on there now d'oh
[16:35:53] <oninoshik1> maybe "mountpoint" does not apply to datasets of the type that is "tank/vms"
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[16:38:48] <zaarg> the next question is how the hell do i access the data on a zvol then?
[16:40:13] <zaarg> it's exported and used as iscsi storage, but i'd like to be able to access it on the storage box too
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[16:46:32] <jsmith12> hi
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[16:48:10] <zaarg> bye
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[17:00:01] <awkfu> exit
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[17:03:48] <jbk> hey sstallion_work
[17:04:16] <sstallion_work> jbk: how goes it ?
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[17:04:42] <DTEIT> i have some problems trying to make available to some xvm guest some zfs disks
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[17:05:03] <DTEIT> it seems that the guest can see just a couple of disks
[17:05:10] <DTEIT> instead of 5
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[17:08:34] <jbk> alright
[17:08:56] <jbk> getting kinda annoyed with the dependency hell just to get any  of the config mgmt stuff working on solaris 10
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[17:10:32] <jbk> i don't to use cfengine because it's buggy and unstable
[17:10:52] <DTEIT> so anyone using xvm on sxce?
[17:10:59] <jbk> but trying to get ruby, facter, and puppet install in a way that's upwardly compatible to sxce/opensolaris is painful
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[17:11:12] <jbk> bcfg2 requires a few modules, which themselves require a few modules
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[17:12:40] <cambazz> hello. the package manager used to run nice, and now it runs kinda flaky
[17:13:05] <cambazz> it really works slow, searching is unstable
[17:13:10] <sergiusens> jbk: check out how they do it on blastwave, I'm using their packages as the puppet master
[17:13:51] <jbk> the problem is blastwave (or sunfreeware) end up pulling in a _lot_ of needed libraries
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[17:14:15] <jbk> these systems have a mirrored boot disk
[17:14:19] <holcomb> yeah
[17:14:22] <jbk> the rest is on NAS
[17:14:33] <jbk> i can't afford to waste GB of space on stuff that isn't needed
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[17:16:46] <jbk> and unfortunately, the way ruby was integrated into SXCE
[17:17:04] <jbk> it does not appear to support installing version-agnostic libraries
[17:17:22] <jbk> which means separate packages for s10 and sxce
[17:17:24] <jbk> uugh
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[17:31:23] <thommym> Anyone who can help a n00b to set a static IP in a zone on 2008.11 ???
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[17:35:11] <trichobezoar> just like you set a static ip on the global zone
[17:35:25] <trichobezoar> if it's an exclsive nic.  otherwise, set net ...
[17:35:28] <trichobezoar> or add net
[17:35:33] <trichobezoar> ah im useless
[17:35:55] <thommym> OK, any pointers to docs?
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[17:36:24] <seanmcg> docs.sun.com
[17:37:00] <thommym> Nah, that's to much to search in. I've been looking there for an hour already.
[17:37:51] <trichobezoar> man zonecfg, search for net and hit na couple times
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[17:38:58] <thommym> I have set a defrouter but it doesn't help
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[17:40:51] <thommym> root@puttez:~# netstat -rn
[17:40:53] <thommym> Routing Table: IPv4
[17:40:55] <thommym>   Destination           Gateway           Flags  Ref     Use     Interface
[17:40:58] <thommym> default              192.168.0.1          UG        1         27
[17:41:00] <thommym> default              192.168.0.1          UG        1          0 nge0
[17:41:02] <thommym> 192.168.0.0          192.168.0.93         U         1          0 nge0:1
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[17:41:03] <thommym> 224.0.0.0            192.168.0.93         U         1          0 nge0:1
[17:41:05] <thommym> 127.0.0.1            127.0.0.1            UH        1          0 lo0:1
[17:41:06] <thommym> root@puttez:~# traceroute www.hp.com
[17:41:08] <thommym> traceroute: unknown host www.hp.com
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[17:41:39] <seanmcg> hmm, three links in I find this doc: 'How To Configure the Zone' with an extensive example: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1592/z.conf.start-29?l=en&a=view
[17:41:40] <Stric> does /etc/resolv.conf contain anything useful?
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[17:42:29] <trichobezoar> and nsswitch.conf.  did you login to the console ?  zlogin -C ...  you have to configure with zlogin -C, or use sysidcfg
[17:42:32] <trichobezoar> before you can use the zone
[17:42:39] <thommym> Doesen't matter what I put in it.
[17:42:51] <thommym> nsswitch.conf == nsswitch.dns
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[17:43:27] <seanmcg> that routing table shows you have two 'nics' enabled, nge0 and nge0:1 - you want that ?
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[17:43:50] <thommym> nge0 is the global zone
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[17:51:28] <seanmcg> thommym, nge0 is a nic too, so to is nge0:1 (second 'interface' I presume given to the zone)
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[17:53:05] <tomww> thommym: does ping to a know good IP-address work? then you have more a name resolution problem to solve ...
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[18:24:34] <oninoshik1> ok, ive managed to get comstar to be a FC target, but for some reason my QLE4060 (QLogic iscsi HBA) cant see a target i made for it
[18:25:37] <oninoshik1> Ive been through the admin guide... anyone have any clues as to what might be up?
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[18:27:44] <thommym> ping 192.168.0.1 (my router inside) is OK
[18:28:40] <_Lewellyn> can you ping 4.2.2.1?
[18:29:06] <thommym> Yep, what's that?
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[18:29:21] <_Lewellyn> it's a big name-server operated by verizon
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[18:29:47] <_Lewellyn> but, as tomww said, you apparently have name service issues to resolve
[18:30:46] <_Lewellyn> because, i take it that ping google.com fails?
[18:31:15] <thommym> ~# ping google.com
[18:31:16] <thommym> ping: unknown host google.com
[18:31:27] <_Lewellyn> yup. that's name resolution
[18:31:52] <_Lewellyn> is this in the global zone?
[18:32:42] <thommym> No, local zone. So I've to put something in my /etc/resolv.conf I suppose. But what?
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[18:33:09] <_Lewellyn> cp /etc/resolv.conf /zones/zzone1/root/etc/resolv.conf
[18:33:20] <_Lewellyn> where /zones/zzone1 is the path to your zone
[18:33:34] <_Lewellyn> don't touch /root/etc/resolv.conf
[18:33:35] <thommym> I've tried the same as in global zone but no luck.
[18:33:47] <_Lewellyn> what's nsswitch.conf say?
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[18:34:07] <_Lewellyn> hosts: files dns
[18:34:15] <_Lewellyn> that should work for dns lookups
[18:34:17] <thommym> nsswitch.conf == nsswitch.dns
[18:34:44] <_Lewellyn> define "==" in this context
[18:35:02] <thommym> equals
[18:35:03] <_Lewellyn> the os doesn't look at nsswitch.dns
[18:35:42] <thommym> OK clear text I did cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[18:36:39] <_Lewellyn> mmk. since 4.2.2.2 is easy to type, add a line to /etc/inet/hosts for: 4.2.2.1 something.com
[18:36:47] <_Lewellyn> or 4.2.2.2. both ping :P
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[18:36:57] <_Lewellyn> then see if you can ping something.com
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[18:37:33] <_Lewellyn> if files doesn't work, you've got deeper issues.
[18:37:50] <thommym> Yes, suddenly I can. Don't know why. My global zone have worked all the time. Looks _very_ strange.
[18:38:00] <_Lewellyn> ok. so it's failing on dns
[18:38:02] <thommym> Anyway, much thanks for the help.
[18:38:05] <_Lewellyn> you can remove that line from hosts
[18:38:22] <_Lewellyn> you don't want to put the whole internet in your hosts file ;)
[18:38:54] <_Lewellyn> or are you saying you can ping google and such now?
[18:40:04] <_Lewellyn> and is this an lx zone or a solaris zone?
[18:41:16] <thommym> Just suddenly I can ping www.sun.com and others. this is from a solaris zone (ipkg brand)
[18:41:56] <_Lewellyn> well, it'd be helpful to know which step fixed it. but at least it works :D
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[18:46:15] <thommym> Must have been a glitch in my resolv.conf. I first edit it with vim and made it just like the global zone but then I just copied from global...
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[18:48:33] <thommym> Tack så mycket (Swedish for "Thank you very much") Now I'll have a glass of vine to celebrate. Cheers.
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[18:59:04] <CIA-40> Neil Perrin <Neil.Perrin at Sun dot COM>: 6462803 zfs snapshot -r failed because filesystem was busy
[18:59:42] <holcomb> yay!
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[19:27:26] *** alanc changes topic to "OpenSolaris Annual Meeting is on #opensolaris-meeting | SXCE 109, ON 109, IPS 108 || Step one: see if SAG answers your question: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16 || The answer to "I do $foo on *ux, how do I do it on Solaris" is http://bhami.com/rosetta.html || Clipboard: http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca"
[19:29:12] <alanc> yay - now I can stop getting complaints from SXCE users about all the Xorg bugs in 107 & 108, and instead get complaints about the new way I broke SXCE GUI installs in 109!
[19:29:22] <alanc> damn miniroot
[19:30:05] <holcomb> ignore them.  anyone not using jumpstart or pure console deserves to be shunned
[19:34:41] <tsoome> what jumpstart..... luupgrade...
[19:35:02] <trochej> :)
[19:35:15] * oninoshik1 hugs luupgrade
[19:35:34] * trochej looks at download speed
[19:35:44] <trochej> Time left: 1 day 23 hours
[19:35:45] <trochej> khm
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[19:41:28] <holcomb> 1 hours 25 mins
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[19:47:34] <holcomb> wow wget is much faster
[19:47:47] <oninoshik1> anyone using the comstar iscsi target with a qlogic iscsi hba?
[19:48:39] <holcomb> damnit i had to say something.
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[19:49:33] <_setuid_H> Evening guys
[19:50:24] <_dsw> evening
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[19:54:35] <cambazz> is there a way to change the latency of the scheduler in the solaris kernel
[19:54:56] <cambazz> obviously the scheduler is server like in opensolaris, but i am using it as a desktop
[19:55:06] <cambazz> so i need the scheduler to work more like real time
[19:55:50] <victori> cambazz: dispadmin
[19:55:54] <victori> whatever it is
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[19:59:00] <CIA-40> Surya Prakki <Surya.Prakki at Sun dot COM>: 6621869 Solaris hangs on TSC calibration while powering on under VMware ESX Server
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[20:13:41] <fkr> ahoi
[20:14:00] <Aizawa> Thinking about trying, although what does "registering" opensolaris mean? You pay money for it? I thought it was completely free and all that.
[20:14:11] <Aizawa> trying opensolaris* that is
[20:14:41] <trichobezoar> it means you tell sun "hey, i installed opensolaris, and here's some info about me"
[20:14:57] <trichobezoar> support costs, but it's free to use according to whatever sun's said
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[20:15:41] <oninoshik1> but professional support costs for every OS that im aware of
[20:15:47] <Aizawa> Oh. Well, support costs for all distros that have prof- yeah
[20:16:21] <Aizawa> Does OpenSolaris support a lot of wireless network cards out of the box?
[20:16:41] <trichobezoar> it supports mine...
[20:16:42] <oninoshik1> i know it supports the intel one in my thinkpad
[20:16:52] <Aizawa> 'Kay
[20:17:13] <oninoshik1> if you DL the disk, there should be a app on it to check driver support.
[20:17:26] <oninoshik1> or atleast there is on SXCE
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[20:18:15] <Aizawa> Oh, alrgiht
[20:18:16] <Aizawa> alright'
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[20:20:38] <kibibyte> hi ppl
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[20:51:09] <fkr> does anyone here have a contact at the people who maintain the fan-out opensolaris ftp servers?
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[20:58:53] <CIA-40> Peter Shoults <Peter.Shoults at Sun dot COM>: 6799884 pam_krb5 could allow authentication to an attacker's KDC
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[20:59:41] <trochej> Coffee
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[21:03:21] <codestr0m> fkr: what url are you referring to?
[21:03:26] <fkr> well
[21:03:32] <fkr> basically, we run an os mirror
[21:03:41] <fkr> and are listed on opensolaris.com
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[21:04:09] <fkr> and I wondered, why the preview of 2009.04 is not available for mirrorin
[21:04:10] <fkr> g
[21:04:33] <codestr0m> fkr: it's on genunix?
[21:04:52] <codestr0m> and genunix could 100% use a mirror since they throttle per connection afaik
[21:04:55] <Hedonista> has anyone gotten conky to compile on 2008.11 using the sources from the milax project?
[21:04:57] <holcomb> lust
[21:04:59] <holcomb> ;fkasjdf
[21:05:08] <holcomb> for those curious, the rest was supposed to be atus
[21:05:11] <fkr> codestr0m: perfect. thanks for the pointer.
[21:05:33] <cmihai> holcomb: uhuh :-)
[21:06:22] <codestr0m> fkr: the guy(s) in charge of some of this are around here sometimes, but I think kinda shy
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[21:08:35] <fkr> codestr0m:  Al Hopper <al at logical-approach dot com> ?
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[21:19:41] <enriqueojedalara> hi everybody
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[21:24:55] <enriqueojedalara> hi everybody
[21:26:28] <Hedonista> wassup enriqueojedalara
[21:26:41] <enriqueojedalara> I have a little question, I'm trying to install php on a solaris 10 server ... but I don't know how I have to compile the php (64 bits or 32 bits) ... there are any form to know the architecture of the machine? ... if it is in 64 or 32 bits ?
[21:28:18] <e^ipi> isainfo
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[21:31:19] <enriqueojedalara> e^ipi:  Is it:  isainfo -v -k  64-bit sparcv9 kernel modules ??
[21:31:23] <sstallion_work> enriqueojedalara: isainfo -v will give you a wee bit more detail if you need to know whether or not a certain feature is available
[21:31:33] <e^ipi> if it's sparc, it's 64 bit
[21:31:47] <e^ipi> there's no 32 bit sparc support
[21:32:20] <sstallion_work> e^ipi: 32-bit binaries are faster on sparcv9's - there is no *kernel* support for sparcv8
[21:32:30] <enriqueojedalara> ahh ok  e^ipi, thanks ...
[21:32:34] <e^ipi> yes, that's what i meant
[21:32:43] <e^ipi> enriqueojedalara: but you probably don't need to compile php
[21:32:47] <e^ipi> check out http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/
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[21:32:58] <e^ipi> it's got the whole SAMP stack
[21:33:13] <enriqueojedalara> yeah, because I need install php + informix + snmp + openssl + ...
[21:36:41] <sstallion_work> enriqueojedalara: if you need help with flags, I can give you a template to work with
[21:36:42] <sstallion_work> one sec
[21:36:58] <sstallion_work> http://arf.ubound.org/php-info/
[21:37:04] <sstallion_work> thats scratch-built on a Solaris 10 host
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[21:37:12] <sstallion_work> might give you a good starting point
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[21:38:51] <enriqueojedalara> sstallion_work: I would thank for that
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[21:41:46] <enriqueojedalara> thank u sstallion_work...I'm checking tht php info
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[21:50:52] <sstallion_work> enriqueojedalara: no problem. good luck.
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[21:58:57] <CIA-40> Robert Harris <Robert.Harris at Sun dot COM>: 6785504 bootadm(1M) doesn't stop waiting for rpc/meta
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[22:03:47] <nickv> Hey all i have an smf problem..i have a service i made smf aware, its crashed it appears and i cannot svcadm disable <application>
[22:03:56] <nickv> cant restart it, disable, refresh, mark and maint anything
[22:04:02] <nickv> any ideas what to do other then reboot?
[22:04:12] <nickv> running the app manually and tryin to disable it didn;t work either
[22:04:19] <nickv> nothing in logs either
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[22:11:00] <pjfloyd> at last ! figured out why page up was no longer working in xterms
[22:11:55] <pjfloyd> The bindings have been removed from /usr/openwin/lib/app-defaults/XTerm
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[22:12:26] <brannigm> is it possible to force traffic coming in a particular interface back out that same interface?  in other words, ignore the default route...
[22:12:38] <pjfloyd> nw for the next challenge ...
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[22:13:42] <pjfloyd> My PC has no sound card, and this seems to be causing problems
[22:13:50] <trichobezoar> ...
[22:13:54] <fkr> does anyone have dns problems with snv 108
[22:14:04] <pjfloyd> fkr: no
[22:14:26] <pjfloyd> fkr: in any case, I ended reverting to sxce 106
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[22:19:51] <pjfloyd> The last line ine  /var/log/Xorg.0.log is Error in setting project: No such process
[22:19:52] <pjfloyd>  (can't find much on google for that)
[22:20:54] <pjfloyd> plus a few (EE) lines : Unable to locate/open config file; Cannot find empty range to map base to [seems to be MGA BIOS related]
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[22:21:56] <SimonAdameit> hi
[22:23:54] <SimonAdameit> I want to split some big tar file (and stitch it together again) but when I look at the file size, the resulting file is smaller than the original file! Im not sure if this is normal or if some data would be lost!
[22:24:49] <SimonAdameit> I used 'split' to split and 'cat' to put together again and 'du' to measure file size
[22:25:05] <fkr> aaallall  cron[1485]: [ID 600580 user.error] passwdutil.so: nameservice switch entry for passwd not found.
[22:25:12] <fkr> oops
[22:25:22] <fkr> s/aaallall//
[22:25:40] <oninoshik1> SimonAdameit: are you on zfs with compression enabled?
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[22:26:34] <SimonAdameit> oninoshik1: Im on zfs, I dont know about compression, how would I check that?
[22:26:37] <pjfloyd> SimonAdameit: and the split/cat were done on a local filesystem, or was there some other copy involved?
[22:26:51] <SimonAdameit> on a local file system
[22:27:08] <SimonAdameit> I did it to test, before doing the real transition
[22:27:22] <oninoshik1> zfs get comprression
[22:28:25] <oninoshik1> anyway, du actually reports spaced used on disk, so for disks with compression it will report as less then the reported size of the file, IIRC
[22:29:43] <oninoshik1> if you want to really know if anything changed use an md5sum (that what it's for)
[22:30:12] <xRaich[o]2x> uh nice on109 is out. looking forward to the ips release ^^
[22:30:17] <SimonAdameit> compression seems to be off
[22:30:32] <SimonAdameit> oninoshik1: thanks, I'll try that
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[22:35:14] <SimonAdameit> Hey, using md5sum shows that nathing actually changed, this gives me some confidence, thanks! :)
[22:35:35] <oninoshik1> that should give you almost complete confidence
[22:36:08] <phcoder> Unless someone specifically generated a collision
[22:36:42] <oninoshik1> phcoder: he COULD have accendently hit one... but the odds are... statisticly insignificant
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[22:39:25] <phcoder> Comparable with the odds of this message appearing accidently from white noise
[22:40:17] <oninoshik1> i beleave you are trying to say "statisticly insignificant" :p
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[22:40:48] <phcoder> Yes just making some comparisons for fun
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[22:42:50] <_Lewellyn> where's my complete works of shakespeare, monkeys!? ;)
[22:44:27] <oninoshik1> actually, monkeys are not a good random source... they favor the 's' key (on a us-qwerty layout)
[22:44:28] <phcoder> "It was previously thought that if you put enough monkeys on typewriters they will write new pieces of art. With the advent of internet it was disproven"
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[22:44:37] <alanc> _Lewellyn: in the google caches, along with the infinite number of other pages the monkeys have typed out in the last decade
[22:45:36] <_Lewellyn> so once i upgrade to 109, they'll be installed in /opt/monkeys/share? :)
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[22:52:31] <SimonAdameit> blessings, and gn8
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[22:54:52] <Hedonista> can anyone point me to a fourm or post of how to get dvds to play under opensolaris 2008.11? also why if i added blastwave.org to the package manager repository list does it install those packages in /opt/csw/bin and not system wide?
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[22:56:00] <Hedonista> i own over 300 dvd's so i dont want to hear that noise about not being allowed to play dvds
[22:56:15] <Hedonista> and dont give me a rtfm response either
[22:57:10] <_Lewellyn> rtfm is the proper answer. that or install sxce, if you don't like to rtfm.
[22:57:42] <Hedonista> i love to read the manual i just want a point in the right direction is all
[22:57:51] <Hedonista> the fine manual is large and im old
[22:58:16] <Hedonista> plus im coming from linux and it seems everything is different
[22:59:18] <trichobezoar> os wont throw everything in /usr/.bin/
[22:59:22] <e^ipi> you're being a little hostile, no?
[22:59:41] <e^ipi> dvd's are encrypted
[22:59:53] <trichobezoar> for example, apache2.2 stuff is /etc/apache2/2.2/(conf, original, etc) /var/apache2/2.2/logs, and so on
[22:59:56] <e^ipi> decrypting requires a license
[23:00:03] <Hedonista> no e^ipi im tired and frustrated because i came in earlier asking questions and got no responses
[23:00:06] <e^ipi> or violating US law
[23:00:22] <e^ipi> sun isn't prepared to violate the law, and doesn't have a license.
[23:00:49] <oninoshik1> decrypting them with an unauthorized decrypting device would be a violation of the DMCA... even telling you how is a violation
[23:01:09] <trichobezoar> I guess MS has a license then huh?
[23:01:15] <e^ipi> correct
[23:01:18] <Hedonista> jeezus christ i swear
[23:01:18] <oninoshik1> then again i have a shirt with the DeCSS code on it... so im already toast
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[23:01:24] <The-spiki> trichobezoar: it does actually :)
[23:01:32] <Hedonista> you guys are worse than the Gentoo ppl
[23:01:54] <oninoshik1> Hedonista: you might look in the encumbered stuff for Spec-Files-Extra
[23:02:11] <The-spiki> (btw, i'm not representative of OpenSolaris)
[23:02:15] <trichobezoar> We didnt insult you for not using stickers
[23:02:31] <oninoshik1> not useing stickers?
[23:02:38] <trichobezoar> R-type and V-tech
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[23:03:04] <oninoshik1> 0.0 -.- 0.0
[23:03:47] <_Lewellyn> Hedonista: you're also *expecting* random members of the community to be at your beck and call. that's unlikely to get you what you want.
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[23:04:03] <_Lewellyn> rule of thumb is to sit back and chill. :)
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[23:04:20] <sactodave1> Can anyone say when build 109 will hit IPS?
[23:04:44] <_Lewellyn> sure, your question may not be answered right away, but if someone around knows the answer, chances are you'll get it.
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[23:05:09] <e^ipi> or you could read the documentation...
[23:05:12] <_Lewellyn> like, i'm still wondering things about branded zones that remain unanswered and i can't find docs for what i want.
[23:05:13] <Hedonista> there is just lots and lots of information out there folks and i am an old man with bad eyes i am just asking someone to point me to a place where i can find what i am looking for . i dont expect someone to give me the commands i need.
[23:05:16] <e^ipi> which is actually faster than IRC
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[23:05:21] <oninoshik1> I normally would help, but im an SXCE person anyway
[23:05:24] <e^ipi> Hedonista: docs.sun.com
[23:05:31] <_Lewellyn> oninoshik1: there's that, too.
[23:05:34] <e^ipi> sactodave1: it's a manual process
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[23:05:49] <e^ipi> sactodave1: so... "whenever someone manually transfers it over" *shrug*
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[23:05:51] <pjfloyd> does SSE2 imply Pentium 4?
[23:05:59] <_Lewellyn> i probably should luupgrade to 109 in an hour or two
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[23:06:22] <Hedonista> e^ipi, be more specific about where i can find repository information or why if i have two repositories why is the second repo installing to /opt/csw/ ?
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[23:06:49] <_Lewellyn> Hedonista: because the blastwave stuff installs to /opt/csw so as to not conflict with system binaries
[23:07:10] <pjfloyd> I think I've found out why my desktop isn't very happy
[23:07:12] <cmihai> pjfloyd: no could be Opteron or whatever too
[23:07:24] <_Lewellyn> at least their "old" packages didn't rely upon system binaries and they installed everything whether you had it already or not
[23:07:25] <cmihai> Why don't you check out isainfo -v && psrinfo -v ?
[23:07:32] <_Lewellyn> i don't know if their ips stuff does that too
[23:07:39] <pjfloyd> (running on an old Pentium 3)
[23:08:17] <oninoshik1> We tend to like to have our binaries install things to places based on who is providing it so if i have 3 versions of 'tar' which all work differnet people used to each version will just set that to the begenning of their PATH and everyone can be happy
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[23:08:31] <_Lewellyn> Hedonista: if you're looking for an opensolaris you can "just use", you probably want sxce + sfe
[23:08:43] <pjfloyd> When  GNOME starts up, at some point it tries to execute gnome-sound-properties
[23:08:57] * oninoshik1 +1's _Lewellyn
[23:08:57] <krn1p4n1c> question on inetd, specifically tftpd. I want to bind one session with one tftp path to the first ip and another with a different path to the second (aliased/plumbed) ip. i should be able to just change inetd.conf and the manifest file to match then run inetconv or am I missing a step?
[23:09:18] <e^ipi> Hedonista: the package will install wherever it's made to install.
[23:10:05] <\amethyst> Hedonista:  this guy http://lifewithsolaris.jp/  used to provide packages to view DVDs, but took them down when lawyers sent him a warning
[23:10:23] <\amethyst> Hedonista:  so the legal stuff isn't a purely academic exercise
[23:10:53] <trichobezoar> It would be nice if the players were modular enough so that you could have a package that had the decrypter source code, automatically compile, and then load up to your system
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[23:11:14] <oninoshik1> anyone remember when we had somthing called "fair use?"
[23:11:17] <e^ipi> trichobezoar: which still wouldn't skirt around the legalities
[23:12:06] <oninoshik1> thems was the days *sighs nastagicly*
[23:12:09] <trichobezoar> Well then it would be useful
[23:12:12] <trichobezoar> err , useless
[23:12:32] <pjfloyd> and gnome-sound-properties looks like it's trying to dlopen /use/lib/libvisual-0.4/morph/morph_tentacle.so, which is compiled for Pentium 4
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[23:19:39] <krn1p4n1c> nevermind. i figured it out
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[23:23:24] <krn1p4n1c> ok. not quite. inetadm -l svc:/network/tftp2/udp:default shows the right path and the correct bind_addr, but is still loading the tftpd bound to the first ip
[23:27:33] <_Lewellyn> oh bah! my sxce iso download failed. wtf.
[23:27:38] <_Lewellyn> i shoulda used SDM :(
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[23:29:40] <sactodave1> e^ipi: <sigh>  Why does SXCE get so much better responce time to updates?
[23:30:23] <trichobezoar> 5 days is that much?
[23:30:24] <e^ipi> because packages are delivered to releng for building in to SXCE. once they are done, the packages are taken from SXCE and turned in to IPS packages
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[23:31:00] <oninoshik1> translation: we dont have to deal with IPS
[23:31:40] <e^ipi> when IPS puts back, the build process will probably generate IPS packages
[23:31:47] <e^ipi> and then it'll be automagic
[23:33:03] <alanc> right - once the various consolidation builds generate IPS packages, and the IPS team doesn't have to manually update their SVR4->IPS conversion data for each build, then IPS repo updates should come faster (and SXCE should go away, since we won't convert IPS packages back to SVR4 ones to build the SXCE images)
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[23:33:53] <oninoshik1> ahh yes, and then your going to try and force me back to a god-awful repository
[23:36:04] <stevel> anyone know of a way to get more detail out of ludelete other than "Unable to unmount file systems for boot environment" ?
[23:36:32] <alanc> because it's so horrible to just download the packages you need instead of a a 4gb DVD ISO?
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[23:36:45] <_Lewellyn> oninoshik1: yeah. i'm not sold on ips either... :(
[23:37:05] <_Lewellyn> alanc: could you just release the svr4 packages every 2 weeks? ;)
[23:37:11] * _Lewellyn hides
[23:37:28] <alanc> _Lewellyn: not once we convert the builds to build IPS packages instead
[23:37:40] <_Lewellyn> i meant instead of DVDs ;)
[23:38:04] <alanc> though someone could maintain a forked gate that kept the SVR4 builds around for the luddite crowd
[23:38:13] <oninoshik1> because ever major repo has had maintainer issues.
[23:38:58] <oninoshik1> and somehow, I get screwed on every one -_-
[23:39:04] <alanc> _Lewellyn: not easily - there's all sorts of legal issues and download site setup issues we'd have to deal with, and since the IPS team already has done that, why duplicate the work?
[23:39:18] <_Lewellyn> alanc: i know. that's why i hid :D
[23:39:38] <pjfloyd> alanc: I expect that the luddites will write some sort of IPS to pkg conversion tool
[23:39:59] <_Lewellyn> oninoshik1: i suspect that the existing svr4 maintainers are just going to start generating ips
[23:40:10] <_Lewellyn> pjfloyd: i think there is one already ;)
[23:40:13] <oninoshik1> although... i guess the debian "lets brake the RNG for certs" missed me
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[23:41:32] <oninoshik1> _Lewellyn: i think you missed my complaint, which is that i can't trust that the repo will not change versions without me knowing. i can trust that the DVD on my desk wont.
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[23:43:11] <oninoshik1> additionally the "must follow stallman to the point of disabling features" attitude from the indiana people is just insane
[23:43:53] <_Lewellyn> i know little about indiana right now. but i'm going to be sad if it doesn't "feel" like solaris :P
[23:43:56] <trichobezoar> what features?
[23:44:19] <oninoshik1> ACLs
[23:44:34] <trichobezoar> bah, you can just eitehr change your path or type /usr/bin/chmod
[23:44:48] <trichobezoar> and that's going to be fixed soon, by importing those features into solaris' tools (iirc)
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[23:46:02] <trichobezoar> _Lewellyn: from my viewpoint, OS = solaris+pkg+better desktop integration
[23:46:20] <_Lewellyn> i'm also not sold on pkg yet :P
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[23:47:24] <_Lewellyn> i plan on installing 2008.11 soon to see what i think about it tho
[23:48:43] <oninoshik1> my opinion of online repositories can be summed up with "once burned, twice shy"
[23:48:50] <_Lewellyn> likewise
[23:49:27] <_Lewellyn> will the solaris releases based on osol come with all packages on disc?
[23:49:58] <trichobezoar> however it comes, it wont be perfect
[23:50:01] <trichobezoar> and its not perfect now
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[23:50:54] <_Lewellyn> at least, at the moment, i can deploy the same exact set of packages (down to the sub-version) on multiple machines
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[23:51:01] <_Lewellyn> i'd hate to lose that reproducability
[23:51:06] <oninoshik1> percefection is not what i ask, i ask for predectability
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[23:55:10] <_Lewellyn> dude. lynx is failing to download 109 since it writes to /tmp for the tempfile. :(
[23:55:24] <_Lewellyn> i really don't want to deal with opera or firefox at the moment :(
[23:55:46] <trichobezoar> rtfm?  I ran into that one, and I was able to get aroudn it
[23:56:02] * _Lewellyn tries to figure out how to run SDM by hand
[23:57:02] <_Lewellyn> i've never directly run a jnlp file :P
[23:57:13] <_Lewellyn> let's see if gnome can deal with it if i double-click it! :D
[23:57:21] <trichobezoar> javaws file.jnp
[23:57:38] <_Lewellyn> ah. javaws. never manually invoked that before
[23:57:57] <_Lewellyn> there we go. thanks :D
[23:58:13] <_Lewellyn> i prefer sdm over lynx for large-ish files, anyhow
[23:58:34] <_Lewellyn> oh hey. nevermind. it didn't get my file :P
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[23:59:25] <_Lewellyn> oh. it lagged. i've never seen sdm do that.
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