March 5, 2009 
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March 5, 2009 [00:00:28] *** MrDusty has quit IRC[00:01:01] *** axisys has quit IRC[00:01:20] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: not to my knowledge. however, at the time, microsoft stated they were going to look at the effects over time and that it would not be changing before RTM as they wouldn't get enough valid data to gauge performance impact[00:01:23] *** ericjray has quit IRC[00:01:43] <_Lewellyn> and SP1 changed enough other stuff that it didn't surprise me that it didn't go away[00:02:09] <_Lewellyn> the logic makes sense. 20 years ago.[00:02:30] <_Lewellyn> it's more of an example of how NAT breaks the internet than how an OS does[00:03:23] <ggbbgg> so I have a collection of internal drives, is it possible to install opensolaris onto a raidz2 pool comprised of these?[00:04:07] <jamesd_> any vxvm gurus about? how do i move a disk from one disk group to another, possibly using vxedit?[00:04:42] *** authentic has quit IRC[00:04:48] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[00:04:54] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: reading the last comment on the page indicates that windows 7 reverts the behavior[00:05:16] <jmcp> ggbbgg: you can't *boot* from raidz/raidz2[00:05:17] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: so, according to what my gut's said on the matter since SP1, it should be fixed in vista sp2 :)[00:06:02] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[00:07:13] *** gaveen_ has joined #opensolaris[00:08:49] *** gaveen has quit IRC[00:09:20] *** markcarl has joined #opensolaris[00:11:19] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[00:12:20] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[00:12:39] *** kimo^^ has joined #opensolaris[00:12:58] *** stevel has quit IRC[00:13:07] *** stevel_ is now known as stevel[00:13:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[00:14:29] *** Teo` has quit IRC[00:14:48] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[00:17:04] *** MrCerulean has left #opensolaris[00:17:15] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[00:18:58] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris[00:18:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig[00:19:02] *** tsoome has quit IRC[00:19:34] <nrubsig> ...[00:20:10] *** gigasoft has quit IRC[00:20:29] <bda> ?[00:21:19] *** gigasoft has joined #opensolaris[00:22:21] *** nrubsig sets mode: -b shircbot*!*@*[00:22:26] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[00:23:16] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[00:24:19] *** Tusk21 has quit IRC[00:25:53] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[00:25:55] <_Lewellyn> anyone here right now who's very knowledgeable about brandz?[00:27:46] *** warrenstrange_ has joined #opensolaris[00:28:03] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[00:29:25] <lukehasnoname> With AHCI enabled, and with other drives besides the root drive plugged in, my computer flips shit and doesn't boot[00:29:33] <lukehasnoname> at first I was getting just "PCI Parity Error"[00:29:40] <sickness> hi nrubsig :)[00:29:49] <nrubsig> sickness: Hi![00:30:14] <e^ipi> i'm not sure that there's anyone at all that's very knowledgable about brandz[00:31:06] <lukehasnoname> http://i42.tinypic.com/33k7k7q.jpg[00:31:15] <lukehasnoname> That's what my screen looked like when I tried to boot[00:31:44] <e^ipi> my guess is it's a grub problem[00:32:09] <jmcp> lukehasnoname: if you got a PCI parity error, then I'd be thinking that you've got a much deeper problem than grub[00:32:32] <lukehasnoname> jmcp: It's something to do with the SATA controller using AHCI[00:32:40] <lukehasnoname> this didn't happen before it was enabled[00:32:49] <lukehasnoname> but I would like to have hotplugging capability[00:32:51] *** vmlemon_ has left #opensolaris[00:34:41] <jmcp> lukehasnoname: which sata controller? motherboard or plugin card?[00:35:00] <lukehasnoname> motherboard[00:35:09] <jmcp> which mobo?[00:36:03] <lukehasnoname> GA-MA78G-DS3HP[00:36:08] *** warrenstrange has quit IRC[00:36:53] *** markcarl has quit IRC[00:37:57] *** CosmicDJ has quit IRC[00:46:15] *** tamr has quit IRC[00:47:06] *** ahmed-tux has joined #opensolaris[00:47:19] <ahmed-tux> hi[00:47:33] <ahmed-tux> does cddl licence > gpl and bsd licence ?[00:47:36] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: that's my fear :( i'm interested in seeing how to add support for a not-yet-supported linux distro to the lx brand[00:47:48] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: for some people, yes.[00:47:49] <[JT]> Is there a way to expose ZFS snapshots over NFS or CIFS?[00:49:17] <jmcp> lukehasnoname: latest bios?[00:50:04] <nachox> [JT], i believe snapshots are exposed to windows as shadow copies through cifs... or will be :P[00:50:27] <trichobezoar> they are[00:50:32] <trichobezoar> there's some blog about it[00:50:41] <[JT]> Okay - I'll look that up. Thanks.[00:50:59] <lukehasnoname> jmcp: I checked GB's website, the only BIOS update they had was a CPU ID update.[00:51:00] <nachox> i dont remember whether i read that in arc-discuss or an actual putback notice[00:51:13] *** stevel has quit IRC[00:51:28] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[00:51:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[00:51:34] <jmcp> lukehasnoname: I would expect to see a PCI Parity Error caused by a plugin card rather than the motherboard[00:53:55] <Stric> [JT]: zfs snapshots can show up automatically if you're using nfsv4[00:55:34] <nachox> really? that's cool[00:55:58] <sponix2ipfw> Is there Smart Card Support in OpenSolaris os2008.11 and if so, what package is it in ?[00:56:08] <Stric> they're just sub-filesystems..[00:56:19] <Stric> you can mount them with nfsv3 clients too if you want[00:56:30] <sponix2ipfw> Using an SCR331 and it is telling me it isn't detected.[00:57:04] <lukehasnoname> jmcp: I unplugged both NICs in the PCI slots[00:57:05] <lukehasnoname> still got it[00:57:16] <lukehasnoname> when I unplug all but the root drive, I get a successful boot[00:58:49] <lukehasnoname> I installed Osol with only the root drive plugged in. I then hotplugged the two other drives, cfgadm'ed them in. I then rebooted. An AHCI screen comes up before GRUB loads, and shows the three AHCI devices seen by the system, my root drive being the last on the list. I then get either a PCI Parity error or that goofy GRUB printing that I posted.[00:59:13] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[00:59:28] <jmcp> lukehasnoname: that really is weird[00:59:37] <[JT]> That is awesome. Installed the Shadow Copy Client on XP and immediately can access previous versions over CIFS. Very cool.[00:59:52] <jmcp> does the problem follow the disk drives if you move them?[01:00:04] <[JT]> Stric, I'll have to look at that - I think I'm using NFSv3 right now... that's probably the problem.[01:00:11] <_Lewellyn> sponix2ipfw: sec. you need a newer driver. i have it bookmarked[01:00:26] <CIA-40> Anders Persson <Anders.Persson at Sun dot COM>: 6812512 namespace collision for sockfs kstats[01:00:34] <Stric> [JT]: you can manually mount server:/foo/blah/.zfs/snapshotname /mnt if you need to[01:00:43] <sponix2ipfw> _Lewellyn: sweet[01:00:53] <[JT]> Stric: Nice. Thanks for the tip.[01:01:25] <_Lewellyn> sponix2ipfw: it's said that the fix made it in post-109. so we can hope it's going to be in 110[01:02:20] <sponix2ipfw> _Lewellyn: I don't want to wait that long.. I'd like to work _now_ :)[01:02:36] <_Lewellyn> wait for firefox to load, please :P[01:03:04] *** joanie has quit IRC[01:03:11] <[JT]> Stric: On the OpenSolaris box, how come I can't just "cd" to ".zfs"? It looks like the only way I can get to the snapshots is through the filemanager interface.[01:03:18] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[01:03:39] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:03:59] <Stric> [JT]: it's hidden, but should be able to cd into it[01:04:10] <Stric> you can't: cd .zf<tab>[01:04:30] <Stric> to avoid various programs go bezerk[01:05:36] <[JT]> Odd. Doesn't seem to be accessible from the CLI - even from a root shell.[01:05:39] <trichobezoar> the default value for 'snapdir' is hidden. you can still cd to it. you can change it to visible[01:05:57] <[JT]> Nevermind[01:05:59] <[JT]> I'm a dork.[01:06:09] <[JT]> Only accessible from the root of the fs.[01:06:14] <Stric> yeah[01:08:02] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[01:09:13] *** gm152_ has joined #opensolaris[01:10:47] <_Lewellyn> dude. wtf. firefox is slow and sucky :([01:10:57] <nicoatsun> you absolutely can cd .zfs[01:11:05] <nicoatsun> at the root of any ZFS dataset[01:11:09] <_Lewellyn> also, opensolaris.org appears to be down again[01:11:12] <nicoatsun> just did it myself[01:11:22] <_Lewellyn> nicoatsun: good argument for "lotsa datasets" :)[01:12:20] <nicoatsun> you could have a .zfs in every directory, but for the fact that POSIX doesn't allow the OS to have special names like .zfs except in the root of any filesystem[01:12:40] <nicoatsun> having every directory be a dataset creates enormous problems[01:12:50] <nicoatsun> so it's not worth it[01:12:52] <_Lewellyn> not every directory, but the "key" ones :)[01:12:59] <nicoatsun> oh yes, that I agree[01:13:06] <nicoatsun> I have lots of workspaces, each a dataset[01:13:23] <nicoatsun> helps lots[01:14:04] *** nicoatsun has left #opensolaris[01:14:46] <_Lewellyn> sponix2ipfw: http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2008/12/sdcard-fixes.html i can't verify the link in the post right now. let me know if you can't download it.[01:17:55] *** webmink has quit IRC[01:18:03] *** fftb has quit IRC[01:18:12] <Andys^> jesus[01:18:19] <Andys^> ZFS removed two disks from my RAIDZ2 overnight[01:18:27] <Andys^> time to rush to the datacentre[01:18:38] <_Lewellyn> removed?[01:18:43] <trichobezoar> maybe somebody was yodeling too close[01:19:01] <_Lewellyn> like it physically ejected em from the machine? :D[01:19:17] * _Lewellyn bets they were ejected at the aforementioned yodeler[01:20:00] <sponix> _Lewellyn: That is SD cards... I'm looking at Smart Card Auth Support (CAC)[01:20:23] <_Lewellyn> sponix: i coulda sworn i read "sd card" :([01:20:42] <_Lewellyn> i'm sorry :([01:20:59] <_Lewellyn> i only have smart cards. no readers. so i dunno about support :)[01:22:07] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[01:22:47] <nachox> sponix, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5182/intro.smartadmin-34?a=view[01:23:11] <lukehasnoname> Opensolaris' packaging drives me nuts[01:23:18] <Andys^> _Lewellyn: Removed is what it calls it when it no longer is using the devices[01:23:26] <ahmed-tux> e^ipi: hello how are you ?[01:24:13] <lukehasnoname> the names suck, I feel like the search function is very limited (only searches for exact matches, searches for more than just installable packages) and I can't figure out if webconsole is running, if I have it installed, or how to configure it[01:24:14] *** tamr has quit IRC[01:24:19] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: aww. i was hoping for something more fun! :)[01:24:31] *** gheet has quit IRC[01:24:48] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: you liked the "old" package management better?[01:25:18] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[01:25:26] <lukehasnoname> I like apt-get better[01:25:33] <nachox> lukehasnoname, webconsole was deprecated a while ago, i dont think it was ever part of opensolaris[01:25:52] <nachox> well, EOLed actually[01:27:28] <sponix2ipfw> nachox:[01:27:38] *** ryshask_ has joined #opensolaris[01:27:41] <nachox> ?[01:27:55] <sponix2ipfw> nachox: That is a good start, seems geared to Solaris 8,9,10 on Sparc .. But at least it is something ;)[01:28:03] <ryshask_> hrmm.[01:28:30] <_Lewellyn> lose the tail :)[01:28:32] <ryshask_> zatelnet pro is slow, but d0es perfect vt100.[01:28:39] *** clyons has joined #opensolaris[01:28:45] <_Lewellyn> ryshask_: even under screen, with irssi?[01:28:48] <ryshask_> ;?[01:29:06] <ryshask_> hrm.. need to test that next[01:29:10] *** ryshask_ has quit IRC[01:29:20] <_Lewellyn> that's as far as i can get before the trial dies :)[01:30:01] *** ryshask_ has joined #opensolaris[01:30:07] <_Lewellyn> <_Lewellyn> that's as far as i can get before the trial dies :)[01:30:25] <ryshask_> :([01:30:33] *** cypromis has quit IRC[01:30:43] <ryshask_> horrible[01:31:18] <_Lewellyn> so it sucks for you, too?[01:32:01] <ryshask_> another try[01:32:03] *** ryshask_ has quit IRC[01:32:45] *** ryshask_ has joined #opensolaris[01:33:04] <ryshask_> doesn't pace the cursor correctly...[01:33:37] <_Lewellyn> i had issues with scrolling in irssi, under screen[01:35:08] <ryshask_> I think 'll not use screen and walk to the apple store[01:35:20] <ryshask_> wait a sec...[01:35:26] <nachox> sponix2ipfw, why do you think it's sparc only?[01:35:29] <ryshask_> almost worked eh[01:35:35] *** tosh has quit IRC[01:37:28] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris[01:37:36] *** ryshask_ has quit IRC[01:38:11] *** kimo^^ has quit IRC[01:38:24] <sponix2ipfw> nachox: from what I read later on it isn't SPARC only, but that webpage says so under the requirements ;) http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5182/6mbbgt2t0?a=view[01:39:00] <sponix2ipfw> Either way, I'm finding some of the bits I need in the opensolaris-contrib repos[01:41:00] *** ry-tpro has joined #opensolaris[01:41:53] <ry-tpro> it's as if zatelnet is bogged down via the ssh encryption.[01:41:58] *** jsoft has joined #opensolaris[01:42:02] <ry-tpro> via?... BY[01:42:22] <ry-tpro> with screen it's perfect[01:42:23] *** proberts_ has joined #opensolaris[01:42:34] <e^ipi> lukehasnoname: there's a "rename the packages" project going on right now[01:42:43] <e^ipi> so chill, and you'll get better names whenever that's done[01:42:52] <lukehasnoname> e^ipi: awesome[01:43:10] <e^ipi> jbk: around?[01:43:38] <lukehasnoname> also, if I search for "apac", will pkg look for packages only named or containing the complete string "apac", or will it hit apache, for example?[01:43:58] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[01:44:06] <jbk> yeah[01:44:11] <_Lewellyn> apache contains the string apac[01:44:19] <_Lewellyn> please rephrase[01:44:32] <lukehasnoname> eh[01:44:37] <lukehasnoname> hm[01:44:38] <lukehasnoname> like,[01:44:40] <jbk> but only for a few minutes[01:44:54] <lukehasnoname> _Lewellyn: Will it hit apache?[01:44:57] *** rab has joined #opensolaris[01:44:57] <lukehasnoname> Just that first[01:45:09] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris[01:45:19] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: i dunno... ksh93: pkg: not found [No such file or directory][01:45:24] <rab> anyone know why a fresh install of osol 2008.11 won't boot?[01:45:26] <rab> SunOS Release 5.11 Version snv_101b 64-bit[01:45:26] <rab> Copyright 1983-2008 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved.[01:45:26] <rab> Use is subject to license terms.[01:45:26] <rab> Mar 4 16:43:29 svc.startd[7]: Could not initialize state for svc:/system/boot-archive:default: Not owner.[01:45:26] <rab> Mar 4 16:43:29 svc.startd[7]: Could not commit state change for svc:/system/boot-archive:default to repository: Not owner.[01:45:29] <rab> Mar 4 16:43:29 svc.startd[7]: Could not initialize state for svc:/system/filesystem/root:default: Not owner.[01:45:32] <rab> Mar 4 16:43:29 svc.startd[7]: Could not commit state change for svc:/system/filesystem/root:default to repository: Not owner.[01:45:36] *** rab was kicked by e^ipi (e^ipi)[01:45:39] <_Lewellyn> i'm on sxce. but i wanted to make sure you asked a question that is answerable[01:45:40] <lukehasnoname> ha[01:45:45] *** e-jat has quit IRC[01:45:46] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: thanks :)[01:46:06] <e^ipi> flooding is annoying in the chan[01:46:10] <lukehasnoname> _Lewellyn: I wanted to know if it only looked for exact phrases or did pattern matching?[01:46:37] <_Lewellyn> i wouldn't know. i don't have pkg or its man pages :)[01:47:53] *** rab has joined #opensolaris[01:48:02] <lukehasnoname> rab don't flood, pastebin[01:48:12] <rab> 8 lines is a flood?[01:48:16] <xRaich[o]2x> yes[01:48:17] <jmcp> rab: can be, yeah[01:48:24] <lukehasnoname> by most standards, more than 3-5 is[01:48:29] <bda> 12 lines at 80x42...[01:48:44] <e^ipi> rab: sorry 'bout that[01:48:46] <rab> ok, sorry...[01:49:09] <e^ipi> i'm pretty quick on it just because 8 lines becomes 50 lines a lot of the time[01:50:11] <rab> ignore my question, btw. fixed it[01:50:14] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[01:50:28] <bda> rab: What was it?[01:50:44] <rab> i had forgotten that i'd mucked with /etc/user_attr, trying to allow root to log in directly.[01:51:19] <_Lewellyn> never touch user_attr :P[01:51:21] *** yarihm has quit IRC[01:51:26] *** ericjray has quit IRC[01:51:33] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: that's not true[01:51:40] <ry-tpro> blarg[01:51:42] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: as a rule, it is :D[01:52:10] *** shircbot has joined #opensolaris[01:52:19] <e^ipi> no, just read the docs about it[01:52:41] <ry-tpro> so, I have an intel x25-e in my backpack... won't work with the sun interposer I bought :([01:53:00] <_Lewellyn> it seems that often, people just do what google says. and too often, that means breaking user_attr :P[01:53:12] <ry-tpro> going to test at home to ensure the frive works at all.[01:53:29] <TomJ> _Lewellyn: the same could be said of any configuration file[01:53:30] <_Lewellyn> someone in here yesterday posted a link that involved modifying user_attr to run a normal app as a normal user :P[01:53:50] <ry-tpro> I'm also going to make the mistake of looking at the ew macbooks[01:53:51] *** warrenstrange has joined #opensolaris[01:54:02] <ry-tpro> heh new.[01:54:02] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro: and you're going to be buying me one? ;)[01:54:11] <ry-tpro> no.[01:54:14] <xRaich[o]2x> ry-tpro: don't do it[01:54:14] <_Lewellyn> bah[01:54:21] <ry-tpro> if anything efix[01:54:57] <ry-tpro> to hod me over for later rev solaris.[01:55:07] <ry-tpro> ferrari just drove by.[01:55:33] <ry-tpro> I love los gatos. I can live vicariously through others expense!![01:55:40] *** clyons has quit IRC[01:55:42] *** rab has left #opensolaris[01:56:14] <ry-tpro> lew, how does standbye work for you?[01:56:16] <_Lewellyn> i hate los gatos. it feels like something out of a horror novel[01:56:26] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro: broken with i915 on 107 and 108, at least.[01:56:33] <_Lewellyn> worked great on 106[01:56:52] <_Lewellyn> it was indicated by alanc that there's stuff in 109 that may fix it again.[01:56:57] <ry-tpro> hmm guess that's why I like it here :0[01:57:14] <ry-tpro> cool[01:57:26] <ry-tpro> hear[01:57:43] <ry-tpro> god this keyboard takes some getting used to[01:57:52] *** cwebber has quit IRC[01:57:54] <ry-tpro> miss my blackberry.[01:58:16] <jmcp> ry-tpro: withdrawal symptoms?[01:58:26] <ry-tpro> yeah[01:58:48] *** proberts has quit IRC[01:58:48] <_Lewellyn> i'm still getting used to my keyboard. i haven't decided what length thumbnails make it easiest :P[01:58:50] <CIA-40> Dan Price <dp at eng dot sun.com>: 6813144 6805730 broke smf_kill_contract()[01:58:59] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[01:59:16] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[01:59:17] *** proberts_ has quit IRC[01:59:37] <ry-tpro> I should have held out for the android phone.[02:00:08] <_Lewellyn> i think i made the right choice for myself, personally.[02:00:22] <_Lewellyn> i don't WANT my phone to be infinitely hackable :P[02:00:38] <ry-tpro> e71?[02:00:44] <_Lewellyn> e71 what?[02:00:56] <ry-tpro> can't remember whbat you got.[02:01:13] <ry-tpro> time to go home.[02:01:19] <_Lewellyn> Samsung ACE SPH-i325[02:01:24] <_Lewellyn> someone needs to die for that name[02:01:25] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: Nokia E71[02:01:43] *** warrenstrange_ has quit IRC[02:01:58] <_Lewellyn> oh. i haven't really used a nokia since the 51x0[02:02:19] <_Lewellyn> oh untrue. i had a 3360 at one point.[02:07:28] <ry-tpro> heh[02:07:38] <ry-tpro> irc == my twitte[02:07:40] <ry-tpro> r[02:09:11] *** gray-- has quit IRC[02:10:36] <ewdafa> anyone got any experiences with the creative x-fi oss driver?[02:11:26] *** anilg2 has quit IRC[02:12:45] <ewdafa> hmm. never mind that. doesn't sound awfully promising at this moment in time[02:12:53] *** warrenstrange has quit IRC[02:14:16] <_Lewellyn> the x-fi doesn't sound like the sort of thing that'd be well-supported yet[02:19:23] *** ahmed-tux has quit IRC[02:21:54] *** scoffin has quit IRC[02:22:24] *** Herr_cane has quit IRC[02:23:02] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[02:26:39] <WhiteRabbit_> http://www.howtostuff.co.nz/how-to-computer-stuff/how-to-build-a-highly-available-file-server-using-opensolaris-iscsi-zfs-and-storagetek-avs/[02:27:46] <bda> ..cron servers?[02:28:25] <WhiteRabbit_> yeah[02:28:31] <WhiteRabbit_> servers that run cron jobs[02:28:51] <bda> Yes, I got that far on my own.[02:28:52] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[02:28:57] <WhiteRabbit_> when our customers request a cron job[02:29:03] <WhiteRabbit_> they are loaded on the cron servers[02:29:17] <bda> Odd.[02:29:23] <WhiteRabbit_> when you have 100,000 hosted customers wanting cron[02:29:40] <WhiteRabbit_> for their web sites, it pays to move it to a dedicated cron server[02:29:52] <bda> Not sure what OS10 is either.[02:30:03] *** ranks_ has joined #opensolaris[02:30:06] <bda> And OpenSolaris is targeted at desktop usage, so.[02:30:12] <ry-tpro> persistant ssh whikle driving? priceless.[02:30:13] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[02:30:14] <bda> Anyway, quibbles.[02:30:34] <WhiteRabbit_> <bda> And OpenSolaris is targeted at desktop usage, so. <<<< wha ?[02:30:41] *** devians has quit IRC[02:30:44] <bda> OpenSolaris is targeted at desktop use.[02:30:46] <WhiteRabbit_> OS10 = OpenSolaris 10[02:30:55] <bda> OpenSolaris 10 is not something that exists.[02:30:56] <WhiteRabbit_> bda, what makes you say that ?[02:31:17] <bda> There is Solaris, OpenSolaris 2008.05, OpenSolaris 2008.11, and Solaris Express Community Edition (SXCE).[02:31:41] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[02:31:48] <bda> (Solaris 10, rather)[02:31:55] <bda> (Solaris and OpenSolaris are not the same thing)[02:32:00] <ewdafa> i love how that article is surrounded by "ideas for your pita bread" and "how to make butterscotch cake"[02:32:10] <bda> ewdafa: Sysadmins get hungry too.[02:32:19] <e^ipi> ewdafa: you don't like cake?[02:32:26] <bda> Maybe ewdafa likes pie.[02:32:31] <ewdafa> i love cake. and also pies.[02:33:18] <WhiteRabbit_> bda, i am still supprised you say opensolaris is aimed at desktops[02:33:20] *** nachox has quit IRC[02:33:26] <bda> WhiteRabbit_: Ok. But it is.[02:33:47] <WhiteRabbit_> says who/what ?[02:33:55] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[02:34:34] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[02:34:53] *** doug_outout is now known as doug_out[02:34:53] <e^ipi> WhiteRabbit_: says the entire marketing strategy behind it?[02:34:56] <jamesd_> opensolaris is aimed at the linux crowd.. solaris is the end all of server OSes, and SXCE gives you the cutting edge[02:35:18] <jmcp> .... which will all change when IPS gets integrated into ON (later this year assuming things happen on time)[02:35:31] <bda> ruh roh raggy.[02:35:49] <comay> bda, although the initial focus of opensolaris is on desktops, it's starting to expand that scope with the addition of things like AI[02:36:28] <ewdafa> that's a lot of acronyms[02:36:46] <bda> comay: Aye, and I'll be interested to see that.[02:36:49] <bda> ewdafa: Welcome to UNIX.[02:36:56] <jamesd_> ewdafa: its what makes Sun and any it company tick.. is the number of acronyms they use and creat daily.[02:37:08] <WhiteRabbit_> why would one want things like AVS ona desktop ?[02:37:40] <ranks_> I've been a solaris admin since 91 and I love it for a server OS. Been using opensolaris for about 3 months on my laptop. It still has along way to go. I think they can do it, but they need to focus on getting more apps in the repository if they really want to grow the user base.[02:37:41] <bda> Just because that's the initial target does not mean that's all it can be used for.[02:37:52] <jamesd_> WhiteRabbit_: you want ZFS, dtrace, smf and dladm, on the desktop .. and a package manger[02:37:54] <bda> But you complained that it starts GUI by default. Did you miss how there's no text installer?[02:38:09] <e^ipi> ranks_: check out the contrib/ repo[02:38:13] <bda> The reason it's GUI by default on both ends is because... it's targeted at developer desktop usage.[02:38:18] <e^ipi> also check out pending/ but don't use it because it's mostly broken[02:38:39] *** prav33n has quit IRC[02:38:46] <WhiteRabbit_> bda, okay but a simple - checkbox boot to text would be nice ;-)[02:38:48] <ranks_> e^ipi: I have. Its a great start, and I am using it, but still alot of apps needed to bring in the masses.[02:39:01] <e^ipi> ranks_: so contribute them :)[02:39:09] <e^ipi> write a spec file, send it to sw-porters-discuss at opensolaris dot org[02:39:14] *** TBFOOL has quit IRC[02:39:17] <bda> ranks_: See Also: SFE, Blastwave, pkgsrc for your immediate needs.[02:39:19] <alain10> what is the most favorite shell for opensolaris or solaris ?[02:39:23] <e^ipi> ksh93[02:39:36] <jmcp> alain10: whichever shell you feel comfortable using[02:40:02] <alain10> opensolaris comes with bash by default[02:40:43] <e^ipi> alain10: it comes with plenty of shells by default[02:41:53] <_Lewellyn> ksh93++[02:43:55] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[02:44:23] * ry-tpro installs opensolaris on x25-e... to bad this laptop only has 1.5 sata[02:44:47] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[02:45:24] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[02:47:07] <ry-tpro> hrmmm, freezing up at dev detection... i think this drive may be bad.[02:48:33] <trichobezoar> Dont come to that conclusion so fast[02:49:12] <ry-tpro> heh[02:49:42] *** eviljames has quit IRC[02:49:54] <ry-tpro> well, this is the 3rd device I've tried it in... and oensolaris installs fine on this laptop[02:50:18] *** eviljames has joined #opensolaris[02:51:01] <trichobezoar> hmm interesting[02:51:05] <trichobezoar> that's different[02:51:45] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[02:51:58] <jsoft> how do I completely disable the pc speaker via software in opensolaris?[02:51:59] <WhiteRabbit_> Timing couldn't have been better. Sun had already recommitted to supporting Solaris on the x86 architecture and AMD had publicly announced plans to build a compatible 64 bit processor now commonly referred to as x64. Intel would eventually follow suit with its own x64 designs. Even better, AMD engineers had non-disclosed to Sun on their now shipping plans to release multi-core x64 CPUs enabling low cost commodity servers of up to 16 p[02:51:59] <WhiteRabbit_> rocessor cores to be built.[02:52:04] <WhiteRabbit_> http://blogs.sun.com/marchamilton/entry/opensolaris_launch[02:52:18] <WhiteRabbit_> says to me that it is aimed at the server market ;-)[02:52:36] <e^ipi> wow, you're really emotionally committed to that[02:52:39] <bda> Yeah.[02:52:40] <bda> And wrong.[02:52:43] <jmcp> geez[02:52:58] <trichobezoar> What is he xsaying? OpenSolaris is Solaris 11?[02:53:02] <e^ipi> the rest of us stopped caring 20 mins ago[02:53:31] <bda> Are we going to trudge up the last two years of annoying crap?[02:53:36] <jmcp> e^ipi: more than that[02:53:39] <bda> Project IANdiana anyone?[02:53:48] * bda fires himself into the sun.[02:54:18] <palowoda> You have to be carefull around here. CNN monitors this irc channel and reports on it regular.[02:55:28] <jsoft> What should I download[02:55:32] * Gman never knew why it wasn't Project IndIANa[02:55:41] <jsoft> Im thinking I should download something.[02:55:56] <WhiteRabbit_> download the entire internet[02:55:59] *** yippi has quit IRC[02:56:17] <jsoft> And store it into my tardis hdd[02:56:30] <eviljames> mirror the internet archive.[02:56:42] <WhiteRabbit_> or just buy it[02:56:42] <WhiteRabbit_> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781565920637/[02:57:01] <WhiteRabbit_> i have that book on my shelf and laugh often when i read the spine[02:57:54] *** TBCOOL has joined #opensolaris[02:58:00] <jsoft> :)[02:59:05] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[02:59:32] <ry-tpro> it's dead Jim[03:00:02] *** ken1 has quit IRC[03:02:02] <palowoda> By Ed Krol, January 1900, Pages: 574[03:04:07] <_Lewellyn> The Next Generation is a funnier book[03:04:17] <held> i particularly like the sticker "Includes Mosaic and the World Wide Web" 8)[03:04:47] <_Lewellyn> held: in the early 90s, that was a big deal![03:05:11] <held> of course, and then you probably could really include the www in the book ;)[03:05:43] <ry-tpro> got it working...[03:05:46] <ry-tpro> dizzam[03:05:59] <ry-tpro> 105 MB to disk[03:06:22] <_Lewellyn> The Next Generation was from 99. there are some now-amusing things in it :)[03:06:29] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro: got what working?[03:06:48] <ry-tpro> makes a noise kind of like intel speed step cpus[03:06:53] <ry-tpro> yeah.[03:07:15] <ry-tpro> wasn't plugged in all the way perhaps? dunno..[03:07:23] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro: if whatever it is doesn't sound like my laptop's cpu fan, it's good. ;)[03:08:29] <ry-tpro> heh[03:08:36] <WhiteRabbit_> http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/03/04/power-on-self-test-d-4.html < hotness[03:08:55] <ry-tpro> weird seeing laptop harddisk light flicker with no sound[03:09:03] *** bubbva has quit IRC[03:09:16] <ry-tpro> time to install opensolarid on it...[03:10:09] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro: i never hear my hard disk :)[03:10:16] <_Lewellyn> that's the way a laptop should be[03:11:17] <ry-tpro> 150 mb/s sustained... but the high pitched noise is making me nausious.[03:11:34] <ry-tpro> damned my good hearing.[03:12:00] <e^ipi> listen to metal[03:12:26] <ry-tpro> heh[03:12:35] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[03:12:39] <devians> 150mb/s :( im still trying to figure out why my zfs system only runs at 30mb/s[03:13:26] <ry-tpro> oh sorry that was 150mb WRITE...[03:13:40] *** JWheeler_ has quit IRC[03:13:48] <ry-tpro> on normal harddisk it's pegged at 30 for me too[03:13:49] *** tamr has quit IRC[03:13:54] <devians> yeah i was talking write also :/[03:14:25] <ry-tpro> yup[03:14:42] <devians> i really need to stick some more ram in the box. its running on 1gb atm[03:14:49] <ry-tpro> so I'm curious what I get on this drive on the same hardware.[03:14:51] <homeboy> how did you test the write speed?[03:14:56] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris[03:15:01] <devians> my biggest concern though is trying to figure out whats wrong with the python/dbm implementation.[03:15:31] <devians> homeboy, transferring over gigabit network (when i first started copying it was 80mb/s)[03:16:14] <ry-tpro> well, it *is* python.[03:16:20] <homeboy> hummm well how can you get 150MB/s over gigabit network :)[03:17:09] <ry-tpro> I think this solid state drive makes more noise than a harddisk... high pitched squeel.[03:17:14] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro: you playing with some uber-ssd or something?[03:17:24] <ry-tpro> x25-e[03:17:28] <devians> homeboy, not expecting 150 but it used to get 80. having that back would be nice.[03:17:35] <_Lewellyn> heh. more money than sense ;)[03:17:52] <ry-tpro> yeah solaris barfs on it, linux works :/[03:18:00] <e^ipi> "works"[03:18:06] *** samc_ has joined #opensolaris[03:18:07] <WhiteRabbit_> use is your zfs cache disk[03:18:08] <ry-tpro> works, for project[03:18:10] *** Kitty_ has joined #opensolaris[03:18:32] <ry-tpro> making sure it works at all, was having issues with it.[03:18:41] <WhiteRabbit_> oh[03:18:56] <ry-tpro> opensolaris hangs when it's in the system :/[03:18:57] <devians> ry-tpro, flexget just fails on opensolaris box's, and noone can figure out why :( its messed up.[03:18:57] *** bnitz has quit IRC[03:19:05] <WhiteRabbit_> we are going to get some SSD's as cache disks for our zfs fs's[03:19:24] <ry-tpro> WhiteRabbit_ yeah..[03:20:04] *** Kitty has quit IRC[03:21:00] <ry-tpro> strange...[03:21:14] *** \amethyst has quit IRC[03:21:21] *** \amethyst has joined #opensolaris[03:21:36] <ry-tpro> let's see how good ol' xp gets on[03:22:56] <ranks_> Is there anyway to dumb down zfs and use it just as a volume manager ? Our Hitachi has 64G cache and luns already have consistency. Don't need those features on the san, but want them for os and zone roots.[03:23:02] <ry-tpro> blah, that's a bummer[03:23:08] <jmcp> ranks_: no, there isn't[03:23:43] <jmcp> ranks_: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide has info you will find useful[03:23:51] <ranks_> jmcp: thx[03:24:15] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[03:24:21] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[03:24:45] *** comay has quit IRC[03:27:08] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[03:27:32] *** nrubsig has quit IRC[03:28:13] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[03:33:17] *** anilg2 has joined #opensolaris[03:34:13] *** ranks_ has left #opensolaris[03:34:34] *** felipe_ has quit IRC[03:35:49] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[03:36:13] *** fr4g2 has joined #opensolaris[03:36:35] *** fr4g2 has quit IRC[03:36:53] *** fr4gy has joined #opensolaris[03:37:26] <sponix2ipfw> I wonder how many years it will take for VirtuaBox on Solaris to have the same functions as it does on Linux ;)[03:38:06] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[03:38:30] <_Lewellyn> i keep asking #vbox :)[03:38:43] <_Lewellyn> just usb support. that's what we need most :P[03:38:50] <chowmeined> I can't seem to get ssh port forwarding working, i changed it to allow in sshd_config and restarted ssh but it still says administratively prohibited[03:39:24] *** stevel has quit IRC[03:42:59] <chowmeined> hm, its not even listening on 5900, can i have a regular vnc service instead of this web based java applet nonsense?[03:43:03] <jamesd_> what ports are you trying to use[03:43:50] <chowmeined> i want to tunnel vnc over ssh[03:43:50] *** rennj has quit IRC[03:43:56] *** ahmed-tux has joined #opensolaris[03:44:01] <ahmed-tux> hi[03:44:28] <ahmed-tux> is it possible tu mount freebsd partion on openslaris ?[03:44:34] <ahmed-tux> to*[03:44:50] *** anilg has quit IRC[03:44:52] <jamesd_> via nfs or smb/samba/cifs of course..[03:45:16] <ahmed-tux> jamesd_: and if i had it in my hdd[03:45:59] <jamesd_> possibly.. i think they are both based on ufs, bbut i would google first[03:46:21] <ahmed-tux> jamesd_: i did and i find that http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/798/solaris-mount-filesystem-with-ufs-logging-enabled/[03:47:25] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: you should be able to mount UFS with some minor effort, but probably not UFS2[03:47:36] <jamesd_> seems like you allready found the answer[03:47:41] <ahmed-tux> jamesd_: and it doesn't work, i type prtpart for kknow my partiton's fs[03:47:47] <_Lewellyn> solaris and freebsd both use UFS, but they've been developed independently over some years[03:48:32] <ahmed-tux> jamesd_: but i had permison denied when i type the 1st command[03:48:36] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: ahh[03:49:00] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: /dev/dsk/c5d1p2 BSD/386,386BSD,NetBSD,FreeBSD[03:49:22] <_Lewellyn> mmk. that's useless to me[03:49:34] *** bgupta has left #opensolaris[03:49:35] <_Lewellyn> so it says you use a bsd ufs. we knew that[03:51:08] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: and it's imposible[03:51:13] *** samc has quit IRC[03:51:19] <_Lewellyn> why is it impossible?[03:51:34] <_Lewellyn> the endianness is different, sure. and they use fields differently[03:51:38] <_Lewellyn> but it should be mountable[03:51:44] *** anilg1 has quit IRC[03:53:14] <_Lewellyn> ok. some quick research says that it should be mountable, with 2 caveats[03:53:21] <_Lewellyn> 1) it must have been cleanly unmounted[03:53:30] <_Lewellyn> 2) it cannot be UFS2 (must be UFS)[03:53:48] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: ok thank you i'll try[03:54:25] <_Lewellyn> if either of those conditions fail, you'll not be able to mount the disk, from what i can tell[03:54:42] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[03:54:49] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: i just mount extfs in my solaris so what's the fstab in solaris is it mnttab ??[03:54:50] <_Lewellyn> and fsck may make it mountable but there may be permissions lost and it may not be mountable easily on freebsd again[03:55:07] <_Lewellyn> can you rephrase? i did not parse that[03:55:56] *** piwi has quit IRC[03:56:29] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: i mount ext fs in mysolaris , and i want to add it in /etc/fstab , but i don't know where[03:56:42] *** syamajal_ has joined #opensolaris[03:57:19] <_Lewellyn> there is no /etc/fstab in solaris. use /etc/vfstab[03:57:24] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[03:57:45] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: i type cat /etc/mnttab and i see my partitions mouted[03:58:05] <e^ipi> rather than using 'mount' ?[03:58:06] <_Lewellyn> yes. that file is maintained by the os. don't edit it :P[03:58:14] *** e-jat has quit IRC[03:58:15] <\amethyst> ahmed-tux: mnttab is the equivalent of Linux's /etc/mtab or /proc/mounts[03:58:19] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: don't disagree this time :D[03:58:33] <ahmed-tux> \amethyst: ahh i see[03:58:42] <e^ipi> what shouldn't i disagree with?[03:58:49] <CIA-40> Bill Holler <Bill.Holler at Sun dot COM>: 6807891 system does not consider C3 when ACPI _CST object did not contain a C2 state, 6811996 acpi_cpu_cstate() in idle thread context is trying to print a message on offlined/quiesced CPU, 6812706 lint warning for hpet_stop_main_counter return value always ignored[03:59:09] <_Lewellyn> i recall you disagreeing when i said to not edit user_attr earlier :)[03:59:23] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: ok thank you for your help[03:59:35] <_Lewellyn> oh. that ACPI one should be interesting.[03:59:38] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: that's because you're supposed to edit user_attr[03:59:43] <ahmed-tux> \amethyst: ty too[03:59:46] <e^ipi> it's a config file[03:59:53] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: but only if you know what you're doing ;)[04:00:11] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: good luck. report back on whether you get it mounted[04:00:12] <e^ipi> if you don't know what you're doing you shouldn't have the priveledges you need to edit it anyways[04:00:18] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: i'd mount readonly to be safe[04:00:50] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: as opensolaris encroaches upon linux's territory, there will be more clueless people. don't worry :D[04:01:38] <e^ipi> and that's why we have documentation[04:02:13] *** yarihm has quit IRC[04:02:35] <ahmed-tux> good now[04:02:46] *** Herr_cane has joined #opensolaris[04:03:34] <ahmed-tux> i need time fr understanding that solaris again it's diferent then freebsd too[04:03:45] *** paulson has joined #opensolaris[04:04:11] <sponix2ipfw> _Lewellyn: I just migrated a XP session over to a Linux Laptop for that USB Support (for my Card Reader to work). Only thing I forgot so far is to reinstall the vbox guest additions :P[04:04:44] <paulson> Hello, I am Brent Paulson and an OpenSolaris Core Contributor. My OpenSolaris ID is paulson[04:04:50] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: there's similarities, and differences :)[04:05:17] <_Lewellyn> sponix2ipfw: so you can't use the reader in opensolaris, after all?[04:05:29] <paulson> Oops, I think I meant to join #opensolaris-meeting[04:05:35] <_Lewellyn> yes, you did :)[04:06:09] <paulson> Its a bit late here so thats my excuse this time.[04:06:14] <_Lewellyn> hee[04:06:57] <ahmed-tux> the last build of openisolaris is 101[04:07:35] <sponix2ipfw> _Lewellyn: nope, no USB support in VirtualBox on OpenSolaris, and I haven't seen software support for it yet either. I did find one hacked up 3rd party driver that _might_ work, but haven't had time to attempt a build yet[04:07:44] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: 108[04:07:59] <ahmed-tux> damned i have 5.11 snv_101b i86pc i386 i86pc[04:08:11] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: 2008.11 :)[04:08:18] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: yes[04:08:20] <_Lewellyn> someone here can help you get the latest[04:08:26] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: i think you mean 2009[04:08:39] <_Lewellyn> sponix2ipfw: i'm going to see if i can run vbox under an lx brand later ;)[04:08:39] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: yes i know[04:08:47] <_Lewellyn> ahmed-tux: 2008, not 2009. :)[04:09:10] <_Lewellyn> 2009.11 is in the future ;)[04:10:44] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: i did pkg refresh;pkg image-update[04:10:52] <_Lewellyn> using dev?[04:11:09] * _Lewellyn runs sxce and doesn't know the details of pkg[04:11:35] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: okok tomm inchalah i'll try i feel sleepy[04:11:50] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: thank you anyway[04:12:06] <_Lewellyn> i try. i don't always succeed :D[04:12:18] *** tarbo_ has joined #opensolaris[04:12:32] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: what did you try ?[04:12:40] *** felipe_ has joined #opensolaris[04:12:45] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[04:12:48] <_Lewellyn> to help :)[04:13:04] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: you help me enaugh[04:13:09] <_Lewellyn> whee! :D[04:13:19] *** syamajala has quit IRC[04:13:37] <ahmed-tux> _Lewellyn: i don't want ask much i'll go to search and work[04:14:58] *** tarbo has quit IRC[04:18:51] *** anilg2 is now known as anilg[04:23:00] *** arpunk has quit IRC[04:27:32] <codestr0m> would lx64 brands be a good gsoc. .anyone interested in them?[04:28:24] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: personally, i'd be more interested in fuller support for the existing lx brands[04:28:35] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: ok. what's missing?[04:28:49] <_Lewellyn> well, apparently, the latest supported distro is centos 3.x[04:28:59] <chowmeined> it seems like theres not much thats happened with zfs in the past 2 years[04:29:00] <_Lewellyn> more recent distro support would be nice[04:29:10] <chowmeined> all the screen casts and google videos are from 2006[04:29:17] <codestr0m> chowmeined: you're kidding?[04:29:27] <chowmeined> codestr0m, i dunno i cant find anything[04:29:28] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: most of the new features are hard to demo[04:29:35] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, ah ok[04:29:43] <codestr0m> it's mostly that they do it slow and incremental.. and anyway.. it's pretty good from the start.. not sure what you expect[04:29:47] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[04:29:59] <codestr0m> and most of all sun is an engineering company.. not a marketing drone[04:30:10] <codestr0m> if they knew how to market they'd be a lot better off[04:30:10] <_Lewellyn> just like ntfs, the user doesn't need to know about filesystem changes :)[04:30:16] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: agreed :([04:30:49] <_Lewellyn> (ntfs chosen because its upgrade path is about as equally transparent to the average person as zfs's)[04:31:14] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: they don't update ntfs with new features :P[04:31:26] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: sure they do :)[04:31:29] <codestr0m> anyway. look at the zfs version history to see what they added since the first drop[04:31:59] <_Lewellyn> transactions are newish in ntfs[04:32:09] <_Lewellyn> as well as soft links (as opposed to junctions or hard links)[04:32:18] *** gnut has quit IRC[04:32:47] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: does xp get this?[04:32:48] *** spydez has joined #opensolaris[04:32:52] <chowmeined> well[04:32:57] <chowmeined> sun does have a lot of marketing stuff[04:32:57] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: no. xp uses an older version of ntfs.[04:33:08] <chowmeined> they sit down and have chats with the engineers on a talkshow like thing[04:33:15] <chowmeined> very strange, but oh well[04:33:18] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: right. that's not really an upgrade.. and I think more lusers are still on xp[04:33:36] <_Lewellyn> just like solaris 10 doesn't have opensolaris's zfs changes[04:33:49] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: sure it gets them[04:33:52] <codestr0m> who are you kidding[04:34:02] <_Lewellyn> i recall that U6 has zfs version 3[04:34:11] <_Lewellyn> will get != has[04:34:28] *** Roums has joined #Opensolaris[04:34:30] <_Lewellyn> but your argument was that ntfs doesn't add features in new versions[04:34:31] <codestr0m> can't be.. U6 == 3?[04:34:39] <_Lewellyn> i think so[04:34:51] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: ok I stand corrected, but adding softlinks != raidz[04:35:12] <_Lewellyn> maybe not, but transactions are pretty damn nifty :D[04:35:14] <spydez> Question re: zfs root: Is it solid enough for a home fileserver? And do I have to download SXCE to be able to install to a zfs root?[04:35:54] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: transactions as it the thing won't corrupt itself now?[04:35:58] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: and there was an incremental NTFS update in vista sp1[04:36:04] <_Lewellyn> transactions as in atomic writes[04:36:13] <Andys^> spydez: yes it is solid. and no, solaris 2008.11 CD works well.[04:36:13] <_Lewellyn> so "all of this data or none of this data"[04:36:14] <chowmeined> spydez, i have a zfs mirrored root on opensolaris 2008.11[04:36:14] <codestr0m> spydez: opensolaris will give it to you and zfs root is rock solid for me..[04:36:29] <Andys^> zfs root also supports mirrored[04:36:31] <Andys^> heh[04:36:31] <chowmeined> i just wish zfs root didnt have the limits[04:36:40] <_Lewellyn> and using DFS, you can run the same transaction across multiple computers[04:36:41] <chowmeined> like, if i could have 1 pool for everything[04:36:48] <_Lewellyn> erm DTC[04:37:11] <_Lewellyn> so an admin can push a button and know that systems won't be in an in-between state.[04:37:11] <Andys^> i have a testament to ZFS today: we have a box of 16 disks, 4 backplanes with 4 disks each. configured as 2xRAIDZ2 (8 disks each). anyway, one of the back planes lost power - knocking out 4 disks, and ZFS didn't miss a beat![04:37:23] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: sweet[04:37:33] <_Lewellyn> is that why it threw disks at the yodeler? :)[04:37:44] <Andys^> yep[04:37:54] <Andys^> i went in and jiggled the backplane power cabling and it fixed it ;)[04:37:57] <_Lewellyn> heh[04:38:11] <lukehasnoname> jmcp: HOLY CRAP ON A STICK[04:38:16] <spydez> Thanks Andys^, chowmeined and codestr0m. Google gave conflicting info. :/[04:38:18] <jmcp> lukehasnoname: what happened?[04:38:19] <Andys^> i was just lucky that i'd laid it out that way... so that it lost 2 disks from each RAIDZ2 vdev[04:38:30] <codestr0m> spydez: what did you google?[04:38:34] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: this is probably one of the neatest things about transactions: "Transactions that span multiple data stores, for example, a single transaction for file and SQL operations"[04:38:36] <paulson> Regarding ZFS versions in S10:[04:38:40] <paulson> The Solaris 10 10/08 release includes ZFS pool version 10, but support for cache devices is not included in this Solaris release.[04:38:47] <paulson> from: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/version/10/[04:38:47] <lukehasnoname> I think I got the AHCI thing fixed by reordering what ports the drives were plugged into, so the boot drive was seen first by AHCI[04:38:48] <_Lewellyn> oh. is it version 10?[04:38:55] <jmcp> lukehasnoname: aha![04:38:58] <paulson> Solaris 10 10/08 = S10U6[04:39:05] <jmcp> lukehasnoname: I'm still concerned by the PCI Parity Error[04:39:34] <lukehasnoname> ehh[04:39:36] *** rv- has quit IRC[04:39:41] <_Lewellyn> i'm trying to remember the command to list the supported zfs version :P[04:39:46] <_Lewellyn> i'm failing horribly[04:39:46] <lukehasnoname> Isn't SATA controlled on the PCI bus?[04:39:52] <paulson> zpool upgrade -v[04:40:11] <jmcp> lukehasnoname: yes, or pci-express[04:40:12] <spydez> codestr0m: "opensolaris zfs.root", which led me to an article that said it had to be installed in "text-mode install", which I also googled, which lead me to some people saying that "OpenSolaris doesn't have text-mode install yet".[04:40:14] <jmcp> depends on stuff[04:40:18] <paulson> not the most intuitive option[04:40:44] <_Lewellyn> you're right. it's 10. wonder why i thought it was 3 :P[04:40:49] <jmcp> spydez: "OpenSolaris Binary Distro" aka OpenSolaris 2008.11 etc, doesn't have a text-mode installer. Solaris Express Community Edition (SXCE) *does*[04:40:53] <codestr0m> spydez: I'll fix google :)[04:41:33] <_Lewellyn> but still. U6 is still 4 zfs versions behind what most of us are running :)[04:41:41] <paulson> fvbb[04:41:42] <paulson> \[04:41:54] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: btw, run that zpool upgrade -v[04:42:02] <paulson> True - this is the OpenSolaris channel afterall. :)[04:42:05] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: it'll show you the new features in each version, in summary form[04:42:14] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, oh cool, thanks[04:43:02] <_Lewellyn> paulson: nothing codestr0m said negated using ntfs as an analogy then :)[04:43:14] <_Lewellyn> in fact, he kind of proved it ;)[04:43:31] <spydez> jmcp or codestr0m: So do I need SXCE for ZFS root, or will the 2008.11 installer do it?[04:43:43] <_Lewellyn> (that both zfs and ntfs upgrades are practically transparent to the average person)[04:44:34] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: only that soft links != raidz.. you didn't respond to that[04:44:49] <codestr0m> spydez: opensolaris installer, but realize with that you'll have other issues :)[04:44:53] <_Lewellyn> no, but i said that transactions are almost as cool :)[04:45:19] <_Lewellyn> i honestly haven't yet tried distributing a transaction across disks and sql yet. but i intend to poke at that some in the future[04:45:24] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: I'd have to look more what it is *exactly*[04:45:32] <_Lewellyn> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa363764.aspx[04:45:46] <codestr0m> sorry ms.com is blocked from my country[04:46:10] <_Lewellyn> heh. there's lots of info in the msdn library :)[04:46:14] <spydez> codestr0m: Other issues?[04:46:20] <_Lewellyn> i bet google will help find some info tho[04:46:34] <codestr0m> spydez: packaging.. use sxce if you can tbh[04:46:35] <_Lewellyn> TxF is really aimed at enterprise use, it seems[04:46:36] <purserj> most of it consists of "Sorry, we tied everything into the kernel so all your base belongs to Virus writers!"[04:47:11] <codestr0m> purserj: no.. I thought it was.. here's your free code snippet so you don't have to think[04:47:19] <_Lewellyn> spydez: if you want something that pretty much "works out of the box and *everything* is installed", use sxce :)[04:47:39] <codestr0m> just copy and paste your way into haxoring the ASP.NET whatever thingie[04:48:09] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: sadly, there's not much code for the fun stuff in the msdn library. i.e. where you'd really LIKE to see code samples :P[04:49:02] *** syamajal_ has quit IRC[04:49:08] <spydez> codestr0m & _Lewellyn: Right. I'll just dl SXCE and throw away the OpenSolaris disk then. Thanks for the help.[04:49:21] <_Lewellyn> spydez: keep the osol disc :)[04:49:27] <_Lewellyn> give it to someone else ;)[04:49:46] <jmcp> spydez: os2008.11 installs to ZFS root and does not give you any option[04:49:55] <jmcp> if you want to install SXCE, you need to choose the text-mode installer[04:49:58] <_Lewellyn> osol's big win is that, unlike sxce, you don't have to download a new dvd image to upgrade to a new build.[04:50:23] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: dude.. have you heard of bfu?[04:50:30] <_Lewellyn> bfu?[04:50:37] <spydez> None of my friends are above the "I looked at the Ubuntu Live CD once" level of geekery... :/[04:50:41] <flyingparchment> bfu isn't the same as an upgrade[04:50:46] <flyingparchment> it only does ON, for one[04:51:06] *** Roms has quit IRC[04:51:11] <_Lewellyn> how would bfu take my system from the e.g. 108 install to e.g. 109?[04:51:11] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: my example was that he doesn't have to dl a new dvd[04:51:30] * codestr0m gets quiet before putting more shoe in mouth[04:51:34] <flyingparchment> _Lewellyn: by overwriting the files with a cpio archive of the files from 109[04:51:46] <flyingparchment> _Lewellyn: it's a fast way to install a new build for development[04:51:56] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: so how is this better than a live upgrade from a mounted iso?[04:51:58] <flyingparchment> (build source, create bfu archives, install)[04:52:04] <flyingparchment> it's not better, it's different[04:52:13] <flyingparchment> but the bfu archives are smaller than a dvd..[04:52:26] <_Lewellyn> and it's just as easy to revert if something goes wrong?[04:52:44] <flyingparchment> it would be if you lucreated before bfuing[04:53:29] <_Lewellyn> since it seems like the most-supported path is to snarf a new dvd every couple weeks, i think i probably should continue with that.[04:53:34] <flyingparchment> although lu kind of fucks up lu, so maybe a normal zfs snapshot would be better[04:53:42] <flyingparchment> s/lu kind/bfu kind[04:54:05] <_Lewellyn> i like lu. it's familiar and feels safe and comfortable :)[04:54:44] <jmcp> bfu isn't appropriate unless you're doing kernel / lowlevel userland development[04:55:19] <lukehasnoname> $55 for a 48 port cisco switch on ebay[04:55:29] <_Lewellyn> jmcp: so "on a machine that you can wipe with no qualms"? :)[04:55:36] <jmcp> _Lewellyn: yeah :)[04:55:36] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: how much is shipping, though? ;)[04:55:46] <_Lewellyn> jmcp: so not my laptop. :)[04:55:49] <jmcp> correct[04:55:57] <jmcp> it's screws with files, so your /var/sadm/install/contents rapidly becomes useless[04:56:04] <jmcp> and once you bfu, you cannot go back to LU[04:56:14] <_Lewellyn> i *could* wipe it (indeed i wiped my solaris 10 with little backing up), but it's a pita to make things "feel right" again[04:56:26] <_Lewellyn> ok. yeah. no bfu for me, thanks[04:56:39] <_Lewellyn> i'll just keep waiting for friday ;)[04:56:53] <jmcp> I used to bfu every week at least, but then got annoyed at having to run the update_** scripts that the other bits required[04:57:06] <lukehasnoname> _l[04:57:11] <jmcp> so manybuilds back I fresh installed and went to just using LU[04:57:12] <lukehasnoname> _Lewellyn: Free[04:57:18] <_Lewellyn> so what i told spydez is still valid: osol's big advantage over sxce is smaller upgrades :)[04:57:24] <e^ipi> i have a xen domU made for bfu-ing[04:57:25] <jmcp> shortishly I'll moving to OS2008.11++[04:57:47] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: eenteresting... if you're not bidding on it, can you msg me the link? :D[04:58:18] * _Lewellyn still wishes he could use xVM :([04:58:30] <lukehasnoname> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__48-port-switch_W0QQLHQ5fBINZ1QQLHQ5fIncludeSIFZ1QQ_dmptZCOMPQ5fENQ5fHubsQQ_flnZ1QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em283[04:58:33] <lukehasnoname> There's the list[04:58:36] <_Lewellyn> that's not msg :)[04:58:48] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: don't have x86?[04:58:59] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i seem to lose S3 suspend support[04:59:09] <_Lewellyn> on a laptop, that's kinda important :P[04:59:21] <e^ipi> ahh[04:59:28] <e^ipi> yeah ,i have a mac for that[04:59:41] <_Lewellyn> nevermind that S3 suspend is broken in 107 and 108 for me, anyhow :P[05:01:26] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[05:01:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[05:02:53] <chowmeined> oh wow[05:02:59] <chowmeined> so if zfs has this transactional object interface[05:03:06] <axisys> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=storage&articleId=9128872&taxonomyId=19&intsrc=kc_top[05:03:09] <axisys> ouch![05:03:10] <chowmeined> why dont they port an rdbms onto it? like postgres or something[05:03:12] *** warrenstrange has joined #opensolaris[05:03:27] <jbk> it's been hinted at in presentations[05:03:37] <jbk> probably just a matter of resources[05:03:51] <chowmeined> yeah, it would take work, but it would be interesting[05:03:56] <Andys^> the userland API to access ZFS internals is too simple for a RDBMS[05:04:17] <Andys^> but people are using ZFS to repliace postgres between sites[05:04:25] <Andys^> instead of postgres' own replication option[05:04:46] <chowmeined> oh nice[05:06:00] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[05:07:36] *** popcornPanic has joined #opensolaris[05:08:56] <popcornPanic> hi i have an inspiron 1720 and i installed open solaris yesterday. the ethernet is not recognized and not driver is installed. i used the bfe module and i cannot get past modload[05:09:21] <flyingparchment> you should never need to modload a solaris driver, use add_drv instead[05:10:16] <popcornPanic> flyingparchment: http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~hburde/solaris_bmc4401.html[05:10:29] <popcornPanic> i followed the directions on this page..add_drv is one of the steps[05:13:09] <popcornPanic> should i give the absolute path to another compiler?[05:15:27] *** JBstrikesagain has joined #opensolaris[05:15:58] *** gm152_ has quit IRC[05:18:11] <chowmeined> how does zfs avoid fragmentation with its design[05:18:55] <jmcp> popcornPanic: did you pull a copy of bfe from http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/index.html ?[05:19:13] <popcornPanic> jmcp: yes[05:19:22] *** b0t4k has joined #opensolaris[05:19:26] <jmcp> the bfe-2.6.1.tar.gz there contains a usable out-of-the-tarfile driver[05:19:30] <b0t4k> hi[05:19:35] <jmcp> popcornPanic: and a readme which tells you how to use it[05:20:09] <b0t4k> hi guys[05:20:21] <b0t4k> i just installed open solaris 11 on my HP desktop[05:20:39] <b0t4k> it seems that the OS didn't detect my wide screen display[05:20:47] <popcornPanic> jmcp: thanks. that might help :P[05:20:48] <b0t4k> how can i configure that ??[05:20:56] <b0t4k> since i'm very new with it[05:21:16] *** popcornPanic has quit IRC[05:23:29] <jmcp> b0t4k: launch->preferences->screen resolution, hit 'detect displays'[05:23:43] <b0t4k> done that[05:23:50] <b0t4k> but still same results[05:23:59] <jmcp> then have a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file for "EE"[05:27:56] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[05:27:56] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[05:28:14] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[05:30:36] *** MyAzhax has quit IRC[05:31:50] <chowmeined> is there a doc that describes user management? add, delete, modify etc[05:32:36] *** alain10 has quit IRC[05:35:02] <purserj> man useradd?[05:37:04] <chowmeined> oh it just uses those?[05:37:04] <chowmeined> ok[05:37:20] <chowmeined> i didnt know if solaris had some framework like it does for services[05:38:37] <chowmeined> when i try to have it make a home dir, it goes operation not applicable[05:38:38] <jmcp> chowmeined: useradd, usermod, roleadd, rolemod[05:38:56] <jmcp> try reading the fine manual and checking that you're using acceptable syntax[05:39:21] *** b0t4k has quit IRC[05:39:29] <chowmeined> i did, and i am[05:40:25] <e^ipi> chowmeined: if you go to make a home dir in /home , it won't work. use /export/home[05:41:43] <chowmeined> so i have to specify a base dir along with it[05:41:59] *** JBstrikesagain has left #opensolaris[05:43:27] <chowmeined> it doesnt copy skel, if i make the home dir a zfs filesystem[05:44:46] <e^ipi> here, read an explanation: http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2005/02/youre-never-far-from-home.html[05:44:54] <chowmeined> thanks[05:53:14] *** avida has joined #opensolaris[05:56:00] *** warrenstrange has quit IRC[06:04:16] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[06:04:52] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[06:07:23] *** hotaru2k3 has joined #OpenSolaris[06:15:39] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[06:17:28] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[06:18:02] *** ken1 is now known as ken-work[06:19:15] *** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC[06:22:25] *** tamr has quit IRC[06:22:53] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:23:06] *** MACscr has quit IRC[06:25:48] <ry-tpro> swoot still connected from phone!![06:26:17] <_Lewellyn> haha. sweet[06:26:36] <_Lewellyn> so it's not bad on your battery?[06:29:18] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[06:32:38] <ry-tpro> it is, but this thing has a 1300mah[06:32:55] <ry-tpro> there is a 1900 avail :)[06:32:57] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[06:36:59] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro: mine's like 900 mAH and has like an 1900 available, too :)[06:37:01] *** mknecht has quit IRC[06:37:12] <_Lewellyn> i get somewhere near a day of charge, right now, with my use pattern :P[06:44:42] *** krisis has joined #opensolaris[06:46:12] <ry-tpro> yeah, with email on I get a day, without... nearly a week.[06:46:33] <ry-tpro> I need to set up my own exchange server for push mail.[06:48:36] *** ry_screen has joined #opensolaris[06:48:53] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[06:48:54] <ry_screen> I have my phone setup on my desk in landscape, so I see when the channel updates on it, kind of a trip :)[06:49:27] <ry_screen> I've got 3 screens setup via maxivista now as well... 1400x1050 on tablet, 1280x1024, and then 1920x1200 on the main screen.[06:49:34] <ry_screen> *nerdgasm*[06:52:25] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[06:54:27] *** rohini has joined #opensolaris[06:55:09] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[06:57:29] *** ttmrichter_ has joined #opensolaris[06:58:05] <_Lewellyn> oh. THAT's the other app i need for opensolaris to be my 100% solution :([06:58:08] *** dmoerner has quit IRC[06:58:28] <ry_screen> what's that? maxivista?[06:59:04] <ry_screen> It's getting dated... can't use vista as a target. ( crashes for me though they say it's supported ) and you need the server to use xpdm[06:59:21] <ry_screen> using xpdm had the un-expected side affect of allowing me to use virtual screen resolutions :)[06:59:48] <ry_screen> if my tablet died after it's warranty expires... a year from now... I would just get a macbook.[07:00:03] <ry_screen> I refuse to run linux as my operating system. been there done that.[07:00:07] *** ttmrichter_ has quit IRC[07:00:52] <_Lewellyn> Pocket Controller Pro[07:01:02] <ry_screen> pocket controller?[07:01:05] *** ttmrichter_ has joined #opensolaris[07:01:14] <_Lewellyn> it lets me access my phone via activesync[07:01:22] <_Lewellyn> so i can type on a real keyboard and use a mouse :)[07:01:27] <ry_screen> Aaah.[07:01:32] <ry_screen> how $$[07:01:51] *** ttmrichter_ has quit IRC[07:01:56] <_Lewellyn> um. i think it was like $20 or $30[07:01:59] <_Lewellyn> lemme get you a url[07:02:04] <ry_screen> ugh.[07:02:10] <ry_screen> think I'd rather put the money towards a bluetooth keyboard[07:02:22] <_Lewellyn> $35.95[07:02:24] <_Lewellyn> http://www.soti.net/default.asp?Cmd=Products&SubCmd=PCPro[07:02:30] <ry_screen> *nod*[07:02:40] <_Lewellyn> if someone came up with that for unix, i'd pay another $40 for it :)[07:02:41] <ry_screen> I still need to purchase a copy of maxivista.[07:03:06] <ry_screen> I'm hoping in a year or so virtual machine performance will be near native.[07:03:15] <ry_screen> then I"ll move everything to an external flash drive, like intels x25-m[07:03:25] *** authentic has quit IRC[07:03:30] <_Lewellyn> oh that's right. i need to look up that ssd i want to buy[07:03:37] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[07:03:46] <spydez> Right now, the intel's the only fast one.[07:03:48] <ry_screen> i'd wait a year.[07:03:54] <ry_screen> get a nice 300-500 meg harddisk.[07:04:04] <ry_screen> by meg.[07:04:07] <spydez> I agree with ry_screen... wait a bit.[07:04:09] <ry_screen> I mean gib[07:04:31] <ry_screen> sooo expensive right now, and there are still "issues"[07:04:41] <ry_screen> the only capacity I'm using them is for zil slog[07:04:49] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[07:04:57] <ry_screen> I'm using 400 gig 15k seagates for read cache.[07:05:39] *** spydez has quit IRC[07:06:26] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[07:07:30] <e^ipi> ry_screen: what the hell would you need 300 gigs of slog for?[07:07:33] <e^ipi> you need like, a gigabyte[07:07:39] <e^ipi> if that[07:07:41] <ry_screen> 32 gigs for slog[07:07:43] <ry_screen> 400 gigs for read[07:08:01] <e^ipi> what do you need 32 gigs of slog for?[07:08:02] <ry_screen> since I can't get a smaller intel ssd[07:08:05] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[07:08:06] <e^ipi> how big is your working set?![07:08:08] <ry_screen> do you have a source for a smaller slog? :)[07:08:20] <e^ipi> well, the one I want to get is this guy: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16611&vpn=gc-ramdisk&manufacture=gigabyte[07:08:20] <ry_screen> It will scale up to 60 tera[07:08:23] <_Lewellyn> heh.spydez left[07:08:29] <e^ipi> probably faster than the intel one too[07:08:33] <_Lewellyn> there's only one competitor to intel atm[07:08:43] <_Lewellyn> and i don't have the link handy[07:08:52] <ry_screen> Yeah, needs to be in a sas enclosure.[07:08:54] <ry_screen> for ha[07:08:58] <_Lewellyn> and i can't access all my email on opensolaris yet :([07:09:07] <ry_screen> I have an 8 shelf system setup. 6 jbod shelves, and two server heads.[07:09:15] <ry_screen> 192 drives[07:09:20] <ry_screen> ( up to )[07:09:22] <ry_screen> so, yeah. :)[07:09:30] <ry_screen> expect to see me for awhile[07:11:45] *** devians has quit IRC[07:11:57] *** Panarchy has joined #OpenSolaris[07:12:00] * Panarchy says Hi[07:12:05] <Panarchy> What network share protocols does OpenSolaris support?[07:12:27] <ry_screen> your mom! j/k nfsv3, nfsv4, cifs, iscsi ar ethe main ones[07:12:33] <e^ipi> nfs up to and including4, iscsi, and cifs[07:12:38] <_Lewellyn> Panarchy: is that a script? :([07:12:42] <e^ipi> and sneakernet[07:13:49] <Panarchy> hmm[07:14:03] <_Lewellyn> Panarchy: what do you need?[07:14:14] <Panarchy> Last time I talked on this channel (maybe a month ago) I was asking about Windows SMB Share support[07:14:25] <Panarchy> And they told me that they only support[07:14:32] <Panarchy> <Insert list here>[07:14:37] <Panarchy> </insert list here>[07:15:13] <_Lewellyn> cifs == smb, essentially[07:15:42] *** ahmed-tux has quit IRC[07:16:40] <jmcp> Panarchy: CIFS here generally refers to the in-kernel CIFS server, sharing out data over CIFS[07:16:49] <jmcp> recently there was a project integrated to mount with type smbfs[07:16:54] <Panarchy> ... I'm confused ...[07:16:55] * ry_screen grumbles.[07:17:07] <jmcp> so you could mount -F smbfs ..... /mountpoint[07:17:18] <ry_screen> I heard opensolaris -> asus laptop -> this year.[07:17:42] <jmcp> where -> indicates what, exactly?[07:17:51] <ry_screen> association.[07:17:57] *** oxygen-a1dict has quit IRC[07:18:09] <jmcp> bzzzt[07:18:21] <ry_screen> if not, that means I go macbook prolly.[07:18:26] <jmcp> OpenSolaris already runs on Asus laptops[07:18:32] <ry_screen> yeah. it runs.[07:18:40] <ry_screen> I've got it run on an x60, a d630 and my desktop[07:18:48] <ry_screen> it to run.[07:18:54] <Tempt> In fact, Sun was running a survey promo recently with an Eee pre-loaded with OpenSolaris as the prize.[07:19:01] <ry_screen> *nod*[07:19:05] <e^ipi> jmcp: same as (*foo).x[07:19:09] <_Lewellyn> ry_screen: i hope to see an officially-supported cheap toshiba opensolaris notebook[07:19:14] <ry_screen> yup[07:19:18] <ry_screen> something along those lines.[07:19:19] * jmcp aims a swift /kick @ e^ipi[07:19:28] <e^ipi> ;)[07:19:30] *** e^ipi was kicked by Tempt (Tempt)[07:19:32] <Tempt> ;-)[07:19:34] <_Lewellyn> i'm very happy with toshiba's build quality[07:19:40] *** e^ipi has joined #opensolaris[07:19:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o e^ipi[07:19:43] <_Lewellyn> ry_screen: as you know, i'm tough on hardware :)[07:19:44] <Tempt> proxy-kick.[07:19:52] <jmcp> Tempt: ta much :-)[07:20:27] <ry_screen> _Lewellyn That's an understatement.[07:21:22] <_Lewellyn> ry_screen: this toshiba's survived very well. all i've killed is a piece of plastic, and the cpu fan rattles a lot due to almost constant pegging at 100% for the past 8 months :D[07:21:23] *** anilg has quit IRC[07:21:43] <ry_screen> Heh.[07:21:44] <Tempt> Still think the Lifebook would be a more logical choice.[07:21:50] <ry_screen> thinkpad is at 2 years for me.[07:21:56] <ry_screen> has a cracked battery cover[07:22:06] <ry_screen> fan is starting to get loud, and for a thinkpad.. that's impressive :)[07:22:18] <ry_screen> should hear my d630 when I do anything on it, that fan is fucking shitty[07:25:06] <_Lewellyn> heh. next week, you'll hear my cpu fan :D[07:25:25] <_Lewellyn> once i get a core 2 duo, that'll be all better. it requires a new fan module[07:25:59] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[07:27:10] * ry_screen starts an rsync of all data on his data drive, includin the recycle bin.. bwahahah[07:29:52] *** PicCard_ has joined #opensolaris[07:29:56] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[07:31:13] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[07:31:37] *** colyte_ has joined #opensolaris[07:31:54] <chowmeined> how does zfs handle root filesystem getting out of sync?[07:32:09] <e^ipi> "out of sync" how exactly?[07:32:09] <chowmeined> like i have it mirrored, if i boot up on the secondary drive, and then go back to the primary one[07:32:20] <ry_screen> uses newest I'm pretty sure.[07:32:25] <e^ipi> it's mirrored[07:32:35] <flyingparchment> the question is how does it know which is the newest[07:32:40] <flyingparchment> since it has no metadb[07:32:54] <chowmeined> no, i took out one of the drives[07:33:01] <chowmeined> and then booted back up on the older drive[07:33:03] <ry_screen> 'm pretty certain it tracks when last mount was.[07:33:19] <ry_screen> but not sure of the exact behavior[07:33:29] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[07:33:34] <chowmeined> well the transactions have versioning[07:33:36] <ry_screen> I have 2 and 3 disk mirrors and that's the behavior I see.[07:34:18] <Andys^> flyingparchment: there is meta..[07:34:25] <flyingparchment> Andys^: there is no metadb[07:34:37] <flyingparchment> Andys^: svm maintains a separate metadata to maintain quorum[07:34:38] <Panarchy> Thanks for all help given, here is what I wrote;[07:34:39] <Panarchy> #########[07:34:39] <Panarchy> # Shares #[07:34:39] <Panarchy> #########[07:34:40] <Panarchy> # Just some clarification of my question about Network Shares, there[07:34:40] <Panarchy> are a few different types of shares, including;[07:34:40] <Panarchy> # AFP - [Apple Filing Protocol] - Apple Talk, TCP or UDP[07:34:42] <Panarchy> # NFS - [Network File System] - TCP or UDP[07:34:44] <Panarchy> # SMB/CIFS - [Server Message Block]/[Common Internet File System] -[07:34:46] <Andys^> ls -la /etc/zfs/zpool.cache[07:34:46] <Panarchy> NBT, NBF, NetBIOS, or TCP[07:34:48] <Panarchy> # NCP - [Network Core Protocol] - SPX (Over IPX) or TCP[07:34:50] <Panarchy> # SAP - [Service Advertising Protocol] - SPX (Over IPX) or TCP[07:34:52] <Panarchy> #########[07:34:55] <Andys^> there's your meta[07:34:57] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi![07:34:59] <jmcp> Panarchy: OI !!! STOP FLOODING[07:35:07] <flyingparchment> Andys^: that's not going to be much use if the move the pool to another system[07:35:18] <e^ipi> Panarchy: pastebin.[07:35:20] <e^ipi> use it.[07:35:23] <Andys^> flyingparchment: you normally can't do that without additional commands[07:35:23] <flyingparchment> (or if it's on the root pool)[07:35:28] * elektronkind politely point Panarchy to http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/[07:35:45] * ry_screen politely points Panarchy to his hourly consultin rates :)[07:36:04] <Andys^> flyingparchment: basically, if you break a mirror, and then disconnect one side and reconnect the other side, you've caused your own problem. you should only disconnect a drive after the mirror has resync'd[07:36:23] <chowmeined> Andys^, thats fair[07:37:26] *** asarch has quit IRC[07:37:40] <elektronkind> Andys^: I think that goes without saying...[07:37:41] <ry_screen> rsync within cygwin, from an encrypted volume, poor cpus[07:37:49] *** colyte has quit IRC[07:38:19] <chowmeined> poor cpus?[07:38:29] <ry_screen> poor cores, pegged[07:38:35] *** Tempt sets mode: +o jmcp[07:38:41] <ry_screen> 1.6ghz ultra low power.[07:38:53] <chowmeined> not really what i meant just[07:39:00] <chowmeined> one day soon, it wont be much of a worry[07:39:10] <chowmeined> 8, 16 cores or more[07:39:20] <ry_screen> yeah, that's what I'm holding out for.[07:39:25] <ry_screen> want to update laptop now[07:39:52] <e^ipi> chowmeined: SPARC T2 is 8 cores already[07:40:13] <ry_screen> well, desktop has 4 cores.[07:40:14] <chowmeined> e^ipi, yeah but thats[07:40:25] <chowmeined> cell has 8 cores[07:40:34] <chowmeined> gpus have what, 128 stream processors[07:40:35] <ry_screen> anyway time to stream some netflix moves.[07:40:42] <ry_screen> er movies..[07:40:43] <Andys^> cygwin file i/o is atrocious[07:40:44] <chowmeined> sparc is really expensive though :([07:40:47] *** Panarchy has quit IRC[07:40:49] <ry_screen> and get rid of my retarded grammer gene.[07:40:59] <e^ipi> chowmeined: not really, a t1000 is under $3000[07:41:11] <ry_screen> sluggish.[07:41:26] * Andys^ will have to try opensolaris on his DualCore Atom soon[07:41:29] <ry_screen> 8 core x86 is pretty fast.[07:41:30] * Tempt pats his SPARC box.[07:41:35] <ry_screen> with 64 gigs.[07:41:38] <ry_screen> for about the same price.[07:41:59] <Tempt> Just buy an M9000-64 and be happy.[07:42:04] <ry_screen> hopefully new version of cpu coming :)[07:42:16] <Tempt> Of which CPU/[07:42:31] <ry_screen> sparc[07:42:34] <Tempt> No revs on SPARC64 due soon.[07:42:36] <ry_screen> I like it when intel has competition.[07:42:48] <e^ipi> RK is coming RSN[07:42:48] <chowmeined> i have a sparc but its an ultra 10[07:42:52] <e^ipi> *shrug*[07:42:54] <ry_screen> it always seems to push the industry forward.[07:43:02] <Tempt> And on UltraSPARC-T2, there's a .. (nda)[07:43:02] <_Lewellyn> i wouldn't mind seeing a new sparc. of course i already stated my sparc wishlist :)[07:43:03] <ry_screen> anyway.[07:43:04] <chowmeined> only in the server market[07:43:11] <Tempt> e^ipi: So's fucking Christmas.[07:43:12] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: nothing wrong with the u10 for small stuff[07:43:18] <_Lewellyn> drop at least a gig of ram in it, tho.[07:43:24] <chowmeined> yeah i have 1gig in it[07:43:37] <chowmeined> but its not as easy to install opensolaris on[07:43:44] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: why not?[07:43:47] <chowmeined> i have openbsd on it now actually, its my router >.>[07:43:57] <_Lewellyn> i keep toying with upgrading to sxce from solaris 10 on my u5[07:43:58] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, you have to use the automated network installer thing[07:44:04] <_Lewellyn> um why?[07:44:04] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[07:44:05] *** e1mer has quit IRC[07:44:09] <chowmeined> it doesnt have an installer like the x86 version does[07:44:13] <chowmeined> installer/livecd[07:44:14] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[07:44:16] <_Lewellyn> sxce should[07:44:32] <e^ipi> the hell would you need a livecd for?[07:44:43] <chowmeined> i dont, i could handle a menu based installer[07:44:50] <chowmeined> i just dont want to setup the whole network install thing[07:45:08] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: so use sxcd[07:45:11] <_Lewellyn> sxce even[07:45:16] <chowmeined> The SPARC Automated Installer ISO[07:45:16] *** PicCard has quit IRC[07:45:33] <chowmeined> oh i was using the one at opensolaris.com[07:45:42] <_Lewellyn> opensolaris.org has sxce for download[07:45:51] <chowmeined> oh cool[07:46:06] <_Lewellyn> i'm curious how it runs in such a low-end machine[07:46:19] <_Lewellyn> it's the "crappy e-machines box" of the sparc world :)[07:46:43] <chowmeined> i wish i had an adapter for the creator 3d card[07:46:55] *** Deesl has joined #opensolaris[07:47:55] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, right now i have openbsd on it, its running as my router, it can handle bittorrent at 1MB/s, ipv4 ipv6, ipsec, speed tests get up to 30mbit going through it[07:48:27] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: meh. the only graphics mine does is via Xvnc :)[07:48:43] <_Lewellyn> and it's nice with a qfe on the wan side. i need to drop one on the lan side, too.[07:48:53] <_Lewellyn> sun trunking makes that machine run nicely :)[07:49:09] <chowmeined> mine has 2 happy meal cards[07:49:18] <elektronkind> lol sun trunking[07:49:21] <chowmeined> seriously, what is up with that name[07:49:28] <chowmeined> sun is goofy[07:49:36] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: the qfe is the cheerio, iirc[07:49:49] *** stevel has quit IRC[07:49:57] <elektronkind> because the original design for that chip was sketched out at a mcdonalds, so the story goes[07:50:01] <_Lewellyn> elektronkind: i'm afraid to see what happens with qfe/hme and trunking/aggregation when migrating to solaris 11 :([07:50:09] <Tempt> chowmeined: It's trunking, from Sun. Sun Trunking.[07:50:17] <_Lewellyn> elektronkind: and the cheerio at breakfast? :)[07:50:25] <elektronkind> there was also the Big Mac, the original 4-port 10Mb card[07:50:35] <elektronkind> cheerio was a PCI bridge[07:50:37] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, solaris 11 is coming?[07:50:38] <_Lewellyn> oh ugh. i try to forget the big mac :P[07:50:40] <Tempt> Sun are good at having fun product codenames.[07:50:51] <Tempt> Schizo![07:50:55] <_Lewellyn> elektronkind: yeah. qfe is cheerio + 4 happy meal, no?[07:51:05] <elektronkind> yeah, I think so[07:51:20] <chowmeined> psycho[07:51:21] <_Lewellyn> it performs nicely aggregated[07:51:34] <jmcp> allegedly, there was going to be a follow-on from Schizo called "Postal"[07:51:35] <_Lewellyn> i actually use less cpu for massive transfer trunked than over a single hme[07:51:41] <Tempt> jmcp: hah.[07:51:42] <chowmeined> my ultra 10 has a psycho bus in it[07:51:56] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[07:52:22] <elektronkind> I think that gdamore collapsed the qfe driver into the hme driver, and nemo'ized hme in the process[07:52:44] <elektronkind> if so, hme/qfe should work under dladm for aggregations[07:52:58] <Tempt> If only that was the case for cassini.[07:53:22] <elektronkind> I recall him mentioning that the difference between the hme and qfe driver code was almost non-existent and trivial[07:53:54] <elektronkind> ce was a poop card. I never had love for its driver, at least[07:54:23] <elektronkind> nxge looked like it was going to go the same way, but that driver is actually pretty decent now[07:55:06] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[07:55:20] * elektronkind runs a bunch of T5220s with the NIU/XAUI adaptors[07:55:34] <Tempt> elektronkind: Yes, but I've got about a dozen quad cassinis in my desk drawer and better drivers would be nice.[07:55:44] <_Lewellyn> elektronkind: i remember reading the post about the hme/qfe and aggregation thing. apparently it needed lots of thinking[07:56:26] <_Lewellyn> i should ask gdamore next time he's active in here. it may be a very interesting discussion. and it may result in me plopping sxce onto my u5[07:56:39] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[07:56:42] <_Lewellyn> since i'm one of those people who don't like device names changing ;)[07:58:50] <CIA-40> Vallish Vaidyeshwara <Vallish.Vaidyeshwara at Sun dot COM>: 6359212 NFS share sec=none option doesn't work when combined with another sec= option.[07:58:58] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[08:00:20] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris[08:08:18] *** cypromis has quit IRC[08:11:29] <chowmeined> cool, scrub completed with no errors[08:14:26] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[08:14:37] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[08:15:44] <e^ipi> that's what it usually does[08:15:59] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[08:17:20] *** neoxed_ has quit IRC[08:17:23] <chowmeined> e^ipi, yeah im glad for that[08:17:34] <chowmeined> i thought one of the drives in the mirror was failing[08:21:42] <trochej> C[08:22:49] <fraggeln> o[08:22:56] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[08:23:27] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris[08:24:03] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:26:49] *** MyAzhax has joined #opensolaris[08:28:16] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[08:29:07] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[08:29:28] *** mknecht has joined #opensolaris[08:31:11] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[08:31:37] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #opensolaris[08:32:19] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:40:15] <trochej> f[08:41:00] <_Lewellyn> u[08:41:12] *** carl- has quit IRC[08:41:23] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[08:41:44] <chowmeined> h[08:42:43] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[08:43:23] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris[08:43:58] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:44:15] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[08:47:20] <xRaich[o]2x> ?[08:47:28] <trochej> hm[08:47:39] <trochej> there was supposed to be second f[08:49:28] *** AxeZ has joined #opensolaris[08:51:02] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:52:59] <niq> FF[08:54:08] <trochej> Good[08:54:09] <trochej> EE[08:54:25] <trochej> Now our journey to the dark side is complete[08:54:31] * niq blamws trochej[08:56:36] *** sartek_ has joined #opensolaris[08:58:10] <trochej> niq: Eh. blamws? What IS that?[08:58:33] *** danielito has joined #opensolaris[08:58:35] <niq> typo[08:58:39] <niq> s/w/e/[08:59:06] <danielito> hi. I'm new to opensolaris and I wonder why there are just packages for JDK 6.0. is there an easy way I can get the packages for java 5?[08:59:15] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[09:00:56] <trochej> danielito: That one you can get from java.sun.com[09:01:14] <kohju> I have the coffee bought at STARBUCKS.... :)[09:01:14] <kohju> Coffee :D~~[09:01:22] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[09:02:36] <lblume> Too late for coffee.[09:02:53] <danielito> trochej: ok[09:02:55] <trochej> It is never too late for coffee[09:03:04] <xRaich[o]2x> i knew it :P[09:03:16] <danielito> trochej: or do you accidently know if jboss server 4.2.2 also works fine with java 6?[09:03:39] <trochej> danielito: I think I saw it being used with one.[09:04:32] *** gorem has joined #opensolaris[09:04:40] <danielito> thx troche, I'll try[09:04:45] *** Deesl has quit IRC[09:04:58] <e^ipi> kohju: they don't serve coffee at starbucks[09:05:13] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:06:34] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: they serve what would be coffee if they didn't care so damned much about "consistency" :P[09:06:50] *** setien has joined #opensolaris[09:06:57] <trochej> :)[09:07:04] <setien> am I blind or is apache 2 not in the standard package list?[09:07:11] <setien> do I need to use blastwave to get apache 2?[09:07:12] <e^ipi> consistency is a good thing; it'd be coffee if it were fresh, and not roasted to the point of being charcoal[09:07:20] <e^ipi> setien: it's in there[09:07:23] <e^ipi> SUNWapch22[09:07:29] <setien> ah[09:07:29] <setien> ok[09:07:49] <setien> then, how do you normally search for things in the repo? I usually do pkg -a|grep apache, which is obviously a bad strategy[09:07:57] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: actually, if you talk to the guys in the black aprons, they can tell you the ones which are roasted to a sane degree.[09:08:03] <e^ipi> setien: -r[09:08:03] <_Lewellyn> usually the limited editions[09:08:09] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: still stale, and still over-roasted[09:08:23] *** robertbb has joined #opensolaris[09:08:28] <e^ipi> their idea of a light roast is anyone who knows what they're doing's idea of a dark roast[09:08:38] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i claimed that too, to the wrong person. i ended up at a private starbucks coffee tasting[09:08:52] <_Lewellyn> it's the really limited-quantity ones that are actually pretty good[09:08:56] <e^ipi> if it doesn't have a roast date on the bag, it's stale[09:09:07] <e^ipi> i know which ones you're talking about, the black apron specials.[09:09:23] <_Lewellyn> no, the ones that you have to have them special order before they're roasted :)[09:09:30] <lblume> e^ipi: that way, they ensure that it's deeply sterilized and devoid ov germs that could harm customers.[09:09:39] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: what city you live in?[09:09:53] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: san francisco now. i found out about those in san diego.[09:10:20] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: blue bottle, ritual[09:10:28] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: you've said this, yes[09:10:35] <_Lewellyn> but i melt. and it's been rainy :)[09:10:45] <e^ipi> seriously, they know what they're doing[09:11:40] <_Lewellyn> i believe you. i'm just saying that not EVERYTHING with a starbucks label sucks[09:11:50] <robertbb> Hi! Looking to experiment with ZFS. For lack of funds to buy lots of HDD's, I'm thinking using cheap USB flash sticks may let me play. I have 2 questions before I try this: 1) Will OpenSolaris always detect USB keys and use the same device name for a given USB port, so I can play with RAIDZ? 2) Are there any features I would not be able to learn/test because I'm using USB flash and not, for example, SATA/SAS?[09:12:00] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: no, but everything with a starbucks label is pretty uninspiring[09:12:22] *** sartek has quit IRC[09:12:27] <_Lewellyn> yeah. there's no way i'd pay the money they were asking for what i considered "just barely above average" coffee[09:12:33] <asyd> \_o<[09:12:38] <_Lewellyn> it came out to nearly $40/lb[09:12:40] <e^ipi> i'm pretty much the first to defend starbucks from irrational hate. They tend to be the best coffee you'll find in a given town[09:12:42] *** comay has quit IRC[09:12:53] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[09:12:56] <e^ipi> which isn't to say that they're good though, they're just better than 99% of the local independent shops[09:13:33] <e^ipi> and "just barely above average" can mean a lot of things... one man's "amazing" is another man's "sub par"[09:13:39] <e^ipi> it's a matter of where you set your par[09:13:50] <_Lewellyn> yeah. again. i don't go for coffee much. and when i do, i look for an illy sign because at least then i have half an idea what i'm getting with a cup of espresso, at least :P[09:14:10] <e^ipi> mine unfortunately happens to be set somewhere in the vancouver competition barista scene so there's not a lot that holds up to it[09:14:18] <_Lewellyn> i think my hole is par 2 :)[09:14:23] <robertbb> Any tips guys?[09:14:28] <e^ipi> ( and vancouver produces a lot of world class baristi )[09:15:15] <e^ipi> robertbb: Sever the main neck tendons before cutting through the spinal cord. That will allow you more opportunity to separate the vertebrae prior to removing the head.[09:15:25] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[09:15:26] <_Lewellyn> heh. i was going to get into the competition barista arena at one point. then i realized that my insane desires would be refocused from computers. :P[09:15:28] <e^ipi> ( you asked for a tip. i gave you one )[09:15:51] <_Lewellyn> i should look into espresso machines again soon[09:15:56] <e^ipi> yes you should.[09:15:57] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[09:16:01] <e^ipi> ONE OF US! ONE OF US![09:16:30] <_Lewellyn> i almost got a nice setup a couple years ago[09:16:50] <e^ipi> check craigslist ; shitty cafes go out of business all the time[09:16:59] <_Lewellyn> but that 6 grand went towards surviving while in very poor health and unable to make money :P[09:17:26] <e^ipi> I picked up a mazzer super jolly ( big commercial grinder that starbucks used to use before they bought pushbutton machines ) for $250[09:17:32] <e^ipi> normally they retail for somewhere around $1000[09:17:43] <_Lewellyn> nice[09:17:57] <_Lewellyn> the super jolly is a decent grinder.[09:19:39] *** telexicon has quit IRC[09:19:53] *** telexicon has joined #opensolaris[09:20:01] <paulson> robertbb: Yes to your first question -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw8V8g5eT0[09:20:19] <paulson> robertbb: I'd say no to your second question[09:20:58] <paulson> The YouTube video is in German but the ZFS demo is clear - they create a raidz zpool with a bunch of USB thumb drives[09:21:10] <paulson> and then pull a bunch out and rearrange them randomly[09:21:16] <paulson> ZFS recovers just fine[09:21:20] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:21:45] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:22:08] <xRaich[o]2x> paulson: there is a synched version of it[09:22:16] <DTEIT> morning[09:22:40] <paulson> Ah, that could be even more helpful[09:22:49] <paulson> for those of us who don't speak German[09:23:06] <xRaich[o]2x> i didn't even know there was a german version and i'm german :P[09:23:15] *** Teo` has joined #opensolaris[09:23:24] <xRaich[o]2x> paulson: just check google video for csi munich[09:23:28] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i wouldn't mind getting myself a La Pavoni BAR-star or something[09:23:37] <_Lewellyn> but a san francisco apartment doesn't have the room[09:23:48] <_Lewellyn> i'd probably end up with a nice lever unit if i were to get something[09:24:06] <_Lewellyn> and you can get some damn nice shots out of a lever unit :)[09:24:21] <e^ipi> a lot of people prefer them[09:24:39] <e^ipi> I haven't played with levers so i've no opinion of them[09:24:43] <_Lewellyn> i prefer them.but i like being able to pull 3 or 4 shots at once so they can be consumed properly[09:24:51] <e^ipi> was thinking of picking up a pavoni euro to play with though[09:24:59] <kibibyte> hi people[09:25:01] <_Lewellyn> there's a definite learning curve to a lever[09:25:28] <_Lewellyn> but i wouldn't mind a BAR-star 4 or something[09:25:46] <e^ipi> i dunno, for that amount of money i'd be looking at a GS3 or similar[09:26:00] <e^ipi> or a single group synesso[09:26:01] <_Lewellyn> i don't have 50" of counter space though :P[09:26:13] <e^ipi> meh, gs3 is tiny[09:26:24] <_Lewellyn> a bar-star 4 isn't :D[09:26:27] <_Lewellyn> *at all* :D[09:26:50] <e^ipi> random dude for scale: http://www.pbase.com/teme/image/74846058.jpg[09:27:00] <e^ipi> that's how big a GS3 is[09:27:26] <_Lewellyn> http://www.1st-line.com/machines/comm_mod/esprmach/lapavoni/la_pavoni_bar-star4.htm[09:27:28] <e^ipi> dual boiler, temperature control, the whole bit... they run about 5 grand these days[09:27:32] <_Lewellyn> look how many cups fit on top :D[09:27:45] <_Lewellyn> (good measure of scale, too)[09:27:53] <e^ipi> i don't ... need a 4 group[09:28:01] <_Lewellyn> i don't NEED one either...[09:28:09] <_Lewellyn> the gas heating would be nice though...[09:28:35] <_Lewellyn> i may actually like... entertain guests or something if i had a 3 or 4 group :D[09:28:38] <e^ipi> for after the apocalypse ?[09:29:33] <e^ipi> I dunno... I have a finite amount of arms so more than one group just doesn't seem worthwhile, with the exception that you can get a 2 - 4 group on the used market for much less than a 1 group[09:29:37] <_Lewellyn> heh. when hell freezes over[09:29:40] <trochej> _Lewellyn: They had one like this at google Amsterdam[09:29:43] <trochej> Nice machine[09:29:47] <trochej> Would like to have one at home[09:29:49] <_Lewellyn> yeah. they're really nice machines[09:30:14] <e^ipi> no doubt[09:30:20] <e^ipi> i wouldn't turn one down[09:30:21] <_Lewellyn> i dislike fully-automatic machines as a rule, but i really have been impressed by what that can do to even "average" beans[09:30:26] *** exl has joined #opensolaris[09:30:47] <trochej> My machine looks like this:[09:30:49] <trochej> http://www.centrumsztucca.pl/kawiarka-stalowa-kitty-oro-6tz-bialetti.html?utm_source=nokaut.pl&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2009-03&utm_content=233[09:30:52] <trochej> :)[09:31:19] <e^ipi> those are pretty typical home brewers[09:31:34] <e^ipi> you'd have to be a crazy person to spend more than $1000 on a coffee machine[09:31:50] * e^ipi steps in the way of the view to his coffee counter[09:31:59] <trochej> e^ipi: I am crazy, but I have to earn much more to spend $1000 on anything. :)[09:32:14] <exl> hi, did someone know where i could find a vlc package for SXCE ?[09:32:16] <_Lewellyn> the lever unit i wanted, i can't find right now. used, they're about $2000 in poor condition :([09:32:20] <_Lewellyn> exl: SFE :)[09:32:42] <trochej> exl: www.blastwave.com[09:32:44] <_Lewellyn> sadly i know of no good docs for using SFE with SXCE[09:32:53] <_Lewellyn> but you can adapt the osol docs[09:32:54] <trochej> exl: Or google for SFE opensolaris[09:33:10] <trochej> _Lewellyn: ?[09:33:13] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[09:33:14] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: MCAL?[09:33:14] <_Lewellyn> url to the best docs coming up in a second[09:33:22] <trochej> _Lewellyn: I use SFE with SXCE and see no difficulties[09:33:28] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: no. it's a la pavoni.[09:34:19] <exl> thks, i will try this[09:34:40] <_Lewellyn> trochej: yes. but there's no good docs that i know of for sxce to use the jds build system[09:34:44] <_Lewellyn> exl: http://blogs.sun.com/mattman/entry/how_to_build_jds_on[09:35:05] *** Teo` has quit IRC[09:35:11] <_Lewellyn> if you did a full install of sxce, skip step 2 (and maybe 3)[09:35:20] <_Lewellyn> and you can get sun studio from sun.com[09:35:30] *** Teo` has joined #opensolaris[09:35:48] <_Lewellyn> and in step 5, there's a newer pkgbuild at pkgbuild.sf.net[09:35:52] *** neoxed has quit IRC[09:36:25] <_Lewellyn> of course, steps 9& 10 don't really apply either[09:36:59] <_Lewellyn> pkgtool --autodeps --download build SFEvlc.spec[09:37:20] <_Lewellyn> that's all you need once you get done with step 7 and "cd SFE"[09:37:26] *** syd`_ has joined #opensolaris[09:38:10] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris[09:38:20] <_Lewellyn> i probably should write up something better for sxce, specifically, huh? :P[09:38:25] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[09:40:36] *** gorem has quit IRC[09:43:32] *** luc__ has joined #opensolaris[09:43:57] *** lblume has quit IRC[09:44:01] *** luc^ has quit IRC[09:45:22] <chowmeined> so, usually mv is optimized within a filesystem to be nearly instant, since zfs lets you make so many filesystems, does it have instant move within a zpool?[09:45:34] <chowmeined> further, does it have instant copy? by using its copy-on-write semantics[09:47:07] <robertbb> paulson: Thanks for your help :-)[09:47:11] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[09:47:47] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[09:47:56] <sickness> chowmeined: I think there's some RFE for that, but as of now it simply copies the data like it would happen from two different ufs filesystems...[09:48:14] <sickness> (and then it removes the old data from the source fs)[09:48:33] <chowmeined> they could do instant copies too id guess[09:48:44] <chowmeined> it'd be like, a per-file clone[09:49:09] *** syd` has quit IRC[09:49:11] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[09:49:16] <sickness> maybe, I don't know about that[09:49:46] <chowmeined> like how modern OSes implement fork()[09:50:21] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:51:25] *** Ollie_R has quit IRC[09:57:05] *** gaveen_ has quit IRC[09:57:30] <e^ipi> chowmeined: every write on ZFS is COW[09:57:39] <e^ipi> some sort of "instant copy" would be a zfs clone[09:57:56] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: < chowmeined> it'd be like, a per-file clone[09:57:58] <chowmeined> e^ipi, yeah but i mean for the tools mv and cp[09:58:06] <e^ipi> ahh, didn't catch that[09:58:17] <flyingparchment> i also would like this feature[09:58:42] <e^ipi> email bonwick ?[09:58:45] <e^ipi> *shrug*[09:58:55] <asyd> well, I guess we wants to know if there are some blocs rewritten when you a move a file from a dataset to another one[09:59:01] <asyd> s/we/he/[09:59:21] <asyd> s/ 2[09:59:22] <asyd> raa[10:02:28] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[10:03:06] *** thek has joined #opensolaris[10:03:07] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[10:07:28] *** gaveen_ has joined #opensolaris[10:08:53] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris[10:12:33] *** dunc_ has quit IRC[10:14:30] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[10:16:23] *** Teo` has quit IRC[10:16:26] *** Teo`` has joined #opensolaris[10:23:56] *** qiyong has quit IRC[10:24:11] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[10:26:06] *** AxeZ has quit IRC[10:28:02] *** sartek_ has quit IRC[10:28:33] *** gaveen_ has quit IRC[10:29:24] *** gaveen_ has joined #opensolaris[10:32:39] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[10:34:17] *** Teo`` has quit IRC[10:34:48] <trochej> C[10:35:02] <_Lewellyn> U[10:35:16] *** fintanr_2 has joined #opensolaris[10:35:22] <trochej> You broke it again. :)[10:35:25] <trochej> Coffee[10:35:34] <trochej> Want something done? Do it yourself. :)[10:35:51] *** Teo`` has joined #opensolaris[10:36:32] *** fintanr_2 has quit IRC[10:36:56] <tsoome> hm, it seems sun can release more zfs versions than apple can port:P[10:37:07] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[10:38:58] *** msou| has joined #opensolaris[10:39:44] <tsoome> i did create 10gb zvol, exported it with iscsi and now i can use it to exchange data between snv_108 and leopard:D obviously had to create pool on mac.[10:39:59] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:40:40] <Stric> or zpool create -o version=... on the snv[10:40:41] <tsoome> tbh, zpool create is missing one option really[10:41:00] <seanmcg_> there is the -V version option to zpool...[10:41:01] <tsoome> hm, ah, overlooked it.....[10:41:24] <seanmcg_> and what Stric said.[10:42:14] <tsoome> nor manpage[10:42:22] <Stric> because seanmcg_ was wrong, and I'm right :)[10:42:49] <tsoome> :D[10:42:59] <tsoome> yeah, seems so:D[10:43:01] <seanmcg_> man page shows the -V version for using with zpool upgrade..[10:43:06] *** luc__ has quit IRC[10:43:07] <seanmcg_> ;-P[10:43:16] <Stric> upgrade != create :)[10:43:58] *** seanmcg_ has quit IRC[10:45:53] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[10:50:15] *** phimic has quit IRC[10:50:36] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[10:51:58] *** msou| has quit IRC[10:53:32] *** Teo``` has joined #opensolaris[10:56:31] <tsoome> mkay. this zfs over iscsi is slow like a hell:([10:56:38] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[11:00:14] *** Odin- has quit IRC[11:00:27] <tsoome> according to iostat the iscsi lun is 100% busy, while disks backing the volume are only about 40% busy[11:00:46] <Stric> just for testing, try disabling the zil[11:01:03] <Stric> see if that's the problem you need to fix to get it faster[11:02:50] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[11:06:03] *** Teo`` has quit IRC[11:08:01] <tsoome> well, on the fly change with mdb didnt show any difference. also, if zil would be issue, both iscsi lun and disks should be 100% busy. but as disks are about 40% busy, it does mean the iscsi part is the bottleneck there[11:10:18] <monsted> or the iscsi lun just doesn't have a sane value for "busy"[11:10:46] <monsted> %busy only really makes sense for physical devices[11:12:21] *** bjoto has joined #opensolaris[11:13:15] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[11:14:04] <tsoome> mkay. this test was retarded btw:D i had iscsi lun mounted into the same host where it was exported[11:14:37] *** sartek has quit IRC[11:15:33] <tsoome> copy from mac to iscsi lun on b108 is whole different story[11:15:37] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[11:16:41] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[11:18:55] <robertbb> different better?[11:19:25] <tsoome> yep, way better[11:19:51] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC[11:19:54] <tsoome> with zil disabled at server side the network is the bottleneck[11:21:09] <tsoome> with zil enabled at server side, its like 2x slower[11:21:35] <tsoome> quite expected numbers i guess[11:21:59] <Andys^> tsoome: what about reading? should be network bottleneck too?[11:29:07] <tsoome> will check as soon as the write will be done[11:29:56] *** vipe has quit IRC[11:30:21] *** wilbury has quit IRC[11:32:55] *** prdelka_ has joined #opensolaris[11:33:27] *** stoxx has joined #opensolaris[11:33:47] *** vipe has joined #opensolaris[11:33:53] *** jkimball5 has joined #opensolaris[11:34:21] <trochej> $PREFFERRED_DRINK ayone?[11:34:43] *** wilbury has joined #opensolaris[11:34:53] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** prammy has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** _Steve_ has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** Gnu_Raiz has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** stoxx_ has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** Alasdair has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** _dsw has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** j0nas has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** szt has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** otep has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** prdelka has quit IRC[11:34:53] *** skullone_ has quit IRC[11:35:01] *** j0nas has joined #opensolaris[11:35:02] *** prammy has joined 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#opensolaris[11:44:11] *** Roums has quit IRC[11:47:33] *** Alasdair has joined #opensolaris[11:47:35] <tsoome> have to say mac implementation is quite raw still - after few file copy jobs, the finder will refuse to copy files from zfs volume - its telling the file might be removed:D[11:48:02] <tsoome> cp from shell will work ok still[11:48:04] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: meh. so it's like webdav and ftp and nfs and... ;)[11:48:29] *** prdelka_ has quit IRC[11:48:33] <tsoome> ah, those have same issues?[11:48:44] *** _dsw has joined #opensolaris[11:48:48] *** _Steve_ has joined #opensolaris[11:48:49] <tsoome> then the fs event system or something is fucked.[11:49:13] <tsoome> zpool export and import did enable finder again btw.[11:49:24] <_Lewellyn> it's better in 10.5 than it has been in the past[11:49:34] <_Lewellyn> i'm waiting for the 10.6 finder, more than anything else[11:50:02] <_Lewellyn> i swear the current finder exists to prove that you can write a "real" app with carbon :)[11:50:03] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris[11:50:15] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[11:50:16] <timeless> heh[11:50:53] <_Lewellyn> in fact during public beta, they made a big deal out of the fact that the finder was carbon to give people confidence that carbon wasn't going away anytime soon[11:51:00] <_Lewellyn> (like opendoc did...)[11:54:01] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[11:59:54] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[12:00:35] *** prammy has joined #opensolaris[12:00:56] *** slax1975_ has joined #opensolaris[12:03:01] *** c00p has joined #opensolaris[12:03:30] *** setien has quit IRC[12:05:09] *** Teo``` has quit IRC[12:08:30] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[12:09:17] *** slax1975_ has quit IRC[12:17:17] *** gaveen_ has quit IRC[12:20:55] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[12:22:42] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[12:23:31] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[12:25:34] <chowmeined> but carbon is going away[12:26:05] <trochej> :)[12:26:08] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[12:26:12] <trochej> Coffee isn't[12:26:29] <chowmeined> whats that[12:27:54] <trochej> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee[12:28:15] <chowmeined> :-/[12:28:17] *** jgracin has joined #opensolaris[12:28:19] <chowmeined> i thought we were talking mac frameworks[12:28:33] <chowmeined> i know what coffee is[12:30:14] <Tempt> Aaah, but do you?[12:30:18] <Tempt> The fine art of coffee.[12:31:01] <chowmeined> im drinking tea[12:32:37] <trochej> Then you don't know about coffee[12:33:45] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[12:34:28] *** rohini has left #opensolaris[12:37:50] <danielito> hm. how would I mount a samba share so that a user may get read and write permission to that folder?[12:38:10] <danielito> i tried by mounting as user in a user directory, but the directory automatically get's the rights of root:root[12:38:19] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[12:38:47] <_Lewellyn> ow. that sucked :([12:39:19] <_Lewellyn> for some reason wifi died, and i couldn't find any APs even with dladm. restarting nwam didn't help.[12:39:29] <_Lewellyn> ended up rebooting :([12:46:07] *** Kitty_ is now known as Kitty[12:48:22] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[12:50:36] <tsoome> next time just modunload the driver[12:50:59] <tsoome> should do the trick[12:51:37] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:53:26] *** shircbot has quit IRC[12:53:42] <seanmcg> svcadm disable nwam; ifconfig -a unplumb (or what workds :); modunload -i 0; modunload -i 0; svcadm enable nwam[12:54:30] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[12:54:44] <_Lewellyn> seanmcg: that's about what i tried :P[12:55:20] <tsoome> did you check if your adapters driver was really unloaded?[12:55:48] <_Lewellyn> no. but i was having other "weird" issues and was meaning to reboot anyhow[12:56:02] <_Lewellyn> like my ntfs filesystem was missing half its files and i couldn't unmount it[12:56:32] <thek> Anyone here have experience with Boost Graph Lib ?[12:56:45] <_Lewellyn> i don't know the magic behind FSWfsmisc, so i didn't want to force a dismount[12:57:53] <_Lewellyn> find + ntfs = bad mojo[12:58:02] *** e1mer has quit IRC[13:04:40] *** anilg has quit IRC[13:16:05] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[13:16:22] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[13:22:17] <trochej> kawa[13:27:15] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[13:27:32] <trochej> Welcome, Mister Prime Minister[13:31:49] *** ejat has joined #opensolaris[13:35:24] *** sartek has quit IRC[13:35:44] <danielito> you know what[13:35:52] <danielito> i like opensolaris[13:36:37] <trochej> wow[13:36:43] <trochej> Could you elaborate? :)[13:37:54] <danielito> heh. i don't know. i started with dos, came to windows. switched to linux for several years and switched back to windows due to compatibily issues with my company. now I just tried opensolaris for like 2 days and all the compatibily issues seem to solve by itself[13:38:09] <danielito> plus i have a "real" operating system under the hodd ;)[13:38:31] <trochej> Why " ? :)[13:38:33] <asyd> 2 days..[13:38:33] <asyd> :)[13:39:03] <danielito> trochej: well. because windows has some major disadvantages, though it should be consideres as a real os i think[13:39:12] <danielito> at least it makes millions of customors feel happy[13:39:20] <trochej> Yup[13:39:42] <asyd> well, the main problems of windows is lack of unix[13:39:50] <trochej> Yup again[13:39:52] <trochej> Kawa?[13:39:56] <asyd> +1 :)[13:40:20] <trochej> Ha![13:40:33] <danielito> but the big plus of windows is compatibility[13:40:37] <trochej> I kewn someone was going to learn at least one Polish word![13:40:45] <trochej> danielito: #define compatibility[13:40:46] <trochej> :)[13:40:52] <trochej> s/kewn/knew/[13:40:58] <asyd> kawa?[13:41:08] <trochej> asyd: coffee == kawa[13:41:14] <asyd> we use it in french too (at least, if it means coffe)[13:41:19] <danielito> trochej: take any network storage, take any graphics adapter and take any whatever weird network printer solution, with windows you'll come through[13:41:35] <trochej> asyd: It is close to original (Turkish?)[13:41:49] <asyd> ok, that may explain :)[13:41:57] <danielito> with linux or bsd-based systems you sometimes have to take some little. let's say functionality cuts[13:42:11] <trochej> danielito: Ah, but then take any good network storage or any good VGA, or any good printer and it works with (Open)Solaris[13:42:15] <trochej> And works well[13:42:17] <danielito> true[13:42:29] <danielito> but sometimes this decision is not yours[13:43:00] <danielito> but anyway. didn't wanted to start a os discussion. just wanted to express that I'm happy that I considered to try opensolaris[13:43:05] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[13:45:43] <trochej> danielito: Yes, decision sometimes lies aout of our hands. :)[13:45:56] *** ken-work has quit IRC[13:46:25] <trochej> danielito: On the other hand, compatibility as I like it in Solaris is that I used a compiled driver for sol 8 in sxce and it just worked[13:49:03] <danielito> well. sounds good :)[13:49:30] <trochej> It is[13:49:55] <tsoome> nice. Xorg is dead.[13:50:18] <tsoome> first time i see hung X[13:50:18] <asyd> Xorg is dead?[13:50:35] <tsoome> even ctrl-alt-bs doesnt kill it[13:51:20] <trochej> tsoome: I often had this problem with flickr and many opened tabs[13:52:00] <tsoome> year 2009 and they cant make it work...[13:52:18] *** e-jat has quit IRC[13:56:10] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[13:56:25] *** balbirs has joined #opensolaris[13:59:30] *** GNUix has quit IRC[13:59:37] <balbirs> how to configure PPPoE using ADSL ?[13:59:45] <exl> don't[14:00:13] <asyd> pppoe \o/[14:00:22] <asyd> that's remember 10 years ago[14:00:26] <exl> http://blogs.sun.com/jerrytan/entry/how_to_setup_adsl_on[14:00:27] *** yarihm has quit IRC[14:01:32] *** Jiraia has quit IRC[14:01:40] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[14:02:27] <tsoome> hm, what was broken in 108? iscsi?[14:04:25] <exl> cifs[14:04:34] <tsoome> ah ok[14:04:38] *** ken1 has left #opensolaris[14:04:41] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[14:04:50] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[14:06:29] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[14:08:20] *** balbir1 has joined #opensolaris[14:11:17] *** bigjocker has quit IRC[14:11:30] *** Odin- has quit IRC[14:18:38] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[14:18:52] *** ejat has quit IRC[14:19:55] *** held has quit IRC[14:21:27] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[14:24:45] <kibibyte> <kibibyte> how to change timezone in opensolaris[14:24:45] <kibibyte> <kibibyte> help[14:24:45] <kibibyte> <kibibyte> when i run date its 1 hour back form my time[14:25:16] *** balbirs has quit IRC[14:25:28] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[14:26:46] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[14:27:05] <Tempt> kibibyte: Did you google it?[14:27:50] <kibibyte> yes they say to edit /etc/TIMEZONE[14:27:55] <Tempt> well[14:27:57] <Tempt> chop-chop.[14:28:10] <tomww> grep TZ /etc/default/init[14:28:22] <tomww> we are on Solaris :-)[14:28:45] <Tempt> /etc/TIMEZONE -> ./default/init*[14:28:49] <tomww> ans /etc/TIMEZONE is a symlink[14:28:51] <tomww> as said[14:28:54] <kibibyte> i changes it[14:28:57] *** carl- has quit IRC[14:28:59] <kibibyte> but my time is still bad[14:29:12] <kibibyte> :/[14:29:18] <tomww> but I've seen systems harmed by: mv /etc/TIMEZONE /etc/TIMEZONE.orig[14:29:30] *** held has joined #opensolaris[14:29:48] <tomww> activating needs a reboot, since all processes inherit these $TZ from init[14:30:03] <kibibyte> i dont want reboot[14:30:13] <tomww> then do an:[14:30:19] <tomww> export TZ=yourneTZ[14:30:20] <tomww> exec bash[14:30:23] <flyingparchment> it's not option, that's what "need" means[14:30:24] <tomww> here you are[14:30:31] <kibibyte> tomww, but what should i place i this file[14:30:39] <kibibyte> whats my timezone[14:30:42] <kibibyte> im from poland[14:31:25] *** luc^ has quit IRC[14:31:40] <kibibyte> TZ=Poland[14:31:40] <kibibyte> CMASK=022[14:31:40] <kibibyte> LANG=en_US.UTF-8[14:31:43] <Tempt> Alright, the first hit from Google told you to look in /usr/share/lib/zoneinfo/[14:31:51] <kibibyte> but its 1 hour late[14:31:52] <kibibyte> :/[14:32:03] <Tempt> Maybe Poland is an hour late? ;-)[14:32:04] <tomww> I'm shocked :-) there is alos /etc/rtc_config[14:32:07] <Tempt> DST?[14:32:08] <tomww> *also[14:32:19] <Tempt> tomww: Not on SPARC it would appear.[14:32:26] <tomww> do an "man TIMEZONE[14:32:36] *** balbir1 has quit IRC[14:32:43] <tomww> Tempt: yes, x86 only[14:32:51] <kibibyte> zone_info=Poland[14:32:52] <kibibyte> zone_lag=-3600[14:32:54] <kibibyte> i have x86[14:32:56] <tomww> must have to do with the clock hardware.... maybe[14:33:10] <tomww> zone_info=Europe/Berlin[14:33:10] <tomww> zone_lag=-3600[14:33:20] <Tempt> Let me check my lone x86 host[14:33:27] <Tempt> very similar.[14:33:42] <kibibyte> so why im 1 haour in past[14:33:46] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[14:33:52] *** goo1 has joined #opensolaris[14:33:57] *** goo1 has left #opensolaris[14:33:58] <kibibyte> Thu Mar 5 13:33:35 CET 2009[14:34:07] <Tempt> Does Poland indulge in daylight saving time?[14:34:18] <kibibyte> yeah[14:34:25] <kibibyte> we have winter time and summer time[14:34:40] <asyd> one of worst idea of human[14:35:21] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[14:35:22] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[14:35:24] <kibibyte> why its saving lot of money[14:35:42] *** balbirs has joined #opensolaris[14:35:55] <tomww> it doesn't[14:35:57] <asyd> really?[14:36:06] <kibibyte> yeah[14:36:13] <kibibyte> you dont use eletricity so much[14:36:19] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[14:36:28] <kibibyte> on street lights etc[14:36:54] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[14:37:01] <tomww> I don't know any automatic streetlight lumi switch which knows a daylight saving time...[14:37:25] <tomww> one would have to build a solaris embedded system into the streetlight to have taht[14:38:01] <kibibyte> its not the point[14:38:34] <Tempt> I hate DST. It's stupid.[14:38:42] <Tempt> And they keep changing it, so every year another TZ patch.[14:38:54] <kibibyte> youre not waisting daylight[14:38:55] <Tempt> One year, we estimated DST changes cost the business over $10m[14:38:56] <kibibyte> so much[14:39:29] <Tempt> And rolling TZ files for the 2.5.1 boxes and crap .. oh, it was hell.[14:39:40] <Tempt> kibibyte: Anyway, is this a production server or your desktop?[14:40:52] <kibibyte> production[14:40:52] *** nightstrike_ has joined #opensolaris[14:41:33] <Tempt> Well, that sucks. Means you can't just change the clock and look the other way.[14:41:54] <kibibyte> but why im in TZ Poland and im 1 hour late[14:41:59] <kibibyte> :/[14:42:03] *** wewek has quit IRC[14:42:04] *** wms has joined #opensolaris[14:42:14] *** nachox has quit IRC[14:42:39] *** anilg1 has quit IRC[14:42:52] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[14:43:13] <Tempt> Is the system clock set correctly?[14:43:23] <kibibyte> how to check it[14:43:44] <Tempt> TZ=UTC;date[14:44:04] <kibibyte> Thu Mar 5 12:43:41 UTC 2009[14:44:10] *** axisys has quit IRC[14:44:17] <Tempt> Thu Mar 5 13:45:40 UTC 2009[14:44:19] <Tempt> Say[14:44:24] <Tempt> Your clock may well be wrong.[14:44:25] <Tempt> by[14:44:28] <Tempt> about an hour.[14:44:32] <kibibyte> how to set it[14:44:55] <Tempt> Bear in mind that some things may get annoyed at a sudden clock change[14:44:59] <Tempt> then read the date man page.[14:46:05] <kibibyte> but it setes it permanently?[14:46:18] <Tempt> Yes,[14:46:20] <Tempt> it does.[14:46:26] <Tempt> (well, until someone else resets it)[14:46:32] <Tempt> (excluding NTP variations, here)[14:49:52] <tsoome> ntpdate[14:50:11] <Tempt> That relies on connectivity to a working NTP server.[14:50:12] <seanmcg> rdate[14:50:17] <asyd> ntpd[14:50:33] <tsoome> there are loads of working public ntp servers[14:50:46] <tsoome> ntp.yourisp[14:50:55] <kibibyte> hm[14:50:56] <asyd> pool.ntp.org[14:51:18] <Tempt> Yeah, and most production hosts are behind firewalls ...[14:51:23] <Tempt> (well, in my world, anyway)[14:51:25] <kibibyte> disabled Mar_04 svc:/network/ntp:default[14:51:28] <kibibyte> enable it?[14:51:40] <Tempt> Don't enable it without knowing what you're doing.[14:51:45] <lblume> Read and understand the manual first.[14:51:45] <kibibyte> why not[14:51:46] <kibibyte> :d[14:51:53] *** anilg has quit IRC[14:51:54] <Tempt> If you want to change the time, just change it, and work out how to handle NTP sync later.[14:51:54] <lblume> NTP is a complicated beast.[14:52:19] <kibibyte> how to connect to atomic clock in geneva[14:52:26] <asyd> kibibyte: you have ntp.client iirc, just edit it, it's perfect for a simple client[14:52:30] <flyingparchment> echo 'server 0.pool.ntp.org' >/etc/inet/ntp.conf; svcadm enable ntp[14:52:35] <flyingparchment> done.[14:52:44] <asyd> I suggess restrict 127.0.0.1 but it's ok :)[14:53:02] <Tempt> (this is where we find his site has GPS clock)[14:53:15] <kibibyte> i enabled it but my time is still wrong[14:53:20] <lblume> asyd: ntp.client is to set up a multicast client[14:53:32] <Tempt> This is also why I'm damn glad I don't work in operations any more; people with root on production hosts pulling stunts like this.[14:53:35] <lblume> Useless in most cases.[14:53:58] <kibibyte> flyingparchment,[14:54:38] <asyd> ah yes, funny, it's not the one I remember.[14:54:39] <lblume> kibibyte: *even* if you had read the man, and understood it, it would take *at least* 3 minutes to synchonise. .[14:54:54] <kibibyte> oh[14:54:57] <asyd> and you should run ntpdate before start ntpd[14:54:59] <kibibyte> ill wait[14:54:59] <kibibyte> :d[14:55:17] <lblume> And in your particular case, it NTP won't even synchronise, even if it's set up perfectly, because 1 hour is too much a shift for the Solaris version.[14:55:31] <kibibyte> damn[14:55:51] <lblume> You have to run date manually, as you were advised a bunch of lines ago.[14:56:12] <kibibyte> ok[14:56:22] <lblume> Then, on the comming weekend, assuming you dont have any family and Real Life to take care of, you'll read what you need to learn about NTP.[14:56:47] <Tempt> kibibyte: Do you own any cowboy boots?[14:57:11] <tsoome> man ntpdate, you can force it:P[14:57:13] <kibibyte> no[14:57:19] <kibibyte> why[14:58:04] * Tempt shakes his head.[14:58:55] <kibibyte> date -s 050320091500[14:58:55] <kibibyte> date: invalid date `050320091500'[15:00:12] <kibibyte> damn[15:04:34] *** nightstrike_ has quit IRC[15:08:14] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[15:08:25] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[15:09:22] <lblume> kibibyte: To complete your homework, you'll find out why the GPS clock is lagging behind UTC, and real the whole of /usr/share/lib/zoneinfo/src/europe for added knowledge. There might be a test next week. 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Normal Behavior in OSOL?[15:30:08] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[15:30:09] <trochej> If it is consistent, then probably normal. :)[15:30:30] *** MattMan has quit IRC[15:30:34] <dguitar> Tried it many times so far using various scripts, same thing everytime[15:33:07] <timsf> Vanuatoo: fc-cache -fv[15:33:32] <Vanuatoo> timsf, thanks[15:33:39] <asyd> dguitar: it's more a shell configuration[15:33:50] *** qiyong has quit IRC[15:34:23] <dguitar> asyd: interesting, can I change this behavior or no?[15:35:02] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[15:35:03] <asyd> well, I don't know for bash[15:36:12] <dguitar> asyd: ok i'll do a little research, thanks[15:37:34] *** Leal has joined #opensolaris[15:37:52] <Leal> Hello all..[15:38:00] <asarch> Hi Leal[15:40:02] <seanmcg> dguitar, man nohug[15:40:05] <seanmcg> dguitar, man nohup[15:40:07] <seanmcg> even[15:40:12] *** luc^ has quit IRC[15:40:45] <trichobezoar> nohug. nice.[15:41:17] <dguitar> seanmcg, thanks :D[15:42:08] *** yarihm has quit IRC[15:42:17] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[15:42:27] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[15:44:04] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[15:45:17] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[15:47:02] *** balbirs has quit IRC[15:48:17] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[15:48:50] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[15:51:35] *** Jiraia has quit IRC[15:51:42] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:52:23] *** Dar has quit IRC[15:52:37] <trochej> seanmcg: nohug?[15:52:39] <trochej> Khm[15:56:19] *** jsoft has quit IRC[15:57:23] <TomJ> Is it possible to make a Solaris 10 installation DVD which includes FLAR content also? Would it be as simple as putting the FLAR file into the root of the disk and removing the contents of Solaris_10/Product/* (to make space) ?[15:58:01] *** thek has quit IRC[15:58:13] *** mcepl has joined #opensolaris[15:58:23] *** bjoto has joined #opensolaris[16:03:19] <seanmcg> trochej, s/nohug/nohup/, can't type todya[16:04:02] <trochej> seanmcg: The problem is, Solaris IS nohug type of system. You make a mistake, you suffer and no one hugs you. :)[16:04:03] <mcepl> is it possible to upgrade WITHOUT creating new boot environment? I have limited space in teh virtual machine and I am afraid that 2.1GB is not enough for upgrade from 2008.11 to development repo.[16:04:49] <trochej> mcepl: I think you may be able to pkg install entire and it won't create new be, but then you may lack space to download image[16:04:57] *** ken1 has left #opensolaris[16:05:00] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[16:05:12] *** ken1 has quit IRC[16:05:30] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[16:05:48] <mcepl> also Package Manager badly needs size column[16:05:59] *** tsylla has joined #opensolaris[16:06:43] *** MattMan has quit IRC[16:07:18] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] <mcepl> (aside from many many others things it needs ;-))[16:07:54] <mcepl> (sorry, cannot resist; no flamewar intended, just ranting)[16:08:14] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[16:08:35] <trochej> mcepl: WIP, you can go and fill RFE :)[16:08:48] <mcepl> WIP?[16:08:49] *** ken` has joined #opensolaris[16:09:49] <trochej> Work In Progress[16:09:56] <timsf> mcepl: can you attach a larger disk to the VM, zfs send/recv your current BE to that disk, pkg -R <new pool>/BE image-update; then send the resulting upgraded dataset locally?[16:10:03] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[16:10:06] <timsf> (sort of means being able to boot from that other disk)[16:10:20] <timsf> - I do this dance every other build when image-updating my 4gb eeepc.[16:10:32] <mcepl> hmm, that's virtual machine ... let me think[16:11:15] *** jwk404 has joined #opensolaris[16:11:24] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[16:11:39] <timsf> (I've got an external 30gb usb disk which I use as a temporay bootable device, just enough to image upgrade, then send the resulting dataset back to the internal disk)[16:12:02] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[16:12:13] *** weirdmf_ has quit IRC[16:13:35] <mcepl> I am running Fedora 10 (being @redhat.com it is kind of understandable ;-)) and in kvm I have opensolaris on special LVM volume. Hmm, let me think.[16:15:00] *** ken1 has left #opensolaris[16:15:24] <timeless> timsf: cute[16:15:50] <timeless> timsf: do you send the whole volume, or do you snapshot and send the snapshot?[16:17:29] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:17:48] <timsf> just the snapshot[16:17:58] *** erflungued has joined #opensolaris[16:18:39] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[16:19:11] *** yarihm has quit IRC[16:20:09] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[16:20:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[16:20:18] *** jsalisbury has joined #opensolaris[16:24:08] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[16:24:39] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[16:27:42] *** ken` has quit IRC[16:28:52] *** warrenstrange has joined #opensolaris[16:31:55] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[16:33:30] *** ken`` has joined #opensolaris[16:35:08] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[16:35:43] <tsylla> is there a way to limit my CPU's operating frequency? I have several listed in support_frequencies_Hz[16:43:58] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[16:47:27] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris[16:48:12] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[16:50:05] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[16:55:13] *** prdelka has quit IRC[16:55:22] *** prdelka has joined #opensolaris[16:57:01] *** exl has quit IRC[16:58:27] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[16:58:51] <CIA-40> Roland Mainz <roland.mainz at nrubsig dot org>: 6799167 real gcc build fails in libshell[17:01:02] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[17:02:40] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[17:03:15] *** asarch has quit IRC[17:04:17] *** warrenstrange has quit IRC[17:05:40] *** clebig has joined #opensolaris[17:05:50] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[17:06:27] *** balbirs has joined #opensolaris[17:07:01] *** phimic has quit IRC[17:08:14] <trichobezoar> tsylla: this may help, especially the first link - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=EfmvSfilGojBnQf0lcHTBQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=opensolaris+limit+cpu+frequency&spell=1[17:09:26] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[17:09:46] <trichobezoar> although its not explicitly what you asked for, to throttle[17:10:37] *** acruz has joined #opensolaris[17:13:20] *** tsylla has quit IRC[17:13:26] *** myosound_ has joined #opensolaris[17:14:07] *** myosound_ has quit IRC[17:14:17] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[17:14:22] *** myosound_ has joined #opensolaris[17:15:08] *** myosound_ has quit IRC[17:15:28] *** myosound_ has joined #opensolaris[17:15:43] *** houst0n_ has quit IRC[17:15:45] *** tsylla has joined #opensolaris[17:17:30] <tsylla> trichobezoar: yeah, I have looked into the cpupm settings, but it seems that it only does on-demand scaling. I'll ask on the Tesla list to see if there are any new developments[17:18:05] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:18:25] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[17:18:43] <danielito> anyone running eclipse of you guys?[17:18:51] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:19:24] *** jgracin has quit IRC[17:23:39] *** bjoto has quit IRC[17:24:52] *** wdp__ has quit IRC[17:26:21] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[17:28:24] *** niq has quit IRC[17:29:26] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[17:31:14] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[17:31:35] *** bjoto has joined #opensolaris[17:32:14] *** Carmaicol has joined #opensolaris[17:33:08] *** danielito has left #opensolaris[17:34:37] <crichardso> hmm did something change to iscsi on 108?[17:35:04] <crichardso> all of a suddent i cant use zfs set shareiscsi and the tools like iscsiadm are missing[17:39:17] <e^ipi> things change all the time[17:39:23] <e^ipi> here, have a bug that just putback[17:39:25] <e^ipi> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6803343[17:40:27] <tsoome> crichardso: i did play around with iscsi & 108 and mac as a client today...[17:40:48] <e^ipi> tsoome: makes a great timemachine target, no?[17:40:51] <tsoome> guess your install/upgrade messed up something[17:41:00] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[17:41:17] <tsoome> i think it does, altho im having hds sms100 for it atm[17:41:35] <tsoome> iscsi is not the best for timemachine tbh[17:41:43] <e^ipi> eh, it's fine[17:41:55] <tsoome> it works but its pita really[17:42:00] <e^ipi> and my zpool has a terabyte and a half of space[17:42:17] <e^ipi> so... a bit better than some hacky removable drive[17:43:01] <tsoome> i have laptop and it means i have to remember disconnect iscsi target all the time i suspend it[17:43:20] <e^ipi> the only frustrating bit is the client doesn't recognize network remval = disk removal[17:43:21] <e^ipi> yeah, that[17:43:57] <tsoome> other than it - its just fine[17:44:04] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[17:44:16] *** erflungued has quit IRC[17:44:26] *** Teo` has joined #opensolaris[17:44:47] <tsoome> i had fun with zfs today on mac, was working pretty nice[17:45:09] <e^ipi> the automounter doesn't jive with it[17:45:31] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[17:45:42] <e^ipi> so pool/fs/subfs ends up confusing everything[17:45:44] *** balbirs has left #opensolaris[17:45:50] <tsoome> yep[17:46:10] <tsoome> integration is halfway done, but they can improve it i can imagine:D[17:48:09] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[17:48:34] *** tamr has quit IRC[17:50:20] *** Garcon_ has joined #opensolaris[17:50:41] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[17:52:32] *** anilg has quit IRC[17:54:55] *** yopeda has joined #opensolaris[17:56:46] *** Leal has left #opensolaris[17:57:23] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[17:57:32] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[17:58:12] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris[17:58:53] <CIA-40> Mark Maybee <Mark.Maybee at Sun dot COM>: 6801979 zfs recv can fail with E2BIG[17:59:46] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[18:01:25] <crichardso> isnt it possible to create several mirrors than raidz the mirrors togher? i cant find what ever i thought i read about doing that[18:02:22] <Stric> not "natively"[18:02:37] *** cwebber has quit IRC[18:02:56] <Stric> you can do various hacks, like mirror disks with SVM and then raidz those.. or create a bunch of mirrored pools, create zvols in them and then raidz those[18:03:05] <Stric> all with various amounts of performance loss[18:04:07] <crichardso> oh hmm wow i must be lossing it[18:04:26] *** marcin__ has quit IRC[18:04:27] <holcomb> LOSING[18:04:52] <timsf> google: timf idliketobuytheworldacoke :-)[18:06:11] <seanmcg> thanks timf, I'll take one :)[18:06:12] <e^ipi> Stric: are you on crack?[18:06:31] <Stric> e^ipi: don't think so[18:06:42] <bda> Why would you do that?[18:06:43] <e^ipi> zpool create foo mirror c0d0 c0d1 mirror c0d2 c0d3 mirror c0d4 c0d5[18:06:52] <Stric> e^ipi: read the question again.[18:06:54] <seanmcg> 'cause you can'..[18:06:55] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: he wants a raidz of mirrors[18:07:02] <Stric> raidz != stripe[18:07:13] <bda> seanmcg: Dubious reasoning![18:07:23] <e^ipi> ahh...[18:07:28] *** tdh has joined #opensolaris[18:07:37] <e^ipi> silly me parsed it such that it made sense[18:07:38] <Stric> so no.. I'm not on crack. drinking some red bull though.[18:07:50] <bda> So you have wings.[18:07:52] <bda> Get the winged freak![18:08:07] <e^ipi> i missed flugtag when it was in vancouver[18:08:28] <e^ipi> ( redbull just reminded me of it )[18:08:32] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris[18:08:38] <seanmcg> bda, if theres nothing to stop one trying, then why not try it :) Free will and all that. Doesn't mean its right :)[18:08:55] <flyingparchment> seanmcg: did you know it's possible to jump off a cliff?[18:08:59] <bda> No such thing as free will. We are all slaves to our meat.[18:09:00] *** yarihm has quit IRC[18:09:01] <e^ipi> seanmcg: EDONOTACCEPTYOURAXIOM[18:09:11] <e^ipi> i'm with bda[18:09:16] <e^ipi> free will is an illusion[18:09:50] <holcomb> it only exists within the narrow context of human understanding.[18:10:02] <bda> I'm going to a CBT specialist. She's teaching me how to perform ring0 attacks on my hindbrain.[18:10:45] <e^ipi> drinking a bottle of robutussin and waking up 3 days later in a different state?[18:10:54] <bda> No, that's just being a doof.[18:11:07] <trichobezoar> You still have the free will to be your own man and not be a slave to your meat[18:11:13] <trichobezoar> although you'll end up dead[18:11:15] <e^ipi> trichobezoar: incorrect.[18:11:24] <e^ipi> see: science[18:11:49] <bda> Where "meat" in this context is your brain. Consciousness is pretty recent in evolutionary terms. It's expensive and sort of pointless.[18:11:54] *** asarch has quit IRC[18:12:12] <bda> Still reading that quit msg as "holding a wolf by the arse."[18:12:19] <e^ipi> not understanding a complex system doesn't mean it acts contrary to natural law[18:12:22] *** narmac has quit IRC[18:12:38] *** ken``_ has joined #opensolaris[18:13:24] <bda> But, basically, you identify what your body is telling you and then generate some sort of interrupt to break the loop your brain is in.[18:13:33] <bda> It sounds kinda wishy-washy, but works insofar as I can tell.[18:14:08] *** ken`` has quit IRC[18:14:29] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[18:15:19] <axisys> how do I make sure every user in a group can overwrite files in a folder? i have done setgid[18:15:25] <axisys> do I have to make sure umask is 002 for every user ?[18:16:00] <Stric> you can probably set some default acl's on the dir[18:16:07] *** stevel has quit IRC[18:16:11] *** tdh has quit IRC[18:16:13] <Stric> which won't help if people are doing their own chmods afterwards[18:16:49] <axisys> Stric: they are just scping files and later scping w/ new version of file .. they are not playing w/ chmod[18:16:51] <seanmcg> e^pi tell that to end-users...[18:17:33] <Stric> axisys: you can set a default acl on a dir, which affects what permissions new files/dirs in that dir will get[18:17:37] <axisys> Stric: http://pastebin.com/d4e6790c1[18:17:50] <axisys> Stric: that is how the dir looks like now..[18:17:57] <axisys> Stric: what can I change to?[18:18:25] *** clebig has quit IRC[18:18:48] <Stric> axisys: from one of my old mails: http://pastebin.com/m6e60e58f[18:19:02] <Stric> the trick is the d:<blah> stuff.. "default" acls..[18:19:02] *** calumb has quit IRC[18:19:13] <Stric> syntax is a bit .. "interesting"..[18:19:32] *** Azhax has joined #opensolaris[18:19:55] <axisys> Stric: gotcha[18:20:43] <Stric> this is for old posix draft acls.. (UFS/linux/...) that is..[18:20:56] <Stric> with ZFS, they're different.. see man chmod ;)[18:22:06] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[18:22:10] <axisys> Stric: i am doing man on setfacl[18:22:12] *** MyAzhax has quit IRC[18:25:31] <e^ipi> axisys: next do one on chmod[18:25:36] <e^ipi> because setfacl is old and busted[18:25:47] <trichobezoar> /usr/bin/chmod[18:25:56] <trichobezoar> man /usr/bin/chmod != man chmod[18:26:12] <e^ipi> it is if your $PATH isn't retarded[18:26:35] <crichardso> did the java zfs admin gui thing ever get merged to opensolaris?[18:26:41] *** mcepl has left #opensolaris[18:26:52] <trichobezoar> It's retarded by defualt on OS[18:26:58] *** bjoto has quit IRC[18:27:04] <axisys> so chmod 0020 /path/to/dir should suffice ?[18:27:07] <flyingparchment> that's opensolaris new slogan[18:27:10] <flyingparchment> "retarded by default"[18:27:20] <flyingparchment> it's like secure by default, but betterer[18:27:33] <nachox> hahaha[18:28:45] <nachox> we're using lots of gnu tools just because they came with the ones that differed substantially with linux' ones ... chmod is painful like this[18:29:27] <e^ipi> nachox: enumerate your complaints with the userland[18:29:30] <Stric> axisys: not even close[18:29:35] <e^ipi> there are obscure flags that nobody uses[18:29:42] <e^ipi> and then there's like... grep -r[18:30:10] <e^ipi> the first is safely ignored, the second should be remedied[18:30:41] <nachox> those obscure flags are what make acls in zfs useful[18:30:50] <axisys> Stric: i did chmod 0770 /path/to/dir .. still no go[18:30:56] <e^ipi> i was talking about the obscure flags in GNU but not /usr/bin[18:31:12] <e^ipi> i don't care what the gnu tools lack, because they won't take patches anyways[18:31:21] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[18:31:27] <e^ipi> so they can just go away[18:32:04] <nachox> i'd remove the ones that do not fit into the linux familiarity slogan[18:32:54] <e^ipi> what?[18:33:22] <Stric> axisys: that will just change /path/to/dir, not newly created stuff there.. you still need to create a "default ACL".. that's the name, not just a concept[18:33:52] <axisys> Stric: i dont see default ACL in chmod .. hmm[18:34:21] <e^ipi> it's an acl flag[18:34:24] <e^ipi> inherit or something similar[18:34:42] <Stric> right.. it's called in inherit in ZFS ACLs[18:34:45] <Stric> sorry[18:35:28] *** samc_ has quit IRC[18:35:33] *** stevel_ has quit IRC[18:35:38] *** samc has joined #opensolaris[18:35:46] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[18:35:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[18:35:53] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:36:24] *** tfb has joined #opensolaris[18:36:26] <e^ipi> acl guide: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/gbacb[18:36:54] <e^ipi> (also, i think someone changed the search function on docs.sun.com)[18:36:58] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[18:37:08] <e^ipi> i'm getting results now... useful ones[18:37:08] <e^ipi> not in chinese[18:37:16] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[18:37:16] <Stric> whoa[18:38:27] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[18:38:55] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[18:41:27] <codestr0m> e^ipi: you're absolutely correct. the search results are working now[18:41:49] * codestr0m wonders what changed[18:42:54] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[18:43:40] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[18:43:42] *** esok has left #opensolaris[18:43:56] <codestr0m> oh before I forget the search for aclocal on pkg.o.o == nothing useful.. which package is hiding aclocal cause it's not SUNWaclocal or anything sane like that[18:44:06] <flyingparchment> aclocal comes from automake[18:44:11] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[18:45:09] <axisys> e^ipi: it is a dir on local zone and from global zone i see the fs has aclinherit is set to secure[18:47:01] <codestr0m> flyingparchment: would that be SUNWgnu-automake-110 or SUNWgnu-automake-19 (I suppose I want the bigger number)[18:47:15] <flyingparchment> they're both automake, so it should be in both[18:47:22] <axisys> myosound_: aclmode is set to groupmask[18:47:29] <axisys> my aclmode is set to groupmask[18:47:35] <axisys> myosound_: nm[18:49:34] <spiffytech> Is there a way to get motif working on opensolaris? I'm trying to compile a program that depends on it.[18:49:49] <flyingparchment> use SXCE or openmotif or lesstif[18:50:22] <spiffytech> The program expects openmotif, but I understand lesstif is binary-compatible, so it doesn't matter.[18:50:49] <flyingparchment> if you're compiling form source you don't need binary compatible, you need source compatible[18:51:14] <spiffytech> OK then, I definitely need openmotif :)[18:51:26] <flyingparchment> no, lesstif is source compatible with motif[18:51:34] <flyingparchment> but there's not much point using it when you have open motif[18:52:59] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[18:53:31] <spiffytech> So how can I get openmotif on osol? 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I've never seen it.[20:48:36] <[lewellyn]> interesting. it's not in /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst[20:48:44] <[lewellyn]> so where's it getting that boot option?[20:48:59] <[lewellyn]> x86 is so much black magic :([20:49:09] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[20:49:10] <[lewellyn]> someone needs to port openboot to x86 ;)[20:50:15] <acruz> [lewellyn]: are you volunteering? :_)[20:50:29] <[lewellyn]> i would, if i had half an idea where to start ;)[20:50:41] <acruz> :-([20:51:56] <[lewellyn]> i was hoping a reconfigure would resolve "NOTICE: One or more I/O devices have been retired" since fmadm wasn't being useful[20:52:08] <[lewellyn]> and a reboot finally removed that transient option. yay.[20:52:18] <Stric> [lewellyn]: btw, the command 'reboot' is usually not what you want[20:52:21] <[lewellyn]> wonder why it was panicing[20:52:31] <Stric> It's the "hammer to the head" style of reboot[20:52:33] <[lewellyn]> Stric: yes, i know i should have just done "touch /reconfigure" :)[20:52:36] *** ingenthr1 has joined #opensolaris[20:53:17] *** ingenthr1 is now known as ingenthr[20:53:55] <ingenthr> anyone intimately familiar with ZFS L2ARC out there?[20:54:59] *** twisti has quit IRC[20:56:10] <bigjocker> how stable is ext2 and ext3 support in opensolaris?[20:56:22] <fraggeln> bigjocker: whats wrong with ufs and zfs? :D[20:56:33] <bigjocker> i know it's improving over time, but i don't know how is it right now[20:56:39] <bigjocker> fraggeln, i love zfs[20:56:45] <[lewellyn]> ufs is far more mature than extX :)[20:56:49] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[20:57:00] <bigjocker> but i want to dual boot with ubuntu, and want to share a partition between the two[20:57:51] <bigjocker> i'm not aware of any filesystem that works reliably in linux and opensolaris[20:58:07] <[lewellyn]> fat[20:58:27] <bigjocker> lol[20:58:32] *** javatexan has quit IRC[20:58:37] <[lewellyn]> fat is the lowest-common-denominator, for any given pair of OSes :)[20:58:52] <bigjocker> hehe[20:59:23] <[lewellyn]> you think i'm joking :([20:59:25] *** swa_work has quit IRC[21:00:32] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[21:00:33] *** luc^ has quit IRC[21:00:40] <eviljames> bigjocker: I'm looking at the same thing, excelt slamd64 and opensolaris, [lewellyn] is very much correct.[21:00:46] <eviljames> There is limited ext2 read support afaik[21:01:21] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[21:02:32] <g4lt-lappy> [lewellyn]: no, the lowest common denominator is yellowbook ;P[21:02:46] *** anilg_Zzz has quit IRC[21:03:16] *** fsk141 has joined #opensolaris[21:03:33] *** whits has quit IRC[21:03:47] <wizeman> bigjocker: you can use zfs-fuse in Linux[21:03:47] *** jacksond has joined #opensolaris[21:04:19] <bigjocker> hmm[21:04:47] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[21:04:52] *** Lumberg has joined #opensolaris[21:05:10] *** nachox has quit IRC[21:05:24] <eviljames> wizeman: I don't think that's a good idea, zfs-fuse is not very mature.[21:05:42] <eviljames> Then again, I haven't looked at it in a while so it might have grown up in the meantime..[21:06:10] *** ingenthr has left #opensolaris[21:06:13] <[lewellyn]> g4lt-lappy: redbook works more places. even outside of computers ;)[21:06:28] <tomww> UDF, AFS, ...[21:06:37] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris[21:07:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman[21:07:25] <jbk> hey gman[21:07:45] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[21:07:54] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[21:10:31] <Gman> g'day jbk[21:12:00] *** dmoerner has joined #opensolaris[21:13:06] *** jsoftw has joined #opensolaris[21:13:13] <jsoftw> Good morning class[21:13:42] *** gigasoft has quit IRC[21:15:30] * Lumberg wonders if he's in the wrong class..[21:15:50] *** proberts_ has quit IRC[21:16:03] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[21:16:36] <MrDusty> [dusty[21:16:50] <[lewellyn]> should this worry me? or should i say "f it" and continue along? http://nopaste.info/5957c5d585.html[21:19:29] <jsoftw> [lewellyn]: I dont even know what device that is supposed to be[21:19:44] <[lewellyn]> i *think* it's the nic[21:19:59] <[lewellyn]> i *think* it's complaining that one of the two nics has no connection[21:20:03] <[lewellyn]> which i *could* fix[21:20:03] <jsoftw> lol.[21:20:25] <jsoftw> Danger, Danger! No connection! Save your data! :D[21:20:29] *** bjoto has quit IRC[21:20:50] *** yippi_ has joined #opensolaris[21:23:01] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[21:24:56] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:25:20] *** yippi has quit IRC[21:26:25] *** dunc has quit IRC[21:26:33] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[21:27:39] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[21:28:48] *** Sparcus has joined #opensolaris[21:29:34] *** davismj has left #opensolaris[21:29:52] *** exl_ has quit IRC[21:30:11] *** twisti_ is now known as twisti[21:31:51] *** dunc_ has quit IRC[21:32:36] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[21:34:02] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[21:34:06] *** MindDrive has joined #opensolaris[21:34:29] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[21:35:12] *** sartek has quit IRC[21:35:37] *** yippi__ has joined #opensolaris[21:36:05] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[21:36:13] *** yarihm has quit IRC[21:36:43] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[21:37:46] *** wms has quit IRC[21:37:55] *** kleppari has quit IRC[21:38:38] *** houst0n has joined #opensolaris[21:39:14] <sickness> I'm back[21:39:37] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:39:59] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[21:40:49] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[21:41:16] *** cemerick has quit IRC[21:41:20] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[21:42:02] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[21:42:19] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[21:42:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[21:42:49] *** yippi_ has quit IRC[21:42:57] <jsoftw> He's back ladies and gentlemen, but for one night only. Tickets available from sickness at gmail dot com[21:47:14] *** anilg has quit IRC[21:48:32] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[21:48:40] <[lewellyn]> i'd trust it more if it were jamied123452 at aol dot com[21:50:24] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[21:51:21] *** [lewellyn] has quit IRC[21:52:50] *** trichobezoar has joined #opensolaris[21:52:57] <trichobezoar> Is there a way to see which process is swapping with dtrace?[21:55:23] *** cl4rk3 has quit IRC[21:55:37] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[21:58:09] <Stric> trichobezoar: probably.. not sure how though :)[21:58:53] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[22:01:48] *** mcepl has joined #opensolaris[22:02:08] <mcepl> is there git for OpenSolaris packaged somewhere?[22:02:56] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris[22:03:09] <codestr0m> mcepl: pkg search -r git[22:04:01] <mcepl> oh good! I was trying a couple of months ago and couldn't find it.[22:04:27] <JWheeler> Does anyone know if the overall block storage is the same between iscsi target implementations. I've upgraded from snv_95 which was using the standard iscsiatdm. I can't get that working on snv_106, so i've switched to comstar. My client connects to comstar OK, but is reporting the lun (zvol) as empty[22:05:25] <codestr0m> mcepl: it wasn't there. I blogged on what version to build though so it should have come up in google[22:06:17] *** oninoshik1 has joined #opensolaris[22:06:27] *** sdaven has joined #opensolaris[22:07:17] *** paulson has left #opensolaris[22:08:09] <syd`_> JWheeler: bad news for you, comstar uses the first blocks of the device to store some infos (the lun ID, for istance)[22:08:52] <syd`_> so there are big chances you lost your data[22:08:58] <JWheeler> oh god...you're not telling me that I just killed my partitioning[22:09:09] <syd`_> sorry :([22:09:13] <fkr_> bad day[22:09:16] *** fkr_ is now known as fkr[22:09:18] <oninoshik1> hrm... thats weird[22:09:28] <syd`_> I took a while to figure it out...but tha's it[22:09:32] <JWheeler> I'm a dead man[22:09:48] <fkr> you're a man in need of a backup[22:09:58] <fkr> bad timing to make bad jokes[22:09:59] <fkr> sorry[22:10:03] <oninoshik1> or atleast a snapshot[22:10:08] <fkr> shitshot[22:10:10] <fkr> :)[22:10:29] <mcepl> codestr0m: OK, I don't know if it is because I am stupid or because now I have devel repo, but now it is here. Thanks![22:11:11] <fkr> oh[22:11:12] <JWheeler> I just... argh. that backing store was for my ESX hosts.... I've just lost 9 Virtual machines, and all of their data then[22:11:17] <codestr0m> mcepl: because of /dev most likely.. you can confirm by comparing the online search for git in pkg.os.o and pkg.os.o/dev[22:11:23] <fkr> JWheeler: condolences[22:11:34] <fkr> codestr0m: now that is good news[22:11:45] <fkr> anyone know the eta for crypto zfs?[22:12:02] <syd`_> JWheeler: what FS were you using on zvols?[22:12:07] <JWheeler> vmfs[22:12:17] <syd`_> if ext3 maybe you can try recovering from superblock backup[22:12:26] <codestr0m> fkr: it was pushed back afaik. .they announced on the list.. I think my zfs gsoc thread screwed up priorities[22:12:34] <holcomb> do you have a recent snapshot?[22:12:43] <fkr> codestr0m: google summer of code?[22:12:52] <syd`_> I don't know then[22:12:55] <fkr> codestr0m: which list was that on?[22:13:08] <mcepl> codestr0m: http://www.pastebin.cz/15877 ???[22:13:12] <codestr0m> fkr: zfs-discuss[22:13:16] <fkr> mmmh[22:13:21] <JWheeler> I made the move to iscsi over the much simpler nfs because the nfs performance was so bad. That it turn was caused by the fact that all ESX/vmfs writes are fsynced, so technically nfs/zfs was doing the correct thing, it was just too slow[22:13:40] <fkr> JWheeler: nfs is slow, but reliable :)[22:13:46] <e^ipi> codestr0m: your GSoC thread certainly didn't affect priorities[22:13:48] <fkr> JWheeler: I don't trust things like iscsi yet[22:14:00] <JWheeler> iscsi on the other hand was about 5x faster. I saw just recently a bug report that said that the OS iscsi implementation was actually broken because it was ignoring fsync. lol, so that explains that one[22:14:05] *** pinkpotato has joined #opensolaris[22:14:12] <holcomb> iscsi is fine[22:14:16] *** sdaven has left #opensolaris[22:14:31] *** jfisc has quit IRC[22:14:32] <mcepl> what does this mean? this is my second day with OS, so I am lost with this error message[22:14:34] <codestr0m> e^ipi: indirectly it could have.. people bitching about what they want.. maybe sun would listen?[22:15:12] <JWheeler> but I'm just trying to distract myself from the fact that all my data is gone... man. Today has really sucked. It all started with my solaris file server not even booting due to a disk failure, which is why I had to do an emergency upgrade (fresh install) of snv_106[22:15:26] <e^ipi> doubtful. most likely bonwick was looking for where to dedicate as-yet unallocated resources[22:15:28] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[22:15:29] <JWheeler> and no, no snapshots to answer that question for whoever asked it[22:16:10] <fkr> JWheeler: crucial data?[22:16:16] <fkr> JWheeler: like pr0n collection[22:16:33] <fkr> well, 9 vm's serving pr0n would be boring[22:16:38] <codestr0m> fkr: don't get too excited. I think this is real data[22:16:46] <_Lewellyn> JWheeler: you should have asked before changing implementations. it's generally a bad idea to change how you're using a disk at a low level without knowing all the possible side-effects :([22:16:59] <oninoshik1> syd`_: is there some documention somewhere about comstar useing the disk like that?[22:17:11] <fkr> codestr0m: yeah, I guess, I should really stop[22:17:13] <JWheeler> well 'using' is quite distinct from 'accessing' in my book[22:17:44] <_Lewellyn> JWheeler: would you blindly change hardware raid controllers?[22:17:49] *** xtrondo has joined #opensolaris[22:17:56] <JWheeler> I just can't imagine why they've gone and built it this way. Sure I guess it's my fault for not reading up on the docs better, but I only made the move to comstar out of desperation because the standard userspace one won't work for me any more[22:17:57] <syd`_> oninoshik1: none I found. I had the suspect and figured out hexdumping the device[22:18:08] <pinkpotato> anyone using a lenovo t400 with OS?[22:18:41] <JWheeler> Lewellyn, I still don't see it as the same thing. the block storage, and the method for hosting it hasn't changed, I was just accessing it a different way[22:19:02] <JWheeler> you'd think comstar could at least quickly check to see if there was data in the area it was about to nuke when creating the lu[22:19:05] <oninoshik1> _Lewellyn: it should be actually documented somewhere... this isnt anything near a RAID controller, it's more like changing your (non-raid) sata controller. it's block storage[22:19:20] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[22:19:36] <oninoshik1> although admitadly i dont do things like this on production data-sets[22:19:40] <_Lewellyn> but where is the lun info stored?[22:19:50] <JWheeler> smf? /etc/*[22:19:52] <_Lewellyn> on-disk, no?[22:20:01] <JWheeler> wherever the old iscsitadm was putting it[22:20:20] <JWheeler> it's not a raid, why does it even need to write data to the disks.... the old one didn't?[22:20:22] <_Lewellyn> "wherever it was" isn't sufficient data to go and change things like that[22:20:45] <_Lewellyn> admittedly, i know almost zip about iscsi since it's still immature[22:20:50] <syd`_> JWheeler: it's implemented like that so you could acutally import-export lun's (even across systems) without changing UUID I think[22:20:55] <syd`_> which is a good IDEA[22:21:16] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[22:21:18] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:21:35] <syd`_> as exporting/importing LVM VG's across hosts[22:21:53] <_Lewellyn> anyhow, lunch[22:21:59] <syd`_> bad things[22:22:20] <syd`_> 1)Isn't documented (or I didn't find out)[22:22:26] <oninoshik1> still some documentation would be nice. i just blew a day screwing with it myself, and still would be if i didnt happen into this[22:22:28] <syd`_> 2)It doesn't warn you[22:22:32] <JWheeler> iscsi predates zfs, so I'd be careful calling it too immature[22:23:12] <JWheeler> so syd how did you come across this?[22:24:33] <oninoshik1> i have the upshot of it being on a test machine, so no important data[22:24:46] <_Lewellyn> JWheeler: i don't say zfs is mature, either[22:24:52] <_Lewellyn> ufs, on the other hand...[22:26:20] <JWheeler> so far you've now bashed on zfs, iscsi, and an unforutnate opensolaris user... thanks for coming dude, it's nice having you here[22:27:19] *** pinkpotato is now known as pinkpotato_[22:27:24] <syd`_> JWheeler: mine was just a test, I was benchmarking comstar vs iscsitadm[22:27:29] *** pinkpotato_ is now known as pinkpotato[22:27:42] <syd`_> I got the volume formatted (NTFS, btw)[22:28:09] <syd`_> exported via iscsitadm, did some tests[22:28:16] <JWheeler> what was the result. It wasn't until the nexenta guy published that it was 2x-3x faster that I even knew that comstar was live with iscsi[22:28:29] <syd`_> then re-exported the same ZVOL via comstar[22:28:47] <syd`_> interestingly, windows blamed about volume not being initialized[22:28:54] <JWheeler> I was planning on doing some testing with it too on a later build on snv when I upgraded next... which all happened a bit fast in the past 24 hours[22:29:09] * JWheeler winces.. uh huh[22:29:27] <syd`_> so I quickly figured out that comstar plays with first sectors...hexdumped and ta-da[22:29:31] <syd`_> I was right.[22:29:33] *** pinkpotato has quit IRC[22:29:44] *** pinkpotato has joined #opensolaris[22:29:44] <trichobezoar> on solaris 10, does dtrace say "Tracing... press ^C to stop" or is it only newer versions of solaris that do that?[22:30:10] <syd`_> trichobezoar: it depends on the script, not on the interpreter itself[22:30:24] <JWheeler> I'm trying to read up on that now. There is still a chance I might be able to get some if it back by recreating the parition header and running some kind of vmfs recovery[22:30:29] <trichobezoar> I guess this machine is really *that* slow[22:30:34] <JWheeler> after all, 70GB of my data is still there :/[22:30:53] <syd`_> JWheeler: sure it is[22:31:20] <JWheeler> is it just 64k or so, or are we talking MBs of header/trailers on disk?[22:31:30] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[22:31:44] <syd`_> few KBs[22:32:03] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[22:32:05] <syd`_> comstar performs better BTW :)[22:32:23] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[22:32:34] <JWheeler> I guess being a kernel implementation you've had to expect the latency to be a bit better, but is it actually a lot?[22:32:37] <oninoshik1> did they get it working with vmware yet?[22:32:49] *** libkeise1 has quit IRC[22:32:57] <JWheeler> I seem to remember in the linux world that nfsd was userspace for ages, because it wasn't much faster in kernel[22:33:04] <JWheeler> or it was some kind of hybrid anyway[22:33:17] <syd`_> better latency, less context switching, lower cpu load[22:33:25] *** jfisc1 has joined #opensolaris[22:33:52] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[22:33:59] <JWheeler> oninoshik1, with the exception of it killing my existing data, I have an esxi host talking to it right now[22:34:07] <syd`_> that was enough for me, so stopped investigating and just stick with it[22:34:13] <JWheeler> creating a new volume seemed to work ok, though I haven't put any data on it yet[22:34:20] *** robertbb has joined #opensolaris[22:34:24] <Stric> JWheeler: both have existed (kernel+user nfs) with pros and cons[22:34:34] *** [lewellyn] has joined #opensolaris[22:34:44] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[22:34:59] <oninoshik1> interesting... for a while it was not working, due to some SCSI command ESXi wanted not being implemented[22:35:08] *** Gnu_Raiz has joined #opensolaris[22:35:46] *** j0nas has quit IRC[22:35:49] <syd`_> JWheeler: btw, that is the reason why exists an "import-lu" command in sbdadm[22:35:56] *** j0nas has joined #opensolaris[22:36:08] <robertbb> Hi! Quick question RE: device naming. If I have a USB hub, and I plug a flash stick in.. then remove it and plug it into a different port on the hub, will it get a different device name or will the device name be the same?[22:36:16] <JWheeler> sounds like this one: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=2164823[22:36:48] <JWheeler> snv_94 according to the related bug[22:37:02] <JWheeler> good fortune that I started trying it on snv_95 then![22:37:21] <Stric> robertbb: really easy for you to test I guess..[22:37:25] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[22:37:35] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[22:37:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[22:37:40] <oninoshik1> so, do we have a plan to migrate exsisting data from iscsitgt to comstar?[22:37:58] <oninoshik1> or is this a job for dd?[22:38:03] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[22:38:16] <robertbb> Stric: I don't have a USB hub, I'm deciding whether or not to get one..[22:38:53] <JWheeler> it sure sounds that way, but I can't imagine how you'd do it[22:39:09] <syd`_> oninoshik1: dd is the only way I can think[22:39:21] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[22:39:23] <mcepl> all: what does it mean, when package violates constraint? (screwed up release-engineering?)[22:39:37] <JWheeler> other than to 1. Take your existing zvol, and DON'T TOUCH IT. 2. Create a new one of the same size. 3. mount both with iscsi and 4. copy between them[22:39:55] <syd`_> of course you'd have to know exactly how many blocks comstar takes for its header[22:39:59] <JWheeler> requiring double the space for the migration, and some rediculous hoop jumping for what is already local data[22:40:06] <syd`_> then you can use dd's skip option[22:40:26] <WhiteRabbit_> mount the iscsi locally[22:40:31] <WhiteRabbit_> through 127.0.0.1[22:40:37] *** [lewellyn] has quit IRC[22:40:42] <JWheeler> I've been reading the comstar admin guide in the background here. I still haven't seen any mention at all of the fact that the underlying storage is written over with metadata[22:40:59] <oninoshik1> thats because it doesnt say it anywhere[22:41:21] <syd`_> WhiteRabbit_: that will be dog slow, and I'm not even sure if it can be done[22:41:22] <JWheeler> that's a help, but it still seems pretty silly to do all that just to deal with data that's already happily sitting on your disk[22:41:44] <WhiteRabbit_> syd`_, really ? it should be really fast.[22:41:50] <WhiteRabbit_> thats if it can be done[22:42:36] <syd`_> not as fast as reading/writing to raw devices. Importing iscsi targets via loopback will give you a lot of overhead[22:42:48] <oninoshik1> WhiteRabbit_: for variaing values of fast. it still has to transverse the tcp/ip stack...[22:42:58] <syd`_> but on the other end, using a big block size may help[22:43:28] <WhiteRabbit_> oninoshik1, for sure, but if you have to mount the iscsi to do the copy it would be best to do it over the loopback ;-)[22:44:08] <oninoshik1> i think id rather use the afore mentioned "skip" feature of dd[22:44:43] <robertbb> Hi! Quick question RE: device naming. If I have a USB hub, and I plug a flash stick in.. then remove it and plug it into a different port on the hub, will it get a different device name or will the device name be the same?[22:45:04] <jsoftw> Depends on the position of the moon, and the dow jones index.[22:45:11] <xtrondo> robertbb: yes, it will get a different device name[22:45:36] <syd`_> jsoftw: so it depends on the actual trend also[22:46:09] <robertbb> xtrondo: i.e. the same as a SATA or SAS drive would, plugged into a different port on the controller?[22:46:15] <pinkpotato> silly question, is the gui in 2008.11 not JDS? It looks different from this http://opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/jds-screenshot-large.png and the download link is broken[22:47:07] <Stric> pinkpotato: just different theme[22:47:17] <Stric> same software (different versions though)[22:47:24] <trichobezoar> yeah, it uses the ubuntu theme[22:47:31] <trichobezoar> err, look.[22:47:44] <trichobezoar> OS' theme is better ;)[22:47:45] *** luc^ has quit IRC[22:47:50] <pinkpotato> ic thanks[22:47:50] <xtrondo> robertbb: yes, eg for my logitech usb2.0 hug, depending on port I will get from c4t0d0 to c7t0d0[22:47:54] <g4lt-lappy> I htought they still used SuSE's looks[22:48:27] <oninoshik1> pinkpotato: JDS is really little more then Gnome with SUN branding.[22:48:33] <g4lt-lappy> most of S8n's JDS team is straight from SuSe[22:49:14] <pinkpotato> oninoshik1, ah[22:49:44] <robertbb> xtrondo: Is it just a dumb hub, or does each port have its own root port?[22:51:36] *** ry-tpro_ has joined #opensolaris[22:52:16] <ry-tpro_> yo yo yo mtv raps![22:52:21] *** turtle has quit IRC[22:52:34] *** turtle has joined #OpenSolaris[22:52:56] <trichobezoar> S8n?[22:53:13] <g4lt-lappy> typoese for Sun[22:53:34] <g4lt-lappy> craptop keyboard, fingers are bigger than the fooking keys[22:54:54] <syd`_> JWheeler: metadata starts at block 4096[22:55:11] <syd`_> bash-3.2# xxd -a /dev/zvol/rdsk/rpool/test[22:55:11] <syd`_> 0000000: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................[22:55:11] <syd`_> *[22:55:11] <syd`_> 0001000: 5355 4e53 4244 4c55 0000 0000 0001 0000 SUNSBDLU........[22:55:24] <syd`_> ouch[22:55:26] <syd`_> sorry guys.[22:55:27] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[22:55:34] *** MrDusty has quit IRC[22:56:24] <JWheeler> I've never understood hex dumps. I don't get how you can read them![22:56:31] *** MrDusty has joined #opensolaris[22:56:34] <JWheeler> do you just have to.... tilt your head to the side a bit maybe?[22:57:18] <syd`_> well not exactly, in my case the device is empty except for metadata so it's easy[22:57:28] <JWheeler> ah[22:57:34] <syd`_> it's only a matter of knowing what are you looking for[22:57:35] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[22:57:38] <bda> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=how+to+read+hex+dumps&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8[22:58:04] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[22:58:09] <mcepl> matej@viklefOSOL:~$ pfexec pkg install SUNWgit[22:58:09] <mcepl> Creating Plan -[22:58:09] <mcepl> pkg: the following package(s) violated constraints:[22:58:09] <mcepl> Package pkg:/SUNWzlib at 1 dot 2.3,5.11-0.108 conflicts with constraint in installed pkg:/entire:[22:58:09] <mcepl> Pkg SUNWzlib: Optional min_version: 1.2.3,5.11-0.101 max version: 1.2.3,5.11-0.101 defined by: pkg:/entire[22:58:11] <mcepl> ????[22:58:17] *** mknecht has quit IRC[22:58:28] <JWheeler> well for now I think my best chance is to try and get the userspace iscsitgt going again, then at least I'll have full access to the entire partiton again. I'll try recreating the partition, and with a lot of luck maybe vmfs will be able to salvage itself[22:58:58] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[22:59:01] <JWheeler> I just can't make it work on this snv_106 host though. I know iscsi was having some issues, maybe it's DOA in that build number, which would be just my luck for the day....[22:59:19] <timeless> mcepl: why not pkg image-update ? :)[23:00:07] <timeless> or try pkg install pkg:/SUNWgit at 1 dot 5.6.5-0.106[23:00:17] <mcepl> I did this morning ... OK, I will try; and because I have no clue what the error message means -- shouldn't pkg just upgrade whatever it needs?[23:00:30] <timeless> no[23:00:47] <timeless> installing 'foopy' shouldn't cause *everything* to be upgraded[23:00:55] <timeless> that doesn't even happen in debian :)[23:01:01] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[23:01:17] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[23:01:18] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[23:01:46] <timeless> if the pkg i listed works, then a bug probably should exist complaining that pkg should try other versions of a pkg to see if any of them *don't* violate its constraints[23:01:52] <mcepl> not everything, but whatever is needed ... it happens both on Debian as well as on my Fedora.[23:02:17] <timeless> on my debians, i'm always asked if i want to destroy my system[23:02:35] <timeless> and in nexenta it says something like 'dont do that'[23:02:46] <mcepl> yes, of course, I don't mind asking[23:02:57] <g4lt-lappy> so y9u want a wiffle-OS?[23:03:14] <timeless> anyway, i'd like to know if the short pkg install line works[23:03:28] <trichobezoar> timeless: Heh. What happens is close to that in debian. "Firefox needs upgrading. Also upgrading libc"[23:03:28] <timeless> but you really should just get used to using pkg image-update[23:03:37] *** mboyer has joined #opensolaris[23:03:48] <timeless> trichobezoar: and uninstalling thunderbird[23:04:00] * timeless grumbles[23:04:00] <mcepl> matej@viklefOSOL:~$ pfexec pkg install pkg:/SUNWgit at 1 dot 5.6.5-0.106[23:04:01] <mcepl> Creating Plan /[23:04:01] <mcepl> pkg: the following package(s) violated constraints:[23:04:01] <mcepl> Package pkg:/SUNWzlib at 1 dot 2.3,5.11-0.106 conflicts with constraint in installed pkg:/entire:[23:04:01] <mcepl> Pkg SUNWzlib: Optional min_version: 1.2.3,5.11-0.101 max version: 1.2.3,5.11-0.101 defined by: pkg:/entire[23:04:10] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[23:04:20] <timeless> um[23:04:25] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: it's not like you NEED libc ;)[23:04:31] * mcepl runs pkg install SUNWipkg already[23:04:35] <trichobezoar> Upgrading libc carries risks ;P[23:04:46] <timeless> which reminds me[23:04:49] <timeless> i need to hack glibc[23:04:59] <timeless> because i need to tap 'gettext'[23:05:01] <_Lewellyn> timeless: to make it more streamlined?[23:05:02] <_Lewellyn> oh[23:05:11] <g4lt-lappy> triwith solaris, not so much. y9ou always have crle to fall back on[23:05:16] <timeless> no, to make all calls to gettext extremely slow :)[23:05:49] <mcepl> ha, Sun's plot against glibc ... pinging Ulrich :)[23:05:55] <_Lewellyn> timeless: and get it committed and bring about the death of the worlds largest libc? :)[23:06:09] <timeless> lewellyn: well... truth be told[23:06:20] <timeless> it would be nice if i could set an env var LOG_GETTEXT=1[23:06:26] <timeless> before running an app[23:06:39] <_Lewellyn> there's lots of things that'd be nice with such a huge libc :P[23:06:54] *** Lumberg has quit IRC[23:06:55] <timeless> like a smaller one? :)[23:06:59] <_Lewellyn> i tried building without locale support (the box didn't need it), and it didn't like that. at all :([23:07:18] <timeless> u(c)libc? :)[23:07:25] * timeless shrugs[23:07:30] <_Lewellyn> problem is that the only viable replacements for linux are missing certain core things :P[23:07:31] <timeless> i don't have any love for glibc[23:07:43] <timeless> which reminds me[23:07:50] <timeless> i need to setup process limits on my zone[23:07:59] <timeless> anyone wanna walk me through that? :)[23:08:04] <WhiteRabbit_> <_Lewellyn> problem is that the only viable replacements for linux are missing certain core things :P < this a bit funny if you think about it[23:08:05] <_Lewellyn> i've been watching the libc situation for a while. there's someone who wants to port the bsd libc. i'm very interested in the results of that[23:08:14] <WhiteRabbit_> wasnt linux meant to be the viable alternative[23:08:14] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[23:08:17] <WhiteRabbit_> not the other way round[23:08:33] *** Disorganized has quit IRC[23:08:34] *** Gnu_Raiz has quit IRC[23:08:36] <_Lewellyn> WhiteRabbit_: linux is a kernel. you need a libc to make a kernel do anything "useful" :)[23:09:01] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[23:09:30] <_Lewellyn> and since the kernel doesn't NEED a GNU userland, i refuse to use GNU/Linux as the generic for the package[23:10:03] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[23:10:05] <WhiteRabbit_> has anyone tried to use BSD userland on a linux kernel ?[23:10:14] <WhiteRabbit_> or similar[23:10:14] <_Lewellyn> WhiteRabbit_: i have something better in the works ;)[23:10:21] <WhiteRabbit_> nice[23:10:34] *** Jiraia has quit IRC[23:10:36] <_Lewellyn> that's why i've been trying to get info about how lx zones "work"[23:10:40] <WhiteRabbit_> everyone seems to try the otherway round - like Deiban/BSD[23:10:44] <_Lewellyn> imagine an lx zone that "felt" like solaris :)[23:10:58] <timeless> feels icky?[23:11:18] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[23:11:21] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[23:11:23] <_Lewellyn> well, not solaris in specific. i'm using inspiration from various unixes. it is not going to "feel" gnu, though[23:11:35] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[23:11:37] *** esok has left #opensolaris[23:11:45] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[23:12:07] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[23:12:08] <_Lewellyn> timeless: i just want a familiar userland. oh, and a non-bloaty libc would please me.[23:13:00] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[23:13:02] *** Tempt sets mode: +o bda[23:13:16] <codestr0m> Hej.. I want +o :P[23:13:33] * timeless wants ARC[23:13:35] <Tempt> ask and you shall never recieve ;-)[23:13:51] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m wants to +q me :([23:13:56] <codestr0m> Tempt: I'll never get +o here.. and there's no point to carry it around like most people do[23:14:04] * wdp wants a G.I.R.L[23:14:15] <_Lewellyn> and i want this rsync to finish :P[23:14:58] *** wdp is now known as sleeping[23:15:00] <codestr0m> Tempt: it's very un-freenode to carry @ in the channel afaik[23:15:02] *** sleeping is now known as wdp[23:15:03] *** servo- has quit IRC[23:15:07] *** estibi has quit IRC[23:15:08] <nachox> it is[23:15:26] <_Lewellyn> but those are guidelines :)[23:15:37] <_Lewellyn> to keep channel "temperature" down, among other things[23:15:40] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: which are meant to be broken :P[23:15:47] <nachox> not really[23:15:57] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: no. rules are meant to be broken, guidelines are meant to be ignored :D[23:15:57] <Tempt> It's very unproductive to sit around discussing nonsense; get back to discussing Solaris or go out for a cup of coffee, guys.[23:16:14] <nachox> hehe[23:16:25] <_Lewellyn> Tempt: i'm finishing lunch while watching rsync "appear" to hang on this 80gb of data :P[23:17:00] <timeless> tempt: help me setup process limits for a zone :)[23:17:06] <Tempt> You and your cygwin problems, heh. Even worse is watching my Mac rsync nightly backups to the server.[23:17:16] <Tempt> timeless: google! the key here is "max-lwps"[23:17:26] <_Lewellyn> Tempt: from linux to sxce :)[23:17:36] <_Lewellyn> and i don't use cygwin :P[23:18:12] <Tempt> timeless: http://mexico.purplecow.org/p/?page=view&id=1236291574[23:18:24] <_Lewellyn> hm. why does it seem that the drive lights don't mesh with iostat?[23:18:57] <codestr0m> (08:17:45) e^ipi left the room (Kicked by Tempt (Tempt)).[23:19:13] <codestr0m> hahahaha.. I missed that..[23:19:14] <_Lewellyn> i'd guess that it'd be write-behind caching on the drive, but i would hope that would be explicitly enabled...[23:20:05] <timeless> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2450/z.config.ov-13?a=view confuses me[23:21:40] <nachox> timeless, max-processes rctl [PSARC/2009/042 FastTrack timeout 01/28/2009][23:21:43] <_Lewellyn> hm. is it possible to easily override the dhcp router for a particular ESSID, automagically?[23:23:04] <joshcarter> question on opensolaris build:[23:23:36] <joshcarter> I pulled source from mercurial (onnv-gate) and installed sunstudio-12 (hopefully correctly, under /opt/SUNWspro/)...[23:23:42] <timeless> so, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2450/z.config.ov-13?a=view doesn't mention a max-ram[23:23:52] <joshcarter> now, it looks like the next thing I need to do is build SUNWonbld[23:24:00] <_Lewellyn> actually, is it sane to go and change the default route for a dhcp connection, ever?[23:24:02] <timeless> it mentions max-locked-memory, but that sounds different[23:24:06] <_Lewellyn> or will that confuse nwam somehow?[23:24:36] <joshcarter> is that just going to onnv-gate/usr/src/tools/SUNWonbld and making? or is it better to download the pre-builts? It's hard to tell the preferred method from the dev. docs.[23:25:15] <timeless> nachox: ok, so max-processes sounds better[23:25:28] *** aksyn has joined #opensolaris[23:25:30] *** Teltaria1 has quit IRC[23:25:34] <jbk> joshcarter: actually download http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/ and get the appropriate platform SUNWonbld tarball[23:25:51] <nachox> timeless, except it just passed arc review and has not yet been implemented :P[23:26:04] <jbk> also have you applied the appropriate ss12 patches?[23:26:12] *** dguitar has quit IRC[23:26:13] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[23:26:30] <jbk> or did you download ss12 from http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/sun_studio_tools/sun_studio_12_tools/, in which case you should be ok[23:26:53] *** aksyn has quit IRC[23:26:56] <joshcarter> jbk: well, the "which ss12 do I download?" question was kind of confusing, too. ;)[23:26:59] <joshcarter> lemme look...[23:27:22] <jbk> that's just a tarball of /opt/SUNWspro with all the patches applied..[23:27:24] <joshcarter> I downloaded this: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/sun_studio_tools/sun_studio_12_tools/[23:27:32] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:27:35] <joshcarter> I think that's what you're referring to.[23:27:38] <jbk> yes[23:27:42] <jbk> so you're good there[23:27:47] <joshcarter> cool.[23:27:55] <jbk> so just download the SUNWonbld package from the url i gave earlier[23:27:57] <timeless> nachox: blah[23:28:10] <jbk> then you need to setup your config file[23:28:31] <timeless> willl 10240 lwps kill my system?[23:28:40] <nachox> timeless, as for memory capping check for capped-memory http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zones/files/Zones_RM_Improvements.html[23:29:00] <jbk> timeless: depends[23:29:10] <jbk> I had an E6900 w/ 65,000+ lwps[23:29:28] <joshcarter> jbk: I decided it would be better to pull from hg so I could update easier; will using separate onbld (not the one in hg) be problematic?[23:29:30] <jbk> once a few issues were worked out, was fine[23:29:35] <timeless> jbk: my system has 4g of ram and 2x2 3ghz cpu's[23:29:56] <timeless> and it was being killed by runaway processes in a zone[23:30:01] <jbk> joshcarter: no, it's kinda goofy in that you need that to bootstrap things[23:30:03] <timeless> (forkbombish)[23:30:13] <timeless> it actually surived, i managed to pkill them and recover my box[23:30:20] <joshcarter> got it, thanks.[23:30:27] <jbk> yeah that many lwps are probably gonna kill a lot of ram just in overhead[23:30:29] <timeless> but it isn't something i enjoy[23:31:14] <nachox> i cant believe nano is being arced...[23:31:22] <timeless> ah capped-memory looks nice[23:31:39] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[23:31:51] *** colyte has quit IRC[23:32:27] *** sartek has left #opensolaris[23:32:55] <nachox> you need rcapd[23:34:32] <timeless> zonecfg:nexenta:capped-memory> verify[23:34:32] <timeless> resource specification incomplete[23:34:32] <timeless> nexenta: Insufficient specification[23:35:05] *** jsalisbury has quit IRC[23:35:16] <nachox> why do you torture yourself with nexenta? :)[23:35:17] *** ahl has joined #opensolaris[23:35:29] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[23:35:33] <ahl> I have a question about the OGB election:[23:36:16] <ahl> does anyone have opinions on some attributes that a candidate should possess?[23:36:21] *** baijiutong has quit IRC[23:36:59] * timeless pkg installs /SUNWrcap[23:37:02] <oninoshik1> ahl: does "has my opinion" count?[23:37:59] <timeless> nachox: do i need to svccfg import some file after i install rcapd? :)[23:38:08] <ahl> oni: yes, but that's not especially helpful as a guiding principle I don't think[23:38:45] <nachox> timeless, i'm not sure, i'm guessing that is up to the package manager of nexenta which i'm not familiar with[23:38:59] <oninoshik1> heh, always worked well for me ;p[23:39:14] <timeless> nachox: nexenta is the guest, indiana is the host[23:39:48] <nachox> meaning?[23:40:01] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[23:40:24] <timeless> globalzone=indiana, zone=nexenta[23:40:35] <nachox> i always import stuff or just restart (this is not a server but a laptop...)[23:40:54] <timeless> i'm assuming i only install rcap into indiana and as such i only need to understand the rules for indiana[23:42:23] <timeless> ok, i imported it because i couldn't figure out if it was alive, and i enabled it[23:42:40] *** tejat has joined #opensolaris[23:43:05] <_Lewellyn> ry-tpro_: ping?[23:43:13] <timeless> zoneadm: zone 'nexenta': WARNING: Ignoring unrecognized rctl 'zone.max-processes'.[23:43:17] * timeless prays it's just ignoring that[23:43:27] *** fsk141 has quit IRC[23:43:30] <_Lewellyn> it says warning :)[23:43:38] *** fsk141 has joined #opensolaris[23:43:59] <timeless> there's a compiler i know of which can be configured to treat a warning as an error[23:44:16] *** mikefut has quit IRC[23:44:22] <timeless> sadly, afaict, when it does that, it still lists in its output 'warning', but happens to error w/ no error message :)[23:44:39] *** jsalisbury has joined #opensolaris[23:45:12] <timeless> nice, this zone is *very* unhappy[23:45:21] <nachox> why?[23:45:37] <nachox> did the capped-memory thing work?[23:46:38] <timeless> oh, it's unhappy because i was trying to upgrade it earlier in the week[23:46:41] <timeless> and failed miserably :)[23:47:10] <syd`_> anyone installed tun/tap on sxce?[23:47:34] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[23:47:52] <timeless> ok, my zone is currently trying to kill my computer[23:48:02] <timeless> (it's running mktexlsr, which is what killed it last time)[23:48:05] <nachox> timeless, i hope you had a snapshot of the zone :)[23:49:01] <timeless> id zone nproc vm rss cap at avgat pg avgpg[23:49:01] <timeless> 16 nexenta - 19M 25M 2048M 0K 0K 0K 0K[23:49:05] <timeless> nachox: of course[23:49:23] <timeless> so.... i gues that means it's doing something (that's rcapstat -z)[23:49:32] <nachox> i didnt know you could create a nexenta zone in indiana[23:49:50] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[23:50:12] <timeless> i did it in nevada before[23:50:25] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[23:50:26] <joshcarter> jbk: (or anyone really) should the "closed" directory from on-closed-bins be copied into my onnv-gate directory?[23:50:28] <timeless> i have a script for it[23:50:43] <joshcarter> or is that supposed to live somewhere else?[23:51:07] <nachox> timeless, is it "official"?[23:51:26] *** CosmicDJ has joined #OpenSolaris[23:52:03] *** ahl has left #opensolaris[23:52:23] <_Lewellyn> timeless: i'd be interested in seeing said script :)[23:52:41] <_Lewellyn> not right now, but at some point :)[23:52:43] <timeless> nachox: i wrote it[23:52:50] <timeless> so officially, ... i wrote it? :)[23:53:16] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris[23:53:42] <timeless> actually, i don't remember its complete origins[23:53:50] <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/630793[23:54:21] <timeless> note that while it *should * give you a modern nexenta, for reasons i haven't debugged yet, it gave me an older one[23:54:29] <timeless> hence my current excitement trying to 'upgrade' it[23:54:41] <timeless> also note that the zone root isn't really proper for nexenta[23:55:02] <timeless> and you really do want it correct, otherwise its equivalent of pkg image-update (apt-clone) will fail miserably[23:55:21] <timeless> id zone nproc vm rss cap at avgat pg avgpg[23:55:24] <timeless> 16 nexenta - 2000M 423M 2048M 0K 0K 0K 0K[23:55:38] <timeless> well, as i said, i'm being attacked by my zone :)[23:55:57] <timeless> it looks like it's hit the ceiling :)[23:56:03] <timeless> nachox: thanks :)[23:56:25] <nachox> ok things like use these libraries "(this breaks most sun binaries,..." scare me[23:56:26] * timeless wonders how to 'fix' mktexlsr[23:56:38] *** tejat has quit IRC[23:56:48] <timeless> heh[23:57:04] <timeless> actually, i'm not sure if /opt/csw/lib is needed anymore[23:57:13] <timeless> it helped me a lot in indiana iirc[23:57:45] <timeless> yeah, it saved me from the curses+gettext hell i had in indiana (i.e. this time around)[23:58:04] <nachox> csw scares me too[23:58:13] <timeless> yeah, i know it would[23:58:48] * timeless removes the /opt/csw/lib: part since it wasn't actually used this time[23:58:55] <CIA-40> Sukumar Swaminathan <Sukumar.Swaminathan at Sun dot COM>: 6811333 Remove prom_printf() message in emlxs driver[23:59:27] *** Deesl has quit IRC[23:59:55] <timeless> imeless@swift:~$ pfexec pkill -t zoneconsole[23:59:55] <timeless> pkill: unknown terminal name -- zoneconsole