March 4, 2009 
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March 4, 2009 [00:00:13] <Cope> any recommendations for affordable fibre switch for 4g/8g[00:00:32] <Cope> erm sorry - meant to ask in #zfs - but feel ffree to answer[00:01:23] <Chipdancer> oh dear, I have coffee on the brain :) now, when I read flyingparchment, I think of flying monkey parchment (Monkey Parchment is a coffee type like Kopi Luwak, only prepared by monkeys selecting the cherries and eating/spitting the seed rather than Civet Cat excrement)[00:01:38] *** colyte has quit IRC[00:02:13] *** ShanghaiScott has quit IRC[00:02:34] *** jojo1224 has joined #opensolaris[00:03:06] <jojo1224> hi[00:03:40] *** bigjocker has quit IRC[00:06:29] <jojo1224> has anyone tried opensolaris + unetbootin and got it to work?[00:06:31] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: 49th had some of that[00:06:44] <e^ipi> i didn't bother buying it because i thought it was a stupid idea[00:07:12] <e^ipi> jojo1224: google "diskless solaris"[00:07:16] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: stories I've heard have been pretty good so far... I blame Inni[00:07:34] *** wewek has quit IRC[00:07:39] <e^ipi> jojo1224: solaris has netbooted longer than linux has existed[00:08:03] *** Shabren has quit IRC[00:08:26] <jojo1224> not netboot but using the program unetbooting and a solaris iso and put it on a flash drive[00:09:13] <e^ipi> never heard of it[00:09:16] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[00:09:21] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[00:09:50] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: maybe it is good, i dunno[00:09:55] <jojo1224> http://lubi.sourceforge.net/unetbootin.html[00:10:13] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: I'm getting to cup some Kopi Luwak on Saturday week[00:10:28] <inaddy> does anybody know if zfs on root (/) is supported using jumpstart ?[00:10:37] <flyingparchment> inaddy: it is not (yet)[00:10:49] <flyingparchment> inaddy: at least in U6, there's an unresolved installer problem that makes the installer segfault[00:10:55] *** sergiusens has quit IRC[00:11:00] <e^ipi> flyingparchment: it isn't?[00:11:04] <e^ipi> how did i install this machine then?[00:11:17] <Chipdancer> I thought it was for recent opensolaris though[00:11:50] <inaddy> e^ipi: did you install ZFS (/) using jumpstart ?[00:11:55] <e^ipi> yes[00:12:07] <inaddy> i know that for regular installation you have to use the text install[00:12:16] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: see, i've never had the desire to try kopi[00:12:35] <e^ipi> it's robusta ( a minus point ) pooped out by a cat ( another, larger, minus point )[00:12:46] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: U6 or recent opensolaris[00:12:54] <e^ipi> nevada[00:12:56] <inaddy> Ill have to install 4 logical domains using jumpstart and i wanted the root filesystems to be zfs[00:13:01] <Chipdancer> e^ipi: it's part of a summer cupping series I'm attending[00:13:08] <e^ipi> uhh... 100 ?[00:13:25] <e^ipi> Chipdancer: well, let me know what you think of it[00:14:59] *** inaddy_ has joined #opensolaris[00:15:14] *** esok has left #opensolaris[00:15:22] *** fjay has joined #opensolaris[00:15:33] *** inaddy is now known as Guest19807[00:15:39] *** jojo1224 has left #opensolaris[00:16:42] *** inaddy_ is now known as inaddy[00:17:14] *** ikarius has quit IRC[00:22:51] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: that's what lori's post said just after it integrated, about S10 support[00:22:57] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: maybe it was fixed at the last minute[00:26:00] *** Guest19807 has quit IRC[00:26:00] *** inaddy has quit IRC[00:26:02] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris[00:30:21] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[00:31:43] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[00:32:08] *** e-jat has quit IRC[00:34:19] *** ary has joined #opensolaris[00:34:55] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[00:35:23] <ary> I'm working on a storage server with opensolaris 2008.11. Are there any web interface or graphical interface to manage zfs and zpool for opensolaris?[00:36:08] <ary> I prefer text mode, but my client prefer graphical mode[00:37:24] <phaedrus5> nexenta.com, at a cost[00:37:38] <flyingparchment> anyone know how much power an X4250 actually uses? (not the figure from the specs)[00:38:11] <ary> phaedrus5, nop... I don't wanna pay one dollar[00:39:15] *** lc0492380 has joined #opensolaris[00:39:39] <phaedrus5> me neither[00:41:21] <lc0492380> hey its jojo1224 again, unetbooting didnt work, does anyone know of a way to install opensolaris from a flash drive[00:41:36] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[00:42:30] *** pde has quit IRC[00:42:37] *** pde has joined #opensolaris[00:45:20] <lc0492380> so does anyone know of an easy way to install opensolaris from a usb flash drive (2gb)[00:46:15] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris[00:46:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig[00:53:02] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[00:53:16] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[00:53:55] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[00:58:54] <CIA-40> onhg@elpaso: Added tag onnv_110 for changeset 6adf6294c134[00:58:55] <CIA-40> Sebastien Roy <Sebastien.Roy at Sun dot COM>: 6810814 panic in proto_info_req() because of dsp->ds_mch is NULL[00:58:57] <CIA-40> Eric Saxe <Eric.Saxe at Sun dot COM>: 6811971 bad trap panic seen in cmt_pad_disable()[01:01:16] *** chowmeined has joined #opensolaris[01:01:54] *** proberts has quit IRC[01:02:22] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[01:02:22] *** Odin- has quit IRC[01:03:00] *** KU0N has joined #opensolaris[01:03:07] <KU0N> hello[01:05:35] <Andys^> hello everyone[01:05:36] <Andys^> date [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]][01:05:45] <Andys^> and the reason for putting year between minutes and seconds is...??????????????[01:06:35] <KU0N> How do I decompress a .lzma on OS?[01:06:36] <tomww> because then it can be left out[01:06:40] <lc0492380> has anyone here managed to boot opensolaris from a usb flash drive?[01:07:19] <Andys^> tomww: not good enough :)[01:08:55] *** telexicon has quit IRC[01:09:08] *** telexicon has joined #opensolaris[01:10:25] *** dmoerner has joined #opensolaris[01:10:49] *** sahX_ has joined #opensolaris[01:12:21] <phaedrus5> has anyone managed to boot solaris from the DVD ?[01:12:32] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[01:12:43] <lc0492380> dvd is easy[01:13:01] <phaedrus5> should be, but doesn't work on either of my AMD machines[01:13:35] <KU0N> ai trouvé ça[01:13:35] <KU0N> http://www.tug.org/texlive/lzma/[01:13:43] <KU0N> oups, I mean, I found that:)[01:14:38] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[01:15:13] <lc0492380> has anyone installed opensolaris from usb?[01:15:29] <bubbva> yes[01:15:54] *** bigjocker has quit IRC[01:15:54] <bubbva> but it's been awhile. I did it on my laptop :)[01:16:39] *** iceq has quit IRC[01:16:46] *** iceq has joined #opensolaris[01:16:56] <lc0492380> ya im trying to install solaris from usb to put on my netbook but unetbooting didnt work, it corrupts the kernel[01:17:17] *** sahX_ has quit IRC[01:18:18] *** Ouroboros has joined #opensolaris[01:19:41] *** maverickbna has joined #opensolaris[01:19:47] *** sahX_ has joined #opensolaris[01:19:51] *** ary has quit IRC[01:21:51] *** sahX_ has quit IRC[01:24:25] *** kim0 has quit IRC[01:24:42] <lc0492380> come on, no one can help me install opensolaris from a usb flash drive?[01:24:49] *** sahX has quit IRC[01:25:38] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[01:25:52] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[01:27:54] *** SimonAdameit has joined #opensolaris[01:29:04] *** KU0N has quit IRC[01:29:46] *** dem has joined #opensolaris[01:30:29] <dem> quick OLD school question, does anyone know if the old net disk functionality works in either sparc or x86 versions of opensolaris (or solaris for that matter)[01:31:21] <dem> Dug through a bunch of docs... the PROTO is still defined in in.h just don't see anything that uses it in the websearches or manpages or wiki/faqs[01:31:27] *** maverickbna is now known as ShadowHntr[01:31:33] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris[01:31:52] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[01:32:34] *** init3 has joined #opensolaris[01:34:26] <lc0492380> dem: this irc isnt a good place to ask for help, its pretty much full of zombies, no one talks[01:34:41] <dem> ok thanks.. i scour the lists :)[01:35:00] <dem> i'll even[01:35:01] <Ouroboros> damn, zombies can talk now?[01:35:04] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[01:35:15] <dem> you didn't know that? 'BRAINS'[01:35:24] <lc0492380> well no one seems to talk here[01:35:35] * Ouroboros grabs shotgun and motorcycle[01:36:05] <dem> i'll try one more channel probably deader tho[01:36:45] <Ouroboros> or just try a quick solaris install?[01:36:53] <dem> i've got one[01:37:20] <dem> nevada on x86 has the proto in in.h no mention of the disk functions, nor do websearches nor do admin guides[01:37:22] <dem> its REALLY old[01:37:39] <dem> probably been superceeded.... and the IP_PROTO def is probably just for old school...[01:38:03] <chowmeined> time to learn about zfs[01:38:03] <dem> i'll put nevada or solars 10 10/08 (11/08?) on a sparc and see[01:38:12] <dem> i already know about zfs :)[01:38:19] <dem> this is for a friends 'client'[01:38:42] *** dem has quit IRC[01:39:00] <Ouroboros> i havent read about solaris acls yet.... is it possible to set them to conflict with normal unix permissions?[01:39:04] *** dem has joined #opensolaris[01:39:07] <dem> gah[01:39:10] *** dem has left #opensolaris[01:41:59] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[01:43:12] <Ouroboros> ah nm, its all acls on zfs..[01:43:15] <nrubsig> Anyone here coming from New York ?[01:43:41] *** yippi has quit IRC[01:48:51] <nachox> hi roland :)[01:49:02] <nrubsig> nachox: Hi![01:49:25] <nachox> will you be running for ogb this year? you0ve been nominated[01:51:00] <nrubsig> nachox: I wish I could do that... but I need a job first[01:51:12] *** lc0492380 is now known as jojo1224[01:52:01] <nachox> damn...[01:52:41] *** sahX has quit IRC[01:55:14] <nachox> nrubsig, have you asked schilly?[01:55:26] <nrubsig> nachox: for what ? a job ?[01:55:47] <nachox> whether the place he works in has open positions or not[01:55:57] <nachox> *at[01:56:03] <hile_> wait, they let roland into new york?[01:56:19] *** jojo1224 has quit IRC[01:56:37] <nachox> shh!! he is hiding[01:56:41] <nrubsig> nachox: he's working for a research facility and they put all open positions on "Hold" right now[01:56:54] * hile_ makes a note to call up ICE[01:56:57] <nrubsig> hile_: my wife would be a big problem... but I am allowed in the US.[01:57:22] <hile_> explain that one.[01:57:30] <hile_> your wife is a felon?[01:58:12] <nrubsig> hile_: she worked for the urkainian embassy as "trouble shooter" and troubled US embassy staff a lot in the past. Long story, including broken noses (not hers).[01:58:54] <CIA-40> Roamer <Roamer at Sun dot COM>: 6586787 TCP can end up passing an LSO packet to a non-LSO driver; panic ensues, 6633907 Link aggregation driver aggr doesn't propagate TCP LSO (Large Send Offload)[01:59:11] *** jojo1224 has joined #opensolaris[01:59:24] <SimonAdameit> Hi[01:59:39] <nachox> nrubsig, so you married someone that can wipe the floor with your ass while smiling?[01:59:52] <SimonAdameit> how can I get at the firewire id of an ipod classic pluged in via usb?[01:59:57] <jojo1224> srry i left, my windows xp install is fucked up[02:00:28] <SimonAdameit> the equivalent in linux would be: sudo lsusb -v | grep -i Serial[02:01:38] *** cwebber has quit IRC[02:01:39] <sponix2ipfw> where is dclarke when you need him ![02:02:21] <sponix2ipfw> Anyone in here built wine recently on os2008.11 b105+ ? I'm trying wine 1.1.16 but can't get it to make for the life of me[02:02:26] *** webmink has quit IRC[02:02:58] *** syamajala has quit IRC[02:03:00] <nrubsig> nachox: sort of. We're having now a baby and she's much nicer now.[02:03:36] *** herschel_k has joined #opensolaris[02:03:41] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[02:04:04] <nrubsig> (that means: Nice to me... we didn't test yet what happens if someone threatens her)[02:06:20] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[02:08:09] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[02:13:08] *** ranks_ has joined #opensolaris[02:15:17] *** stevel has quit IRC[02:16:01] <wdp_> nini[02:19:42] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:20:25] *** jojo1224 has left #opensolaris[02:22:48] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[02:23:27] *** Ouroboros is now known as Guest28886[02:24:42] *** gray-- has quit IRC[02:25:06] *** prav33n has quit IRC[02:25:17] *** Guest28886 has quit IRC[02:27:04] *** mib_0izmc7o3 has joined #opensolaris[02:29:23] *** gaveen has quit IRC[02:30:06] <chowmeined> i installed opensolaris 2008.11, i cant seem to get an ip address with dhcp[02:30:09] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[02:30:26] <CosmicDJ> is your nic supported?[02:31:05] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC[02:31:36] <chowmeined> the device driver utility says there are no problems[02:31:42] <chowmeined> its recognized as broadcom gigabit[02:32:09] *** cmihai` has joined #OpenSolaris[02:32:09] <CosmicDJ> and your dhcp server is?[02:32:23] <CosmicDJ> running openbsd?[02:32:34] <chowmeined> yeah it is.. how did you know[02:32:46] <CosmicDJ> 4.4?[02:32:53] <chowmeined> yes[02:33:40] <CosmicDJ> chowmeined: http://www.openbsd.org/errata44.html fix 006[02:34:00] <chowmeined> CosmicDJ, oh interesting[02:34:01] <chowmeined> thanks[02:34:07] <CosmicDJ> np[02:35:49] *** cmihai has quit IRC[02:41:00] *** nrubsig has quit IRC[02:41:07] *** alfism has quit IRC[02:42:52] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[02:57:46] <flyingparchment> hmm[02:57:51] <flyingparchment> so i have an X4100 running firmware 1.0[02:57:58] <flyingparchment> i want to upgrade to 1.5, but first i have to upgrade to 1.1, then 1.2, then 1.5[02:58:05] <flyingparchment> the problem: 1.1 is no longer available on sun.com..[03:01:35] *** nachox has quit IRC[03:05:28] *** Gnu_Raiz has joined #opensolaris[03:13:41] *** e1mer has joined #opensolaris[03:15:11] *** herschel_k has quit IRC[03:19:30] *** SimonAdameit has quit IRC[03:20:59] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[03:24:16] *** Kalidarn has joined #opensolaris[03:25:47] <Kalidarn> hi, was trying to get rtorrent on opensolaris 2008.11 going, i read about some packages here but they didn't work http://whacked.net/2008/05/08/updated-rtorrent-libtorrent-packages-for-solaris/ stephen lau says http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=79883 he doesn't maintain them anymore as there's a spec file over here https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/SFErtorrent.spec[03:25:58] <Kalidarn> is there a guide in how to compile spec files into packages?[03:28:20] <e^ipi> yes, the jds community publishes one[03:29:36] <e^ipi> do up to step 3 here: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/contributing/building/[03:29:52] <e^ipi> and then here: http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/[03:30:08] <e^ipi> the "How can I build the packages" subheader[03:31:08] <e^ipi> i've also written a guide on it: http://i18n-freedom.blogspot.com/2009/01/submitting-packages-to-pending.html[03:31:14] <e^ipi> that's for submitting them to pending/[03:31:18] <e^ipi> if you choose to[03:31:23] <jsoftw> ahh pending[03:31:27] <Kalidarn> also will it work for opensolaris 2008.11?[03:31:32] <jsoftw> that's the repo I was trying to remember :D[03:31:35] <Kalidarn> it said something about only working with the express one[03:31:37] <_Lewellyn> Kalidarn: you just want to build it for your own system?[03:31:50] <Kalidarn> yeah[03:31:58] <_Lewellyn> http://blogs.sun.com/mattman/entry/how_to_build_jds_on[03:32:06] <e^ipi> Kalidarn: yes, that guide i wrote was written for 2008.xx[03:32:12] <_Lewellyn> note that there's a new version in step 5, available at pkgbuild.sf.net[03:32:13] <Kalidarn> yay[03:32:34] <Kalidarn> the box is also headless at the moment, but that shouldnt matter[03:32:39] <_Lewellyn> not at all[03:32:53] *** PicCard has quit IRC[03:32:57] <Kalidarn> ill check out mattman's blog[03:32:59] <_Lewellyn> i had a random issue with rtorrent, btw.[03:33:10] <_Lewellyn> i had to touch the output file before it worked[03:33:21] <_Lewellyn> of course, i'd never used it before and may have broke something[03:33:34] <Kalidarn> ;D still got the packages?[03:33:40] <_Lewellyn> oh, yes :)[03:33:45] <_Lewellyn> moment! :D[03:34:02] <_Lewellyn> lemme see which are required[03:34:17] <Kalidarn> from memory, its rtorrent, libtorrent and some c one[03:34:30] <_Lewellyn> yeah. it's the third one i can't remember[03:34:38] <_Lewellyn> oh and xmlrpc[03:34:45] <_Lewellyn> and curl and curses[03:34:50] <Kalidarn> SFWsigc++-2.0.17.pkg[03:34:54] <Kalidarn> thats what ti is[03:35:02] <_Lewellyn> do you have SUNWsigcpp?[03:35:11] <Kalidarn> ah not installed atm[03:35:21] <Kalidarn> not sure if thats actually in the repository[03:35:21] <_Lewellyn> that will satisfy the dependency[03:35:23] <Kalidarn> i dont think it is[03:35:33] <Kalidarn> oh alright ill install it if that is[03:35:56] <_Lewellyn> check that, SUNWcurl, and SUNWncurses[03:36:04] <Kalidarn> yar they are[03:36:22] <_Lewellyn> ok. you'll need those three. i'll plop the SFE ones online in a sec[03:36:30] <Kalidarn> thanks[03:36:41] <Kalidarn> it'd be nice to get them in the official repo ;)[03:36:43] *** axisys has quit IRC[03:36:57] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[03:37:08] <Kalidarn> some day, because there's a lot of zfs servers out there which im sure would be very happy to have that program[03:37:39] <_Lewellyn> erm, in my experience, it's a really annoying program :([03:37:57] <Kalidarn> i'd been using it for yonks on linux[03:42:17] <Kalidarn> oh btw _Lewellyn my box is a amd64[03:42:28] <Kalidarn> its got an E5200 in it[03:44:02] *** linma has joined #opensolaris[03:44:50] <_Lewellyn> Kalidarn: figured. url in a moment. decided to bzip the packages first to save sanity[03:46:13] *** _burzum_ has joined #opensolaris[03:46:16] <_burzum_> hi[03:46:22] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[03:46:26] <_burzum_> One question[03:46:34] <_burzum_> why is it not possible to use[03:46:35] <_burzum_> VT-d[03:46:41] <_burzum_> whit OpenSolaris[03:46:56] <_Lewellyn> Kalidarn: http://looking-glass.greenviolet.net/Solaris/PKGs/[03:47:31] <_Lewellyn> Kalidarn: i have quite a bit of the SFE stuff built, if you need any more :)[03:47:33] <flyingparchment> wtf sort of error message is this? pntadm: 0100144F207C48: 0100144F207C48[03:47:49] <_Lewellyn> a dhcp error?[03:48:05] <Kalidarn> thanks _Lewellyn[03:49:00] <Kalidarn> _Lewellyn: what architecture are those?[03:49:13] <_Lewellyn> x86[03:49:16] <Kalidarn> ah[03:49:32] <Kalidarn> x64?[03:49:35] <Kalidarn> or x32?[03:49:40] <_Lewellyn> i really should put them in a subdir, since i have mostly sparcs[03:49:42] <Kalidarn> is what i was wondering[03:49:53] <_Lewellyn> i built on x64, but whatever the specfiles built[03:50:04] <Kalidarn> ya well nobody has x32 anymore ;)[03:50:10] <_Lewellyn> untrue :([03:50:15] <Kalidarn> true ;)[03:50:23] <Kalidarn> i'd just like to believe it to be so[03:50:24] <sponix2ipfw> Should have known Vuze (Azureus) would kick the crap out of Transmission on OpenSolaris[03:50:28] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[03:50:31] <_Lewellyn> you missed the guy in #solaris last night trying to run something that required 64-bit libs :P[03:50:32] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[03:50:46] <_Lewellyn> sponix2ipfw: is there a package?[03:50:58] <Kalidarn> i threw out all my 32bit computers[03:50:58] <Kalidarn> ;)[03:51:01] <sponix2ipfw> _Lewellyn: I have one, in a way ...[03:51:06] <Kalidarn> well sold them to some other sods[03:51:15] <_Lewellyn> but no official packages, even via SFE or such?[03:51:33] <flyingparchment> i maintained SFEazureus for a while[03:51:38] <_Lewellyn> Kalidarn: i need a squid server, got a spare? :)[03:51:40] <flyingparchment> dunno if it's still there[03:51:51] <_Lewellyn> it is[03:51:56] <_Lewellyn> but i know the name changed :)[03:52:07] <_Lewellyn> only reason i built rtorrent earlier[03:52:21] <_Lewellyn> oh. i shoulda read the specfile[03:52:24] <_Lewellyn> too late now :)[03:52:24] <Kalidarn> _Lewellyn: one yeah it's a 3.00 ghz northwood ;)[03:52:33] <_Lewellyn> Kalidarn: you near san francisco? ;)[03:52:37] <Kalidarn> nope ;)[03:52:40] <Kalidarn> south australia[03:52:41] <Kalidarn> lo[03:52:42] <_Lewellyn> oh bah[03:52:43] <Kalidarn> l[03:53:11] <_Lewellyn> i only need 32 bits since i intend to run squid under os/2 ;)[03:53:11] *** authentic has quit IRC[03:53:17] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[03:53:37] <sponix2ipfw> _Lewellyn: http://www.comp-sos.com/index.php/review/operating-systems/42-unix/80-install-azureus-open-solaris-200805[03:54:29] <sponix2ipfw> _Lewellyn: since it is Java, you can launch the Linux one fine most of the time ;) ... But I just extracted this to a dir, and set the PROGRAM_DIR=/opt/my/dir var inside the "azureus" script to run it and presto ;)[03:54:46] <Kalidarn> sif OS/2 _Lewellyn[03:54:49] <Kalidarn> are you nuts lol[03:54:52] <_burzum_> do somebody know why OpenSolaris dosen't load if[03:54:52] <_burzum_> VT-d is selecte[03:54:54] <_burzum_> if only VT is selected[03:54:56] <_burzum_> it runs[03:55:03] <_burzum_> but Virtualization is slow[03:55:05] <_Lewellyn> wow. i dislike those directions[03:55:14] <_burzum_> slower than software vt[03:56:36] <_Lewellyn> sponix2ipfw: i think i'll skip modifying user_attr for a bittorrent client, thanks[03:56:58] <_Lewellyn> Kalidarn: many people have called me more than nuts over the years[03:58:24] <sponix2ipfw> http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Azureus_for_Solaris_x86[03:58:56] <CIA-40> wl202157@icefox: 6772150 isns daemon doesn't support the statically defined dtrace probe after nws integration into onnv, 6786470 Second invocation of /usr/sbin/isns renders CLI unusable[03:58:57] <CIA-40> Cathy Zhou <Cathy.Zhou at Sun dot COM>: 6808233 someone call a doctor, dlmgmt_upcall_destroy() in need of medical attention, 6810978 dlmgmt_advance_dlconfid() is lost in the woods[03:58:57] <sponix2ipfw> you will need the swt libs from eclipse[04:00:54] <chowmeined> so im assuming after it says "syncing file systems... done" its safe to shutoff the computer?[04:01:58] <_Lewellyn> haha. i like Cathy Shou already[04:02:02] <_Lewellyn> Zhou even[04:02:10] <_Lewellyn> sponix2ipfw: i think i'll skip it :P[04:02:36] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: that would be my assumption, since the filesystems are synced[04:02:55] <chowmeined> i dunno, i clicked shutdown but its just hanging[04:03:23] <_Lewellyn> i guess you don't support powering off for some reason[04:03:36] <_Lewellyn> Kalidarn: lemme know if those packages work for you :)[04:03:52] <Kalidarn> _Lewellyn: they work just fine[04:03:56] <_Lewellyn> sweetness[04:04:02] <Kalidarn> yup[04:04:04] *** ranks_ 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it[04:26:24] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: lemme check[04:26:28] <_burzum_> so at the last line I added[04:26:31] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i'm waiting for a native ntfs driver :P[04:26:36] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[04:26:51] <xRaich[o]2x> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/fuse/[04:27:07] <trichobezoar> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ext3/[04:27:14] <_Lewellyn> ah yeah. osol.org was down the day i meant to find out[04:27:30] <chowmeined> yeah, but i just want to copy my files from old ext2 disks to zfs[04:28:01] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: you could perfom some evil vbox bypass :P[04:28:04] *** mroconnor1 is now known as mroconnor_[04:28:08] <_Lewellyn> there's also the read-only ext3 approach[04:28:28] <chowmeined> oh[04:28:31] <chowmeined> i only need read-only[04:28:38] <chowmeined> read-only ext2, thats all i need[04:28:41] <chowmeined> then i can copy all the files to zfs[04:29:04] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: did i spoil you by showing the dtrace video to you :P[04:29:06] <chowmeined> xRaich[o]2x, or i could do some multi-computer nfs hackery[04:29:14] <xRaich[o]2x> even better[04:29:17] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/binfiles/README.FSWfsmisc.txt[04:29:22] *** mib_0izmc7o3 has quit IRC[04:29:42] <_Lewellyn> that's a scary doc. but it's not too bad[04:29:46] *** syamajala has quit IRC[04:29:52] <_Lewellyn> you can actually stick the things in vfstab[04:30:00] <_Lewellyn> (but i've not tried mounting at boot)[04:30:30] <chowmeined> xRaich[o]2x, nfs would be best?[04:30:38] <chowmeined> because i can do that[04:30:46] <chowmeined> i just guess it would be pretty slow[04:30:46] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: i think it would be easier[04:30:47] <trichobezoar> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ext3/posix_test/ <--- basically the detailed status of the driver[04:30:58] <chowmeined> im moving ~160GB of data[04:30:59] <chowmeined> to zfs[04:31:17] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: you should make some serious coffee :P[04:31:20] <chowmeined> oh[04:31:24] <chowmeined> what about rsync then[04:31:29] <chowmeined> if something messes up i can restart it[04:31:36] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: that FSWfsmisc uses a localhost nfs server (at least for ntfs) :)[04:32:46] <_Lewellyn> just because FSWfsmisc has performed reliably for me on both solaris 10 and opensolaris, i recommend it[04:32:49] <chowmeined> i wish i had gigabit ethernet :P[04:32:56] <_Lewellyn> but there's a LOT of options[04:33:09] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, will it corrupt the data when copying?[04:33:18] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: i've suffered no corruption[04:33:51] <_Lewellyn> /shared on /dev/dsk/c0d0p3 read/write/setuid/devices/hidden/nofoldcase/clamptime/atime/timezone=28800/dev=1980013 on Tue Mar 3 03:05:31 2009[04:33:56] <chowmeined> i just guess in terms of time, it'd be fastest to copy disk to disk[04:34:10] <_Lewellyn> /vista on 127.0.0.1:/ remote/read only/setuid/devices/port=42911/public/vers=2/proto=udp/xattr/dev=5640001 on Tue Mar 3 03:05:28 2009[04:34:16] <chowmeined> im just migrating all my data to zfs[04:34:22] <_Lewellyn> those are the 2 i keep mounted, thanks to FSWfsmisc[04:34:27] <chowmeined> ok[04:34:33] <trichobezoar> read-only :/[04:34:40] <chowmeined> how stable is zfs in 2008.11[04:34:46] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: /vista is readonly, yes[04:34:54] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: what brought you to opensolaris anyway?[04:34:56] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: most of us useit[04:34:56] <xRaich[o]2x> just curious[04:35:03] <chowmeined> xRaich[o]2x, zfs[04:35:03] <_Lewellyn> and now i run to the store. back in a while[04:35:09] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: i use an even never version ;)[04:35:11] *** rv- has quit IRC[04:35:19] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: i mean zfs :)[04:35:22] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: was it you that i showed the dtrace video?[04:35:23] <chowmeined> xRaich[o]2x, i have like 7 hard drives, i want to put them all together and store files[04:35:42] <e^ipi> so do it[04:35:42] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: you can only have a simple mirror for the root pool, if i remember properly[04:35:44] <chowmeined> xRaich[o]2x, in #haiku?[04:35:49] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: yes[04:35:53] <chowmeined> xRaich[o]2x, yes[04:36:10] <xRaich[o]2x> ^^[04:36:15] <chowmeined> e^ipi, that parts not a problem, just migrating the data from ext2 to zfs[04:36:21] <trichobezoar> hmmm nice.... have a 16gb 7-way mirror .... would go fast[04:36:41] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, i dont have enough of the same sized drives for anything else[04:37:13] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: i mean, i think you can only have a 2-drive mirror for the root pool, still[04:37:26] <_Lewellyn> but i''m gone now. highlighting own't get a response for an hour or so :)[04:41:54] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[04:42:55] <chowmeined> xRaich[o]2x, dtrace was a factor too, i wanna try it out[04:43:20] <xRaich[o]2x> chowmeined: highly addictive[04:44:02] <chowmeined> oh[04:44:10] <chowmeined> i can only have one vdev for a root pool[04:44:37] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: i think you can have more drives in a root pool just as long as they are all identical.. or N-way mirrors or just a single drive[04:45:01] <_burzum_> Hey I just removed all the graphics[04:45:07] <_burzum_> and the PC stays[04:45:11] <flyingparchment> yeah, he can make a 7-way mirror for his root pool ;)[04:45:11] <_burzum_> with the message[04:45:19] <_burzum_> Start to prepare identity maps[04:45:27] <_burzum_> Start to prepare identity map for rmrr[04:45:30] <_burzum_> any Ideas[04:45:43] <chowmeined> not exactly what i had in mind[04:45:48] <jamesd_> cool.. on most of the machines i access... i have never even had grahics hardware on board[04:48:31] *** Catsceo has quit IRC[04:51:31] *** Catsceo has joined #opensolaris[04:53:22] <_Lewellyn> jamesd_: good to know.[04:53:41] <_Lewellyn> i heard someone mentioning they couldn't add devices to their root pool's mirror[04:54:26] <jamesd_> i would assume you would have to boot the machine from a cdrom to accomplish it since the pool could be considered busy.[04:55:37] <_Lewellyn> dunno. it doesn't affect me (and likely won't soon), so i kinda didn't pay much attention[04:55:53] <jamesd_> it might be insteresting to plug in a dozen dual port nvidia video cards into a sun 6800 though each one would be limited to 64-bit pci if you could find such a card[04:56:37] <_Lewellyn> there are plenty of dual port cards, all the way back to pci[04:56:38] <_burzum_> so I solved the problem[04:56:50] <_burzum_> but when I start my favorit game - StarCraft[04:57:04] <_burzum_> in the Virtual Mashine it runs fine with software VT[04:57:13] <_burzum_> and with Hardware VT is unplayble[04:57:22] <_burzum_> that means something is wrong[04:57:26] <_burzum_> any ideas[04:57:28] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: if you think about the coding necessary for mirroring.. adding more "ways" to a vdev is just expanding N in a loop[04:57:43] <flyingparchment> _Lewellyn: most people who have that problem are trying to make their rpool a raid10 or raidz[04:58:14] <flyingparchment> i've never yet seen someone complain they couldn't create a 3-way rpool mirror.. it's an uncommon configuration, especially since zfs root removes the need to detech one side to LU[04:58:50] <CIA-40> Dana Myers <Dana.Myers at Sun dot COM>: 6810727 acpica: no need to obfuscate Processor _UID values on non-IA-64 platforms[04:58:57] <Andys^> i tried to make an rpool raid10 the other day :([04:59:01] <_Lewellyn> jamesd_: dunno. i ignored it :)[04:59:12] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: i just want a striped rpool :)[04:59:15] <jamesd_> _burzum_: in a virtual machine, the software/dom0/hypervisor is emulating the video hardware, so turning on the hardware mode is imcompatible with the emulated video device.[04:59:45] <_Lewellyn> oh! and i want a zfs filter driver for windows![05:00:21] <_Lewellyn> jamesd_: so xVM is useless for gaming? good to know[05:00:48] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[05:01:13] <_burzum_> jamesd_[05:01:22] <_burzum_> what does mean?[05:01:29] * jsoftw is happy with xVM for server tasks :)[05:01:32] <_burzum_> thast when I use hardware VT[05:01:37] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: currently it is in solaris, though the linux version allows pci pass through to an extent... not sure how well it does with a video card. pci pass through is being worked on for solaris[05:01:42] <_burzum_> I am not using my Graphics Card[05:02:40] <_Lewellyn> so that eliminates xVM from my list of things to investigate[05:02:48] <_Lewellyn> i have to get wine or vbox cooperating, then[05:03:03] <jamesd_> but apparently the game is not compatible with the hardware mode vt.[05:03:58] <_burzum_> ok[05:04:06] <_burzum_> I learnd one thing[05:04:10] <_burzum_> intel-iommu[05:04:11] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: most games require bare metal for speed reasons... the game in dom0 ( hope it doesn't crash and take down all the other domU's)[05:04:15] <_burzum_> has something to do[05:04:24] <_burzum_> with the thing that when I turn VT-d on[05:04:27] <jamesd_> you could play the game in domu[05:04:30] <_burzum_> solaris is not booting[05:04:40] <_burzum_> what is domu?[05:04:57] *** Kalidarn has quit IRC[05:05:10] <_Lewellyn> jamesd_: you seem helpful for virtualization... i have a question that may make you scream :)[05:05:13] <jamesd_> _burzum_: buy a used x86 box.. and keep it for gaming.. leave the solaris/xen box for server buties[05:05:17] <_burzum_> I already orered[05:05:21] <_burzum_> OpenSolaris Bible[05:05:27] <_burzum_> :)[05:05:45] <jamesd_> _burzum_: but did you do it from my web site... uadmin.blogspot.com[05:05:46] <_burzum_> but I'll reciev it on 13 March[05:05:46] <_Lewellyn> if i were to run vbox in a lx zone, could i then use usb devices? ;) (or will the kernel drivers fail to load?)[05:06:13] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: no clue i haven't touched the lx zones in 2-3 years[05:06:17] <_burzum_> no[05:06:20] <_burzum_> I read it here[05:06:21] <_burzum_> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=304189&tstart=0[05:06:34] <_Lewellyn> jamesd_: seems few people actually use lx zones :([05:07:22] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: it seems to be a marketing ploy, one of many to get linux users to move to solaris, the best so far seems to have been ZFS[05:07:42] <_Lewellyn> jamesd_: that's why i want to get it working. as a marketing ploy ;)[05:08:36] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: use xen/xvm it does a good enough job and keeps the linux peeps happy and gives you the power of ZFS to do storage for them and ease deployment[05:08:54] <_Lewellyn> i keep my laptop screen visible while on-site, so people can see the solarisy goodness. i need to be answer "gimme the rpm so i can show you" when they ask if they can run linux binaries[05:09:08] <_Lewellyn> and i can't use xvm. i lose suspend support completely[05:09:58] <jamesd_> lx also is currently limited to 2.4 kernels currently so that is another road block[05:10:21] <_Lewellyn> i installed SUNWlx26[05:10:28] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[05:10:51] <flyingparchment> linux zones were a shim so people could migrate from RHEL3 quickly.. now we have xvm, i don't see much point to them[05:10:51] <lukehasnoname> If I hotplug a SATA drive, is there a command to refresh the drive list?[05:11:16] <flyingparchment> lukehasnoname: devfsadm[05:11:19] <flyingparchment> lukehasnoname: and/or cfgadm[05:11:21] *** sactodave has quit IRC[05:11:23] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: well, in my case, i need to be able to show "linux compatibility" and xvm appears to not be an option[05:11:34] <_Lewellyn> also, can xvm use the same zfs pool?[05:11:53] <flyingparchment> no, but you can use zvols or nfs[05:12:11] <_Lewellyn> i can't imagine booting linux off nfs :([05:12:36] *** jfisc has quit IRC[05:12:55] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[05:13:46] <lukehasnoname> flyingparchment: none of those worked[05:14:01] <lukehasnoname> reboot will, though. Unfortunately.[05:14:06] <flyingparchment> lukehasnoname: run cfgadm -al and paste the result at rafb.net/paste[05:14:08] <lukehasnoname> *that it's my only option[05:14:17] <lukehasnoname> a ell?[05:14:19] <lukehasnoname> or eye[05:14:24] <flyingparchment> ell[05:14:49] <lukehasnoname> it just does usb[05:15:04] <flyingparchment> do your disks appear as cXtXdX or cXdX?[05:15:43] <lukehasnoname> http://rafb.net/p/GRFNn674.html[05:15:52] <lukehasnoname> cd[05:15:54] <lukehasnoname> no target[05:15:58] <flyingparchment> your SATA controller is in IDE mode[05:16:00] <lukehasnoname> except for ide dvd drive[05:16:04] <flyingparchment> you can't hotplug IDE on solaris[05:16:16] <chowmeined> i wonder if i can hotplug these sata drives[05:16:18] <lukehasnoname> can I adjust my sata controller in the BIOS?[05:16:26] <chowmeined> i guess i should check if the drive and controller supports it right?[05:16:38] <flyingparchment> lukehasnoname: usually, yes. it might be called "AHCI mode" (for Intel) or similar[05:16:53] <lukehasnoname> ok[05:16:59] <flyingparchment> but beware[05:17:11] <flyingparchment> if you change the controller, you'll change the device path, and solaris won't be able to mount root anymore.[05:17:22] <flyingparchment> you need to boot into failsafe and fiddle with bootenv.rc and /etc/vfstab[05:17:55] *** gm152 has quit IRC[05:31:12] <chowmeined> my chipset doesnt support ahci :([05:31:28] <chowmeined> how can i display the size of the disks in solaris?[05:31:55] <chowmeined> or even just the disk model[05:32:35] *** jsoftw has quit IRC[05:33:15] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: fdisk?[05:33:35] <_Lewellyn> you can do some very quick math :)[05:34:01] <_Lewellyn> num cyl * cyl size * block size[05:34:42] <_Lewellyn> then divide down from bytes into your measurement of choice (or ask google 438943809 bytes in gigabytes)[05:35:10] *** bsdbandit has joined #opensolaris[05:35:14] <bsdbandit> hey guys[05:37:03] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, cannot open device, its not /dev/rdsk/c7d0s0 ?[05:37:13] <_Lewellyn> s2[05:37:28] <_Lewellyn> p0, s2. all you need to remember :)[05:37:29] <chowmeined> cannot open device[05:37:46] <_Lewellyn> is it a solaris disk?[05:38:43] <chowmeined> it has a dos partition table[05:38:50] <_Lewellyn> also, did you install those 2 FSW* packages i linked you to earlier?[05:38:54] <_Lewellyn> pfexec prtpart[05:39:38] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, i was getting there[05:39:57] <_Lewellyn> prtpart will probably do precisely whatever you're trying to really do[05:39:58] <chowmeined> i have an 80GB drive and a 250GB drive i just want to know which is which so i can add the right one to the zpool[05:40:09] *** gaveen has quit IRC[05:40:29] <_Lewellyn> mount the other one before adding the one to the zpool, just in case of typos :)[05:41:40] <chowmeined> mount which one?[05:42:34] <_Lewellyn> the one you don't want to mistakenly kill :)[05:42:40] *** swa_work has quit IRC[05:42:45] <chowmeined> :-/[05:43:05] <chowmeined> this is counter-productive[05:43:06] <_Lewellyn> paranoia saves data[05:43:16] <_Lewellyn> pfexec prtpart[05:43:16] <chowmeined> i dont know which drive is which[05:43:20] <chowmeined> i cant mount either of them[05:43:20] <_Lewellyn> you'll see which disk is which[05:43:25] <chowmeined> prtpart isnt installed[05:43:28] <_Lewellyn> then you can mount the "keeper"[05:43:31] <chowmeined> and FSWfsmisc isnt in the repository[05:43:34] <_Lewellyn> i gave you the url to it like an hour ago[05:44:00] <_Lewellyn> http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/binfiles/README.FSWfsmisc.txt[05:44:18] <chowmeined> oh that was part of that[05:44:18] <chowmeined> ok[05:44:37] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[05:44:44] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[05:44:58] <chowmeined> well i fixed openbsd's dhcp issue[05:45:01] <chowmeined> so thats a start[05:46:45] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[05:47:29] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, ok thanks, thats installed[05:48:29] <chowmeined> that works great, thank you[05:51:33] <chowmeined> sorry, i just thought the package was for ext2 support, not for reading partitions[05:53:16] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[05:54:31] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: that's the other package[05:54:57] <_Lewellyn> read that doc for directions :P[05:55:20] <chowmeined> yea i got it now heh, thanks[05:55:21] *** sahX_ has joined #opensolaris[05:55:56] <chowmeined> so its better to have each part of a mirror on a different controller?[05:57:12] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[05:58:54] <CIA-40> Jan Setje-Eilers <Jan.Setje-Eilers at Sun dot COM>: 6812677 debug kernels trip over an assertion when pressing a key on a ps/2 keyboard[05:59:06] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[06:00:07] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[06:01:36] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: depends on who you talk to :)[06:01:48] <_Lewellyn> i tend to say yes, but sata apparently does that anyhow[06:02:04] *** sahX has quit IRC[06:04:09] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, i think my sata controller isnt native though, they appear as ide drives[06:05:04] <_Lewellyn> appearances mean nothing. :)[06:06:06] <chowmeined> well, i guess thats how ill go with it[06:18:21] <_Lewellyn> hm. CDs don't seem to be automounting[06:19:09] <_Lewellyn> how can i troubleshoot that? svc:/system/filesystem/autofs:default is online[06:19:52] *** cwebber has quit IRC[06:20:57] *** _burzum_ has left #opensolaris[06:21:20] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[06:28:20] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[06:30:40] *** alain10 has quit IRC[06:33:54] *** rohini has joined #opensolaris[06:36:34] * _Lewellyn kicks the automounter[06:37:32] <_Lewellyn> autofs "replaces" vold, right?[06:40:15] *** ken is now known as ken-work[06:46:07] <chowmeined> so im copying a bunch of files (60GB) from ext2 to zfs, is it normal for the cpu to spike on and off, and for the copy to pause periodically for about 10 seconds?[06:47:13] *** krisis has joined #opensolaris[06:49:35] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:50:04] <samc> I noticed the same thing a couple of days ago when I was pulling 30gb or so across the network with rsync, cpu usage seemed to bounce around a bit and the rysnc speed dropped off at times[06:50:07] *** comay has quit IRC[06:50:13] <samc> I guess zfs doing its sanity checking or something[06:50:28] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[06:50:41] <samc> some of the stuff I was copying was going into datasets with compression turned on too though, which would have consumed some cpu time[06:51:44] *** _Steve_ has quit IRC[06:51:51] <chowmeined> interesting[06:56:03] *** _Steve_ has joined #opensolaris[06:56:12] *** bsdbandit has quit IRC[07:02:29] *** llragsll has joined #opensolaris[07:02:55] <llragsll> I am booting from a JET server. I don't want to install solaris.How to drop to the prompt?[07:03:22] <chowmeined> stop a[07:03:22] <chowmeined> ?[07:04:02] *** oxygen-a1dict has joined #opensolaris[07:04:08] <chowmeined> hmm, bad guess oh well[07:04:22] <llragsll> u mean break?[07:04:36] <llragsll> i don't want the ok prompt[07:04:48] <chowmeined> oh, not the openboot prompt[07:04:48] <chowmeined> ok[07:04:56] <llragsll> ctrl-c just starts hanging...[07:05:32] <llragsll> how far should i let the stup continue...[07:05:39] <llragsll> *setup[07:06:32] <llragsll> i tried ctrl+c at the nfs setup...[07:07:37] *** kmays has quit IRC[07:09:08] <_Lewellyn> cause it to segfault? ;)[07:09:56] <_Lewellyn> kmays has an old seamonkey...[07:14:32] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[07:15:30] *** yoursdai has joined #opensolaris[07:16:03] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[07:16:23] <yoursdai> Could anyone tell me how set a share name for a nfs share in opensolaris?[07:16:56] <llragsll> got it....just had to go thru the setup untill it gives"press F5 to exit"...duh[07:19:02] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[07:19:55] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[07:20:44] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[07:27:33] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[07:30:38] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[07:32:52] *** anilg has quit IRC[07:34:07] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[07:34:11] *** anilg1 is now known as anilg[07:36:13] <krisis> yoursdai: AFAIK, there is no name associated with nfs share.[07:36:44] *** lesterc has quit IRC[07:36:55] <krisis> yoursdai: What you can have is a description string associated with the particular share using share -F nfs -d "desc string"...[07:37:08] <yoursdai> krisis,thank you very much![07:37:09] <krisis> yoursdai: does this help?[07:37:20] <yoursdai> yes[07:39:46] <qiyong> which cp is faster? from one disk to another, cp, cpio?[07:40:44] *** llragsll has left #opensolaris[07:41:53] <_Lewellyn> dd :D[07:48:04] <krisis> qiyong: cpio has a limitation that it cannot be used for file larger than 8gb (refer man cpio, man largefile)[07:48:36] <_Lewellyn> yeah. use pax[07:48:47] <_Lewellyn> i think pax has LFS[07:48:48] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[07:48:49] <krisis> qiyong: and dd seems to be a popular choice for such really large file copies/backup[07:49:27] *** stewart has quit IRC[07:49:57] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[07:50:20] <krisis> _Lewellyn: pax does not figure in the largefile aware list, so wouldnt that also fail as a candidate on large copies?[07:50:36] *** lblume\ has joined #opensolaris[07:50:59] <_Lewellyn> oh. i thought it was largefile-aware[07:51:13] *** lblume\ is now known as lblume[07:51:25] <krisis> _Lewellyn: even i was not aware of that until i bumped into man largefile :)[07:51:41] *** Deesl has joined #opensolaris[07:52:23] <_Lewellyn> ah. it's largefile-friendly[07:52:32] <_Lewellyn> but with the same 8gb-1byte limit as cpio[07:52:33] <qiyong> _Lewellyn: krisis i don't thiink dd can do, they are directories, not a single file.[07:52:38] <_Lewellyn> use tar[07:53:04] <krisis> qiyong: Do you really have files > 8gb?[07:53:26] <_Lewellyn> krisis: you're the one who mentioned > 8gb files[07:53:30] <krisis> qiyong: if you dont, you can jolly well use cpio[07:53:32] <qiyong> krisis: yes, now i'm processing large directoires, not a single file[07:53:46] <krisis> _Lewellyn: sorry, i was just a bit too picky i guess.[07:53:47] <_Lewellyn> or pax if you want to be modern :)[07:54:04] <krisis> _Lewellyn: i made a mention in case it was overlooked :([07:54:09] <qiyong> krisis: so cpio is faster than cp, and dd doesn't work on directory?[07:54:23] <_Lewellyn> i don't assume people have huge files unless they explicitly mention it[07:54:32] <_Lewellyn> dd copies disk blocks[07:54:33] <g4lt-lappy> well if you have >8G files, solaris is the way to go....[07:54:35] <krisis> qiyong: i need to find out about dd[07:54:37] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[07:54:40] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: agreed[07:54:45] <_Lewellyn> just not with cpio or pax :)[07:55:05] <_Lewellyn> which kinda is ironic, since pax was supposed to bridge the holy war between cpio and tar[07:55:05] <qiyong> _Lewellyn: the tar-ed directory would be > 8G[07:55:17] <_Lewellyn> qiyong: irrelevant[07:55:38] <_Lewellyn> qiyong: you can use a pipe[07:55:43] <g4lt-lappy> certain other OSes *cough*fat32*cough* fail pretty miserably with large files[07:59:03] *** cypromis has quit IRC[07:59:23] *** div110 has joined #opensolaris[08:00:06] <g4lt-lappy> <blatant troll>use star</troll>[08:01:00] <fraggeln> is there today any encryption methods to use on a zfs filesystem?[08:01:16] *** yoursdai has quit IRC[08:02:52] <e^ipi> gpg[08:02:56] <g4lt-lappy> any yiour little heart desires, courtesy of pipes[08:03:31] <g4lt-lappy> and that's the way it should always be. zfs is a fooking filesystem, not an encryption method[08:04:33] <fraggeln> g4lt-lappy: no, ofc not, but all good filesystems has features, like compression and crap like that.[08:04:43] <fraggeln> so why not built in encryption as well?[08:05:30] <g4lt-lappy> patches accepted[08:05:44] *** sahX_ has quit IRC[08:05:48] <fraggeln> im no codemonkey im afraid, I work with backups :)[08:06:05] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[08:06:14] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:06:29] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[08:06:44] <lukehasnoname> flyingparchment: What was the command I was using to try torefresh my sata drives?[08:07:13] <lukehasnoname> aha, channel log[08:07:18] <g4lt-lappy> well, calling people who ae in a position to do what you want "codemonkey"s isn't a really good way to start...[08:07:49] <fraggeln> It was not intendes as a insult.[08:07:53] <fraggeln> intended.[08:08:05] <lukehasnoname> is codemonkey an insult?[08:08:13] <fraggeln> lukehasnoname: not for me[08:08:58] <g4lt-lappy> depends if you want them to do something. typically, it's a good idea to refer to people you want to do things in unambiguously complimentary terms ;P[08:09:00] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[08:10:28] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[08:11:00] <lukehasnoname> OK, so I hotplugged two sata drives, ran cfgadm -al, and it says the two disks I connected are there but unconfigured / unknown. iostat and format don't see them[08:11:04] <Tpenta> yay[08:11:04] <lukehasnoname> any way to fix that?[08:11:14] <Tpenta> oops wrong screen[08:11:18] * _Lewellyn feels the real solution is having hard disk controllers which store the encryption key on something removable and then encrypt in hardware on-the-fly[08:11:33] <_Lewellyn> i.e. "put tab a in slot b to boot"[08:12:13] <lblume> lukehasnoname: Did you run devfsadm? with -v for good measure.[08:12:15] *** msou| has joined #opensolaris[08:12:18] <_Lewellyn> but that's definitely in the future[08:12:35] <_Lewellyn> till then, we have to deal with things like microsoft bitlocker :P[08:13:31] <lukehasnoname> lblume: Still "unconfigured/unknown"[08:13:49] <fraggeln> g4lt-lappy: Dear supercoder, I have a small request :)[08:15:55] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[08:16:14] *** sartek has quit IRC[08:16:29] <lblume> You can use ccfgadm to set them in the configured state, hmm, it's been a while since I've done hotplug with sata, but should work.[08:16:30] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[08:16:37] <e^ipi> fraggeln: send patches. if you can't send patches, send money[08:16:47] <e^ipi> if you have no money, send beer. belgian is preferred[08:16:51] *** rennj has joined #opensolaris[08:17:01] <lukehasnoname> cfgadm[08:17:02] <fraggeln> e^ipi: I only drink irish beer :D[08:17:03] <lukehasnoname> damn[08:17:05] <g4lt-lappy> e[08:17:06] <lukehasnoname> wrong window, heh[08:17:08] <g4lt-lappy> bah[08:17:09] <e^ipi> that's unfortunate for you[08:17:27] <g4lt-lappy> e^ipi: depends, I want to know the presidentail beer first ;P[08:18:03] <e^ipi> ?[08:18:17] <g4lt-lappy> apparently barack obama was caught on film quaffing at a wiz/bulls game[08:18:55] <lukehasnoname> fraggeln: cfgadm -c configure sata4/1[08:19:00] <e^ipi> so what, he's an adult?[08:19:01] <g4lt-lappy> I'd want to know what beer the prez likes before getting more beer ;P[08:19:03] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: sure it wasn't bud?[08:19:12] <lukehasnoname> I wasn't using cfgadm to its full potential, thanks for the indirect pointer[08:19:14] <e^ipi> the only criticism for that is that it was probably watery american pisswater[08:19:40] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: it was at a basketball game. the best it would be is heiny[08:19:57] <lukehasnoname> quaffing?[08:20:29] <e^ipi> it's a word[08:20:40] *** koan has quit IRC[08:20:42] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[08:20:46] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[08:20:49] <lukehasnoname> "Quaff!"[08:20:52] <g4lt-lappy> _Lewellyn: NFI, it was a piss-colored beer, so it was prolly a $7.50 bud or coors, but I still want to know before I buy more beer, 'coz I'd like tothink I'm grabbing the same cold one the POTUS drinks ;P[08:21:17] <lblume> lukehasnoname: Also needed before unplugging a drive, and there's the option to send an hardware commands (-x), like reset, sometimes useful[08:21:31] <lukehasnoname> nice[08:21:52] *** mroconno1_ has joined #opensolaris[08:21:56] <e^ipi> why can't you guys elect someone with some taste[08:22:12] <lukehasnoname> ok, I keep getting this error that I looked up a bit, kind of understand, but don't know how to fix:[08:22:13] <lukehasnoname> gaul@cloud:~# zpool attach rpool c3t3d0 c3t2d0 cannot label 'c3t2d0': EFI labeled devices are not supported on root pools.[08:22:35] <lblume> Look at the specific man pages for the details(cfgadm_sata(1M) for example)[08:22:35] <samc> lukehasnoname: you can't add a whole disk to your root pool[08:22:47] <samc> you need to partition it and add a partition instead[08:22:55] <lblume> lukehasnoname: Well, you can, but it needs an fdisk partition.[08:22:58] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[08:23:03] *** anilg has quit IRC[08:23:13] <g4lt-lappy> EFI is a kludge that needs to die anyways[08:23:19] <lblume> Most (99.99999%) of PC BIOSes don't know EFI, and thus can't boot rom it.[08:23:37] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[08:23:43] <lukehasnoname> What fs to use in formatting the soon-to-be mirroring drive?[08:23:56] <lblume> So it needs that good old IBM PC AT compatible way of dividing hard disks.[08:24:12] <samc> I came across that message recently actually, was wondering why you can't just give the whole disk to zfs and install grub to the MBR[08:24:23] <lblume> You use fdisk, to create a Solaris2 partiton using the whole disk.[08:24:25] <samc> like what freebsd does when you install it in dedicated mode[08:24:53] *** tamr has quit IRC[08:25:05] *** niq has quit IRC[08:25:11] <lblume> You then create a full slice on it, and use that for ZFS.[08:25:31] <lukehasnoname> so I have a 100% solaris2 partition on the disk[08:25:34] <g4lt-lappy> does fbsd kill EFI? not too sure that's a wise choice, as win and macos will never go on the disk without it[08:25:45] <lblume> You'll probably need to run devfsadm then, since the /dev pointers for slices were probably not created.[08:27:05] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[08:28:15] <lukehasnoname> Where will I see the label to use for attaching the partition to the rpool[08:28:26] *** sartek has quit IRC[08:29:01] <lblume> It's the number of the slice you created.[08:29:26] <lblume> Should be like /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s0 if you created slice0.[08:30:49] <lukehasnoname> Did I create the slice if I formatted it, or am I missing a step?[08:31:18] *** kibibyte has quit IRC[08:31:20] <lblume> You don't need to format it per se (no newfs on it)[08:31:44] <lukehasnoname> er[08:31:48] <lukehasnoname> fdisk'ed it[08:31:50] <lblume> Only partition it (format -> fdisk), then slice it (format -> partition)[08:31:55] <lukehasnoname> ah[08:31:58] <g4lt-lappy> /dev/rdsk/c(controller)t(LUN)d(disk)s(slice)[p(partition) for crappy disks][08:32:05] *** kibibyte has joined #opensolaris[08:32:51] <lblume> I hate that damn ambiguous terminology :-)[08:33:03] *** __ms has quit IRC[08:33:28] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[08:34:11] <lblume> Oh, and like I said, run devfsadm -v after the slicing to get the devices.[08:34:34] <g4lt-lappy> god only knows that coming back to it from certain other OSes is refreshing to say the least[08:35:06] <lukehasnoname> devfsadm -v gives no output[08:35:11] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:35:13] <g4lt-lappy> dammit, I shouldn't have CP/M naming in 2009![08:35:23] <fraggeln> anyone knows if de-dup is planned for zfs?[08:35:54] <lblume> lukehasnoname: You can check the devices are there in /dev/dsk then, and use them.[08:36:39] <g4lt-lappy> lblume: for zpools, shouldn't hyou use rdsks?[08:37:02] <lukehasnoname> format > partition >print shows partition 0 tagged root taking 100% of the disk[08:37:20] <lblume> No, it asks for dsk.[08:38:07] <g4lt-lappy> shows how much I car^Wknow[08:39:10] *** Ollie_R_ has quit IRC[08:39:19] <lblume> I don't think it really matters anyway. This is ZFS. More than a simple FS, it's code that has almost achieved sentience by itself, and will bring you decently brewed coffee to your desk in a not too distant update, I'm sure.[08:39:37] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[08:40:03] <g4lt-lappy> but then what will trochej do?[08:40:28] <_Lewellyn> before i go and bork something... to dd, it's /dev/dsk/c0d0p0 and not /dev/rdsk/c0d0p0, correct?[08:40:47] <g4lt-lappy> right, rdsk is raw access[08:41:00] <lblume> Oh, he'll patch it so it's *really* good. I'm afraid that having American programmers do it, it will taste like hot water, and will need some localization work.[08:41:10] <g4lt-lappy> usually used only for fdisk and mount[08:41:10] *** sahX has quit IRC[08:41:27] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris[08:42:05] <g4lt-lappy> wait, coffee doesn't have to dissolve the spoon in america?! NOW you tell me[08:42:09] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: mmk. it's getting late and i don't need sloppy fingers. thanks :)[08:42:54] <g4lt-lappy> next you'll tell me that cocoa doesn't have to be dark brown in america[08:43:40] <g4lt-lappy> okay, you've now made me realize there isn't anything in america that isn't mostly water :([08:43:44] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[08:44:01] <lblume> Oh, there you're wrong![08:44:43] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[08:44:45] <lblume> The ingredients list in America are always very long, and include 10- to 20-letter words, with lots of x, y, and such.[08:45:00] <e^ipi> g4lt-lappy: water + some sort of corn byproduct[08:45:01] *** lukehasnoname2 has joined #opensolaris[08:45:09] <samc> hrm, anything I need to do to get the gnome-vfs SMB browser working? I've enabled svc:/network/smb/client and now it's getting the list of workgroups but no computers[08:45:17] <e^ipi> and artificial flavours[08:45:19] <samc> SMB needs to die :\[08:45:20] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[08:45:21] <e^ipi> but they spell it 'flavors'[08:45:35] <lukehasnoname2> we take out unnecessary letters[08:45:37] <lukehasnoname2> color[08:45:41] <lukehasnoname2> flavor[08:45:42] <lukehasnoname2> gray[08:45:46] <lukehasnoname2> wether[08:45:48] <samc> nucular[08:45:51] <e^ipi> heh[08:45:51] <lukehasnoname2> heh[08:46:24] <e^ipi> the only country in the world i know of that /actually/ takes out unnecessary letters is serbia[08:46:29] <lblume> Sorry to leave this conversation, got to go get out some cash to buy my first own cell phone ever...[08:46:45] <e^ipi> where each letter is a distinct sound[08:47:21] <e^ipi> <lblume> I am a luddite and like to announce it. I shall leave now to drive my horse carriage to market to court a young lady[08:47:53] <e^ipi> ;)[08:48:12] <lblume> I'm not a luddite, I just had to give my company'ss cell phone back recently :-P[08:48:34] <lblume> The awful concept of having to pay for the bills is frightening![08:49:05] *** lblume has quit IRC[08:49:11] <e^ipi> i actually respect the luddites *shrug*[08:49:23] <e^ipi> real luddites, not people like my mom just afraid of technology[08:49:48] <e^ipi> the kind that smashed industrial machinery because it put people out of work[08:50:08] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[08:50:33] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[08:53:15] *** fallenhi1okiri has quit IRC[08:53:37] *** fallenhitokiri has joined #opensolaris[08:54:07] <g4lt-lappy> just don't smash deutsche telekomm stuff, I use t-mob over here ;P[08:55:15] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[08:55:39] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[08:58:22] <lukehasnoname2> cannot attach c3t2d0s2 to c3t3d0s0: new device must be a single disk[08:58:27] <lukehasnoname2> FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU[08:58:51] <CIA-40> Milan Cermak <Milan.Cermak at Sun dot COM>: 6804101 fsck: file descriptor comparisons should deal with 0 correctly[09:00:38] <trochej> Mornin[09:00:38] <e^ipi> lukehasnoname: s2 = whole disk[09:00:41] <trochej> Coffee[09:01:17] <g4lt-lappy> trochej: sorry, the new version o zfs already brewed up mine ;P[09:01:52] <trochej> :)[09:03:38] <_Lewellyn> new zfs, wha huh?[09:04:37] <lukehasnoname2> I just read a blog that says you can't use the "Use whole disk" option of the Opensolaris installer if you want to mirror that root disk later.[09:04:54] <g4lt-lappy> _Lewellyn: your joke about it making coffee[09:05:13] * _Lewellyn made a joke?[09:05:16] <_Lewellyn> was it funny?[09:05:20] * _Lewellyn was afk[09:05:21] <lukehasnoname2> Is this true?[09:05:27] <lukehasnoname2> (what I typed)[09:06:08] <e^ipi> lukehasnoname: no[09:06:18] <e^ipi> the installer can 'use whole disk'[09:06:33] <g4lt-lappy> typically raidz mirroring should be set up first. it's a bitch to raidz a whole disk after the fact[09:06:33] <e^ipi> but you can't give the entire disk to zfs later, as that throws an EFI label on it[09:06:50] <e^ipi> you also can't raidz a root disk[09:07:08] <e^ipi> lukehasnoname: http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html[09:07:14] <e^ipi> that's the correct way to mirror your root disk[09:08:56] <ofu> is it possible to manually spin down a sata drive? as in cfgadm -c unconfigure or luxadm -e offline[09:09:03] <jmcp> not at this point[09:09:14] <jmcp> there has been some interest from people I work with to get that happening[09:09:23] <jmcp> along with all the other things they're doing[09:09:33] <lukehasnoname2> e^ipi: sadly underdocumented tutorial[09:09:58] <e^ipi> lukehasnoname2: i think someone's planning on implementing the functionality in the installer[09:10:39] <chowmeined> this is really missing a lot of needed information[09:11:31] <e^ipi> "this" meaning what exactly?[09:12:25] <e^ipi> copying a partition table to another disk is documented, mirroring a disk in zfs is documented, and installing the boot block is documented[09:12:35] <e^ipi> the glue is in the wetware[09:13:58] <_Lewellyn> wet glue! let it dry! :)[09:13:58] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:16:35] *** msou| has quit IRC[09:16:50] *** narmac has joined #opensolaris[09:17:09] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:17:38] <DTEIT> morning[09:17:44] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[09:17:58] <e^ipi> including step-by-step instructions on everything you might reasonably want to do would be a quixotic task[09:19:03] <g4lt-lappy> especially since Sun doesn't do step-by-step, they overdocument first and let you figure out the steps[09:19:12] *** qiyong has quit IRC[09:20:09] *** anilg has quit IRC[09:20:14] *** Mortas has joined #opensolaris[09:22:46] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[09:24:02] *** sohewo has joined #opensolaris[09:25:37] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[09:26:02] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[09:28:20] *** rohini has quit IRC[09:28:35] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[09:30:48] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris[09:33:23] <flyingparchment> "Solaris 10 64X86"[09:33:27] <flyingparchment> as if we didn't have enough names for amd64 already[09:35:14] *** cypromis has quit IRC[09:36:16] <devians> is anyone familiar with problems with python in opensolaris, ala http://flexget.com/ticket/210[09:36:47] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[09:37:02] *** narmac has quit IRC[09:37:37] *** a_k_e has joined #opensolaris[09:38:00] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:38:03] <chowmeined> i think the ext2fs plugin didnt work[09:38:09] *** twisti has quit IRC[09:38:12] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: where's this?[09:38:20] <flyingparchment> DSEE download page[09:38:24] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: define "doesn't work"[09:38:26] <chowmeined> either that or the filesystem actually got corrupted[09:38:34] <_Lewellyn> DSEE? DropStuff with Expander Enhancer? :)[09:38:51] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, several directories (or names that should be directories) aren't, they are just null files[09:39:01] <_Lewellyn> that's not good :([09:39:18] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: which ext3 approach did you use?[09:39:48] <chowmeined> mount -F ext2fs /dev/dsk/c5d1p1 /mnt/music[09:40:00] <_Lewellyn> so the FSW package?[09:40:03] <chowmeined> yes[09:40:17] <_Lewellyn> well, there's at least 3 other approaches... :P[09:40:18] <chowmeined> im going to reboot and check this under linux to see if maybe the filesystem got corrupted[09:41:28] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[09:43:30] <_Lewellyn> devians: that doesn't appear to be an opensolaris issue. i think they've forgotten some sanity checking with dbm.[09:43:46] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[09:43:48] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, what were the other approaches? rsync from a linux box? , i dont remember the others[09:45:54] <_Lewellyn> the under-development ext3 driver[09:45:58] <_Lewellyn> and nfs[09:46:04] <_Lewellyn> and cifs[09:46:16] *** albert_ke has quit IRC[09:46:20] <flyingparchment> i wish it was possible to have cron-like entries in SMF[09:46:20] <_Lewellyn> think there was another[09:46:29] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: agreed[09:46:31] <flyingparchment> so my package could install a manifest that the user could enable/disable without having to add stuff to crontab manually[09:51:45] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, well its still showing nulls for some dirs in linux too[09:51:54] <chowmeined> i hope i didnt corrupt it during the copy[09:52:13] <_Lewellyn> not very likely[09:52:18] *** maki has joined #opensolaris[09:52:40] <chowmeined> it was all in ext2 :-/ so maybe some power loss caused this[09:53:48] *** Sparcus is now known as Guest62217[09:54:18] *** maki is now known as Sparcus[09:54:30] <_Lewellyn> lots of things can cause data loss on ext*[09:54:43] <_Lewellyn> i like to blame the bogeyman[09:58:49] *** lukehasnoname2 has quit IRC[10:02:01] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:06:26] *** Guest62217 has quit IRC[10:13:54] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, i think the drive might be going bad, maybe thats why the I/O kept pausing[10:14:22] <_Lewellyn> :([10:14:55] <chowmeined> _Lewellyn, i can use a bad drive in zfs right? :D[10:15:05] * _Lewellyn punts[10:15:09] <_Lewellyn> i wouldn't know[10:16:04] <fraggeln> 4th down, and he punts.. bad choice... :D[10:16:21] <chowmeined> well if it can deal with a sledgehammer[10:16:33] <chowmeined> a bad drive shouldnt be too much trouble[10:18:08] *** communicator has quit IRC[10:19:05] *** krisis has left #opensolaris[10:19:29] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[10:20:15] <monsted> chowmeined: it's only trouble if it actually tries to read or write the bad part of the drive[10:20:33] <chowmeined> monsted, wont zfs remap to other parts of the drive if it runs into problems?[10:20:37] <_Lewellyn> and what are the odds of that? :)[10:20:39] <chowmeined> as well as recover it from the mirror[10:21:01] <_Lewellyn> heh. i was just called a troll in ##linux. my life is now complete[10:21:10] <chowmeined> what did you say o.o[10:21:14] <trochej> _Lewellyn: Paste thread. :)[10:21:15] *** twisti__ has joined #opensolaris[10:21:16] <Andys^> and thelol[10:21:50] <chowmeined> oh i see[10:22:02] <chowmeined> tornoobs are tornoobs[10:22:27] <_Lewellyn> it's nothing all that amusing[10:22:30] <_Lewellyn> http://nopaste.info/92b2481f19.html[10:23:20] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:23:44] *** twisti__ is now known as twisti[10:26:15] *** niq has quit IRC[10:26:18] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[10:26:26] <Stric> _Lewellyn: so you got called a troll by some asswipe that was offtopic anyway.. well done..[10:26:46] <_Lewellyn> yeah. it made my night :)[10:27:54] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:27:57] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[10:28:50] <wdp_> <_Lewellyn> i only ssh into my vista box, for command prompts[10:28:55] <wdp_> i would have called u a troll too[10:28:58] <wdp_> :P[10:29:06] <_Lewellyn> that was related to the powershell discussion :)[10:29:09] <wdp_> :P[10:29:14] <trochej> wdp_: What, for command prompts? :)[10:29:21] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[10:31:04] *** e-jat has quit IRC[10:31:54] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[10:38:17] <trochej> C[10:38:17] <trochej> O[10:38:18] <trochej> F[10:38:19] <trochej> F[10:38:19] <trochej> E[10:38:22] <trochej> E[10:38:41] <fraggeln> milk?[10:38:43] <_Lewellyn> DEADBEEF[10:38:44] <fraggeln> or black?[10:39:50] <trochej> Both[10:40:00] <trochej> And yes, dead beef to, but roasted[10:40:01] <trochej> :)[10:40:07] <trochej> s/to/too/[10:40:39] <_Lewellyn> C0FFEE && DEADBEEF && BABE[10:41:53] *** devians has quit IRC[10:42:09] <div110> can i take a zfs-snapshot of an iscsi-exported volume while it's being mounted on another system? i'm asking this question because it seems to not work ...[10:42:14] <monsted> && B00B5[10:42:29] <_Lewellyn> monsted: that comes with the BABE, ideally[10:42:41] <_Lewellyn> i really hope they're not a separate item. ew.[10:43:00][10:43:27] <monsted> now i know what my ipv6 address will be :)[10:43:54] <tsoome> div110: Snapshots[10:43:54] <tsoome> A snapshot is a read-only copy of a file system or volume.[10:44:26] <tsoome> so according to man, it should be possible.[10:44:35] <monsted> i believe it's possible, yes[10:44:43] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[10:44:43] <monsted> what are you doing and how does it fail?[10:45:02] <_Lewellyn> 0B:AB:EB:00:B1:E5?[10:45:02] <tsoome> its another issue that taking snapshot from iscsi volume without client system coordination is quite pointless[10:45:39] <monsted> _Lewellyn: 2002:what:ever::b00:b1e5[10:45:53] <div110> zfs says: cannot create snapshot ... dataset does not exist[10:46:16] <_Lewellyn> oh yeah. it's 4 per group on ipv6[10:51:47] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[10:52:09] <tsoome> div110: well, i did just create an snapshot from zvol, altho, it wasnt exported with iscsi tho[10:54:03] <monsted> div110: what command are you using?[10:57:40] *** Trident has quit IRC[10:57:50] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris[10:58:57] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[10:59:28] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[10:59:33] *** dunc has quit IRC[11:00:03] *** bwy has joined #opensolaris[11:00:24] <div110> monsted: zfs snapshot -r <volume>[11:00:46] <div110> monsted: zfs snapshot -r <volume>@<timespec>[11:00:51] *** sartek has quit IRC[11:01:16] <kibibyte> hi[11:01:21] <kibibyte> how to dispaly routing table[11:01:22] *** cmihai` has quit IRC[11:01:24] <kibibyte> in opensolaris[11:01:48] <div110> kibibyte: netstat -rn[11:02:49] <kibibyte> ok[11:02:58] <kibibyte> and where to define default route[11:02:59] <kibibyte> ?[11:03:08] <kibibyte> in what file[11:03:11] <gerryxiao> pkg.sunfreeware.com:9000/dev can as rep?[11:03:53] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[11:04:13] <kibibyte> div110,[11:05:23] <div110> kibibyte: /etc/defaultrouter[11:05:36] <kibibyte> i dont have such file[11:05:37] <kibibyte> :/[11:05:39] <gerryxiao> how to kill a x program in os?[11:05:49] <div110> query kibibyte[11:06:00] <Stric> click the X in the top right corner?[11:06:07] <kibibyte> div110, ??[11:06:28] <div110> kibibyte you have to create that file[11:06:43] <gerryxiao> xkill?[11:07:16] <kibibyte> div110, i executed command route add default 192.168.0.1[11:07:22] <kibibyte> and it works[11:07:23] <kibibyte> but[11:07:31] <kibibyte> will it be saved after reboot?[11:07:35] <Stric> no[11:07:42] <Stric> echo 192.168.0.1 > /etc/defaultrouter[11:07:47] <kibibyte> ok[11:09:31] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[11:09:44] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[11:10:22] <lblume> lukehasnoname: any luck with your zpool?[11:11:16] <tsoome> div110: in my snv_108 snapshots on iscsi zvol are working just ok[11:14:24] <tsoome> with leopard client i was even able to rollback and get deleted data back. obviously it was just an trivial test - removed one file; disconnected volume and after rollback and reconnect the file was back...[11:14:38] <chowmeined> oh[11:14:45] <chowmeined> i should probably download the updates[11:15:11] <lukehasnoname> not really[11:15:13] <lukehasnoname> lblume:[11:15:20] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[11:15:30] <lukehasnoname> I got tired of not understanding how the hell to get root mirrored right[11:15:39] <lukehasnoname> it's not even important, I just wanted to learn and try it out[11:16:12] *** Ollie_R has joined #opensolaris[11:16:31] <chowmeined> lukehasnoname, oh[11:16:35] <chowmeined> lukehasnoname, i got that working[11:16:46] <chowmeined> but it doesnt make any sense[11:17:26] <lukehasnoname> chowmeined: you're telling me[11:17:43] <div110> tsoome: i'm not sure about my opensolaris version ... i'm running nexenta .... maybe i should try a (native/vanilla) opensolaris?[11:17:44] <chowmeined> the root zpool is so limited[11:17:48] <chowmeined> its kind of awkward[11:18:13] <_Lewellyn> wow. compiling gcc is making my machine totally unresponsive...[11:18:17] <_Lewellyn> how can i check my ARC again?[11:18:32] <chowmeined> lukehasnoname, i used this: http://darkstar-solaris.blogspot.com/2008/09/zfs-root-mirror.html[11:20:45] <tsoome> _Lewellyn: what makes you to think ARC has anything to do with it?;)[11:21:14] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: because that's what i was told to look at last time when i was complaining about similar issues[11:21:19] <lukehasnoname> Ever since I enabled AHCI on my sata controller, I have been getting random "PCI Parity Errors"[11:21:26] <_Lewellyn> but upgrading from 106 to 108 fixed those hiccups[11:22:29] <lukehasnoname> brb[11:22:32] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[11:23:12] <tsoome> ah, i see, diagnosing with shaman drums and stuff like that. my favorite:P[11:23:37] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[11:23:45] <_Lewellyn> meh. i said "check", not "alter"[11:24:01] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[11:24:02] <_Lewellyn> since that was apparently the first thing to check last time, it seemed sane to do so again[11:24:13] <tsoome> whats CPU stats, IO stats, VM/paging stats....[11:24:20] <_Lewellyn> i also have like a gig of memory unaccounted for. wtf.[11:24:49] <tsoome> for arc, you may wanna google for arc_summary.pl[11:25:13] <tsoome> its quite nice script to get some idea about statistics in arc[11:25:13] <lukehasnoname> anyone know about ahci troubles in osol?[11:25:50] <seanmcg_> _Lewellyn, try the swapinfo.d script from the Dtrace toolkit to help find where kernel memory is going.[11:26:24] <tsoome> also fsstat[11:28:42] <tsoome> will see what my poor WS will do with gcc[11:28:53] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[11:29:49] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC[11:30:05] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris[11:30:05] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[11:30:36] <_Lewellyn> i can't google. i can barely type :P[11:34:25] <_Lewellyn> http://nopaste.info/6814c9cad1.html[11:34:31] <_Lewellyn> that should have vmstat and fsstat[11:34:41] <_Lewellyn> (if gnopaster worked...)[11:35:20] *** phimic has quit IRC[11:35:25] <tsoome> thats idle system tbh....[11:35:36] <devians> anyone here familiar with upgrading the python install that comes with opensolaris?[11:36:19] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: yeah. i have no clue why it's freezing.[11:37:46] <_Lewellyn> i don't know how to parse this. does it look sane? -> http://nopaste.info/43ebe0325b.html[11:37:51] <lukehasnoname> Where is the theme that Opensolaris uses in Gnome?[11:37:58] <lukehasnoname> physically on disk, that is[11:38:35] *** odix67 has joined #opensolaris[11:38:46] <chowmeined> i dunno but dark nimbus is kind of cool[11:38:52] <seanmcg_> /usr/share/themes ?[11:38:55] <chowmeined> except, why does sun always use this weird color scheme[11:39:00] <chowmeined> like, almost rainbow[11:39:03] <chowmeined> whats up with that[11:39:08] <chowmeined> purple orange red and green[11:39:09] <_Lewellyn> to me, it seems that the arc has been doing its job[11:39:20] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[11:39:23] <_Lewellyn> chowmeined: run sxce. very orange and silver :)[11:39:23] <gerryxiao> hello[11:40:00] <gerryxiao> when will audiohd next release be out?[11:40:13] <tsoome> configure: error: Building GCC requires GMP 4.1+ and MPFR 2.3.0+.[11:40:30] * tsoome bangs hes head against the table[11:40:47] <tomww> tsoome: building yourself or with build-recipes?[11:40:52] <tsoome> i have forgotten all the "joys" of gnu....[11:41:14] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: yeah :P[11:41:21] <tomww> there is SFEgcc.spec which builds 4.3.3[11:41:30] <tsoome> nah, just having fun[11:41:46] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris[11:41:49] <tsoome> good old tarball, configure; make[11:41:54] <g4lt-lappy> chowmeined: it's the color scheme off the SB1K[11:42:42] <g4lt-lappy> purple case, red lights, orange and green accent lights[11:42:50] <tsoome> altho im not sure i wanna really continue with this shit....[11:43:18] <g4lt-lappy> tsoome: SUNWspro FTW[11:43:26] <tomww> well, configure && make haven't been typed into a prompt by me for .... ages ... only vim SFEstuff.spec is allowed here to take the strings configure and make :-)[11:43:39] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[11:43:41] <tsoome> rofl, they have zlib sources included but not "required" gmp/mpfr[11:43:58] <chowmeined> g4lt-lappy, i like the new brushed metal systems[11:44:06] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: licensing issues? :D[11:44:18] <tsoome> no idea, cant care less[11:44:22] <g4lt-lappy> chowmeined: they're also not desktops[11:44:38] <chowmeined> g4lt-lappy, they've got a workstation one[11:44:50] <tsoome> ill do 'rm -rf gcc-4.3.3' as my stress test instead[11:45:03] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[11:45:05] <g4lt-lappy> the sun desktop system was pretty much the aforementioned purple, red, with green and orange accent lights for years, just after they moved from white[11:45:32] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris[11:45:33] <g4lt-lappy> no, Sun doesn't have desktops[11:47:13] <cmihai> Workstation, Desktop, same difference.[11:47:18] <g4lt-lappy> the only desktop not completely EOL is the U24, which shouldn't even exist[11:47:19] <seanmcg_> g4lt-lappy, so whats the u20, u24 and u45 doing ?[11:47:31] <seanmcg_> and sunrays[11:47:32] <g4lt-lappy> fucking rejects from dell[11:47:43] <g4lt-lappy> sun == SPARC[11:48:13] <seanmcg_> and the x4500, x2x00, x4450, x4200M2,. etc ?[11:48:16] <g4lt-lappy> and hte U20 is also EOL[11:48:26] *** linma has quit IRC[11:48:34] <_Lewellyn> they need to come up with a 4GHz SPARC to blow x86 totally out of the water :)[11:48:38] <tsoome> seanmcg_: you wanna put those on your desktop?;D[11:48:52] <cmihai> _Lewellyn: how do you figure that[11:48:54] <seanmcg_> sunray[11:48:55] <_Lewellyn> i'll take an x4500 as a desktop[11:49:03] <monsted> _Lewellyn: 4 GHz and 32 cores :)[11:49:17] <jmcp> ... with at least 8 FPUs[11:49:19] <_Lewellyn> monsted: i was thinking 512 cores, since i'm in fantasy land[11:49:21] <tsoome> _Lewellyn: after a bit of time, you cant hear a thing.[11:49:30] <_Lewellyn> tsoome: that's fine :)[11:49:54] <cmihai> Any kind of performance you'd get off a SPARC won't help... and won't put a dent on x86 sales[11:50:05] <_Lewellyn> cmihai: multiple 4ghz sparc cores? there aren't any x86 cpus in the near future that would be able to keep up[11:50:17] <g4lt-lappy> back to my statement, what I call the U20 and U45is "EOL"[11:50:26] <cmihai> There's 3 Ghz 6 core Xeons already on the market[11:50:26] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[11:50:30] <g4lt-lappy> http://www.sun.com/desktop/index.jsp U24 only[11:50:49] <cmihai> And people will always want something _cheap_ and able to run Windows.[11:50:54] <_Lewellyn> cmihai: and by multiple, i really do mean > 32[11:51:12] <_Lewellyn> why do you care if your server can run windows?[11:51:13] <g4lt-lappy> and I'm sorry, single C2Q won't cut it when a whitebox can beat it[11:51:13] <tsoome> if superiour HW would matter, x86 would be history a long time ago.[11:51:53] <cmihai> _Lewellyn: heck, go buy a p595 from IBM, they have 64 core 5Ghz machines[11:52:07] <_Lewellyn> yes. i was thinking POWER with that pipe dream there[11:52:13] <g4lt-lappy> they may as well just admit that they don't have any desktops. , because they killled their sparc ones and their X86 ones suck[11:52:26] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: but they look kinda neat[11:52:42] <_Lewellyn> that counts for something, no? ;)[11:53:12] <g4lt-lappy> so does a edsle, but you don't see me using one of those either[11:53:17] <g4lt-lappy> edsel even[11:53:27] <tsoome> yea, they are nice to look on whil im sitting on my Leopard desktop.....[11:53:37] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[11:53:55] <_Lewellyn> anyhow, gcc is killing me. so i'll sleep :([11:54:02] <_Lewellyn> see you all in a few hours[11:54:10] <tsoome> you have parallel build there btw?[11:54:16] <_Lewellyn> if gcc fails to compile, i'm gonna be pissed[11:54:22] <_Lewellyn> dunno. i'm building from SFE[11:54:23] <g4lt-lappy> yanno, that may be what sun needs to do, give up the desktops and enlist apple to make the "sun workstation"[11:55:00] <g4lt-lappy> maybe a sparcmac ;P[11:55:08] <cmihai> The age of RISC workstation is dead[11:55:13] *** __ms has quit IRC[11:55:22] <_Lewellyn> from sfe for sfe :)[11:55:39] <tsoome> desktop has nothing to do with hardware really, it all about software - how well its integrated, if its usable, nice to look on and so on[11:55:47] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[11:55:49] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: sun and apple aren't that different, they both have 68000 in their history :)[11:56:01] <tsoome> ofc all those gadgets and media players etc[11:56:06] <cmihai> IBM killed the IntelliStation POWER, HP killed their PA-RISCs long ago...[11:56:07] <g4lt-lappy> _Lewellyn: hence the good fit[11:56:10] <cmihai> Sun killed their stuff[11:56:14] <cmihai> SGI is dead[11:56:23] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[11:56:27] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: of course, so did amiga... :P[11:56:28] <tsoome> alpha is gone[11:56:34] <cmihai> Heck, the only reason they lived that long is DassaultSystems Catia[11:56:44] <cmihai> And that's Windows now.[11:56:50] <g4lt-lappy> in fact, if they could wean apple off intel, they should jump on a sparcmac[11:57:04] <cmihai> And most people jumped on the Solidworks or Autodesk bandwagon anyway[11:57:18] <_Lewellyn> personally, i'm not convinced that ppc macs are dead[11:57:18] *** stewart has quit IRC[11:57:38] *** nightstrike_ has joined #opensolaris[11:57:47] <_Lewellyn> but that speculation is way offtopic, way speculative, and it's way too late at night to start on that :)[11:57:55] <cmihai> x86 won the workstation / desktop market.[11:57:58] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[11:58:01] <cmihai> everything else is dead.[11:58:05] <g4lt-lappy> _Lewellyn: well, given that moto got out of PPC,a nd IBM is being rather coy, it's living-impaired[11:58:08] <Tempt> Yep.[11:58:14] <Tempt> Cheap and nasty is always a winner.[11:58:31] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: and apple bought a small licensee...[11:59:04] <Tempt> And for cleaning UNIX workstations off the corporate desk, Exchange was a masterstroke.[11:59:08] <tsoome> apple desktop is x86 as well[11:59:27] <_Lewellyn> it wouldn't be THAT out of character for apple to just announce out of the blue "oh, by the way, new G5 macbook. 12 hours battery life. have fun."[11:59:29] <tsoome> x86 on drugs, but still x86[11:59:32] <Tempt> Groupware with a single-platform client *and* server?[11:59:52] <Tempt> _Lewellyn: That would mean Jobs admitting he was wrong. It took how many years to get a second mouse button?[11:59:56] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[12:00:04] <_Lewellyn> Tempt: and x86 processors?[12:00:09] <cmihai> It's not like a purple CDE desktop is what people want...[12:00:12] <g4lt-lappy> well, maybe. depends oon how sick he really is[12:00:22] <cmihai> "Hey, how about we pay 20 times more for this purple thing instead"?[12:00:35] <monsted> heh, sparcmac[12:00:37] <monsted> good one :)[12:00:55] <Tempt> _Lewellyn: Apple really didn't have any choice in that matter. The only call was Intel or AMD by that point. I'm still surprised they didn't go AMD.[12:01:25] <monsted> does Sun even make a SPARC chip that'd make a good desktop?[12:01:40] <flyingparchment> monsted: no, but Fujitsu does[12:01:42] <g4lt-lappy> well, unless Sun, fuji, or naturetech give me the prised niagra laptop, I have to dream somehow ;P[12:01:58] <_Lewellyn> Tempt: there were other choices. but it's sleep time, since typing is very slow with gcc compiling :([12:02:04] <tsoome> monsted: its not chips what make desktop....[12:02:38] <Tempt> NeXT made a good desktop on 68k.[12:02:40] <g4lt-lappy> monsted: the niagra is PERFECT for laptop/pda, trivial wattage, awesome power[12:02:53] <Tempt> GNOME makes a filthy slow desktop on an eight socket monster.[12:02:55] <flyingparchment> awesome power? sure, if you have enough arms to use 50 apps at once[12:03:08] <g4lt-lappy> flyingparchment: try me ;P[12:03:39] <cmihai> Will be slower than a Core 2 :-)[12:03:58] <g4lt-lappy> cmihai: name a C2Q laptop[12:04:27] <flyingparchment> i bet there is one, but that sort of thing isn't exactly a real laptop[12:04:29] <g4lt-lappy> name a core2 pda[12:04:45] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC[12:04:57] <monsted> g4lt-lappy: niagara would suck for a desktop[12:05:07] <g4lt-lappy> flyingparchment: yeah, the core 2 takes buttloads of wattage. prolly have a battery life of seconds[12:05:20] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris[12:05:27] <tsoome> well.... read about snow leopard and accents there - smaller OS footprint, less memory required etc. with gnome..... give more memory, more disk to save all that gnu crap what is linked with your desktop apps...[12:05:34] <g4lt-lappy> monsted: honestly, I never mentioned "desktop". use the low power for good, nt evil[12:05:50] <monsted> or laptop, for that matter[12:05:52] <flyingparchment> i always wanted one of those tadpoles with 2 US-IVs in[12:06:00] <Tempt> haha[12:06:08] <Tempt> The concept of a laptop with a pair of US-IV processors in it.[12:06:10] <Tempt> That's quite funny.[12:06:16] <Tempt> Nuclear-powered?[12:06:18] <flyingparchment> they call it a 'mobile server' ;)[12:06:25] <g4lt-lappy> flyingparchment: ahh, the bullfroogs? you can even get them with a docking station with a spci3 ;P[12:06:32] <cmihai> Because you need an automobile to lug one around?[12:06:43] <g4lt-lappy> 7 pounds IIRC[12:06:45] <Tempt> Because they need 300 watts to power up the CPUs?[12:06:47] <Tempt> ;-)[12:07:26] <flyingparchment> oh, sorry, it's a IIIi, not IV. but it does have a full-length PCI slot[12:07:30] <monsted> if anything, a desktop with the fujitsu chips might be usable[12:07:47] <flyingparchment> (put a PCi in, get two laptops!)[12:08:09] <Tempt> anyway, moot point, it's never going to happen.[12:08:12] <flyingparchment> only weighs 20 lbs, too[12:08:18] <Tempt> If you want a RISC deskstop get a server and some sunray thin clients.[12:08:42] <g4lt-lappy> well, they DO have the comets ;P[12:08:55] <g4lt-lappy> (subnray laptops)[12:09:16] *** Traveler2 has joined #opensolaris[12:09:35] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[12:10:50] *** Traveler2 has quit IRC[12:11:47] <g4lt-lappy> but the sunrays kinda suck when you look at them as thin clients, as they're too wired down. copper ethernet only, the all-in-ones dead (so you now have to get seperate KVM), less than expandable[12:12:12] <flyingparchment> isn't separate kvm better? seems easier to replace just the box[12:12:16] <tsoome> ?[12:12:44] <tsoome> g4lt-lappy: you know what is thin client? its thin.[12:13:00] <tsoome> if you need it to be expanded, you dont need thin client[12:13:05] <monsted> why would you need to expand a thin client? :)[12:13:15] <flyingparchment> moar monitors[12:13:18] <chrisg> you just need to feed it more pies[12:13:19] <chrisg> to be honest[12:13:25] <chrisg> then it becomes a obese client[12:13:34] <monsted> does the sunray have USB ports?[12:13:40] <tsoome> ofc[12:13:52] <monsted> stick a usb-vga thing in there for more monitors[12:13:55] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[12:13:55] <tsoome> as amy as you like if you use hub[12:13:58] <g4lt-lappy> tsoome: I was thyinking extras like thumb drives etc[12:14:07] <tsoome> ?[12:14:22] <tsoome> you can use your usb memory stick[12:14:29] <tsoome> you can use usb printer[12:14:34] <g4lt-lappy> users can reasonably be expected to want to migrate files via thumb drive[12:14:59] <g4lt-lappy> ...after hyou've adde in a hub to get enough USB connections[12:15:06] <tsoome> as with servers - thin clients is not for all purpose engineering ws replacement[12:15:38] <g4lt-lappy> wsell then don't propose it as one[12:15:39] *** Kalidarn has joined #opensolaris[12:15:47] <tsoome> it got its own specific segment and if you wanna use it elsewhere, you will get disappointed[12:16:08] <g4lt-lappy> *I* wasn't the one to propose the sunray as a workstation[12:16:20] <flyingparchment> not support USB storage is probably a good thing for data protecction ;)[12:16:29] <flyingparchment> maybe more banks & govt should use those[12:17:07] <g4lt-lappy> banks are prolly still using RS-232 dumb terminals[12:17:16] <flyingparchment> nah, 3270[12:17:35] <devians> i installed python 2.5 using blastwave, but the old python is still installed and default.... how to fix?[12:17:42] <g4lt-lappy> at lest when it comes to my money, I HOPE they're not using ethernet to move data between client and server[12:17:57] <tsoome> ?[12:18:14] <tsoome> whats wrong with ethernet?![12:18:18] <monsted> v25![12:18:59] <g4lt-lappy> tsoome: you can spoof a ethernet connection a lot easier than a RS-232[12:19:14] <tsoome> so?[12:19:39] <tsoome> since when is data protection done at physical layer?![12:20:10] <asyd> s/ 13[12:20:10] <tsoome> i mean, when you *really* wanna protect your data...[12:20:11] <asyd> oups[12:20:30] <g4lt-lappy> RS-232, unplug, sending BRK, add extra terminal, make terminal look like a server, while server is actually still there and alive. ethernet, unplug, add hub, plug in, spoof server address, yolu're in like flynn[12:21:02] *** e1mer has quit IRC[12:21:02] <monsted> add dot1x or ipsec and none of those things will work[12:21:04] <tsoome> ....[12:21:09] <g4lt-lappy> tatb's kinda the point, I want them to *really* protect my cash[12:21:26] <monsted> use token ring, but make sure nobody steals the token![12:21:37] <g4lt-lappy> monsted: bull, all you've done is added a layer of complexity to the break[12:22:27] <g4lt-lappy> okay, you're just getting stupid now, as broken ring doesn't involve "stealing" a token[12:22:31] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[12:22:38] <flyingparchment> g4lt-lappy: yes it does.. if you cut the cable, the token falls out[12:22:43] <monsted> besides, just use SSL for whatever app is running[12:22:50] <g4lt-lappy> flyingparchment: FOAD[12:23:11] <monsted> methinks g4lt-lappy has no sense of humor[12:23:17] <flyingparchment> at our high school, it didn't take long for people to realise that if you unplug the 10BASE-T at one point, the entire lab goes offline[12:23:26] <g4lt-lappy> uhm, like the SSL break last year because of predicatable RNGs?[12:23:36] <monsted> g4lt-lappy: don't use debian[12:23:47] <tsoome> g4lt-lappy: less hollywood movies, more reading how to build stuff;)[12:24:38] <monsted> g4lt-lappy: your main source of information on security related stuff is computerworld?[12:24:50] *** rohini has joined #opensolaris[12:24:55] <trochej> ROTFL[12:25:01] <trochej> Mine os coffee[12:25:03] <trochej> s/os/is/[12:26:28] <tsoome> btw, if someone is able to replace server *inside the bank*, you got more issues to solve than just IT.[12:26:35] <g4lt-lappy> monsted: my main source is more experience with computer security than you have with computers[12:26:57] <g4lt-lappy> tsoome: I believe they call it "employee theft"[12:28:04] <tsoome> if IT security in bank is based on IP numbers, this bank deserves to be erased.[12:28:15] <tsoome> plain and simple[12:29:26] <g4lt-lappy> tsoome: well, that's kida the point is I was proposing tha tit would be, complete with a line that at one end could not be disconencted and was tamper evident. you were sayikng ahta t IP could solve it. now it can't[12:30:02] <tsoome> ?![12:32:02] <eklof> Anyone tried Opensolaris on an IBM x305 xserver?[12:32:28] <tsoome> to protect data packeted in IP, there are stuff like IPsec, ssh/ssl, kerberos and so on. I wanna see how you gonna replace server and mimic it communicate with forged keys. once again, less hollywood, more reading please.[12:33:11] <g4lt-lappy> tsoome: everything you say has been done. look at blackhat for the last hree-four years[12:34:20] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[12:34:36] <tsoome> btw, you seem to be a fan of RS-232, you got any idea how long those connections can be? ;)[12:34:51] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[12:35:09] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[12:35:11] <g4lt-lappy> ISTR a 100' cord once, but that was for an old MAI beast[12:35:44] <g4lt-lappy> funnily the terminal in quesiton was moved to on the other side fo the wall[12:36:13] <g4lt-lappy> it stuck in my mind as the longest 6' cord I'd everseen[12:38:27] <g4lt-lappy> get into the DEC stuff with what's effectively phone cord, and I'd bet you can squeeze another order of magnitude out of it[12:39:18] <g4lt-lappy> (which is actually three times as long as the maximum cat5 ethernet cable, BTW)[12:40:01] *** tomprogrammer has joined #opensolaris[12:40:10] <Tempt> g4lt-lappy: "too wired down"[12:40:18] <Tempt> g4lt-lappy: How can a thin client be too wired down?[12:40:24] *** tomprogrammer has left #opensolaris[12:40:52] <g4lt-lappy> Tempt: honestly, I'd like to see non-tadpole 802.11 cleints[12:41:03] <Tempt> Don't forget the Gobi8[12:41:10] <Tempt> 3G client![12:41:18] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[12:42:07] <g4lt-lappy> okay, non-third-party[12:42:08] <tsoome> g4lt-lappy: btw: http://www.connectworld.net/cable-length.html[12:42:18] <Tempt> Who cares about who makes the client?[12:42:48] <Tempt> The Naturetech/Tadpole/whatever clients are going to be delivered by the same VAR on the same invoice anyway.[12:43:03] <Tempt> That's like complaining that Sun don't make ethernet switches.[12:43:47] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[12:44:22] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:44:32] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[12:44:41] <g4lt-lappy> tsoome: and note that if you jump RS422 (basically apple serial), you get 1000 yards easy, which is 10x cat5 sepc[12:45:08] <tsoome> so?[12:45:11] <Tempt> I won't stand for RS422 being called 'Apple Serial'[12:45:52] <g4lt-lappy> Tempt: would you prefer "appletalk"?[12:46:01] <Tempt> RS422 isn't an Apple thing.[12:46:03] <tsoome> basically, you are telling us you trust your data rather on unprotected serial terminal link than encrypted IP datalink?[12:46:31] <Tempt> Anyway, I've seen devices in the blackbox catalog that claim to push serial over 500 klicks of fibre.[12:46:35] <Tempt> So that's even juicier[12:46:44] <g4lt-lappy> given that IP doesn't notify when the link dies, you figure it out[12:47:34] <g4lt-lappy> a d unless you have leet vampire tapping skills, that means that any time you add something, you have a BRK[12:47:55] <Tempt> You don't need to be very leet to tap serial.[12:48:24] <g4lt-lappy> tap no, add to without sending a BRK yes[12:48:25] <Tempt> anyway[12:48:31] <Tempt> haha[12:48:33] <Tempt> Come on.[12:48:39] <Tempt> This is child's play territory.[12:48:43] <tsoome> IP does not need to notify link interruptions;) thats the reason you have protocol stack;)[12:49:29] <Tempt> anyway[12:49:33] <tsoome> establish lets say https link with clinet and server and try to replace your server with rogue, see what will happen;)[12:49:47] <Tempt> If you're relying on the cable for security, you're halfway to doomed.[12:50:05] <Tempt> If you're relying on the cable for security and you don't control the locked up environment in which it lives, you're all the way to doomed.[12:50:15] *** mroconno1_ is now known as mroconnor_[12:50:46] <g4lt-lappy> tgemwell, given that the hypothetical is a bank, if htey don't control the vault, they're really doomed ;P[12:51:31] *** nightstrike_ has quit IRC[12:55:24] *** d3xter has quit IRC[12:57:04] <asyd> \_o<[12:58:49] *** deftunix has joined #opensolaris[12:58:52] *** deftunix has left #opensolaris[13:00:13] *** inaddy has quit IRC[13:01:18] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[13:02:42] *** Openfree has joined #opensolaris[13:02:49] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[13:04:47] *** yarihm has quit IRC[13:07:00] <monsted> poor users in the bank of g4lt who are stuck with everything running on rs232[13:07:25] <trochej> COFFEEEEe[13:08:37] <monsted> no! you can't have any![13:09:17] <asyd> +1[13:09:43] <trochej> I can has coffee over rs232[13:11:39] *** Kalidarn has quit IRC[13:12:32] *** Kalidarn has joined #opensolaris[13:12:40] *** sartek has quit IRC[13:13:37] *** qiyong has quit IRC[13:14:12] <codestr0m> trochej: is coffee conductive?[13:14:23] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[13:14:32] <monsted> that would be rs232 over coffee, not the other way around[13:14:33] <codestr0m> or has all the water been so tainted by it that the conductivity is similar to mud[13:14:40] <trochej> codestr0m: Coffee itself may be not, but rs is.[13:15:04] * codestr0m googles for coffee mug + db9 connector[13:15:09] <monsted> codestr0m: it tastes like mud, so logic dictates that it should conduct like mud too :)[13:15:33] <codestr0m> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-Tea-Coffee-Mug-Cup-Drink-Warmer-PC-Laptop-Gadget-UK_W0QQitemZ370155304082QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090206?IMSfp=TL090206148003r21883[13:15:40] <trochej> monsted: Depends on logical system we're using[13:15:57] <codestr0m> rs232 was deprecated in flavour to the usb blend[13:16:00] <monsted> back yard science![13:20:55] *** bigjocker has quit IRC[13:22:09] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[13:26:33] <Keso> ALL: what do to with zone, when I have zone in "shutting down" mode and it's hanged[13:28:04] <Keso> zoneadm zone_name hang doesn't work[13:29:14] *** rohini has left #opensolaris[13:34:31] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[13:35:34] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[13:36:13] <nachox> codestr0m, did your friend from yesterday manage to install solaris?[13:37:04] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[13:37:11] <codestr0m> epitaphredux: I think got something 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disk[14:36:13] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[14:36:36] *** bnitz has joined #opensolaris[14:36:39] *** hr has joined #opensolaris[14:37:20] *** lesterc has quit IRC[14:37:44] *** ngranek has quit IRC[14:37:55] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[14:40:44] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[14:44:58] *** anilg has quit IRC[14:45:05] *** wms has joined #opensolaris[14:45:22] <kibibyte> hi[14:45:32] <kibibyte> when im getting email from my server[14:45:56] <kibibyte> its from : edmine at opensolaris dot local[14:46:13] <kibibyte> how o change opensolaris.local to my domain?[14:46:27] <flyingparchment> read about MASQUERADE_AS in the sendmail documentation[14:46:35] <tsoome> fix your resolv.conf[14:46:53] <tsoome> :D[14:47:20] <flyingparchment> what does resolv.conf have to do with that?[14:48:07] <tsoome> its where sendmail will get the domain for hostname[14:48:32] <tsoome> for full rewrite there is a masquerade obviously[14:48:57] *** Kalidarn has quit IRC[14:50:35] *** smtms has quit IRC[14:50:46] *** prammy has joined #opensolaris[14:51:00] *** ericjray has quit IRC[14:51:12] <kibibyte> i removed opensolaris.local from my /etc/hosts ant it works[14:51:13] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[14:51:14] <kibibyte> :d[14:52:25] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[14:52:25] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC[14:52:50] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris[14:53:03] *** loke_ has quit IRC[14:53:50] *** dguitar has joined #opensolaris[14:53:59] <gerryxiao> what's difference between opensolaris 2008 and Sxce?[14:54:52] <tomww> main difference is the packet manager and the long term future[14:54:53] *** Sparcus has quit IRC[14:54:56] <kibibyte> what is sxce[14:54:57] *** Sparcus has joined #opensolaris[14:55:15] *** digifor has joined #opensolaris[14:55:17] <tomww> solaris express commmunity edition ... aka internally as Nevada.[14:55:21] <asyd> well, sxce is server while opensolaris is user side ;p[14:55:31] <CosmicDJ> it's Solaris Express, Children Edition[14:55:36] <tomww> this ises the old SVR4 packaging system[14:55:40] <tomww> *uses[14:55:48] <CosmicDJ> would that be smth for you?[14:56:31] <digifor> What is wrong with "pfexec /usr/bin/usbgen osol200811.iso osol200811.usb /tmp"[14:56:31] <turtle> Super eXtreme Cuddly Edition[14:57:20] <sickness> so, there's a sendmail shipped by default in opensolaris, is there also a pop3 daemon somewhere?[14:57:38] <digifor> and why does it tell me: /usr/bin/usbgen: Failed to lofiadm osol200811.iso?[14:59:01] <CIA-40> James Wahlig <James.Wahlig at Sun dot COM>: 6812394 mutex_panic in nfs4_mi_zonelist_remove[14:59:46] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb[14:59:57] <CosmicDJ> is your iso correct? did you check the md5 sum? can you manually lofi mount it?[15:02:02] <CosmicDJ> sickness: why do you need pop3 when you have sendmail running?[15:02:10] <digifor> Thanks for the reply CosmicDJ[15:02:37] *** phimic has quit IRC[15:02:46] <trichobezoar> I like this statement: "OpenSolaris is Sun's distribution of OpenSolaris"[15:03:00] <CosmicDJ> hehe[15:03:22] <CosmicDJ> what about Debian is Debians Distribution of Debain? ;)[15:03:39] <digifor> What I should have asked is how can I convert a 200811 Livecd to an .iso so I can usbgen it...[15:03:40] <trichobezoar> no. debian is debian's distribution of gnu/linux[15:04:01] <digifor> correct trichobezoar[15:04:10] <norman> maybe people should use OpenSolaris and Opensolaris to distinguish them *g*[15:04:50] * trichobezoar was thinking retroactively naming opensolaris, the source code _opensolaris[15:04:53] <digifor> ...then install it on the usb? That saves me about 12 hours of downloading[15:05:16] <sickness> CosmicDJ: to read mail from another machine? :)[15:05:19] <trichobezoar> so then it would be: OpenSolaris: Sun's distribution of _OpenSolaris[15:07:31] <gerryxiao> which one should i choose ,if i'm a desktop user?[15:07:35] <norman> or OpenSolarisDistribution (OSD) and OpenSolarisSource (OSS) to bring even more confusion in it ;)[15:08:09] <gerryxiao> sure[15:08:16] <kibibyte> how to setup svn repository on opensolaris? and acces thorgh http[15:08:19] <kibibyte> pls help[15:08:42] <trichobezoar> consult the svn docs for that. but pkg search -r svn and install the svn package you need. also do the same for apache22[15:09:49] <epitaphredux> nachox, yeah, I got it up eventually; when I realised it had 18.2G discs, not 9.1s as advertised, I just installed the default setup. There's a lot of junk I don't need, but meh[15:10:13] *** rmesta has joined #opensolaris[15:11:11] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[15:11:31] *** Animal-X has joined #opensolaris[15:12:31] <digifor> Thanks CosmicDJ the hint about lofi helped. I had to put the full path in /export/home/username[15:12:35] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[15:12:46] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris[15:13:33] *** loke has joined #opensolaris[15:13:49] *** anilg1 is now known as anilg[15:15:52] <gerryxiao> why brandz only support linux 2.4 kernel?[15:17:04] <asyd> because 2.6 is not implemented?[15:17:05] <asyd> ..[15:17:20] <Stric> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/todo/linux_2_6/[15:17:52] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[15:19:24] *** Phenox_ has quit IRC[15:20:04] *** Phenox_ has joined #OpenSolaris[15:20:56] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[15:21:29] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[15:22:26] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[15:22:37] <gerryxiao> i have to usee vbox instead[15:22:59] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[15:23:59] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[15:24:54] *** pde has quit IRC[15:25:11] *** pde has joined #opensolaris[15:25:28] *** cnu has joined #opensolaris[15:26:09] *** slax1975 has joined #opensolaris[15:26:29] <trichobezoar> things like volo are good evidence solarisr is moving to shed some of its cruft[15:27:59] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[15:28:43] *** MACscr has quit IRC[15:28:57] <trichobezoar> (ah it started with fireengine in 2002)[15:29:28] *** DomiX has joined #opensolaris[15:30:13] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[15:30:27] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[15:30:39] *** ken-work is now known as ken1[15:30:48] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[15:30:57] *** ken1 is now known as ken^[15:32:07] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[15:37:27] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[15:38:07] *** Fullmoon_ has quit IRC[15:39:29] *** ken^ has quit IRC[15:40:57] <sickness> that's so funny, NO pop3 daemon in opensolaris :([15:41:07] <sickness> not even in SXCE :((([15:41:23] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[15:41:31] <sickness> even openbsd comes with a pop3 daemon by default, and it's like 300mb installed, not 5Gb :/[15:42:47] <trichobezoar> even minix has a pop3d... how are you trying to find it?[15:43:18] <tsoome> hats pop3 anyhow:P[15:43:21] <sickness> find / pkg / pkginfo[15:43:22] <tsoome> wahts*[15:43:26] <sickness> ...[15:43:26] <tsoome> ffs[15:43:30] <tsoome> i cant type[15:43:37] <trichobezoar> pkg searech -r pop3[15:43:49] <tsoome> fail![15:43:57] <sickness> I need a way to read mails other than logging in with ssh and using the command mail, I'd like to setup a thunderbird for a user...[15:44:00] <sickness> fail[15:44:02] <sickness> already done that[15:44:06] <sickness> even on SXCE[15:44:19] <sickness> no pop3, there's even telnet, but no pop :([15:44:24] <sickness> this sux :|[15:44:38] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[15:44:45] <syd`> tried svcs -a | grep pop3?[15:44:53] <tsoome> get it then and install, why to make such an issue?[15:45:34] *** phimic has quit IRC[15:45:45] *** bradparker has joined #opensolaris[15:46:17] <tsoome> if they pick one implementation (out of like million), next complaint will be why this one and not another....[15:46:57] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[15:47:00] <Stric> I recommend dovecot. works fine under solaris.[15:47:08] <bradparker> anyone here know about source releases for older versions of solaris (sunos actually)[15:47:24] <tsoome> ask your sun rep[15:47:27] <bradparker> lol[15:47:31] <bradparker> really?[15:47:32] <tsoome> ?[15:47:37] <tsoome> who else?[15:47:46] <Stric> SunOS isn't free or open source[15:47:52] <Stric> (SunOS 4.x that is)[15:48:15] <bradparker> I was actually looking for source for sunos 3.x or earlier[15:48:16] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[15:48:23] <bradparker> for a sun2[15:48:27] <bradparker> believe it or not[15:48:28] <tsoome> I have had access to source since 2.5.1.[15:48:34] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[15:49:05] <tsoome> ofc it was not full source.[15:49:18] <bradparker> kernel?[15:49:48] <bradparker> I want to look at the probe code in sunos 3.0 for a sun2 emulator[15:49:53] <tsoome> kernel+userland, but 3rd party stuff was included as binaries.[15:50:05] *** Odin- has quit IRC[15:50:16] <bradparker> has sun released old sunos kernel code?[15:50:17] *** LyosNorezel has joined #opensolaris[15:50:20] *** smtms has joined #opensolaris[15:50:37] <tsoome> into public? nope[15:50:47] <tsoome> but it was possible to get access.[15:50:55] <bradparker> mmm. i thought maybe since opensolaris was out[15:51:58] *** stewart has quit IRC[15:52:06] <bradparker> oh well. thanks anyway[15:52:43] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[15:53:36] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[15:53:45] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[15:54:59] *** mroconno1 has quit IRC[15:55:21] *** bradparker has left #opensolaris[15:55:27] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[15:56:32] *** mroconno1 has quit IRC[15:56:46] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[15:58:21] *** nightstrike_ has quit IRC[15:59:13] *** Openfree has quit IRC[16:02:40] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[16:13:50] *** digifor has quit IRC[16:14:27] <codestr0m> http://www.codestrom.com/wandering/2009/03/9-reasons-to-port-btrfs-now.html[16:16:09] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[16:17:18] <div110> does anyone know what this message means? cannot create snapshot '<volume>@<snapshot-time>' : dataset does not exist ?[16:17:54] <tsoome> you are using just volume@snapname?[16:18:02] <monsted> uhm, you should use the volume name and some identifier instead of <volume> and <snapshot-time> :)[16:18:13] <tsoome> you need to use full name starting with pool[16:18:34] <tsoome> zfs snapshot pool/fs/fs/vol@snap[16:18:55] <asyd> codestr0m: lol[16:20:17] <codestr0m> asyd: ;)[16:21:06] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[16:21:29] <div110> this is how i do it: zfs list -H -t filesystem -o name | xargs -I+ zfs snapshot -r +@snapname[16:23:51] <sickness> codestr0m: well btrfs doesn't sound that bad after all :)[16:24:26] *** phimic has quit IRC[16:24:44] <sickness> codestr0m: it would be certanly better having it than not having it, if anything to be able to read data from disks or cf media and so on...[16:24:52] *** lblume has quit IRC[16:24:53] *** clebig has joined #opensolaris[16:25:24] *** Disorganized has quit IRC[16:25:43] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris[16:36:26] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[16:36:51] *** odix67 has quit IRC[16:37:46] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:38:33] *** Sparcus has quit IRC[16:38:52] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[16:40:16] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[16:40:45] *** Ollie_R has joined #opensolaris[16:40:52] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[16:44:51] *** dusty_ is now known as MrDusty[16:47:06] *** DottorZero has joined #opensolaris[16:47:53] *** sartek has quit IRC[16:50:01] *** Teo` has joined #opensolaris[16:51:26] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC[16:51:47] *** g4lt-lappy has quit IRC[16:52:24] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[16:54:03] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[16:54:34] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[16:58:36] <asyd> hmm interesting discussion on core-contrib-discuss :)[16:59:17] <jbk> heh[16:59:36] <CosmicDJ> huh[16:59:45] <timsf> There needs to a an opensolaris.org version of Godin's law[17:00:03] <timsf> - discussion thread immediately ceases as soon as someone brings up "star integration".[17:00:07] <asyd> :)[17:00:24] <asyd> especially on this list[17:00:26] <jbk> i personally think one of the requirements for core contributor should be an actual presence on opensolaris.org in some form[17:01:09] <jbk> probalby 80% of the core contributors are 'hey i work with this guy (at sun)', and have never sent a single email to any public list, etc.[17:01:16] <asyd> not sure to understnd what you mean by presence on opensolaris.org?[17:01:30] <asyd> indeed[17:01:33] <jbk> participating in the public email lists[17:01:39] <jbk> etc.[17:01:43] *** PerterB has quit IRC[17:01:52] <jbk> actually doing something that someone who doesn't get a paycheck from sun can see[17:02:02] <trochej> jbk: Why? I believe myself well suited to be core contrib, but I don't post much.[17:02:16] <asyd> you're here[17:02:18] <jbk> i think that a core contributor should be more than 'well i work on the code'[17:02:28] <asyd> its a part of precense :)[17:02:32] <fkr_> quite a bit of the opensolaris stuff reminds me of apple and darwin[17:02:33] <jbk> yeah[17:02:35] <trochej> Indeed, I believe my organising a conference, a radio audition, Polish and local osug are more important than my mails[17:03:06] <jbk> well that's just one example, i just think 'well i work on the code' or 'i work at sun' shouldn't be the sole criteria[17:03:13] <asyd> hmm another one..[17:03:14] <jbk> but in a lot of cases it seems to be[17:03:26] <fkr_> asyd: another one of what?[17:03:45] <asyd> off topic discussion in core-contrib-discuss[17:03:52] <asyd> well, at least that sounds OT for me[17:03:54] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[17:03:55] <jbk> esp. when then accept the nomination and then can't even be bothered to vote[17:03:59] <jbk> holding things up for everyone else[17:04:06] <jbk> that annoys me[17:04:39] *** slax1975 has quit IRC[17:04:43] *** luc^ has quit IRC[17:05:56] *** Jiraia has quit IRC[17:07:00] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[17:07:53] *** Deesl has quit IRC[17:07:53] *** smtms has quit IRC[17:08:49] *** niq has quit IRC[17:08:58] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[17:09:01] *** hebus has joined #Opensolaris[17:09:04] *** cmihai has quit IRC[17:09:27] *** hebus is now known as Roms[17:11:31] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:12:36] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[17:14:19] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[17:15:44] <DTEIT> i have a problem with sxce and xvm[17:15:53] <DTEIT> trying to add some devices to a guest[17:15:56] <DTEIT> i get alway this[17:15:58] <DTEIT> Error: Device 768 (vbd) could not be connected. Backend device not found.[17:16:13] <DTEIT> searching on google it seems related to a loop device problem[17:17:09] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[17:18:26] *** gausus has quit IRC[17:18:29] *** gausus has joined #opensolaris[17:18:38] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[17:19:37] *** myosound_ has joined #opensolaris[17:21:01] <asyd> joerg...[17:21:28] <CosmicDJ> our star...[17:21:33] <asyd> :))[17:22:31] <CosmicDJ> but he's right, solaris tar sucks, you have to pipe every damn archive through gzcat/bzcat...[17:23:12] <bda> Cry cry cry.[17:23:25] <holcomb> oh c'mon[17:23:27] <CosmicDJ> I'm on it[17:23:42] <monsted> use gtar or stop whining ;)[17:23:51] <holcomb> do NOT use gtar[17:23:55] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:24:31] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[17:24:36] <tsoome> real men use dd[17:24:50] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[17:25:31] <CosmicDJ> how?[17:25:47] *** sophokles has quit IRC[17:26:13] <tsoome> best with good pint of beer[17:26:14] *** sahX has quit 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I've been poking Mr. Mason about the feature set of btrfs.. it's basically like a really rough zfs with some features zfs will soon more or less have in the future.. 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think systemtap is just a sed'ed version of dtrace :P that would insult dtrace ^^[20:03:07] <jbk> no[20:03:10] <xRaich[o]2x> gevening btw[20:03:12] <codestr0m> it's a subset though isn't it?[20:03:13] <jbk> the materials[20:03:17] <jbk> presentations, documentation, etc.[20:03:23] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: no way it's just disgusting ^^[20:03:27] <xRaich[o]2x> read the design docs[20:03:35] <xRaich[o]2x> they'll make you laugh so hard it hurts[20:03:50] <codestr0m> you're the dtrace expert...[20:04:02] <xRaich[o]2x> you don't need to be an expert really[20:04:22] <xRaich[o]2x> when you declare a probe systemtap compiles a kernel module that is loaded into the kernel[20:04:34] <xRaich[o]2x> the language you use in systemtap is almost plain C[20:04:48] <jbk> and who in their right mind is going to let that go on their production systems?[20:04:55] <xRaich[o]2x> i dunno[20:04:59] <xRaich[o]2x> mentalcases?[20:05:07] <jbk> since it seems their security is dependent on solving the halting problem[20:05:25] <xRaich[o]2x> it would even allow stuff like while(1){};[20:05:49] *** stewart has quit IRC[20:05:56] <xRaich[o]2x> there is a good reason for no loops in dtrace[20:06:48] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[20:06:55] <xRaich[o]2x> the best sentence in the design doc is "we _BELIEVE_ it can be as safe as dtrace" :P[20:07:08] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[20:07:30] <xRaich[o]2x> there are also people who believe that blowing themselves up will send them to paradise with a couple of virgins...[20:07:31] <jbk> i can believe in a unicorn that craps skittles, doesn't make it any more true :)[20:08:12] <tsoome> the moon isnt made from cheese?[20:08:31] <xRaich[o]2x> tsoome: you could find out... using systemtap :P[20:08:39] <tsoome> :D[20:08:42] <xRaich[o]2x> results may vary[20:08:53] <tsoome> i still prefer shaman drums.[20:08:58] <jbk> but really, they're relying on heuristics to think they're probably safe[20:09:15] <jbk> it just seems like a gigantic exploit vector waiting to happen[20:09:16] <xRaich[o]2x> tsoome: i'd recommend shaman drums in favor of systemtap[20:09:33] <tsoome> drums are way more entertaining.[20:09:43] <xRaich[o]2x> exactly[20:10:11] <xRaich[o]2x> well... not really some people enjoy russian roulette[20:10:23] <tsoome> rofl[20:11:07] *** h3sp4wn has quit IRC[20:11:10] <xRaich[o]2x> but really systemtap is the worst joke in software design in the last few years[20:11:31] <xRaich[o]2x> i remember that it needed a debug version of the kernel when i last tried it...[20:11:42] <xRaich[o]2x> that totally defeats the purpose[20:11:48] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:13:36] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[20:15:00] *** gray-- has joined #opensolaris[20:21:01] *** e1kg has quit IRC[20:21:06] *** mega has quit IRC[20:21:54] *** sartek has quit IRC[20:24:52] *** dunc has quit IRC[20:27:56] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[20:28:58] *** bubbva has quit IRC[20:32:07] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[20:32:08] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:33:06] *** 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all[20:38:56] <UnixOne> @asyd I need it today ^[20:39:10] <codestr0m> UnixOne: need? why need?[20:39:13] <UnixOne> yes kde4.1 is unstable imho[20:39:24] <codestr0m> it also lacks spit and polish as some people say[20:39:38] <UnixOne> I'm writing a thesis and just want my main machine running again ;)[20:39:53] <asyd> get a mac[20:39:57] <UnixOne> :D[20:40:07] <UnixOne> @asyd maybe. maybe not[20:40:17] <xRaich[o]2x> hmmm mac[20:40:25] <xRaich[o]2x> do want[20:41:37] <UnixOne> I favor currently freebsd but I'm trying it in a virtual machine first. Don't know much about opensolaris though. But I tried it once some time ago[20:42:35] *** mega has joined #opensolaris[20:42:56] *** dusty__ has joined #opensolaris[20:44:04] <xRaich[o]2x> wait... you need the os today still you don't know a lot about the system itself and you want to switch?[20:44:42] <asyd> :)[20:44:51] <xRaich[o]2x> _while_ writing a thesis?[20:45:03] <xRaich[o]2x> sorry that sounds like a bad plan to me[20:45:20] <asyd> maybe the thesis is about procastination[20:45:35] <jbk> why do today what you can put off until tomorrow? :)[20:46:03] *** MrDusty has quit IRC[20:46:27] *** MrDusty has joined #opensolaris[20:47:08] *** |UnixOne| has joined #opensolaris[20:47:44] <asyd> pffff, few months w/o editing pages on os.org website, I forgot how it's difficult..@$#@[20:47:56] *** MrDusty has quit IRC[20:47:59] *** dusty__ has quit IRC[20:48:02] *** MrDusty has joined #opensolaris[20:48:18] <codestr0m> asyd: type port btrfs into google.. I think I may take advantage of google liking me[20:49:07] <_Lewellyn> advertising time? :)[20:49:29] *** authentic has quit IRC[20:49:34] <asyd> codestr0m: excellent :)[20:49:36] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[20:49:42] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: nothing like trying to steal the linux sunshine[20:49:53] <codestr0m> I may try to own the btrfs keyword.. seems easy[20:50:03] <codestr0m> (and popular)[20:50:11] <_Lewellyn> that's fine. linux clearcuts :)[20:50:22] <codestr0m> if I can't port it.. beat it ;)[20:50:59] <|UnixOne|> brtfs isn't as technologically advanced as zfs. I think it was created due to the license problem with linux and sun[20:51:51] <codestr0m> |UnixOne|: I think that's a very high level and dare I say uninformed perception.. I'm trying to dig into exact differences.. I may even look at the code, but if I'm going to port it.. may not.. haven't decided[20:52:02] <jbk> it reeks of NIH[20:52:19] <codestr0m> features.. yes.. looks like zfs, but I think cmason has some clear intent outside of zfs[20:52:28] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[20:52:39] <|UnixOne|> I believe that it is a fine fs and superior to all other, except zfs.[20:52:40] <_Lewellyn> jbk: lots of linuxy stuff reeks of that[20:53:06] <|UnixOne|> codestr0m: yes I think the linux dev's had their own thoughts[20:53:33] <_Lewellyn> jbk: a bit of that has to do with licensing :P[20:53:46] <jbk> percieved licensing[20:53:48] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[20:53:53] <codestr0m> these are just opinions.. or anecdotal evidence.. I've been bugging cmason for two days on exact features.. and will look at the on-disk design to compare[20:53:54] <jbk> where's the outrage over nvidias drivers?[20:54:01] <jbk> where's the outrage over powerpath[20:54:06] <jbk> where's the outrage over veritas?[20:54:14] <jbk> there isn't[20:54:30] <jbk> it's nothing but hypocracy[20:54:32] <xRaich[o]2x> jbk: but but it's FREE software!!!![20:55:15] <|UnixOne|> I guess that was the point^[20:55:16] <_Lewellyn> jbk: i'm not saying that the linux camp is anything but hypocritical. but they kinda built their coffin by using a restrictive "free" license[20:55:21] <codestr0m> anyway.. I only care about growing market share and having the best technology at my hands[20:55:25] <jbk> until i see the linux community wailing as loudly over those as they have over zfs, they will still be hypocrites in that area[20:55:35] <turtle> yeah really[20:55:37] <turtle> i'm with jbk[20:55:49] <jbk> well with zfs in fbsd and hopefully os x[20:55:59] <jbk> along with dtrace in os x, fbsd, and qnx[20:56:09] <turtle> ther'es no hopefully, zfs is in osx[20:56:17] <jbk> i'm gonna make the argument that dtrace & zfs are going to have more marketshare than systemtap or btrfs[20:56:18] <xRaich[o]2x> freebsd dtrace has still a long way to go[20:56:20] <codestr0m> hypocrites or not. doesn't matter. what matters is if they do make something better... clone or not.. if there's marketing to be gained.. be there at a point when people are thinking "is that the best platform/os?"[20:56:26] <_Lewellyn> turtle: as a user-visible os?[20:56:46] <_Lewellyn> it's not in Disk Utility.app in 10.5.6[20:56:52] <jbk> turtle: but as the primary os[20:57:14] <xRaich[o]2x> it would be awesome to see zfs on windows[20:57:22] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: what?![20:57:25] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: many have said this[20:57:25] <jbk> i've been contemplating that if i get the time :)[20:57:37] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: zfs + ntfs would be a pretty neat combination[20:57:48] <codestr0m> sorry to say it, but are you people on crack?[20:57:51] <|UnixOne|> codestr0m: that's what I care for too. that's why I'm trying to figure out howto install freebsd from livefs with zfs. currently its technologically really far away. OSX of course a nice system but too commercial (more then ms). opensolaris, yes what kept me is kde4.2 :P and that it isn't easy to learn, but totally different[20:58:03] <_Lewellyn> zfs for the "shared data" drive, rather than the current fat approach people take[20:58:12] *** UnixOne has quit IRC[20:58:32] <jbk> yeah, you'll never be able to officially boot windows off zfs[20:58:38] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: windows is the most popular operating system. like it or not. having zfs on it would push usage tremendiously[20:58:51] <_Lewellyn> jbk: i don't care about booting. i care about data interchange[20:59:05] <jbk> and just having zfs ported to other OSes is indirectly giving opensolaris exposure[20:59:11] <_Lewellyn> i don't trust fat, but that's the only choice right now[20:59:11] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: and interchange is another reason[20:59:12] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris[20:59:12] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: I don't care about usage of a filesystem.. it's not like that benefits back to the opensolaris community or at least I'm blind to see how[20:59:33] <xRaich[o]2x> what do you do now when you have external storage and want to use it on different oses?[20:59:39] <xRaich[o]2x> use FAT[20:59:42] *** MrDusty has quit IRC[20:59:50] <jbk> they see/use zfs on some other platform, and start wondering, what other cool things are there in opensolaris?[21:00:00] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: the linuxtards will start jumping ship to opensolaris because they can't get reiser/jfs/xfs in windows? :)[21:00:10] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: I used to use hfs+ :) works with mac and linux[21:00:28] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: and requires buggy pay-software for windows :([21:00:34] <xRaich[o]2x> having zfs on windows would make it possible to use external zfs storage devices on windows, mac, solaris and freebsd[21:00:36] <_Lewellyn> erm codestr0m , not xRaich[o]2x[21:00:45] *** tamr has quit IRC[21:00:45] <codestr0m> you guys who use windows.. port it.. doesn't impact me. my external storage is zfs[21:01:02] <|UnixOne|> zfs and crossplatform is real problem too currently[21:01:31] <codestr0m> |UnixOne|: Because opensolaris latest version is much higher than mac or fbsd?[21:01:44] <_Lewellyn> it really would be awesome to see zfs become the "hard disk data interchange" filesystem[21:01:47] <codestr0m> they can't even mount a recently formatted zfs volume anyway[21:02:00] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't use windows. i'm just realistic. it would be awesome. i could bring my zfs media to university and work with it on the windows boxes[21:02:22] <jbk> the only thing is i'd need to learn a bit more about window's driver model[21:02:42] <_Lewellyn> leave FAT for small solid-state media for "small" devices[21:02:51] <|UnixOne|> codestr0m: not just that. you've to make a network share to allow a simple copy/delete/move for others. windows and many other os don't ship zfs and maybe won't ever[21:02:53] <xRaich[o]2x> zfs on windows 7 would be the shit[21:03:02] <_Lewellyn> jbk: the DDK is pretty complete, but writing filter drivers sucks[21:03:34] <xRaich[o]2x> if that would happen i guess the license issues would be redundant and people would port it to linux :P[21:04:00] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: well. it would be zfs standalone[21:04:03] <|UnixOne|> zfs is not a problem for me though. I'm using pure linux or unix no windows atm.[21:04:21] <_Lewellyn> jbk: this page probably has what you need (Ntifs.h) http://www.acc.umu.se/~bosse/[21:05:06] <jbk> iv'e looked at that, though it's gpl, so it'd be good for education[21:05:54] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[21:06:09] <_Lewellyn> jbk: if the concept of using ms docs doesn't scare you, they've got some really good docs in the ddk, iirc[21:06:30] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: so? in offices a lot of boxes run windows. what server os would you pick with zfs on windows if you were an admin?[21:06:53] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: windows[21:07:03] <codestr0m> you'd just have zfs + windows everywhere[21:07:19] <codestr0m> you think that pointy haired admin will know a difference[21:07:29] <codestr0m> it'll take him a day to figure out you taped the bottom of his mouse[21:07:33] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: for a windows network, windows servers make sense.[21:07:40] <|UnixOne|> indeed[21:07:51] <|UnixOne|> except for special purposes[21:07:57] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: not really.. if you get the opensolaris AD up to a state where you could configure the damn thing it would be competition[21:08:01] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: what filesystem is on the servers is irrelevant to clients[21:08:04] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[21:08:16] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: and implement exchange? :)[21:08:29] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: there are exchange or groupware replacements[21:08:31] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: i'm talking about zfs send receive for incremental backups[21:08:32] <_Lewellyn> these days "windows network" still means "windows + office"[21:08:34] <codestr0m> some even interact with outlook[21:08:57] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: wasn't it said more than once.. zfs is not an enterprise backup solution[21:09:07] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: and at the moment, there's no viable end-to-end replacement for a windows server on a pure-windows network[21:09:32] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: i don't think i'd trust that, thanks.[21:09:37] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[21:09:46] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[21:09:54] <xRaich[o]2x> *sigh* whatever[21:10:57] <_Lewellyn> does zfs receive require auth? or are you going to install a pipeable ssh on every desktop?[21:11:40] <_Lewellyn> i agree it'd be neat for having a "hot spare" drive you can give someone[21:11:42] *** Odin- has quit IRC[21:11:50] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[21:11:50] <_Lewellyn> but i'd not use it for "real" backups[21:11:51] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[21:12:35] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[21:12:47] <turtle> _Lewellyn: yeah, it's not in diskutility on 10.5, you can just use zpool create though[21:13:07] <turtle> you would need to first install the latest zfs stuff from apple. but that's easy.[21:13:10] *** ken1 has quit IRC[21:13:19] *** gheet has quit IRC[21:13:21] <holcomb> where is the latest stuff again?[21:13:35] <xRaich[o]2x> just having a replacement for fat would be nice though[21:13:46] <turtle> from apple? http://zfs.macosforge.org/[21:14:23] <_Lewellyn> turtle: until it's *in* osx, it's not in osx :)[21:15:05] <turtle> it is in osx, it's just read only.[21:15:14] *** pksu has left #opensolaris[21:15:39] <xRaich[o]2x> what version? the last thing i heard was zfs 8[21:16:05] <turtle> it's still 8, they've stopped releasing any more updates for 10.5, if you want anything newer you'll have to wait for 10.6[21:16:49] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't have a mac yet. but i guess i'll get one this year[21:17:00] <xRaich[o]2x> still waiting for 10.6 though[21:18:12] <|UnixOne|> doesn't someone favor opensolaris over mac?[21:18:57] <xRaich[o]2x> both are tools i use whatever is appropriate to a specific task[21:20:02] *** LyosNorezel has left #opensolaris[21:20:13] *** samc has quit IRC[21:20:40] <tsoome> |UnixOne|: depends on task[21:20:45] *** therealsamc has joined #opensolaris[21:21:49] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris[21:22:25] <|UnixOne|> tsoome: in example? I'm coding java/c++/c# and do web development with php/css ajax etc. now I just learned latex and write my thesis with it. would you do that with a mac or opensolaris?[21:22:25] <_Lewellyn> |UnixOne|: i think you'll find more "tool for the job" people than zealots in the opensolaris community[21:22:27] *** anilg has quit IRC[21:22:41] <tsoome> mac dor desktop[21:22:44] <tsoome> for*[21:22:58] <tsoome> gnome integration just plain sucks[21:23:04] <_Lewellyn> opensolaris isn't yet "quite" there on the desktop[21:23:07] *** timsf has left #opensolaris[21:23:08] <tsoome> keyboard support is joke[21:23:08] <xRaich[o]2x> tsoome: ack[21:23:10] <_Lewellyn> especially if you're on a laptop[21:23:16] *** hsp has quit IRC[21:23:24] * _Lewellyn is running sxce on a laptop and speaks of daily use[21:23:24] <tsoome> multimedia support is joke[21:23:27] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: not true. I use it on a laptop for 9 months, but depends what you need[21:23:49] *** therealsamc is now known as samc[21:23:50] <codestr0m> tsoome: it's only a joke if you don't compile the stuff yourself.. otherwise I agree. oob == bad[21:24:06] *** medar has quit IRC[21:24:16] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: suspend not killing X, a functioning battery meter, full trackpad support, working sd card support, the network panel icon working properly, wifi auto-connecting when an ESSID is in range...[21:24:21] <tsoome> it *is* possible to use solaris as desktop - i have used it as desktop since sunos 3.2 btw[21:24:21] *** juriskr has joined #opensolaris[21:24:37] <|UnixOne|> I worked with kubuntu and had a very nice workflow.[21:24:38] <_Lewellyn> and yes, i realize that a couple of these are coming out post-109[21:24:50] <|UnixOne|> means that I can work with any os having support for kde^[21:24:54] <_Lewellyn> and SFE fixes a couple[21:25:06] <|UnixOne|> except windows. I don't feel secure enough there[21:25:16] <|UnixOne|> just use it for c#[21:25:17] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[21:25:19] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: Hardware support got a lot better in the last few months. but still i'd rather take a mac for a desktop nowadays[21:25:26] <_Lewellyn> but the battery meter sucks, and i spend 15 mins trying to get onto a "preferred" network each boot.[21:25:38] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: I don't suspend.. battery == runs out when it runs out.. my touchpad is well supported.. the rest. seems like gui I don't use or is out of my way[21:26:00] <_Lewellyn> it doesn't help that the network panel likes popping up balloons while you're trying to click its menus[21:26:21] <|UnixOne|> everything is supported here on my machine. And I've exotic hw as bluetooth kbd and mouse 7.1 etc.[21:26:23] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: i like knowing that i have 20% battery left and should find an outlet soon[21:26:44] <xRaich[o]2x> opensolaris still lacks wpa enterprise that's also another drawback. sucks when you want to be mobile[21:26:54] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: i've checked when the flashy-battery-light on my laptop indicates < 10% and the os still thinks i have 99%[21:27:07] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: and non-ascii ESSIDs[21:27:16] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: that's something I can agree on[21:27:33] <juriskr> Hi everybody.[21:27:34] <xRaich[o]2x> never needed that. but that's another drawback[21:27:36] <_Lewellyn> the non-ascii essid thing was the first bump i hit after sxce installed[21:29:01] <xRaich[o]2x> and yes. suspend is also a great issue[21:29:10] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[21:29:30] <_Lewellyn> well, 107's new xorg breaks S3 on i915 machines[21:29:44] <_Lewellyn> it worked fine in 106[21:29:48] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[21:29:51] <xRaich[o]2x> the new xorg breaks a lot of thing.[21:29:55] <_Lewellyn> yes :P[21:30:07] <_Lewellyn> i seem to have lost hardware-accelerated gl, too :P[21:31:05] <xRaich[o]2x> it's the small things that drive you nuts when using opensolaris on a laptop ^^[21:31:17] <xRaich[o]2x> i still like it a lot. it's a great os[21:31:45] *** juriskr has quit IRC[21:32:29] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[21:32:31] *** MrDusty has joined #opensolaris[21:33:30] *** Tusk21 has joined #opensolaris[21:33:31] *** anilg1 has quit IRC[21:33:45] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[21:33:45] <alanc> _Lewellyn: yeah, the i915 kernel driver didn't get synced up in time for the new Xorg release - it got fixed in 109, after the beijing team got back from the Chinese New Year holiday time off[21:34:08] <_Lewellyn> oh neat. now i want 109 more :)[21:34:12] <xRaich[o]2x> :)[21:34:33] <xRaich[o]2x> sounds cool. 109 seems to be packed full with goodies[21:34:40] <_Lewellyn> and i think i want 110 even more[21:35:02] <codestr0m> alanc: the 109 cut already happened so it's just packaging right?[21:35:05] <_Lewellyn> apparently 110 will fix sdcard support[21:35:08] <alanc> and then there will be 111, and probably 111a & 111b[21:35:27] <_Lewellyn> since i had more functional sdcard support under solaris 10 than i do under sxce ;)[21:35:44] <codestr0m> 111 is when zfs crypt lands?[21:35:44] <tsoome> _Lewellyn: it happens:D[21:36:07] <xRaich[o]2x> zfs crypto moved to 111 now?[21:36:13] <alanc> codestr0m: SXCE 109 ISO's were built last week, should be going through the external release process now for their normal Friday release, comay sent out the code review this morning for the IPS packaging updates to import them to the IPS repos[21:36:47] <codestr0m> alanc: interesting. yeah I just know between the hg tag there's some latency[21:36:54] <alanc> 111 is the 2009.06 target release, so it's a restricted build, and shouldn't be big new features like ZFS crypto lagging[21:37:04] <_Lewellyn> someone here mentioned running 109 internally, last week. so i can only assume it was cut then :)[21:37:04] *** anilg2 has joined #opensolaris[21:37:43] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: you can check onnv-gate tags. it's easy[21:38:04] <_Lewellyn> then i'd be even more impatiently waiting for friday :P[21:38:08] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[21:38:15] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: build it now[21:38:17] <codestr0m> nothing stops you[21:38:27] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[21:38:30] <alanc> ON builds their binaries and packages a week before the cutoff for delivering to the people who build the WOS images - takes them a few days to build the images and test the various install methods before they send out for internal testing, then usually 7-10 days for those images to be published as SXCE on the external site[21:39:17] <_Lewellyn> yes, i'm stopped by wanting to ensure that what i'm running is the same *exact* base os as i'd get by installing the dvd on a fresh box[21:39:21] *** webmink_ has joined #opensolaris[21:39:58] <xRaich[o]2x> so 111 is the 2009.06 target release... that's pretty early isn't it?[21:39:58] <_Lewellyn> i have no guarantee that i don't mess up my own build :)[21:40:22] *** luc^ has quit IRC[21:40:28] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: you'd prefer a minimal ammount of testing?[21:40:30] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: zfs root.. snap before you do it[21:40:49] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: not really. i'm just surprised[21:41:14] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: that's irrelevant. it may work fine for me, but there may be slight differences if i install it on another machine[21:41:36] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: I think you overestimate what they do with that packaging[21:41:38] <e^ipi> 3 months worth of testing & polish isn't bad *shrug*[21:41:39] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[21:41:53] <e^ipi> how much testing/polish time do other people ( fedora, ubuntu ) have?[21:41:54] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: at least i know i have the same exact data you'd get from downloading a dvd[21:42:06] *** jkimball4 has quit IRC[21:42:09] *** jkimball4 has joined #opensolaris[21:42:12] <xRaich[o]2x> e^ipi: yeah it's a lot more than last time, that's why i was a little surprised ;)[21:42:23] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: what guarantee does that have? and who says it's the same.. upgrade path isn't guaranteed[21:42:31] *** joanie has quit IRC[21:42:38] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: i mean that my install media == your install media[21:42:44] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: did they have even a day last time. it was like rc1 was renamed and voila... it's there[21:42:47] <_Lewellyn> if i build it myself, that's not true[21:43:10] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: well. after the release cuts.. roll back.. update again and enjoy the *exact* same thing[21:43:15] <codestr0m> in the time between you've tested more[21:43:18] <xRaich[o]2x> codestr0m: you learn from mistakes[21:43:26] <codestr0m> xRaich[o]2x: *girns*[21:43:34] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: i think you overestimate my available time.[21:43:36] <codestr0m> that's a broken smile. I meant *grins*[21:43:58] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: how so. you're arguing with me on irc[21:44:16] <_Lewellyn> i'm waiting for someone to reply to an im before i walk out the door ;)[21:44:18] *** webmink_ is now known as webmink[21:44:25] <_Lewellyn> and i'm going to be recompiling gcc while i'm gone[21:44:38] <_Lewellyn> so it's efficient use of cycles[21:45:10] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi[21:45:11] <pjfloyd> gcc bleurg[21:45:31] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[21:45:31] <e^ipi> codestr0m: don't expect that to change[21:45:34] <e^ipi> an rc is an rc[21:45:40] *** wms has quit IRC[21:45:41] <e^ipi> it is a candidate for release[21:45:44] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[21:45:51] <e^ipi> there should be no difference between an RC and the "real thing"[21:46:12] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: however, there ought to be enough time to test the RC before releasing it. :)[21:46:31] <e^ipi> there were a couple betas, and 2 rc's[21:46:39] <e^ipi> rc2 was out for a couple weeks[21:46:51] <_Lewellyn> 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#opensolaris[22:35:38] *** Ollie_R has joined #opensolaris[22:35:51] *** sartek has quit IRC[22:37:05] <vmlemon_> Hmm, not sure if it's exactly on-topic here, but does anyone know if the code at http://www.lernnetz-sh.de/kmLinux/doc/c-vorlesung/c-stdlib/stdarg.h.htm would be freely redistributable/reusable, given that it was originally from AT&T UNIX?[22:38:29] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[22:39:06] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[22:39:10] <hali> vmlemon_: only if you want to get sued by SCO :)[22:39:17] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[22:39:19] <vmlemon_> Heh[22:41:11] * vmlemon_ looks for the OpenSolaris version of that header file...[22:42:47] <jmcp> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/head/stdarg.h is a possibility[22:42:59] <vmlemon_> Aah[22:43:13] <vmlemon_> I was just looking at that, before you posted the URL ;)[22:44:00] *** mega_ has quit IRC[22:44:34] <vmlemon_> Thanks[22:47:21] *** ricardo has joined #opensolaris[22:47:32] *** jiraia 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(assuming you're starting from an opensolaris 2008.11/dev base) - fine to /msg me too btw[22:55:00] <seanmcg_> dvd player :)[22:55:03] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: wpa enterprise support[22:55:39] <dec> 25[22:55:39] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:55:48] <vmlemon_> Does world peace count? ;)[22:55:57] <xRaich[o]2x> vmlemon_: hard to implement :P[22:56:14] <xRaich[o]2x> delete [] humans; first ^^[22:56:34] <seanmcg_> no c++ in the kernel too.[22:57:06] <xRaich[o]2x> c++ in the kernel![22:57:13] <jmcp> xRaich[o]2x: *short*[22:57:17] <Gman> xRaich[o]2x: i'm assuming at least some of the wireless drivers support wpa enterprise, no/[22:57:34] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[22:57:44] <tsoome> some ice in my coca plx[22:57:46] <jbk> Gman: isn't that all handled by the net80211 drivers?[22:57:47] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: ok make that wpa enterprise for intel drivers ;)[22:58:03] *** pgr has quit IRC[22:58:04] <jbk> err driver[22:58:42] <Gman> jbk: honestly, i don't know - i'd have to do some reading[22:59:02] <jbk> unforuntately, it's all undocumented[22:59:06] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris[22:59:15] <jbk> so it seems you need to know how 802.11 works, then start reading the source :)[22:59:23] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: the last time i talked to one of the guys from china i've been told that it's in the making[22:59:24] *** estibi has quit IRC[22:59:34] <Gman> xRaich[o]2x: sort of looks like ath supports it[22:59:37] <seanmcg_> better intel and ati graphics support too.[22:59:48] <Gman> better = ?[22:59:49] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: but that's about it afaik[22:59:50] <jbk> jmcp: hi[22:59:56] <vmlemon_> A Bluetooth packet dumping utility (similar to hcidump supplied with Linux-BlueZ)?[22:59:58] <Gman> xRaich[o]2x: nod[23:00:00] <seanmcg_> run compix[23:00:03] <jmcp> hi jbk[23:00:08] <seanmcg_> s/x/z[23:00:15] <jmcp> Gman: lsusb would be nice[23:00:17] * Gman would like bluetooth support, but sort of goes into a 'nice to have' category[23:00:24] <seanmcg_> have good working compiz with ati and intel graphics[23:00:25] <jmcp> don't we have that in 107?[23:00:52] <seanmcg_> Isn't there a recent bluetooth mouse driver ?[23:00:54] <Gman> jmcp: i bet hal can do something close to lsusb[23:01:04] <seanmcg_> not bundled yet, though[23:01:09] <jmcp> Gman: I bet hal can f*k it up, too[23:01:14] <Gman> heh[23:01:18] <vmlemon_> A pony? ;)[23:01:19] *** ricardo has quit IRC[23:01:49] <seanmcg_> Gman, opencl would be nice too, have to wait for a free implementation I suppose unless nvidia release one for solaris too[23:01:49] <xRaich[o]2x> vmlemon_: no i told you so many times. we don't have the money for a pony!!![23:02:02] <xRaich[o]2x> hmmm opencl would be fantastic[23:02:07] <jmcp> Gman: btw, I have totally removed tracker-related packages from my system - you can't easily disable it without getting a message "tracker must re-index your home directory to activate these changes" sort of message. I got the garlic and stake out[23:02:08] <jbk> well we'll probably get color ls, and maybe grep -r in the next opensolaris release[23:02:17] <Gman> jmcp: yeah, lshal isn't quite so nice[23:02:27] <Gman> jmcp: yeah, bug.[23:02:39] <Gman> jbk: and find! :)[23:02:56] <jbk> haven't done anything on find[23:02:57] <jmcp> Gman: I know, *star* !![23:02:58] * jmcp hides[23:03:05] * vmlemon_ kicks the iterasiLite Firefox extension for spontaneously/randomly opening new windows to archive the same URL over and over again[23:03:10] <Gman> no reason it can't be in the repo[23:03:13] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: export keyword for the sun C++ compiler *scnr* :P[23:03:16] <Gman> surprised joerg hasn't done that yet[23:04:00] <vmlemon_> Hmm, has anyone had success reading volumes formatted with Windows Vista/Windows 7's bastardised version of UDF under (Open)Solaris, as of late?[23:04:31] <vmlemon_> I've never seen them work under Linux, although I know that Windows won't mount Linux's UDF volumes, too...[23:04:36] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: ext support would be cool to. i don't need it but it's a huge barrier for people who want to migrate[23:04:51] <Gman> now we're getting some good suggestions ;)[23:04:56] * Gman ^5's xRaich[o]2x[23:05:02] <xRaich[o]2x> ^^[23:05:24] <Gman> fortunately it's already on my list[23:05:28] <e^ipi> people bitch about media support *shrug*[23:05:34] <e^ipi> not that there's anything that can be done about it[23:05:35] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[23:05:48] <Gman> the media stuff is a good suggestion too[23:05:56] <xRaich[o]2x> +1[23:05:56] <Gman> codeina has gone in[23:06:04] <Gman> (while it doesn't quite solve the problem, it helps it a little)[23:06:07] <jmcp> how about a metapackage to make it easy to get and install the codecs etc, even if Sun can't provide them?[23:06:12] <jmcp> eg, links to mplayer.hu etc[23:06:15] <e^ipi> real media codecs that people use[23:06:21] <Gman> that's sort of what codeina does though[23:06:28] <e^ipi> not theora[23:06:48] <xRaich[o]2x> mpeg support ootb would be great[23:06:52] * vmlemon_ dares someone to implement an SCO OpenServer Branded Zone ;)[23:06:56] <e^ipi> all of the ones that people want are all patented and copyrighted[23:07:10] <seanmcg_> linux 2.6 branded zones[23:07:41] <Gman> wonder if anyone actually uses linux branded zones?[23:07:54] <Gman> doesn't seem like it's got much attention recently[23:07:59] *** cemerick has quit IRC[23:07:59] <e^ipi> Gman: i would for mediatomb *shrug*[23:08:00] <Gman> etude, certainly[23:08:04] <e^ipi> right now i use xen[23:08:37] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: we always suggest it to people that come from linux and want to use linux software that is not available on solaris... most of the time they fail[23:08:49] <pfn> they fail? heh[23:09:06] <xRaich[o]2x> yeah. they don't understand how zones work :P[23:09:09] <e^ipi> xRaich[o]2x: that's kinna what contrib/ is for[23:09:15] <e^ipi> oh, n/m[23:09:18] <e^ipi> misunderstood the statement[23:09:31] <seanmcg_> Gman, possibly expand etude for S9 and S10..[23:09:38] <vmlemon_> Maybe they expect it to work like the ABI compatibility environment on F/O/NBSD, rather than more like chroots?[23:09:39] <xRaich[o]2x> i was talking about stuff like skype for example[23:09:41] <e^ipi> an instant zone creation gui *shrug*[23:09:49] <e^ipi> should be easy with pygtk[23:09:50] <xRaich[o]2x> something i'd actually like to have[23:09:51] <seanmcg_> but then cu's would never move off them..[23:10:00] *** |UnixOne| has left #opensolaris[23:10:11] <xRaich[o]2x> i consider zones as pretty simple. even from command line. not that i use them a lot[23:10:16] *** scoffin has joined #opensolaris[23:10:25] <Gman> seanmcg_: etude is there for s9, agree we need to get to s10[23:10:46] <seanmcg_> oh, thanks Gman didn't know that :}[23:11:03] <Gman> xRaich[o]2x: setting up the linux zone isn't the easiest thing in the world[23:11:21] <Gman> but lack of 2.6 support, seems like we're behind the ball on it[23:11:35] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: tried it only once. seemed ok to me but i've used the centos tarball[23:11:35] <Gman> (maybe other virtualization solutions are a better substitute here)[23:11:38] <jmcp> Gman: how do I pkg image-update a non global zone on OS? just the rtfm pointer will be enough[23:11:49] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi[23:12:05] <Gman> jmcp: it's not easy, you need to detach, image-update, then attach[23:12:17] <Gman> don't think there's the notion of full vs sparse either right now[23:12:37] <e^ipi> Gman: i'm pretty sure the idea of sparse zones was eliminated[23:12:47] <Gman> so i'd like to see a better user experience around that too[23:12:50] <Gman> e^ipi: nod[23:13:02] <Gman> say you have 5 zones though, updating them would be a pain[23:13:12] * Gman would like some degree of image-updating from the global zone or something[23:13:27] <Gman> (on my list already)[23:13:50] <e^ipi> some way to have zones living on clones get updated the right way would be nice[23:14:00] <jmcp> Gman: at the moment I detach, LU, then attach after reboot, so that procedure doesn't sound too different[23:14:21] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: as for wpa enterprise. a lot of universities use it. it's pretty annoying when you can't use the internet when in university.[23:14:22] <e^ipi> ( maybe update the parent, take another snapshot, and send the incremental or something ?)[23:14:29] <Gman> e^ipi: yeah, zones and BE are a little confusing too[23:14:33] <trichobezoar> would be less of a problem if dedup was supported[23:14:35] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: did you try to nat your lx zone? :)[23:14:42] <xRaich[o]2x> that's actually the only thing right now i'm really missing[23:14:50] <e^ipi> trichobezoar: not really what i meant[23:14:54] <Gman> xRaich[o]2x: ok, will do some research, thanks[23:15:17] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: just tried a linux zone for fun. i'm not really an admin ;) i use opensolaris to program ^^[23:15:40] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[23:15:42] <seanmcg_> Gman, make fastboot default, and supported on sparc..[23:15:48] * pfn has lusted after building an opensolaris box for a few years now :([23:15:51] <pfn> still hasn't happened yet[23:15:53] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: even though it's pretty impressive[23:15:54] <Gman> seanmcg_: yeah, seriously[23:15:56] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: i set up an lx branded zone 1) in case i actually need linux binaries; 2) to prove to people that it's a valid migration choice[23:16:17] <Gman> seanmcg_: sherry indicated that some sort of policy (at arc?) needed to change first[23:16:19] *** stevel has quit IRC[23:16:20] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC[23:16:20] <vmlemon_> asprintf() support in the C Library?[23:16:28] <Gman> never quite got to the bottom of why we didn't do it by default for opensolaris[23:16:28] *** MrDusty has joined #opensolaris[23:16:30] <_Lewellyn> i just need to figure out how to install something newer than centos 3 now :P[23:16:35] <jbk> vmlemon_: already integrated[23:16:43] <vmlemon_> Aah[23:16:45] <jbk> b107 or 108 i think[23:16:50] <vmlemon_> Thanks[23:17:08] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: i think there are more bsd users that migrate to opensolaris right now. but i might be wrong[23:17:10] <vmlemon_> Goes to show how long it was since I last gave (Open)Solaris a whirl[23:17:27] <Gman> (i assume not enough drivers had quiesce support)[23:17:36] <seanmcg_> Gman, I used to ask one of the fastboot guys for a feature to preserve userland processes too, but thats a bit tooo out there.[23:17:50] <_Lewellyn> xRaich[o]2x: i'm not interested in migrating my clients' bsd boxes to solaris :)[23:18:11] <Gman> seanmcg_: heh[23:18:14] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: i'm not talking about you ^^[23:18:15] *** bwy has quit IRC[23:18:18] *** stewart_ is now known as stewart[23:18:35] *** fexy has quit IRC[23:18:58] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: it's just an impression i got[23:19:27] <vmlemon_> They probably want F/O/NBSD Branded Zones, then ;)[23:19:40] <e^ipi> Gman: better power management stuff, the stuff that PM is working on ( tickless kernel, better energy efficiency, laptops with > 1hr battery life, etc ) but i'm not sure how helpful that is for your paper[23:19:49] <_Lewellyn> i'd be surprised to see bsd users move to solaris en masse[23:20:07] <_Lewellyn> there's been a long-standing fued between bsd and svr4 ;)[23:20:35] <_Lewellyn> granted, solaris is as close as you can get to bridging the two, but still...[23:20:55] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: see above. i said: i might be wrong ;)[23:20:58] <vmlemon_> There's always "Universes" like DomainOS had...[23:21:13] <vmlemon_> Or are Branded Zones close enough?[23:21:34] <alanc> ooh...domainOS.... ps //remotemachine... 8-)[23:22:02] <seanmcg_> zfs mirror detach/attach would be nice.[23:22:17] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris[23:22:40] <vmlemon_> Probably a stupid request, but support for adding Door files to tar archives?[23:23:10] <e^ipi> support for -z/-j in tar would come first probably[23:23:44] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: you mean SINIX universes? :)[23:24:13] <vmlemon_> Aah[23:24:14] <tsoome> why u need door files in archives?:D[23:24:25] <xRaich[o]2x> Gman: talking about ext. maybe ntfs support would be kinda neat too.[23:24:41] <vmlemon_> No idea, it just sounds like a nice idea, given that it already supports Solaris Extended Attributes[23:25:03] <seanmcg_> e^pi, did you see what went into b110 ? Power Aware Dispatcher, Deep C-States and Turbo mode observability.. helps things on the way towards tickless kernel[23:25:05] <vmlemon_> I don't know what the practical application would be, though[23:25:16] <vmlemon_> HFS+ support?[23:25:32] <e^ipi> seanmcg_: yeah, i know people are working on it[23:25:43] <_Lewellyn> seanmcg_: i remember remarking on those when i saw CIA note them :)[23:25:48] <seanmcg_> e^pi, and do away with two flags for compress tarballs.. one should be enough..[23:25:53] <e^ipi> just if it's a "where to put resources" document Gman 's writing, should be in there[23:25:57] <jbk> vmlemon_: why door files?[23:26:35] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[23:26:36] <Gman> hfs+ is probably something i dont' care about[23:26:37] <jbk> they aren't particularly useful if something hasn't attached to them[23:26:42] <Gman> i assume cifs covers the ntfs stuff[23:26:50] <Gman> ext3/4 would be useful, possibly hard to get[23:26:54] <vmlemon_> It was just an idle thought, after observing how they're currently handled (after seeking one out, of course)[23:27:26] <e^ipi> Gman: some other supported linux filesystem though[23:27:26] <e^ipi> one that's actually documented or relatively stable[23:27:37] <vmlemon_> ReiserFS? ;)[23:27:54] <seanmcg_> isn't ntfs-3g coming in soon ?[23:28:05] <e^ipi> i was thinking XFS or JFS... something that exists because of the cast-off detritus of a unix company[23:28:17] <vmlemon_> There's always the ancient UNIX file systems FUSE stuff[23:28:35] *** stevel_ has quit IRC[23:28:51] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[23:28:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[23:28:52] *** rv- has quit IRC[23:29:09] <vmlemon_> Hmm, wasn't JFS ported to Linux from OS/2, or something along those lines?[23:29:18] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: jfs is still supported by aix :)[23:29:24] *** _setuid_H has joined #opensolaris[23:29:25] <vmlemon_> (Just so that they didn't use AIX code, if I vaguely remember correctly)[23:29:38] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: jfs came from aix and was previously retrofitted to os/2[23:29:48] <trichobezoar> i thought they were different jfs...[23:29:52] <vmlemon_> Aah[23:29:57] <Gman> e^ipi: i suspect most of the linux world has standardized around ext, unless btrfs happens to trump it[23:30:08] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: no. you can mount an os/2 volume on aix and vice-versa[23:30:13] <_setuid_H> Evening guys[23:30:30] <_Lewellyn> i think EAs were implemented like POSIX ACLs[23:30:54] <e^ipi> Gman: i agree, but some way to share information other than FAT[23:31:17] <e^ipi> people seem not to like the suggestion to just use NFS[23:31:25] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: is this an offshoot of the convo earlier about how much fat sucks as an interchange format?[23:31:33] <vmlemon_> UDF![23:31:42] <e^ipi> which conversation?[23:31:50] <e^ipi> that's a conversation that's been going on for years[23:31:54] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: you can't use nfs on an non-networked multi-boot machine[23:31:56] <vmlemon_> And get Microsoft to fix their non-standard/"enhanced" implementation[23:32:04] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: udf is read-only on solaris :([23:32:08] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: hence the suggestion[23:32:09] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: i tried that already ;)[23:32:10] <vmlemon_> Eh>[23:32:22] *** doug_out is now known as doug_outout[23:32:35] <_Lewellyn> you can make a rw udf volume on vista, no problem. but you can't write to it on solaris. :)[23:32:43] <vmlemon_> _Lewellyn: Strange, since I'm sure I've written to a UDF-formatted pen drive under Solaris, after formatting it on Linux[23:32:56] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: dunno. didn't work for me.[23:33:10] <vmlemon_> Aah, not sure if it was a later/earlier version, then[23:33:12] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: we were talking earlier about zfs on windows to allow zfs to be used for interchange :)[23:33:15] <trichobezoar> being able to do udf to a dvdrw would be neat[23:33:18] <vmlemon_> The fun thing is that Vista won't even read a Linux/Solaris created volume[23:33:23] <vmlemon_> So much for interoperability[23:33:43] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: sure it will. if it's fat, ntfs, udf, exfat, or one of a few others[23:33:53] <_Lewellyn> and now you can read ext2/3 and reiser on windows[23:33:57] <vmlemon_> *created UDF volume[23:34:02] <_Lewellyn> (those are third-party, though)[23:34:02] <vmlemon_> (My bad)[23:34:21] <_Lewellyn> you have to use the proper invocation to make a windows-compatible udf volume[23:34:29] <_Lewellyn> i think the mskb notes that somewhere[23:34:46] <vmlemon_> format /fuckedupformat /F:UDF, or something like that? ;)[23:35:00] * vmlemon_ looks on his Win7 box[23:35:12] <_Lewellyn> no, i mean on the non-windows side[23:35:18] <vmlemon_> Aah[23:35:19] <vmlemon_> Unless it's /wedontcareaboutstandards[23:35:29] <_Lewellyn> it's real easy to create a udf filesystem on vista. use disk management :)[23:35:50] <trichobezoar> Bah I cant find a way to disable my PC's internal speaker on opensolaris... was able to with sxce and oss[23:35:50] <_Lewellyn> right click, new volume, RAW. right-click, format, UDF.[23:36:04] *** acruz has joined #opensolaris[23:36:11] *** _setuid_H has quit IRC[23:36:14] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i had no internal speaker in sxce on 106. i get a facsimile in 108[23:36:46] * vmlemon_ has the said USB disk on his shelf, which won't mount with the latest version of Linux's UDF driver, despite trying all revisions of UDF that Windows creates[23:36:50] <_Lewellyn> i'm not sure whether that's an improvement or a regression yet :)[23:37:05] <vmlemon_> I read somewhere that they set certain flags in a non-standard manner[23:37:07] <trichobezoar> the mixer options are rather generic and there's no mixer app to deal with it[23:37:09] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: using windows 7? that's beta :)[23:37:20] <vmlemon_> Good point[23:37:28] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i get no fancy mixer, either[23:37:43] *** acruz has left #opensolaris[23:37:53] * trichobezoar looks at _Lewellyn funny[23:37:54] <vmlemon_> I know others have had problems with Vista's UDF volumes, so I assume the file system creation code is the same/very similar[23:37:58] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: as i said, the only issue i had with udf is that solaris and osx treats the filesystems as readonly[23:38:04] <vmlemon_> Aah[23:38:15] <_Lewellyn> i can't get osx to write to ANY udf volume though[23:38:24] <vmlemon_> Tried with Leopard?[23:38:25] <_Lewellyn> i've tried a few ways to create it :)[23:38:35] <_Lewellyn> i've tried with 10.3, 10.4, and 10.5[23:38:40] <vmlemon_> OK[23:38:42] <_Lewellyn> i don't have earlier easily accessible[23:38:54] <_Lewellyn> though i have media all the way back to public beta[23:38:59] <vmlemon_> I know that 10.2 certainly didn't have UDF write support[23:39:10] <vmlemon_> (I had it on an iMac at one time)[23:39:25] <vmlemon_> Mac OS 9 did, though[23:39:34] <_Lewellyn> the short of the matter is that UDF doesn't work as a cross-platform interchange format at this time[23:39:47] <_Lewellyn> yeah. lots of os 9 stuff has yet to reappear :P[23:39:56] <vmlemon_> Although it did something weird with the root directory, so that other implementations couldn't always write data[23:40:17] <vmlemon_> (I know that it had issues writing to UDF volumes created with mkudffs on Linux)[23:40:38] <_Lewellyn> in my opinion, it'd be good bang for the development time if someone wrote a zfs driver for windows xp and newer[23:40:55] <_Lewellyn> since osx 10.6 is supposedly adding write support for zfs[23:41:16] <turtle> it's pretty much confirmed[23:41:25] <_Lewellyn> i believe you can use zfs in fuse on linux[23:41:27] <vmlemon_> Shame that what was supposed to be a "Universal" file system has been hobbled, delayed in implementation, and half-heartedly implemented over the years[23:41:35] <_Lewellyn> and *bsd is covered already, i think.[23:41:45] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: it's on every dvd :)[23:41:52] <vmlemon_> Isn't ZFS support native on FBSD?[23:42:06] *** yarihm has joined #opensolaris[23:42:13] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: i think it is now. i think it's coming to the other bsds soon, if they don't have it yet.[23:42:28] <_Lewellyn> zfs would be a great interchange format :)[23:42:36] <vmlemon_> _Lewellyn: True, although nearly every version of Windows barring Vista and 7 can't create UDF volumes without 3rd party software, and even then, only on optical media[23:42:40] <turtle> FreeBSD is the only one that has it[23:43:06] <_Lewellyn> i used to use hpfs for interchange between nt and os/2. until windows 2000 killed pinball.sys :([23:43:11] <vmlemon_> Meh[23:43:18] * vmlemon_ wanted to try that, at one time[23:43:40] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: as i said, it's just a few clicks to make a udf hard disk partition on vista. just use the disk management snapin[23:43:59] <trichobezoar> what advantage to that is there?[23:44:05] *** MrCerulean has joined #opensolaris[23:44:05] <vmlemon_> Emphasis on "barring" ;)[23:44:20] <vmlemon_> (XP didn't have that feature, although I know Vista does)[23:44:23] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: theoretically, udf is universal.[23:44:46] <_Lewellyn> vmlemon_: i read your statement as "and even vista and newer can only do it on optical media)[23:44:49] <vmlemon_> Hmm, didn't someone port FUSE to Windows at one point?[23:44:50] <vmlemon_> Aah[23:45:05] <MrCerulean> Good afternoon. zfs/nfs help, please. I've created a new pool and a filesystem in the pool. I set a mountpoint for the file system. I set sharenfs=on for the filesystem. When attempting to mount from a Linux box, I get "permission denied"[23:45:51] <MrCerulean> Oops.[23:46:05] <MrCerulean> Answering my own query, on Linux, I have to use mount -t nfs4[23:46:35] <Andys^> http://drplokta.livejournal.com/109267.html <-- vista sucks, technical edition[23:46:45] <vmlemon_> Hehe[23:46:46] <jmcp> MrCerulean: you might want to check your /etc/idmap.conf file, make sure you specify the same nfs4 domain on your OpenSolaris box and your linux box[23:47:26] <MrCerulean> jmcp: I don't have /etc/idmap.conf on the OS box.[23:47:57] <MrCerulean> jmcp: On the Linux box, it's /etc/idmapd.conf[23:48:20] <vmlemon_> Classy[23:48:22] <jmcp> MrCerulean: in OpenSolaris you'll want to check /etc/default/nfs[23:48:25] <tsoome> hint: solaris is not linux[23:48:28] <vmlemon_> Nice to know that their TCP/IP stack sucks[23:48:45] <jmcp> MrCerulean: not being a frequent linux user, I claim no accuracy with the filename there :)[23:49:23] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[23:49:27] <MrCerulean> jmcp: ;) What to restart after changing /etc/default/nfs?[23:49:34] <jbk> also[23:49:54] <MrCerulean> An additional question: how does one set root squash on zfs filesystems that are nfs exported?[23:50:05] <jbk> the current nfs4 domain being used is in a file under /var/run[23:50:20] <jbk> i think nfs4_domain[23:50:29] <jbk> but it's something obvious (once you know to look there :P)[23:50:43] <jmcp> MrCerulean: on OpenSolaris, i'd look at all the nfs services, and enable them --> svcs \*nfs\* then svcadm enable[23:51:29] <e^ipi> MrCerulean: if you do nothing, it should map root to nobody[23:51:41] *** gheet has joined #opensolaris[23:51:54] *** tamr has quit IRC[23:51:57] <MrCerulean> e^ipi: I believe it does, but I need root on the Linux system to have permissions on the share.[23:52:14] <e^ipi> then your share option would be anon=hostname[23:52:28] <e^ipi> sharenfs takes either 'on', 'off' or share options[23:53:12] *** norm3 has joined #opensolaris[23:54:53] <jmcp> MrCerulean: as in zfs set sharenfs="on,anon=hostname" datasetname[23:55:52] *** stevel_ has joined #opensolaris[23:55:56] *** bigjocker has quit IRC[23:55:59] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[23:56:11] *** gigasoft has joined #opensolaris[23:56:54] <sponix2ipfw> http://sponix.pastebin.com/m317f153a[23:56:56] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: that's not vista-specific. he noted briefly that debian did it for a while, too.[23:57:09] *** warrenstrange has joined #opensolaris[23:57:14] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: i wouldn't be surprised if SP2 backs it out[23:57:15] <sponix2ipfw> SCR331 USB Reader doesn't work ?[23:57:19] *** rv- has quit IRC[23:57:23] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: also, that's old news :P[23:58:03] <_Lewellyn> i recall mention of it on microsoft.beta.* around beta 2 of vista[23:58:54] <CIA-40> Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik at Sun dot COM>: 6812321 i.rbac broken after mercurial "update"[23:59:32] <Andys^> AH[23:59:47] <Andys^> so has it been patched?