March 3, 2009 
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March 3, 2009 [00:00:16] <jbk> and felt that as developers, since they figured out how to install linux on their desktops, they knew everythign about systems administration[00:00:21] <_Lewellyn> their web site is a barely-maintained 5-year-old cms i did that started life on freebsd 5 and is now on freebsd 7 (same software versions, yay compat5x), and it outperforms anything they've done since[00:00:26] <jbk> and thus could ignore everything the sysadmins said[00:00:34] *** turtle___ has joined #OpenSolaris[00:00:36] *** paul___ has joined #opensolaris[00:00:39] <trichobezoar> I cant find anything for pkg search -r DAV/dav or svn. for the apache plugin[00:00:39] <_Lewellyn> we timed it today. 4 second page load vs 30 second page load. and the page has far more content.[00:00:48] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: you meant to direct that at me, surely? :)[00:00:57] *** Posterdati has quit IRC[00:01:00] <lukehasnoname> Is there a better way to see active disks on the system than format?[00:01:01] <trichobezoar> barely. iostat -En[00:01:09] <jbk> glad to get out of there :)[00:01:20] <jbk> plus now the new CIO is wanting to move everything to india apparently[00:01:37] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: to get as many things installed in freebsd as quickly as solaris (in this case, sxce) installs them, it takes longer. :)[00:01:41] <jbk> guess he heard that's so 3-5 years ago :)[00:01:49] *** jacksond has quit IRC[00:01:52] * _Lewellyn will remove excess packages later[00:02:02] <lukehasnoname> a little better[00:02:04] <trichobezoar> ah i suck. mod_dav_svn is part of apache. but pkg search didnt find it. <wrong again> pkg search mod_dav_svn.so works.[00:02:05] *** CosmicDJ has quit IRC[00:02:05] *** [JT] has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** wonko2 has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** tomww_ has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** cwebber has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** eklof has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** ilaiho has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** kim0 has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** TBFOOL has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** anilg1 has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** arpunk has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** IvanR_ has quit IRC[00:02:06] <skullone> jbk: image-updated to 108 and iscsi works now[00:02:06] *** colyte_ has joined #opensolaris[00:02:07] *** stoxx has quit IRC[00:02:08] *** axisys has quit IRC[00:02:09] *** tomww has quit IRC[00:02:09] <_Lewellyn> jbk: i still say vietnam's the next outsourcing destination :)[00:02:09] <skullone> note to myself (and others), check the version of /dev to make sure you dont install incompatible packages[00:02:10] <skullone> maybe ill file an RFE, so packgages dont install on incompatible versions[00:02:10] *** tomj_ has joined #opensolaris[00:02:10] *** _Steve_ has quit IRC[00:02:11] *** noptrix has quit IRC[00:02:11] *** noptrix has joined #opensolaris[00:02:12] *** wonko has quit IRC[00:02:13] <bda> cfgadm -al[00:02:14] *** cypromis has quit IRC[00:02:14] <xanadu> seanmcg, thanks, i won't upgrade :)[00:02:15] *** Bartman007 has quit IRC[00:02:15] *** Bartman017 has joined #opensolaris[00:02:15] 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to shout and boss people around[00:03:06] <seanmcg> xanadu, upgrade the zpool or solaris ?[00:03:09] *** eryc has quit IRC[00:03:14] <jbk> which meant having people in the same (or nearly the same) time zone[00:03:24] <skullone> we are windows, freebsd, and now opensolaris only at this shop[00:03:33] <skullone> ive managed to keep all linux out[00:03:49] *** tomj_ has quit IRC[00:03:49] *** koan has quit IRC[00:03:49] *** FrostCS has quit IRC[00:03:49] *** tsoome has quit IRC[00:03:49] *** nofoo has quit IRC[00:03:49] *** Doc has quit IRC[00:03:49] *** simNIX has quit IRC[00:03:49] *** MyAzhax has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** sickness has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** pj0tr has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** rauz___ has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** sactodave has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** doug_out has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** bedlam has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** Teknix has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** charlieS has quit IRC[00:03:50] *** Tempt has quit 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up. i think china's the next big tech center. and vietnam's just one hour offset[00:05:17] *** colyte has quit IRC[00:05:25] <skullone> wheres the half dozen /notices from freenode about the split, now?[00:05:25] <skullone> heh[00:05:25] <bda> Heh.[00:05:37] <jbk> well one big thing i've seen w/ india is that getting good workers there outside of normal local business hours is almost impossible, regardless of how big you are[00:05:40] <_Lewellyn> i think outsourcing would have worked better for american companies if they chose someplace that was on a similar time zone[00:05:54] <jbk> well IBM was doing some stuff with brazil for that reason[00:05:57] <_Lewellyn> jbk: exactly. same in any country, pretty much.[00:06:09] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i recall that brazil worked decently for ibm.[00:06:20] *** axisys_ has quit IRC[00:06:24] <_Lewellyn> and didn't one of the db companies do mexico?[00:06:44] <skullone> at pacific power, we used WIPRO in india... ugh, such a terrible company[00:06:47] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[00:06:56] <skullone> we had to outsourced ibm mainframe admins[00:06:57] <jbk> it can be hit or miss[00:07:00] <_Lewellyn> heh. lots of people have used wipro :P[00:07:00] *** alain10 has quit IRC[00:07:11] <jbk> a previous employer used EDS who then had people in india[00:07:12] <skullone> and during an IPL, they managed to kill every job on the mainframe[00:07:15] <_Lewellyn> nice![00:07:19] *** djgregor has joined #opensolaris[00:07:23] <jbk> and in that case, they were terrible[00:07:31] <skullone> took -days- to get things running normally[00:07:48] <jbk> it was obvious they didn't have nearly the skillset they should have[00:07:53] <_Lewellyn> i seem to recall that UWIN kinda sucked when WIPRO was developing it[00:08:00] *** _Steve_ has joined #opensolaris[00:08:03] <skullone> and they left a terminal without that linefeed buffer turned off, and a single terminal used up the entire buffer somehow[00:08:23] <skullone> which is why we had standard profiles pushed out to all the terminals[00:08:27] * _Lewellyn is glad that UWIN is in-house at AT&T now[00:08:29] <skullone> which theyd always work around[00:08:39] <_Lewellyn> dave korn is very responsive on the mailing list :)[00:08:54] <jbk> i can only comment on those specific experiences, but i just think for what the traders are used to, if that guy does get his way, it will make for interesting discussions at the upper levels as the traders get upset and throw tantrums[00:09:09] <_Lewellyn> jbk: gonna be a fly on the wall?[00:09:18] <jbk> i'm not there anymore[00:09:22] <jbk> but heard this from people still there[00:09:29] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[00:09:43] <_Lewellyn> can't pick up a 1-day-onsite-per-week-for-4-hours gig? :)[00:09:48] <jbk> and just based on my experiences there[00:09:48] <skullone> WIPRO would take every friday off as well[00:09:59] <eviljames> alain10: videotron? yikes...[00:10:01] <skullone> call em up to reschedule a backup or something, no one would answer[00:10:02] <_Lewellyn> i want fridays off! oh, wait... i have em :D[00:10:04] <jbk> honestly, i'd not wnat to work for them again unless i absolutely had to[00:10:08] <jbk> well at least that area[00:10:17] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[00:10:27] <jbk> other parts, i'd consider it[00:11:56] <ry_laptop> when will they have "double linked" nodes[00:12:03] *** vipe has quit IRC[00:12:03] <ry_laptop> seems like irc is still overly sensitive[00:12:42] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: i hear efnet is pretty stable these days... i don't think it's a protocol-level issue[00:14:10] *** UnixOne has joined #opensolaris[00:14:27] <UnixOne> hi[00:15:04] *** bahumbug has joined #opensolaris[00:15:35] <UnixOne> Can somebody tell me details about the architecture of the opensolaris kernel? I'm interested if it is superior to *nix, OSX and Microsoft or more or less at the same stage.[00:15:39] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[00:16:09] <_Lewellyn> it is unix[00:16:13] <Stric> details like "is the unix version opensolaris better than *nix?" ?[00:16:22] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[00:16:26] <turtle> people don't take people who say "*nix" seriously unless under certian limited context[00:16:32] <turtle> and that wasn't it[00:16:33] <turtle> sry[00:16:49] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:17:09] <bda> Whereas sry is very confidence building.[00:17:18] <xRaich[o]2x> UnixOne: that really depends on what you consider superior[00:17:37] <xRaich[o]2x> i think mac os has some great stuff solaris hasn't and vice versa[00:17:47] <MACscr3> ok, so I "attached" 4 more sata drives to my opensolaris virtualbox guest. Now how do I mount them so I can manage them with zfs?[00:17:50] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[00:18:11] <Stric> MACscr3: run 'pfexec devfsadm -v'[00:19:34] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[00:19:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[00:19:59] <MACscr3> Stric: now what?[00:20:37] <Stric> MACscr3: did that say anything?[00:20:44] <Stric> (no, you don't need to paste it here)[00:20:45] <MACscr3> nope, it just ran[00:21:08] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[00:21:18] <Stric> maybe the sata framework in virtualbox isn't hotplug.. if that's what you did..[00:21:27] <Stric> does the disks show up in 'iostat -en' ?[00:21:35] <MACscr3> nope, I added them when it was shutdown, then booted it up[00:21:43] <Stric> or rather, 'iostat -En' for more details[00:22:23] <MACscr3> yes, they seem to be there[00:22:41] <Stric> then you're done[00:22:43] <MACscr3> sorry, this is the first time I've touched OS[00:23:06] <Stric> zpool create mypool raidz c1t0d0 c1t0d1 ....[00:23:22] <Stric> or whatever disk names turned up[00:23:33] *** TomJ has quit IRC[00:26:00] <ry_laptop> I think some oses install faster than solaris boots :)[00:26:43] <bda> Your tears will make it boot faster.[00:26:54] <bda> e^ipi wrote that RFE.[00:27:00] <ry_laptop> lol[00:27:03] <MACscr3> Stric: wow, that was easy. Within 5 seconds, I turned 4 5gb drives into a single 20gb[00:27:04] <ry_laptop> that is awesome.[00:27:31] <skullone> alright, lets see how microsoft DPM likes opensolaris iscsi...[00:27:34] <ry_laptop> hrm, lew was right, X is broken on 108[00:27:52] <CosmicDJ> awesome failure if one disk breaks ;)[00:27:53] <skullone> ry_laptop: yah, i posted to osol-discuss the other day about 108 X also[00:28:00] <ry_laptop> *nod*[00:28:04] <ry_laptop> good thing I don't need X :0[00:28:05] <ry_laptop> er :)[00:28:14] <skullone> havent found a fix, so on that box i just went back to 106[00:28:21] <ry_laptop> *ond*[00:28:29] *** luizxx has quit IRC[00:28:31] <ry_laptop> Glad solaris has zfs root now, makes things a lot more simplistic.[00:28:35] <skullone> though, 108 from genunix works fine, just seems to be image-update that doesnt work[00:28:45] <ry_laptop> *nod* I see.[00:29:00] <ry_laptop> I use 3 disks for rpool.[00:29:12] <ry_laptop> so I guess I could break that mirror and make a new bootable root to test new images out from iso[00:29:16] <alanc> I posted about X in 108 too![00:29:52] * seanmcg wishes he had a euro every time alanc was asked about X in b108...[00:30:02] <ry_laptop> Heh[00:30:10] <ry_laptop> first post![00:30:14] <MACscr3> what's a quick and easy way to test drive speed with opensolaris? normally I would just do hdparm -t /dev/hda in linux[00:30:44] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: xorg is fine for me on 108[00:30:56] <alanc> seanmcg: gotta include 107 too, for all the "why can't I do GUI installs in Nevada" questions... ('cuz the install gui's broken, use the command line like a real Unix user')[00:30:58] <ry_laptop> *nod* it worked for the first boot[00:31:02] <ry_laptop> but I just rebooted and it broke[00:31:20] <seanmcg> alanc, I'm not that greedy :)[00:31:27] <_Lewellyn> alanc: why not just get rid of the gui installer? ;)[00:31:50] <_Lewellyn> my biggest beef about 108 is that suspend no longer works "right"[00:31:56] <_Lewellyn> sure, my machine suspends to ram, but X dies :([00:32:10] <seanmcg> _Lewellyn, there is the AI - it doesn't use the gui.. (caiman project)[00:32:17] *** tfb|away is now known as tfb[00:32:21] <alanc> _Lewellyn: we're getting rid of all the Nevada installers, not just the gui one, but we haven't gotten there yet[00:32:27] *** paul has quit IRC[00:32:43] *** tfb has quit IRC[00:32:50] <benley> alanc: replacing them with what?[00:32:50] <_Lewellyn> alanc: the nevada installer is essentially the long-in-the-tooth solaris installer, right?[00:33:03] <alanc> OpenSolaris LiveCD GUI install works fine - it's just the Nevada miniroot that's busted (think we've tracked it down to the miniroot being too mini and missing libraries)[00:33:29] <alanc> benley: the Caiman installers (OpenSolaris LiveCD, Automated Install, etc.)[00:33:45] <benley> ah ok, so the modern installer is getting grafted onto sxce?[00:33:48] *** purserj has quit IRC[00:33:57] <alanc> _Lewellyn: yes, the install GUI carried forward from S10[00:34:03] <_Lewellyn> alanc: and by "get rid of the gui installer", i mean give the user a "real" text-based installer :)[00:34:16] <alanc> benley: no, SXCE is going to be replaced by OpenSolaris CD's at some point[00:34:18] <seanmcg> benley, more like sxce is being grafted towards osol[00:34:21] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[00:34:34] *** Gman has quit IRC[00:34:35] *** sipior has quit IRC[00:34:39] <_Lewellyn> alanc: does that installer carry back to solaris 7? it hasn't changed visibly in at least that long...[00:34:52] <_Lewellyn> (i don't want to remember installing 2.5.x and 2.6 on x86, thanks...)[00:34:55] *** alain10 has quit IRC[00:34:58] *** mrkodiak has left #opensolaris[00:34:58] *** luizxx has joined #opensolaris[00:35:16] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[00:35:19] <_Lewellyn> (i don't remember if 2.6 ran on x86, so don't flame me if that was the skipped version)[00:35:29] <seanmcg> _Lewellyn, check out the caiman project - text based install - over network.[00:35:45] <_Lewellyn> seanmcg: when it ends up in sxce, i will :)[00:35:54] *** eryc_ is now known as eryc[00:36:36] <seanmcg> _Lewellyn, what alanc said, so you won't see it in sxce.[00:36:39] <alanc> _Lewellyn: I thought Solaris 7 still used the motif gui, while current SXCE has the java gui - but it's been so long since I've done a gui install (other than via opensolaris livecd) that I don't really remember[00:36:50] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris[00:37:02] <_Lewellyn> alanc: i think i've done fewer than a half dozen gui installs on x86[00:37:20] <alanc> or you'll see it in SXCE when we simply start stamping the SXCE label on the OpenSolaris livecd biweekly builds[00:37:28] <_Lewellyn> it started off due to solaris/x86 having a relatively short HCL, then became habit[00:37:52] <_Lewellyn> alanc: hm. so the plan is for userland to change to be more gnuish in solaris? :([00:37:58] <seanmcg> mind you theres still thinking on howto do (if ever) a text based interactive install with the caiman project I think.[00:38:13] <ry_laptop> sweet, my 4 gigs of memory have arrived for my laptop[00:38:14] * _Lewellyn likes having /usr/sfw hidden away a lot of the time[00:38:46] <alanc> anyone who can tell the difference knows enough Unix to setenv PATH[00:39:16] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[00:39:20] *** aveteam has quit IRC[00:39:56] <_Lewellyn> alanc: :P[00:39:57] <alanc> but yes, the plan is mostly for the next Solaris release to be basically a "long term support"/"enterprise" build of one of the OpenSolaris 20xx.yy releases[00:40:10] <alanc> exact details still TBD[00:40:25] <_Lewellyn> alanc: where should i look to see if there are known bugs regarding suspend on 107/108?[00:40:25] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[00:40:42] <_Lewellyn> it worked like a charm with 106, and i suspect the new xorg broke it[00:41:03] <ry_laptop> fuck[00:41:05] <ry_laptop> I have to take a piss.[00:41:06] <_Lewellyn> not 100% sure where to see what's up and i don't have the spare time to keep suspending and resuming[00:41:08] <ry_laptop> which means leaving my office.[00:41:13] <ry_laptop> which means, someone will grab me in the hallway[00:41:22] <ry_laptop> and it won't be until 30 minutes later that I can get back to work.[00:41:24] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: put on your cloak of invisibility[00:41:26] * ry_laptop looks for bottle.[00:41:29] <bda> Pee on the first person who grabs you as a lesson to the others.[00:41:31] *** Odin- has quit IRC[00:41:47] <alanc> _Lewellyn: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/ http://defect.opensolaris.org/ and the mailing lists/forums for the laptop & power management communities[00:41:47] * _Lewellyn debates grabbing a url to something funny and appropriate[00:41:53] * ry_laptop attemps round trip.[00:41:55] <_Lewellyn> alanc: thanks :)[00:42:14] <alanc> I know I had mail about one bug from bugzilla this morning...let's see if I still have the URL[00:43:26] *** cemerick has quit IRC[00:44:17] <alanc> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=6927 Xorg (Intel 945GM) aborts on resume from S3 suspend[00:45:38] *** UnixOne has left #opensolaris[00:45:52] <_Lewellyn> that sure sounds like my issue[00:47:19] <_Lewellyn> alanc: thanks :)[00:47:48] *** xanadu has quit IRC[00:53:06] *** ericjray has quit IRC[00:57:05] <MACscr3> did the opensolaris.org site just go down?[00:57:42] <ry_laptop> hope crossbow gets completed soon[00:57:47] <e^ipi> this would somehow surprise you[00:57:57] <e^ipi> ry_laptop: your wish is granted. poof, it integrated 3 builds ago[00:58:06] <jamesd_> crossbow went back in b106.[00:58:10] <ry_laptop> wtf[00:58:13] <ry_laptop> was about to check :)[00:58:22] <e^ipi> jamesd: 105[00:58:27] <ry_laptop> e^ipi, you are my new god[00:58:29] <jamesd_> oops my bad.[00:58:36] <e^ipi> ry_laptop: i demand money.[00:58:42] * ry_laptop has pocket lint.[00:58:58] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[00:59:07] <jamesd_> hmm ry_laptop wants to be smited by the hand of god.[00:59:10] *** starkmjolk has quit IRC[00:59:13] <ry_laptop> O_o :([00:59:32] <e^ipi> tithe 8% of your income[00:59:38] <e^ipi> ( that's less than the catholics )[00:59:58] <e^ipi> worshipping me is a bargain compared to some other gods[00:59:59] <ry_laptop> ouch[01:01:01] <ry_laptop> well crap[01:01:17] <ry_laptop> on the project crossbow community page, there is an example of setting up a zone with a crossbow vnic.[01:01:22] <ry_laptop> wish I had looked at this yesterday[01:01:22] <jamesd_> those earning less than 8 cents a day are advised to round up to the next penny.[01:02:01] <ry_laptop> create-vnic.. there it is. jesus[01:02:20] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[01:03:24] *** starkmjolk has joined #opensolaris[01:03:32] <e^ipi> i wonder if tithing works like paying taxes[01:03:37] <e^ipi> are there deductions ?[01:03:47] *** pfn has joined #opensolaris[01:03:48] <ry_laptop> I'll have to figure out ipmp on zones later... it's enough to have a zone assigned toa vnic.[01:04:08] <MACscr3> can I do something like raid 10 with zfs? would I just create two pools and mirror them? is that possible?[01:04:18] *** Tpenta has quit IRC[01:04:23] <e^ipi> MACscr3: you would create one pool, and mirror it[01:04:25] <ry_laptop> raid-dp-1?[01:04:29] <pfn> hmm, is there a "hardware compatibility list" anywhere handy?[01:04:32] * ry_laptop tries his luck :)[01:04:41] <e^ipi> zpool add does striping. zpool attach does mirroring[01:04:43] <jamesd_> its zpool poolname mirror driv1 drive2 mirror drive 3 drive 4 hotspare drive5[01:04:49] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[01:04:57] <e^ipi> what jamesd said[01:04:58] <gray--> MACscr3: create a pool, add to the pool, then for each device, do an attach[01:05:07] <pfn> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4483696&CatId=4149[01:05:07] <e^ipi> gray--: or do it the right way[01:05:13] <pfn> I want to get that and run xvm[01:05:22] <gray--> e^ipi: works for me[01:05:28] <pfn> solaris on the host and linux+asterisk in a guest[01:05:48] <e^ipi> why not run asterisk on solaris?[01:05:48] <nachox> solaris can run asterisk[01:06:01] <pfn> e^ipi, because there's no zaptel/dahdi in solaris[01:06:04] <e^ipi> last time i saw a benchmark it could handle 3x the number of calls that linux could[01:06:17] <jamesd_> solaris's xvm/xen does not support pci passthrouh so asteric may not run as expected.[01:06:34] <pfn> jamesd_, yeah, I understand that, although I do hear that pci-passthrough is a work-in-progress[01:06:50] <gray--> i do have a zfs related question.... as zfs seems to put a *lot* of stuff into ram, how do you find out how much ram you really have available withouth the zfs cache?[01:07:04] <pfn> jamesd_, http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=86543&tstart=0[01:07:14] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[01:07:17] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: too bad vnics apparently don't work with wifi :([01:07:19] <jamesd_> gray--: solaris will move stuff out of ram to make room for your application..[01:07:21] <_Lewellyn> i ended up natting my zones :P[01:07:42] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: my zones live on a private "network"[01:07:51] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: as do mine now. a whole /24[01:08:00] <e^ipi> they communicate as fast as the CPU & ram can keep up with it[01:08:04] <gray--> jamesd_: v similar to linuxes, but if i'd like to know how much my applications are taking up, how would i find out?[01:08:08] <jamesd_> pfn: yeah i heard as much.. but as with any non enterprise needed feature, they tend to make slow progress[01:08:35] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: life would be easier for me, however if they were on the same network and got their own dhcp leases from wherever i'm plugged into :P[01:08:57] <e^ipi> you can't create vnics hanging off your real nic that work with dhcp?[01:09:00] <pfn> jamesd_, yeah, I'm not in a super-rush, either... it's a configuration I'd really like to run[01:09:14] <pfn> jamesd_, when it happens, I'll buy a box similar to what I pasted[01:09:14] <jamesd_> gray--: kstat's .. check out http://uadmin.blogspot.com latest entry[01:09:16] <nachox> gray--, that is a very difficult question to answer because of dynamically linked libraries[01:09:32] <gray--> jamesd_: cheers, will have a read[01:09:39] <gray--> nachox: can you explain some more?[01:09:54] <jamesd_> especailly the link to ben's rockwood's arc script.[01:10:06] <ry_laptop> hrm, vnic over bonded interfaces is abit weird.[01:10:07] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: not with wifi, apparently.[01:10:13] <nachox> i think there was a good explanation in solaris internals, i dont remember all of it and i will only confuse you[01:10:16] <ry_laptop> you cann ame it whatever, but it has to end in a number[01:10:17] <e^ipi> interesting[01:10:19] <pfn> jamesd_, back to compatibility lists, are there any?[01:10:36] <gray--> jamesd_: i have a t5240 with 32gb of ram, and it says 4gb left... :)[01:10:46] <gray--> even though the box isn't working hard[01:10:56] <e^ipi> pfn: they're at http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/[01:11:02] <jamesd_> gray--: that is because arc can take up to 7/8th of ram.. thus your 4GB is by design[01:11:18] <gray--> jamesd_: aha, that's very interesting actually[01:11:22] <gray--> arc?[01:11:29] <e^ipi> adaptive replacement cache[01:11:30] <seanmcg> pfn theres the HCL off the bigadmin pages www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl[01:11:31] <nachox> a zfs thing[01:11:42] <pfn> seanmcg, thanks[01:12:17] <gray--> great, thanks[01:12:24] <nachox> e^ipi, i'm surprised you were not nominated for an ogb place, i would if i had a vote[01:12:33] <jamesd_> gray--: check out fsstat zfs its a cool new util to show just how much work your filesystems are doing[01:13:06] <e^ipi> between work & school i have almost no time for extra stuff like OGB, so i'm not terribly torn up about it[01:13:10] <e^ipi> but thanks for the vote of confidence[01:13:14] <e^ipi> :)[01:13:30] <seanmcg> arc == adaptive replacement cache, see http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide[01:13:45] <nachox> you'd accept?[01:14:05] <gray--> jamesd_, nachox, e^ipi , thanks, i'll get some reading done[01:14:27] <e^ipi> nachox: i dunno, i'd have to think about it actually[01:15:02] <jamesd_> gray--: there is also a link further down ben rockwood's segment at the storage summit that you may find interesting[01:15:06] <jsoft> ERm.[01:15:21] <jsoft> I installed opensolaris on the second partition of a hdd.[01:15:33] <nachox> i'd also love to see dr. hahn but he has not been nominated yet[01:16:19] <jsoft> Then I thought, meh, I might as well make use of the first partition as well. So I used format/fdisk to make the first partition a solaris2 partition. Now, I get a grub pompt with no menu, just a > prompt.[01:16:19] <nachox> i also have the feeling that he'd rather code than attending an ogb meeting[01:16:24] <jsoft> Any ideas how to restore ?[01:16:45] <e^ipi> nachox: can you blame him?[01:17:35] <ry_laptop> my next job... I'm not going to be on call.[01:17:38] <ry_laptop> F this.[01:17:52] <e^ipi> ry_laptop: if you're on call just demand a lot more[01:17:57] <ry_laptop> Yeah.[01:18:00] *** vncsnvs has joined #opensolaris[01:18:04] <seanmcg> jsoft, boot off the livecd again, google for use of installgrub to point grub back onto the disk etc.[01:18:10] <ry_laptop> good advice.[01:18:12] *** vncsnvs has quit IRC[01:18:37] <nachox> e^ipi, no, I can't... but i still would love to see him there, i like the way he thinks[01:20:37] <jsoft> Ok thanks.[01:20:57] <trichobezoar> Hmm i've apparently created a user that cannot execute cronjobs. How strange[01:21:00] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: whatever you do, don't give out your direct line :)[01:21:10] <ry_laptop> Heh nope.[01:21:14] <ry_laptop> I use grand central[01:21:22] <_Lewellyn> likewise :)[01:21:26] <_Lewellyn> i got a pretty good number, too[01:21:28] <ry_laptop> :)[01:21:32] <jamesd_> trichobezoar: you may need to add them to the cron.allow file[01:21:37] <_Lewellyn> i wish they'd allow real sip forwarding though :([01:22:08] <_Lewellyn> dude. wtf with all the email the past 5 mins. i KNOW the server's down. i'm rsyncing stuff to the new server and have a maintenance page up. wtf.[01:22:18] * _Lewellyn hates moving "live" databases during the workday[01:22:28] <jamesd_> trichobezoar: man crontab[01:23:01] <trichobezoar> I guess solaris.jobs.user authorization... or those files[01:23:05] <trichobezoar> thanks jamesd[01:24:35] <nachox> _Lewellyn, oracle?[01:24:44] <_Lewellyn> mysql :([01:24:52] <nachox> you suck :P[01:24:57] <_Lewellyn> not my baby[01:24:58] <kmays> Peeks out of cubbyhole for SXCE b109...looks around...[01:26:17] <[JT]> Ack. Configured networking via network/physical:default. Trying to set a static IPv6 address. Set hostname6.xnf0 to "opensolaris" and created a /etc/hosts entry that said "<ipv6 address> opensolaris". Tried restarting network/physical:default and it gives me a "Failed to configure IPv6 interface: xnf0" on the console. Anyone know what I'm missing?[01:26:59] *** yoursdai has joined #opensolaris[01:27:02] <[JT]> Works fine when acquiring a dynamic address from radvd, but I'd like to have it set more predictably.[01:27:15] <yoursdai> Hi,does anyone know how to set datadigest for iscsi initiator with SUNWiscsi?The command can set datadigest for initiator-node and also for target-param.Which should I set for datadigest?[01:27:49] <trichobezoar> so the man page says if neither file exists (which neither do) only a user with solaris.jobs.user auth can submit a job. 'auths' says i have solaris.jobs.user along with the default... but still tells me im not allowed[01:28:08] <nachox> i wonder when zfs-crypto will get in ON[01:29:22] <trichobezoar> I lied. cron.deny exists[01:29:29] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[01:29:36] *** comay has quit IRC[01:29:47] <MACscr3> is ther some sort of web gui for zfs? I keep seeing it in screenshots, etc[01:30:38] <trichobezoar> I guess roles=root implies that cron can be edited, and apart from that, there must be an entry in cron.allow? There has to be another entry that works in user_attr...[01:30:53] *** ShanghaiScott has joined #opensolaris[01:31:33] <jamesd_> trichobezoar: and an entry to cron.allow and it should work[01:31:44] *** phips has quit IRC[01:32:28] <nachox> macros73, there is one in solaris 10, but it was eoled i think[01:35:01] *** pcgod_ has joined #opensolaris[01:35:01] *** pcgod has quit IRC[01:35:09] *** gray-- has quit IRC[01:35:13] *** pcgod_ is now known as pcgod[01:35:31] *** wonko2 has quit IRC[01:35:37] *** eryc has quit IRC[01:35:42] *** eryc has joined #opensolaris[01:35:42] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[01:35:49] *** wonko has joined #opensolaris[01:35:50] *** fallenhi1okiri has joined #opensolaris[01:36:03] *** fkr_ has joined #opensolaris[01:36:03] *** weirdmf_ has joined #opensolaris[01:36:07] *** janil has joined #opensolaris[01:36:35] *** janil is now known as Guest87651[01:36:53] *** kim0 has quit IRC[01:36:59] <trichobezoar> jamesd_: Ok. I put it in /etc/cron.d/cron.allow - $user\n. It's not in cron.deny... crontab -l svn still tells me svn cannot execute cronjobs. truss shows that it read cron.allow... hmm[01:37:52] *** PicCard has quit IRC[01:38:36] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[01:39:05] *** lesterc_ has joined #opensolaris[01:39:26] *** lesterc has quit IRC[01:39:40] <jamesd_> trichobezoar: is cron enabled? b[01:39:59] *** pcgod_ has joined #opensolaris[01:40:13] <trichobezoar> yes. online svc:/system/cron:default[01:40:18] <jamesd_> svcs -a | grep cron[01:40:36] <trichobezoar> the user opensolaris created works fine regarding crons, as does root. just not this useradd user[01:40:40] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[01:40:48] *** vicmacke1 has joined #opensolaris[01:41:01] <nachox> the user created by opensolaris is basically root[01:41:29] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[01:43:09] <trichobezoar> the source code says it's a pam error... if (pam_error != PAM_SUCCESS) ...[01:44:00] *** phips has joined #opensolaris[01:46:10] *** fallenhitokiri has quit IRC[01:46:38] <lblume> Is the user locked or disabled in some way, expired for example?[01:46:55] *** janil_ has quit IRC[01:47:21] *** weirdmf has quit IRC[01:47:28] <trichobezoar> Looks like I forgot to passwd it. Burn.[01:48:05] <trichobezoar> Sorry. Thanks. :-D[01:48:10] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[01:48:16] *** wdp__ has joined #opensolaris[01:48:23] <nachox> hehe[01:48:27] *** fkr has quit IRC[01:48:29] <ry_laptop> hrmmm....[01:48:35] *** homeboy has quit IRC[01:48:36] <ry_laptop> no C compiler installed by default with opensolaris?[01:48:39] <lblume> You're welcome :-)[01:48:43] <nachox> yes, there is gcc[01:48:50] <ry_laptop> opt?[01:48:55] <e^ipi> and studio , which is better[01:48:59] <e^ipi> 'pkg install ss-dev'[01:49:01] <ry_laptop> ahhh sfw :)[01:49:07] <jamesd_> ry_laptop: gcc is at /usr/sfw/bin ... sun studio (proffesional c/c++ compiler) is avail from sun.com[01:49:08] <ry_laptop> I install EVERYTHIN by default. :)[01:49:12] *** tamr has quit IRC[01:49:13] <nachox> /usr/bin/gcc[01:49:27] <nachox> jamesd, that is in sxcd i think[01:49:28] <ry_laptop> sun studio has a real debugger huh?[01:49:31] <nachox> yes[01:49:34] <nachox> dbx[01:49:34] <ry_laptop> nice :)[01:49:41] * ry_laptop happy[01:50:09] <jamesd_> nachox: how nice of them to break backward compatility ;-)[01:51:03] *** dunc has quit IRC[01:51:13] <alanc> no break, /usr/sfw/bin path still works too 8-)[01:51:23] <jamesd_> :-)[01:51:33] *** pcgod has quit IRC[01:51:34] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris[01:51:34] *** pcgod_ is now known as pcgod[01:51:35] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris[01:51:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman[01:51:38] *** vicmackey has quit IRC[01:52:02] *** homeboy has joined #opensolaris[01:52:04] <nachox> jamesd, they changed the default password algorithm to a SHA256 based algorithm. (5 in policy.conf)[01:52:12] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[01:52:14] <_Lewellyn> jamesd_: it only lives in sfw for sxce (at least for now), if you're that concerned ;)[01:52:34] <_Lewellyn> alanc: is /usr/sfw/bin a link to /usr/bin now?[01:52:50] <ry_laptop> /usr/ucb/cc is the sun compiler or you ahve to install that seperatly?[01:52:55] <ry_laptop> wait[01:52:55] <nachox> and are binary paths part of an interface?[01:52:57] <ry_laptop> I'll find out later[01:52:59] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: i think solaris 10 shipped with /usr/sfw for a while as well.[01:53:02] <ry_laptop> zabbix probably just needs gcc[01:53:04] <flyingparchment> ry_laptop: /usr/ucb/cc is obsolete and should never be used[01:53:08] <_Lewellyn> jamesd_: it does[01:53:08] <ry_laptop> heh okay[01:53:16] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[01:53:19] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: forget about /usr/ucb/cc. let it die in peace[01:53:22] <nachox> ry_laptop, /usr/ucb/cc is just a shell script, not a compiler[01:53:34] <alanc> _Lewellyn: no, but it's filled with links to files in /usr/bin or /usr/gnu/bin[01:53:39] <flyingparchment> ry_laptop: that applies to everything in /usr/ucb, btw.[01:53:42] <ry_laptop> Heh nice[01:53:54] <ry_laptop> looks for other compilers.[01:54:03] <ry_laptop> Thanks[01:54:06] <_Lewellyn> alanc: ah. that's kinda scary to think about :)[01:54:09] <ry_laptop> Heh[01:54:21] *** webmink has quit IRC[01:54:30] <_Lewellyn> i don't envy whoever had to sit there and make links all day :)[01:54:45] <alanc> the only thing /usr/ucb/cc does is print out confusing errors - it doesn't actually work any more (it used to be a wrapper around /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc to compile with SunOS 4 compatibility flags, but that support was dropped a few Sun Studio releases ago)[01:54:56] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: there is this cool thing called scripting that makes it all easy[01:55:07] <_Lewellyn> jamesd_: you still have to sort which binary went where ;)[01:55:23] <flyingparchment> _Lewellyn: if only there was a way to test if a binary exists in a shell script...[01:55:38] <alanc> it was mostly done one package at a time, as each one moved out of /usr/sfw, so the work was spread across all the package maintainers across months, not one person all at once[01:55:38] <nachox> er... isnt there?[01:55:48] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: i know, right? ;)[01:56:13] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: even better if you could test if it were executable, too! ;)[01:57:10] *** esok has left #opensolaris[01:57:15] <flyingparchment> hmm.. if you install S10 on a 57600 bps serial console, it doesn't save ttyb-mode in eeprom properly[01:57:19] <nachox> ohh, i hate sarcarm over irc...[01:58:12] * trichobezoar agrees with nachox[01:58:53] <CIA-40> Enrico Perla - Sun Microsystems <Enrico.Perla at Sun dot COM>: 6807370 bootadm emits wrong WARNING messages about ELF endianess, 6807358 bootadm smf check for archive consistency always returns success, 6807389 bootadm can be tricked into executing user-controlled scripts, 6810050 System does not come back after reboot-d, 6809266 bootadm calls mkisofs with an empty path-list on sparc if filestat.ramdisk is missing[01:59:12] <jamesd_> hates spending 8 hours just testing 2 lines of script... that runs in 1/2 an hour, and creates 250k of output... but eh it pays well[01:59:37] <ry_laptop> lol[01:59:41] <nachox> jamesd_, you should see some of my sed commands :P[01:59:54] <ry_laptop> oops, 5 pm, time to stop working, like all his cow-workers do[01:59:55] * flyingparchment ponders putting a ufs filesystem on a zvol in order to get grace quotas[02:00:09] * ry_laptop done shouldering work.[02:00:28] <nachox> flyingparchment, smells like a hack :)[02:02:06] <jsoft> Ive set up opensolaris (live)'s network. Its not resolving.[02:02:15] <jsoft> How do I smack it about the head to wake it up?[02:02:24] <jsoft> nsswitch.conf is from nsswitch.dns[02:02:32] <jsoft> theres a valid nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf[02:02:36] <jsoft> but its just being a bitch.[02:03:10] <flyingparchment> nachox: a little bit. but then, so is zfs's quota support ;)[02:04:09] <nachox> you mean you dont like filesystem reservations based quotas? :)[02:04:30] <jamesd_> ping 74.125.45.100[02:04:36] <jamesd_> jsoft: ^^[02:04:46] <flyingparchment> nachox: if it supported grace quotas..[02:05:01] <sickness> jamesd_: 74.125.45.100 is alive[02:05:35] <jamesd_> sickness: yes i know that google is up... the question is can jsoft get to it[02:05:48] <nachox> hahaha[02:07:27] <MACscr3> anyone know of any blogs or whitepapers concerning using opensolaris/zfs for an iscsi "SAN" ?[02:07:40] <sickness> I didn't know that was a google address :)[02:08:26] <jamesd_> MACscr3: checkout.. sun new opensource storage server 7000 series.. should have some good white papers, and also anything related to the x4500[02:10:43] <MACscr3> series?[02:12:31] <Andys^> MACscr3: it works wonderfully for me, except that opensolaris 2008.11 iscsi target is not compatible with vmware ESXi[02:12:42] <Andys^> MACscr3: but NFS works really well too so thats a non-issue[02:13:04] <ry_laptop> hoem[02:13:13] <MACscr3> Andys^: well, I was planning on using it with centos/xen hosts[02:13:18] *** ry_laptop has quit IRC[02:13:27] <MACscr3> to store the xen domu's[02:15:00] <Andys^> right. should work pretty damn well then[02:15:27] <MACscr3> hmm, maybe I should use bsd. Didn't think that my support staff really doesn't know solaris =/[02:15:33] <e^ipi> MACscr3: any reason you don't want to use zvols ?[02:15:43] <MACscr3> zvols?[02:15:46] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[02:15:56] <e^ipi> MACscr3: ie, do you plan on your storage host being a different machine than your xen host[02:16:16] <e^ipi> MACscr3: a regular zfs volume that has a dev node[02:16:24] <e^ipi> zfs as a block device[02:16:26] <MACscr3> yes, the xen host won't store any of the xen data[02:16:35] <e^ipi> makes sense[02:16:52] <MACscr3> currently im using a md3000i, but I has to many limitations[02:16:56] <MACscr3> and this is for a different site[02:17:22] <e^ipi> MACscr3: http://www.sun.com/storage/disk_systems/unified_storage/[02:17:28] <MACscr3> seems like I could just use a jbod controller and save a lot by not having to get an xpensive raid controller[02:17:30] <e^ipi> 7000 series[02:17:36] <MACscr3> er, jbod with zfs[02:18:24] *** abisen has quit IRC[02:18:24] <e^ipi> or, yes... an md1000 hanging off a t1000 or something[02:18:45] <Andys^> MACscr3: well its all free, you can d/l opensolaris and test it out if you have an hour or two spare[02:18:51] <MACscr3> id rather use commodity parts and save a few grands[02:19:08] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[02:19:10] <MACscr3> yeah, I have opensolaris running in a virtualbox container right now[02:19:14] *** qiyong has joined #opensolaris[02:19:14] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[02:19:51] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[02:21:25] *** yoursdai has quit IRC[02:21:26] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[02:22:24] *** bahumbug has quit IRC[02:22:42] <e^ipi> MACscr3: so play around with it... create a pool, share a zvol over iscsi, etc[02:23:22] <MACscr3> e^ipi: so I can use zfs on the opensolaris for the pool, but then have it appear as a block device to my xen hosts through iscsi?[02:23:28] <jamesd_> of course ZFS does best on bare metal and lots of ram 2GB is a good minimum to start[02:23:38] <e^ipi> MACscr3: yes[02:23:44] <MACscr3> ah, perfect[02:23:57] <e^ipi> create a volume with reservation (-V) and set shareiscsi=on[02:24:21] <e^ipi> i use iscsi for a time machine backup for my mac[02:24:29] <MACscr3> cool[02:24:32] <e^ipi> works reasonably well[02:24:53] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[02:25:00] *** barts is now known as purveyor[02:25:06] *** purveyor is now known as barts[02:25:18] *** tomj_ is now known as TomJ[02:27:49] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[02:28:01] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[02:29:52] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[02:30:13] *** sahX has quit IRC[02:30:18] <_Lewellyn> nachox: you said you're using opera on opensolaris?[02:30:28] *** jklyekai_ has joined #opensolaris[02:30:35] *** LordIllpalazoThe has quit IRC[02:30:51] <nachox> yes, i am[02:31:10] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[02:31:10] <_Lewellyn> which version? 9.63 or 10.0alpha?[02:31:25] *** jklyekai_ has quit IRC[02:31:56] *** jklyekai_ has joined #opensolaris[02:31:57] <nachox> 9.63[02:32:09] <_Lewellyn> also, how do i disable the login greeter in sxce? i was under the impression that "svcadm disable gdm" would do it[02:32:30] <_Lewellyn> nachox: mmk. good to know. 10.0alpha dumps core :P[02:32:30] *** jklyekai_ has quit IRC[02:32:37] <nachox> haha[02:32:51] <nachox> i downloaded the statically compiled version bte[02:32:54] <nachox> *btw[02:33:00] <_Lewellyn> that's all they have for 10 :)[02:33:06] *** jklyekai_ has joined #opensolaris[02:33:15] <_Lewellyn> 3 pkg downloads and 3 tar downloads[02:34:14] <_Lewellyn> wow. they cut the number of downloads in half by removing shared qt. sweetness.[02:35:23] * _Lewellyn wonders if they really even need gz downloads, anyhow. Z and bz2 should cover the gamut of solaris installs...[02:36:23] *** cwebber has quit IRC[02:37:02] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[02:38:06] *** cwebber has quit IRC[02:38:28] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[02:40:22] * _Lewellyn waits for the world's slowest download to complete[02:49:32] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[02:50:48] *** bubbva has quit IRC[02:50:53] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[02:51:34] *** jamesd has quit IRC[02:52:33] *** authentic has quit IRC[02:52:44] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[02:55:39] <nachox> _Lewellyn, so? still not working?[02:56:59] <_Lewellyn> nachox: download just finished :([02:57:17] <_Lewellyn> i said "world's slowest download"[02:57:45] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: did you get your vnics going in the end?[02:57:51] *** alfism has quit IRC[02:58:56] <CIA-40> chenlu chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Chenlu.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6722547 igb interface does not work if it is plumbed after the module is loaded, 6804491 Intel Kawela support for pci8086,10e7 to be added to /etc/driver_aliases, 6807784 igb loopback support for intel 82576 chip (kawela)[02:58:57] <CIA-40> Dai Ngo <dai.ngo at sun dot com>: 6678463 ever-increasing number of BOUND sockets not tied to process fds[02:58:58] <CIA-40> Michael Lim <Michael.Lim at Sun dot COM>: 6809684 dladm create-vnic accepts invalid VLAN ID, 6797209 Coredump when calling "dladm set-linkprop -p autopush" with 9 modules., 6800512 on sparc, the field "%Util" of dladm show-link -S always equals 0 although the traffic is very heavy[02:59:11] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: no :([02:59:11] <_Lewellyn> i NATted :P[02:59:11] <_Lewellyn> i don't have the zone auto-booting yet, so i don't know if that works.[02:59:13] <_Lewellyn> nice...[02:59:15] <_Lewellyn> /usr/local/bin/opera: /usr/local/lib/opera/9.63/opera: cannot execute[02:59:19] <_Lewellyn> it gave me the sparc version :D[02:59:41] *** ikarius has quit IRC[02:59:58] <nachox> hahaha[03:00:45] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[03:02:39] <e^ipi> solution: buy a sparc[03:02:44] <e^ipi> buy several[03:02:58] <e^ipi> the stock price is still under $5/share, buy as much as you can afford, and then double it[03:03:02] <e^ipi> ;)[03:03:02] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i have several. i need more :)[03:03:11] * _Lewellyn is taking donations on a T2000[03:03:30] <_Lewellyn> i can consolidate all my servers into zones then :D[03:03:45] <_Lewellyn> too bad it'd cost more on electricity :([03:08:26] *** gaveen has quit IRC[03:11:09] <e^ipi> in .ca.us for a while PG&E was giving rebates for people who buy niagra machines[03:11:40] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[03:12:01] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[03:13:56] <_Lewellyn> they still are[03:14:10] <_Lewellyn> that doesn't reduce my monthly power bill, however :)[03:14:11] <e^ipi> neat[03:14:13] <nachox> the good news is that for sun is that stock owners are too busy selling their citygroup shares these days to care about JAVA :P[03:15:04] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris[03:18:54] *** axisys_ has joined #opensolaris[03:19:03] <e^ipi> \o/[03:19:16] *** axisys has quit IRC[03:19:34] <_Lewellyn> nachox: opera: X Shared memory extension is not available. ZPixmap not supported[03:19:39] <_Lewellyn> you get that too, at launch?[03:20:07] <nachox> i'm not sure, never used it from the cli :P let me check[03:20:30] <nachox> i do[03:20:35] <_Lewellyn> heh. i haven't figured out how to add widgets to the "start" menu[03:20:45] * _Lewellyn is still a cde user, deep inside[03:21:18] <nachox> i didnt do that either, i just created a launcher and added it to both the desktop and the nasty panel near firefox[03:22:27] <_Lewellyn> oh hey. that's how you add new items![03:22:47] <nachox> ?[03:23:12] <flyingparchment> the excessive complexity of adding new items to the main was the main reason i dislike cde[03:23:29] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: it's just a couple files under ~/.dt :)[03:24:31] <_Lewellyn> nachox: right click the java cup (or whatever "regular" opensolaris has instead) and choose "Edit Menu". how obvious is that, that i didn't try before? :)[03:24:47] *** jfisc has quit IRC[03:25:00] <_Lewellyn> i still want to change the root items on that menu. but i guess that's later...[03:25:13] * _Lewellyn wants a terminal there, at the least[03:25:20] <nachox> ohh. windows like[03:25:48] <nachox> _Lewellyn, some bubbles without any meaning[03:25:58] <nachox> i think i like the cup better :)[03:26:23] <_Lewellyn> even though (*ssh* don't tell anyone!) the desktop isn't actually written in java ;)[03:26:52] <nachox> well, but it was jds as java dislikes speed[03:26:59] <_Lewellyn> heh[03:28:16] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[03:28:39] <nachox> CIFS is faster than usb+fat32 :)[03:28:48] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[03:29:52] <_Lewellyn> back later.[03:30:14] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[03:33:15] *** anilg2 has joined #opensolaris[03:35:32] *** gaveen has quit IRC[03:36:11] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: JDS is an old term anyhow[03:36:14] <e^ipi> now it's just GNOME[03:36:36] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[03:37:36] <nachox> i think the only java in it was the media player[03:38:15] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[03:38:23] *** wims has quit IRC[03:38:45] *** wims has joined #opensolaris[03:39:05] <nachox> anyway, i'm off to bed, night guys[03:44:11] *** anilg1 has quit IRC[03:47:49] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[03:48:49] *** Catsceo has quit IRC[03:51:46] *** anilg has quit IRC[03:51:47] *** Catsceo has joined #opensolaris[03:53:45] *** lblume has quit IRC[03:53:56] *** nachox has quit IRC[03:55:41] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris[03:57:01] *** _burzum_ has joined #opensolaris[03:58:56] *** _burzum_ has quit IRC[03:59:06] <CIA-40> Dan Price <dp at eng dot sun.com>: 6811365 brandz needs poststate hook to fire when a state change fails[03:59:07] <CIA-40> miao chen - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Miao.Chen at Sun dot COM>: 6809687 System panic when installing drm irq with Xorg off[03:59:08] <CIA-40> Jan Setje-Eilers <Jan.Setje-Eilers at Sun dot COM>: 6810939 system should be more open to being interactive despite graphical boot[03:59:11] <CIA-40> Eric Cheng: 6803903 potential assertion failure in mac_tx_*_mode()[03:59:54] *** inaddy has quit IRC[04:00:40] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris[04:01:42] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[04:06:43] *** naoto_gohko has quit IRC[04:07:32] *** syamajala has quit IRC[04:09:35] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:10:07][04:10:07][04:11:20] *** MACscr3 is now known as MACscr[04:21:08] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[04:24:10] *** stewart has quit IRC[04:24:26] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[04:27:38] *** esok has joined #opensolaris[04:27:45] *** cwebber has quit IRC[04:27:56] <jsoft> Hmm.[04:30:33] <victori> anyone recommend a monitoring package for opensolaris? cacti? monit? something that should work fairly easily with pkg[04:32:35] <trichobezoar> i never associated cacti with monitoring. nagios yes[04:32:38] <jamesd_> i haven't used opensolaris and pkg, but nagios is my favorite for non networking stuff, other wise mrtg is nice but i have never delployed on solaris[04:33:05] <victori> any opinion on munin? I mixed that up with monit[04:33:06] <_Lewellyn> oh neat. xchat reconnected automatically when i got home and got my wifi to reconnect. :)[04:33:25] * _Lewellyn needs to figure out why wifi doesn't autoconnect :([04:34:23] <e^ipi> cacti's for making cool little graphs of SNMP data[04:34:27] <timelE61i> hRm, is ipf.1m no longer included? (since 101?)[04:34:56] <elektronkind> I run cacti on my little colo box[04:34:57] <elektronkind> https://elemental.org/cacti/graph_view.php[04:35:01] <elektronkind> it's alright[04:35:04] <e^ipi> timelE61i: EWORKSFORME[04:35:04] *** jklyekai_ has quit IRC[04:35:10] <elektronkind> a bit more complicated than it needs to be[04:35:19] <e^ipi> agreed[04:35:20] <victori> elektronkind: opensolaris?[04:35:46] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris[04:35:50] <timelE61i> man -s1m ipf = no entry[04:35:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig[04:35:57] <elektronkind> this box happens to be a very patched solaris 10[04:36:02] <e^ipi> victori: you can deploy it wherever you like[04:36:19] <timelE61i> Pkg search -lr ipf.1m = long list that stops at 101[04:36:27] <victori> I am just looking for the least painful to install monitoring package[04:37:37] *** anilg2 has quit IRC[04:38:28] <jamesd_> not sure anything does solaris monitoring that isn't painful to some extent... even the commercial hp openview is painful[04:39:29] *** sparcdr has joined #opensolaris[04:39:42] <elektronkind> monitoring? just set up nagios and feed it whatever[04:40:00] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[04:41:14] <jamesd_> elektronkind: yeah nagios is nice but it has a learning curve and is hard to setup to monitor one or two things that are unique, but can scale fairly well for typical stuff, disk space, loadavg etc.[04:42:30] <elektronkind> any type of this sort of system is a bitch to set up[04:42:46] <trichobezoar> heh, nagios will cause a solaris (sparc?) box to crawl to its knees monitoring 100+ pocesses[04:43:00] <elektronkind> I've set up nagios, netcool, smarts... neither of those are fun[04:43:16] <trichobezoar> i did lockstat while the ps storm was going on, i remember 'hat' was part of the two two lockers[04:43:55] *** sparcdr has left #opensolaris[04:46:04] <jbk> but is that due to how nagios is doign the monitoring?[04:46:18] <trichobezoar> yes, running maybe 100 ps processes[04:46:23] <trichobezoar> then again, linux doesnt have the same damage[04:46:38] <trichobezoar> we had to hack the check to write a lock file, and only run the acutal ps check if the cache file was older than 60 seconds[04:47:02] <jbk> what about a process are you trying to monitor?[04:47:28] <trichobezoar> its existence. doing ps for each of 100 monitors[04:47:39] <jbk> does pgrep work any better?[04:47:53] <trichobezoar> not sure, never tried that[04:48:07] <trichobezoar> i can probably dig up the lockstat from what i pasted here if you care to see[04:48:47] <jbk> just wondering if pgrep being a bit more targeted might be more efficient[04:49:55] *** e-jat has quit IRC[04:51:31] <jamesd_> i monitored 100 boxes with no real problem but it was a dual core 2.x ghz box with 2Ghz, on linux.[04:51:37] <jamesd_> and nagios[04:54:31] <jbk> nagios always struck me as a shoestring and duct tape-ish approach to monitoring[04:56:49] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[04:57:00] <_Lewellyn> anyone here have networking working in an lx-branded zone? i thought i had it :P[04:59:38] <e^ipi> victori: what about ptribble's thing?[04:59:46] <e^ipi> http://www.petertribble.co.uk/Solaris/jangle.html[04:59:53] <e^ipi> NFI if it does what you're looking for[05:01:15] <_Lewellyn> nice! Assertion failed: addrspec > 0 || physspec > 0, file ../common/libzonecfg.c, line 2156[05:01:15] <_Lewellyn> Abort(coredump)[05:02:10] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[05:05:28] *** Havokmon has quit IRC[05:09:36] *** xxan0xx has quit IRC[05:12:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta[05:12:35] *** nrubsig has quit IRC[05:13:47] *** stevel has quit IRC[05:16:42] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[05:19:07] *** gaveen has quit IRC[05:21:16] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[05:21:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[05:21:29] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[05:22:15] *** ericjray has quit IRC[05:24:48] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[05:24:55] <gerryxiao> hello[05:25:14] <gerryxiao> when will 0906 be out?[05:25:27] <flyingparchment> perhaps in 2009-06?[05:25:50] <gerryxiao> maybe[05:26:17] <gerryxiao> virtulbox 2.1.4 seems not support 0906 preview[05:26:17] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[05:26:49] <gerryxiao> what's difference between sxce and opensolaris?[05:27:39] <gerryxiao> should i use which one?[05:28:20] *** ken-zZz has quit IRC[05:28:27] <gerryxiao> any ideas?[05:28:47] <gerryxiao> hmm[05:29:20] <gerryxiao> sxce=solaris express community edition?[05:29:22] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[05:29:59] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[05:33:10] <gerryxiao> how to chang EFI to default label?[05:33:38] <gerryxiao> vtoc[05:34:21] <gerryxiao> anyone here?[05:34:49] *** MindDrive has quit IRC[05:35:31] *** stevel has quit IRC[05:39:10] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[05:41:45] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[05:42:31] <_Lewellyn> neat. i completely killed nwam, it seems :)[05:43:32] <_Lewellyn> so yeah. what's the proper way to add a defrouter to an already added net in a zone?[05:44:14] <gerryxiao> reconfig net[05:45:17] *** niq has quit IRC[05:45:39] <_Lewellyn> that gives help output[05:46:20] <_Lewellyn> the best i've done so far is dumping core from zonecfg and killing nwam somehow (separately)[05:47:09] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[05:47:22] *** OpenBuntu has joined #opensolaris[05:51:14] *** proberts has quit IRC[05:58:24] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[05:59:45] <_Lewellyn> *sigh* this is so not working :([06:01:54] <_Lewellyn> oh! now i see how to modify values...[06:02:52] *** OpenBuntu has quit IRC[06:03:46] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[06:04:14] *** alain10 has quit IRC[06:07:01] <_Lewellyn> sucks that crossbow won't work for what i need :([06:17:01] *** anilg has quit IRC[06:19:31] *** e-jat has quit IRC[06:19:33] <Andys^> hrmmm[06:19:38] <Andys^> not only does root pool not support RAIDZ[06:19:45] <Andys^> but it only supports a single mirror vdev, so no RAID0+1 :([06:19:51] *** twisti__ has joined #opensolaris[06:20:26] *** twisti_ has quit IRC[06:22:40] <e^ipi> correct[06:23:16] <e^ipi> it has to do with booting IIRC[06:24:23] <flyingparchment> solaris has never supported booting from a stripe, even with svm.. 98% of solaris systems have separate OS and data disks[06:24:44] *** kmays_ has joined #opensolaris[06:24:54] <Andys^> e^ipi: the funny thing is freebsd now supports booting of RAIDZ[06:25:03] <Andys^> (with a user-applied patch)[06:25:07] *** cwebber has quit IRC[06:25:22] <e^ipi> so port it and fire off a patch to request-sponsor[06:26:03] *** kmays has quit IRC[06:26:08] *** kmays_ is now known as kmays[06:37:00] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris[06:39:19] *** botox has quit IRC[06:39:25] *** botox has joined #opensolaris[06:46:28] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[06:48:06] *** luc^ has quit IRC[06:53:05] *** gnut has quit IRC[06:59:40] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris[07:01:05] <gdamore> anyone here know how I can get content on the website updated? I want to post a file update, but www.os.o crashes when I try post an upload ...[07:01:42] <_Lewellyn> ah. so you're the one crashing the site? :)[07:02:14] *** OpenBuntu has joined #opensolaris[07:02:15] <gdamore> only once or twice. trying to post an update to the opensound project, and trying to post a binary file. (I'm assuming that triggered it. But I don't know for sure.)[07:02:56] <_Lewellyn> i personally don't know. but i'm glad to have someone to curse at under my breath when it stops responding, now ;)[07:03:09] <gdamore> I'd guess that there are enough engineers milling around that a fix could be found if some of the right folks had access...[07:03:11] <_Lewellyn> nothing personal. i just don't like muttering at no one in particular :)[07:03:56] <_Lewellyn> ok. i think i've come to the conclusion that what i want to do is impossible :([07:04:10] <e^ipi> bring the mountain to muhammed ?[07:04:19] <_Lewellyn> no. i just want networking in my lx zone[07:04:37] <_Lewellyn> all i can find with my current status is people with the same issue[07:05:01] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[07:08:03] <gdamore> Anyway, boomer beta release bits posted now... on cr.opensolaris.org.[07:08:10] <gdamore> Details here: http://gdamore.blogspot.com/[07:08:41] <gdamore> Note that the first link in the blog post is *not* updated, because of the os.o bustage.[07:09:31] <_Lewellyn> gdamore: oh, since you're here... :)[07:09:42] <gdamore> not for long....[07:10:11] <_Lewellyn> can you answer a quick question? :)[07:10:24] <_Lewellyn> is http://cr.opensolaris.org/~gdamore/sdcard/ integrated into current builds?[07:10:52] <_Lewellyn> oh, that's not what i meant to link[07:11:15] <_Lewellyn> http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2008/12/sdcard-fixes.html[07:11:16] <_Lewellyn> that's it[07:11:42] <_Lewellyn> i was running those binaries in solaris 10 with no problem, but i can't access my sdcard with sxce 108[07:11:49] <Andys^> anyone know how to use chmod to grant with ACLs?[07:12:24] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: um. the man page has example syntax[07:13:32] <_Lewellyn> it's been a while since i've done it[07:13:42] <_Lewellyn> but the last time i did, it was using the man page for assistance[07:13:44] <Andys^> yeah but i want to know[07:13:57] <Andys^> if i have a cifs server in a domain[07:14:00] <_Lewellyn> i don't have any "real-world" examples to give, sadly[07:14:05] <Andys^> can i just assigned ACL for groups that the box doesnt know about[07:14:08] <_Lewellyn> oh, that's something i've never done.[07:15:54] <_Lewellyn> gdamore: btw, under solaris 10, those drivers worked excellently. i have to say thanks for that. it kept me sane :)[07:16:29] <Andys^> blergh[07:16:43] *** oxygen-a1dict has quit IRC[07:17:08] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: join the blergh club :P[07:17:17] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[07:21:50] <gdamore> the sdcard fixes were integrated in snv109.[07:21:55] <gdamore> *not* 108.[07:22:07] <Andys^> i think i need to edit nsswitch.conf[07:22:08] <gdamore> got to go now... wifey wants to spend time with me. :-) g'nite all.[07:24:42] <_Lewellyn> ok. i'll grab that binary for 108 then. thanks :)[07:24:45] <_Lewellyn> have a good one.[07:29:40] <timeless> woohoo[07:29:53] * timeless got nexenta-zone relatively 'happy'[07:30:03] <timeless> time to break it by pkg image-update :)[07:31:42] *** fftb_ has joined #opensolaris[07:40:06] *** sensei_ has quit IRC[07:43:30] *** sndcrb has joined #opensolaris[07:44:03] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[07:52:07] * timeless wonders if an alternate BE can be used as a PV xVM machine[07:53:58] <_Lewellyn> that sounds like a recipe for disaster. try it? :)[07:54:19] * timeless ponders[07:54:47] <timeless> it looks like if i try to use pkg image-update for each release from 100 to 200, it will fail[07:55:11] * timeless wonders if they intend to fix that aroudn 150[07:55:37] <_Lewellyn> why's that?[07:57:37] <timeless> /usr/lib/brand/ipkg/clone[07:57:49] <timeless> if [ $BENUM -ge 100 ]; then[07:57:49] <timeless> fail_fatal "$f_zfs_create"[07:57:49] <timeless> fi[07:57:57] <_Lewellyn> haha oops[07:58:28] <_Lewellyn> i was just about to mention that i don't have that file and was going to ask for more elaboration when you pasted the 3 lines, btw :)[07:58:52] <CIA-40> sonam gupta - Sun Microsystems - Bangalore India <Sonam.Gupta at Sun dot COM>: 6768197 after hold the print request on print server, "lpstat -p" output showed "now printing" result.[07:58:53] <CIA-40> Anders Persson <Anders.Persson at Sun dot COM>: 6799655 sockets need better handling of STREAMS ioctls[07:58:54] <CIA-40> Anders Persson <Anders.Persson at Sun dot COM>: 6662959 sockfs need kstats to report usage info[07:58:55] <CIA-40> Anders Persson <Anders.Persson at Sun dot COM>: 6805727 assertion for non-null credential tripped in tcp_tpi_accept[07:59:19] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[08:02:11] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[08:04:33] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[08:05:43] <gerryxiao> hello, can i update from build 108 to 109?[08:05:52] <timeless> eventually[08:06:04] <timeless> the ipkg updates tend to come late[08:06:26] <_Lewellyn> timeless: 109 hasn't been announced that i've seen[08:06:29] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[08:06:30] <timeless> but the topic says that 109 isn't there[08:06:39] <timeless> so you're asking about an update to vapor[08:06:51] <timeless> once it's ready, pfexec pkg image-update[08:06:56] <_Lewellyn> i'm very much looking forward to 109, personally[08:07:12] <_Lewellyn> it should fix a few things that bug me :)[08:07:13] * timeless looks forward to seeing if 108 breaks anything[08:07:21] <_Lewellyn> 108 broke suspend for me :([08:07:32] <_Lewellyn> X dying makes suspend useless[08:07:44] <_Lewellyn> it's almost enough to revert to 106[08:08:09] <timeless> i just gave 107 a nexenta zone, and it's always interesting to see what happens if i want to update the globalzone with an 'interesting' zone[08:08:15] *** div19 has joined #opensolaris[08:08:42] <_Lewellyn> i seem to have a working lx branded zone, natted over wifi. woo.[08:08:58] <_Lewellyn> hopefully i don't need to run servers on it.[08:09:16] <_Lewellyn> i'm afraid to touch the configuration :([08:09:18] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[08:10:13] <_Lewellyn> oh bah. i'm getting those connect errors again :([08:10:38] <timeless> that reminds me, i should try sticking in the wifi card[08:10:54] <timeless> it's been sitting around for 2 years because i couldn't get wifi working[08:10:59] <_Lewellyn> dude. wtf. why do i have random default routes popping up again?[08:11:09] <_Lewellyn> i'm back up to 3[08:13:02] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[08:13:37] *** medar has quit IRC[08:14:09] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[08:14:40] *** sophokles has joined #opensolaris[08:18:05] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[08:21:31] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[08:22:45] *** MrCerulean has joined #opensolaris[08:23:51] <MrCerulean> I seem to have lost a SCSI drive. I recently upgraded a Linux system to OpenSolaris. Under Linux, I was running two x SCSI using LVM to manage. I was hoping to do the same with ZFS on OpenSolaris, but the system can only see one drive (the boot drive).[08:24:17] <flyingparchment> are they on the same bus? how did you determine that only one disk is visible?[08:24:27] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[08:24:35] <MrCerulean> When I run 'format', I only see the one SCSI disk.[08:24:49] <MrCerulean> I also see a USB drive that's attached, but that's not one I want to use.[08:25:02] <flyingparchment> are they on the same bus?[08:25:16] <MrCerulean> AFAIK, they are...[08:25:36] <flyingparchment> what scsi card?[08:25:46] <MrCerulean> Not sure--it's in a Dell box.[08:26:07] * _Lewellyn puts money on LSI[08:26:10] <flyingparchment> is it possible you have a PERC card and configured them as a RAID array? what does 'iostat -En' show for vendor/model?[08:26:46] <flyingparchment> also, paste the output of 'prtconf -D' at rafb.net/paste/[08:26:57] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: or megaraid ;)[08:27:04] <flyingparchment> therealsamc: megaraid _is_ lsi[08:27:04] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[08:27:11] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[08:27:33] <therealsamc> flyingparchment: ahh, there's another one they use then[08:27:39] <_Lewellyn> adaptec[08:27:40] <therealsamc> been a while since I played with dell kit[08:27:42] <therealsamc> that's right[08:27:49] <therealsamc> the one you manage with afacli[08:27:54] <_Lewellyn> he'd probably know if it was adaptec[08:28:05] <flyingparchment> the main thing i hate about Dell is they strip the IM/IME functionality from their mpt cards[08:28:05] <_Lewellyn> it's hard to ignore the boot banners :)[08:28:20] <therealsamc> heh :)[08:28:27] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: the main thing i hate about dell is that none of their hardware is the same as vendor spec. ever.[08:28:30] *** davidX_ has quit IRC[08:28:40] <MrCerulean> Here's the iostat: http://rafb.net/p/UsamDt39.html[08:28:43] <_Lewellyn> i sometimes suspect they even get custom CPUs :P[08:28:45] <MrCerulean> Which has a lot of errors[08:29:03] <flyingparchment> 'maxtor onetouch' is your usb thing?[08:29:07] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: my biggest gripe is that if you get a server motherboard replaced, half the time the NIC chipset will change from Intel to Broadcom or vice versa[08:29:14] <therealsamc> they just seem to buy whatever's cheap at the time[08:29:42] *** Posterdati_ has quit IRC[08:29:48] *** Posterdati has joined #opensolaris[08:29:54] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: no, you have to get the same exact board. and changing nic driver's easier than prodding them for 2 years to get a half-decent driver because you can't use the stock one for something :P[08:30:04] <MrCerulean> here is prtconf -D: http://rafb.net/p/GCI3cW52.html[08:30:04] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[08:30:22] <MrCerulean> flyingparchment: Yes, Maxtor is the USB thing.[08:30:23] <_Lewellyn> dell is like every other big vendor; they have a variety of subtly different parts when it comes to motherboards[08:30:48] <flyingparchment> _Lewellyn: a certain vendor popular with solaris users manages to avoid that, IME[08:31:41] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: just because the vendor's good at using the same exact part across a model doesn't mean the same board's not used in another model with a slightly different configuration :)[08:31:41] *** fftb_ has quit IRC[08:32:17] <flyingparchment> ... although this X4250 did come with 15 fujitsu disks and 1 seagate disk, which was a bit odd[08:32:43] <_Lewellyn> my laptop's a prime example. the 2 differences on the motherboard between mine and the top-of-the line is the GPU and the addition of a second SATA bus[08:32:50] <Andys^> mmmreconditioned :P[08:32:58] <_Lewellyn> oh, you mean THAT vendor[08:33:03] <e^ipi> well, that was bizzare[08:33:13] *** __ms has quit IRC[08:33:23] <e^ipi> i just got a flood of /msg that seems to have been the contents of a channel[08:33:29] <e^ipi> good old freenode...[08:33:30] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[08:33:32] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: haha. oops.[08:33:47] <e^ipi> it was /msg's from half a dozen people[08:33:48] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[08:34:10] <e^ipi> in either case... this is why we can't have pretty things: http://âž¡.ws/1u[08:34:14] <e^ipi> yes, that's valid...[08:34:22] <e^ipi> (unicode url's)--[08:34:38] <MrCerulean> e^ipi: Took me to Google...[08:34:39] <MrCerulean> :)[08:34:43] <e^ipi> correct[08:34:57] <Andys^> unicode hostnames. worst idea ever.[08:35:01] <e^ipi> +1[08:35:04] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[08:35:08] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[08:35:26] <flyingparchment> easy to say when latin is your native alphabet[08:35:31] <MrCerulean> Any ideas on my missing disk? :)[08:35:32] <therealsamc> it's a phisher's dream though :( too many other characters that look like / and ? and stuff[08:35:32] * Andys^ sighs for the good old days when domain names cost $hundreds[08:35:42] <therealsamc> makes creating legit-looking fake URLs too easy[08:35:47] <flyingparchment> MrCerulean: still waiting for prtconf -D[08:35:53] <MrCerulean> http://rafb.net/p/GCI3cW52.html[08:35:54] <flyingparchment> oh, there it is[08:35:58] *** anilg has quit IRC[08:36:04] <MrCerulean> As posted a while back. :)[08:36:13] *** chrol has left #opensolaris[08:36:18] *** simNIX has left #opensolaris[08:36:42] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[08:36:45] <flyingparchment> you don't have any SCSI disks... that's an IDE or SATA-in-IDE-mode disk[08:37:00] <flyingparchment> Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/s 400-GB Hard Drive[08:37:25] <MrCerulean> OK. But there should be 2 of 'em...[08:37:34] <e^ipi> Andys^: and the new idea is to sell TLD's[08:37:48] <flyingparchment> try turning off IDE compatibility mode in the BIOS[08:38:11] <flyingparchment> (that will change the disk path as solaris sees it, so you might need to reinstall (or hack bootenv, which is kind of a pain))[08:38:38] <MrCerulean> flyingparchment: That'll require a trip to the colo--I will try it in the morning. I'll also take a repair thumbdrive and confirm that Linux still sees two...[08:38:58] *** Sparcus has joined #opensolaris[08:39:01] <flyingparchment> no drac?[08:39:14] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[08:39:24] <MrCerulean> flyingparchment: I wish. With these guys, the choice is cool gear or salary. :D[08:39:31] <timeless> e^ipi: yeah, that idea is much worse than unicode domain names[08:39:59] <IvanR_> MrCerulean: You could try "devfsadm -v" to poke the system and see if it recognizes any new devices.[08:40:11] <MrCerulean> I have no budget, which is why I'm trying to extend the value of these NFS boxes with OpenSolaris.[08:40:17] *** therealsamc is now known as samc[08:40:30] <IvanR_> That'll print out any new /dev links it creates[08:41:38] <MrCerulean> IvanR_: Nada.[08:42:35] <flyingparchment> it might be that linux somehow forces the controller back into SATA mode[08:44:36] <MrCerulean> One more quick question.[08:45:12] <MrCerulean> The size of my base rpool reflects the size of the disk that it can see: 135GB.[08:45:33] <MrCerulean> But, I created a filesystem that df shows to be 363G in size...[08:46:00] <MrCerulean> rpool 133G 75K 133G 1% /rpool[08:46:00] <MrCerulean> rpool/sites 363G 231G 133G 64% /usr/network-share/sites[08:47:12] <MrCerulean> Those numbers don't seem to jibe. Plus, when I try to copy the contents of the LVM pool on the other, Linux, box, I run out of space.[08:47:25] <MrCerulean> Despite the 133GB free thing.[08:47:39] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[08:48:23] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: so, register a tld of "bankofamerica<full-width period>com" and boom :)[08:48:43] <_Lewellyn> a legit www.bankofamerica.com of your very own! :)[08:49:01] <e^ipi> yay![08:49:21] <MrCerulean> Thanks again for the tips, folks. I'm going to go sleep on this.[08:49:25] <MrCerulean> :P[08:49:34] <e^ipi> you can even automate the process of taking the username/password and logging in to the real BoA to transfer all the money to a numbered account in a nonextradition country[08:49:45] *** MrCerulean has quit IRC[08:50:05] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[08:50:39] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[08:52:44] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: yup. some banks would be a bit harder. usbank.com, for example.[08:54:32] <g4lt-lappy> naw, just register moorefinancial, their old name[08:55:26] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[08:56:56] *** twisti__ is now known as twisti[08:59:00] <CIA-40> sonam gupta - Sun Microsystems - Bangalore India <Sonam.Gupta at Sun dot COM>: 6759604 general user on the lp client can cancel root user's print job[09:00:14] *** sndcrb2 has joined #opensolaris[09:00:30] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:00:39] <e^ipi> it's fun to look at a list of putbacks for the week, you can guess with a high degree of accuracy when exactly ( what time ) something came in based on the names relative to each other[09:01:00] <DTEIT> morning[09:02:37] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: i mean the site's actually a more secure login method[09:03:30] <_Lewellyn> anyone know what the newest redhat-like distro (i assume centos) anyone's tested in an lx zone is?[09:03:41] <g4lt-lappy> _llno. usbank uses the same second page-imae as BoA[09:03:53] <g4lt-lappy> _Lewellyn: ^^^^[09:04:12] * g4lt-lappy hits _Lewellynfor not spelling his name in the original welsh ;P[09:04:14] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: from what i've seen of people logging into both sites, the usbank one appears to be more tailored to the user[09:04:15] *** sensei has joined #opensolaris[09:04:22] <_Lewellyn> but i don't personally bank with either[09:04:33] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: "lewellyn" is 8 characters ;)[09:05:01] <g4lt-lappy> and "g4lt-lappy" is 10 ;P[09:05:27] <_Lewellyn> once upon a time, unix systems had an 8 character limit :([09:06:31] <g4lt-lappy> thyat would not be this century[09:07:12] <g4lt-lappy> and in fact, since said "once upon a time" was when SunOS was a BSD, never in solaris ;P[09:07:23] *** lesterc_ has quit IRC[09:08:22] *** Traveler has joined #opensolaris[09:08:30] <tsoome> so did they fixed ls?;)[09:08:51] *** Traveler has quit IRC[09:08:59] <g4lt-lappy> maked it so --color replied "FOAD, dummy"?[09:09:56] <tsoome> no, ls used to use fixed with columns; long user and group names will merge there..[09:10:49] *** OpenBuntu has quit IRC[09:11:08] *** e-jat has quit IRC[09:11:15] *** durino has joined #opensolaris[09:11:50] *** duri has quit IRC[09:13:30] *** hotaru2k3 has joined #OpenSolaris[09:14:57] *** sndcrb has quit IRC[09:18:19] <_Lewellyn> g4lt-lappy: solaris 1.1.x ;)[09:18:46] *** bindaas has joined #opensolaris[09:23:33] <rauz___> hi has somebody experience with sun ray server and ldap auth ?[09:26:12] *** hsp is now known as hsp_away[09:26:51] <asyd> \_o<[09:27:17] <g4lt-lappy> _Lewellyn: you mean SunOS before they retconned?[09:28:20] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:41:07] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[09:41:47] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[09:42:52] *** Erwann has quit IRC[09:42:52] *** jklyekai has quit IRC[09:42:56] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:45:06] *** jklyekai has joined #opensolaris[09:45:15] *** dunc_ has quit IRC[09:46:01] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:53:00] <bgupta> I've heard someone did a lot of good work on breaking up the opensolaris build system. May I humbly ask to see the results?[10:05:45] *** alex25 has joined #opensolaris[10:12:32] *** narmac has joined #opensolaris[10:13:59] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:14:48] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[10:15:09] *** sartek_ has joined #opensolaris[10:15:09] <kibibyte> hi[10:15:25] <kibibyte> how to make starting opensolaris in text mode by default[10:15:59] <seanmcg> kibibyte, eeprom console=text[10:16:25] <sartek_> i created a zpool on my c3d0p2, but the partition type remains "Ext Win95" how can i change it?[10:16:55] <kibibyte> eeprom?[10:17:30] <kibibyte> you kidding[10:17:45] <kibibyte> eeprom is memory[10:17:48] <seanmcg> nope :)[10:17:56] <seanmcg> no its not..[10:18:01] <_dsw> nvrom[10:18:16] <_dsw> *nvram[10:18:19] <seanmcg> on sparc its the obp nvram, on x86 its the bootenv.rc file[10:18:29] <kibibyte> but[10:18:38] <kibibyte> in lunux i can set which run level choose[10:18:42] <kibibyte> on system startup[10:18:47] <kibibyte> linux*[10:18:52] <kibibyte> in /etc/inittab[10:18:54] <seanmcg> or disable the graphical login.[10:19:05] <seanmcg> solaris != linux[10:19:22] <kibibyte> its x86[10:19:24] <kibibyte> not sparc[10:19:40] <seanmcg> on sparc its the obp nvram, on x86 its the bootenv.rc file[10:19:43] <_dsw> sartek_: format -> choose disk -> fdisk -> delete/create[10:19:44] <tsoome> runlevels are like for repairing your handwatch with sledgehammer[10:19:57] <_dsw> sartek_: assuming you don't want to keep the data on the vfat partition ;)[10:20:06] <kibibyte> where is bootenv.rc file?[10:20:16] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:20:17] <sartek_> _dsw: time to backup[10:20:27] <_dsw> i thnk so ;)[10:20:30] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[10:20:38] <seanmcg> /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc - don't edit this[10:20:47] <kibibyte> why\[10:21:07] <seanmcg> eeprom is the interface to that file, use eeprom[10:21:08] <tsoome> you have eeprom command o modify it[10:21:14] <tsoome> to*[10:21:37] <kibibyte> so if i run command eeprom console=text[10:21:47] <kibibyte> my system will be start in multiuser text mode?[10:22:16] <seanmcg> should do, though graphical-login may still start[10:22:17] *** cydork has joined #opensolaris[10:22:32] <kibibyte> i dont want graphical login[10:22:36] <kibibyte> just console login[10:22:37] <kibibyte> :d[10:23:18] <seanmcg> so disable it, svcadm disable graphical-login/gdm[10:23:21] <seanmcg> so disable it, svcadm disable graphical-login/cde-login[10:23:54] <seanmcg> kibibyte, you running osol or sxce ?[10:24:08] <kibibyte> dont kknow[10:24:14] <kibibyte> how to check and what is it[10:24:23] <seanmcg> cat /etc/release and tell what the first line says[10:24:40] <kibibyte> OpenSolaris 2008.11 snv_101b_rc2 X86[10:24:51] <seanmcg> thats osol (Open SOLaris)[10:25:05] <kibibyte> and whats sxce[10:25:23] <_dsw> solaris express - community edition, bleeding edge "nevada" as it were[10:25:56] <seanmcg> kibibyte, you can also choose the text boot option from the grub menu, can set this to be the default with bootadm[10:26:19] <kibibyte> hm[10:26:23] <kibibyte> what is better[10:26:29] <kibibyte> eeprom or botadm[10:27:16] <seanmcg> try the bootadm set-menu to set the default to be the text boot[10:27:43] <kibibyte> and disable graphical login yes[10:27:58] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[10:28:15] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[10:28:22] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:28:23] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[10:30:33] <seanmcg> disabling the graphical login is still a separate step..[10:32:29] <trochej> Yes[10:33:42] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:33:45] *** sartek_ has quit IRC[10:34:00] *** botox has quit IRC[10:35:33] *** anilg has quit IRC[10:35:53] *** ken has quit IRC[10:36:04] <_Lewellyn> and that's a good thing if you want XDMCP or something :)[10:37:03] <kibibyte> X what?[10:38:01] <_Lewellyn> kibibyte: some people use it so that you can remotely log in to X on an otherwise headless machine :)[10:38:06] <sickness> on x86 as well I just disable the graphical-login svc and use xinit to start my window manager, no gnome crap >:)[10:38:52] <kibibyte> do you have any informatons how to mae firefox much faster on sprac machines[10:39:03] <sickness> _Lewellyn: ok but you'll have to disable the local X session or you'll waste a lot of memory for an unused local X server on an headless machine...[10:39:32] *** anilg1 is now known as anilg[10:39:54] <kibibyte> sickness, i need to disable xserver as well[10:39:55] <kibibyte> ?[10:40:00] *** div110 has joined #opensolaris[10:40:29] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[10:40:45] <sickness> kibibyte: how fast is your disk? disable all of the firefox cacheing, disable network prefetching, use an external proxy, that will make firefox run better on a slower computer, not that there's a "fast/slow" switch otherwise the developers would have put it on "fast" already ;P[10:41:07] <kibibyte> i have T5240[10:41:32] <kibibyte> and firefx is slow like shit[10:41:34] <kibibyte> :([10:41:44] <sickness> kibibyte: the X server is one thing, the session manager is another, it is common default setup that the session manager listens for remote connections BUT also sets up a local X session, so I suppose you'll have to configure the session manager to just listen for remote connection without starting a local X server[10:42:05] *** hsp_away is now known as hsp[10:42:09] <sickness> kibibyte: I used to do that with other unices widh xdm and kdm/gdm[10:42:18] <kibibyte> The Sun SPARC Enterprise T5240 server is the fastest 2-socket server available, with up to 5 times the performance in half the space and 2.5 times better performance per watt than comparable x86 systems.[10:42:29] <kibibyte> ;d[10:42:42] <sickness> kibibyte: I've never tried a T5240, try also to remove ALL of the plugins/extensions installed in your firefox[10:42:49] <_Lewellyn> sickness: yes, but you still want the service to run for XDMCP :)[10:43:05] <kibibyte> gur from SUN said hat firefox in single thread app[10:43:12] <kibibyte> and it will be slow on this machine[10:43:24] <tsoome> 5240 is never meant to run firefox:D[10:43:30] <_Lewellyn> kibibyte: install opera or seamonkey :)[10:43:41] <kibibyte> no it need to be ff[10:43:41] <sickness> kibibyte: that maybe counts for server workloads, with heavily threaded apps, in my experience, firefox scales like shit even on x86, let alone sparc which is just a port and not the primary development platform which remains, let's admit it, x86 :/[10:43:49] <tsoome> nor any desktop software really[10:43:50] <sickness> _Lewellyn: yeah[10:43:55] <_Lewellyn> kibibyte: firefox or just mozilla?[10:44:00] <kibibyte> or mozilla[10:44:03] <_Lewellyn> seamonkey is what was formerly the mozilla suite[10:44:12] <_Lewellyn> and is the "real" upgrade from the mozilla in solaris 10[10:44:21] <kibibyte> i meand we have four T5240[10:44:35] <kibibyte> and 1 is used as SGD server[10:44:47] <kibibyte> and applicatiojn server is another T5240[10:44:48] <_Lewellyn> www.seamonkey-project.org btw[10:45:15] <kibibyte> and users are using FF from application server through SGD[10:45:27] <kibibyte> but FF is slow like shit on sparc[10:45:29] <kibibyte> :/[10:45:35] <tsoome> oor you[10:45:38] <tsoome> poor*[10:45:42] <kibibyte> why me[10:45:50] <tsoome> desktop needs pure GHz[10:46:13] <tsoome> 5240 is all about parallel tasking[10:46:24] <kibibyte> so buy x86 machine for FF ?[10:46:33] <_Lewellyn> kibibyte: if ff is slow and you need mozilla's renderer, use seamonkey.[10:46:40] <tsoome> or M3000/M4000 and up[10:46:54] <sickness> kibibyte: yeah, an x86 would be faster, and surely cheaper...[10:47:00] <_Lewellyn> and you get mail and news and irc and an editor and...[10:47:04] <kibibyte> _Lewellyn, seamonkey will be fast on sparc?[10:47:11] <_Lewellyn> faster, in my experience.[10:47:15] <kibibyte> _Lewellyn, no i just need it to be fast[10:47:16] <tsoome> sparc by itself is not slow[10:47:20] <_Lewellyn> and most of my experience is on vnc on an ultra5[10:47:31] <sickness> kibibyte: nah, do at least one try with my settings, they cost nothing...[10:47:35] <tsoome> there are different machines for different jobs[10:47:45] <_Lewellyn> mozilla is just generally sluggish. they have tricks to make it less sluggish on the tier 1 platforms, i understand[10:47:48] <kibibyte> tsoome, now i know[10:47:49] <kibibyte> :d[10:47:51] <sickness> kibibyte: but again, there's no "fast/slow" switch to be turned ;([10:48:12] <sickness> (otherwise it would have been already set on "fast" >:)[10:48:21] <_Lewellyn> but it's not unusual for firefox to be the largest running process on any platform[10:48:46] <_Lewellyn> sickness: they lost the "fast" switch when they threw out the Netscape 5.0 codebase ;)[10:48:51] <sickness> _Lewellyn: eheheh[10:49:31] <tsoome> niagara is for massive parallel tasks, its not good for desktop. at least not till they throw out all the unneeded shit from desktop apps and start optimizing...[10:49:43] <Stric> _Lewellyn: but the rendering engine in <=ns4 was pure crap tho[10:49:52] <sickness> anyway, just to report a little example, I've read on blogs/forums (maybe even slashdot) that a recent benchmark test verified that the win32 firefox run under wine under unix is actually *faster* than the native unix firefox binary![10:50:14] <_Lewellyn> Stric: not pure, but yeah.[10:50:34] <sickness> so if firefox isn't even as optimized on unix as on win32, let alone sparc...[10:50:38] <_Lewellyn> imo, the failure with mozilla is "the chrome is interpreted"[10:50:57] *** alex25 has left #opensolaris[10:51:08] *** Cope_ is now known as Cope[10:51:22] <kibibyte> so only way is to buy x86 machine for firefox?[10:51:39] <tsoome> no you can also buy M3000[10:51:46] <kibibyte> ok[10:51:59] <seanmcg> or a ultra-45[10:51:59] <sickness> kibibyte: do a try before...[10:52:00] <tsoome> *if* you wanna stick on sparc[10:52:09] <kibibyte> so we have 4 T5240 useless[10:52:10] <kibibyte> :d[10:52:23] <kibibyte> sickness, try seamonke?[10:52:40] <seanmcg> kibibyte, if you don't want em I'm sure someone here will gladly take them off your hands for a small fee :)[10:52:46] <kibibyte> hehe[10:52:46] <Stric> did you ask anyone "with knowledge" before you bought the t5240's?[10:52:54] <flyingparchment> just install opera and use T5240[10:53:04] <kibibyte> i didnt bought it[10:53:12] <Stric> you as in you-the-company[10:53:14] <seanmcg> kibibyte, why do you need to run firefox from the T5240 ?[10:53:20] <sickness> kibibyte: try an x86 server before buying it :)[10:53:28] <flyingparchment> seanmcg: he's using SSGD, i think[10:53:31] <tsoome> kibibyte: what psrinfo -v will tell you about clock speed?[10:53:55] <kibibyte> no some guy bought it[10:54:04] <kibibyte> he spoke with SUN[10:54:06] <kibibyte> about it[10:54:17] <Stric> but apparently didn't say what you were going to use it for[10:54:51] <kibibyte> The sparcv9 processor operates at 1165 MHz,[10:54:51] <kibibyte> and has a sparcv9 floating point processor.[10:55:04] <tsoome> so you have 1.2GHz cpu....[10:55:28] <Stric> with "low oompf per MHz"[10:55:37] <kibibyte> 128 x 1.2 GHZ[10:55:38] <kibibyte> :d[10:56:04] <tsoome> yes, but that stupid firefox got no idea about other 127 ....[10:56:09] <kibibyte> yup[10:56:10] <Stric> our 1.4GHz t5120's are slower per thread than the old 1GHz Ultrasparc IIIi[10:56:10] <kibibyte> :([10:56:20] *** div19 has quit IRC[10:56:28] <Stric> .. but we have more threads... which helps on server stuff, but not on firefox[10:56:42] <monsted> don't run firefox on a server? :)[10:56:54] <kibibyte> i need to[10:57:02] *** ken1 has left #opensolaris[10:57:12] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[10:57:12] <kibibyte> client will use FF though secure global desktop[10:57:25] <tsoome> monsted so you wanna tell how to not have server and use virtualized desktops;)[10:58:10] <Stric> kibibyte: Unless you need to run that on sparc, I would say you should try an x86 machine. I would also say not to hire that "some guy" any more.. if that guy is already in the company, inform him of the crap decision he made[10:58:36] <kibibyte> :d[10:58:37] <monsted> tsoome: buy citrix and run it on a wintel server?[10:58:39] * monsted hides[10:58:55] <tsoome> you told dont run FF on *server*[10:59:13] <monsted> citrix is just a glorified desktop ;)[10:59:15] <Stric> and maybe ask Sun if you can swap the 5240's for x64's and get money back[10:59:16] <tsoome> now you are suggesting to buy an server for it....[10:59:24] <kibibyte> yeah[10:59:29] <Stric> unless you need the machines for something else[10:59:42] <Stric> (which isn't single threaded)[11:00:16] <seanmcg> kibibyte, if you've got support with sun, then bring this performance issue up with them?[11:00:24] <tsoome> tbh, if they bought 5240 *and* license to run SGD, it means sun sales did nothing but collect money.[11:00:30] *** Warri0r has joined #opensolaris[11:00:33] <_Lewellyn> with some 5240s, i hope you have a support contract[11:00:41] <Warri0r> hallo everybody[11:00:46] <Warri0r> just a simple question....for compiling with ggc instead of cc? alias? CC=gcc?[11:02:27] <codestr0m> Warri0r: no.. you need to export it CC=gcc[11:04:00] <kibibyte> year some guy from sun support was investgating it[11:04:10] <kibibyte> and he said that FF is not tuned for sprac[11:04:13] <kibibyte> sparc[11:04:13] <kibibyte> :d[11:04:36] <codestr0m> kibibyte: don't feel bad.. FF isn't tuned for x86 either :P[11:05:11] <Warri0r> codestr0m..so then? how to use gcc instead of cc? (im using bash)[11:05:34] <codestr0m> Warri0r: export CC="gcc"[11:05:41] <tsoome> plain and simple - take 1GHz x86 and try to run your desktop there....:D[11:05:43] <codestr0m> most programs should respect this[11:06:58] <kibibyte> ok 1 more[11:07:00] <kibibyte> question[11:07:11] <kibibyte> how to autostart OpenDS when system reboot[11:07:12] <kibibyte> ?[11:07:30] <asyd> create a SMF manifest[11:07:32] <kibibyte> in linux i can put fil to /etc/init.d[11:07:41] <asyd> or google to find one[11:07:48] <_Lewellyn> sun has lots of smf docs[11:07:48] <Stric> (and /etc/rc*.d/)[11:08:04] <kibibyte> ok[11:08:04] <trochej> Tehre is even easySMF project[11:08:05] <Stric> you can do the same here, although the preferred thing is to import into SMF[11:08:15] <Warri0r> codestr0m..but, cc are not working, xDDD the compiler are calling the cc and not CC...[11:08:16] <_Lewellyn> kibibyte: have you *tried* any other mozilla browsers yet? there's many available. some lighter than others.[11:08:18] <Stric> which is a new framework that can keep it alive etc[11:08:40] <_Lewellyn> some claim proper multithreading, even[11:08:47] <_Lewellyn> and that would benefit your machine[11:08:49] <kibibyte> it must be FF[11:08:55] <codestr0m> Warri0r: do you have gcc installed and 2nd you can adjust your path so sun cc isn't in it at all or gcc is in front[11:08:59] <codestr0m> Warri0r: which app?[11:08:59] <_Lewellyn> that's a dead horse. move on to the next one, please.[11:09:19] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[11:10:18] <Warri0r> i have installed gcc in /usr/local/bin and i have just put in $PATH...[11:10:39] <Warri0r> im trying to compile xDDD only this, but not with cc, only with gcc and gmake[11:12:23] *** hotaru2k3 has quit IRC[11:15:42] *** ken1 is now known as ken-work[11:20:43] *** purserj has quit IRC[11:21:04] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[11:30:42] <Warri0r> any help? ...just trying to compile on line in a bash shell...using gcc instead of cc...[11:33:01] <codestr0m> Warri0r: if you don't listen.. why should others help?[11:33:06] <codestr0m> env | grep CC[11:33:09] <codestr0m> what's it say?[11:33:20] <codestr0m> what's `which cc` say[11:33:23] <codestr0m> or which gcc[11:36:55] <Warri0r> CC=gcc[11:37:07] <Warri0r> but... the compiler are trying to locate cc not CC[11:38:27] <tsoome> if you cant read/fix Makefile, maybe its better to leave this job to people who can?[11:39:28] <Warri0r> dude....1) my machine are completely alone without Solaris developers studio[11:39:41] <Warri0r> 2) i have just installed gcc & gmake to try to compile[11:39:56] <Warri0r> 3) my last error are that my aliases are not working fine[11:39:59] <Warri0r> better?[11:40:35] <asyd> who here are in the list of ogb canditates?[11:41:25] <Warri0r> which cc => no cc in /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin[11:42:34] <tsoome> man find[11:43:20] <codestr0m> Warri0r: ok. well if it's explicitly looking for cc and not gcc.. then you need to create a symlink and not an alias[11:43:26] <Stric> export CC as well[11:43:30] <codestr0m> alias is only for interactive shell and not a sub shell[11:43:40] <codestr0m> Stric: I told him to do this.. I don't know if he has though[11:43:43] <Stric> ok[11:44:53] <Warri0r> ohh, i see[11:45:12] <Warri0r> ok ok..so ln -s /usr/sbin/cc /usr/local/bin/gcc[11:45:25] <tsoome> .oO[11:45:27] <Warri0r> so then when it trys to use cc uses gcc[11:45:32] <Warri0r> thanks[11:46:27] <tsoome> there is no need to guess why apps dont work well in unix.....[11:47:28] <Warri0r> (not in my machine tsoome)[11:47:31] <codestr0m> tsoome: slow and steady fixes..[11:47:38] <Warri0r> im trying to get knowledge..[11:47:52] <Warri0r> its not my fault, nobody grows with knowledge[11:49:41] <tsoome> Warri0r: those packages are built with make (or gmake). instructions how to build stuff, are in Makefile. so, if your make is unable to find compiler, using wrong switches and so on, you need to fix your Makefile, not to build aliases, symlinks and crap like that.[11:50:01] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[11:52:29] *** luc__ has joined #opensolaris[11:52:52] *** luc^ has quit IRC[11:56:17] *** lesterc has joined 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it[12:13:03] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[12:13:18] <codestr0m> snv53 == old[12:13:36] <timeless> yes, but it worked for two years :)[12:13:55] <codestr0m> do you have the exact script line which caused the error or tracking that down?[12:13:59] <timeless> and i didn't have an upgrade path (poor drive config, not a zfs root)[12:14:22] <timeless> oh, it's definitely apt-get or a relative[12:14:35] <kibibyte> i created user opends and group opends,[12:14:47] <kibibyte> i can run opends with followin user: su opends /opt/OpenDS/OpenDS-1.2.0-RC1/bin/start-ds[12:14:52] <timeless> apt-get only calls one other thing (http)[12:15:04] <kibibyte> but when im trying svcadm enable svc:/network/ldap/opends:default[12:15:12] <kibibyte> it cannot bind port 389[12:15:13] <kibibyte> :/[12:15:14] <kibibyte> why?[12:15:16] <codestr0m> timeless: that says nothing.. get the exact line and truss can also check env options and arguments being passed to the sub process..[12:15:49] <codestr0m> those syscalls are probably not the place to focus.. try to reproduce outside of the script and go from there[12:15:50] <kibibyte> in manifest i have[12:15:53] <kibibyte> <method_context>[12:15:53] <kibibyte> <method_credential user='opends' group='opends' />[12:15:53] <kibibyte> </method_context>[12:16:02] <kibibyte> so why it cannot buind port?[12:16:18] <tomww_> lower 1024 ?[12:16:20] <timeless> sadly, it's a fork'd thing from http[12:16:25] <kibibyte> yes[12:16:37] <codestr0m> timeless: doesn't matter. it can follow all forks and sub process[12:16:38] * timeless wonders how apt-get sends orders to http[12:16:39] <sensei> truss can follow forks[12:16:40] <tomww_> then it need a priviledge to use the priviledged ports, can be noted in the manifest[12:16:50] <kibibyte> but i executed[12:16:54] <timeless> codestr0m: yeah, i already have -f and -a[12:16:55] <kibibyte> usermod -K defaultpriv=basic,net_privaddr,sys_resource,-proc_info,-file_link_any opends[12:17:54] <kibibyte> ?[12:18:30] *** 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_Lewellyn: does russia do the same?[12:25:37] <_Lewellyn> oh no, not at all[12:25:51] <kibibyte> if something is added to services then its autostared by default at system startup?[12:25:51] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[12:26:17] <CosmicDJ> kibibyte: http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=182[12:26:38] <Keso> I have setup zone and started ssh but I can't connect to zone with ssh, debug1: Failed to acquire GSS-API credentials for any mechanisms (No credentials were supplied, or the credentials were unavailable or inaccessible[12:26:40] <Keso> Unknown code[12:26:43] <Keso> any hints[12:27:27] <trochej> Frog. Can't find any onfo about connecting to ether using 802.1X auth[12:27:41] <trochej> Time to compile wpa_supplicant mysel[12:32:57] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[12:37:37] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:39:07] *** lesterc has quit IRC[12:39:23] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[12:40:10] *** vncsnvs has joined #opensolaris[12:43:09] *** vishalsaraswat24 has joined #opensolaris[12:44:35] <vishalsaraswat24> how does opensolaris live CD creates the first BE?[12:44:46] <vishalsaraswat24> Hi all[12:44:56] <vishalsaraswat24> any suggestions[12:45:36] <CosmicDJ> hm... could be using beadm[12:46:19] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[12:48:19] *** LordIllpalazoThe has quit IRC[12:50:43] <vishalsaraswat24> CosmicDJ : beadm requires an existing BE in order to create a new BE[12:51:04] <vishalsaraswat24> CosmicDJ : so how to create the first one?[12:51:21] *** vncsnvs is now known as Ataliba_Leonel[12:51:28] *** lesterc has quit IRC[12:54:18] <sickness> it gets created automatically the first time you "copy" it to create the new one[12:54:29] <sickness> (at least with the old LU on ufs method =)[12:54:38] *** Odin- has quit IRC[12:55:44] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[12:56:19] <vishalsaraswat24> whats it, in the "copy" it?[12:56:32] <vishalsaraswat24> sickness : whats it, in the "copy" it?[12:56:47] <nachox> guys, it is not possible to get a solaris 10 u4 from sun right?[12:57:13] <Stric> maybe if you ask your sun rep[12:57:33] *** encephalon has joined #opensolaris[13:00:07] *** carl- has quit IRC[13:03:49] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[13:09:12] <_Lewellyn> nachox: i bet it's possible[13:09:50] <nachox> _Lewellyn, how did it go yesterday with opera?[13:10:17] *** Ataliba_Leonel has quit IRC[13:10:34] <_Lewellyn> nachox: remember? it's in my menu now :)[13:10:44] <_Lewellyn> it's also my default web browser[13:11:07] <_Lewellyn> and xchat now has "Open Link in Browser" and a redundant "Open Link in Opera"[13:11:18] <nachox> it doesnt crash as often as firefox[13:12:35] <_Lewellyn> that's not saying much :([13:12:43] <nachox> when it does crash it doesnt die as firefox does though[13:13:13] <nachox> it just stays still till you kill it yourself :)[13:16:39] <_Lewellyn> hm. i can't figure out where solaris 10U4 is hidden. i know it's gotta be somewhere[13:18:58] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[13:20:57] <tsoome> why you need u4?[13:21:09] <tsoome> tp support existing environment?[13:21:12] <tsoome> to*[13:24:04] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[13:24:06] <gerryxiao> hello[13:25:09] <gerryxiao> how much big is one snapshot or BE?[13:25:18] <asyd> _Lewellyn: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/releases.jsp[13:25:20] <nachox> tsoome, a vmware farm, we have lots of OSs used for training[13:25:31] <trochej> gerryxiao: Depends on changes made to be/original fs[13:25:36] <asyd> u4 is 08/07 iirc[13:25:47] <trochej> gerryxiao: It grows with changes being made to filesystem[13:26:31] <trochej> gerryxiao: So, at start, it will take a very small amount of space, IIRC in kilobytes?[13:26:52] <gerryxiao> trochej: after create a new BE, can i delete default BE?[13:27:09] <tsoome> it is as big as much are changes to data[13:27:49] <gerryxiao> you mean that snapshot only hold difference[13:28:00] <tsoome> yes[13:28:20] <gerryxiao> cool[13:28:53] <tsoome> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/tivoli/library/t-snaptsm1/index.html[13:29:17] <gerryxiao> but how big is my current activating BE?[13:29:24] <xRaich[o]2x> beadm list[13:29:28] <trochej> gerryxiao: You can,. but you must first boot to new be[13:29:55] <tsoome> first link from google, seems quite decent explanation[13:30:45] <tsoome> at the end its some marketing bullshit ofc, but you can skip it:D[13:30:49] <gerryxiao> ok, next question: why cant i install softwares from reps?[13:31:10] <gerryxiao> i'm using 0906 preview[13:31:22] <gerryxiao> 108 build[13:31:53] <_Lewellyn> asyd: sweet. i knew there was a link somewhere. the hour keeps me from thinking right :P[13:32:40] <_Lewellyn> ooh. so the last chance to grab solaris 8 is soon?[13:32:59] <gerryxiao> when i want install softwares from solaris.org rep, i always got error[13:33:01] <_Lewellyn> or no, that's still not downloadable[13:33:08] <_Lewellyn> good thing i have boxes of media around[13:33:10] <flyingparchment> there's not much point in downloading S8 now, since they're about to drop all free support for it[13:33:24] *** g4lt-lappy has quit IRC[13:33:43] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: for "vintage" use? :)[13:33:54] <_Lewellyn> you can have a solaris 8 branded zone, after all :)[13:35:49] <Berny> you can't install a s8 branded zone from the media directly ;-)[13:40:55] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[13:41:23] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[13:42:50] <_Lewellyn> Berny: i know :)[13:43:05] <_Lewellyn> luckily, i have no need for s8/s9 branded zones :P[13:43:57] <gausus> re[13:44:09] <gausus> is there a way to install opensolaris using a text mode installer?[13:44:22] <trochej> gausus: USe sxce[13:46:24] *** sipior has left #opensolaris[13:48:58] *** odix67 has joined #opensolaris[13:56:13] * timeless puzzles[13:57:22] *** dunc has quit IRC[13:59:58] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[14:00:51] *** mroconnor_ has joined #opensolaris[14:05:12] *** cemerick has quit IRC[14:05:12] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[14:05:12] *** __ms has quit IRC[14:05:12] *** hsp has quit IRC[14:05:12] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[14:05:13] *** PicCard has quit IRC[14:05:13] *** ipfw has quit IRC[14:05:13] *** PatrickAle has quit IRC[14:05:13] *** segy has quit IRC[14:05:13] *** baijiutong has quit IRC[14:05:13] *** Cope has quit IRC[14:05:13] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[14:05:26] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** PatrickAle has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** segy has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** Cope has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris[14:05:26] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[14:06:09] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[14:06:42] *** oxygen-addict has joined #opensolaris[14:07:26] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[14:09:08] *** nico has joined #opensolaris[14:09:49] <nico> is there a way to get the zpool iostat in pure ruby/perl (without running the command) ?[14:11:07] <seanmcg> perl -e 'system(zpool iostat);' ? Otherwise, not that I know of. There a perl/<fave-lang> interface to libzfs ?[14:12:13] <CosmicDJ> hm... if zpool iostat uses kstat, you could use that[14:12:35] <CosmicDJ> http://search.cpan.org/~aburlison/Solaris-0.05a/Kstat/Kstat.pm[14:12:36] *** joanmarie has quit IRC[14:12:42] <nico> seanmcg: I'd like to avoid system[14:13:09] <nico> CosmicDJ: I looked into kstat, but I don't find the right module/section to use to make my stats[14:13:46] <sickness> vishalsaraswat24: look at this example: http://www.sickness.it/liveupgrade.txt[14:13:49] *** encephalon has quit IRC[14:15:15] *** Ollie_R_ has joined #opensolaris[14:16:32] <nico> kstat -m zfs only gives the arcstats[14:17:41] *** SolarisGuy has joined #opensolaris[14:19:15] *** vishalsaraswat24 has quit IRC[14:23:19] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[14:23:57] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[14:25:40] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[14:28:43] *** axisys_ has quit IRC[14:35:09] *** doc_nl has joined #opensolaris[14:35:38] *** pablomh_Wrk has joined #OpenSolaris[14:36:32] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[14:37:00] *** servo- has quit IRC[14:37:42] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[14:38:39] <christophsturm> can a zfs raid5 grow in size by adding a harddisk?[14:39:01] <fraggeln> christophsturm: you need to add at least 3 in a set to make it work[14:39:12] <fraggeln> you cant just add one to a raidz(2) set[14:39:34] <tsoome> zfs cant do relayout[14:41:46] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[14:41:59] <christophsturm> is there a plan to implement that at a later time?[14:41:59] <christophsturm> I want a raid5 that starts with 4 disks and can grow to 8[14:41:59] <christophsturm> some hardware raid controllers like 3ware can do that but it seems theres no software raid that can[14:43:27] *** anilg has quit IRC[14:45:04] <jbit> christophsturm: you can add three hdds at a time i guess :)[14:45:22] <TomJ> though technically that's different, as you then have 2 x raidz = 2 disks of redundancy instead of 1[14:45:34] <jbit> TomJ: true :)[14:45:39] <TomJ> it's not a priority of sun's to implement growing by adding a disk, they've said[14:45:53] <TomJ> but you can grow an array by replacing all the disks with bigger ones (one by one)[14:47:38] <monsted> how do we make it a priority of sun? :)[14:47:57] <tsoome> you dont wanna grow your raid5 too large anyhow[14:48:54] <fraggeln> I rather see its possible to shrink a fs :D[14:49:12] <CosmicDJ> monsted: buy lots of systems/support etc. and say that you really really need this (waving with some dollars in your hand doing that ;))[14:49:31] <timsf> monsted: yep, what CosmicDJ said.[14:50:10] <timsf> or alternatively, post a patch to zfs-discuss implementing said functionality...[14:50:15] <seanmcg> or nag codestr0m, it was on his list of possible things to do :)[14:50:17] <tsoome> fraggeln: i suspect you wont see it:D[14:50:29] <monsted> codestr0m: fix it! :)[14:50:46] <Andys^> part of the problem is sun only sells systems full of disks[14:50:51] <Andys^> so no one needs to add to a raidz ;)[14:51:06] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/ahl/entry/expand_o_matic_raid_z[14:51:14] <fraggeln> tsoome: no, Im afraid I wont :/[14:51:15] <Andys^> but for home users / opensolaris, growing a raidz one disk a time makes alot more snse[14:51:47] <tsoome> yes, and once you have load of disks in raid group, loosing all the data will make sense as well....[14:51:51] * codestr0m ears perk up[14:52:44] <tsoome> disks wont stop to die just because they are included in zpool[14:53:07] *** SolarisGuy has quit IRC[14:53:50] <codestr0m> monsted: what should I fix?[14:54:04] <monsted> codestr0m: zpool expansion :)[14:54:16] <codestr0m> monsted: why me? sun guys are working on it :)[14:54:27] <monsted> timsf said i should bug you until it worked! :)[14:54:31] <CosmicDJ> codestr0m: start with the financial crisis, then middle east, then... ah damn, this could go on forever[14:54:40] <timsf> It was seanmcg...[14:54:48] <monsted> oh, sorry[14:54:55] <monsted> yeah, blame seanmcg instead[14:54:59] * seanmcg hides[14:55:13] * codestr0m blindly steps in front[14:55:20] <monsted> .. of a bus?[14:55:22] * codestr0m gets hit by bus[14:55:33] <monsted> heh[14:55:59] <CosmicDJ> monsted: seems like you'll have to DIY ;)[14:56:41] * monsted steals a HDS box and ignores zraid completely[14:56:45] <xRaich[o]2x> CosmicDJ: why fix anything? mankind will blow itself up anyway[14:56:51] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[14:58:01] *** eugene has joined #opensolaris[14:58:22] <CosmicDJ> who knows...[15:00:27] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[15:00:33] *** webmink has joined #opensolaris[15:01:30] *** anilg1 is now known as anilg[15:03:27] *** proberts has quit IRC[15:03:44] *** wdp_ has joined #opensolaris[15:04:32] *** bindaas has left #opensolaris[15:04:33] *** Maverick has joined #opensolaris[15:06:35] *** eugene has left #opensolaris[15:07:50] *** jsoft_ has quit IRC[15:08:17] *** gehmehgeh has quit IRC[15:13:33] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[15:15:43] *** iceq has joined #opensolaris[15:16:57] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:17:06] *** Odin- has quit IRC[15:17:17] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[15:18:10] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[15:20:49] *** wdp__ has quit IRC[15:23:09] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[15:23:14] *** sipior has left #opensolaris[15:24:17] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[15:24:49] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[15:24:57] <codestr0m> ok. quick question.. I have a buddy installing sol10 on a netra t1 with a 9GB hd.. what's the best way to get the smallest functional install?[15:25:06] <codestr0m> (no sarcasm please)[15:25:14] * codestr0m prepares for sarcasm[15:25:19] <mui> install core[15:26:04] *** epitaphredux has joined #opensolaris[15:30:24] <nachox> codestr0m, cant he netboot it from somewhere with a bigger storage? :)[15:30:27] *** ken-work has quit IRC[15:31:17] <codestr0m> nachox: The admin may join here and ask.. and I assume with a netra that old.. there's probably nothing bigger around[15:31:21] *** jacksond has joined #opensolaris[15:31:56] <tsoome> what is the purpose of that server?[15:32:04] <asyd> replace forums.os.org![15:32:06] * asyd hides[15:32:25] <epitaphredux> is this about me? I. e. someone mst mentioned?[15:32:32] <epitaphredux> the netra stuff[15:33:32] <Maverick> Hi all .. one question.. Can i make an existing zpool into a BE? like lucreate[15:33:33] <epitaphredux> codestr0m, I guess it was you he was talking to (he just said "join #opensolaris and didn't say who he was talking to)[15:33:58] <codestr0m> epitaphredux: yeah.. mui recommended "install core" if that's an option[15:34:17] <epitaphredux> OK, lemme see if I can do that[15:34:31] <CosmicDJ> you won't get much with that[15:34:42] <CosmicDJ> IIRC a full install needs approx 7gb[15:34:43] <nachox> you get ksh :)[15:35:05] <nachox> an opensolaris needs about 4[15:35:06] <CosmicDJ> but that machine is really old, sounds perfect for netbsd or openbsd :)[15:35:43] <tsoome> codestr0m: stripping down os is easy, but cant be the target by itself; stripping down means only you wanna save disk space; running lightweight os - it can be done with full install as well.[15:35:49] <epitaphredux> "Entire Distribution" is 9.3G[15:36:02] *** pablomh_Wrk has quit IRC[15:36:07] *** odix67 has quit IRC[15:36:22] <codestr0m> tsoome: well. I can size reduce my project to 60M.. the bloated install is 400M[15:36:35] <codestr0m> however, I don't include a lot of deps still so not ready to push[15:36:50] *** luc__ has quit IRC[15:37:00] <nachox> entire distribution includes things like staroffice....[15:37:15] <flyingparchment> uh, S10 entire distribution is like 4G on x86[15:37:16] <nachox> and who knows how many versions of java[15:37:16] <CosmicDJ> uh I always deselect that :)[15:37:21] <flyingparchment> i find it hard to believe it's twice as large on sparc[15:37:24] <tsoome> it all depends what you wanna do with server. it is possible to run plain kernel, but i doubt its something you wanna do...[15:37:34] <epitaphredux> it's right in front of me ;)[15:37:44] <epitaphredux> that's with the defaults of course[15:37:45] <nachox> flyingparchment, sparc binaries are twice as big? :)[15:39:02] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[15:39:25] *** SYS64738 has joined #opensolaris[15:39:26] *** nico has left #opensolaris[15:41:14] * codestr0m turns on -xspace[15:41:24] <IvanR_> Maverick: Yes, if you update your live upgrade packages from the recent builds, lucreate can make a BE on a pool from an existing ufs root.[15:41:33] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[15:42:18] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[15:43:55] <codestr0m> epitaphredux: did you get your question answered?[15:44:31] <epitaphredux> codestr0m, OK, well, it should have 9.1G discs in it, but now I get here it seems they're 18.2... *sigh* I'm going ahead with the "install core" - I figure a first install is gonna be a bit of a practice run[15:46:12] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[15:46:49] *** proberts has quit IRC[15:47:04] *** proberts has joined #opensolaris[15:47:12] <SYS64738> is it possible to install vmware on opensolaris ?[15:47:22] <nachox> epitaphredux, take LU into consideration when you slice your disk[15:47:24] <asyd> no, but you have virtualbox[15:47:27] <SYS64738> I need to play a windows installed on a real partition[15:47:36] <epitaphredux> nachox, LU?[15:47:45] <nachox> live upgrade[15:47:46] <SYS64738> I think that virtualbox cannot access to physical partition[15:47:51] <epitaphredux> ah[15:48:05] <nachox> SYS64738, there is also Xen in SXCE[15:48:43] <SYS64738> ok[15:48:45] <epitaphredux> well, it's installing. Like I say I figure this one for a trial run, not having installed Solaris or even significantly used it since about 2.6[15:48:51] <epitaphredux> thanks for the help[15:49:03] <epitaphredux> codestr0m ^^[15:49:09] <codestr0m> epitaphredux: np[15:49:10] <epitaphredux> nachox ^^[15:49:25] <epitaphredux> I might need to hassle you again at some point though ;)[15:50:46] <codestr0m> epitaphredux: feel free to also join #ospkg and we can both hassle mst[15:51:11] <epitaphredux> heh, OK[15:53:13] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[15:53:34] <nachox> i cant believe solaris 9 boots with only 128 mb of ram[15:54:59] <Maverick> Ivan_R .. can i do it using beadm?[15:55:03] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[15:55:53] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[15:56:09] <IvanR_> Maverick: Are you running opensolaris or solaris express?[15:58:17] *** wms has joined #opensolaris[15:59:34] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[16:00:18] <IvanR_> If you're on opensolaris, then "beadm create" will do much the same, and handle the zfs snapshot and clone for you.[16:01:16] *** MattMan has quit IRC[16:02:35] <Maverick> IvanR_ beadm requires an existing BE.. which opensolaris live cd would have created.. what if i do not have an existing BE[16:02:51] <Maverick> And im using opensolaris[16:05:42] <Maverick> I have a minimal opensolaris live cd created using DistroConstructor..[16:06:11] <Maverick> but If i want to create a BE out of a HDD from the live CD without using gui-install i'm unable to do so[16:07:17] *** sipior has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** Odin- has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** servo- has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** PicCard has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** __ms has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** baijiutong has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** PatrickAle has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** segy has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** cemerick has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** ipfw has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** Cope has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** hsp has quit IRC[16:07:17] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[16:07:26] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** PatrickAle has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** segy has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** Cope has joined #opensolaris[16:07:26] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris[16:07:27] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[16:07:31] *** ricardo has joined #opensolaris[16:07:51] *** Jiraia has quit IRC[16:08:36] *** PatrickA1e has joined #opensolaris[16:08:36] *** PatrickAle has quit IRC[16:09:43] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[16:09:51] <IvanR_> Hmm, I haven't touched the install side, I suspect you'll need to figure out how beadm tracks the BEs and simulate that.[16:10:01] *** ricardo has quit IRC[16:10:12] <IvanR_> If the install code had text support I'd think it would handle that for you[16:11:30] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[16:11:56] *** gaveen has quit IRC[16:14:38] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[16:14:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[16:15:34] <nachox> crap, iirc solaris 9 had problems with windows dhcp server, right?[16:15:56] <nachox> for some reason it would not update resolv.conf,[16:16:00] *** doc_nl has quit IRC[16:17:27] *** derchris has quit IRC[16:19:22] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris[16:23:47] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC[16:23:52] *** carl- has quit IRC[16:25:44] *** init3 has quit IRC[16:26:27] *** init3 has joined #opensolaris[16:27:28] <nachox> right, i forgot to add the relevant numbers to /etc/default/dhcpagent[16:27:44] <IvanR_> Maverick: Ah ha! http://albertptobey.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-opensolaris-is-growing-on-me.html[16:28:07] <IvanR_> Down at the part with "zfs set org.opensolaris.libbe"[16:28:28] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[16:30:29] *** Jiraia has quit IRC[16:31:25] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[16:34:02] *** hsp_ has joined #opensolaris[16:34:14] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC[16:34:14] *** servo- has quit IRC[16:34:14] *** sipior has quit IRC[16:34:14] *** PicCard has quit IRC[16:34:14] *** __ms has quit IRC[16:34:14] *** baijiutong has quit IRC[16:34:15] *** segy has quit IRC[16:34:15] *** ipfw has quit IRC[16:34:15] *** Cope has quit IRC[16:34:15] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[16:34:15] *** hsp has quit IRC[16:34:15] *** Odin- has quit IRC[16:34:15] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[16:34:20] *** hsp_ is now known as hsp[16:34:44] <Maverick> IvanR_ I dont understand ? Wht should i look at[16:35:25] *** Cope has joined #opensolaris[16:35:27] *** segy has joined #opensolaris[16:36:24] <held> hmm can a raidz1 be converted to a raidz2 "on the fly"?[16:37:32] *** imarambiocatan_ has joined #opensolaris[16:37:42] <JWheeler_> no, it can't[16:37:53] *** not-me-guv has joined #opensolaris[16:37:55] <JWheeler_> we can't even add another disk to an existing raidz*[16:38:07] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[16:38:07] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[16:38:07] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[16:38:07] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[16:38:07] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[16:38:07] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[16:38:07] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[16:38:07] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris[16:38:07] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[16:38:32] <IvanR_> Maverick: beadm looks for the org.opensolaris.libbe properties on a filesystem under <poolname>/ROOT[16:38:37] *** seanmcg_ has joined #opensolaris[16:38:38] <held> bummer[16:39:02] <JWheeler_> yeah, it's frustrating and it just doesn't seem to be getting any attention[16:39:46] <JWheeler_> it's the kind of thing that you just have to architect around really. I knew that it wasn't available so I just made the decision to go with an 8/8 disk sata2 card, maxxed it out and crossed my fingers[16:40:01] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[16:40:12] <IvanR_> I make rpool/ROOT/test, then set canmount, mountpoint, libbe:policy & libbe:uuid, now "beadm list" shows it.[16:40:14] <JWheeler_> 2 years later, I've nearly filled it up, and I guess I'll probably just build a new array with much larger disks anyway, rather than adding another 300GB one in there[16:40:30] <JWheeler_> 300 was the best $/GB at the time (2 years ago remember)[16:40:48] <held> mhm...[16:40:49] <JWheeler_> so all in all, that feature hasn't really been a big hassle, but it still would be really nice to have[16:41:07] <held> yeah, it would have been cool.[16:41:23] <held> and i should have known about raidz2 before i made the raidz array 8)[16:41:45] *** servo- has quit IRC[16:41:45] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC[16:41:45] *** PicCard has quit IRC[16:41:45] *** __ms has quit IRC[16:41:45] *** baijiutong has quit IRC[16:41:45] *** ipfw has quit IRC[16:41:45] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[16:41:45] *** Odin- has quit IRC[16:41:45] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[16:42:13] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[16:42:13] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[16:42:13] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[16:42:13] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[16:42:13] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[16:42:13] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[16:42:13] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[16:42:13] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris[16:42:13] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[16:42:13] *** nachox has quit IRC[16:42:19] *** imarambiocatan_ is now known as nachox[16:42:19] <JWheeler_> When I started off, I was just using it for media storage, TV shows, music and the like. Today it's serving up iscsi vzols for VMware, and having a single RAIDz1 isn't flash at all for performance[16:42:25] <Maverick> IvanR_ : did u try this? where do i get UUID from?[16:42:34] <JWheeler_> I'd probably stripe 2x4disk raidz's today, but I can't migrate it :([16:43:56] <IvanR_> Maverick: I made one up, it needs it needs to be in the same format ( 8-4-4-4-12 ) and unique from your other BEs, which is fine since you don't have any others now[16:44:31] *** dpapdi has joined #opensolaris[16:44:40] *** narmac has quit IRC[16:44:50] *** pablomh has quit IRC[16:44:53] <chrisg> re will[16:44:56] <chrisg> er oops[16:44:56] <chrisg> wc[16:45:05] *** pgr has quit IRC[16:45:08] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[16:45:24] *** cemerick has quit IRC[16:45:24] *** servo- has quit IRC[16:45:24] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC[16:45:24] *** PicCard has quit IRC[16:45:24] *** __ms has quit IRC[16:45:24] *** baijiutong has quit IRC[16:45:24] *** ipfw has quit IRC[16:45:24] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[16:45:25] *** Odin- has quit IRC[16:45:25] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[16:45:46] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[16:45:46] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[16:45:46] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[16:45:46] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[16:45:46] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[16:45:46] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[16:45:46] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[16:45:46] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[16:45:46] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris[16:45:46] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris[16:47:22] *** sponix2ipfw has joined #opensolaris[16:47:32] *** niq has quit IRC[16:47:46] *** servo- has quit IRC[16:47:46] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC[16:47:46] *** PicCard has quit IRC[16:47:46] *** __ms has quit IRC[16:47:46] *** baijiutong has quit IRC[16:47:46] *** ipfw has quit IRC[16:47:46] *** seanmcg has quit IRC[16:47:47] *** Odin- has quit IRC[16:47:47] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[16:47:47] *** cemerick has quit IRC[16:48:47] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris[16:50:42] *** baijiutong has joined #opensolaris[16:50:44] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[16:51:37] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[16:51:58] *** nightstrike_ has joined #opensolaris[16:52:38] <Maverick> IvaR_ does it have to be in rpool/ROOT[16:53:09] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[16:53:29] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[16:53:45] *** narmac has joined #opensolaris[16:54:31] *** servo- has joined #opensolaris[16:55:03] <IvanR_> Yes, if I move my test filesystem out of rpool/ROOT, beadm no longer shows it[16:55:16] <IvanR_> well, zfs rename that is[16:56:52] *** phimic has quit IRC[16:57:50] <Maverick> Thanx IvanR_ .. It really worked. .Wonder of Wonders[16:58:06] <IvanR_> If you're booted on your current / and can't rename it, then snapshot & clone it into a 2nd fs[16:58:21] <Maverick> ok[16:59:14] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[17:00:01] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[17:04:02] *** nightstrike_ has quit IRC[17:05:18] *** dpapdi has quit IRC[17:08:59] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[17:19:55] *** wewek has quit IRC[17:21:00] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[17:23:58] <epitaphredux> codestr0m, failed.... it got yo "Installing boot information" and then just stopped. I rebooted after an hour and no Solaris. I'll give it another shot in a mo[17:24:58] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[17:33:03] *** drmcgn has joined #opensolaris[17:36:08] *** palowoda has quit IRC[17:36:47] *** fexy has joined #opensolaris[17:36:59] *** sergiusens has joined #opensolaris[17:37:13] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[17:38:04] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[17:38:09] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[17:39:01] *** sophokles has left #opensolaris[17:39:52] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[17:40:31] *** vcabba has joined #opensolaris[17:41:45] *** anilg has quit IRC[17:42:58] *** kim0 has quit IRC[17:43:44] *** nightstrike_ has joined #opensolaris[17:44:33] <vcabba> Hello, everybody! Can someone help me: I got VirtualBox 1.6.2 & OpenSolaris.2008.11.RC2.vdi & its fail to load - dont know why - boot then reboot again and again...[17:45:32] *** narmac has quit IRC[17:45:46] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[17:46:16] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[17:47:28] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[17:47:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[17:48:28] *** jacksond has quit IRC[17:49:01] *** vcabba has left #opensolaris[17:50:09] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[17:50:39] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[17:51:03] *** crichardso has joined #opensolaris[17:51:21] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[17:55:58] *** arpunk has quit IRC[17:58:34] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[17:58:59] *** div110 has quit IRC[17:59:48] *** PinkFreud has quit IRC[18:00:23] *** Caino has quit IRC[18:00:46] *** Caino has joined #OpenSolaris[18:02:06] *** Caino has quit IRC[18:02:46] *** Caino has joined #OpenSolaris[18:06:39] *** jacksond has joined #opensolaris[18:07:34] *** jfisc has quit IRC[18:08:55] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[18:13:51] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[18:14:21] *** stevel has quit IRC[18:17:47] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[18:19:23] *** sactodave has left #opensolaris[18:24:41] *** timsf has quit IRC[18:25:09] *** Maverick has quit IRC[18:25:19] *** sactodave has joined #opensolaris[18:26:44] *** christophsturm has joined #opensolaris[18:31:00] *** dunc has quit IRC[18:31:51] *** Jiraia has joined #opensolaris[18:32:22] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[18:34:50] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[18:34:59] <Tusk2> Hello[18:35:00] *** cypromis has quit IRC[18:35:43] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[18:36:27] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:36:59] *** mikefut has quit IRC[18:37:23] *** sipior has left #opensolaris[18:37:30] *** alfism has quit IRC[18:37:47] *** anilg1 has quit IRC[18:38:35] *** ricardo has joined #opensolaris[18:39:04] *** Jiraia has quit IRC[18:39:11] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[18:39:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[18:39:43] *** ricardo is now known as jiraia[18:40:32] *** init3 has quit IRC[18:43:20] *** joanie has joined #opensolaris[18:48:12] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC[18:48:13] *** vncsnvs has joined #opensolaris[18:48:29] *** bignos has joined #opensolaris[18:48:46] <bignos> is there a working vlc package anywhere yet? I'm dyin here without video codecs.[18:50:51] <vncsnvs> solaris is very unstable[18:51:13] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:51:17] <CosmicDJ> is it? I haven't seen a real panic, yet[18:53:38] <Tusk2> solaris unstable?[18:53:42] <Tusk2> O_o[18:53:58] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[18:54:11] <mui> solaris is very unstable if hardware isnt well supported or faulty (:[18:54:31] <bignos> or if the sysadmin is unstable[18:54:32] *** drmcgn has quit IRC[18:58:49] *** jacksond has quit IRC[19:03:03] *** twisti_ is now known as twisti[19:03:14] <_Lewellyn> bignos: it deals with that well, too :)[19:03:17] <_Lewellyn> look at my boxes ;)[19:07:39] <bignos> anyone know what SUNWslpu is? vlc from opencsw requires it, i can't find a damn thing about it[19:09:05] <_Lewellyn> according to pkginfo -l SUNWslpu:[19:09:14] <_Lewellyn> DESC: Usr filesystem portion of the Service Location Protocol (SLP) framework. Included are C and Java developer libraries and a daemon which can act as a directory agent (DA).[19:09:32] <bignos> i'll be more specific : any idea where i get it?[19:10:11] <CosmicDJ> solaris 10 dvd ;)[19:10:17] <_Lewellyn> sxce[19:10:39] <_Lewellyn> that's how i got it ;)[19:10:47] <_Lewellyn> i bet pkg users can snarf it somehow[19:11:08] <vncsnvs> need to give Lithium 2 my solaris[19:11:11] <CosmicDJ> IIRC opencsw doesn't provide opensolaris pkgs (yet?)[19:11:29] <bignos> yeah, but most of their solaris packages work.[19:11:40] <bignos> i'm open to other ways to get vlc[19:11:45] <_Lewellyn> SFE[19:11:51] <bignos> what is that?[19:11:56] <_Lewellyn> spec-files-extra[19:12:21] <_Lewellyn> you on sxce or osol?[19:12:26] <bignos> osol[19:12:52] <_Lewellyn> http://blogs.sun.com/mattman/entry/how_to_build_jds_on[19:13:00] * timeless cries[19:13:07] <_Lewellyn> there's a newer version of pkgbuild when you get to step 5, btw.[19:13:25] <_Lewellyn> 1.3.98[19:13:31] <_Lewellyn> timeless: ?[19:14:15] *** BlueAidan_work has quit IRC[19:14:40] <timelE61i> _lewellyn: pastebin.mozilla.org/629917[19:15:20] <_Lewellyn> oh nice![19:15:43] <bda> ENOSWAP[19:15:55] <Tusk2> sexy :D[19:16:08] <timelE61i> bda: think there's enough ram for me to add swap?[19:16:14] <bda> What?[19:16:46] <bda> Watch vmstat -S while you're doing stuff. Look at dmesg or /var/adm/messages. Maybe I'm wrong. See swap -lh.[19:17:01] <timelE61i> Well, i'm certainly not going to run man on that box...[19:18:23] <timeless> my guess is that /tmpfs flooded[19:18:39] <timeless> although it could be zfs-arc cache[19:18:39] <_Lewellyn> often :)[19:18:46] * timeless doesn't know anything about this stuff[19:19:01] <timeless> timeless@swift:~% ssh swift2[19:19:01] <_Lewellyn> lots of people drop things in /tmp and then wonder why things stop working right[19:19:08] <timeless> Received disconnect from swift2: 2: fork failed: Not enough space[19:19:09] <_Lewellyn> do you have lom?[19:19:25] *** arpunk has joined #opensolaris[19:20:13] <timeless> lom?[19:20:23] *** colyte_ is now known as colyte[19:21:00] <_Lewellyn> lights-out management[19:21:31] <timeless> if it didn't come for free w/ osol2008.11 or an upgrade through to 107, then no[19:22:02] <timeless> /tmp (swap ): 70232 blocks 551158 files[19:23:45] * timeless blames fmtutil: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/629921[19:23:47] <_Lewellyn> it's a hardware thing[19:24:37] *** joanie has left #opensolaris[19:25:23] *** gnut has quit IRC[19:25:31] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[19:28:02] * timeless sighs as vmstat causes bash to die -- again[19:28:39] *** jbit has quit IRC[19:28:40] <timeless> so, i definitely need to get zone memory restrictions configured before i make swift2 real[19:28:53] <timeless> ok, is there a way for me to use /proc to get mem stats?[19:29:12] *** dguitar has joined #opensolaris[19:29:28] <_Lewellyn> er... per process, yes[19:29:44] <timeless> even 'cd' killed bash[19:29:56] <_Lewellyn> rm /tmp/*[19:30:01] *** paul___ is now known as paul[19:30:01] * timeless kciks gisburn[19:30:10] <_Lewellyn> with luck, trying it a few times will make it work :)[19:30:15] <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/629923[19:30:17] <_Lewellyn> just 1 file may do it[19:32:02] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[19:32:12] * timeless doesn't think this is working very well[19:32:41] <timeless> i have 3 screen windows left in one shell and when i lose all 3, my access to the box goes away[19:33:49] *** danroberts has joined #opensolaris[19:36:48] <_Lewellyn> timeless: try sshing in with no tty[19:36:58] <timeless> timeless@swift:~% ssh swift2 /usr/bin/vmstat -S[19:37:00] <timeless> ?[19:37:09] <timeless> (it's been sitting there for a while)[19:37:27] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[19:38:20] <_Lewellyn> ssh -Tx user@box command[19:38:31] <_Lewellyn> that could be a bit better on resources[19:39:07] <timeless> is there a cheaper shell that i could convert my existing 'bash' to?[19:39:11] <_Lewellyn> ksh[19:39:12] <timeless> i have one, maybe two left[19:39:26] <_Lewellyn> but that won't help[19:39:37] <timeless> can i exec ksh such that bash's memory is given to ksh?[19:39:46] <_Lewellyn> not "really"[19:39:53] *** nightstrike_ has quit IRC[19:40:26] <_Lewellyn> you can, but it won't have the results you expect for this situation, i think[19:40:50] <_Lewellyn> i'd still try sshing in without x forwarding and with no tty[19:40:54] <IvanR_> timeless: Is there some process running loose, or just swap 100% full?[19:41:05] <timeless> ivanr_: no way to know :)[19:41:06] <_Lewellyn> IvanR_: i think someone filled /tmp[19:41:12] <_Lewellyn> that's what the pastes look like[19:41:15] <timeless> there was a zone upgrading[19:41:34] <timeless> but i emptied that zone's image of /tmp[19:41:47] <_Lewellyn> it won't free if it's still in use[19:41:48] <timeless> it didn't seem to help the numbers[19:42:33] <timeless> vmstat -S still hasn't done anything[19:43:05] <timeless> is there an sftp program? and if i try to use it, am i likely to have my sshd die? :)[19:43:35] <bda> Did you give it an interval? Is free low? Lots of swapping? df -k | grep /tmp$ ; is it full (is it backed by swap?)[19:43:42] <_Lewellyn> use: ssh -Tx swift2 rm /tmp/*[19:44:00] <_Lewellyn> that may remove just enough to get you going[19:44:05] <timeless> no, i didn't give it an interval, i wouldn't have known to do that :)[19:44:20] *** vncsnvs has quit IRC[19:44:27] <timeless> and i basically can't run any commands, so df -k | grep is almost certain to cost me a shell[19:44:27] <_Lewellyn> and pkill firefox-bin :)[19:44:38] <bda> Heh.[19:44:39] <timeless> there's a forkbomb[19:44:40] <bda> +1[19:44:57] <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/629932[19:45:00] <_Lewellyn> timeless: have you tried sshing in with those options yet?[19:45:10] <timeless> timeless@swift:~% ssh -Tx swift2 /usr/bin/vmstat -S[19:45:10] <timeless> ^C[19:45:17] * timeless goes to try to kill the fork bomb[19:45:24] *** nachox has quit IRC[19:45:26] <IvanR_> Hmm, by a particular user?[19:45:41] <timeless> ivanr: root in a zone i'd assume[19:47:00] *** TrickFinlay2 has quit IRC[19:47:39] <IvanR_> pkill -STOP <command name>, might have to find the parent and stop it too[19:49:06] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:49:48] <timeless> fsck[19:49:56] <timeless> i think i just lost my terminal to the forker[19:50:19] *** spiki has quit IRC[19:50:43] *** spiki has joined #opensolaris[19:51:37] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[19:52:52] * timeless cries[19:53:08] <timeless> root on swift2 actually answered w/ a challenge, but i don't have the key for it[19:53:32] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[19:53:43] *** jacksond has joined #opensolaris[19:54:01] <timeless> should pkill -9 -t pts/1[19:54:05] <timeless> work?[19:54:14] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[19:54:19] *** jacksond has quit IRC[19:54:36] <timeless> ok, pkill saved me[19:54:38] <timeless> thanks :)[19:54:45] <timeless> r b w swap free si so pi po fr de sr s4 s5 -- -- in sy cs us sy id[19:54:45] <timeless> 0 0 0 3025052 2473872 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 -1 0 0 352 293 178 0 0 100[19:54:57] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[19:55:22] <elektronkind> sr incrementing[19:55:26] <elektronkind> badness[19:56:22] *** Qball has joined #opensolaris[19:56:24] <Qball> hi all[19:56:28] <timeless> sr pages scanned by clock algorithm[19:56:32] <timeless> doesn't really mean much to me[19:56:55] <_Lewellyn> still increasing?[19:56:59] <elektronkind> the page scanner kicks in when memory pressure is high (little RAM left) and the kernel is searching for stuff to swap out[19:57:11] <elektronkind> sr = scan rate[19:57:13] <_Lewellyn> it's possible it was recovering from the pkill[19:57:15] <Qball> stupid question. how do I install extra repositories for f.e. git and programs like that? (running latest dev build on my aa1)[19:57:20] <timeless> numbers don't seem to be moving[19:57:37] <timeless> free is up a few bytes[19:58:12] *** mroconnor_ has joined #opensolaris[19:58:13] * _Lewellyn is glad he was recommended sxce, with all the questions about installing software... o_O[19:58:38] <timeless> timeless@swift:~$ pkg search -lr git[19:58:41] <timeless> description set git pkg:/SUNWgit at 1 dot 5.6.5-0.108[19:58:50] <timeless> not much need to add a repo for git[19:59:09] <Qball> hmm[19:59:19] <timeless> it's in 105 and newer[19:59:41] <timeless> if you're using older then you'd want to pkg image-update first (and probably have ot upgrade pkg too, but it'll walk you through that)[20:00:05] <timeless> timeless@swift:~$ pkg authority[20:00:05] <timeless> AUTHORITY URL[20:00:05] <timeless> opensolaris.org http://pkg.opensolaris.org/release/[20:00:05] <timeless> dev (preferred) http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev/[20:00:14] <timeless> you probably also need 'dev' added, man pkg[20:00:23] * timeless doesn't remember what /release/ is at[20:00:25] <Qball> hmm running 108 from cd..[20:00:27] <Qball> does not find it[20:00:49] <Stric> timeless: 101b or so[20:00:49] <Qball> lets rebuild index[20:01:06] <timeless> timeless@swift:~$ pkg info -r SUNWgit[20:01:46] <_Lewellyn> 788 lewellyn@cheshire-cat:/home/lewellyn$ pkginfo -l SUNWgit # ;)[20:02:03] <timeless> 0 0 0 3025268 2474084 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 -1 0 0 352 293 178 0 0 100[20:02:07] <_Lewellyn> wow. 366 installed pathnames.[20:02:13] <timeless> so... is my kernel just *slowly* recovering?[20:02:19] <_Lewellyn> timeless: likely[20:02:31] *** Ein2015|Laptop has joined #opensolaris[20:02:33] <_Lewellyn> take a smoke/coffee/whatever break and see what's up after[20:02:36] <timeless> so i should get dinner and sleep and maybe tomorrow it'll be alive[20:02:51] <_Lewellyn> don't wander off for too long... just in case...[20:02:59] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[20:03:06] <timeless> it's already snapshotted, it's a staging box, and it lives in a usb disk[20:03:15] <timeless> and i don't think it's going to attack the network :)[20:03:31] <timeless> i suppose i could halt nexenta[20:03:44] <Ein2015|Laptop> usba: [ID 691482 kern.warning] WARNING: /pci@0,0/pci1019,7002@3,3 (ehci0): Connecting device on port 2 failed[20:03:45] <Qball> argh still not[20:03:48] <_Lewellyn> that would probably free up some resources to help recovery[20:03:52] <Ein2015|Laptop> what does that message mean?[20:04:23] *** xente has joined #opensolaris[20:04:31] <timeless> Ein2015: issues w/ usb device :)[20:04:35] <Ein2015|Laptop> well yes :)[20:04:44] <_Lewellyn> that's about all it says[20:04:47] <Ein2015|Laptop> i've had the hardest time getting OS to recognize any flash drives[20:04:59] <Ein2015|Laptop> i dont have a network connection because i dont have the driver on there[20:05:06] <Ein2015|Laptop> i cant get the driver on there because i cant get a flash drive on there[20:05:13] *** xente has left #opensolaris[20:05:19] <Ein2015|Laptop> i *suppose* i could burn the driver to a CD[20:05:39] <_Lewellyn> mine all work out-of-the-box with 108[20:05:50] <Ein2015|Laptop> lucky[20:06:00] <Ein2015|Laptop> maybe it's just this mobo *le sigh*[20:06:15] <timeless> so... tomorrow i get to try to setup resource limitations for that zone[20:06:18] <Ein2015|Laptop> no probs with old mobo + ubuntu... new mobo + OS = headache.[20:06:21] *** DottorZero has quit IRC[20:06:22] <timeless> i don't need it going haywire again :)[20:06:50] <_Lewellyn> Ein2015|Laptop: works fine on my intel 945-based laptop[20:06:59] <_Lewellyn> that's all i can say :)[20:07:11] *** ricardo has joined #opensolaris[20:07:41] *** jiraia has quit IRC[20:07:47] <Ein2015|Laptop> :\[20:08:04] <Ein2015|Laptop> i dont want to give up on OS because i want xVM, but i may have to *cries*[20:08:33] <_Lewellyn> or figure out the actual problem so it gets fixed[20:08:41] <_Lewellyn> that "failed" message is very generic[20:08:51] <_Lewellyn> there's usually better info surrounding it[20:09:33] <Ein2015|Laptop> well help me get to that... i dont know all the tools at my disposal here, i'm just an intermediate *nix user[20:09:37] <Ein2015|Laptop> :)[20:09:43] <_Lewellyn> wait. 1019 is via... that much i know. isn't 7002 a vga device id?[20:09:51] * _Lewellyn googles[20:09:56] <Ein2015|Laptop> :D[20:10:03] * Ein2015|Laptop appreciates the help[20:10:03] <Qball> why is opensolaris running out of 1 gig memory[20:10:18] <_Lewellyn> guess not[20:10:30] <_Lewellyn> Qball: you're using zfs.[20:10:34] <eviljames> Qball: Probably due to activitiy on the machine... I have a home file server w/ only 1 gb and it runs fine...[20:10:54] <_Lewellyn> eviljames: but you've probably tuned your zfs :)[20:11:05] <_Lewellyn> Qball: or, you're storing lots of stuff in /tmp[20:11:07] <eviljames> Tuning is evil![20:11:09] <Qball> hmmm wth top just got killed[20:11:26] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[20:11:34] <_Lewellyn> try to avoid using /tmp on solaris :)[20:11:37] <Ein2015|Laptop> _Lewellyn: last time i came in here everybody blamed my flash drive... so i got my roommate's flash drive and that doesnt work either.[20:11:51] <_Lewellyn> Ein2015|Laptop: that error makes it impossible to tell :([20:12:04] <_Lewellyn> what make/model is your usb controller[20:12:11] <_Lewellyn> it's a via something, surely[20:12:16] <Ein2015|Laptop> some crap on the mobo, let me check[20:13:22] <IvanR_> timeless: You might want to put a size limit on /tmp with the size= option[20:13:32] <Ein2015|Laptop> the device driver utility program is saying it sees 3 SIS USB controllers[20:13:35] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[20:13:40] <Ein2015|Laptop> 2 are USB 1.1 and one is USB 2.0[20:13:52] <Ein2015|Laptop> let me check with the written hardware in documentation real fast[20:15:59] <Qball> hmmm pkg is using all 1 gig memory[20:16:36] <Stric> pkg is using too much memory, yes[20:18:41] <homeboy> i'm trying to change mtu for nge0 interface with dladm but it says "cannot set link property 'mtu' on 'nge': invalid argument". i can change other properties but not this one for some reason..[20:20:12] <bda> Use ifconfig?[20:20:38] <_Lewellyn> so is ndd deprecated now?[20:20:49] <bda> nafaik[20:20:53] <Ein2015|Laptop> _Lewellyn: you going to be here in a few minutes[20:20:57] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris[20:20:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld[20:21:00] <homeboy> ifconfig: setifmtu: siocslifmtu: nge0: invalid argument[20:21:07] <Ein2015|Laptop> _Lewellyn: i'm heading out for a cig and then i still have to find the documentation on the hardware :([20:21:28] <_Lewellyn> Ein2015|Laptop: maybe.[20:21:32] <bda> homeboy: Read nge(7D).[20:21:32] <_Lewellyn> no guarantees :P[20:21:37] <Ein2015|Laptop> awesome brb[20:21:52] *** asarch has quit IRC[20:22:01] <homeboy> bda and how do i do that :)?[20:22:06] <bda> homeboy: man nge[20:22:15] <bda> I always read that quit as s/ears/arse/.[20:22:24] <timelE61i> ivanr: i need process and ram limits[20:22:24] <timelE61i> Tmp was more of a symptom than the cause[20:22:36] <homeboy> no manual entry for nge[20:22:36] <bda> Yay for projects.[20:22:37] *** timelE61i has quit IRC[20:22:46] <bda> homeboy: What is this on?[20:23:22] <bda> homeboy: Do you have SUNWman installed? (I don't know about man pages on OpenSolaris anymore.)[20:24:30] <bignos> soooo, running vlc , inside win XP inside virtual box, ain't bad. but ain't great either.[20:24:33] <bignos> if anyone cares :)[20:24:43] <_Lewellyn> bignos: SFE didn't work for you?[20:24:58] <bignos> didn't try yet.[20:24:58] <_Lewellyn> also, why vlc? :P[20:25:00] <homeboy> yeah it is[20:25:04] *** Qball has left #opensolaris[20:25:05] <bignos> vlc, just cause that's waht i chose.[20:25:18] <_Lewellyn> why not something like totem, where's there's a package for it?[20:25:21] <_Lewellyn> or realplayer?[20:25:37] <bignos> no codec's.[20:25:41] <bignos> that's my whole issue.[20:26:03] * _Lewellyn doesn't even want to know what obscure downloaded filetype bignos is trying to play[20:26:07] <eviljames> haha[20:26:15] <eviljames> Get ffmpeg and transcode the video into ogg/vorbis[20:26:18] <bda> mkv![20:26:18] <eviljames> or something open.[20:26:28] <_Lewellyn> bda: that's the only thing i can think of[20:26:44] <_Lewellyn> eviljames: yeah. between the media players i have installed, almost everything plays[20:26:56] <_Lewellyn> i haven't bothered with finishing building vlc, in fact[20:27:32] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[20:28:05] <bignos> _Lewellyn: h264 for example.[20:28:07] <_Lewellyn> and codeina should handle almost anything else[20:28:13] <bignos> codeina?[20:28:16] <jaek> is there any other way to get an mp3 gstreamer codec besides fluendo?[20:29:49] <_Lewellyn> jaek: what's wrong with the fluendo one?[20:30:00] *** _Lewellyn has left #opensolaris[20:30:05] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[20:30:09] <_Lewellyn> goddamn xchat[20:30:14] <_Lewellyn> bignos: SUNWcodeina[20:30:29] <bignos> _Lewellyn: cool. would i get that with ips?[20:30:39] <_Lewellyn> xchat is now the only app i use which doesn't recognize ^W in a text area as "Kill Word"[20:30:47] <_Lewellyn> bignos: probably. i use sxce so it was preinstalled[20:30:51] <bignos> gotcha.[20:30:52] <bignos> tks[20:31:00] <_Lewellyn> bignos: note that the codec pack costs $[20:31:02] <skullone> can i add tcp-nodelay=1;[20:31:12] <_Lewellyn> EUR 28.00[20:31:15] <skullone> to the iscsi target conf also, instead of just the initiator?[20:31:24] *** durino has quit IRC[20:31:32] <bignos> _Lewellyn: gotcha.[20:31:46] <_Lewellyn> bignos: you have a link to a sample h264 you can't play? i'll tell you if any of the stuff you should be able to get from pkg can play it :)[20:32:06] <bignos> its a flight of the conchords dvd i "made a backup of"[20:32:09] <bignos> so it's not on the web.[20:32:15] <bignos> the audio plays[20:32:17] <_Lewellyn> find one on the web that won't play ;)[20:32:26] <_Lewellyn> there's plenty of h264 out there[20:32:26] *** duri has joined #opensolaris[20:33:03] *** pde has quit IRC[20:33:19] *** boyd_ has joined #opensolaris[20:33:19] <bignos> totem said i need an ITU h264.[20:33:40] *** bindaas has joined #opensolaris[20:33:40] <jaek> _Lewellyn, i hate signing up.[20:34:50] <_Lewellyn> jaek: i'm sure there's ways around that ;)[20:35:00] <_Lewellyn> bignos: find me a sample file :)[20:35:05] <Ein2015|Laptop> ok back[20:35:14] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[20:35:28] <bignos> _Lewellyn: heh, mplayer works just fine.[20:35:29] <_Lewellyn> does this one play? http://a1408.g.akamai.net/5/1408/1388/2005110403/1a1a1ad948be278cff2d96046ad90768d848b41947aa1986/sample_iPod.m4v.zip[20:35:42] <_Lewellyn> for some value of fine ;)[20:35:44] *** skullone has quit IRC[20:36:07] *** clebig has joined #opensolaris[20:37:37] <Ein2015|Laptop> grr i cant find where i put my mobo documentation :([20:37:40] *** skullone has joined #opensolaris[20:37:53] <skullone> hrm my shell died[20:39:08] <skullone> dunno if my text went through, but does anyone know if you can add 'tcp-nodelay=1;' to /kernel/drv/iscsit.conf[20:39:22] <bignos> H.264 decoder[20:39:22] <bignos> MPEG-4 AAC decoder[20:39:25] <bignos> are missing.[20:39:32] <bignos> that's what totem told me about that file _Lewellyn[20:39:45] <Ein2015|Laptop> _Lewellyn: here is the mobo i'm using... it uses SiS north and south bridges: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135052[20:40:02] <bignos> and with mplayer it works fine.[20:40:06] <Ein2015|Laptop> perhaps that'll help?[20:40:27] *** clebig_ has joined #opensolaris[20:41:34] *** clebig has quit IRC[20:41:38] *** clebig_ has quit IRC[20:41:56] *** clebig has joined #opensolaris[20:41:59] <_Lewellyn> bignos: good to know that mplayer will play the reference standard :)[20:42:13] <_Lewellyn> Ein2015|Laptop: what's the make/model of the usb controller? :P[20:42:31] <bignos> scarcastic ain't ya?[20:44:08] <_Lewellyn> bignos: no. since totem and realplay won't :P[20:44:26] <_Lewellyn> which package is mplayer in?[20:44:36] *** bindaas has left #opensolaris[20:44:38] <bignos> i installed it using opencsw.[20:45:19] <_Lewellyn> ick.[20:45:50] <bignos> bah.[20:45:52] *** bignos has quit IRC[20:46:51] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[20:48:58] <Ein2015|Laptop> _Lewellyn: no idea[20:49:17] * _Lewellyn forgets if prtconf tells you that...[20:49:19] * _Lewellyn grumbles[20:50:26] *** boyd has quit IRC[20:52:05] <Ein2015|Laptop> _Lewellyn: let me burn the network driver to a disc, load it up, and see if i can get that to work[20:52:13] <_Lewellyn> mmk[20:56:13] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[20:57:32] *** nicoatsun has joined #opensolaris[20:57:32] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[20:59:22] <nicoatsun> an OSOL user just complained to me that he told OpenSolaris to install to the partition that had his D: drive in Windows fully expecting that OSOL would ask to confirm before doing it but the installer went ahead and clobbered that partition with no further confirmation[20:59:23] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[21:00:24] <nicoatsun> I've never installed OpenSolaris on a disk that already has Windows (or Linux), so I'm not sure that's true, but, more importantly: is that behavior that we should want for some reason (say, to minimize prompts)?[21:00:31] *** sndcrb2 has quit IRC[21:02:04] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[21:02:06] * bubbva is away: lunch[21:02:20] *** Topdeck_ has joined #opensolaris[21:03:40] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[21:03:55] *** nsuperbus has joined #opensolaris[21:04:39] *** Tusk21 has joined #opensolaris[21:05:40] *** inaddy has quit IRC[21:06:06] *** c00p has quit IRC[21:07:43] *** CoolMa has joined #opensolaris[21:09:56] *** ricardo has quit IRC[21:10:40] *** Topdeck has quit IRC[21:10:49] *** asarch has quit IRC[21:11:07] <_Lewellyn> nicoatsun: sxce installed fine once i used solaris 10 to label the disk properly[21:11:28] <_Lewellyn> that's my only experience with opensolaris and a multiboot setup[21:11:40] <nicoatsun> well, the SXCE and OpenSolaris installers are radically different[21:12:00] <_Lewellyn> just giving the only datapoint i have, since no one said anything in over 10 mins :)[21:12:06] <nicoatsun> mostly I want to know whether to file an RFE/bug[21:12:09] <_Lewellyn> don't want you to feel ignored :)[21:12:16] <nicoatsun> lewellyn: much appreciated[21:12:23] <nicoatsun> I was feeling ignored[21:12:24] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[21:12:25] <nicoatsun> :)[21:12:36] <_Lewellyn> this channel is bursty :)[21:12:55] <_Lewellyn> and it's hard catching people who actually know the answers to a particular problem[21:13:14] <_Lewellyn> like, personally, i want to know why i can't suspend while booted in xVM still[21:14:07] <_Lewellyn> someone's gotta know, they probably idle in here, but just have never seen that i need to know :P[21:14:07] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[21:16:00] *** ShanghaiScott has quit IRC[21:17:24] <nicoatsun> I don't use xVM much, so I don't know[21:17:34] <nicoatsun> and I've not seen any e-mail go by explaining that[21:18:46] <nicoatsun> the suspend/resume functionality is far from complete; it works well enough on some machines, but not all drivers have been updated, and there may well be corners like dom0 where there are issues beyond driver support[21:18:52] <_Lewellyn> yeah. it's the real showstopper keeping me from using xVM[21:19:05] <nicoatsun> mostly I use VirtualBox[21:19:13] <_Lewellyn> since vbox won't boot my physical windows partition[21:19:18] <_Lewellyn> and it has no usb support[21:19:49] <nicoatsun> yup[21:19:59] *** macros73 has quit IRC[21:20:24] <_Lewellyn> i'm down to relying on 2 things on windows for hardware support, once 110 is out[21:20:36] <_Lewellyn> well, "post-109"[21:20:37] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[21:24:31] *** logic855 has quit IRC[21:24:37] <_Lewellyn> i can't wait for vbox to consider solaris a first-class citizen :P[21:24:41] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[21:25:27] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris[21:29:48] *** e-jat has quit IRC[21:29:52] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[21:30:25] *** myosound has quit IRC[21:31:18] *** anilg1 has quit IRC[21:32:56] *** jsoftw has joined #opensolaris[21:33:22] *** anilg has quit IRC[21:34:10] <trichobezoar> That would be favoritism and wrong.[21:35:14] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[21:35:20] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: it would be parity and right[21:35:27] *** logic is now known as logic855[21:35:48] *** gdamore has left #opensolaris[21:36:16] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: have you considered using vbox to mount a raw disk partition and also access usb devices in the guest in solaris? you can't right now, but you can on the other platforms :([21:36:50] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[21:37:14] *** spiffytech has joined #opensolaris[21:37:16] <trichobezoar> raw disk works in solaris doesnt it?[21:37:24] *** Shabren has joined #opensolaris[21:37:57] <trichobezoar> I'm pretty sure I tried it on solaris when I was messing around with it. But maybe my memori is failing me, and it was only on linux that it was done[21:37:58] <spiffytech> I just installed OS 2008.11 in vmware server. It comes up to the text login screen, but whenever I type something I get random garbage in the test prompt.[21:39:45] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: only as root[21:39:56] <pjfloyd> spiffytech: I thought osol booted with little or no dumb-unfriendly text[21:39:57] <_Lewellyn> which means that you have to xhost + if you want decent performance[21:40:03] <Ein2015|Laptop> wow... manual driver installation has taught me that i still have a LOT to learn about nix systems[21:40:06] <Ein2015|Laptop> lol[21:40:24] <_Lewellyn> Ein2015|Laptop: you didn't just have to untar a file from / or install a pkg?[21:41:14] <Ein2015|Laptop> had to untar a file, compile it for my system, install it and do ifconfig[21:41:16] <Ein2015|Laptop> :P[21:41:37] <spiffytech> pjfloyd, every other osol install I've seen boots straight into the GUI, but this one doesn't. I didn't do anything special during the install, so it seems to be an osol+vmware bug.[21:41:50] <trichobezoar> _Lewellyn: the solution on linux is to add the vbox user to the disk group[21:42:14] *** tomww_ has quit IRC[21:42:22] <trichobezoar> you dont have to xhost + either, you can export your magic cookie and import it into root's db[21:42:23] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris[21:43:18] <trichobezoar> s/on/i used on/[21:43:58] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i can't find the magic for solaris yet to let a "normal" user do it. and i got really craptastic results with cookie sharing[21:44:10] <_Lewellyn> it may be better with 107 and newer though[21:44:12] <alanc> there's a known bug in 2008.11 release with some VMWare versions where X can't start up because the clock got set negative during the install and Xorg doesn't trust fonts installed with negative timestamps[21:44:23] <trichobezoar> heh[21:44:31] <_Lewellyn> alanc: that's a weird thing to not trust...[21:44:34] *** jacotton has quit IRC[21:44:40] <alanc> no font made before 1970 can be truly usable[21:44:59] <_Lewellyn> timestamps on fonts really ought to be irrelevant, i'd think[21:45:07] <alanc> the workaround is simply to touch them to the present[21:45:35] <spiffytech> @alanc, so I guess the solution is to boot with a live CD and touch all files in the filesystem?[21:46:08] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[21:46:11] <alanc> the problem is actually that Xorg initializes it's "when did I last check for font updates" to 0, and then checks the timestamps to see if they're newer, and if so, loads them - but since they're not newer than 0, it decides there's nothing new to load, even the first time around[21:46:47] <alanc> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4780 Xorg doesn't start under VMWare when /etc/X11/fontpath.d last modified pre-1970[21:46:50] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[21:47:16] *** pde has joined #opensolaris[21:47:24] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris[21:47:59] <alanc> http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=4788 covers the underlying miscommunication between the opensolaris kernel and vmware about what time it is[21:48:43] *** danroberts has quit IRC[21:49:00] <_Lewellyn> oh that's a neat random issue. i see why it happens now.[21:49:02] <alanc> it also lists the VMWare versions in which vmware fixed their bug to avoid this[21:49:17] *** luc^ has quit IRC[21:51:09] *** wms has quit IRC[21:51:58] <spiffytech> alanc: I'm using VMware Server 2.0; I don't see mention of it being fixed there (only in ESX), but I presume it will be. For now, I'm firing up a live CD to touch the files[21:55:17] <Ein2015|Laptop> YAY _Lewellyn i got my network driver working[21:55:20] <Ein2015|Laptop> woohoo! *dances*[21:55:33] <_Lewellyn> ysy :D[21:55:35] <_Lewellyn> yay even[21:55:40] <Ein2015|Laptop> (sorry after hours of frustration these things make me want to dance a little)[21:57:19] <_Lewellyn> i still am curious as to your usb host controller[21:57:29] <_Lewellyn> it's weird that was the only error[21:57:38] *** purserj has quit IRC[21:58:38] <Ein2015|Laptop> i can give you the mobo model # if that'll help[21:58:44] *** cl4rk3 has joined #opensolaris[21:58:46] <Ein2015|Laptop> unless you know what command i should type[21:58:47] <Ein2015|Laptop> :P[21:58:48] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[21:58:50] <_Lewellyn> probably not :P[21:59:04] <_Lewellyn> and i can't help you find it at the moment. i have an issue i'm dealing with :([22:00:02] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[22:03:41] *** CoolMa has quit IRC[22:05:43] *** cl4rk3 is now known as cl4rk3_[22:06:22] *** cl4rk3_ is now known as cl4rk3[22:09:22] *** bigjocker has joined #opensolaris[22:09:41] <Ein2015|Laptop> boo ok _Lewellyn[22:09:53] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[22:15:10] *** sartek has quit IRC[22:16:03] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:23:45] *** clebig has quit IRC[22:33:22] <spiffytech> How can I mount my installed osol filesystem from the osol livecd?[22:35:00] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[22:35:43] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[22:38:51] *** nsuperbus has quit IRC[22:39:16] <spiffytech> Never mind, I got it. Thanks, Google![22:39:51] *** Disorganized_ has quit IRC[22:41:36] *** vipe_ is now known as vipe[22:45:07] *** bizkut_ has joined #opensolaris[22:47:39] *** bizkut has quit IRC[22:48:28] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[22:49:47] <Ein2015|Laptop> time for class[22:49:53] *** Ein2015|Laptop has quit IRC[22:55:00] <codestr0m> spiffytech: opensolaris rescue :)[22:55:05] <codestr0m> google:[22:55:12] <codestr0m> I think you figured it out already though[22:57:37] *** mroconno1 has joined #opensolaris[22:57:58] *** mroconno1 is now known as mroconnor_[22:58:26] * bubbva is back (gone 01:56:19)[22:58:33] *** dguitar has quit IRC[23:01:19] *** estibi_ has joined #opensolaris[23:02:09] *** Posterdati has quit IRC[23:02:47] *** Posterdati has joined #opensolaris[23:03:20] *** ericjray has quit IRC[23:03:57] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[23:05:02] *** mroconnor_ has quit IRC[23:05:18] <Cope> anyone played with comstar? just starting to look at it[23:07:41] *** cemerick has quit IRC[23:07:45] *** telexicon has joined #opensolaris[23:07:51] <telexicon> greetings[23:08:38] *** inaddy has joined #opensolaris[23:08:45] *** pgr has quit IRC[23:08:49] <syd`> Cope: I'm using it[23:09:43] <telexicon> so im currently installing opensolaris 2008.11, right now im having to install it on an IDE drive because it doesnt recognize my sata controller, when i move it to another box with a sata controller it recognizes can i migrate the root fs to a sata drive or something?[23:10:47] <e^ipi> yes[23:10:59] *** Shabren has quit IRC[23:11:07] <e^ipi> easiest way, mirror the root pool, and then remove the old drive[23:11:20] *** Shabren has joined #opensolaris[23:11:36] <telexicon> nice, im guessing i can expand it later? (the ide drive is 30gb the sata drive is 80gb)[23:12:40] <e^ipi> yes, same way[23:12:57] <e^ipi> once you remove the small drive the pool magically grows[23:13:02] <Cope> syd`: in production?[23:13:45] <telexicon> e^ipi, wow thats awesome[23:14:08] *** estibi has quit IRC[23:15:01] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[23:17:20] *** prav33n has joined #opensolaris[23:17:35] *** gray-- has joined #opensolaris[23:17:48] *** servo- has quit IRC[23:21:37] <syd`> Cope: well, if you consider my house as a production environment, yes :)[23:22:27] <syd`> I use daily and I'm very happy with it. But it's not mature enough to be used in a serious production environment IMHO[23:22:55] *** jacotton has joined #opensolaris[23:25:45] *** whits has joined #opensolaris[23:26:24] <whits> In the opensolaris code I see 'wrpr %o1, %tba' for the trap base address. gcc/gas doesn't like '%tba'; anyone know what the right code is?[23:28:27] <jbk> are you sure gcc/gas is setup to generate sparcv9 code[23:28:39] <whits> hmmm[23:28:54] <jbk> that is perfectly valid assembly[23:28:57] <whits> I'm not 100% that I've done anything sparcv9 specific so far, but I've built a lot of sparc code[23:29:19] <whits> load_traps: ELF 64-bit MSB executable, SPARC V9, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped[23:29:25] <whits> Correct?[23:29:42] <jbk> looks like it[23:29:47] <jbk> could be a gcc/gas bug[23:29:52] <whits> hmm[23:29:57] <whits> That would suck[23:30:08] <jbk> %tba is a valid sparcv9 privileged register[23:30:10] <whits> I can see how %tsa wouldn't get a lot of coverage in gcc testing...[23:30:13] *** Tusk21 has quit IRC[23:30:14] <jbk> can't remember what it does offhand[23:30:21] <whits> trap base address[23:30:31] <whits> only really used by OSs. Or crazy people ;-)[23:30:38] * whits joins #gcc[23:31:23] *** Disorganized has joined #OpenSolaris[23:31:30] <e^ipi> you could just use an actually good compiler *shrug*[23:31:43] <whits> heh[23:31:50] <whits> sunstudio is pricey :-p[23:31:56] <flyingparchment> yeah, a whole $0[23:32:11] <xRaich[o]2x> damn... that's pricey[23:32:17] <whits> oh? are they giving it away now?[23:32:31] * whits bets sunstudio doesn't have an x86/linux cross compiler[23:32:49] <e^ipi> why would it?[23:32:55] <whits> for me ;-)[23:32:56] <jbk> it runs on linux[23:33:09] <jbk> why cross compile when you can run native?[23:33:30] <whits> my desktop is x86...[23:33:48] <trichobezoar> cross compile what to what?[23:33:52] <whits> i'm writing code that gets loaded by openfirmware, so we don't really use solaris much.[23:34:03] <whits> trichobezoar: linux x86 to sparc at the moment[23:34:10] <whits> good nick btw ;-p[23:34:25] <e^ipi> well maybe you should use solaris[23:34:26] <e^ipi> :)[23:34:30] <whits> heh :-)[23:34:39] <whits> It's a good server OS, for sure. But not really destop stuff.[23:34:52] <e^ipi> that's nonsense[23:34:55] * whits realises which channel he's in[23:34:56] <whits> :-x[23:35:03] <whits> *closed* solaris :-p[23:35:04] <e^ipi> it's just as good as any other X11 OS for desktop[23:35:05] <whits> we work with sol8[23:35:06] <xRaich[o]2x> really depends on your needs. it's runs fine on my desktop[23:35:15] <whits> closed solaris 8 really isn't a desktop os...[23:35:26] <jbk> whits: eww.. you do realize solaris 8 is almost 10 years old now? :)[23:35:30] <e^ipi> which can be taken either as "it's okay" to "it's bad but barring a mac or windows, it's okay"[23:35:31] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: that's not really true, although it would be nice if it were[23:35:38] <whits> jbk: oh yes.[23:35:42] <whits> but it's what our customers use[23:35:42] <flyingparchment> whits: solaris 8 is about to enter vintage support, so i hope you have lots of $$$[23:35:59] <whits> we don't actually use it for real work - we use it for testing.[23:36:03] <whits> it's complicated ;-)[23:36:07] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[23:36:59] <jbk> yeah, i think sun quoted somewhere north of 7 figures to create a daylight savings patch (basically updating the zoneinfo file) for solaris 2.6 and 7 :)[23:37:10] <jbk> at least at one place i was at[23:37:20] <jbk> we just ended up updating the file outselves :)[23:37:42] <trichobezoar> heh. sun coulda gotten money out of that for minimal work if they werent stupid[23:37:46] <whits> ok, so I've got a SunStudio 12 distribution here, but no 'as'... What's the assembler called?[23:37:55] <flyingparchment> whits: /usr/ccs/bin/as[23:37:57] <trichobezoar> uses the system as.... /usr/ccs/bin/as[23:37:59] <whits> aaah[23:38:10] <whits> so I don't need the SUNWspro stuff?[23:38:11] <whits> win[23:38:20] <jbk> don't have a sparc box somewhere you can use?[23:38:42] <trichobezoar> qemu ;-D[23:38:51] <trichobezoar> hmm i dont think it does sparc64 though[23:39:35] <whits> yeah, I'm on one now[23:39:39] <syd`> anyone knows if it's possible to disable zil selectively (eg. on a single ZVOL?)[23:39:50] <trichobezoar> syd`: now that would be brilliant[23:39:52] <flyingparchment> syd`: it's not. but there's an RFE for per-dataset zil_disable[23:40:11] <whits> ok, so it doesn't like 'wrpr 0x0, %tba'[23:41:25] <whits> ah, it wants a register. now it complains about 'v8plus instructions in a non-v8plus binary'.[23:41:28] * whits reads[23:41:58] <jbk> try adding '-xarch=v9'[23:42:17] <whits> ah, -xarch=v8plus works. I'll try v9 now - that's the target I want[23:42:19] <syd`> heh, just wait for it then :)[23:42:25] <whits> woo :-)[23:42:36] <jbk> what are you trying to do anyway?[23:42:40] <whits> Cheers :-)[23:42:43] <whits> set up a trap table[23:42:59] <whits> fun stuff ;-)[23:43:02] <trichobezoar> writing code that gets executed by openfirmware[23:43:25] *** mikefut has quit IRC[23:43:27] <jbk> have you looked at how the current openfirmware is written?[23:43:32] <whits> yeah. well, loaded, anyway.[23:43:46] <jbk> i think source is out on opensparc.net[23:43:51] <whits> nope. is it sustantially different from old (u60-era) OF?[23:44:08] <jbk> it's interesting..[23:44:16] <whits> heh[23:44:18] * whits will look[23:44:24] <whits> openfirmware is pretty cool[23:44:47] <e^ipi> syd`: primarycache and secondarycache[23:44:47] <whits> we're workintg with ultrasparc IIi, so everything's pretty crusty.[23:44:54] <e^ipi> oh, n/m ... ZIL[23:46:29] <syd`> e^ipi: yes, it would be great to have the opportunity of disabling zil on a single ZVOL while allowing other filesystems on the same pool to use it[23:46:52] <tsoome> why u wanna do that?[23:47:03] <e^ipi> that'd be pretty silly[23:47:20] *** boyd_ is now known as boyd[23:47:42] <flyingparchment> no it wouldn't, which is why there's an RFE to make that possible[23:47:47] <flyingparchment> not all workloads require the zil[23:48:03] <tsoome> never really understood people hitting random buttons and killing random stuff without any understanding...[23:48:16] <flyingparchment> i understand exactly what the zil does, and what disabling it means[23:49:51] <CosmicDJ> the solarisinternals site said it would improve performance ;)[23:50:15] <CosmicDJ> that's why it must be disabled, now[23:50:19] *** asarch has quit IRC[23:50:23] * flyingparchment doesn't really understand people who parrot stuff like "never disable zil" without understand the situations where it's acceptable[23:50:24] <telexicon> whats the zil[23:50:36] <flyingparchment> telexicon: it's what zfs uses to make fsync() and similar work[23:50:40] <telexicon> the zeta interpreter lock[23:50:43] <telexicon> oh[23:50:47] <syd`> I really understand the importance of the ZIL. That's why I don't want it to be disabled system wide :)[23:50:51] <telexicon> fsync(), sounds good for databases[23:51:03] *** axisys has quit IRC[23:51:14] <telexicon> if you want your database transactions to mean something[23:51:39] <e^ipi> telexicon: zfs intent log[23:52:18] <telexicon> sounds interesting[23:52:22] <flyingparchment> yes, disabling it on a database that needs transactional integrity would be pretty stupid - i don't think anyone suggested doing that[23:52:50] <telexicon> firefox's sqlite uses transactions[23:53:09] *** ShanghaiScott has joined #opensolaris[23:54:15] *** bizkut_ has quit IRC[23:54:18] <sommerfeld> so disabling the zil doesn't put the pool or the filesystem at risk. it does mean you may lose writes which didn't make it into a committed zfs transaction, which could be bad in the event something *outside* your system cares that the bits made it to stable store.[23:54:35] <sommerfeld> so it may put your applications, and your commitments to the outside world, at risk[23:54:56] <flyingparchment> which is why it's safe to disable it if you understand what it does[23:55:17] *** bubbva has quit IRC[23:56:49] *** prudhvi has quit IRC[23:57:00] *** prudhvi has joined #opensolaris