March 2, 2009 
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March 2, 2009 [00:00:14] *** tombhad-AC has joined #opensolaris[00:02:11] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[00:07:04] *** radsy has joined #opensolaris[00:07:33] *** dunc has quit IRC[00:08:49] *** joab has quit IRC[00:09:59] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[00:10:33] *** kibibyte has quit IRC[00:12:17] *** authentic has quit IRC[00:15:26] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:15:44] *** tombhad-AC is now known as tombhadAC[00:17:06] *** m3lling has joined #opensolaris[00:18:13] *** vlazar__ has quit IRC[00:21:03] *** sayaka has quit IRC[00:22:55] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[00:26:51] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[00:28:07] *** colyte has quit IRC[00:28:21] *** Rarok has quit IRC[00:31:10] *** pgr has quit IRC[00:31:22] <twinkie_addict> woohoo wine is installed and working :) thanks for the help[00:32:39] <axisys> how do I convert this Dtrace-doc http://opensolaris.org/os/project/dtrace-doc/ to html format ? the html folder comes with it has broken links[00:32:55] *** luc^ has quit IRC[00:33:15] <axisys> hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris dot org/hg/dtrace-doc/DTrace-Doc myworkingdir gives me the dir .. but the html format files have broken links[00:33:29] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[00:33:36] <axisys> is there a tool i can use to convert html from the mercurial xml doc folder?[00:36:03] <e^ipi> perl?[00:36:35] <_Lewellyn> twinkie_addict: your wine works? i'm jealous :([00:38:37] *** nge0 has quit IRC[00:39:57] *** X-Istence has joined #opensolaris[00:40:28] *** gray-- has joined #opensolaris[00:41:06] *** gaveen has quit IRC[00:41:58] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[00:42:17] *** x58 has quit IRC[00:43:10] <twinkie_addict> i love opensoleris , i decided to tryit because freebsd and flash didnt play too nice togeather , i mean yeh it worked but was abiyt unstable for flash to be usfull[00:44:21] <nachox> i just replaced firefox with opera in opensolaris...[00:44:41] <nachox> now i only use firefox for musicovery which doesnt work in opera...[00:45:15] <_Lewellyn> twinkie_addict: did you install flash player 10?[00:45:48] <twinkie_addict> i think it was 9[00:45:51] <_Lewellyn> nachox: i'm debating doing that. it can't annoy me more than firefox does[00:45:59] <_Lewellyn> twinkie_addict: flash player 10 is pretty stable...[00:46:05] <_Lewellyn> you should try it out.[00:46:07] <twinkie_addict> its what youtube pointed me to[00:46:26] <_Lewellyn> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/[00:46:29] <twinkie_addict> it work well in OS ?[00:46:34] <_Lewellyn> er yeah.[00:46:45] <_Lewellyn> as well as flash can be expected to work[00:47:14] <nachox> _Lewellyn, i tried using blockflash or whatever the name of the plugin is to block flash content i though was to blame for firefox crashing consistently, but it didnt fix it, so i just downloaded opera[00:47:19] *** ry_laptop has joined #opensolaris[00:47:28] <nachox> i'm happy with it, it consumes less memory too[00:47:51] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i hate firefox, as a rule. i wish seamonkey would compile from SFE for me :([00:48:45] <nachox> i compile as little software as possible :)[00:49:14] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[00:49:37] <twinkie_addict> lol im useing flash 10 lol should have payed more attention[00:50:12] <twinkie_addict> i dont mind compileing apps i just avoid thing like gnome and kde[00:51:18] <e^ipi> the whole point of open source is that you have the source[00:51:33] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: and i'm taking advantage of this in a few windows at this moment :)[00:51:51] <twinkie_addict> :)[00:52:03] <_Lewellyn> also, i am suddenly glad that sxce has /usr/bin/git since sf now has git access and projects are moving over :P[00:52:12] <nachox> the whole point of opensource is that you can distribute development costs[00:52:43] *** goo1 has joined #opensolaris[00:52:48] *** goo1 has left #opensolaris[00:53:40] <_Lewellyn> nachox: and to fix things that are broken for you :)[00:53:56] <_Lewellyn> "it broke" "you have the pieces and the source to glue it together!"[00:54:54] <twinkie_addict> i look at opensourceas being able to market your src and app without being obligated to pass down you cost to prospective custemers or users[00:55:09] <nachox> not really, the sources are useful for like less than 1% of the users, less than that is interested in fixing it and switches to something else, and the rest of the world just has to pay some of that 1% to get things fixed or switch to something else[00:55:17] *** pandarilho has joined #opensolaris[00:55:43] *** MACscr1 has joined #opensolaris[00:55:52] <pandarilho> hi all ;-)[00:55:56] <twinkie_addict> hi[00:56:04] <pandarilho> I'm newbie on opensolaris[00:56:13] <pandarilho> I come from freebsd[00:56:19] <_Lewellyn> nachox: it's still an option with open source. it's not with closed source[00:56:31] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris[00:56:38] <_Lewellyn> pandarilho: it should feel familiar, then :)[00:56:54] <pandarilho> I'd like to know if opensolaris could be used on a server?[00:57:03] <_Lewellyn> people do[00:57:04] <twinkie_addict> yes[00:57:14] <pandarilho> all I see is there is no non-desktop installation for opensolaris[00:57:21] <nachox> for production i'd be using solaris 10 though[00:57:23] <_Lewellyn> define "non-desktop"[00:57:26] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris[00:57:33] <_Lewellyn> nachox: likewise, unless you NEED opensolaris stuff[00:57:34] *** goo1 has joined #opensolaris[00:57:41] <_Lewellyn> nachox: then i'd be using sxce[00:57:42] *** goo1 has left #opensolaris[00:57:51] <pandarilho> I mean no desktop tools[00:57:54] <nachox> agreed[00:58:08] <_Lewellyn> pandarilho: at least in sxce, you can choose which packages to install.[00:58:12] <pandarilho> I'd like to install a mysql server running on opensolaris[00:58:34] *** authentic has joined #opensolaris[00:58:38] *** MACscr2 has joined #opensolaris[00:58:38] <pandarilho> so, I will not need gnome-related packages[00:58:44] <twinkie_addict> yes solaris 10 would be the best for server though open solaris would work[00:58:53] <_Lewellyn> pandarilho: so deselect what you don't need[00:59:01] <CIA-40> Dan Price <dp at eng dot sun.com>: 6805730 some simple changes would make 'init 5' much faster, 6809492 startd shouldn't let hung subprocesses impede shutdown[00:59:21] <_Lewellyn> if you need to set up more than one server, you should look into using jumpstart[00:59:28] <pandarilho> can I select the packages to install during the installation process?[00:59:54] <pandarilho> what's sxce?[01:00:12] <nachox> another opensolaris distribution[01:00:22] <nachox> also sponsored by sun[01:01:22] <pandarilho> hmm, opensolaris seems to be like linux, various distributions, or not?[01:01:27] *** MACscr3 has joined #opensolaris[01:01:36] <pandarilho> or just a few ones?[01:01:45] <nachox> yes and no, in opensolaris' case, there is also a distribution called opensolaris[01:02:03] <_Lewellyn> pandarilho: the two that are most relevant right now are "opensolaris" and "solaris express community edition"[01:02:28] <_Lewellyn> (not in general, just in relation to the problem that you have in front of you) :)[01:02:32] <nachox> but, there are a few opensolaris distributions besides that opensolaris, SXCE is one, nexenta is another, belenix another, and so on[01:02:43] <pandarilho> opensolaris is a distribution of opensolaris, hmmm a little bit confusion[01:02:59] <e^ipi> go back and read opensolaris-discuss from a year ago[01:03:02] <pandarilho> I've received at home this solaris express[01:03:03] <e^ipi> it was more than just "confusion"[01:03:12] <e^ipi> or actually, don't do that[01:03:14] <nachox> another stunt from sun's mkt department[01:03:16] <e^ipi> no need to torture yourself[01:03:28] <pandarilho> hehe[01:03:34] <nachox> solaris express is SXCE[01:03:39] <pandarilho> hmmmmm[01:03:53] <pandarilho> so I can say I've used sxce ;-)[01:04:02] <MACscr3> how many ip's is a /28[01:04:07] <pandarilho> I was not familiar with the short SXCE[01:04:27] <nachox> macros73, 2^(32-28)-1[01:04:47] <pandarilho> anyone from brazil here?[01:04:47] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[01:06:32] *** devians has quit IRC[01:07:14] <nachox> actually -2 not -1[01:07:37] *** kmays has joined #opensolaris[01:08:15] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:08:18] *** m3lling has quit IRC[01:09:11] *** The-spiki has quit IRC[01:11:43] *** gray-- has quit IRC[01:12:50] *** MACscr has quit IRC[01:14:04] *** gray-- has joined #opensolaris[01:14:17] *** MACscr1 has quit IRC[01:17:25] <pandarilho> nice to meet you ;-)[01:17:25] <pandarilho> see ya[01:17:26] *** MACscr2 has quit IRC[01:17:32] *** gray-- has quit IRC[01:19:26] *** thereals1mc has joined #opensolaris[01:19:27] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[01:20:05] *** thereals1mc is now known as therealsamc[01:22:31] *** pandarilho has quit IRC[01:23:09] *** axisys_ has joined #opensolaris[01:23:53] *** axisys has quit IRC[01:24:11] *** authentic has quit IRC[01:24:49] *** devians has joined #opensolaris[01:25:41] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[01:27:06] *** alain10 has joined #opensolaris[01:29:45] *** not-me-guv has quit IRC[01:30:04] *** kleppari has quit IRC[01:33:22] <dsch04> Can I use nwam with two active interfaces?[01:33:34] <dsch04> i.e. have them both active at the same time?[01:34:16] *** ranks_ has joined #opensolaris[01:34:44] *** mib_28i9gfk2 has joined #opensolaris[01:34:59] *** kim0 has quit IRC[01:36:42] <trichobezoar> read the man page, but i think it cant. i think the man page says to disable nwamd if you need that[01:39:53] <ry_laptop> Hrrmm.[01:40:03] <ry_laptop> I wonder what an ssh window via pocket putty and voice to text would be like :([01:40:04] <ry_laptop> er :)[01:40:30] *** authentic has joined #opensolaris[01:41:16] *** ^authentic has quit IRC[01:42:43] *** benr has joined #opensolaris[01:42:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o benr[01:43:14] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC[01:45:18] * _Lewellyn envies ry[01:45:25] <_Lewellyn> i don't have any good ssh options :P[01:45:37] <ry_laptop> one of the reasons I got a winmo phone[01:45:43] *** e-jat has joined #opensolaris[01:45:46] <ry_laptop> real keyboard and a real display.[01:45:48] <_Lewellyn> yeah. one reason i got one too[01:46:00] <_Lewellyn> but then i discovered that there's crap for Windows Mobile Standard[01:46:04] *** syamajala has quit IRC[01:46:15] <ry_laptop> though... looks like pocket putty can only go up to 64 columns :/[01:46:19] <dsch04> trichobezoar: OK, thanks[01:46:20] <_Lewellyn> but my email pushes, so i'm good[01:46:36] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: out of curiosity, do you pay for a static ip with sprint? :)[01:46:39] <ry_laptop> yeah. I'm going to set up my own exchange "server" ala zpush[01:46:43] <ry_laptop> No[01:46:49] <ry_laptop> I use ssh keys... no passwords[01:46:58] <_Lewellyn> i'm tempted to[01:47:08] *** authentic has quit IRC[01:47:08] <ry_laptop> er, no password auth, I have passphrases[01:47:12] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris[01:47:17] <_Lewellyn> since i can only tunnel via ssh, it seems :P[01:47:21] <ry_laptop> *nod*[01:47:29] <ry_laptop> I've got pfsense running at home.[01:47:41] <_Lewellyn> seems so dirty to telnet over an ssh tunnel[01:47:47] <ry_laptop> heheh[01:47:48] *** authentic has joined #opensolaris[01:47:52] <ry_laptop> telnet is dirty you bastard![01:47:52] *** yippi has quit IRC[01:48:09] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris[01:48:09] <benr> ktelnet :)[01:49:57] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: then find me an ssh client for Smartphones :D[01:50:10] <ry_laptop> which "smartphone"?[01:50:13] <_Lewellyn> (that works and doesn't cost $99)[01:50:13] <trichobezoar> windows mobile?[01:50:21] <_Lewellyn> i have a Samsung ACE SPH-i325[01:50:36] <ry_laptop> oh yes, Im ver yfamilar with that phone. not[01:50:38] <ry_laptop> what os?[01:50:38] <_Lewellyn> someone, quick! port opensolaris to it! :D[01:50:43] <trichobezoar> windows mobile?[01:50:44] <_Lewellyn> windows mobile standard 6.1[01:50:51] <ry_laptop> pocketputty is what I'm using[01:51:01] <_Lewellyn> that requires windows mobile professional, yes[01:51:04] <_Lewellyn> i have no touchscreen[01:51:06] <ry_laptop> ?[01:51:15] <trichobezoar> still works...[01:51:17] <ry_laptop> oh[01:51:23] <ry_laptop> you have windows mobile for smart phones[01:51:25] <ry_laptop> not pocket pc[01:51:30] <ry_laptop> I understand now[01:51:33] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i get a dialog i can't target when i try to run pocket putty[01:51:54] <ry_laptop> http://harkless.org/dan/info/buying_guides/Windows_Mobile_SSH_apps/database/[01:52:39] <_Lewellyn> i went through most of them with varying degrees of success :([01:53:17] <_Lewellyn> i got the best results with zatelnet professional. but that one isn't smart enough to turn off predictive text. and each letter entered starts a new "word" :([01:53:36] <ry_laptop> http://www.mochasoft.dk/telnetce.htm[01:53:40] <ry_laptop> looks like that will work for about 25 bucks[01:53:55] <_Lewellyn> i'll grab it again. i forget why that one failed me[01:54:07] <_Lewellyn> i like mochasoft's apps[01:54:27] <_Lewellyn> i ran lots of their stuff on palm when that was their primary development target[01:55:24] <ry_laptop> I'm getting ssh working on this phone so I'll have access to work IRC during incase I get a page :)[01:58:58] <_Lewellyn> hm. wonder if quassel works on winmo yet :)[02:05:56] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[02:10:10] *** mib_28i9gfk2 has quit IRC[02:11:59] *** sahX has quit IRC[02:14:04] *** sayaka has joined #opensolaris[02:14:35] *** devians has quit IRC[02:15:25] <sayaka> how can i make my server update the IPaddress from my router (when it changes)...I do have an account with dyndns.org but still my server stays with the old one when the IP changes[02:15:55] <sayaka> is there a script that i could use for this ?[02:16:20] *** communicator has joined #opensolaris[02:17:37] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris[02:19:45] *** axisys_ has quit IRC[02:23:02] *** kitche has quit IRC[02:23:19] *** bizkut_ has joined #opensolaris[02:29:22] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[02:39:22] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[02:40:06] *** ranks_ has left #opensolaris[02:41:24] *** authentic has quit IRC[02:41:26] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[02:43:21] *** Azhax is now known as MyAzhax[02:48:51] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[02:52:17] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[02:55:28] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[02:55:38] *** high-rez has quit IRC[02:56:55] *** fftb__ has joined #opensolaris[02:57:17] *** fjay has quit IRC[02:58:55] <CIA-40> guoqing zhu - Sun Microsystems - Beijing China <Guoqing.Zhu at Sun dot COM>: 6764185 DVD problems during OS usage (READ RETRY)[02:58:55] *** axisys has quit IRC[02:59:03] *** PinkFreud has joined #opensolaris[02:59:51] <PinkFreud> hi, folks. I appear to be having some difficulty convincing a recent 2008.11 install to boot under xen.[03:00:19] <PinkFreud> I was able to boot the install kernel fine under xen, and the installation completed successfully.[03:00:42] <PinkFreud> I cannot, for the life of me, convince the newly installed system to boot under xen, though[03:00:55] *** high-rez has joined #opensolaris[03:01:17] <PinkFreud> all I see is an instant crash - no text.[03:01:24] <e^ipi> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/docs/linux-dom0/[03:01:50] <PinkFreud> been there already.[03:01:57] <e^ipi> then i dunno[03:02:05] <e^ipi> blame linux being broken[03:02:12] <PinkFreud> also been to the link at the top - http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/opensolaris_2008_11_guest_domain[03:02:12] <e^ipi> it's often the case[03:02:29] <_Lewellyn> run linux under xVM :)[03:03:18] <PinkFreud> e^ipi: part of the confusion stems from seeing three different ways of booting 2008.11 under xen[03:03:23] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[03:03:29] <e^ipi> it certainly doesn't help, no[03:03:48] <e^ipi> there's a distinct lack of convergence by all the consumers of Xen though[03:03:49] <PinkFreud> for instance, the document you linked me to appears to indicate that there is no kernel or ramdisk line necessary for the xen configuration, once OS is installed[03:04:15] <e^ipi> it'd be nice if everyone agreed on one single interface[03:04:49] <PinkFreud> the link provided in the first sentence of that document, though, points to an entirely different way of booting the domU, involving creating a boot_archive and copying that and the kernel to the dom0[03:05:03] <PinkFreud> I tried that method. no go.[03:05:14] *** communicator has quit IRC[03:05:38] <PinkFreud> I also tried the method recommended by the document you pointed me at, with no kernel or ramdisk lines in the domU config.[03:05:44] <e^ipi> FWIW my experience installing linux was convoluted as well... i had to install hvm, copy the kernel to my solaris box, dump the definition file, destroy the domain, and then hack the definition file to be pv[03:05:50] <PinkFreud> that fails pretty spectaculrarly, too :)[03:06:06] <PinkFreud> however, I *have* had successful opensolaris domU installations under linux in the past.[03:06:07] <sayaka> how can i make my server update the IPaddress from my router (when it changes)...I do have an account with dyndns.org but still my server stays with the old one when the IP changes[03:06:09] <sayaka> is there a script that i could use for this ?[03:06:20] <PinkFreud> e^ipi: no hvm support on this box.[03:06:26] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[03:06:35] <PinkFreud> second generation dual opteron board, single core cpus.[03:06:39] <jamesd_> sayaka: ask dyndns .. they should have a script or a daemon[03:06:39] <e^ipi> yeah[03:06:53] *** fftb has quit IRC[03:06:54] <sayaka> for OpenSolaris[03:06:57] <sayaka> i doubt it[03:07:04] <e^ipi> sayaka: it's probably perl[03:07:07] <e^ipi> or similar[03:07:11] <e^ipi> so it doesn't matter[03:07:17] <jamesd_> sayaka: perhaps the solaris one will work[03:07:20] <PinkFreud> I'm pretty sure I need kernel and ramdisk lines in the config, though, which is why I regard http://opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/docs/linux-dom0/ with suspicion[03:07:21] <sayaka> i am not asking you to create the script for me[03:07:27] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris[03:07:43] <sayaka> where can i find that solaris script[03:08:01] *** aveteam has quit IRC[03:08:05] <e^ipi> PinkFreud: well, i know you need to install the xen kernel separately on 2008.11 , so you may have copied the wrong ( not xen ) kernel[03:08:28] *** sahX has quit IRC[03:08:56] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris[03:09:10] <jamesd_> no clue.. i have gone with a better solution i installed autossh, and use that to connect to a shell account on a stable box, then i just ssh and tunnel to all my home boxes.. from where ever i'm at work, hotel, or at any coffee shop that has free wifi, and the shell account does all my web stuff for me[03:09:11] *** aveteam has quit IRC[03:09:14] <e^ipi> PinkFreud: http://cr.opensolaris.org/~error404/unix[03:09:18] <e^ipi> that's the correct one[03:09:24] <e^ipi> oh, actually no it's not[03:09:24] <PinkFreud> e^ipi: the script contained in http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/opensolaris_2008_11_guest_domain appears to copy a specific kernel. I did it by hand, rather than running the script, but it should be the right one.[03:09:25] <e^ipi> don't use that[03:09:28] <_Lewellyn> sayaka: ask the dyndns people. i doubt anyone here uses them[03:09:30] <PinkFreud> hehe[03:09:32] <e^ipi> forgot i had upgraded[03:09:53] <PinkFreud> I'm also trying to use the amd64 xpv kernel, for obvious reasons.[03:09:55] <_Lewellyn> sayaka: i'd be surprised if they didn't have a generic "unix/linux/osx" script[03:09:55] <PinkFreud> :)[03:10:07] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[03:10:40] <PinkFreud> I realy wish I could get the domain to crash with *some* output to indicate what's going wrong[03:11:04] <e^ipi> alright, updated it... now go download that file, that'll be your kernel[03:11:08] <e^ipi> the ramdisk should be the same one[03:11:14] <PinkFreud> unfortunately, there's nothing. xend.log has a line indicating that it's unpausing the domain, and the next line logs that the domain has crashed[03:11:18] <e^ipi> ( that's kernel build 101 )[03:11:41] <e^ipi> or 101a or whatever... the un-updated 2008.11[03:11:46] *** Doc has quit IRC[03:11:46] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[03:11:46] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC[03:11:46] *** sactodave has quit IRC[03:11:46] *** heldchen has quit IRC[03:11:46] *** _coredump_ has quit IRC[03:11:46] *** pj0tr has quit IRC[03:11:46] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[03:11:46] *** rauz___ has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** logic855 has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** neoxed has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** Tempt has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** Teknix has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** bedlam has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** charlieS has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** medar has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** doug_out has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** dmarkey has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** Wild_Gees has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** Dominic has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** xinkeT has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** frW has quit IRC[03:11:47] *** mroconnor has quit IRC[03:11:50] *** mroconnor has joined #opensolaris[03:12:03] *** Tempt has joined #opensolaris[03:12:03] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris[03:12:03] *** heldchen has joined #opensolaris[03:12:03] *** sactodave has joined #opensolaris[03:12:03] *** _coredump_ has joined #opensolaris[03:12:03] *** Wild_Gees has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** neoxed has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** bedlam has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** doug_out has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** Dominic has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** Doc has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** logic855 has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** xinkeT has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** rauz___ has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** Teknix has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** charlieS has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** oninoshiko has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** dmarkey has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** frW has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** pj0tr has joined #opensolaris[03:12:04] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o Tempt[03:12:04] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris[03:12:07] <e^ipi> freenode \o/[03:12:29] <nachox> life isnt fun without netsplits[03:12:48] <webmink> I still don't understand them[03:12:55] <_Lewellyn> sometimes i forget i'm not on EFnet :)[03:12:59] <ry_laptop> heh[03:13:05] <webmink> #opensolaris-meeting is completely unaffected[03:13:09] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[03:13:09] <ry_laptop> a netsplit is when god farts[03:13:20] <ry_laptop> it splits the internets[03:13:23] <webmink> or appears to be[03:13:27] *** victori has quit IRC[03:14:07] <PinkFreud> nope. crash.[03:14:48] <PinkFreud> [2009-03-01 21:15:16 3752] INFO (XendDomain:1165) Domain opensolaris (38) unpaused.[03:14:51] <PinkFreud> [2009-03-01 21:15:16 3752] WARNING (XendDomainInfo:1258) Domain has crashed: name=opensolaris id=38.[03:15:04] <jamesd_> what does google say?[03:15:22] <webmink> "all your metadata r belong to us"[03:16:00] <_Lewellyn> The google says... "Moooooooo..."[03:16:35] <PinkFreud> webmink: if no members on the channel were on the split server (or any of it's leaf nodes, if it has any), then you won't see the effects of the netsplit there[03:17:09] <webmink> Thanks - fascinating.[03:17:23] <_Lewellyn> also, that split was fast enough to pretty much leave everyone unaffected except for some spam[03:18:42] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: the easiest way to tell is the lack of grouphugs[03:18:50] <PinkFreud> e^ipi: any idea? :/[03:18:57] <e^ipi> *shrug*[03:19:07] <e^ipi> did you point it at the kernel i gave you?[03:19:13] <e^ipi> ( the xen kernel )[03:19:17] *** ry_laptop has quit IRC[03:19:45] <PinkFreud> e^ipi: of course.[03:19:52] *** twisti has quit IRC[03:20:38] *** tosh has quit IRC[03:20:56] <PinkFreud> to be honest, I moved my kernel out of the way and saved yours as 'unix', and then booted the domain[03:21:02] <PinkFreud> immediate crash - same as before[03:21:25] <PinkFreud> another thing I'm not sure of is if I'm providing the correct boot args to the kernel[03:21:44] <PinkFreud> extra = "/boot/VM/opensolaris/unix -B console=text,zfs-bootfs=rpool/ROOT/opensolaris,bootpath=/xpvd/xdf@0:a"[03:22:35] <jamesd_> adding a -v may be helpful but i'm just guessing[03:22:47] <e^ipi> i'm relatively certain the 'extra' argument needs to point at the kernel within the domain[03:23:02] <PinkFreud> hrm[03:23:09] <e^ipi> so /platform/i86xpv/kernel/$ISADIR/unix[03:23:23] <PinkFreud> I can use $ISADIR in there?[03:23:40] <e^ipi> $ISADIR or amd64[03:23:42] <e^ipi> take your pick[03:23:59] <e^ipi> amd64 is probably the safer bet[03:25:45] <PinkFreud> and neither did changing the extra line to point at /platform/...[03:25:57] <PinkFreud> same immediate crash onunpause[03:27:03] *** RavenSlay3r has quit IRC[03:28:18] <PinkFreud> how do I know the bootpath is correct?[03:28:21] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[03:28:35] <PinkFreud> I'm not certain /xpvd/xdf@0:a is right.[03:29:12] <PinkFreud> http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/opensolaris_2008_11_guest_domain mentions /xpvd/xdf@51712:a, but I don't see where the author comes up with that number[03:31:05] <_Lewellyn> ok. i'm failing at everything else i try today. let's try to set up an lx-branded zone! :P[03:31:37] *** ShanghaiScott has joined #opensolaris[03:32:04] <e^ipi> PinkFreud: nuke that bit, see what happens[03:32:33] <PinkFreud> e^ipi: the entire bootpath= argument?[03:32:42] <e^ipi> yaeh[03:32:50] *** anilg2 has joined #opensolaris[03:33:22] <PinkFreud> instant crash again[03:37:08] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[03:43:15] *** asarch has quit IRC[03:44:23] *** Odin- has quit IRC[03:44:32] *** Rocket2DMn has quit IRC[03:45:31] *** anilg1 has quit IRC[03:45:53] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[03:49:07] *** anilg has quit IRC[03:53:56] *** ryshask has joined #opensolaris[03:54:08] <ryshask> that's better[03:54:48] <ryshask> pure ssh goodness on phone.[03:55:25] <trichobezoar> yeeep yeeepp yeep yep yep yep yep.... UH HUH! UH HUH![03:57:27] <_Lewellyn> woo. whatcha using?[03:57:43] <ryshask> pocketputty[03:58:06] <ryshask> 64 columns.. bjut if I eval reize I'm good to go[03:58:41] <ryshask> also solaris 'w' works linux... of course spews that 64 columns iks to narrow and exits[03:58:41] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: http://www.sesamestreet.org/video_player?p_p_lifecycle=0&p_p_id=videoPlayer_WAR_sesameportlets4369&p_p_uid=4e61c51b-1550-11dd-8ea8-a3d2ac25b65b[03:58:48] <_Lewellyn> hate sucky urls :([03:58:58] <ryshask> heh[03:59:34] <ryshask> get to go home in 30 minutes.[04:00:06] <trichobezoar> thanks _Lewellyn[04:00:06] <ryshask> pocketputty is waaay better[04:00:27] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: yip yip yip yip yip[04:01:05] <_Lewellyn> ryshask: i remembered why i don't use most of the apps on that list: i get .net errors[04:02:08] *** sayaka has quit IRC[04:02:17] <ryshask> heh[04:02:41] <ryshask> yeah... I'm happy with this.[04:02:50] *** victori has joined #opensolaris[04:03:58] <trichobezoar> there was no uh huh. oh well, next time[04:05:44] <_Lewellyn> nuh uh nope nope nope nuh uh[04:05:54] <ryshask> i've had this phone for 2 months... such a time suck getting this stuff to work.[04:06:40] *** _burzum_ has joined #opensolaris[04:06:44] <_burzum_> Hey[04:06:45] <_Lewellyn> ryshask: tell me about it :([04:06:51] <_burzum_> I just got OpenSolaris Bible[04:06:51] <_Lewellyn> in the end though, it'll be worth it.[04:06:52] <_burzum_> :)[04:07:10] <_burzum_> I expect it on 13 March[04:07:21] <_Lewellyn> i'm so sick of dealing with separate MIDP apps. :P[04:08:21] *** _burzum_ has left #opensolaris[04:09:36] *** ball has joined #opensolaris[04:09:41] *** bizkut_ has left #opensolaris[04:12:06] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[04:13:57] *** m3lling has joined #opensolaris[04:19:55] *** twinkie_addict has left #opensolaris[04:22:36] *** anilg2 is now known as anilg[04:22:53] *** SQlvpapir has joined #opensolaris[04:22:58] *** Gman_ has joined #opensolaris[04:23:19] * ryshask sells out and gvegts an iphone and macbook[04:24:28] <ball> I wouldn't mind a MacBook, perhaps one of the remaining white plastic ones.[04:24:34] <ball> ...with a FireWire port.[04:24:39] <_Lewellyn> and a powerpc[04:24:44] <ryshask> heh[04:24:51] <ball> _Lewellyn: that'd be an iBook wouldn't it?[04:25:02] <ball> _Lewellyn: the one I saw had an Intel chip in it.[04:25:26] <ryshask> macbook has expresscard?[04:25:39] <e^ipi> I gotta say, i wasn't too torn up that they ditched firewire[04:25:53] <_Lewellyn> ryshask: i made sure to get a laptop with pcmcia. and then the market finally started selling expresscards :([04:25:59] <e^ipi> it's just extra wasted real estate, i'd prefer another USB port[04:26:03] <ryshask> heh[04:26:15] <ryshask> firewikre via expresscard[04:26:27] * niq onna white plastic macbook, never used the firewire[04:26:31] <_Lewellyn> ball: there were g4 macbooks, i think. they may have still been called "PowerBook"s though[04:26:37] <ryshask> need greater than 900 pixels vert[04:26:42] *** Tpenta has quit IRC[04:26:47] <niq> "need"?[04:26:57] <_Lewellyn> need is overrated[04:26:59] <ryshask> well...[04:27:05] <_Lewellyn> ryshask: what's the res of your phone? ;)[04:27:17] <ball> I think PowerBook and MacBook are two different animals.[04:27:20] <ryshask> i want to upgrade when buying a new laptop[04:27:32] <ball> (for one thing, I thought the MacBook was more like iBook than PowerBook[04:27:33] <ball> )[04:27:35] <ryshask> phone 480x320.[04:27:54] <_Lewellyn> ryshask: then you don't "need" > 900 px ;)[04:27:59] <ryshask> lol[04:28:29] <_Lewellyn> ball: i stopped following apple so much when they left ppc chips behind[04:28:34] <_Lewellyn> intel interests me less[04:28:41] *** nachox has quit IRC[04:28:55] <niq> mine is just 320x240, and is a thing of beauty :-)[04:29:03] <ball> _Lewellyn: religiously I prefer RISC. At least Apple didn't make the switch before Intel abandoned Netburst.[04:29:34] * niq would buy an ARM-based laptop, if he saw one[04:29:42] <ryshask> oops 640x480..[04:29:47] <_Lewellyn> niq: as is mine :)[04:30:13] <ryshask> bitchx looks good on it :)[04:30:13] <niq> _Lewellyn: E71 or similar?[04:30:15] <ball> niq: aren't some of those "netbook" things ARM-based?[04:30:26] <_Lewellyn> ball: intel macs don't interest me so much as they lost their "neat" technical differences[04:30:34] <ryshask> i see people with those netbooks.[04:30:48] <_Lewellyn> niq: Samsung ACE SPH-i325 (hate that model name...) windows smartphone[04:30:50] <ryshask> that's when I whip out my n810[04:31:09] <niq> ball: nokia 810 is the only one I've seen. I've been thinking about getting one[04:31:18] *** stewart has joined #opensolaris[04:31:45] <ryshask> a little s/low, theyh are a neat toy[04:31:57] <ryshask> a touch HD would be cooler[04:32:50] * niq dislikes intel. and the big heavy batteries you need to get a couple of hours with an intel[04:33:14] <ryshask> heh[04:33:30] <ryshask> that reminds me of power macs[04:34:25] <_Lewellyn> that's what i am dreading when i upgrade my cpu :([04:34:37] * niq loves his shiny new smartphone, doubts its battery would last a day if it had intel inside[04:34:44] <_Lewellyn> i like my 3-4 hours per charge (with no wifi/bluetooth) on this celeron m[04:34:51] <ball> I wouldn't mind being able to buy something like a Cambridge Z88, but with unix and WiFi and an MMC slot.[04:34:54] <ryshask> heh gvet an hp 1701u :[04:35:12] <ryshask> my x60t is similar[04:35:17] <_Lewellyn> niq: my battery doesn't last a day on my phone :([04:35:23] <_Lewellyn> i need to get the extended battery.[04:35:25] <niq> heh[04:35:27] <ryshask> 2 year old battery vgets 2 hours[04:35:45] <_Lewellyn> of course, push AND pull email eats lots of battery[04:35:53] <ryshask> yeah[04:36:03] <ryshask> 2 days max with mail[04:36:13] <ryshask> 1 qeek+£ithout[04:36:23] <ryshask> oops!![04:36:55] * niq listens to the radio, and uses GPS/maps on it. Add web/mail/phone/camera and it's earning its keep[04:36:59] <_Lewellyn> wow. you have a pound symbol on your phone?[04:37:15] <ryshask> £££[04:37:25] <ryshask> €€€ :0[04:37:35] <_Lewellyn> niq: if i cut down my mail check frequency from 5 minutes per account, it'd probably help a lot :D[04:37:52] <ryshask> niq, iphone :)[04:38:02] <niq> ryshask: spend the £ while they still buy something![04:38:12] <ryshask> heh[04:38:17] <ryshask> seriously[04:38:31] <niq> ryshask: not iphone [shudder][04:38:45] <ryshask> n97?[04:40:40] <ball> Oh that's right, I was going to google for Blackberries.[04:40:45] <niq> "Placing it next to an iPhone almost makes the iPhone look like something from Toys R Us."[04:40:49] <ryshask> n97?[04:40:56] <niq> http://www.doeswhat.com/2008/07/07/nokia-e71-5-days-later/[04:41:03] <ryshask> lol[04:41:27] <ryshask> me tries golingthere with opera mobile[04:41:40] <_Lewellyn> ball: i've heard complaints about the user-friendliness of the touch ones, fyi :)[04:42:30] *** 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is better[04:48:57] <ryshask_> web browsing on a phone is pointless anyway[04:49:05] <_Lewellyn> ryshask_: tell that to my data usage[04:49:09] <niq> nope[04:49:12] <ryshask_> heh[04:49:22] <_Lewellyn> i've used 10MB in the past 2 hours[04:49:29] <_Lewellyn> and i've barely been using my phone[04:49:33] <ryshask_> heh[04:49:40] <_Lewellyn> yay unlimited data[04:49:43] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: try living in canada... that's $10 worth of data[04:49:45] * niq uses it to listen to radio progs I've missed[04:50:04] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: for how much they're charging us for our plan, i'd better get SOME use out of it[04:50:23] <_Lewellyn> 1500 voice minutes was the smallest plan we could get. we don't use more than 200 billable minutes per month :([04:50:24] <e^ipi> i think even the iphone plan is $60 for 1GB[04:50:28] <ryshask_> that's a good idea I should stream some industrial while driving over 17[04:50:36] <niq> even more vital when travelling ... questions like where to change train for the best connection[04:50:44] <_Lewellyn> niq: yup.[04:50:51] <_Lewellyn> i also play MMOs while on the train[04:50:58] *** stewart has quit IRC[04:51:03] <_Lewellyn> yay "we're already here!?" :)[04:51:12] <e^ipi> hate canada's cell monopoly... hate it so much...[04:51:14] *** m3lling has quit IRC[04:51:25] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i hear rogers isn't SO bad...[04:51:59] * niq well pleased with his provider just now :-)[04:52:06] *** Gman_ has quit IRC[04:52:13] <e^ipi> they are bad[04:52:15] *** benr has quit IRC[04:52:17] <e^ipi> they're quite bad actually[04:52:32] <qiyong> what does the sw means in cdevsw?[04:52:34] <e^ipi> $60 per gigabyte and they'll screw you 3 ways from sunday[04:53:24] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i've heard that they're better than bell. that's about all i know of the canadian market.[04:53:34] <_Lewellyn> oh and that rogers gets sprint's handsets 6 months later :P[04:53:53] <e^ipi> "better than bell" is not a hard metric[04:53:56] *** stewart__ is now known as stewart[04:54:03] <e^ipi> "better than self-immolation"[04:54:04] <_Lewellyn> heh[04:54:18] *** twinkie_addict has joined #opensolaris[04:54:48] <_Lewellyn> quick! hide the sugar![04:55:07] <twinkie_addict> ok wine works delightfuly but no sound for win apps how do i fix that[04:56:12] <e^ipi> write a solaris audio driver for wine?[04:57:15] <twinkie_addict> so basicly short of do ing that there is no way to get sound in wine[04:57:24] <qiyong> what does the sw means in cdevsw? e^ipi[04:57:26] <e^ipi> i dunno, i was just giving a suggestion[04:57:33] <e^ipi> qiyong: i dunno, software maybe[04:58:05] <twinkie_addict> is there an pre compiled oss driver for OS[04:58:12] <ball> _Lewellyn: Ah no, I'm more likely to seek out a black & white GPRS one with buttons.[04:58:13] <e^ipi> yes[04:58:17] <ball> ...or even WiFi[04:58:19] <ball> Not touch.[04:59:03] *** Azhax has quit IRC[04:59:03] <CIA-40> Rafael Vanoni <rafael.vanoni at sun dot com>: 6811526 6807218 introduced a small regression into PowerTOP[04:59:05] <CIA-40> Michael Corcoran <Michael.Corcoran at Sun dot COM>: 6805501 memcntl() failed due to ENOMEM for pagesize 268435456 with snv_108[04:59:14] <_Lewellyn> twinkie_addict: i can't get wine working. so you're further than i am[04:59:38] <_Lewellyn> ball: when did i mention getting a touch device? i purposely didn't get one, myself.[04:59:42] *** Gman_ has joined #opensolaris[04:59:59] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: luddite[05:00:00] <e^ipi> ;)[05:00:11] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i dial people randomly as it is :)[05:00:19] *** stewart__ has joined #opensolaris[05:00:31] <e^ipi> my phone's a samsung[05:00:41] <e^ipi> it has a random dial button on the side[05:00:49] <e^ipi> and the other side has a random picture button[05:00:58] <e^ipi> so i have a whole lot of photos and videos of the inside of my pocket[05:01:27] *** MyAzhax has joined #opensolaris[05:02:30] * ball is cold[05:02:34] <ball> hello MyAzhax[05:02:45] <ball> _Lewellyn: earlier, slap PgUp a few times.[05:03:00] *** 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has joined #opensolaris[05:07:51] *** twinkie_addict has left #opensolaris[05:08:49] <ball> _Lewellyn: Where did you see me considering a touch screen jobbie? :-)[05:08:51] *** Azhax has joined #opensolaris[05:09:10] <_Lewellyn> where do you see me suggesting one? :)[05:09:12] <jamesd_> _Lewellyn: okay, i'm installing it now.. courier wasn't giving me a warm fuzzy anyway..[05:09:50] <_Lewellyn> oh bah. i had sd support under solaris 10. let's see how to do it under opensolaris[05:10:11] *** MyAzhax has quit IRC[05:13:49] <ball> _Lewellyn: yeah, so *if* I were to buy one, I hope it would be one of the old black & white ones.[05:14:09] *** Gman__ has joined #opensolaris[05:14:42] *** stewart_ has joined #opensolaris[05:15:08] <flyingparchment> here's an awesome error message: /usr/bin/showrev: opendir[05:16:13] <_Lewellyn> ball: i like my color non-touchscreen :)[05:16:35] *** metbsd has joined #opensolaris[05:16:49] <metbsd> how do i upgrade opensolaris[05:17:16] <_Lewellyn> live upgrade[05:17:17] <e^ipi> pkg(1)[05:17:25] <e^ipi> or liveupgrade if you're not using 2008.xx[05:18:05] *** anilg has quit IRC[05:18:22] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[05:18:33] *** Gman___ has quit IRC[05:19:06] <metbsd> do i type it in cmd?[05:19:09] *** ball has quit IRC[05:20:23] *** webmink has quit IRC[05:20:53] <_Lewellyn> metbsd: which version are you running, first?[05:21:23] <metbsd> 5.11[05:21:26] <metbsd> for i386[05:21:59] <e^ipi> which tell us exactly nothing at all[05:22:09] <e^ipi> except that you're not using solaris 10[05:22:22] <metbsd> so what you want to knwo[05:22:35] <_Lewellyn> snv_???[05:22:40] <metbsd> 101b[05:22:46] <e^ipi> cat /etc/release[05:22:53] <metbsd> snv_101b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris[05:23:00] <e^ipi> not uname[05:23:03] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i was going to suggest that, but i was afraid he may paste the whole file[05:23:05] <e^ipi> /etc/release[05:23:22] <metbsd> OpenSolaris 2008.11 snv_101b_rc2 X86[05:23:23] <e^ipi> uname tells you the kernel, of which there are about half a dozen distros it could be[05:23:27] <e^ipi> there you go.[05:23:35] <e^ipi> so yes, you would use pkg(1)[05:23:40] <e^ipi> the manual page gives you syntax[05:24:01] <metbsd> manual page of what[05:24:04] <e^ipi> of pkg.[05:24:06] <_Lewellyn> pkg...[05:24:12] <_Lewellyn> metbsd: are you new to unix?[05:24:40] <metbsd> yes[05:24:42] <metbsd> very new[05:24:52] <metbsd> how do i upgrade all pkgs[05:25:01] <metbsd> and i need to install kde[05:25:04] <_Lewellyn> if i may ask, why are you wanting to run opensolaris/solaris/unix?[05:25:12] <e^ipi> http://opensolaris.org/sc/src/pkg/gate/src/man/pkg.1.txt[05:25:14] <_Lewellyn> for kde?[05:25:20] <_Lewellyn> windows.kde.org[05:25:30] <_Lewellyn> no need to learn anything new, then ;)[05:25:37] <e^ipi> the image-update subcommand[05:25:44] <metbsd> i want to try it. i don't yet if i like it or hate it[05:26:20] <_Lewellyn> well, solaris isn't yet "newbie friendly", so don't get too discouraged by rough edges.[05:26:42] <metbsd> ok[05:26:54] <_Lewellyn> i definitely recommend picking up a good "getting started with unix" book...[05:27:17] *** gm152 has quit IRC[05:27:21] <_Lewellyn> o'reilly has a good one, lemme get a link for you[05:27:37] <Andys^> anyone played with the new autoinstaller?[05:27:49] <Andys^> ISO[05:28:03] <_Lewellyn> metbsd: i recommend this one: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596100292/index.html[05:28:29] <_Lewellyn> great thing about that book is that it has solaris 10 and linux stuff, in addition to general knowledge.[05:28:53] <_Lewellyn> practically all the solaris 10 stuff applies to opensolaris. and quite a bit of the linux stuff should, too.[05:29:03] <metbsd> itś doing image-update[05:29:06] <metbsd> creating plan[05:29:08] <metbsd> hoho[05:29:10] *** MyAzhax has joined #opensolaris[05:29:25] <metbsd> i might like it[05:29:42] <_Lewellyn> i'd buy it with http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596002619/index.html[05:29:54] <_Lewellyn> those 2 books will definitely get you up to speed as fast as possible[05:31:03] <_Lewellyn> and if you're looking to be all-powerful and also take advantage of the buy 2, get 1 free promo, i'd add this one: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596001957/index.html[05:31:06] <_Lewellyn> :)[05:31:19] *** kmays has quit IRC[05:31:25] <metbsd> what else are cool commands to keep system upgrade and install kde , does solaris have repositories like redhat?[05:31:33] * _Lewellyn punts on that[05:31:43] <_Lewellyn> i run sxce and don't get pkg(1)[05:31:47] <metbsd> ok thanks _Lewellyn iĺl read those[05:32:06] <_Lewellyn> metbsd: there's plenty of good books out there, but those are venerable choices.[05:32:19] <_Lewellyn> i got started with the first edition of unix in a nutshell[05:32:40] <_Lewellyn> wonder what year that came out...[05:32:47] *** stewart has quit IRC[05:33:47] <flyingparchment> hmm, all the unix books i read were when the two flavours of Unix were BSD and SVR4[05:34:02] <flyingparchment> but i think stan kelly-bootle's "understanding unix" is still a good read[05:34:08] *** Guest55163 has joined #opensolaris[05:34:11] <flyingparchment> (but it only covers the userland, not admin) - sadly, it's out of print[05:34:40] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: yeah. i noticed that[05:34:59] <_Lewellyn> and unix in a nutshell dealt with "both" kinds of unix until like 3rd edition[05:35:00] <metbsd> unix and linux are same[05:35:03] <_Lewellyn> no[05:35:10] <_Lewellyn> similar, but not the same.[05:35:43] <metbsd> but i find solaris on i386 appear slower than linux[05:36:00] *** Gman_ has quit IRC[05:36:12] <e^ipi> metbsd: they are absolutely not the same[05:36:20] *** Guest55163 is now known as sunxx[05:36:35] <e^ipi> if it feels slower, you don't have enough ram ;)[05:37:10] <metbsd> i have run image-update, what to do next[05:37:32] <e^ipi> it tells you what to do next on the console[05:38:53] *** init3 has quit IRC[05:39:04] *** stewart__ has joined #opensolaris[05:39:21] *** Gman_ has joined 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<sayaka> oooh, ok...but, is this a backup file, is it not?[06:28:38] <flyingparchment> an editor backup, you mean? i've never seen an editor that used \ to mark its backup files. but it's possible[06:29:25] <e^ipi> usually they use dotfiles of some description[06:29:33] <e^ipi> gedit uses a tailing ~ too IICR[06:29:35] <e^ipi> *IIRC[06:30:13] <sayaka> and after i delete it...the image in the browser does not change to the new file index.php[06:30:30] <sayaka> this is kind of ghostly[06:31:02] <sayaka> i am working off /var/apache2/2.2/htdocs[06:31:18] <sayaka> there is where i am editing the new index.php[06:31:39] <sayaka> but i keep getting the information that was on the index.php\ file[06:32:12] <e^ipi> browser cache...[06:32:32] *** Disorganized_ has joined #OpenSolaris[06:32:43] <_Lewellyn> or unsaved index.php buffer[06:32:48] *** swa_work has quit IRC[06:33:01] *** niq has quit IRC[06:33:04] <_Lewellyn> so no one here uses sd cards under opensolaris/sxce?[06:35:20] <e^ipi> my camera has an SD card[06:35:21] *** swa_work has joined #opensolaris[06:35:29] <e^ipi> *shrug*[06:35:32] <e^ipi> it works[06:35:49] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: mmk. out of the box? in opensolaris or sxce?[06:35:57] <e^ipi> works on both[06:36:01] <e^ipi> and yes, out of the box[06:36:11] <e^ipi> i plug it in, it shows up as a removable disk[06:36:22] <_Lewellyn> hm. wonder why sxce isn't seeing it[06:36:33] <_Lewellyn> and i'm not finding the driver that i used for solaris 10[06:37:50] <_Lewellyn> aha. sdcard-20081202.tar.gz[06:39:09] <_Lewellyn> and all the files in that archive exist in my install... :([06:40:38] <_Lewellyn> should i see something in /var/adm/messages when i plug the card in?[06:42:09] <_Lewellyn> i see it in prtconf[06:43:07] *** ken has joined #opensolaris[06:44:44] *** Disorganized has quit IRC[06:46:23] <_Lewellyn> anyone have any suggestions as to why this sd card isn't mounting?[06:50:29] <_Lewellyn> i'm not even getting a light on the sd slot upon insertion :([06:50:38] <radsy> what does prtconf say?[06:50:53] <_Lewellyn> full prtconf or just relevant section?[06:51:00] <radsy> just the section[06:51:54] <_Lewellyn> http://nopaste.info/b0365d458b.html[06:52:25] <_Lewellyn> i should run my own gnopaste server :P[06:52:38] *** gehmehgeh has joined #opensolaris[06:53:21] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[06:53:59] <radsy> hmm, i'm guessing here - but does /dev/cfg/sdcard0/0 exist?[06:55:14] <radsy> or just /dev/sdcard0 perhaps[06:55:14] <_Lewellyn> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 59 Feb 24 06:58 /dev/cfg/sdcard0/0 -> ../../../devices/pci@0,0/pci8086,2448@1e/pci1179,ff00@4,3:0[06:55:16] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[06:55:18] <_Lewellyn> :([06:55:28] <_Lewellyn> that was something i had already wondered[06:55:49] <radsy> does /dev/sdcard0 exist?[06:56:11] <_Lewellyn> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 3 Feb 24 06:58 /dev/cfg/sdcard0[06:56:24] <radsy> what have you tried to mount it?[06:56:34] <radsy> stuck it in /etc/vfstab? mount commands?[06:57:09] <_Lewellyn> under solaris 10, i didn't have to add it to vfstab...[06:57:42] <_Lewellyn> it was automagically automounted like a cd or floppy would be[06:58:09] <_Lewellyn> all i did, afiacr, is install the driver and reboot[06:58:36] <radsy> ok[06:58:39] <radsy> not too sure, sorry[06:58:54] <CIA-40> Michael Speer <Michael.Speer at Sun dot COM>: 6800787 default interrupt usage for nxge should be msi-x for x64 systems, 6808276 Tunable for number of RX rings for nxge is broken, 6760832 nxge loses foot accounting for its tx descriptors[06:59:58] <_Lewellyn> yeah, that's all i did, according to my notes :([07:00:42] <_Lewellyn> how can i see if a patch was accepted?[07:00:51] <alain10> lewellyn, do you know opensolaris well, are u certified somehow[07:01:02] <_Lewellyn> alain10: i just installed it about a week ago[07:01:16] <alain10> oh really[07:01:26] <_Lewellyn> i've used sunos/solaris for many years, but i'm new to opensolaris[07:01:36] <ryshask_> hmm[07:01:47] <ryshask_> this putty mobile client rocks[07:01:53] <alain10> isn't it the same[07:01:54] <_Lewellyn> ryshask_: make it work for me then, thanks ;)[07:01:58] <_Lewellyn> alain10: not quite :)[07:02:11] <ryshask_> light on the battery to.[07:02:27] <_Lewellyn> ryshask_: my VC++ environment is borked atm :([07:02:38] <alain10> in styding for system admin solaris 10[07:02:41] *** ken has quit IRC[07:02:54] <alain10> and bought the opensolaris bible[07:03:56] <_Lewellyn> alain10: most solaris knowledge will carry over to (at least) sxce (and maybe opensolaris in general), but the reverse is not necessarily true[07:05:04] <alain10> what it the best certs for solaris[07:05:13] <e^ipi> there are more than one?[07:05:28] *** oxygen-a1dict has joined #opensolaris[07:05:58] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: kinda[07:06:12] <e^ipi> there's the SCSA, and the ones that build off that[07:06:17] <_Lewellyn> alain10: go for SCSA unless you need SCSECA or something[07:06:27] <_Lewellyn> skip SCSAS[07:07:06] <_Lewellyn> (i think you can get by without doing SCSAS anyhow)[07:07:32] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[07:08:07] <_Lewellyn> i should do the SCNA and SCSECA at some point. it'd make me "valuable" or something :)[07:08:26] *** SQlvpapir has quit IRC[07:11:28] <alain10> whats the starting pay for scsa :)[07:14:41] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris[07:16:13] <Andys^> this is just bizarre[07:16:27] <Andys^> trying to boot opensolaris on vmware. it worked.. once... but i had forgotten to add disks[07:16:45] <Andys^> so i stopped the VM, went back and added a disk, and now it won't work[07:16:51] *** nightstrike_ has quit IRC[07:16:56] <Andys^> it won't go into graphics mode - just sits at the console login prompt after booting the CD[07:17:02] <Andys^> even if i remove the hard disk again[07:18:03] *** oxygen-addict has quit IRC[07:18:55] *** alain10 has quit IRC[07:20:56] *** axisys has quit IRC[07:22:03] *** wbits has quit IRC[07:24:03] *** ShanghaiScott has quit IRC[07:25:03] <_Lewellyn> Andys^: yay wonkiness![07:25:14] <Andys^> this is totally bizarre. removed the whole thing and trying to start again, still wont work[07:25:46] <Andys^> i swear to god, i was on the liveCD desktop about an hour ago[07:25:49] <Andys^> and now i can't get it back[07:25:55] <_Lewellyn> try again with no vmdk?[07:27:23] *** simNIX has joined #opensolaris[07:27:28] <Andys^> yep, tried that[07:27:38] <Andys^> even tried rebooting ESXi server[07:30:08] <_Lewellyn> i call bug :)[07:30:32] <_Lewellyn> gah. this sdcard thing's upsetting me :)[07:30:34] <_Lewellyn> :( even[07:31:21] <_Lewellyn> anyone know if these fixes have made it into sxce? http://cr.opensolaris.org/%7Egdamore/sdcard/[07:31:28] <_Lewellyn> i have no idea how to find out[07:31:53] <metbsd> there's not even kde in opensol?[07:32:07] <_Lewellyn> metbsd: no. there's no kde on any solaris variant, as far as i know[07:32:16] <_Lewellyn> why do you want kde, anyhow?[07:32:53] <metbsd> why is there no kde on any solaris, any how[07:33:05] <_Lewellyn> the default desktop should be fairly functional[07:33:11] <flyingparchment> there are several KDE3 packages, and an active effort porting KDE4[07:33:12] <_Lewellyn> well, solaris chose gnome ages ago[07:33:25] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: that's not "Batteries Included" though :)[07:34:01] <metbsd> kde is more than functional[07:34:02] <_Lewellyn> and since i don't use "opensolaris", i can't help him install packages except via SFE[07:34:26] <_Lewellyn> metbsd: as is gnome/jds/whatever-it's-called-now[07:35:40] *** sayaka has quit IRC[07:36:00] <_Lewellyn> there's literally years of work in fine-tuning gnome to work "right" on solaris[07:36:38] <_Lewellyn> if opensolaris is anything like sxce, you've got things that expect the gnome panel. like, in my case, i have the power meter and wifi and input methods there.[07:36:52] <_Lewellyn> i doubt they'd work seamlessly in kde[07:37:27] <_Lewellyn> but you're welcome to install kde. just expect very little help when we say to do something and you don't have it :)[07:37:35] <flyingparchment> they should work fine, the systray interface is standardised in X[07:41:03] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[07:41:35] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: erm, how are they standardized?[07:41:50] <flyingparchment> by having a standard interface for an application to add a systray entry[07:41:58] <_Lewellyn> what interface is this?[07:42:02] * _Lewellyn is honestly curious[07:42:10] <flyingparchment> "the systray interface".. i have no idea[07:42:14] <flyingparchment> you can probably find it on freedesktop.org[07:42:22] <_Lewellyn> oh. so it's a freedesktopism[07:42:31] <_Lewellyn> that's not exactly "standardized in X"[07:42:47] <_Lewellyn> freedesktop.org is pretty new to the game, after all :)[07:43:09] <flyingparchment> yes, you win. well done[07:43:16] <_Lewellyn> not trying to win[07:43:38] <_Lewellyn> i'm just wondering why i've been pulling my hair for years if there was something i should have been using[07:45:32] *** 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tomorrow[09:01:52] *** neoxed_ has joined #OpenSolaris[09:03:02] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[09:04:45] *** div18 has joined #opensolaris[09:06:00] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris[09:06:31] *** Ingvae has joined #opensolaris[09:08:27] *** neoxed has quit IRC[09:09:13] *** StayTuned has joined #opensolaris[09:10:04] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris[09:13:04] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[09:13:07] <gerryxiao> hello[09:14:00] <gerryxiao> i have a ide harddisk whole for solaris, and i want to add another hardisk to system and set them as raid0, howtodo it?[09:16:06] *** DTEIT has joined #opensolaris[09:16:11] *** stewart__ has joined #opensolaris[09:16:19] <gerryxiao> zpool add mirror hd2 hd1?[09:16:22] *** wbits has joined #opensolaris[09:16:31] <gerryxiao> zpool add rpool mirror hd2 hd1?[09:16:39] *** gehmehgeh has left #opensolaris[09:16:51] <_Lewellyn> a mirror is not a stripe. raid 0 is a stripe. you can't stripe the root pool.[09:17:06] <gerryxiao> then, howto?[09:17:13] *** stewart__ is now known as stewart[09:17:14] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[09:17:15] <_Lewellyn> you'd need to do it with your hardware raid controller[09:17:25] <gerryxiao> hmm[09:17:43] <_Lewellyn> then solaris will see "one big disk"[09:17:52] <fraggeln> stripe is always fail :D[09:17:59] <fraggeln> one disk dies, whole system dies.[09:18:05] <fraggeln> often very bad :)[09:18:13] <flyingparchment> that's only fail if it matters that the system dies[09:18:13] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[09:18:16] <asyd> \_o<[09:18:21] <flyingparchment> it's not uncommon nowdays to do redundancy by having several systems[09:18:24] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[09:18:24] <gerryxiao> does mirror improve performance?[09:18:31] *** linma has joined #opensolaris[09:18:34] <flyingparchment> gerryxiao: yes, for reading (not writing)[09:18:40] <fraggeln> gerryxiao: read only :/[09:19:24] <gerryxiao> i have hd1 as rpool, and howto setup hd2 as hd1 mirror?[09:19:55] *** div17 has quit 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requesting 2 addresses from the DHCP server with my ath wifi.[09:34:46] <IvanR_> Are you running a recent build with crossbow?[09:35:22] *** FastJack_ has joined #opensolaris[09:35:27] *** FastJack_ is now known as FastJack[09:35:58] <_Lewellyn> IvanR_: sxce 108[09:36:11] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[09:36:14] <_Lewellyn> i assume it has crossbow, but i'm not sure how to verify[09:36:43] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: make a vnic attached to your physical nic (dladm create-vnic -l bge0 vnic0)[09:36:54] <therealsamc> then do what IvanR_ said and create a zone with ip-type=exclusive[09:36:57] <gerryxiao> how to add another disk as mirror of current disk used as rpool[09:36:57] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[09:37:05] <therealsamc> then 'add net', 'set physical=vnic0'[09:37:08] <sickness> morning all[09:37:09] <IvanR_> Yeah, since 105 I think, dladm should have {create,delete,show}-etherstub sub-commands[09:37:16] <therealsamc> you can call the vnic interface whatever you want; doesn't need to be vnicX[09:37:26] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: will that persist across reboots?[09:37:27] <fraggeln> gerryxiao: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461[09:37:35] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: the creation of the vnic? yes[09:37:46] *** div18 has quit IRC[09:37:54] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: and will it "just work" each reboot?[09:38:02] <therealsamc> yep, does for me :)[09:38:12] <IvanR_> gerryxiao: zpool attach <poolname> <current disk> <new disk>[09:38:19] <_Lewellyn> including the zone getting a lease when it comes up? :)[09:38:33] <therealsamc> that I'm not 100% sure of, I haven't used it to do dhcp[09:38:58] <therealsamc> but I've got half a dozen zones using vnic interfaces talking out onto the lan as if they had a physical interface[09:39:01] <gerryxiao> IvanR_: ok[09:39:42] <_Lewellyn> IvanR_: mmk. your turn... you're sure your approach will allow a pair of dhcp leases, and it'll "just work" when the zone auto-boots? :)[09:41:46] <IvanR_> I don't know, I haven't done dhcp inside a zone either, but with exclusive-ip it should work just like the global zone, with /etc/dhcp.<ifname>[09:42:36] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: as far as the zone's concerned, it appears to be a physical nic attached to the wire. the create-vnic command invents a MAC address for it and everything ;)[09:42:38] *** gerard13 has joined #opensolaris[09:42:51] <therealsamc> and one of the Crossbow projects claims was that it would let you use dhcp and snoop in zones[09:42:52] <IvanR_> The part I'm not sure about is if wifi handles multiple mac addresses.[09:42:53] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: but leases are generated per mac[09:43:10] <_Lewellyn> IvanR_: that's why i specified wifi from the get-go :)[09:43:15] <therealsamc> yeah, the create-vnic command generates a random one and ties it to the interface[09:43:18] <_Lewellyn> i'm really not sure either[09:43:19] <gerryxiao> IvanR_: EFI labled devices are not support on root pool[09:43:20] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[09:43:25] <therealsamc> so the switch you're on will see two MACs on the one port[09:43:39] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: or the AP, in my case...[09:43:41] <IvanR_> I don't know, I don't have any wifi here to test with vnics[09:43:46] <gerryxiao> how to change EFI to other?[09:43:59] <lukehasnoname> Does osol have a CLI text editor that isn't vi?[09:43:59] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: or that. :)[09:44:03] <_Lewellyn> i'm mostly concerned since wifi doesn't come up automatically at boot[09:44:17] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: emacs?[09:44:20] <lukehasnoname> ehh[09:44:25] <therealsamc> lukehasnoname: it has ed, but if you don't like vi I don't recommend it :D[09:44:26] <lukehasnoname> I was looking nano or pico or ee[09:44:49] <_Lewellyn> real unix comes with ed, ex, vi, emacs. in order of "heaviness" :)[09:45:17] <IvanR_> gerryxiao: format -e[09:45:28] <IvanR_> gerryxiao: http://wadofstuff.blogspot.com/2008/02/solution-solaris-10-fails-to-install-on.html[09:46:23] <gerryxiao> thx[09:47:14] <lukehasnoname> Should I use emacs or vi? and should I license the code I'm writing under GPL or BSD?[09:47:22] <lukehasnoname> and should I use red heat or ubuntu?[09:47:25] *** Erwann has joined #opensolaris[09:47:29] <lukehasnoname> <_<[09:47:58] <lukehasnoname> I am trolling hard tonight[09:48:00] <_Lewellyn> use vi, it's everywhere. use bsd, it's freer. use opensolaris, not linux[09:48:09] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: you're failing :)[09:48:31] <therealsamc> lukehasnoname: sorry, I can only give you 7/10 .. for full marks you would've needed to slip gnome vs kde in there somewhere too[09:48:36] <jbit> lukehasnoname: ed, public domain, caldera, duh[09:48:51] <lukehasnoname> i tried fedora[09:49:00] <lukehasnoname> I promptly installed opensolaris over it[09:49:15] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: wmx is the answer to that debate. channels are the ultimate virtual desktop metaphor ;)[09:49:32] *** twisti__ is now known as twisti[09:49:33] <therealsamc> never heard of that one[09:49:35] <lukehasnoname> I want to try out FreeIPA, as I hear it is freakin' awesome as an AD replacement and LDAP/kerberos command center[09:49:43] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: it's very minimalist :)[09:49:54] <twisti> Hi![09:49:55] <_Lewellyn> on non-solaris machines, it's my window manager of choice[09:49:59] <twisti> I have a zone question:[09:50:06] <_Lewellyn> twisti: join the club ;)[09:50:09] <therealsamc> I pretty much only use X at work now these days, and gnome does the trick there ;)[09:50:17] <therealsamc> I used to quite like fluxbox though[09:50:21] <_Lewellyn> ok. lemme try therealsamc's approach with dladm[09:50:30] <therealsamc> good luck! ;)[09:50:32] <twisti> When I'm logged in into a VPN, I can't SSH to my one anymore.[09:50:41] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: i need supportability with solaris. gnome is supported. therefore... :)[09:50:42] <twisti> I can ping it though.[09:50:52] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: heh, true that[09:51:07] <therealsamc> twisti: are you sure you're pinging your zone and not a host at the other end of the vpn?[09:51:38] <twisti> Yes, I tried traceroute too.[09:51:57] <therealsamc> hmm[09:52:02] <therealsamc> what do you get when you try to ssh in?[09:52:03] <_Lewellyn> ooh. looks like no crossbow for me[09:52:05] <_Lewellyn> :([09:52:10] <therealsamc> if you telnet to the zone on port 22 do you even get a connection[09:52:11] *** Chipdancer has quit IRC[09:52:18] <twisti> No I don't:[09:52:20] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: that's odd, I'm running 108 and I'm able to do it[09:52:23] <twisti> $ telnet 192.168.1.200 22[09:52:23] <twisti> Trying 192.168.1.200...[09:52:23] <twisti> ^C[09:52:31] <therealsamc> _Lewellyn: you're running 108 in your global zone?[09:52:33] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: sxce?[09:52:47] <tsoome> _Lewellyn: what ethernet adapter you have?[09:52:50] <therealsamc> I think it's in sxce[09:53:01] <therealsamc> oh yeah, it doens't play nice with some adapters[09:53:05] <_Lewellyn> 973 lewellyn@looking-glass$ pfexec dladm create-vnic -l ath0 lx0[09:53:05] <_Lewellyn> dladm: unknown subcommand 'create-vnic'[09:53:12] <_Lewellyn> what did i f up? :P[09:53:20] <therealsamc> nah, that's the right syntax[09:53:48] <_Lewellyn> so i'm stuck natting :P[09:54:01] <therealsamc> 'Update: Crossbow was integrated in Nevada build 105 on December 4th, 2008!'[09:54:06] <therealsamc> Nevada == SXCE, right?[09:54:22] *** hsp has quit IRC[09:54:34] <therealsamc> just trying to remember if I've got SXCE on my other laptop, sec[09:54:53] <_Lewellyn> i'll add it to my list of "things from december that don't actually seem to BE in sxce yet" :([09:55:03] <therealsamc> heh :([09:55:27] <_Lewellyn> http://cr.opensolaris.org/~gdamore/sdcard/ is my biggest complaint atm. i'm not sure how to see whether it was committed[09:55:44] <therealsamc> rats, nah the other laptop has opensolaris too, I've only got SXCE in a vm at work[09:56:08] <_Lewellyn> oh haha[09:56:15] <_Lewellyn> looking-glass is solaris/sparc[09:56:21] <_Lewellyn> hate ssh :)[09:56:36] *** mcepl has joined #opensolaris[09:56:53] <_Lewellyn> 634 lewellyn@cheshire-cat:/home/lewellyn$ pfexec dladm create-vnic -l ath0 lx0[09:56:53] <_Lewellyn> dladm: vnic creation over ath0 failed: operation not supported[09:56:56] <_Lewellyn> that's more useful[09:57:10] <_Lewellyn> though i still don't like it :([09:57:25] <tsoome> ath0 isnt GLDv3[09:57:40] <tsoome> apparently...[09:57:43] <_Lewellyn> so IvanR_'s suggestion wouldn't work either?[09:58:37] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:59:30] <_Lewellyn> ath v0.7.3 for OpenSolaris (2008-07-15) new * NOTE: With Crossbow integration, this version can be used with onnv105 and previous builds. On onnv105+ builds, user can use the integrated driver directly.[09:59:32] <_Lewellyn> hm.[09:59:34] <mcepl> when I installed opensolaris as KVM guest I said that my language is Czech, but it badly screwed my keyboard layout (probably vnc does not work well with switching keyboards) -- however I cannot find how to get rid of the QWERTZ keyboard. I have now en_US Gnome session, no input methods, but still QWERTZ, in kbd -s I switched to en_US (do I need to reboot the machine?), but still QWERTZ[09:59:56] *** niq has quit IRC[10:00:01] <_Lewellyn> mcepl: in X?[10:00:07] <IvanR_> I'm not sure if it's a GLDv3 or wifi issue. I just tried on my laptop, and can create a vnic on the wired iprb0, but not pcwl0[10:00:37] * _Lewellyn tries to remember how to start the input method preference thinger[10:00:48] *** wdp has joined #opensolaris[10:00:52] <mcepl> _Lewellyn: zes[10:00:58] *** hsp has joined #opensolaris[10:00:58] <mcepl> yes[10:01:13] * _Lewellyn sees the issue :D[10:01:16] <mcepl> but from kbd(1) it looks like I need to reboot; so will be back in a moment[10:01:31] <mcepl> or should not I?[10:01:54] <_Lewellyn> /usr/bin/iiim-properties[10:02:08] <mcepl> I was there and switched everything off[10:02:14] <_Lewellyn> see what it sees your keyboard as[10:02:16] <_Lewellyn> hm[10:02:20] *** niq has joined #opensolaris[10:02:32] <_Lewellyn> i'd just set it to only know my keyboard[10:02:40] <_Lewellyn> also, you using 108?[10:03:00] * _Lewellyn remembers seeing something akin to this RE: 108[10:03:02] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[10:03:05] * _Lewellyn searches browser history[10:03:09] *** Ingvae has quit IRC[10:03:47] <_Lewellyn> http://blogs.sun.com/alanc/entry/xorg_1_5_3_in[10:03:56] <_Lewellyn> search for 6801598[10:04:02] <twisti> therealsamc, Anything I can try?[10:04:11] <twisti> (to get SSH working)[10:04:39] <_Lewellyn> IvanR_: but if it's got crossbow integration, it's probably not a GLDv3 issue, correct?[10:05:13] *** Deesl has quit IRC[10:05:30] <therealsamc> twisti: when you're on the vpn, what's in your route table?[10:05:37] <therealsamc> oh, you said you can ping it though didn't you[10:05:37] <therealsamc> hmm[10:05:49] <twisti> Yes:[10:05:55] <twisti> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.200: icmp_seq=0. time=0.152 ms[10:05:59] <_Lewellyn> can you nmap it? :)[10:06:01] <therealsamc> I'm not sure, to be honest I've never touched ipsec on solaris so I'm not sure how it interacts with the networking stack[10:06:08] <_Lewellyn> oh. ipsec?[10:06:14] * _Lewellyn backs away, slowly.[10:06:25] <mcepl> _Lewellyn: thanks, makes sense[10:06:27] <_Lewellyn> ipsec is neat, but it skeers me off.[10:06:43] <twisti> Yeah, have no idea about it.[10:06:49] <twisti> I'm using the Punchin client.[10:06:54] <_Lewellyn> mcepl: theoretically, it should be fixed in 109 :)[10:06:57] <therealsamc> yeah, I'd much rather leave the ipsec stuff to cisco gear; seems to do it with a lot less hassle than landing them on a PC[10:07:09] <_Lewellyn> mcepl: that, or use the workaround :)[10:07:30] <_Lewellyn> therealsamc: and windows. windows can do lots of ipsec without the user ever knowing or caring :)[10:08:05] <therealsamc> haha, whenever I've tried it's fought me every step of the way[10:08:11] <therealsamc> but admittedly I've never tried particularly hard[10:08:18] <twisti> Hmm[10:08:20] <twisti> This sucks.[10:08:22] <mcepl> well, that leads to another question -- I have just install 2008.11 and update managed (or what is the name of the thingy) does not see any updates ... ??? Is it possible? Are Sun folks SO good, that you need no update for four months?[10:08:37] <twisti> Hang on...[10:08:43] <therealsamc> mcepl: 2008.11 hasn't changed since .. November 2008 :)[10:08:55] <therealsamc> you can switch to the dev repository to get all the current 'less stable' builds though[10:09:19] <therealsamc> but yeah, keep in mind that because it's less mature code it might be less reliable[10:09:27] <mcepl> therealsamc: you mean, there are no updates, no security errata (I know we had at least couple of Firefox security updates)[10:09:37] <mcepl> ?[10:09:58] <therealsamc> I don't think they're doing security patches for it, it's still very much a development OS[10:10:06] <mcepl> auch[10:10:15] <c00p> I think they are if you pay for maintanence ...[10:10:33] <therealsamc> people are concentrating more on getting it finished than fixing bugs in the older releases[10:10:50] <therealsamc> c00p: yeah, once Sun makes a build and puts the Solaris 11 label on it[10:10:53] * mcepl thinks that development OS means a lot of updates, but maybe he is too spoiled from Fedora/Rawhide where a day without 100MB of updates is a day with broken Fedora infrastructure :)[10:11:02] <therealsamc> mcepl: heh :)[10:11:06] <therealsamc> switch to the dev repository :p[10:11:09] <therealsamc> it's much more exciting[10:11:09] <twisti> Ugh.[10:11:12] <c00p> therealsamc: You can already pay for support with Opensolaris 2008.11[10:11:14] <twisti> I can't even SSH myself.[10:11:18] <lukehasnoname> the pkg program feels slow[10:11:45] <_Lewellyn> mcepl: most of the the users of 2008.11 are probably running something newer by now :)[10:12:05] <sickness> mcepl: so much? how many programmers do they have to push 100mb of data a day?!? it's almost an entire new os every time :P[10:12:10] <c00p> I know I am 106 :)[10:12:30] <therealsamc> sickness: back in my day, an OS came on a pair of floppy disks![10:12:45] <flyingparchment> real OSs never came on floppies[10:12:46] <c00p> sickness: it's not the most efficient 'upgrade'[10:12:54] <elektronkind> boot tape[10:12:54] <therealsamc> and now some old timer is going to come out with something about SCO on qic-02 :p[10:13:04] <_Lewellyn> pair?[10:13:10] <elektronkind> I still have sunos 4.1.1 tapes laying around somewhere[10:13:17] <c00p> lol[10:13:29] <elektronkind> probably next to my ULTRIX cds[10:13:34] <c00p> I have the SunOS 1.1.1 media in a sealed box on my desk @ work :)[10:14:00] <mcepl> sickness: small update of OpenOffice makes 100MB in itself ;-)[10:14:05] <elektronkind> you might mean solaris 1.1.1, which was sunos 4.1.4[10:14:06] <flyingparchment> c00p: sunos or solaris?[10:14:07] <therealsamc> wow, that must be something of a collector's piece[10:14:26] <flyingparchment> everyone has solaris 1.1.1... sunos 1 would be impressive ;)[10:14:39] <c00p> I think it's Solaris 1.1.1 - It's still the bsd derived one ... is that SunOS ?[10:14:45] <elektronkind> yeah[10:14:52] *** twinkie_addict has joined #opensolaris[10:14:57] *** The-spiki has joined #opensolaris[10:14:59] <flyingparchment> c00p: SunOS 4 was BSD and was also called Solaris 1.x, Solaris 2.x is SunOS 5[10:15:00] <elektronkind> solaris 1.x == sunos 4.1.3/4[10:15:03] *** Chipdancer has joined #opensolaris[10:15:06] <lukehasnoname> are there vnc servers in osol's repos?[10:15:08] <_Lewellyn> i had a cd set of solaris 1.1.4. wonder if it's somewhere around still.[10:15:15] <twinkie_addict> i installed oss and my sound stoped working[10:15:18] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: yes. man Xvnc[10:15:19] <flyingparchment> (sunos4 + openwindow = solaris 1, iirc)[10:15:28] <elektronkind> flyingparchment: yup[10:15:29] <lukehasnoname> is pkg caps sensitive?[10:15:31] <c00p> yeh I got that I am fair sure :)[10:15:40] <IvanR_> I have an OS Utilities tape from SVR3 for the at&t 3b2, from back in the day.[10:16:01] <flyingparchment> IvanR_: i have SVR3 for the 3b1 on 5.25" floppy[10:16:16] <flyingparchment> (about 30 of them)[10:16:23] <twinkie_addict> how do i get it back with out reinstalling OS[10:16:26] <lukehasnoname> I tried pkg install xnvc and it didn't work[10:16:52] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[10:17:00] <IvanR_> flyingparchment: The not so good old days. ;)[10:17:12] *** ViperMax has joined #opensolaris[10:17:15] <flyingparchment> yeah, svr3 was pretty weak[10:17:17] <lukehasnoname> ho-lee shit[10:17:27] <sickness> mcepl: ouch[10:17:30] <flyingparchment> who needs TCP/IP when you have OSI?[10:18:00] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: um. it may already be there[10:18:04] <therealsamc> lukehasnoname: the package name is SUNWxvnc, not xvnc[10:18:21] *** DottorZero has joined #opensolaris[10:18:28] <_Lewellyn> lukehasnoname: check /usr/X11/bin for Xvnc[10:18:59] *** mcepl has quit IRC[10:19:31] <IvanR_> flyingparchment: My college had the add-on Wollongong tcp/ip stack for the 3b2, which had it's own issues.[10:19:35] *** fftb__ has joined #opensolaris[10:19:39] <flyingparchment> IvanR_: i heard that was pretty unstable[10:20:01] <flyingparchment> (the ethernet cards for the 3b1 are like hen's teeth, since they cost several thousand $ new.. didn't find one yet ;)[10:20:17] <c00p> IvanR_: did that come from Wollonong Uni ?[10:20:41] <twinkie_addict> i installed OSS and my sound no longer works even after uninstalling it still no sound how do i get it back without reinstalling the os[10:20:44] <IvanR_> I believe the only time the system had >30 days uptime was when it was being decommissioned and I'd already moved most users and services off to an hp-ux box.[10:21:36] <IvanR_> c00p: I think so, the system was setup and running before I started school there, so I'm not familiar with all the details.[10:22:13] <c00p> I went to Wollongong Uni thats all .. never knew they did that[10:23:25] <IvanR_> I *think* it was written by some folks there who later turned it into a commercial product, since lots of people were wanting tcp/ip before at&t really had a solution.[10:23:31] <flyingparchment> wollongon tcp/ip was a commercial product... yeah[10:25:55] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #opensolaris[10:26:02] <lukehasnoname> How do I properly shutdown Xorg?[10:26:20] <lukehasnoname> ehh[10:26:21] <lukehasnoname> nvmd[10:26:23] <lukehasnoname> google[10:27:35] <pablomh> moin[10:30:54] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[10:31:23] *** Azhax is now known as MyAzhax[10:32:33] *** sartek has quit IRC[10:32:40] *** Azhax has joined #opensolaris[10:32:50] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[10:32:50] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris[10:33:36] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[10:33:41] *** krdoor has joined #opensolaris[10:33:48] *** twinkie_addict has left #opensolaris[10:35:19] *** SYS64738 has quit IRC[10:35:30] *** Phenox_ has quit IRC[10:35:43] *** MyAzhax has quit IRC[10:36:51] *** pgr has quit IRC[10:38:30] *** __ms has joined #opensolaris[10:41:43] *** ViperMax has left #opensolaris[10:43:02] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[10:45:12] <lukehasnoname> morning[10:45:13] *** gaveen has quit IRC[10:45:34] <_Lewellyn> already?[10:46:12] <lukehasnoname> it is 4am in Texas[10:46:17] <lukehasnoname> almost[10:46:19] *** Phenox_ has joined #OpenSolaris[10:46:31] <lukehasnoname> I'm reading the Opensolaris Bible[10:46:39] <lukehasnoname> and I must say, it is pretty comprehensive[10:47:34] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris[10:48:20] <trochej> Coffee[10:48:24] <trochej> Hmm[10:48:33] <asyd> heya trochej[10:48:34] <trochej> lukehasnoname: How does it compare to docs.sun.com? :)[10:48:35] <asyd> good idea[10:48:42] *** Excedrin has quit IRC[10:49:53] <lukehasnoname> trochej: It's opensolaris specific, first of all. It is kind enough for new users to use, and in-depth enough for experienced users from other nixes to lean how Sun does things[10:50:23] <lukehasnoname> It's a fscking BIBLE[10:50:43] <trochej> Khm[10:50:44] <lukehasnoname> it has a 4 page tutorial on vim[10:50:46] <lukehasnoname> heh[10:50:48] <trochej> M'be I should buy it too[10:51:18] <_Lewellyn> how about "real" vi?[10:51:19] <lukehasnoname> trochej: look it up on Amazon, you can see the TOC there[10:51:28] *** bnitz1 has joined #opensolaris[10:51:30] <_Lewellyn> since vim acts a bit different[10:51:41] <lukehasnoname> lewellyn: it mentions that vim non-visualmode commands work in vi[10:53:05] <_Lewellyn> does it mention that visual mode commands "appear" to "almost" work until you complete them? :D[10:55:27] <lukehasnoname> ...[10:55:29] <lukehasnoname> no.[10:55:57] <_Lewellyn> i forgot the "some" in front of visual, sorry[10:56:14] <_Lewellyn> and it's not a bug, per se. it's not new behavior :)[10:58:46] <lukehasnoname> btw trochej another cool thing is that cross referenced material is constant, and is blatently noted by the "CROSS-REF" text block[10:59:06] <lukehasnoname> my respect for wiley publishing has gone up a little bit[10:59:10] *** e-jat has quit IRC[11:01:08] *** otep is now known as otep_the_troll[11:01:18] *** GNUix has joined #opensolaris[11:01:22] *** otep_the_troll is now known as otep[11:02:59] *** LuckyLuke has joined #opensolaris[11:04:13] *** hsp is now known as hsp_away[11:09:28] *** free has quit IRC[11:09:41] *** free has joined #opensolaris[11:10:14] *** free has quit IRC[11:11:14] *** lblume has joined #opensolaris[11:14:41] *** free_ has joined #opensolaris[11:15:59] <codestr0m> I'm working on a rather insane/crazy development list.. and anyone interested I'm open to feedback if I'm missing anything and what items may actually constitute something interesting.. http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1350875[11:16:49] *** ryshask_ has quit IRC[11:18:20] *** Azhax is now known as MyAzhax[11:20:18] *** Excedrin has joined #opensolaris[11:22:27] <seanmcg> codestr0m, in kernel smb support ? Isn't that there already?[11:22:51] <codestr0m> seanmcg: the issue just came up recently.. I just know it was requested[11:23:03] <seanmcg> but ya, you're a bit insane :)[11:23:41] <seanmcg> I think mirrored boot is there already too[11:23:51] <codestr0m> seanmcg: not in the installer[11:24:06] <codestr0m> have it be an installer option. and raidz != mirrored boot[11:24:07] <seanmcg> not in the gui, true[11:25:10] <seanmcg> ibm z-server port is done too me thinks[11:25:55] <codestr0m> seanmcg: I'd have to check.. I don't know anything about it.. most of these are things others have asked for[11:26:42] <seanmcg> additional zfs compression choices. I'd include making it easier to have extra zfs compression, i.e. separate modules[11:27:20] *** heldchen has quit IRC[11:27:39] <codestr0m> seanmcg: needs to be linked into the kernel or then I think it becomes some userland thing on top[11:28:00] <codestr0m> that's why other compression stuff is tricky.. not to mention what's the gain.. is it for archiving.. or...[11:28:17] <Andys^> gzip has some good gains in my testing, for some types of files[11:28:22] <codestr0m> moinak ran some numbers before on these.. bz2 is for example rather cpu expensive[11:28:31] <seanmcg> enhance grub http.. kinda like wanboot ?[11:29:09] <codestr0m> seanmcg: wanboot == pxe.. this is like install grub and point that at a url to remotely pull/install from http://install.osunix.org or something[11:29:24] *** sipior has joined #opensolaris[11:29:24] <codestr0m> I meant wanboot == pxe?[11:30:08] <Andys^> zfs stores everything in blocksizes of powers of 2, and it seems that gzip is just enough sometimes to push it into the next blocksize.. can save alot more space[11:32:03] <codestr0m> Andys^: if you can find a pattern or some statistics on this I'd be very interested[11:32:48] <Andys^> codestr0m: well, my testing was on good compressible stuff - email and VMware disk images[11:33:11] <codestr0m> Andys^: I'm not sure with vwmare disk images you'd worry about a block or two?[11:33:28] <codestr0m> on email and servers with lots of text files yes. gzip is a natural win[11:33:33] *** carl- has joined #opensolaris[11:33:53] <codestr0m> other places where there's a lot of binaries.. maybe lzma2 or something could prove useful[11:34:17] *** timsf has quit IRC[11:36:08] <Andys^> well i dunno[11:36:16] <Andys^> for our VM images it worked really well[11:36:29] <codestr0m> Andys^: you interested to work on this at all? not sure if you're a developer or more admin[11:36:31] *** linma has quit IRC[11:36:52] <Andys^> well[11:36:57] <Andys^> i have done some development on other OS[11:37:32] *** carman has joined #opensolaris[11:37:37] <Andys^> dont really have time for that stuff anymore[11:37:42] <Andys^> unless there's a bad itch that needs scratching[11:39:28] <_Lewellyn> ok. this sdcard thing is pissing me off :([11:39:48] <_Lewellyn> would it be inadvisable to install the driver binary that worked on solaris 10?[11:41:45] <lukehasnoname> codestr0m: read "Solaris Spit & Polish" in benr's blog[11:41:53] <_Lewellyn> IvanR_: any luck with the wifi?[11:41:54] <lukehasnoname> http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/[11:42:12] <lukehasnoname> there's a big-ass feature request: Better administration UIs[11:42:48] <_Lewellyn> my biggest bit of polish i'd like to see is with things that most people won't encounter :P[11:42:55] <codestr0m> lukehasnoname: I'll have a look.. and try to extract what I can out of it[11:42:57] <_Lewellyn> the wifi and power panel icons[11:43:00] <codestr0m> Ben is a pretty clever guy[11:43:10] <lukehasnoname> it's a short article'[11:43:37] <codestr0m> lukehasnoname: there's a lot of comments[11:44:06] *** kokoko1 has joined #opensolaris[11:44:14] <kokoko1> hi guys[11:44:18] *** Excedrin_ has joined #opensolaris[11:44:20] <kokoko1> in this ...[11:44:22] <kokoko1> Solaris 10 6/06 s10s_u2wos_09a SPARC[11:44:35] <kokoko1> u2 mean its solaris 10 update 2?[11:45:00] *** mikefut has quit IRC[11:45:01] *** Excedrin has quit IRC[11:45:05] <_Lewellyn> er yeah. i think you're in the wrong channel for that. :)[11:45:09] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[11:45:18] <_Lewellyn> solaris 10U2 is very much not opensolaris :)[11:45:57] *** medar has quit IRC[11:47:56] *** ykajep has joined #opensolaris[11:48:03] <seanmcg> codestr0m, wanboot mainly used for sparc installs, the obp can do it. its not pxe[11:48:20] <seanmcg> the current AI (caiman bits) use wanboot for sparc installs[11:48:38] *** medar has joined #opensolaris[11:48:39] <codestr0m> aha.. ok. I've never even logged into a sparc server before[11:48:47] *** held has joined #opensolaris[11:48:48] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: i can fix that ;)[11:49:05] *** weirdmf has joined #opensolaris[11:49:24] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: don't tempt me.. I've had a few others, but the result, but just be scary ;)[11:49:30] <codestr0m> anyway. then I'd have to port open64 to sparc :P[11:49:36] <_Lewellyn> codestr0m: want a zone? ;)[11:49:54] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: what's the hw?[11:50:02] <_Lewellyn> v100[11:50:05] <_Lewellyn> slow but steady[11:50:16] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[11:50:33] <_Lewellyn> i have to reinstall Sun CC on the box i have in mind. i messed up and put sun studio express on it :P[11:50:39] <_Lewellyn> lots of things don't like 5.10, it seems.[11:51:04] <codestr0m> _Lewellyn: I'm not sure what /things/ you mean.. c++ could yes.. other /things/ should be fine afaik[11:51:35] <_Lewellyn> c++, yes[11:51:54] <_Lewellyn> that's how i discovered that 5.10 ended up on there :P[11:52:03] * _Lewellyn wasn't paying attention to which package was installed[11:54:50] *** bnitz2 has joined #opensolaris[11:55:11] *** gphyov has joined #opensolaris[11:58:28] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[12:00:06] *** carman has quit IRC[12:00:21] *** tosh has joined #opensolaris[12:01:10] *** lblume has quit IRC[12:01:14] *** bnitz1 has quit IRC[12:02:48] *** e1kg has joined #OpenSolaris[12:04:57] *** kohju has quit IRC[12:05:02] *** KOHJU has joined #opensolaris[12:05:12] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[12:05:17] *** bnitz2 has quit IRC[12:06:39] *** ykajep has quit IRC[12:08:47] *** ddosia has joined #opensolaris[12:08:56] <trochej> Coffee?[12:09:57] <ddosia> hello, why everytime when i try to install some configured zone in opensolaris snv_101b system try to download some packages, about 52 (72 mb) ?[12:10:22] <ddosia> what should i install to soleve this dependence?[12:12:07] <trochej> I think this is the way zones are being installed in os now[12:12:10] <trochej> Over the net[12:12:59] <ddosia> trochej, how to avoid this procedure during installation and do it only once?[12:14:08] <CosmicDJ> install one zone and clone all the other zones from it?![12:15:46] <ddosia> hmm, but can i install something and do not download it anymore?[12:16:13] <trochej> ddosia: I never tried[12:16:16] *** bowdengl has joined #opensolaris[12:16:52] <ddosia> trochej, do you do like said CosmicDJ ? or what?[12:16:55] *** anilg has quit IRC[12:17:14] <trochej> ddosia: I'd go the way CosmicJ did[12:17:34] <trochej> ddosia: I think there is no way to avoid pulling zones pakacges from net if you install it from groud every time[12:17:37] <trochej> Just cloning[12:19:17] <ddosia> such ugly solvation of this problem[12:20:04] <trochej> yup[12:25:22] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[12:27:18] *** simNIX has quit IRC[12:27:45] <_Lewellyn> ok. i guess i have to nat my lx zone, after all :([12:27:48] *** tfb has joined #opensolaris[12:28:37] *** simNIX has joined #opensolaris[12:30:13] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[12:30:55] *** hsp_away is now known as hsp[12:33:07] *** cypromis has quit IRC[12:39:02] *** kokoko1 has quit IRC[12:41:12] *** ddosia has quit IRC[12:42:00] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[12:42:40] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[12:43:36] <_Lewellyn> ok. finally getting this zone set up...[12:44:01] <_Lewellyn> what's the difference between "create -t SUNWlx" and "create -B lx"?[12:44:26] <_Lewellyn> google's failing me[12:45:02] *** simNIX has quit IRC[12:45:39] *** simNIX has joined #opensolaris[12:48:29] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[12:50:55] *** niq has quit IRC[12:51:47] *** cemerick has joined #opensolaris[12:52:22] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[12:52:25] <gerryxiao> hello[12:52:47] <trochej> 'lo[12:53:14] <_Lewellyn> welcom eback[12:53:20] <gerryxiao> os not support my audio card, i downloaded oss driver and it worked, but how to make gnome volume working?[12:53:53] <gerryxiao> gnome said not found sound device[12:53:54] <_Lewellyn> dunno. my ich volume "just worked"[12:54:26] <gerryxiao> yes my snd card is also "ich"[12:54:41] <xRaich[o]2x> gerryxiao: did you restart gnome?[12:54:49] *** StayTuned has quit IRC[12:54:52] <_Lewellyn> it worked out of the box with me on sxce. that's all i know.[12:54:55] <gerryxiao> now rebooting[12:55:01] * _Lewellyn is starting to be glad he listened to advice[12:56:54] <gerryxiao> gnome still not find my audio card[12:57:13] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[12:57:16] *** StayTuned has joined #opensolaris[12:57:46] <gerryxiao> my volume manage has a mute label[12:59:12] <CIA-40> Ramesh Chitrothu <Ramesh.Chitrothu at Sun dot COM>: 6784316 memory leaked by libmpscsi_vhci[12:59:46] <gerryxiao> does gnome use /dev/dsp as audo device or something else?[12:59:59] <gerryxiao> how to setup it?[13:00:31] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC[13:01:13] <gerryxiao> intel ich(2415)[13:01:38] <gerryxiao> /dev/oss/oss_ich0/pcm0[13:03:16] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[13:08:33] *** Fullmoon has quit IRC[13:11:29] <lukehasnoname> So Opensolaris knows that my processor is 64-bit enabled, and boots the kernel accordingly? How do I know it's running 64 bit?[13:12:19] <codestr0m> lukehasnoname: isainfo[13:13:02] *** nightstrike_ has joined #opensolaris[13:13:12] <lukehasnoname> if it says amd64, then it is running 64 bit? I ask because I see X86 everywhere. I assume that means "opposed to sparc" but I was just checking[13:16:05] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[13:18:58] *** tfb has quit IRC[13:20:42] *** qiyong has quit IRC[13:22:29] <tsoome> man isainfo, or man man if you have no idea what man is[13:22:41] <houst0n_> Hey folks, any suggestions why crypt(32, "test12345"); returns the same as crypt(32, "test54321"); (perl)? Something to do with the crypto libs?[13:23:23] *** pgr has quit IRC[13:23:57] <lukehasnoname> which which[13:24:20] <monsted> houst0n_: it's using "32" for the password and "te" for the salt :)[13:24:40] <houst0n_> Bahhhh[13:24:44] <houst0n_> Thanks =)[13:25:04] <monsted> give it a dash of pepper and try again[13:26:32] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[13:28:27] *** gaveen has quit IRC[13:28:56] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[13:29:52] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH[13:31:01] *** pgr has joined #opensolaris[13:32:13] *** gerryxiao has quit IRC[13:35:02] *** PicCard has quit IRC[13:35:40] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[13:39:34] <lukehasnoname> tsoome: isainfo -b, thanks[13:39:48] <tsoome> you are welcome:)[13:40:13] <lukehasnoname> I've also had to learn basic vi[13:40:17] <lukehasnoname> no nano or pico around[13:40:40] <tsoome> did it hurt?;)[13:41:44] <tsoome> there is some kind of editor with gnome.[13:42:25] <trochej> Coffee[13:42:26] <lukehasnoname> I'm logging in from console[13:42:30] <lukehasnoname> gnome has gedit[13:42:30] <trochej> Never hurts[13:42:38] <trochej> And gvim\[13:43:12] <jbit> you could just install nano or something Æ=[13:43:28] <lukehasnoname> jbit: I didn't see it in the repos[13:43:34] <lukehasnoname> and vi is a good skill anyway[13:45:10] <jbit> nod[13:45:20] <rauz___> hi i have some problems with zfs when i will zpool import : pool is formatted using a newer zfs version[13:45:58] <asyd> zpool upgrade[13:46:00] <tsoome> nah most people have no idea even simplest shortcuts etc, be it vi or whatever[13:46:34] <xRaich[o]2x> rauz___: the zfs version you are using is lower than the formated zpool[13:46:45] <jbit> here at work i have to use the win32 profile for vim otherwise when i do paircoding people fail :([13:46:48] <tsoome> rauz___: importing pool made in more recent system?[13:46:52] *** kohju is now known as KOHJU[13:47:27] <tsoome> in that case you are out of luck..... need to upgrade this old system before you can import it[13:47:28] <rauz___> jup[13:48:09] <rauz___> i'm using opensolaris 2008.11 snv 101b[13:48:32] <xRaich[o]2x> upgrade with the /dev repo[13:48:41] <xRaich[o]2x> 101b uses zfs 13[13:49:35] <rauz___> ?[13:50:22] <xRaich[o]2x> http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2008/12/02/opensolaris-repository-gets-a-makeover/[13:50:46] <xRaich[o]2x> current build is 108[13:51:10] <rauz___> thx[13:55:34] <rauz___> the upgrade is running :D[13:56:07] <xRaich[o]2x> that might take a while[13:57:57] <rauz___> than a zpool upgrade and zpool import pool should work ?[13:58:18] <xRaich[o]2x> you don't need to upgrade your rpool[13:58:30] *** ttmrichter has joined #opensolaris[13:58:59] <xRaich[o]2x> just upgrade reboot and import the pool[13:59:03] <xRaich[o]2x> should be enough[14:00:48] *** Deesl has joined #opensolaris[14:02:12] *** GNUix has quit IRC[14:04:26] <rauz___> ok i will it try[14:08:40] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[14:08:51] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris[14:13:43] *** NoFX_SBC has joined 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<kibibyte> lol[15:05:30] <kibibyte> i wanted obtain network configuration[15:05:48] <kibibyte> so i tak a look at opensolaris docs[15:05:50] <kibibyte> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2008.11/SYSADV0/How%20to%20Obtain%20Informational%20Messages%20About%20the%20Active%20Network%20Connection.html[15:05:56] <kibibyte> what is it[15:06:00] <kibibyte> is it a joke[15:06:01] <kibibyte> :d[15:07:39] <trichobezoar> what are you looking for?[15:08:17] <kibibyte> command line tutorial ![15:09:33] <kibibyte> how to admnistrate opensolaris from command line[15:09:51] <kibibyte> who wrote this tutorial[15:09:53] <kibibyte> its joke[15:10:34] <mitrox> it is for mouse lovers from m$ world maybe[15:11:00] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[15:11:52] <tsoome> you cant just let random person from street to write manuals...[15:11:57] *** timsf has quit IRC[15:12:09] *** wdp has quit IRC[15:12:09] <jbit> kibibyte: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-3000/ipv6-admintasks-1?a=view maybe use solaris docs :)[15:13:02] <CosmicDJ> what's wrong with that wiki page?[15:13:16] <CosmicDJ> s/wiki/opensolaris whatever/[15:13:37] <mitrox> it is too user friendly :)[15:13:49] <kibibyte> if you want to obtain network cnnection properties , admistration tutorial tells you yo move mouse pointer to corner[15:13:50] <kibibyte> :d[15:14:21] <CosmicDJ> and? you wanted a command line "tutorial"?[15:14:45] <kibibyte> yeah[15:14:55] <kibibyte> how to obtain network properties from console[15:14:55] <CosmicDJ> see SAG @ /topic[15:15:09] <tsoome> its the same as to have int a; /* this is a*/[15:15:14] <Andys^> lol[15:15:15] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris[15:15:35] <CosmicDJ> I don't think so[15:16:11] *** gerryxiao has joined #opensolaris[15:16:14] <tsoome> GUI must be self explaining, if its not, the designer has failed. in most unixes, they have failed anyhow.[15:16:16] <gerryxiao> hello[15:16:38] <gerryxiao> where to get gnome gstream plug for mp3 ?[15:17:30] <tsoome> if you need to have document stating: Signal Strength[15:17:30] <tsoome> The current strength of the wireless network. In the example, the strength is 85 percent. - it does mean your attempt to create user friendly UI is failed.[15:17:39] <jbit> tsoome: maybe if gnome changes at some point it'll be as awesome as float b; /* this is the integer b */[15:17:42] <jbit> :)[15:17:48] <tsoome> :D[15:17:57] *** asarch has joined #opensolaris[15:18:03] <jbit> i actually meant to write "integer a" but my brain wouldn't let me :)[15:19:05] *** cydork_ has quit IRC[15:20:08] <IvanR_> gerryxiao: There's the free mp3 plugins from http://www.fluendo.com/[15:21:30] <CosmicDJ> so there are no user friendly UIs...[15:21:53] <kibibyte> omg[15:21:58] <kibibyte> look at thi[15:21:59] <kibibyte> s[15:22:01] <kibibyte> http://www.teachmesun.com/[15:22:03] <kibibyte> LOL[15:22:06] *** pgr has quit IRC[15:22:25] <kibibyte> i havn seen worst site[15:25:00] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris[15:25:31] *** d3xter has joined #opensolaris[15:25:34] <d3xter> hey guys[15:25:36] <CosmicDJ> is displayed less broken in IE[15:25:42] <d3xter> is there any way to use ddtool with a proxy?[15:26:17] <kibibyte> <meta name="Microsoft Theme" content="zero 011">[15:26:30] <jbit> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">[15:26:37] <jbit> seal of quality[15:27:50] <mitrox> he tried to teach sun but failed :)[15:28:40] <kibibyte> <p class="MsoNormal">Special Thanks to Kathy S. for her expert advice...</p>[15:28:43] <kibibyte> lol[15:28:51] <weirdmf> could be something for http://failblog.org :)[15:29:08] <kibibyte> women and computers are bad conjuction[15:29:19] <CosmicDJ> no they're not[15:29:22] *** luc^ has quit IRC[15:29:39] <CosmicDJ> wtf? today's "we bash websites and women"?[15:30:31] *** ken1 has quit IRC[15:30:53] <weirdmf> no, today's " let's make CosmicDJ angry with bashing websites and woman"[15:32:23] *** anilg1 is now known as anilg[15:33:26] *** PicCard has joined #opensolaris[15:34:03] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[15:37:18] *** myosound has joined #opensolaris[15:43:13] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[15:46:25] *** ShanghaiScott has joined #opensolaris[15:54:19] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[15:54:23] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[16:01:51] <gerryxiao> mp3 works, but audio is horrible on my virtualbox[16:01:53] *** timsf has joined #opensolaris[16:09:32] <jbk> morning[16:11:23] *** lesterc has quit IRC[16:14:59] *** cwebber has joined #opensolaris[16:15:32] *** fftb___ has joined #opensolaris[16:27:30] *** lqghgo has joined #opensolaris[16:29:23] *** ball has joined #opensolaris[16:29:57] *** gaveen has quit IRC[16:30:20] *** fftb has quit IRC[16:33:19] <sstallion_work> jbk: morning[16:34:36] *** LordIllpalazo has joined #opensolaris[16:34:52] <jbk> hey sstallion_work[16:35:43] * sstallion_work sighs.[16:35:56] <sstallion_work> Sometimes I regret switching to zfs-root on my ultra 24[16:36:14] <jbk> why?[16:36:19] <sstallion_work> as big as a PITA SVM was, at least I didn't spend half my morning swapping things back in[16:36:47] <sstallion_work> jbk: entirely too much pages out over the weekend thanks in part to zfs's unhealthy obsession with kmem cache[16:37:21] <tsoome> ?[16:37:23] <sstallion_work> so I spend the first 10-20 minutes on monday thrashing the hell out of the rpool to page things back to where they belong[16:39:13] *** carman has quit IRC[16:39:26] <tsoome> you have just go and buy more memory:D[16:39:36] <tsoome> have to*[16:40:26] <sstallion_work> 4GB is entirely serviceable[16:40:32] *** gerryxiao has left #opensolaris[16:40:50] *** ikarius has quit IRC[16:40:56] <sstallion_work> considering I spend the majority of my time in the terminal or issuing builds[16:41:24] <flyingparchment> did you try limiting the arc cache size?[16:41:36] <tsoome> ah, ok, so you filling up ram with zfs arc and on monday morning, it will be trashed with gnome?:D[16:41:55] *** deftunix has joined #opensolaris[16:41:55] <sstallion_work> tsoome: trashed by normal use, but thats the gist of it ;)[16:41:56] <tsoome> set arc limit then to reserver some space for gnomeD:[16:42:03] <sstallion_work> flyingparchment: I havent[16:42:05] <tsoome> reserve*[16:42:27] <deftunix> hi all, how can i will corrupt the service configuration repository for testing recovery procedure?[16:42:28] <tsoome> or, dont log out from gnome:D[16:42:57] <tsoome> memory is wasted, but no need to wait...[16:43:12] <sstallion_work> tsoome: I don't[16:43:22] <sstallion_work> My gnome sessions typically last for weeks[16:43:48] <tsoome> i have 1.5GB of RAM in my W2100Z and i have no issues[16:43:56] <tsoome> zfs root obviously[16:43:57] <sstallion_work> I have a number of cronjobs which run over the weekend[16:44:12] * ball doesn't understand the concept of sessions in things like Gnome[16:44:17] <tsoome> and i dont use any system file mods[16:44:19] <sstallion_work> chances are, combined with the arc cache, its forcing everything in my gnome-session to be paged out[16:44:43] <deftunix> thanks in advance[16:44:45] <sstallion_work> I run some rather large builds each night after I go home[16:45:32] <tsoome> get arc_summary.pl and check?[16:46:13] <tsoome> im not really sure arc cache can make used pages to be paged out tho...[16:49:12] <tsoome> but somehow i think that "trashing" is caused more on arc size changes (grow or shrink) so setting arc max size limit might be good idea. it doesnt prevent gnome to be paged out by build process tho...[16:49:35] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:49:53] <sstallion_work> well[16:50:03] <sstallion_work> I might need to set some resource limits on the zone[16:51:09] *** dguitar has joined #opensolaris[16:52:14] *** fredg has quit IRC[16:53:03] *** init3 has quit IRC[16:53:20] *** ericjray has joined #opensolaris[16:53:40] <sstallion_work> tsoome: where is the best place to grab that script? sys internals ?[16:54:01] *** jsoft_ has quit IRC[16:54:46] *** kim0 has quit IRC[16:56:13] *** zarguni has joined #opensolaris[16:57:53] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[16:58:28] *** KOHJU is now known as kohju[17:01:50] *** ball has quit IRC[17:03:33] *** myosound has quit IRC[17:05:17] *** deftunix has left #opensolaris[17:05:49] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris[17:06:57] *** exl_ has joined #opensolaris[17:07:13] <exl_> hi everybody[17:07:23] *** calumb is now known as calAFK[17:07:35] <exl_> i'am about to release a lzo compression patch for zfs[17:08:00] <exl_> what's the good way to do this ?[17:08:11] <asyd> fill a bug and attach your patch?[17:08:17] <flyingparchment> send it to zfs-discuss and say you need someone to sponsor you to integrate it[17:08:29] <flyingparchment> (you might cc request-sponsor) - you'll have to sign the SCA as well[17:08:32] <exl_> it's not a bug it's an enhancement[17:08:52] <exl_> i hope ;-)[17:08:59] <asyd> same thing :)[17:09:01] <flyingparchment> "bug" is a generic term for issue/bug/enhancement/RFE/...[17:09:31] <flyingparchment> although we usually call them CRs here ;)[17:09:35] <exl_> what is the SCA ?[17:09:53] <flyingparchment> an agreement that means sun has shared copyright to any code you contribute to opensolaris[17:10:36] <exl_> that's ok for me, but i use a compression library (lzo) that i didn't write[17:10:46] <flyingparchment> what license is it under?[17:11:24] <exl_> GPL v2+[17:11:44] <flyingparchment> that might be an issue. there's no GPL code in the kernel, and i doubt it'd be allowed (CDDL issues, and the viral thing)[17:11:56] <asyd> exl_: btw, I query you :)[17:11:58] <flyingparchment> can you find a BSD-licensed version?[17:12:12] <asyd> or gplv3 maybe?[17:12:28] <exl_> the authors says : Special licenses for commercial and other applications are available by contacting the author.[17:12:31] <flyingparchment> hmm, gplv3 is still viral, unless they changed it (didn't look closely)[17:12:50] <flyingparchment> exl_: perhaps they would be willing to relicense it under the CDDL. it provides similar requirements to the LGPL[17:13:20] <flyingparchment> (CDDL is the license most of opensolaris uses)[17:13:26] <exl_> are they dual-licenced libs out there ?[17:15:06] *** calAFK is now known as calumb[17:15:47] *** anilg has quit IRC[17:16:54] *** syamajala has joined #opensolaris[17:17:21] *** ttmrichter has quit IRC[17:17:34] *** nitrile has joined #opensolaris[17:17:37] *** acruz has joined #opensolaris[17:17:43] *** koan has quit IRC[17:17:47] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[17:20:11] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[17:22:45] *** phimic has quit IRC[17:25:15] *** ikarius has joined #opensolaris[17:25:49] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris[17:27:28] *** LouisJB1 has joined #opensolaris[17:27:45] <exl_> is there a zfs test suite ?[17:27:56] *** sophokles has quit IRC[17:28:27] <_Lewellyn> does this make sense to anyone? (on sxce) zonecfg:zzone1> create -t SUNWlx26 \n SUNWlx26: No such zone configured[17:29:41] <asyd> why \n ?[17:30:12] <_Lewellyn> to not paste multiple lines to channel[17:30:29] <_Lewellyn> the purpose of which has now been defeated :P[17:30:42] <CosmicDJ> \n = "I pressed Enter/Return and then I got tis ->"[17:31:07] <asyd> do you have a file SUNWlx26 in /etc/zones ?[17:31:10] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: or "the display gave 2 lines, this is where they are separated"[17:31:20] <asyd> +.xml[17:31:21] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[17:31:27] <_Lewellyn> asyd: sure nuff, nope.[17:31:41] <asyd> that may explain :)[17:32:54] <_Lewellyn> asyd: that's the last time i follow a url from you ;)[17:33:47] <_Lewellyn> hrmpf i'm still not finding this list of "approved" distros.[17:34:12] <asyd> can you paste your contents of your /etc/zones?[17:34:42] <_Lewellyn> index SUNWblank.xml SUNWdefault.xml SUNWlx.xml SUNWtsoldef.xml[17:34:55] <_Lewellyn> i already looked in SUNWlx.xml[17:36:10] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[17:37:24] *** xxan0xx has joined #opensolaris[17:38:30] <_Lewellyn> aha![17:38:33] <_Lewellyn> /usr/lib/brand/lx/distros[17:39:26] *** dguitar has quit IRC[17:39:58] <_Lewellyn> so centos/rhel 3.8 is the newest supported on sxce[17:40:41] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris[17:41:16] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:41:47] *** ShanghaiScott has quit IRC[17:42:10] *** kmays has joined #opensolaris[17:43:56] *** StayTuned has quit IRC[17:44:16] <trichobezoar> ugh... i started up eclipse in a zone through ssh -X and the workspace prompt and all text appears to be all boxes[17:44:22] <trichobezoar> how do i figure out what the fail is...[17:44:38] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: fonts :)[17:44:50] <_Lewellyn> fontservers ftw :)[17:45:20] *** authentic has quit IRC[17:45:25] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[17:46:03] <trichobezoar> how do I fix it ?[17:48:22] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[17:48:49] <trichobezoar> xlsfonts shows lots of fonts[17:48:58] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris[17:49:22] *** gaveen has joined #opensolaris[17:49:26] *** fftb has joined #opensolaris[17:49:44] <_Lewellyn> what font does eclipse want? ;)[17:50:15] <trichobezoar> when i run it on the global zone, it doesn't fail like that...[17:50:28] *** sipior has quit IRC[17:50:31] *** webmink has joined #opensolaris[17:51:31] <_Lewellyn> try ssh -Y? or is that finally gone[17:51:32] <_Lewellyn> ?[17:51:56] <trichobezoar> it's gone... what is that? I just used X[17:52:17] *** ^authentic has joined #opensolaris[17:52:57] *** fftb___ has quit IRC[17:53:55] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[17:54:10] *** phimic has joined #opensolaris[17:54:34] <_Lewellyn> ok. one last question (i hope) regarding lx zones... do i install an i386 or x86_64 iso?[17:54:47] <trichobezoar> i386. only 32bit is supported[17:55:05] <_Lewellyn> thought so. but it wasn't specified.[17:55:16] <trichobezoar> it does, on the brandz community page[17:55:26] *** div19 has quit IRC[17:55:40] <CosmicDJ> you can have a 64bit "zone" in virtualbox ;)[17:55:43] <trichobezoar> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/ The lx brand will run on x86/x64 systems booted with either a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel. Regardless of the underlying kernel, only 32-bit Linux applications are able to run.[17:56:23] *** phimic has quit IRC[17:56:35] <_Lewellyn> so don't bother with a 64-bit kernel[17:57:13] <_Lewellyn> ok. snarfing via bittorrent. i expect this to suck[17:57:38] <trichobezoar> I'd weigh the pros/cons instead of just blankly saying "I'll just use a 32bit host because brandz doesnt support 64bit linux apps"[17:57:39] <_Lewellyn> 3 peers :([17:58:02] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i have no need for a 64-bit kernel atm[17:58:31] <_Lewellyn> but if a 64-bit userland was supported, i'd install a 64-bit version of the dvd "just in case" for the future[17:58:58] *** DTEIT has quit IRC[17:58:58] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[17:58:59] *** Deesl has joined #opensolaris[17:59:03] <CIA-40> Philip Kirk <Phil.Kirk at Sun dot COM>: 6696124 Null mutex pointer crashing from ip_wput_ioctl()[17:59:04] <CIA-40> Mark Shellenbaum <Mark.Shellenbaum at Sun dot COM>: 6809529 dirtying snapshot! rears its head again[17:59:08] <_Lewellyn> fair enough? :)[17:59:14] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[17:59:16] *** logic has quit IRC[18:00:01] *** warrenstrange has joined #opensolaris[18:00:09] *** tamr has quit IRC[18:01:32] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[18:01:43] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris[18:02:23] *** jacksond has joined #opensolaris[18:03:50] *** aveteam has joined #opensolaris[18:05:04] <_Lewellyn> ok. bittorrent only uses half my connection :([18:05:17] *** authentic has quit IRC[18:05:25] *** ^authentic is now known as authentic[18:05:34] *** Erwann has quit IRC[18:08:23] *** capaz has joined #opensolaris[18:08:31] *** tamr has quit IRC[18:09:23] *** kim0 has joined #opensolaris[18:09:31] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: isp throttling, typically[18:09:44] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: nope. 3 peers :P[18:09:53] *** botox has joined #opensolaris[18:09:56] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: either that or transmission sucks on solaris[18:10:02] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[18:10:14] <e^ipi> i get pretty decent speeds out of it, but i've got residential DSL[18:10:22] <_Lewellyn> i moved to the http download. the fastest mirror i can find only gives 500KB/s :([18:10:57] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i have business-class dsl. only thing that really changed was the speed and ping times[18:10:58] <CosmicDJ> downloading what?[18:11:12] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: CentOS 3.6[18:11:26] <e^ipi> CosmicDJ: linux isos.... that's the only thing anyone ever uses bittorrent for[18:11:33] <e^ipi> it's definately not for watching movies[18:11:34] <CosmicDJ> well use a downloader that supports fetching the same file from multiple locations..[18:11:45] <_Lewellyn> CosmicDJ: i clicked the link in firefox[18:11:55] <_Lewellyn> oh wtf.[18:11:59] <CosmicDJ> sadly, firefox doesn't support that[18:12:03] <e^ipi> _Lewellyn: out here business DSL is slower.[18:12:05] <_Lewellyn> i just noticed that the 3.6 dir is a symlink to 3.9[18:12:10] <e^ipi> you get an SLA, but it's slower[18:12:15] * _Lewellyn aborts download[18:12:30] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: i think our next step up is "business ethernet"[18:12:44] <_Lewellyn> 3-10 Mbit/s symmetrical[18:12:53] <_Lewellyn> and, as you can imagine, the prices hurt on that :([18:13:16] <_Lewellyn> may be cheaper than colocation, in the end, however :P[18:14:30] <_Lewellyn> i keep hearing about how much colocation is going up around here. perhaps self-hosting was wise, after all...[18:18:41] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[18:20:54] *** clou has joined #opensolaris[18:20:59] <clou> hi[18:21:13] <clou> does opensolaris also use a package mangement like in linux distros?[18:21:52] <asyd> yes[18:22:20] <clou> ah too bad :([18:22:26] <_Lewellyn> some would say better than linux, some would say worse[18:22:31] *** warrenstrange_ has joined #opensolaris[18:22:36] <asyd> too bad?! :)[18:22:37] <_Lewellyn> it's package management. but not the same as any linux distros[18:22:58] <clou> i searche an OS where i can install new software version of some apps like gimp or openoffice but without upgrading my whole system(like ubuntu etc...), so more windows like[18:23:00] <_Lewellyn> pkgadd still works on opensolaris, right?[18:23:09] <asyd> yes[18:23:23] <asyd> clou: buy a mac? :)[18:23:24] * asyd hides[18:23:24] <_Lewellyn> clou: who said you had to upgrade your whole system? just that your programs are in nice little packages[18:23:45] <_Lewellyn> there's people running Solaris 8 and recent software, after all.[18:24:09] <clou> i thought it is like on any linux dist? upgrade everything or nothing[18:25:08] <_Lewellyn> you asked "is there package management?" not "is the os broken?"[18:25:09] <_Lewellyn> ;)[18:25:29] <_Lewellyn> but at the moment, you can upgrade often with opensolaris[18:25:35] <_Lewellyn> the os is very much in development[18:25:52] <trichobezoar> I had to install SUNWgnome-fonts[18:25:54] <_Lewellyn> i don't know about the opensolaris side of things, but i believe the upgrades are simple[18:26:00] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: i called it ;)[18:26:37] <trichobezoar> yeah... I already knew it was a font issue... as per my question "why are the fonts fucked up"[18:26:54] <clou> :) yeah i want: "oh, a new openoffice is out, let's try it"[18:27:12] <clou> like i would do it on windows for example[18:27:27] <_Lewellyn> trichobezoar: "run sxce" ;)[18:27:35] *** timsf has quit IRC[18:27:45] <_Lewellyn> clou: i run sxce, not opensolaris, and i'm getting ready to run out the door.[18:27:55] <_Lewellyn> so i leave you in the capable hands of the rest of the channel[18:29:17] *** jollyd has joined #opensolaris[18:29:25] *** NoFX_SBC has joined #opensolaris[18:30:19] *** warrenstrange has quit IRC[18:30:35] *** tamr has quit IRC[18:31:16] * clou listens..[18:32:58] <xRaich[o]2x> clou: buy a mac *scnr* :P[18:33:34] *** LouisJB1 has left #opensolaris[18:34:12] <clou> hmm this is the only option, i think i can also use windows[18:34:20] <clou> but you are right, mac os also does that[18:35:19] <xRaich[o]2x> "upgrade it all" is not an issue of the OS. but if you use all those libs that come with plenty of dependencies you get that effect[18:36:34] *** wewek has quit IRC[18:38:54] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris[18:39:04] *** Deesl has quit IRC[18:39:06] *** jollyd has left #opensolaris[18:40:32] *** clou has left #opensolaris[18:40:34] *** exl_ has quit IRC[18:41:14] <_Lewellyn> windows deals with it by having lots of DLLs[18:41:36] <_Lewellyn> mac os deals with it by having application "packages" so the implementation is hidden from the user[18:41:50] <xRaich[o]2x> he's already gone ^^[18:42:01] <_Lewellyn> oh. no big loss :)[18:42:31] *** ipfw has joined #opensolaris[18:43:48] <_Lewellyn> and now i poof. i'll deal with the rest of this lx zone stuff on the train[18:44:04] *** acruz has left #opensolaris[18:45:28] *** e1kg has left #OpenSolaris[18:48:33] *** comay has joined #opensolaris[18:48:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o comay[18:48:59] *** _Lewellyn has quit IRC[18:50:43] *** starkmjolk has quit IRC[18:52:27] *** starkmjolk has joined #opensolaris[18:55:05] *** nachox has quit IRC[18:55:29] *** StayTuned has joined #opensolaris[18:57:52] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[18:58:12] *** sahX has quit IRC[19:00:23] *** mikefut has quit IRC[19:03:58] *** nightstrike_ has quit IRC[19:05:24] *** jfndi has quit IRC[19:05:38] *** gnut has joined #opensolaris[19:06:24] *** jdcasey has joined #opensolaris[19:06:29] *** zatix has joined #opensolaris[19:07:13] *** MattMan has quit IRC[19:09:14] *** capaz has quit IRC[19:09:20] *** aLeSD_ has joined #opensolaris[19:13:39] *** dunc has quit IRC[19:13:39] *** StayTuned has quit IRC[19:16:34] *** alfism has quit IRC[19:16:34] *** ken1 has quit IRC[19:17:10] *** aLeSD_ has quit IRC[19:17:34] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[19:18:09] *** jdcasey has left #opensolaris[19:19:11] *** lukehasnoname has quit IRC[19:23:14] *** Caino has quit IRC[19:23:56] *** rv- has joined #opensolaris[19:24:48] *** Caino has joined #OpenSolaris[19:28:26] *** StayTuned has joined #opensolaris[19:28:59] *** lqghgo has quit IRC[19:30:46] *** arpunk has quit IRC[19:31:00] *** zarguni has quit IRC[19:31:29] *** arpunk has joined #opensolaris[19:31:46] *** fftb has quit IRC[19:32:47] *** Deesl has joined #opensolaris[19:33:19] *** webmink is now known as webmink_away[19:42:39] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[19:42:40] *** ken1 has quit IRC[19:45:01] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris[19:45:20] *** calumb has quit IRC[19:50:02] *** LordIllpalazoThe has joined #opensolaris[19:50:42] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris[19:51:37] *** tamr has quit IRC[19:52:21] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[19:52:35] *** webmink_away is now known as webmink[19:52:45] *** noyb_ has joined #opensolaris[19:53:53] *** noyb_ has quit IRC[19:55:13] *** tamr has joined #opensolaris[19:57:38] <trochej> Coffeeeeee[19:58:05] <bda> Goooooal.[19:58:47] *** timelE61i has joined #opensolaris[19:59:22] <trochej> :)[20:06:01] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris[20:06:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel[20:07:03] *** FrostCS has joined #opensolaris[20:07:36] *** webmink is now known as webmink_away[20:08:59] *** LordIllpalazo has quit IRC[20:09:02] *** ewdafa has joined #opensolaris[20:11:19] *** jhfisc has left #opensolaris[20:11:20] *** Alienswede has joined #opensolaris[20:11:37] *** cambazz has joined #opensolaris[20:12:02] <cambazz> hello. how can i add a new disk. i got a firewire disk, and it does not have a driver problem but needs to be formatted[20:12:32] *** Dar has quit IRC[20:12:36] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris[20:12:41] *** held has quit IRC[20:15:34] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[20:16:05] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[20:16:41] <codestr0m> cambazz: does it show up with cfgadm? and to get the disk name format -e[20:16:46] *** gigasoft has joined #opensolaris[20:23:18] *** wewek has joined #opensolaris[20:27:13] *** cambazz has quit IRC[20:28:40] *** ryshask has joined #opensolaris[20:29:39] *** held has joined #opensolaris[20:30:12] <ryshask> welp, pocketputty locked up my machine, trying zatelnet pro now.... it's a little slow, but I get 93 columns :0[20:31:23] *** ryshask has quit IRC[20:34:40] *** ottom has joined #opensolaris[20:34:46] *** ry_laptop has joined #opensolaris[20:34:59] *** Tusk2 has joined #opensolaris[20:35:07] <Tusk2> Hello[20:37:57] <CosmicDJ> hi[20:38:01] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris[20:41:08] *** anilg is now known as anilg_Zzz[20:42:42] <codestr0m> alanc: you going for ogb? I don't think anyone has nominated you yet?[20:42:43] *** LuckyLuke has quit IRC[20:47:13] *** LuckyLuke has joined #opensolaris[20:48:45] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris[20:48:54] *** hugohagogo has joined #opensolaris[20:49:29] *** MACscr has joined #opensolaris[20:49:49] *** koan has quit IRC[20:50:26] *** zattix has joined #opensolaris[20:51:02] *** zatix has quit IRC[20:51:59] *** jfisc has quit IRC[20:52:02] *** Deesl has quit IRC[20:55:44] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[20:58:51] *** javatexan has joined #opensolaris[20:59:07] *** MindDrive has joined #opensolaris[20:59:07] *** ken1 has quit IRC[20:59:19] *** javatexan has left #opensolaris[20:59:25] *** luc^ has quit IRC[20:59:40] *** stewart has quit IRC[20:59:49] *** koan has quit IRC[20:59:57] * timelE61i cries[21:00:18] <timelE61i> zone 'nexenta': Error: no active dataset.[21:00:38] <timelE61i> There's a small thread explaining that IPS changed how zones work w/ zfs[21:00:45] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[21:00:49] <timelE61i> But i can't find any useful details[21:01:01] <Tusk2> Which driver would you use for an audigy sound card, OSS ones or the one from http://www.tools.de/opensource/solaris/audio/ ??[21:01:05] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[21:01:09] <timelE61i> I have foo/ROOT w/ zoned=on[21:01:20] *** MACscr1 has joined #opensolaris[21:01:22] <timelE61i> And foo/ROOT/zbe[21:02:12] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris[21:02:24] *** MACscr1 has quit IRC[21:03:37] *** Alienswede has left #opensolaris[21:03:41] *** ceri has quit IRC[21:04:01] *** jfisc has joined #opensolaris[21:04:58] *** dsch04_ has joined #opensolaris[21:05:17] *** MACscr3 has quit IRC[21:06:13] *** dsch04 has quit IRC[21:07:18] * bubbva is away: lunch[21:07:26] *** hugohagogo has quit IRC[21:09:28] *** alex25 has joined #opensolaris[21:14:49] *** koan has quit IRC[21:16:48] *** NeZetiC has quit IRC[21:16:59] *** NeZetiC has joined #opensolaris[21:17:19] <homeboy> how can i monitor my cpu temperature in opensolaris?[21:17:40] *** MACscr has quit IRC[21:18:29] *** webmink_away is now known as webmink[21:19:17] *** gleaken_ has quit IRC[21:19:26] <ry_laptop> probably fmadm.[21:19:29] <ry_laptop> notsure the particular command[21:19:38] <CosmicDJ> or ipmitool[21:19:52] <ry_laptop> yeah, that's better heh[21:22:14] <jbk> prtdiag might have it as well[21:23:35] *** libkeise1 has joined #opensolaris[21:24:07] <ry_laptop> zones fricken rock.[21:24:16] <bda> Heh.[21:24:32] <jbk> indeed they do[21:25:51] <timelE61i> zone 'nexenta': Error: error mounting zone root dataset.[21:25:57] * timelE61i grumbles[21:26:13] <timelE61i> zones are good if you can get them to work and not break[21:26:33] <trichobezoar> And if they dont become unable to be shutdown requiring a global zone reboot[21:27:02] <bda> trichobezoar: Haven't seen that one in ages.[21:27:08] <timelE61i> anyway... Is there a way to debug my error?[21:27:29] <trichobezoar> bda: I had that a couple days ago on OS 106[21:27:38] <bda> huh.[21:27:41] * bda only runs GA. :)[21:27:51] *** sahX has joined #opensolaris[21:28:29] *** dsch04_ is now known as dsch04[21:29:23] <therealsamc> timelE61i: check that you haven't already got the zone's root mounted[21:29:29] <therealsamc> I had that error a couple of times yesterday[21:30:08] *** anilg has joined #opensolaris[21:30:15] <therealsamc> oh wait, didn't see your other error[21:30:18] <therealsamc> not sure what that one's about[21:30:44] <timelE61i> my first error was missing libbe props[21:30:47] <timelE61i> I added them[21:31:03] <timelE61i> My unhappy zbe says mounted: no[21:31:25] <alanc> codestr0m: yes, I've been nominated already, no I'm not running again[21:31:32] <timelE61i> A reference zbe says mounted:yes, but that's because the zone is running[21:32:38] *** MACscr3 has joined #opensolaris[21:32:49] <ry_laptop> hopefully I won't have those issues.[21:33:34] *** jdcasey has joined #opensolaris[21:33:40] <timelE61i> if you aren't trying to shoehorn nexenta into indiana, you shouldn't[21:33:47] <ry_laptop> Heh.[21:33:48] <ry_laptop> no[21:33:53] *** [JT]_ has joined #opensolaris[21:33:56] *** jdcasey has quit IRC[21:33:57] <timelE61i> 2+yrs ago i shoehorned nexenta into nevada[21:34:02] <ry_laptop> those are completly different kernels aren't they?[21:34:07] <timelE61i> no[21:34:12] <ry_laptop> revisions I mean.[21:34:15] <MACscr3> wish all luck everyone as I have no experience with os and im going to attempt to setup zfs amongst a few drives and setup the system as an iscsi target[21:34:16] *** anilg1 has joined #opensolaris[21:34:21] <timelE61i> wait, which?[21:34:34] <ry_laptop> mexemta <-> neveda.[21:34:39] <ry_laptop> different kernel revs[21:34:48] <timelE61i> For this to work, you (really -I-) need to pin the kernels[21:35:00] <ry_laptop> Yup[21:35:08] *** javar has joined #opensolaris[21:35:10] *** libkeiser has quit IRC[21:35:11] <timelE61i> Which of course makes upgrading "interesting"[21:35:31] <timelE61i> Or historically speaking "impractical" and -impossible-[21:35:48] <ry_laptop> Yeah, I'd never use zones for a whole os.[21:35:59] <ry_laptop> just for applications I would normally run on the base os.[21:36:08] <ry_laptop> like zabbix for example :)[21:36:20] <timelE61i> Well, i tried getting xVM happy this time and failed[21:36:34] <ry_laptop> xvm is kinda picky[21:36:40] <ry_laptop> not ready yet I don't think.[21:36:53] <timelE61i> it seems to support pv only... I suppose i could see if nexenta has a pv friendly image[21:37:04] <jbit> MACscr3: it's not that hard, best advice is don't rush :P[21:37:42] <MACscr3> well, im trying it first in virtualbox. Im hoping I can just simulate multiple hard drives by using multiple images[21:37:56] <ry_laptop> You should.[21:38:08] <ry_laptop> virtualbox + opensolaris is the best way right now.[21:38:23] *** [JT]_ has quit IRC[21:38:32] <ry_laptop> I think the xvm team is having issue with xen, that's why they haven't released binaries for the xen management stuff yet.[21:38:37] <MACscr3> there isn't a gui to manage the iscsi part of things, is there? =P[21:38:53] <ry_laptop> dunno, I avoid iscsi like the plague.[21:39:16] <timelE61i> therealsamc.. So... Any thoughts?[21:39:24] <timelE61i> Is there some debug level?[21:39:43] <e^ipi> i dunno that i'd call virtualbox 'the best way' so much as ' a vaguely acceptable way if brandz/zones aren't enough and you can't get it working with xen '[21:40:05] <ry_laptop> if youw ant something that works...[21:40:13] <therealsamc> timelE61i: not really sure :( do you see any interesting messages if you try to mount the zone's root fs by hand?[21:41:16] <timelE61i> nope[21:41:20] <timelE61i> Works fine[21:41:46] <timelE61i> mount -F zfs rpool/.../install/ROOT/zbe /a[21:44:04] *** gray-- has joined #opensolaris[21:44:41] <timelE61i> i suppose i could hack /usr/lib/brand/ipkg/*[21:45:40] *** luc^ has joined #opensolaris[21:46:41] *** anilg_Zzz has quit IRC[21:49:52] <timelE61i> ok, it calls prestate :)[21:50:22] <dsch04> Hi guys - is there an "lsof" equivalent on OpenSolaris?[21:50:38] <trichobezoar> fuser[21:50:41] <trichobezoar> and.. lsof[21:50:58] *** tfb has joined #opensolaris[21:51:28] *** anilg has quit IRC[21:51:38] <timelE61i> ok, it was missing the mountpoint targets[21:51:44] *** colyte has joined #opensolaris[21:51:45] <timelE61i> Terrible error reporting[21:51:53] <dsch04> trichobezoar: thx[21:52:07] <skullone> has anyone seen the following error message, when trying to start the iscsi target service?[21:52:07] <dsch04> Actually looks like netstat will do the trick[21:52:10] <skullone> open failed: INVALIDUnable to open device /devices/pseudo/iscsit@0:iscsit[ Mar 2 15:52:34 Method "start" exited with status 4. ][21:52:44] <timelE61i> woohoo. Boot![21:53:53] *** airjump has joined #opensolaris[21:56:14] <trichobezoar> hmm strange, my usb mouse and kbd work, but my usb key which works in another computer doesnt work...[21:56:22] <trichobezoar> work as in show messages in dmesg when plugged in[21:56:38] *** warrenstrange_ has quit IRC[21:58:26] *** warrenstrange has joined #opensolaris[21:58:46] *** ceri has joined #opensolaris[22:02:44] *** warrenstrange has left #opensolaris[22:06:26] *** purserj has joined #opensolaris[22:08:46] <timelE61i> trichobezoar: hey...[22:09:06] <timelE61i> How do you configure networking for your zones?[22:09:47] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[22:10:20] <timelE61i> I used to use 192.168.*, but it seems that's being routed out ... Instead of for private zone sharing[22:10:37] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris[22:11:00] *** abisen has joined #opensolaris[22:11:05] <trichobezoar> I have a virtual network via crossbow and use nat on the host[22:11:29] *** tfb|away is now known as tfb[22:11:40] <abisen> is the GUI for Sun's unified storage open source too ? or free for personal use ?[22:11:54] <timelE61i> Ah yes, crossbow[22:11:54] <abisen> looks awesome[22:11:54] <jbk> you can use the simulator, but the gui is not AFAIK[22:12:07] <bda> abisen: No, and no. Just the simulator.[22:12:08] <timelE61i> That wasn't around when i tried this last time[22:12:08] <trichobezoar> so they get dedicated network devices[22:12:16] <trichobezoar> it's not in 2008.11 either, only 106[22:12:22] * timelE61i goes hunting for docs[22:12:27] <jbk> that's part of the hook to get you to buy their product instead of just slapping opensolaris on a box with a bunch of disk[22:12:28] <abisen> bda, too bad[22:12:28] <timelE61i> i have 107 :)[22:12:33] <e^ipi> there are a few blocks of private IP's... 192.168.0.0/16 10.0.0.0/24 and the less common 172.16.0.0/20[22:12:43] <bda> abisen: I'd be happy if the conversion kit for the X4500s were available for other systems.[22:12:53] <bda> I have an X4100 and a J4200 I'd love to turn into OpenStorage.[22:12:56] <bda> Alas.[22:12:57] <timelE61i> Eipi: yeag, corp seems to use all 3[22:13:01] <trichobezoar> heh, same here[22:13:13] <timelE61i> I'm tempted to use 169[22:13:17] *** ken1 is now known as ken-zZz[22:13:20] <abisen> bda: i hear you... their 7xxx series also looks nice. .. . .[22:13:21] <trichobezoar> I rebooted my PC and my USB device works. Poo.[22:13:25] <jbk> maybe someday IPv6 will get rid of NAT[22:13:32] <bda> abisen: Yes, they're very, very awesome.[22:13:39] <e^ipi> timelE61i: 2.0.0.0/8 is also reserved bt not technically private, so there won't be collisions[22:13:44] <abisen> bda: too expensive for my home NAS[22:13:44] <abisen> :D[22:13:51] <timelE61i> Hrm... I suppose i could use ipv6 locally :)[22:13:53] <bda> abisen: But I don't have the money for the whole thing. And the 7110's SAS offering is too expensive for the storage.[22:13:58] * elektronkind points to RFC 1918[22:14:03] <jbk> heh[22:14:23] <jbk> just get readnas pro :)[22:14:28] <jbk> err readynas pro[22:14:29] <timelE61i> hrm, 2. Could be fun. But ipv6 only for local might work[22:14:46] <timelE61i> Assuming the outward box can convert to ipv4[22:15:04] <abisen> is readynas pro based on solaris[22:15:05] <timelE61i> Anyway, crossbow...[22:15:26] <e^ipi> pretty sweet, no?[22:15:26] *** ken-zZz has quit IRC[22:16:19] <abisen> jbk: i am done with all these properitory NAS devises. I am just waiting for an opensource ZFS/Solaris based NAS runing on Atom Dual Core architecture[22:16:43] <jbk> it was more a joke[22:16:57] <jbk> someone i know was trying to seriously argue it over the amber road stuff[22:16:58] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[22:17:03] <trichobezoar> crossbow... create an etherstub, configure a vnic on the host, configure your zones' vnics on the etherstub, set default gw to the host's vnic, and run ipnat[22:17:31] <abisen> jbk: aah... sorry i am a little slow on getting the jokes :[22:17:37] *** airjump has quit IRC[22:18:05] <e^ipi> abisen: so create a zfs/solaris based nas ... toss a bunch of disks in a box, a ramdisk card for slog and a SSD for l2arc and call it a night[22:18:15] <trichobezoar> set your zone to use the vnic device, set it exclusive[22:18:19] <e^ipi> mostly all open source, and tada[22:19:16] <abisen> e^ipi: that's what I have a 5 x SATA 500G disks and OpenSolaris... powering my Mac's (Time Machine over iSCSI), PS3 (with mediatomb UPnP) and some shared directories using CIFS : )[22:19:17] *** ken1 has quit IRC[22:19:23] <bda> If you're especially lazy, use Nextenta.[22:19:46] <abisen> bda: yeah have heard about that .. has anybody used Nextenta ?[22:19:54] <e^ipi> too bad there's not somethig you know... better than mediatomb[22:20:03] <e^ipi> i use it, but i don't like it[22:20:23] *** ken1 has joined #opensolaris[22:20:38] <abisen> e^ipi: yup same here too much tweaking required...[22:22:07] <e^ipi> too much tweaking, doesn't transcode properly, doesn't sort properly, etc[22:22:25] <e^ipi> just generally a PITA but nobody's written a better alternative for not-windows[22:23:21] *** tamr has quit IRC[22:23:31] *** ken1 is now known as ken-zZz[22:31:33] *** LouisJB has joined #opensolaris[22:32:00] <LouisJB> is there an opensolaris package for haskell / ghc? I can't seem to locate[22:32:47] <therealsamc> dammit, one weekend really messing around with opensolaris and I'm already accidentally typing pfexec instead of sudo on the sol10 boxes (without rbac) at work :\[22:33:18] <tsoome> setup rbac then[22:33:30] <tsoome> its easy[22:33:57] <therealsamc> oh haha, not going to happen. lots of servers, lots of change control. Government department = massive inertia ;)[22:34:13] <therealsamc> I'd love to though, believe me :p[22:34:46] *** alex25 has quit IRC[22:35:30] * timelE61i doesn't understand ip-type=exclusive[22:35:52] *** cambazz has joined #opensolaris[22:35:58] <e^ipi> it means you give the zone it's own network interface[22:35:59] <tsoome> simple, with it you can give entire interface to zone[22:36:11] <e^ipi> rather than hanging off a global interface like rge0:1[22:36:13] <tsoome> not just ip from global[22:36:18] <tsoome> :D[22:36:24] <therealsamc> timelE61i: anything specific you don't understand about it? It just lets the zone have access to the physical nic (or vnic) rather than an alias from the global's one[22:36:27] <therealsamc> yeah, what those guys said[22:36:31] *** logic855 has quit IRC[22:36:35] <cambazz> hello. how do I format a new disk? I managed to create a solaris partition with the fdisk and its all fine, but i dont know how to format it, and mount it and etc[22:36:47] <therealsamc> means you can run snoop, dhcp, etc from the zone[22:36:48] <e^ipi> give it to zfs[22:36:50] <tsoome> you dont need to format it[22:37:04] <timelE61i> all i want is a private channel between global and zones[22:37:12] <tsoome> you wanna create filesystem on it:P[22:37:13] *** botox has quit IRC[22:37:13] <e^ipi> cambazz: don't format it or use fdisk, just 'zpool create <witty pool name> cXdX'[22:37:14] <cambazz> and what do I do?[22:37:15] <trichobezoar> a vnic, set it exclusive[22:37:16] <timelE61i> W/o fear that it bleeds to the real world[22:37:36] <cambazz> tsoome: yes, i want to create a filesystem on it, and use it as a secondary data storage device[22:37:38] *** botox has joined #opensolaris[22:37:50] <cambazz> for example, i want to setup time slider thing to use it[22:38:27] <tsoome> zfs then[22:38:38] <tsoome> zpool create tank devname[22:39:08] <cambazz> what will that do? will it make a secondary fs, or add it to existing one like in a raid?[22:39:30] <tsoome> man zpool[22:39:37] <e^ipi> don't use tank[22:39:43] <e^ipi> that's such a terrible and unoriginal name[22:39:53] <cambazz> i dont even know the devname[22:40:03] <e^ipi> cambazz: it will create a secondary FS. you can use it for /export/home etc. you can't stripe or raid the root pool[22:40:11] <e^ipi> the devname will be in iostat -En[22:40:20] *** wewek has quit IRC[22:40:44] <tsoome> sun marketing loves it tho:D[22:41:35] <e^ipi> docs[22:41:37] <e^ipi> not mktng[22:41:50] <cambazz> i tried: zpool create /dev/c3t0d0[22:42:00] <cambazz> and it says missing vdev specification[22:42:07] *** cemerick has quit IRC[22:42:09] <therealsamc> you need to get the zpool name in there too[22:42:15] <therealsamc> zpool create <zpoolname> <device>[22:42:26] <tsoome> man zpool[22:42:28] <therealsamc> also don't put the /dev/ at the start of the device name[22:42:36] <cambazz> well what is the zpoolname[22:42:46] <cambazz> is it rpool[22:42:47] <therealsamc> whatever you want it to be :)[22:42:54] <therealsamc> not rpool, that'll already be used by your current one[22:42:55] <bda> zpool create mypool c3t0d0[22:42:59] <therealsamc> give it another name[22:43:15] <bda> zpool(1M) probably worth reading...[22:43:18] <bda> Or the ZFS Admin Guide.[22:44:05] <cambazz> ah i said mypool and it created a /mypool[22:44:15] <cambazz> is poolname like mountpoint[22:44:18] <bda> No.[22:44:22] <bda> Read the man pages or the guide.[22:44:33] <tsoome> real man cant read[22:44:44] <cambazz> i am reading i am reading[22:44:48] *** Gman has quit IRC[22:44:51] <tsoome> good-good:D[22:45:26] <cambazz> ok, for example, if i want to delete the pool i just creaed, do i say destroy, clear or remove[22:45:29] <tsoome> pool name is to identify pool *and* by default its used ad root mount point for that pool[22:45:41] <tsoome> but it doesnt need to be used, if you dont like[22:45:50] <cambazz> can i name it /export/mypool for example[22:46:02] <timelE61i> hrm, do i want an etherstub?[22:46:07] *** hsp has quit IRC[22:47:07] <e^ipi> cambazz: man zfs[22:47:16] <e^ipi> each zfs volume has a mountpoint property[22:47:29] <cambazz> ok, i have done it[22:47:39] <cambazz> with -m mountpoint then poolname[22:47:51] <timelE61i> hrm .. dladm lists "create-etherstub" but man dladm does bot[22:47:53] <cambazz> but - now next reboot, do i have to mount it or do anything like /etc/fstab[22:48:02] <timelE61i> Err not. Is that normal?[22:48:43] <jbk> timelE61i: i think the manpage updates were delivered in a later build than crossbow[22:48:46] *** Rocket2DMn has joined #opensolaris[22:48:53] <e^ipi> cambazz: nope, zfs takes care of all that[22:48:59] <timelE61i> ok[22:49:11] *** mikefut has quit IRC[22:49:14] <cambazz> thanks guys[22:51:35] * timelE61i tries to figure out why dladm delete-vnic would say "link busy"... The vnic is "down"...[22:51:44] *** twisti_ has joined #opensolaris[22:53:57] <trichobezoar> unplumb it[22:54:29] *** norm1 has quit IRC[22:54:31] <cambazz> any ideas where the timeslider keeps its files[22:54:39] <trichobezoar> <dir>/.zfs[22:54:46] <trichobezoar> and it's zfs that keeps the files there[22:55:44] <timelE61i> thanks...[22:56:06] <cambazz> ok i see[22:56:24] <cambazz> is there any way to force timeslider into taking a snapshot[22:56:32] <e^ipi> 'zfs snapshot'[22:56:35] <e^ipi> see manpage for syntax[22:56:37] <cambazz> it appears that it has not taken a snapshot yet[22:56:51] <skullone> has anyone seen this issue regarding the opensolaris iscsi target service? :[22:56:52] <e^ipi> cambazz: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461[22:56:53] <trichobezoar> that's creating a snapshot yourself. timeslider is a set of shell scripts and the plugin or whatever to nautilus[22:56:54] <skullone> iscsi-target: Requesting to enable iscsi target[22:56:57] <skullone> open failed: INVALIDUnable to open device /devices/pseudo/iscsit@0:iscsit[ Mar 2 16:00:13 Method "start" exited with status 4. ][22:57:02] <e^ipi> read that.[22:57:06] <e^ipi> it's the ZFS admin guide[22:57:39] *** Topdeck has joined #opensolaris[22:57:39] <seanmcg> cambazz, list snapshots like: zfs list -t snapshot[22:58:07] <jbk> skullone: have you tried storage-discuss ?[22:58:15] <skullone> not yet[22:58:20] *** estibi_ has quit IRC[22:58:28] <jbk> and does that device exist?[22:58:32] <skullone> nope[22:58:39] *** logic has joined #opensolaris[22:58:43] <jbk> that could be an issue[22:58:53] *** logic is now known as logic855[22:58:55] <cambazz> seanmcg: well i am playing with timeslider, but so far i have not seen any action[22:58:57] <skullone> i believe it is the issue ")[22:58:58] <jbk> what about running devfsadm?[22:58:59] <CIA-40> vitezslav batrla - Sun Microsystems - Prague Czech Republic <Vitezslav.Batrla at Sun dot COM>: 6811108 need workaround for 6798547 - add option to disable iSCSI boot[22:59:14] <e^ipi> cambazz: i know you want to get rolling right now, but a little patience and reading will save you a lot of headache in the future[22:59:37] <seanmcg> cambazz, try that cmd, it'll show any snapshots. If theres none then you have a different problem[23:00:27] <seanmcg> and what e^ipi says too[23:00:37] <cambazz> seanmcg: thanks a lot. there are many snapshots[23:00:40] <skullone> if you try to devfsadm iscsit, it just says failed to attach[23:00:45] <e^ipi> there's also an 'enable timeslider' thingy somewhere in the gnome menus[23:01:01] *** twisti has quit IRC[23:01:22] <seanmcg> in nautilus (the filemanager), recently its the 'restore' button[23:01:59] <cambazz> what would happen if i delete .zfs in my home dir[23:02:08] <seanmcg> you can't.[23:02:14] <seanmcg> try it, rm -rf .zfs :)[23:02:14] <jbk> skullone: what about just running /usr/sbin/iscsitgtd[23:02:39] <cambazz> yes you cant[23:02:58] <cambazz> well i have done few mistakes and i want to remove the snapshots and start over[23:03:10] <seanmcg> read the admin guide e^ipi pointed you too.[23:03:20] <skullone> strangely, /usr/sbin/iscsitgtd runs fine, and you can then list your iscsi targets[23:03:21] <seanmcg> It'll explain things[23:03:37] <timelE61i> hrm[23:03:49] <seanmcg> Rather than blindingly follow commands given here, read the docs can help in the long run.[23:03:54] * timelE61i wonders why vnicconfig.pdf says: cd root/etc[23:04:14] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris[23:04:50] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris[23:05:20] *** koan has joined #opensolaris[23:05:21] <skullone> it doesnt create the psuedo device though[23:05:22] <skullone> hrm[23:05:22] <seanmcg> cambazz, you may also want to disable the time-slider snapshoting, via the System -> Administration -> Time Slider menu from the gnome panel[23:05:32] <skullone> but an initiator does see the targets though[23:05:35] <e^ipi> cambazz: you'd destroy the snapshots, as per the ZFS admin guide or the zfs man page[23:06:17] *** Tusk21 has joined #opensolaris[23:10:14] <axisys> how do I apply an IP to the net mgmt port of x2100 ?[23:10:39] <skullone> through the bios[23:10:58] *** Odin- has quit IRC[23:11:10] <skullone> thats an ELOM system, right?[23:11:12] <axisys> skullone: there is an option in bios to apply IP to net mgmt port? i did not see it.. hmm[23:11:27] <axisys> skullone: it is not x2100 m2[23:11:45] <skullone> my x2200's need it set from inside the bios[23:11:51] <skullone> they are the older elom type[23:11:56] *** boyd_ is now known as boyd[23:12:10] <axisys> skullone: x2100 is an odd ball[23:12:29] <skullone> 2200 is as well... wish i got the 4xxx[23:12:45] <axisys> skullone: heh.. well M2 is not that bad[23:13:12] <bda> Meh, X2100s.[23:13:23] <bda> We have 7 of each.[23:13:35] <bda> Getting rid of them, replacing with a quarter as many X4150s.[23:13:48] <skullone> the ilom on my 4540's is nice... sun needs to abandon all elom thought, its terrible[23:13:53] <bda> They did.[23:14:04] <axisys> x4150 has waaay too much power for what x2100 needs to run[23:14:14] <bda> You should upgrade your SPs. :)[23:14:22] <bda> axisys: Thus, zones.[23:15:40] <axisys> bda: yep. :-)[23:15:51] *** StayTuned has quit IRC[23:17:28] *** servo- has quit IRC[23:20:06] <ry_laptop> blah zlogin hangs[23:21:20] <axisys> ry_laptop: or vmware .. i am hoping richard mcdougal is working away to fix any performance issue with vmware[23:21:33] <ry_laptop> vmware?[23:23:26] <skullone> jbk:[23:23:44] <axisys> ry_laptop: yep[23:23:52] <axisys> ry_laptop: or virtualbox[23:24:03] <ry_laptop> *nod* this is a production server running solaris[23:24:05] <skullone> i think i might know whats up... i installed the iscsi packages recently, the 5 days or so, and since then, it looks like pkg.opensolaris.com/dev is now build 108, instead of my 106[23:24:16] <ry_laptop> b108[23:24:16] <skullone> so, im installing 108 packages... thats likely the issue :([23:24:40] <skullone> i dont want to image-update to 108, ive heard plenty of issues were introduced since 106[23:24:47] <skullone> for the CIFS side of things[23:25:10] *** Tusk2 has quit IRC[23:25:27] <ry_laptop> oops...[23:25:32] <ry_laptop> missed a command in this tutorial[23:25:39] <ry_laptop> 'boot" is probably necessary[23:26:34] <ry_laptop> boom, I'm in.[23:27:11] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris[23:27:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Gman[23:27:34] <skullone> sigh, ill image-update just to play with iscsi i suppose... balls[23:28:28] <jbk> you want to be careful updating packages like that on their own[23:28:38] <jbk> generally such things aren't tested[23:28:44] <skullone> i didnt realize dev got pushed to 108... it had been at 106 for like 2 months, heh[23:28:48] <jbk> so sometimes it might work, sometimes might not[23:29:09] <ry_laptop> definitely make a new boot image,[23:29:16] <skullone> yah[23:29:31] *** christophsturm has quit IRC[23:29:36] <skullone> while image-updating, i need to find some water... habanero tacos are kicking my ass[23:29:49] <jbk> haha[23:30:00] <timelE61i> doh, i think i remotely plumbed my box off the network[23:30:08] <jbk> run through you that quick, huh? :)[23:30:21] <skullone> not yet... my lips are hurting[23:30:26] <skullone> im not looking forward to tonight[23:30:49] *** cambazz has quit IRC[23:32:18] *** lukehasnoname has joined #opensolaris[23:32:52] <lukehasnoname> Are SATA drive hot pluggable?[23:33:02] <ry_laptop> yeah[23:33:14] *** gigasoft has quit IRC[23:33:28] *** zattix has quit IRC[23:35:15] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris[23:35:51] *** ceri has quit IRC[23:36:43] <Stric> lukehasnoname: but not all SATA cards and/or drivers support hot plug[23:37:25] *** syamajala has quit IRC[23:37:32] *** Tusk21 has left #opensolaris[23:39:59] <ry_laptop> bash-3.2# prtdiag[23:39:59] <ry_laptop> prtdiag can only be run in the global zone[23:40:00] <ry_laptop> Heh cool[23:41:47] *** asarch has quit IRC[23:42:06] *** rv- has quit IRC[23:42:49] *** NoFX_SBC has quit IRC[23:43:19] <dsch04> Anyone know if the OpenSolaris kernel routes UDP broadcasts to all interfaces?[23:43:29] *** tfb is now known as tfb|away[23:43:34] *** _Lewellyn has joined #opensolaris[23:43:54] <ry_laptop> _Lewellyn: pocketpc locked my phone up last night.[23:43:56] <ry_laptop> er pocketputty[23:44:08] <ry_laptop> now testing with zatelnet pro, got my activation code this mornint[23:44:18] <_Lewellyn> heyas. does anyone else here run opensolaris/sxce on a machine which supports suspend?[23:44:21] <skullone> hrm.. so every week, stocks fall lower and lower... lowest low in 5 years, 10 years, now 12 years[23:44:24] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: suck :([23:44:32] *** lesterc has joined #opensolaris[23:44:56] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: let me know how it works for you. if you end up liking it, i'll bug them to fix the text entry issue on my phone[23:45:07] <ry_laptop> *nod*[23:45:21] * _Lewellyn is about to (maybe) deploy sxce 108 in production. scary.[23:45:27] <ry_laptop> Heh[23:45:31] <ry_laptop> join the club :)[23:45:54] <_Lewellyn> we're seeing issues here that we can't pin down to the server, the colo, the os, or the nic[23:46:10] <_Lewellyn> so, time to build a new box with shinyness to place elsewhere! :D[23:46:51] <tomww> _Lewellyn: there seem to be some restircted build shortly, only bug fixes / no new feaures for them. you could think on using one of them to a little be more secure.[23:47:02] <tomww> if I remember correctly...[23:47:03] *** luizxx has joined #opensolaris[23:47:23] <ry_laptop> I don't think there are restricted builds anymore, save the build for nevada.[23:47:23] *** aveteam has quit IRC[23:47:25] <ry_laptop> which is 106[23:47:44] <ry_laptop> there used to be a quartly sxce that you could pretty much depend on being stable.[23:48:38] <ry_laptop> m0n1[23:48:43] <tomww> well, we'll see. there may be other reasons to make such restricted build, oher then using them for a developer edition :-)[23:49:09] <_Lewellyn> tomww: problem is that we need to deploy something in literally 10 minutes[23:49:17] *** bizkut has joined #opensolaris[23:49:23] *** javar has quit IRC[23:49:26] *** bizkut has left #opensolaris[23:49:40] *** xanadu has joined #opensolaris[23:49:43] <trichobezoar> anyone here used apache+svn with OS?[23:50:00] <timelE61i> hOsting'[23:50:11] <xanadu> Hi, I wondered whether I can move a pool of version 10 between Solaris 10 10/08 and OpenSolaris without problems? (It doesn't use cache devices.)[23:50:12] <MACscr3> ok, I have opensolaris installed and 4 additional sata images setup in virtualbox. So now how do I manage them through the gui?[23:50:19] <trichobezoar> Yeah. I want to apacheize my svn.[23:50:22] <_Lewellyn> solaris won over freebsd due to faster install + more included stuff that we'll need[23:50:58] <_Lewellyn> this is going to be this company's first solaris box. i have a (one of many) v100 in their server room waiting for its first boot :([23:51:16] <ry_laptop> hopefully nevada will become the standard.[23:51:58] *** Alasdair has joined #opensolaris[23:51:59] <_Lewellyn> i'm hoping to at least start reducing the number of redhat-flavored things this company runs :P[23:52:02] <seanmcg> xanadu, shouldn't be a problem, but if you upgrade the pool's version while on opensolaris then you maynot be able to use that pool on older s10 again[23:52:27] <jbk> _Lewellyn: what are you currently running on redhat?[23:52:28] <_Lewellyn> i'm not so worried about decommissioning the slackware and freebsd stuff[23:53:57] *** Posterdati_ has joined #opensolaris[23:55:06] <_Lewellyn> jbk: too much :P[23:55:16] *** Alasdairrr has quit IRC[23:55:27] 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<_Lewellyn> and it didn't work right till the box was rebooted (!!!)[23:58:49] <jbk> the last place i was at, they were moving more and more to linux[23:59:13] <_Lewellyn> i like to think that i have a reputation for choosing things that work, here.[23:59:28] <CosmicDJ> ry_laptop: solaris installs faster than freebsd? hm last time I installed solaris10 it took, well, long, but freebsd was done in minutes..[23:59:56] <jbk> well the problem was this group that was driving it was seen as walking on water (even though they were _years_ late delivering the fabled trading platform)