[00:00:18] <dsch04> I unplugged the cable and the driver is no longer loaded, but it still hangs
[00:01:04] <dsch04> i.e. it appear that the yukonx driver was loading OK, but something after that was/is hanging
[00:01:39] <dsch04> Previous BE didn't work either
[00:02:17] <dsch04> Is there any limit to the number of BE that are supported?
[00:03:39] <nachox> not that i know of...
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[00:07:13] <pjfloyd> Hmm on a system without a soundcard it looks like gstreamer-properties can't run, which is causing lots of desktop problems
[00:07:30] <nachox> hi _Lewellyn :)
[00:07:38] <_Lewellyn> hiyas :)
[00:07:57] <_Lewellyn> woulda been here earlier, but i couldn't get wifi connected again :P
[00:08:04] <_Lewellyn> going to try upgrading to 108
[00:08:29] <pjfloyd> not watching the rugby?
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[00:18:11] <therealsamc> hey guys, I've been playing around with the automounter for /home/ .. I've got it mounting /export/home/sam/ from the server when I log in, but all the files in my homedir show up as being owned by nobody
[00:18:21] <therealsamc> any idea what I need to do to get the correct user to show up?
[00:18:48] <therealsamc> I've got nis running as well, and ypcat passwd on the nfs client shows the user with the right uid
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[00:23:25] <therealsamc> nm, nfs4 domain was set wrong on the server
[00:23:43] <nachox> ugg, nis....
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[00:24:40] <therealsamc> don't hate on nis ;)
[00:26:45] <nachox> dont hate it, but dont use it either :P
[00:27:02] <PLazma> it does its job
[00:28:54] <monsted> what's not to hate about nis? :)
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[00:30:07] <nachox> it's really easy to setup and... that's about it :P
[00:31:55] <_Lewellyn> nachox: it usually works and is better than rsyncing files around? ;)
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[00:34:06] <nachox> _Lewellyn, much better
[00:35:36] <_Lewellyn> that's 3 points for nis. that's enough for me ;)
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[00:36:43] <flyingparchment> i prefer ldap, it's much easier to integrate external apps with it
[00:36:50] <flyingparchment> (like using the same password for unix and mail)
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[00:41:40] <nachox> that i agree
[00:41:52] <_Lewellyn> flyingparchment: but has a higher barrier to entry :)
[00:41:52] <nachox> but it is much much harder to setup
[00:42:07] <nachox> _Lewellyn, AD makes it really easy for windows users
[00:42:23] <_Lewellyn> nachox: we had this discussion the other day, yes :)
[00:42:50] <_Lewellyn> what's jamesd's progress? :)
[00:43:19] <nachox> i was merely pointing out that it has a higher barrier of entry because noone managed to make a good enough job at integrating that in the unix world
[00:43:26] <nachox> except maybe apple
[00:46:42] <eviljames> hey
[00:46:45] <eviljames> It wasn't jamesd
[00:46:47] <eviljames> it was me!
[00:46:50] <eviljames> and my progress: limited
[00:46:52] <nachox> i believe it was eviljames not jamesd
[00:46:54] <eviljames> but I'll keep you posted
[00:47:14] <eviljames> http://www.carloslabs.com/projects/200712B/GroundZero.html
[00:47:23] <eviljames> In the meantime, amuse yourself with the only useful google-maps mashup ever to exist
[00:48:09] <e^ipi> evidently my moms' house would be fine if they nuked kitsilano
[00:48:19] <e^ipi> ( i'm not entirely opposed to the idea of nuking kits )
[00:48:20] <eviljames> e^ipi: Try with the Tsar Bomba
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[00:48:25] <_Lewellyn> i knew it was a james :)
[00:48:31] <e^ipi> yeah, i did, my mom's in abbotsford
[00:48:34] <nachox> _Lewellyn, the other day i found a solution to integrate at least linux with AD that mostly works, it's called likewise
[00:48:38] <eviljames> e^ipi: Then do the asteroid hit :D
[00:49:12] <_Lewellyn> nachox: i'll look into that. i have a client who could use better integration so i can stop deploying windows servers :P
[00:49:14] <e^ipi> that's cheating
[00:49:18] <_Lewellyn> thanks for the headsup
[00:49:41] <nachox> _Lewellyn, you still need sfu though
[00:49:58] <eviljames> e^ipi: That asteroid hit is insane, eh?
[00:50:03] <_Lewellyn> nachox: no biggie :)
[00:50:09] <dsch04>  Well, I'm not sure what the problem was, or how long it took to fix, but I just left my machine for a while and it eventually came back up
[00:50:16] <nachox> but installing it is as easy as running the installer, pointing it to the ad server and using an ad admin password
[00:50:33] <nachox> i'm not sure if it works in solaris though
[00:50:49] <nachox> but it autocreates home dirs and everything
[00:51:43] <_Lewellyn> hm. so it won't use their existing profile directories?
[00:52:00] <trichobezoar> Bah this sucks...  ifconfig -a hangs...  Wtf is going on?
[00:52:08] <_Lewellyn> i'll have to look into it
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[00:52:24] <_Lewellyn> first, i have a bunch of email to catch up on since my phone's radio was off all day, apparently
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[00:52:47] <nachox> _Lewellyn, i've only used it for SSO, but i'm sure you can throw the automounter to it
[00:52:50] <_Lewellyn> (and none of the sxce-included mail clients do http mail, and no wine nor vbox for me still)
[00:53:22] <trichobezoar> does pkg install to all zones by default?
[00:55:33] <eviljames> e^ipi: If that asteroid hit Edmonton, the blast radius would be from Vancouver to Winnipeg-ish
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[00:58:33] <_Lewellyn> hm. that doesn't seem right. the asteroid would obliterate the entirety of north america? or am i misreading this thing?
[00:59:03] <CIA-40> Dave Plauger <Dave.Plauger at Sun dot COM>: 6805461 halted CPUs wake on spurious interrupts in sun4u OPL
[00:59:03] <CIA-40> Dina K Nimeh <Dina.Nimeh at Sun dot COM>: 6784451 consolidate duplicative looping_read() and looping_write() code into libcryptoutil
[00:59:04] <CIA-40> Dan OpenSolaris Anderson <opensolaris at drydog dot com>: 6799218 RSA using Solaris Kernel Crypto framework lagging behind OpenSSL, 5016936 bignumimpl:big_mul: potential memory leak, 6810280 panic from bignum module: vmem_xalloc(): size == 0
[01:00:28] <eviljames> _Lewellyn: I'm guessing that purple is the actual blast radius, and the various shades of pink and orange are fallout
[01:00:35] <eviljames> _Lewellyn: but I could be corrected on that.
[01:00:54] <_Lewellyn> clicking the pin gives info
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[01:01:12] <_Lewellyn> that pink is second-degree burns
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[01:01:49] <eviljames> Looks like if you weren't indoors when the meteor hit you'd be burned pretty bad no matter where you were in north america!
[01:03:29] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i think that thing's a bit wonky. i can't imagine texas being as equally affected by it as new york, if it hits san francisco, for example.
[01:04:21] <eviljames> I think you're underestimating the enormity of the asteroid hit.
[01:04:40] <eviljames> iirc, last impact of this scale created the gulf of Mexico.
[01:05:07] <e^ipi> it would also depend on the size of the asteroid
[01:05:21] <eviljames> hence: "of this scale"
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[01:06:10] <_Lewellyn> eviljames: you'd also expect diminishment of effect over 1000 miles, regardless
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[01:06:44] <trichobezoar> where does dladm store its information for persistence across reboot?
[01:06:50] <eviljames> Yeah, I'd expect the people close to the purple areas to be *really* badly burned, and the ones at the fringe of the pink to be only "badly" burned.
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[01:08:16] <nachox> _Lewellyn, cool, solaris is supported http://www.likewise.com/products/likewise_enterprise/solaris-active-directory-integration.php
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[01:11:44] <_Lewellyn> nachox: i'll have to look at the pricing, too. it wasn't obvious enough how pricing works that i could figure it out in 5 seconds or less
[01:11:56] <trichobezoar> looks like dlmgmt uses /etc/dladm/datalink.conf
[01:12:10] <nachox> _Lewellyn, there is an open version i think
[01:12:46] <_Lewellyn> something else to add to my investigate-in-copious-free-time list :)
[01:13:26] <nachox> i hate flash...
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[01:16:52] <_Lewellyn> so do i. i'm sorry i installed the plugin :(
[01:17:23] <trichobezoar> why? :P
[01:18:29] <_Lewellyn> visiting sourceforge results in firefox eating 80% cpu now :P
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[01:19:07] <nachox> plus it crashed firefox usually
[01:19:14] <_Lewellyn> yay session restore!
[01:19:25] <trichobezoar> Who here was having trouble shutting down zones?
[01:19:35] <flyingparchment> axisys
[01:19:37] <_Lewellyn> not i. mine die perfectly well ;)
[01:19:51] <_Lewellyn> speaking of zones... *adds to today's todo list and sighs*
[01:20:02] <nachox> hehe
[01:20:09] <_Lewellyn> oh yeah. next on my todo list... before i start investigating, i'll ask :)
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[01:20:23] <_Lewellyn> is it normal that xVM disables suspend support?
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[01:20:46] <Teltariat> Um
[01:20:49] <Teltariat> I have a question
[01:20:57] <Teltariat> Abount processes that run in Solaris' cron
[01:21:13] <Teltariat> Why is it that the "/dev/tty" device is unavailable to processes that run within cron?
[01:21:13] <trichobezoar> Hmm even after killing zoneadmd when it starts back up it just hangs
[01:21:21] <Teltariat> Has anyone run into this before?
[01:21:28] <flyingparchment> Teltariat: what tty would you expect them to be connected to?
[01:21:37] <CosmicDJ> hehe
[01:21:45] <nachox> why would you need a tty in a cron job?
[01:21:50] <Teltariat> flyingparchment: well what can I do in the situation?  What can I use to provide a pseudo tty?
[01:22:00] <flyingparchment> Teltariat: run it under screen: screen -d -m <program>
[01:22:05] <flyingparchment> Teltariat: but the output will be lost when it's finished
[01:22:08] <Teltariat> nachox: this process is a Python "expect" style process, which uses a tty device
[01:22:08] <_Lewellyn> why do you need a tty?
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[01:22:20] <nachox> the whole idea of a cron job is to run unattended, meaning that it is decoupled from any tty
[01:22:37] <Teltariat> Well Python "pexpect" requires some form of a tty device
[01:22:41] <Teltariat> hence hobbling me here
[01:22:56] <Teltariat> I will try screen
[01:23:07] <_Lewellyn> contact the autor of pexpect and make them fix it? :)
[01:23:58] <Teltariat> well maybe, but I need this running like yesterday
[01:24:01] <Teltariat> So screen it is, if it'll work
[01:24:12] <Teltariat> The whole thing ran fine in Linux
[01:24:13] <flyingparchment> note that screen will hang if the process does any input from its tty
[01:24:14] <Teltariat> unattended
[01:24:15] <Teltariat> in cron
[01:24:19] <Teltariat> I've only run into this in Solaris
[01:24:29] <Teltariat> I've had to hack so much crap in pexpect/pxssh to make it run in Solaris
[01:24:35] <Teltariat> its been unbelievable
[01:24:36] <Teltariat> but worth it
[01:24:58] <Teltariat> I cringe when I look at my Python lib dir :(
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[01:26:59] <Teltariat> screen doesn't seem to be doing the job either
[01:27:35] <nachox> i have NO idea why pexpect would be useful
[01:27:45] <Teltariat> Because pexpect has pxssh
[01:28:08] <Teltariat> which lets me do expect-style workflow through SSH in an easy scripting language (Python)
[01:28:28] <Teltariat> this lets me write a script that can SSH into a machine, give commands, and react to output
[01:28:41] <Teltariat> this was all written and working perfectly on a Linux machine
[01:28:46] <asyd> \_o<
[01:28:53] <Teltariat> but now I'm migrating a lot of production stuff to Solaris
[01:29:33] <Teltariat> Well I am not the sharpest tool in the shed.  So please educate me if you have better or Right-er (TM) solutions in mind
[01:29:33] <jbk> what did you have to do with pexpect?
[01:29:56] <Teltariat> SSH into a Netscreen device to issue commands for purposes of backup and administration
[01:30:30] <Teltariat> I got a TFTP server running in a Solaris zone, and this process commands the device, by way of SSH, to send its configuration in via TFTP every so often
[01:30:38] <Teltariat> for backup
[01:30:42] <jbk> ahh ok, i scrolled back up
[01:30:51] <jbk> pexpect works fine on solaris
[01:30:54] <jbk> with a minor patch
[01:31:00] <Teltariat> Yes
[01:31:02] <Teltariat> it works fine
[01:31:05] <Teltariat> until you try to run it in cron
[01:31:09] <jbk> no
[01:31:14] <jbk> it'll work fine there too
[01:31:19] <jbk> with a minor patch :)
[01:31:22] <Teltariat> Pray Do Tell
[01:31:27] <Teltariat> I Googled
[01:31:28] <Teltariat> found a patch
[01:31:30] <Teltariat> applied it
[01:31:31] <Teltariat> didn't work
[01:31:32] <jbk> lemme see if i can find a copy of thesource
[01:31:36] <jbk> show me the patch?
[01:31:41] <Teltariat> one moment
[01:32:05] <Teltariat> this thing: http://ioctl.org/unix/pexpect.diff
[01:32:47] <jbk> uugh
[01:32:50] <jbk> that's not right
[01:32:59] <Teltariat> I was honestly out of options
[01:33:02] <Teltariat> and up against the wall
[01:33:06] <jbk> open up pexpect.py in an editor (with perms to save)
[01:33:11] <Teltariat> :q
[01:33:15] <Teltariat> oops, sorry.
[01:33:18] <jbk> if using the current version
[01:33:21] <jbk> go to linke 418
[01:33:23] <jbk> err line
[01:33:34] <jbk> basically where it's setting self.use_native_pty_fork
[01:33:43] <elektronkind> Teltariat: maybe the lack of a controlling pty is to blame
[01:33:48] <jbk> comment out the whole if/else block
[01:33:57] <jbk> and add 'self.use_native_pty_fork = True'
[01:33:59] <Teltariat> jbk
[01:34:00] <jbk> so it's always set
[01:34:04] <nachox> jbk, scary
[01:34:07] <Teltariat> very
[01:34:09] <Teltariat> very scary
[01:34:13] <jbk> well that's the fastest way to describe the fix :)
[01:34:17] <jbk> not really
[01:34:18] <nachox> hehe
[01:34:18] <Teltariat> :E
[01:34:28] <Teltariat> wel....
[01:34:29] <Teltariat> ok
[01:34:30] <Teltariat> here goes
[01:34:41] <jbk> it's trying to do a workaround for something that's extrememly outdated
[01:34:48] <Teltariat> here comes pain
[01:34:49] <jbk> and simply no longer required
[01:35:11] <nachox> what's that outdated thing?
[01:35:27] <jbk> for some reason, it feels that python's pty.fork() is broken on solaris
[01:35:33] <jbk> on solaris 10 at least (and later)
[01:35:34] <jbk> it's not
[01:35:45] <jbk> so it tries to do it on it's own (and fails miserably)
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[01:36:03] <jbk> so the fix is, just use pty.fork() like it does on every other platform
[01:36:13] <nachox> hehe, that is a much better description :)
[01:36:28] <Teltariat> I tried to play it safe, and built all my stuff, including Python with Sun Studio 12
[01:36:33] <Teltariat> I did not use gcc or any of that
[01:36:33] <jbk> i just ran into this exact issue with pexpect 2-3 months ago
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[01:36:41] <jbk> it has nothing to do with compilers
[01:36:43] <Teltariat> to make sure I was getting full "Sun-ness"
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[01:37:04] <Teltariat> :D
[01:37:04] <jbk> i'm not sure of the exact history, but something led the author to feel that at some point in time
[01:37:04] <nachox> mail the developer :)
[01:37:07] <jbk> pty.fork() was broken
[01:37:20] <jbk> i looked at the pty.fork() implementation in solaris 10
[01:37:20] * elektronkind complains about being stuck at work on a friday night
[01:37:26] <jbk> and compared it to what /bin/login does
[01:37:31] <jbk> they were effectively identical
[01:37:33] <Teltariat> omh
[01:37:34] <Teltariat> omg
[01:37:34] <Teltariat> omg
[01:37:35] <Teltariat> omg
[01:37:43] <Teltariat> jbk!
[01:37:45] <elektronkind> jbk is a rock star
[01:37:53] <jbk> i do what i can :)
[01:38:07] <Teltariat> YOU.
[01:38:10] <Teltariat> KICK.
[01:38:14] <Teltariat> ASS.
[01:38:30] <_Lewellyn> Teltariat: buy him a drink now :)
[01:39:01] <nachox> python rocks imho
[01:39:17] <jbk> though since you mention it, let me drop the author an email and let him know about that..
[01:39:20] <Teltariat> _Lewellyn, sure, we'll just saunter on over to that bar...oh wait, this is the INTERNETS.
[01:39:53] <Teltariat> But jbk
[01:39:55] <Teltariat> seriously
[01:39:56] <Teltariat> thank you.
[01:40:12] <Teltariat> now I have to try to reverse the hackage and damage I've made to my pxssh and pexpect
[01:40:15] <Teltariat> :D
[01:40:54] <nachox> i still fail to see why that thing would be useful though, i dont see how that cannot be replaced by simple ssh and a shell script
[01:41:20] <eviljames> nachox: I concur :D
[01:41:21] <Teltariat> nachox:  the device does not allow you to do for example " ssh user@device <cmd> "
[01:41:24] <Teltariat> that does not work
[01:41:44] <Teltariat> I am an idiot though
[01:41:53] <eviljames> nachox: on python rocking, that is... In terms of how quickly you can develop something, it is sooo fast
[01:41:54] <Teltariat> So maybe I am the cause of the issue, doing something wrong somewhere.
[01:42:16] <Teltariat> btw
[01:42:18] <Teltariat> I am curious
[01:42:21] <Teltariat> I've asked this before
[01:42:32] <Teltariat> but what are you guys using for managed backup systems?
[01:42:51] <Teltariat> I've read a bit about things like Bacula, AMANDA, haven't tried them
[01:42:52] <elektronkind> netbackup!
[01:42:57] <Teltariat> Something free
[01:43:10] <elektronkind> netbackup with pwnd licenses!
[01:43:10] <jbk> nachox: some things require the presence of a pty
[01:43:12] <nachox> Teltariat, oh, so you have to use pexpect because youre connecting to something crappy that doesnt let you pass commands to ssh?
[01:43:15] <Teltariat> lol, elektronkind
[01:43:16] <jbk> for example
[01:43:24] <Teltariat> nachox: Yes
[01:43:25] <jbk> try 'echo apassword | password user'
[01:43:28] <jbk> it won't work
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[01:43:54] <Teltariat> So I need to simulate an interactive session through the SSH connection
[01:43:58] <jbk> pexpect allocated a pty pair, so things think they're talking to a terminal
[01:44:02] <Teltariat> and Python w/ pexpect & pxssh does so winningly
[01:44:37] <jbk> well i just sent the author an email, i'll see what he says
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[01:44:54] <elektronkind> jbk really did it for the lulz
[01:45:26] <jbk> well luckily, i hit the exact same problem (or rather a DBA at work did), and so I looked into it
[01:45:31] <nachox> jbk, ohh, i see, well, then it is something that has very limited use once you've set up things like kerberos and ssh keys :P
[01:45:44] <Teltariat> uuhh.. nachox
[01:45:45] <jbk> and just remembered the workaround..
[01:45:57] <Teltariat> the auth part isn't the problem
[01:46:02] <Teltariat> the problem is that you can't pass it commands
[01:46:13] <Teltariat> because it doesn't run the kind of shell you'd expect
[01:46:17] <Teltariat> it requires interactive input
[01:46:58] <nachox> Teltariat, what device is that? so i know what not to buy :)
[01:47:49] <Teltariat> Juniper SSG series, a lot of those firewall gateways are like that :)
[01:47:58] <flyingparchment> Teltariat: have you tried rancid?
[01:48:04] <jbk>  juniper.. hmm
[01:48:10] <jbk> i know someone i can harass about that :)
[01:48:17] <nachox> hehe :)
[01:48:36] <Teltariat> Rancid? Eh? whazzat?
[01:48:38] <jbk> and in fact they're not idle :)
[01:48:54] <_Lewellyn> Teltariat: re: backing up... i'm a NetWorker fan :)
[01:48:55] <flyingparchment> Teltariat: it's a program to log into routers (and other appliances) and fetch the config, and then you can e.g. mail diffs to people, or archive them, or whatever
[01:49:15] <asyd> rancid! <3
[01:49:39] <nachox> Teltariat, thumbs down to juniper, just use cisco :)
[01:49:42] <Teltariat> flyingparchment:  You are part of the reason why I love this channel, this server, this community and people like you rock.  I love you all.  *sniff*
[01:49:47] <Teltariat> Juniper FTW
[01:51:09] <nachox> hehe. one of ldom's best practices is "use easy to understand names"
[01:51:41] <jbk> dunno.. seems like a lot of times cisco isn't necessairly the best, merely the biggest
[01:51:53] <flyingparchment> nachox: so not ws-xtry76-a3-dept.zones.example.com?
[01:51:59] <jbk> i'm not terribly impressed with their PIXes (for example)
[01:52:23] <jbk> and if you go back, to call their local directors excrement would be an insult to excrement
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[01:52:29] <flyingparchment> jbk: for switches, i definitely prefer cisco to foundry--only problem is, it costs twice as much
[01:52:35] <_Lewellyn> god. i think PIX was made to leech money from gullible companies :P
[01:52:36] <trichobezoar> unkillable zones == suck
[01:52:52] <nachox> hehe
[01:53:26] <nachox> "only number devices when you have more than one"
[01:53:31] <Teltariat> I have not been doing this for very long, neither do I have a mountain of experience, but from my exposure to both, Netscreen seem on the whole a lot more flexible
[01:54:56] <nachox> "name domains in a good way, dont use domain1, domain2, domain3..."
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[01:57:13] <scoffin> what service starts nmbd ?
[01:57:20] <Teltariat> Samba?
[01:57:32] <eviljames> smb/server ?
[01:57:33] <scoffin> hmmm... I get smbd but not nmbd
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[01:57:36] <asyd> s/ 1
[01:57:37] <asyd> oups
[01:58:11] <nachox> scoffin, solaris in kernel cifs server starts only smbd
[01:58:14] <Teltariat> Just out of curiousity, does anyone here use Zabbix?   I figure most of your pros use Nagios
[01:58:22] <Teltariat> *most of you pros...
[01:58:58] <scoffin> nachox so I should stsart nmbd myself, manually?
[01:58:59] <CIA-40> jose borrego <Jose.Borrego at Sun dot COM>: 6709704 smbtorture RAW-BENCH-OPLOCK test fails (when oplocks enabled), 6800443 ReadX and WriteX should support CAP_LARGE_READX and CAP_LARGE_WRITEX
[01:59:00] <CIA-40> Rafael Vanoni <rafael.vanoni at sun dot com>: PSARC 2009/101 Turbo mode observability, 6774635 Observability for Intel's Dynamic Acceleration feature ("turbo mode"), Contributed by Aubrey Li <aubrey.li at intel dot com>
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[01:59:27] <elektronkind> yay turbo mode
[01:59:35] <nachox> scoffin, no, solaris comes with 2 different cifs servers implementation, one of them is the one i named before, and the other is samba
[01:59:53] <nachox> scoffin, they cant be used concurrently because they bind to the same ports
[02:00:30] <elektronkind> if you wanted to run them concurrently, you can run samba in its own zone
[02:00:38] <scoffin> the svcs command says I have svc:/network/samba
[02:01:10] <scoffin> so that is the "samba" version?
[02:02:18] <scoffin> does the "kernel" cifs version contain some nmbd equivalent?
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[02:03:35] <nachox> 3.0.33 is samba's version in the dev repository
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[02:04:44] <nachox> scoffin, i dont think it can replace is completely
[02:05:03] <nachox> but i'm new to solaris' cifs server
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[02:06:15] <scoffin> do the services have some init-script things? where are they located?  {not in /etc/apparently}
[02:06:34] <nachox> for example, i was never able to make it show up in "my network places" in windows
[02:06:45] <trichobezoar> heh.  If 'reboot' waits on zones to shut down, I cant reboot
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[02:07:00] <scoffin> yeah, thats why I want nmbd :-)
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[02:07:57] <nachox> scoffin, yes, read man smf
[02:08:44] <scoffin> nachox thanks, thats helpful....  I'm still not so good at grubbing around inside sol.  :-)
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[02:11:22] <scoffin> nmbd does work when I start it manually, but restarting samba does not seem to start it
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[02:12:43] <nachox> scoffin, svcadm enable samba:nmbd
[02:13:22] <nachox> or svcadm enable /network/wins:default
[02:13:39] <nachox> i'm not sure which one is it, i use solaris' in kernel cifs server
[02:13:59] <scoffin> svcadm: Pattern 'samba:nmbd' doesn't match any instance
[02:14:52] <scoffin> the second one seems to succeed
[02:15:19] <scoffin> and ps says it started nmbd
[02:15:55] <scoffin> does "enable" mean that it will start on a reboot?
[02:15:59] <nachox> yes
[02:16:10] <scoffin> thx, cool
[02:16:27] <nachox> if you used svcadm enable -t /network/wins:default it would have been different
[02:16:33] <nachox> read man svcadm
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[02:16:46] <scoffin> ic, I did not have the -t
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[02:20:47] <nachox> i wonder if the only two things that annoy me about solaris cifs server are limitations, design choices or just that i'm too useless to configure it properly
[02:21:16] <scoffin> samba and cifs are just plain hard, like sendmail
[02:21:53] <_Lewellyn> nachox: what are the 2 things that annoy you? lack of nmbd, i caught
[02:23:21] <scoffin> nfs, with all its warts, is a sweet dream in comparison :-)
[02:24:04] <nachox> _Lewellyn, it actually doesnt seem to know anything about the "computer browser service" which is how windows generates the my network places crap and it doesnt allow for guest unauthenticated access
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[02:24:52] <ry_laptop> Yo
[02:24:54] <_Lewellyn> nachox: i can browse samba shares on sxce 106 using the Network window just fine. haven't tried unauthenticated access
[02:24:59] <_Lewellyn> wow. ryshask. long time no see
[02:25:02] <ry_laptop> :)
[02:25:15] <ry_laptop> I was looking for info on sxce and saw your  name pop up on a log heh
[02:25:23] <_Lewellyn> heh. i'm everywhere ;)
[02:25:29] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[02:25:45] <nachox> _Lewellyn, from windows i cannot see my solaris cifs server when i go to my network places, that's what i meant
[02:26:14] <_Lewellyn> hm. this client i've been IMing with has gone silent. guess his issue wasn't that urgent. now may be a good time to upgrade to 108 and cross my fingers that X doesn't break.
[02:26:26] <_Lewellyn> i'm really curious if wine will kill X in 108 still :)
[02:26:36] <_Lewellyn> nachox: i've not tried, honestly . :)
[02:26:39] <ry_laptop> I'm upgrading from b90 to 108 :)
[02:26:43] <ry_laptop> that should be fun
[02:26:51] <_Lewellyn> very.
[02:27:01] <ry_laptop> the reason for b90? zfs root
[02:27:20] <_Lewellyn> that's why all my solaris machines run 10U6 now :)
[02:27:25] <ry_laptop> Hhe
[02:27:30] <ry_laptop> er HEH
[02:27:35] <ry_laptop> running b90 in production
[02:27:40] <_Lewellyn> i have only one machine with ufs root still
[02:27:44] <_Lewellyn> nice...
[02:27:55] <ry_laptop> >...<
[02:28:06] <ry_laptop> I've got an intel x25-e to test.
[02:28:09] <_Lewellyn> i only have sxce on my laptop, and that's because of wifi + solaris 10 being a no-go :D
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[02:28:23] <ry_laptop> Yeah, I ran 2008.11 on laptop updated to 106, and it was pretty good
[02:28:41] <ry_laptop> not quite there yet, but better than linux
[02:28:51] <ry_laptop> shoot
[02:28:54] <ry_laptop> s/linux//
[02:28:59] <ry_laptop> "other os"
[02:29:13] <_Lewellyn> i hate logging into linux now more than ever :(
[02:29:18] <ry_laptop> heh
[02:29:33] <_Lewellyn> i had a client bring up (out of the blue) migrating a webserver from linux to solaris, today. that made me happy.
[02:29:44] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[02:29:59] <ry_laptop> can you still buy support for sxce?
[02:30:16] <ry_laptop> they used to have quartly feature freezes. but it's not like that anymore
[02:30:56] <_Lewellyn> dunno. i was going to look into that this weekend, actually.
[02:31:01] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[02:32:51] <ry_laptop> guess where I am.
[02:33:04] <ry_laptop> good, 'ol. Pergs
[02:34:19] <_Lewellyn> heh. i haven't been down that far south since moving back up here.
[02:34:28] <ry_laptop> *nod* in the city again?
[02:34:38] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i've done some traveling :)
[02:34:48] <ry_laptop> *nod* come to the same conclusion everyone else does?
[02:35:02] <_Lewellyn> that i miss $3 packs of cigarettes? yes :)
[02:35:07] <ry_laptop> heh
[02:35:18] <ry_laptop> No.... that the west cost is the best coast, hola!
[02:35:20] <ry_laptop> j/k
[02:35:40] <_Lewellyn> also, check /query :)
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[02:39:23] <Teltariat> So folks, the next release of Solaris 10 is gonna be in June?
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[02:41:33] <_Lewellyn> i was hoping for earlier :(
[02:41:46] <_Lewellyn> i was allocating some time at the end of april, in case it was out by then.
[02:42:06] <trichobezoar> I don't get this...  dladm man page says to specify which zone a nic belongs to, to use zonecfg...  The problem is, zonecfg is complaining that the vnic is configured in the global zone...  (after enabling net/physical:default)...
[02:42:42] <Teltariat> _Lewellyn: do you know approximately how far before release they freeze the tree and go into the QA cycle?  From what I recall, Solaris 10 gets "merges" in from Solaris 11
[02:44:46] <_Lewellyn> Teltariat: i have no insights into sun's workings
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[02:45:07] <Teltariat> ok
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[02:53:25] <ry_laptop> Okay, I just subscribed to 2 dozen mailing lists... I think I better go eat something
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[02:55:45] <_Lewellyn> haha. i stopped subscribing to mailing lists since i can't read my mail in solaris and i don't need to flood the accounts my phone reads :)
[02:56:10] <ry_laptop> heh
[02:56:23] <ry_laptop> I actually have my own imap server running, finally
[02:56:31] <ry_laptop> took living int he same house for 4.5 yeras to actually set up a server
[02:57:46] <_Lewellyn> heh. i gave in and let microsoft host my mail. i get a pretty good mail client (windows live mail) and pretty good webmail and my phone likes it :)
[02:58:16] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[02:58:20] <ry_laptop> I'm using dovecot
[02:58:37] <ry_laptop> when android comes to sprint, I'll see about changingthat up.
[02:59:21] <_Lewellyn> a few more months :)
[02:59:31] <ry_laptop> Yeah.
[02:59:34] <ry_laptop> at least
[02:59:43] <ry_laptop> maybe I'll have an excuse to learn java now
[03:01:04] <_Lewellyn> hahaha. i've still managed to avoid learning java to any useful extent.
[03:01:16] <_Lewellyn> i keep meaning to, but erm... things keep coming up... ;)
[03:01:25] <ry_laptop> Yeah...
[03:01:43] <ry_laptop> everyone seems to be doing this new "python" thing... to that I say, bah humbug.
[03:01:46] * ry_laptop shakes fists.
[03:01:57] <ry_laptop> "get off my perl!"
[03:02:04] <_Lewellyn> heh. i started doing python ages ago when i started with zope.
[03:02:08] <ry_laptop> Yeah
[03:02:12] <_Lewellyn> just another tool in the box
[03:02:15] <ry_laptop> Yeah...
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[03:10:13] <ry_laptop> is the solaris kernel intenrals book the best book to ramp up knowlecdge of the solaris kernel, with average systems programming  knowledge of C?
[03:11:10] <_Lewellyn> follow up to ry's question: is it purchasable as pdf?
[03:11:24] <ry_laptop> kindle....
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[03:11:28] <ry_laptop> heh
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[03:12:03] <xRaich[o]2x> ry_laptop: it deals with solaris 10 but you can apply most of it on opensolaris
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[03:12:15] <_Lewellyn> heh. did you see the onion's take on the new kindle? :)
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[03:14:58] <trichobezoar> Is there a John Levon in here?
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[03:17:19] <ry_laptop> xRaich[o]2x: *nod* that's what I figured.
[03:17:29] <ry_laptop> at least provides a good base.
[03:17:33] <ry_laptop> at 1000 pages :)
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[03:18:23] <xRaich[o]2x> ry_laptop: it's a good read ;)
[03:18:33] <ry_laptop> cool, 'xpensive, so I thought I'd ask
[03:18:42] <xRaich[o]2x> you don't need that much C knowledge
[03:18:47] <ry_laptop> I wish I could justify a kindle 2.. but a new one is coming out later this year.
[03:18:51] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[03:18:56] <Andys^> i'd justify it if you could browse any website with it
[03:19:03] <ry_laptop> Heh
[03:19:09] <ry_laptop> true
[03:19:32] <_Lewellyn> this is the book, ry? Solaris Internals(TM): Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris Kernel Architecture (2nd Edition) (Solaris Series) (Hardcover)
[03:19:44] <ry_laptop> yeah, with the kids on the cover? :0
[03:19:52] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i dunno why the kids :P
[03:19:57] <_Lewellyn> but it's on my to-buy list
[03:19:59] <ry_laptop> I think it's frickin awesome
[03:20:06] <ry_laptop> made me laugh ealrier today
[03:20:11] <_Lewellyn> it's not that overly expensive as similar books go
[03:20:17] <xRaich[o]2x> _Lewellyn: kids are curious and like to explore ;)
[03:20:18] <ry_laptop> *nod*
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[03:20:27] * ry_laptop a sun server!
[03:20:28] <_Lewellyn> as you said, it IS a thousand pages
[03:20:35] <ry_laptop> they should have anti static wrist straps
[03:20:43] <_Lewellyn> and the box should be unplugged
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[03:21:14] <ry_laptop> Formatting...
[03:21:14] <ry_laptop>   99% complete (00:03:48 remaining) done
[03:21:14] <ry_laptop> Verifying media...
[03:21:14] <ry_laptop>         pass 0 - pattern = 0xc6dec6de
[03:21:14] <ry_laptop> Segmentation Fault - core dumped
[03:21:15] <ry_laptop> oops
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[03:21:45] <ry_laptop> that sas disk seems to be DOA... it's a seagate, so I'm not surprised
[03:22:04] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: this is the sxce installer?
[03:22:13] <ry_laptop> no, I did a format of a sas drive.
[03:22:16] <_Lewellyn> ah ok.
[03:22:22] <ry_laptop> showing up as "unknown"
[03:22:37] <ry_laptop> I may need to prtvtoc froma good drive
[03:22:40] <_Lewellyn> sxce's installer (at least 106) kept segfaulting when i was trying to partition :P
[03:22:47] <ry_laptop> *nod*
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[03:23:04] <ry_laptop> I'm just going to create a boot environment from b90 to b108 so, it should be pretty easy
[03:23:07] <_Lewellyn> good thing i have a few solaris 10 install dvds lying around :D
[03:23:07] <ry_laptop> also I've got ipmi.
[03:23:13] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[03:23:23] <ry_laptop> I got an official 2008.11 cd :)
[03:23:27] * nachox just configured ntp
[03:23:29] <_Lewellyn> i have one of those, too
[03:23:34] <_Lewellyn> nachox: easy, no? :)
[03:23:37] <nachox> yep
[03:24:20] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: the idea is that someone's bound to be all "ooh! shiny!" at my desktop eventually. so i'm carrying the dvd to give to them. i can always burn another :)
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[03:27:17] <ry_laptop> Yeah
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[03:38:01] <ry_laptop> okay time to unplu gfrom my lapotp
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[03:38:28] <ry_laptop> been at a coffee shop for 6+ hours with almost no movement. I look around and a whole bunch of people appeared from no where.
[03:38:33] <ry_laptop> I'm sure they came from somewhere...
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[03:42:52] <e^ipi> i never understood coffee wenches that dislike people staying there forever
[03:42:53] <_Lewellyn> bodysnatchers, the lot of them.
[03:43:12] <e^ipi> i never cared about guy who never left when i worked at a cafe, unless he was making a mess or being demanding
[03:43:25] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: me either. especially if you have a habit of buying lots of expensive drinks, you'd expect to be welcomed for as long as you wanted
[03:43:29] <e^ipi> but guy who was there for 4 minutes that made a mess annoyed me as much as guy that was there my entire shift that made a mess
[03:44:04] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: exactly. i actually preferred customers that stuck around. they tended to be more pleasant, overall.
[03:44:21] <e^ipi> hell, even nursing one small drip coffee for 8 hours *shrug* not like i get paid more if he buys more drinks
[03:44:51] <_Lewellyn> yeah. i tend to spend a lot at coffee shops. part of why i don't go anymore :)
[03:45:19] <e^ipi> i don't go generally because i can't ever find a cafe that has coffee that's worth drinking
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[03:45:29] <_Lewellyn> one time someone joked that i spend as much at coffee shops as i did at bars. we did the math, and it was true. :(
[03:45:56] <e^ipi> oh, i do too
[03:46:11] <_Lewellyn> but yeah. it's hard finding good coffee
[03:46:13] <e^ipi> but i don't go to bars very often, and i usually just buy one beer and a plate of nachos for the table when I do
[03:46:23] <_Lewellyn> usually i end up looking for an illy sign and drinking espresso
[03:46:35] <e^ipi> i check espressomap.com
[03:47:06] <e^ipi> here in north america anyways, illy's been sitting in a TFE crate for at least 6 months so it just tastes like cardboard
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[03:48:01] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: not always. when you get lucky, illy is pretty good. but it's still usually better than the cheap crap most places have.
[03:48:44] <_Lewellyn> and i just looked up my zipcode on that site. i see 3 near me.. 1) a kiosk. 2) in a mall. 3) in a difficult-to-get-to-easily-from-here location :(
[03:48:44] <e^ipi> just logistically there's no way that Illy can get to a north american cafe in the ( generously ) 4 weeks that it's still good
[03:49:00] <e^ipi> what city you in?
[03:49:05] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: san francisco
[03:49:13] <e^ipi> ritual
[03:49:17] <e^ipi> they're fantastic
[03:49:21] <_Lewellyn> where?
[03:49:27] <e^ipi> in the mission
[03:49:30] <_Lewellyn> i'm in the tenderloin :P
[03:49:35] <_Lewellyn> i like local
[03:49:36] <e^ipi> sorry
[03:49:56] <_Lewellyn> everyone fawns over quetzal's coffee, but it smells awful to me
[03:49:56] <e^ipi> blue bottle is definitely worth the trip as well
[03:50:08] <_Lewellyn> yeah. they're in the sf shopping center, according to that site
[03:50:15] <e^ipi> they have 2 locations
[03:50:30] <_Lewellyn> i shoulda gone when i had lunch at the nordstrom bistro last weekend
[03:50:32] <e^ipi> also worth checking out is in SC, barefoot
[03:50:43] <e^ipi> i actually like barefoot better than any of the cafe's in SF proper
[03:50:49] <_Lewellyn> it says the other location is a kiosk, on linden
[03:50:58] <_Lewellyn> sc as in santa clara or santa cruz?
[03:51:04] <e^ipi> santa clara
[03:51:12] <_Lewellyn> yeah. that's a bit far for coffee :)
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[03:51:25] <e^ipi> yeah, just saying... if you end up there anyways check them out
[03:51:29] <_Lewellyn> i rarely go further south than south city
[03:51:49] <_Lewellyn> though i may head down that way soon. i really need to use my Tech Museum membership more :)
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[03:52:55] <e^ipi> the blue bottle location on mint street is in a mall?
[03:54:07] <e^ipi> i thought it was just near the mall
[03:54:14] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[03:54:14] <_Lewellyn> it showed me the one on linden and one in the sf shopping centre
[03:54:46] <_Lewellyn> oh yeah. it's on mint
[03:55:03] <_Lewellyn> the pin was in the wrong place till i refreshed the page :P
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[03:55:16] * _Lewellyn makes a note to check that out
[03:55:41] <e^ipi> they have this really trippy siphon bar
[03:55:49] <e^ipi> which is mostly why I know about them
[03:56:00] <_Lewellyn> hm.
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[03:59:33] <flyingparchment> when you swap to a zvol, does it get cached in the arc?
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[04:00:33] <_Lewellyn> um... shouldn't lucreate make an entry in grub?
[04:00:40] <jamesd> i would have to say yes, since i there really isn't a directio solution yet.
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[04:00:46] <flyingparchment> _Lewellyn: not until you reboot
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[04:01:17] <_Lewellyn> so luupgrade warning "No entry for BE <b108> in GRUB menu" is fine?
[04:01:44] <flyingparchment> is it a warning or did it just print that?
[04:01:56] <_Lewellyn> printed it just before uncompressing miniroot
[04:03:05] <e^ipi> flyingparchment: zfs get primarycache & secondarycache ?
[04:06:36] <_Lewellyn> ok. i suppose luupgrade will take a while. time to wander off to the store. back later, i hope!
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[04:08:58] <nachox> crap, setting up a vista as a master browser did not work
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[04:46:13] <jdduncan> If anyone here can help with an upgrading problem:  I upgraded my opensolaris box to snv_108, and the global zone is fine.  But some other zones are broken.
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[04:46:47] <jdduncan> For instance they have a new /usr/bin but an old /lib , so binaries won't run
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[04:56:08] <nachox> night all guys
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[04:58:58] <CIA-40> Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at Sun dot COM>: 6741572 Time-of-Day chip not detected under vmware
[04:59:00] <CIA-40> Rafael Vanoni <rafael.vanoni at sun dot com>: PSARC 2009/101 Turbo mode observability, 6774635 Observability for Intel's Dynamic Acceleration feature ("turbo mode") (fix missing file)
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[05:02:04] <spiffytech> What's the best netbook to buy for OpenSolaris?
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[05:07:34] <gehmehgeh> spiffytech: something solar-powered I assume ;-)
[05:08:46] <jamesd> and lots and lots of ram.. perferably dual core if possible ;-
[05:08:49] <jamesd> ;-)
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[05:09:27] <gerryxiao> hello
[05:09:47] <gerryxiao> howto play mp3 in opensolaris?
[05:10:15] <gerryxiao> whereis gstreamer plugins?
[05:10:58] <gerryxiao> i mean rhythmbox
[05:11:10] <gerryxiao> anyone here?
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[05:14:46] <jamesd> damm he was impatient..
[05:14:57] <OpenBuntu> any url that i can refer for trusted extension in opensolaris 2008.11 snv 108?
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[05:16:22] <jamesd> i would say good luck.. they are getting a lot done, probably not enough time to document trusted extension if it even works... though i'm not a OSOL fan
[05:16:32] <e^ipi> OpenBuntu: google.com
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[05:18:13] <gerryxiao> hello
[05:19:00] <jamesd> wb
[05:19:25] <gerryxiao> how to play mp3 in os?
[05:20:00] <jamesd> not sure.. not a OSOL user..  tools do exist for SXCE and Solaris they may work in OSOL but i'm not sure...
[05:20:15] <gerryxiao> where to get gstreamer plugins for rthythmbox
[05:20:17] <jamesd> blastwave.org has xmms as well as a few others.
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[05:21:17] <e^ipi> what's their face
[05:21:18] <e^ipi> ...
[05:21:21] <e^ipi> oh yeah, fluendo.com
[05:21:29] <e^ipi> they have the mp3 codecs
[05:21:32] <e^ipi> they're free
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[05:22:40] <gerryxiao> ok
[05:22:45] <MACscr> I have never ran solaris. Does it work to well in virtualbox running on a windows box?
[05:22:52] <MACscr> er, work that well
[05:23:01] <e^ipi> as well as anything running in virtualization
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[05:23:35] <MACscr> e^ipi: I get your point. Thanks
[05:23:48] <MACscr> hoping I can figure it out well enough to use it for zfs and iscsi
[05:24:08] <e^ipi> give the virtual machine at least 1G of ram
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[05:24:22] <MACscr> sure, np
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[05:59:01] <CIA-40> Alan Wright <amw at Sun dot COM>: 6695825 CIFS wildcards are not wild enough, 6811504 File copy fails with NT client
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[06:07:43] <phrost> can you run raid-z on mixed drives at the lowest capacity or will it fail epically?
[06:07:51] <Andys^> prhost: works fine
[06:07:57] <Andys^> you need to create it with -f(orce)
[06:09:08] <phrost> i'm just making one to play around with- somehow i wound up with 4x250's and 2x200s.. damn WD.
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[06:24:35] <jamesd> phrost, i would just make one with  4x 250's and a second pool with the 200's mirrored.. perhaps even make the 2x 200's root/boot .. or  add the two vdevs the raid5 and the mirror to a single pool.
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[06:39:18] <phrost> jamesd: thanks for the advice, that's probably what i'm going to end up doing
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[06:41:20] <jsoft> Hmm.
[06:41:39] <jsoft> hows this for weird, I remove a hdd, now opensolaris stops crashing during install.
[06:41:52] <jsoft> And it's not even the hdd I Was trying to install onto, it was a slave
[06:42:17] <jsoft> But that also means those backups I should have made.. erm... arnt there
[06:42:28] <jsoft> I think the drive is bung :(
[06:43:02] <jsoft> But at least I can use my damn box now :)
[06:43:44] <jamesd> phrost, what i have found with ZFS is to always do the simplest obvious things, there is just so much deep complex magic going on in ZFS code it wise to let it do what it thinks best.
[06:44:35] <jamesd> jsoft, i would double check the jumpers on the drive, some times other OSes let things work that solaris is just more picky about...
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[06:46:21] <sayaka> when i remove this directory -->/opt/csw/lib/i386 ...and reinstall a package...the freaking directory reappears
[06:46:36] <sayaka> how can i delete it so that it never comes back
[06:46:38] <sayaka> ?
[06:47:16] <_Lewellyn> should i worry about this message before i init 6? The Solaris upgrade of the boot environment <b108> is partially complete.
[06:47:31] <jamesd> delete it and don't reinstall the package...  obviously reinstalling the package puts it back.
[06:48:41] <sayaka> oooh, ok...so i dont reinstall the package I need
[06:48:52] <sayaka> that is a good, very good option
[06:49:00] <bda> Why do you care if the directory is there?
[06:49:00] <sayaka> speacilly when it is something you need
[06:49:04] <bda> Obviously the package creates it.
[06:49:08] <jamesd> why do you want to remove the directory in the first place?
[06:49:10] <_Lewellyn> sayaka: or get the package maintainer to not create the directory and any files in it? or build it yourself? or use SFE?
[06:49:45] <sayaka> ok, let me show you this ---> http://rafb.net/p/8EAAJA14.html
[06:50:00] <sayaka> this is the biggest bug in Opensolaris right now
[06:50:05] <sayaka> IPScommon
[06:50:42] <sayaka> no matter what, i cannot install because IPScommon has a problem
[06:50:44] <_Lewellyn> it looks more like a bug with a third-party package.
[06:50:58] <_Lewellyn> so talk to blastwave
[06:53:25] <_Lewellyn> sayaka: also, is this in the global zone?
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[06:55:31] <sayaka> what you mean by global zone ??
[06:55:41] <_Lewellyn> just what i said...
[06:55:48] <sayaka> I installed for Central Zone (America)
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[06:55:58] <_Lewellyn> you are familiar with the zones functionality in solaris?
[06:56:05] <sayaka> no
[06:56:24] <_Lewellyn> you installed this yourself?
[06:56:29] <sayaka> yes
[06:56:39] <_Lewellyn> then you're probably working in the global zone
[06:57:02] <_Lewellyn> and do you also see that error after trying to install from a root shell? i.e.: pfexec su -
[06:57:04] <sayaka> I installed Opensolaris 2008.11
[06:57:23] <sayaka> i am doing it as root
[06:57:26] <sayaka> su -
[06:57:36] <sayaka> i have not tried pfexec su -
[06:58:01] <_Lewellyn> pfexec su - just keeps you from having to type root's password, if you have the Primary Administrator role.
[06:58:27] <jsoft> pfexec shell ?
[06:58:35] <sayaka> so, is not like i get more permissions
[06:58:45] <sayaka> is the same as su -
[06:59:00] <_Lewellyn> but yeah. it looks to me like the package may be buggy. i don't touch blastwave stuff, so i can't confirm.
[06:59:06] <_Lewellyn> i'd ask them or just use the SFE stuff
[06:59:18] <_Lewellyn> jsoft: hm? su -?
[06:59:32] <sayaka> sfe stuff ?
[06:59:36] <sayaka> what is that ?
[07:00:27] <_Lewellyn> http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
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[07:00:57] <jsoft> hmm.
[07:01:16] <_Lewellyn> jsoft: you aren't giving me enough to respond to :D
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[07:12:57] <_Lewellyn> ok. my live upgrade seems to be partially failed... how can i mount the new dataset?
[07:13:24] <_Lewellyn> $ pfexec zfs mount rpool/ROOT/b108
[07:13:24] <_Lewellyn> cannot mount '/': directory is not empty
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[07:14:49] <_Lewellyn> stupid client :P
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[07:15:26] <_Lewellyn> but should i just ignore "WARNING: <1> packages failed to install properly on boot environment <b108>." or figure out how to get that dataset mounted?
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[07:24:54] <IvanR_> _Lewellyn: lumount <BE_name>
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[07:26:56] <_Lewellyn> aha. thanks.
[07:27:07] <_Lewellyn> i've never had live upgrade fail on me before
[07:27:35] <_Lewellyn> the package that didn't install properly was SUNWlxsl... wonder why...
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[07:28:22] <_Lewellyn> is it probably safe to pkgrm and then pkgadd SUNWlxsl manually after reboot?
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[07:29:03] <IvanR_> There should be a log with the a lot of output from all the pkgadd commands, including the output from when that one failed
[07:29:49] <_Lewellyn> hm. looking...
[07:31:01] <IvanR_> Ah, <be_mount>/var/sadm/system/logs/upgrade_log should point to the most recent one
[07:31:21] <_Lewellyn> yeah. just found it :)
[07:31:39] <_Lewellyn> worked through /var/sadm/system till i got something that looked like an upgrade log :)
[07:32:04] <_Lewellyn> cpio: Cannot open file "usr/lib/amd64/libexslt.so.0", errno 89, Operation not applicable
[07:32:19] <_Lewellyn> i'll just pkgrm and pkgadd it manually after reboot
[07:33:03] <IvanR_> Why not try it within the BE filesystem?
[07:33:24] <IvanR_> pkgrm/pkgadd take -R /be_mount
[07:33:26] <_Lewellyn> because i don't actually use any zones on this machine and i want to reboot into windows to play a game? :)
[07:33:42] <IvanR_> Fair enough. :)
[07:33:43] <_Lewellyn> so more things that can fail == longer before i can play :)
[07:34:18] <_Lewellyn> hm. actually, i should try again in vbox since i poked at the windows install when it was booted
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[07:50:42] <sayaka> PHASE                                        ACTIONS
[07:50:42] <sayaka> Install Phase                               887/1724 Action install failed for 'opt/csw/lib/i386' (pkg://Blastwave/IPScommon):
[07:50:42] <sayaka>   OSError: [Errno 1] Not owner: '//opt/csw/lib/i386'
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[07:53:17] <JWheeler_> pfexec?
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[07:55:16] <MACscr> for solaris noobs, do you suggest regular opensolaris or nexenta? Im mainly just wanting to use it for ZFS and an iscsi target. I really have no unbuntu/debian experience, so im not sure how much the nexenta version would help
[07:55:32] <MACscr> im more of a centos guys in general
[07:55:49] <elektronkind> regular opensolaris :)
[07:55:58] <JWheeler_> yeah, I'd go opensolaris I think
[07:56:11] <JWheeler_> sxce is still a bit new and different from linux, OS is much closer
[07:56:28] <MACscr> yeah, that's what I was thinking as well
[07:56:35] <MACscr> bigger support group as well =P
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[07:59:12] <c00p> sayaka: I have got that error before ... could never work it out - I was running as root with pfexec ...
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[08:01:51] <_Lewellyn> sayaka: have you tried contacting the blastwave people?
[08:02:08] <_Lewellyn> it really smells of a borked package
[08:02:45] <_Lewellyn> and i don't think anyone in here can fix a blastwave package
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[08:28:56] <_Lewellyn> ok. giving up on vbox again for tonight.
[08:29:23] <_Lewellyn> after live upgrade, shutdown should work, right? (it does on solaris 10/sparc...)
[08:32:43] <e^ipi> yes, just don't use reboot
[08:32:48] <e^ipi> init or shutdow
[08:32:53] <e^ipi> +n
[08:32:59] <jsoft> What is the package name for pkg?
[08:33:04] <e^ipi> ipkg
[08:33:09] <e^ipi> or SUNWipkg
[08:33:11] <e^ipi> i don't remember
[08:34:09] <jsoft> ta
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[08:34:29] <_Lewellyn> e^ipi: mmk. thanks. wanted to be sure my solaris knowledge still applied :)
[08:34:37] <_Lewellyn> now i go. thanks :)
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[08:53:52] <codestr0m> zfs grow / shrink was brought up on the list as a possible good feature or gsoc project.. anyone else think that could be handy?
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[08:59:29] <gerard13> hello codestr0m, i have another request about zfs, be able to retrieve what processes are using it, because i'm not able to rename a dataset, and i can't retrieve why
[09:00:03] <codestr0m> gerard13: dtrace?
[09:00:20] <codestr0m> and yes.. I've had cases where I want to know which process is blocking something
[09:01:30] <bda> fuser?
[09:02:38] <gerard13> no bda, it doesn't work in my case (even with -c) fuser returns nothing and i'm not able to change the mountpoint
[09:03:03] <bda> What's the error?
[09:03:40] <gerard13> http://pastebin.fr/3635
[09:04:23] <e^ipi> codestr0m: zfs already grows
[09:04:27] <e^ipi> so that's not so helpful
[09:04:29] <bda> huh.
[09:04:33] <e^ipi> shrink is harder than you think it might be
[09:04:46] <e^ipi> since it involves ejecting blocks from where they are
[09:05:43] <e^ipi> there's a couple guys already working on it, and it's taken them much longer already than the 2 months GSoC gives you
[09:06:02] <e^ipi> and to show for it we have that scrub doesn't restart when you do a snapshot
[09:06:17] <bda> \o/
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[09:07:06] <e^ipi> this is assuming that opensolaris isn't given the cold shoulder by google again this year
[09:07:38] * bda would like zfs destroy -i or a per-pool/fs attribute for same. :)
[09:07:59] <bda> Which seems easily within the reach of a gsoc project.
[09:08:09] <bda> Prompts.
[09:08:31] <bda> "Are you really sure you want to destroy tank/worthmorethanyourjob?"
[09:08:34] <e^ipi> ahh, yes
[09:08:41] <e^ipi> that's a tenable idea
[09:10:02] <codestr0m> bda: could you post that on the list..
[09:10:10] <codestr0m> zfs-discuss gsoc thread
[09:10:11] <e^ipi> that said, a mentor for GSoC is probably going to want the code to get to a state where it can be putback
[09:10:19] <e^ipi> so, SCA will be a requirement
[09:11:15] <codestr0m> I've been looking specifically for the raidz code.. is that here
[09:11:15] <codestr0m> usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev_raidz.c
[09:11:15] <codestr0m> or more places?
[09:11:46] <e^ipi> there's probably plenty of places that it depends on
[09:11:49] <e^ipi> finding blocks, etc
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[09:17:27] <trochej> Coffee
[09:17:38] <eklof> Hi
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[09:18:02] <eklof> What tools is there in opensolaris for monitoring temperatures, like HDD and case.
[09:18:17] <eklof> Somethink like mbmon/hddtemp in Linux.
[09:18:51] <eklof> Ans also, is there something equivilent to smartctl?
[09:19:08] <elektronkind> you can compile smartctl on solaris
[09:19:19] <elektronkind> it's a supported OS
[09:19:44] <e^ipi> eklof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_thermometer
[09:19:46] <eklof> Oh I see, i usually avoid compiling stuff but if there's no choice.
[09:20:10] <eklof> e^ipi:  :/
[09:20:20] <e^ipi> and the open-source counter revolution begins...
[09:20:54] <elektronkind> compiling is such a bummer dude
[09:21:22] <elektronkind> I want everything to come from the magick RPM server in the sky
[09:22:02] <eklof> :)
[09:22:25] <eklof> Hey don't ridicule me :)
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[09:24:16] <e^ipi> eklof: why not? it's really all we've got here
[09:24:31] <trochej> Coffe
[09:24:35] <trochej> We can drink coffee
[09:24:58] <eklof> e^ipi: Well I don't mind actuallty...
[09:25:13] <eklof> ZFS <3
[09:25:25] <elektronkind> heh
[09:25:31] <trochej> eklof: Coming from Linux/*BSD person complaining about compiling stuff sounds... weird. But then, having used Linux in the days when xfree86 config faile had to be written in manual in hand, I may be biased. :)
[09:25:31] <elektronkind> well to answer your first question:
[09:25:54] <elektronkind> no, there's really not an equivalent to those utilities in solaris at the moment
[09:26:16] <elektronkind> but a well thought-out sensor implementation is on the way
[09:26:26] <elektronkind> (the FMA Sensors project)
[09:27:14] <Arclyte> anyone interested in a little late night conversation? im looking at putting together a server using opensolaris as a backup solution and I had a couple questions for anyone whos had that adventure before
[09:27:26] <eklof> trochej: I don't complain. I have always used debian, so packages I love. :)
[09:27:35] <trochej> Arclyte: It's the bringht morning here, why not talk? :)
[09:27:43] <trochej> eklof: Yeah, Debian rocks!
[09:27:53] <trochej> eklof: On the other hand Slackware is The Linux Distro. :)
[09:27:54] <eklof> I've used it since 1994.
[09:28:01] <Arclyte> ah its night here :P
[09:28:11] <Arclyte> anyway
[09:28:26] <elektronkind> what kind of questions Arclyte?
[09:28:44] <eklof> I'm new to OpenSolaris since a few month.
[09:29:03] <trochej> 94
[09:29:08] <trochej> A long time to go. :)
[09:29:17] <eklof> Yepp.
[09:29:30] <elektronkind> infomagic cd's
[09:29:37] <Arclyte> well im in the market now for building a server... i really want something thats low energy consumption and I really wanna go with opensolaris to run... I just realized its 64bit only so first things first i was curious if anyone had a guide or hardware list for low power consumption
[09:29:39] <elektronkind> tsx11 and sunsite on one cdrom!
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[09:30:07] <Arclyte> im out of touch on my 64 bit hardware so i really dont know whats good to go with
[09:30:09] <trochej> Arclyte: OS is 32/64 bit at the same time
[09:30:30] <Arclyte> oooh... i was under the impression it was 64 bit only
[09:30:35] <trochej> Arclyte: Nope
[09:30:39] <elektronkind> opensolaris isn't 64bit only... but zfs does work best on a 64bit system
[09:30:39] <Arclyte> well thats exciting
[09:30:45] <trochej> Arclyte: Correct me, but Atom cpus are 32bit?
[09:30:48] <Arclyte> maybe thats what it was
[09:30:57] <elektronkind> by "work" I really mean "perform"
[09:30:57] <trochej> And OS is happily running eeepc
[09:31:42] <e^ipi> no, atom is 64 as well
[09:31:44] <Arclyte> theres 64 bit atom cpus im pretty sure
[09:31:48] <Arclyte> yeah
[09:31:53] <e^ipi> the first run of them weren't
[09:31:58] <e^ipi> but you can't even buy those anymore
[09:33:25] <trochej> Atoms are 64bit now?
[09:33:33] <trochej> My, am I waay behind news.
[09:33:34] <trochej> :)
[09:34:56] <Arclyte> alright well.. my other question was I wanted to use ZFS of course to manage all of my data storage.. and i read a few guides on using it but im a little confused, you can set up one zfs pool so both windows and macs can connect to the drive over a network right?
[09:35:19] <e^ipi> yeah, you just share it
[09:35:28] <e^ipi> CIFS and/or NFS
[09:35:31] <elektronkind> well you can set up a filesystem in a pool and share it out
[09:35:34] <e^ipi> also iscsi
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[09:35:46] <Arclyte> ah yeah CIFS.. i thought smb
[09:35:50] <Arclyte> thats what it was
[09:35:52] <elektronkind> cifs is probably what you're looking for in the mac/windoes case
[09:36:02] <e^ipi> same diff.
[09:36:37] <e^ipi> the name was changed to CIFS because it sounds more like a cross-platform standard... "common internet file sharing"
[09:36:44] <e^ipi> common to all the versions of windows
[09:37:11] <Arclyte> and so that will allow both mac and windows clients to read and write data to the disk.. now what do i do to backup that data that the clients will be dumping on the zfs network drive.. do i just schedule snapshots of the disk or are there better scheduling tools with open solaris for data redundancy?
[09:37:45] <elektronkind> well snapshots (and there is a auto-snapshotting service in opensolaris) will save you from file deletes, etc
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[09:38:07] <elektronkind> some sort of RAID (mirroring, raidz, raidz2) will save you from disk failures
[09:38:32] <elektronkind> but for total backups? thre are any number of solutions for that
[09:38:43] <eklof> cp for backups! :)
[09:39:02] <Arclyte> right... well my raid card just went out on me and thats part of the reason for setting up a new server.. if i understand correctly raidz is software raid right?
[09:39:13] <e^ipi> correct
[09:39:13] <eklof> Yes it is.
[09:39:19] <elektronkind> rdiff-backup to rsync to amanda/zmanda, legato, networker and so on
[09:39:24] <Arclyte> alright cool, thats straightens that out for me
[09:39:29] <eklof> And it's an awsome software raid :)
[09:39:30] <e^ipi> zfs send/recv
[09:39:40] <elektronkind> that too
[09:40:02] <eklof> But no encryption yet :( :(
[09:40:11] <elektronkind> soon
[09:40:13] <e^ipi> nobody cares what you have
[09:40:22] <eklof> I'm waiting :)
[09:40:23] <elektronkind> build 111 or so will have zfs-crypto
[09:40:31] <e^ipi> doubtful, 111 is restricted
[09:40:32] <eklof> So I've heard.
[09:40:44] <Arclyte> well.. is it possible to do a a JBOD in zfs with 2 1TB drives and then pop in say a smaller drive that will make backups of certain directories that change often to keep backups off those disks?
[09:40:45] <elektronkind> restricted??
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[09:40:56] <e^ipi> yes... b111 is what 2009.06 is based on
[09:41:06] <e^ipi> so it's much harder to get stuff in to it
[09:41:07] <elektronkind> ah yes, that kind of restricted
[09:41:09] <Arclyte> im just kind of second guessing the raid option now.. because it copies errors as well and my current raid system just crapped out on me and it really sucks
[09:41:10] <elektronkind> right
[09:41:20] <eklof> e^ipi: I thought it was gonna be 2009.04 ?
[09:41:26] <Arclyte> so i want to do something other then a raid and still have data redundancy
[09:41:28] <elektronkind> P1 or P2's I think
[09:41:30] <e^ipi> Arclyte: ZFS doesn't copy errors
[09:41:35] <e^ipi> it has checksums, it corrects errors
[09:41:49] <Arclyte> oh snap... thats pretty awesome
[09:41:56] <Arclyte> hrmm
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[09:42:29] <elektronkind> I've got close to half a PB under zfs at work, and it keeps growing
[09:42:36] <elektronkind> the shit works, and works well
[09:42:38] <Arclyte> wow
[09:42:40] <e^ipi> one of the advantages of intelligent coupling of filesystem and volume management
[09:42:45] <Arclyte> you can jsut keep adding disks?
[09:42:57] <e^ipi> yep
[09:42:59] <trochej> elektronkind: Just don't mention the 80% file system used issue. :)
[09:43:16] <trochej> Arclyte: You can grow the pool practically forever
[09:43:19] <Arclyte> and the volume letter dosent change the disk storage just grows?
[09:43:25] <e^ipi> there's no letter
[09:43:25] <Arclyte> wow thats... thats almost too easy haha
[09:43:29] <e^ipi> but yes, the storage just grows
[09:43:41] <trochej> Arclyte: No letters.
[09:43:42] <Arclyte> right i mean you mount it over network nm
[09:44:04] <trochej> yup
[09:44:34] <Arclyte> im just worried about cros platform problems.. if i have a large disk of like music video and photos i just know im going to have problems with cross platform access from both mac and pc
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[09:44:49] <Arclyte> but i guess thats unforeseeable
[09:44:50] <trochej> Arclyte: Why?
[09:44:51] <eklof> Just share using NFS/CIFS.
[09:45:04] <trochej> Arclyte: NFS/CIFS (praviously SMB)
[09:45:21] <trochej> Arclyte: Mount it with proper protocol
[09:45:26] <trochej> Arclyte: And it ought to work
[09:45:28] <Arclyte> alright.. i dont know why im just paranoid because ive had too much bad luckw ith computers the past week :P
[09:45:37] <Arclyte> easy enough
[09:46:03] <trochej> Arclyte: trochejen.blogspot.com
[09:46:06] <trochej> Talk about bad luck
[09:46:13] <trochej> I'm sitting at mentioned netra right now
[09:46:18] <Arclyte> so if i pop in a 1tb drive into the server and i do a raidz.. if i understnd correctly it mirrors like a raid 1 so i need another 1tb in there to get it to work right?
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[09:46:37] <eklof> Arclyte: that's correct
[09:46:49] <trochej> Uhm
[09:46:50] <Arclyte> hrmm
[09:46:53] <eklof> or not
[09:46:58] <e^ipi> you can do any sort of raid you like
[09:47:00] <trochej> Isn't raidz more like raid5?
[09:47:01] <eklof> a mirror needs 2 identical drives
[09:47:06] <e^ipi> well, except the weird one
[09:47:07] <eklof> raidz1 needs 3
[09:47:13] <e^ipi> like raid4... nobody uses that shit
[09:47:16] <eklof> Sorry
[09:47:31] <elektronkind> and raid2
[09:47:33] <elektronkind> heh
[09:47:47] <elektronkind> I forget what even that does
[09:47:54] <eklof> Me too.
[09:47:56] <codestr0m> Am I mistaken or zfs can't boot off a slice larger than 1T? or that it can't boot from a drive larger than 1T?
[09:48:05] <eklof> only ever heard of people using raid1, 5 and 6.
[09:48:12] <e^ipi> and 0
[09:48:22] <eklof> oh that too of course.
[09:48:25] <elektronkind> ah
[09:48:26] <elektronkind> A RAID 2 stripes data at the bit (rather than block) level, and uses a Hamming code for error correction.
[09:48:44] <Arclyte> well.. im not too worried about raiding id rather just have a tool monitor a certain directory and jsut make say nightly backups on another drive, they dont have to be mirrored down to the block level, and it sounds like there are many solutions like that for opensolaris so i guess thats probably the best option for me
[09:48:55] <trochej> codestr0m: ZFS van't boot from EFI label now, and SMI can do less then 1TB IIRC
[09:49:02] <trochej> codestr0m: I read it in docs some time ago,
[09:49:10] <e^ipi> Arclyte: why copy your data over? create a raidz, and then just run snapshots
[09:49:20] <codestr0m> trochej: ok that's what it is.. and the grub 2 stuff would possibly solve the efi problem
[09:49:31] <Arclyte> so snapshots.. they are images of the entire drive? do they get compressed?
[09:49:43] <e^ipi> they record deltas
[09:50:00] <Arclyte> oh
[09:50:03] <e^ipi> it's copy on write
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[09:50:32] <e^ipi> so rather than writing over old data, it writes a new block and then deletes the old one. If the old one is behind a snapshot, it doesn't get deleted
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[09:50:51] <e^ipi> just recorded under the 'snapshot' accounting structure
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[09:51:24] <Arclyte> one other question. everything ive seen zfs is administered from the console.. there is no gui to monitor or administer anything with zfs is there?
[09:51:37] <e^ipi> no, there's not
[09:51:45] <e^ipi> the command line is retarded simple though
[09:51:49] <e^ipi> a monkey could use it
[09:51:51] <Arclyte> yeah ive seen it
[09:52:09] <e^ipi> a particularly literate monkey, perhaps, but a monkey none the less
[09:52:12] <elektronkind> the cli is pretty intuitive
[09:52:12] <Arclyte> it dosent look complicated at all
[09:52:22] <Arclyte> i jsut feel like.. its almost TOO easy you know
[09:52:25] <Arclyte> :P
[09:52:41] <trochej> Arclyte: This is the problem, people think there is some kind of a cathc
[09:52:43] <trochej> cathc
[09:52:45] <trochej> Grr
[09:52:46] <trochej> C
[09:52:47] <trochej> A
[09:52:48] <trochej> T
[09:52:51] <trochej> C
[09:52:53] <trochej> H
[09:52:54] <Arclyte> haha
[09:52:56] <trochej> Now
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[09:52:58] <trochej> And there isn't
[09:52:59] <e^ipi> oops
[09:53:01] <e^ipi> :P
[09:53:05] <e^ipi> i meant to kick trochej
[09:53:06] <Arclyte> well.. thats totally good to know
[09:53:45] <Arclyte> well.. i have some drives now that will be the basis for the server.. but theres data on them and their formatted NTFS.. should i strip all the data off em and put a clean format on em before i create a zfs pool on em?
[09:54:01] <e^ipi> you would save your data, and then give the entire disk to ZFS
[09:54:05] <e^ipi> rather than a partition on the disk
[09:54:16] <e^ipi> that way, ZFS can intelligently manage the disk's caches
[09:54:19] <Arclyte> right i wold want to use the whole disk
[09:54:26] <e^ipi> which speeds things up a great deal
[09:54:30] <Arclyte> i would store it on another comp and then create zfs ont he disk
[09:54:53] <Arclyte> then just mount it from another comp and drag the data on the newly pooled zfs disk.. its that easy?
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[09:55:17] <e^ipi> yep
[09:55:23] <Arclyte> Amazing.
[09:56:06] <elektronkind> yeah, I'd say so :)
[09:56:27] <Arclyte> hrmm ok well this is pretty awesome.. so im curious now if anyone runs a home file server and has any suggestions for services or applications that you love on open solaris so i know what to get or compile when i set it up
[09:56:50] <e^ipi> that depends entirely on what you want to do with it
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[09:57:13] <e^ipi> 'postgres' is likely unhelpful unless you have a need for a database, for example
[09:57:16] <kim0> Hi .. pkg image-update "creating plan" forever ?!
[09:57:19] <Arclyte> well mostly data hosting, storage and backup stuff but i would eventually liek to host a domain on it, a wiki server, and share printers
[09:57:25] <kim0> ips 107 -> 108
[09:57:47] <Arclyte> and an email server as well
[09:58:03] <e^ipi> Arclyte: then i would suggest a dns server ( like bind ), and a web server ( like open web server, or cherokee )
[09:58:10] <codestr0m> kim0: sun servers are slow.. expect delays. crashes and annoyances
[09:58:28] <kim0> codestr0m: really :D that's my laptop anyway
[09:58:32] <Arclyte> bind and open web server alright ill check those out
[09:58:37] <Arclyte> thanks for the heads up :)
[09:58:39] <e^ipi> and check out zones
[09:58:48] <e^ipi> i run all my services in zones because it makes me happy
[09:58:54] <Arclyte> oh! now i know what i needed it to do
[09:58:56] <e^ipi> ( zones is an OS feature, not software )
[09:59:36] <kim0> pkg image-update is taking 0% CPU ..
[09:59:39] <kim0> and just sitting there
[09:59:45] <kim0> spinning
[09:59:55] <Arclyte> im looking for like an internet security service, kind of like a firewall but what i REALLY need is to be able to set open solaris to allow access to certain applications on windows clients and deny access to the internet for other applications
[10:00:07] <codestr0m> kim0: truss it.. it's maybe hung waiting to timeout
[10:00:15] <kim0> ok
[10:00:18] <codestr0m> kim0: be patient.. come back and 3 hours
[10:00:27] * codestr0m not being sarcastic
[10:00:37] <Arclyte> err sorry that came out weird, i want to allow internet access for certain applications and deny internet access to others
[10:00:51] <e^ipi> Arclyte: manual section 5, page "ipfilter"
[10:01:01] <Arclyte> ipfilter gotcha
[10:02:43] <kim0> codestr0m: thanks for the slow comments .. it really was just slow .. now it kicked back to work !!!
[10:03:07] <codestr0m> kim0: it may crash. .be patient.. restart and try again
[10:03:41] * kim0 starts a fire and makes the slowlaris voodoo
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[10:05:53] <Arclyte> hrmm.. now im curious about ZFS and usb storage disks.. i can plug in a new drive create a zfs pool on it, use it for data and share it on a network and when im done i can just unmount it and power it down right? i read some horror story where some one wasnt releasing the ZFS or something and they suffered massive data corruption.. im not sure what they did but i want to avoid that.
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[10:10:08] <tsoome> complex file systems like zfs relay on caching a lot, if you detach or poweroff your device without letting zfs to write down data, you will get what you are asking for
[10:10:26] <Arclyte> ah maybe thats what he did
[10:11:30] <Arclyte> well.. if you let it cache and then you power it down your fine right, i havent seen the command but i would assume there is a way to monitor when the cacheing is done and its safe to power down
[10:11:32] <trochej> Arclyte: Basically, you don't wont to remove unmounted media with any writeable filesystem
[10:11:48] <Arclyte> oh
[10:11:53] <eklof> tsoome: that's interesting actually. If I write something to my ZFS drive, how long does it take before ZFS writes it? I thought immideately. isn't caching more for reading data?
[10:12:09] <tsoome> for zfs it means you wanna do zpool export before poweroff/detach
[10:12:10] <trochej> eklof: There is a tunable parameter for it iirc
[10:12:12] <codestr0m> would anyone have a legal online reference that states whether reading the comments extracted from source would constitute reading the source code or since it's a comment and not the code it's safe.. and that info could be used in a cleanroom implementation
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[10:12:32] <eklof> trochej: ah I see. interesting, will google it.
[10:13:28] <trygvis> eklof: zfs batches writes, which will be flushed every 5th second by default
[10:13:37] <trygvis> the timeout is a tuneable as trochej said
[10:13:38] <e^ipi> codestr0m: you are allowed to read the source code all you like
[10:13:40] <tsoome> eklof: thing is, the data modification will be written pretty often, but there is no way to "guess" if there is any data in cache to be written or not:)
[10:13:45] <e^ipi> codestr0m: you just aren't allowed to copy it
[10:14:11] <trochej> e^ipi: I think he may refer to some other licenced code than CDDL
[10:14:18] <e^ipi> codestr0m: cleanroom just ensures that 1) you don't accidently copy it, and 2) nobody can claim you accidently copied it
[10:14:23] <e^ipi> trochej: doesn't matter
[10:14:36] <eklof> tsoome: ok, so per default, if you shut the power of, you can loose up to 5s worth of data writes.
[10:14:52] <tsoome> yeah
[10:14:56] <Arclyte> just so im clear, the process of using an external ZFS drive is this.. plug it into opensolaris server share it on the network and then when i am done using it unmount it give it a zpool export and its SAFE to power down and store since i dont use it much?
[10:15:17] <tsoome> thats corrct
[10:15:20] <Arclyte> alight
[10:15:24] <Arclyte> once again easy enough
[10:15:28] <kim0> eklof: if the pool doesnt corrupt :)
[10:15:33] <tsoome> zpool export will do zfs umount -a by itself
[10:15:38] <Arclyte> oh ok
[10:15:46] <codestr0m> e^ipi: so you can read the closed bins code and the go reimplement it for the emancipation project.. and I also think not reading the code is the safety procedure policy setup by some orgs so that others can't claim you copied it
[10:15:57] <Arclyte> is zpool export a long operation to run? will it take a couple minutes to do what it needs to do?
[10:16:01] <e^ipi> codestr0m: correct
[10:16:28] <e^ipi> Arclyte: it takes miliseconds
[10:16:29] <trochej> Arclyte: My 250 GB HDD exports about two seconds
[10:16:37] <trochej> And it's on USB
[10:16:41] <trochej> And not really fast one
[10:16:41] <Arclyte> oh ok sweet
[10:16:42] <cmihai> One guy does the reading / reverse engineering / documentation, the other guy in China does the reimplementation :P
[10:16:43] <codestr0m> e^ipi: ok. so I guess I need to question that org about their safety procedures..
[10:17:14] <Arclyte> god why isnt this file system used more widely haha like i said this is all too good to be true but it is true so :P seems to be an adoption problem
[10:17:27] <codestr0m> cmihai: I've got all the code.. no need to reverse engineer, but yes I am trying to document things for another guy to reimpl
[10:17:30] <trochej> Arclyte: Lack of information.
[10:17:32] <e^ipi> Arclyte: because it was invented 3 years ago
[10:17:38] <Arclyte> ah
[10:17:38] <trochej> Arclyte: FreeBSD 7 has it
[10:17:40] <e^ipi> or thereabouts
[10:17:42] <Arclyte> early adopters :)
[10:17:46] <e^ipi> OSX has it, freebsd has it
[10:17:46] <tsoome> people just dont care
[10:17:48] <trochej> Arclyte: Mac OS X Leopard and above has it
[10:17:55] <Arclyte> well i guess apple is looking at it for snow leopard..
[10:18:08] <Arclyte> i thoguth leopard could only read and not write
[10:18:20] <e^ipi> you can download the read/write implementation
[10:18:24] <trochej> Arclyte: But people just don't believe it is so simple and so efficient
[10:18:24] <e^ipi> but it ships with read-only
[10:18:29] <Arclyte> i remember reading about some caveat with zfs in mac it wasnt as robust as opensolaris
[10:18:41] <Arclyte> oh thats what it was
[10:19:41] <Arclyte> "people just dont care" haha aww thats sad tsoome :( people should care about efficient file systems :P
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[10:20:07] <e^ipi> 10.6 is already using ZFS as an advertising feature
[10:20:12] <Arclyte> well who knows maybe future oses will standardize it
[10:20:13] <e^ipi> so we'll see what that translates in to
[10:20:27] <e^ipi> i'd /love/ to see a windows driver for it
[10:20:30] <Arclyte> i dont think windows 7 is using it.. its still ntsf or something i dont remember
[10:20:49] <e^ipi> no, no windows drivers have been written at all
[10:21:01] <Arclyte> suprise
[10:21:33] <tsoome> ill bet it will be done:P
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[10:22:41] <Arclyte> well windows 7 is using the same fie system as vista right, so thats NTFS
[10:22:45] <Arclyte> thats lame
[10:23:09] <e^ipi> then i would laugh and laugh as every major OS uses the  same advanced filesystem except one
[10:23:32] <Arclyte> oh like if everyone uses zfs except windows?
[10:23:33] <Arclyte> haha
[10:23:46] <e^ipi> no, if everyone used it except linux
[10:23:47] <tsoome> linux wont use it for sure:P
[10:23:59] <Arclyte> "come enjoy fat 32"
[10:24:02] <e^ipi> i want windows to have it
[10:24:12] <Arclyte> why wont linux use it? i dont follow there
[10:24:23] <Arclyte> competition i assume
[10:24:27] <e^ipi> because their license won't let them
[10:24:31] <Arclyte> oh right
[10:24:33] <Arclyte> GNU
[10:24:38] <e^ipi> because they can't relicense it
[10:24:38] <Arclyte> and opensolaris isnt
[10:24:42] <Arclyte> that sucks
[10:24:52] <e^ipi> for them
[10:24:58] <tsoome> their problem
[10:25:15] <Arclyte> yeah
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[10:25:53] <tsoome> shouldnt play "we are soo open" games when thay are actually not
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[10:27:24] <Arclyte> but the open solaris license allows them to use from the gnu license right? or they cant collaborate either way? i know its CDDL but i dont know much about it
[10:28:17] <tsoome> they use the viral license, it wants to spread and lock all others on it
[10:28:19] <e^ipi> Arclyte: the problem is the GPL won't let you import code unless you can hold it under the same license
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[10:28:40] <e^ipi> the CDDL only applies to CDDL licensed files, it doesn't spread outside itself
[10:28:41] <Arclyte> ooh i see
[10:28:43] <e^ipi> the GPL does
[10:29:55] <niq> that'll be why linux doesn't have apache, or bind, or openoffice, or java, or .... yeah, right
[10:30:17] <tsoome> ?
[10:30:38] <trochej> niq: What does have code licence to userland applications?
[10:30:45] <trochej> Or are you simply trolling?
[10:30:52] <e^ipi> niq: no, that's why linux isn't linked in to bind or apache or...
[10:31:02] <e^ipi> not that a kernel would need to link in to userland
[10:32:05] <e^ipi> but thanks for playing, try again next time
[10:35:49] <Arclyte> so it sounds like quite a few people here have been running zfs for quite some time.. im curious for how long and if they have had any problems with it
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[10:37:25] <kim0> Arclyte: Yes zfs is awesome, we use it in data center production .. and sometimes (rarely) we had problems with it (pool corruptions, data loss) .. supposedly those bugs are fixed .. But you're always better off to have a secondary copy anyway
[10:37:27] <trochej> Arclyte: I know environments that use ZFS for Petabytes of data
[10:37:41] <trochej> HAving 100 Terabytes data growth per day
[10:37:44] <trochej> And they are happy
[10:38:00] <trochej> Yes, backups are the must
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[10:38:50] <Arclyte> my god
[10:39:12] <Arclyte> well this is home stuff so i wouldn't be using petabytes.. i wish. but thats.. encouraging
[10:39:58] <trochej> Arclyte: I use it at home and it simply works
[10:40:02] <Arclyte> i think i just mostly dont want to lose another drive to mirror the main backup drive haha
[10:40:30] <Arclyte> whats your home network like trochej?
[10:40:36] <trochej> Very small :)
[10:40:38] <tsoome> only issues so far i have seen is need to apply some limits and optimizations sometimes.
[10:40:56] <Arclyte> what kind of OSes are you running on the network i mean
[10:41:04] <tsoome> and ofc, the rpool limits can "feel" too restrictive sometimes
[10:41:17] <Arclyte> hrmm
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[10:41:44] <tsoome> but i expect most of them will be resolved over time
[10:42:22] <trochej> Arclyte: Windows, Ubuntu, OS
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[10:42:47] <Arclyte> quite a diverse network you have there
[10:43:06] <trochej> Nah
[10:43:35] <Arclyte> well there could be more sure but you have some diversity there.. its not all windows :P
[10:43:58] <trochej> Arclyte: Windows is for some obscure IRS app that runs unstable in wine. :)
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[10:44:12] <Arclyte> haha
[10:44:23] <Arclyte> why not just create a virtual box in ubuntu?
[10:44:25] <Arclyte> or in OS
[10:44:42] <trochej> Arclyte: But it works in VirtualBox. :)
[10:44:43] <e^ipi> because xen is better?
[10:45:04] <trochej> Arclyte: What doesn't change the fact that said Windows interacts with my network. :)
[10:45:12] <Arclyte> oh ok
[10:45:27] <trochej> e^ipi: Not for windows, when you lack proper virtualisation support in hardware. :)
[10:45:37] <e^ipi> ahh, well there is that then
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[10:47:00] <trochej> e^ipi: I didn't have enought cash to buy myself a laptop with hw virt flags. :)
[10:47:07] <trochej> I plan on having more cash soon.
[10:47:07] <trochej> :)
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[10:49:48] <e^ipi> i only use xen on my athlon machine
[10:49:54] <e^ipi> it's new enough that it has the virt flags
[10:50:10] <trochej> :)
[10:50:48] <e^ipi> evening benr
[10:50:51] <e^ipi> you're certainly up late
[10:50:53] <trochej> benr: Elo
[10:51:47] <benr> nah, I'm always up this late, just rarely log into irc.
[10:52:21] <Arclyte> im just concerned now about putting together the right set of hardware for this server so opensolaris runs well and it doesn't eat a bunch of power. i read in some thread that some one said that opensolaris is very picky about the hardware you can use with it but i think they were trolling the forum so im not sure
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[10:52:46] <trochej> Arclyte: OpenSolaris can use less hardware than, say, Linux
[10:52:55] <trochej> Arclyte: But still
[10:53:05] <trochej> You can use it on wealth of hardware anyway
[10:53:07] <Arclyte> it can.. but is it a wise idea:P i want it to run well
[10:53:16] <Arclyte> ok good to know
[10:53:43] <trochej> Arclyte: Anyway, it's not a problem of OS itself, just of people writing drivers
[10:53:53] <trochej> Arclyte: It is like Linux back in nineties
[10:54:04] <trochej> Windows could run everything and Linux only tenth of it
[10:54:11] <Arclyte> ah yeah right
[10:54:18] <Arclyte> i remember those days haha
[10:55:04] <tsoome> i dont really think its good idea to have all that crap hw to be supported
[10:55:39] <e^ipi> tsoome: but what if you /have/ an ISA serial card kicking around?
[10:55:41] <tsoome> most of stability issues with windows is not related to software, but hardware
[10:55:56] <tsoome> i dont have *any*  ISA
[10:56:00] <Arclyte> right, you get bloat and everything. no i dont plan to have much in this server im just concerned about mobo compatibility and cpu but it sounds like thats  not a big deal
[10:56:41] <tsoome> bloat by itself is really not bad - if it means we have support for wide range of good quality hardware
[10:57:09] <tsoome> but the thing is, most of PC harwrare is just crap
[10:57:18] <tsoome> hardware*
[10:57:27] <trochej> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blbv4WFriM&feature=related
[10:57:28] <trochej> ROTFL
[10:59:53] <Arclyte> what hardware are you a fan of tsoome?
[11:00:03] <tsoome> good hw:D
[11:00:24] <Arclyte> like? :P apple?
[11:00:50] <tsoome> i have macbook pro as desktop and using some sun hw for servers
[11:01:26] <Arclyte> thats nice, the sun hw is expensive though from what ive seen
[11:01:29] <Arclyte> but very sexy
[11:01:31] <tsoome> well, that laptop aint exactly the best hw around, but it works
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[11:01:44] <e^ipi> t1000 is $3000
[11:01:50] <tsoome> sun hw is not more expensive than any other
[11:02:45] <tsoome> but if you compare some crap low end pc server with midrange/high sun, then obviously you see the price difference:D
[11:02:47] <Arclyte> ah, i didnt wanna say it was all expensive because i didnt know if they had some kind of refurb or student program haha
[11:03:30] <tsoome> it is more corrent to say you wont find really cheap end user oriented hardware from sun
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[11:04:15] <Arclyte> right
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[11:11:43] <e^ipi> you can get wicked discounts on stuff though for various reasons
[11:11:47] <e^ipi> startup essentials, etc
[11:11:59] <e^ipi> SE had some stuff @ 40% off IIRC
[11:12:15] <Arclyte> hrmm
[11:12:20] <Arclyte> have to keep an eye out
[11:12:48] <Andys^> not here in australia
[11:12:55] <Andys^> apparently companies don't start up in australia.
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[11:13:46] <Arclyte> so one more question before i head out. once i get the OS server setup ill want to run it headless.. does OS have a remote desktop protocol so I can use a client on my windows machine to administer the OS server? and do you have any app you could recommend for that
[11:14:16] <e^ipi> kangaroos and giant spiders with deadly venom tend not to have longevity in their business enterprises
[11:14:19] <Stric> VNC, ssh
[11:14:24] <e^ipi> ssh
[11:14:35] <Arclyte> oh ok easy enough
[11:14:39] <e^ipi> and you can use putty to connect to ssh from windows
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[11:15:34] <Arclyte> ah tried and true putty, k was just curious if there was anything new that came along
[11:15:51] <Stric> it does the job quite well
[11:15:54] <e^ipi> SUA/SFU has a terminal
[11:16:03] <Stric> and cygwin if you want
[11:16:09] <e^ipi> or cygwin, which is awful
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[11:16:13] <Stric> yep
[11:16:41] <Arclyte> anything thats a gui remote desktop
[11:17:00] <e^ipi> to do what with?
[11:17:26] <Arclyte> if i just wanna click around in OS and explore it
[11:17:34] <Arclyte> nothing specific
[11:17:37] <e^ipi> clicking isn't going to help you explore anything
[11:17:46] <Arclyte> i just wanna avoid leaving my other monitor hooked up to it to do that
[11:17:47] * Stric clicks on e^ipi
[11:17:50] <Arclyte> oh ok :P
[11:17:51] <Arclyte> lol
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[11:18:05] <e^ipi> clicking gets you to a terminal
[11:18:13] <Stric> don't remember if vnc server is included
[11:18:32] <e^ipi> *shrug* maybe
[11:18:46] <Arclyte> i remember seeing some screenshot of OS and it looked very ubuntuish, it had the 4 virtual desktops and all that
[11:18:54] <e^ipi> yeah *shrug*
[11:18:59] <e^ipi> you can use it as a workstation
[11:19:14] <e^ipi> it's exactly like any other X11 based workstation
[11:19:23] <mortas> vncserver is included by default
[11:19:23] <Arclyte> ah thats what it was
[11:19:24] <e^ipi> freebsd, linux, whatever
[11:19:51] <e^ipi> if you've played with GNOME on one OS, you've played with GNOME on all OS'es
[11:20:06] <e^ipi> the real interesting stuff doesn't have any GUIness
[11:20:33] <Arclyte> alright
[11:21:00] <Arclyte> didnt know if it had some unique stuff as a workstation
[11:21:06] <Arclyte> pretty standard then
[11:21:37] <Arclyte> well thanks everyone for the help :) i appreciate it. have a good night or morning or whatever it is where you are
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[12:09:18] <kokoko1> hi guys
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[12:10:08] <kokoko1> in solaris 10 where to create resolv.conf ?
[12:10:26] <kokoko1> in /etc or  /etc/inet/ ?
[12:10:27] <jmcp> in /etc, just like any other release of Solaris
[12:11:42] <kokoko1> thanks jmcp
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[12:30:40] <jsoft> :)
[12:30:50] <jsoft> sweet.
[12:31:21] <jsoft> Finally got open solaris isntalled, upgraded to dev, and so its time to waste the night on youtube and such :)
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[12:38:01] <kokoko1> jmcp, how to read mail for root
[12:38:08] <kokoko1> i always see message ...
[12:38:15] <kokoko1> You have new mail in /var/mail/root
[12:38:32] <kokoko1> mail command do nothing
[12:38:44] <kokoko1>  mail
[12:38:44] <kokoko1> mail: Too many letters, overflowing letters concatenated
[12:38:46] <jsoft> How would I figure out why my sb-live is not working?
[12:39:05] <jmcp> kokoko1: try this::   su - root -c ' mailx'
[12:39:21] <kokoko1> jmcp, i am already root
[12:39:33] <kokoko1> mailx also do nothing...
[12:39:51] <kokoko1> just waiting
[12:40:12] <jmcp> did you "su" or "su -" ?
[12:40:17] <kokoko1> su -
[12:40:40] <kokoko1> jmcp, i duno its matter or not but apparently echo $EDITOR do not show anything
[12:40:51] <kokoko1> jmcp, oh
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[12:40:57] <jmcp> which means that the variable EDITOR has not been set in your environment
[12:41:02] <kokoko1> now mailx showing the mails i just have to wait a bit
[12:41:09] <kokoko1> yes
[12:41:22] <kokoko1> crontab -e also do not let me edit crontab for root
[12:41:26] <jmcp> perhaps there are a lot of them
[12:41:28] <kokoko1> i htinks its bcoz editor is not set?
[12:41:35] <jmcp> that might be an issue, yes
[12:41:44] <jmcp> I generally run    EDITOR=vi crontab -e
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[12:44:08] <kokoko1> for me this do nothign either see...
[12:44:11] <kokoko1> EDITOR=vi
[12:44:11] <kokoko1> 333
[12:44:36] <kokoko1> i do not thinks its good idea to do ...
[12:44:38] <kokoko1> vi /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root
[12:44:47] <jsoft> hmmm
[12:44:47] <jmcp> correct, that is not a good idea
[12:44:59] <jsoft> no emacs packages
[12:45:00] <jsoft> :(
[12:45:10] <jmcp> kokoko1: perhaps you could follow my example more closely
[12:45:13] <kokoko1> echo $EDITOR
[12:45:14] <kokoko1> vi
[12:45:22] <jmcp> kokoko1: also, you should read your shell manpage on environment variables
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[12:48:40] <kokoko1> jmcp, EDITOR=vi crontab -e works :)
[12:48:51] <jmcp> yes
[12:48:53] <kokoko1> before i <enter> after EDITOR=vi
[12:49:00] <jmcp> yeah
[12:49:12] <jmcp> now, go and read your shell's manpage about environment variables
[12:49:14] <kokoko1> but need to set the editor variable
[12:49:30] <jmcp> so...     EDITOR=vi ; export EDITOR
[12:49:43] <jmcp> which works for traditional Bourne Shell, Korn Shell, and BASH
[12:49:50] <kokoko1> jmcp, i have already set few env. varialbles for manpath and /opt/csw/bin to use blastwave.org
[12:50:20] <kokoko1> yeap true this is woken too
[12:50:45] <kokoko1> ok here it go into .profile :)
[12:50:48] <kokoko1> thanks mate
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[12:51:19] <jmcp> yw
[12:52:58] <kokoko1> jmcp, do u use blastwave repository with solaris?
[12:53:02] <jmcp> no
[12:53:16] <kokoko1> you do not need any GNU utilities?
[12:53:26] <jmcp> I use Solaris Express Community Edition, and by end of March I will be using OpenSolaris
[12:53:27] <kokoko1> eg screen, top, wget etc/
[12:53:33] <jmcp> blastwave is not the only location for GNU utils
[12:53:41] <jmcp> wget is integrated with Solaris
[12:53:44] <jmcp> screen .. never used it
[12:53:49] <jmcp> top --> use prstat instead
[12:53:56] <jmcp> also, look in /usr/gnu/bin
[12:53:58] <jmcp> and /usr/sfw/bin
[12:54:02] <trygvis> screen is actually integrated now
[12:54:07] * jmcp shrugs
[12:54:13] <jmcp> irrelevant to me, since I never use it
[12:54:33] <kokoko1> trygvis, integrated with solaris or opensolaris?
[12:54:50] <trygvis> sxce and opensolaris afaik
[12:54:55] <kokoko1> oki
[12:55:04] <kokoko1> well i can't live without gnu screen
[12:55:08] <kokoko1> its me btw
[12:55:32] <kokoko1> now looking for gnu stat, coz didn't find the stat command in solaris
[12:57:42] <kokoko1> ops look like i have to add /usr/sfw/bin to my PATH
[12:57:52] <kokoko1> it contains wget and other cool things
[12:58:05] <PerterB> fascinating
[12:58:32] <kokoko1> jmcp, thanks for the tip
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[12:58:39] <kokoko1> but i do not have /usr/gnu/bin
[13:00:00] <jmcp> kokoko1: you mentioned you were running Solaris 10
[13:00:06] <CIA-40> Jack Meng <Jack.Meng at Sun dot COM>: 6801126 libima should get over pkginfo love
[13:00:13] <jmcp> most people here are running some form of OpenSolaris or Solaris Express
[13:00:16] <jmcp> which does have /usr/gnu/bin
[13:01:04] <kokoko1> okay
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[13:26:20] <Pietro_S> what is irc room for IPS?
[13:26:38] <codestr0m> Pietro_S: #pkg5
[13:26:56] <Pietro_S> codestr0m: thanks
[13:27:26] <codestr0m> Pietro_S: hahahaha.. you thought I was being helpful
[13:27:34] <codestr0m> I'm just setting you up ;)
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[14:16:55] <sfuentes> is there a way to assign a folder to two different groups?
[14:17:14] <sfuentes> or do i have to create a super/parent group?
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[14:20:44] <jamesd> sfuentes, zfs can do that...  and remotely  nfsv4 does it on supported filesysrems over the the network
[14:22:13] <DerSaidin> check out ACLs
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[14:24:59] <sfuentes> cool. thanks guys
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[14:33:01] <_burzum_> HI
[14:33:08] <_burzum_> is opensolaris.org
[14:33:10] <_burzum_> offline
[14:33:10] <_burzum_> ?
[14:33:40] <_burzum_> heh not anymore
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[15:11:40] <flyingparchment> what solaris 10 update introduced SUNWpostrun?
[15:11:47] <flyingparchment> (seems it's not in U4...)
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[15:16:40] <ruse39_> can I update OS2008.11 to exactly 107 build ?
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[15:48:33] <Pietro_S> why when I connect somether with ssh, some gnome window popup asking me on password for Keys storage, ahen I type it, ssh will ask me on password as well for the private key ... Is there any method to add this key to gnome-keyring (or how it's called?) to do not type 2 passwords?
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[15:48:57] <Pietro_S> I didn't find any configuration for that stuff in the menu, neither on disk
[15:49:29] <trygvis> I think ssh-add will add it to the keyring
[15:49:41] <trygvis> or you have to open the keyring manager and add it by hand, can't remember
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[15:56:27] <Pietro_S> I tried ssh-add, looks like it did something, but to test it I would need to relogin, which I don't like much as I'm corrently porting Xfce 4.6 and don't want to close all terminals ;-)
[15:56:39] <Pietro_S> trygvis: thanks for tip
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[15:56:48] <flyingparchment> if you log out and in again, it will undo your ssh-add
[15:57:36] <kimc> trying to setup a fibre card for ip over fc but when i plumb the interface it returns: DLPI link does not exist
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[15:58:08] <Pietro_S> flyingparchment: how to make it permanent?
[15:58:38] <kimc> isnt there a command which is run when a new piece of hardware is added
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[16:00:29] <kimc> i can see in /dev/fc fp0
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[16:05:29] <kimc> do i need to say: touch /reconfigure and reboot the machine?
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[16:06:38] <tsoome> man devfsadm
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[16:07:11] <kimc> ok thanks
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[16:14:04] <Mikey12> is opensolaris.org down ?
[16:14:24] <Mikey12> Really slow actually
[16:14:35] <kimc> hmm.. looks like the device is fcip0
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[16:18:11] <kimc> looks like i've just got this working after 2 weeks :) yay
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[16:18:48] <kimc> now if i just had another machine setup to plug into the fibre switch to test with
[16:19:21] <kimc> i took benr's advice from one of his blogs about getting some fibre stuff to play around with off ebay
[16:20:17] <kimc> so i've got a Brocade 2gb fibre switch some Emulex and Qlogic cards
[16:20:39] <kimc> and some fibre cables from Graybar across town..
[16:21:30] <kimc> the Brocade sounds like its going to take off :) lots of fans..
[16:21:39] <Mikey12> i am configuring zones using this tutorial,
[16:21:41] <Mikey12> http://wikis.sun.com/display/chosug/Installing+a+Linux+Zone
[16:22:05] <Mikey12> i am downloading a 400 MB centos install, can I install Fedora if I have dvd to a zone ?
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[16:24:41] <Mikey12> where can I find a smaller linux 2.6 installation for zone to run skype ?
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[16:27:27] <jbit> i use wine for skype on solaris
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[16:28:27] <Mikey12> jbit: does it work well ?, sound webcam, mic and all ?
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[16:28:53] <jbit> only used it a couple of times a while ago, but iirc soudn worked fine
[16:29:03] <Mikey12> oh..cool
[16:29:15] <Mikey12> you installed wine from blastwave ?
[16:29:28] <jbit> do branded linux zones even support sound/video cameras/etc?
[16:29:40] <Mikey12> audio yes, camera not sure
[16:30:24] <jbit> i'm not sure about cameras in wine either, but i'd imagine it could work...... but have no idea if it would in solaris
[16:30:55] <trichobezoar> you can toss in your raw usb device, so why not
[16:30:58] <Mikey12> jbit: we can atleast see the other guys webcam right ?
[16:31:17] <jbit> Mikey12: yeah that should be possible
[16:31:24] <Mikey12> okay
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[16:44:13] <CosmicDJ> I hope this bnitz guy fixes his connection problems soon...
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[16:45:30] <jamesd> if bnitz  drops again in the next 10 minutes, he will have to ask to be unbanned. to get back in
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[16:46:56] <nachox> it's not like there is a lot happening anyway
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[16:47:45] <jamesd> i'm sure any of the ops will un-ban his as soon as he gets his conection fixed.
[16:48:22] <CosmicDJ> nachox: it still sucks when you see this all day
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[16:49:23] <nachox> it does, i agree, but it would be unacceptable when there were discussions going on...
[16:49:59] <CosmicDJ> if there were, I wouldn't see them because my screen is flooded with his joins/quits ;)
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[16:51:00] <jbit> imho its worse when nothing is going on, since as CosmicDJ said you could miss somebody asking a question
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[16:53:22] <nachox> most chat clients mark the channel using a different color when there is actual real things happening
[16:53:51] <nachox> xchat does at least
[16:54:32] <CosmicDJ> anyone going to CeBIT next week? quite interesting what sun's showing there http://de.sun.com/sunnews/events/2009/mar/cebit/
[16:58:15] <jsoftw> Any suggestiosn on some kind of lisp package for opensolaris?
[16:58:22] <jsoftw> Cant seem to find any in the repos
[16:58:42] <tsoome> emacs lisp?:)
[16:58:58] <CosmicDJ> hehe that's just what I thought ;)
[16:59:01] <jsoftw> :)
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[16:59:21] <jsoftw> I already have emacs. I want to learn sbcl or some uch
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[17:00:13] <webmink_> CosmicDJ:  I'm speaking at CeBIT on Wednesday, http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/see_you_at_cebit
[17:00:44] <CosmicDJ> for the first and last time? ;)
[17:01:01] <webmink_> I've spoken there twice before
[17:01:21] <CosmicDJ> so your new preference is "twice"? ;)
[17:01:29] <CosmicDJ> uhm
[17:01:35] <CosmicDJ> what's after twice?
[17:01:38] <webmink_> I've been going to CeBIT ever since 1993 and always vow never to go again...
[17:01:49] <CosmicDJ> I see
[17:02:03] <jsoftw> why?
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[17:02:38] <webmink_> CeBIT is an exhibition, not a conference. The conference sessions are tacked on as an afterthought
[17:03:15] <webmink_> the place is absolutely, unreasonably huge, so being there is exhausting both as a visitor and as staff
[17:03:40] <webmink_> and Hannover is really not equipped to have so many visitors so hotels are always full, meaning travel in from a long way away is needed
[17:04:06] <webmink_> Add all those factors together and you get an exhausting, unsatisfying experience
[17:04:49] <webmink_> If you are in sales and marketing maybe it's perfect, but I'm not...4
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[17:07:32] <Mikey12> which package will have all the codecs, mp3, mpg, wma etc
[17:07:34] <CosmicDJ> what was the first wave of opens source?
[17:07:38] <Mikey12> from blastwave
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[17:08:37] <CosmicDJ> Mikey12: vlc plays a lot of "formats"
[17:08:47] <Mikey12> to get rythmbox working
[17:09:02] <Mikey12> I will install vlc as well, or is xmms available ?
[17:09:20] <Mikey12> 79 megs for xmms !
[17:09:29] <CosmicDJ> xmms? this winamp clone which refused to be ported to anything newer than gtk1?
[17:12:23] <CosmicDJ> webmink_: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22837/1090/
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[17:13:09] <webmink_> cosmicDJ: Yup, I'll be giving the same talk
[17:13:52] <webmink_> First wave was the pioneers; I specifically named Bill Joy and Richard Stallman
[17:13:55] <CosmicDJ> well the worst thing that could happen is, that you're boring some aussies ;)
[17:14:06] * nachox wonders when argentina will get another tech day...
[17:14:22] <webmink_> Second wave was the open source surge of the late 90s
[17:14:29] <webmink_> Third wave is the commercial invasion
[17:15:10] <webmink_> nachox: I have a hunch those have fallen into the "too expensive" category...
[17:15:11] <CosmicDJ> with companies like sun behind OSS?
[17:15:59] <webmink_> CosmicDJ: Well yes, but the overall situation is more complex as every company now wants to be seen as "behind OSS" even if they are actually trying to kill it
[17:16:18] <nachox> webmink_, bummer... well, i am not surprised
[17:16:41] <CosmicDJ> how can you kill OSS? I mean if the sources are avaiable...
[17:16:45] <webmink_> May be able to run a more inclusive event based on CommunityOne though
[17:18:08] <webmink_> CosmicDJ:  You can create a legal situation where it's just too dangerous to use, create a market context where business dare not use it, smear its reputation. You can't stop the second-wave enthusiasts but the companies invovled believe you can make them remain a niche group
[17:20:17] <webmink_> So for example Microsoft's lobbying groups CompTIA and ACT are busy trying to undermine EU work to promote use of OSS: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/27/1544221
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[17:31:34] <codestr0m> webmink_: Hi Simon
[17:31:49] * webmink_ waves
[17:32:19] <codestr0m> too bad didn't get a chance to meet up at FOSDEM I was around.. couldn't find you a couple times
[17:32:47] <webmink_> The Minky Pimpernel
[17:33:23] <CosmicDJ> hm intersting read, but I'm reading this "government xyz wants to migrate to linux" for years now...
[17:33:39] <codestr0m> webmink_: so can you leak any exciting projects that will soon be releasing any source?
[17:34:19] <vncsnvs> i'm downloading opensolaris
[17:34:27] <nachox> the last one was venezuela? :)
[17:34:34] <vncsnvs> how i configure its network? eth0 is?
[17:34:38] <webmink_> CosmicDJ:  The problem they all have is their procurement policies prevent OSS delivering real benefits. Before we see large uptake they have to stop defining software as "something you buy a license for first"
[17:34:42] <vncsnvs> how i configure its network? eth0 is??
[17:35:24] <webmink_> codestr0m: I think we already liberated pretty much everything we can
[17:35:27] <CosmicDJ> vncsnvs: when you have a dhcp somewhere in your network and your nic is supported, it'll be configured automagically
[17:35:42] <vncsnvs> uhm...
[17:35:52] <vncsnvs> and if its not supported?
[17:36:00] <vncsnvs> how do i install it? if
[17:36:06] <CosmicDJ> guess what happens then...
[17:36:12] <codestr0m> webmink_: I'm still holding out for sun cc. .that's all cleared, but last rumor I heard was the internal scm needed to migrate and I forget what else
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[17:36:38] <vncsnvs> 35s left
[17:37:01] <vncsnvs> 10s left
[17:37:01] <CosmicDJ> vncsnvs: there's a device detection utility on the livecd, just start it, IIRC it runs on windows and from the livecd once booted
[17:37:19] <vncsnvs> nice
[17:37:20] <webmink_> codestr0m: I've lost track of that one I'm afraid. The business team has resisted going open for such a long time it's unreal.
[17:37:21] <nachox> webmink_, the only thing left is sun studio :)
[17:37:22] <vncsnvs> i'll try it now
[17:37:34] <vncsnvs> CosmicDJ: nice, thx i'll use it now.
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[17:37:47] <webmink_> nachox: Well, specifically certain compilers - most of Studio is open now
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[17:38:22] <nachox> yes, the compiler part i meant, the netbeans part has been open for a long while now
[17:38:36] <codestr0m> webmink_: business team resisting sun cc? hmm. interesting.. and I know most of it actually can't be opened like the optimization bits, but other parts would be a bit help..
[17:38:54] <webmink_> That's been a frustrating journey, I assure you
[17:38:55] <codestr0m> webmink_: it's open via being part of the NB liberation
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[17:39:13] <codestr0m> webmink_: yeah open source is a tough business model to sell
[17:39:33] <codestr0m> did you have the numbers in align to show greater adoption?
[17:39:38] <webmink_> Depends on whether you're already making money :-)
[17:39:58] <codestr0m> webmink_: ok. so that basically means sun cc was/is making money :)
[17:40:06] <webmink_> Adoption would increase butthere's no way to translate that into revenue as large as that already being generated
[17:40:11] <webmink_> Yes
[17:40:39] <webmink_> Most compiler users are reluctant to pay up for support subscriptions...
[17:40:47] <codestr0m> I love sun cc, but for my fully open work. I fear it will be voted to be dropped by others
[17:41:03] * webmink_ nods
[17:41:05] <codestr0m> webmink_: well. I almost bought a sub for our team, but the entitlement sucked
[17:41:21] <codestr0m> I was really disappointed in what exactly was being offered
[17:41:27] <flyingparchment> at least sun give you the compiler free.. HP's compiler is like $2000
[17:41:31] * webmink_ nods again
[17:41:33] <flyingparchment> (or a bit less for a 'development' license)
[17:41:48] <codestr0m> and I'd also like some of the red tape on access to the 12.1 EA removed so I/we can test
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[17:41:52] <webmink_> It's good to remember that Sun is like a coral reef
[17:41:59] * nachox things of opensource as a way to distribute developement costs, a precondition for any open source project to succeed is for other players to be able to profit from it which probably doesnt hold true for sun studio
[17:42:14] <webmink_> looks like a single entity from afar but if you study it you find it is made up of many individuals living seperately
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[17:42:34] <codestr0m> nachox: going open source costs sun more money afaik
[17:42:45] <webmink_> Certainly does
[17:42:55] <codestr0m> and the amount of significant external contributions is still low
[17:42:56] <nachox> in the short run, yes
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[17:43:16] <codestr0m> webmink_: speaking of that can you pm me maybe we can catch-up on some of my ideas I missed the chance at fosdem
[17:43:21] <codestr0m> nachox: it's bee how many years?
[17:43:25] <webmink_> Also in the long run if the business management won't switch from wanting control to wanting influence
[17:43:33] <nachox> in solaris' case, that would be because of the high barrier of entry, solaris is complex
[17:43:42] <codestr0m> nachox: not exactly
[17:43:47] <codestr0m> the sol code is the best documented
[17:43:51] <codestr0m> any developer can read it
[17:43:55] <codestr0m> certain parts a pita
[17:43:59] <codestr0m> svc for example
[17:44:03] <nachox> that doesnt mean it's not complex
[17:44:18] <johannes> nachox: depends on the part of "Solaris" I'd say - low level kernel stuff is suely complex, but some userlandstuff ...
[17:44:38] <flyingparchment> codestr0m: don't forget the bits that haven't been touched since C became a standard... looked at the acct source lately? ;)
[17:45:12] <CosmicDJ> well someone could start a little k&r to c99 conversation project ;)
[17:45:27] <hrist> little?
[17:45:34] <nachox> a lot of the userland code is part of other opensource project, think gnome, think X.org, those projects fully adopted the opensource model, lots of different (and competing) projects are profiting with them
[17:45:35] <flyingparchment> i tried, but you can't even convert it to C89 as is... it all kinds of weird struct passing
[17:45:52] <flyingparchment> (like it pass two different types of structs by value to the same function, and the function determines which struct it is based on the contents)
[17:46:19] <CosmicDJ> ok, thats ugly
[17:47:26] <CosmicDJ> hrist: well I saw some c99 commits on dragonflybsd, it's not like you have to reinvent the wheel for that...
[17:47:52] <CosmicDJ> (and I'm not talking about converting 3rd party software like gnome, X11, et)
[17:47:55] <CosmicDJ> c
[17:48:27] <codestr0m> alanc: have you been nominated for ogb yet? did you want to accept again?
[17:49:36] <flyingparchment> hmm, looks like someone made a token effort to clean up acct as part of the gcc project... but i'm not sure it's much of an improvement: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/acct/acctprc.c#157
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[17:53:57] <CosmicDJ> mh what's this? a home-grown tree implementation?
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[18:11:35] <nachox> ouch
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[18:17:06] <ipfw> ok, the transmission 1.42 that comes with b108 is core dumping
[18:17:37] * codestr0m is glad he didn't upgrade now
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[18:22:24] <ranks_> How can I tell if Update Manager is working.  I installed Opensolaris 2008.11 snv_101b_rc2 and I haven't seen any updates.  Have there been any ? or is my update manager broken ?
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[18:30:05] <codestr0m> ranks_: you have to add the dev authority and set it as a priority
[18:30:27] <codestr0m> if you don't have an explicit reason to update. I'd say don't
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[18:33:29] <ranks_> ok.  I'm new to opensolaris.  Been a Solaris admin for 10 years.  Thought it might be like linux with more frequent patches/updates.  Not sure of the release cycle/patch updates for a fairly stable system.  I don't want to be on bleeding edge, but want to keep up with security and new apps.  I'm not having any problems.
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[18:34:07] <flyingparchment> opensolaris is the bleeding edge.  use solaris 10 if you want stable/supported
[18:36:04] <CosmicDJ> opensolaris 2008.11 is also a supported product
[18:36:19] <flyingparchment> according to some ;)
[18:36:20] <CosmicDJ> release cycle is 6 month, so next release will be in april
[18:36:31] <flyingparchment> is it getting security updates yet?
[18:37:07] <ranks_> Thanks CosmicDJ, should update manager show the updates as available in april, or will I need to download a new iso ?
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[18:37:50] <CosmicDJ> flyingparchment: hm... no idea
[18:37:55] <CosmicDJ> I don't use it ;)
[18:39:13] <CosmicDJ> ranks_: AFAIK, some ppl upgraded from 2008.05 to 2008.11 without download an iso/reinstalling
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[18:40:59] <deftunix> hi all, i can to simulate a boot-archive corruption. How can i do it?
[18:41:12] <flyingparchment> delete the boot archive?
[18:41:23] <tsoome> make an copy and corrupt old one
[18:41:26] <Fullmoon> Ah nice, 108 :)
[18:41:30] <Fullmoon> Hopefully fixes zones
[18:41:35] <tsoome> so you can still use original if needed
[18:41:42] <deftunix> tsoome: thanks
[18:42:40] <ranks_> what is recomended way to upgrade ? I don't see lucreate,luupgrade.  I see beadm to replace lucreate, but what about luupgrade ?  Is that what update manager is for ?
[18:43:13] <deftunix> i'm studing boot archive management and recovery on x86 machine... exist some emulator of open boot promt?
[18:44:16] <jamesd> update? at home i just back up   /etc and /export home  the rest of the apps are on the zfs pool...  export the pool.. and reinstall... restore the goodies from /etc backup.. and reimport the pool done.
[18:45:10] <tsoome> ranks_: man beadm
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[18:47:07] <deftunix> is boot_archive the collection of kernel image and module plus system file if solaris load into memory during ramdisk boot phase?
[18:47:13] <deftunix> is it correct?
[18:49:49] <ranks_> Maybe i'm not getting it.  If so , I appologize.  In Solaris 10, to upgrade (which may install new pagackes as well as patches) I would luccreate, luupgrade, luactivate.  From the man page of beadm, beadm will create a new boot environment, but when a new release comes out (in april ?) how would you upgrade the new relase in the new boot environment, while preserving the old, to go back to ?  It is possible in Solaris 10, I would think
[18:49:49] <ranks_>  that opensolaris has similar capability, but not sure of the process.
[18:50:09] <flyingparchment> pkg image-update (or something; never used it)
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[18:54:27] <ranks_> thx flyingparchment, according to man page of pkg, I think that might be the ticket.
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[19:03:46] <trichobezoar> jamesd: does it make you wonder why sun bothers with upgrade at all...
[19:05:50] <jamesd> well for business.. i usually use the recomended patches... and upgrade to the latest stuff or close on new hardware
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[19:48:16] <cmihai>                                                                 [19:57]    |58            caches and other stuff.                                      [15:12]  |
[19:48:17] <cmihai>            or OpenSolaris 2008.11 @ http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/. For       |<trichobezoar> jamesd: does it make you wonder why sun bothers with upgrade at     |59 <aramdune> configurable branch prediction etc.                                   |
[19:49:15] <cmihai> Oops, stepped on the mouse :-). Sorry about that.
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[19:56:21] <deftunix> hi all, i've damaged the boot_archive for test with echo something >> /platform/i86pc/boot_archive and reboot the system
[19:56:29] <deftunix> for testing recovery procedure
[19:56:33] <e^ipi> that was stupid
[19:56:40] <deftunix> how can i create a new boot archive?
[19:56:43] <deftunix> is a virtual machine
[19:56:46] <flyingparchment> bootadm update-archive
[19:56:55] <flyingparchment> e^ipi: not if the point is to test what happens when you break the boot archive
[19:57:44] <deftunix> flyingparchment: bootadm update-archive don't work
[19:57:51] <flyingparchment> please be more vague
[19:59:53] <deftunix> flyingparchment: when i restart the system in failsafe i mount the root slice on /a. When i execute bootadm update-archive and reboot the system i've the same error: incorrect gunzip crc checksum
[20:00:08] <deftunix> flyingparchment: i need to create a from scratch boot_archive
[20:00:10] <flyingparchment> delete the broken one first
[20:00:26] <codestr0m> deftunix: google opensolaris rescue.. it may help
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[20:02:04] <deftunix> codestr0m: thank you very much
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[20:27:35] <_burzum_> Hi guys
[20:27:47] <_burzum_> I asked yesterday about my kbd layout
[20:28:03] <_burzum_> and the layout I want to use
[20:28:06] <_burzum_> is not supported
[20:28:14] <_burzum_> by XKB in Solaris
[20:28:36] <_burzum_> and in IIIM is supported the other standart of this Layout
[20:28:43] <_burzum_> so It is simply not supported
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[20:29:58] <_burzum_> those are the supported layouts
[20:30:00] <_burzum_> :/usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/keymap/sun$ ls
[20:30:01] <_burzum_> all  de  es  fi  fr  no  pl  ru  se  uk  us
[20:30:57] <_burzum_> so if you have any Ideas
[20:31:02] <_burzum_> who to contact
[20:31:20] <_burzum_> I probably will port the stuff needed myself
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[20:32:12] <hsp> _burzum_: http://blogs.sun.com/rennecke/entry/falsches_tatstaturlayout
[20:32:30] <_burzum_> hsp
[20:32:37] <_burzum_> I read all this stuff
[20:32:51] <_burzum_> I want to use bg layout
[20:33:03] <_burzum_> which is no avaible in Solaris
[20:33:06] <_burzum_> as you see
[20:33:41] <hsp> use setxkbmap bg
[20:34:47] <_burzum_> hsp
[20:34:50] <tsoome> _burzum_: those are only layouts for sun manufactured keyboards, not pc keyboards
[20:34:52] <_burzum_> it is not working
[20:34:58] <_burzum_> and it can not be working
[20:35:03] <_burzum_> becouse of the missing layout
[20:35:05] <hsp> hmmm
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[20:35:23] <_burzum_> it fall back to us
[20:35:26] <_burzum_> everytime
[20:35:26] <tsoome> look into /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/keymap
[20:36:27] <_burzum_> thats in this dir
[20:36:28] <_burzum_> amiga  ataritt	digital  macintosh  README  sgi  sony  sun  xfree86  xfree98
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[20:38:08] <tsoome> try xfree86/bg instead of plain bg
[20:38:27] <tsoome> this layout is described in xfree86
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[20:39:05] <_burzum_> setxkbmap xfree86/bg
[20:39:05] <_burzum_> Error loading new keyboard description
[20:39:10] <_burzum_> I gt this error
[20:39:40] <tsoome> hm, keymap.dir refers as xfree86(bg)
[20:40:22] <_burzum_> I'll edit it in my xorg
[20:41:17] <_burzum_> so I am going to kill X
[20:41:35] <tsoome> hm, there is a line in xkbtable.map:
[20:41:47] <tsoome> xkbtable.map:6  260     -       sun_type6_euro_usb      bg      # Bulgarian6_usb
[20:41:49] <_burzum_> which line
[20:42:14] <_burzum_> what dose this mean
[20:42:28] <tsoome> but i have sxce (snv_108)
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[20:42:45] <_burzum_> I am using OS 2008.11
[20:42:52] <_burzum_> (the user version :))
[20:42:57] <tsoome> i have no idea whats there;)
[20:43:50] <_burzum_> 6  260   -  sun_type6_euro_usb   bg # Bulgarian6_usb
[20:43:53] <_burzum_> the same
[20:44:35] <_burzum_> do you expect this xfree86/bg
[20:44:39] <_burzum_> in xorg.conf
[20:44:40] <_burzum_> to work
[20:44:41] <_burzum_> if so
[20:44:45] <_burzum_> I will kill X
[20:44:53] <_burzum_> to test it
[20:44:57] <tsoome> or xfree86(bg)
[20:45:08] <tsoome> im not sure about the syntax really
[20:45:40] <_burzum_> so I will test it
[20:45:47] <_burzum_> but before I kill it
[20:46:06] <_burzum_> there is no gstream for monkeyaudio
[20:46:17] <_burzum_> and a lot of plugins are not avible for solaris
[20:46:23] <_burzum_> how do you get around this
[20:46:35] <_burzum_> also the vlc player in blastwave is very old
[20:46:43] <_burzum_> and lifewithsolaris
[20:46:44] <_burzum_> is offline
[20:46:55] <tsoome> no idea, i dont use it as desktop really
[20:47:01] <_burzum_> :)
[20:47:26] <tsoome> cant be arsed to invent the wheel if there is macos....:P
[20:47:39] <_burzum_> I use MacOs also
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[20:47:40] <_burzum_> :)
[20:47:51] <_burzum_> but this is my new COmputer
[20:47:57] <_burzum_> and wanted to test some stuff
[20:48:32] <_burzum_> so I am killing X :D
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[21:17:10] <_burzum_> It was hell
[21:17:25] <_burzum_> my keyboard layout has changed to something
[21:17:39] <_burzum_> and the keys were shifted one or two to the left
[21:17:44] <_burzum_> and some were mixed up
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[21:26:06] <_burzum_> how hard is it to create a custom layout
[21:26:10] <_burzum_> for IIIM
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[21:32:39] <sickness> _burzum_: I don't know, but I surely know that IIIM is a PITA :/
[21:33:06] <_burzum_> PITA?
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[21:34:29] <sickness> pain in the ass
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[21:35:53] <_burzum_> :D
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[21:38:59] <_burzum_> good thing that there is virtual box
[21:39:00] <_burzum_> :D
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[21:39:51] <ipfw> anyone built transmission recently ?
[21:40:00] <hayeah> is there a way to disable antialiasing for emacs under opensolaris?
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[21:51:51] <e^ipi> ipfw: it's included
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[21:54:57] <ipfw> e^ipi:  I know, but the 1.42 in b108 keeps core dumping on me
[21:55:08] <ipfw> e^ipi:  looking to build 1.51 from source and try it
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[22:08:41] <ipfw> Assertion failed: session->events != NULL, file trevent.c, line 357
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[22:18:02] <_Lewellyn> hm. 108 has a system beep. not sure i like that :P
[22:18:22] <_Lewellyn> and it fixes my low sound volume. nice combination ;)
[22:20:10] <flyingparchment> maybe you just couldn't hear the beep before
[22:20:51] <_Lewellyn> perhaps
[22:20:51] <CoolMa> Hi All there
[22:21:12] <_Lewellyn> but it was only like 25% quieter than it should have been. so i shoulda heard *something* if it was there in 106
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[22:30:16] <flyingparchment> hmm
[22:30:26] <flyingparchment> just opened a support case with Zeus... so much easier than sun
[22:30:42] <flyingparchment> give account number, describe problem, get solution.  none of this messing about with which country to call and blah blah
[22:31:33] <CoolMa> My svc:/system/filesystem/zfs/auto-snapshot:frequent is going to maintenance, timeslider is disabled
[22:31:43] <CoolMa> according to log file the "dataset is busy, no snapshots were created"
[22:31:44] <CoolMa> I cannot figure out what dataset is busy. Any suggestion?
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[22:32:21] <ipfw> had to adjust ulimit for transmission, where are the defaults, or how do I make my changes stick ?
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[22:41:27] <strato_> hmm
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[22:42:49] <_Lewellyn> hum...
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[22:51:23] <jamesd>  how easy is sun messaging server to setup?
[22:53:36] <_Lewellyn> fairly?
[22:54:20] <jamesd> i want something i dont have to think about.. install and get email for home use... pop and imap, don't want to deal with configuring 20 files..
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[22:57:13] <_Lewellyn> jamesd: i outsourced my email to windows live :P
[22:58:28] <jamesd> yeah for all that i might as well put linux in a xen host... and use something there, but i would rather not.. xen has been a pain getting everything restarted after a reboot, and i have a dual athlon with 6GB of ram essentially idle doing fileserver duty allready.
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[23:00:31] <_Lewellyn> well, there were definite advantages to me outsourcing my mail: 1) no on-site server; 2) i don't have to do any maintenance; 3) good spam catching; 4) pop/smtp; 5) pretty good webmail; 6) push to my phone; 7) good windows mail client; 8) good tech support...
[23:00:52] <_Lewellyn> the downside is that unixland still has no good http mail mechanisms, so pop is the only choice :(
[23:01:24] <_Lewellyn> every user gets a msn messenger address, too. that's important! ;)
[23:02:13] <wereHamster> you know that you don't need to have a msn account to get a msn messenger address, right?
[23:02:39] <TomJ> Horde is OK for http mail
[23:02:45] <_Lewellyn> wereHamster: but that's less than automatic :)
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[23:03:04] <_Lewellyn> TomJ: so it will check my hotmail these days? interesting. but i thought horde was web-based.
[23:03:13] <ipfw> jamesd:   set rlim_fd_cur=8192 set rlim_fd_max=65536 in /etc/system seem to be the way to set global default ulimits ?
[23:03:29] <TomJ> _Lewellyn: oh. I thought you meant there is no UNIX webmail system, not that you wanted to check a webmail from unix
[23:03:44] <_Lewellyn> TomJ: httpmail == lycos, ms, etc. :P
[23:04:00] <ipfw> jamesd:  just had transmission crap out on me, and ulimit -a showed  open files at only 256
[23:04:05] <_Lewellyn> it's not necessarily "webmail"
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[23:06:39] <jamesd> this isn't rocket science just a small email server...  i wish sun would do somethnig like it did with coolthreads.. install, and enable done..
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[23:07:58] <ry_laptop> if a landlord is upidy about a cat... that's kinda scary
[23:08:04] <ry_laptop> oops wrong channel... shit
[23:08:07] <ry_laptop> :)
[23:10:34] <_Lewellyn> oh neat. httpmail extension for thunderbird
[23:10:43] <_Lewellyn> time to add 40 email accounts to my thunderbird :D
[23:10:48] <_Lewellyn> and hello ry :)
[23:10:53] <ry_laptop> Yo
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[23:11:20] <ry_laptop> I walked to the book store to flip through the $70 solaris internals book. looks good, going ot order it online for 30 now :)
[23:11:31] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: order me one since i saved you money ;)
[23:11:43] <ry_laptop> hahah
[23:11:52] <ry_laptop> but you prevented me from getting a kindle...
[23:11:53] <ry_laptop> so..
[23:11:56] <ry_laptop> I"m on the fence.
[23:12:04] <_Lewellyn> no, i'm making you wait till v3 :)
[23:12:14] <ry_laptop> true
[23:12:19] <ry_laptop> the sony reader is technically better anyway
[23:12:21] <ry_laptop> but... it's sony
[23:12:39] <_Lewellyn> there's a no-name one i want from russia
[23:12:47] <ry_laptop> no name?
[23:12:48] <_Lewellyn> it's like $100
[23:12:49] <ry_laptop> oh
[23:12:52] <ry_laptop> yeah.
[23:12:52] <hotaru2k3> what's better about the sony reader?
[23:12:56] <ry_laptop> faster
[23:13:00] <ry_laptop> bigger display
[23:13:02] <ry_laptop> etc...
[23:13:17] <_Lewellyn> but it's WAY fast, has good fonts, huge display, very thin, excellent battery life, adjustable backlight, etc.
[23:13:23] <_Lewellyn> (the one i want)
[23:13:32] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[23:13:43] <ry_laptop> yeah. hopefully an even BETTER display comes to laptops
[23:13:48] <ry_laptop> then I'll just get another tablet.
[23:13:56] <_Lewellyn> i'm going to scour chinatown this week to see if they have any good book readers
[23:14:06] <ry_laptop> Heh
[23:14:11] <ry_laptop> are there actually deals in china town?
[23:14:11] <hotaru2k3> don't both have 6" screens?
[23:14:17] <_Lewellyn> oh ry. you're going ot hte seminar on the 12th?
[23:14:24] <jamesd> why doesn't adobe make a reader.. they have all the software.. and could do some extra magic they have the adobe reader source..
[23:14:25] <_Lewellyn> and there's deals if you know people :)
[23:14:28] <ry_laptop> hotaru2k3:  maybe when I saw the sony one in the store it looked bigger.
[23:14:40] <ry_laptop> I don't like the "lock in" with amazon.
[23:14:50] <ry_laptop> I'd actually like to get the physical book AND the electronic version.
[23:14:52] <_Lewellyn> the evdo on the kindle is nice tho
[23:15:06] <ry_laptop> pheh, if it had wifi that would be good enough
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[23:15:16] <ry_laptop> I could then use my phone as a wifi hotspot :)
[23:15:23] <_Lewellyn> heh
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[23:19:45] <tomww> joikuspot on kindle... :-)
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[23:22:43] <ry_laptop> rumor is kindle has a 8x11" kindle q2? or second quarter? that's the one to get.
[23:23:00] <ry_laptop> then, you just put linux on it ( or opensolaris ;) ) when it gets old.
[23:26:15] <_Lewellyn> s/when .*$//
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[23:26:33] <_Lewellyn> if it's cheap, and has wifi & evdo, it'd be a neat little thing to carry around :)
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[23:39:15] <ry_laptop> lewellyn: I agree. save it can't be used for custom stuff...
[23:39:41] <ry_laptop> I think that will change.. if you can get an eeepc for a few hundred, it seems paying nearly 400 for a kindle i sjust obscene.
[23:40:54] <e^ipi> dell mini9 is $250
[23:41:31] <ry_laptop> how much is the asus these days?
[23:41:40] <ry_laptop> I'll never personaly buy a dell again.
[23:41:51] <ry_laptop> the type of cooling fans they use irritate my ears.
[23:42:00] <e^ipi> 300
[23:42:11] <ry_laptop> thinkpads are the only way to fly...
[23:42:18] <ry_laptop> lenovo :(
[23:42:34] <_burzum_> or a mba
[23:42:38] <_burzum_> :)
[23:42:38] <ry_laptop> mba?
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[23:42:42] <_burzum_> mac book air
[23:42:43] <flyingparchment> macbook air
[23:42:44] <ry_laptop> ah :0
[23:42:46] <ry_laptop> er :)
[23:42:51] <ry_laptop> I wish they had a higher than 900 vertical res.
[23:43:00] <flyingparchment> not sure why you'd spend 2x the going rate for one of those and install solaris on it, though
[23:43:05] <ry_laptop> heh.
[23:43:09] <ry_laptop> I'd run solaris in a vm.
[23:43:32] <_burzum_> I run 98,xp,vista,ubunut,fbsd,
[23:43:33] <_burzum_> in vm
[23:43:34] <_burzum_> :D
[23:43:37] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[23:43:49] <ry_laptop> I like having 1 base OS that has all drivers, that work without any tweaking.
[23:43:51] <flyingparchment> what, on your 73GB SSD or whatever it has?
[23:44:00] <ry_laptop> I tink solaris is actually VERY close to that,
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[23:44:23] <_burzum_>  prtconf | grep Memory
[23:44:24] <_burzum_> Memory size: 6077 Megabytes
[23:44:24] <ry_laptop> I think it's windows -> os X(on their hardware) -> solaris -> linux
[23:44:29] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: i'm happy with my toshiba, funnily enough :)
[23:44:34] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[23:44:40] <ry_laptop> I don't want to take a chance.
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[23:44:50] <ry_laptop> most dells I've owned, I can hear across the room.
[23:45:00] <_Lewellyn> it runs windows and solaris very well. and that's all i care about.
[23:45:09] <ry_laptop> their fans are whisper quiet but for some reason.. I think I having heraing that works in the higher ranges.
[23:45:13] <_burzum_> does somebody use
[23:45:16] <_burzum_> solaris as desktop
[23:45:18] <_burzum_> here
[23:45:33] <_Lewellyn> _burzum_: a few people do
[23:45:35] <ry_laptop> I got opensolaris running on my d630 (corperate :) ), x60 tablet, and a q6600 desktop
[23:45:46] <ry_laptop> all of 'em worked perfect, esp the desktop with nvidia 8800 gts
[23:45:58] <ry_laptop> the intel driver needed some tweaking.
[23:46:05] <ry_laptop> but I understand that will be cleared up soon.
[23:46:12] <_Lewellyn> i've not had to touch the intel driver
[23:46:13] <ry_laptop> and it worked perfect if you don't try using compiz
[23:46:21] <ry_laptop> I used compiz on all three machines.
[23:46:24] <_Lewellyn> xorg stopped crashing with wine with 108. that pleases me :)
[23:46:42] <_Lewellyn> however, now i know that the stuff i wanted to install won't work in wine. :(
[23:46:42] <ry_laptop> awesome, I'm about to upgrade b90 to b108
[23:46:47] <_Lewellyn> doo eet
[23:46:51] <_Lewellyn> or wait till 109
[23:46:57] <ry_laptop> can't wait.
[23:47:01] <_Lewellyn> 108 still has some x and cifs breakage, apparently.
[23:47:08] <ry_laptop> I don't use either for production
[23:47:15] <_Lewellyn> well then :D
[23:47:16] <ry_laptop> nfsv3,nfsv4. done
[23:47:33] <ry_laptop> and zfs send. which I understand has larger buffers now
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[23:51:15] <ipfw> ry_laptop:  SXCE I take it ?
[23:51:26] <ry_laptop> nope
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[23:51:36] <ry_laptop> for desktop I was using 2008.11 and did an update
[23:51:44] <ry_laptop> which updated to 106
[23:52:06] <_burzum_> <ry_laptop>
[23:52:10] <ry_laptop> _burzum_:
[23:52:13] <_burzum_> what media players are you using
[23:52:24] <ry_laptop> that's when I stopped
[23:52:30] <ry_laptop> too much work to play an mp3
[23:52:39] <ry_laptop> I would get songbird running if I had to go that route though
[23:52:42] <_burzum_> mp3 was very simple
[23:52:43] <e^ipi> download fluendo's codec... go
[23:52:45] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[23:52:48] <_Lewellyn> burzum: i use realplayer
[23:52:49] <_burzum_> but the  other stuff
[23:52:57] <_Lewellyn> for what i need, it works
[23:53:03] <ry_laptop> yeah but when you multiply a lot of simple things like that, it becomes a time consuming thing.
[23:53:08] <_Lewellyn> and songbird died on me and i didn't bother investigating.
[23:53:09] <_burzum_> IU realy want to play DVDs
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[23:53:14] <ry_laptop> *nod*
[23:53:18] <_burzum_> and such stuff
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[23:53:21] <_burzum_> I used vlc
[23:53:22] <_burzum_> on fbsd
[23:53:23] <_Lewellyn> burzum, pop the dvd in the drive and see what is suggested?
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[23:53:31] <_burzum_> yeha
[23:53:35] <_burzum_> I use mplayer now
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[23:53:41] <ry_laptop> To be honest.
[23:53:44] <_burzum_> but it is not so god as vlc
[23:53:56] <ry_laptop> if my current machine died. I would probably use opensolaris on the corperate d630 I have.
[23:54:11] <ry_laptop> and instead of spending $200 bucks on windows ultimate. I would get 8 gigs of ram and use virtualbox for everything.
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[23:54:24] <_burzum_> ry_laptop
[23:54:26] <_burzum_> I got 6
[23:54:26] <ry_laptop> a copy of XP in virtualbox for the win
[23:54:27] <_burzum_> :D
[23:54:31] <_burzum_> it is runningn fine
[23:54:32] <ry_laptop> *nod* nice huh? :)
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[23:54:39] <_burzum_> windows is faster in VM
[23:54:39] <ry_laptop> my desktop has 8 gigs, and I reallllly liked solaris on it
[23:55:00] <ry_laptop> I'd probably get an intel x25, in an external carrier and when I get home boot up my desktop with it :)
[23:55:12] <ry_laptop> I really hate the dell d630
[23:55:12] <_burzum_> or
[23:55:17] <_burzum_> 4 in RAID 5
[23:55:20] <ry_laptop> hah
[23:55:21] <_burzum_> in this nice
[23:55:26] <ry_laptop> that would be awesome.
[23:55:26] <_burzum_> 5,25" 4x Racks
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[23:55:42] <_burzum_> or 4 of those 4x SSD Racks
[23:55:50] <_burzum_> :D
[23:56:07] <_burzum_> with 2x XEONS
[23:56:14] <_burzum_> and 8GIG pro CPU
[23:56:18] <ry_laptop> I would probably have 2 drives taped together
[23:56:21] <ry_laptop> a 500 gig storage drive
[23:56:27] <ry_laptop> and an intel x25-m
[23:56:46] <_Lewellyn> heh. my dvds seem to automount and therefore don't play :D
[23:56:51] <ry_laptop> I like the idea of solaris as my next desktop as  won't be locked into an particular computer
[23:57:05] <ry_laptop> I could even go to a friends house and boot a spare computer up in a pinch.
[23:57:35] <_burzum_> I alredy trabsferd everything on solaris
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[23:57:47] <_burzum_> it will take a couple of hours
[23:57:52] <_burzum_> to switch to bsd
[23:57:55] <_burzum_> or some linux
[23:58:05] <_burzum_> becouse I am lazy
[23:58:06] <_Lewellyn> ry_laptop: nfs auto_home wins :)
[23:58:11] <_burzum_> I'll stick with solaris
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[23:58:33] <ry_laptop> heh
[23:58:41] <ry_laptop> nfs auto_home?
[23:58:59] <_Lewellyn> automounted homedirs
[23:59:12] <_Lewellyn> makes moving between systems oh so painless :)
[23:59:25] <ry_laptop> Oh.
[23:59:37] <ry_laptop> Yeah, I would use cifs/nfs for my virtual machines
[23:59:48] <ry_laptop> I would use non persistant images, unless I was doing something specific.
[23:59:54] <_burzum_> ry_laptop
[23:59:57] <_burzum_> thats cool

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