January 31, 2018 
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Inside those ovlumes you can have your filesystema nd data, encrypted.[15:30:41] <nikolam> Btw, transparent (per-dataset) OpenZFS encryption is in the works, expect it in the spring OpenZFS conference onwards . Datto uses it in production as I know.[15:31:01] <nikolam> But no full-disk enryption option for whole system encryptio on install as Iknow.[15:32:09] <nikolam> maybe if you install main system, then create zfs volume that is encrypted with lofiadm and then in aether kvm or VirtualBox you use that ZFS volume, aether as block device or exported via ISCSI[15:32:27] <nikolam> If it is virtualized, you can make it all encrypted then[15:33:36] <nikolam> Other way could be creating new ZFS pool on top of same lofiadm encrypted zfs volume, and give datasets under that new pool to some Solaris Zone (virtual environmet, light virtualization on top of OI)[15:33:54] <nikolam> (zoneadm, zonecfg etc)[15:34:35] <fcon> nikolam: gotchya, thanks a lot dude[15:35:08] <nikolam> default zone "brand" under OI is "linked image" maybe for encryped one, you would want one non linked (not to share data with global zone)[15:35:33] <nikolam> zone seems like the easiest one.[15:36:29] <fcon> yeah, i was hoping that OI had a zfs encrypted install like BSD or major Linux distros by now :([15:37:23] <nikolam> Seems like people don't actually catch to that, because you aether way, need to reas password form somewhere, before booting, so what's the point of having full--disk encryption anyway then.[15:37:55] <nikolam> It sounds to me like those BIOS passwords on old computer you needed to type before booting to the os.[15:39:06] <nikolam> on-disk hardware encryption on drive itself is another variation but it is similar[15:39:27] *** fcon_ <fcon_!~danilo@185.212.169.140> has joined #openindiana[15:39:28] <nikolam> I think per-dataset enryption on OpenZFS would be best once it land in illumos[15:40:07] <nikolam> You can ask someone on #illumos , does someone know, will it support booting from encypted datasets (that might be the solution you are looking for)[15:40:50] <nikolam> booting datasets can be compressed, deduplicated and all datasets can do , it it a reasonable question[15:41:05] <fcon_> hmmmm, so there's no way for the system to be compromised if someone boots using a livecd to access the disk?[15:41:20] <nikolam> It would require support from illumos loader (tsoome) and that would be it.[15:41:37] *** fcon is now known as Guest51652[15:42:04] <nikolam> you stop booting from livecd, by setting up BIOS/EFI options and setting passwordthere and setting what are your allowed boot devices. it is like, for every system the same[15:42:21] *** fcon_ is now known as fcon[15:42:28] *** fcon <fcon!~danilo@185.212.169.140> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:42:28] *** fcon <fcon!~danilo@fedora/fcon> has joined #openindiana[15:42:51] <nikolam> Plus you set some physical protection to machine, if no physically restricted, anyone can pull the HD off etc[15:42:53] *** Guest51652 <Guest51652!~danilo@fedora/fcon> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[15:43:35] <fcon> that's what i'm afraid of actually[15:43:51] <fcon> this fintech is worried that someones steals the hd the takes the data[15:45:01] <nikolam> dig into motherboard machine manual[15:45:04] <lennard> that till doesn't require boot/OS disks to be encrypted though, right?[15:45:07] <lennard> still*[15:45:49] <nikolam> also boot loaders (grub, illumos loader etc) need to have set a password, so one shouldn't be able to bypass booting options and log in as Root (like it is avaialbel by default upon installing Ubuntu...)[15:46:52] <nikolam> I set password in /boot/loader.conf , under password=[15:47:59] <nikolam> and after that one should bootadm update-archive[15:51:07] <nikolam> Patches for encryped zfs datasets are available, but still in the works for mainstream use. maybe working on loader support for it is the right move in that direction[15:51:25] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #openindiana[15:51:35] <fcon> thanks guys. i will try out a few scenarios you've mentioned here and share the results with you[15:52:23] <nikolam> lennard, usually it is ennough that boot media is signed and that is checked by UEFI. As far as I know only major supported and payed for Linux distros support checking of sighend kernels[15:53:19] *** phyre <phyre!~phyre___@188.208.100.249> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[15:53:27] <nikolam> For example Joyent Triton/SmartOS solves it by booting cloud head node from the read-only USB drive, so that Rootkits can't make it there.[15:53:49] <nikolam> sorry, fcon[15:54:36] <nikolam> ok fcon[15:55:04] *** fcon_ <fcon_!~danilo@185.212.169.140> has joined #openindiana[15:55:47] *** fcon_ <fcon_!~danilo@185.212.169.140> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:56:34] <xenol> the point of full disk encryption is to have what is say - fully encrypted disk. You are expected to provide a key on a usb stick or type in a passphrase or something for a reason.[15:56:49] <xenol> You don't want anybody to be able to decrypt the disk[15:57:29] <xenol> fcon: as of this moment, we don't have full disk encryption. You could try using things like veracrypt or truecrypt (that one has been abandoned though) and install OI in encrypted volume[15:57:49] <xenol> however, boot loader chainloading might be tricky part, but it should work[15:58:09] *** fcon <fcon!~danilo@fedora/fcon> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:01:09] <alarcher> xenol: I do not know if it is of any interest to you but I published icinga2 (https://www.icinga.com/products/icinga-2/) to xorg-testing, the component was contributed by Marianne. She uses it in production on two file servers it seems.[16:03:30] *** kohju <kohju!~kohju@gw.justplayer.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:09:49] *** kohju <kohju!~kohju@gw.justplayer.com> has joined #openindiana[16:23:07] *** georgn <georgn!~georgn@CPEa84e3fc72173-CMa84e3fc72170.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> has joined #openindiana[16:25:09] <xenol> alarcher: huh, we could move it to the main repository[16:25:32] <xenol> but I am not using icinga nor any nagios-related thing[16:26:31] *** sciguy16 <sciguy16!~david@unaffiliated/sciguy16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[16:26:38] *** sciguy16 <sciguy16!~david@sciguy16.pw> has joined #openindiana[16:26:38] *** sciguy16 <sciguy16!~david@sciguy16.pw> has quit IRC (Changing host)[16:26:38] *** sciguy16 <sciguy16!~david@unaffiliated/sciguy16> has joined #openindiana[16:27:10] *** georgn <georgn!~georgn@CPEa84e3fc72173-CMa84e3fc72170.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:33:40] *** polishdub <polishdub!~polishdub@208.93.128.118> has joined #openindiana[16:35:19] <alarcher> xenol: once we get sme feedback it can be moved to the repo. Marianne uses it in prod so actually we could merge it right away[16:36:45] <alarcher> xenol: I am teaching from 17 to 19, I'll be online afterwards[16:41:39] <xenol> cool[16:41:58] <xenol> I am on my way home to fix the cert, then going out for gym and will be back at around 8pm[16:44:19] <alp_> alarcher: firstly I want to look at code :)[16:47:37] <alarcher> alp_: alright[16:48:45] <alp_> great advantage of OI desktop - we have the last ESR firefox which doesn't have troubles with Java (IcedTea) plugin...[16:49:16] <alp_> perhaps, good idea to stick to it for a while or to have mediated version when we update[16:53:04] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:53:37] <alarcher> alp_: should I look at rust again after gcc6?[16:55:05] <alarcher> ... yesterday my Thinkpad cord made a weird sound and suddenly caught fire, it was fun...[16:55:37] <alarcher> now the question is: where can I find a replacement?[16:56:06] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #openindiana[17:01:21] <saint_dogbert> alarcher: Ebay[17:01:42] <saint_dogbert> amazon[17:01:44] <saint_dogbert> lenovo.com[17:01:47] <alarcher> saint_dogbert: then comes the beauty of living in Norway, that would be too easy :)[17:02:05] <alarcher> the additional constraint is: without paying crazy custom fees[17:02:06] <saint_dogbert> alarcher: Which model of thinkpad do you have?[17:02:07] <alarcher> :P[17:02:12] <alarcher> X230[17:04:05] <saint_dogbert> https://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Power-Adapter-Charger-for-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-X230i-Laptop-90w-/271270792889 15.99 USD plus 25% = ~20 USD[17:05:11] <alarcher> saint_dogbert: oh it is actually much cheaper than local retailers... thanks, I did not know shipping would be so cheap :)[17:05:21] <saint_dogbert> np :D[17:05:30] <saint_dogbert> Occasionally find some good deals on there :D[17:05:44] <alarcher> gotta go now, I am getting late for my own lecture :S :S :S[17:05:52] <saint_dogbert> :O[17:05:53] <alarcher> thanks![17:05:57] <saint_dogbert> see ya later :D[17:22:56] *** catalinbostan <catalinbostan!~catalinbo@mail.prosys.ro> has joined #openindiana[17:25:45] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!mnowak_@nat/suse/x-gejbhnlhnpnpunor> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:43:24] *** catalinbostan <catalinbostan!~catalinbo@mail.prosys.ro> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[17:44:33] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@13-113-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #openindiana[17:54:00] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~Ident@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:54:48] *** saint_dogbert <saint_dogbert!~Ident@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724> has joined #openindiana[17:56:37] *** Menzador <Menzador!17e25292@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.23.226.82.146> has joined #openindiana[18:07:17] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@176.212.32.36> has joined #openindiana[18:14:15] *** Menzador 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