February 4, 2018 
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I just needed to know that I'm on the right track.[16:58:19] <s3a> (And that I didn't type complete non-sense. :D)[16:58:55] <Vtec234[m]> Has anyone here investigated the effects of tesselation on really blocky models? Say you take a lara croft model from the early tomb raiders, after tesselating it do you think it would look better?[16:59:05] *** lucaswang <lucaswang!~lucaswang@218.1.232.28> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:59:53] <s3a> mangelis, So, does this involve learning about camera stuff?[17:00:12] <s3a> Or are there camera-less rotations?[17:00:24] <mangelis> s3a: not necessarily camera stuff but atleast rotations :)[17:00:44] <s3a> mangelis, Alright; thanks. :)[17:00:44] <Stragus> OpenGL doesn't know about cameras, you do the math you want[17:00:55] <Stragus> Usually with matrices[17:00:56] <mangelis> yup[17:01:48] <Yaniel> Vtec234: it'd probably look awkward[17:01:58] *** Groogy <Groogy!~Groogy@90-227-38-205-no61.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[17:02:03] <mangelis> Vtec234[m]: tesselation directly doesn't improve anything, polygons would just get split[17:02:58] <s3a> Stragus, mangelis, So, I have to somehow describe the vertices of the triangles that make up the faces of the cube as a matrix and then multiply that matrix by a rotation matrix?[17:03:10] <Vtec234[m]> I mean something like catmull-clark, it tends to smooth surfaces out[17:03:18] <Vtec234[m]> Yaniel: why do you think so?[17:03:43] <Stragus> s3a: No, no. You create a 3x3 or 4x4 rotation matrix and you multiply your vertices by it in the vertex shader[17:04:38] <Yaniel> Vtec234: know how stuff like FF9 had very exaggerated smooth surfaces in its cutscenes?[17:06:06] <s3a> Stragus, Actually, looking at what I'm trying to achieve as my end goal, I think I need to use a camera.[17:06:18] <Yaniel> it'd look something like that, except the control points are tuned for a lowpoly mesh consisting of only the control points, not for a subdivision surface generated from them[17:07:45] <Vtec234[m]> I see, I might still try it out, subjectively speaking very smooth surfaces are still nicer than blocky ones[17:09:39] <s3a> Stragus, (According to my teacher's instructions.)[17:09:42] <Yaniel> sure[17:10:15] <Yaniel> the smooth surfaces you get from a mesh meant for drawing as is just may be the stuff of nightmares[17:10:46] <Yaniel> but sometimes it might work really well[17:11:38] <Stragus> I wouldn't expect topologically correct watertight meshes for such old hand-optimized models[17:11:49] <Stragus> So any kind of automated smoothing will cause problems[17:12:12] *** nimitz <nimitz!~ztimin@24.157.180.57> has joined ##OpenGL[17:13:52] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-204-241.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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support anywhere on the wiki page[17:26:41] <watered> only standard versions and DX[17:27:59] <watered> ES is far less robust right?[17:31:02] <derhass> watered: no[17:31:11] <derhass> why should it be less "robust"?[17:31:15] *** RajRajRaj <RajRajRaj!uid72176@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-urmjtuotdcvyfpvb> has joined ##OpenGL[17:31:40] <watered> What abou opengl ES 3.0? would you compare that to opengl v3.3?[17:31:55] <watered> derhass: I read it somewhere , It's meant for embedded systems[17:33:26] <derhass> watered: why would you want less robustness in an embedded system?[17:35:36] *** prophile <prophile!~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:37:29] *** prophile <prophile!~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile> has joined ##OpenGL[17:39:05] *** [xyzzy] <[xyzzy]!~xyzzy@2600:8803:e400:d600:3bb0:d6c3:ff1e:ca43> has quit IRC (Quit: doed)[17:40:03] <watered> derhass: Honestly I read it on stackoverflow[17:40:13] <watered> What abou opengl ES 3.0? would you compare that to opengl v3.3?[17:40:27] *** [xyzzy] <[xyzzy]!~xyzzy@ip68-97-128-36.ok.ok.cox.net> has joined ##OpenGL[17:40:56] <derhass> watered: I'm not sure[17:41:44] <derhass> watered: https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL/extensions/ARB/ARB_ES3_compatibility.txt suggests that it might be close enough to GL3.x[17:41:52] <derhass> but I really don't know[17:42:05] *** prophile <prophile!~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:42:24] <derhass> and even if it is, this still does not say that you will find a driver that implements ES3.0 on that particular chip[17:43:58] <watered> oh[17:44:03] <watered> crap[17:44:16] *** prophile <prophile!~alynn@oftn/oswg-member/prophile> has joined ##OpenGL[17:44:55] <derhass> watered: what's the point of all this[17:45:31] <watered> To know if I can design games using godot 3[17:46:16] *** Murii <Murii!~Murii@79.113.205.114> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.4)[17:46:47] <chek> can you not target normal opengl with 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ES[17:56:46] <derhass> forget the internet[17:56:48] <watered> I'm happy now[17:56:54] <watered> mesa rocks[17:57:21] <derhass> glxinfo | grep ^Open[17:57:25] <watered> but wait, if they support ES 3, does that mean v4 should technically be possible?[17:57:51] *** s3a <s3a!~s3a@ip216-239-89-163.vif.net> has joined ##OpenGL[17:57:59] <derhass> watered: just run that damn command and see for yourself[17:58:53] <derhass> mesamatrix lists a lot of "gen7+" for GL 4.0, and I think HD 3000 is < gen7[17:58:56] <watered> man![17:59:11] <derhass> but I really can't remember that generation number bullshit[17:59:12] <watered> why didn't you say so in the beginning![17:59:17] <watered> It's listed there[17:59:19] <watered> nice[17:59:34] <watered> ah[17:59:37] <watered> nvm[17:59:44] <watered> godot works[18:00:00] <watered> just our of curiousity, what do you use opengl for?[18:00:07] <watered> dev?[18:00:28] <derhass> "stuff"[18:01:14] <chek> 3d rendering[18:08:18] *** upgrdman 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is so horrible[20:55:48] <Cooler> they don't have anything[20:56:00] <Yaniel> on the contrary, it has almost everything[20:56:06] <Yaniel> except a horrible UI[20:56:16] <Cooler> and they try to be hipster and change all the defaults and don't even have menus or buttons[20:56:21] <Cooler> or anything really[20:56:29] *** CocoFarmer <CocoFarmer!~delicado@110.54.178.11> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:56:40] <Cooler> right click doesn't even give you a context menu[20:57:08] <Yaniel> why would I want that[20:57:36] *** krychu <krychu!~krychu@136.117.192.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch> has joined ##OpenGL[20:57:42] <Yaniel> https://github.com/cmdrkotori/mpc-qt but if you can't stand the thought of it, there are some GUIs built around it[21:00:19] *** ratchet_freak <ratchet_freak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7ob3oun8gbtf98.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:00:40] *** krychu_ <krychu_!~krychu@2a02:120b:2c07:5880:42b:ed6c:ca6a:e522> has quit 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