February 2, 2018 
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has quit IRC (Quit: xaxxon)[08:46:53] *** Keniyal <Keniyal!~Keniyal@unaffiliated/keniyal> has joined ##OpenGL[08:47:10] *** lucaswang <lucaswang!~lucaswang@114.84.215.116> has joined ##OpenGL[09:00:04] *** notadeveloper <notadeveloper!~textual@2602:306:bd2a:a160:101a:24c7:47f5:42c> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[09:03:13] *** StuartW <StuartW!~stuart@cpc1-heme13-2-0-cust480.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[09:06:25] *** ville <ville!~ville@37-33-49-210.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[09:07:49] *** sirius_black9999 <sirius_black9999!4da4ddfb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.164.221.251> has joined ##OpenGL[09:10:51] <sirius_black9999> hi, i'm trying to do marching cubes in the fragment shader, and i'm trying to define the required lookup tables as const arrays (which i figured is similar to const static arrays in HLSL) but the linker fails because it's still trying to define it as a temporary array of length 4096 with the message "error: size of temp array must be integer"[09:12:05] *** nimitz <nimitz!~ztimin@24.157.180.57> has joined ##OpenGL[09:15:45] <sirius_black9999> as it stands i have two options: 1) do a bitwise merge of the values so that the array is of length 1024 and hope that does compile, then do bitwise operations to get the values back out at runtime and 2) transfer the whole thing over to C++ and manually upload it to a texture and have to do a texture lookup for each of the indices, neither of which are things i'd really like to do because i might have to run the algorithm[09:17:48] *** nimitz <nimitz!~ztimin@24.157.180.57> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:19:40] *** Keniyal <Keniyal!~Keniyal@unaffiliated/keniyal> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:19:48] <sirius_black9999> so i'd prefer a way to tell the compiler not to define the array as temporary[09:21:23] *** cfoch_ <cfoch_!uid270777@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ydmaujhmbsupnccq> has quit IRC 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<Cooler!~coolerext@42.109.187.91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[10:34:15] *** murii <murii!~murii@gw1.computervoice.ro> has joined ##OpenGL[10:36:51] *** neurre <neurre!~tsuoranta@62.209.167.43> has joined ##OpenGL[10:39:02] <neurre> hmm[10:39:18] <neurre> looks like glsl specs dont specify exact formatting of error messages :/[10:43:25] <exDM69> no they certainly don't[10:46:36] <sirius_black9999> i can't see if anyone replied to me because i had to travel to work (bad timing on my part :P)[10:48:43] <ratchetfreak> sirius_black9999: there is a log at https://echelog.com/logs/browse/opengl/[10:49:49] <sirius_black9999> ahhh right, just noticed it in the title, thanks[10:53:21] <exDM69> sirius_black9999: can you share your source code?[10:53:30] *** neurre <neurre!~tsuoranta@62.209.167.43> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[10:55:02] <davve> 48[10:58:22] <sirius_black9999> exDM69: well, the problem is quite obvious, "const int triTable[256][16] ="[10:58:47] <davve> just lay out your memory linearly[10:59:04] <davve> (it will do this linternally anyway, but with a weird order)[10:59:10] <davve> internally*[11:00:40] <exDM69> sirius_black9999: constant arrays in shaders are a bit buggy[11:00:43] <sirius_black9999> compiler does that for you, because the linker dumps the assembly which defines it as "temp lmem0[4096];"[11:01:03] <exDM69> sirius_black9999: in particular, I had issues with the apple shader compiler earlier[11:01:09] <sirius_black9999> and that's exactly the statement it fails on[11:01:26] <exDM69> this is what I've got in one of my shaders: const uint font[256] = uint[]( 0x1, 0x2, ... )[11:01:44] *** Gama11 <Gama11!~quassel@p5DCDBD39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined ##OpenGL[11:01:45] <sirius_black9999> but i can try that, just a sec[11:02:11] <exDM69> I didn't read the fine print in the glsl spec, but that's the only way I got it working in a portable manner[11:04:19] <exDM69> but I haven't seen the issue you're having[11:04:43] <exDM69> but in any case, it's best to write simple or even stupid GLSL shaders because GLSL compilers suck[11:05:17] <exDM69> even if you run your shaders through glslangValidator, there's no guarantee that it will compile on all platforms correctly[11:05:22] <sirius_black9999> same issue, it genuinely appears to think 4096 is not an int[11:05:30] <exDM69> apple's shader compiler is a pain in the ass[11:05:46] <sirius_black9999> mine won't anyway because i added my own preprocessor directives[11:05:50] <exDM69> and I've heard mobile glsl compilers are worse[11:06:17] <exDM69> sirius_black9999: so which hw/os/driver is this?[11:06:20] <sirius_black9999> which makes it so that none of the files on their own are "valid" glsl files[11:06:34] <exDM69> and do you really need 16 kiB of constant data?[11:06:46] <exDM69> can you pack it tighter with some bitwise arithmetic?[11:06:50] <sirius_black9999> GTX 1070, on win 10, with latest updates[11:07:09] <exDM69> I don't remember the details of marching cubes[11:07:18] *** StuartW <StuartW!~stuart@165.225.81.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:07:20] <sirius_black9999> like i said, i could, but i'd have to do that manually or write a program to do it for me, and i'm lazy xD[11:07:27] <exDM69> does a smaller 1-dimensional array work?[11:07:38] <sirius_black9999> essentially this is the lookup table for building the triangles for every state[11:08:18] <sirius_black9999> there are 256 states with up to 5 triangles per state for 15 values and it has a trailing -1 so it can end the loop upon finding a -1[11:08:28] <davve> 48[11:09:04] <exDM69> sirius_black9999: but you only need a few bits per coordinate, right?[11:09:11] <exDM69> it's +/- 1 or something[11:09:12] <sirius_black9999> davve: yes, 48 if you write code for mirroring and rotating about 3 axes and do that for every cube[11:09:26] <exDM69> sirius_black9999: anyway, try if a smaller array works?[11:09:26] <sirius_black9999> exDM69: indices, 0-12 integer[11:09:38] <sirius_black9999> 0-11*[11:10:13] <exDM69> so yeah, your array could be packed much smaller if needed[11:10:35] <exDM69> I don't know if there's a maximum size to constant arrays in GLSL[11:10:41] <exDM69> or are there implementation defined limites[11:11:29] <sirius_black9999> yep as said, i could pack it to 1024, but i was asking if there was a way not to because bitwise operations are emulated rather than hardware so it'd be faster not to[11:12:01] <exDM69> I'm not sure about that[11:12:08] <exDM69> but first you need to try a smaller array[11:12:09] *** nimitz <nimitz!~ztimin@24.157.180.57> has joined ##OpenGL[11:12:12] <exDM69> and see if it compiles/links[11:13:49] <sirius_black9999> that's what the CG spec says, but it could be an outdated spec i read (http://developer.download.nvidia.com/CgTutorial/cg_tutorial_chapter03.html figure 3.2)[11:14:17] <exDM69> just try it out[11:14:31] <exDM69> put const int myarray[1024] = ...;[11:15:22] *** Cooler <Cooler!~coolerext@42.109.187.91> has joined ##OpenGL[11:17:32] <exDM69> the best I can find is that shader compilers are free to reject shaders due to "implementation restrictions"[11:17:55] <exDM69> I can't find any practical info if there's a max size to a constant array in a shader[11:18:03] <exDM69> the largest I've ever used is 1 kiB[11:18:25] *** StuartW <StuartW!~stuart@165.225.80.244> has joined ##OpenGL[11:19:43] *** nimitz <nimitz!~ztimin@24.157.180.57> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[11:22:56] *** StuartW <StuartW!~stuart@165.225.80.244> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[11:29:44] *** matt__ <matt__!~matt@195.20.112.162> has joined ##OpenGL[11:32:59] <sirius_black9999> doing some testing, 2048 also seems to work[11:33:58] *** DarkUranium <DarkUranium!~DarkUrani@77.38.34.248> has joined ##OpenGL[11:34:19] <exDM69> sirius_black9999: my guess is that 16k is just too much data to put in shader constants[11:34:29] <exDM69> either compress it using bit tricks or put it in a uniform buffer[11:35:00] <exDM69> (uniform buffer will give you best performance on nvidia, and doesn't hurt on amd/intel)[11:35:04] <sirius_black9999> it's not 16k, it's 4k[11:35:11] <sirius_black9999> 3072 also works[11:35:50] <sirius_black9999> 4096 breaks again[11:35:59] <sirius_black9999> no, wait... what?[11:36:15] *** irrenhaus3 <irrenhaus3!~xenon@ip-37-201-7-18.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de> has joined ##OpenGL[11:36:28] <sirius_black9999> it worked... (on the other array i had that has 256 ints)[11:36:31] *** matt__ is now known as matzgi[11:37:31] <sirius_black9999> even 8192 works on that one...[11:37:37] <exDM69> you have 4k ints => 16 kilobytes[11:37:57] <sirius_black9999> so const int edgeTable[8192] works but const int triTable[4096] does not[11:38:10] <exDM69> sirius_black9999: also, be aware that some of the GLSL alignment rules are odd[11:38:20] <exDM69> things are sometimes aligned to 16 bytes[11:38:43] <exDM69> for something I made earlier I actually had to use uint4[] array of vectors instead of just uint[][11:39:09] <sirius_black9999> could it be because of signed v unsigned data?[11:39:16] <exDM69> I have no clue[11:40:27] <exDM69> it shouldn't be[11:40:35] <exDM69> but who knows, glsl compilers are a pain in the ass[11:40:36] <exDM69> all of them[11:40:40] <sirius_black9999> swapping the declarations worked...[11:41:10] <sirius_black9999> actually... the code isn't being used anymore now...[11:41:15] *** lucaswang <lucaswang!~lucaswang@114.84.215.116> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:41:38] *** Cooler <Cooler!~coolerext@42.109.187.91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[11:41:42] *** lucaswang <lucaswang!~lucaswang@114.84.215.116> has joined ##OpenGL[11:42:06] <sirius_black9999> so yeah, no, it worked because it got optimized away[11:44:30] *** Cooler <Cooler!~coolerext@42.109.187.91> has joined ##OpenGL[11:44:41] <ratchetfreak> ^one of the reasons why they are a pain in the ass[11:46:25] *** lucaswang <lucaswang!~lucaswang@114.84.215.116> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[11:47:51] <sirius_black9999> really? it optimizes away parts of arrays that aren't used :S[11:48:44] *** delicado <delicado!~delicado@112.198.83.32> has joined ##OpenGL[11:48:53] <sirius_black9999> like, the code that uses these things is now in a state where it should be used, but a 4096 edge array still works[11:52:04] <sirius_black9999> in fact it doesn't appear to be declaring the edge table at all :S[11:52:56] *** hellozee <hellozee!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has joined ##OpenGL[11:53:10] *** SiN_Bizkit <SiN_Bizkit!~SiN_Bizki@studio.unigine.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:53:44] *** SiN_Bizkit <SiN_Bizkit!~SiN_Bizki@studio.unigine.com> has joined ##OpenGL[11:54:23] *** hellozee <hellozee!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:55:30] *** hellozee <hellozee!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has joined ##OpenGL[11:55:48] *** hellozee <hellozee!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:56:30] *** matzgi <matzgi!~matt@195.20.112.162> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[11:56:53] *** matt__ <matt__!~matt@195.20.112.162> has joined ##OpenGL[11:57:16] *** hellozee <hellozee!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has joined ##OpenGL[11:59:26] *** zee6519 <zee6519!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has joined ##OpenGL[11:59:42] *** StuartW <StuartW!~stuart@165.225.81.0> has joined ##OpenGL[11:59:58] *** zee6519 <zee6519!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:00:02] *** matt__ is now known as matzgi[12:00:06] *** borkr <borkr!~borkr@static130-244.mimer.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[12:01:38] *** zee6519 <zee6519!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has joined ##OpenGL[12:01:46] *** zee6519 <zee6519!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:01:55] *** hellozee <hellozee!~amzee@45.118.156.175> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:02:56] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@cpe-24-165-192-204.neo.res.rr.com> has joined ##OpenGL[12:07:55] <sirius_black9999> even with altered values in later copies of the same values and ensuring all 8192 elements may be accessed the linker still claims only one array is defined of length 4096[12:12:09] *** nimitz <nimitz!~ztimin@24.157.180.57> has joined ##OpenGL[12:18:28] *** nimitz <nimitz!~ztimin@24.157.180.57> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:30:44] *** immibis <immibis!~chatzilla@122-59-200-50.jetstream.xtra.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[12:40:10] *** cfoch_ <cfoch_!uid270777@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwuktmbcgbjgkenv> has joined ##OpenGL[12:44:11] *** Birchy_ <Birchy_!~Birchy@2001:700:300:4012:6425:ebd8:f895:593d> has joined ##OpenGL[12:48:41] *** ShadowIce <ShadowIce!~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044> has joined ##OpenGL[12:54:47] *** Fig1024 <Fig1024!~Fig@175.117.3.23> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[12:55:55] <sirius_black9999> fixed it -.- the problem was that it was using the data in a conditional (probably because it's faster to have it in a temp array then)[12:59:32] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble@2.124.189.242> has joined ##OpenGL[13:02:42] *** slime <slime!~slime73@24.215.81.93> has joined ##OpenGL[13:05:45] <exDM69> sirius_black9999: you had if(this_condition_is_false) { use(my_array[x]); }[13:05:46] <exDM69> ?[13:12:17] *** nimitz <nimitz!~ztimin@24.157.180.57> has joined ##OpenGL[13:12:56] <sirius_black9999> no, i had for(i = 0; my_array[var+i] != -1; i++)[13:16:09] *** StuartW <StuartW!~stuart@165.225.81.0> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[13:16:47] <sirius_black9999> aaand we're back to where it can't bind a 27-float non-const array[13:18:25] *** nimitz <nimitz!~ztimin@24.157.180.57> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[13:19:19] <sirius_black9999> "0(55) : error C5041: cannot locate suitable resource to bind variable "triangleVerts". Possibly large array. 0(386) : error C5041: cannot locate suitable resource to bind variable "vertlist". Possibly large array." 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Must I draw triangles?[23:43:30] <s3a> (Cube, not square.)[23:43:48] <Yaniel> OpenGL only knows how to draw triangles[23:44:12] <Yaniel> (and points, lines and patches)[23:44:49] <chrisf> Yaniel: tessellation abuse to get quads :)[23:44:56] <chrisf> please dont[23:45:39] <s3a> Yaniel, So, does that mean that I'd have to draw (8 sides of a cube) * (2 triangles per sides of a cube) = 18 triangles?[23:45:46] <Yaniel> yes[23:45:49] *** sirius_black9999 <sirius_black9999!4da4ddfb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.164.221.251> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:45:54] <chrisf> did either of you go to school?[23:46:07] <derhass> non-euclidean cubes[23:46:11] <chrisf> (how many sides does a cube have?) ;)[23:46:22] <s3a> oops[23:46:23] <s3a> lol[23:46:23] <s3a> 6[23:46:28] <Yaniel> top, bottom, left, right, front, back, light, dark[23:46:28] <s3a> so 12 triangles[23:46:34] <chrisf> octahedron master race[23:46:44] <s3a> lol[23:48:18] <derhass> chrisf: maybe 8 * 2 is 18 in school nowadays[23:48:59] <s3a> Sorry; I'm burnt out. :([23:49:02] *** Asu`afk <Asu`afk!~sdelang@AMarseille-658-1-165-175.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:49:33] <derhass> don't drink and derive[23:50:19] <s3a> lol[23:53:31] <chrisf> s3a: at some point the geometry becomes "what your modeler tool spat out" rather than constructing it by hand[23:53:51] <chrisf> a cube is about the limit of what id bother to do by hand[23:54:12] <s3a> chrisf, That's good to know. 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