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[00:52:01] <bookmark> sup
[00:53:05] <bookmark> ok so you could animate a texture using a uniform texture2d then could you not use that in a vertex shader to change the position of vertices on a gridded plane?
[00:53:27] <bookmark> and have some sort of displacement
[00:53:34] <bookmark> animated even
[00:54:21] <bookmark> or can a vertex shader sample a texture?
[00:54:27] <bookmark> or not
[00:54:45] <derhass> everyb shader stages can sample textures
[00:54:53] <bookmark> wow neat
[00:56:35] <bookmark> if one could displace the shader one could maybe collide with that someway
[00:56:42] <bookmark> like terrain
[00:57:17] <bookmark> not sure how though
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[01:05:21] <bookmark> sorry just woke up
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[08:41:58] <fluffrabbit> so I was thinking, native code can be stressful, what about good old JavaScript? But I can't seem to find a lot of evidence of AAA or III development using node-webkit or electron (via WebGL of course). has that community moved to something else or what?
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[08:45:07] <fluffrabbit> I can't find any successor to electron
[08:51:09] <fluffrabbit> if I use native code, I lose out on using GL in a popular way, but if I use Vulkan, I lose out on many years of legacy (and current-gen) system support.
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[09:12:23] <dav1d> I dont understand why people would want to use electron
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[10:05:07] <Dave13h> dav1d: there is an entire generation of new coders that learned using javascript, I guess its comfortable for them to try and use it everywhere rather than switch to something else
[10:05:25] <Dave13h> You could probably say the same for a lot of Java devs too
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[10:05:48] <dav1d> not really
[10:06:27] <dav1d> electron is a browser compared to the JVM that's a tank vs a bicycle
[10:07:27] <Dave13h> My point was more about the mentality than the langauge
[10:07:58] <dav1d> yeah, I'm mainly not a fan of the bloated runtime
[10:08:17] <dav1d> having a browser application is fine - but making an application a browser, not a fan
[10:08:59] <Dave13h> I totally aggree, I'm really put off by applications that are built on electron
[10:09:45] <Dave13h> Either run in an actual browser or go more native to the platform
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[10:11:04] <Dave13h> I think Atom was a good example of that, over the years they've been replacing lots of the internals with C++ because JS just isn't cutting it
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[11:18:36] <cocody> An application freezes and lags when anti-aliasing is enabled AND specific screen resolutions are used.
[11:18:43] <cocody> Why would the screen resolution matter?
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[11:22:07] <karalaine> cocody, are the values passed to SDL_GL_MULTISAMPLESAMPLES something like 2 or 4?
[11:22:29] <nidefawl> Typical values are 2 and 4
[11:22:47] <cocody> karalaine: Yes. I notice problems with all values that are nonzero
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[11:24:52] <cocody> What puzzles me is the problem only occurs with certain height resolutions, e.g. *whatever*x525 or *whatever*x487 or *whatever*x859 (with a monitor of 1600x900 pixels)
[11:25:36] <karalaine> so basically odd heights?
[11:26:11] <cocody> karalaine: I'd like to believe that, but some odd heights don't cause problems.
[11:26:26] <cocody> E.g 513 does work 511 does not
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[11:28:57] <karalaine> weird indeed. never heard of anything like that
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[11:30:55] <cocody> karalaine: Is there a good theoretical reason of uneven screen resolution values influencing antialiasing?
[11:31:51] <exDM69> cocody: what GPU/OS/driver is this occuring with?
[11:32:07] <exDM69> it should work regardless of screen resolution and MSAA sample count
[11:32:15] <exDM69> this is probably a driver bug
[11:32:47] <cocody> exDM69: I use mesa with ArchLinux with an i5-2540M processor that has an integrated graphics card
[11:33:14] <exDM69> cocody: and this isn't an application written by yourself?
[11:33:35] <exDM69> cocody: modern day best practice is to never use MSAA on the default framebuffer
[11:33:49] <exDM69> instead create an MSAA'd FBO and manually resolve using glBlitFramebuffer
[11:34:08] <exDM69> ("resolve" means turn MSAA'd image into non-msaa)
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[11:38:47] <cocody> exDM69: No, I have not written this myself. Where can I read more on your suggestions, and especially the reasons for it?
[11:39:12] <exDM69> I'm not sure if there are good resources on this
[11:39:45] <exDM69> most games do this anyway, because they use some other format for actually rendering
[11:39:56] <exDM69> MSAA and/or FP16 framebuffers
[11:40:07] <exDM69> and then just resolve or composite to the final image
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[11:40:38] <exDM69> basically if your default framebuffer is MSAA'd, the driver will internally allocate the MSAA'd framebuffer and do the resolve operation on SwapBuffers
[11:41:07] <exDM69> ... and the "modern" way is to avoid driver magic and be as explicit as possible
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[11:42:04] <cocody> exDM69: I'll have to do some googling to get there, but will try it out and see whether I notice an effect.
[11:42:20] <cocody> exDM69: Thanks for your time
[11:42:42] <exDM69> cocody: if you want to get to the bottom of this, you should create a minimal application that reproduces the problem
[11:42:51] <exDM69> ... which may or may not be easy :)
[11:43:12] <exDM69> but I'm fairly certain that if your observations are correct, this is a driver bug
[11:44:09] <cocody> Well, I still have no idea about waht exactly causes the problem, I only know when it occurs -- all inside a 100,000k+ tangled codebase that is in a horrible state, as I know from contributing to it in the past ...
[11:44:45] <exDM69> cocody: basically you should create an application that creates MSAA'd default framebuffer and then just draws a triangle
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[11:45:07] <exDM69> cocody: and if that fails, then you should report it to intel's bug tracker
[11:45:27] <exDM69> cocody: also, when you say that you get a "hang" does that mean that the application hangs or the entire system hangs?
[11:45:45] <exDM69> cocody: could you attach GDB to your application and find which function it is that hangs
[11:46:34] <cocody> exDM69: Yeah, but as written enough, tangled huge codebase and I have little idea about where exactly the problem resides
[11:47:02] <exDM69> cocody: so application hang or entire system hangs?
[11:47:09] <exDM69> cocody: you'll find out where the problem is using a debugger
[11:47:13] <cocody> exDM69: Entire system does
[11:47:18] <exDM69> oh!
[11:47:22] <exDM69> then it's definitely a driver bug
[11:48:01] <exDM69> cocody: is your computer still alive after the hang? does it respond to network?
[11:48:20] <exDM69> can you start the app, wait for it to hang and then ssh in from another computer?
[11:48:31] <cocody> cocody: It's still alive, after a few seconds the program either crashes or normalizes
[11:49:01] <cocody> Until I move the camera, after which the program can get stuck again
[11:49:06] <exDM69> anyway, you can't get further information from this without a debugger
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[11:50:09] <exDM69> if you have another computer at hand, ssh in and attach debugger to the app
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[14:32:03] <roxlu> Hi I'm reading up on vertex skinning and read a couple of resources on the bind pose. Some describe the use of the inverse bind pose matrix to "undo any transformation that was done at when the skeleton was bound to the mesh" ... As this might be true wouldn't it be more intuitive to describe it in such a way that it is used to bring the mesh vertices into the same frame/space as the bones ?
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[15:37:11] <bayoubengal> morning
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[17:09:57] <bomb> sup bayoubengal
[17:10:26] <bayoubengal> bomb: nothing much. getting a new feature in
[17:10:29] <bayoubengal> you?
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[17:10:59] <bomb> fine. doing vector graphics all day
[17:11:03] <bomb> what feature you're doing?
[17:12:13] <bayoubengal> nothing graphical. extending the macro recording functionality of the app to be able to record Windowing details
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[17:19:49] <Cyp__> Is there a good substitute for doing something like texture2DLod(sampler, coord, lod) in a GLES 2.0 fragment shader? Seems like important functionality, but if I understand it right, that's not supported?
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[17:35:59] <Stragus> Cyp__: Do you have texture2DGrad() there?
[17:36:51] <Stragus> You can kind-of compute the mipmap(s) sampled by derivatives to texture2DGrad(), as long as no anistropic filtering is enabled
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[17:45:52] <Cyp__> Just texture2D, texture2DProj and textureCube.
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<s3a> Hello, everyone. I am very new to OpenGL (3.3), and I am trying to modify the following file(s) to learn, but I can't even get it/them running properly, in the first place! My simple-ish OpenGL program is not displaying anything other than a gray background, and there are no errors displayed either! What's wrong? Here are the files: TheMainFile.cpp: http://dpaste.com/19GJ4ZN f.glsl (fragment shader): http://dpaste.com/27JCV5F v.glsl (Vertex
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<s3a> Shader): http://dpaste.com/0657KA2 What must I do to make the code display the triangles it's supposed to display? Any help in getting me to have them displayed would be greatly appreciated!
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[19:18:29] <chek> your loadShaders function is empty
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[19:28:54] <s3a> chek, Thanks. Is there a way to do that in like four lines?
[19:29:07] <chek> not that I know of
[19:29:18] <s3a> Oh. :( Alright. Thanks
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[19:29:21] <chek> you'll need to open the files and read their contents
[19:29:43] <chek> then you're creating a program, two shaders, applying the sources to the shaders, compiling the shaders, attaching the shaders to the program, and linking the program
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[19:30:03] <chek> the annoying part is actually getting the error log out of that process if it fails
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[19:35:23] <s3a> chek, Thanks for putting it in words. :) That'll likely help. I have to go to work now, but I'll likely be back here later on in the day.
[19:35:56] <chek> ok good luck
[19:36:10] <s3a> Thanks. :) Bye.
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