November 17, 2014 
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where would one send feature requests?[20:13:13] <KittyCat> BrainDamage, either here or on github (https://github.com/kcat/openal-soft/ create an issue, and set the label to "enhancement")[20:14:36] <BrainDamage> ah thanks, i didn't see any reference to github http://kcat.strangesoft.net/openal.html[20:15:21] <KittyCat> yeah, it's relatively new there. haven't updated the website for it yet[20:41:22] <BrainDamage> maybe it's better if i discuss it here first: i have a laptop with multiple audio cards, hdmi output, an intel hda, external usb cards plugged on the fly, etc; it's my understanding that alsoft hrtf is used to create a pseudo binaural output from the 3d spatial information, best suited for headphone output, therefore enabling hrtf enforces stereo output, howrever, i often switch output card according to necessity, eg wh[20:41:22] <BrainDamage> enforces stereo output mode and hrtf filters even if the default card is now a multichannel one, so i would like an option along the lines of "auto_hrtf" that before enabling binaural stereo output would execute the following checks: if the output profile is multichannel: disable, if the output port is internal speakers: disable, if the output port is headphones: enable, i understand that most output backends don't expo[20:41:23] <BrainDamage> too ) would be nice[20:44:09] <KittyCat> the lines got truncated, but I think I get the gist of it[20:45:49] <KittyCat> I'd like to be able to detect when an output device is headphones, but unfortunately most backend audio systems don't provide a fool-proof way to detect it[20:47:33] <BrainDamage> automatically disabling when the profile is multichannel would be already an improvement and one less case of manual editing the config file for me ( i guess i could tape together some scripts to do it, but i think it'd belong to alsoft especially since it's already doing the detection )[20:47:53] <BrainDamage> btw, the full message, just for communication's sake: http://codepad.org/XnwFCWVn[20:48:36] <KittyCat> I could probably add a stereo-mode config option, with settings for auto (default), speakers, or headphones. speakers would be as now, and headphones would use either hrtf or a more basic crossfeed[20:51:34] <KittyCat> does pulseaudio have a query for stereo speakers vs headphones? or do you just mean basically checking strcasestr(devicename, "headphones")?[20:55:36] <KittyCat> I don't really feel as though checking the device name for "headphones" is a safe method[20:55:49] <BrainDamage> i know pa has the concept of multiple output ports for an audio card, eg my intel hda has http://codepad.org/IQf1tWpn ( sorry for the italian text but it seems that LANG is ignored by pacmd ), i'll check the source / documentation to see if the port label is enforced by pa or by the device[20:58:00] <BrainDamage> worst case, i'll put forward a feature request @ pa devs for a dedicated property of the port[20:58:27] <KittyCat> hmm[20:59:43] <KittyCat> I do see a similar thing here, analog-output-headphones: Headphones[21:00:18] <KittyCat> though I have analog-output-lineout: Line Out instead of speakers[21:13:37] *** bjz has quit IRC[21:13:56] *** bjz has joined #openal[21:13:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v bjz[21:15:24] <BrainDamage> from a quick glance in pa's code( i crawled all the way back from device-port to alsa-mixer ), it seems pa itself relies on those names: http://codepad.org/lff1y18Y[21:17:46] <KittyCat> I suppose I could check if the port name is "analog-output-headphones" (rather than checking the device name)[21:18:29] <KittyCat> it won't be fool-proof though, since heaphones can be plugged into normal analog output, line-out, or even digital output[21:18:34] <KittyCat> *headphones[21:19:09] <BrainDamage> yeah, hence why i think the option to enforce hrtf on should be kept, this would be an optional "automagic" that's nice when it works[21:27:48] <KittyCat> hmm, actually I'm curious if most audio devices will even use that. at least, from your port listing and my own, headphones are listed with "available: no"[21:28:20] <KittyCat> whether that means it's just not plugged in, or it could be there but the device doesn't have it, I don't know[21:28:58] <BrainDamage> it means not plugged in[21:29:11] <BrainDamage> it becomes yes as soon as i plug in headphones[21:29:21] <KittyCat> I see[21:29:47] <BrainDamage> the gui also updates the state that has headphones plugged in detected[21:30:04] <KittyCat> interestingly, my speakers have a headphone jack separate from the audio device[21:30:53] <KittyCat> unfortunately, pulseaudio won't be able to detect that (it will still see it as the line-out device I have configured)[21:36:46] *** neXyon has joined #openal[21:36:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v neXyon[21:51:08] *** tristanseifert has joined #openal[21:51:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tristanseifert[22:07:30] *** bjz has quit IRC[23:13:39] *** lritter has joined #openal[23:13:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v lritter[23:31:08] *** zeroclouds has joined #openal[23:31:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v zeroclouds