February 8, 2017 
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#omnios[16:50:32] <danmcd> Not me, but I'm pinging in-house.[16:51:43] <danmcd> Not seeing much from my pings. What's the problem?[16:52:03] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #omnios[16:52:25] <wca> Just wondered how to ensure writes are persistent as soon as they complete[16:53:19] <wca> In the sense that if the application crashes, reading the journal at next start will find that data[16:53:27] <wca> crashes immediately after the write finishes, say.[16:54:21] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #omnios[16:55:35] *** postwait <postwait!~jesus@apache/committer/jesus> has joined #omnios[16:56:58] <wca> wondering if, for example, the jlog safety needs to be JLOG_SAFE before initing[16:57:25] <postwait> Depends on your safety requirements.[16:57:35] <postwait> No one I know runs it that way[16:58:01] <postwait> If you box has an outage and you're looking to have up-to-the record recovery and can assume that your box will always come back up.[16:58:08] <postwait> Then SAFE might be useful (but slow)[16:58:27] <postwait> if you are trying to protect against process failure.. then use the precommit buffer and you don't need safety set.[16:59:14] <postwait> precommit uses a mmap'd segment, so if your process (only) crashes, it will get written back.[16:59:25] *** daleg <daleg!~daleg@pool-71-178-185-207.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net> has joined #omnios[16:59:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o daleg[17:00:39] <wca> postwait: ok. that doesn't protect against power loss, but I suppose there are other ways to address that.[17:01:14] <postwait> It doesn't protect against drive failure or bad ram either. :-)[17:01:25] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~toast@2a02:aa10:e100:8470::618> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:01:53] <postwait> usually, if we're in the realm of not trusting the hardware or the kernel to stay working, we enter the realm of multi-machine safety requirements.[17:02:01] <postwait> (at least where we stand here)[17:03:52] <wca> Thanks for your time, I think I know what I need to do.[17:08:00] *** slx86 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