December 29, 2016 
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December 29, 2016 [01:01:06] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@112.95.165.146> has joined #oi-dev[01:07:03] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@112.95.165.146> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:07:15] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@112.95.165.146> has joined #oi-dev[01:15:57] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@112.95.165.146> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[01:17:00] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@153.92.43.163> has joined #oi-dev[01:26:33] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@153.92.43.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:28:38] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@153.92.43.163> has joined #oi-dev[01:32:49] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@153.92.43.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[01:37:38] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@153.92.43.163> has joined #oi-dev[01:48:14] *** tozhu1 <tozhu1!~Thunderbi@153.92.43.163> has joined #oi-dev[01:48:37] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@153.92.43.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[01:48:37] *** tozhu1 is now known as tozhu[02:00:39] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@153.92.43.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[02:15:32] *** frusen <frusen!~frusen@dragora/developer/frusen> has joined #oi-dev[02:27:55] *** alkpote <alkpote!~alkpote@ALyon-259-1-174-211.w92-144.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #oi-dev[02:36:12] <oibot> Project illumos-gate build #4731: SUCCESS in 1 hr 30 min: https://hipster.openindiana.org/jenkins/job/illumos-gate/4731/[02:59:12] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p54BC770E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:02:58] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p54BC787C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #oi-dev[03:25:01] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc05-o.oracle.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:25:18] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc05-o.oracle.com> has joined #oi-dev[03:25:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[05:30:53] *** grueni <grueni!~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-134-3-91-29.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #oi-dev[05:42:59] *** grueni <grueni!~chatzilla@HSI-KBW-134-3-91-29.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507])[06:09:07] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@46.147.120.142> has joined #oi-dev[06:30:35] <leoric> mooney: look at other fonts, for example, components/fonts/baekmuk-ttf[06:31:01] <leoric> https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/blob/oi/hipster/components/fonts/baekmuk-ttf/Makefile[06:31:20] <leoric> they just ship simple Makefile to install font[06:42:01] <leoric> wacki: do you have locale/it-extra installed?[06:44:15] <leoric> ah, it doesn't matter[06:44:47] <leoric> see the same issue here with it locale installed, so at least it's not new issue[06:52:25] <leoric> wacki: it seems test needs patching, they changed git message, but didn't change test[06:58:44] <leoric> test expect 'Bjó til tóma Git lind' message, but git emits 'Bjó til tóma Git lind í /directory/name'[06:59:27] <leoric> or perhaps, it's issue in some intermediate tools which doesn't cut this text?[07:00:11] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@46.147.120.142> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:19:48] <igork> leoric: hey[08:20:05] <igork> are have you alp today?[08:22:11] <alp> hi[08:26:28] <alp> mooney: for component, which unpacks to specific directory, you can look at docbook/docbook-dtds/Makefile[08:26:53] <alp> mooney: you just should path -r DIRECTORY to userland-unpack[08:26:58] <alp> pass[08:27:57] *** FuntDobraWork <FuntDobraWork!~FuntDobra@212.34.53.106> has joined #oi-dev[08:31:57] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[08:43:01] *** kohju <kohju!~kohju@gw.justplayer.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[08:44:06] *** kohju <kohju!~kohju@gw.justplayer.com> has joined #oi-dev[08:44:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o kohju[08:58:20] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@158-10-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #oi-dev[09:39:45] *** tsundoku <tsundoku!~tsundoku@hako.tsundoku.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[09:43:36] *** tsundoku <tsundoku!~tsundoku@hako.tsundoku.ne.jp> has joined #oi-dev[10:59:02] *** merzo_ <merzo_!~merzo@user-94-45-58-139.skif.com.ua> has joined #oi-dev[11:13:48] *** merzo_ <merzo_!~merzo@user-94-45-58-139.skif.com.ua> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[11:19:59] <alp> xenol: you have invented a lot of ugly work (about moving man pages from 8 to 1m)[11:20:13] <xenol> I didn't, we do it everywhere[11:20:28] <alp> I've tried to fix man pages everywhere with sed, but it's asciidoc[11:20:54] <alp> and now I have to add one '=' in header of each man page from (1m) ;)[11:25:29] *** merzo_ <merzo_!~merzo@92.60.189.225> has joined #oi-dev[11:26:50] *** Alasdairr <Alasdairr!~alasdair@irc.eu-man.everycity.co.uk> has joined #oi-dev[11:26:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alasdairr[11:29:38] *** avsej_ <avsej_!~avsej@2001:19f0:5000:8b81:5400:ff:fe0b:a1a> has joined #oi-dev[11:29:38] *** avsej_ <avsej_!~avsej@2001:19f0:5000:8b81:5400:ff:fe0b:a1a> has quit IRC (Changing 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every sane man?...[12:04:55] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@AAmiens-152-1-49-136.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #oi-dev[12:19:52] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@AAmiens-152-1-49-136.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[12:33:57] <alp> I can't make automake generate rules for installing man pages in 1m...[12:34:22] <alp> It instals *.1m manpages to usr/share/man/man1/[12:34:29] <alp> does someone know the cure?[12:48:28] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@158-10-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:48:49] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@158-10-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #oi-dev[13:30:26] <xenol> tsoome: here?[13:30:33] <tsoome> no....[13:30:41] <tsoome> :P[13:32:35] <alp> xenol: looking at logadm I have only one question... Why can't we replace it with logrotate by default...[13:33:09] <tsoome> why would we want to replace it with logrotate?[13:34:28] <alp> logrotate has much more features + there are ready logrotate modules for puppet and similar systems[13:34:51] <tsoome> how many more option one would need to rotate logs?[13:34:54] <alp> I like its copy and truncate features[13:35:02] <alp> feature[13:35:29] <alp> so that when daemon doesn't reopen logs on sighup, you can deal with it[13:35:40] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@AAmiens-152-1-51-230.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #oi-dev[13:36:36] <tsoome> sighup is not the only way to deal with logs and logadm can handle those[13:37:53] <alp> but perhaps I'm just biased, as I mainly deal with linux systems[13:38:06] <tsoome> well, if you want linux, just use linux[13:38:45] <alp> and if I want solaris with friendly log rotate tool ? ;)[13:38:46] <tsoome> im not saying that logadm is perfect, surely it can be improved[13:39:11] <tsoome> well, I say that logadm is friendly;)[13:39:26] <tsoome> :D[13:39:47] <tsoome> about solaris you need to talk with oracle anyhow.[13:40:00] <tsoome> :P[13:41:13] <alp> ok, opensolaris[13:41:21] <tsoome> opensolaris is long dead[13:42:00] <tsoome> killed, dead and buried:)[13:47:29] <alp> xenol: as for your question on logrotate file, the answer is easy - we don't need it[13:47:32] <alp> at all[13:47:46] <alp> as it's just example for some nut log files[13:47:50] <tsoome> all those “features” may seem nice, but we already have this stupid ssh depending on gtar or was it vice versa. which is kind of ridiculous. or like when gnu people have absolutely nothing to do, they will add another option to some tool:D[13:49:28] <alp> tsoome: You can patch manpage to state 'For this feature to work you need network/ssh installed' and remove dependency ;) PRs are welcome.[13:50:24] <tsoome> do you want to clean up and review/rti my 100+ commits?;)[13:50:47] <alp> no, I want to finish with nut this year[13:50:55] <tsoome> yea[13:50:57] <tsoome> btw[13:51:17] <tsoome> does this DRM stuff have some decent docs up somewhere?[13:51:42] <alp> don't know[13:52:53] <tsoome> probably need to ask later, when more people are awake[13:53:10] <tsoome> I got some ideas, but need to read more…[13:53:41] <tsoome> and unfortunately, if those ideas hold, it means even more commits… sigh.[13:54:53] <alp> xenol: what do you think about 32-bit / 64-bit files?[14:30:30] *** FuntDobraWork <FuntDobraWork!~FuntDobra@212.34.53.106> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[14:50:44] *** wacki <wacki!~wacki@pD95762F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #oi-dev[14:53:58] <wacki> alp: I will look at the git test this afternoon.[15:02:24] <xenol> alp: but you can provide logadm entry![15:03:15] <alp> xenol: which one?[15:03:29] <xenol> tomww: man, just respond already, ffs :([15:03:32] <alp> nut doesn't specify any log destinations[15:03:37] <xenol> ok[15:03:54] <xenol> as for 32/64 bit, disnt we wanted to drop 32bit binaries?[15:03:55] <alp> and our net-snmp misses one file[15:04:40] <alp> It delivers some libraries and headers[15:04:53] <alp> I don't know, what consumers can use them[15:04:54] <xenol> alp: i am more concwrned about man 8 vs 1m[15:04:57] *** merzo_ <merzo_!~merzo@92.60.189.225> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[15:05:10] <xenol> we have to change every compinent for this[15:05:13] <alp> I don't care when man is shipped, if it is present[15:05:20] <alp> where[15:05:28] <xenol> consistency..[15:05:40] <alp> if man finds it, who cares[15:06:17] <alp> as for Solaris man conventions, they are uncommon, and so are strange[15:06:19] <xenol> if thats the case, why do enforce it everytime?[15:06:49] <alp> because we borrow manifests from Oracle :)[15:07:07] <alp> which, btw, has switched to usual man locations[15:07:41] <xenol> does anyone has tomww's phone number?[15:07:46] <alp> but if we have to convince illumos people to move man1m pages to man8, I'm out of game[15:08:14] <xenol> so am i[15:08:50] <xenol> https://dashboard.congress.ccc.de :p[15:09:15] <alp> ooops[15:09:36] <alp> what does they mean by internet traffic?[15:10:09] <xenol> how much traffic goes in/out of the congress centre[15:11:59] <alp> I'm comparing this with University traffic and a bit shocked :)[15:13:52] <xenol> this is just[15:14:10] <xenol> this is just temporary[15:14:34] <xenol> after congress, it will be gone :)[15:14:49] <xenol> i would like to see city-wide traffic stats[15:21:15] *** merzo_ <merzo_!~merzo@92.60.189.225> has joined #oi-dev[15:44:45] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@AAmiens-152-1-51-230.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[15:46:31] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@AAmiens-152-1-51-230.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #oi-dev[16:06:45] *** merzo_ <merzo_!~merzo@92.60.189.225> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:12:03] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@158-10-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[16:24:17] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@176.215.70.82> has joined #oi-dev[16:32:27] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@AAmiens-152-1-51-230.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[16:33:13] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #oi-dev[16:55:35] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[16:56:50] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #oi-dev[17:08:12] <mooney> alp: just saw your suggestion about looking at docbook/docbook-dtds, and that's exactly what I needed! I added UNPACK_ARGS += -r $(COMPONENT_SRC) and now things are working great[17:10:16] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #oi-dev[17:38:26] <denk> guys, I broke my server :( pkg says some files catalog.blbabla are invalid, run pkgrepo rebuild to repair it... but it does not help, which path should I specify for -s option? I used <altroot>/var/pkg. is it correct?[17:38:40] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@AAmiens-152-1-51-230.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #oi-dev[17:39:18] <leoric> pkgrepo is for repositories[17:39:24] <leoric> not for /var/pkg database[17:40:02] <leoric> what exactly does pkg say?[17:41:12] <denk> file XXX is invalid, run pkgrepo rebuild ...[17:41:52] <leoric> what is XXX?[17:42:11] <leoric> can you paste whole output?[17:42:36] <denk> XXX was /var/pkg/state/installed/*[17:42:53] <denk> no, I can't paste anything[17:43:36] <leoric> how did you get there?[17:44:16] <denk> I tried to install tuntap package and the server hung[17:44:33] <denk> in some time I pushed reset[17:45:10] <denk> and it does not noot anymore, but I booted from usb image[17:45:32] <denk> impoter the pool and tried to repair it[17:45:48] <leoric> wonderful[17:47:03] <tsoome> do you have older BE’s?[17:47:04] <denk> I copied catalog.attrs from another server, and pkg said that the file state/known/catalog.dependency.C is invalid[17:47:19] <denk> tsoome: unfortunately, no[17:47:57] <leoric> what is with old copy?[17:48:00] <denk> I renamed the last file to *.orig and reran pkg update && pkg fix[17:48:12] <nikolam> you can transfer to #openindiana for suport, denk[17:48:52] <denk> nikolam: anyway, I can't do anything today, maybe tomorrow...[17:48:57] <tsoome> pkg refresh —full?[17:49:48] <nikolam> just go to #openindiana, so to figure out. One always have previous BE to boot into. (if you installed with 'pkg' and upadted with pkg update previously)[17:50:25] <nikolam> beadm activate <BE name> gets you previous BE to boot from[17:51:06] <denk> nikolam: I know it[17:51:36] <nikolam> may be that was old install fith GRUB and you got hit with loader install on update or something, need more info etc.[17:52:52] <denk> I will ask tomorrow on #openindiana with some details[17:52:56] <denk> thanks[17:54:05] *** alkpote <alkpote!~alkpote@ALyon-259-1-174-211.w92-144.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:54:20] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@AAmiens-152-1-51-230.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[17:57:09] *** kmays <kmays!6376d6f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.118.214.248> has joined #oi-dev[18:03:08] <kmays> tsoome - https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2015/Program/#Fishel_status_drm_i915_solaris[18:03:54] <kmays> doc on GPU driver development cover it in academia format. ;)[18:04:04] <tsoome> I think I have seen it, but thanks anyhow, its probably good refresh:)[18:07:21] <tsoome> I wanted to learn more about how the API is intended to be used to build FB support, but as usual, the code is for docs and well… the code is just an mess.[18:11:54] <kmays> GPU Driver Developer’s Guide[18:12:30] <kmays> Covers it.[18:15:14] <tsoome> yea…[18:15:16] <tsoome> The requested URL /doc/Documentation/output/html/gpu/index.html was not found on this server.[18:15:20] <tsoome> ;)[18:15:44] <tsoome> at least another link is working[18:16:42] <kmays> Oh, no. You can use this one from Intel and/or the Linux one: https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/6th-gen-graphics-api-dev-guide[18:16:59] <kmays> Linux one is the generic FOSS one.[18:17:05] <tsoome> ah[18:17:09] <tsoome> cool, thanks[18:19:03] <kmays> Linux one: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/gfx-docs/drm/gpu/index.html[18:19:47] <tsoome> ye, i got that one[18:25:53] <tsoome> I do have working FB console done, but it depends on fb address from boot loader (gop or vesa) and is software only, meaning its unusable if there is no address (can happen with older firmware) and it is lacking resolution change…[18:41:04] <kmays> If SPARC, efb generically related?[18:41:52] <denk> leoric: https://paste.ec/paste/8FpVrsGw#-oRc4KtL4dy/ynF2aNbUQGob1ESMSVe57VzTsIp52JY[18:44:08] <kmays> (i.e. tem)[18:47:13] <tsoome> x86, tem is living on top of it anyhow.[18:53:37] *** alkpote <alkpote!~alkpote@ALyon-259-1-174-211.w92-144.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #oi-dev[18:56:38] <kmays> Based on the legacy firmware you want to support, you could predefined known working text-mode resolutions for change component.[18:58:02] <tsoome> na, the specific case was with old uefi firmware where all gop modes were implementing software only mode, without linear framebuffer:D[18:58:17] <denk> huh, tsoome you were partially right, but refresh did not help at that point[18:58:19] <tsoome> specific case was solved by firmware upgrade[18:58:43] <denk> I found the problem, but it is python[19:06:55] <tsoome> so you have chance to learn some python;)[19:07:49] <denk> sparc asm could be better :)[19:08:29] <leoric> do we have something like start-stop-daemon or some helper smf method to kill process, wait a bit and kill -9 if it's still alive?[19:08:39] <leoric> or should I reinvent a wheel?[19:10:36] <leoric> google search upsdrvctl stop or kill finds 'A Tough Nut to Kill' by Elizabeth Lee...[19:11:27] <tsoome> I think you need to write your stop script to wait a bit and then use kill -9[19:12:31] <tsoome> or fix the upsd to die in decent way;)[19:12:52] <leoric> after looking at upsdrvctl stop method I can just kill all process in contract[19:13:28] <leoric> it just sends sigterm to all processes[19:14:03] <tsoome> ah, you meant that you dod not know which one to kill?[19:14:09] <tsoome> did*[19:14:55] <leoric> I mean debian srop scripts do the following: start-stop-daemon to kill upsd && upsdrvctl stop[19:15:12] <leoric> so I wasn't sure that ':kill' is a right answer[19:15:58] <leoric> but when I found that upsdrvctl just finds pids of all nut drivers and sends sigterm to them, I'm more sure that ':kill' is simpler and correct here[19:17:42] <leoric> And I still can't get snmp information from my UPS, it just refuses to answer snmp requests.... Checked all ACLs and so on...[19:18:05] <leoric> I hope issue is not in net-snmp, but in my /dev/hands[19:18:32] <leoric> (UPS works fine with linux nut host)[19:21:41] <tsoome> well, I hope that upsctl does search for .pid files for that:D[19:43:17] <leoric> xenol: take a look at https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/pull/2700[19:43:44] <leoric> perhaps I could test it with USB ups...[19:44:06] <leoric> but likely only the next year[19:45:42] <leoric> one thing we could try is build it 64-bit only...[19:48:48] <leoric> but not today[20:01:23] <mooney> anyone know if https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Categories+layout is up to date?[20:01:39] <leoric> likely not[20:01:50] <leoric> what exactly do you want to know?[20:02:44] <mooney> leoric: I'm learning IPS packaging by packaging a new font, and I'm wondering if the fmri should be /font/truetype/FONTNAME rather than /system/fonts/truetype/FONTNAME, as all the current fonts are[20:03:25] <leoric> the page you refer to is about oi-userland components tree layout[20:03:48] <leoric> it's not about package fmris[20:04:29] <mooney> leoric: ah! I misunderstood what the page was saying. So where it's located in the source tree under oi-userland, not what its fmri is. Ok, that makes sense[20:06:23] <leoric> xenol: BTW, where do we want to put perl_modules ? componets/library/perl/ ?[20:07:52] <leoric> (or even components/library/perl-5 ). But I dislike the later - what will we do when/if we have to package perl 6 modules :)[20:39:05] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@176.215.70.82> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:56:14] <tsoome> ahm. i915 man is bugged[21:00:58] <kmays> xorg-testing contains the updated driver base and man page(s). Need to import DRM work back to it as well.[21:03:08] <kmays> (or just chop out what is built elsewhere during snapshots to avoid wrongful dependency crufting).[21:04:28] <kmays> Which is why 'snapshots' become important.[21:06:54] <kmays> (dependency-construct gleanings)[21:17:16] *** kmays <kmays!6376d6f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.118.214.248> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:18:26] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@176.215.70.82> has joined #oi-dev[22:18:40] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@176.215.70.82> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:39:05] <oibot> Project oi-userland build #2760: SUCCESS in 2 hr 42 min: https://hipster.openindiana.org/jenkins/job/oi-userland/2760/[22:49:59] *** ozquera <ozquera!~ozquera@x590c8329.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #oi-dev[23:17:17] *** wacki <wacki!~wacki@pD95762F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #oi-dev[23:42:13] *** fronald <fronald!~fronald@187.38.139.231> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:43:40] *** fronald <fronald!~fronald@187.38.139.231> has joined #oi-dev