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[00:03:41] <oztiks> hi.. is it possible to enable the comstar target plugin in the nexenta enterprise trial version?
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[07:18:10] <Rune_> have anyone used nexentastor with xen cloud using the xen.org/citrix storagelink?
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[08:10:47] <saik01> apt-clone upgrade gives this error: "This upgrade will download approximately 154.00MB. Estimated free space requirement for this transactional upgrade: 1078.00MB. Available free space: 38.16MB.
[08:11:37] <saik01> I have over 1GB available on rootfs, and apt cache is on another fs
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[08:31:53] <saik01> Also i did apt-get -d upgrade to download all the packages, but it still says 154 MB to download
[08:58:26] <JagWaugh> hmn...
[08:58:55] <JagWaugh> how much space is available on the fs with apt cache?
[08:59:34] <JagWaugh> 38.16MB?
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[10:07:30] <JagWaugh> RedSun, you online?
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[15:20:37] <saik01> JagWaug: 4TB+ is avail on the drive storing the cache
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[15:49:34] <JagWaugh> hmn... probably enough then.
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[16:02:18] <TheBarron> So I'm trying out NexentaStor3.0b3, and one of my questions is regarding measuring performance... There seems to be a number of ways to see IO stats in KB/sec, but how do I go about watching IO/sec (read and write seperately, preferably)
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[16:05:13] <Jenkens> zpool iostat isn't detailed enough?
[16:05:22] <Jenkens> it has a separate read/write column
[16:06:15] <TheBarron> a- I'm a n00b b- been trying it sticking to the GUI for managability sake. I'll go check out zpool iostat now :)
[16:06:36] <Jenkens> you could try the analytics tab too
[16:06:45] <Jenkens> you might be able to get a base for in/out data
[16:07:01] <Jenkens> but that's likely how you are doing it anyway?
[16:07:48] <TheBarron> everything there seemed to be throughput except for one 'Number of IO events' item.. which is great, although I'd also like it broken out
[16:08:11] <Jenkens> hrmm
[16:10:09] <TheBarron> with iostat, do I have to divide the number by my interval?
[16:11:01] <Jenkens> well it probably makes it more consistent when the numbers are divisible by eachother.. for instance zpool iostat poolname 5 10 will look at the pool IO every 5 seconds for 10 times (50 seconds total)
[16:11:51] <TheBarron> yeah.. but what I mean is the numbers returned for those 5 seconds.. is it a total for the 5 secs, or a per sec average over those 5 secs?
[16:12:52] <Jenkens> oh no idea
[16:13:08] <Jenkens> it might just be the IO at that time
[16:13:39] <Jenkens> something like zpool iostat poolname 1 60 might be better so it watches ever 1 second.. but at that point you might as well use analytics
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[16:29:28] <TheBarron> with a zRAID2, I should be able to yank two drives, right?
[16:30:44] <Jenkens> depends how many disks are in the pool
[16:32:06] <TheBarron> I haven't manage to make the shift from thing about FS/RAID in traditional terms and zfs terms yet :)
[16:32:12] <TheBarron> thing=thinking
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[16:37:29] <guest007> hi
[16:44:30] <TheBarron> jenkens: ok.. how so?
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[16:49:45] <guest007> i have a problem with iscsi target. what am I doing wrong? http://paste2.org/p/751963
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[16:56:17] <anilg> guest007: what version of NCP?
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[17:00:10] <guest007> anilg: SunOS nexenta 5.11 NexentaOS_134b i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[17:00:37] <anilg> guest007: ok.. that's the latest.
[17:01:06] <anilg> can you disable iscsitgt and enable iscsi/target .. per http://www.gulecha.org/tag/iscsi/
[17:01:09] <anilg> see if that helps?
[17:02:27] <anilg> guest007: http://www.nexenta.org/boards/1/topics/153#message-155 .. use sbdadm as in this message
[17:02:44] <anilg> have to rush out.. be back in a while
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[17:03:50] <guest007> anatoly_l: ok i will test it
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[17:19:31] <TheBarron> jenkens: you alive?
[17:21:47] <guest007> always the same error: zfs set shareiscsi=on tank/zvol1 ==> invalid property
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[17:55:05] <anilg> guest007: try the second link.. sbdadm
[17:55:12] <anilg> also .. http://thegreyblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/setting-up-solaris-comstar-and.html
[17:58:03] <guest007> seems to work...
[17:58:20] <eXeC001er> about shareiscsi: (from #opensolris): shareiscsi is on the list of things that went away in 136 with the removal of the old iscsi.
[18:02:15] <guest007> eXeC001er: ok thanks for the info
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[18:40:34] <anilg> guest007: can you write up a quick wiki entry at http://www.nexenta.org/projects/site/wiki/SettingISCSI about the steps you went through
[18:40:47] <anilg> for future reference
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[19:50:33] <SnowMann> anilg: i have made an entry into the wiki... my english is not so good. perhaps there are errors...
[19:51:47] <anilg> Thanks.. I'll cleanup wiki code and any grammatical errors
[20:02:24] <TheBarron> can anyone expound on this earlier comment for me:
[20:02:25] <TheBarron> (9:33:35 AM) TheBarron: with a zRAID2, I should be able to yank two drives, right?
[20:02:25] <TheBarron> (9:34:51 AM) Jenkens: depends how many disks are in the pool
[20:02:33] <TheBarron> How does it depend?
[20:03:15] <TheBarron> RAIDZ-2, sorry :)
[20:05:27] <SnowMann> TheBarron: raid2-2 is raid6 see wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#RAID_6
[20:05:56] <TheBarron> right.. so why did he say it depends? :)
[20:07:55] <CNLiberal> Jenkens is a little strange
[20:08:23] <CNLiberal> maybe he meant depends on which disks you pull...like if there's a cache or ZIL dedicated disk
[20:08:49] <TheBarron> I had some questions about a cache disk failure/pull too, but hadn't got there yet :)
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[20:17:35] <TheBarron> so.. I have two SSDs designated as cache (did this all with NexentaStor gui, not command line) ... what happens if I pull one or both of those?
[20:18:12] <CNLiberal> well, i know that if it stops "working" the pool should continue on as normal
[20:18:20] <CNLiberal> at least, i read that in the documentation
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[20:20:49] <TheBarron> where in which doc are you speaking of? :)
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[20:37:24] <SnowMann> cu@all
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[20:45:50] <jwarnier> here I am
[20:46:46] <jwarnier> BTW, the topic just announces Beta1, while Beta2 is already out
[20:48:21] <anilg> I recall changing the topic.. not sure why it didnt stick
[20:48:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o anilg
[20:48:49] *** anilg changes topic to "Welcome to the friendly IRC home of Nexenta | NCP3 Beta2 released: http://www.nexenta.org/ | File Bug: http://www.nexenta.org/projects/site/issues | NexentaStor discussions : #nexentastor | Don't ask to ask.. just ask"
[20:48:58] <jwarnier> as I'm new to this channel, I'll present myself
[20:49:38] <jwarnier> I'm 33 years old, living in Belgium (Brussels) and UNIX sysadmin since about 1999
[20:50:27] <TheBarron> Great. now do you have a reason we care? ;)
[20:50:30] <jwarnier> I've experience mostly on Solaris and Linux, and I'm a strong believer (and advocate/evangelist) in Free Software
[20:50:42] <jwarnier> don't know
[20:51:02] <jwarnier> looks like a good way to start a relationship to me... :-P
[20:51:19] <jwarnier> my Linux distro is Debian
[20:51:43] <jwarnier> (then a little bit of Ubuntu, but only because its Debian roots)
[20:52:06] <jwarnier> and my favorite UNIX is Solaris, of course
[20:52:36] <jwarnier> I've worked on Solaris 10 for the last 3 years (ZFS and Zones rules!)
[20:53:19] <jwarnier> as time permits, I'm trying to contribute (bugs) to Nexenta
[20:53:35] <xinkeT> we don't need more bugs ;)
[20:53:52] <jwarnier> when I feel knowledgeable, I even try to fix bugs (well, submit patches)
[20:54:01] <jwarnier> you always need more bugs
[20:54:11] <jwarnier> if the purpose is to fix them, of course
[20:54:36] <jwarnier> and you might wonder if I'm not mixing bugs and bug reports
[20:54:43] <jwarnier> I am (not)
[20:54:46] <xinkeT> yes, I see the humor was lost
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[20:56:59] <TheBarron> So.. should SSDs be used as L2ARC, as ZIL, or both, or ??
[20:57:02] <CNLiberal> could be because your humor packets had to travel too many router hops to get to Belgium
[20:57:09] <CNLiberal> i use my SSDs for both
[20:57:15] * jwarnier feeling funny today
[20:57:18] <CNLiberal> there's an article about it somewherez
[20:57:20] <TheBarron> The packet loss doesn't seem to be limited to humor
[20:57:36] <TheBarron> CNL: may be the one I'm looking at now.. a sun blog post..
[20:58:03] <CNLiberal> it was saying that a smaller sized SSD should be used for X and the larger for Y...one should be read optimized, and one write optimixed
[20:58:24] <CNLiberal> (optimized)...i use a 32GB and 64GB Intel x25-E drives
[20:59:03] <jwarnier> I've read somewhere that bigger is better for SSD, performance-wise
[20:59:08] <TheBarron> I have some of the 160G X25m 's.. set them both as cache (again.. using NexentaStor GUI here, just testing this all out)
[20:59:36] <TheBarron> jwarn: can be true.. the 160G versions of the x25ms are faster than the 80G ones..
[20:59:37] <CNLiberal> i just followed what i saw in the blog/or maybe docs posting online
[21:00:09] <TheBarron> I don't think I did anything special for the ZIL.. of course, that's mainly because I don't actually know what I'm doing :)
[21:03:40] <jwarnier> @anilg so what about the devzone with the empty script?
[21:03:56] <anilg> updated http://www.nexenta.org/issues/127 just this second
[21:04:33] <anilg> xinkeT: you helped figure out the issue before (https://bugs.launchpad.net/nexenta/+bug/230792)
[21:04:33] <jwarnier> @anilg why not just /bin/sh?
[21:04:35] <Libertiny> anilg: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x84df2ac> bug 230792 not found
[21:05:40] <anilg> jwarnier: doesnt really matter..? The issue is file is not found
[21:06:42] <jwarnier> @anilg for performance, yes, as bash is several times bigger and linked to more libraries than any other shell out there
[21:07:32] <jwarnier> @anilg you are wasting memory and disk reads
[21:07:40] <anilg> jwarnier: ack. changed
[21:07:48] <anilg> still the "not found"
[21:08:22] <jwarnier> is it executable?
[21:08:40] <anilg> 777
[21:08:42] <xinkeT> yeah, what about it?
[21:10:21] <xinkeT> I must have missed something
[21:10:47] <anilg> the workaround doesnt seem to work .. do you recall something else that needed to be done?
[21:11:16] <xinkeT> what version of NCP is this? I still do this for NCP 2.x
[21:11:24] <xinkeT> haven't tried creating new zones from scratch on 3.x yet
[21:12:58] <xinkeT> I will look over my build system real quick and make sure I didn't leave anything out
[21:13:45] <xinkeT> what error are you getting when you try to create the zone?
[21:14:26] <anilg> xinkeT: look at issue 127 for the output
[21:14:43] <anilg> (the zone is created via devzone_create)
[21:14:54] <anilg> this is NCP3b2
[21:15:39] <anilg> specifically: http://www.nexenta.org/issues/127#note-5
[21:16:32] <xinkeT> might be a dumb question, but /usr/sbin/sys-unconfig is just the script and not a symlink to it, right?
[21:17:14] <xinkeT> if cat /usr/sbin/sys-unconfig is only showing #!/bin/bash then you are missing the 'exit 0' part
[21:17:34] <xinkeT> technically shouldn't matter whether it's bash or sh, but it needs the right exit value
[21:17:46] <anilg> xinkeT: I added the exit 0
[21:17:53] <anilg> and yes, it's a file.. not a symlink
[21:17:57] <anilg> still no go
[21:18:11] <xinkeT> what happens when you run it on the command line?
[21:18:34] <xinkeT> and for completeness, try /bin/sh instead of bash
[21:18:45] <anilg> root at gnusolaris:/zones/base_zone/ dot zfs/snapshot/SUNWzone1/root/usr/sbin# ls -l sys-unconfig
[21:18:45] <anilg> root at gnusolaris:/zones/base_zone/ dot zfs/snapshot/SUNWzone1/root/usr/sbin# cat sys-unconfig
[21:18:45] <anilg> #!/bin/sh
[21:18:45] <anilg> exit 0
[21:19:13] <anilg> no go with above
[21:20:04] <xinkeT> not found is a strange error
[21:20:08] <anilg> I can setup access for you on the machine
[21:20:22] <xinkeT> I'd be happy to take a look
[21:20:26] <anilg> gimme a sec
[21:22:15] <jwarnier> @anilg I'm not finding any sys-unconfig under /usr/sbin on this machine
[21:22:49] <anilg> it's not on the base machine.. it's in the base_zone
[21:22:50] <jwarnier> @anilg that probably explains why it's not found ;-)
[21:23:07] <anilg> Ah.. I need to create this on the base machine ..
[21:23:14] <xinkeT> yes
[21:23:16] <jwarnier> @anilg hu hu
[21:23:19] <anilg> grr...
[21:23:23] <xinkeT> :)
[21:23:43] <jwarnier> I guess the zone is not a whole-root one, true?
[21:24:01] <jwarnier> i.e. it is a spare one
[21:24:06] <xinkeT> it needs to be in the global zone
[21:24:12] <jwarnier> s/spare/sparse/
[21:24:27] <xinkeT> but it also needs to be in the base_zone for good measure
[21:24:58] <xinkeT> actually no, I don't have it in any of my non-global zones
[21:25:00] <xinkeT> just the global
[21:25:17] <anilg> devzones setup complete
[21:25:32] <anilg> b134 based zones available to community
[21:25:41] <jwarnier> great!
[21:26:00] <jwarnier> but could someone answer my question about whole-root or sparse zones?
[21:26:13] <anilg> these are whole root zones
[21:26:23] <jwarnier> any technical reason for that?
[21:27:00] <anilg> Not sure.. but sparse zones are quite solaris/packaging specific
[21:27:01] <jwarnier> even if deduplication makes sparse less attractive those days
[21:27:09] <anilg> we'd need to redo the same for dpkg
[21:27:23] <anilg> that's the vague notion in my mind.. I dont have a definite reply
[21:27:24] <jwarnier> of course
[21:27:25] <xinkeT> I never create sparse zones under ncp
[21:27:40] <xinkeT> yeah, it would cause problems
[21:27:56] <jwarnier> but I thought that zones were limited under Nexenta because of packaging issues
[21:28:09] <jwarnier> if they are whole-root zones, I don't understand why
[21:28:42] <jwarnier> basically, sparse mean that /usr and some others are using the global-zone as loopback filesystems
[21:29:14] <jwarnier> so all packaging stuff should be aware of that, and /etc, etc... should be private to non-global zones
[21:29:28] <jwarnier> but I thing that Debian does it right, so that should be doable
[21:29:43] <jwarnier> and Nexenta would become a better Solaris than Solaris
[21:29:46] <jwarnier> ;-)
[21:30:18] <anilg> Now we need some policies to hand out devzones.. the older ones were sending out IRC spam
[21:30:36] <jwarnier> bots?
[21:32:05] <anilg> possibly.. we couldnt figure out the source
[21:32:25] <anilg> I didnt investigate much as the machine was to be reinstalled anyway
[21:32:43] <jwarnier> maybe just block ports with ipf?
[21:33:11] <jwarnier> lets says everything except ssh
[21:33:25] <jwarnier> s/says/say/
[21:33:55] <anilg> We do need nexybot in the room
[21:34:44] <jwarnier> what is it?
[21:35:48] <anilg> hang on.. I'm setting it up
[21:36:06] <anilg> it basically reports new content from nexenta website into the room
[21:36:20] <anilg> including news, issues, blogs, etc
[21:36:31] <anilg> it also answers simple commands
[21:36:38] <jwarnier> from Redmine or what?
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[21:38:53] <anilg> Hey nexybot
[21:39:02] <anilg> ~ping
[21:39:02] <nexybot> pong
[21:39:14] <anilg> ni 127
[21:39:26] <anilg> source hello
[21:39:31] <anilg> ~source hello
[21:39:31] <nexybot> anilg: (source takes no arguments) -- Returns a URL saying where to get Supybot.
[21:39:44] <anilg> hmm.. I've forgotten the commands
[21:39:52] <anilg> ~announce
[21:39:53] <nexybot> anilg: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[21:40:23] <anilg> ~announce
[21:40:23] <nexybot> anilg: (announce <text>) -- Sends <text> to all channels the bot is currently on and not lobotomized in.
[21:40:32] <anilg> ~announce nexentanews
[21:40:33] <nexybot> Announcement from my owner (botowner): nexentanews
[21:40:40] <reflect> anilg: shouldn't this be done in private? :)
[21:41:37] <anilg> reflect: hmm.. I'm only trying to get it to send news to IRC. Oh well.. I think it does it automatically from time to time
[21:41:56] <anilg> the setup is already done
[21:45:18] <jwarnier> another topic I would like to cover: wiki writing language
[21:45:33] <jwarnier> some article are written using something similar to HTML
[21:45:56] <jwarnier> but the syntax is not documented
[21:46:25] <jwarnier> and I feel it particularly difficult to modify (example: Porting_Codefixes)
[21:46:40] <jwarnier> am I missing something?
[21:47:10] <reflect> url, to your example?
[21:47:25] <jwarnier> http://www.nexenta.org/projects/site/wiki/Porting_Codefixes
[21:47:40] <anilg> jwarnier: the wiki syntax is quite simple.. and it's recommend that it is used
[21:47:51] <anilg> the systax also accepts raw html where need be
[21:47:51] <jwarnier> I know
[21:47:57] <jwarnier> but this one is not
[21:48:08] <anilg> the reason some of the articles are full HTMl is because they were copypasted from the earlier wiki
[21:48:18] <jwarnier> so they need a rewrite?
[21:48:23] <anilg> Correct
[21:48:39] <jwarnier> also, many links still point to the old wiki
[21:48:53] <jwarnier> /os/something
[21:49:13] <jwarnier> nobody volunteered to do that?
[21:49:27] <anilg> yes.. and the old site (/os/) is still up for google, and some obscure articles
[21:49:51] <anilg> I dont think we have need for it anymore as the new site has most of the useful content we need
[21:50:51] <jwarnier> not really
[21:51:00] <jwarnier> if you want my opinion
[21:51:11] <anilg> what content still needs to be moved?
[21:51:24] <jwarnier> the new one does not cover as much topics as the old one did
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[21:51:38] <jwarnier> I cannot tell you that right away
[21:51:43] <anilg> ok
[21:52:03] <anilg> perhaps we can create a bug and collaborate on moving all important things?
[21:52:10] <anilg> so we can EOL the old site
[21:52:22] <jwarnier> well, that would be a good start
[21:52:33] <anilg> writing the bug
[21:52:36] <jwarnier> but I don't volunteer on doing much about this
[21:53:09] <jwarnier> but I felt sad that I wanted to contribute the the Porting_Codefixes article and could not
[21:53:52] <jwarnier> BTW, about the bugs I found and did not yet report, I have some about file name encoding and GNU utilities
[21:54:01] <jwarnier> probably related to UTF8 and stuff
[21:54:30] <jwarnier> things like the following line:
[21:54:38] <jwarnier> /usr/sun/bin/find: stat() error /media/DATA/BACKUP/data/FILES/MRU/1- Projets/01- Pr-interne/2- Espace public/3- Verdurisation/2008- Quartiers Verts/TO: No such file or directory
[21:56:41] <anilg> ~bug 130
[21:56:41] <nexybot> anilg: http://www.nexenta.org/issues/130
[21:56:42] <Libertiny> Launchpad bug 130 in launchpad-foundations "Multiple paragraphs in DOAP project description field" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130
[21:57:06] <anilg> Who maintains Libertiny.. and why is he in this room?
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[22:08:46] <nexybot> New news from nexentaplanet: Thank you for the FUD -> return to sender <http://blogs.nexenta.org/blog/2010/04/02/thank-you-for-the-fud-return-to-sender/>
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