April 15, 2009 
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[00:02:38] *** RoyK has left ##nexenta[00:18:32] *** non has quit IRC[00:20:24] *** Maliuta has joined ##nexenta[00:20:25] <dorfo> codestr0m: i did it :] mplayer compiled[00:23:52] <dorfo> thx alot for the help mate[00:23:56] <dorfo> :][00:24:11] <dorfo> i have vanished the balstware repo here too[00:24:13] <dorfo> :][00:24:29] <dorfo> wicked :][00:26:00] *** olsner has quit IRC[00:32:28] *** Maliuta has quit IRC[00:33:10] *** Maliuta has joined ##nexenta[00:33:55] *** Maliuta has quit IRC[00:43:01] *** baitisj has joined ##nexenta[00:57:09] *** dorfo has quit IRC[00:58:21] *** dorfo has joined ##nexenta[01:06:39] *** rmod has quit IRC[01:09:16] *** rmod has joined ##nexenta[01:11:47] *** rmod has joined ##nexenta[01:13:45] *** rmod has quit IRC[01:14:17] *** rmod has joined ##nexenta[01:14:22] <[JT]> Anyone who has a XenServer (v5) handy might want to give this a go: ftp://linode.jdthomas.net/nexentacp2rc1.zip[01:14:51] <[JT]> I'd ask that you only download it if you have a XenServer; I do have some bandwidth limits and it's a large (~1GB) file.[01:14:56] <[JT]> :)[01:18:13] <JetForMe> rootard_away: you there?[01:32:26] *** rootard_away is now known as rootard[01:32:35] <rootard> Hey JetForMe, what's up?[01:33:02] <JetForMe> Just wondering where we stand on the EC2 effort. That instance is still up, but I'm leaving on Monday, thought I'd shut it down[01:33:16] <JetForMe> I dunno if you tried contacting EC2 about making our own kernel...[01:33:21] <JetForMe> BTW, Hi![01:35:16] <rootard> I haven't contacted them yet. Unless you are willing to go with a Nexenta zone (instead of a full-root env) then I can't say I would be able to get something working by Monday[01:35:16] *** alfism has joined ##nexenta[01:35:45] <JetForMe> Oh, no worries if we can't do it by then. I'm considering just setting it up temporarily on OpenSolaris[01:35:56] <JetForMe> I still haven't gotten static IPs[01:36:44] <rootard> We can always setup a Nexenta zone underneath the OpenSolaris global zone... then you'll have the best of both worlds[01:37:03] <JetForMe> More stuff for me to learn...[01:37:09] <JetForMe> how do I log into it?[01:37:28] <rootard> from the global zone you can just run "zlogin zone_name"[01:37:39] <JetForMe> okay, so I log into the global zone first gotcha[01:38:51] <JetForMe> probably just as easy for me to use opensolaris now, and we can do it right when i get back[01:39:08] <rootard> sounds like a sane idea[01:39:37] <JetForMe> holy crap, it's been up 8 days![01:39:53] <JetForMe> that's almost $20!![01:39:55] <JetForMe> hehe[01:39:56] <rootard> Time flies...[01:40:07] <JetForMe> indeed[01:40:07] <rootard> wow, and so does money[01:40:43] <JetForMe> what's the right way to halt a solaris box?[01:40:59] <rootard> init 5 is my poison of choice[01:41:25] <rootard> I usually restart (init 6) ... it's very rare that I halt a Solaris host :)[01:41:27] <JetForMe> not shutdown...?[01:41:37] <rootard> that can work as well[01:41:47] <JetForMe> i can never get the options right[01:41:55] <JetForMe> on my nexenta box, the man page doesn't match the tool[01:42:12] <rootard> manpages are such a pain[01:42:29] <JetForMe> heh[01:42:39] <JetForMe> they should be built in to the tool[01:42:49] <JetForMe> tool --man should output the man page text on stdout[01:43:28] <rootard> even better would be --rtfm[01:43:35] <JetForMe> heh[01:43:42] <JetForMe> h is spotty at best[01:44:12] <JetForMe> init 5 worked great[01:44:17] <JetForMe> so, "5" is halt?[01:44:21] <rootard> yeah, running things like killall/reboot and hoping -h works is a little interesting[01:44:49] <JetForMe> shutdown -g 0 5 or something like that hsould work. I never knew what state to use[01:44:53] <rootard> runlevel 5 is effectively halt. 6 is reboot[01:45:02] <JetForMe> i like the BSD (?) version better when you can jsut say "-h"[01:45:10] <JetForMe> (for "halt", not "help")[01:45:27] <rootard> yeah, "shutdown -h now" is forever imprinted on my DNA[01:45:33] <JetForMe> mine, too[01:45:42] <JetForMe> so, FYI[01:45:57] <JetForMe> $0.10 per Small Instance (m1.small) instance-hour (or partial hour) 196 Hrs 19.60[01:46:02] <JetForMe> $0.170 per GB Internet Data Transfer - first 10 TB / month data transfer out of Amazon EC2 0.061 GB 0.01[01:46:11] <JetForMe> $0.100 per GB Internet Data Transfer - all data transfer into Amazon EC2 0.576 GB 0.06[01:46:17] <JetForMe> $0.10 per GB-month of provisioned storage 2.625 GB-Mo 0.26[01:46:24] <JetForMe> $0.10 per 1 million I/O requests 94,192 IOs 0.01[01:46:37] <JetForMe> that's what this instance cost me, more-or-less[01:47:22] <rootard> interesting, just having the image up costs $72/mo[01:47:34] <JetForMe> unless you pay $325 in advance[01:47:37] <JetForMe> then it's $48/mo[01:48:16] <rootard> how does the partial instance-hour work? If I rebooted a vm 10 times in 1 hour, would I be charged 10 hours or 1?[01:48:25] <JetForMe> That's a great question![01:48:40] <JetForMe> I think if you reboot it, it's the same instance[01:48:46] <JetForMe> if you instantiate an image, that's a new hour[01:48:50] <Macer> hm. i need to install ftpd on my nexenta server when i get home[01:49:03] <Macer> i suppose i can do it from here but i am really lazy right now :)[01:49:11] <Macer> and i need to buy hot swap drive bays for it[01:49:16] <JetForMe> oh, also, I'm paying for S3 storage of our image.[01:49:21] <rootard> why ftp? http is just as good (better IMHO)[01:49:23] <JetForMe> $0.170 per GB - first 10 TB / month data transfer out 0.000019 GB 0.01[01:49:28] <JetForMe> $0.01 per 1,000 PUT, COPY, POST, or LIST requests 413 Requests 0.01[01:49:34] <JetForMe> $0.01 per 10,000 GET and all other requests 335 Requests 0.01[01:49:40] <JetForMe> $0.150 per GB - first 50 TB / month of storage used 0.578 GB-Mo 0.09[01:49:42] <Macer> rootard: i don't feel like going through a long drawn out apache setup[01:49:47] <Macer> even though i will eventually have to do that also[01:49:58] <rootard> the default should work out of the box afaik[01:50:05] <Macer> i was always a fan of zope+plone.. i might work on that[01:50:08] <JetForMe> My total bill, since I started, is $20.33, for everything, including the failed attempts at (accidentally) using the EU region[01:50:18] <rootard> JetForMe: it looks like you weren't hit too hard for transfer[01:50:21] <Macer> rootard: yeah.. but i want it encrypted with passwords[01:50:25] <JetForMe> yeah[01:50:26] <Macer> maybe i will set up a wiki[01:50:41] <Macer> or just use my zimbra install and use the briefcase[01:50:54] <Macer> even though briefcase access over my phone is a pain[01:51:07] <Macer> it doesn't work to tell you the truth.. i should look for a webdav app for android[01:51:17] <Macer> i recall zimbra having support for that[01:51:24] <Macer> never really tried it though[01:51:26] * rootard shudders at mention of webdav[01:51:42] * JetForMe shudders, too[01:51:46] <Macer> rootard: haha.. i know.. but it's a solution that would work and also allow for logins and encrypted connections[01:51:57] <Macer> over https[01:52:05] <Macer> sftp seems to go slow as hell on my phone[01:52:20] <rootard> probably the encryption overhead ?[01:52:29] <Macer> that is what i was thinking too[01:52:37] <Macer> but the G1 has a 528MHz arm[01:52:42] <rootard> in which case https will be as bad...[01:52:44] <Macer> that should be more than enough for the enc overhead[01:52:57] <Macer> so i am thinking it is the java apps[01:53:06] <rootard> it depends on what is on the cores...[01:53:14] <Macer> rootard: i honestly haven't tried it.. maybe i will try it out later[01:53:23] <Macer> and see how well https works over the phone[01:53:30] <rootard> I know the G1 is dual-core but the second core is only really good for voice processing[01:54:05] <Macer> well.. right now i just have it tetherred to my laptop and i'm going to download the stuff i want and use the usb cable on it to move it to the sd[01:54:13] <Macer> i should have just done this yesterday but forgot[01:54:33] <Macer> i am getting 80K/s over tmob now so it shouldn't take that long to download[01:54:56] <Macer> let me take a look and see if there is a webdav client for this thing[01:55:53] <Macer> nope heh[01:55:55] <rootard> JetForMe: sorry we couldn't get the stuff rolling faster. Hopefully a decent image will be available soon (ish)[01:56:01] <JetForMe> heh[01:56:12] <JetForMe> hopefully we can get some help from amazon[01:56:13] <Macer> on the brighter side of the day .. my zimbra bug was assigned[01:56:20] <Macer> hopefully it will be fixed before 2012[01:56:24] <Macer> :)[01:56:45] <Macer> they really should be ashamed to have had something that would work in ie7 but not ff or chrome or safari or whatever[01:57:02] <rootard> [JT]: I just mirrored your image to http://www.nexenta.org/~tim/jdthomas/nexentacp2rc1.zip[01:57:12] <rootard> no bandwidth limitations afaik[01:58:39] <rootard> Yeah, I hate stuff that is browser specific (especially specific to internet exploder)[01:59:38] <Macer> i think it was just a dev error[01:59:58] <Macer> the spreadsheet in zimbra wasn't editing correctly... you had to double click each individual cell[02:00:05] <Macer> but in ie it worked as though you were using excel[02:00:23] <Macer> if they fix it i can migrate the entire company over to zimbra and make cheap small low powered debian workstations with ff installed[02:00:44] <Macer> use nfs to keep the home dirs on the main nexenta server[02:00:54] <Macer> and set up an auth server too[02:01:14] <Macer> but i'm not sure how well the compatibility is with an auth server between linux and nexenta.. don't know exactly what i should use for it[02:01:16] <rootard> just make a zone on your fileserver[02:01:32] <rootard> ldap (and maybe even kerberos)[02:01:37] <Macer> for auth?[02:01:41] <rootard> yeah[02:02:19] <Macer> i tried ldap a while back and it was a nightmare[02:02:25] <rootard> Take a look at OpenDS. It's Java which means you will have some struggle running it under Nexenta but it's pretty easy to install and get replication going[02:02:46] <Macer> rootard: why can't i just export it with nfs?[02:03:07] <rootard> You can ... but you were asking for auth[02:03:12] <Macer> oh[02:03:24] <Macer> well.. i will have to read up on it[02:03:35] <Macer> would kerberos just be for the auth encryption?[02:03:41] <Macer> and ldap for the user dir?[02:04:03] <rootard> well, kerberos would be for nfs auth as well... otherwise nfs is just plain and clear over the wire[02:04:24] <Macer> ah.. so it would just handle the encryption for everything[02:04:30] <rootard> with Kerberos you can have different levels of protection ranging from integrity to full blown privacy[02:04:48] <Macer> i will have to read up on it[02:04:56] <Macer> i tried openldap a while ago just for auth and it was a failure[02:05:07] <rootard> yeah, it's the kerberos part which is tougher... not the ldap part :)[02:05:09] <Macer> between fbsd and linux.. it was discouraging[02:05:39] <Macer> and i can't add over 100 users to each individual box.. that would be heartbreaking :)[02:05:51] <rootard> For Solaris/OpenSolaris you will want to create profile in your ldap server... then you can easily join Solaris clients[02:05:57] <rootard> Linux should work just fine against it[02:06:07] <rootard> normal pam+ldap config[02:06:24] <rootard> and OpenDS is cake to install once you have a working java installation[02:06:30] <Macer> yeah. when i tried that in fbsd i somehow managed to screw up pam and auth didn't work[02:06:37] <Macer> required me to boot a disc and repair it like that[02:06:50] <Macer> since it couldn't auth root locally anymore :)[02:07:04] <Macer> still don't know how i managed to do that[02:07:31] <Macer> guessing nexenta doesn't have a working java install by default? :)[02:08:00] <rootard> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/585 <-- ignore the OpenLDAP specific parts and Linux should be do-able[02:08:25] <rootard> Macer: I packaged the sun-java6 stuff but it's rough around the edges (like X)[02:08:36] <Macer> heh[02:08:45] <Macer> well.. X isn't something i would probably want to run on a server ;)[02:09:03] <Macer> but it would be interesting to use nexenta as a desktop.. but right now that isn't looking like a reality[02:09:11] <Macer> especially since i was working with a picoatx[02:09:18] <Macer> which uses a C7.. the boot disc wouldn't even work[02:09:21] <rootard> it's not for desktop functionality that I worry about X.[02:09:38] <Macer> just got sent to a grub cli[02:09:56] <rootard> fun[02:10:00] <Macer> heh[02:10:10] <Macer> i wanted to see if it would work as a desktop.. but didn't get too far[02:10:33] <Macer> i could always take the shuttle route.. there are some pretty small shuttles out there.. or maybe something running an atom[02:10:53] <Macer> but the artigo is extremely small and uses a very low amount of power.. although i'm sure the others would also (especially the atom)[02:10:57] <Macer> shuttle maybe not so much[02:11:19] <Macer> K45s are small but they use core2duos.. which would defeat the purpose of the proof of concept i'm working on :)[02:11:36] <Macer> which would be total elimination of all ms products in a coorperate enviroment and total collaboration using zimbra[02:11:55] <Macer> all office work being done in the zimbra web client[02:12:14] <Macer> and considering how well nexenta is working as a server it is very possible[02:13:18] <Macer> rootard: thanks. awesome article[02:13:30] <Macer> concept is the same for nexenta?[02:13:52] <rootard> no, you'll want to look at the Solaris ldapclient command[02:14:38] <Macer> why ldapclient?[02:14:42] <rootard> thought there is a pam/ldap way of doing things, I use the automation of ldapclient to get things right.[02:14:51] <Macer> i wanted the nexenta box to be the actual auth server[02:15:20] <rootard> well, Nexenta doesn't need to auth to ldap in order to serve ldap[02:16:50] <Macer> do you have an article for osol that shows how to set up the ldap+pam server?[02:17:04] <Macer> i can work on kerberos once i get the actual ldap going on the box[02:17:44] <rootard> Not handy. I'd Google it or look for specific Sun documentation[02:17:56] <Macer> ok... i will. thanks for the help[02:19:15] <rootard> no prob. Good luck with it :)[02:34:25] *** alfism has quit IRC[02:41:11] *** rootard is now known as rootard_away[02:56:56] <[JT]> rootard - thanks for the mirror.[02:58:08] <[JT]> rootard_away, that is. :)[03:07:10] *** Bartman007 has quit IRC[03:10:54] *** Bartman007 has joined ##nexenta[03:13:22] *** proteusguy has joined ##nexenta[03:36:30] *** JetForMe has quit IRC[03:59:07] *** baitisj has quit IRC[04:06:41] *** JetForMe has joined ##nexenta[04:07:17] *** taltamir has quit IRC[04:08:06] *** JetForMe_ has joined ##nexenta[04:08:57] *** taltamir has joined ##nexenta[04:10:18] *** tsukasa__ has joined ##nexenta[04:13:12] *** taltamir has quit IRC[04:15:03] *** taltamir has joined ##nexenta[04:16:39] *** randybias has joined ##nexenta[04:25:18] *** tsukasa` has quit IRC[04:30:01] *** JetForMe has quit IRC[04:34:45] *** taltamir has quit IRC[04:36:54] *** taltamir has joined ##nexenta[04:36:56] *** dorfo1 has joined ##nexenta[04:45:02] *** cto_nz has joined ##nexenta[04:46:09] *** cto_nz has joined ##nexenta[04:47:44] *** dorfo has quit IRC[04:51:38] *** dorfo1 has quit IRC[05:12:54] <cto_nz> does anyone know the status/chances of having snv_105+ so as to be able to get crossbow as well?[05:13:02] <cto_nz> in ncp2[05:48:42] *** bobahPhD has joined ##nexenta[06:06:57] *** JetForMe_ has quit IRC[06:21:39] <SockPants> hello[06:21:45] <SockPants> how does one change the hardware time?[06:24:00] <SockPants> nvm, date :) ty[06:24:06] *** SockPants has left ##nexenta[06:27:15] *** cto_nz has quit IRC[06:30:03] *** gork has joined ##nexenta[06:30:45] <gork> hello; is there any workaround for the ncurses bug in NCP2 that currently plagues aptitude, for instance?[06:31:42] <gork> where it does not accept input... I have tried it via various terminal types and via ssh and X[06:32:17] *** JetForMe has joined ##nexenta[06:34:44] <gork> hmm i downgraded to ncurses 5.5 package and it works albeit with dependency complaints[06:37:33] *** nprice has joined ##nexenta[06:47:57] *** proteusguy has quit IRC[07:06:12] *** randybia has joined ##nexenta[07:08:23] *** nprice has quit IRC[07:10:22] *** randybia_ has joined ##nexenta[07:10:34] *** proteusguy has joined ##nexenta[07:16:32] *** gork has quit IRC[07:21:57] *** anilg has joined ##nexenta[07:24:21] *** eXeC001er has joined ##nexenta[07:27:04] <eXeC001er> Where to look the description of options of a kernel at loading?[07:27:20] *** randybia has quit IRC[07:37:51] *** lesterc has joined ##nexenta[07:46:46] <JetForMe> rootard_away: you there?[07:48:58] *** randybia_ has quit IRC[07:49:40] *** synan has joined ##nexenta[07:54:29] *** databeestje__ has joined ##nexenta[08:07:40] *** randybias has quit IRC[08:20:25] *** olsner has joined ##nexenta[08:23:14] *** bobahPhD has left ##nexenta[08:23:48] *** bobahPhD has joined ##nexenta[08:42:03] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[08:45:41] *** master_of_master has joined ##nexenta[09:12:46] *** fserve has joined ##nexenta[09:30:02] *** serg_ has joined ##nexenta[09:30:11] *** serg_ has left ##nexenta[09:33:18] *** cookie has joined ##nexenta[09:33:43] *** sh4rk has joined ##nexenta[09:33:51] <cookie> test[09:34:48] <anilg> it works! :)[09:38:41] *** dtbartle has left ##nexenta[09:38:55] *** dtbartle has joined ##nexenta[09:43:24] *** non has joined ##nexenta[09:44:08] <sh4rk> whats the general thoughts on 2rc1 ? i'd like to have hardy instead of dapper but not sure how stable 2rc1 is considered?[09:46:43] *** olsner has quit IRC[09:57:19] *** lesterc has quit IRC[10:01:53] <fserve> hey, does anyone here know how to do a redirect for a command?[10:02:01] <fserve> like[10:02:28] <fserve> echo lol > date +%A_%d_$HOSTNAME_`whoami`[10:03:28] <dtbartle> use | instead of >[10:03:43] <fserve> hmm, how?[10:03:47] <dtbartle> or maybe i don't understand[10:03:50] <fserve> i want to make a redirect[10:04:06] <fserve> i want to save 'lol' in the file with that date[10:04:41] <dtbartle> oh[10:04:48] <dtbartle> echo lol > $(date +%A_%d_$HOSTNAME_$(whoami))[10:05:06] <dtbartle> this works in at least bash[10:05:30] <fserve> thank you[10:06:58] *** JetForMe has quit IRC[10:07:09] <fserve> $HOSTNAME need be in the end :)[10:07:19] *** JetForMe has joined ##nexenta[10:09:33] <fserve> dtbartle,[10:09:37] <fserve> one more question[10:09:59] <fserve> do you know how to use du -h just to list directories with more then X MB ?[10:10:27] *** RoyK has joined ##nexenta[10:13:40] *** proteusguy has quit IRC[10:14:14] *** taltamir has quit IRC[10:14:50] <dtbartle> fserve: no[10:14:56] <fserve> : ([10:15:02] <fserve> btw, very thank ya[10:15:05] <dtbartle> np[10:18:04] <databeestje__> fserve: du -sh * |grep M[10:18:08] <databeestje__> fserve: du -sh * |grep G[10:18:35] <anilg> sh4rk: it's RC.. so fairly stable.[10:24:44] *** anilg is now known as anilg_away[10:27:16] <non> anyone experienced in running nc2 rc1 in virtualbox or qemu?[10:27:54] <non> many new users will first try virtualization.... and it is not working yet[10:30:37] <non> du | sort -n | less[10:34:57] *** proteusguy has joined ##nexenta[10:36:14] <synan> non: not working in what way if I may ask? no experience, just wondering.. was hoping to try it in virtualbox aswell[10:41:12] <non> install-cd boots and starts but not completes[10:42:49] <non> copying takes extremly long.. 0% .... go get some tea .... 3% .... finished... installation is broken[10:44:08] <non> i tried virtualbox with "opensolaris" and "unknown" schema and qemu[10:45:03] <non> on launchpad bugs are reported also with vmware... but no solution is provided[10:46:10] <synan> hm, too bad :/[10:47:05] <non> i hoped to find a slim alternative to opensolaris...[10:47:23] <non> is there a current milax?[10:47:25] <non> :)[10:49:31] <non> milax 0.3-3 is b105 based... even more current than nc2 rc1[11:08:26] <sh4rk> anyone here using backuppc under nexenta with gzip compression?[11:08:58] *** fserve has quit IRC[11:14:27] *** proteusguy has quit IRC[11:15:12] *** proteusguy has joined ##nexenta[11:31:12] *** databeestje__ has quit IRC[11:32:02] *** non has quit IRC[11:46:43] *** andy_js has joined ##nexenta[11:49:46] *** anilg has joined ##nexenta[12:06:40] *** sh4rk has quit IRC[12:08:25] *** anilg_away has quit IRC[12:12:49] <codestr0m> afternoon![12:27:30] *** scf- has joined ##nexenta[12:27:33] <scf-> hi[12:27:47] <scf-> is there a changes list for nexenta 2 compated to 1?[12:29:58] *** dabbtech_ has quit IRC[12:43:30] *** anilg has quit IRC[12:51:27] *** rootard_away is now known as rootard[12:54:57] <rootard> codestr0m: morning[12:55:11] <codestr0m> Hej rootard[12:55:24] <rootard> scf-: there are a lot of changes... too many to list concisely.[12:55:38] <scf-> rootard: hehe[13:20:41] *** proteusguy has quit IRC[13:23:52] *** gork has joined ##nexenta[13:23:58] *** anilg has joined ##nexenta[13:24:50] *** Dorfo has joined ##nexenta[13:25:57] *** gork has quit IRC[13:27:32] *** rootard is now known as rootard_away[13:42:18] *** proteusguy has joined ##nexenta[13:43:14] *** sping_ has joined ##nexenta[13:45:05] <sping_> hello. i'm wondering why nexenta iso images are zipped if the gain in sizes is so small. are you aware that people need twice the discspace to burn a disc image due to this practice?[13:46:29] <sping_> i mean does a gain of 7MB from 506MB down to 499MB really matter?[13:49:30] *** andy_js has quit IRC[13:50:05] *** andy_js has joined ##nexenta[13:50:17] <anilg> sping_: the zipping isnt done to save space.. zip has inbuilt checksumming, so it is to ensure that the file downloaded correctly[13:50:49] <anilg> (only a small percentage of users ckech md5sum)[13:50:53] <anilg> check*[13:50:59] <Dorfo> i do anilg[13:51:02] <Dorfo> ehehhe[13:51:24] <Dorfo> but in anyways it would not interfere even the hashing being different[13:52:09] <Dorfo> just putting the hash with md5 or sha's its ok i think like all other distros does[13:52:34] <sping_> anilg: at least that's a point, yes[13:54:21] <Dorfo> sping_: it is an argument[13:54:21] <Dorfo> it just not justifies the zipping[13:54:21] <Dorfo> it will only generate a different hash[14:04:34] <sping_> Dorfo: i agree it's arguable but the point is that the unzip operation makes at least a single checksum verifiction unavoidable. that's how i understood anilg.[14:05:16] <anilg> right.. a verification is done automatically[14:08:24] <sping_> i'm just running the 2.0rc1 installer. it asks me to choose a disk that it will auto-partition completely. i have prepared partitions in advance. is there no way to install to just my two partitions? i have other os'es installed on other partitions that i still need.[14:09:47] <anilg> sping_: NCP2 currently takes the whole disk[14:10:47] <Dorfo> i havent tested the iso yeto, as i talked to anilg yesterday ... i need to install it over a usb stick to make it bootable through usb. As i am looking to install over a netbook[14:11:14] <Dorfo> So i cant help with this i am using indiana here[14:11:36] <anilg> Dorfo: were you looking to use NCP as a desktop?[14:12:37] <sping_> anilg: that's surprising, shocking, disappointing. i guess i'll come back next year.[14:13:18] <Dorfo> anilg: yeah for studying purposes too[14:13:37] <Dorfo> as i am a bit new to solaris env[14:13:49] <anilg> Well NCP is more targeted towards the server..[14:13:50] <Dorfo> but i am dealing ok with osol[14:13:55] <Dorfo> i know[14:14:05] <Dorfo> but its more customizable[14:14:11] <anilg> for a netbook I'd recommned netbook linuxes, or maybe indiana[14:14:24] *** sping_ has left ##nexenta[14:15:13] <Dorfo> anilg: yeah i am using indiana here[14:17:10] <Dorfo> ppl recommended to take a look over ncp[14:18:22] <Dorfo> and it comes with gnu tools[14:19:26] *** GHReyes has joined ##nexenta[14:22:57] *** dabbtech_ has joined ##nexenta[14:28:16] *** dabbtech_ has quit IRC[14:37:19] <GHReyes> ..[14:39:06] <GHReyes> eXeC001er: finally i have xorg into NCP 1.x[14:39:14] <GHReyes> :D[14:39:45] <GHReyes> apt-clone -s dist-upgrade works fine ![14:41:29] <GHReyes> thanks to you, anilg, Dorfo and another guys for help me.[14:47:01] <Dorfo> GHReyes: no problem man i didnt do anything.. i think other guys helped you alot more than me[14:47:03] <Dorfo> ;)[14:47:38] *** RoyK has left ##nexenta[15:08:25] *** anilg is now known as anilg_away[15:28:06] *** synan has quit IRC[15:41:35] <codestr0m> Dorfo: still have issues?[15:42:31] <Dorfo> codestr0m: nope[15:42:39] <Dorfo> thanks alot mate[15:43:20] <Dorfo> i did yesterday and i have made some modifications in the configure script[15:43:23] <Dorfo> and then...[15:43:25] *** non has joined ##nexenta[15:43:38] <Dorfo> 'then there were none' --> exodus eheheh[15:44:09] <Dorfo> everything working ok, besides the wifi, but i have ordered a usb dongle with a working chip[15:47:23] *** eXeC001er has quit IRC[15:59:08] *** proteusguy has quit IRC[16:02:59] *** cookie has quit IRC[16:10:10] <GHReyes> Dorfo: what wifi you have'[16:10:25] <GHReyes> ?[16:15:23] <Dorfo> a broadCRAP 4312[16:15:30] <Dorfo> ndiswrapper sux[16:15:46] <Dorfo> it doesnt even work with any security mecanims[16:15:51] <Dorfo> no authentication[16:15:59] <Dorfo> and no support for AES[16:16:03] <Dorfo> cuz wep is crap[16:16:12] <Dorfo> WPA2-Enterprise is intended to use[16:16:19] <Dorfo> so it doesnt work for me[16:16:35] <Dorfo> i ordered a D-Link WUA-1340[16:17:31] *** proteusguy has joined ##nexenta[16:18:03] *** codestr0m is now known as codestr0m|afk[16:18:50] <Dorfo> *mecanisms[16:21:44] <GHReyes> BCM4312 only works open or WEP[16:21:53] <GHReyes> I have a 4311...[16:21:56] <GHReyes> :/[16:22:17] <Dorfo> open or WEP is same shit[16:22:18] <Dorfo> hehehe[16:22:55] <GHReyes> i dont undestand, under Ubuntu works fine with WPA2[16:23:17] <Dorfo> cuz in ubuntu have a firmware upgrade os something[16:23:27] <GHReyes> ndiswrapper![16:23:31] <Dorfo> the support is quite different and more 'mature' with these[16:23:35] <Dorfo> i know[16:23:41] <Dorfo> but it works differently[16:23:48] <Dorfo> hal is different[16:24:05] <GHReyes> yes![16:24:18] <Dorfo> but i prefer to use real systems[16:24:22] <Dorfo> i think ubuntu is great[16:24:33] <GHReyes> D-Link WUA-1340 is an atheros?[16:24:39] <Dorfo> but intended for educational and as a 'open-mind' wall breaker lnx[16:24:43] <Dorfo> nope[16:24:50] <Dorfo> its ralink based chip[16:24:57] <GHReyes> okey[16:25:16] <Dorfo> i like lnx for education use only[16:25:20] <Dorfo> my mom uses ubuntu[16:25:20] <Dorfo> ehehe[16:25:29] <GHReyes> D-Link use atheros ralink and texas instrument...[16:25:44] <Dorfo> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/wireless_driver_compatible_list/[16:25:53] <Dorfo> here you can take a look[16:28:41] <Dorfo> i want to buy that opensolaris bible[16:28:48] <Dorfo> but i dont have international cc[16:28:52] <Dorfo> or paypal...[16:29:00] <Dorfo> i am a stoneage man[16:29:01] <Dorfo> ehehe[16:29:14] <Dorfo> well brb[16:29:17] <Dorfo> lunch time[16:30:43] *** andy_js has quit IRC[16:31:11] *** non has quit IRC[16:31:45] <Dorfo> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22682[16:31:46] <Dorfo> :][16:31:55] <GHReyes> Dorfo: opensolaris bible???[16:32:12] <Dorfo> yeah[16:32:20] <Dorfo> this link have a dongle[16:32:26] <Dorfo> which works apprently[16:32:30] <Dorfo> and its very cheap[16:32:34] <Dorfo> ... well brb[16:36:42] <GHReyes> Dorfo: link?[16:49:59] <GHReyes> Dorfo: do you paste your source.list ?[17:00:28] *** anilg_away has quit IRC[17:00:53] *** bobahPhD has quit IRC[17:03:23] *** pattwo has joined ##nexenta[17:04:21] *** anilg has joined ##nexenta[17:04:46] *** tsukasa__ is now known as tsukasa[17:18:27] *** andy_js has joined ##nexenta[17:30:41] <Dorfo> GHReyes: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22682[17:33:51] *** taltamir has joined ##nexenta[18:00:24] *** alfism has joined ##nexenta[18:05:34] <GHReyes> Dorfo: nice and cheap ![18:06:13] <GHReyes> Dorfo: i must remove older checkpoints, but i confuse[18:06:37] <GHReyes> rootfs-nmu-001 Nexenta core[18:06:57] <GHReyes> rootfs-nmu-000 Upgrade Checkpoint[18:19:40] *** baitisj has joined ##nexenta[18:21:57] *** proteusguy has quit IRC[18:32:10] *** randybias has joined ##nexenta[18:41:45] *** proteusguy has joined ##nexenta[18:50:13] *** alfism has quit IRC[18:50:54] *** anilg has quit IRC[19:00:25] *** non has joined ##nexenta[19:11:14] *** drajen has joined ##nexenta[19:14:33] *** JetForMe has quit IRC[19:15:23] *** JetForMe has joined ##nexenta[19:16:01] *** JetForMe has quit IRC[19:17:28] *** JetForMe has joined ##nexenta[19:25:05] *** JetForMe_ has joined ##nexenta[19:25:12] *** JetForMe has quit IRC[19:25:56] *** JetForMe_ has quit IRC[19:27:10] *** randybias is now known as randybias|away[19:27:41] *** JetForMe has joined ##nexenta[19:35:54] *** JetForMe has quit IRC[19:36:44] *** pattwo has quit IRC[19:43:49] *** MrSteveman1 has quit IRC[19:46:23] *** 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I am from Russia. Sorry.[20:10:48] *** taltamir has quit IRC[20:10:55] <[JT]> No problem. :) My Russian is terrible.[20:11:54] <[JT]> I'll make a smaller image and post it in the next couple of days - I'll also note the space requirement in the README. Thanks for the tips.[20:14:08] <eXeC001er> I will understand why at me it has not turned out to make in the manual. I have reinstalled NCP anew.[20:15:08] <[JT]> Great - please post your discoveries to the thread on my blog; that information will be useful to other people.[20:15:26] <eXeC001er> ok.[20:15:31] <[JT]> Thanks![20:15:56] <eXeC001er> why password for root in your templates?[20:16:58] <[JT]> Sorry - I don't understand; are you asking why there is no password? As it is, I think it's blank.[20:17:43] <eXeC001er> yes, password is blank.[20:17:59] <[JT]> I was re-considering that last night; I should set a password. It's bad of me to leave it blank.[20:18:03] <[JT]> I'll change that.[20:22:00] <[JT]> But, please change the password on your installation as soon as possible. Use "passwd" to do so. I am certain you know that, but just in case you did not. :)[20:28:39] <Dorfo> eXeC001er: which part of Russia?[20:33:02] *** randybias|away is now known as randybias[20:33:59] *** andy_js has quit IRC[20:37:19] <eXeC001er> Krasnodar territory[20:38:21] *** RoyK has joined ##nexenta[20:39:12] <pthread_> cool. I'd really like to come visit that area some day. maybe climb elbrus[20:39:21] *** omar has joined ##nexenta[20:46:36] *** olsner has joined ##nexenta[20:46:54] <Dorfo> eXeC001er: i know a chick from Sterlitamak[20:47:29] <Dorfo> that is why i asked ehehe[21:03:39] *** RoyK has quit IRC[21:13:03] *** randybias has quit IRC[21:17:26] *** proteusguy has quit IRC[21:17:56] *** omar has left ##nexenta[21:24:39] *** JetForMe has joined ##nexenta[21:35:10] *** proteusguy has joined ##nexenta[21:39:07] <drajen> is http://www.nexenta.org/os/NexentaXenDom0 still applicable to ncp2rc1?[21:54:56] <xinkeT> no, I believe ncp2 is still missing key packages necessary for Dom0[21:59:11] *** eXeC001er has quit IRC[22:01:52] <drajen> ok thx, I'll hold my horses.[22:11:14] *** Dorfo has left ##nexenta[22:21:20] *** rootard_away is now known as rootard[22:40:05] <JetForMe> rootard: hey there[22:40:16] <rootard> Hey JetForMe[22:40:22] <JetForMe> how's it going?[22:40:36] <rootard> it's another day... you?[22:41:30] <JetForMe> same same[22:41:46] <JetForMe> I as going to submit a support request to Amazon about doing our own kernel and ramdisk images[22:43:00] *** non has quit IRC[22:44:56] <JetForMe> Okay, I said I was working with you guys to create AMIs, and we needed to be able to create kernel and ramdisk images. Hopefully they'll help us.[22:46:04] <rootard> I would be surprised if they didn't.[22:47:12] <rootard> I'm not quite sure why they don't allow you to provide your own anyway... maybe it's a matter of space? security? ... dunno[22:47:37] <JetForMe> My guess is they haven't build the tools yet[22:47:46] <JetForMe> although, maybe they need to approve the kernels before release[22:48:55] <JetForMe> so, a related question: last night I was trying to create a new osol-based image for my own needs (although, it turns out my colo situation will last through july, due to a contract). after booting hte instance, I tried to attach the EBS volume I made before (for the one we were working on)[22:49:29] <JetForMe> the device was attached, but when I tried to create a pool from it, zfs recognized that it was already zet up, and wouldn't destroy it[22:50:09] <JetForMe> So, my question is, how can I mount that pool on a running OS? As a general rule, I want my instances to come up and automatically mount the volume, but I only know how to attach the device using ec2 commands after the instance is up[22:50:33] <JetForMe> so, as a first step, if the OS is up, and the device is attached after booting is done, how do I integrate the pool & filesystems on the device?[22:51:14] *** chrol has joined ##nexenta[22:51:38] <rootard> I guess you are talking about the clone that is made from the running system?[22:51:54] <rootard> If so, I don't think you can import it because it has the same pool id as the running pool[22:52:39] <JetForMe> well, let's say for argument's sake I can create a new pool from scratch (I ended up forcing the pool creation, destroying hte old pool)[22:53:04] <JetForMe> but when nexenta boots, how does it attach an existing device & pool?[22:54:28] <rootard> the boot archive contains /etc/zfs/zpool.cache from the last time boot_archive was created[22:55:01] <rootard> that file tells the OS what pools were imported and I think (maybe) contains some device info[22:55:05] <JetForMe> hmm[22:55:13] <JetForMe> if I have a machine with a zfs pool on a removable device[22:55:19] <JetForMe> and it reboots without that device[22:55:29] <JetForMe> and then i attach that device, how does the pool/fs get mounted?[22:55:48] <JetForMe> maybe we can think about hot-swappable drives, because that's teh closest thing, I think[22:55:48] <rootard> it doesn't... unles you manually import it[22:56:02] <JetForMe> ah, so you have to "import" a device/pool/fs[22:56:06] <JetForMe> is that a fast operation?[22:56:19] <rootard> yeah, it's fairly quick: zpool import[22:56:36] <rootard> zpool import tells you what the os thinks it can import[22:56:49] <rootard> "zpool import <pool|id>" will actually import the pool[22:56:59] <JetForMe> hmm[22:57:22] <JetForMe> okay, let me try to instantiate another, and see if we can attach the existing volume[22:58:59] *** chrol has quit IRC[22:59:17] *** chrol has joined ##nexenta[22:59:59] *** GHReyes is now known as GHR_og[23:00:04] *** GHR_og is now known as GHR_off[23:02:32] <chrol> Is there anyway to show a description of an apt upgrade other than the name and version of package?[23:07:08] <rootard> chrol: what do you mean? What information are you looking for?[23:08:06] <chrol> E.g. I just did an apt-get upgrade which updated my nexenta-lu from 104-2 to 104-3. It would be nice to be able to get a changelog before applying[23:10:50] <rootard> I don't know of a way to do that... and it seems the changelogs are not part of the apt repository scheme[23:12:41] <rootard> There are changes available though: http://apt.nexenta.org/dists/hardy-unstable/installed/[23:13:00] <rootard> however, it's not a stable interface[23:16:34] *** mphill has left ##nexenta[23:28:37] <JetForMe> rootard: import works[23:28:43] <JetForMe> i've been having this other problem[23:29:01] <JetForMe> I tried to create two filesystems on my new pool, and then set their mountpoints[23:29:05] <JetForMe> one was set to /home, the other to /data[23:29:24] <JetForMe> the /home one gives me all sorts of grief, saying mountpoint or dataset is busy[23:29:30] <JetForMe> it mounted /data no problem[23:29:44] <rootard> svcadm disable autofs[23:29:51] <JetForMe> what is that?[23:29:57] <rootard> the automounter[23:30:18] <JetForMe> how is it interfering?[23:30:28] <rootard> The other alternative is to remove /home from /etc/auto_master[23:30:33] <rootard> and restart autofs[23:30:48] <JetForMe> oh, does /home already exist?[23:30:59] <rootard> yeah, and it's a mountpoint for autofs[23:31:03] <JetForMe> ah![23:31:20] <JetForMe> so, i want my user home dirs to persist[23:31:36] <JetForMe> which means they have to live on an EBS volume[23:31:56] <JetForMe> i guess the image we create should have a modified /etc/auto_master?[23:32:21] <rootard> or a disabled autofs :) ... either way works[23:32:35] <JetForMe> we might want that for other functionality, though, right?[23:32:50] <rootard> the other possibility is to use /export/home[23:33:00] <rootard> if that doesn't bother you[23:33:17] <rootard> not unless you have other nfs automounts[23:33:18] <JetForMe> well, it's already a directory in the image's ephemeral filesystem[23:33:46] <rootard> it's ok if the directory exists[23:33:58] <JetForMe> if I do "svcadm disable autofs", and then package up the image, and boot a new instance, will autofs run on launch?[23:34:00] <rootard> it just can't be an existing mountpoint[23:34:10] <rootard> it better not[23:34:29] <JetForMe> i guess the other way to ask that is: is svcadm persistent?[23:34:41] <rootard> yes[23:34:45] <JetForMe> ok[23:35:08] <JetForMe> another problem I was having was figuring out how to launch mysqld via svcs with a pointer to the my.cnf file I want it to use[23:35:17] <JetForMe> again, the mysql data dir needs to be on an EBS volume[23:35:43] <JetForMe> this gets more difficult because of the need to attach the EBS volume before the OS can get at it[23:36:04] <JetForMe> I think there's no reason a script on the system itself can't do that[23:36:04] <rootard> the volume is not imported by default?[23:36:13] <rootard> ah... maybe not because of the boot_archive[23:36:15] <rootard> ok[23:36:16] <JetForMe> well, it requires the AWS credentials[23:36:29] <JetForMe> and two instances can't mount the same EBS device, i'm fairly sure[23:36:51] <JetForMe> since you can launch as many instances of an image as you want, i don't think the image can just blindly try to attach the EBS volume[23:37:12] <rootard> ok, so the way I would approach this is with a script that just mounts up the volume[23:37:21] <JetForMe> admittedly, there should be a way of saying, "launch n instances and mount n EBS volumes as devices 2,3,4, etc"[23:37:22] <rootard> smf supports legacy init scripts[23:37:44] <rootard> then that script can call another script that you keep on the EBS volume...[23:38:06] <JetForMe> there's stll the issue of matching instances with EBS volumes[23:38:08] <rootard> that secondary script is then easy to edit to taste[23:38:39] <rootard> do you have to manually attach the volume from within the instance?[23:38:43] <JetForMe> http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/latest/DeveloperGuide/index.html?ebs-overview.html[23:38:50] <JetForMe> either within the instance, or outside it[23:39:18] <JetForMe> if you do it within, though, that means the instance image has to store the AWS credentials, and will always try to mount the same specific EBS volume, which would break if you tried to launch 2 instances.[23:40:42] <rootard> oy[23:41:32] <rootard> ok, so it sounds like you want to attach it from outside and then run some init script once attached[23:41:47] <JetForMe> i think so[23:42:06] <JetForMe> like i said, i wish you could attach at the time the instance is created, so it's there early[23:42:08] *** funkychicken818 has joined ##nexenta[23:42:25] <JetForMe> in fact, that seems so useful, it's time to ask about that on the forums[23:42:29] <rootard> is there a way to create the instance but not boot it?[23:42:39] <JetForMe> not to my knowledge[23:42:47] *** funkychicken818 has left ##nexenta[23:42:58] <JetForMe> when you create it, it's in "pending" state for a few minutes until it switches to "running"[23:43:12] <JetForMe> I think that is the time it takes to set up the VM, and copy the image from S3[23:43:19] <rootard> during the pending stage, can you attach the volume?[23:43:25] <JetForMe> no, i wasn't able to[23:43:35] * rootard nods[23:43:51] <JetForMe> which is why I speculate as I did above about the stages[23:43:53] <rootard> if there isn't a good answer on the forum then I would say just write a quick script[23:43:59] <JetForMe> yeah[23:44:37] <JetForMe> it would just be nice if I could issue one command to create an instance (and tell it the EBS volumes to attach), and then it could automatically do the rest from there[23:44:48] <JetForMe> having to wait several minutes between steps is a PITA[23:45:59] <rootard> again, I would say you could script it... and just poll the status in the script[23:46:19] <JetForMe> yeah[23:46:29] *** taltamir has joined ##nexenta[23:46:30] <[JT]> has anyone else noticed that grep doesn't appear to work right in NCP2 RC1? Whenever I try to do a recursive search, it just hangs.[23:46:32] * rootard grinds teeth on recommending a polling solution[23:47:07] <JetForMe> just more fragile. I'd like to issue the command, close the lid to my MBP, take with me as I drive to work, wake it up there, and connect to my newly-running server :-)[23:47:15] <rootard> [JT]: recursive search in where?[23:47:19] <[JT]> I have an error that I'm trying to track down: "Failed to configure IPv4 DHCP interface(s): rtls0" I know why I'm getting it, but I can't find the configuration file where that interface is specified.[23:47:28] <[JT]> \/etc[23:47:41] <rootard> /etc/dhcp.rtls0[23:47:48] <[JT]> seriously.[23:47:51] <[JT]> Ugh.[23:47:54] <rootard> :)[23:48:24] <[JT]> Now I just feel dumb. :)[23:48:31] <rootard> recursive grep in /etc has always hung for me under Solaris. I think there is a loop in there but I can't remember[23:48:32] *** RoyK has joined ##nexenta[23:48:42] <rootard> I usually find . -type f[23:48:52] *** taltamir has quit IRC[23:48:54] <[JT]> Good to know I'm not the only one. :)[23:49:05] *** taltamir has joined ##nexenta[23:49:15] <[JT]> I'l' try that find command next time - thanks.[23:49:16] <rootard> We all have our moments :)[23:49:38] <rootard> Sometimes I think I have more than most...[23:49:50] *** proteusguy has quit IRC[23:50:07] <rootard> JetForMe: screen on a server "somewhere" FTW :)[23:50:21] <JetForMe> heh[23:50:25] <rootard> of course, that may mean you need a small amazon instance to manage your instances[23:50:26] <JetForMe> damn screen again[23:51:35] <rootard> if you really want to be hackish you could setup a small php script to send an init script to your instances[23:51:49] <rootard> then customize the output based on which instance is calling home[23:53:06] <JetForMe> i really want *not* to be hackish[23:53:08] <JetForMe> :-)[23:53:24] <rootard> wget http://example.com/instance_init.php?`hostname` -O /tmp/instance_init;chmod +x /tmp/instance_init;/tmp/instance_init :)[23:53:43] <JetForMe> i think ssh would probably work better, no?[23:54:59] <rootard> perhaps, then you need cleartext credentials in your instance[23:55:07] <JetForMe> or the keys[23:55:19] <rootard> ... which are not password protected[23:56:24] <JetForMe> i mean, i only need the one half of the key on the server, under a user with privs to do what needs to be done (root?), and those keys can be protected on the server, and then my half here (private here, I guess), also protected under my own access[23:57:40] <rootard> I was working under the idea to automate the instance boot process...[23:58:03] <JetForMe> Huh. This page (http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=1663) says: "You now have a 10 GB (or whatever size you specified) EBS volume mounted under /vol with an XFS file system, and it will be automatically mounted if the instance reboots."[23:58:28] <JetForMe> if the instance reboots, that suggests it's technically possible to have an EBS device attached at boot time on a new instance[23:58:31] <rootard> yay, xfs ... that's helpful[23:59:45] <JetForMe> well, i htink that part is irrelevant...should behave the same for zfs