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[00:00:45] <teknoprep> nope
[00:00:47] <teknoprep> oh wait
[00:00:49] <teknoprep> no it sucked
[00:01:09] <teknoprep> they haven't made a great movie in a long time
[00:01:31] <teknoprep> Million Dollar Baby / Dead Man Walking / North by North West
[00:01:40] <teknoprep> are GREAT movies
[00:01:58] <teknoprep> the shit they make these days sucks my asshole dry and then i have to sit on it while i get nipple torture
[00:12:10] <pthread> no country for old men?
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[00:18:03] <sockonafish> i'm trying to use apt-get to install libssl0.9.7 on the 2.0 RC1, but it's failing to fetch dependencies. i'm new to apt-get, should be specifying anything beyond 'apt-get install pkg'?
[00:27:32] <sockonafish> huh, adding the elatte-unstable sources didn't do the trick, but doing an apt-get install on the dependencies that failed to install before fixed the issue
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[00:36:32] <omar> hi, i downloaded nexentastor demo. my problem is that in command line i can see my hard disks, but on the web interface i can't, so i don't know how to make them appear.
[00:37:15] <omar> if I type "show lun" i see my both 73GB hard disks
[00:39:05] <omar> all appear in volume syspool
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[02:56:04] <JetForMe> rootard: http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/latest/DeveloperGuide/index.html?FAQs_Kernel.html
[02:57:15] <rootard> JetForMe: so we can't replace the kernel...
[02:57:21] <JetForMe> seems like it
[02:57:47] <rootard> unless we register a kernel
[02:57:57] <rootard> What about ramdisk?
[02:58:10] <JetForMe> where do you see something about registering a kernel?
[02:58:23] <JetForMe> i'm looking for info on the ramdisks
[02:58:24] <rootard> ... well they have to get there somehow
[02:58:31] <JetForMe> yeah, i can't figure out how.
[02:58:55] <rootard> maybe I should contact EC2 and find out about developing an image
[02:59:21] <JetForMe> http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=1345
[02:59:26] <JetForMe> yeah, that might be a good idea
[02:59:34] <JetForMe> "As of this release, anyone can use alternative kernels or RAM disks with their AMIs, but the ability to create and publish kernels and ramdisks is restricted to Amazon EC2 and selected vendors."
[03:02:10] <JetForMe> I think you'll have to do that to get the ram disk up, too
[03:02:55] <JetForMe> rootard: here are the kernels. Most of them are opensolaris http://pastie.org/441381
[03:03:23] <JetForMe> oh my bad
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[03:05:03] <rootard> ok, I would vote for: aki-6552b60c sun-osol-2008-11/unix_32_1.0.manifest.xml
[03:05:45] <rootard> I don't remember, did the image boot with the existing kernel/ramdisk?
[03:05:56] <JetForMe> i haven't tried
[03:06:04] <JetForMe> sorry, been swamped by other stuff
[03:06:14] <rootard> I can relate
[03:07:19] <JetForMe> i see two kernels
[03:08:34] <JetForMe> there are two ramdisks
[03:08:44] <JetForMe> IMAGE ari-6452b60d sun-osol-2008-11/boot_archive_32_1.0.manifest.xml 327216928991 available public i386 ramdisk
[03:08:44] <JetForMe> IMAGE ari-b68367df sun-osol/boot_archive.manifest.xml 327216928991 available private i386 ramdisk
[03:08:48] <JetForMe> oh, one of those might be private
[03:09:32] <JetForMe> http://pastie.org/441384
[03:10:57] <osubuck> is there a release schedule for nexenta 2? i know its rc1 now..
[03:12:55] <rootard> osubuck: RC2 will be released next Tuesday I believe
[03:13:22] <osubuck> im thinking of putting rc1 as my desktop OS now
[03:13:29] <osubuck> instead of ubuntu, would you recommend it?
[03:13:52] <rootard> JetForMe: I imagine the one called as *_32_* is the one you want.
[03:13:56] <teknoprep> hmm
[03:14:07] <rootard> osubuck: the GUI environment is very minimal
[03:14:17] <osubuck> what do you mean?
[03:14:22] <teknoprep> well hmm
[03:14:27] <teknoprep> that would be like HMMM
[03:14:30] <teknoprep> just not as loud
[03:14:41] <rootard> for example, not all of gnome is available, but gnome-core is
[03:14:50] <rootard> and xfce4 ...
[03:14:51] <teknoprep> all of gnome is available
[03:15:03] <teknoprep> maybe not from apt-get
[03:15:07] <teknoprep> but i am sure its ALL there
[03:15:16] <JetForMe> so, i made the image the other day using those same kernel & ramdisk IDs. I'm trying to upload it now.
[03:15:19] <osubuck> rootard, im a simple desktop user, i just need an OS that can play multimedia and access my ntfs drive
[03:15:23] <osubuck> talk on pidgin etc
[03:15:23] <rootard> There is a distribution that is "on top" of RC1 that attempts to make a better desktop env: http://www.stormos.org/
[03:16:21] <rootard> I see... Nexenta's GUI env isn't well polished so you would probably find an easier time using Ubuntu.
[03:16:23] <teknoprep> would it break nexenta if i did an apt-get dist-upgrade... with intrepid for my source.list
[03:16:48] <teknoprep> but nexenta could use ... ubuntu-desktop
[03:16:52] <teknoprep> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:17:02] <teknoprep> would that not work ?
[03:17:07] <rootard> teknoprep: it shouldn't do anything as ubuntu doesn't publish binary-solaris-i386
[03:17:34] <teknoprep> got ya
[03:17:51] <teknoprep> i think i am going to try stormos
[03:17:57] <teknoprep> skrew that
[03:18:02] <teknoprep> just install NexentaCore
[03:18:11] <teknoprep> and then apt-get install xfce4
[03:18:16] <teknoprep> hey what does NexentaCore use for sound ?
[03:18:21] <osubuck> meh i guess ill just stick with ubuntu then... i was wanting to try something new heh
[03:18:56] <rootard> osubuck: then try it! :) Just don't expect a well-polished GUI env.
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[03:19:12] <teknoprep> i don't find ubuntu is really that "well polished"
[03:19:13] <osubuck> i just don't understand what you mean by well polished
[03:19:28] <teknoprep> its easy to use.. for idiots
[03:19:40] <JetForMe> rootard: I'm getting this error when I try to copy the bundled image to S3. I wonder if this Solaris is missing some cert files?
[03:19:40] <JetForMe> ERROR: Error talking to S3: Curl.Error(77): error setting certificate verify locations:
[03:19:40] <JetForMe> CAfile: /etc/curl/curlCA
[03:19:41] <rootard> for eg, you may have to poke at xorg to get it to run
[03:19:43] <JetForMe> CApath: none.
[03:19:51] <osubuck> ahhh screw that then hah
[03:19:54] <osubuck> im a simpleton
[03:20:03] <teknoprep> hahaha osubuck
[03:20:06] <teknoprep> its not that hard man
[03:20:22] <teknoprep> i doubt you have to write your entirely own file
[03:20:22] <JetForMe> rootard: I changed the URL to not be https
[03:20:24] <teknoprep> just edit some stuff
[03:20:32] <teknoprep> compile some ATI or NVIDIA drivers
[03:20:33] <teknoprep> and move on
[03:20:50] <osubuck> im not even experienced in doing that
[03:20:54] <teknoprep> oh
[03:20:59] <teknoprep> well
[03:21:01] <teknoprep> guess what
[03:21:04] <rootard> teknoprep: many people don't want to deal with that... they just want it to work
[03:21:05] <teknoprep> the only way to get experienceed
[03:21:07] <teknoprep> is to doit
[03:21:17] <osubuck> yep thats true
[03:21:20] <rootard> :)
[03:21:26] <teknoprep> rootard, i know.. hey rootard what does nexenta user for sound?
[03:21:28] <teknoprep> alsa ?
[03:21:58] <rootard> jkaudio ?
[03:22:06] <teknoprep> ?
[03:22:12] <teknoprep> wtf is jkaudio ?
[03:22:23] <rootard> alsa == Advanced LINUX Sounds Architecture?
[03:22:28] <rootard> *Sound
[03:22:33] <teknoprep> yes
[03:23:13] <teknoprep> does nexenta use OSS ?
[03:23:23] <teknoprep> like osol
[03:24:07] * rootard doesn't use audio for his servers...
[03:24:25] <teknoprep> i was looking to put this on my lapto
[03:24:28] <rootard> (read: I have no idea)
[03:24:30] <teknoprep> with xfce4
[03:24:38] <teknoprep> thats fine i will just find when i install it
[03:25:03] <teknoprep> i only have nexenta installed on one system.. seeing how it works for now... installed it for our Veeam backups
[03:25:09] <teknoprep> over iSCSI
[03:30:35] <teknoprep> man
[03:30:41] <teknoprep> i must be a bit more tipsy than i thought
[03:30:53] <teknoprep> i am slurring and missing words in what i type
[03:30:55] <teknoprep> wtf
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[03:43:31] <JetForMe> rootard: well, i launched an instance based on our new image
[03:43:34] <JetForMe> it's not looking good
[03:43:41] <JetForMe> console output shows only this:
[03:43:47] <JetForMe> $ ec2-get-console-output i-957614fc
[03:43:47] <JetForMe> i-957614fc
[03:43:47] <JetForMe> 2009-04-09T01:45:10+0000
[03:44:08] <JetForMe> it might still be imaging it
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[03:44:30] <rootard> woah, that's very unexpected... the kernel should have more to say regardless...
[03:48:10] <JetForMe> rootard: hmm. ec2 says the instance is running but still no more console output
[03:48:16] <JetForMe> let's see if I can log in
[03:49:23] <JetForMe> huh
[03:49:25] <JetForMe> i logged in
[03:49:31] <JetForMe> looks just like the solaris instance
[03:50:09] <rootard> then the root filesystem is hard-coded into the ramdisk image...
[03:50:20] <JetForMe> or i bundled it wrong
[03:50:31] <JetForMe> oh...i never remapped that stuff
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[04:37:29] <rootard> JetForMe: was there someplace you could specify a rootfs parameter?
[04:38:02] <JetForMe> it's not clear to me
[04:38:15] <JetForMe> rootard: you can specify the root device, as seen by the kernel, and by the ami
[04:39:16] <JetForMe> they show some examples
[04:39:49] <JetForMe> you can specify the http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/latest/DeveloperGuide/index.html?CLTRG-ami-bundle-image.html
[04:39:51] <JetForMe> http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/latest/DeveloperGuide/index.html?CLTRG-ami-bundle-image.html
[04:40:24] <JetForMe> rootard: huh. here's a more relevant example: --block-device-mapping ami=0,root=/dev/dsk/c0d0s0,ephemeral0=1
[04:41:15] <rootard> I recall seeing one example where they had rootfs=rpool/(somenumber) at 0, dot ..
[04:41:28] <JetForMe> that's what the actual sun guide shows
[04:42:07] <JetForMe> root=rpool/52@0,ami=0,ephemeral0=1
[04:42:23] <JetForMe> so, yeah, if we can just figure out the "52@0".
[04:43:00] <rootard> I'm asking in #opensolaris about that now
[04:51:34] <rootard> JetForMe: maybe we can try changing 52@0 to 148@0
[04:51:56] <JetForMe> okay. what does that mean?
[04:52:07] <rootard> run: zdb -d rpool
[04:52:18] <rootard> notice: rpool/ROOT/opensolaris [ZPL], ID 52
[04:52:31] <rootard> and then pattern match down to rpool/rootfs-nmu-000
[04:52:36] <rootard> and ID=148
[04:52:45] <JetForMe> I see!
[04:54:37] <JetForMe> bundling now
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[05:04:49] <JetForMe> I should launch one of the überinstance types, see if this stuff goes any faster
[05:10:08] <rootard> ?ber instance ?
[05:11:14] <JetForMe> uber
[05:11:17] <JetForMe> with an umlaut
[05:11:25] <JetForMe> i guess the utf8 didn't come through
[05:13:41] <rootard> maybe it's my term
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[05:37:55] <JetForMe> rootard: image creation done, uploading to S3
[05:38:15] * rootard crosses fingers
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[05:42:24] <JetForMe> upload complete. let's try to run it!
[05:49:13] <JetForMe> rootard: it's booting
[05:50:21] <JetForMe> rootard: it died
[05:50:31] <JetForMe> hopefully we'll get some console output in a bit
[05:52:42] <JetForMe> nada
[05:55:57] * JetForMe sighs heavily
[05:56:12] * JetForMe sighs forlornly
[05:56:28] * JetForMe looks for a thesaurus
[06:00:04] <mrsteveman1> you can sigh sarcastically and metaphorically
[06:00:05] <rootard> :-/
[06:00:35] <JetForMe> i'm trying again without specifying a key pair
[06:00:40] <rootard> Problems are so tough to debug when there are no errors
[06:00:47] <JetForMe> yeah
[06:01:15] <JetForMe> I realized I didn't need to rebundle the image; you can specify the block device mapping when instantiating
[06:01:16] <JetForMe> oh well
[06:01:48] <rootard> oops
[06:03:30] <JetForMe> nope, that didn't work
[06:03:33] <JetForMe> no idea what's wrong
[06:03:37] <JetForMe> still no console
[06:05:44] <JetForMe> rootard: helpful: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=1145#09
[06:06:46] <rootard> lol
[06:07:09] <rootard> I wonder if there is a console= param that will help here
[06:09:09] <JetForMe> Huh, this is old:
[06:09:10] <JetForMe> http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?messageID=71137&#71137
[06:09:54] <rootard> console=com1 com1=9600,8n1 ?
[06:10:44] <dtbartle> do you get as far as grub?
[06:10:51] <JetForMe> $ ec2-get-console-output i-527c1e3b
[06:10:51] <JetForMe> i-527c1e3b
[06:10:51] <JetForMe> 2009-04-09T03:52:02+0000
[06:10:55] <JetForMe> that's as far as I get
[06:11:07] <dtbartle> i don't know what any of that means
[06:11:14] <JetForMe> the first line is the instance ID
[06:11:27] <JetForMe> the second is the timestamp of when the console output was last captured
[06:11:46] <rootard> dtbartle: no grub in a pv env afaik?
[06:11:48] <dtbartle> you probably need to update the boot archive on tthe image
[06:11:55] <dtbartle> pv env?
[06:12:04] <JetForMe> sorry, thought you were talking tome
[06:12:11] <rootard> EC2 is basically a big Xen farm
[06:12:46] <dtbartle> how does it load the kernel without grub?
[06:12:58] <rootard> :) magically
[06:13:04] <dtbartle> (i don't actually know how xen works)
[06:13:15] <rootard> you specify a kernel and ramdisk to Xen and it loads it up
[06:13:22] <rootard> you can also specify kernel parameters
[06:13:30] <dtbartle> does this work for opensolaris proper?
[06:13:46] <rootard> the image/ramdisk (boot_archive) are stored outside of the root env
[06:13:56] <rootard> yes
[06:14:31] <rootard> it is problematic as updates to the Xen env are not reflected to the enternal image
[06:14:48] <rootard> *external
[06:15:09] <dtbartle> you don't specify a separate disk?
[06:15:22] <dtbartle> i thought you would just have som einstall image
[06:16:34] <rootard> nope
[06:16:37] <dtbartle> /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc might need to be edited
[06:16:48] <dtbartle> setprop ttya-mode '115200,8,n,1,-'
[06:16:58] <dtbartle> setprop console 'ttya'
[06:17:03] <rootard> So... there are a few things blocking on this
[06:17:23] <rootard> on EC2 you can not specify your own kernel
[06:17:37] <rootard> which means we are using a stock osol kernel/boot_archive
[06:17:51] <dtbartle> weird
[06:17:54] <rootard> but we know that the stock kernel/boot_archive work
[06:18:16] <rootard> (for a specific osol instance of course)
[06:18:22] <dtbartle> what does that file i posted look like i nthe stock one?
[06:18:27] <dtbartle> does it actually output to console?
[06:18:33] <rootard> our approach is to modify the stock osol instance to boot Nexenta
[06:18:59] <rootard> JetForMe: any idea on that?
[06:19:08] <rootard> it seems that it doesn't
[06:19:18] <JetForMe> none. I posted a question to the EC2 forum
[06:19:33] <JetForMe> other people have written about it in the past, but not for many many months
[06:41:30] <rootard> I have added the stormos.org repositories to builder.tajinc.org so that packages in that repository can be found.
[06:41:56] <rootard> for eg: http://builder.tajinc.org/?f=package_status&view_method=name&package_name=dia
[06:43:32] <rootard> nn all
[06:44:04] <JetForMe> off-topic question:
[06:44:50] <JetForMe> are there any good email hosting providers, that will allow me to host more than one domain, have IMAP and web access, support "-" extension addresses, and charge based on storage rather than # of domains or email addrs?
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[07:28:16] <viridio> hi
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[07:36:29] <JetForMe> hi
[07:37:36] <dtbartle> JetForMe: you were a tad too late ;)
[07:37:43] <JetForMe> d'oh
[07:37:54] <JetForMe> i tend to ignore the status messages this client renders
[07:37:59] <dtbartle> people don't understand the conept of idling
[07:38:05] <dtbartle> j/cle
[07:38:08] <dtbartle> er
[07:38:42] <JetForMe> heh
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[07:44:19] <osubuck> does nexenta come with a GUI by default?
[07:46:07] <JetForMe> osubuck: I only use it as a server, but snippets of a conversation earlier that I caught suggest the GUI is not very polished
[07:48:20] <dtbartle> xfce and gnome are installable
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[09:13:19] <codestr0m|afk> morning!
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[18:15:00] <teknoprep> hi all
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[18:16:37] <teknoprep> http://www.gulecha.org/2009/03/03/nexenta-iscsi-with-comstarzfs-integration/
[18:16:39] <teknoprep> when i follow that post
[18:16:46] <teknoprep> i can not add another iscsi export
[18:16:47] <teknoprep> only one
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[18:33:06] <anilg> teknoprep: what happens when you try to "zfs set shareiscsi=on" on another volume
[18:33:12] <anilg> ?
[18:33:47] <anilg> Note that the dataset you're trying to share should be volume type (should've been created with zfs create -V ..)
[18:34:28] <teknoprep> nothing
[18:34:30] <teknoprep> it doesn't show up
[18:34:36] <teknoprep> i am just using itadm manually
[18:35:00] <teknoprep> it looks like it sets it up
[18:35:02] <teknoprep> but nothing happens
[18:35:10] <teknoprep> it doesn't show up inside of ... itadm list-target -v
[18:35:22] <teknoprep> the first volume does.. not the second
[18:36:38] <teknoprep> hey look at that
[18:36:40] <teknoprep> fixed it up
[18:36:45] <teknoprep> it was becuase i didn't have -V
[18:36:48] <anilg> "itadm manually" meaning..? itadm create-target ?
[18:36:50] <teknoprep> lol
[18:36:58] <teknoprep> yeah itadm create-target
[18:37:50] <teknoprep> when setting ... zfs set shareiscsi=on blah
[18:37:56] <teknoprep> can i set the iqn name ?
[18:38:14] <anilg> cool
[18:38:38] <anilg> I'm not sure.. perhaps the manpages can help
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[18:55:42] <metacube> hi guys
[18:56:27] <metacube> how i can incrase the smb performance for nexenta with zfs, i have just 6 mb per sec with 3 * 1 mb mybook disks
[18:56:36] <metacube> 2 gb ram
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[19:00:07] <rootard> hi metacube
[19:00:17] <metacube> hi rootard
[19:00:19] <rootard> what is a mybook disk?
[19:00:32] <metacube> this is a external usb 2.0 disk
[19:00:45] <metacube> i have 3 of them
[19:01:23] <rootard> how is your pool configured?
[19:01:34] <metacube> raidz configuraion
[19:02:40] <metacube> with internal disks it its no faster, then ca 9 mb per sec, with ext3 i have 60 mb per secund
[19:02:48] <rootard> just a guess but I'd say your USB bus is the bottleneck in this scenario
[19:03:24] <rootard> I've had similar and the USB drivers for Solaris don't want to perform as well as Linux equivs on the same hardware :-/
[19:04:29] <metacube> aha, ok in this case i check it again with internal disk on my nexenta.
[19:04:29] <rootard> I am surprised about the internal comment though...
[19:05:24] <metacube> at the moment im running nexenta via vmware, but with bare metal its not very faster
[19:05:51] <metacube> baremetal = amd 64 /2 gb machine
[19:06:04] <rootard> vmware usually has a decent IO overhead as well.
[19:06:17] <rootard> make sure DMA is enabled for the drive
[19:06:48] <metacube> okey i will check that
[19:07:59] <metacube> zfs is really cool, but do never switch the usb ports ,if the filesystem running, thats provocate metadata corruption :(
[19:08:25] <rootard> really?
[19:09:16] <metacube> yes, i have switched my cables , port 1 to 2 vice versa(for wakeup the disks ;) ) and then Boom
[19:10:02] <metacube> the filenames was korrupt later like "*ç"sdfasdf.m%p3
[19:10:14] <rootard> ouch, that's no good
[19:10:46] <rootard> I'll have to try that and see if I can replicate it
[19:11:13] <metacube> okey, but not with sensible files :)
[19:11:31] <rootard> there was a demo early on in the development of ZFS with a bunch of thumb drives... they unplugged the thumb drives, mixed them around, and plugged them all back in
[19:12:05] <metacube> i have see the video ,but my disks havent see this video
[19:12:07] <rootard> and the pool still functioned properly
[19:14:15] <metacube> i think the nexenta team will fix that in the next month
[19:14:31] <rootard> :)
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