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[00:34:28] <jdjustice> hello. can anyone tell me if new US-based mirrors are needed and what the requirements are for becoming a public mirror?
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[01:06:48] <JetForMe> jdjustice: requirements: huge bandwidth
[01:07:24] <jdjustice> when you say 'huge' what are we speaking of? i have a 1Gbps connection but what are we speaking of in Mbps?
[01:08:12] <JetForMe> I can't speak with any authority. I would imagine a 1Gbps connection is adequate, assuming you have no traffic costs. I have no idea how much traffic you'd get.
[01:08:28] <JetForMe> I'm sure a certain amount of disk space, as well as trust, are also required
[01:08:33] <JetForMe> but I'm a mere user
[01:08:49] <JetForMe> you want to be an apt repository mirror?
[01:09:17] <jdjustice> well i have the disk space and the connection -- i'm really looking for an estimate on average BW traffic per second..
[01:09:28] <jdjustice> yes
[01:09:45] <jdjustice> it looks like there are only 3 in the US
[01:10:10] <jdjustice> as long as it doesn't consume the traffic of say, a full Eclipse mirror, then yes
[01:11:35] <JetForMe> rootard: I think we need to make "ramdisk" and "kernel" images that are uploaded to S3 separately
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[03:07:32] <^daedalus^> hii
[03:07:52] <^daedalus^> is someone there?
[03:17:20] <rootard> JetForMe: do you still have the kernel/ramdisk files?
[03:17:29] <JetForMe> rootard: I do
[03:17:36] <rootard> Will they work?
[03:17:43] <rootard> ^daedalus^: yes
[03:18:03] <JetForMe> I suppose so! I i have to figure out how to make those image types
[03:19:24] <^daedalus^> hi rootard
[03:20:03] <^daedalus^> i have a litle cuestion, is there any way to install the kernel in a debian lenny by packages?
[03:20:33] <^daedalus^> sorry for my bad english
[03:22:08] <rootard> Nexenta is built on a Solaris kernel, not a Linux kernel
[03:23:06] <rootard> so the kernel image inside Debian is not very useful to a Nexenta system
[03:23:56] <^daedalus^> ahh ok
[03:24:30] <^daedalus^> i understud
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[03:42:35] <Macer> well
[03:42:43] <Macer> i guess nexenta is a no go on the artigo c7 based computer
[03:42:56] <Macer> what a let down :) opensolaris didn't work either.. maybe they have a c7 install
[03:43:05] <Macer> i'm guessing it's the kernel because all i get is a grub command line
[03:50:02] <JetForMe> rootard: I gotta go to a thing tonight, maybe I'll get the images created during that
[03:52:27] <JetForMe> and, sorry for the noise, but F*CKING AWESOME PIC: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Shuttle_atlantis_launching_breaking_sound_barrier.jpg
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[04:40:11] <chrol> :/ I can repeatably crash nexenta using a mysql restore...
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[07:06:10] <anilg> lo all
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[11:51:59] <Laevar> hi
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[11:53:15] <Laevar> i have trouble getting ldap client to work with an ldap server
[11:53:53] <Laevar> but it seems i do not have to try get it working with the solaris ldap client
[11:54:58] <Laevar> i am confused, because there is the usual "auth-client-config" but not the other packages ususally needed for this kind of setup (e.g. libnss-ldap)
[11:55:31] <Laevar> the server itself is openldap
[12:12:04] <Laevar> is there a way to do i on nexenta 2 rc1 ?
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[14:10:11] <rootard> Laevar: NCP1 as an LDAP client can work but I've never done it with OpenLDAP
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[14:35:53] <klon-immor[t]al> hello
[14:36:14] <klon-immor[t]al> sorry to bother you with trivial question, but i cannot find anything abut it on the net
[14:36:23] <klon-immor[t]al> how do i install gnome in nexentacp2?
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[14:55:43] <rootard> klon-immor[t]al: apt-get install gnome-core xorg gdm should work I think
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[15:00:11] <klon-immor[t]al> rootard: nah, it desn't work
[15:00:18] <klon-immor[t]al> says somethink about unmet dependencies
[15:00:30] <klon-immor[t]al> something*
[15:02:12] <klon-immor[t]al> when i type "apt-get install nexenta-gnome", it reads package list, builds dependency tree, and then says "E: Couldn't find package nexenta-gnome"
[15:09:11] <klon-immor[t]al> ah, finally found a solution
[15:09:31] <klon-immor[t]al> first, I needed to enter apt-get -f install, and only then could install something
[15:10:04] <klon-immor[t]al> heh, apt-get is really obsolete and badly designed :/
[15:13:07] <klon-immor[t]al> but, i guess, it's still better than IPS
[15:43:51] <devians> how insane am i in the idea of possibly migrating a zpool from opensolaris to nexenta?
[15:46:40] <rootard> klon-immor[t]al: there is always aptitude
[15:46:50] <anilg> devians: it should migrate fine.. it's the same opensolaris/zfs underneath
[15:47:03] <anilg> check that the build of opensolaris is < 104
[15:48:52] <devians> yeah its 104. im just getting the shits with it being so difficult to install software and its very limited
[15:49:18] <devians> im hoping i can find a bit more of a linuxy environment with a decently solid zfs implementation
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[15:51:33] <klon-immor[t]al> devians: well, i guess by now nexenta is the only option
[15:51:58] <klon-immor[t]al> or maybe, just maybe, you could try to move portage to solaris
[15:52:09] <devians> urgh
[15:52:11] <klon-immor[t]al> with nexenta it should be slightly easier, than with opensolaris
[15:52:25] <devians> i just want a zfs implementation i can install apps on *wimper*
[15:52:47] <devians> with osol it just plain hurts trying to get anything running stably
[15:52:56] <klon-immor[t]al> yeah, i know this
[15:53:09] <klon-immor[t]al> i've just dumped opensol because of its shitty IPS
[15:53:39] <devians> all i want to do is run python scripts and a torrent client.
[15:54:09] <klon-immor[t]al> but that has always been a problem with solaris - great kernel, greatest technologies, and world to crap all the good impressions
[15:54:51] <klon-immor[t]al> well, then you want nexenta - i don't think you'd need all the power of portage
[15:55:22] <klon-immor[t]al> and nexenta is the only half-decent opensol distro in there
[15:55:46] <devians> when i got to the point with osol that i was considering writing a bash script to cron every 10mins to see if my torrent client had crashed and if it had to restart it, i figured it was time to consider a different solution
[15:55:53] <devians> its down to freebsd and nexenta
[15:56:11] <devians> im not sure i can move the zpool to freebsd though :/
[15:56:13] <klon-immor[t]al> or gentoo/freebsd ;)
[15:56:23] <klon-immor[t]al> neither i'm sure
[15:56:42] <devians> ?
[15:56:45] <klon-immor[t]al> zfs implementation in freebsd is a bit immature, though
[15:56:58] <klon-immor[t]al> ??
[15:57:29] <klon-immor[t]al> if you wonder what gentoo/freebsd is - it's like a freebsd, but with portage and gentoo toolchain
[15:57:47] <devians> no i didnt understand the 'neither im sure' line
[15:58:08] <klon-immor[t]al> ah - i meant, that i do not know about moving zpool from opensol to freebsd too
[15:58:48] <devians> google seems to indicate their implementations are different and hence not swappable
[15:59:06] <devians> so it seems nexenta is the go, but im irksome about it since its still osol
[15:59:20] <devians> ive just had such a dodgy experience with osol :(
[16:00:27] <klon-immor[t]al> well, if you want nexenta, you probably need CP1
[16:00:45] <klon-immor[t]al> i'm just experimenting with cp2, and to get working GUI is helluva work
[16:00:54] <devians> i dont need a gui
[16:01:05] <klon-immor[t]al> then CP2 to you :)
[16:01:24] <klon-immor[t]al> yet still - apt-get IS retarded
[16:01:33] <devians> just a stable implementation of zfs, and the ability to install programs like screen and rtorrent and python (hence flexget) and ill be happy
[16:01:54] <devians> mate, i will be happy if i can just compile things. im happy as larry to compile
[16:02:21] <klon-immor[t]al> then you should be happy with nexenta :)
[16:02:40] <klon-immor[t]al> but if you really like to compile, you should probably think about nexenta/portage combo :)
[16:04:41] <devians> im not familiar with portage at all. it makes me think of luggage, what is it you're reffering to? :)
[16:06:07] <koan> devians: Portage is Gentoo's package manager
[16:07:24] <klon-immor[t]al> yup
[16:07:37] <klon-immor[t]al> it's gentoos package manager
[16:08:04] <klon-immor[t]al> it's quite robust, sane, and has great dependency resolving features
[16:08:23] <klon-immor[t]al> and it's about compiling packages, too
[16:08:40] <klon-immor[t]al> something similar to freebsd ports, but easier to maintain and use
[16:15:38] <pthread> are there any good resources for linux refugees on equivalents for common network and system commands?
[16:21:06] <devians> ah k, is it possible to have such a thing on nexenta with a minimum of pain?
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[16:25:30] <xinkeT> pthread: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2938101/linuxtosolaris-sysadmin-guide
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[16:25:41] <xinkeT> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/sysadmin_guide.pdf
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[16:33:46] <pthread> xinkeT: yeah, I looked at that. it's a little vague. at least it's a start though, I suppose.
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[16:44:38] <klon-immor[t]al> devians: I am not really sure
[16:44:57] <klon-immor[t]al> some time ago, there was a project called portaris, but it's probably dead
[16:45:29] <klon-immor[t]al> or you could contact Flameeyes for info - i know he was doing something like that with solaris, so he should know
[16:46:03] <klon-immor[t]al> hell, it might be even possible to make something of a documentation on making nexenta use protage
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[19:31:08] <teknoprep> how is nexenta stability using it for ZFS / iSCSI storage ?
[19:31:17] <teknoprep> does it have any kernel panic issues ?
[19:33:42] <anilg> teknoprep: those are it's strengths
[19:33:47] <anilg> so they work very well
[19:33:56] <teknoprep> cool
[19:34:06] <teknoprep> what iSCSI target does nexenta use ?
[19:34:20] <teknoprep> there are a few flavours for nix distro's
[19:34:39] <teknoprep> does it do block storage or is it file based ?
[19:35:06] <teknoprep> also would it be ok to install Nexenta 2 on a server for storage ?
[19:35:14] <teknoprep> or would that not be good since it is not considered "stable"
[19:37:42] <anilg> NCP2 is close to stable.. so it should work good on your server. Storage is on ZFS datasets
[19:38:14] <anilg> i.e., you can share a ZFS dataset as shareiscsi=on
[19:42:18] <teknoprep> anilg yes i know
[19:42:38] <teknoprep> i was asking what the iSCSI target software was
[19:42:45] <teknoprep> zfs does not share out over iscsi
[19:42:55] <teknoprep> zfs only sets iscsi to be turned on for that storage
[19:43:09] <teknoprep> i will look at it after i install it
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[19:49:27] <teknoprep> would there be a speed increase for storage over version 1.1 vs 2.0 rc1 ?
[19:52:53] <anilg> yes.. NCP2 has additional iscsi improvements
[19:53:12] <anilg> http://www.gulecha.org/2009/03/03/nexenta-iscsi-with-comstarzfs-integration/
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[20:36:30] <Bicster> Do most modern systems just work with nexenta out of the box? The HCL is painful
[20:43:58] <xinkeT> to some degrees, yes
[20:45:53] <Bicster> I hope the odds are at least better than the odds of getting OS X to run ;)
[20:46:31] <Bicster> I have a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R
[20:46:40] <xinkeT> I would say that would be true in most cases, providing your hardware isn't too weird
[20:46:56] <Bicster> well it looks like my 3ware controller is probably out
[20:47:03] <xinkeT> 3ware is definitely a no no
[20:47:22] <Bicster> I guess with zfs I don't need it anyway
[20:47:30] <Bicster> what fs should I move my data into for migration purposes?
[20:47:33] <xinkeT> supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 is a good bet
[20:47:49] <tsukasa> anything LSI based is fine :)
[20:47:57] <xinkeT> yeah, that too
[20:48:05] <Bicster> I'll just use ahci
[20:48:56] <xinkeT> how much disk are you attaching to this? that mb has 8 sata onboard
[20:49:18] <Bicster> right now I have 2 system disks in raid1 and two data disks in raid1
[20:50:11] <Bicster> AFAIK only 6 of those SATA will work with solaris
[20:50:29] <Bicster> "only"
[20:50:31] <xinkeT> they should all work if you can make them non-raid by flashing the firmware
[20:50:49] <xinkeT> bios in this case
[20:51:12] <Bicster> I think 2 of the sata ports are on a sil 3512 controller
[20:51:13] <xinkeT> or maybe it's already a function of the bios
[20:51:50] <xinkeT> some of the sil stuff is supported, dunno about that one specifically
[20:52:06] <Bicster> currently it's linux with the boot volume on 3ware and the data volume on ahci software raid (linux md)
[20:52:34] <Bicster> but I guess with nexenta I can't have redundancy for the boot volume?
[20:52:49] <xinkeT> you will use zfs root/boot, which supports mirrors
[20:53:02] <xinkeT> that's built into the installer
[20:53:23] <Bicster> ok, but will it really be bootable if the first disk fails?
[20:53:52] <xinkeT> as long as your bios can boot from the second disk, yes. At most you'll need to add an entry to grub
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[20:56:55] <xinkeT> erast: re, how goes?
[20:57:19] <erast> xinkeT: pushing 2.0...
[20:57:31] <xinkeT> final, or just continuing to work on it?
[20:57:40] <erast> final we hope
[20:57:56] <xinkeT> nice, I've been waiting to upgrade my production machines
[20:58:34] <xinkeT> did the b85 > b104 apt-clone dist-upgrade problem get worked through?
[20:58:49] <erast> yes, thanks to rootard
[20:59:12] <xinkeT> I still have problems doing dist-upgrades, even on machines that are running b104 unstable (just updating to the latest), but this might be because they were all upgraded from previous versions
[21:10:08] <teknoprep> anilg, zfs create -V 500m tank/zvol1 needs to be changed to zfs create -s -V 500m tank/zvol1
[21:10:14] <teknoprep> on the page http://www.gulecha.org/2009/03/03/nexenta-iscsi-with-comstarzfs-integration/
[21:10:20] <teknoprep> this allows for iSCSI thin provisioning
[21:11:48] <teknoprep> xinkeT, best practice is use Hardware RAID-1 controller with ZFS root partition
[21:12:02] <teknoprep> for the root pool
[21:12:05] <xinkeT> says who
[21:12:28] <teknoprep> says me... and the guys i work with who have been setting up storage arrays of all types for years
[21:12:46] <teknoprep> hardware raid-1 for OS... works best
[21:13:06] <teknoprep> even the osol guys will recommend it
[21:13:27] <erast> teknoprep: number of fixes for ZFS mirror for syspool went in recently
[21:13:28] <xinkeT> you're a bit too presumptuous
[21:13:47] <teknoprep> erast, thats fine... i would still put the OS on a HW RAID-1
[21:14:06] <teknoprep> no i do have a few test boxes that do not have hardware controllers ... so i put ZFS mirror rpool on it
[21:15:04] <Bicster> dumb question: when it comes to setting up system stuff, i.e. network configuration, boot services, and so on, is nexenta more like debian/ubuntu or more like solaris?
[21:15:04] <erast> teknoprep: i would rather prefer to have flexibility of ZFS over simplicity of HW RAID for my syspool
[21:15:15] <xinkeT> I have plenty of machines with hardware raid in them that I turn off, because I trust ZFS a lot more than I trust a raid vendor
[21:15:17] <teknoprep> erast, what flexibility do you loose ?
[21:15:58] <teknoprep> i didn't realize you loose any flexibility when the rpool is on a hardware raid-1 instead of a rpool mirror
[21:16:15] <erast> teknoprep: to see how my syspool disks behaves under ZFS supervision
[21:16:17] <teknoprep> you can still do snapshots... hot-swap...
[21:16:33] <xinkeT> zfs can only tell you about corrupted checksums in that case, it can't fix anything
[21:16:52] <xinkeT> your hw raid can lie
[21:18:19] <Bicster> I haven't knowingly lost data from a 3ware raid volume yet, but just watching its behavior makes me know it can't be trusted :)
[21:18:23] <erast> the less HW involved - the better, i'd say. For instance, I can get nice FMA event sent right into my mailbox when the drive in ZFS mirror failed, etc
[21:18:45] <xinkeT> I have expensive hardware raid arrays that have caused silent data corruption
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[21:19:31] <xinkeT> it was interesting to put them in JBOD mode with ZFS on top, and watch ZFS correcting their issues
[21:19:55] <teknoprep> erast, do you have a script to setup FMA ?
[21:20:06] <teknoprep> and drop it off to your inbox
[21:20:09] <erast> teknoprep: ZFS integrated wit hFMA
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[21:20:27] <erast> i'm using NexentaStor for that
[21:20:38] <teknoprep> oh
[21:20:45] <teknoprep> how is NexentaStor ?
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[21:21:39] <pthread> Bicster: solaris
[21:21:49] <xinkeT> if you want something mission critical stable with the option of commercial support, I don't think you can beat NexentaStor for features and price
[21:21:52] <Bicster> thanks pthread
[21:21:55] <pthread> np
[21:22:12] <Bicster> I'm wondering what advantage nexenta would have then, if I am just building a NAS. If I have to learn something new...
[21:22:12] <pthread> I only know because I've been dealing with the same question this afternoon. :)
[21:22:30] <teknoprep> xinkeT, is it using the newer iscsi stuff ?
[21:22:35] <xinkeT> it is now, yes
[21:22:35] <pthread> I came to it because I wanted ZFS.
[21:22:42] <teknoprep> xinkeT, in nexenta core 2.0
[21:23:04] <xinkeT> it's using the iSER stack, which is the same thing in ncp 2.0, even though the userland is still ncp 1.x based
[21:23:18] <teknoprep> xinkeT, ok i am going to try it out then
[21:23:31] <xinkeT> that was just added in the last release
[21:23:32] <teknoprep> i wanted a block level iSCSI target.. .not file level
[21:23:34] <erast> teknoprep: you need to write FMA agent, "fmadm config" - to list ones
[21:23:56] <xinkeT> I'm hoping the most recent zfs and cifs fixes get added soon
[21:24:05] <Bicster> pthread, that's why I'm here as well. I'm just unsure if I should be using nexenta or opensolaris
[21:24:05] <teknoprep> erast, i need to do that on nexentaStor ?
[21:24:33] <erast> tenkoprep: no, on NCP2. On NexentaStor it is already provided
[21:25:13] <teknoprep> erast, does the developer eval have any limitations other than no add-ins and 1TB restriction
[21:26:02] <codestr0m> erast: are the comstar enhancement patches in the nexenta-on source you release?
[21:26:14] <xinkeT> teknoprep: I used to think like you and the guys you work with concerning hardware raid, and I got burned several times. I switched to ZFS the moment it was out and I would never go back, as long as I can use *solaris. Now, if I'm stuck with any other OS, I will most definitely use hw raid
[21:26:42] <teknoprep> xinkeT, you don't use nexenta ?
[21:26:51] <xinkeT> I use it just about everywhere
[21:27:13] <teknoprep> yeah i don't really want the web gui
[21:27:15] <xinkeT> I'm switching to nexentastor for my storage systems at work
[21:27:18] <teknoprep> that nexenta provids
[21:27:23] <teknoprep> guess i will look into fmadm
[21:28:31] <erast> teknoprep: dev edition have some open source add-ins actually.. Yes, the only limitation is 1TB
[21:28:52] <erast> codestr0m: yes, and more is coming
[21:28:58] <teknoprep> hey whats up codestr0m
[21:29:14] <xinkeT> erast: are you still keep a page that lists patches being applied/
[21:29:15] <xinkeT> ?
[21:29:27] <erast> like WORM support patch will be integrated soon
[21:29:31] <xinkeT> or is it all just being roled into nexenta-on
[21:29:38] <codestr0m> teknoprep: hej.. how's it going..
[21:29:43] <erast> all in nexenta-on
[21:29:47] <xinkeT> cool
[21:30:02] <teknoprep> whahts the -on
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[21:31:10] <codestr0m> teknoprep: when they do actually release the source.. that's what they call it
[21:31:34] <codestr0m> ON is a carry-over from onnv which is os/network Nevada
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[21:46:29] <teknoprep> xinkeT, what is the cost per TB of nexentastor ?
[21:46:54] <xinkeT> whatever is listed on their website
[21:47:01] <xinkeT> unless you're an EDU
[21:47:27] <teknoprep> EDU is a huge business
[21:47:32] <teknoprep> they need to stop getting discounts on shit
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[21:49:25] <teknoprep> heh i am installing a server at home... i was lazy and have it connected to my 50 inch plasma
[21:49:38] <teknoprep> w0ot.. nice huge text on the screen lol
[21:50:53] <xinkeT> the small center I work for inside the larger EDU is not a huge business, and we tend to lose money on the science we do for people outside the university. At best we are only allowed to break even
[21:51:21] <xinkeT> they are huge businesses in the sense of the undergrads
[21:51:30] <xinkeT> but not on the real science part
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[21:55:12] <teknoprep> on the install of nexenta i am getting alot of media_error
[21:55:28] <teknoprep> and te ipsecalgs service is haveing an issue starting
[21:55:31] <teknoprep> over and over and over again
[21:55:41] <teknoprep> trying a reburn of the cd
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[22:07:32] <teknoprep> hmm
[22:07:39] <teknoprep> there is no driver for bcm5722
[22:07:47] <teknoprep> well thats not good
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[22:17:37] <teknoprep> hmm anyone on that bcm5722 driver issue ?
[22:17:41] <teknoprep> its not even in 2.0
[22:17:49] <teknoprep> well thats what it said when i booted
[22:23:21] <teknoprep> my new bed just arrived w0ot
[22:23:26] <teknoprep> bought a termperpedic
[22:23:46] <teknoprep> nexenta seems to see my network card
[22:23:49] <teknoprep> so its all good
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[22:29:12] <teknoprep> hey guys
[22:29:20] <teknoprep> right after installing ... i am getting errors on the tmp
[22:29:25] <teknoprep> of my syspool
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[22:31:08] <teknoprep> oh i think that was from my previous osol install
[22:31:12] <teknoprep> lol
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[22:57:46] <teknoprep> hey guys
[22:57:52] <teknoprep> thanx for putting together nexenta
[22:57:58] <teknoprep> whoever did it ... or whatever group
[22:58:00] <teknoprep> its very very nice
[22:58:08] <teknoprep> i love the linux feel with osol background
[22:58:45] <teknoprep> is there an openbox repository for apt-get with nexenta core 2.0 ?
[22:58:48] <teknoprep> i might put this on my laptop
[23:06:31] <teknoprep> lol am i the only person here that talks ?
[23:06:31] <teknoprep> w0ot
[23:06:36] <teknoprep> its my own private channel
[23:08:17] <teknoprep> someone chown me
[23:25:24] <Macer> transformers wasn't that bad
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