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[00:34:10] <rootard> JetForMe: I would love to see an EC2 AMI ... how can I help?
[00:34:55] <JetForMe> well, they give examples on how to creat AMIs, but I don't know enough about various unixes to take their fedora example and turn it into a Nexenta one
[00:35:08] <JetForMe> they say you can either make an install on a stand-alone machine
[00:35:12] <JetForMe> or onto a disk image via loopback
[00:35:33] <JetForMe> they show an example using yum to install onto a mounted disk image.
[00:35:49] <rootard> I would vote for the disk image via loopback
[00:36:01] <JetForMe> okay
[00:36:14] <JetForMe> so, I have a few options available
[00:36:25] <JetForMe> I have an installation of Nexenta on a 64-bit machine in a colo
[00:36:31] <JetForMe> (I'm 99% sure it's 64-bit)
[00:36:56] <JetForMe> the problem is, we are over bandwidth for the month already, so I don't want to DL an installer, or upload the resulting image
[00:37:09] <rootard> run the following to verify: isainfo -kv
[00:37:14] <JetForMe> also, I want to install onto a 32-bit instance at EC2
[00:37:43] <rootard> the beauty here is the image will suffice for both 32-bit and 64-bit userspace I think
[00:37:46] <JetForMe> I have a couple MacBook Pros here, and a PC from a few years ago
[00:38:02] <JetForMe> the PC's power supply seems to be dead; i was going to try to get a replace ment
[00:39:02] <rootard> I would say pass on the MacBook's to get around any EFI issues we may run into
[00:39:08] <JetForMe> ok
[00:39:25] <JetForMe> so, it seems like my best bet is to either remove my server from the colo and bring it home
[00:39:29] <JetForMe> or resurrect this PC
[00:39:40] <JetForMe> $ isainfo -kv
[00:39:40] <JetForMe> 64-bit amd64 kernel modules
[00:39:43] <JetForMe> on my colo machine
[00:39:45] <rootard> It would help if your platform already supports XEN
[00:39:55] <JetForMe> Ah. I don't know if it does
[00:40:01] <JetForMe> Any way to tell on a dead PC?
[00:40:22] <rootard> Probably, I'm not sure how to know definitvely.
[00:40:48] <rootard> There are a two modes to worry about... pv and hvm
[00:41:19] <JetForMe> oof. I have no idea what those are
[00:41:26] <rootard> the current instructions for installing Nexenta require hvm (which requires a new-ish processor)
[00:41:43] <JetForMe> This is an AMD from probably 5 years ago
[00:42:02] <rootard> hvm is basically a full-virtualization as you would expect to run something like Windows
[00:42:19] <JetForMe> So, when installing onto a disk image
[00:42:23] <rootard> without hvm support we will need to modify the nexenta installer
[00:42:27] <JetForMe> I see
[00:42:41] <JetForMe> well, here's a possible alternative
[00:42:51] <JetForMe> must we boot into nexenta to install nexenta?
[00:43:06] <rootard> yeah, pretty much
[00:43:13] <JetForMe> ok scratch that idea
[00:43:18] <rootard> :-/ sorry...
[00:43:22] <JetForMe> (I was thinking we could boot into OpenSolaris on EC2...)
[00:43:34] <JetForMe> Can we chat on the phone about this?
[00:43:35] <rootard> hmm, well it may be possible then
[00:44:09] <rootard> I'm actually a bit sick... otherwise I would say yes
[00:44:24] <JetForMe> okay. just thought it would be more expedient than typing. no worries
[00:44:54] <JetForMe> so, I have already gone through setting up an OpenSolaris-based instance (basically the tutorial they run you through) on EC2
[00:45:05] <JetForMe> if you think we could use that, I certainly don't mind paying for the instance
[00:45:16] <rootard> interesting... ok
[00:45:41] <JetForMe> My PC may be too old, so even if I can replace the power supply today (and that's assuming it's the supply that's bad), it may not be new enough for us to use
[00:45:46] <rootard> so here is an idea to quickly get it running: take a zfs send/receive stream and replace the root instance
[00:46:10] <JetForMe> if I knew what that meant, I'd go for it :-)
[00:46:30] <rootard> ok, so the EC2 imagine hopefully boots via ZFS, right?
[00:46:38] <JetForMe> I'm a pretty savvy software developer, and I know Macs pretty well, but I'm basically a junior admin when it comes to this stuff
[00:46:57] * rootard nods that should be enough if my idea holds water
[00:47:11] <JetForMe> well, that's a good question. I'm not sure what it boots on, but you definitely can have ZFS file systems on EBS volumes
[00:47:31] <JetForMe> The instance boots from the AMI, which is an ephemeral file system
[00:48:15] <JetForMe> maybe I should get an instance back up and running, and give you access?
[00:48:28] <rootard> that may work
[00:49:02] <JetForMe> okay. It might take me a bit to get it up and running. I mistakenly created it in the EU region before, so I have to start from scratch
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[00:52:39] <JetForMe> rootard: Sorry, I had set up a "getting started" image before. I'll try to set up an opensolaris one now
[00:52:47] <rootard> ok, no worries
[00:54:24] <JetForMe> FYI: http://blogs.sun.com/ec2/
[00:55:13] <JetForMe> rootard: what is 'OpenSolaris 2008.11 AMP Stack"?
[00:58:50] <rootard> Apache/Mysql/PHP
[00:58:56] <JetForMe> Ah!
[00:59:00] <JetForMe> I knew that :-/
[00:59:31] <rootard> :)
[01:00:04] <JetForMe> aww crud. I have to register, and it's not automatic. "Our technical team will review your requirements and get back to you shortly"
[01:00:24] <rootard> lol, what a pita
[01:00:41] <rootard> Looking at this tutorial it seems that the rootfs may be ufs
[01:01:06] <JetForMe> what does that mean for us?
[01:01:32] <rootard> it means my zfs send/receive method isn't viable for the root.
[01:01:40] <JetForMe> okay
[01:02:00] <JetForMe> If I bring home my 64-bit machine, can we make a 32-bit Nexenta image using it?
[01:02:50] <rootard> the bits are the same as 32 or 64-bit... so I think so. However I am uncertain of how 32/64 works with the i86xpv kernel
[01:03:44] <rootard> ah, the same way it is dealt with in general it seems... :)
[01:04:10] <JetForMe> Are you reading this? http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/latest/DeveloperGuide/
[01:04:20] <rootard> so yeah, a 64-bit instance will work as a 32-bit instance AFAIK
[01:04:26] <JetForMe> "Before selecting an AMI, determine whether the instance types you plan to launch are 32-bit or 64-bit. For more information, see Instance Types"
[01:04:44] <JetForMe> Instance Types: http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSEC2/latest/DeveloperGuide/index.html?instance-types.html
[01:05:38] <JetForMe> A note for the larger instance types: "We strongly recommend using the 2.6.18 Xen stock kernel with the c1.medium and c1.xlarge instances. Although the default Amazon EC2 kernels work, the new kernels provide greater stability and performance for these instance types."
[01:06:40] <rootard> c1.medium is 32-bit
[01:06:57] <rootard> is it more expensive than m1.small ?
[01:07:02] <JetForMe> I should've said, "for the more expensive types"
[01:07:12] * rootard nods
[01:07:19] <JetForMe> yes. m1.small works out to about $50/mo before storage and transfer charges
[01:08:34] <JetForMe> The High-CPU instances favor CPU over I/O
[01:08:50] <JetForMe> Since I'm setting up servers, I'm targeting the Small, for now
[01:08:50] <rootard> at first glance it seems that Nexenta should work just fine on any of the instance types
[01:09:01] <JetForMe> If our image boots them all, then SWEET
[01:09:04] <rootard> :)
[01:09:54] <JetForMe> Okay. I have to run a bunch of errands. I'm going to Australia in 2 weeks, and I have so many things to do before then, chief among them is transfer all my services at the colo to some other host (hopefully EC2)
[01:10:50] <JetForMe> rootard: should I go fetch my Nexenta machine and bring it home? It's not critical in the colo now, and it may be the only hardware I have that will work.
[01:10:51] <rootard> k, I'm going to test the tutorial for installing a Xen instance hopefully today.
[01:11:08] <rootard> If I get a working DomU then that may be enough to create an AMI
[01:11:14] <JetForMe> Are you going to sign up for EC2 and run through the whole thing?
[01:11:41] <rootard> Well, I've been meaning to do it anyway as a backup for my own colo
[01:11:52] <JetForMe> Oh great! Seems like I won't be much help, then :-)
[01:12:02] <JetForMe> By the way, it cost me all of $0.40 to run through the tutorial
[01:12:26] <rootard> good to know. I'll try not to run through the tutorial more than 10x then ;)
[01:12:31] <JetForMe> heh
[01:12:39] <Macer> do they charge by the byte?
[01:12:45] <JetForMe> they charge by the hour
[01:12:46] <rootard> or by the bit?
[01:12:55] <JetForMe> it's like $.10/hr for the small instance
[01:12:56] <Macer> rootard: heh
[01:13:08] <JetForMe> storage is by the GB-month
[01:13:16] <JetForMe> er...
[01:13:17] <Macer> how much per GB?
[01:13:17] <rootard> There are transfer charges as well but they are pretty small afaik?
[01:13:28] <Macer> what kind of speeds?
[01:13:56] <JetForMe> so, your instance gets 10 GB root partition, 150 GB for the rest. This is copied from your S3 bucket. So, you have to pay for S3 storage to keep your instance available for use
[01:14:05] <JetForMe> yes, the transfer charges are very small
[01:14:13] <JetForMe> and transfers within a region are free
[01:14:26] <Macer> can you block other regions?
[01:14:29] <JetForMe> I *think* that means transferring from S3 to EC2 when you first boot your image
[01:14:34] <Macer> say you get a US region and only want US connections
[01:14:42] <JetForMe> I don't think that's what they mean
[01:14:55] <JetForMe> if you set up your EC2/S3/EBS in the US region
[01:15:00] <JetForMe> and then set up others in the EU region
[01:15:06] <JetForMe> you'll be charged to transfer between them
[01:15:11] <Macer> i see
[01:15:18] <JetForMe> but the transfer charges from the general public to any region cost money
[01:15:21] <Macer> what kind of xfer speeds to you get from it?
[01:15:29] <JetForMe> I'm not sure
[01:15:54] <rootard> with the amount of infrastructure in Amazon I would hope it's decent
[01:15:59] <Macer> i need to work on nexenta.rancorous.org :)
[01:16:13] <JetForMe> the tutorial has apache on it, and I ran JMeter against that. It was a lot slower than loading  a static file from resin on my colo server
[01:16:20] <Macer> i don't think i have good enough bandwidth to do anything though
[01:16:21] <JetForMe> but that's an apples-oranges comparison
[01:16:22] <JetForMe> heh
[01:16:23] <Macer> only have 2mbit up
[01:16:35] <JetForMe> yeah, hard to say
[01:16:55] <Macer> and 16 down
[01:17:01] <JetForMe> that's about what I have
[01:17:13] <Macer> i should call them and ask if i can get more upstream
[01:17:20] <Macer> i'm on a comcast business line
[01:17:21] <JetForMe> comcast?
[01:17:30] <Macer> yeah
[01:17:33] <JetForMe> oh, i was gonna say, they'll probably upsell you to biz service
[01:17:50] <Macer> it is a business line ;)
[01:17:52] <JetForMe> how much is the service you have, and how many IPs is that?
[01:18:13] <JetForMe> since I have to remove my machines from the colo, i might just set them up here, if I can get a couple IPs for them
[01:18:13] <Macer> 1 ip for 120/month (after taxes and $30 cable tv bill included)
[01:18:15] <Macer> so 90/month
[01:18:24] <Macer> 5 ips cost an additional $10
[01:18:29] <Macer> but i didn't see a need for it until now
[01:18:29] <JetForMe> ok
[01:18:46] <JetForMe> maybe I'll do that, so I can deal with the transfer to EC2 after I get back from vacation
[01:18:54] <Macer> honestly the only reason i did it was because i got the "using too much bandwidth" call from them a while back
[01:19:03] <JetForMe> no kidding? I've never gotten that
[01:19:04] <Macer> before they put out a definate quota
[01:19:12] <JetForMe> okay, so, for the next few hours, no need for me to provide working hardware, right?
[01:19:25] <Macer> it was some india indian that tried to explain to me the difference between "unlimited internet" and "unlimited bandwidth"
[01:19:33] <JetForMe> yeah. jerks
[01:19:38] <JetForMe> that's funny
[01:19:45] <Macer> i was like "uhm. ok .. isn't that the same thing?" :)
[01:19:54] <Macer> that wasn't the worst part though
[01:19:55] <JetForMe> "unlimited" is a pretty clear term, to me
[01:19:58] <JetForMe> Fucking marketers
[01:20:08] <Macer> the worst part was that when i asked him to give me an alternative and i don't mind paying more money
[01:20:11] <Macer> he had no idea
[01:20:15] <JetForMe> wow
[01:20:17] <JetForMe> of course
[01:20:22] <JetForMe> okay, i really do have to run. I'll be back in 2-3 hours
[01:20:23] <Macer> he had nothing to offer.. i had to make 10 phone calls to find out how to get my line upgraded
[01:20:29] <Macer> ok... later
[01:20:50] <JetForMe> thanks for your help on this!
[01:20:54] <rootard> JetForMe: if I or someone else is successfull then no... I'd say wait until you are back from Australia :)
[01:21:40] <rootard> but hopefully it will be done before you go
[01:21:41] <JetForMe> well, looks like everyone I share the colo with is bailing at the end of this month. so I have to get my machines out before I go, or I'll be stuck with a $300 bill
[01:21:57] <JetForMe> I can live with moving them here if I get a few static IPs
[01:21:58] <JetForMe> ttyl
[01:22:02] <rootard> ttfn
[01:22:11] <Macer> you can't make nexenta a xen dom0?
[01:22:22] * rootard sighs
[01:22:39] <rootard> you can... you just can't create any DomU's underneath it
[01:22:51] <Macer> that defeats the purpose doens't it? :)
[01:22:51] <rootard> :)
[01:22:57] <rootard> yeah, basically.
[01:23:01] <Macer> haha
[01:23:18] <Macer> why can't you have the domUs?
[01:23:19] <rootard> The issue is python
[01:23:23] <Macer> ah... i see
[01:23:34] <Macer> yet another reason i hate python
[01:23:36] <Macer> :)
[01:23:46] <Macer> i think the last one was gentoo... i hate gentoo
[01:23:51] <rootard> it's not that python is horrible, it's that it is compiled 32-bit I think
[01:24:09] <Macer> the devs need to get with the program
[01:24:10] <Macer> :)
[01:24:34] <rootard> Now accepting dev applications ;)
[01:24:43] <Macer> i thought it odd that 64bit processors weren't accepted when they first arrived. but i guess that can be just because 64bit OSes sucked
[01:24:58] <Macer> rootard: i'd help if i knew how to code ;)
[01:25:13] <Macer> it's like learning to play the piano.. you don't regret not doing it until it is too late
[01:25:41] <Macer> i am going to send my son to piano lessons when he is 4 :)
[01:25:50] <Macer> and take them with him... i'm sure i am going to suck but why not?
[01:26:28] <Macer> anyways.. i have to tweak this zimbra server some more
[01:26:34] <rootard> lol, I wonder if the instructor will charge more for you or the 4-year old...
[01:26:48] <Macer> according to the ypl unless you modify the code you can't rebrand it
[01:27:12] <Macer> so i think i am going to open a .js and add #this is my modified code in order to screw yahoo over
[01:27:23] <Macer> line 289347329847238947342094387984734982347 is all me
[01:27:59] <Macer> rootard: i'm sure me
[01:28:16] <Macer> children are easier to teach if you can get the little bastards to hold still :)
[01:28:21] <rootard> That's a rather large .js file
[01:28:32] <Macer> i was talking about all the code :)
[01:28:43] <rootard> for some reason I think most browsers will choke
[01:28:53] <Macer> i was worried that ms was going to buy yahoo
[01:28:58] <Macer> because they would squash zimbra
[01:29:05] <Macer> or turn it into some sort of exchange abortion
[01:29:57] <Macer> speaking of microsoft abortions.. i need to set up a samba pdc on my nexenta box and see if it works with roaming profiles
[01:30:20] <Macer> my company gave me the green light to deploy a zimbra server at one of their plants
[01:30:40] <Macer> i was going to set it up the same as here.. nexenta with virtual box running a centos vbox with zimbra installed
[01:32:05] <Macer> figure i will build the rackmount stuff from scratch and get a nice 16port hw raid for the fileserver and build everything off of an i7 base
[01:32:38] <rootard> sounds like fun...
[01:32:57] <Macer> the building part will suck.. the software part will suck too .. but when it's done it will be fun :)
[01:33:26] <Macer> there are around 20 salary employees and 120 wage employees
[01:34:16] <Macer> then probably another 5 located in another city that will need to access it on the salary side... i'm going ot keep them seperate and have the network zimbra for the salary side and make an open source zimbra for the wage workers
[01:36:02] <Macer> anyways... i'm going to watch bones and take a nap
[01:36:10] <rootard> nn
[01:36:52] <Macer> is google the only place using xmpp for im?
[01:37:13] <rootard> I'm using xmpp for my work
[01:37:22] <Macer> well.. i mean of the larger providers :)
[01:37:24] <rootard> many universities have xmpp
[01:37:33] <Macer> like msn yahoo aol
[01:37:45] <rootard> ... one of the points of xmpp is federation
[01:38:02] <Macer> yeah. i thought it was awesome that google decided to use it
[01:38:12] <rootard> so my work jabber server can talk with google...
[01:38:13] <Macer> can add google contacts to zimbra
[01:38:29] <Macer> you would think that it would work with yahoo im also
[01:38:35] <Macer> considering they are the ones who own zimbra
[01:38:41] <rootard> is yahoo using xmpp?
[01:38:47] <Macer> i don't know
[01:38:49] <rootard> ah, I see
[01:38:53] <Macer> :) i was wondering
[01:38:59] <Macer> they own zimbra which uses xmpp
[01:39:13] <Macer> you would think that they would use it then
[01:39:52] <rootard> Maybe they bought it from an enlightened development group.
[01:40:10] <Macer> i'm sure they did
[01:40:15] <Macer> but it has so much potential
[01:47:07] <drajen> anyone have a ttcp for opensolaris x86?
[01:51:58] <drajen> nevermind, found one that compiled.
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[03:12:40] <JetForMe> rootard: any luck?
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[04:30:30] <rootard> JetForMe: it's slow-going for me
[04:31:05] <rootard> other things keep getting in my way
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[05:17:07] <rootard> nn
[05:21:58] <JetForMe> rootard: I know how that goes :-(
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[06:05:15] <[JT]_> Anyone know if Nexenta will run on a Soekris 5501?
[06:05:46] <[JT]_> That board uses an AMD Geode LX processor.
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[06:22:17] <anilg> morning all
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[06:40:31] <[JT]_> Hey anilg - you wouldn't know if anyone's tried installing Nexenta on a Soekris device, would you?
[06:40:53] <anilg> no
[06:41:09] <[JT]_> Cool - thanks.
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[08:28:35] <mrsteveman1> is there a block device encryption layer like dm-crypt in solaris (think freebsd has one too, geli maybe?)
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[08:37:37] <codestr0m> morning!
[08:37:44] <dtbartle> hello
[08:43:25] <codestr0m> dtbartle: soo.. after wasting a bit of time.. I finally figured out that only the most recent binutils can build the most recent gcc on osol
[08:43:38] <codestr0m> I've had to go to snapshot for both of them to avoid having to add patches
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[08:43:57] <codestr0m> also.. there's a number of regressions in 4.4
[08:44:10] <codestr0m> which I'm sure have been marked won't fix
[08:46:21] <anilg> mrsteveman1: take a look at lofiadm
[08:46:39] <mrsteveman1> anilg: thanks
[08:47:12] <anilg> http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=1029 ..
[08:47:17] <anilg> mrsteveman1: ^
[08:48:07] <dtbartle> codestr0m: targetting glibc with gcc/binutils is so much easier :P
[08:48:18] <dtbartle> why are you using binutils though?
[08:48:25] <dtbartle> can't you just use sun ld/as?
[08:48:43] <codestr0m> sun as is crap and it's not open source
[08:49:17] <codestr0m> (it's hard to screw up an assembler, but they trail behind and seem to be able to)
[08:49:35] <dtbartle> i hate gnu as because they use at&t x86 syntax
[08:50:15] <dtbartle> mov eax, ebx >> mov %ebx, %eax
[08:50:45] <codestr0m> dtbartle: I agree it's hard to read
[08:51:24] <dtbartle> i have little choice but to deal with it though
[08:51:43] <codestr0m> in terms of open source.. yes
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[11:14:39] <fesz> hi all
[11:15:17] <anilg> hey fesz
[11:17:10] <fesz> I`m trying to build file server on nexenta: I have 4disc and want to build raidz from all of them, my server has only 4 bay for discs, so I have no space for disc with root
[11:21:10] <fesz> is there some option howto deal with it? eitger install nexenta on raidz (installer don`t have option to manual partitioning discs) or boot from flashdisc (if i mount root readonly there are many problem with some files which system want to write to root)
[11:22:18] <fesz> or zfs deal with usbflash disc without worry about corrupt disc massive overwrite on some place ?
[11:24:01] <anilg> you can install to a flash drive or a USB hard disk
[11:24:17] <rootard> anilg: that doesn't always work
[11:24:24] <anilg> no?
[11:24:25] <rootard> in fact, it doesn't work for me
[11:24:53] <rootard> with NCP2 USB device probing on boot doesn't work like it did in NCP1
[11:25:10] <fesz> NCP2 works - my system is running now from 4G flash disk
[11:25:22] <rootard> in order to recognize a device it has to be unplugged/plugged after the kernel has booted
[11:25:37] <anilg> hmm..
[11:25:48] <anilg> fesz: and does it see the hard disks plugged in?
[11:25:49] <rootard> it is dependent on the USB drive itself
[11:26:42] <fesz> anilg, yep it see (it`s flash disc)
[11:27:59] <fesz> I worry about health of flash disc - if system write many times over same place, it won`t live long (onw experience on linux on flash disc)
[11:36:26] <fesz> or can I migrate somehow root from flashdisc to my raidz pool?
[11:39:24] <rootard> you can not boot from a raidz
[11:39:33] <rootard> only from a single drive or a mirror
[11:39:39] <rootard> it's a grub limitation
[11:39:48] <fesz> hm to bad :(
[11:41:50] <fesz> what do you think bout health of flashdisc in rw mode?
[11:42:04] <rootard> If you setup a loghost and turned off any local logging (and moved swap off of the flash) you could probably reduce the number of writes it will ever see
[11:42:43] <rootard> also, I think zfs uses a different block when writing to the same location in a file as part of the way it implements transactional updates
[11:45:28] <rootard> also, if you have a larger flash and set "copies=2" on the pool ... or another 4GB flash disk to mirror the existing one, you will not lose data
[11:45:36] <rootard> and usb flash disks are cheap ;)
[11:51:03] <fesz> yes I want have mirror pool from flash, time will show how long will flash survive :)
[11:51:11] <fesz> thx for your time
[11:51:24] <rootard> np, good luck :)
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[16:04:31] <RoyK> I must say Nexenta looks good - just need to be more familiar with it...
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[16:30:31] <rootard> RoyK: good to hear :)
[16:36:22] <RoyK> I'm setting up a couple of test servers
[16:36:38] <RoyK> one with nexenta/zfs and one with ubunut/btrfs (beta)
[16:37:56] <rootard> I'll be interested to hear how they compare for you
[16:38:25] <RoyK> somehow I think zfs will come out as the best, but I'm trying to be openminded about it
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[16:44:44] <rootard> yeah, btrfs is still very young. zfs is also young but I would say it's more likely to be considered machure.
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[16:46:39] <inf_> Afternoon all
[16:47:28] <RoyK> rootard: btrfs is still in beta
[16:47:34] <RoyK> not recommended for prod
[16:48:02] <RoyK> but - need to test it :)
[16:48:23] <RoyK> I guess a set of four 500GB SATA drives per box could be sufficient?
[16:51:54] <rootard> RoyK: yeah, that should suffice
[16:52:03] <rootard> inf_: Good afternoon
[16:52:40] <inf_> I've installed the RC1 in virtualbox, but I can only boot to a grub prompt... am I missing something? :)
[16:53:24] <inf_> 'root' identifies a zfs filesystem on hd,0,0,a.... but I can't appear to boot in...
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[16:55:07] <inf_> hey rootard
[16:55:14] <inf_> can anyone help?
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[16:56:26] <Laevar> hi, ist there a way to get the auto-snapshot services in nexenta 2 rc1 ?
[16:57:46] <inf_> rootard, I see from IRC logs you successfully installed in virtualbox? :)
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[17:01:20] <inf_> I'll try scsi emulation instead...
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[17:22:23] <rootard> inf_: sorry, my connection dropped
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[17:22:38] <inf_> tis cool
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[17:23:13] <inf_> any advice?
[17:23:19] <rootard> I have heard of failures when using VBox on Windows, maybe related to being 64-bit
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[17:23:38] <inf_> I'm running it under opensolaris
[17:23:45] <rootard> on the other hand, I have it working on my OSX host... hmm
[17:24:03] <inf_> you give it standard ide disks etc?
[17:24:14] <inf_> I got the stable version to boot
[17:24:31] <inf_> but couldn't find gnome / xorg / gdm in the repos...
[17:24:40] <inf_> as stated in the FAQ
[17:25:03] <rootard> yeah, IDE Primary Master is a Normal, 32GB vdi
[17:25:25] <rootard> I'm using 2.1.4
[17:26:18] <inf_> hmm, i'll have a fiddle
[17:26:35] <inf_> I've got belenix d/ling too so I'll toy with that also
[17:26:55] * rootard nods
[17:27:23] <rootard> There is also a remote possibility that the installer didn't finish correctly, in which case I would be interested to know
[17:27:34] <inf_> loving opensolaris but the package availability is craaap
[17:27:56] <inf_> ok, I've just reinstalled v2 on virt scsi disks, I'l see if it's any different
[17:28:33] <inf_> nope I still get to a grub prompt... wierd
[17:28:34] <rootard> gnome-core xorg and gdm should be in the repository
[17:29:04] <inf_> hmm, maybe I got the wrong iso
[17:29:29] <rootard> before you reboot from the installer, hit F2 and get the installed size. zpool status/zfs list
[17:30:15] <rootard> gnome/etc are not on the CD. The online repository contains extra packages
[17:32:03] <inf_> I had connection to the repo, could see a lot of packages but not them
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[17:34:08] <rootard> ~package gnome-core
[17:34:08] <nexybot> rootard: http://builder.tajinc.org/?f=package_status&view_method=name&package_name=gnome-core
[17:34:09] <inf_> hmm the 1.0.1 filename unzipped to 1.01-b85-test4
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[17:34:28] <rootard> ahh, yeah you need the 2.0-RC1
[17:34:54] <rootard> rsync://nexenta.org/releases/nexenta-core-platform_2.0-b104-rc1_x86.iso.zip
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[17:36:37] <inf_> OK thanks 70kb download, sigh ;)
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[17:37:54] <rootard> anilg: feel like releasing?
[17:38:32] <anilg> Know of NCP1->2 upgrades that went through..
[17:38:46] <anilg> i didnt see many comments on this in IRC..
[17:38:54] <anilg> then again.. maybe we have only a few NCP1 users
[17:39:10] <rootard> besides my testing in virtualbox?
[17:40:11] <anilg> Yes.. I was wondering if all things went well for folks who have lots of server apps installed, and how the upgrade works in terms of the new SMF services added
[17:40:39] <rootard> well, I haven't heard any complaints ;)
[17:40:40] <anilg> I'll have to create a new iso to include some zfs changes that were made after rc1..
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[17:41:04] <rootard> ah, so we need and RC2 then
[17:41:07] <rootard> *an
[17:41:22] <anilg> Yup..
[17:41:43] <anilg> another issue I noted was libtimedate-perl was required after installation (apt-get -f install)
[17:42:04] <anilg> no idea why debootstrap isnt installing it, as it is packaged in the iso, and included in the packages list
[17:42:36] <rootard> anything in the debootstrap.log?
[17:42:55] <rootard> any hints rather... I'm sure there is a lot in the log
[17:43:47] <anilg> i dont think I have the logs ATM.. creating a new iso now and will look into it
[17:44:03] <anilg> Any idea on the zlib fix? and if recompile of sunwssh will fix it?
[17:44:18] * rootard has no clue
[17:44:47] <rootard> the symbols are there but ssh can't find them
[17:45:02] <rootard> I suspect that recompiling ssh may fix the issue
[17:45:19] <rootard> or at least illuminate the problem
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[18:09:52] <inf_> Rootard: just to let you know, it's working now. I changed the IDE controller to PIIX3 and it appears to have resolved the issue
[18:10:12] <rootard> inf_: oh, that's good to know. Thanks!
[18:10:26] <inf_> np - inabit!
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[18:10:33] <rootard> Did you use 1.0 or 2.0?
[18:10:35] <rootard> bummer
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[18:12:40] <inf_> and I'm back... lol
[18:12:54] <inf_> please assist with my idocy
[18:13:26] <inf_> I'm logged in as root, done: apt-get update; apt-get install xorg
[18:14:01] <inf_> "Couldn't find package xorg"
[18:14:16] <anilg> inf_: are you on NCP1 or 2?
[18:14:28] <anilg> xorg and the gui parts are in NCP2
[18:15:32] <inf_> I'm on v2.0 rc1
[18:15:40] <inf_> wheres the ncp differentiation
[18:15:47] <inf_> ?
[18:18:32] <rootard> inf_: /etc/apt/sources.list  should have a line like "deb http://apt.nexenta.org hardy-unstable main contrib non-free"
[18:21:16] <rootard> also, /etc/issue should usually give you a good idea of what is installed
[18:21:48] <inf_> oh it looks like I've installed the stable version
[18:21:52] <inf_> juggling cds!
[18:21:58] <inf_> or isos rather
[18:22:17] <anilg> you could upgrade :) and help us test the NCP1->2 upgrade
[18:22:29] <anilg> 'apt-clone dist-upgrade' as root
[18:23:00] <inf_> I've got: deb http://apt.nexenta.org elatte-stable main contrib non-free
[18:23:12] <inf_> in sources.list - should there be anything else
[18:23:36] <inf_> hehe
[18:24:36] <rootard> change elatte-stable to hardy-unstable.
[18:24:38] <inf_> I ran that... it says no upgrades found
[18:24:41] <inf_> ok ta
[18:26:23] <inf_> whaey. xorg found
[18:26:24] <inf_> thanks
[18:26:29] <rootard> np
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[20:44:58] <JetForMe> rootard: Hey, I just got my registration approved for the Sun EC2 AMI
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[20:57:40] <JetForMe> rootard: argh, and now I realize I didn't need to register!
[21:00:32] <JetForMe> rootard: according to this (http://blogs.sun.com/ec2/entry/opensolaris_2008_11_on_amazon), "The root file system is ZFS in this AMI "
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[21:38:03] <JetForMe> um..dumb question, and I don't have my opensolaris bible here. How do I add a user?
[21:38:34] <JetForMe> nvm
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[22:57:07] <jzmer> anybody knows what kind of future lies ahead of nexenta (if) after the ibm purchase?
[22:58:21] <jzmer> or we shall just wait and see?
[22:58:33] <xinkeT> opensolaris will still exist and nexenta will still exist
[22:59:19] <xinkeT> the main question is will their be a big enough community to continue improving opensolaris.  My guess is yes
[22:59:42] <jzmer> even if ibm terminated the support?
[23:00:10] <xinkeT> opensolaris is out there, as open source.  It would be no different than Linux in that case
[23:00:42] <xinkeT> there are lots of people at Sun that devoted a lot of effort to building it, and they would probably continue contributing to it even if they no longer worked for Sun or whoever bought it
[23:02:58] <jzmer> but ibm might persuade corporate users into using linux, in that case the user base of (open)solaris would somehow dwindle
[23:03:27] <jzmer> and hence developer base
[23:03:48] <xinkeT> maybe so, but there are enough huge corporate and government users out there that it won't happen overnight
[23:03:51] <xinkeT> it might be years
[23:05:09] <xinkeT> I'm not worried about this.. I'm still buying Sun hardware, and will continue to use opensolaris and Nexenta for a long time
[23:06:00] <jzmer> xinkeT: if "inertia" would take that long, then i would say we still had a chance of broadening our user base
[23:07:33] <xinkeT> well, look how long SGI stuck around
[23:07:43] <xinkeT> it was officially dead years ago
[23:09:49] <jzmer> accursed m$ . . .
[23:10:59] <jzmer> they brought everybody out of business
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[23:52:44] <mrsteveman1> if IBM gpl's ZFS and all the other stuff there will be a lot of people who will just use linux
[23:54:48] <mrsteveman1> as long as they actually get the copyright to all the code they would probably do that

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