February 2, 2018 
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February 2, 2018 [01:32:27] *** Hanii <Hanii!~Hanii@2a00:23c4:484:d100:fdc1:3168:a26c:bbb7> has joined #netbeans[03:10:10] *** cust <cust!amaama@108.175.237.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:41:48] *** cpe <cpe!~cpe@unaffiliated/cpe> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:47:09] *** cpe <cpe!~cpe@unaffiliated/cpe> has joined #netbeans[07:44:52] *** lowbro <lowbro!~lowbro@2001:1610:0:b:28b2:e0f1:773e:28c8> has joined #netbeans[07:44:58] *** lowbro <lowbro!~lowbro@2001:1610:0:b:28b2:e0f1:773e:28c8> has quit IRC (Changing host)[07:44:58] *** lowbro <lowbro!~lowbro@unaffiliated/lowbro> has joined #netbeans[11:25:12] *** lone-wolf <lone-wolf!~l0n3w0lf@181.220.49.4> has joined #netbeans[11:42:20] *** lone-wolf <lone-wolf!~l0n3w0lf@181.220.49.4> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[12:51:17] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~sirlou@port482.ds1-noe.adsl.cybercity.dk> has joined #netbeans[12:55:36] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~sirlou@port482.ds1-noe.adsl.cybercity.dk> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:05:31] *** pZombie <pZombie!~pZombie@ppp-94-67-90-24.home.otenet.gr> has joined #netbeans[14:05:35] <pZombie> hello friends[14:06:27] <pZombie> i downloaded netbeans 8.2 to try out the jshell within it. But it does not exist it seems[14:06:41] <pZombie> under tools there is no jshell option to choose[14:07:52] <pZombie> friends??[14:11:58] <pZombie> friends!![14:19:26] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> If no one is there, no one can Help. What you expect? Please have a little Patienten and Join slack AS well[14:36:52] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~sirlou@port482.ds1-noe.adsl.cybercity.dk> has joined #netbeans[14:53:13] <pZombie> never mind, i eventually got it to work with the general release jdk9 and the latest development build[14:54:30] *** pZombie <pZombie!~pZombie@ppp-94-67-90-24.home.otenet.gr> has left #netbeans ("Leaving")[16:17:03] *** ehsavoie <ehsavoie!~ehsavoie@redhat/jboss/ehsavoie> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:22:53] *** ehsavoie <ehsavoie!~ehsavoie@redhat/jboss/ehsavoie> has joined #netbeans[17:15:23] *** cust <cust!amaama@2607:f2c0:f00f:2500::3> has joined #netbeans[17:19:16] *** lowbro <lowbro!~lowbro@unaffiliated/lowbro> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:10:39] *** lone-wolf <lone-wolf!~l0n3w0lf@181.220.49.4> has joined #netbeans[20:32:17] *** lone-wolf <lone-wolf!~l0n3w0lf@181.220.49.4> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:37:02] *** pZombie <pZombie!~pZombie@ppp-94-67-90-24.home.otenet.gr> has joined #netbeans[20:37:12] <pZombie> hello friends[20:37:39] <pZombie> how is it possible for something as important as auto-import to not have been fixed since over 3 months?[20:37:50] <pZombie> in the development builds which work with jshell[20:39:02] <pZombie> is there any way to get another version of netbeans to work with jshell? I tried 8.2 but there simply is no jshell option there for me[20:41:04] <pZombie> at first i thought it might have something to do with my window 10 OS being corrupted. So i built jdk9 and netbeans developer from scratch on my linux VM. Both in the VM and in windows 10 the nullpointer exception bug on fast import/auto import would occur[21:05:46] *** Hanii <Hanii!~Hanii@2a00:23c4:484:d100:fdc1:3168:a26c:bbb7> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:43:45] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> There are a lot of bugs/features that are important. Atm NetBeans is moving from Oracle to Apache so there is a lot of work todo. Atm only a few people are fixing bugs, the most ones are fixing license stuff. Is the bug still at bugzilla? If yes, please migrate your bug to JIRA, this is the new Bugtracker for NetBeans under Apache[21:43:50] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> pZombie[21:44:42] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So you are mixing 2 things here, the request for JShell in NetBeans 8.2 and a fast import bug.[21:44:53] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Please don't mix your questions, it is hard to follow[21:46:01] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So first JShell for NB 8.2 is possible. if you google exaclty for this: "netbeans 8.2 and jshell" you will find the answer[21:53:55] <pZombie> chrizzly - of course i googled nb 8.2 and jshell and saw many videos and blogs claiming it is possible. So i installed it, made it use jdk 8 the latest because it does not work with jdk9 which is odd because jshell is supposed to be contained in jdk9[21:54:18] <pZombie> but there is simply no option in the menus or right click on the project or elsewhere i checked to get the jshell[21:54:26] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Yes and you need JDK9 for this as in the videos is mentions it[21:54:33] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> and the blog post from Geertjan too[21:54:41] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> And I think the latest builds from that point[21:55:34] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> I don't know what the latest builds where at this time[21:55:37] <pZombie> if you use jdk9 on netbeans 8.2, as in start it with --jdkhome pointing to jdk9, you won't be able to open new projects which is mentioned somewhere else[21:55:54] <pZombie> have you actually used netbeans 8.2 with jshell together ?[21:56:22] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> I thought so, but it could be, that I used a nightly to test the jshell[21:56:31] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> so it is more the NB 9 nightly[21:56:45] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So no I think I didn't use it with NB 8.2[21:56:59] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Come and join our slack chan maybe someone else can help[21:57:00] <pZombie> thought so. NB 9 works perfectly fine with jshell[21:57:08] <pZombie> except for the auto import[21:57:17] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Ok so then what is the problem?[21:57:22] <pZombie> the auto import[21:57:26] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> The auto import is another problem[21:57:32] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> yeah but it has nothing todo with JShell[21:57:34] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> I think[21:57:39] <pZombie> right[21:57:42] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So please don't mix those 2 stuff.[21:57:46] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> It was hard to follow[21:57:51] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> so no problem with NB 9 and Jshell, right?[21:58:00] <pZombie> but without fast/auto import the jshell is less useful[21:58:07] <pZombie> it is supposed to be a tool to test things fast[21:58:33] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So if the fast import problem related to JShell then sure. But stuff after stuff.[21:58:39] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> You were asking to use JShell[21:58:42] <pZombie> no, no promblems with nb9 and jshell that i have detected so far[21:58:43] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> that is nor working, right?[21:58:46] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> With NB9[21:58:49] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> great[21:58:59] <pZombie> i was asking to use jshell with auto import working[21:59:02] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> so now the next thing is the Fast import problem. Is there already a bug?[21:59:13] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> reported?[21:59:38] <pZombie> the bug of fast imported not working has been reported 3 months ago already i believe. There are 5 reports. One report is very recent[21:59:54] <pZombie> after i mentioned it in the #java channel i think someone else must have reported it[21:59:57] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> so please post the links to the bugs[22:00:17] <pZombie> sure, give me a minute to find it again[22:01:23] <pZombie> https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=271844[22:01:24] <javabot> pZombie's title: "Bug 271844 NullPointerException at org.netbeans.modules.java.editor.imports.ComputeImports.computeCandidates"[22:01:40] <pZombie> but you should be able to reproduce it on your system as well[22:01:47] <pZombie> it seems to be hardware and OS independent[22:02:06] <pZombie> as it occurs both in windows 10 native on my hardware and in vmware running linux[22:03:20] <pZombie> portability gone wrong. Even bugs get ported[22:04:51] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> I don't use the latest builds, because the nightlies are not comfortable for me[22:04:56] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Missing features like JS, HTML, PHP etc[22:05:12] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So please post the links to the bugs[22:05:21] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> and we can have a look or vote for it[22:05:28] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> ahh you alreday did[22:05:50] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So as I said, this bugtracker is outdated[22:05:58] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> NetBeans is moving from Oracle to Apache[22:06:03] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> please file a new bug in JIRA[22:06:08] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> if there is no similar bug ticket[22:06:44] <pZombie> given this bug is over 3 months old, this is highly unlikely[22:07:01] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Well, it is as it is, thereare bugs that are longer[22:07:06] <pZombie> it exist in every nightly build i believe. I tried the earliest available, the latest and some inbetween[22:07:12] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> and as I said they are in the transition phase of moving from Oracle to Apache[22:07:29] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So no one knows it atm, because there are other prios[22:08:02] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-194[22:08:03] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "[NETBEANS-194] JShell integration causes NULL Pointer exception on JDK9 - ASF JIRA"[22:08:05] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> is this your bug?[22:08:33] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Check this query: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-194?jql=project%20%3D%20NETBEANS%20AND%20text%20~%20%22Null%22[22:08:34] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "Issue Navigator - ASF JIRA"[22:08:51] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> if it is not there or not similar, please file a bug there and migrate all of your bugs from Bugzilla to Jira[22:09:04] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> it is a pain in the ass of course, but Apache and for sure NetBeans needs our help[22:09:25] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> If you already have created bugs in bugzilla, migrate them to JIRA, I do the same for all of my bugs[22:09:39] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> make a reference to the old and the new one and someone will havr a look[22:10:11] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Here is smth with fast import: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-277[22:10:11] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "[NETBEANS-277] NPE at org.netbeans.modules.java.editor.imports.FastImportAction$1.run(FastImportAction.java:100) - ASF JIRA"[22:10:52] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> and again: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-214[22:10:53] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "[NETBEANS-214] NullPointerException when using "Fast Import" - ASF JIRA"[22:11:13] <pZombie> yes, that's the one[22:11:18] <pZombie> it says fixed[22:11:38] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> And you can see where[22:11:51] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> and how[22:12:12] <pZombie> does that mean it was fixed but not added yet?[22:12:40] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/331[22:12:41] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "[NETBEANS-214] Fixing FastImportAction. by jlahoda Pull Request #331 apache/incubator-netbeans GitHub"[22:12:45] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> It was a PR and it was merged into[22:12:53] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> into master[22:13:18] <pZombie> so why am i getting the exact same bug with the latest dev and jdk 9.04 ?[22:13:38] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> where do you get your dev?[22:14:21] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So if you still have the problem please go to jira and comment there your problem with stacktrace. Maybe they can help you clarify. Maybe you are using another dev build.[22:14:33] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Atm I don't know exactly where the correct dev builds are[22:14:42] <pZombie> http://bits.netbeans.org/download/trunk/nightly/latest/[22:15:00] <pZombie> this is the latest dev[22:15:16] <pZombie> but there is also a site where you can download different nightly versions[22:15:17] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> I can say you, first: join slack, more people active to help, second: join the apache mailing list for NetBeans, third: be a user on JIRA for NetBeans and search, create and comment there.[22:16:12] <pZombie> this is interesting. They think they fixed a bug when they haven't[22:17:01] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> No, it seems that maybe your enviroment is not up to date. First: Did you know the move from oracle to apache?[22:17:08] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> it is offtopic but it is important to know that[22:17:20] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> because everything is changing since months[22:17:39] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> the code base is now git based and on github not on hg.netbeans anymore, if so it is oudated[22:17:48] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> the bugtracker is moving from bugzilla to jira[22:17:51] <pZombie> told you, i used both linux in vmware and windows native. Both output the same error[22:17:54] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> the build pipeline is moving too[22:18:00] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> it doesn't matter[22:18:25] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> if you run an OLD, outdated build which is not exact the same build of the github repo[22:18:30] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> than it is still there of course[22:18:35] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> that could be the old world[22:18:43] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Please come to apache and see the papers[22:18:58] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> We are moving not from yesterday, we are moving from last year.[22:19:03] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> or still from 2016.[22:19:19] <pZombie> http://bits.netbeans.org/dev/nightly/ ... look at the dates[22:19:20] <javabot> pZombie's title: "Index of /dev/nightly/"[22:19:22] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> So it could be, that your link, also when there is the date from today, is outdatet[22:19:30] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> as I said[22:19:36] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> maybe a cron job[22:19:41] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> from the HG repo[22:19:46] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> so the HG repo is outdated[22:19:50] <pZombie> i see[22:19:55] <pZombie> you might be right then[22:20:06] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> it could be, but for this we have to clarify it[22:20:12] <pZombie> mind linking me to the right repos for an updated nightly?[22:20:29] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> I'm still searching, wait a second[22:21:26] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> First info here: http://wiki.netbeans.org/NewAndNoteworthyNB9 (Still old but you can see there is a link to NB9 new stuff to apache and the mailing list)[22:21:57] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> And here is the page with ALL info that you need: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=65873923[22:21:58] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "Apache NetBeans (incubating) - NetBeans - Apache Software Foundation"[22:23:11] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Check this out: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Releases[22:23:11] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "NetBeans Releases - NetBeans - Apache Software Foundation"[22:23:18] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> you have to check the sub sites[22:23:28] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta[22:23:29] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta - NetBeans - Apache Software Foundation"[22:23:44] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Downliad the beta here: https://builds.apache.org/view/Incubator%20Projects/job/incubator-netbeans-release/[22:23:45] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "incubator-netbeans-release [Jenkins]"[22:24:06] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> if your problem still exists, please reopen the related jira ticket that I posted before[22:24:30] <pZombie> this page you linked is almost empty?[22:24:56] <pZombie> beta isn't out yet i think[22:26:28] <pZombie> i have no clue what is going on[22:26:58] <pZombie> do you actually know a link where i can get the full netbeans 9.whatever apache version or whatever it is called[22:27:00] <pZombie> ?[22:28:04] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Yes, but see the navigation, there are sub links[22:28:13] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> there is no NetBeans 9 full[22:28:15] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> it is still beta[22:28:16] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> RC3[22:28:40] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> NB 9 Alpha, NB 9 Beta and later, hopefully soon, there will be NB 9 Stable[22:28:43] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> but it is not stable[22:28:48] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> the nightlies are not stable too[22:29:00] <pZombie> ok[22:29:17] <pZombie> do you have a link to a working nb9 alpha? I downloaded something but it is only 20mb[22:29:21] <pZombie> that cannot be it[22:30:45] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> https://builds.apache.org/view/Incubator%20Projects/job/incubator-netbeans-release/ this is the latest link for the beta.[22:30:46] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "incubator-netbeans-release [Jenkins]"[22:30:51] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> please have a closer look[22:31:09] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> the first beta-bin.zip is 159.45 MB[22:31:22] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> I guess you have chosen the platform[22:32:14] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~sirlou@port482.ds1-noe.adsl.cybercity.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[22:32:29] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> and again, everything what you need to know, is written here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=65873923[22:32:29] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "Apache NetBeans (incubating) - NetBeans - Apache Software Foundation"[22:32:31] <pZombie> i must have been blind. How did you get to this page?[22:32:40] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> News, mailinglists, infos, bugtracker, building pipelines etc[22:33:05] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> File uploaded https://netbeans.slack.com/files/U2BLJ28NA/F949FQ1CP/image.png / https://slack-files.com/T2BJL87A9-F949FQ1CP-b28b6d8df2[22:33:22] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-beta-bin.zip 159.45 MB anzeigen[22:33:27] <pZombie> thanks. Downloading it now[22:33:38] <pZombie> i will test if fast import works on it[22:34:18] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> great and if it is still not working, go to this bug ticket: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-214 and reopen it[22:34:19] <javabot> netbeans-slack's title: "[NETBEANS-214] NullPointerException when using "Fast Import" - ASF JIRA"[22:34:20] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> comment it[22:34:27] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> and add as much information to the ticket as needed[22:38:41] <pZombie> it seems to work[22:38:54] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> great :slightly_smiling_face:[22:38:58] <pZombie> actually it did not import anything yet, but it did not crash[22:39:16] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> so fast import is not working correctly?[22:39:19] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> But no NPE?[22:39:29] <pZombie> ah there we go[22:39:37] <pZombie> i typed jFrame instead of JFrame[22:39:45] <pZombie> import works, jshell works[22:39:52] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> perfekt[22:39:57] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> so see the bits url[22:39:59] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> is outdated[22:40:01] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> seems so[22:40:01] <pZombie> apache better signal those guys to take the old stuff down[22:40:12] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> points to the old world and the HG repo[22:40:19] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> yeah I will write a mail to the mailing list.[22:40:37] <pZombie> and no normal human could ever find the link to the beta[22:40:48] <pZombie> you must be an alien[22:40:59] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> of course, you can, have a look into the cwiki[22:41:01] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> it is no magic[22:41:08] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> this is a full Apache NetBeans page[22:41:18] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> there you have the navigation for NetBeans releases[22:41:25] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> click on it, see the navigation is growing[22:41:33] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> and shows you NetBeans alpha and beta[22:41:38] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> go deeper and deeper[22:41:46] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> use the search function etc.[22:42:09] *** pZombie <pZombie!~pZombie@ppp-94-67-90-24.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:43:07] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> Time to go, have a nice day/evening and join slack, apache and whatever you want ;)[22:43:17] *** pZombie <pZombie!~pZombie@ppp-94-67-90-24.home.otenet.gr> has joined #netbeans[22:43:30] <pZombie> sorry, got a bluescreen in windows... Haven't seen those in ages[22:43:43] <pZombie> hope it wasn't the netbeans beta[22:43:54] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> hope so too[22:44:01] <netbeans-slack> <chrizzly> bye[22:44:07] <pZombie> thanks[23:18:19] *** pZombie <pZombie!~pZombie@ppp-94-67-90-24.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:37:04] *** Cenbe <Cenbe!~cenbe@unaffiliated/cenbe> has joined #netbeans