November 20, 2014 
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November 20, 2014 [00:01:03] *** mEck0 has joined #netbeans[00:23:36] *** eithel has quit IRC[00:48:35] *** Ad1 has quit IRC[01:27:08] *** Ad1 has joined #netbeans[01:44:54] *** mEck0 has quit IRC[01:58:33] *** sfisque has quit IRC[02:20:20] *** sfisque has joined #netbeans[02:42:24] *** rodlogic has quit IRC[03:43:04] *** rodlogic has joined #netbeans[03:44:47] *** minemaz has joined #netbeans[03:49:16] *** rodlogic has quit IRC[04:04:26] *** darkbasic has quit IRC[04:05:10] *** darkbasic has joined #netbeans[04:13:33] *** wallbroken has joined #netbeans[04:13:44] <wallbroken> hi[04:19:48] <wallbroken> dooes netbeans debugger support code stepping?[04:25:49] <pdurbin> I believe so.[04:27:51] <sfisque> as in single step debugging? yes[04:29:42] <pdurbin> I've been exploring the "refactor" menu lately. Good stuff in there. My methods are getting shorter. :)[04:30:01] <sfisque> yah, the refactor menu saves me so much time[04:30:21] <sfisque> i love adding methods to ejb's and then using "pull up" to add it automatically to the local interface[04:30:30] <pdurbin> I was sort of inspired by listening to http://devchat.tv/ruby-rogues/178-rr-book-club-refactoring-ruby-with-martin-fowler[04:30:51] <pdurbin> "pretty much any decent Java IDE will automatically extract method for you"[04:31:08] <sfisque> IT'S TRUE!!!![04:31:19] <sfisque> though, the fact that it came out of his mouth, it is tainted[04:31:28] <pdurbin> works just fine in netbeans, but they call it "introduce method"[04:31:54] <pdurbin> sfisque: you're not a fan of Martin Fowler? you should give that episode a listen[04:32:50] <pdurbin> another quote from the same episode: Framing it wrong: management won't let us refactor +Martin Fowler said, "This… - https://plus.google.com/+PhilipDurbin/posts/DV7azLuFUc4[04:33:48] <sfisque> i find he says things i do agree with, and then says things that make me shake my head. he's smart, but i think given too much publicity[04:34:34] <pdurbin> hmm. I don't seek out his stuff but I'm happy to read or listen to it if someone links me to it[04:57:56] *** minemaz has quit IRC[05:01:58] *** minemaz has joined #netbeans[05:05:24] *** IsilZha has joined #netbeans[05:43:23] *** IsilZha has quit IRC[05:55:17] *** lasserix has joined #netbeans[06:10:53] *** anant_lelesys has joined #netbeans[10:47:30] *** echelog has joined #netbeans[11:03:44] *** azizur has joined #netbeans[11:21:28] *** darkbasic_ has quit IRC[11:22:48] *** darkbasic has joined #netbeans[11:24:12] *** bbankes has quit IRC[11:57:15] *** Monezz has quit IRC[12:00:27] *** jojovem has joined #netbeans[12:23:28] *** Monezz has joined #netbeans[13:08:58] *** lasserix has quit IRC[13:16:58] *** rodlogic has joined #netbeans[13:17:02] *** anant_lelesys has quit IRC[13:22:30] *** rodlogic has quit IRC[13:41:50] *** Match has joined #netbeans[13:57:13] *** azizur has quit IRC[13:57:20] *** rodlogic has joined #netbeans[14:32:11] *** azizur has joined #netbeans[14:49:28] *** 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has joined #netbeans[18:31:32] *** Li has quit IRC[18:51:13] *** Desus has joined #netbeans[19:06:36] *** jojovem has quit IRC[19:08:48] *** Candle has quit IRC[19:10:35] *** jojovem has joined #netbeans[19:11:11] *** cvanball has joined #netbeans[19:11:12] *** Match has quit IRC[19:11:21] *** cvanball has quit IRC[19:16:20] *** Candle has joined #netbeans[19:25:52] *** acrussell has joined #netbeans[19:31:10] *** Candle has quit IRC[19:31:38] *** TheBigDeal has joined #netbeans[19:31:48] <TheBigDeal> Hello[19:32:05] <TheBigDeal> How can i install it in utopic?[19:36:52] *** sfisque has quit IRC[19:38:33] *** Candle has joined #netbeans[19:38:41] *** Li_ has quit IRC[19:48:36] *** Candle has quit IRC[19:55:39] *** Candle has joined #netbeans[20:01:00] *** sfisque has joined #netbeans[20:08:34] <TheBigDeal> anyone wanna show me how can i install netbeans in ubuntu utopic?[20:10:16] <sfisque> 1) install java 2) download netbeans from netbeans.org 3) install 4) profits!!!![20:10:23] *** Desus has quit IRC[20:11:24] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, what java?[20:11:27] <TheBigDeal> which*[20:12:53] <wallbroken> netbeans vs xcode, which is better?[20:13:20] <TheBigDeal> :)[20:17:57] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, which version of java?[20:20:22] <sfisque> 7 or 8. either should do fine. i run on 7[20:20:42] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, I got an error when installing it[20:20:51] <sfisque> wallbroken i find xcode clunky and unusable for java[20:21:01] <sfisque> what kind of error?[20:21:07] <TheBigDeal> let me paste[20:21:09] <sfisque> thebigdeal, what kind of error[20:21:10] <sfisque> kk[20:21:45] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, /tmp/.nbi-4112128.tmp/jre-7u4-linux-x64.bin: 1: /tmp/.nbi-4112128.tmp/jre-7u4-linux-x64.bin: Syntax error: ")" unexpected[20:22:44] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, Cannot prepare bundled JVM to run the installer.[20:23:00] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, Most probably the bundled JVM is not compatible with the current platform.[20:23:24] <sfisque> 7u4 is very old. i would go ahead and iinstall a newer version[20:23:49] <sfisque> but honestly, that error looks like a shell script error[20:23:55] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, this is not 7.0.1[20:23:59] <TheBigDeal> it is 8.0.1[20:24:35] <sfisque> jre-7u4-linux-x64.bin == java 7u4. the current v7 release is something like 7u45[20:24:52] <sfisque> your java is 41 releases old[20:25:04] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, oooooooh[20:25:12] <sfisque> and honestly, distro bundled javas s*ck a$$[20:25:20] <sfisque> better to just download java fresh and install[20:25:26] <sfisque> and then proceed from there[20:25:27] <TheBigDeal> I think that i have netbeans 7.0.1 installed[20:25:43] <sfisque> distro release?[20:25:44] <TheBigDeal> still installed[20:25:51] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, 14.10[20:26:06] <sfisque> no, i mean is the netbeans installed a distro release or from netbeans.org[20:26:32] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, the 701?[20:26:35] <sfisque> yes[20:26:42] <TheBigDeal> distro[20:26:58] <sfisque> you can just delete that. distro repacks of netbeans are just a headache[20:27:09] <sfisque> cause more issues than solve[20:27:22] <sfisque> get a fresh java install, then grab fresh netbeans and install[20:27:25] <sfisque> should be fine after theat[20:27:26] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, I did sudo apt-get remove netbeans, but it was not enough to remove it[20:27:27] <sfisque> **that[20:27:46] <sfisque> you can just rm -rf $NETBEANS_HOME[20:27:58] <sfisque> dont use that variable[20:28:05] <sfisque> that was just for example[20:28:11] <sfisque> netbeans installs are "self contained"[20:28:20] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, Do i install java from the distro release or from the website?[20:28:31] <sfisque> just rm -rf the netbeans dir and it's cleared[20:28:48] <sfisque> i'd recommend getting the oracle installer unless your distro NEEDS something wonky to get java running[20:29:24] <sfisque> this is why i run slackware. no apt or other pkg manager mucking up the machine[20:29:39] <TheBigDeal> :d[20:29:44] <TheBigDeal> alright[20:29:48] <sfisque> though there is a slack pkg manager that recently appeared, but i try not to use it :P[20:30:02] <sfisque> i like my unix with sharp edges :-D[20:30:32] <TheBigDeal> hehe[20:30:39] <TheBigDeal> cool[20:31:30] <TheBigDeal> jdk 7 installed already :([20:31:40] <TheBigDeal> should i remove it?[20:32:00] <sfisque> do java -version[20:32:31] <sfisque> i'm assuming that's the 7u4 version[20:32:35] <TheBigDeal> java version "1.7.0_65"[20:32:36] <TheBigDeal> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.5.3) (7u71-2.5.3-0ubuntu1)[20:32:36] <TheBigDeal> OpenJDK Client VM (build 24.65-b04, mixed mode, sharing)[20:32:43] <sfisque> oh, nice[20:32:51] <sfisque> 7u71 is pretty close to current[20:33:22] <TheBigDeal> what next?[20:33:22] <sfisque> oh, openjdk. hrm. i'm not sure netbeans is qualified for openjdk. you might NEED to run oracle java.[20:33:35] <TheBigDeal> aha[20:33:35] <sfisque> does anyone else in channel know if netbeans is qualified on openjdk?[20:33:46] <TheBigDeal> I would tell you[20:33:59] <TheBigDeal> I don't think so[20:34:06] <TheBigDeal> I need install oracle jdk[20:34:10] <TheBigDeal> But how?[20:37:21] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, I got it from webupd6[20:37:25] <TheBigDeal> upd8*[20:37:26] <TheBigDeal> :D[20:37:40] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, what do you think of oracle java8[20:39:59] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, are you up there?[20:47:18] *** azizur has quit IRC[21:03:43] *** mr_lou has quit IRC[21:09:16] <sfisque> back[21:09:39] <sfisque> i have not used 8 yet. from what i've seen, it has a few nifty features, but nothing "compelling" imo[21:15:42] *** bbankes has quit IRC[21:20:38] *** bbankes has joined #netbeans[21:25:27] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, are you here :)[21:26:10] *** bbankes has quit IRC[21:29:07] *** bbankes has joined #netbeans[21:32:30] <sfisque> i am[21:33:17] <TheBigDeal> good[21:33:31] <TheBigDeal> I'm installing the oracle jdk 8 from webupd8[21:40:13] *** acrussell has quit IRC[21:43:50] *** jojovem has quit IRC[21:46:31] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, the same error after installing java 8[21:46:32] <TheBigDeal> :D[21:47:38] <sfisque> probably a shell issue. what shell are you using to execute the installer?[21:47:56] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, bourne again :P[21:48:23] <sfisque> execute it in bourne. /bin/sh ./Java_Installer.sh[21:48:32] <TheBigDeal> /tmp/.nbi-4114813.tmp/jre-7u4-linux-x64.bin: 1: /tmp/.nbi-4114813.tmp/jre-7u4-linux-x64.bin: Syntax error: ")" unexpected[21:49:38] <sfisque> wierd. it keeps grabbing that 7u4 jre. can you juggle your $PATH var to have java 8 up front so it gets called instead of whatever is in your /usr/bin dir[21:49:46] <TheBigDeal> /bin/sh: 0: Can't open ./Java_Installer.sh[21:50:08] <sfisque> lol, i only used that name, you would use whatever the exact name of the installer is[21:50:20] <TheBigDeal> hehe[21:50:25] <TheBigDeal> let me try again[21:50:45] <TheBigDeal> the same error :P[21:51:22] <sfisque> wierd[21:51:26] <TheBigDeal> sorry i become interpreting things horribly when i get tired :)[21:52:19] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, How can i change that 7ur?[21:52:23] <TheBigDeal> 7u4*[21:55:15] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, cipher the /tmp^[21:57:44] <TheBigDeal> sfisque, what are these /tmp files, for installing?[21:58:03] *** minemaz has quit IRC[22:00:09] <TheBigDeal> they say : rebooting solves many problems :D let me try my chance.[22:00:37] *** TheBigDeal has quit IRC[22:27:20] *** bbclover has joined #netbeans[22:27:30] <bbclover> does anyone know how to set up subversion history here?[22:27:41] <bbclover> I have to set $Path in windows or something?[22:46:03] *** bbclover has quit IRC[23:26:37] *** Ad1_RN has joined #netbeans[23:29:53] *** Ad1 has quit IRC