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[00:02:45] *** XndrK <XndrK!~alexander@rrcs-97-77-163-129.sw.biz.rr.com> has joined #manjaro
[00:03:33] <XndrK> Trying to update software; both pamac and pacman -Syu break after trying to check package integrity
[00:03:56] <XndrK> "error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package)"
[00:16:40] <ihatemyisp> should post the full output
[00:17:31] <XndrK> https://bpaste.net/show/77OUG
[00:19:03] <ihatemyisp> would usually tell you which and why
[00:20:15] <Velvet> korealinux posted this earlier...it fixed my issues twice...fwiw https://forum.manjaro.org/t/how-to-solve-keyring-issues-in-manjaro/4020
[00:21:08] <Velvet> worked today on a 1.3 gb update
[00:21:32] <Velvet> the last 2 steps were critical
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[00:31:10] <XndrK> is there a way to check if my system time is set correctly?
[00:31:18] <ihatemyisp> timedatectl
[00:33:19] <XndrK> https://bpaste.net/show/263UU I'm good, I presume?
[00:34:16] <ihatemyisp> if that timezone is correct
[00:34:42] <XndrK> it is
[00:34:50] <XndrK> so I'm good, yay \o/
[00:35:27] <XndrK> but running pacman -Sc and then reinstalling after refreshing the keyrings did the job, looks like
[00:35:35] <Velvet> \o/
[00:35:40] <XndrK> kudos for the help, especially to Velvet
[00:35:47] <XndrK> thanks for the link
[00:36:00] <Velvet> you're quite welcome...just went through the same thing :)
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[01:29:57] <erm3nda> i've remember today why even Linux lover do use Windows time to time
[01:30:36] <erm3nda> 3 programs to make a SINGLE video cut. 3 shits for me. One doesn't save audio, Those others missing libs. Took me HOURS to solve the problem, by using a web service ...
[01:30:42] <erm3nda> im impressed
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[01:31:04] <ihatemyisp> cinelerra is basically the other video editor worth using on gnu/linux
[01:31:12] <erm3nda> the one i skipepd
[01:31:13] <erm3nda> omg
[01:31:14] <erm3nda> let me try
[01:31:17] <c|oneman> video editing was always a nightmare on any platform, IMHO. except maybe mac
[01:31:20] <erm3nda> bad name, sorry :D
[01:31:21] <ihatemyisp> missing libs is generally a user error though....
[01:31:31] <erm3nda> <ihatemyisp> missing libs is generally a user error though....
[01:31:32] <erm3nda> NO
[01:31:33] <ihatemyisp> aka not reading the optdeps
[01:31:35] <erm3nda> NO WAY, SORRY
[01:31:41] <ihatemyisp> it is
[01:31:43] <erm3nda> no
[01:31:50] <c|oneman> I remember tyring to use adobe premiere 6.0 on windows, what a piece of garbage
[01:32:01] <ihatemyisp> but who reads package manager output anyway
[01:32:03] <erm3nda> i believe you, but premiere is easy at all
[01:32:10] <erm3nda> me
[01:32:22] <erm3nda> but the output had no explanation, even with --debug
[01:32:29] <erm3nda> im sorry but NO, big no for you this time
[01:32:32] <erm3nda> sorry :D
[01:32:36] <erm3nda> let me try Cinderella
[01:34:15] <erm3nda> my system is almost broken, i used the manager as anyone should do. how the f*** can this be my fault
[01:34:19] <ihatemyisp> it is the closest thing to a professional video editor if you want open source
[01:34:23] *** PipeItToDevNull is now known as PipeItToCrumpet
[01:34:24] <erm3nda> is not the first time that this happens
[01:34:32] <ihatemyisp> with a matching learning curve of course
[01:34:33] <erm3nda> i used blender in the tpast
[01:34:41] <ihatemyisp> there is a non-free one that is decent too
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[01:35:07] <erm3nda> i want open source
[01:35:23] <erm3nda> i looke this time for a single bar, single button to cut videos
[01:35:25] <ihatemyisp> lightworks claimed they would go open source but didn
[01:35:27] <ihatemyisp> t
[01:35:37] <erm3nda> im sure those worked without problem in evey computer, not mine
[01:35:44] <ihatemyisp> they made the claim back in 2010 or something but nothing so far :p
[01:35:56] <erm3nda> ill try cinelerra, stop verbose please
[01:35:58] <erm3nda> :)
[01:36:00] <Velvet> ty for mentioning cinelerra
[01:36:33] <erm3nda> no one (not me) want's to heard about a program that wanted to be open source. if i ask for opensource, i ask for right now
[01:36:40] <erm3nda> anyway, thank you so much for your recommend
[01:37:06] <ihatemyisp> there is davinci too
[01:37:12] <ihatemyisp> (also non-free)
[01:37:12] <erm3nda> so smart for me
[01:37:17] <erm3nda> sure it is extremely complicated :D
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[01:37:42] <erm3nda> too way smart for me, sorry, still learning english
[01:37:46] <ihatemyisp> if you just want to cut at known times, just use ffmpeg / gstreamer :p
[01:38:01] <erm3nda> wanted to use some qt (or other) instead than cli this time
[01:38:16] <erm3nda> just a single video cut
[01:39:51] <erm3nda> i used a web service, but still wanting to have something easy/fast to do the same again in the future
[01:40:02] <erm3nda> my system is half-broken, im trying to get yay back
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[01:47:45] <erm3nda> im stucked
[01:47:46] <erm3nda> buscando conflictos entre paquetes...
[01:47:46] <erm3nda> error: no se pudo preparar la operación (no se pudieron satisfacer las dependencias)
[01:47:46] <erm3nda> :: instalando pacman (5.2.1-1) se rompe la dependencia con «pacman<5.2», necesaria para el paquete pamac-common
[01:47:46] <erm3nda> ==> ERROR: «pacman» ha fallado al instalar las dependencias que faltaban.
[01:47:59] <erm3nda> i cant get yay back even from the PKGBUILD source
[01:48:48] <erm3nda> sorry, my fault, it's the pamac (not pacman) the one broken
[01:48:49] <erm3nda> fixed
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[02:01:12] <Betal> erm3nda: you only want to cut a video?
[02:04:15] <Betal> erm3nda: you don't need a full featured video editor to cut
[02:04:28] <Betal> there is no reason to re-render a video for cut
[02:04:54] <erm3nda> sure of that
[02:05:03] <erm3nda> tried first time avidemux-qt but exported without sound
[02:05:24] <Betal> erm3nda: how?
[02:05:40] <Betal> erm3nda: what format?
[02:05:42] <erm3nda> i ask myself the same thing
[02:05:55] <Betal> I always use avidemux and it works
[02:06:05] <erm3nda> did i say my system is half-broken? XD
[02:06:06] <erm3nda> sorry
[02:06:30] <Betal> there is not half-broken to be honest
[02:06:37] <erm3nda> well, it's on, but missing things
[02:06:39] <erm3nda> that's why half
[02:06:47] <erm3nda> i can't say yes to your comment, sorry
[02:06:57] <Betal> pacman -Syu return what?
[02:07:15] <Betal> that there is nothing to do?
[02:07:18] <erm3nda> sorry, im doing another thing right now, not interested to deal with terminal more, not today
[02:07:25] <erm3nda> im trying cinelerra fisrt
[02:07:28] <erm3nda> thank you so much
[02:07:37] <erm3nda> always there's something to do
[02:07:48] <erm3nda> but im exhaust right now, more tomorrow
[02:08:22] <erm3nda> i solved the pacman problem, but i don't think that will solve the problem with avidemux, and i am not sticked with any in particular, if cinelerra works im fine
[02:10:19] <erm3nda> im sorry but cinelerra is extremelly ugly and useless for me, i can't found the OPEN at glance
[02:10:31] <erm3nda> do i need to study to do a cut with it? lol
[02:10:34] <erm3nda> im tired
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[02:20:15] <erm3nda> avidemux-qt worked, i didn't noticed the muxer settings, i thought it would be something like auto because video and audio output had "copy" by default
[02:21:03] <erm3nda> also expected to select video extension at saving dialog, not first
[02:21:14] <erm3nda> thank you so much
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[02:23:29] <netlar> I am having this problem when I try to do an update https://pastebin.com/dtPaAm2F
[02:23:36] <netlar> I am not sure how to fix this
[02:29:05] <erm3nda> sudo pacman -S pamac-common
[02:29:08] <erm3nda> the same problem than me
[02:29:11] <erm3nda> try it
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[02:29:49] <erm3nda> netlar,
[02:32:01] <erm3nda> i don't figure out why those things are not fixed automatically and silently by the manager
[02:32:41] <netlar> erm3nda: ok
[02:33:33] <erm3nda> case not works, try to remove pamac-qt first, then reinstall once pamac is updated. you may be into a dependency hell loop :-)
[02:34:59] <netlar> erm3nda: Yes that did not work..I will remove pamac-qt. Is it safe to remove the pamac-qt package?
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[02:45:28] <netlar> Ok..I was able to do a system upgrade, but now I am unable to install pamac-qt
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[02:47:19] <erm3nda> what's the current problem output?
[02:47:30] <erm3nda> Is it safe to remove the pamac-qt package? i cant say, late reply
[02:47:46] <erm3nda> yoy should wait when put a question :O
[02:47:48] <erm3nda> don't :D
[02:48:22] <erm3nda> as far as i figure out, you don't need any graphical thing to make updates at all
[02:48:24] <netlar> Well the system upgrade worked. It is the same problem
[02:48:32] <erm3nda> exact output?
[02:48:35] <erm3nda> paste please
[02:49:36] <netlar> https://pastebin.com/RLveuqhb
[02:50:25] <erm3nda> what happens right now if you try just sudo pacman -S pamac-common again?
[02:50:46] <netlar> hold on
[02:51:00] <Betal> pamac is only a pacman helper
[02:51:14] <erm3nda> well, it's making error, even if you try to say its not important
[02:51:51] <Betal> netlar: what show up if you run pacman -Syu ?
[02:51:52] <netlar> it wants to reinstall..should I?
[02:52:12] <erm3nda> give a try
[02:52:16] <erm3nda> is worth
[02:52:56] <netlar> Betal: the system shows up to date
[02:53:13] <netlar> erm3nda: I reinstalled but the conflict continues
[02:54:53] <netlar> erm3nda: pamac-qt does show as an experimental package
[02:55:21] <erm3nda> if you ended up with the same problem than before i can't really help
[02:55:25] <erm3nda> i really solved just installint one package
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[02:55:33] <Betal> pamac gtk works?
[02:57:00] <netlar> Betal: not instaled
[02:57:45] <netlar> erm3nda: Which package?
[02:58:03] <erm3nda> pamac-common :-/
[02:58:46] <netlar> huh..just seems like pamac-qt does not like the latest version of pamac-common
[02:59:03] <erm3nda> me too
[02:59:19] <erm3nda> or me neither? XD
[02:59:23] <erm3nda> my english sucks, sorry
[02:59:24] <netlar> ha ha
[02:59:53] <netlar> Not me, I guess is what you are trying to say
[03:00:24] <erm3nda> not me is like "not me", i want to agree that i dont like pamac-common
[03:00:28] <erm3nda> ur not english? :D
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[03:00:36] <netlar> I am lol
[03:00:43] <erm3nda> then why guessing?
[03:00:54] <netlar> I thought you were trying to say you were not have the same problem as me
[03:00:55] <erm3nda> how do i say "i too" to what you said?
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[03:01:11] <erm3nda> i said i dont like pamac-common like pacman-qt does
[03:01:13] <erm3nda> sorry
[03:01:29] <netlar> I am so confused now
[03:01:33] <erm3nda> s/i too/me too
[03:01:35] <erm3nda> so sorry
[03:01:40] <erm3nda> let me resume
[03:01:48] <erm3nda> huh..just seems like pamac-qt does not like the latest version of pamac-common
[03:02:04] <erm3nda> I DONT LIKE latest version of pamac-common, because wasted my time
[03:02:05] <erm3nda> :-)
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[03:02:42] <netlar> Well more accurately..pamac-qt is in conflict with pamac-common
[03:03:02] <Velvet> ^
[03:03:52] <erm3nda> hate-love relationship
[03:04:02] <netlar> I suppose it is
[03:04:03] <erm3nda> he want's but can't :D
[03:04:08] <erm3nda> wants
[03:04:16] <erm3nda> lol, im out, im sorry, im soo tired
[03:04:19] <erm3nda> i should not be here
[03:04:21] <netlar> me too
[03:04:22] <netlar> thanks
[03:04:23] <erm3nda> good luck with your problem
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[04:11:13] <noobmanjaroman> hi could someone help me fix this issue with package manager, i am trying to install jre but it says invalid or corrupted package
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[04:15:34] <Velvet> Lol... hang on
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[04:16:19] <Velvet> korealinux posted this earlier...it fixed my issues twice...fwiw https://forum.manjaro.org/t/how-to-solve-keyring-issues-in-manjaro/4020
[04:16:31] <Velvet> the last 2 steps were critical
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[04:29:29] <noobmanjaroman> it worked, thank you so much Velvet!!!!
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[06:19:25] <mclipsco> here's a good one for you all: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/11/can-you-spot-the-hidden-object-in-this-great-white-shark-photo
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[07:17:58] <Velvet> korealinux: that link saved me again today and helped several other people. ty <3
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[07:33:59] <korealinux> Velvet: the keyring expired again on same machine?
[07:34:14] <korealinux> or different machine
[07:34:37] <Velvet> i had a 1.3 gb update today with same issue as last update...yes
[07:34:49] <Velvet> same machine
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[07:36:42] <korealinux> that does not seem good
[07:37:02] <korealinux> it should not be expiring that quickly so something is not right
[07:37:20] <korealinux> did you save the error?
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[07:38:03] <Velvet> no
[07:38:16] <Velvet> i'll look for you next time
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[08:19:00] <korealinux> but i do not have any special knowledge of keyrings other than what is in that thread
[08:19:36] <korealinux> i have never had a keyring issue myself
[08:19:57] <korealinux> i update my keyrings when it asks, and everything has worked
[08:22:36] <Velvet> *nod*
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[16:01:11] <vfbsilva> Howdy folks, I was hit by the latest nvidia update, as I use a prime setup with a nvidia/intel card I was not able to fix my xorg so far, could you please give me some insights?
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[16:04:36] <vfbsilva> ive tried to update nvidia drivers to 440 amd im using kernel 4.19
[16:21:04] <vfbsilva> also tried the solutions proposed here: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/can-no-longer-boot-after-system-update-2019-11-14/111273/20 I believe the issue is that I use a ptime setup https://forum.manjaro.org/t/howto-set-up-prime-with-nvidia-proprietary-driver/40225
[16:23:53] <korealinux> wow forum is really slow for me right now
[16:24:34] <vfbsilva> korealinux seems oki here
[16:25:16] <korealinux> it must be connection to korea
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[16:29:19] <korealinux> vfbsilva: uninstall cuda first
[16:29:31] <korealinux> that is stopping you from uninstalling video-nvidia-430xx
[16:30:05] <korealinux> mhwd really needs to be updated for that error
[16:32:48] <korealinux> wait so you uninstalled nvidia-utils?
[16:32:51] <korealinux> through pacman?
[16:34:30] <korealinux> if you did that, did you do 'mhwd -r pci video-nvidia-430xx' after?
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[16:39:40] <korealinux> i don't have a prime setup, so i don't know what uninstalling drivers does to it
[16:40:01] <korealinux> installing drivers should re-create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-mhwd.conf
[16:40:07] <vfbsilva> well, im afraid mhwd breaks it all
[16:40:10] <vfbsilva> lets see
[16:41:20] <korealinux> it wasn't mhwd, a nvidia package was left behind for nvidia 430 on 4.19 kernel
[16:41:40] <korealinux> if you refresh your mirrors, the package should be there now
[16:41:50] <vfbsilva> oki cuda gone ,qhat about now?
[16:42:24] <korealinux> do what you did before
[16:43:16] <korealinux> mhwd -r pci video-nvidia-430xx
[16:43:26] <korealinux> mhwd -i pci video-nvidia-440xx
[16:44:03] <vfbsilva> already installed
[16:44:12] <vfbsilva> should i startx?
[16:44:24] <korealinux> i don't know where you are now then
[16:44:34] <korealinux> what have you done already?
[16:44:38] <vfbsilva> yes
[16:45:10] <vfbsilva> xserver wont boot
[16:45:37] <korealinux> well did you go through the prime setup again?
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[16:45:54] <korealinux> like i said i can't help you with prime
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[16:46:20] <korealinux> re-installing drivers recreates files prime does not need
[16:46:39] <vfbsilva> duh I didnt
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[16:50:59] <korealinux> Also it is good to have backup kernel in cases like this when there are problems with drivers
[16:51:39] <korealinux> installing another kernel you would have bootable system
[16:51:52] <korealinux> until you figure what is problem with 4.19
[16:52:14] <korealinux> (we know the problem now.. it was driver package that was left behind)
[16:52:56] <korealinux> instead of uninstalling video drivers like this
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[16:53:16] <korealinux> which has messed up your prime setup
[16:55:35] <vfbsilva> system hangs at boot
[16:56:04] <korealinux> what did you do?
[16:56:45] <vfbsilva> i redid the prime setup and rebooted
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[16:57:26] <vfbsilva> it could not initialize the nvidia kernel module
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[16:57:56] <korealinux> which driver are you on now?
[16:58:00] <vfbsilva> I redid those steps: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/howto-set-up-prime-with-nvidia-proprietary-driver/40225
[16:58:35] <vfbsilva> 440.41-2
[16:59:26] <korealinux> i don't know what to say, this is really a prime setup question now
[16:59:47] <korealinux> the initial problem is fixed by switching to 440 or updating mirrors
[17:00:10] <vfbsilva> well can you just help me to use vesa or have a bootable x?
[17:01:13] <korealinux> you should create a thread, it is really hard to do this type of thing in chat
[17:01:18] <korealinux> also i am not right person to help you
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[17:01:46] <vfbsilva> oki, but it is hard to debug only on tty
[17:01:54] <vfbsilva> without copy paste
[17:02:36] <korealinux> the thread you posted in has already been solved
[17:02:41] <korealinux> so yes create your own thread
[17:03:08] <korealinux> with all the steps you have done so far
[17:03:22] <korealinux> so prime setup experts can diagnose
[17:04:18] <korealinux> if it was me, i would remove all prime modifications and start over
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[17:05:24] <korealinux> but i do know have experience with prime, so that may be wrong advice
[17:05:32] <korealinux> know=not
[17:06:18] <vfbsilva> korealinux okay, I just sshed into the machine from my gaming box now it will be easier
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