January 31, 2018 
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January 31, 2018 [00:00:17] *** rochr4 <rochr4!~rochr4@89-64-37-116.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #manjaro[00:02:30] *** rochr4 <rochr4!~rochr4@89-64-37-116.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:08:04] *** mnemonic <mnemonic!~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion> has joined #manjaro[00:10:23] *** semeion <semeion!~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:13:15] *** dab0zz1 <dab0zz1!~dab0zz@c-98-245-1-140.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:13:55] *** mnemonic <mnemonic!~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0)[00:21:16] *** chomwitt <chomwitt!~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc08:a00:1054:96fe:3d37:e5e9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:26:18] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@91.93.54.212> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:28:26] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAADDB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:32:51] *** RedCat27 <RedCat27!~redcat@gateway/tor-sasl/redcat27> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[00:33:30] *** rochr4 <rochr4!~rochr4@89-64-37-116.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #manjaro[00:35:14] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has joined #manjaro[00:41:42] <rochr4> 4.9.78-1-MANJARO >>> preempt mod_unload modversions ' should be '4.14.15-1.1-MANJARO SMP preempt mod_unload modversions retpoline, how to ? 4.9 kernel works.[00:42:57] <rochr4> I did full Syuu and reverted intel-ucode to 2017, I run amd K10[00:44:17] <rochr4> lightdm won't load on 4.14, known issue ? :)[00:47:06] *** chozen <chozen!~chozen@72.252.104.141> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:59:37] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@toroon2634w-lp130-02-76-67-75-153.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[01:02:08] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has joined #manjaro[01:09:21] <HeyCitizen_> lol that goon[01:12:01] *** HeyCitizen_ is now known as HeyCitizen[01:13:23] <rochr4> where[01:20:23] *** Stuzzly <Stuzzly!~Stuzz@124-170-153-237.dyn.iinet.net.au> has joined #manjaro[01:21:10] *** Stuzz <Stuzz!~Stuzz@124-170-152-238.dyn.iinet.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:27:01] *** chozen <chozen!~chozen@72.252.104.141> has joined #manjaro[01:37:46] *** sargosse <sargosse!~sargosse@ARennes-658-1-130-147.w90-32.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:40:46] *** Nobabs27 <Nobabs27!~Nobabs27@c-73-121-192-162.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[01:42:39] *** henrikf_ <henrikf_!~Hennke@85.197.184.92> has joined #manjaro[01:43:00] *** henrikf_ <henrikf_!~Hennke@85.197.184.92> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:43:29] *** Terkal <Terkal!~Terkal@55.250.203.77.rev.sfr.net> has joined #manjaro[01:44:06] *** Hennke <Hennke!~Hennke@85.197.184.92> has joined #manjaro[01:54:38] *** e14_ <e14_!~e14@2601:184:4180:da74:2c90:def7:2f1f:2e55> has joined #manjaro[01:56:45] *** e14 <e14!~e14@73.61.18.58> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[01:57:32] *** astrofog <astrofog!~astrofog@unaffiliated/astrofog> has joined #manjaro[02:05:09] *** pzmarzly <pzmarzly!~pzmarzly@ip-109196052001.syrion.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:06:50] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[02:07:50] *** pzmarzly <pzmarzly!~pzmarzly@109.196.52.1> has joined #manjaro[02:11:55] *** pzmarzly <pzmarzly!~pzmarzly@109.196.52.1> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:12:32] *** e14_ <e14_!~e14@2601:184:4180:da74:2c90:def7:2f1f:2e55> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…)[03:03:46] *** thefallenrat <thefallenrat!~thefallen@unaffiliated/thefallenrat> has joined #manjaro[03:13:38] *** Rukus <Rukus!~Rukus@S0106305a3a73c9d0.rd.shawcable.net> has joined #manjaro[03:48:24] *** Retro64XYZ <Retro64XYZ!~Retro64XY@184.101.55.135> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[03:49:56] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[03:54:34] *** e14 <e14!~e14@2601:184:4180:da74:2c90:def7:2f1f:2e55> has joined #manjaro[04:00:59] *** nuuuciano__ <nuuuciano__!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[04:02:13] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:08:09] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[04:12:24] *** semeion <semeion!~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion> has joined #manjaro[04:15:07] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:17:15] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[04:17:22] <ep_> vboxdrv: version magic '4.14.15-1-MANJARO SMP preempt mod_unload modversions retpoline ' should be '4.14.15-1-MANJARO SMP preempt mod_unload modversions '[04:17:33] <ep_> looks like i have a problem with kernel modules during boot[04:18:21] *** mnemonic <mnemonic!~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion> has joined #manjaro[04:20:31] *** semeion <semeion!~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[04:23:18] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:deda:eba8:6f4e:72e> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:23:37] <rochr4> and no lightdm ?[04:23:40] <rochr4> ep_, :)[04:24:06] <ep_> nope "sorry" ^^[04:24:22] <rochr4> U boot ok? lightdm load?[04:24:28] <ep_> yep[04:24:31] <ep_> everything fine[04:24:35] <rochr4> I falled back to 4.9 , not resolved yet[04:24:35] <ep_> except vbox[04:24:42] <rochr4> just U wait ;)[04:24:56] <ep_> ..restart...[04:25:02] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:25:32] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:deda:eba8:6f4e:72e> has joined #manjaro[04:27:32] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[04:27:44] *** nuuuciano <nuuuciano!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has joined #manjaro[04:27:45] <ep_> damn nothing changed[04:28:09] <ep_> even worse[04:28:19] <ep_> doubled the errors even[04:30:20] <rochr4> feel ya ;)[04:32:20] <ep_> damn[04:32:33] <ep_> sometimes i need win7 to work in the VM[04:32:56] *** e14 <e14!~e14@2601:184:4180:da74:2c90:def7:2f1f:2e55> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[04:33:14] *** Kronnos <Kronnos!~kvirc@unaffiliated/kronnos> has joined #manjaro[04:33:15] <ep_> hm.. modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'vboxdrv': Exec format error[04:33:46] <Kronnos> :/[04:34:56] <rochr4> no 4.9 to fall back ? aww ;p[04:37:08] <ep_> tried different stuff now[04:37:18] <ep_> dont know if the kernel is guilty[04:38:05] <ep_> how can a i look up which modules are loaded during boot?[04:38:22] <ep_> systemctl ...[04:39:06] *** jicoss <jicoss!~Jicoss@180.191.125.114> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[04:41:41] <ep_> did you try modprobe --force-vermagic <your-extra-module> rochr4 ?[04:42:28] <rochr4> lsmod ?[04:42:42] <rochr4> I did nothing, no tiem[04:42:45] <rochr4> *time[04:43:22] <rochr4> https://www.plop.at/en/ploplinux/live/networkboot-linux.html setting this with dnsmasq now[04:43:34] *** mnemonic <mnemonic!~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[04:43:56] <ep_> cool![04:44:12] <ep_> tell me how it works if you got your experience on that[04:44:27] <ep_> i have a million ISOs i d like to run through the network[04:44:47] <ep_> again restart[04:44:50] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:46:09] *** Crimguy <Crimguy!~Crmguy@ip70-188-217-248.ph.ph.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[04:46:11] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[04:46:44] <rochr4> I boot ISO normally with drivedroid, from android[04:47:11] <rochr4> got a netbook that won't boot from usb for some reason ? maybe dead usb[04:47:30] <rochr4> and my PXE on android failed, to hell with it ;-[04:48:01] <rochr4> so double android fail, damn usb[04:49:05] *** Crimguy <Crimguy!~Crmguy@ip70-188-217-248.ph.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:49:47] <ep_> what about good old DVD :D[04:50:40] *** Kronnos <Kronnos!~kvirc@unaffiliated/kronnos> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.9.3 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)[04:50:41] <rochr4> where shoul I insert it ? :D[04:51:12] <rochr4> sure , I burn a dvd sometime for a neighbour, with devede ;)[04:51:17] *** chozen <chozen!~chozen@72.252.104.141> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:51:38] <rochr4> I can even make a bootable floppy! no one want's it :C[04:51:41] *** chozen <chozen!~chozen@72.252.104.141> has joined #manjaro[04:52:09] <ep_> ah i thought there is a dvd drive[04:52:34] <rochr4> meh, no dice ;)[04:53:35] <ep_> try another pendrive[04:53:57] <ep_> sometimes only old ones are being accepted[04:54:01] <ep_> dont ask me why[04:55:27] <ep_> how can i remove this module loading which doesnt work[05:01:10] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@toroon2634w-lp130-02-76-67-75-153.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:05:55] <rochr4> blacklist it?[05:06:12] <rochr4> did nothing like it on *arch yet[05:07:24] <ep_> kk[05:07:31] <ep_> i ll go to sleep :)[05:07:35] <rochr4> if I boot plopkexec I can boot anything off usb, even on HW that doea not support or has 'locked' usb boot, but I need that pxe up ;)[05:07:50] <rochr4> me first![05:07:53] <rochr4> gn ;)[05:08:08] *** rochr4 <rochr4!~rochr4@89-64-37-116.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:09:02] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:09:15] *** yutayu <yutayu!~ippan@PPPa4044.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[05:10:19] *** thefallenrat <thefallenrat!~thefallen@unaffiliated/thefallenrat> has quit IRC (Quit: return 0;)[05:26:04] *** starrycat <starrycat!~lain@gateway/tor-sasl/starrycat> has joined #manjaro[05:26:18] <starrycat> okay[05:26:24] <starrycat> i'm slightly confused[05:26:35] <starrycat> i just changed from stable to testing with sudo pacman-mirrors -b testing[05:26:48] <starrycat> and then i updated repos[05:27:00] <starrycat> but there are exactly 0 updates[05:27:14] <starrycat> no new packages i mean[05:27:40] <starrycat> is testing not that different from stable or?[05:28:52] <optics> how did you update?[05:29:11] <optics> it's usually different so weird[05:29:34] <starrycat> it can't be, right? something must've gone wrong[05:29:36] <optics> try[05:29:56] <optics> sudo pacman-optimize && sync && sudo pacman-mirrors -b testing && sudo pacman -Syyu[05:33:27] <starrycat> done, same thing[05:34:57] <starrycat> pherhaps i was on testing already?, yesterday i changed to testing but then i thought "nah" and changed to stable right way (i didn't update)[05:35:04] <starrycat> maybe i didn't actually switch back[05:35:05] <starrycat> or something[05:35:23] <starrycat> ill see if -Syyuu on stable does anything[05:36:17] <optics> what does cat /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist[05:36:19] <optics> say?[05:37:10] <optics> n[05:37:36] <starrycat> all servers on it are /testing/[05:37:59] <optics> just getting 12 updates from unstable :P[05:38:14] <starrycat> okay, -Syyuu on stable doesn't downgrade anything either[05:38:15] <optics> ooo thunderbird update[05:38:18] <starrycat> weird[05:38:55] <optics> you must have already been on testing did you install a rc maybe?[05:39:14] <optics> i think they come using testing/[05:39:28] <starrycat> rc?[05:39:38] <optics> development release[05:40:15] <starrycat> oh, no, i installed a the i3 community release[05:40:56] <starrycat> but either way i already tried -Suu on stable branch, and there's nothing to downgrade[05:40:59] <starrycat> so im not on testing either[05:42:17] <starrycat> i mean how unlikely is it that there hasn't been any updates for my packages since stable?[05:42:40] <optics> very unlikely[05:43:14] <optics> do pacman -Scc[05:43:48] <optics> then pacman-mirrors -b testing[05:43:54] <starrycat> ill take a look at one of the testing mirrors to compare versions[05:43:55] <optics> then pacman -Syyu[05:48:00] <starrycat> that didn't work either btw[05:54:32] *** mjolnird <mjolnird!~mjolnird@2601:2c7:8200:5a1:8d60:8130:d29f:25a2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[05:57:18] *** starrycat <starrycat!~lain@gateway/tor-sasl/starrycat> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[05:58:33] *** mjolnird <mjolnird!~mjolnird@2601:2c7:8200:5a1:8d60:8130:d29f:25a2> has joined #manjaro[05:59:00] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~quassel@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[06:14:25] *** raleeha <raleeha!~knut@x55b39093.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #manjaro[06:18:09] *** AdityaPatil <AdityaPatil!~manjaro-u@49.35.38.77> has joined #manjaro[06:18:47] *** raleeha <raleeha!~knut@x55b39093.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[06:19:36] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@91.93.54.212> has joined #manjaro[06:20:01] *** tikok <tikok!~tikok@natali.univ-reunion.fr> has joined #manjaro[06:20:48] *** BMXfce <BMXfce!~Brad@S0106f0f249b03993.vf.shawcable.net> has joined #manjaro[06:24:03] *** tikok <tikok!~tikok@natali.univ-reunion.fr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:29:23] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has joined #manjaro[06:36:43] *** Danilochka <Danilochka!464ad4d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.74.212.212> has joined #manjaro[06:36:57] <Danilochka> anyone here try using openrazer?[06:37:53] <Danilochka> My DeathAdder Chroma is being recognized but I can't get any front end configurators to work[06:43:59] *** Crimguy <Crimguy!~Crimguy@ip70-188-217-248.ph.ph.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[06:45:47] *** Crimguy <Crimguy!~Crimguy@ip70-188-217-248.ph.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:46:16] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~quassel@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[06:49:02] <BMXfce> I'm struggling to get my system back, and am hoping I can get some help here. Background: My laptop was in hibernation when the power failed (sans battery). The BIOS was corrupted, and the system wouldn't boot. I've chrooted and mounted the Root from a live CD, and attempted to update to the latest version. I'm hitting problems with '<path>/file exists in filesystem' and package conflicts terminating the update.[06:51:09] <BMXfce> Btw, it's a big jump in versions. Currently, Manjaro316 is installed.[06:56:08] <optics> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/package-installation-says-filename-exists-in-filesystem/4382[06:56:44] *** diogenes_ <diogenes_!~diogenes_@host-static-89-38-76-244.moldtelecom.md> has joined #manjaro[06:59:59] <Aph3x-WL> there are no versions[07:00:07] <Aph3x-WL> if you update you have whatever the latest is[07:00:21] <BMXfce> I have read the arch post on that. I have about 55 - 60 of those files, and was perhaps wishfull that there was something else to be done.[07:00:24] *** Rukus <Rukus!~Rukus@S0106305a3a73c9d0.rd.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:00:43] <Aph3x-WL> also if your bios was corrupt you probably wouldn't be able to boot anything including a usb/cd[07:02:53] <BMXfce> There was a post from HP support that solved the BIOS problem. It was refferred to as corrupt BIOS.[07:06:40] *** Danilochka <Danilochka!464ad4d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.74.212.212> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[07:07:42] <BMXfce> Now I'm able to boot from USB/CD. 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Used to work fine on 4.14. Startup goes fine once i disconnect and reboot with laptop lid open. I have a log from last failed boot here, if anyone cares to help http://0x0.st/sb9e.log[09:34:39] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@91.93.54.212> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[09:35:49] <shatteringlass> I get stuck at a black screen with white cursor. I can switch to tty2 and login from there, but command line only, no gui. I'm running lightdm+budgie for that matter[09:37:50] *** MaybeDragon <MaybeDragon!~MaybeDrag@122-237-dsl.kielnet.net> has joined #manjaro[09:46:49] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@91.93.54.212> has joined #manjaro[09:52:57] *** warai_otoko <warai_otoko!~warai_oto@212.185.43.201> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:54:15] <Aph3x-WL> is your name shattering lass, or shatter in glass?[09:54:32] <Aph3x-WL> yes i know there are more options but i did not feel like listing all of them[09:56:16] *** diogenes_ <diogenes_!~diogenes_@host-static-93-116-130-26.moldtelecom.md> has joined #manjaro[09:59:39] *** warai_otoko <warai_otoko!~warai_oto@212.185.43.201> has joined #manjaro[10:03:57] *** warai_otoko <warai_otoko!~warai_oto@212.185.43.201> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:11:57] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[10:14:04] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@pD953E26A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:23:53] *** diogenes_ <diogenes_!~diogenes_@host-static-93-116-130-26.moldtelecom.md> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:24:09] *** Terkal <Terkal!~Terkal@dhcp-159-84-81-81.univ-lyon2.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Terkal)[10:30:41] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@91.93.54.212> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:33:00] *** Jellyg00se <Jellyg00se!~Jellyg00s@195.99.134.162> has joined #manjaro[10:41:53] *** Terkal <Terkal!~Terkal@dhcp-159-84-81-81.univ-lyon2.fr> has joined #manjaro[10:42:31] *** Terkal <Terkal!~Terkal@dhcp-159-84-81-81.univ-lyon2.fr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:48:31] *** shatteringlass <shatteringlass!2eeb9fd3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.235.159.211> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[10:51:39] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:56:12] *** diogenes_ <diogenes_!~diogenes_@host-static-93-116-130-26.moldtelecom.md> has joined #manjaro[10:59:24] *** wolf1 <wolf1!~xxx@103.208.220.136> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[11:01:05] *** rumflump <rumflump!~weechat@unaffiliated/olscumpy> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:05:11] *** AdityaPatil <AdityaPatil!~manjaro-u@117.228.98.99> has joined #manjaro[11:09:30] *** AdityaPatil <AdityaPatil!~manjaro-u@117.228.98.99> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:13:22] <yutayu> It is fail to get this , lib32-gcc-libs-7.2.1+20180116-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz[11:13:42] <yutayu> someone says lib32 problem.[11:14:20] *** warai_otoko <warai_otoko!~warai_oto@212.185.43.201> has joined #manjaro[11:16:06] *** Chaosruler <Chaosruler!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has joined #manjaro[11:16:15] <Chaosruler> guys, I am in kind of emergency[11:16:27] <Chaosruler> I updated manjaro last night now it won't boot[11:16:27] <yutayu> call 911[11:16:49] <Chaosruler> will do...[11:17:04] <Chaosruler> anyways, says something about cannot boot device UUID.... <long uuid here>[11:17:19] <Chaosruler> and than skipping fcsk[11:17:48] <Chaosruler> than sh: can't access tty[11:17:57] <Chaosruler> kinda don't know where to start[11:18:30] <yutayu> (17時34分20秒) shatteringlass: Good morning guys...I switched to linux 4.15 and encountered problems with system startup while connected to a docking station (lid closed). Used to work fine on 4.14. Startup goes fine once i disconnect and reboot with laptop lid open. I have a log from last failed boot here, if anyone cares to help http://0x0.st/sb9e.log[11:18:43] <yutayu> (17時35分49秒) shatteringlass: I get stuck at a black screen with white cursor. I can switch to tty2 and login from there, but command line only, no gui. I'm running lightdm+budgie for that matter[11:19:01] <yutayu> similer problem happens.[11:20:19] <Chaosruler> thats just...[11:20:25] <Chaosruler> well anyways I saw a fix on google, will try that[11:20:26] <Chaosruler> brb[11:20:30] *** Chaosruler <Chaosruler!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:26:05] *** yutayu <yutayu!~ippan@PPPa4044.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[11:28:10] *** yutayu <yutayu!~ippan@PPPa4044.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[11:32:11] *** rumflump <rumflump!~weechat@unaffiliated/olscumpy> has joined #manjaro[11:35:51] *** rorro <rorro!~rorro@h-170-152-58.A163.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #manjaro[11:36:43] <yutayu> boot successed[11:41:22] *** diogenes_ <diogenes_!~diogenes_@host-static-93-116-130-26.moldtelecom.md> has quit IRC (Quit: vergissmeinnicht)[11:47:10] *** chaosruler <chaosruler!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has joined #manjaro[11:52:10] *** domagoj 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I'm trying to get it to stop updating my terminal colors[15:56:27] *** domagoj <domagoj!~domagoj@185.168.116.195> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:04:55] *** CopyLion <CopyLion!~copylion@pool-64-222-235-124.port.east.myfairpoint.net> has joined #manjaro[16:08:40] *** Animtim <Animtim!~timo@21-44-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:22:50] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:deda:eba8:6f4e:72e> has joined #manjaro[16:25:53] *** badbodh <badbodh!~quassel@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:27:09] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@pD953E26A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:34:45] *** Terkal <Terkal!~Terkal@dhcp-159-84-81-67.univ-lyon2.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Terkal)[16:36:15] *** chaosruler <chaosruler!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:36:40] *** chaosruler <chaosruler!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has joined #manjaro[16:37:00] *** chaosruler <chaosruler!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[16:37:39] *** chaosruler <chaosruler!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has joined #manjaro[16:37:56] *** Raborn <Raborn!~Raborn@wsip-98-175-20-146.br.br.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[16:37:58] <Raborn> Hey hey whatup[16:38:05] <Raborn> Here for Manjaro troubles :3[16:39:39] *** _132 <_132!~miguel@201.82.128.95> has joined #manjaro[16:39:48] <rochr4> Hey! troubles where yesterday, mostly fixed, retpoline ;)[16:40:42] <Raborn> lel[16:40:43] <Raborn> https://pastebin.com/hGNHqwxu[16:41:43] <_132> hello :) , how can I check if the package version installed is the latest available?[16:41:51] *** diogenes_ <diogenes_!~diogenes_@host-static-93-116-130-26.moldtelecom.md> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:42:41] <rochr4> _132, against what? repo ?[16:42:41] <rochr4> You just do -Syyuu[16:42:54] <_132> yes, repo[16:42:55] <ggr> _132: try updating.. if there's things to be updated, then you have some packages that are not the latest[16:42:58] <_132> ok :)[16:43:04] <rochr4> then if repo has downgraded package, U will sync with it[16:43:15] <rochr4> or updated[16:43:22] <_132> I ran pacman -Syyu, what does the 2nd 'u' do?[16:43:42] <Raborn> I'm having troubles compiling LKRG using their makefile[16:43:43] <Raborn> https://pastebin.com/hGNHqwxu[16:43:45] <ggr> the second u is just in case :)[16:43:51] <Raborn> I get the following error^ I've installed hte headers[16:43:51] <_132> oh ok :)[16:44:01] <rochr4> :))[16:45:44] *** ArCa_ <ArCa_!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[16:46:35] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@197-76-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:46:44] *** ArCa <ArCa!56dbd754@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.219.215.84> has joined #manjaro[16:47:23] *** ArCa <ArCa!56dbd754@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.219.215.84> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:50:21] *** tuxi3 <tuxi3!~manjaro-i@a89-183-110-106.net-htp.de> has joined #manjaro[16:50:55] *** _132 <_132!~miguel@201.82.128.95> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:52:35] *** spaceback <spaceback!~spaceback@109.202.80.70> has joined #manjaro[16:54:03] *** _132 <_132!~miguel@201.82.128.95> has joined #manjaro[16:55:33] *** ArCa_ <ArCa_!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[16:56:56] *** Terkal <Terkal!~Terkal@55.250.203.77.rev.sfr.net> has joined #manjaro[16:57:10] *** _132 <_132!~miguel@201.82.128.95> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:57:19] *** Hennke <Hennke!~Hennke@85.197.184.92> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:57:27] *** Terkal <Terkal!~Terkal@55.250.203.77.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:59:53] <rochr4> Raborn, run command in a apropriate folder[17:00:22] <Raborn> Is the appropriate folder not the one where the makefile is? :V[17:01:13] <rochr4> yes[17:01:34] <Raborn> Yes it's not the appropriate folder? Or yes that is where I should run it? :p[17:01:52] <rochr4> maybe cd there[17:01:58] <rochr4> then run,[17:02:17] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[17:02:24] <rochr4> maybe drop M= string, not sure[17:02:47] <Raborn> Delete it from the makefile? :V[17:06:42] <rochr4> never did build like this[17:06:48] <rochr4> with M= ;[17:07:25] *** JohnML <JohnML!~john1@ip-84-118-209-57.unity-media.net> has joined #manjaro[17:11:47] *** JohnML <JohnML!~john1@ip-84-118-209-57.unity-media.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:12:05] *** JohnML <JohnML!~john1@ip-84-118-209-57.unity-media.net> has joined #manjaro[17:24:19] *** Rukus <Rukus!~Rukus@S0106305a3a73c9d0.rd.shawcable.net> has joined #manjaro[17:26:03] *** Rukus <Rukus!~Rukus@S0106305a3a73c9d0.rd.shawcable.net> has left #manjaro[17:26:26] *** Rukus <Rukus!~Rukus@S0106305a3a73c9d0.rd.shawcable.net> has joined #manjaro[17:26:35] *** Rukus 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<CapsAdmin!~CapsAdmin@200.80-203-97.nextgentel.com> has joined #manjaro[17:58:55] <CapsAdmin> when i try to remove the lua5.3 package octopi also wants me to remove some unrelated packages[17:59:21] <CapsAdmin> https://i.imgur.com/hSAqKFl.png[18:00:39] <CapsAdmin> hmm maybe it makes sense[18:00:54] <CapsAdmin> i know vlc uses lua, and if that's removed then the other packages also need to be removed[18:01:29] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[18:04:46] *** phees <phees!~phees@unaffiliated/phees> has joined #manjaro[18:04:47] <phees> #ebooks[18:05:16] *** phees <phees!~phees@unaffiliated/phees> has left #manjaro[18:05:56] *** sebasped <sebasped!~sebasped@fsf/member/sebasped> has joined #manjaro[18:08:48] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@pD953E26A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[18:18:10] *** Jellyg00se <Jellyg00se!~Jellyg00s@195.99.134.162> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:18:18] *** SPF|Cloud 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or 4.15[18:31:54] <rochr4> actually I try 4.15 in a sec[18:32:15] * ep_ restarting[18:32:21] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:32:40] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[18:33:20] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:34:12] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@178.74.62.15> has joined #manjaro[18:34:17] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[18:34:37] *** zennix <zennix!~zennix@5.34.93.175> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[18:34:56] *** zennix <zennix!~zennix@5.34.93.175> has joined #manjaro[18:35:07] *** zennix <zennix!~zennix@5.34.93.175> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:35:33] *** zennix <zennix!~zennix@5.34.93.175> has joined #manjaro[18:36:35] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:36:36] *** ep__ <ep__!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[18:36:40] *** ep__ <ep__!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:36:55] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[18:37:17] <ep_> hm rochr4 didnt change a thing[18:37:49] *** teddy_1_0_1 <teddy_1_0_1!~manjaro-u@41.89.22.100> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:39:32] <rochr4> core/linux414 4.14.15-1 [zainstalowano][18:39:32] <rochr4> The Linux414 kernel and modules[18:39:38] <rochr4> refresh mirrors ? :p[18:40:11] <ep_> 4.14.15.1-MANJARO is my current one[18:40:11] <rochr4> I got downgrade today, to this 4.14.15-1-MANJARO #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 24 13:13:39 UTC 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux[18:40:39] <ep_> would be good to downgrade[18:40:51] <rochr4> all I say it fixed plymouth / lightdm crashing at boot[18:41:55] <ep_> rochr4, you downgraded?! you have the current one[18:41:58] <ep_> like mine[18:42:17] <Raborn> Hmmm[18:42:45] *** yutayu <yutayu!~yutayu@PPPa4044.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[18:44:34] <rochr4> no, I had more recent[18:44:40] *** Sanderski <Sanderski!~Sanderski@2a02:a314:823d:2100:b30c:ea38:d0f0:d3ef> has joined #manjaro[18:44:43] <rochr4> wait, I dig pacman log[18:45:04] *** yutayu <yutayu!~yutayu@PPPa4044.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has left #manjaro[18:45:12] *** yutayu <yutayu!~yutayu@PPPa4044.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[18:46:01] <rochr4> [2018-01-31 15:29] [ALPM] downgraded linux414 (4.14.15-1.1 -> 4.14.15-1)[18:46:01] <rochr4> [2018-01-31 15:29] [ALPM] transaction completed[18:46:12] <rochr4> see[18:46:22] <rochr4> no idea though, I am special :d[18:47:26] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has joined #manjaro[18:47:31] <ep_> hm.. maybe my mirror is outdated?![18:47:34] <pingupingu> hello folks[18:47:36] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[18:47:51] <pingupingu> kernel 4.15 seems faster than 4.14, did anyone findout?[18:48:33] <rochr4> sudo pacman-mirrors -f10 && sudo pacman -Syy[18:48:33] <ep_> and i d love to revert to 4.14[18:48:41] <ep_> :D[18:48:57] <rochr4> but hits kernel still has broken vbox[18:49:03] <rochr4> *this[18:49:21] <ep_> the last one worked flawlessly[18:50:05] <pingupingu> 4.15 seems to be working well with vbox i just tested[18:50:53] <ep_> pingupingu 4.14.15-1-MANJARO broke my vbox[18:51:28] <pingupingu> ep_, upgrade to 4.15 then?[18:52:03] <Raborn> ep_, when I went to upgrade it asked to delete it[18:52:06] <ep_> according to pacman is it the latest[18:52:19] <rochr4> U have to install 415[18:52:26] <pingupingu> eh.. ep_ sudo mhwd-kernel -i linux415[18:52:28] <rochr4> then U will be able to upgrade it[18:52:45] <ep_> do you use xfce?[18:52:49] <ep_> by the way[18:52:53] <rochr4> I do[18:52:53] <pingupingu> ep_, me?[18:53:00] <ep_> rochr4,[18:53:06] <rochr4> that's why I went for manjaro, mostly ;)[18:53:23] <ep_> cause i got used to gnome3 so much[18:53:32] <ep_> BUT is crashed several times daily[18:53:34] <pingupingu> rochr4, I went kde which is why i went manjaro :)[18:53:35] <Raborn> I use xfce instead[18:53:36] <ep_> it*[18:53:55] <ep_> i need sth which doesnt freeze at all[18:53:55] <rochr4> I could also happily live with just a WM mind you.[18:54:07] <rochr4> xfce does not do that! :))[18:54:21] <ep_> im working for clients and i thought i got crazy 2 times today[18:54:23] <Raborn> Yeah, h aven't had any issues eitehr :3[18:54:26] <ep_> had to reset the machine[18:55:11] <ep_> i guess its time to switch the desktop[18:55:24] <ArCa> why did you guys come to Manjaro?[18:55:31] <ep_> i love the AUR[18:55:37] *** gpunk <gpunk!~gpunk@ip-91.net-82-216-134.issy3.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.remi.lu)[18:55:46] <pingupingu> ArCa, aur and uptodate kde :)[18:55:57] <ArCa> Nice[18:55:59] <pingupingu> and kernel[18:56:36] <rochr4> I found that my linux life is always tainted with some package being outdated, dependency hell all the time, now it is all good[18:56:39] <pingupingu> although most of production boxes run rhel/ubuntu. dev happens mostly on manjaro and testing on vm[18:56:46] <ep_> which do you consider more rocksolid.. xfce or kde?[18:56:52] <rochr4> kde, hahaha[18:56:55] <yutayu> rochr4 ty , I have troubled with pacman.[18:56:58] <ep_> dont wanna change that again after some days[18:57:07] <ArCa> I'm kinda using it as step between Xubuntu (which I was using) and Arch (which Idk, I'll see if I'll switch later)[18:57:19] <pingupingu> latest releases of kde is pretty solid for me[18:58:18] <rochr4> 'pretty solid' there U go, from a kde user :)[18:58:22] <rochr4> xfce is rock solid[18:58:49] <pingupingu> rochr4, ofcourse if it was not, I would be using something else: fluxbox[18:59:09] <ep_> im developing x hours per day so i need sth that really doesnt freeze[18:59:16] <rochr4> < JWM / echinus[18:59:35] <ep_> gnome3 is definitive the wrong choice so long[19:00:45] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[19:02:19] <Raborn> I just generally dont like how GNOME functions[19:03:11] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[19:03:16] <ep_> ok.. i ll try xfce then. have to check out if there s some eyecandy for that[19:03:28] <Raborn> It's p-nice[19:04:12] <rochr4> where can I read on manjaro linux415, what's new, what is changed ? :)[19:04:36] <Raborn> manjaro.com? :3[19:04:44] <rochr4> ho ho[19:04:47] <ep_> kernel.org ^^[19:04:55] *** yutayu <yutayu!~yutayu@PPPa4044.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:04:56] <pingupingu> kernelnewbies.org[19:05:47] *** yutayu <yutayu!~yutayu@PPPa4044.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[19:07:00] <rochr4> ty[19:12:45] <Raborn> weeniehutjrs.baby[19:17:40] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[19:21:50] <rochr4> ok, 415 showtime[19:21:57] *** rochr4 <rochr4!~rochr4@89.64.37.116> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:22:02] *** 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plymouth[19:33:00] <rochr4> roational media ?[19:33:42] <ep_> and i am about to install new manjaro with xfce :)[19:33:45] <pingupingu> hell no, ssd[19:33:48] <rochr4> this is my old Startup finished in 5.815s (kernel) + 4.220s (userspace) = 10.035s[19:33:49] <rochr4> graphical.target reached after 3.945s in userspace[19:33:55] <Raborn> ep_, it's pretty. Have fun :3[19:34:13] <rochr4> I got 850 evo, 500gB SSD, plymouth ON[19:34:36] <rochr4> on sata2, 9 year old cpu, phenom 2 x4 940[19:34:48] <ep_> just a quick one: swap isnt needed anymore, right?[19:34:49] <pingupingu> sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda what is the result?[19:35:05] <rochr4> max sata 2 speed[19:35:06] <ep_> 24GB RAM should be enough i guess[19:35:06] *** diogenes_ <diogenes_!~diogenes_@host-static-89-40-228-184.moldtelecom.md> has quit IRC (Quit: vergissmeinnicht)[19:35:35] <rochr4> it is always good to have some swap[19:35:44] <rochr4> want no swap partition? use zram and all is good[19:36:19] <pingupingu> well if you are going to have memory pressure then zram would be of less help than actual on disk swap[19:36:24] *** eersoy93 <eersoy93!~eersoy93@176.54.80.56> has joined #manjaro[19:36:37] *** AdityaPatil <AdityaPatil!~manjaro-u@117.228.52.197> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:37:34] <rochr4> zswap + swapfc + physical swap wins[19:38:04] <rochr4> ping what are You HW ? ssd, controller, cpu ?[19:38:11] <rochr4> I can help U too boot faster :)[19:39:31] <rochr4> pingupingu, cat /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler ?[19:41:12] <pingupingu> rochr4, cfq[19:42:28] *** eersoy93 is now known as eersoy93_[19:44:40] <ep_> soooo booting for the first time into xfce :)[19:44:54] <pingupingu> i7 6500, unsure about the ssh vendor[19:45:43] <rochr4> pingupingu, sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda[19:45:48] <pingupingu> controller should be the bogstandard intel[19:46:07] <ep_> wow rochr4 it feels so lightweight[19:46:54] *** zennix <zennix!~zennix@5.34.93.175> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:46:57] <pingupingu> rochr4, what do you want from that result?[19:48:22] <pingupingu> rochr4, if you see my systemd-analyse time: Startup finished in 17.725s (firmware) it seems that firmware is one that taking the longest[19:48:25] <rochr4> it will tell U vendor[19:48:53] <rochr4> ah, U can also change sheduler to noop[19:49:08] <rochr4> and use custom mount options[19:49:09] <pingupingu> rochr4, I don't see a vendor section in there[19:49:21] <rochr4> shit + pgup ?[19:49:40] <pingupingu> what have you in your fstab for mounting options?[19:50:19] <rochr4> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda |less[19:50:42] <rochr4> defaults,relatime,data=ordered,commit=600 0 1[19:50:57] <rochr4> and sheduler is important, can test it[19:51:12] <pingupingu> i think its a hitachi drive i think[19:52:08] <ep_> i have an ultra brandnew installation now.. any idea why the desktop icons under xfce are looking that strange?! https://i.imgur.com/ZnIthYX.png[19:52:14] <pingupingu> this is what I have: PARTUUID=fc3f1974-4d48-4d07-a230-de8ec15d6a06 / ext4 defaults 0 1[19:52:59] *** yutayu <yutayu!~yutayu@PPPa4044.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:55:04] <rochr4> pingupingu, https://i.imgur.com/8fvorQr.png https://transfer.sh/oNn7f/60-ioschedulers.rules[19:55:39] <rochr4> pingupingu, read on it on arch wiki , tuning performance[19:56:13] <rochr4> ep_, ah , read about it on recently sticked , some new bug :D[19:56:25] <ep_> damn..again a "feature"[19:56:27] <rochr4> look for strange shadows on forum :D[19:56:31] <ep_> tnx[19:56:35] <rochr4> well... ;)[19:56:46] <rochr4> it won't crash though :D[19:57:33] <pingupingu> rochr4, still I don't see how that will reduce the (firmware) time?[19:57:52] <rochr4> it will reduce overall time[19:58:02] <rochr4> about firmware no idea, I am on AMD[19:58:13] <ep_> first thing to do.. zshell :)[19:58:21] <pingupingu> i might shave 1 second off[19:58:39] <rochr4> maybe more, instant! :D[19:58:52] <rochr4> prolonged commit is good for ssd[19:59:01] <pingupingu> but in the scheme of the overall time the firmware is still the worst offender[20:00:35] *** zennix <zennix!~zennix@5.34.31.18> has joined #manjaro[20:02:06] *** dab0zz <dab0zz!~dab0zz@209.205.124.54> has joined #manjaro[20:04:05] <pingupingu> rochr4, also considering that bfq for rotations disks that would not work as this kernel has only noop, deadline, cfq[20:04:23] *** spaceback <spaceback!~spaceback@109.202.80.70> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:05:27] *** darksim <darksim!~quassel@78-70-247-31-no186.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #manjaro[20:05:30] <rochr4> it would, just edit it[20:05:47] <rochr4> change for rotational to whatever U like[20:06:08] <pingupingu> rochr4, yeah I did that.. btw for /boot/efi do you still have the same options in fstab?[20:06:09] <rochr4> all rotational (HDD) will be used with it ,[20:06:23] <rochr4> no EFI, good old dos ;)[20:06:48] <rochr4> You boot is separate partition ?[20:06:58] <pingupingu> ha. lucky you.. with these shit uefi instead of bios it bloody takes for ever[20:07:07] <pingupingu> yes that is separate for efi[20:07:10] <Raborn> Disable UEFI :3[20:07:30] <pingupingu> Raborn, I don't think I can on this laptop[20:07:54] <Raborn> Hek[20:08:19] *** Guest62620 <Guest62620!uid277433@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zljwscyjzeceexyp> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[20:08:21] *** eersoy93_ <eersoy93_!~eersoy93@176.54.80.56> has quit IRC (Quit: Ayrılıyor (Leaving))[20:08:25] <ep_> or even use coreboot instead of bios/uefi[20:08:52] *** electristan <electristan!~electrist@226.51-175-132.customer.lyse.net> has joined #manjaro[20:08:55] <pingupingu> ep_, coreboot supports very specific hw from what i have red[20:08:57] <pingupingu> read[20:09:44] <ep_> thats true pingupingu[20:09:52] <ep_> i use one of it ;)[20:10:08] <pingupingu> ep_, desktop/server i presume?[20:10:15] <ep_> desktop yep[20:10:25] <ep_> switched from notebook to desktop for coreboot[20:10:39] <pingupingu> I am never going back to a desktop![20:10:59] <ep_> :)[20:11:29] *** domagoj <domagoj!~domagoj@193.198.16.210> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[20:12:16] *** vertor <vertor!~vertor@unaffiliated/vertor> has quit IRC (Quit: vertor's left the freenode)[20:12:47] <rochr4> pingupingu, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fstab[20:12:58] <rochr4> there U have GPT /boot fstab line[20:14:24] <pingupingu> so now I have in fstab: defaults,relatime,data=ordered,commit=600 0 1 these options[20:14:58] <rochr4> for / ?[20:15:05] <rochr4> for /home[20:15:06] <rochr4> good[20:15:07] <pingupingu> yes[20:15:07] *** nuno_nunes <nuno_nunes!~PC@a83-132-240-154.cpe.netcabo.pt> has joined #manjaro[20:15:32] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #manjaro[20:15:39] <rochr4> check mount -l after it to see if it is ok[20:15:47] <rochr4> if no see jouirnal -b ;P[20:16:23] *** Quetzal2 <Quetzal2!~Quetzal2@unaffiliated/quetzal2> has joined #manjaro[20:16:55] <pingupingu> did a mount -a all seems ok[20:19:04] <rochr4> oh ;)[20:19:28] <rochr4> see mount -l[20:20:14] <pingupingu> mount -l seems fine too[20:21:26] <pingupingu> do you use gummiboot? as in systemd boot?[20:22:42] <rochr4> no, should I ?[20:25:04] <pingupingu> you should, it shouldbe heaps faster than grub[20:25:57] *** CapsAdmin <CapsAdmin!~CapsAdmin@200.80-203-97.nextgentel.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:28:16] <rochr4> I see it up[20:28:28] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:29:16] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[20:32:04] *** chaosruler_ <chaosruler_!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has joined #manjaro[20:32:20] *** chaosruler <chaosruler!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:33:18] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:33:38] <pingupingu> do you know if we need ldconfig.serice?[20:37:26] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has left #manjaro[20:40:48] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[20:42:37] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[20:44:21] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[20:47:36] <pingupingu> going to give it a reboot to check rochr4[20:47:54] *** zennix <zennix!~zennix@5.34.31.18> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[20:50:51] *** diogenes_ <diogenes_!~diogenes_@host-static-89-35-84-3.moldtelecom.md> has joined #manjaro[20:53:04] *** mjolnird <mjolnird!~mjolnird@2601:2c7:8200:5a1::b959> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:54:06] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[20:55:09] <ep_> not bad! xfce rockt[20:55:10] <ep_> s[20:55:42] *** mjolnird <mjolnird!~mjolnird@2601:2c7:8200:5a1::b959> has joined #manjaro[21:02:16] *** chaosruler_ <chaosruler_!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:02:47] *** chaosruler_ <chaosruler_!~chaosrule@unaffiliated/chaosruler> has joined #manjaro[21:05:42] <nrg> Xfce <3[21:06:11] <nrg> it was tearing on me pretty bad but switching to compton got rid of it[21:06:24] <pingupingu> going to test out systemd-boot[21:06:40] <pingupingu> I hope everything is setup correctly otherwise byebye boot[21:06:52] *** chozen <chozen!~chozen@72.252.104.141> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:08:32] *** ArCa <ArCa!~ac@AMarseille-658-1-115-84.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[21:08:47] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has quit IRC (Quit: Ta)[21:11:58] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@176.88.57.87> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:21:22] *** spaceback <spaceback!~spaceback@109.202.80.70> has joined #manjaro[21:21:34] *** jicoss <jicoss!~Jicoss@180.191.125.114> has joined #manjaro[21:30:15] *** devlin <devlin!~devlin@c-38ae72d5.041-530-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> has joined #manjaro[21:34:37] <ep_> rochr4, i dont get it. same kernel version. vbox is running again[21:34:45] <ep_> all i did was a reinstallation[21:35:00] <ep_> "just" a reinstallation of the whole system[21:36:15] <rochr4> oh[21:36:22] <rochr4> only this ? :D[21:36:32] <rochr4> there it is too in sticked[21:36:50] <rochr4> on forum, philm explains some of jackiness they did hehe[21:36:55] *** chozen <chozen!~chozen@72.252.104.141> has joined #manjaro[21:36:57] <rochr4> live distro unaffected[21:37:13] <rochr4> no idea, long live 415 :P[21:38:13] <rochr4> testing games now... :D[21:39:51] <rochr4> Yᵒᵘ Oᶰˡʸ Lᶤᵛᵉ Oᶰᶜᵉ[21:40:48] *** darksim <darksim!~quassel@78-70-247-31-no186.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:42:04] <gehidore> psht you might only live twice, I intend to live at least thrice[21:42:13] <gehidore> s/twice/once/[21:42:34] <ep_> rochr4, yea ONLY reinstallation :D[21:43:51] <rochr4> ah, post a topic as solved :DD[21:44:30] <rochr4> twice this **** nope :D[21:47:31] *** jarco <jarco!~Jarco@d54c2041d.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:54:40] *** nuno_nunes <nuno_nunes!~PC@a83-132-240-154.cpe.netcabo.pt> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:55:35] *** nuuuciano <nuuuciano!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:56:14] *** nuuuciano <nuuuciano!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has joined #manjaro[21:58:55] *** jarco <jarco!~Jarco@d54C2041D.access.telenet.be> has joined #manjaro[21:58:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v jarco[22:02:18] *** sebasped <sebasped!~sebasped@fsf/member/sebasped> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:03:29] *** dab0zz <dab0zz!~dab0zz@209.205.124.54> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[22:03:33] *** electristan <electristan!~electrist@226.51-175-132.customer.lyse.net> has quit IRC ()[22:05:01] *** spaceback <spaceback!~spaceback@109.202.80.70> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:06:10] *** Sithlord <Sithlord!~sithlord@unaffiliated/sithlord> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:08:47] *** Quetzal2 <Quetzal2!~Quetzal2@unaffiliated/quetzal2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:18:35] *** Sithlord <Sithlord!~sithlord@unaffiliated/sithlord> has joined #manjaro[22:21:58] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@unaffiliated/mtn> has joined #manjaro[22:23:18] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[22:30:43] *** miran <miran!~miran@unaffiliated/miran> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:32:30] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift110@unaffiliated/swift110> has joined #manjaro[22:37:05] *** ep__ <ep__!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[22:37:44] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@178.74.62.15> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[22:40:33] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[22:48:05] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[22:50:10] *** ep__ <ep__!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:58:55] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:07:27] *** ep_ <ep_!~ep_@unaffiliated/ep/x-5672531> has joined #manjaro[23:07:54] *** domagoj <domagoj!~domagoj@193.198.16.210> has joined #manjaro[23:09:52] <ep_> wow xfce didnt freeze even once until now[23:11:38] <rochr4> ofc.[23:11:54] <rochr4> until? so it freeze ? :)[23:12:01] <ep_> haha no no[23:12:06] <ep_> not yet :)[23:12:06] <rochr4> ikr. :D[23:12:33] <Aph3x-WL> xfce is garbage and should die off[23:12:40] <rochr4> (✿◠‿◠)[23:13:03] <rochr4> why, best ootb. 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