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[00:03:34] <ringo32> :)
[00:05:50] <ringo32> :p https://www.facebook.com/ringo.dekroon
[00:07:10] <tefter> oh! who is that?
[00:07:17] <ringo32> eh me :p
[00:07:42] <tefter> bravo!!!
[00:07:48] <ringo32> :)
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[00:08:28] <ringo32> really Zenn
[00:08:29] <zemtriz> Help me pls, dhcpc is not working on wifi adapter :( doesnþt matter if it is pci or usb wifi
[00:08:47] <ringo32> which brand chipset?
[00:09:02] <tefter> https://www.facebook.com/branimir.maksimovic
[00:09:50] <ringo32> you?
[00:09:55] <tefter> yes
[00:10:04] <ringo32> :p
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[00:12:25] <night_____> I get error on boot something about 5555.9    any help?
[00:13:08] <night_____> anyone here?
[00:13:17] <ringo32> mmmm
[00:13:20] <Aph3x-WL> no
[00:13:50] <night_____> 5555.9 error when updated to recomended kernal
[00:14:40] <ringo32> pastebin  dmesg | grep error
[00:15:07] <night_____> its when i boot up
[00:15:25] <night_____> so i cant copy and paste it anywhere
[00:15:38] <ringo32> where are you on ?
[00:15:39] <night_____> manjaro still loads tho
[00:15:45] <tefter> do you have alterantive kernel?
[00:15:49] <tefter> if it is kernel
[00:15:52] <night_____> no
[00:16:05] <night_____> i updated to newst one and deleted old one
[00:16:10] <tefter> in future always have at least two kernels
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[00:16:18] <ringo32> in manjaro settings  you can install another kernel
[00:16:25] <ringo32> not remove another
[00:16:32] <ringo32> standard kernel is an lts kernel
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[00:16:47] <ringo32> since 4.14 is the next lts you can use it
[00:17:05] <ringo32> also you can remove when is needed but keep stable lts behind always
[00:17:09] <ringo32> open terminal
[00:17:16] <ringo32> dmesg | grep error
[00:17:16] <night_____> ok
[00:17:23] <ringo32> and paste that in bpaste.net
[00:18:00] <night_____> when i type dmesg | grep error in terminal nothing happens
[00:18:15] <night_____> and im 14.4 lts
[00:18:30] <ringo32> dmesg | grep 5555.9
[00:18:39] <tefter> night___ disregard that error it is missing bootsplash file
[00:18:50] <ringo32> but 4.14 kernel is stil young
[00:18:53] <tefter> it will be there in future
[00:18:59] <ringo32> is what tefter say
[00:19:06] <night_____> ok so i dont have todo anuthing?
[00:19:12] <tefter> nope
[00:19:16] <ringo32> 4.14 bootsplash replace plymounth in the future
[00:19:40] <night_____> how long untill it will be replaced... is there a time scale?
[00:19:50] <ringo32> i dont know
[00:20:07] <ringo32> bootsplash is enabled in 4.14 kernel
[00:20:17] <ringo32> i think you have to folow the kernel for that
[00:20:41] <ringo32> have 4.9 kernel beside you is not bad currently depend on hardware i gues too
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[00:21:49] <zemtriz> Regarding problematic wifi dhcp
[00:21:57] <zemtriz> this helped me a lot https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=212941
[00:22:08] <zemtriz> can somebody explain what these lines means?
[00:22:17] <zemtriz> [main]
[00:22:17] <zemtriz> plugins=keyfile
[00:22:17] <zemtriz> #dhcp=internal
[00:22:17] <zemtriz> dhcp=dhclient
[00:22:17] <zemtriz> dns=default
[00:22:30] <night_____> the latest is 4.14 right?
[00:23:34] <night_____> i decided to go for manjaro for getting latest stuff easy etc... i never thought latest kernal which is recomended... would have errors
[00:23:59] <batch> latest kernel always have bugs night_____ :p
[00:24:06] <ringo32> 4.14 is stil young
[00:24:06] <batch> that's what i think atleast
[00:24:22] <ringo32> 4.14.2 or later would be more stable
[00:24:41] <ringo32> even has a 3 month rc developing is stil not water proof
[00:24:55] <night_____> i get you batch but i didnt think they would say its recomended when it has issues
[00:24:55] <ringo32> also bootsplash is enabled
[00:25:03] <ringo32> forthis kernel
[00:25:11] <ringo32> bootsplash is not plymouth
[00:25:27] <ringo32> forum would be more info how to configure that
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[00:25:41] <ringo32> plymouth is almost death
[00:26:10] <night_____> i can only select 14.14.0-0/1
[00:26:39] <ringo32> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/bootsplash-provided-by-the-kernel/34467
[00:27:01] <ringo32> night_____,  look
[00:27:20] <night_____> yeah i looked there before i came here
[00:27:29] <night_____> thought there might be further updates
[00:27:58] <ringo32> half december we must know more ?
[00:28:07] <ringo32> probably january
[00:28:24] <night_____> ok thanks for your help ringo and co
[00:28:27] <batch> how come this new kernel is recommended LTS
[00:28:28] <batch> ?
[00:28:38] <ringo32> 4.14 is next lts
[00:28:53] <night_____> but it staes in LTS now
[00:28:53] <batch> ah
[00:28:55] <ringo32> each kernel released round january is lts
[00:29:06] <ringo32> 4.9 is also lts
[00:29:12] <ringo32> lts = 2 years
[00:29:45] <ringo32> kernel lifetime = 3 month in point release , developing is another 3 month
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[00:30:02] <ringo32> from RC til EOL is 6 month to make confusing lol
[00:30:12] <batch> does 4.14 solve that cgroup nsdelegate message?
[00:30:20] <tefter> this bootsplash can be made just I don't know tools to make it ;p
[00:30:24] <ringo32> its systemd i gues
[00:30:34] <ringo32> bootsplash is a kernel thing
[00:30:41] <ringo32> philm enabled it
[00:30:43] <tefter> nsdelegate is gone
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[00:30:52] <batch> tefter nice
[00:31:18] <tefter> there must be some example bootsplash file on net
[00:31:28] <tefter> just download and place there ;p
[00:31:31] <ringo32> i like quiet , silent booot :p
[00:32:11] <night_____> ok cya guys... cheers for the help/info
[00:32:19] <batch> no time to bootsplash with ssd
[00:32:20] <batch> :p
[00:32:27] <tefter> yeah ssd
[00:32:35] <tefter> it's like 4 secs
[00:32:40] <ringo32> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/silent_boot
[00:32:50] <batch> hell yes it is
[00:32:52] <ringo32> if some little error only show up :p
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[00:40:07] <ringo32> lol stil on 4.13
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[00:47:38] <ringo32> awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=671&v=eNSN6qet1kE
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[07:59:31] <TaZeR> my system is growing more and more powerful each day!
[08:00:03] <TaZeR> today i have applied various font tweaks and configs to greatly improve font rendering appearance im proud of the work ive done
[08:00:27] <Stuzz> Improved font rendering translates to power?
[08:00:40] <TaZeR> indeed it does
[08:00:48] <Stuzz> Awesome
[08:00:54] <TaZeR> brings me one step closer to os perfection
[08:01:16] <Stuzz> There is no such animal
[08:01:42] <TaZeR> i can dream and one day i swear i will capture this illusive beast
[08:02:36] <TaZeR> and on that day you will hear my voice calling out as loud as humanely possible MANJAROOOO!!!
[08:03:33] * Aph3x-WL sneaks up behind TaZeR and kicks him off the top
[08:03:39] <Stuzz> I'll be sure to have my earhorn close by
[08:04:02] <TaZeR> tehehehe ;)
[08:04:19] <Stuzz> http://www.jonathan-bing.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/EarTrumpet.png
[08:04:27] <Stuzz> ear trumpet, even
[08:04:52] <Stuzz> Ooh, I like the look of these - http://hearbirdsagain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/EarHorn1-300x287.jpg
[08:10:56] <Aph3x-WL> no
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[08:14:44] <tefter> Heh I use defaults always ;)
[08:22:46] <TaZeR> holy crap i was taking a sip of my coffee and i feel something weird on my lip something not supposed to come from a cup of coffee, i take it out and examine it under the flash light to see its a small COCKROACH!!
[08:23:25] <TaZeR> i continue to drink this coffee... lol
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[08:38:29] <Aph3x-WL> nonononononono
[08:38:35] <Aph3x-WL> set the whole fucking house on fire
[08:44:44] <incognito> now you know why no one uses cockroachdb in the morning :)
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[08:55:14] <Aph3x-WL> is that a real thing? :/
[08:55:31] <Aph3x-WL> if i even see one anywhere near my house i will abandon it and buy a new one
[09:13:45] <ringo32> Morning
[09:19:05] <ringo32> Aph3x-WL,  you have so much money? :)
[09:25:56] <Aph3x-WL> ringo32: morning
[09:25:58] <Aph3x-WL> i have enough :P
[09:28:05] <ringo32> in the past neighbour house was in fire, i lived in wooden houses, 4 oclock morning get awake daughter shouted fire fire
[09:28:13] <ringo32> wife histerical
[09:28:31] <ringo32> fast outside me first close on and papers and dog lol
[09:30:00] <ringo32> happy that our home was not in fire but every thing get cleaned back
[09:30:13] <ringo32> even de pc was brandclean
[09:30:15] <ringo32> :)
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[09:31:51] <TaZeR> you didnt grab pc first!?
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[09:32:03] <ringo32> lol if i could but couldnt :)
[09:32:11] <TaZeR> tehe
[09:32:25] <TaZeR> well your heart was in the right place
[09:32:31] <ringo32> close on and car key was importand
[09:32:34] <ringo32> and dog
[09:33:15] <TaZeR> ya the kids is 2 years old and learned to walk already they be fine
[09:33:24] <ringo32> i dont wanna run in underwear outside :)
[09:34:08] <TaZeR> i actually caused a fire when i was a kid in my aunts house, burned her whole bedroom down
[09:34:37] <TaZeR> i was the kid always playing with matches
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[09:35:18] <ringo32> me not, i only blew up a cb radio with 220
[09:38:26] <TaZeR> thats why you are the amazing ringo linux boss man, and i am random crazy guy!
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[09:40:37] <Aph3x-WL> i'd run outside naked if it meant saving my computer
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[09:40:44] <Aph3x-WL> i may do it anyway
[09:42:01] <ringo32> me not
[09:42:23] <Aph3x-WL> you need to get your priorities in order
[09:43:00] <ringo32> i try to replace the computer with a better one
[09:43:42] <Aph3x-WL> hmm
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[09:45:38] <ringo32> dog is not replaceble , computer you can improve :) so answer simple made
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[09:54:59] <TaZeR> my PC is like a father to me, it taught me how to be a man
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[09:59:44] <ringo32> lol
[10:00:10] <ringo32> my pc is like my wave, is just replacecable for a betterone :)
[10:00:19] <ringo32> wife*
[10:01:04] <TaZeR> dats cool its like dat movie Weird Science tehe
[10:02:20] <TaZeR> only instead of a hot woman i would have created my dad =/
[10:02:59] <ringo32> daddy syndrom ? :)
[10:03:47] <TaZeR> my biological father was a coward, i always wanted a better one i could look up to and respect
[10:04:42] <TaZeR> well he did one good thing when he bought me my first pc at age 6 thereby replacing himself
[10:05:07] <ringo32> so .. i can be your daddy too :p
[10:05:14] <ringo32> also Aph3x-WL ? :)
[10:05:29] <TaZeR> i was hoping you would offer!
[10:05:33] <TaZeR> papa!
[10:05:40] <ringo32> hahaha
[10:05:50] <ringo32> i am a bad father
[10:06:07] <ringo32> self: lazy as hell
[10:06:17] <ringo32> kids must do something in life :p
[10:06:55] <ringo32> my stephson, i am so anoyed , being a pc noob and do nothing only gaming
[10:07:25] <ringo32> ge gave up linux for win10 , answer is clear.. bad son :p
[10:08:35] <TaZeR> some people just have a thirst for knowledge and some dont... on my first pc at age 6 i played games but i was also reading stuff like DOS/Windows help files, learning the system etc.. it was just in my blood
[10:09:29] <ringo32> first at 6 was Videopac 2000 i guess =-- later c64 and sega :)  on 11th got my first pc  ,486sx 33 dell dimension
[10:09:49] <ringo32> msdos 6.22 after few weeks i had to help some pc noobs
[10:09:55] <ringo32> pffff
[10:10:05] <ringo32> had also win 3.11 on it
[10:10:27] <ringo32> at 16  i stopped the pc because to old and do other things
[10:10:55] <ringo32> 21 i put out the old pc out the closed but after i bought a used one, procesoor was a mess :p
[10:11:08] <ringo32> later on i bought a new one
[10:11:33] <ringo32> first xp sure but after some days i was up2date on pc side a bit :)
[10:12:01] <ringo32> 4 years later linux to replace xp :)
[10:14:45] <TaZeR> 486 DX2 66mhz was my first, almost the same
[10:14:54] <TaZeR> little newer
[10:15:23] <TaZeR> with a big ol turbo button that went from 33-66mhz
[10:15:58] <TaZeR> and dat shit was like $3000 with everything
[10:19:05] <ringo32> yeah i probably was 5 years older, your now 32?
[10:19:21] <TaZeR> 31
[10:19:45] <ringo32> yeah :) DX2 was the first processor with a co-processor build in
[10:20:00] <ringo32> before it was SX , it had no co processor
[10:20:08] <ringo32> you had to buy extra
[10:20:35] <TaZeR> i remember at the time my friend had a 386 and i was surprised at the difference the 386 felt ages slower
[10:21:39] <ringo32> yeah , 386 also had no coprocessor,  :)
[10:24:19] <TaZeR> i didnt know what linux really was for a long time untl i started reading pc magazines and came across a free distro on cds in one of the magazines
[10:25:16] <TaZeR> i was maybe 12 or 13 at the time
[10:25:46] <ringo32> my stephdad used linux by him i was on linux he gave me a live cd, it didnt work on my wifi... i left it beside i saw suse , sled, i tried that first but after grub was missing i threw the hdd out :p
[10:26:11] <ringo32> because windows was back as bootloader lol
[10:26:33] <ringo32> after that i removed windows on  put ubuntu on it :p
[10:26:39] <ringo32> xubuntu
[10:29:53] <ringo32> :)
[10:30:15] <ringo32> not i am smart on pc, but mostly got hang on it
[10:35:32] <Aph3x-WL> ringo32 can be my dad, i don't have one
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[10:38:01] <ringo32> lol
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[12:11:53] <mcnesium> is the new firefox 57 theme broken everywhere on manjaro gnome, or just here?
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[12:36:45] <ringo32> mcnesium, hi
[12:38:09] <mcnesium> hi ringo32
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[12:45:09] <ringo32> mcnesium,  new firefox new theme issues lol
[12:51:03] <ringo32> best is to go to settings and try to use the standard firefox theme
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[13:12:51] <janisx_> problem with systemd-udevd and kernel 4.14 ( https://bpaste.net/show/81ae367ee0da)
[13:15:28] <ringo32> you have a wifi stick ? moest bluetooth usb device?
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[13:20:19] <peetaur2> janisx_: what is 00:1d.0?    lspci | grep -i 00:1d.0
[13:20:39] <peetaur2> oh I guess it's obviously a usb device... so how about lsusb too
[13:21:05] <ringo32> new kernels gave me always also usb wifi errors lol
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[13:34:49] <janisx> sorry pc has hang
[13:39:13] <janisx> 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 06)
[13:40:01] <janisx> but I remember hid2hci is for intel bluetooth adapter
[13:44:17] <janisx> my system https://bpaste.net/show/0b7269cab2b5
[13:45:16] <wyre> hi guys! deepin is not working fine in 17.1 manjaro version
[13:45:20] <wyre> any suggestion?
[13:50:43] <ringo32> janisx,  try to use an older kernel probably you dont have that issue not
[13:51:03] <ringo32> janisx,  each new kernels can have in there first releases bit issues
[13:51:16] <ringo32> wyre after update?
[13:51:28] <wyre> ringo32, right
[13:51:28] <janisx> @ringo32 yep with kernel 4.13 no problem
[13:52:09] <ringo32> 4.14 is new  even manjaro has already a long time in RC  but 4.14 is stil young,
[13:52:25] <ringo32> 4.14.2 would be more stable
[13:52:31] <Nixola> 4.14 is more stable than 4.13 on my home pc
[13:52:54] <ringo32> first versions of new kernel give me always usb issues
[13:53:09] <Nixola> anything newer than 4.11 gives me issues on the notebook though
[13:53:24] <janisx> @Nixola lol
[13:53:39] <ringo32> thats also subjective like mine, i think janisx  just have same kinda issues as mine
[13:54:17] <ringo32> think after few point update that issue get fixed, you should atleast upstream a bugreport for this issue
[13:55:26] <ringo32> wyre what not working ?
[13:55:36] <ringo32> sdesktop or whole system?
[13:56:04] <wyre> ringo32, wifi notification tray icon
[13:56:10] <wyre> the DE is running slowly
[13:56:35] <wyre> and settings window
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[13:58:33] <ringo32> mmmm deepin desktop is an hybride desktop probably some regressions upstream
[13:59:08] <janisx> ok I think that I found the issue. Rebooting...
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[14:00:13] <wyre> ringo32, but there are not any post about that in the forum?
[14:00:20] <wyre> maybe should I take a look
[14:00:55] <ringo32> deepin is recently updated i gues
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[14:06:02] <ringo32> i use my self lxqt :p
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[14:08:17] <wyre> ringo32, right, deepin has been recently upgraded https://forum.manjaro.org/t/stable-update-2017-11-19-kernels-deepin-python-haskell-firefox-quantum/35047
[14:14:11] <ringo32> i dont know deepin, deepin forked gnome stuf and coded lot stuf in qt so i dont know what it is, you can try a theme change
[14:17:26] <wyre> ringo32, maybe doing a deepin setup purge ...
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[16:58:06] <Ravenmire> I'm having troubles with sound. Here's output from vlc: Audio output failed:
[16:58:06] <Ravenmire> The audio device "default" could not be used:
[16:58:06] <Ravenmire> No such file or directory.
[16:58:32] <Ravenmire> Nothing else plays for that matter.
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[17:00:04] <Ravenmire> vlc, mplayer, seldom do YouTube videos have sound; just enough to drive me up the wall.
[17:04:42] <Ravenmire> Can this be a clue:
[17:04:47] <Ravenmire> [ted@Laptop House on Haunted Hill ]$ alsamixer
[17:04:47] <Ravenmire> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[17:04:47] <Ravenmire> [ted@Laptop House on Haunted Hill ]$
[17:05:04] <Ravenmire> alsamixer can't find mixer...
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[17:25:33] <rochr4> Ravenmire, do U have it ? alsa
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[17:25:54] <Ravenmire> How do I tell? That may be the base problem.
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[17:26:59] <Ravenmire> ALSA worked perfectly until an upgrade that I don't remember.
[17:27:22] <Ravenmire> "pacman -Syu" upgrade.
[17:27:38] <rochr4> Ravenmire, are You on stable x64 ?
[17:27:45] <Ravenmire> Yes
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[17:31:01] <rochr4> Ravenmire, look here
[17:31:05] <rochr4> maybe this is it
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[17:32:05] <Ravenmire> Where?
[17:33:15] <rochr4> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1158089#p1158089
[17:33:20] <rochr4> lol sry :D
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[17:34:00] <rochr4> might be new kernel loads wrong module for Your card  and U need blacklist it
[17:34:06] <Ravenmire> ...and here I thought I was to dumb to see it...
[17:34:22] <rochr4> I was THE dumb :D
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[17:38:05] <Ravenmire> reboot, methinks.
[17:38:44] <Ravenmire> or will a modprobe do it?
[17:39:58] <Ravenmire> brb...reboot.
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[17:48:12] <Ravenmire> rochr4: Didn't change it.
[17:50:15] <rochr4> does system reports any soundcards present ?
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[17:57:15] <Ravenmire> https://bpaste.net/show/ea291e7e1281
[17:58:21] <Ravenmire> the speaker_outs and mono_out seem worrisome.
[17:59:13] <Ravenmire> line_outs, too.
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[18:04:53] <Ravenmire> More dmesg after: https://bpaste.net/show/d70adb4976d4
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[19:44:47] <Celmor> I've got a lot of "Memory pressure relief" messages at the end of my journal before system locked up and I had to hard reset:  https://ptpb.pw/l2Nt
[19:45:29] <Celmor> do those messages point at an issue? I know that swap didn't get filled completely at least
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[19:45:46] <Celmor> not sure how to interprete those numbers at the end of the messages though
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[20:30:17] <coredump> Heyo, does anyone ever have issues with Dell bios updates f* over with UEFI? My grub boot now goes automatically to the system analytics thing
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[20:40:58] <batch> coredump madness
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[20:42:19] <batch> coredump can you make pic of the which screen it goes?
[20:42:34] <batch> maybe you did not disable fastboot or that other thing
[20:42:39] <batch> secure boot
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[20:42:48] <Aph3x-WL> manjaro madness
[20:42:53] <batch> or maybe efi partition is not fat32
[20:42:57] <batch> or hdd is not gpt
[20:43:15] <batch> gpt issue would surprise me
[20:43:19] <batch> Aph3x-WL hi amigo
[20:44:06] <Aph3x-WL> hi batch :D
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[21:05:53] <ringo> batch,  Aph3x-WL  is my son
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[21:06:38] <batch> ringo ... breaths ... i'm your father
[21:08:00] <ringo> :)
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[21:15:23] <CodeHunter> Does anyone know how to get sound working from line-in? I show activity but I get nothing.
[21:16:08] <CodeHunter> When I play sound directly I hear it so I know the speakers are working.
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[21:20:12] <batch> CodeHunter it's muted maybe?
[21:20:32] <CodeHunter> Not as far as I can tell, but I am new here.
[21:20:41] <batch> CodeHunter well eh
[21:20:59] <CodeHunter> The activity bar is quite active so I assume it isn't.
[21:21:09] <batch> CodeHunter: amixer -D pulse sset Master toggle
[21:21:16] <CodeHunter> How to I find out?
[21:21:30] <batch> if it didn't change any soundlike, then redo the command
[21:22:27] <CodeHunter> No change.
[21:22:53] <batch> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Output_stuck_muted_while_Master_is_toggled CodeHunter
[21:23:09] <CodeHunter> Thank you.
[21:23:35] <batch> well, that page is full of tricks to make it work CodeHunter
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[21:36:10] <CodeHunter> omplete bust.
[21:36:15] <CodeHunter> Complete
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[21:37:15] <khangeek> hey
[21:37:21] <khangeek> ringo: bro I need help.
[21:37:45] <CodeHunter> be back later.
[21:38:19] <khangeek> I need some help and it is a linux assignment. Not tough but confused with this :
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[21:39:37] <khangeek> How do you use tar to create a snapshot? assume for the ~/comp_221_f17_khyde directory.
[21:42:19] <batch> khangeek what about: tar -cvf output.tar /dirname
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[21:46:06] <Aph3x-WL> this is #manjaro not #plsdomyhomework4me
[21:46:11] <ringo> using expert level tar?
[21:46:18] <ringo> no snap shot programs?
[21:47:35] <batch> Aph3x-WL lel
[21:47:37] <batch> so tru
[21:47:44] <batch> Aph3x-WL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haH3v79n9j4
[21:53:08] <Aph3x-WL> batch: what about it? :P
[21:53:46] <batch> Aph3x-WL i'm listening it
[21:56:15] <Aph3x-WL> ah
[21:56:18] <Aph3x-WL> it's nice
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