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[00:11:10] <truepurpl> hi gagiD
[00:11:25] <truepurpl> can anyone help m
[00:11:33] <truepurpl> me with sig verification?
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[00:19:20] <truepurpl> hi telephone
[00:24:40] <multideepin> does anyone have issue with the weather not working in manjaro deepin?
[00:24:53] <ringo> hi all
[00:25:05] <truepurpl> hi ringo
[00:25:22] <truepurpl> you know anything about sig verifying?
[00:25:30] <ringo> of iso ?
[00:25:34] <truepurpl> yes
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[00:25:42] <ringo> no .. :)
[00:26:06] <ringo> !mw signature
[00:26:06] <Botergos> I had no results for that query.
[00:26:14] <truepurpl> I've never heard of weather in a OS, not rain nor sleet nor hail nor sun
[00:27:19] <truepurpl> here manjaro.org/get-manjaro/
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[00:28:18] <ringo> true you must download the user guide
[00:28:26] <truepurpl> I have, and read it
[00:28:38] <ringo> weird  they dont like wiki probably
[00:28:43] <truepurpl> it tells you how to do sh1sum checking, but not sig checking
[00:28:44] <ringo> page 19?
[00:31:31] <truepurpl> page 19 is about sh1sum
[00:31:52] <Stuzz> Isn't sh1sum checking, sig checking?
[00:31:59] <ringo> dont know manjaro should put in wiki whatever not in guide
[00:32:04] <truepurpl> no, it isnt
[00:32:24] <Stuzz> Does it matter?
[00:32:30] <truepurpl> security
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[00:32:43] <Stuzz> Of?
[00:32:54] <ringo> did you have the gpg ?
[00:32:58] <truepurpl> making sure you get a legit copy of the OS
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[00:33:17] <truepurpl> I don't know waht you are asking
[00:33:42] <Stuzz> I asking why you (seemlingly) have spent 3 days in here asking the same question
[00:33:52] <truepurpl> I havent
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[00:34:08] <Stuzz> My mistake then
[00:34:10] <ringo> http://i.imgur.com/oJXjApL.png
[00:34:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/WNytlO] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[00:34:23] <ringo> How to verify our install medias
[00:34:56] <mtn_> Stuzz: I guess it is only all day today ;)
[00:35:06] <truepurpl> don't screenshot the bottom of the download page like that answers a thing
[00:35:25] <truepurpl> I have looked at that part of the page many a time, it does not explain anything properly
[00:36:15] <Stuzz> If you don't like the attempt at help you get, you should probably move on
[00:36:32] <truepurpl> It doesnt count as getting help all day if its been silence all day
[00:36:39] <ringo> https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=How-to_verify_GPG_key_of_official_.ISO_images
[00:36:40] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ZmGFc9] How-to verify GPG key of official .ISO images - Manjaro Linux
[00:36:42] <ringo> lol
[00:37:02] <Stuzz> I didn't suggest it did
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[00:37:53] <truepurpl> fretting about how long Ive been asking about this strikes of judgemental
[00:38:07] <Stuzz> I'm sorry you feel that way
[00:38:20] <truepurpl> Then what was the purpose, to feel sorry for me?
[00:38:37] <ringo> then i dont know what you look at?
[00:39:01] <Stuzz> My meaning of 'move on' was to find help elsewhere, since it didn't (up until now) seem to be found in here
[00:39:14] <Stuzz> I'm a little vague sometimes
[00:39:20] <truepurpl> btw, I cant use that webpage, I am doing this from windows
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[00:39:32] <ringo> ohhhh
[00:39:45] <truepurpl> Well if I got another place to ask, I will ask there too
[00:40:13] <Stuzz> I'd guess GPG is available for windows too
[00:40:29] <ringo> https://www.gpg4win.org/
[00:40:30] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/HnZuHO] Gpg4win - Secure email and file encryption with GnuPG for Windows
[00:40:30] <truepurpl> aside from which, that webpage is too brief to likely be useful for Linux as well
[00:40:35] <ringo> for gpg probably need this
[00:40:56] <truepurpl> Already installed gpf4win, either useless or no idea how to use it for this
[00:40:59] <Stuzz> That page spells out step by step what to do in linux
[00:41:06] <truepurpl> not really
[00:41:12] <Stuzz> How so?
[00:42:18] <truepurpl> for one, it tells nothing of what to do with this https://raw.githubusercontent.com/manjaro/packages-core/master/manjaro-keyring/manjaro.gpg
[00:42:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/g2W5IQ] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
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[00:43:14] <Stuzz> I think that is unrelated
[00:43:44] <truepurpl> the way I read it, it seems directly related to the issue if sigs
[00:44:05] <Stuzz> What are you reading that tells you that?
[00:44:45] <Stuzz> I'm pretty sure they're sigs for the individuals that package manjaro packages
[00:45:25] <Stuzz> You only need Philip Müller's GPG key to verify the .iso
[00:46:11] <truepurpl> also, this youtube vide www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_76X8Znadc speaks of a asc file one needs, but there is no such file in that wiki entry
[00:46:28] <truepurpl> or on the download page
[00:46:30] <Stuzz> Then that youtube vid is also unleated
[00:46:56] <truepurpl> I dont see how, everything it is talking about seems related
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[00:47:23] <Stuzz> That wiki page tells you what to do.  If you don't know how do to a particular step, go read more information about that step.  Rinse and repeat until you're to the end
[00:47:33] <truepurpl> besides, you thought signature and sh1sum was the same, so how can you say with confidence that youtube video is unrelated?
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[00:47:46] <Stuzz> "I dont see how"  Yes, I think that's the problem
[00:48:03] <Stuzz> I can't.  I haven't even watched the vid
[00:48:24] <truepurpl> so you shouldn't call the youtube video wrong when you don't know
[00:48:40] <Stuzz> And I didn't think they were the same.  I asked if they were the same.
[00:48:44] <truepurpl> Im not defending it by any means
[00:49:33] <truepurpl> anyway, wiki is missing something even with linux, and I am using windows anyway.
[00:50:38] <Stuzz> hmmm
[00:51:22] <Stuzz> I haven't tried doing what the wiki says, but it I wanted to try to verify the sig, I'd follow the instructions labeled "How-to verify GPG key of official .ISO images".
[00:52:20] <Stuzz> You don't seem to have successfully completed each step of it yet
[00:53:49] <Stuzz> Meanwhile, I'm surprised someone so concerned with security is using Windows.
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[00:56:38] <mtn_> heh
[00:57:12] <ringo> does windows have wget?
[00:57:25] <Stuzz> It can
[00:57:35] <Stuzz> via gow or similar
[00:58:08] <Stuzz> cygwin etc etc
[00:59:48] <ringo> you need to download gpg also
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[01:05:53] <ringo> mmmmm
[01:06:36] <ringo> im a bit deinterested in linux lately =:p
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[01:11:03] <truepurpl> Well, you might notice I am trying to verify a manjaro ISO, meaning I am trying to use it.
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[01:11:29] <ringo> problem could be documentation is suck i gues, i did it never :)
[01:12:03] <ringo> https://soundcloud.com/jbrytemusic/one-last-time-ariana-grande-cover-by-justin-bryte
[01:12:04] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/V95J1F] One Last Time - Ariana Grande (Cover by Justin Bryte) by jbrytemusic | Justin Bryte | Free Listening on SoundCloud
[01:14:18] <Stuzz> truepurpl: I'd say skip the verification and go for it!
[01:14:30] <deadguy> soundcloud keeps hanging on for dear life huh
[01:14:56] <Stuzz> Can we get a show of hand of people who verified the Manjaro ISO prior to installing it?
[01:15:46] <Stuzz> Is something else eating soundcloud's lunch deadguy?
[01:15:57] * Stuzz sees 0 hands raised
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[01:17:19] <deadguy> they've been on the verge of going the way of the dinosaur for a good year now
[01:17:23] <deadguy> maybe year and a half
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[01:17:53] <truepurpl> I need to know how to do this anyway
[01:18:08] <truepurpl> and verifying my OS is the most crucial thing to verify
[01:18:23] <ringo> you downloaded the pgp ?
[01:19:39] <truepurpl> downloaded what?
[01:20:20] <Stuzz> Oh?  OK.  I haven't been keeping up with news
[01:20:21] <ringo> pgp key?
[01:20:39] <ringo> you need the pgp key to veryfy the iso
[01:20:52] <ringo> even with that window gpgpg whatever
[01:21:22] <truepurpl> Of course I downloaded the signature file
[01:21:26] <deadguy> i'll tell you what kills me though. there's still no middle point between nano and vim
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[01:21:46] <deadguy> i always thought that was strange
[01:22:39] <truepurpl> deadguy, you know anything about signature verification of ISO?
[01:22:49] <deadguy> can't say i do
[01:22:59] <deadguy> never had a problem with manjaro ISOs though
[01:23:35] <ringo> its a trend because of mint some time back
[01:23:45] <deadguy> oh yeah, i remember that
[01:23:53] <truepurpl> what happened?
[01:24:10] <deadguy> mint got their website hacked sometime last year
[01:24:16] <ringo> also the iso
[01:24:20] <ringo> got hacked ?
[01:24:29] <deadguy> someone linked some funky isos
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[01:24:57] <deadguy> they took care of it in a couple hours though, but it was a thing that happened and made everyone very uncomfortable
[01:26:09] <ringo> i find it just suck its not documenten wel only linux side :)
[01:27:09] <truepurpl> you mean reported?
[01:28:23] <ringo> or try it out in virtualbox first
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[07:00:05] <agungnk> Test
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[07:24:45] <Ranganath> I'm using Manjaro Deepin , with the latest update my system side bar changed and it's totally weird , keep loading for weather, and I can't change wifi password from it :(
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[07:29:16] <geek> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/5-linux-apps-we-all-used-now-forgot I remember using blackbox, twm, xfree kernel 1 :(
[07:29:18] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/GRqXns] If You Remember Using These 5 Linux Apps, You're Officially Old - OMG! Ubuntu!
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[08:27:10] <thid> morning
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[08:44:42] <Strit_Laptop> hi
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[10:34:34] <manjaro-kde5> hello
[10:35:00] <thid> hello
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[11:03:43] <Strit_Laptop> kdenlive started showing a "warning" of sorts whenever I open a project. Complains about title fonts. Anyone else getting this?
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[11:11:53] <Anomali> anyone online here ?
[11:12:05] <thid> perhaps
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[11:12:21] <Anomali> i just install manjaro for the first time
[11:14:01] <Strit_Laptop> Congratz. :)
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[11:14:45] <Anomali> thank :)
[11:19:03] <mickro> Hi guys!
[11:19:21] <mickro> I'm using manjaro - KDE + awesomeWM
[11:19:32] <mickro> do you know how to enable tap for click ?
[11:21:14] <Strit_Laptop> mickro: Should be in Input devices in your system settings.
[11:27:28] <Anomali> there is no option for tap click in my setting,so i use usb mouse
[11:29:36] <thid> thats a good choice
[11:30:11] <Strit_Laptop> Anomali: you can try installing xf86-input-synaptics. People say it brings back that functionality.
[11:31:15] <Strit_Laptop> And you are right. The options are "greyed out" on my laptop aswell.
[11:32:36] <Anomali> will try that later,thank for suggest..
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[11:37:51] <mickro> Strit_Laptop: "system settings" are not applied to awesomeWM
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[11:40:17] <Satyam2345> any dev online
[11:40:41] <Strit_Laptop> Hm, but the tab to click function is not WM dependant, is it?
[11:40:58] <Strit_Laptop> I thought you said you had KDE installed?
[11:41:13] <Satyam2345> Want to ask about Wayland Support. Plasma
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[11:47:18] <physkets> Satyam2345: Unlikely that you'll find WPlasma/Wayland devs in the manjaro IRC
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[11:48:04] <Satyam2345> manjaro devs are going to give wayland support in future or not
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[11:48:23] <physkets> it is not something majaro devs have to do
[11:48:32] <physkets> It is something KDE deves are doing
[11:48:45] <physkets> ask in KDE's IRC
[11:48:59] <Satyam2345> they are making kwin wayland. Manjaro devs would port it for Manjaro
[11:49:02] <Jeannie> Uhm, Gnome is also supporting wayland, it's no pure kde thing
[11:49:32] <physkets> Jeannie: I know, but Satyam2345 wants to know about Wayland in Plasma specifically
[11:49:55] <Satyam2345> I want kwin wayland in manjaro specifically
[11:50:00] <physkets> Satyam2345: yeah, the guys at manjaro have to package it, not really port it.
[11:50:02] <Jeannie> Oh, I see
[11:50:24] <Jeannie> I only hope wayland won't become default in kde
[11:50:27] <physkets> All the work that neds to be done is at KDE's end
[11:50:42] <physkets> Jeannie: WHy not? eventyally, it should
[11:50:46] <Satyam2345> KaOS shipping with wayland plasma
[11:51:10] <physkets> I think you can choose the wayland session when you login
[11:51:17] <Jeannie> Whats the puropse of a new display server when the whole application eco sstem is not ready for it?
[11:51:20] <physkets> but I don't think it works very well right now
[11:51:23] <Satyam2345> its not working for plasma
[11:51:30] <Satyam2345> for manjaro
[11:51:45] <physkets> and its working in KaOS?
[11:52:01] <Satyam2345> if its not why would they ship it
[11:52:12] <physkets> we ship it too...
[11:52:22] <physkets> and it doesn't work
[11:52:33] <Satyam2345> i having problem downloading from sourceforge thats why i can't really tell
[11:52:41] <Satyam2345> Kaos^
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[11:53:11] <physkets> THe state of Wayland support will be the same in every distro that has the same version of KDE/Plasma
[11:53:11] <Satyam2345> and videos are still on youtube KaOS 5.9 and wayland
[11:53:45] <physkets> Ask about the status of wayland in a KDE IRC...
[11:54:19] <Satyam2345> only facing problems related qt 5.8 and Wayland
[11:55:18] <Satyam2345> i think mostly kwin IS STABLE for kde side
[11:55:36] <day|flip>  or xorg
[11:56:16] <Anomali> is that what you talking about guys ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8XiEyGVKcI
[11:56:17] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/6OcmJv] Improve the quality of Plasma with Wayland - YouTube
[11:56:18] <Jeannie> Under x, I have faced some plasmashell crashes with plasma 5.9
[11:56:26] <day|flip> took gnome some time to get there DE to work with wayland. or make it feel more stable then other
[11:57:21] <physkets> Satyam2345: I'm currently using KDE, so yeah kwin works... but I still use an X session because its wayland support isn't quite ready yet.
[11:57:33] <physkets> read some of KDE's changelogs
[11:57:42] <Satyam2345> Wayland is developed on Gnome . they are first in getting wayland
[11:57:44] <physkets> there might be some info on wayland support
[11:58:13] <physkets> Yep, I have another machine running Gnome.. the waland session works
[11:58:17] <day|flip> Satyam2345: first main stream DE to get wayland support
[11:58:26] <day|flip> not the frist
[11:58:30] <Jeannie> Gnome?
[11:58:31] <Satyam2345> kwin working on nested state and weston too. only startplasmacompositor won't work
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[11:58:41] <Satyam2345> it loops
[11:59:00] <physkets> okay, but theres nothing we can do about it
[11:59:00] <Jeannie> Yay, wayland, almost usable
[11:59:09] <Satyam2345> Error: plasma shell dumped core for uid 1000
[11:59:18] <Satyam2345> thats what i get''
[11:59:36] <day|flip> westen is first then sway? cant remember there was qt5 DE that was working on wayland way before gnome got it working
[12:00:34] <Satyam2345> satyam
[12:00:34] <Jeannie> That was the hawaii desktp, right?
[12:00:37] <Satyam2345> toor
[12:00:49] <day|flip> yes Jeannie. thanks you
[12:01:00] <day|flip> just did not remember the name right away
[12:01:12] <Satyam2345> satyam
[12:01:28] <Satyam2345> weston-launch
[12:01:33] <Jeannie> https://liri.io/
[12:01:34] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/3YOnoM] Liri
[12:01:36] <day|flip> Jeannie: did hawaii join another DE qt desktop
[12:01:40] <day|flip> lol
[12:01:40] <Jeannie> Successor of Hawaii
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[12:05:29] <thid> OHHH
[12:05:34] <thid> liri looks interesting
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[12:05:55] <Jeannie> Really?
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[12:06:10] <Jeannie> To me it looks mainly boring
[12:06:18] <thid> yeah like better version of deepin desktop
[12:06:28] <Jeannie> So retro colored
[12:06:41] <Jeannie> Blue/white, like in Win 95
[12:06:43] <yans> thid,
[12:06:52] <yans> i see you
[12:07:42] <thid> ... Jeannie srsly why ur always so negative? ur on pp ?
[12:07:59] <day|flip> there was another qt5 wayland desktop with the same look. look like hawaii group join them
[12:08:10] <thid> sup yans
[12:08:13] <Jeannie> What is pp?
[12:08:15] <day|flip> but it seem they delete gitup
[12:08:28] <day|flip> github acc
[12:08:30] <thid> permanent period
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[12:08:51] <Jeannie> I consider this a personal sexual insult
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[12:09:18] <thid> great
[12:09:31] <Jeannie> Farewell
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[12:11:13] <day|flip> ahhh this make more senes
[12:11:43] <day|flip> Hawaii merged with Papyros and is now Liri OS. there desktop look more like Payyros style then Hawaii
[12:12:16] <Jeannie> The brand new fresh look of the 90s
[12:12:29] <thid> day|flip: it seems so
[12:12:53] <thid> hell I hope liri will be stable soon
[12:13:00] <thid> or at least their de + apps
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[12:14:12] <Satyam2345> sorry.. for being out . Plasma wayland still crashing
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[12:15:22] <Jeannie> You should report that to the kde devs
[12:15:36] <Satyam2345> well already done that
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[12:16:00] <magican> Boys! A virtualbox question, yes - host and guest check. Everything works - check. BUT! When I go fullscreen it like tint the screen, almost like 50% brightness, non fullscreen = bright and nice.
[12:16:03] <magican> wtf is that? :O
[12:16:37] <manjaroCinnamon> hello, anyone who has done manjaro macbook dualboot? Im stuck
[12:16:51] <Satyam2345> gimme macbook then i will tell
[12:17:05] <thid> magican: cant help, I moved to kvm+lxc, coz of virtualbox random problems
[12:17:26] <magican> Ohwell, trail'n'error it is =)
[12:17:31] <magican> spelling*
[12:17:52] <thid> manjaroCinnamon: stuck on what ?
[12:18:11] <manjaroCinnamon> after cli install, how can I chroot?
[12:18:27] <magican> arch-chroot /mnt
[12:18:42] <magican> I suppose you have done mount and all that first..
[12:18:51] <thid> I doubt that part
[12:18:58] <magican> mount /dev/sdXX /mnt
[12:19:01] <magican> chroot /mnt
[12:19:06] <magican> etc etc..
[12:19:17] <thid> chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[12:19:18] <Satyam2345> not enough
[12:19:29] <manjaroCinnamon> mount for root right?
[12:19:45] <Satyam2345> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[12:19:46] <Satyam2345> mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev
[12:19:48] <Satyam2345> mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
[12:19:49] <Satyam2345> mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc
[12:19:51] <Satyam2345> mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
[12:19:52] <Satyam2345> chroot /mnt
[12:20:01] <magican> And THAT'S why I'm doing a supereasy guide how to install the cli way.
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[12:20:05] <Satyam2345> just optional steps
[12:20:29] <manjaroCinnamon> my sda1 is efi, sda8 is for root
[12:20:50] <magican> In order to live happy with arch*.* you __need__ the basic cli skills..  GUI install don't learn u the basics, so small problem become BIG problems.
[12:20:55] <magican> i.m.o ofc.
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[12:21:24] * Jeannie points at the arch and manjaro wiki
[12:22:02] <magican> Jeannie: Yepp.. but many times it almost take for granted you know the basic stuff, many solutions require a bit more skill than clicking buttons in GUI install =)
[12:22:13] <Jeannie> That is true
[12:22:29] <yans> Jeannie, Jeannie Jeannie i made a song for you...
[12:22:31] <yans> my darling
[12:22:44] <magican> But - that doesn't mean it's hard.. I see a clear downside with all GUI distro blablbla.. all the basic stuff we was forced to learn back in the days are gone..
[12:23:01] <manjaroCinnamon> Satyam2345 chroot /mnt : failed to run command '/bin/bash'
[12:23:01] <magican> So many people don't dare to: sudo nano /etc/pacman.conf
[12:23:02] <Jeannie> Choice, its all about choice
[12:23:06] <magican> what if the computer catch fire? :D :O
[12:23:12] <thid> magican: nah just change distro to gentoo, slackware, arch
[12:23:15] <Jeannie> Throw it out of the window
[12:23:22] <Satyam2345> bind bin too
[12:23:28] <day|flip> made a song for you... go god this maybe go bad or good
[12:23:31] <thid> and u will have no gui
[12:24:05] <magican> thid: Yepp.. but the goal for many is to get Linux userfriendly, a.k.a replace windows. But it still require that getting-hands-dirty-in-terminal from time to time.
[12:24:15] <Satyam2345> manjaroCinnamon mount --bind /bin /mnt/bin
[12:24:27] <thid> magican: no point replacing windows
[12:24:45] <magican> If Allan Smith fucks up, kernel-panic.. what should he do? ;) That's my point.
[12:24:53] <magican> thid: True.. no more battlefield for me in that case :(
[12:24:54] <manjaroCinnamon> Satyam2345 : mount point /mnt/bin doesn't exist
[12:24:54] <Jeannie> So you think doing a cli install is the best way to get a user friedly installaion procedure?
[12:25:09] <magican> Jeannie: Ofc not.. but it give you a bit more knowledge..
[12:25:18] <magican> that can be handy someday.
[12:25:27] <Jeannie> Maybe, maybe not
[12:25:44] <thid> knowing chroot is usefull
[12:25:50] <thid> when u cant boot ur system
[12:26:03] <thid> cli is great choice over ui installer
[12:26:04] <Satyam2345> manjaroCinnamon What are you doing.Are you on live boot
[12:26:12] <manjaroCinnamon> yea
[12:26:18] <manjaroCinnamon> Im new
[12:26:32] <Satyam2345> Have you installed on drive'
[12:26:41] <manjaroCinnamon> yeah with cli
[12:27:33] <Satyam2345> follow any guide
[12:27:46] <Satyam2345> its hard for me to tell much here
[12:28:08] <Satyam2345> if eroor occur google. and then ask here
[12:28:29] <Satyam2345> its only way u can learn
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[12:30:01] <manjaroCinnamon> I have done all, that's why I am here lol
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[12:30:52] <manjaroCinnamon> I cannot run manjaro from grub. I cannot boot. so Im finding way to get into drive
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[12:31:03] <manjaroCinnamon> and install or update grub
[12:31:49] <manjaroCinnamon> update-grub shows this error :/usr/bin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `overlay'.
[12:32:11] <Satyam2345> google that^
[12:32:18] <Satyam2345> i don't know about it
[12:32:33] <Satyam2345> problem Is i installed Arch from cli not manjaro.They are diffrent
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[12:32:56] <Satyam2345> for Manjaro i go with GUI always
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[12:36:52] <manjaroCinnamon> let me try reinstall with Calamares
[12:37:58] <Satyam2345> be patient with calamares on low hardware
[12:38:16] <CrimsonSunrise> Hello. I'm trying to install the latest version of Manjaro and while the HDD I want it to be installed appears in Thunar, it doesn't appear in the installer.
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[12:48:38] <Guest66986> Hello everyone;) I've just installed LXDM Display manager, but I don't like it... how to go back to the stock?
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[13:03:08] <yans> Jeannie, Jeannie Jeannie i made a song for you...
[13:03:26] <yans> its go like this "die, die, die, die..." ; ]
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[13:05:01] <superbia> Jeannie: hi luv, i hear you are causing chaos again
[13:05:14] <day|flip> not to day
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[13:05:31] <Jeannie> My igorelist is constantly growing
[13:05:53] <day|flip> am i in it?
[13:06:01] <Jeannie> No
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[13:06:12] <day|flip> Ok. that good to know
[13:06:23] <superbia> day|flip: but this fucker superbia is
[13:06:48] <thid> superbia: u care that "IT wannabe" put u on ignore list? xD
[13:06:50] <day|flip> superbia: what did this superbia did to you
[13:07:03] <yans> my ingorelist is growing, such a pathetic
[13:07:09] <superbia> day|flip: my friend, you do not want to see what are people typing at the moment
[13:07:10] <Jeannie> Only people who have insulted or harassed me are on that list
[13:07:24] <yans> you should be thankfull
[13:07:58] <superbia> yans: my friend, im pretty sure you are on the list, probably top spots
[13:08:09] <yans> yeah!
[13:08:10] <thid> hes no.3
[13:08:28] <yans> good begin
[13:08:44] <yans> wunderschön!
[13:08:55] <superbia> yans: sie verstechts dich
[13:09:03] <deadjaro> hey guys.. Im not able to boot manjaro anymore.. The ssd isnt recognized as uefi drive, is there a workaround how to fix / repair the bootloader
[13:09:19] <superbia> deadjaro: when you leave, im grouping your nickname
[13:09:21] <yans> interessiert mir das nicht
[13:09:29] <thid> deadjaro: did u change somethin in bios ? like turnoff legacy mode ?
[13:09:58] <superbia> deadjaro: what did you do, update system, play with booting, insult Jeannie ?
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[13:10:14] <negen> I think Jeannie is probably one of the more likable people in this internets thingie
[13:10:34] <thid> negen: doubt that
[13:10:35] <yans> negen, shes hot?
[13:10:45] <superbia> il share this sentence with your wife, let's see how will you be after that
[13:11:11] <deadjaro> thid: I only mounted a smb share in /etc/fstab.. but it worked after reboot..
[13:11:20] <superbia> theres your problem
[13:11:25] <negen> I am pretty sure i am too gay to date anyone but ringo in this channel
[13:11:32] <yans> hahaha
[13:11:35] <thid> deadjaro: ur sure ?
[13:11:40] <day|flip> negen: lol
[13:11:54] <deadjaro> thid: uumm.. not absolute lol
[13:12:07] <thid> deadjaro: I mean I would check uefi and ssd
[13:12:21] <day|flip> negen: how you came to that?
[13:12:33] <thid> everybody would date ringo
[13:12:51] <deadjaro> thid: well, even another ssd with windows on it will not be recognized as uefi drive but will boot like a charme
[13:12:54] <negen> ringo smells good and has soft skin
[13:13:03] <negen> and well shaven most of the time
[13:13:10] <thid> deadjaro: then u fkup something in bios
[13:13:41] <day|flip> negen: you guys see each other irl?
[13:14:06] <negen> I am no longer allowed within 100 meters of ringo
[13:14:13] <thid> negen: u 2 ?
[13:14:42] <thid> I think ringu sue everybody. even for simple stalking
[13:15:01] <superbia> ringo is some kind of a pimp
[13:15:07] <superbia> he step down from irc
[13:15:16] <negen> no he didn't mind me showing up at his house naked and stuff it is his wife and naighbors who complained
[13:15:18] <superbia> switches houses and adresses every few months
[13:15:28] <thid> xD
[13:15:28] <yans> and womens
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[13:15:42] <thid> OMG yuta!
[13:15:43] <yans> each week new one
[13:15:47] <yans> yuta, !!!
[13:15:47] <superbia> yuta: !!!
[13:15:49] <yans> my only friend
[13:15:53] <yans> one of only
[13:15:55] <superbia> yuta: !!! konbanha
[13:16:01] <yans> mighty Samurai
[13:16:05] <yuta> !
[13:16:07] <thid> yans u only say that coz he get u for free easy schoolgrils
[13:16:10] <yans> Katana!
[13:16:18] <yuta> many sounds . i love you :)
[13:16:26] <superbia> i love you too yuta <3
[13:16:26] <yans> yuta, where is my naginata?
[13:16:29] <yuta> Konbanha!
[13:16:32] <yuta> superbia
[13:16:38] <thid> yuta get us some chicks!
[13:16:39] <superbia> yuta: merci bien ^_^
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[13:16:55] <yuta> https://www.no1shop.jp/annai/omosiroguzzu/ng1.html
[13:16:58] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/rXnP4O] ȂȂ@65E㓁E
[13:17:02] <yuta> here :0
[13:17:18] <thid> :O
[13:17:21] <superbia> wow *_*
[13:17:24] <thid> yuta: any more shops?!
[13:17:30] <superbia> thid: don't ask
[13:17:37] <thid> with cosplay female outfits for example ?
[13:17:48] <superbia> thid: i have a few bookmarked if u up for it
[13:17:55] <thid> sfw?
[13:18:13] <manjaroCinnamon> Im finnaly done with manjaro dualboot installation with osX in macbook. welcome me
[13:18:16] <thid> or nsfw? <_<
[13:18:21] <superbia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXhouvPA_QI
[13:18:22] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/O0ikcD] 話題 の 眼帯ビキニとはなんぞや! - YouTube
[13:18:23] <negen> probably could find stuff like that at rukuken mall
[13:18:23] <superbia> sfw
[13:18:23] <yuta> There is not many shops of naginata.薙刀 because naginata is so old .
[13:18:32] <Strit_Laptop> Anyone know of a video upload/sharing site, that has a little looser copyright algorythm than google's youtube?
[13:18:33] <negen> i like koken tools from jp
[13:18:35] <day|flip> wth did i miss?
[13:18:37] <superbia> or japanese amazon
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[13:18:52] <thid> day|flip: online shop that sell naginata
[13:19:01] <manjaroCinnamon> Hey, Im Japanese too lol
[13:19:08] <superbia> manjaroCinnamon: konbanha !!
[13:19:13] <manjaroCinnamon> konbanwa@
[13:19:16] <thid> BIKINISTOKYO!!!!!
[13:19:20] <day|flip> i was listin to RADWIMPS
[13:19:23] <day|flip> :)
[13:19:26] <day|flip> does that count?
[13:19:27] <superbia> manjaroCinnamon: talk japanese to yuta in japanese
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[13:19:38] <manjaroCinnamon> yuta san doumo konbanwa
[13:19:53] <manjaroCinnamon> I dont have ibus yet, so cannot type Japanese
[13:20:00] <yuta> ah domodomo ManjaroChinnamon. boku ha fedora user :)
[13:20:09] <manjaroCinnamon> otsukaresama
[13:20:16] <yuta> otukaresamadesu
[13:20:18] <superbia> yuta: is he japanese?
[13:20:23] <manjaroCinnamon> yes
[13:20:29] <manjaroCinnamon> yuta is Jpaanse name
[13:20:30] <yuta> yes. sueprbia
[13:20:32] <superbia> yuta: ok then he can join our club
[13:20:39] <deadjaro> thid: ok, I figured out it may have to do with bios as fstab shows me /boot/efi
[13:21:13] <superbia> deadjaro: revert to old fstab
[13:21:25] <superbia> deadjaro: if you tampered the fstab, always have a backup....
[13:21:58] <negen> or fix it from a chroot
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[13:22:01] <superbia> deadjaro: last time my disk was not bootable, i had to just reset bios, and it worked after.... just something in case everything else fails
[13:22:18] <superbia> if you cant find boot partition then its fstab
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[13:22:20] <CrimsonSunrise> Is there an explanation why Thunar sees my hard drive, but Calamares doesn't?
[13:22:25] <deadjaro> superbia: Im in chroot right now
[13:22:25] <yuta> absent/ riseki shimasu. manjaroCinnamon
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[13:22:40] <superbia> deadjaro: ok, fix it in chroot
[13:22:42] <manjaroCinnamon> arigato yuta san:)
[13:23:26] <superbia> yans: as a board member of our prestigeous organization, do we take manjaroCinnamon as our new member? It's february, the month of love and month of mating.
[13:23:54] <deadjaro> superbia: ok, so I just delete my last modifications.
[13:24:01] <manjaroCinnamon> Im in live usb, my name changes as nandn
[13:24:02] <superbia> depends what you did
[13:24:06] <superbia> deadjaro: tell me what you did
[13:24:19] <deadjaro> superbia: mounted smb share
[13:24:19] <superbia> manjaroCinnamon: are you from hokaido
[13:24:29] <manjaroCinnamon> no
[13:24:32] <superbia> :(
[13:24:43] <manjaroCinnamon> I was in US for 3 years now Im in tokyo
[13:25:02] <deadjaro> I was in japan last year. what an awesome country
[13:25:08] <negen> http://www.koken-tool.co.jp/en/
[13:25:10] <manjaroCinnamon> thanks deadjaro
[13:25:12] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/yH0owv] Ko-ken Tools the web
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[13:25:34] <superbia> thanks negen
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[13:25:43] <superbia> i really needed socket wrench bits
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[13:26:17] <negen> http://www.nepros.net/
[13:26:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/e9iFw5] Nepros Tools & Products
[13:26:26] <negen> nepros are a bit nicer
[13:26:32] <negen> i do like koken though
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[13:26:59] <negen> but i was disapointed in the koken zeal torx my t-20 broke too easily
[13:27:01] <superbia> what is the top spec japanese tool vendor
[13:27:12] <superbia> i can tell you the top spec eu tool vendor then
[13:27:12] <negen> nepros is the best for sockets
[13:27:19] <negen> koken is secon
[13:27:31] <negen> and keiba is best for pilers
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[13:27:58] <negen> nepros also has the best spanners or adjustable wrenches which ever you call it
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[13:28:07] <deadjaro> superbia: /nycsrv02/data /mnt/data     cifs    credentials=/etc/share_creds,x-systemd.automount 0 0
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[13:28:21] <superbia> deadjaro: remove that line from fstab, and you will be good
[13:28:31] <superbia> deadjaro: tip, always backup fstab before tampering it
[13:29:05] <negen> http://www.keiba-tool.com/keiba/en/series/
[13:29:07] <deadjaro> superbia: ok.. I will tell you if that works.. what do u mean by grouping my name btw
[13:29:08] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/r4MCXy] (link was unresponsive: http://www.keiba-tool.com/keiba/en/series/)
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[13:29:31] <nandn> now Im in manjarocinnamon, I love this
[13:29:56] <negen> I have three of these pilers they are the best i have owned
[13:29:58] <negen> http://www.keiba-tool.com/keiba/en/series/022/
[13:30:01] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/mFz8lP] (link was unresponsive: http://www.keiba-tool.com/keiba/en/series/022/)
[13:30:14] <negen> i have the linemen pliers the needle nose and the cutters
[13:30:20] <deadjaro> nandn: me too, a lot more comfortable as gentoo >D
[13:30:22] <superbia> pls do not laugh
[13:30:50] <superbia> i have held wermacht hand tools and it felt really good
[13:31:11] <nandn> I own macbook pro retina, by far I tried many, but manjaro provides best touchpad and hidpi support
[13:31:22] <superbia> and i've handled couple of luftwaffe watches, the german steel is amazing
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[13:31:41] <superbia> negen: importing japanese tools in europe would be pretty expencive
[13:31:46] <TaZeR> is manjaro the most popular distro yet?
[13:32:01] <nandn> manjaro iidesune
[13:32:04] <deadjaro> i dont think so
[13:32:11] <negen> there is dealers in eurupe
[13:32:23] <negen> plus europe probably has better tools from germany
[13:32:32] <deadjaro> brb
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[13:32:58] <superbia> negen: tell me european tool vendors you know
[13:33:02] <negen> hazat or what not
[13:33:05] <superbia> just so that i get a sense of how much you know
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[13:33:22] <TwistedFate> halp
[13:33:26] <Jeannie> Hazet
[13:33:33] <TwistedFate> i ran into a small problem
[13:33:35] <negen> stahlwille
[13:33:42] <TwistedFate> upgraded wine-gaming-nine via aur
[13:33:54] <negen> um there is that fake uk brand too
[13:34:14] <TwistedFate> and it hangs at this point "(1/1) Updating the desktop file MIME type cache...
[13:34:14] <TwistedFate> Transaction successfully finished.
[13:34:14] <TwistedFate> "
[13:34:20] <negen> drapper
[13:34:31] <negen> i have a fien drill
[13:34:40] <negen> probably the best drill i have ever owned
[13:34:40] <thid> poland...gov spend 12,25mil$ on social portal for...homeless
[13:35:43] <superbia> thid: you made my day
[13:35:56] <day|flip> so they getting kick out? what will the do to the homeless?
[13:36:03] <superbia> negen: i thought hand tools
[13:36:18] <superbia> negen: stuff like BETA, WIHA etc.
[13:36:22] <thid> day|flip: no its portal when HOMELESS ppl can look for informations and job xD
[13:36:28] <negen> i have some wiha stuff
[13:36:30] <thid> where*
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[13:36:43] <negen> beta not so much since they are a fake brand
[13:36:47] <day|flip> thid: thanks. was not sure
[13:37:00] <thid> I mean...HOMELESS...they dont have home but they have PC and internet xD
[13:37:13] <superbia> they have androids
[13:37:18] <superbia> and public wifi
[13:37:25] <thid> rightt
[13:37:31] <thid> they have barly 1$ for beer
[13:37:33] <negen> https://fein.com/en_us/specials/drills/
[13:37:34] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/DIY6XQ] FEIN cordless drill/drivers – extremely powerful. - FEIN Power Tools Inc.
[13:37:36] <superbia> pm?
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[13:38:05] <superbia> negen: makita drills no?
[13:38:19] <negen> yeah makita makes tools
[13:38:22] <superbia> makita is more popular among pros here
[13:38:28] <negen> but i think made in china probly
[13:38:29] <superbia> you have places to buy and service it
[13:38:35] <nandn> really?
[13:38:36] <superbia> yea, everything is made in china
[13:38:40] <nandn> lol
[13:38:48] <negen> here pros use special brands
[13:38:54] <superbia> even the condom your father used nandn
[13:39:12] * day|flip face palm
[13:39:15] <nandn> even mine lmao
[13:39:29] <superbia> negen: pm me
[13:39:43] <superbia> pm me ringo will never know
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[13:40:34] <negen> makita is top rated here
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[13:40:45] <superbia> it costs top dollar here
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[13:41:05] <deadjaro> superbia: didnt work
[13:41:09] <negen> fein is much stronger than mikita though
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[13:41:20] <superbia> probably, but you didnt get top spec makitas
[13:41:34] <superbia> top spec makitas can drill holes in the ground, dug earth etc.
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[13:41:51] <superbia> deadjaro: pastebin me yoru fstab
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[13:42:22] <superbia> negen: thath's why we buy makitas in Italia, italians have the cheapest everything... like 40% off retail prices you see online
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[13:42:34] <negen> https://www.us.hilti.com/cordless-systems/drills,-impact-drivers-%26-wrenches
[13:42:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/NZxOa2] Drills, Impact Drivers & Wrenches - Hilti USA
[13:42:38] <thid> buy from china direct
[13:42:46] <thid> aliexpress :D
[13:43:08] <superbia> hhh
[13:43:09] <negen> hilti is the top brand here in usa they have on site service for professionals
[13:43:32] <superbia> negen: actually, we call a hammer-drill "hiltica"
[13:43:32] <negen> they will replace your drill onsite within 30-1hr
[13:43:45] <superbia> but i didn't know hilti was actually a brand
[13:43:53] <Jeannie> Hilti , made in Liechtenstein
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[13:44:24] <superbia> Jeannie: thank's sweetie
[13:44:54] <negen> knipex is a hand tool that is top rated here in usa
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[13:45:08] <Jeannie> German
[13:45:09] <deadjaro> superbia: oops, did it work?
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[13:45:27] <negen> but they have sold out recently and now allow rebands you can buy other brands but get a knipex
[13:45:30] <superbia> yes the nudes arrived
[13:45:51] <negen> beasy is a good german made wood clamps but they also are starting to sell out to china
[13:46:01] <superbia> negen: does this look fishy http://pastebin.com/VkmUCXFT ?
[13:46:01] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/TdGKWn] # /etc/fstab: static file system information.  #  # Use 'blkid' to print the uni - Pastebin.com
[13:46:08] <Jeannie> I wonder what you will buy when all  non american products get more expensive
[13:46:37] <superbia> i wont reply to that &_^
[13:47:00] <negen> already they are top dollar here
[13:47:20] <Jeannie> Add Trump's annouced 30% import tax on top
[13:47:22] <negen> almost double the cost of american made which is already 5 times more than china made
[13:47:27] <CrimsonSunrise> Does anyone know why Thunar sees my HDD and is able to mount it, but Calamares doesn't?
[13:47:50] <negen> import taxes wont even individuals
[13:47:54] <superbia> CrimsonSunrise: isnt calamares the installer?
[13:48:10] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, Yes.
[13:48:37] <negen> superbia, looks fine to me although i never seen a uuid so short like the /boot partition
[13:48:40] <superbia> pastebin the output of `lsblk` command
[13:48:42] <superbia> negen: me too
[13:49:06] <superbia> negen: and it can't find that partition...
[13:49:07] <deadjaro> superbia: me?
[13:49:18] <superbia> deadjaro: i'd regenerate fstab
[13:49:35] <superbia> but you first have to properly chroot your shit.
[13:50:02] <deadjaro> superbia: so i have to admit its a real mess
[13:50:11] <superbia> deadjaro: # genfstab -U /mnt >> /mnt/etc/fstab
[13:50:17] <negen> we have snap on and proto and sk and a few other brands here in usa Jeannie
[13:50:23] <negen> but german tools are the best
[13:50:25] <Jeannie> I know
[13:50:26] <superbia> deadjaro: Check the resulting file in /mnt/etc/fstab afterwards, and edit it in case of errors.
[13:50:42] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, https://hastebin.com/luwilehega.coffeescript
[13:50:43] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/VhVtsJ] hastebin
[13:50:49] <negen> almost every thing german is better than anything else
[13:51:15] <CrimsonSunrise> It sees sdb and sdc, but not sda
[13:51:47] <thid> negen: well womans arent
[13:52:08] <negen> except for Weißbier
[13:52:25] <superbia> deadjaro: do you understand what are you doing
[13:52:26] <CrimsonSunrise> And I'm trying to replace the installation in sda2
[13:52:45] <deadjaro> superbia: oh I think, I just chrooted again
[13:52:47] <negen> kristallweizen is good sometimes
[13:52:59] <Jeannie> Had a hawaiian beer yesterday
[13:53:00] <negen> but mostly dunkel is the only i like
[13:53:12] <deadjaro> superbia: now Im going to do the genfstab etc command
[13:53:12] <superbia> CrimsonSunrise: why exactly
[13:53:25] <superbia> deadjaro: make sure you chroot properly
[13:53:33] <superbia> deadjaro: backup fstab beforehand
[13:53:36] <superbia> just in case
[13:53:39] <superbia> you fuck up again
[13:53:41] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, Because I want to isntall Manjaro there.
[13:53:43] <deadjaro> ok
[13:53:50] <superbia> CrimsonSunrise: and it's different linux there?
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[13:53:55] <negen> warsteiner dunkel and hofbrau are mostly what we get in usa
[13:54:08] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, Yes. Elementary is installed there.
[13:54:20] <superbia> you do see that you have mounted partitions on there?
[13:54:27] <Jeannie> I avoid industrially made beers
[13:54:31] <superbia> sda1 and sda3 are mounted
[13:54:45] <negen> I do too when i can
[13:54:46] <superbia> the craft beers are made with virgin tears and unicorn farts, i love craft beer
[13:54:57] <negen> it is rare to get a craft dunkel in usa
[13:55:00] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, Yes, but the hard drive doesn't appear on Calamares.
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[13:55:14] <superbia> im just saying you should unmount that shit
[13:55:25] <superbia> or nuke the whole sda
[13:55:39] <Jeannie> So, why don't you brew your own craft dunkel?
[13:55:49] <superbia> i tried, once
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[13:56:14] <negen> i do not know how to brew beer Jeannie
[13:56:18] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, I can't format sda. I have files in there that I have no other place to put on.
[13:56:18] <superbia> but then i met ringo, and like negen i had no more time to craft
[13:57:14] <superbia> CrimsonSunrise: the thing is. /run/media/manjaro/backup unmount this
[13:57:19] <superbia> and unmount swap
[13:57:24] <deadjaro> superbia: ok, just to be fine, I chroot and under / i can see the filesystem of my manjaro os
[13:57:33] <thid> mc
[13:57:40] <Jeannie> It's not that difficult
[13:57:52] <superbia> i thought you don't drink Jeannie
[13:57:56] <Jeannie> I have some friends who brew their own beers
[13:58:25] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, "umount: /dev/sda3: not mounted"
[13:58:37] <superbia> unmount this /run/media/manjaro/backup
[13:58:51] <superbia> you can't unmount /dev/things
[13:58:56] <superbia> you can just unmount "folders"
[13:59:05] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, Done that. Ran Calamares. No change.
[13:59:11] <superbia> and disable swap
[13:59:28] <superbia> and then run cli installer, it should be the most stable installre
[13:59:49] <deadjaro> superbia: genfstab command not found
[14:00:44] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, Where is the CLI installer? This live of Manjaro only has Calamares.
[14:01:14] <superbia> what version are you using
[14:01:15] <negen> is austria related to germany at all ?
[14:01:17] <superbia> version of iso
[14:01:20] <superbia> negen: no
[14:02:09] <CrimsonSunrise> superbia, manjaro-xfce-16.10.3-stable-x86_64
[14:02:11] <Jeannie> It's a neighbored country, both are members of the european union, and the austrians speak a language quite similar to germann
[14:02:12] <day|flip> CrimsonSunrise: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/git-archtect-cli-installer-fork-for-manjaro-development-test/15822
[14:02:13] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/eSLHth] [git] Archtect CLI Installer fork for Manjaro (development & test) - Manjaro Development - Manjaro
[14:02:28] <day|flip> CrimsonSunrise: I think it now in the unstable repo
[14:02:53] <negen> oh i see there was some sort of unifacation thing going on in the 1950's with germany
[14:03:08] <CrimsonSunrise> day|flip, I'm running the Live at the moment. I can't install anything.
[14:03:22] <day|flip> no internet?
[14:03:42] <CrimsonSunrise> day|flip, I have internet.
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[14:07:21] <day|flip> it seem it still not in the unstable repo yet. just on github
[14:08:03] <day|flip> in theory. you can install this from any distro. but it best if it have packman already installed
[14:08:03] <CrimsonSunrise> Then I can't use it.
[14:08:14] <day|flip> pacman*
[14:08:17] <superbia> day|flip: why didt we remove multiple installers?
[14:08:23] <superbia> day|flip: we had like 3 at one time?
[14:08:39] <CrimsonSunrise> I don't have the root password for the live and I can't change it either, since I have to know the previous password.
[14:08:47] <day|flip> manjaro stop maintaing it cli installer it as broken as hell anyway
[14:09:30] <superbia> i thought gui ones are shit
[14:09:34] <day|flip> superbia: this is to try to bring back a cli installer. but fork it from something that was already good ground to work with
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[14:10:53] <CrimsonSunrise> So, I can't install Majaro because it doesn't see the HDD I want to install it to?
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[14:11:25] <day|flip> nvme?
[14:11:56] <CrimsonSunrise> What?
[14:12:47] <thid> means no
[14:13:08] <superbia> thid: we need to retire
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[14:13:17] <thid> huh ? why?
[14:13:23] <superbia> grow old
[14:13:26] <superbia> by the lake
[14:13:31] <superbia> in an old wooden house
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[14:14:33] <thid> I'm not old!
[14:14:45] <day|flip> im out. going to bed. good night
[14:14:50] <superbia> day|flip: good night aussie
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[14:15:27] <CrimsonSunrise> What's the next distro on the list?
[14:15:32] <deadjaro> So, I will reinstall that whole shit
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[14:17:33] <Strit_Laptop> CrimsonSunrise: The password for the live user is "manjaro" without the quotes.
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[14:18:50] <CrimsonSunrise> Strit_Laptop, sweet. One less problem.
[14:19:59] <Strit_Laptop> in regards to the cli installer, as others have mentioned, there is an unofficial one in the unstable repo's.
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[14:22:33] <CrimsonSunrise> There's no unstable repo in 'pacman.conf'
[14:23:31] <Strit_Laptop> CrimsonSunrise: no. You set branch with "sudo pacman-mirrors -g -b unstable"
[14:25:27] <CrimsonSunrise> Strit_Laptop, Do I have to remove the mirror after installation is done?
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[14:27:47] <CrimsonSunrise> And, is there a way to just update the repos without installing anything?
[14:27:48] <Strit_Laptop> No, it will be lost when you reboot. :)
[14:28:10] <Strit_Laptop> CrimsonSunrise: yeah, to get a new database you can do "sudo pacman -Syy"
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[14:29:21] <CrimsonSunrise> Now, the name of the package is?
[14:29:50] <Strit_Laptop> manjaro-architect I think
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[14:33:19] <CrimsonSunrise> Well, fingers crossed.
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[14:39:17] <CrimsonSunrise> And no. the cli-installer is now stuck in 'mkfs.ext4 -q /dev/sda2'
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[14:41:39] <CrimsonSunrise> No HDD activity. Nothing.
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[15:23:03] <luuuciano> mmmm, I have 2 kernels isntalled, LTS 44 and LTS 49... but 44 is not listed on grub and just starts LTS49... is that normal?
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[15:27:51] <manjaro-kde5__> hi
[15:28:08] <superbia> hi
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[15:29:26] <yans> Jeannie, thid like you
[15:29:50] <yans> very mucho
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[15:34:07] <superbia> she ignored you very mucho
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[15:44:41] <superbia> Flauschi: hallo
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[15:46:49] <linda_> does anyone know how to install only the proprietary openCL bits above AMD GPU in Manjaro?
[15:47:26] <superbia> linda_: bist du deutsch?
[15:48:41] <linda_> nein, aber ich spreche Deutsch
[15:49:17] <Flauschi> Guten Morgen. :D
[15:49:29] <superbia> Flauschi: Guten Morgen liebe
[15:49:40] <linda_> Guten Morgen :)
[15:49:52] <linda_> um 15:49, warum nicht :D
[15:50:05] <superbia> bist du auf tinder linda_ ?
[15:50:45] <linda_> ja, ich wiege 140Kg und wasche mich 7 mal pro Jahr. Bist du frei?
[15:51:20] <superbia> ja
[15:51:33] <Flauschi> :D
[15:51:40] <superbia> FFM?
[15:51:43] <superbia> oder ?
[15:52:36] <superbia> linda_: wo bist du?
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[15:53:13] <superbia> linda_: wo
[15:53:35] <linda_> superbia, in deinem Arsch, am ende rechts abbiegen.
[15:53:43] <linda_> da bin ich
[15:53:51] <superbia> linda_: deine schonheit is vergleihbar nur mit dem frischeit von morgens brotschen!
[15:54:14] <superbia> linda_: ich liebe dich linda_
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[15:55:16] <linda_> someone has infos about installing OpenCL driver from GPU PRO on top of free AMD GPU?
[15:55:45] <superbia> Jeannie: why are you trying to impersonate as linda_
[15:56:15] <linda_> superbia, why do you try to impersonate as superbia?
[15:57:00] <superbia> nice try mr J.
[15:57:07] <superbia> s/mr/ms
[15:57:26] <yans> unglaublich
[15:57:29] <Jolt2bolt> linda_, did you try to check in AUR?
[15:57:41] <superbia> yans: linda_ ist Jeannie
[15:57:59] <superbia> [red]claw: hallo liebe
[15:58:14] <superbia> [red]claw: wie gehts es?
[15:58:14] <[red]claw> hahaha linda_ ist mir direkt sympathisch
[15:58:59] <Flauschi> Hallo ihr Nasen.
[15:59:13] <superbia> Gruss Gott Flauschi
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[15:59:56] <yans> sie blockiert mir wahrscheinlich
[16:00:18] <superbia> yans: warum
[16:00:33] <linda_> Jolt2bolt, I checked, there is an aur for AMD GPU PRO, but it doesn't work on manjaro because of the driver manager that can't be deinstalled and conflicts.
[16:00:36] <yans> warum soll ich das wiessen?
[16:00:46] <superbia> ja
[16:01:08] <yans> Fragt sie
[16:01:17] * superbia frage mich
[16:01:26] * superbia weissen!
[16:01:36] <Satyam2345> can we talk english
[16:01:47] <superbia> Satyam2345: deutschland uber alles
[16:02:05] <Satyam2345> Band Karo Bakchodi
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[16:02:48] <yans> Österreich für Österreicher! :D
[16:02:59] <Jolt2bolt> linda_, did you tried to use mhwd command in a terminal to uninstall the driver?o.o
[16:03:04] <superbia> ;)
[16:03:10] <superbia> Jolt2bolt: sie ist nicht fur dich
[16:03:12] <yans> yugo raus
[16:03:16] <superbia> Jolt2bolt: sie ist veruckt
[16:03:18] <yans> :p
[16:03:26] <superbia> poland raus
[16:03:45] * yans drop bomb on superbia house
[16:03:54] <yans> let it shine...
[16:03:57] * superbia sends yans to auswitch
[16:04:06] <yans> zum arbeit?
[16:04:17] <yans> naah danke, bin ich heute zu faul :p
[16:04:33] <superbia> warum
[16:04:51] <yans> kein zeit, für blödsinn
[16:04:54] <manots> "DANZING IST DEUTSCH"
[16:05:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [red]claw
[16:05:47] <yans> http://cdn.webfail.com/upl/img/bd524b942fd/post2.jpg
[16:05:48] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/FQPNis] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
[16:05:55] <Jolt2bolt> please stop using german, the official language of the channel is english!-.-
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[16:06:05] <physkets> ^
[16:06:08] <[red]claw> superbia: yans stop making unfunny and pretty offensive jokes in this channel.
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[16:06:31] <yans> ja vohl! Herr Fibel.
[16:06:32] <Flauschi> Germany first. :D
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[16:06:56] <superbia> [red]claw: his country was invaded by germany, he has the right to talk back
[16:07:12] <linda_> Jolt2bolt, why uninstall the driver? the problem comes from mhwd itself on Manjaro. https://forum.manjaro.org/t/mhwd-is-in-conflict-with-amdgpu-pro-from-aur/7782
[16:07:13] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/k7jKe5] MHWD is in conflict with AMDGPU-PRO from AUR - Drivers - Manjaro
[16:07:21] <[red]claw> superbia: "sending someone to ausschwitz" is not fitting into this channel.
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[16:07:32] <superbia> let me explain the situation
[16:07:36] <superbia> ringo stepped down
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[16:07:42] <[red]claw> and quite interesting that i still have op rights
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[16:07:50] <superbia> there's only strit and mnemonic have op rights
[16:07:59] <superbia> the access flags modifiers is philm and arnt
[16:08:04] <superbia> both offline for 1 year
[16:08:10] <superbia> so the fact you have an op is just a joke
[16:08:17] <superbia> Jeannie: deserves more op than you do [red]claw
[16:08:31] <[red]claw> fully agree
[16:08:37] <[red]claw> i don't even use manjaro anymore
[16:08:43] <superbia> what do you use
[16:09:08] <[red]claw> Arch
[16:09:10] <superbia> get the fuck out hoe
[16:09:24] <Satyam2345> #archlinux
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[16:09:30] <Satyam2345> #archlinux-offtopic
[16:10:04] <Satyam2345> manjaro Kde devs. Plz summon
[16:10:12] <badbodh> howdy
[16:10:18] <Satyam2345> hi
[16:10:21] <superbia> badbodh: hi
[16:10:26] <Jolt2bolt> hi
[16:10:30] <Flauschi> Hola.
[16:10:49] <badbodh> greetings bots, cyborgs and phallic accessories \o
[16:10:52] <superbia> Flauschi: como estas senor?
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[16:11:08] <superbia> badbodh: plaka mou kaneis ^_^
[16:11:29] <badbodh> que pasa senor?
[16:12:03] <superbia> badbodh: plaka mou kaneis?
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[16:12:16] <badbodh> mi no speako espanolo, mi just pretendo. comprende ?
[16:12:24] <superbia> comprende senor
[16:12:29] <badbodh> :D
[16:12:31] <superbia> badbodh: he will not divide us
[16:12:33] <[red]claw> se no hablo espanol
[16:12:37] <superbia> badbodh: you will not be deported
[16:12:41] <superbia> badbodh: to the other side
[16:12:46] <superbia> badbodh: of the great wall
[16:12:54] <superbia> your secret is safe with me
[16:13:01] <superbia> chicano
[16:13:38] <badbodh> okay, TIL i am a mexican chick \o/
[16:14:03] <superbia> do you speak german badbodh ?
[16:14:13] <badbodh> [red]claw, you calling me spanish hobo ? i'll tear your heart out!
[16:14:44] <badbodh> superbia, apart from "danke" and "heil fuhrer", not much
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[16:14:54] <superbia> you should learn it, magnificent language, linda_ speaks it... such wonderfull and charismatic person
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[16:15:58] <badbodh> sure ;) maybe my charisma will give linda_ a raging pro bono (<---- spanish for boner ?)
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[16:16:24] <badbodh> i do have old how to speak german textbooks. It's on my laundry list
[16:16:27] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[16:16:45] <superbia> badbodh: did linda disconnect ?
[16:17:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [red]claw
[16:17:13] *** badbodh was kicked by [red]claw ("hate speech")
[16:17:23] <superbia> kek
[16:17:27] <[red]claw> superbia: wanna go, too?
[16:17:29] <superbia> [red]claw: this is tirany
[16:17:47] *** superbia was kicked by [red]claw ("No, this is an Operating System support channel, not kindergarten")
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[16:18:16] <superbia> tirany
[16:18:30] <superbia> heil furer [red]claw
[16:18:32] <superbia> heil furer [red]claw
[16:18:33] <superbia> heil furer [red]claw
[16:18:35] <superbia> 3 times
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[16:18:43] <superbia> now im immune to bans
[16:18:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [red]claw
[16:18:55] *** superbia was kicked by [red]claw (superbia)
[16:19:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o [red]claw
[16:19:14] <badbodh> [red]claw, that a fun kick or serious ? i was joking about misinterpreting "hablo"
[16:19:25] <[red]claw> badbodh: it was about heil fuhrer.
[16:19:37] <[red]claw> This is an support channel
[16:20:08] <[red]claw> Please keep _any_ form of politics, besides IT politics out of this channel
[16:20:15] <badbodh> yes, i must be new here. sorry.
[16:20:20] <[red]claw> Even if it is meant as a joke, it can offend people
[16:20:23] <[red]claw> No problem :)
[16:20:51] <badbodh> who are you again ? haven't seen your nick before.
[16:21:05] <badbodh> that zenther ?
[16:21:11] <[red]claw> That doesn't matter, it's quite alarming that i still have op
[16:22:17] <Jolt2bolt> stop fighting...
[16:22:34] <Jolt2bolt> I got Op too so I can unban people, right?
[16:22:50] <[red]claw> i don't ban, i just kick for being offensive and offtopic :)
[16:23:06] <badbodh> dunno how flags work here. but op should be able to ban unban
[16:24:27] <Jolt2bolt> I got years since I don't use that, I forgot how to do it!;O
[16:24:27] <badbodh> [red]claw, you need to chill. this is a happy place, ain;t nobody gonna hate speech
[16:24:56] <[red]claw> Jolt2bolt: same, had to google
[16:25:05] <[red]claw> badbodh: i wished
[16:25:07] <[red]claw> already happened
[16:25:22] <badbodh> it's all about context. he asked me "do you know german language", that's honest answer i gave him.
[16:25:25] <[red]claw> Don't understand how adult humans can act like children
[16:25:38] <badbodh> nothing to do with any "political affiliation world view" thingy
[16:25:51] <[red]claw> badbodh: yes, i was a bit too fast at you maybe, but superbia was already making jokes about sending someone to ausschwitz
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[16:26:01] <[red]claw> i take hate speech pretty seriously.
[16:26:26] <Jolt2bolt> [red]claw, well god's gave us the right to choose, even if it's wrong or good!:P
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[16:27:35] <Jolt2bolt> by the way, I installed awesomefont but I don't know how to put the weird font in my awesome config file, do you know how to use that fonts?
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[16:27:57] <[red]claw> Jolt2bolt: the font is for the window bar or the UI?
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[16:28:38] <[red]claw> Jolt2bolt: And we learn from our mistakes and get forgiveness for our sins :) Hopefully other learn, too.
[16:29:28] <badbodh> damn bruh, it's just a font don;t get all philosophical
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[16:30:04] <[red]claw> xD
[16:30:08] <[red]claw> wasn't about the font
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[16:31:10] <badbodh> welp, we all learn from our mistakes. Like "nothing".
[16:31:40] <badbodh> i've learnt a lot of "nothing" from my mistakes, can tell y'all that
[16:32:08] <badbodh> speaking of y'all where did countryfartlinux go ?
[16:32:42] <badbodh> wanted to diss that baldy for quitting drinking, buying guns and making crappy reviews
[16:35:19] <Jolt2bolt> [red]claw, is a font that can be used in the ui but have weird symbold instead of the normal hexadecimal numbers
[16:35:35] <Jolt2bolt> [red]claw, http://fontawesome.io/cheatsheet/
[16:35:39] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/S3hmsc] Font Awesome Cheatsheet
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[16:37:11] <manjaro-web|1376> My system becomes quite noticably slower when running youart and updating software... I have a pretty powerful computer, so i hope this just means that youart takes alot of resources... I have fiddled so much with my desktop drivers and software to get everything running perfectly... That at this point, if something happens again which is driver re
[16:37:11] <manjaro-web|1376> lated, im removing manjaro.
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[16:37:40] <Jolt2bolt> badbodh, if he quit drinking i happy for him
[16:38:27] <[red]claw> Jolt2bolt: no idea sry
[16:38:31] <manjaro-web|1376> Also, Is this a proper help area? I see people talking but i never have gottena  reply?
[16:38:36] <badbodh> i understand. but he ain't happy -.- he needs to drink cold beer and be happy
[16:39:07] <badbodh> what kind of a self-respecting cowboy got guns but no beer
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[16:39:25] <badbodh> manjaro-web|1376, we're reading.
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[16:40:26] <badbodh> have you run 'top' or any process-monitoring tool and checked for cpu usage during yaourt's run?
[16:40:35] <[red]claw> manjaro-web|1376: not a manjaro user but don't think that should happen
[16:41:03] <[red]claw> also don't recommend yaourt since it's somewhat insecure because it sources PKGBUILD which can be dangerous
[16:41:29] <badbodh> yep, it's wild west. Read the pkgbuild every time before you run.
[16:41:38] <Scolari> It does not happen on my compotuer, and it is not powerfull at all
[16:41:43] <badbodh> in fact, read all the files yourt fetches before compiling
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[16:42:57] <manjaro-web|1376> I did install cinnamon desktop... And pusleadio-equalizer... But those are things i've heard of and used before in ubuntu
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[16:43:30] <badbodh> first run 'top' and check cpu usage. gotta know who;s slowing you down
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[16:44:02] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: it says cinnamon is using 5 cpu
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[16:44:19] <Scolari> Dual terminal windows, one with htop ant the otherone run your yaourt
[16:44:21] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: 12*
[16:45:42] <badbodh> manjaro-web|1376, when yaourt is running it compiles a lot of stuff. increases cpu usage is normal, but a) gotta tell exactly what you were updating. b) AUR stuff is beyond us to begin with and c)report the cpu usage WHEN yaourt is running compiling (which is when it slows you down i guess)
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[16:47:23] <badbodh> if your issue were graphics/cinnamon related, yaourt would've had nothing to do with it. You gonna be slow and laggy all the time
[16:48:07] <badbodh> do check again and report back. take your time, no hurry
[16:48:31] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: i do notice some slow downs and bugs in general though... I was using libre office... And i opened another instance for a different file... And my whole desktop froze except for the mouse... I restarted X...
[16:49:02] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: youart finished, but theres still a noticable lag
[16:49:23] <physkets> is swap in use? How much RAM do you have?
[16:49:53] <manjaro-web|1376> physkets: i have 16 GBs and 16 GB of swap that manjaro setup... its using 0 swap
[16:50:11] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: my i7 is going up to 40-60% quite a bit...
[16:50:25] <badbodh> quick! run top and see what's spiking
[16:50:35] <physkets> run htop/top and tell us what is doing it
[16:51:17] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh:  only like 9 programs listed in top
[16:51:22] * badbodh takes off physkets top. freezes due to low ram :(
[16:51:28] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: but its saying cpu3 is going up to 80%
[16:52:04] <badbodh> manjaro-web|1376, you can also use system-monitor, basically any "task manager"(if you have used windows) equivalent will do
[16:52:13] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: gnome monitor says cinnamon is using 11% cpu
[16:52:24] <physkets> no no, we want to know the program that is using all that CPU
[16:52:25] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: everything else is 0%
[16:52:43] <badbodh> there will be button thingy, look for "show all processes"
[16:52:51] <physkets> what do you mean cinnamon? What is the name of the process?
[16:53:14] <physkets> and then order by CPU speed
[16:53:19] <badbodh> physkets, he can't see all the processes just yet. let him tick "show all process" and sort by cpu %
[16:53:22] <manjaro-web|1376> physkets: cinnamon --replace
[16:53:39] <physkets> do what badbodh suggested
[16:54:29] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: im going to reboot.... Its cinnamon... I dont want to damage my cpu.
[16:54:46] <physkets> then we may not know what is causing the issue
[16:54:59] <manjaro-web|1376> badbodh: might because of the unresponsiveness after libreoffice... so i restarted xserver... and i may have multiple cinnamon instances
[16:55:05] <badbodh> just let it cool down. try again later
[16:55:25] <badbodh> we're online most of the time. i'm pretty useless all day
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[16:55:50] <badbodh> speaking of useless, howdy holmeslinux \o anything new on your JWM ?
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[16:57:33] <holmeslinux> kkkkkkkkkkkkk
[16:57:41] <holmeslinux> nothing new
[16:57:45] <badbodh> [red]claw, ^ see? hate speech. kick!
[16:58:06] <badbodh> too many k's :P
[16:58:30] <badbodh> holmeslinux, you was looking for a new logout dialogue JWM specific, you get that done ?
[16:58:38] <[red]claw> badbodh: ;)
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[16:59:49] <holmeslinux> the problem with compton has been solved and now i use oblogout again ;)
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[17:00:17] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: im back.
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[17:01:33] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: alright... im going to find out how to enable REISUB... assign task manager to key bindings... check for updates to cinnamon.... see if i can prevent libreoffice from bugging out (try and find why it froze the system)...
[17:01:47] <truepurpl> what email is manaro under for its digital signature?
[17:01:58] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: then i wont have to deal with restarting x, and having cinnamon bug out.
[17:03:00] <badbodh> manjaro-web|6145, actually restarting X shouldn't have that effect. besides, your cinnamon was just using 11% , gotta know what was using 40-60% first
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[17:03:22] <badbodh> have  you found out the "show all process" setting on gnome system monitor ?
[17:03:24] <NanoSector> REISUB is a means to forcefully restart the PC
[17:03:35] <physkets> truepurpl: I see you've spent some time looking up PGP, eh?
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[17:03:38] <truepurpl> Following instructions here www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go7CBYWosLc, but I got stuck on, there is no digital signatures tab and email to go off of for ISO.
[17:03:56] <badbodh> if you got CSD, there's a button on top right, if not the option should be on menus
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[17:04:02] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: i noticed gnome system manager gives a different percentage then other task managers... I assume its a setting i can change... As i know that many of those programs were using more than 0 percent cpu
[17:04:07] <truepurpl> Well I had to stop yesterday and do other things, but trying again now
[17:05:09] <physkets> okay, so what you have to do is import the manjaro signatures
[17:05:30] <truepurpl> So what email or what not should I use to get the digital signature as the video says? What is Manjaros official email used to register its signature
[17:05:34] <truepurpl> yes
[17:05:52] <physkets> download the signature file; the link is in the website...
[17:06:05] <physkets> and then there must be an import option in Kleopatra
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[17:06:36] <physkets> use it an choose the downloaded file
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[17:07:21] <badbodh> manjaro-web|6145, just leave system monitor open and sorted by cpu%, and make sure it shows root process too.
[17:09:01] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: ah okay.
[17:09:54] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: gnome system monitor and cinnamon use up to 10% cpu... Could i be the nvidia driver? Or a depency? I saw that mentioned... But i've already installed the latest nvidia driver as the older one i had wasn't working as well...
[17:10:17] <badbodh> manjaro-web|6145, if that were the case Xorg process should be eating up cpu.
[17:10:34] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: kernel? headers?
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[17:10:56] <badbodh> headers are for compiling stuff on a given kernel
[17:11:12] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: ah okay... when installing the nvidia driver i had to install the headers
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[17:11:19] <badbodh> pastebin "inxi -Fxzc0" output
[17:11:33] <physkets> !pastebin
[17:11:33] <Botergos> Please use a pastebin service for large files. Common pastebins include http://hastebin.com/, http://ptpb.pw/, http://pastebin.com/
[17:11:51] <PMunch> Hmm, I'm struggling with running Kerbal Space Program at a decent framerate. Haven't played it in a while but last I played everything was running smoothly
[17:12:13] <PMunch> Not the FPS is tanked but the CPU seems to barely be working..
[17:12:16] <badbodh> kek, i /ignored the bot. smeagol hates nasty botses
[17:12:20] <PMunch> s/Not/Now
[17:12:44] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: http://pastebin.com/PxwGc4Tx
[17:12:45] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/EATbsj] [Bash] inxi -Fxzc0 - Pastebin.com
[17:13:10] <physkets> PMunch: what do you mean the CPU's barely working?
[17:13:16] <PMunch> Yes
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[17:13:21] <PMunch> It's chilling at 5%
[17:13:22] <badbodh> manjaro-web|6145, how did you install the nvidia drivers ? command, package names gimme those.
[17:13:29] <physkets> badbodh: ha ha
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[17:14:17] <physkets> PMunch: you mean while you're playing?
[17:14:19] <badbodh> PMunch, do you have a problem with your CPU chilling ? you are a cruel person. YOU should learn to chill with it :P
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[17:14:34] <badbodh> also, your gpu is bottle-necking
[17:15:02] <PMunch> But that makes no sense. The game ran fine before and AFAIK nothing much has changed on the GPU side of things..
[17:15:08] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: orignally i used the manjaro command like tool mhwd ... but it wasn't really working... so i manually installed the drivers from pacman i belive... including the linux 49 kernel headers
[17:15:16] <PMunch> And it's not really a GPU bound game
[17:15:33] <badbodh> manjaro-web|6145, don;t believe! gimme package names :/
[17:15:57] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: the cinnamon community distribution of manjaro didn't work... it crashed to a black desktop and nothing worked really... so i went with the xfce one and attempted to install cinnamon on the side... And it worked... Though i still have these small issues...
[17:16:15] <badbodh> hmm
[17:16:16] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: i dont know the command to get driver and kernel names
[17:16:28] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh:  i assume mhwd -u?
[17:17:00] <PMunch> Okay, I nulled out my graphics settings. Let's see if this works
[17:17:10] <badbodh> " so i manually installed the drivers from pacman i belive... including the linux 49 kernel headers" <----- just check your bash history and see what you ran
[17:17:30] <PMunch> Hmm, so that seems to actually be the problem..
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[17:18:28] <badbodh> you said "pacman" and "manually", so you gotta know package names that you installed
[17:18:53] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: http://pastebin.com/FYKXFuYx
[17:18:55] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/1hiVIG] startx  clear  sudo mhwd -a pci nonfree 0300   a   startx  clear  sudo mhwd -a p - Pastebin.com
[17:18:55] <badbodh> PMunch, you overestimated your weak graphics card ? it happens :) no biggy
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[17:19:15] <badbodh> manjaro-web|6145, got it. lemme see
[17:19:16] <PMunch> I'm just confused as to why it wasn't a problem before..
[17:20:11] <badbodh> physkets, PMunch i don;t have a fancy arse graphics card. check this http://pastebin.com/FYKXFuYx and see if he did it right
[17:20:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/1hiVIG] startx  clear  sudo mhwd -a pci nonfree 0300   a   startx  clear  sudo mhwd -a p - Pastebin.com
[17:20:24] <badbodh> that's the bash history
[17:20:44] <badbodh> http://pastebin.com/PxwGc4Tx is inxi -Fx
[17:20:44] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/EATbsj] [Bash] inxi -Fxzc0 - Pastebin.com
[17:20:53] <truepurpl> It seems the sig file isnt even seen by kle, but when i took this page raw.githubusercontent.com/manjaro/packages-core/master/manjaro-keyring/manjaro.gpg and turned it into a file named manjaro.gpg by pasting the text into a notepade and renaming the notepade, it gives me many certificates, which one should I use?
[17:21:17] <PMunch> Hmm, I don't really have an Nvidia card and haven't had one for ages..
[17:21:33] <truepurpl> also, does manjaro not have a official email used for sig creation? Or do you just not know it?\
[17:21:45] <truepurpl> physkets
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[17:22:52] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh:  i used ubuntu based distros for 2 years... so i copied alot of the commands for the graphics because i didn't know them... so i jumped all over the place
[17:23:17] <badbodh> did you read the manjaro wiki and archwiki ?
[17:23:45] <badbodh> things are done wee bit different. don;t bring your ubuntu experience into this. gotta re-learn a few things
[17:23:48] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: yeah
[17:23:58] * badbodh has used linuxmint since 2007-8
[17:24:31] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: 300 package updates after install killed me...
[17:24:44] <badbodh> i see "sudo mhwd-kernel" , gotta add -li for listing installed, -l for listing available and -i to install.
[17:25:23] <badbodh> then comes the switching between nuvoeu and non-free. so kinda hard to keep track
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[17:26:21] <badbodh> tell you what, if you got the standard Xfce edition, do a fresh install and come here. let's install driver cleanly (if needed, usually that's automatic) and figure out stuff one by one
[17:26:25] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: i think i have both still... because steam required the non-free and free ones to finnally work
[17:26:36] <badbodh> hmm
[17:27:09] <badbodh> gimme "mhwd -li" pastebin
[17:27:24] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: i would prefer to do core install... but i guess that means i wouldn't have access the to irc
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[17:27:58] <badbodh> net-install ? you'll need weechat,finch or irssi
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[17:28:29] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: http://pastebin.com/ZppGPZeR
[17:28:30] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/i0np02] [brian@brian-pc ~]$ mhwd -li  > Installed PCI configs:  ------------------------ - Pastebin.com
[17:28:38] <badbodh> but do the xfce install for now. don;t jump to "core" "minimal" or whatever
[17:28:41] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: but those require a graphical interface?
[17:28:59] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: alright
[17:29:08] <physkets> truepurpl: I don't know...
[17:29:29] <manjaro-web|6145> badbodh: got to backup a few files i edited real quick
[17:29:29] <deadjaro> I had no luck reconfigure the fstab. I think Windows crashed the NVRAM as there's no entry for manjaro anymore
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[17:30:59] <badbodh> i don;t use steam, nor have a graphics card so kinda limited here. And before you start a thread in forum, let's work out the basics so you present a nice "essay" :P
[17:31:31] <badbodh> i see you;re on non-free driver, switch to nuvoe driver for a moment and reboot
[17:31:40] <badbodh> have you read articles on mhwd on wiki ?
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[17:32:04] <mtn_> deadjaro: what happens when you try to boot?
[17:33:05] <deadjaro> mtn_: well, nothing. I have different drives, 1 drive for windows, another for manjaro. If I try to boot on manjaro, it won't tho
[17:33:15] <deadjaro> It boots windows instead
[17:33:25] <mtn_> deadjaro: do you get a grub menu or....?
[17:33:35] <physkets> badbodh: PMunch the GTX 745 is a pretty good card
[17:33:45] <deadjaro> mtn_: No, it skips the manjaro drive
[17:34:02] <mtn_> deadjaro: what bootloader does it use?
[17:34:29] <badbodh> physkets, could be his gpu is glitching. could be his desktop is assembled, and shitty
[17:34:34] <mtn_> deadjaro: is this legacy or efi boot?
[17:34:38] <deadjaro> mtn_: efi
[17:34:39] <physkets> truepurpl: so import the file: 'manjaro.gpg'
[17:34:48] <badbodh> specs don;t mean nothing if parts ain't put together pretty.
[17:34:55] <mtn_> deadjaro: have you tried repairing grub?
[17:35:01] <physkets> badbodh: that is possible...
[17:35:09] <deadjaro> mtn_: not yet
[17:35:25] <mtn_> deadjaro: well, if it won't boot, that is the first thing you do.
[17:35:35] <PMunch> physkets, I wouldn't know :P
[17:35:39] <mtn_> deadjaro: working on fstab won't help
[17:35:42] <physkets> :)
[17:35:55] <PMunch> I'm running an old Radeon HD 6950
[17:36:34] <deadjaro> mtn_: ok..
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[17:37:58] <badbodh> physkets, but you didn;t notice my poetry. i'm hurt
[17:38:12] <badbodh> shitty, pretty ?
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[17:38:29] <physkets> badbodh: what poetry? where?
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[17:39:10] <badbodh> "could be his gpu is glitching. could be his desktop is assembled, and shitty | specs don;t mean nothing if parts ain't put together pretty"
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[17:39:45] <badbodh> c'mon! /o\
[17:40:23] <physkets> ah! you'd be a great (w)rapper
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[17:40:43] <physkets> :p
[17:46:19] <truepurpl> What is manjaros official email address for identification certifying?
[17:46:39] <mtn_> too funny
[17:47:09] <badbodh> what is phil's email address ?
[17:47:17] <badbodh> should be somewhere on the website
[17:47:20] <truepurpl> physkets, I tried importing the self made gpg file and choosing one of the certificates, but it didnt certify
[17:47:48] <truepurpl> and it would be phils email that would have been used?
[17:47:55] <physkets> what do you mean by 'choosing one of the certificates'?
[17:48:11] <physkets> Import them all
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[17:50:03] <truepurpl> again, copy pasting raw.githubusercontent.com/manjaro/packages-core/master/manjaro-keyring/manjaro.gpg into a notepad file and renaming it manjaro.gpg imports many certificates. I can only choose one for verifying. I choice the top one, it didnt verify
[17:50:27] <truepurpl> I am not even sure any of those certificates are correct for what I am trying to do
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[17:51:02] <physkets> let me see what I get when I import
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[17:51:42] <truepurpl> also, the youtube video says to verify the sig file, but that isnt the same as verifying the ISO, right? So how is that a legit verification
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[17:57:30] <physkets> truepurpl: true, I am not sure...  I think that is what is called a detached signature. But I don't know how it constitutes a verification against tampering.
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[18:00:43] <physkets> truepurpl: https://superuser.com/questions/822861/how-are-detached-signatures-used-to-verify-a-files-integrity-and-authenticity
[18:00:45] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/oriuGU] gnupg - How are detached signatures used to verify a file's integrity and authenticity? - Super User
[18:01:09] <physkets> Just have the iso and sig in the same folder while verifying
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[18:03:13] <truepurpl> so by having them in the same folder, it automatically checks both?
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[18:03:36] <physkets> looks like it
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[18:04:18] <truepurpl> I still need a certificate to compare against, again with the issues of many certificates from my self made one
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[18:04:35] <truepurpl> and having ran one of them, it didnt verify
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[18:04:53] <truepurpl> I am more inclined to think that I did it wrong rather than the ISO being wrong
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[18:06:24] <physkets> I don't understand this bit of your problem
[18:06:24] <Aberts10> badbodh: im back... (i logged in with a username because kiwi was bugging out)
[18:06:55] <Aberts10> badbodh: i reinstalled manjaro xfce... i restarted... and it has a black blinking cursor like i orginially had... i haven't gotten into the desktop at all
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[18:07:01] <Aberts10> badbodh: only the live media worked
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[18:07:29] <truepurpl> physkets, you don't understand the issue or my explanation?
[18:07:36] <physkets> truepurpl: walk me through what you're doing to verify.
[18:07:54] <truepurpl> I already did\
[18:08:13] <physkets> step-by-step
[18:08:20] <truepurpl> Using the youtube video, I get stuck at a lack of email to input\
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[18:08:30] <physkets> let me see
[18:09:22] <Aberts10> physkets: did badbodh say he'd be back? i reinstalled, as he wants to try installing the drivers clean and fresh...
[18:09:26] <truepurpl> so I made my own pgp file using the mysterious unexplained page at the bottom of the manjaro download page. Which imports multiple certificates
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[18:09:56] <truepurpl> I choose the top one, it didnt verify using the instructions of the video
[18:11:09] <truepurpl> also, my PC is acting really slow for some reason despite there being plenty of available ram and CPU so everything I do is slowed down
[18:11:25] <physkets> Aberts10: no idea; wait, I guess..
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[18:12:22] <physkets> truepurpl: can you tell me the time in the video that has the step where you're getting stuck
[18:13:27] <truepurpl> lack of email? OK one sec
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[18:16:44] <truepurpl> roughly 10:17
[18:16:59] <truepurpl> physkets
[18:17:17] <deadjaro> mtn_: I try to reinstall grub but fail
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[18:17:33] <mtn_> deadjaro: how did you fail?
[18:18:26] <mtn_> Aberts10: have you tried booting with nomodeset?
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[18:18:50] <deadjaro> mtn_: when I peform the step > grub-install /dev/sdx it say cannot find EFI directory
[18:19:11] <mtn_> deadjaro: well, did you use sdx?
[18:19:23] <deadjaro> mtn_: no
[18:19:26] <Aberts10> mtn_: no? ill go look on the forums how
[18:19:34] <mtn_> deadjaro: ok what did you use?:
[18:19:35] <deadjaro> i set the parameter for the path
[18:19:35] <Mikkosssss> Hello. Anyone here using chromium flags? I am testing chromium --window-size=200,500
[18:19:36] <Mikkosssss> Hello. Anyone here using chromium flags? I am trying to get "chromium --window-size=200,500" work from terminal or launcher but it doesn,t do anything. I am using Xfce with compiz if that does something.
[18:19:50] <mtn_> Aberts10: just add nomodeset to the boot line in the grub menu
[18:20:13] <mtn_> deadjaro: and what was it? exactly? sda? or.....?
[18:20:38] <truepurpl> Is PGP and GPG the same thing?
[18:20:49] <Mikkosssss> Oh pasted enter to this so thought I lost my message and retyped.
[18:20:50] <truepurpl> PGP, GPG, and signature, all the same?
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[18:21:30] <Aberts10> mtn_: plymouth shows up in a ugly resolution... I suppose thats the purpose?
[18:21:41] <mtn_> deadjaro: which hard drive were you trying to install grub to?
[18:21:42] <Aberts10> mtn_: still a black screen with blinking cursor though
[18:21:56] <physkets> truepurpl: okay... but that is not what you have to do
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[18:21:59] <Aberts10> mtn_: i can switch ttyl though?
[18:22:15] <mtn_> Aberts10: ok, sorry. yes, see if you can switch
[18:22:56] <deadjaro> mtn_: the hard drive were manjaro has been installed
[18:22:56] <Aberts10> mtn_: yes i can... so it is a driver issue?
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[18:23:16] <mtn_> deadjaro: uh, what is the name of that hard drive? sda? or...............
[18:23:30] <mtn_> Aberts10: I think so. you can use the command line to install your driver
[18:23:37] <physkets> truepurpl: Do you have the manjaro.gpg file? Just import it using Kleopatra like this: File > ImportCertificates
[18:23:48] <deadjaro> mtn_: sdb2
[18:23:52] <Aberts10> mtn_: badbodh told me to reinstall to start fresh with my driver install... i was having issues...
[18:24:03] <Aberts10> mtn_: i had the latest kernel and nvidia driver
[18:24:10] <mtn_> deadjaro: is sdb2 an efi partition?
[18:24:42] <truepurpl> physkets Again, only the self made one from the download page pasting into a notepade and renaming. And again, I get many certificates, I used one of them and it didnt verify the ISO
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[18:24:49] <mtn_> deadjaro: and, I don't think you should use sdb2,it would just be sdb
[18:25:14] <deadjaro> mtn_: http://pastebin.com/dxVkp1hF
[18:25:15] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/4pboRk] Device         Start       End   Sectors   Size Type  /dev/sdb1       4097    61 - Pastebin.com
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[18:25:18] <Aberts10> What is the device descriptor error read/64 about? i get that on all my distributions?
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[18:25:37] <Aberts10> It doesn't seem to affect anything... Just slows down boot time?
[18:25:45] <mtn_> deadjaro: right, sdb2 is the wrong partition. it won't work that way
[18:26:21] <physkets> truepurpl: slow down...  walk me through wha tyou did after you made a text file called 'manjaro.gpg' that has everything from that link.
[18:26:40] <deadjaro> mtn_: grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[18:26:48] <mtn_> deadjaro: you need to follow the wiki more carefully and not try to install to the wrong place
[18:26:55] <deadjaro> mtn_: it doesnt matter whcih path I choose
[18:27:11] <mtn_> deadjaro: sure it does.
[18:27:25] <mtn_> deadjaro: which wiki are you following?
[18:27:37] <Aberts10> mtn_: on doing "sudo halt" in the other terminal... i see the manjaro logo, and i can only shutdown my machine with a hard-shutdown? ... Igh, Manjaro is just not in favor.
[18:27:51] <truepurpl> physkets, It creates multpiple certificates, I follow the instructions fron the youtube video on the top certificate, it doesnt verify. I don't understand what you are asking
[18:27:53] <deadjaro> mtn_: its a german wiki
[18:28:15] <mtn_> deadjaro: give me the link anyway, so I can at least try to see what you are trying to do
[18:28:26] <truepurpl> physkets, you mean you want me to put in words here what is said in the youtube video?
[18:28:36] <deadjaro> mtn_: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB_2/Reparatur/
[18:28:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/9lF5hv] Reparatur › GRUB 2 › Wiki › ubuntuusers.de
[18:28:39] <badbodh> Aberts10, yep .i'm alive
[18:28:52] <badbodh> how we doin
[18:29:02] <Aberts10> badbodh: igh... manjaro is annoying me...
[18:29:05] <deadjaro> mtn_: look at chroot-Methode
[18:29:21] <Aberts10> badbodh: i've looked at almost 20 forum posts in the last few minutes...
[18:29:24] <mtn_> deadjaro: ok, do not use ubuntu wikis for manjaro. use the manjaro or arch wiki and make sure you use the one for efi booting, not mbr
[18:29:46] <Aberts10> badbodh: i fresh installed.... live media worked fine... but black screen after rebooting...
[18:29:58] <badbodh> hmm. can you get to tty shells ?
[18:30:18] <Aberts10> badbodh: pressing ctrl + alt + f2 i can access a tty shell... but i do "sudo halt" and it hangs on a manjaro logo without going further
[18:30:56] <Aberts10> badbodh: and im also getting the device descriptor error like all of my debian distrobutions.... (which isn't a big thing honestly... i'd rather take care of that later)
[18:30:59] <badbodh> don't halt, let it do its thing. how are you connected to irc now ?
[18:31:12] <physkets> truepurpl: yes, because there he's done too many different things...
[18:31:13] <Aberts10> badbodh: a ubuntu 16.10 laptop on kiwi
[18:31:40] <Aberts10> badbodh: the computer is grub editor... "setparams 'manjaro linux'
[18:31:58] <physkets> truepurpl: one by one. whats the first thing you did with the 'manjaro.gpg' file?
[18:31:59] <badbodh> wut?
[18:32:21] <badbodh> Aberts10, using ubuntu on laptop, and manjaro is installed on another machine right ?
[18:32:25] <Aberts10> badbodh: yes
[18:32:40] <badbodh> that machine got internet /
[18:32:42] <badbodh> ?
[18:32:43] <truepurpl> physkets "import certificate"
[18:32:58] <Aberts10> badbodh: yes it does, but the last time i had to install erthenet drivers, and only wifi works
[18:33:13] <Aberts10> badbodh: like i said... manjaro has got me running around the ring...
[18:33:40] <deadjaro> mtn_: Its a little more complexe as its luks encrypted and I am super confused right now
[18:33:43] <Aberts10> badbodh: i have had only one of these problems running ubuntu... so i belive its all driver related
[18:33:50] <badbodh> i understand. but can't fix stuff without troubleshooting, right now just trying to understand your current setup before trying stuff
[18:34:04] <physkets> truepurpl: okay, and you pointed that to manjaro,gpg?
[18:34:11] <mtn_> deadjaro: encrytion has nothing to do with grub, unless you were crazy and encrypted your /efi partition
[18:34:14] <badbodh> now switch to tty shell and install "wgetpaste"
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[18:34:32] <badbodh> Aberts10, "sudo pacman -S wgetpaste"
[18:34:36] <physkets> truepurpl: did it pull in all the PGP keys?
[18:34:49] <mtn_> deadjaro: the command you were running would probably work if you only used sdb, not sdb and a number
[18:35:00] <truepurpl> physkets the one I made myself that I dont even know if any of its certificates even apply to the ISO I downloaded, yes
[18:35:16] <physkets> okay
[18:35:19] <deadjaro> mtn_: nope, like I told you
[18:35:33] <mtn_> deadjaro: you didn't say you tried sdb
[18:35:58] <deadjaro> mtn_: Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[18:35:58] <deadjaro> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[18:36:03] <physkets> truepurpl: now, when you go to File>Verify and choose the .sig file, what do you see?
[18:36:13] <mtn_> deadjaro: ok, go try the manjaro or arch wiki and start over
[18:36:23] <deadjaro> mtn_: thats what I meant about it doesnt matter which one i select to install grub again
[18:36:38] <Aberts10> badbodh: okay... its connected and installed wget appearently... so erthenet is working then... odd
[18:37:09] <Aberts10> badbodh: alright... what next?
[18:37:12] <badbodh> Aberts10, wgetpaste :) not wget
[18:37:16] <truepurpl> physkets, first I have to choose a certificate from the 12 or so on the list, I choose the first one. After a time it tells me unable to verify
[18:37:17] <badbodh> it's a pastebin script
[18:37:21] <Aberts10> badbodh: yep
[18:37:44] <badbodh> okay gimme "mhwd -li |wgetpaste -s gists"
[18:38:04] <badbodh> take your time copying the url. no hurry
[18:39:09] <physkets> truepurpl: It asks you to choose a key when you do a File > Decrypt/Verify Files ?
[18:39:29] <Aberts10> https://gist.github.com/432a1be2711cb10facef069dbdafb601
[18:39:32] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/0rg49r] stdin · GitHub
[18:39:52] <Aberts10> badbodh: there it is
[18:41:12] <badbodh> Aberts10, gimme "dmesg|wgetpaste -s gists"
[18:43:57] <Aberts10> badbodh: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/449ce01d3ac2b7b61b129bcdf938d661
[18:44:00] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/0SedD0] stdin · GitHub
[18:45:21] <badbodh> Aberts10, this will take a while.
[18:45:52] <truepurpl> physkets hold on, trying a second time, but it's very slow
[18:46:38] <deadjaro> mtn_: Ok, I use this one https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Restore_the_GRUB_Bootloader
[18:46:39] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/6lIg49] Restore the GRUB Bootloader - Manjaro Linux
[18:47:36] <deadjaro> mtn_: after installing mhwd-chroot and starting it by mhwd-chroot-shell > No linux system found !
[18:47:39] <deadjaro> mtn_: wtf.
[18:47:59] <badbodh> Aberts10, none of your tty shells have GUI ?
[18:48:08] <Aberts10> badbodh: nope
[18:48:10] <badbodh> on lightdm it's tty7 usually
[18:48:29] <Aberts10> badbodh: blinking cursor on f7
[18:49:10] <badbodh> ok, run "systemctl status lightdm |wgetpaste -s gists"
[18:49:27] <mtn_> deadjaro: you can try the manual method, explained below
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[18:52:58] <Aberts10> badbodh: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/80a1b83bdd6c7d128df20fa61d54ebaa
[18:53:00] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/vzagvc] stdin · GitHub
[18:53:24] <badbodh> ok, run "systemctl status lightdm-plymouth |wgetpaste -s gists"
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[18:53:57] <truepurpl> physkets It says "not enough information to check signature validity"
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[18:55:22] <physkets> truepurpl: okay, that maybe because you haven't signed the imported keys with your private key.
[18:55:36] <Aberts10> badbodh: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/586e4391a9f642fae24d6da4b447aa6c
[18:55:38] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/rpRftm] stdin · GitHub
[18:55:50] <physkets> truepurpl: Did you generate a key-pair?
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[19:00:23] <badbodh> Aberts10, "systemctl list-units |grep lightdm"
[19:00:24] <truepurpl> physkets I don't know what that is. BTW, does PGP, GPG, and signature, all mean the same thing?
[19:00:54] <badbodh> Aberts10, it should list only one out of lightdm or lightdm-plymouth service
[19:01:09] <badbodh> you see both, disable any one. then we move on
[19:02:27] <Aberts10> badbodh: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8a3de33d91459b1720d0c9646c5b1bbe
[19:02:29] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/6j5D2z] stdin · GitHub
[19:03:06] <truepurpl> physkets, oh right the certifying all the certificates, I think I did that for one, but maybe do that for all of them?
[19:03:09] <badbodh> Aberts10, now "cat /etc/default/grub |wgetpaste -s gists
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[19:03:52] <deadjaro> mtn_: I give up. Too stupid for linux.
[19:03:56] <physkets> truepurpl:  PGP is the protocol. GPG in an implementation of the protocol.
[19:04:16] <Aberts10> badbodh: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/65a21891b1c53fa227f7da8c1605c30c
[19:04:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/SB377A] stdin · GitHub
[19:04:19] <mtn_> deadjaro: that is too bad. linux is quite easy if you don't break it
[19:04:43] <physkets> truepurpl: okay, if you signed all the imported keys with your key, then you should be able to verify the .sig file.
[19:05:06] <Aberts10> badbodh: i need to learn how to disable that annoying motherboard beep
[19:05:18] <Aberts10> badbodh: its gonna drive me mad.
[19:05:18] <truepurpl> physkets, but it also wants me to compare keys, I can't seem to do that for one of them, much less all of them
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[19:05:44] <deadjaro> mtn_: I cant help it. Even thought, efi was reconfigured. it wont boot the system
[19:06:00] <badbodh> Aberts10, use earplugs
[19:06:04] <mtn_> deadjaro: it never would boot? your install did not work?
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[19:07:38] <badbodh> Aberts10, gimme a wee bit time to brush up on arch wiki about nvidia. be right back
[19:08:07] <deadjaro> mtn_: the system runs since yesterday without any problems. Then I just connected another hard drive too save data from another OS, restarted the computer, windows boots instead of manjaro. It just died and never came back.
[19:08:24] <mtn_> deadjaro: oh. remove the second drive. will it boot now?
[19:08:49] <mtn_> deadjaro: this is just a simple user error, nothing to do with linux being "hard"
[19:08:57] <physkets> truepurpl: compare keys?
[19:09:05] <deadjaro> mtn_: I tried almost everything, next step will be burn the computer down
[19:09:13] <mtn_> deadjaro: ok. have fun
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[19:09:44] <deadjaro> mtn_: no one can tell me how to fix it properly
[19:09:55] <mtn_> deadjaro: oh. remove the second drive. will it boot now?
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[19:10:02] <mtn_> deadjaro: yes or no?
[19:10:06] <deadjaro> mtn_: no.
[19:10:20] <badbodh> mtn_, you good with nvidia drivers ?
[19:10:34] <mtn_> deadjaro: then you did more than add extra drive. what else did you do? change bios settings?
[19:10:40] <mtn_> badbodh: sorry, no
[19:10:43] <Aberts10> Ah, I've figured out the perfect solution. #1, Pick up your computer, #2 Open a window, #3 Chuck it out the window
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[19:10:49] <truepurpl> physkets 15:35 or so of video
[19:10:54] <deadjaro> mtn_: I dont wanna annoy you. I will do it step by step no
[19:11:00] <deadjaro> now
[19:11:37] <badbodh> Aberts10, i was gonna go with #3 shove it up your.... but gotta have hope. welcome to the world of archlinux, time to go hardcore.
[19:12:05] <mtn_> badbodh: this ain't arch
[19:12:12] <badbodh> Aberts10, "sudo disable lightdm-plymouth" and reboot. this time you gonna get tty login, no GUI. just login with user/pass as usual
[19:12:46] <badbodh> mtn_, and trump ain;t a president. let's skip the nitpicking *_*
[19:12:59] <Aberts10> badbodh: "disable" command not found
[19:13:06] <mtn_> badbodh: that is way more than nitpicking :P
[19:13:07] <badbodh> oops
[19:13:15] <badbodh> systemctl disable :P
[19:13:38] <Aberts10> badbodh: removed.... reboot time.
[19:13:41] <deadjaro> deadjaro: to clarify > hard drive 1 ubuntu, hard drive 2 windows, hard drive 3 manjaro. After copying the data from the ubuntu drive, I disconnected the drive and connected manjaro again. I reboot the pc and windows started instead of manjaro - i didnt changed anything within bios. windows tells me something about a crash, I just select to boot the
[19:13:41] <deadjaro>  system, since then, I never could boot the manjaro drive
[19:13:43] <badbodh> sudo systemctl disable lightdm-plymouth
[19:14:01] <badbodh> okay. see what happens when you talk about he-who-must-not-be-named
[19:14:01] <Aberts10> badbodh: sudo reboot okay?
[19:14:03] <deadjaro> oh man.. Im done.
[19:14:09] <badbodh> Aberts10, just reboot is fine
[19:14:22] <mtn_> deadjaro: you copied data from ubuntu and put it where?
[19:14:26] <badbodh> without the just.
[19:14:33] <deadjaro> mtn_: to a local samba share
[19:14:47] <mtn_> deadjaro: where? on you manjaro drive?
[19:14:58] <deadjaro> mtn_: no, an extra server
[19:15:10] <Aberts10> badbodh: im not that much of a beginner :P
[19:15:37] <Aberts10> badbodh: :) its booted up just fine
[19:15:43] <mtn_> deadjaro: well, something is missing from your story. adding and removing drives does not change booting in any way. doesn't change any files on the computer. so, what else did you do?
[19:15:44] <Aberts10> badbodh: now i suppose its nvidia time?
[19:15:51] <badbodh> that's what she said. then i called her a slut, and she kicked me out.
[19:16:05] <badbodh> Aberts10, you logged into tty7 ?
[19:16:13] <Aberts10> badbodh: "the way its meant to be played" :D
[19:16:26] <Aberts10> badbodh: no. tty1
[19:16:32] <deadjaro> mtn_: I manually added those samba share to manjaros fstab yesterday. but I was pretty sure it runs after reboot
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[19:16:54] <Aberts10> badbodh: tty7 isn't even working anymore?
[19:17:04] <Aberts10> badbodh: its tty1-6
[19:17:09] <deadjaro> mtn_: Also, I deleted it. btw I know its stupid doing it manually
[19:17:09] <badbodh> Aberts10, logged in as user. not "root" ?
[19:17:16] <Aberts10> badbodh: yes
[19:17:24] <mtn_> deadjaro: your problem is with grub, so fstab never comes into play. how did you mess up grub? I think you did something to the efi partition or made a change to the bios. boot order, perhaps
[19:17:32] <badbodh> run "startxfce4"
[19:18:03] <mtn_> deadjaro: maybe your boot order changed when you changed hard drives? look in the bios
[19:18:21] <badbodh> Aberts10, lemme know what happens. any error etc, or UI
[19:18:53] <physkets> truepurpl: oh, you mean comparing fingerprints? That is required only if you pull the keys from a keyserver. Here you downloaded the full keys.
[19:18:56] <Aberts10> badbodh: "Starting X server" ... at the bottom "Fatal server error" "(EE) No screens found (EE)" "(EE) Please consult the X.Org foundation support" "(EE) Please also check the log file"
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[19:19:24] <Aberts10> badbodh: "(EE) Fatal, Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file"
[19:19:27] <badbodh> oh, then first "export DISPLAY=:0 && startxfce4"
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[19:19:51] <deadjaro> mtn_: I can directly select the manjaro drive to boot, it just wont let me boot. even though if I unplug all of the other drives
[19:20:40] <mtn_> deadjaro: then you probably messed with the efi partition on the manjaro drive. just need to fix it. again, this is user error, nothing else
[19:20:44] <deadjaro> mtn_: I was wondering that its not marked as uefi tho
[19:20:46] <Aberts10> badbodh: "xrdb: Connection refused" "xrdb: Can't open display ':0'"
[19:21:05] <badbodh> try :0.0 instead
[19:21:07] <Aberts10> badbodh: "xfce4-session: Cannot open display: ."
[19:21:18] <manjaroDeepinman> Hello. My name is gunther Mueller. I am running Manjaro Deepin for the fist time. How do I change the screen resolution? I am running out of ideas.
[19:21:22] <deadjaro> mtn_: I absolutely know its a layer 8 issue
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[19:21:45] <Aberts10> badbodh: i did "export DISPLAY=:0.0 && startxfce4... Same error
[19:22:10] <Aberts10> badbodh: (the quotation mark wasn't included... just forgot to close the quote)
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[19:22:49] <badbodh> Aberts10, "cat ~/.xinitrc" <---- it shows anything ?
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[19:24:23] <Aberts10> badbodh: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/43f8828dcfecd22ad22b2cb9f1a246fd
[19:24:24] <superbia> [red]claw: y u there?
[19:24:25] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/GZ3AaF] stdin · GitHub
[19:24:58] <badbodh> Aberts10, can you use nano ?
[19:25:11] <Aberts10> badbodh: yeah nano works
[19:25:44] <Aberts10> badbodh: all terminal colors and ascii charaters work... anything graphical does not
[19:25:50] <badbodh> Aberts10, open .xinitrc file, go to last line and comment out "#exec $(get_session)"
[19:26:07] <Aberts10> badbodh: alright... at least i have a backup
[19:26:31] <badbodh> below it add "exec startxfce4" Then save, exit and reboot
[19:26:56] <Aberts10> badbodh: the xinitrc file no longer seems to be there? and i didn't do anything to it?
[19:27:08] <badbodh> .xinitrc , not xinitrc
[19:27:31] <badbodh> ~/.xinitrc , ~ basically means your home
[19:27:49] <Aberts10> badbodh: it added a extra . for some reason...
[19:27:54] <Aberts10> badbodh: to the bash history
[19:28:19] <badbodh> meh whatever. just write stuff on the right file.
[19:28:25] <badbodh> fuck bash history
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[19:29:00] <badbodh> you;re okay with swearing right? i tend to swear a little. i can cut that down if you're the evangelist type
[19:29:04] <Aberts10> badbodh: done
[19:29:33] <mtn_> badbodh: it does make you look very intelligent :P
[19:29:34] <Aberts10> badbodh: i dont care honestly
[19:29:39] <badbodh> Aberts10, one more thing. "sudo nano /etc/default/grub"
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[19:29:59] <Aberts10> badbodh: ah the file i was in earlier
[19:30:04] <Aberts10> badbodh: alright?
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[19:30:06] <badbodh> you see the word 'splash' any where, remove it
[19:31:05] <Aberts10> badbodh: i see a line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash resume=UUID=(really long id)""
[19:31:09] <rhg135> badbodh: ask after, good job ^-^
[19:31:27] <badbodh> grub_cmdline_linux="blah blah splash" <---- splash goes away. run "update-grub" for effect, that way you can see exactly where you're getting stuck
[19:32:07] <Aberts10> badbodh: done
[19:32:12] <Aberts10> badbodh: reboot?
[19:32:24] <badbodh> rhg135, you wipe your tushy after pooping. Not before *makes very deeply wise facial expression of philosophy*
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[19:32:51] <badbodh> Aberts10, yes. keep an eye on where you;re getting stuck, should be able to see all the booting steps now
[19:32:59] <H-H-H> hey guys what does manjaro xfce run like these days is it worth updating or am i going to find a shed load of bugss to fathom out?
[19:33:09] <Aberts10> badbodh: i just wipe my booty with a ram chip
[19:33:26] <Aberts10> badbodh: cleans the circuits, you know?
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[19:33:59] <Aberts10> badbodh: it didn't show anything... booted in like 5 seconds
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[19:34:14] <badbodh> you must be rich. i wipe mine with on grass lawns of my neighbours
[19:34:28] <Aberts10> badbodh: DDR4 is best
[19:34:48] <badbodh> still no UI ? okay, undo the changes you made on .xinitrc file, it's useless now
[19:35:08] <Aberts10> badbodh: that leaves one thing... driver?
[19:35:18] <badbodh> time to ditch nuovo
[19:35:27] <badbodh> aye aye
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[19:35:49] <Aberts10> badbodh: lol, after all this time... i coudlv'e told you that... Nouvo drivers bug out alot on nvidia cards
[19:35:58] <Aberts10> badbodh: i was wondering where you were going with this
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[19:36:44] <Aberts10> badbodh: i want my sexy boot "Manjaro" first... so im updating grub again
[19:36:49] <badbodh> just making sure giving up on nuvo is the right thing to do
[19:37:00] <badbodh> okay
[19:37:07] <Aberts10> badbodh: i keep nouvo for steam though
[19:37:20] <Aberts10> badbodh: steam uses both in my experiences
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[19:37:58] <badbodh> hmm. dunno about steam, sorry. now we play with mhwd.
[19:38:08] <Aberts10> badbodh: fun toy
[19:38:26] <badbodh> first run "sudo pacman -Syu" because gotta stay up to date before fetching new kernel
[19:38:37] <Aberts10> badbodh: yay, my sexy manjaro beast is back
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[19:39:16] <Aberts10> badbodh: that will be about 327 packages and take about 25 minutes
[19:39:24] <Aberts10> badbodh: not looking forward to that...
[19:39:56] <badbodh> but... gotta. this is the thumb rule. wanna fix stuff, -Syu first, ask later
[19:40:03] <badbodh> this is the "arch way" :D
[19:40:19] <Aberts10> badbodh: a few conflicting packages
[19:40:34] <Aberts10> badbodh: about xf86-input
[19:40:34] <badbodh> whoa. tell me the names, hope not too many
[19:40:49] <Aberts10> badbodh: extra/fuse2
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[19:41:00] <Aberts10> badbodh: xf86-input-acecad
[19:41:10] <Aberts10> badbodh: xf86-input-joystick
[19:41:11] <badbodh> oh, must be those replacement ones. it will ask you to replace package foo with foo2 , just 'Y' and continue
[19:41:32] <Aberts10> badbodh: 331 packages... I hate arch :P
[19:41:48] <badbodh> arch is even worse, here you get condensed updates.
[19:41:53] <Aberts10> badbodh: its a love/hate... i love the rolling release... but hate the 300 package updates :P
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[19:42:06] <badbodh> 331 packages twice a month better than 331 every day
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[19:42:26] <Aberts10> badbodh: no thanks... ill update each day 10-15...
[19:42:48] <badbodh> go use arch-testing branch :/
[19:43:12] <Aberts10> badbodh: i was thinking of doing that actually
[19:43:17] <Aberts10> badbodh: im a fan of bleeding edge
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[19:43:44] <Aberts10> badbodh: always got PPAs on ubuntu to get beta software and drivers... And used Xanmod 4.9 and the latest nvidia driver
[19:44:07] <badbodh> speaking of "bleeding", i got this 15 minute video i gotta watch. see you soon, or sooner if i'm done
[19:44:14] <Aberts10> badbodh: okay
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[19:45:20] <Aberts10> I heard on the forums that theres no point in using a kernel like Xanmod on manjaro, because most of the same improvements are already added to the custom manjaro kernel?
[19:45:27] <rhg135> Arch test will make you literally bleed
[19:45:33] <Aberts10> rhg135: lol
[19:45:55] <Aberts10> rhg135: people said they never had a serious issue with that? I felt like they were bluffing a bit
[19:46:19] <rhg135> It's all good till it's not
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[19:46:35] <rhg135> It just takes bad timing
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[19:47:47] <badbodh> Aberts10, you seen this ? https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Configure_NVIDIA_(non-free)_settings_and_load_them_on_Startup
[19:47:48] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/uYzxNt] Configure NVIDIA (non-free) settings and load them on Startup - Manjaro Linux
[19:48:34] <badbodh> yes, i'm done within 4 minutes. Don;t judge :/
[19:50:09] <rhg135> I run Manjaro testing and already I've had breakage. Can't imagine arch testing these days
[19:50:18] <Aberts10> badbodh: yup, this is the first command i did: "sudo mhwd -a pci nonfree 0300" and it brought along with it a buggy nvidia driver... either that or the nouvea driver was still active and the nvidia one wasn't loading... But X did start... So im not sure
[19:50:57] <Aberts10> badbodh: i only say that because when i used the graphical manager it showed that the nvidia one wasn't active... the free one was... it still makes no sense to me how just installing the nvidia one wouldv'e solved it
[19:51:35] <H-H-H> it would reset the symlinks
[19:51:42] <badbodh> Aberts10, just installing ain;t everything. read that link, does another stuff. gotta make sure nuvo is out of the way completely
[19:52:03] <Aberts10> badbodh: after i saw that, i installed a newer nvidia driver, as i noticed some low fps in comparison to ubuntu... and then everthing seemed fine... except for some issues.... and libreoffice locking up everything but the mouse
[19:52:34] <badbodh> libreoffice-fresh or -still ?
[19:52:39] <Aberts10> badbodh: fresh
[19:52:42] <Aberts10> badbodh:  i think
[19:53:15] <badbodh> *in/is
[19:53:22] <Aberts10> badbodh: i wouldv'e gotten libreoffice 2.3 with the ribbon interface to try it out, and hope that i also sovled the issue... but i couldn't find it in manjaro or AUR repositories :(
[19:53:41] <Aberts10> badbodh: so i used snap... and then the GUI was flunking out... Igh...
[19:54:36] <badbodh> you installed office from that snappy shit ?
[19:54:41] <Aberts10> badbodh: i wouldv'e booted back into Linux Mint which i had on another parition... except after updating manjaro... it removed mint from grub... and i didn't bother getting it back... lol... it removed it at the perfect time
[19:55:09] <Aberts10> badbodh: i tried to get the latest one through it... but appearently snap doesn't play very well with arch
[19:55:27] <Aberts10> badbodh: you have to register its processes with systemctl
[19:55:32] <Aberts10> and then it bugs out :/
[19:55:42] <badbodh> arch is already bleeding edge. no point in snapping. Keeping it pure and rolling is the right way
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[19:56:16] <badbodh> ubuntu needs snap cuz it's repo gets frozen, barring critical sec updates or two
[19:56:36] <rhg135> Aberts10: the newer stuff is in the unstable branch
[19:56:52] <Jolt2bolt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbHa-pllnDU ENJOY!
[19:56:53] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/p7eTD1] House and Disco/Japanese House and Disco Mix - 卿Mittens - YouTube
[19:57:28] <rhg135> You can sometimes just grab a package
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[19:59:03] <Aberts10> rhg135: i tend to use the newest packages... but on ubuntu there was a blacklist tool i had, which only updated the libraries and packages that i installed from those repos
[19:59:23] <Aberts10> rhg135: i have a feeling theres no way to do that in arch... and i'd be floating on thin ice
[19:59:50] <rhg135> Yeah, it's iffy at best
[19:59:54] <H-H-H> you can ignore certain packages using pacman conf
[20:00:03] <rhg135> Partial upgrades I mean
[20:00:08] <Strit_Laptop> H-H-H: yes
[20:00:24] <H-H-H> hey Strit how goes it :)
[20:00:31] <Strit_Laptop> It's alright
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[20:01:11] <H-H-H> gd gd
[20:01:13] <Aberts10> I've also noticed that libreoffice has somewhat poor compatibility with microsoft docx... I know there are plenty of alternatives, but is there any ones that are actually better with .docx compatibility?
[20:01:31] <badbodh> howdy Strit_Laptop wut's cookin
[20:01:58] <Strit_Laptop> howdy to you too
[20:02:45] <badbodh> Aberts10, fix for that https://forum.manjaro.org/t/just-january-screenshots/14936/220?u=badbodh
[20:02:47] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/z4eTbE] Just January screenshots - Artwork - Manjaro
[20:02:51] <rhg135> Abiword was nice when I used GTK more
[20:03:09] <rhg135> But docx still is a pain
[20:03:31] <Strit_Laptop> Aberts10: I use libreoffice with docx windows formats. It's alright.
[20:04:22] <Strit_Laptop> Sure, it can't read the fancy formatting Microsoft puts in them
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[20:04:53] <rhg135> Tbh, Microsoft seems to change that on a whim
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[20:05:27] <Aberts10> Strit_Laptop: i send reports and writings to people who use office everyday... So it would be really nice that when they open office, things aren't lopsided or nowhere near where i put them
[20:06:01] <rhg135> Export as pdf
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[20:06:13] <Strit_Laptop> yep
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[20:06:33] <siapran> hi
[20:06:39] <Aberts10> I did find only office... and was using that for a while... but i wasn't quite sure if it was or wasn't reading/writing things better... I didn't get to use it long enough before i decided to jump to manjaro... I dont even know if its on the AUR
[20:06:55] <badbodh> Aberts10, lemme know when your updates done
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[20:07:15] <siapran> for some reason, updating my system broke the menda-circle icon theme
[20:07:23] <siapran> along with another batch of icon themes
[20:07:40] <rhg135> Rip fancy icons
[20:07:41] <Aberts10> badbodh: i think theres at least like 50-100 more updates
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[20:07:48] <siapran> reinstalling them didn't fix anything
[20:07:48] <crzyp3ck> hellopeople.
[20:07:50] <Aberts10> badbodh: it would be nice to have a progress bar like apt
[20:08:11] <H-H-H> Aberts10 there is in octopi
[20:08:18] <badbodh> it can do that, gotta edit pacman.conf but all that nerd stuff later.
[20:08:22] <Aberts10> H-H-H: never used that
[20:08:23] <crzyp3ck> I want to make a spin off manjaro (like what we have in community). for example JWM version.
[20:08:31] <crzyp3ck> What should I do?
[20:09:00] <rhg135> Manjaro-iso-tools
[20:09:07] <crzyp3ck> where should I START?
[20:09:22] <crzyp3ck> rhg135, thanks. could you give me a link too?
[20:09:22] <Strit_Laptop> crzyp3ck: read up on Manjaro Tools.
[20:09:41] <crzyp3ck> Strit_Laptop, manjaro-iso-tools?
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[20:09:44] <rhg135> I think there's one on the wiki
[20:09:58] <Strit_Laptop> crzyp3ck: it's called manjaro-tools-iso (the package).
[20:10:02] <rhg135> I hardly used it though
[20:10:23] <siapran> http://i.imgur.com/tkh4zwF.png
[20:10:25] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7DGLck] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[20:10:29] <rhg135> I do want to make an rhg135 edition
[20:10:35] <Aberts10> Muwhaha, Who wants the buggiest manjaro distro? Come and get it!
[20:11:05] <Aberts10> I made sure to take extra care to break *Everything*
[20:11:29] <siapran> anyone?
[20:11:35] <Strit_Laptop> manjaro-tools does not work for me right now.
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[20:12:07] <Aberts10> siapran: looks like a average xfce install... What about it?
[20:12:17] <siapran> the icon theme is broken
[20:12:35] <siapran> I tried reinstalling it, to no avail
[20:12:50] <Aberts10> siapran: did you pop the files into the themes folder?
[20:12:55] <siapran> and it's not the only one, so I guess there's something wrong with my system
[20:13:06] <siapran> I installed it from pacman like a sane person
[20:13:21] <Strit_Laptop> siapran: did you try the maia theme for xfce? Menda has not been updated in ages....
[20:13:21] <rhg135> It'll be like the kde one but without the cruft I don't use and preloaded with Katia, inkscape and GIMP and other tools I use
[20:13:27] <Aberts10> siapran: then that may be why... doing it by hand is easy and works better
[20:13:36] <Aberts10> siapran: just go to /usr/share/themes
[20:13:42] <Aberts10> make sure you run it as root.
[20:13:52] <Aberts10> and pop in the extracted theme folders
[20:14:40] <siapran> I thought the icons were independant from the GTK theme?
[20:14:47] <Aberts10> icon themes and mouse cursors go /usr/share/icons i belive... i usually just use cinnamon's built in tool, so i dont remember... but you can just switch them around if they dont work
[20:14:55] <Strit_Laptop> siapran: they need gtk to work so.
[20:14:58] <siapran> I tried that already
[20:15:43] <siapran> http://i.imgur.com/8oCQh1F.png
[20:15:44] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/dc0QOj] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[20:15:49] <siapran> and everything there is fine
[20:16:17] <Aberts10> siapran: did you try putting it in the themes folder?
[20:16:20] <siapran> it broke when I -Syu'd my system
[20:16:40] <siapran> Aberts10: what does an icon pack have to do with themes?
[20:17:14] <Aberts10> siapran: sometimes for me icon themes wouldn't show up unless i put them in the themes folder, no clue why
[20:17:19] <siapran> ok
[20:17:31] <Aberts10> siapran: but it sounds like something broke... And i dont really know what to say other than time to go through logs, and use the forums
[20:17:32] <siapran> it does show up though
[20:18:16] <Aberts10> siapran: i noticed though yellow icons next to the themes... does it say anything?
[20:18:26] <siapran> updating the icon cache
[20:18:30] <siapran> tried that already
[20:18:49] <siapran> and it does show up next to the icon theme I'm actually using
[20:18:54] <siapran> and it does not show up next to the icon theme I'm actually using
[20:19:06] <siapran> *
[20:19:23] <siapran> (forgot how to irc for a sec)
[20:19:46] <siapran> http://i.imgur.com/Mfj78b5.png
[20:19:47] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/QL9BDV] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[20:21:16] <rhg135> Did you try logging back in?
[20:21:21] <siapran> yes
[20:21:31] <rhg135> Hmm
[20:22:16] <Aberts10> siapran: broken package.
[20:22:23] <siapran> which one?
[20:22:25] <Aberts10> siapran: i found a old forum post from linuxquestions
[20:22:32] <siapran> link pls
[20:22:36] <Aberts10> siapran: i have no clue... So your going to have to do some digging
[20:22:42] <badbodh> siapran, run gtk-update-icon-cache thingy on their /path/to/folder
[20:22:54] <siapran> badbodh: I did that already
[20:22:54] <Aberts10> siapran: but the one mention says that it probably best not to wrack your brains
[20:23:00] <badbodh> don;t bother with that yellow box much. your icons should work just fine
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[20:23:25] <siapran> badbodh: the problem is that
[20:23:25] <siapran> http://i.imgur.com/tkh4zwF.png
[20:23:25] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7DGLck] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[20:23:29] <siapran> the wrong icons show up
[20:23:32] <siapran> wel
[20:23:34] <siapran> l
[20:23:43] <siapran> the fallback icons
[20:24:03] <siapran> when I select this theme, or the other two numix themes in the list
[20:24:10] <siapran> Faience works fine
[20:24:11] <Aberts10> check your system logs
[20:24:20] <badbodh> siapran, menda is long long dead.
[20:24:33] <siapran> it's working on my bf's desktop
[20:24:38] <siapran> and I updated it it yesterday
[20:24:41] <rhg135> Long live breath!
[20:24:41] <badbodh> not sure why they keep it in repos, maybe for "nostalgia"
[20:25:13] <siapran> and menda isn't the only one having problems
[20:25:16] <siapran> numix too
[20:25:27] <siapran> and Faience is much more dead that Menda
[20:25:29] <siapran> yet it works
[20:25:30] <badbodh> just do a quick check with "sudo pacman -Qk|grep warning" , checks for missing files
[20:25:36] <Aberts10> badbodh: the same can be said about xfce :P
[20:26:12] <badbodh> Aberts10, xfce is under active development. it evolves slowly, unlike gnome-shell with shits on your toothbrush every 6 months
[20:26:15] <siapran> wow the android sdk is broken af apparently
[20:26:53] <siapran> I'll paste it somewhere gimme a sec
[20:27:05] <Aberts10> badbodh: the copyrights for the plugins, and the documentation about those things are from 2009-10
[20:27:32] <rhg135> Gtk2 m8
[20:27:38] <badbodh> xfce 4.00 was released back in 2000, eat that :d
[20:27:47] <Aberts10> badbodh: lol
[20:27:54] <NanoSector> is it that old? yikes
[20:28:14] <siapran> mmmh
[20:28:26] <siapran> for some reason I can't redirect the output to a file?
[20:28:32] <badbodh> NanoSector, 2003 wikipedia says
[20:28:39] <NanoSector> still old
[20:28:45] <Aberts10> badbodh: i thought it was from like 98
[20:28:57] <Strit_Laptop> xfce has a new point release every other year.
[20:29:10] <siapran> anyway
[20:29:11] <siapran> https://hastebin.com/epucixuvib.log
[20:29:12] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/kbEJ3n] hastebin
[20:29:18] <badbodh> like i said. it evolves very slowly, but surely.
[20:29:25] <siapran> here's the output of `sudo pacman -Qk|grep warning`
[20:29:28] <rhg135> All equally outdated
[20:29:45] <Aberts10> badbodh: at least it works, and works well
[20:30:01] <badbodh> siapran, two of your packages are broken as fuck cuz they got missing files as fuck :D
[20:30:04] <siapran> I don't really care about xfce being updated, it's light, it's minimal and user-friendly enough
[20:30:21] <badbodh> nudget-cert, android-sdk <--- re install
[20:30:40] <siapran> yeah I'll do that
[20:30:47] <siapran> but they have no relationship with icons
[20:30:49] <badbodh> siapran, you should. have you noticed it's going gtk3 gradually ? some components are gtk3 already
[20:31:01] <siapran> I know
[20:31:16] <siapran> they're still fine
[20:31:23] <badbodh> siapran, change icon theme to something else, then switch back again. see what happens
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[20:31:30] <siapran> been there, done that
[20:32:09] <badbodh> other icon themes work fine though, right? just menda is broken
[20:32:20] <siapran> menda and numix are broken
[20:32:24] <siapran> let me try everything
[20:33:03] <badbodh> some icon themes use png, some use svg. gotta know if one of these libs are borken
[20:33:04] <siapran> ok so
[20:33:14] <siapran> the broken themes are
[20:33:32] <rhg135> PNG, kill it with fire!
[20:33:47] <rhg135> I really don't like rasters
[20:33:48] <siapran> breeze, faenza-flattr, menda, numix
[20:34:01] <siapran> the rest works fine
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[20:35:16] <badbodh> and they are all png or svg ?
[20:35:22] <siapran> lemme check
[20:35:32] <badbodh> could be mixed too
[20:35:49] <siapran> png
[20:35:52] <siapran> for menda
[20:36:20] <rhg135> Eww, good thing you aren't on hidpi
[20:36:30] <siapran> yeah
[20:36:36] <badbodh> Aberts10, still updating ?
[20:36:50] <Aberts10> badbodh: yep
[20:37:06] <Aberts10> badbodh: its probably going to take another 15 years.
[20:37:24] <Aberts10> badbodh: i've noticed it only downloads a few kilobytes... And i have a pretty decent internet
[20:37:57] <badbodh> Aberts10, you can stop the downloading with ctrl-C, never stop update once it starts installing, that will be fatal and irreversible
[20:38:00] <Aberts10> badbodh: probably a erthenet driver... it was fine last time after installing the one i found on a forum post
[20:38:18] <badbodh> sort your mirrors using "sudo pacman-mirrors -g"
[20:38:39] <badbodh> then -Syu again, all you;ve downloaded so far will stay where they are
[20:38:58] <Aberts10> badbodh: ill do that afterwards... theres not much left i feel
[20:39:02] <badbodh> okay
[20:39:47] <Aberts10> badbodh: if only i had a progress bar :/
[20:40:14] <siapran> nvm, they're all svg
[20:40:17] <badbodh> that can be arranged
[20:40:22] <siapran> I was looking at the wrong directory
[20:40:42] <rhg135> Back in my day, we used manual math, and liked it!
[20:41:04] <siapran> checked all the files, they're all there too
[20:41:10] <badbodh> siapran, gimme "pacman -Qm" on a pastebin
[20:41:10] <rhg135> None of these fancy CPU things
[20:41:45] <badbodh> rhg135, i still don;t get why people are so obsessed with digits on pi
[20:42:20] <badbodh> pi has been computed to millionth of a decimal, and for what ?
[20:42:23] <rhg135> Because it's very intriguing to some
[20:42:37] <rhg135> It's a fun puzzle
[20:43:09] <siapran> tried to hastebin it
[20:43:09] <siapran> http://i.imgur.com/dBkMT5B.png
[20:43:10] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Gm234P] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[20:43:14] <badbodh> i think it's just an excuse to gain credibility in the scientific community for nothing
[20:43:24] <siapran> anyway brb dinner
[20:45:09] <rhg135> badbodh: shame. It's not really nothing. You usually need to develop a new algorithm these days
[20:45:50] <Aberts10> badbodh: update time
[20:45:55] <Aberts10> badbodh: its done downloading
[20:45:57] <rhg135> And finding algorithms is a real thing
[20:46:03] <Aberts10> badbodh: shouldn't take long
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[20:48:18] <Aberts10> badbodh: all done
[20:48:37] <badbodh> reboot and then we're ready to play with mhwd
[20:48:49] <Aberts10> badbodh: my cpu just did a few wheelies... its the most expensive component of this entire computer
[20:49:31] <Aberts10> badbodh: alright, im back in the terminal
[20:49:35] <badbodh> my most expensive component is the android device i attached to my laptop for internet :D
[20:50:16] <badbodh> "sudo mhwd -a pci nonfree 0300"
[20:50:18] <Aberts10> badbodh: i kind of wish dell plopped a I3 in here, and allowed a better nvidia card
[20:50:41] <Aberts10> badbodh: alas, they only allow a crappy amd card, or a average nvidia one
[20:51:23] <badbodh> gpu on laptops are supposed to -not- use a lot of battery. which basically translates to -not do a lot-
[20:51:42] <Aberts10> badbodh: its a desktop, used to be the best model dell had
[20:51:54] <badbodh> pre-built desktop? ewww
[20:52:08] <Aberts10> badbodh: not my decision :/
[20:52:51] <rhg135> Eww in general
[20:52:54] <Aberts10> badbodh: got it for a huge discount from a site
[20:53:02] <rhg135> Eww computers really
[20:53:09] <Aberts10> rhg135: traitor!
[20:53:32] <rhg135> They kinda suck you know
[20:53:43] <Aberts10> i smell us cooking a barbecue at the manjaro meetup... *sniff sniff* and it smells like rhg135
[20:54:07] <Aberts10> rhg135: nah... they are a adventure
[20:54:13] <badbodh> Aberts10, your driver installed yet ?
[20:54:19] <rhg135> In frustration
[20:54:41] <badbodh> "sudo mhwd -a pci nonfree 0300" <----- this done ?
[20:54:41] <Aberts10> badbodh: black screen... cant tell if its because my monitor went to sleep, or it went black
[20:54:47] <rhg135> I mean I can get around fine with them, but yawn
[20:54:56] <badbodh> just press ctrl or something. maybe alt
[20:55:08] <Aberts10> badbodh: nothing
[20:55:12] <badbodh> dpms automatically turns off screen in 15 minutes
[20:55:12] <Aberts10> badbodh: the pc is on though
[20:55:25] <Aberts10> badbodh: i litterally just put in the command... and got distracted
[20:55:36] <badbodh> ffs man focus
[20:55:41] <Aberts10> badbodh: lol
[20:56:00] <Aberts10> badbodh: hard power off time... since there is no REISUB :$
[20:56:18] <badbodh> what happened ?
[20:56:20] <Aberts10> badbodh: unless you have any better suggestions?
[20:56:46] <Aberts10> badbodh: i dont know... but i cant get any output on my monitor... after that command
[20:57:02] <Aberts10> badbodh: my second pc hooked up the the same monitor shows up fine
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[20:57:45] <Aberts10> badbodh: how do you enable reisub anyway? And is it kernel level like ubuntu?
[20:57:46] <rhg135> People are meh too. Maybe it's just me then
[20:58:12] <Aberts10> badbodh: computer is off... i just tapped the power
[20:58:41] <badbodh> hmm, start again. this time keep your monitor alive after that mhwd command
[20:59:00] <Aberts10> badbodh: seems all good, should i retry the command?
[20:59:03] <badbodh> tapping ctrl button will do, it doesn;t affect the terminal
[20:59:08] <badbodh> aye, retry
[20:59:10] <Aberts10> badbodh: or is there a reinstall command?
[20:59:36] <Aberts10> badbodh: "linux 4.4.45"
[20:59:38] <badbodh> same thing, it will re-install the non-free driver package. run mhwd again
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[21:00:18] <Aberts10> badbodh: "brian-pc login: [     23.770111] usb 3-13: device descriptor read/64, error -110"
[21:00:24] <Aberts10> badbodh: its spamming that
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[21:00:44] <badbodh> can you move to another tty shell ?
[21:00:49] <Aberts10> badbodh: and it finished it off with "device not accepting address 9, error -71"
[21:01:03] <Aberts10> badbodh: yes
[21:01:36] <badbodh> then login there. usually one of the tty shell spams any warning/error message from that dmesg-thingy
[21:01:49] <badbodh> dunno is that's systemd's doing or kernel level stuff
[21:02:01] <Aberts10> badbodh: it says the nvidia driver installed fine
[21:02:03] <badbodh> *if that's
[21:02:27] <Aberts10> badbodh: "> Skipping already installed config 'video-nvidia' for device:"
[21:02:38] <badbodh> gimme "cat /etc/mkinitcpio.conf |wgetpaste -s gists"
[21:04:23] <Aberts10> badbodh: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/44731f70d98c9ae4368b8b01633f2e1c
[21:04:25] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/d7S2f7] stdin · GitHub
[21:04:25] <badbodh> also gimme "pacman -Qs linux44-nvidia" output, there are 3 drivers. wanna see which one is used on your machine
[21:04:33] <badbodh> no need to pastebin this one
[21:05:14] <Aberts10> badbodh: "local/linux44-nvidia 1:375.26-5 (linux44-extramodules)"
[21:05:21] <Aberts10> badbodh: "NVIDIA drivers for linux."
[21:05:53] <badbodh> Aberts10, there's also 340 and 304 available. which one do you use on ubuntu ?
[21:06:11] <badbodh> 375, 340 or 304 ?
[21:06:16] <Aberts10> badbodh: i use the latest i got from a ppa ... i think it was 479 or 478
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[21:06:35] <Aberts10> badbodh: it was nessary, as Xanmod 4.9 kernel wouldn't work without a more recent driver
[21:06:40] <badbodh> why ppa, the repository version didn;t work ?
[21:06:52] <badbodh> hmm
[21:07:09] <Aberts10> badbodh: yes, xanmod 4.9-xan11 wouldn't work without it
[21:07:31] <badbodh> then let's try kernel 4.9, we now leave your 4.4 as it is. no need to touch anything
[21:07:49] <badbodh> run "sudo mhwd-kernel -i linux49"
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[21:11:06] <truepurpl> Anyone here?
[21:11:12] <mtn_> heh
[21:11:16] <badbodh> heh
[21:11:29] <truepurpl> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/trying-to-verify-signature-of-iso-is-hell/17401
[21:11:30] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/69IcO1] Trying to verify signature of ISO is hell - Technical Issues and Assistance - Manjaro
[21:11:48] <Aberts10> badbodh: thats what i had earlier... anyways its installing
[21:12:10] <Aberts10> badbodh: i had to install the kernel headers through pacman if i recall... because i didn't know where else to get them
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[21:13:04] <Aberts10> badbodh: all done
[21:13:06] <Aberts10> badbodh: rebooting
[21:13:14] <badbodh> wait hang on
[21:13:39] <badbodh> you disabled lightdm remember ? "sudo systemctl enable lightdm-plymouth"
[21:13:53] <Aberts10> badbodh: ah. thats why
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[21:15:50] <Aberts10> badbodh: i got a graphical login... lightdm i think
[21:15:59] <badbodh> Aberts10, when you install a new kernel, you gotta install modules that come with it. nvidia driver has several packages for each kernel, starting from 3.10 upto 4.9
[21:16:10] <badbodh> each got it's own nvidia package
[21:16:12] <Aberts10> badbodh: whats the latest nvidia driver?
[21:16:20] <badbodh> you just installed the kernel and buzzed off
[21:16:23] <Aberts10> badbodh: is it the one that it automatically installed?
[21:16:57] <badbodh> yep. when you do mhwd-kernel -i <kernel name> you will get kernel+graphics+wifi driver as determined by mhwd database
[21:17:13] <badbodh> even virtualbox modules if needed
[21:17:13] <Aberts10> badbodh: okay
[21:17:39] <Aberts10> badbodh: so do i have to re-do that now that i installed the new kernel?
[21:17:47] <Aberts10> badbodh: oh, we already ran that right?
[21:17:51] <badbodh> hence kernel management is different on manjaro compared to ubuntu or even arch ---> mhwd :)
[21:18:08] <badbodh> nope. mhwd already handled that, nothing to redo
[21:18:18] <Aberts10> badbodh: well... it is still easier on ubuntu... the driver tool... though, kernels aren't i'd say
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[21:18:42] <badbodh> if you check your pacman log, there will be a few "linux49-*" packages installed, including an nvidia
[21:18:44] <Aberts10> badbodh: though, the drivers that ubuntu presents, dont always work because they are rather quite old... i guess for compatibility
[21:19:10] <Aberts10> badbodh: virtualbox... can i install it, and not worry about the headers or drivers for the kerenel?
[21:19:21] <badbodh> ubuntu also doesn;t provide the range of kernels+drivers that manjaro gives you
[21:19:35] <Aberts10> badbodh: now that i've completely removed windows and ubuntu... i play to run them in virtualbox every so often
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[21:20:16] <Aberts10> badbodh: time for cinnamon desktop... i suppose i can just use pacman... sudo pacman -S cinnamon
[21:20:33] <Aberts10> badbodh: what about mdm login manager?
[21:20:42] <badbodh> when you install virtualbox, look for packages "linux**-virtualbox-host-modules" and guest-modules
[21:20:52] <rhg135> Debian is under that old = good mentality
[21:21:05] <rhg135> It sucks sometimes
[21:21:11] <badbodh> you got linux44 and linux49 currently, so linux44-virtualbox-host-modules and linux49-virtualbox-host-modules
[21:21:41] <Aberts10> Old = Less secure correct? So how do they claim its more secure? Do they do further patches to bring security updates?
[21:21:43] <badbodh> ^ install them along with virtualbox app
[21:22:00] <Aberts10> badbodh: eh, ill never use 44.
[21:22:09] <Aberts10> badbodh: latest and greatest :P
[21:22:11] <badbodh> manjaro still provides kernel 3.10, i doubt debian runs anything below 3.16 at present
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[21:22:19] <badbodh> so much for "old"
[21:22:35] <manjaro-web|6661> greets newbs and 1337z
[21:22:42] <manjaro-web|6661> what's good this beautiful morning???
[21:22:46] <manjaro-web|6661> Can i get an Amen?
[21:22:51] <Aberts10> badbodh: how can i remove xfce entirely?
[21:22:54] <badbodh> Aberts10, now getting a GUI now? we still got some shit to be done
[21:22:59] <badbodh> open a terminal
[21:23:16] <Aberts10> badbodh: erm... yeah i've had a gui... i just did sudo pacman -S cinnamon...
[21:23:16] <manjaro-web|6661> when anybody isn't busy. I have a tiny Manjaro install question or two...
[21:23:19] <badbodh> manjaro-web|6661, A-fk off
[21:23:31] <manjaro-web|6661> meanwhile i'm going to go trim my fingernails... #kushLife
[21:23:32] <badbodh> questions we can handle, not amen :d
[21:23:53] <rhg135> So rude man...
[21:24:12] <badbodh> man, amen so sexist. why not awomen ?
[21:24:13] <siapran> back
[21:24:21] <Aberts10> badbodh: what would you like me to do now?
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[21:25:15] <badbodh> apart from getting me laid, run "sudo nvidia-settings" and do your thing. lemme know when you;ve saved a nice config.
[21:25:15] <rhg135> You do know some people use that for both genders?
[21:25:24] <badbodh> manjaro-web|6661, anything we can help you with ?
[21:25:37] <badbodh> accept giving amen. anything but that
[21:25:44] <siapran> badbodh: here's the output of pacman -Qm
[21:25:45] <siapran> https://hastebin.com/vovofodawe.txt
[21:25:46] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/V459of] hastebin
[21:26:05] <siapran> (I somehow missed it)
[21:26:34] <badbodh> siapran, important things first. How do you kill the thief, or at least prevent your jewel-egg from getting stolen in zork1 ?
[21:26:52] <Aberts10> badbodh: its all cool in there... im not one to tinker with gpu settings unless someone has proved it improves preformance
[21:27:29] <badbodh> okay, "sudo mhwd-gpu --setgl nvidia --setxorg /etc/X11/mhwd.d/nvidia.conf"
[21:27:35] <mtn_> manjaro-web|6661: if you want help, ask your real question
[21:27:47] <rhg135> That
[21:28:01] <Aberts10> badbodh: my main objective... Make sure cinnamon is installed fully, correctly, and runs well.... Make sure theres a progress bar for pacman and any other terminal installers.... Remove all XFCE related items... Install MDM login manager instead of lightdm....
[21:28:08] <rhg135> Asking to ask isn't very effective on irc
[21:28:09] <badbodh> mtn_, fancy getting an amen from a dude with 666 in the nick :D
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[21:28:22] <mtn_> badbodh: :)
[21:28:37] <badbodh> Aberts10, will get there. do the thing and make me happy first
[21:29:00] <rhg135> I'm starting to think nobody knows what amen means...
[21:29:10] <truepurpl> If people could see their way to helping me with this https://forum.manjaro.org/t/trying-to-verify-signature-of-iso-is-hell/17401, that would be appreciated
[21:29:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Q2iD6t] (link was unresponsive: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/trying-to-verify-signature-of-iso-is-hell/17401,)
[21:29:19] <Aberts10> badbodh: "warning: could not find '/etc/X11/mhwed.d/nvidia.conf'"
[21:29:59] <siapran> badbodh: sorry about the delay, but do you have any idea of what could possibly cause this
[21:30:05] <badbodh> Aberts10, you first gotta "sudo nvidia-settings" and save that nvidia.conf file in the given location
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[21:30:47] <badbodh> Aberts10, oh, you want defaults. didn;t see
[21:31:30] <badbodh> go ahead, do the cinnamon
[21:31:50] <Aberts10> badbodh: well, i'd assume it will work efficiently... i have no clue what im doing, so i'd just screw up something unless i had a guide to get ideas on what does what
[21:32:10] <Aberts10> badbodh: cinnamon is installed... i use pacman
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[21:32:32] <badbodh> hmm, peace. if defaults work for you then okay. If you face performance issues, then you will have to learn how to use nvidia-settings
[21:32:43] <badbodh> ...eventually
[21:32:46] <Aberts10> badbodh: i'd like to remove all the xfce related things... (except the transparent terminal) ... And install MDM login manager
[21:33:05] <badbodh> don;t use mdm right now.
[21:33:09] <Aberts10> badbodh: how come?
[21:33:24] <badbodh> it has some issues with systemd. may work fine on openRC edition
[21:33:43] <Aberts10> badbodh: fair enough...
[21:33:53] <badbodh> stick to lightdm, you may try different greeters if you feel like
[21:33:55] <Aberts10> badbodh: though, when i logged out of xfce... i got a blinking cursor and nothing further
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[21:34:13] <Aberts10> badbodh: (i thought MDM was the cinnamon greeter/login?)
[21:34:23] <badbodh> nope. that's not how it is
[21:34:31] <Aberts10> badbodh: on mint, if i screwed up something in the login... i'd just reinstall that...
[21:34:42] <badbodh> cinnamon is DE, MDM is DM - they don;t need each other
[21:34:48] <Aberts10> badbodh: ah
[21:35:05] <Aberts10> badbodh: so how do i get the cinnamon greeter instead of lightdm?
[21:35:05] <badbodh> lightdm is de-facto standard, unless you have kde or gnome. sddm or gdm in those cases
[21:35:34] <badbodh> there is no cinnamon greeter. Just the DE, use whatever DM or greeter you wanna
[21:35:37] <Aberts10> badbodh: cinnamon provides Javascript api for easily accessing the system
[21:35:55] <Aberts10> badbodh: alright :/
[21:36:20] <Aberts10> badbodh: i still have a blinking cursor? odd.
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[21:37:03] <badbodh> indeed. you just got a GUI, nothing changed. And still lightdm refuses to start
[21:37:06] <Aberts10> badbodh: i did "sudo service lightdm stop" with "service: command not found"
[21:37:33] <badbodh> ffs read the friggin manual. "sudo systemctl disable lightdm-plymouth.service"
[21:38:02] <Aberts10> badbodh: fair enough. im just going to screw around with the forums and manual.
[21:38:06] <siapran> er
[21:38:07] <siapran> ok
[21:38:13] <badbodh> ffs read the friggin manual. "sudo systemctl stop lightdm-plymouth.service"
[21:38:13] <badbodh> :P
[21:38:21] <badbodh> not disable. i copied from clipboard
[21:38:32] <badbodh> you better enable that shit.
[21:38:34] <siapran> vlc cannot fails to start graphically and falls back to the cli?
[21:38:45] <siapran> wth
[21:38:47] <badbodh> for restarting a service "systemctl restart ...."
[21:38:52] <badbodh> Aberts10, ^
[21:39:06] <Aberts10> badbodh: black scree
[21:39:06] <siapran> I wish I knew what the fuck is wrong with my system right now
[21:39:21] <badbodh> not "disable" , please enable it back. my bad
[21:39:26] <Aberts10> badbodh: my god. Manjaro you better stop f*cking around.
[21:39:55] <Aberts10> badbodh: how do i kill it? it is enabled... i need to kill the running instances
[21:39:57] <badbodh> siapran, your qt4 broke or something ? or you got skinned mode ? try another qt app
[21:40:06] <Aberts10> badbodh: screw that question. im googling.
[21:40:10] <badbodh> Aberts10, systemctl stop
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[21:40:36] <badbodh> available actions for systemctl are start, restart, stop, enable and disable
[21:40:46] <badbodh> there are others but let's go there later
[21:41:00] <superbia> i like it when you cosplay a sexy teacher badbodh
[21:41:30] <siapran> qtcreator runs fine but I think it's qt5
[21:41:35] <badbodh> superbia, wait till you see me in red latex
[21:41:48] <badbodh> siapran, anything qt4 ? clementine, smplayer
[21:42:01] <superbia> red latex... i am getting very juicy very quickly... help im all wet
[21:42:08] <siapran> I'll just install one I guess
[21:42:11] <badbodh> nope smplayer is qt5 too
[21:42:36] <Aberts10> lightdm is still running... Systemctl did not stop the running instances of it... *computer* *window* *throw*
[21:42:58] <Aberts10> i install manjaro... and the first thing i get is about 10 different problems.
[21:43:02] <siapran> https://hastebin.com/isoxeqevof.txt
[21:43:03] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/s6oKZM] hastebin
[21:43:05] <superbia> Aberts10: if your lightdm is causing problems, it caused alot of problems since it got released out
[21:43:18] <Aberts10> time to install mdm. Screw it.
[21:43:20] <superbia> Aberts10: the devs don't listen to us irc guys, so they don't really give a fuck
[21:43:25] <badbodh> Aberts10, "sudo systemctl --force stop lightdm-plymouth"
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[21:44:06] <siapran> I'm starting to regret not taking the time to configure arch correctly 3 years ago
[21:44:20] <superbia> there's nothing to configure
[21:44:26] <superbia> install and add when you need features
[21:44:33] <Aberts10> lightdm is still running
[21:44:42] <siapran> I never got primus to run correctly on arch
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[21:44:54] <siapran> which is why I tried manjaro
[21:44:56] <superbia> it was bumblebee when i started, and it ran flawless
[21:45:08] <Aberts10> why isn't there a detonation key on computers? I want one, now.
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[21:45:45] <badbodh> usually --force does the killing job. dunno why it's still running on yours
[21:45:55] <siapran> so far, this Syu has broke: my icons, vlc, steam, quicktile
[21:46:13] <superbia> but it hasnt broken your spirit
[21:46:18] <superbia> yet..
[21:46:24] <siapran> yeah good luck breaking it any further
[21:46:30] <Aberts10> i just did "halt" and my system is frozen on a screen which shows the cursor, and one dot of the manjaro loading screen...
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[21:46:42] <siapran> that's ok
[21:46:44] <superbia> one day i had same problems as you siapran
[21:46:50] <superbia> when i was young
[21:46:54] <superbia> when ringo was my mentor
[21:47:02] <superbia> he tought me the ways of the arch....
[21:47:10] <siapran> how old are you
[21:47:12] <Aberts10> superbia: i could use him.
[21:47:14] <badbodh> Aberts10, i can think of one way to simplify this shit.
[21:47:21] <superbia> siapran: 22
[21:47:26] <siapran> ok
[21:47:31] <badbodh> that's why folks hate plymouth, it pokes a hook up your butt
[21:47:47] <siapran> guess I still need another year to find out then
[21:47:50] <Aberts10> superbia: problem after problem... "nvidia driver error" "x server no screen" .... freezing on halt .... lightdm being unresponsive and not killing....
[21:47:52] <badbodh> you wanna disable plymouth for now ? see what happens ?
[21:47:59] <superbia> so do you want to see my computer siapran
[21:48:12] <siapran> idk, it sounds pretty intimate
[21:48:14] <Aberts10> badbodh: i want to remove it. I love the text that is shown when my pi boots... i'd like it if i had the same here
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[21:48:46] <badbodh> Aberts10, it can be undone. just wanna know who to blame here. nvidia, lightdm, kernel or plymouth. Too many variables atm.
[21:49:08] <superbia> siapran: http://i.imgur.com/iGqgKhR.png
[21:49:08] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Xpiw84] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[21:49:22] <badbodh> Strit_Laptop, yo expurrt. We need some nvidia help here. yo got time ?
[21:49:37] <Aberts10> badbodh: screw plymouth, usplash, xsplash, and anything else plymouth related.
[21:49:37] <siapran> superbia: it's pretty and minimalistic
[21:49:49] <siapran> and pretty
[21:50:00] <badbodh> superbia, see^ that's what a broken spirit looks like :D
[21:50:11] <Aberts10> superbia: yep.
[21:50:16] <Aberts10> superbia: im about to break a keyboard.
[21:50:27] <superbia> Aberts10: i have a nice keyboard too, wanna see?
[21:50:43] <mike-zal> uh, I don't like the wallpaper. like grandma's wallpaper...
[21:50:43] <Aberts10> superbia: im .1 percent to going back to ubuntu, and dealing with upgrading every year
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[21:51:04] <superbia> http://i.imgur.com/i9Gmzbh.jpg
[21:51:05] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/BXvs1J] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
[21:51:14] <Aberts10> badbodh: knew a core install wouldv'e been better
[21:51:21] <Aberts10> badbodh: what is installed is just a hunk of junk
[21:51:23] <siapran> superbia I genuinely want that keyboard
[21:51:59] <badbodh> Aberts10, i never installed a ready-made iso myself. Been a long time i do net-install only, one package at a time :)
[21:52:03] <Aberts10> badbodh: but no going back now... i do not want to redo this mess, and wait another 30 minutes for package updates
[21:52:22] <badbodh> last i did full iso install was on mint 17.1
[21:52:24] <Aberts10> badbodh: ill strip every package one by one if i have to. im pissed.
[21:52:29] <siapran> the other day at work, a guy was throwing away old peripherals
[21:52:29] * superbia is listening to The Four Seasons, Op. 8, "Summer": III. Presto - St. Petersburg Radio Symphony Orchestra (The 99 Darkest Pieces of Classical Music) ::: 26 - The Four Seasons, Op. 8, _Summer__ III. Presto.mp3 ::: 00:33/02:51 @ 248kbps
[21:52:32] <Aberts10> badbodh: mint is a savior.
[21:52:44] <Aberts10> badbodh: i just want mint but with rolling... at least that what i hoped manjaro would be.
[21:52:46] <superbia> siapran: and you ebay-ed it all
[21:52:49] <siapran> and I saved a very sweet keyboard from the trash
[21:53:03] <siapran> nah, I didn't have the time
[21:53:04] <badbodh> aye. manjaro is kinda edgy. if it works, works like charm. if it don;t, you gotta know a lot of stuff to figure it out.
[21:53:04] <superbia> siapran: mines from 1990 ireland
[21:53:11] <superbia> made by lepprecons
[21:53:20] <siapran> heh
[21:53:20] <badbodh> not dev-level stuff, but still some advanced xorg level hackery
[21:53:21] <Aberts10> badbodh: manjaro allows me to open a gui installer... navigate to AUR, and install any program in a minute... no extra package searching or downloading...
[21:53:21] <manjaro-web|6661> k back
[21:53:22] <siapran> anyway
[21:53:38] <siapran> that still doesn't solve my chaotic update
[21:53:38] <superbia> siapran: my system -> no icons
[21:53:42] <manjaro-web|6661> so does manjaro have a solid install to EFI / UEFI USB drive instaler?
[21:53:44] <superbia> no icons -> no problems with icons
[21:53:50] <siapran> I guess
[21:53:53] <siapran> I like icons though
[21:54:05] <superbia> i hate icons
[21:54:05] <Aberts10> siapran: ill swap with you... A non-working system, for no icons? eh, how about it?
[21:54:14] <manjaro-web|6661> The Installer is trying to modify  my HD, not the USB drive I'm trying to install to
[21:54:17] <siapran> depends
[21:54:20] <manjaro-web|6661> anyone?
[21:54:23] <siapran> how good is the hardware?
[21:54:29] <badbodh> Aberts10, you should first learn archlinux. Then switch to manjaro when you feel like retiring.
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[21:54:37] <badbodh> easier that way :D
[21:54:49] <Aberts10> siapran: well... when im done with it ... it will work... but erm... might have some cracking... and a few missing transistors
[21:55:01] <siapran> oh
[21:55:09] <Aberts10> badbodh: but arch = hell in comparison...
[21:55:13] <badbodh> now i don;t fear lack of GUI. i have lived my life in a tty shell for quite a long time now
[21:55:13] <siapran> well
[21:55:19] <Aberts10> badbodh: if im having troubles with manjaro... then im not going far with arch.
[21:55:24] <Aberts10> badbodh: even with anterogos.
[21:55:34] <siapran> Aberts10: honestly arch has given me less headaches tbh
[21:55:44] <Aberts10> siapran: whats the plus of manjaro?
[21:55:54] <siapran> (did I just "honestly .* tbh"?)
[21:56:05] <siapran> the plus of manjaro is the installation prt
[21:56:09] <siapran> *part
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[21:56:18] <Aberts10> siapran: so i might as well just get anterogos... do a empty install?
[21:56:25] <mtn_> manjaro-web|6661: doesn't the installer ask where you want to install  to?
[21:56:27] <hedgie> not to mention easy handling of proprietary drivers
[21:56:33] <Aberts10> siapran: doesn't manjaro have a modified kernel? with preformance boosts?
[21:56:43] <manjaro-web|6661> yeah i gonna try Antergos again.. Manjaro seems kinda like spyware. anyone have a different opinion?
[21:56:43] <badbodh> manjaro kernel has bfq scheduler, so system is responsive ever under heavy load
[21:56:46] <siapran> I have no idea and very frankly I do not care
[21:57:05] <superbia> manjaro-web|6661: manjaro is spyware
[21:57:06] <Aberts10> badbodh: thats what i had with xanmod... and i wont go without it... made a drastic preformance boost
[21:57:07] <badbodh> then there's a bunch of older kernels LTS, and mhwd database
[21:57:07] <manjaro-web|6661> although It recognizes my broadcom wifi in a MacBook Pro which is hella finicky in other OS distro
[21:57:14] <superbia> manjaro-web|6661: its made by hydra in germany and the alps
[21:57:19] <manjaro-web|6661> superbia.. i'm trolling ya.. you gonna help me with my tech issue or talk trash?
[21:57:28] <manjaro-web|6661> germany, not fascist?
[21:57:34] <manjaro-web|6661> or a commie german from east germany?
[21:57:34] <superbia> i don't fix manjaro...
[21:57:34] <mtn_> manjaro-web|6661: doesn't the installer ask where you want to install  to?
[21:57:35] <siapran> well this chat has been talking thrash for a while now
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[21:57:44] <mtn_> it usually does
[21:57:55] <manjaro-web|6661> yeah but manjaro installer (gui intaller on 16.06.1
[21:57:57] <superbia> theres no admin to ban me mtn_
[21:58:00] <siapran> I think I might as well just do a clean install
[21:58:04] <manjaro-web|6661> wants to modify SDA, and that's not kosher homies
[21:58:06] <badbodh> Aberts10, with a leet graphics card like yours, you better post in forum so that devs can take a look.
[21:58:11] <manjaro-web|6661> i need to install to SDB (the USB
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[21:58:12] <Aberts10> badbodh: so i should give up? or try minimal... or anterogos?
[21:58:15] <siapran> because my system is just so broken right now
[21:58:16] <badbodh> we have tried the basic stuff for now
[21:58:19] <mtn_> manjaro-web|6661: doesn't the installer ask where you want to install  to?
[21:58:22] <Aberts10> bad63r: or crawl back to linux mint?
[21:58:28] <Aberts10> badbodh: *
[21:58:34] <mtn_> manjaro-web|6661: that is a yes/no question
[21:58:36] <manjaro-web|6661> man, wombyn, ban me if you like, it's not like it's first time i've been banned by the special snowflake patrol
[21:58:37] <manjaro-web|6661> lol
[21:58:44] <manjaro-web|6661> yes mtn__
[21:58:46] <Strit_Laptop> There are admins present btw.
[21:58:52] <manjaro-web|6661> IDGAF
[21:58:56] <mtn_> manjaro-web|6661: oh. you are not serious. ok.  good luck
[21:58:57] <badbodh> i haven't used antergos yet, can;t say. (for some reason the cnchi installer kept crashing on me, so i decided fuck this)
[21:59:07] <manjaro-web|6661> whatevs. ya''lll some special snowflakes
[21:59:11] <manjaro-web|6661> later loosers
[21:59:13] <manjaro-web|6661> get a life
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[21:59:17] <Aberts10> badbodh: does manjaro minimal have a GUI installer?
[21:59:18] <badbodh> that was like years ago when antergos just started.
[21:59:33] <badbodh> aye, calamares
[21:59:47] <Aberts10> badbodh: i will never go without a graphical installer... That is my only request... That and i want modified kernels with BFQ scheduling
[21:59:56] <siapran> back in my days, Antergos was called Cinnarch
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[22:00:06] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> any tech help avail for a newb?
[22:00:08] <Strit_Laptop> Aberts10: Manjaro's kernel got BFQ.
[22:00:11] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> thx in advance
[22:00:19] <superbia> ManjaroNINJAOTAK: tell what you need
[22:00:19] <Aberts10> Strit: hence why i want manjaro.
[22:00:29] <mike-zal> Aberts10: what do you mean by minimal? net or minimal version of certain edition?
[22:00:45] <LyriCa> hey whats a cool display manager to use with deepin??
[22:00:45] <badbodh> siapran, aye. first time i tried, they just started with antergos and a beta cnchi installer. could get it to install though :D
[22:00:52] <Aberts10> mike-zal: i saw a minimal, official, which had nothing but the manjaro tools...
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[22:01:26] <badbodh> LyriCa, lightdm with a fancy arse webkit greeter should do
[22:01:32] <Aberts10> badbodh: if i wanted to install cinnamon... completely... whats the name of the cinnamon MDM for pacman? And is there anything else i'd need besides cinnamon & MDM?
[22:01:38] <mike-zal> then minimal should have normal calamares installer. net edition doesn't have it, it's all in terminal then
[22:01:41] <siapran> I think I might as well do a clean manjaro install
[22:01:45] <badbodh> there's deepin themeing too
[22:01:47] <siapran> because right now my system is fubar
[22:01:54] <Aberts10> siapran: same.
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[22:02:13] <siapran> any tips on what to backup?
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[22:02:23] <siapran> apart from the package list
[22:02:54] <Aberts10> Intresting... No further requirements... according to the wiki
[22:03:12] <badbodh> Aberts10, i have never used the GUI installer, from what i know it should offer you some choice of DE and DM to use. Just see what happens. You got your data backed up right ?
[22:03:15] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> is it better to install using Cinchi installer or prepartition using EFU fat32 partition and ignore the needed swap file?
[22:03:28] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> simple question, hope for some kind advice. blessings
[22:03:41] <Strit_Laptop> ManjaroNINJAOTAK: we don't use the Chinchi installer.
[22:03:44] <Aberts10> Thanks badbodh... I annoyed you enough... The wiki just says to install cinnamon... and everything should be clear
[22:03:52] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> Chinchi. lol
[22:04:03] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> who comes up with these names? seriously dnsmasQ ?
[22:04:21] <Strit_Laptop> Manjaro uses Calamares installer.
[22:04:22] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> Is manjaro secure as a server or is it full of convenient hacker backdoors?
[22:04:34] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> ok i was thinking of Antergos
[22:04:36] <badbodh> Thus installer wasa cnchi fork. Obsolete now
[22:04:40] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> another install project that failed on me
[22:04:44] <Strit_Laptop> Go ask in #antergos
[22:05:19] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> there are three installers in 16.06.01 Daniella
[22:05:26] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> a CLI, and two Gui installers
[22:05:35] <Strit_Laptop> yes. But that's a very old install media.
[22:05:36] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> I'm not installing Antergos kind sir
[22:05:42] <badbodh> mtn_, it's funny when people think snowflakes are not special. Because each snowflake is one hell of an artwork
[22:05:48] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> really? i thought 16.06 was the latest flavour
[22:05:53] <siapran> woo
[22:06:02] <siapran> I already have a manjaro live ISO from work
[22:06:03] <Strit_Laptop> latest is 16.10.3.
[22:06:03] <siapran> yay
[22:06:11] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> badbodh, you're special. <3 <3
[22:06:14] <badbodh> depends on fusion/solidification conditions and patterns
[22:06:14] <siapran> that saves me some waiting I guess
[22:06:24] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> k... so I should download the latest install media?
[22:06:27] <Strit_Laptop> yes
[22:06:35] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> thank you kind sir/madam / human
[22:06:45] <Strit_Laptop> one of those are true. :)
[22:06:48] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> k. i retract all previous statements
[22:06:50] <siapran> meanwhile
[22:06:50] <siapran> sudo pacman -Rs $(pacman -Q | grep android | awk '{print $1}')
[22:06:56] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> infinite prosperity is heading your way!!!
[22:06:57] <superbia> ManjaroNINJAOTAK: do you train ninjitsu
[22:07:10] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> superbia is that a private message or in the channel
[22:07:23] <siapran> it's public
[22:07:30] <siapran> but it mentions you
[22:07:32] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> I do train.  It's an Ancient Toltec Kung Fu style that has been de-weaponized
[22:07:40] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> mkay
[22:07:55] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> omnia scientia omnia
[22:08:02] <ManjaroNINJAOTAK> carpe diem frater
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[22:08:17] <superbia> retard
[22:08:17] <Aberts10> Can i use Xanmod on a arch system?
[22:08:26] <superbia> Aberts10: no, you need to configure it first
[22:08:47] <Aberts10> superbia: How indepth?
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[22:09:31] <superbia> Aberts10: why do you need xanmod in the first place
[22:09:39] <superbia> this aint ubuntu fairytale unicorn land, this is arch
[22:09:58] <superbia> the only reason manjaro is such shit, is that it got popular, back in the day manjaro was actually usable
[22:10:08] <superbia> the devs left, and nobody can configure manjaro properly
[22:10:22] <superbia> if you go to install arch on your own, you will get buletproof system...
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[22:11:56] <Aberts10> superbia: huge increase in preformance over the normal linux kernel
[22:12:20] <benmoot> i'm having some issues with Manjaro i3 when my nvidia card is plugged in
[22:12:35] <benmoot> it goes to black screen with a blinking _ after the grub
[22:12:49] <badbodh> you could try linux-ck on arch, but its aur stuff and may not be maintained that well
[22:13:24] <badbodh> could get some bfq on gentoo kernel, and with all the stripping out that's gonna be one hell of a quick system
[22:13:48] <badbodh> enabling bfq will be tricky though
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[22:19:44] <superbia> what performance Aberts10
[22:20:06] <NanoSector> i just misread that as Asbest10
[22:20:08] <NanoSector> woops
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[22:22:08] <Aberts10> superbia: Ram and disk usage and scheduling... Basically... It allocated resources to programs much better, allowing for responsiveness and speed accross programs
[22:22:13] <siapran> welp
[22:22:30] <siapran> I hope the user setup doesn overwrite anything in /home
[22:22:34] <Aberts10> superbia: https://xanmod.org/
[22:22:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/U3YVQy] Releases - XanMod Kernel
[22:22:38] <siapran> doesn't
[22:23:04] <NanoSector> Aberts10: sounds like a linux-zen kind of kernel
[22:23:18] <siapran> because I just went yolo and reinstalled my system without backing up anything
[22:23:22] <Aberts10> superbia: NanoSector http://pastebin.com/kjfxd64D
[22:23:23] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/UKQMql] Tuned CPU Core Scheduler w/ MuQSS (4.9 series)  and CFS at µs-Latency (4.8 and  - Pastebin.com
[22:23:47] <NanoSector> siapran: yeah, don't do that
[22:23:56] <Strit_Laptop> siapran: only if you tell the installer to format the partition. :)
[22:24:00] <Aberts10> NanoSector: with the right video drivers, it definitely feels like the best
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[22:24:17] <NanoSector> Aberts10: i dunno, i usually stick with the stock arch kernel or linux-mainline
[22:24:46] <Aberts10> NanoSector: i installed the 378 series nvidia drivers on linux mint, with xanmod 4.9 .... Huge improvements... I would love for these same improvments on arch... But it is only built for debian based systems
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[22:25:00] <NanoSector> !aur linux-xan
[22:25:00] <Botergos> I had no results for that query.
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[22:25:33] <NanoSector> Aberts10: maybe you can look into using deb2targz
[22:25:37] <NanoSector> !aur deb2targz
[22:25:37] <Botergos> deb2targz - convert a Debian Linux .deb file to a .tar.gz -- version 0.1-7 - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/deb2targz
[22:26:01] <NanoSector> might be worth looking at this printer driver to see an example
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[22:26:08] <NanoSector> !aur 9020cdw
[22:26:08] <Botergos> brother-dcp-9020cdw - LPR and CUPS driver for the Brother DCP-9020CDW -- version 1.1.4-1 - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/brother-dcp-9020cdw
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[23:00:20] <manjaro-kde5-> problems n more problems
[23:00:39] <superbia> problems are what we feast on
[23:00:46] <superbia> it's my speciality
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[23:01:09] <manjaro-kde5-> feast on this:  partial updates are not supported
[23:01:35] <superbia> i feast on the fact you are using kde ;)
[23:01:46] <manjaro-kde5-> actually im live boot
[23:01:52] <manjaro-kde5-> i use budgie for reals.
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[23:02:36] <manjaro-kde5-> could you offer me some of your wisdom ?
[23:02:56] <superbia> i've had it with manjaro on superbia-plane
[23:03:08] <superbia> im just here to keep a warm athosphere for people in seek for help
[23:03:11] <superbia> :)
[23:03:23] <superbia> don't judge me for it plox
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[23:03:29] <manjaro-kde5-> does the glow of your warmth contain any actual knowlage?
[23:03:53] <superbia> i could help you
[23:03:57] <superbia> if you said who what wear
[23:04:03] <mtn_> manjaro-kde5-: what is the problem you are having? care to share?
[23:04:05] <manjaro-kde5-> is the main thrust
[23:04:12] <manjaro-kde5-> welll....
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[23:04:14] <superbia> you can trust mtn_ he's french
[23:04:29] <manjaro-kde5-> briefly:  I want for no good reason to use Manjaro
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[23:04:42] <manjaro-kde5-> and i want for defintaley no good reason to use KDE
[23:04:44] <mtn_> superbia: I am?
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[23:04:53] <manjaro-kde5-> following ?
[23:04:55] <mtn_> manjaro-kde5-: so go ahead
[23:05:00] <manjaro-kde5-> ok
[23:05:03] <Aberts10> Lol i just found the nickname of BFS scheduler
[23:05:04] <manjaro-kde5-> i MUST have LUKS
[23:05:07] <mtn_> manjaro-kde5-: no, you are going to fast
[23:05:19] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: i have luks too
[23:05:22] <Aberts10> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Fuck_Scheduler
[23:05:23] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/teQMAX] Brain Fuck Scheduler - Wikipedia
[23:05:23] <manjaro-kde5-> must,must,must
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[23:05:56] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: seriously... i use luks on lvm on arch
[23:06:03] <superbia> so atleast i know what you talking about there
[23:06:04] <manjaro-kde5-> caveat.  16.10 comes with Calamares  2.4.5-1.
[23:06:14] <manjaro-kde5-> but that is broken for LUKS
[23:06:30] <manjaro-kde5-> but calamares 3.01-1 apparently works now
[23:06:38] <manjaro-kde5-> ^
[23:06:44] <Aberts10> Btw, linux-ck kernel is slower than licorice, which in turn is slower than xanmod... At least according to tests done by people
[23:06:58] <Aberts10> The default linux kernel is also inherintly faster for servers
[23:07:00] <superbia> fuck people
[23:07:04] <superbia> all 10 of gentooers
[23:07:08] <manjaro-kde5-> now here we go for the big question. place your wizard hat on your heads...
[23:07:14] <domker> hi ;)
[23:07:17] <superbia> i love this americans domker
[23:07:22] <superbia> domker: siemka pes
[23:07:48] <manjaro-kde5-> in Octopi  < i can install 3.01-1 ... but it wont let me because and i quote: partial updates are not supported
[23:08:00] <manjaro-kde5-> ^
[23:08:01] <superbia> fuck octopi, use cli pacman
[23:08:07] <manjaro-kde5-> i am noob
[23:08:22] <manjaro-kde5-> manjaro is 4 noobs
[23:08:28] <manjaro-kde5-> relatively speaking
[23:08:52] <manjaro-kde5-> is there any way to force install calamares.
[23:09:13] <superbia> use cli
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[23:10:09] <manjaro-kde5-> superbia, thanks. My issue is that i can install arch no problem from command all up until LUKS and the whole partioning thing confuses me
[23:10:26] <manjaro-kde5-> i need grubfat32, a container etc..
[23:10:28] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: i can help you install arch with luks from the command line
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[23:10:44] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: infact i have a set of commands i used last time to get it up and running
[23:10:51] <superbia> and a guide explaining everythign
[23:11:03] <superbia> so you not being able to find my guide... shame on you kid
[23:11:29] <manjaro-kde5-> i like to walk into a store and knock things over, i don't read the signs
[23:11:42] <superbia> it's like fucking girls without a condom...
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[23:11:53] <superbia> im sorry, but you will have to take care of the kids one way or the other
[23:11:55] <manjaro-kde5-> well, not reall..
[23:12:09] <superbia> yea, couse you are socially awkward, unlike all of us here
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[23:12:31] <manjaro-kde5-> i am married. i understand awkwardness
[23:12:42] <superbia> nice
[23:12:46] <superbia> congratz
[23:12:51] <manjaro-kde5-> i also dislike children
[23:12:54] <manjaro-kde5-> a whole bunch
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[23:12:56] <superbia> linux is not supposed to be chaotic
[23:13:05] <superbia> you got used to chaos on windows
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[23:13:10] <superbia> this place is zen
[23:13:16] <superbia> you can install arch with luks... no problem
[23:13:25] <superbia> i use it, people use it... it's not rocket science
[23:13:36] <superbia> it's not like we are ESA and sending probes to Mars
[23:13:39] <manjaro-kde5-> but calamares is pretty. i want my GUI
[23:14:04] <superbia> but it's rotten inside
[23:14:08] <manjaro-kde5-> i shaved my gentoo beard to the exact lengh required for manjaro gui's
[23:14:21] <superbia> i know what is for you my friend
[23:14:30] <superbia> if you don't need much things, go dark side
[23:14:34] <superbia> openbsd
[23:14:38] <manjaro-kde5-> im going to go full arch
[23:14:50] <manjaro-kde5-> manjaro is nice, but the green is really off putting.
[23:14:56] <superbia> manjaro is shit
[23:15:04] <superbia> if you judge a distro by the way it looks, you are not too smart
[23:15:11] <manjaro-kde5-> but shit to a fly is a pizza
[23:15:16] <superbia> btw. manjaro looked way better 3 years ago... and was better in every way
[23:15:22] <superbia> but then the devs had a massive exodus
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[23:15:32] <manjaro-kde5-> where did they go
[23:15:33] <superbia> and now potato manages manjaro, and it's really bad as you can see
[23:15:47] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: google "manjaro exodus"
[23:16:12] <manjaro-kde5-> i dont use google, they want to enslave me and make my eye sockets into projectors.
[23:16:17] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: duckduck go
[23:16:21] <manjaro-kde5-> better.
[23:16:26] <superbia> duckduckgo it
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[23:16:42] <manjaro-kde5-> is anymone german in here
[23:17:25] <superbia> ich bin
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[23:17:27] <superbia> warum
[23:17:48] <manjaro-kde5-> im using cli pacman now.
[23:17:53] <superbia> aber ich habe diese scheisse amerikanische tastatur
[23:17:57] <manjaro-kde5-> who needs guis
[23:18:12] <superbia> ok cli = good
[23:18:18] <superbia> what you want to install
[23:19:03] <manjaro-kde5-> pacman so i can pacman while i pacman
[23:19:21] <superbia> type this
[23:19:24] <superbia> sudo pacman -Syy
[23:19:32] <superbia> you should see something happen
[23:20:28] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: mostly, the gui stuff, gui applets, that stuff is writen by potato programmers, so it's not even manjaro's fault it breaks shit.... the debian just updates apps so slowly that they only use working tested shit
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[23:21:05] <superbia> you should be comfortable with using pacman from the command line, especially when you are using an "arch" system
[23:21:20] <manjaro-kde5-> i use debian all the time
[23:21:26] <manjaro-kde5-> i dont even know why i am here
[23:21:37] <superbia> so use debian
[23:21:40] <manjaro-kde5-> i would just like a more upto date debian if im honest
[23:21:46] <superbia> if you are ready to turn the next page in life
[23:21:48] <superbia> return here
[23:21:55] <manjaro-kde5-> next page..
[23:21:57] <superbia> get coffee, bagels, and spare time
[23:22:03] <superbia> you will need everything you got
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[23:22:11] <superbia> to learn this shit
[23:22:53] <manjaro-kde5-> i think manjaro is awkward. Arch is manjaro. but manjaro is easy arch.. but then you need arch skills for manjaro and GUI stuff doesnt work and updates break things. SO why not just use arch and not Manjaro ?
[23:23:20] <manjaro-kde5-> its installing now..
[23:23:20] <superbia> manjaro is like the gateway to heaven
[23:23:27] <superbia> it's for kids, and to spark a fire in people
[23:23:31] <manjaro-kde5-> i prefer hell tbh
[23:23:38] <superbia> the people in this channel are generally pretty nice with other people
[23:23:41] <superbia> so people get hooked
[23:23:44] <superbia> not exactly to the manjaro
[23:23:52] <superbia> but to the interaction that happens in this channel...
[23:24:36] <manjaro-kde5-> windows 10 looks like KDE
[23:24:45] <superbia> exactly, that is the good anwser
[23:24:48] <superbia> kde looked like it first
[23:24:52] <superbia> windows stole the design :)
[23:24:58] <manjaro-kde5-> i dont doubt that
[23:25:09] <manjaro-kde5-> big corps like to 'borrow' free ideas and sell them
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[23:25:13] <superbia> same with os-x stealing the "top bar position from us"
[23:25:20] <superbia> and the launcher
[23:25:48] <superbia> basically os-x is underneeth a freebsd + apple's own xorg
[23:25:48] <Stuzz> like minecraft borrowing from infiniminer
[23:25:54] <Stuzz> and.. hello
[23:26:00] <superbia> Stuzz: i say hi to you 2
[23:26:17] <manjaro-kde5-> Stealing is inovation
[23:26:20] <Stuzz> There's only one of me
[23:26:28] <superbia> it's bsd licenced so stealing is ok
[23:26:59] <manjaro-kde5-> well, its done.. i need to reboot.
[23:27:04] <superbia> be sure if somebody stole anything from windows (nothing in windows is their own, everything is borrowed) windows would sue their ass off im sure
[23:27:20] <manjaro-kde5-> EEE
[23:27:22] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: reboot and report back
[23:27:56] <manjaro-kde5-> if you dont hear from me two things happened. 1. i got bored 2. it didnt work 4. it didnt work.
[23:28:20] <TotalKrill> What is 3?
[23:28:24] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: or you got kidnapped by amazon woman
[23:28:26] <manjaro-kde5-> 3 didnt work
[23:28:35] <manjaro-kde5-> amazon woman ? ooo free delivery
[23:28:58] * TotalKrill gets kidnapped by cave woman
[23:29:02] <manjaro-kde5-> superbai more like super bae.
[23:29:06] <manjaro-kde5-> god speed everyone
[23:29:42] <superbia> TotalKrill: news on local news portal -> Amazon woman kidnapped 2 british tourists, and sex-tortured them for 2 weeks...   -->> comments from local folks: "Who want's to split the price of gas with me, i have the car"
[23:30:08] <manjaro-kde5-> may your kde widgets remain pointless and missing QML libraries !!
[23:30:14] <manjaro-kde5-> good bye.
[23:30:20] <superbia> manjaro-kde5-: oh i don't use kde
[23:30:29] <manjaro-kde5-> i3
[23:30:32] <manjaro-kde5-> im sure
[23:30:32] <superbia> nope
[23:30:35] <manjaro-kde5-> umm
[23:30:37] <manjaro-kde5-> unity ?
[23:30:42] <superbia> hint
[23:30:46] <superbia> i use no desktop environment
[23:30:58] <manjaro-kde5-> your ... Gnomeless ?
[23:31:08] <superbia> let me show you what i use
[23:31:12] <manjaro-kde5-> rude..
[23:31:15] <manjaro-kde5-> i wont click
[23:31:41] <superbia> http://dotshare.it/public/images/uploads/405.png
[23:31:41] <BugzBunny2> Didn't work, Didn't work, Didn't work -- signed w00t
[23:31:45] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/IaIKG8] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[23:32:14] <manjaro-kde5-> you have no window manager
[23:32:17] <superbia> i have
[23:32:23] <superbia> i just showed you a picture
[23:32:40] <manjaro-kde5-> well it looks like a tiling window manager or something
[23:32:46] <manjaro-kde5-> is that guy you ?
[23:32:52] <superbia> i am no guy
[23:32:58] <superbia> no guy can kill the witch king
[23:32:59] <manjaro-kde5-> well in the suit
[23:33:08] <superbia> no
[23:33:10] <superbia> go reboot
[23:33:17] <domker> sddm 0.14.x doesn't work good with external SmartTV connected via HDMI (nvidia g.card) :( - bug exist a few months
[23:33:37] <manjaro-kde5-> i would do but you keep distracting me
[23:33:38] <domker> Error LOG: domker-pc sddm-greeter[578]: Adding view for "HDMI-0" QRect(0,0 -2147483648x-2147483648)
[23:33:40] <manjaro-kde5-> bb
[23:33:43] <superbia> bb
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[23:34:11] <superbia> what a veruckt lad
[23:34:43] <superbia> propriatery nvidia drivers domker
[23:34:45] <superbia> ?
[23:35:04] <domker> yes
[23:35:10] <domker> 375.26
[23:35:42] <superbia> im trynig to google out your prob.. gime few minutes
[23:35:52] <domker> ok
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[23:40:20] <superbia> idk domker
[23:40:34] <superbia> i cant find an obvious reason
[23:40:45] <superbia> did it work before?
[23:41:23] <domker> i' downgrade to sddm 0.13.0-2 and oldes version works good. ( domker-pc sddm-greeter[575]: Adding view for "HDMI-0" QRect(0,0 1920x1080) )
[23:41:42] <superbia> if that works, you can blacklist this package from upgrading
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[23:42:58] <Aberts10> So... I installed manjaro net install.... I had issues... So i went over to anterogos, and installed that.... And man i think i just found my new love.
[23:43:24] <superbia> you know whaths the worst thing about antergos
[23:43:31] <Aberts10> superbia: whats that
[23:43:32] <domker> Old version 0.13: https://wklej.to/OiD16   New 0.14 https://wklej.to/YWMPK
[23:43:33] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/dnn4tR] Wklej.to - po prostu wklej to! - paste: OiD16
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[23:43:46] <superbia> domker: you have the old version in your cache
[23:43:56] <domker> yes
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[23:44:13] <superbia> easy procedure then
[23:44:18] <superbia> Aberts10: its even more shit than manjaro
[23:44:21] <domker> and i use it but new images have a new version of this package
[23:44:39] <Aberts10> superbia: lol... well... it runs much better... and its litterally just a arch installer pretty much
[23:44:53] <superbia> do you know the lock screen issue
[23:44:58] <superbia> it's in antergos :)
[23:45:14] <superbia> they didnt fix it in 2 year i think
[23:45:59] <Aberts10> superbia: well... its working fine
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[23:46:14] <Aberts10> superbia: just tested out all the basics... reboot, shutdown, logout, sleep, hibernate...
[23:46:14] <superbia> Aberts10: put stress on it
[23:46:30] <Aberts10> superbia: the login is a bit modified with a theme.... it looks amazing
[23:46:33] <superbia> systemctl hybrid-suspend
[23:47:25] <Aberts10> superbia: ... my first issue of the day :/
[23:47:34] <Aberts10> superbia: you jnxed it
[23:47:47] <superbia> it's ok i get it all the time
[23:48:04] <Aberts10> superbia: the taskbar is a tad off the bottom of the screen
[23:48:15] <superbia> so it's not working right?
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[23:48:33] <Aberts10> superbia: no its working fine... just a slight annoyance im going to see if i can fix
[23:48:46] <superbia> hybrid suspend works?
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[23:49:09] <Aberts10> superbia: yes
[23:49:18] <superbia> screen brightness
[23:49:25] <superbia> volume controls
[23:49:28] <superbia> the usual
[23:49:49] <Aberts10> superbia: yup
[23:50:05] <Aberts10> superbia: but i have no clue how to fix the overhang... is there overscan settings?
[23:51:05] <Aberts10> superbia: nevermind, all good now
[23:51:38] <superbia> want to feel super creepy?
[23:51:44] <superbia> check visudo :)
[23:51:53] <superbia> see how group wheel is all commented out
[23:52:09] <Aberts10> superbia: what theme does manjaro use for firefox?
[23:52:17] <superbia> i dont know
[23:52:22] <superbia> don't use firefox
[23:54:12] <mtn_> firefox has themes?
[23:54:35] <Aberts10> mtn_: yes, manjaro has a theme for firefox
[23:54:42] <Aberts10> mtn_: i dont remember the name of it
[23:55:25] <mtn_> Aberts10: I did not know that firefox had themes at all. I missed it.
[23:56:14] <mtn_> Aberts10: oh, you mean an addon for a theme?
[23:57:08] <Aberts10> mtn_: i think its called pale moon
[23:57:23] <mtn_> Aberts10: pale moon is a different app  altogether
[23:57:44] <flashback> hehe
[23:57:46] <flashback> hello!
[23:57:50] <flashback> i use manjaro xfce
[23:59:24] <Aberts10> ah no its not
[23:59:35] <Aberts10> mtn_: its called arc-firefox-theme-maia
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