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[02:07:33] <rhg135> hmm, mpv fullscreen crashes kvin
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[02:07:43] <rhg135> kwin*
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[04:33:03] <leo_rockway> how do you do, #manjaro ?
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[04:34:03] <LissajousPattern> interesting!
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[04:40:39] <leo_rockway> apparently IRC is fascinating!
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[05:31:42] <tomylee> Hey, maybe thats a little of topic, but maybe theres some nice VPN for free on manjaro ? ;)
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[05:43:17] <truepurple> hi
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[05:47:43] <truepurple> hello?
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[05:48:54] <truepurple> Could I please get some help? Anyone here?
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[05:58:21] <rhg135> truepurple: don't ask to ask here
[05:58:42] <rhg135> people tend to come and go anyway
[06:00:24] <truepurple> I was asking if anyone was here
[06:01:00] <truepurple> I use linuxpendrive or whatever, running this off the usb drive, how do i install to regular drive?
[06:01:10] <truepurple> How do I make the time, current?
[06:01:57] <rhg135> is that just a normal install onto a pen drive?
[06:02:19] <truepurple> pen drive means usb flash drive?
[06:02:46] <rhg135> in this context
[06:02:47] <truepurple> portable SSD?
[06:03:11] <truepurple> I don't know, I think you can install onto hard drive from it
[06:03:19] <truepurple> but how?
[06:03:42] <truepurple> Otherwise, how do I make something that can install from USB drive?
[06:03:45] <rhg135> how did you make this drive?
[06:04:11] <rhg135> !mw live usb
[06:04:11] <Botergos> I had no results for that query.
[06:04:19] <rhg135> hmm, much sadness
[06:04:29] <truepurple> www.pendrivelinux.com
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[06:05:38] <truepurple> i got to go for 45 minutes or so, but if you could leave me some information for when I come back, that would be appreciated
[06:05:40] <rhg135> seems, it's a normal install
[06:06:09] <truepurple> you dont think I can install to hard drive from it? What do I need to do so then?
[06:06:12] <rhg135> if so, just copy it over to a hard drive partiton
[06:06:29] <truepurple> you need to tell me how
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[06:08:18] <rhg135> I wish I remebered
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[06:17:36] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[06:18:38] <rhg135> yo
[06:18:51] <CountryfiedLinux> Wanted to buy a PS4 Pro, just couldn't do it.
[06:18:59] <CountryfiedLinux> Maybe it's the cost.
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[06:19:53] <rhg135> probably is
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[06:43:28] <sysadmin> Damn Neighbor
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[06:44:06] <CountryfiedLinux> I recently bought a pistol, so don't wanna spend too much too soon.
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[06:44:29] <CountryfiedLinux> But at the same time I don't wanna wait too long to buy a PS4 Pro too close to the release of the PS5.
[06:44:31] <BugzBunnyg> Andrea a fucking asshole
[06:44:38] <badbodh> CountryfiedLinux, howdy baldy. Got beer ?
[06:44:47] <BugzBunnyg> He is threat to the building
[06:44:50] <badbodh> Also, Happy New Year
[06:44:52] <CountryfiedLinux> badbodh, Nah, I don't drink these days.
[06:44:55] <BugzBunnyg> I tell my fucking Nehbor
[06:45:02] <badbodh> blasphemy!
[06:45:07] <BugzBunnyg> Don't fucking allow him in the building
[06:45:26] <BugzBunnyg> My last warning
[06:46:15] <badbodh> CountryfiedLinux, welp. When you choose gun over fun, don't whine about it :P
[06:46:28] <badbodh> save money for PS6 instead
[06:47:14] <CountryfiedLinux> badbodh, Gun purchase was more important actually.
[06:47:18] <CountryfiedLinux> Got a good deal on it too.
[06:51:03] <CountryfiedLinux> BugzBunnyg, Are you ok?
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[06:56:30] <CountryfiedLinux> Not me. :P
[06:56:58] <CountryfiedLinux> I wonder why game consoles don't have a disc changer inside. If you wanna play a different game you have to get up and swap them out.
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[06:57:19] <CountryfiedLinux> A 5 disc changing system would be nice.
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[06:58:21] <DrakkenWarr> hola gents
[06:58:43] <Stuzz> Just don't buy discs CountryfiedLinux.  Pretty simple
[07:00:13] <CountryfiedLinux> Stuzz, Got to for reselling later.
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[07:01:10] <Stuzz> uhuh.  You'll have to pull up with it then :(
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[07:02:37] <Stuzz> Any particular reason you only want a PS<something>
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[07:03:15] <mw42815> hello
[07:03:41] <Stuzz> hi
[07:04:15] <CountryfiedLinux> Stuzz, Because I don't like PC gaming as much.
[07:04:17] <mw42815> i have a question for the group .  if that is okay?
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[07:07:18] <mw42815> my question is about the recent announcement from Arch on dropping 32 bit support.  can anyone tell me manjaro linux standing on the issue .  i am curious because i have a laptop that has a 32 bit only cpu and would hate to go back to windoze...
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[07:09:43] <DrakkenWarr> I am sorry to say that with the current systemd stuffs you are out of luck mw42815
[07:09:54] <DrakkenWarr> though you could install gentoo
[07:10:13] <mw42815> bummer
[07:10:33] <BugzBunnyg> ask on the forums
[07:10:40] <BugzBunnyg> Drop 32bit
[07:10:45] <BugzBunnyg> I encourage it
[07:11:04] <DrakkenWarr> aye you might find a work around there..but 32bit is going the way of the dodo bird
[07:11:10] <BugzBunnyg> Come one, like you going to employ team to maintain 32bit
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[07:11:41] <DrakkenWarr> frack no you are not
[07:11:51] <DrakkenWarr> why the hell would you do that
[07:12:07] <mw42815> ok thanks
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[07:37:48] <truepurple> https://www.pendrivelinux.com can one install onto hard drive from that? Or how do I install from USB drive?
[07:37:51] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/RlOjuO] Boot and run Linux from a USB flash memory stick | USB Pen Drive Linux
[07:43:23] <truepurple> hello?
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[08:19:27] <truepurple> www.pendrivelinux.com can one install onto hard drive from that? Or how do I install from USB drive?
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[08:54:46] <truepurple> anyone know how to change settings so the monitor doesn't go dark every 5 minutes?
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[08:56:12] <truepurple> hi peetaur
[08:56:38] <truepurple> www.pendrivelinux.com can one install onto hard drive from that? Or how do I install from USB drive?
[08:56:58] <Jeannie> Have you looked at your systems/des energy options?
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[09:01:02] <truepurple> i see
[09:01:33] <truepurple> I got this gray box in the lower right hand of my screen covering things up, how do I get ride of it?
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[09:02:36] <truepurple> not even clear desktop gets ride of it
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[09:03:16] <truepurple> could I please get some help
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[09:03:41] <Jeannie> Got a screenshot?
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[09:05:28] <truepurple> I'll get one
[09:07:06] <truepurple> https://postimg.org/image/sg903tx8z/
[09:07:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/wT6N7Y] Screenshot_20170209_080620 — Postimage.org
[09:08:18] <Jeannie> Plasma 5, right?
[09:08:33] <truepurple> I dont know what that is
[09:08:42] <day|flip> it is
[09:09:11] <day|flip> breeze theme
[09:09:15] <Jeannie> Left click the gray box and keep the mouse button pressed for a while until a frame appears around the gray box
[09:09:32] <Jeannie> Its some kind of sticky note
[09:09:35] <ajh> konosuba. nice
[09:10:56] <day|flip> truepurple: it could try imgure or https://uploadit.us/ both are good site for image uploading. don't like how much postimg have change now
[09:10:57] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/e9wuV1] UPLOADIT.US - Secure Image Host
[09:11:18] <truepurple> How long is it suppose to take? Nothing is happening. Also when I click on time, a second gray box comes up overlaping with the other box making it even darker, but no time or anything shows up
[09:11:35] <truepurple> I already screenshoted it
[09:12:09] <day|flip> i wonder if kwin is acting up with you
[09:12:14] <truepurple> I cant screen shot the second time gray box, when I hit print screen, it closes before the screen shot is taken
[09:12:38] <day|flip> truepurple: what gpu do you have?
[09:13:03] <Jeannie> Or was it the right mouse button? Haven't had that on my plasma 5 for quite  while
[09:13:08] <Jeannie> quite a while even
[09:13:16] <truepurple> a independent video card, Id have to pull it out to try to see
[09:13:57] <truepurple> Right clicking does nothing as well
[09:14:19] <truepurple> Also, I still need help with installing majaro to my hard drive
[09:14:51] <day|flip> ahh. so this is live usb right
[09:15:13] <truepurple> yes
[09:15:28] <truepurple> www.pendrivelinux.com can one install onto hard drive from that? Or how do I install from USB drive?
[09:15:54] <day|flip> how to install live cd to usb on windows?
[09:16:02] <day|flip> or from another linux distro?
[09:16:04] <truepurple> BTW, I downloaded the manaro ISO this came from yesterday, so it's not dated or something
[09:16:25] <lucasem> day|flip: with a linux distro, just `dd if=manjaro.iso of=/dev/sdc`
[09:16:33] <lucasem> but replace /dev/sdc with the usb device
[09:16:40] <truepurple> with windows?
[09:17:06] <truepurple> does this mean I can't install from the pendrivelinux ?
[09:18:42] <day|flip> dd is best for linux. hell manjaro only support dd style. for gui "isousb" or "image-writer". this is for linux
[09:20:07] <day|flip> if you were using this to install manjaro iso to usb. this could be why your having weird gray out with time ect
[09:21:08] <day|flip> for windows. used "rufus" https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[09:21:10] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/lsKCDV] Rufus - Create bootable USB drives the easy way
[09:21:38] <truepurple> So I can't use pendrive to install from?
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[09:22:20] <CountryfiedLinux> good morning
[09:22:46] <day|flip> truepurple: are you comming from windows?
[09:23:01] <truepurple> sort of
[09:23:22] <truepurple> www.pendrivelinux.com can one install onto hard drive from that?
[09:23:45] <day|flip> tbh i never heard of them
[09:24:10] <day|flip> it better to used usb.
[09:24:23] <truepurple> I also can't click on anything under this annoying gray box
[09:24:46] <day|flip> how did you install the iso to usb?
[09:25:07] <truepurple> https://postimg.org/image/sg903tx8z/
[09:25:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/wT6N7Y] Screenshot_20170209_080620 — Postimage.org
[09:25:34] <truepurple> I downloaded the exe. I told it which distro it was, I pointed it to the distro
[09:25:46] <truepurple> I pointed it to the usb drive
[09:25:58] <truepurple> I click start
[09:28:28] <day|flip> my best susggestion. windows. install rufus. point it to the usb. and grab the iso. you want to used.
[09:28:40] <day|flip> rufus had never failled me
[09:29:23] <day|flip> w/e app you were using is not playing nice
[09:30:20] <truepurple> Is rufus just as good as dd?
[09:30:46] <day|flip> in a way it used it own dd. so it work for windows
[09:30:58] <Jeannie> imagewriter under linux works wel too
[09:31:01] <day|flip> witch is why it can work on just about any distro
[09:31:22] <day|flip> i don't see many distro supporting imagewriter
[09:31:43] <day|flip> isousb is another good one that used dd
[09:32:28] <truepurple> I mean should I load through the PC with the ISO on it with the USB live and than DD from that? Or should I just use rufus?
[09:32:41] <truepurple> does it make any real difference?
[09:33:53] <day|flip> just used what you think is easy. for me. rufus. i have it on my laptop for backup. incase something big fails on my main computer
[09:34:26] <BugzBunnyg> Jeannie: !!
[09:34:35] <BugzBunnyg> Jeannie: Wassup
[09:35:11] <BugzBunnyg> truepurple: Can the PC boot with with USB?
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[09:35:22] <BugzBunnyg> It's USB or Refus
[09:35:24] <BugzBunnyg> Dafuq
[09:35:52] <day|flip> he been having weird issue with kwin in the live session
[09:36:04] <day|flip> live cd
[09:36:05] <truepurple> bugs, hmmm?
[09:36:35] <truepurple> I am sure I can boot the other PC with this USB just the same
[09:37:37] <truepurple> day|flip: So they produce the same quality end product?
[09:38:06] <BugzBunnyg> No
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[09:38:19] <BugzBunnyg> But shit happens, Install it first
[09:38:25] <BugzBunnyg> Fucking installer is shit
[09:38:29] <BugzBunnyg> sometimes
[09:38:49] <BugzBunnyg> But once you install, it's not as bad
[09:39:10] <BugzBunnyg> When I say it's not as bad, I mean, progress is better
[09:39:26] <day|flip> i been noticing alot distro installer been meh. it not just manjaro. even though it some what unstable at times
[09:41:09] <truepurple> install rafus? suddenly this OS is lagging horribly, each keystroke is taking minutes to appear sometimes
[09:41:46] <BugzBunnyg> You fucking problem is not the Distrol
[09:41:55] <BugzBunnyg> What GPU do you have?
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[09:42:45] <Jeannie> irc is very unpleasant today
[09:43:28] <day|flip> Jeannie: you don't say?
[09:43:39] <BugzBunnyg> Jeannie: You speak!
[09:43:44] <truepurple> Id have to pull my video card to see if I can determine anything, I cant do that when my PC is on, not safely
[09:43:46] <BugzBunnyg> Now I have roses
[09:44:03] <Jeannie> No, i'll leave. trolls in every chennel
[09:44:08] <truepurple> why do you ask?
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[09:44:13] <BugzBunnyg> truepurple: It's not rule out the GPU is the problem
[09:44:21] <BugzBunnyg> truepurple: What the logs say
[09:44:39] <truepurple> This video card worked fine before
[09:44:52] <BugzBunnyg> What the logs say
[09:45:42] <truepurple> So should I boot from USB drive on PC with ISO and DD instead of rafas, or does it not matter?
[09:46:08] <BugzBunnyg> Read the logs, what do the logs say?
[09:46:16] <BugzBunnyg> If you don't know how, then ask
[09:46:24] <BugzBunnyg> btw /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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[09:49:21] <truepurple> logs for what? for which is better for installing?
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[09:49:30] <truepurple> That doesnt make any sense to me
[09:50:57] <truepurple> I opened that log, but I don't know what you want it for or what I am suppose to be looking for
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[09:59:11] <BugzBunnyg> truepurple: for you, use pastebin for people who may know..
[09:59:41] <BugzBunnyg> truepurple: The little you provide, the less I know I want to help
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[10:05:01] <truepurple> http://pastebin.com/neA7rjiC
[10:05:02] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/wSQEcb] [    14.915] (--) Log file renamed from "/var/log/Xorg.pid-1003.log" to "/var/lo - Pastebin.com
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[10:12:49] <BugzBunnyg> truepurple: I have read the problem you having again so I can fucking understand what's going on
[10:13:07] <BugzBunnyg> The Log looks okay, that's what I want to see
[10:13:25] <BugzBunnyg> Not, 'it doesn't work' bullshit
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[10:14:27] <BugzBunny> Ahh, is this log off the Live CD?
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[10:14:47] <BugzBunny> Didn't I say, install it, then come back
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[10:15:41] <day|flip> will we know he using some kind of amd gpu now.
[10:16:14] <day|flip> but no errors in the log
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[10:17:16] <truepurple> This is off the live usb, I asked which is better to use to install it
[10:18:53] <BugzBunny> truepurple: Did you verify the ISO
[10:19:01] <BugzBunny> and how did you image the USB?
[10:19:25] <negen> Work is making me go to college they are paying for it so that is nice had to take a compTIA exam today 220-901 passed it with a score of 765 which is a bit lower than I expected but I swear there are some trick questions in there
[10:19:39] <BugzBunny> As far as verify the ISO, the MD5 sum
[10:19:56] <BugzBunny> Windows?
[10:21:07] <truepurple> https://www.pendrivelinux.com is how I made the live USB
[10:21:10] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/RlOjuO] Boot and run Linux from a USB flash memory stick | USB Pen Drive Linux
[10:21:11] <negen> truepurple, you shouldn't have to pull your video card out to determine what type of video card you have
[10:21:44] <negen> if you are booted into the livecd of manjaro or any distro really i would think that lspci should give you the information your looking for
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[10:23:17] <negen> Etcher is a nice gui tool for people to turn iso images into bootable media
[10:23:18] <truepurple> I don't see what bearing any of that has to do with which method is better for installing to hard drive
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[10:23:59] <teeneebobby> truepurple, I am not attacking you mate
[10:24:07] <teeneebobby> Trust me, I am not
[10:24:11] <negen> Well I think it is important to determine what video card you have in order to decide if you will use free or non-free video drivers
[10:24:16] <teeneebobby> I want to fucking help you
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[10:24:38] <truepurple> I never said anyone was attacking me
[10:25:04] <BugzBunny2> truepurple, Did you verify the ISO
[10:25:09] <BugzBunny2> ?
[10:25:46] <BugzBunny2> !mw verify
[10:25:47] <Botergos> I had no results for that query.
[10:25:58] <BugzBunny2> !mw verify iso
[10:25:58] <Botergos> I had no results for that query.
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[10:26:10] <adamalii> hello
[10:26:23] <BugzBunny2> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (7.1 GiB Free) Swap: 6.9 GiB Total (6.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.4 GB / 43.3 GB (33.0 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD9x0/RX980 Host Bridge • Uptime: 4m 0s
[10:26:27] <adamalii> i am using manjaro-i3
[10:26:35] <truepurple> This is what lspi said for my video card VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV515 [Radeon X1300/X1550]
[10:27:02] <BugzBunny2> truepurple, Did you verify the ISO, thank you mate
[10:27:07] <BugzBunny2> That's useful
[10:27:12] <adamalii> i cant run anything with python3,python2 seems fine
[10:27:17] <BugzBunny2> But did you verify the ISO truepurple
[10:27:29] <BugzBunny2> Holdon while I look for instructions
[10:27:33] <adamalii>     from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
[10:27:34] <adamalii> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pkg_resources
[10:27:38] <adamalii> always output this
[10:28:41] <BugzBunny2> truepurple, https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=How-to_check_an_.ISO_MD5_checksum
[10:28:42] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/PODuhl] How-to check an .ISO MD5 checksum - Manjaro Linux
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[10:30:09] <BugzBunny2> truepurple, If you have questions, please ask, then we go from there
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[10:38:09] <BugzBunny2> I can't help like the AUDIO in Linux
[10:38:20] <BugzBunny2> Like
[10:38:25] <BugzBunny2> Same sound card
[10:38:40] <BugzBunny2> It's not I have a different sound card
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[10:38:59] <BugzBunny2> Hmmm
[10:39:08] <def1> How to lock screen ?
[10:39:14] <def1> on manjaro
[10:39:36] <geek> https://vizzzion.org/blog/2017/02/plasma-meeting-web-browsers-and-app-bundles/ chromium integration with plasma is coming *-*
[10:39:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ktvwqK] Plasma Meeting: Web, browsers and app bundles – sebas' blog
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[10:42:12] <BugzBunny2> geek, Jeanie is going to be mad
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[10:46:49] <geek> hehehe
[10:46:55] <day|flip> geek: i don't see how. since see have a i7. ram.. maybe 4gb. but still. she been bitch to much about it
[10:47:14] <day|flip> she have ***
[10:48:08] <BugzBunny2> Yeah I agree
[10:48:17] <BugzBunny2> She does bitch about it
[10:48:38] <BugzBunny2> but from her comments, I find she moves
[10:48:59] <BugzBunny2> day|flip, she do more talking shit but she ..
[10:49:10] <BugzBunny2> For Fuck Chrome a like browsers
[10:49:21] <BugzBunny2> I agree with her with that
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[10:50:02] <day|flip> from what i can tell. people are going be piss off when firefox 57 come out
[10:50:46] <ringo> tell :p
[10:51:04] <day|flip> chrome yea. it can go fk it self. chromium base. im ok with
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[10:56:37] <BugzBunny2> day|flip, But she can speak here
[10:57:10] <BugzBunny2> With that said, Chrome clone browsers
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[10:57:30] <day|flip> will she left the room
[10:57:32] <BugzBunny2> Not my think, it's what I like about about Palemoon
[10:57:40] <day|flip> think it was about trolls
[10:57:46] <day|flip> or something
[10:58:03] <BugzBunny2> day|flip, She, will back, I've been here for over 12 months
[10:58:12] <BugzBunny2> She never not come back
[10:58:40] <BugzBunny2> What I see, you treat her like shit
[10:59:11] <day|flip> will i did my best trying to help her find a better browser.
[10:59:20] <day|flip> that may work for her
[10:59:30] <BugzBunny2> It's her opinion
[10:59:42] <BugzBunny2> mate
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[11:00:55] <BugzBunny2> day|flip, She is very opinionated of what she like
[11:01:26] <day|flip> ya. that true. i just gave up on what web browser for her will work.
[11:01:40] <BugzBunny2> I never fucking tried
[11:01:45] <day|flip> lol
[11:01:57] <BugzBunny2> People like her, that's nothing you can do
[11:02:22] <BugzBunny2> but
[11:02:38] <BugzBunny2> She was here, I will tell her this
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[11:07:59] <BugzBunny2> After I am done listening to music
[11:08:30] <BugzBunny2> I will switch to Windows and LiveStream
[11:08:47] <day|flip> more fallout?
[11:09:03] <BugzBunny2> Nah, that's back burner for now
[11:10:12] <BugzBunny2> I really want to play wasteland 2
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[11:14:16] <r00tobo> hi guys \o/
[11:14:35] <r00tobo> does anyone know how to enable highlighting on my nick in konversation?
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[11:21:42] <thid> morning
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[11:31:15] <BugzBunny2> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor               (3.20GHz) • Memory: 7.9 GiB Total (5.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 860.4 GiB / 931.5 GiB (71.1 GiB Free) • VGA: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics • Uptime: 8m 10s
[11:31:47] <BugzBunny2> day|flip, Now I am going to play, but I need to setup
[11:32:03] <day|flip> ok
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[11:32:28] <day|flip> is obs playing nice?
[11:34:01] <BugzBunny2> I am gong to test stream to see if OBS even record wastland with my custom overlay
[11:34:21] <BugzBunny2> before I do that.. I need my second screen
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[11:36:14] <r00tobo> BugzBunny2: ewww!!!
[11:36:33] * r00tobo destroying BugzBunny2's Computer!
[11:36:56] <BugzBunny2> I payed for it
[11:37:03] <BugzBunny2> it needs to deliver
[11:37:21] <r00tobo> I will repair it but after installing Linux on it :v
[11:37:32] <BugzBunny2> Nope
[11:38:11] <r00tobo> install Manjaro XFCE!
[11:39:32] <BugzBunny2> Not going to fucking happen
[11:41:45] <r00tobo> why?
[11:41:46] <r00tobo> :v
[11:42:03] <BugzBunny2> I said so
[11:42:27] <r00tobo> "it needs to deliver"
[11:42:28] <r00tobo> ok
[11:42:30] <r00tobo> :v
[11:42:32] <r00tobo> + you paid for it
[11:42:46] <BugzBunny2> I mean the mobo and the GPU
[11:43:04] <r00tobo> I can see Win 10 installed on this machine!
[11:43:15] <Jeannie> You actually payed money for an AMD gpu?
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[11:43:26] <BugzBunny2> Shit, Jeannie Speaks
[11:43:41] <Jeannie> No, she just wrote something
[11:43:47] <r00tobo> :v
[11:44:03] <day|flip> my next computer is going be ryzen and amd gpu (first time owning a amd card :) )
[11:44:11] <BugzBunny2> What the fuck did I say I would tell Jeannie when she come back
[11:44:14] <Jeannie> Good luck
[11:44:27] <BugzBunny2> Ahhhh
[11:44:31] <BugzBunny2> I remember
[11:44:33] <day|flip> BugzBunny2: not sure. you pause your self
[11:44:34] <Jeannie> Before you wite anything
[11:44:40] <BugzBunny2> Jeannie, WE LOVE YOU
[11:44:43] <Jeannie> BugzBunny2!*@* wurde auf die Ignorierliste gesetzt.
[11:44:55] <BugzBunny2> K
[11:44:56] <thid> whats bad in amd gpu ?
[11:45:04] <BugzBunny2> Jeannie, WE LOVE YOU
[11:45:04] <Jeannie> Basically nothing
[11:45:15] <Jeannie> But theres more than just the hardware
[11:45:21] <thid> like ?
[11:45:26] <Jeannie> Drivers for example
[11:45:33] <thid> I have rx460 and have 0 problems
[11:45:45] <Jeannie> Lucky you
[11:46:08] <Jeannie> I wouldnt use an AMD gpu even if I was given mone with it
[11:46:13] <Jeannie> money even
[11:46:34] <BugzBunny2> Jeannie, But you comments about Nvidia
[11:46:38] <BugzBunny2> You know
[11:46:48] <BugzBunny2> I think you confused Jeannie
[11:47:00] <day|flip> could just by a old 60 to 70 computer with amd card in it :) and install linux on it
[11:47:16] <Jeannie> With what? radeon or catalyst?
[11:47:22] <day|flip> $60 to $70
[11:47:29] <thid> catalyst is not that bad
[11:47:39] <Jeannie> Unfortunately its dead...
[11:47:55] <thid> u can always mix amdgpu-pro
[11:48:04] <Jeannie> Not for old amd gpus
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[11:50:01] <BugzBunny2> Testing of OBS can capture Wasteland 2
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[11:52:25] <BugzBunny2> It can, not my GPU settings
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[11:53:32] <BugzBunny2> let me qit wateland 2
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[11:54:10] <BugzBunny2> I don't have quit, it works
[11:54:31] <BugzBunny2> Now, setup my mic
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[11:55:45] <BugzBunny2> I need coffee
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[12:07:05] <BugzBunny2> I finally got the mic to work in windows
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[12:07:14] <BugzBunny2> but seems like Ihave reboot
[12:08:28] <BugzBunny2> kay I fixed it
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[12:10:31] <BugzBunny2> First, Was getting Windows to select the proper mic
[12:10:54] <BugzBunny2> Then I use a different tool, unmute it
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[12:11:25] <BugzBunny2> I think I am pretty set
[12:11:34] <BugzBunny2> Hold on
[12:11:44] <BugzBunny2> I need Speedfan for the GPU
[12:11:52] <BugzBunny2> and I need to OC the GPU
[12:12:10] <BugzBunny2> actually, I don't need speed fan
[12:12:18] <BugzBunny2> But I need to OC the GPU
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[12:35:12] <BugzBunny2> alright https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3lgaL0HU3c
[12:35:13] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/N8VaNo] Let's Play Wasteland 2 Episode 1 (Commentary) [Partly Blind?] 1080p 60FPS - YouTube
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[12:45:18] <BugzBunny2> Alright time to play
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[15:49:25] <siapran> Hi
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[15:50:17] <siapran> My friend ugraded their desktop with a nvidia gtx 1070 GPU, and I have not been able to start a graphical session with it
[15:50:18] <rtyu> hello
[15:50:39] <siapran> I tried changing the kernel to linux49, updating the whole system
[15:50:41] <siapran> to no avail
[15:50:58] <rtyu> I just installed Manjaro
[15:51:29] <rtyu> on an laptop I had laying around
[15:51:30] <Jeannie> Afaik the nouveau driver doesn't support the nvidia 10x0 Series. Did you install with free or non-free drivers?
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[15:57:05] <siapran> yeah, my bad
[15:57:19] <siapran> I updated everything but forgot to set the new drivers with mhwd
[15:57:32] <siapran> it works now
[15:57:35] <siapran> thanks for the support
[15:57:41] <siapran> oh, while I'm at it
[15:57:42] <Jeannie> yvw
[15:58:02] <siapran> do you have the name of the latest default GTK theme?
[15:58:18] <siapran> because I like it on my new install at work but I can't remember which one it was
[15:58:18] <Jeannie> Sorry, no, Plasma 5 user here
[15:58:22] <siapran> darn
[15:59:04] <physkets> Adwaita?
[15:59:31] <Jeannie> Adwaita is simply the name of the default gnome 3 theme
[15:59:47] <physkets> yep
[16:00:02] <Jeannie> I think manjaro uses arc or something like that
[16:00:59] <physkets> Oh!
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[16:01:16] <siapran> ok
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[16:01:23] <physkets> rtyu: And?
[16:01:29] <siapran> I've found maia
[16:01:29] <siapran> which is nice enough
[16:01:38] <siapran> I'll try arc
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[16:02:08] <siapran> anyway, thanks for the help
[16:02:12] <siapran> have a good day
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[16:23:57] <Ceri_Philippe> hello i got some prob, i don't know how to activate nvidia proprietary drivers under manjaro :(
[16:24:23] <Ceri_Philippe> Graphics:  Card-1: Intel 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[16:24:23] <Ceri_Philippe>            Card-2: NVIDIA GM107M [GeForce GTX 960M]
[16:24:23] <Ceri_Philippe>            Display Server: X.Org 1.19.1 driver: intel
[16:24:23] <Ceri_Philippe>            Resolution: 1920x1080 at 60 dot 02hz
[16:24:23] <Ceri_Philippe>            GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Mobile
[16:24:24] <Ceri_Philippe>            GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.3
[16:33:33] <physkets> Ceri_Philippe: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Manjaro_Hardware_Detection
[16:33:34] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bSsdcQ] Manjaro Hardware Detection - Manjaro Linux
[16:36:25] <Jeannie> You can use mhwd via the manjaro-settings-manager
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[16:51:47] <Ceri_Philippe> thank you
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[16:58:11] <noraj> Manjaro is so magic for that :)
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[17:03:34] <joinrer> hi
[17:03:45] <joinrer> how do I know the font name of the terminus ?
[17:03:59] <joinrer> the formal name to be used in the .Xresources ?
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[17:04:22] <manjaroDeepin> hi
[17:04:28] <joinrer> Does anyone knows my problem
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[17:05:36] <NoBoDY2> Whats you Problem ?
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[18:08:15] <gawd> Ahoy !!
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[18:12:35] <truepurpl> Could I please get some help installing Manjaro with a USB drive
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[18:14:59] <truepurpl>  Could I please get some help installing Manjaro with a USB drive
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[18:17:43] <badbodh> yes
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[18:20:20] <badbodh> truepurpl anything else you wanna describe ?
[18:22:23] <truepurpl> I'm using windows, I got a bootable usb using www.pendrivelinux.com but I don'
[18:22:35] <truepurpl> don't know that I can install from that
[18:23:15] <truepurpl> Also, when I loaded it using that bootable, it acted funny, gray box that wouldnt go away and it slowed down and eventually froze up
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[18:24:30] <truepurpl> I was told a name of a program that's good for making a windows install USB but I forgot the name and since it froze I couldnt scroll back
[18:25:13] <badbodh> just download iso from manjaro.org , verify it (instructions bottom of download page) and flash the drive using "imageusb" app
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[18:26:29] <truepurpl> and my video card I am temporarily using is rv515/radepm x1300/x155 but long term will be a geforce 750ti after I get mine repaired
[18:26:58] <truepurpl> I already got the ISO
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[18:27:24] <badbodh> first prepare your usb bootable by officially recommended method, else none of us can help you
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[18:28:06] <badbodh> pendrivelinux.com is not "official" :)
[18:28:08] <truepurpl> I am asking about recommended methods, so kinda strange to say you won't tell me what do do unless I do what you say
[18:28:26] <badbodh> i just said it ^
[18:29:19] <badbodh> download iso from manjaro.org, verify iso , use "imageusb" or "rufus" to prepare usb drive
[18:29:29] <truepurpl> Is there a practical way to try out the different DE's so I know which one to use?
[18:29:30] <badbodh> 1-2-3-done
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[18:29:47] <physkets> truepurpl: badbodh wants to eliminate possible issues that might have crept in from the way you made the bootable USB
[18:29:50] <truepurpl> Is both imageusb and rufus equally effective?
[18:29:55] <badbodh> download each iso, and repeat 1-2-3
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[18:30:46] <badbodh> i have used both, they are legit. some use unetbootin which is meant for ubuntu, not other distros
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[18:31:08] <badbodh> hence i specified rufus and imageusb.
[18:31:14] <truepurpl> Are they equal in effectiveness?
[18:31:32] <physkets> define 'effectiveness'
[18:32:17] <physkets> I'd assume that there is no discernable difference
[18:32:32] <truepurpl> Do they both work just as well in installing? Are they equally good in speed, ease of understanding etc. Which one is better, rufus or imageusb?
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[18:32:45] <truepurpl> ok
[18:32:45] <badbodh> both of them can achieve identical results if you read their documentation
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[18:33:33] <physkets> these are not the distro installers; they're just the thing that puts the ISO on the USB and makes it bootable
[18:33:46] <badbodh> at least use one of them and ask us if you face difficulty. can't solve your imaginary issues
[18:34:09] <truepurpl> Surely there is a better way to check out each DE short of downloading the whole 2gb manjaro for each DE and imaging to a USB drive
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[18:34:52] <badbodh> surely there isn't. each iso is tailored for DE specific experience, they are unique
[18:34:53] <truepurpl> Badbodh, I am asking about this and listening to your words, saying "imaginary issues" sounds hostile and seems rude.
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[18:35:36] <wtiger> Hi! how do I switch from antegos gnome to manjaro gnome?
[18:35:38] <badbodh> that's hurtful. I'm spending time and effort to help you out
[18:35:54] <wtiger> keeping all the settings/preferences etc intact?
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[18:35:58] <truepurpl> right, and is it too much to ask that you also be friendly at the same time?
[18:36:42] <badbodh> you are entirely mistaken. this is a happy place, we are all friendly
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[18:37:09] <truepurpl> "imaginary issues" was opposite of friendly
[18:37:32] <physkets> wtiger: copy the /etc and the hidden files in your home directory... but not all
[18:37:33] <badbodh> clear your mind. stop being so self conscious, we all want you to have a successful manjaro installation
[18:38:17] <wtiger> physkets, but not all?
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[18:38:36] <truepurpl> Cant you remove a DE and add another without replacing the entire OS, before or after imaging/installing?
[18:38:56] <wtiger> truepurpl: yes you can
[18:39:02] <truepurpl> how?
[18:39:22] <wtiger> truepurpl: I'm guessing you're new to linux
[18:39:29] <truepurpl> Also what is the recommended live USB method?
[18:39:43] <truepurpl> Not entirely. I have some ubuntu experience
[18:39:45] <badbodh> first install another, log into that de, then remove the old one. But also fetch settings packages for specific DE
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[18:40:18] <badbodh> if you want manjaro branding that is. theme wallpaper firefox skins
[18:40:48] <truepurpl> Esthetics like that are not a big deal for me
[18:40:51] <wtiger> truepurpl: what do you have installed currently?
[18:41:05] <truepurpl> Determining best DE to use is far more important
[18:41:10] <badbodh> i said imageusb or rufus. try one of them and see for yourself
[18:41:58] <badbodh> as for DE it will take years before you settle down, then change very next day
[18:42:05] <truepurpl> I have manaro KDE downloaded. I have windows 7 I am running from. I also have a ancient version of ubuntu, but I dont want to run it because some files disappeared and I want to run file recovery on it
[18:42:09] <wtiger> physkets: can you advise what to skip from the hidden files in the home folder?
[18:42:26] <badbodh> don't overthink it
[18:42:35] <physkets> wtiger: yeah... check this out: https://github.com/rubo77/rsync-homedir-excludes/blob/master/rsync-homedir-excludes.txt
[18:42:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/RWItus] rsync-homedir-excludes/rsync-homedir-excludes.txt at master · rubo77/rsync-homedir-excludes · GitHub
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[18:42:53] <wtiger> physkets: thank you my good sir o/
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[18:43:24] <badbodh> truepurpl just boot into live and join this channel (from welcome window)
[18:43:26] <wtiger> and copy entire /etc over?
[18:43:35] <wtiger> physkets: ^
[18:43:37] <physkets> the ones towards the end that it excludes are things you can copy... like firefox. I don't know why that is in there
[18:43:47] <badbodh> ask is somebody can walk you through
[18:43:55] <badbodh> *if
[18:44:18] <badbodh> visit manjaro wiki and read the basics
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[18:44:43] <physkets> wtiger: as far as I know, yes...  but it'd be nice if someone else can confirm
[18:44:49] <wtiger> sure
[18:44:52] <badbodh> 'some ubuntu experience' to an arch based distro is quite a leap and won't be easy
[18:45:14] <badbodh> lots of reading and learning involved
[18:45:21] <wtiger> last time I did that(from desktop to my laptop; both antergos) i messed up some key permissions
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[18:45:32] <wtiger> i mean .ssh/.gpg keys
[18:45:45] <wtiger> there should be a system for that I guess..
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[18:46:18] <badbodh> wtiger you sent me pm . my pms are blocked, say stuff here
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[18:46:27] <wtiger> sure
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[18:47:13] <physkets> ah, .gnupg is copyable as long as you do it preserving permissions.
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[18:47:38] <badbodh> brb, shit break.
[18:47:41] <truepurpl> for verifying, use sha1sum. signature, or both?
[18:47:51] <badbodh> all
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[18:48:01] <truepurpl> more than those two?
[18:48:05] <badbodh> all
[18:48:15] <physkets> he means both
[18:48:19] <truepurpl> thanks
[18:48:37] <badbodh> there are just two ? :P it has been a while
[18:48:55] <physkets> :)
[18:48:56] <badbodh> we don't really download much iso on a rolling distro
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[18:49:50] <physkets> wtiger: say, if you're using rsync, make sure to use the -P option
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[18:52:53] <wtiger> physkets: umm can't think how I'd come to use rsync since I plan on reformatting the hard drive after taking a backup
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[18:53:35] <physkets> yes, so you could use rsync for the backing up and the restoration
[18:54:28] <physkets> you could also use cp, but look up the appropriate option that preservs permissions
[18:54:32] <wtiger> I see, so you rsync -P for both backing up and restoration?
[18:54:42] <wtiger> ah I see
[18:55:42] <physkets> that link I gave is a backup script
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[18:57:37] <physkets> wtiger: yep, look at the mainpage in that link
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[18:57:57] <truepurpl> OK I installed the recommended Raymond’s MD5
[18:57:58] <truepurpl> & SHA Checksum Utility and ran it on the ISO, but how do I check signature, I don't see that mentioned in the guide
[18:58:41] <wtiger> ok
[19:00:26] <physkets> truepurpl: I think that is mentioned on the website... in the Download section... at the very end
[19:02:45] <truepurpl> It doesn't
[19:03:01] <physkets> https://manjaro.org/get-manjaro/
[19:03:03] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7oQpre] Get Manjaro | Manjaro Linux
[19:03:22] <truepurpl> It doesn't
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[19:03:43] <physkets> at the end of the page...
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[19:04:07] <mike-zal> truepurpl: eveyrthing is there nicely layed out
[19:04:14] <truepurpl> Please read the according chapter (from page 19 onwards) in our Manjaro Beginners Guide on how to verify your downloaded install media. Beginning with our 16.06.1 release, we also provide gpg verifcation. Therefore you need to get the developer signatures from Manjaro.
[19:04:14] <truepurpl> Example:
[19:04:14] <truepurpl> wget https://github.com/manjaro/packages-core/raw/master/manjaro-keyring/manjaro.gpg
[19:04:14] <truepurpl> gpg --import manjaro.gpg
[19:04:14] <truepurpl> gpg --verify manjaro-xfce-16.10.3-stable-x86_64.iso.sig
[19:04:15] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/BVF1Io] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
[19:04:43] <physkets> truepurpl: why're you pasting all that here?
[19:04:47] <truepurpl> See, doesn't say
[19:04:52] <mike-zal> look for iso
[19:04:59] <truepurpl> That is a copy paste of the text at the bottom of the page
[19:05:06] <truepurpl> ?
[19:05:11] <mike-zal> truepurpl: everything is there, unless you have problem with a browser or eyes
[19:05:15] <physkets> yes, so those are the commands
[19:05:28] <physkets> you must execute to verify
[19:05:38] <physkets> the signature
[19:05:53] <truepurpl> its talking about gpg for one.
[19:05:58] <physkets> yes
[19:06:05] <truepurpl> not signature
[19:06:15] <mike-zal> truepurpl: you have 3 official flavors and all possible links to direct iso downloads or torrents. there are links to community flavors as well. everything is there
[19:06:25] <truepurpl> Also, does gpg work in windows\
[19:06:49] <physkets> gpg or GnuPG is an implementation of PGP, which can be used for signing
[19:07:09] <physkets> ah!, you're on windows...
[19:07:15] <truepurpl> I did not fully understand that
[19:07:24] <physkets> hmm... well, there is GnuPG for windows
[19:07:44] <truepurpl> what is it called?
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[19:08:01] <truepurpl> or do you mean built into windows?
[19:08:01] <physkets> You can read up about what PGP is from wikipedia
[19:08:09] <physkets> nono, not built in
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[19:08:16] <physkets> have to install separately
[19:08:28] <truepurpl> So what should I install, please give me a name
[19:08:29] <physkets> I think its called GPG4Win or something like that
[19:08:37] <physkets> just search
[19:09:03] <truepurpl> Whatever I find, i won't know if it is what you are recommending. You say do as you say, so I am asking
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[19:09:42] <truepurpl> is gpg4win a program you recommend for this?
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[19:11:04] <physkets> yes, but I've never used it, so I may not be able to help you with problems there..
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[19:11:11] <physkets> But let me just explain
[19:11:15] <physkets> one thing
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[19:11:33] <physkets> so you had to files the checksum and the signature
[19:12:05] <physkets> *two
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[19:12:26] <truepurpl> Do you folks know much about/recommend http://www.linuxliveusb.com?
[19:12:28] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7u1vTo] LinuxLive USB Creator
[19:13:09] <physkets> Okay, if verification is too much for you, just skip that step
[19:13:28] <truepurpl> well I already verified the first one
[19:13:45] <physkets> yeah, thats okay
[19:14:00] <physkets> you can proceed with creating the bootable USB
[19:14:02] <truepurpl> So you you arent going to explain your one thing?
[19:14:29] <physkets> just read up on PGP signatures later...
[19:14:55] <physkets> there's better resources out there explaining it, than I can manage on IRC
[19:15:14] <truepurpl>  Do you folks know much about/recommend http://www.linuxliveusb.com?
[19:15:14] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7u1vTo] LinuxLive USB Creator
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[19:15:39] <badbodh> nope
[19:15:56] <rhg135> physkets: if we went by that logic this channel would be empty lol
[19:16:07] <physkets> try it out if you want to... I've used it before for Ubuntu... don't know how it'll do for Mnajaro
[19:16:52] <physkets> rhg135: No, the IRC is more a pointer, not a full tutorial....
[19:17:06] <physkets> other than of course for troubleshooting and support
[19:17:19] <badbodh> lili works a bit different than dd, may or may not work
[19:17:53] <truepurpl> So it worked well for you for ubuntu, physkets?
[19:18:18] <physkets> I think so, long back...  maybe 5 or  6 year ago
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[19:18:46] <badbodh> any debian based distro does fine on lili. but try suse or gentoo, it whoopsies
[19:18:46] <physkets> Or was it OpenSUSE,...
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[19:20:46] <badbodh> rufus and imageusb work like dd (it frecks up your usb partitions and requires gparted etc to revert)
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[19:22:00] <physkets> truepurpl: why do you not want to use imageusb or rufus?
[19:22:21] <truepurpl> I will, but those don't create bootable USB drives, right?
[19:22:37] <physkets> they do
[19:22:44] <truepurpl> I mean running manjaro from the USB drive
[19:22:53] <physkets> they do
[19:22:57] <truepurpl> oh
[19:23:02] <physkets> yeah
[19:23:28] <truepurpl> well also virtualized on top of OS also seems interesting
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[19:25:06] <badbodh> physkets heh. looks like it has me on ignore or some shit. you hold the fort then, i'll jerk off elsewhere
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[19:25:57] <rhg135> I can't imagine why...
[19:26:09] <physkets> okey dokes
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[19:30:03] <truepurpl> "lili"?
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[19:31:03] <physkets> sure, try it out
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[19:32:12] <truepurpl> what is lili?
[19:32:28] <truepurpl> you mean linuxlive?
[19:32:50] <physkets> yep
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[19:38:14] <truepurpl> I downloaded installed and ran gpg4win, I tell it to verify checksum result and point it to the ISO, it says "Cannot find checksums for file...."
[19:41:07] <physkets> As I said earlier, you can skip this step, unless you really want to, in which case, you should readip about PGP
[19:41:16] <physkets> *readup
[19:41:53] <truepurpl> Well how risky is it to skip that step?
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[19:42:46] <rhg135> That depends on your isp
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[19:43:33] <truepurpl> How do you mean, rhg135?
[19:43:42] <neoranger> Hi, i have a question. The CLI was removed from lasted Manjaro ISOS?
[19:43:55] <truepurpl> My ISP is connected via cable to ethernet, not wifi, if that is what you mean
[19:44:02] <rhg135> It's deprecated, neoranger
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[19:44:19] <neoranger> rhg135: what's that?
[19:44:21] <truepurpl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy but reading that, doesn't tell me anything about using it
[19:44:22] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/u3avH2] Pretty Good Privacy - Wikipedia
[19:44:35] <rhg135> truepurpl: I mean the ISP itself, not the link
[19:44:46] <physkets> to use it, google more about it; the wiki will just be an intro
[19:44:53] <truepurpl> You mean what company provides my ISP?
[19:44:56] <rhg135> Some tend to drop packages or alter them
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[19:45:18] <physkets> rhg135: truepurpldid verify the checksum
[19:45:42] <truepurpl> century link is my ISP
[19:45:48] <physkets> so safe agains random errors
[19:46:05] <rhg135> neoranger: not for use anymore
[19:46:32] <physkets> truepurpl: what signatures protect you against is malicious modification
[19:46:35] <truepurpl> So if sha1sum means safe against random errors, what is signature for?
[19:46:49] <physkets> malicious intentional modifications
[19:46:55] <neoranger> rhg135: really? damn! It was the better installer for Manjaro. Calamares have many errors
[19:47:10] <rhg135> I know, neoranger
[19:47:14] <physkets> neoranger: I think the website still has a link to the CLI installer
[19:47:19] <rhg135> Much shame
[19:47:23] <truepurpl> I took it from the main website, doesn't that mean I am safe from malicious modification?
[19:47:29] <rhg135> They choked
[19:47:41] <neoranger> physkets: i will check
[19:48:05] <physkets> truepurpl: well, you downloaded it from sourceforge
[19:48:33] <physkets> that is a third party file hosting website
[19:48:57] <rhg135> If it's HTTPS you are decently safe in theory
[19:48:58] <truepurpl> You mean if someone replaced it and somehow replicated the sha1sum?
[19:49:05] <neoranger> physkets: for download Manjaro? use official site. It is a risk from another site
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[19:49:15] <rhg135> Idk about there though
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[19:49:26] <truepurpl> I used official site
[19:50:02] <physkets> truepurpl: exactly.. not replicated, they can just calculate the checksum for the modified version and give that to yo
[19:50:17] <truepurpl> I don't want to spend hours researching this signature thing, is there no simple way to just check signature?
[19:50:40] <physkets> rhg135: not necessarily; if sourceforge itself is malicious, then they can replace the file
[19:50:59] <physkets> neoranger: manjaro host the files on sourceforge
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[19:51:09] <physkets> truepurpl: no
[19:51:31] <neoranger> For everybody me and my team creates an application called MPIS (Manjaro Post Install Script). you can install it from AUR: yaourt -S mpis
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[19:51:38] <rhg135> Remember paranoia can be a hindrance to laziness :P
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[19:52:07] <truepurpl> or those that don't have all day to spend getting their brain melted
[19:52:38] <physkets> truepurpl: such people will have to forego some security features
[19:52:57] <truepurpl> Seriously though, isn'
[19:53:01] <physkets> If you have a linux around, it is very simple
[19:53:11] <rhg135> Also, remember to trust your host
[19:53:23] <physkets> just those three commands that you pasted here a while back
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[19:53:34] <truepurpl> isn't what you are talking about with malicious fakes incredibly unlikely though? Like being hit by lightening on a clear day unlikely?
[19:53:44] <physkets> Yes, it is unlikely
[19:53:53] <truepurpl> very?
[19:54:02] <physkets> I don't know
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[19:54:31] <physkets> I do not have the data to compute a probability on that
[19:54:52] <truepurpl> Besides, I would assume if someone had taken over sourceforge, someone in manjaro would have found out by now
[19:55:03] <physkets> maybe
[19:55:07] <rhg135> Not really, no
[19:55:11] <physkets> ..maybe not
[19:55:53] <physkets> Look, if you just want one of us to convince you that it is all fine, then that is not going to happen
[19:55:59] <truepurpl> Downloading via torrent more secure?
[19:56:05] <rhg135> But trust your host
[19:56:10] <rhg135> Yes
[19:56:23] <rhg135> Well sorts
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[19:56:52] <rhg135> It's harder to taint for sure
[19:57:02] <physkets> depends...  are you getting the torrent file also from sourceforge?
[19:57:08] <physkets> then...
[19:57:14] <physkets> its the same thing
[19:57:42] <physkets> as downloading the iso fro sourceforge
[19:57:44] <truepurpl> Of course the torrent file would also come from the official website, else how would I do it
[19:58:10] <physkets> exactly...  the only way to be perfectly sure is to verify the signature
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[19:58:25] <rhg135> I assume you never use the AUR?
[19:58:38] <truepurpl> And signature is is incredibly complicated I take it
[19:58:38] <physkets> unless the manjaro website gives you the torrent file and not sourceforge
[19:59:11] <truepurpl> AUR? Only aur I know is the sound of a dog trying to ask a question
[19:59:34] <rhg135> physkets I mean
[19:59:47] <rhg135> Being all paranoid
[19:59:49] <physkets> truepurpl: Just check: does the manjaro website give you the torrent file, or sourceforge?
[20:00:15] <truepurpl> Ill try downloading and check
[20:00:17] <physkets> rhg135: I'm just laying down facts...
[20:00:37] <physkets> :)
[20:00:37] <rhg135> I tend to get that way when I don't sleep for days too
[20:00:57] <rhg135> I even keep a tin hat nearby
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[20:01:11] <truepurpl> Yes, torrent file also comes from source forge
[20:01:12] <physkets> ha ha... I'm always that way...
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[20:01:24] <physkets> truepurpl: okay then theres that
[20:01:58] <physkets> either figure out how PGP signing works, or find a linux machine nearby to verify the iso
[20:02:32] <rhg135> Or don't be paranoid...
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[20:02:43] <physkets> yeah, or that
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[20:04:13] <truepurpl> well I dont want to waste a ton of time and mental energy on researching something complicated.  I could install it on lili and use that to check the sig, would that work?
[20:04:39] <manjaro-web|2276> I have some graphics card driver related issues on manjaro... I just installed it and im a complete beginner to arch... I had some issues before but i managed to install the nvidia drivers by hand though im having some issues... One is running steam... http://pastebin.com/DBAyRLGL ... And the other is low FPS (minecraft)...
[20:04:40] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/KsazxN] [Bash] driverissuesmanjaro - Pastebin.com
[20:06:23] <truepurpl> Hey, here is a thought. So the only real concern is if say someone hijacked sourceforge. That means it would be the same for everyone. I don't need to check sig, as long as someone else does on my behalf
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[20:06:58] <physkets> truepurpl: not really, because that way of doing it means that you trust what you put on lili
[20:07:33] <physkets> Sure, but that isn't necessarily true either. sourceforge can serve different files to different IPs
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[20:08:31] <truepurpl> even if it can, I imagine it wouldn't typically. And someone wanting to compromise many systems wouldnt selectively give people legit copies
[20:09:01] <truepurpl> So would someone please check sig on recent download?
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[20:10:50] <physkets> oh if thats all you want, then you can go ahead... I'm sure someone's checked...
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[20:12:09] <truepurpl> go ahead?
[20:13:45] <physkets> with the next steps in the guide
[20:14:13] <truepurpl> You mean skip sig? You won't do that for me then?
[20:15:14] <physkets> I'd blow my datacap if I download the iso now
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[20:15:42] <BugzBunny2> You mean md5sum or GPG?
[20:16:08] <physkets> gpg
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[20:16:43] <BugzBunny2> Okay, and the problem is?
[20:17:27] <truepurpl> I already did md5sum, but checking sig on windows is apparently absurdly complicated, so I was hoping someone else would check sig on a recent download
[20:17:48] <truepurpl> I mean I already did sha1sum
[20:17:48] <BugzBunny2> Oh lol
[20:18:02] <BugzBunny2> Did you downloaded it from sourceforge?
[20:18:09] <truepurpl> yes, from official site
[20:18:26] <truepurpl> but if someone had hijacked the sourceforge account or something...
[20:19:06] <BugzBunny2> The Manjaro team would put it in the security report on the Forums
[20:19:27] <truepurpl> That's what I thought, but they said they might not necessarily know
[20:20:46] <truepurpl> So really, there is no reasonable reason to check sig, its a precaution for something rarer than lightening on a clear day or winning the lottery, right?
[20:20:54] <BugzBunny2> But you have every right to double check, but me checking, and lie to you it's safe vs you checking and reassure yourelf.. You understand what I am saying? I never heard a complaint about Manjaro being hacked and what not... But you can try Cgywin GPG
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[20:22:52] <truepurpl>  "but me checking, and lie to you it's safe vs you checking and reassure yourelf.." I didn't understand that
[20:23:16] <BugzBunny2> You asking _other_ people to download and check the sig
[20:23:29] <truepurpl> yes?
[20:23:34] <BugzBunny2> What assurance do _you_ have what they say is the truth ?
[20:25:04] <truepurpl> Nothing, but why would they lie, there is a chance, but for one incredibly unlikely event to line up with another unlikely event, reduces my risk to infintesmal
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[20:25:58] <BugzBunny2> You mean, why we would lie
[20:26:02] <truepurpl> yes
[20:26:26] <BugzBunny2> BTW, I can assure, AFAIK, manjaro iso are safe from sourceforge
[20:26:27] <truepurpl> unless you were the amazing hackers that took over source forge and then hung around IRC just to fool newcomers...
[20:26:40] <BugzBunny2> Manjaro? muahahahahahahahhahaha
[20:26:46] <physkets> truepurpl: exactly
[20:26:50] <BugzBunny2> Maybe ArchLinux
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[20:26:58] <BugzBunny2> Fedora, Ubuntu
[20:27:06] <CountryfiedLinux> good morning
[20:27:19] <BugzBunny2> CountryfiedLinux, I went to sleep, it was super warm
[20:27:29] <BugzBunny2> CountryfiedLinux, Woke up this morning, 2 inch snow
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[20:27:46] <BugzBunny2> I wish the weather would make up it's mind!!!
[20:28:09] <truepurpl> So has someone sig verified a recent download? Or willing to do so? Or is sig verifying one of those absurdly unnecessary paranoid things so no one will bother for me?
[20:29:13] <BugzBunny2> truepurpl, I want 50$, send it via paypal.com
[20:29:21] <BugzBunny2> And I will check :-p
[20:29:59] <truepurpl> Sure, 50 cookies coming your way, 999950 more and you win the internet
[20:31:10] <BugzBunny2> xD :)
[20:31:31] <truepurpl> So seriously, so is sig verifying one of those absurdly unnecessary paranoid things?
[20:31:42] <BugzBunny2> It's not, but
[20:31:44] <BugzBunny2> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor               (3.20GHz) • Memory: 7.9 GiB Total (4.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 860.3 GiB / 931.5 GiB (71.2 GiB Free) • VGA: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics • Uptime: 9h 8m 38s
[20:32:00] <BugzBunny2> For me to do it, I would have go through the same headace as you
[20:32:34] <BugzBunny2> Sooooooooooooooooooo.... but I can assure, not #alternativefacts, that it's safe :)
[20:32:39] <truepurpl> no, I dont have linux to do it on, and apparently it takes hours of research or something to know how to do it through windows
[20:32:53] <BugzBunny2> I suggested Cygwin GPG
[20:33:27] <truepurpl> That works easy?
[20:33:27] <gawd> I think firefox didnt load something right..
[20:33:38] <truepurpl> .gpg4win was recommended, but it doesnt work or something
[20:34:06] <gawd> Page has a "Contact Us" link thats not on the bar..
[20:34:08] <CountryfiedLinux> BugzBunny2, I'm not a big fan of the snow. It's nice to look at though.
[20:34:15] <CountryfiedLinux> Especially on the mountain trees.
[20:35:09] <truepurpl> BugzBunny2, you tried  Cygwin GPG and know it works easy for sig verifying?
[20:35:12] <BugzBunny2> truepurpl, Yes, just install Cygwin, launch the console, then you have bash
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[20:35:34] <BugzBunny2> make sure, in Cygwin setup, you select GPG
[20:35:53] <truepurpl> Ok, Ill install it and ask you if I have any questions, please stick around a short time
[20:36:17] <BugzBunny2> Then, it's _almost_ like Linux (missing the Linux kernel), functions like typical BASH shell
[20:37:02] <BugzBunny2> CountryfiedLinux, I want to see 10 foot, mind taking out the powerlines, my internet
[20:37:06] <BugzBunny2> I don't mind!!
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[20:37:59] <truepurpl> Oh, it goes by Gpg4win under windows, so I already installed it
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[20:38:24] <truepurpl> but it doesn't work or I dont know how to make it work
[20:38:40] <BugzBunny2> gpg4win is not Cygwin with gpg
[20:39:01] <BugzBunny2> Gpg4win may package Cygwin, but Cygwin with GPG is a different setup
[20:39:17] <CountryfiedLinux> BugzBunny2, In my case for that, whoever is at work at the time would not be going home anytime soon.
[20:39:21] <truepurpl> https://www.gnupg.org/download/index.en.html so one of these downloads?
[20:39:22] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/u1yrOt] GnuPG - Download
[20:39:24] <CountryfiedLinux> I'd hate to have to be at work for days.
[20:40:10] <BugzBunny2> truepurpl, http://www.cygwin.com/
[20:40:12] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/C2y0GN] Cygwin
[20:40:37] <BugzBunny2> CountryfiedLinux, Overtime pay, np :-p
[20:42:03] <truepurpl> LOL on there being a signature verification for the program I need for signature verification
[20:43:09] <CountryfiedLinux> BugzBunny2, But on a regular shift my back is in pain already. A double shift I feel like I'm gonna die. Much longer than that I would be in really bad shape.
[20:44:12] <physkets> truepurpl: the rabbit hole goes round and round...
[20:44:15] <truepurpl> So that install is everything i need for sig verifying?
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[20:45:52] <CountryfiedLinux> Looking forward to good days ahead though. We're making America great again. :D
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[20:47:05] <BugzBunny2> I avoiding the news for now :-p
[20:47:38] <truepurpl> Don't you know dying patients can have moments of greatness before death?
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[20:48:05] <truepurpl> BugzBunny2 So that install is everything i need for sig verifying?
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[20:48:44] <BugzBunny2> take a leap of faith
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[20:51:39] <truepurpl> which package do I want to install BugzBunny2?
[20:52:17] <truepurpl> just leave default everything and go next?
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[20:52:40] <physkets> as he said include gpg
[20:52:55] <truepurpl> I dont see that on the list
[20:53:20] <physkets> oh, okay, then maybe it comes later..
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[20:53:42] <truepurpl> so this strange list that includes the names of DEs, do I leave everything at default?
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[20:58:55] <truepurpl> BugzBunny2?
[20:59:58] <BugzBunny2> Cygwin?
[21:00:07] <truepurpl> yes
[21:00:16] <BugzBunny2> yes
[21:00:31] <truepurpl> "select packages" leave everything on default and go next?
[21:01:09] <rhg135> Is cygwin unaltered though?
[21:01:18] <truepurpl> ?
[21:01:50] <rhg135> Pay no nevermind
[21:01:51] <BugzBunny2> Not going to hand hand mate
[21:01:58] <BugzBunny2> hand hold*
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[21:02:18] <truepurpl> was that yes to my question BugzBunny2?
[21:02:37] <truepurpl> It's not "holding my hand"
[21:02:40] <truepurpl> it
[21:02:42] <truepurpl> It
[21:02:52] <truepurpl> It's telling me what I need to know to do this right
[21:03:23] <truepurpl> yes/no, or something else, please BugzBunny
[21:03:50] <BugzBunny2> I said yes, but make sure you select GPG
[21:04:27] <BugzBunny2> There is videos on Youtube to help you walk through it, they is also plenty of guides as well
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[21:06:24] <truepurpl> there was no
[21:06:29] <truepurpl> "CPG
[21:06:32] <truepurpl> to select
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[21:07:10] <physkets> look man, you're just wasting time on this; just make the bootable USB
[21:07:30] <physkets> figure things out...
[21:07:37] <physkets> and the next time verify sigs
[21:07:48] <physkets> ..take your time
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[21:08:08] <BugzBunny2> I feel the same, but I don't want to be fucking rude
[21:08:12] <truepurpl> I was told checking sig wasnt unreasonably paranoid, so i want to make sure to do it right. Besides, if my system is compromised, then there wont be a next time easily
[21:08:56] <BugzBunny2> Even after _you_ install Manjaro, you can still _verify_ each file
[21:09:05] <BugzBunny2> with pacman
[21:09:12] <BugzBunny2> What waste of time bro
[21:09:23] <BugzBunny2> plus, I am tired, and I am getting grumpy
[21:09:30] <manjaro-web|5442> i just installed manjaro, can anyone tell me why their is already a password installed
[21:09:48] <gawd> Does Firefox have a forum ??
[21:10:05] <CupOfCoffee> gawd try googling it
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[21:11:18] <truepurpl> I figure if the OS is compromised, verifying individual files is rather pointless, I dont even entirely know what you mean by that though
[21:11:19] <rhg135> well, that was nice :P
[21:12:08] <truepurpl> well cygwin is installed, now I just need to figure out what command to enter into this terminal
[21:12:32] <truepurpl> I already went this far
[21:14:37] <rhg135> the newest version of ff, the one in testing, breaks vimperator btw
[21:14:37] <gawd> Not sure what topic to put it under
[21:15:07] <rhg135> downgrading works fine
[21:15:24] <rhg135> too lazy to post on the forum or tracker
[21:17:07] <manjaro-web|5442> hello
[21:17:36] <physkets> truepurpl: okay then run the commands from the website
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[21:17:46] <truepurpl> Those commands at the bottom of this page https://manjaro.org/get-manjaro/ aren't working for verifying sig
[21:17:47] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7oQpre] Get Manjaro | Manjaro Linux
[21:18:13] <physkets> what error is it giving?
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[21:19:50] <manjaro-web|5442> did anyone else have a password when they installed manjaro because i didnt set one and their is one
[21:21:02] <Strit_Laptop> manjaro-web|5442: users have to have passwords.
[21:21:21] <manjaro-web|5442> the usr is manjaro
[21:21:26] <peetaur> manjaro-web|5442: try password manjaro
[21:21:27] <Strit_Laptop> You might have chosen autologin, but you still need a password to for admin stuff.
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[21:22:02] <peetaur> and with physical acces, you can regain root access with a simple reboot and init=/bin/bash ... no need to reinstall
[21:23:20] <truepurpl> $ wget https://github.com/manjaro/packages-core/raw/master/manjaro-keyring/manja                                                                            ro.gpg
[21:23:21] <truepurpl> gpg --verify manjaro-kde-16.10.3-stable-x86_64.iso.sig-bash: wget: command not f                                                                            ound
[21:23:22] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/uXzSnl] (link was unresponsive: https://github.com/manjaro/packages-core/raw/master/manjaro-keyring/manja)
[21:23:38] <truepurpl> $ gpg --import manjaro.gpg
[21:23:38] <truepurpl> gpg: can't open `manjaro.gpg': No such file or directory
[21:23:38] <truepurpl> gpg: Total number processed: 0
[21:23:40] <manjaro-web|5442> that worked, thankyou
[21:24:34] <truepurpl> physkets those errors
[21:25:28] <jirido> Hi. So I so want this new hot palemoon 27.1 with ffmpeg instead of this buggy gstreamer  https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/palemoon/ , is this a precompiled binary or is this gona freez and crash my computor bt compiling from git?
[21:25:31] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/pGJDtG] AUR (en) - palemoon
[21:26:14] <rhg135> I'm guessing source
[21:27:04] <jirido> bahh..I tried it before and I well.. restarted
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[21:29:55] <truepurpl> physkets?
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[21:33:04] <physkets> truepurpl: to gpg says that is can't find the file... so the wget didn't work...  maybe download it by going to that link?
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[21:46:29] <BugzBunny2> I am starving
[21:46:53] * BugzBunny2 needs to walk in the snow!! muahhahhaa **cries**
[21:48:10] <physkets> truepurpl: what happened?
[21:52:58] <NanoSector> bah, gotta claim warranty for my motherboard
[21:53:04] <NanoSector> can stuff like, not break
[21:53:24] <NanoSector> like plzkeepworking kthxbai
[21:53:39] <BugzBunny2> Gigabyte?
[21:53:41] <BugzBunny2> :-p
[21:54:22] <NanoSector> yes
[21:54:28] <NanoSector> first gigabyte board in years to fully fail on me
[21:54:47] <rhg135> sounds like an amd chipset that melted to me
[21:54:55] <rhg135> or caught fire...
[21:54:59] <NanoSector> that's what happneed to my first pc
[21:55:00] <BugzBunny2> You mean intel
[21:55:27] <NanoSector> both intel and amd have protection against taht now
[21:55:42] <rhg135> good
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[21:56:24] <BugzBunny2> Nope, Intel fails like 99% of the time
[21:56:32] <BugzBunny2> AMD, something the user did XD
[21:57:00] <rhg135> like turning it on XD
[21:57:03] <NanoSector> did the user power it on?
[21:57:04] <NanoSector> haha
[21:57:07] <NanoSector> great minds think alike
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[21:58:17] <multideepin> hey all, in manjaro when you choose an application to run on startup, what does actually happen in the background so it makes it run on startup? in which file does it get configured
[21:59:31] <rhg135> same as in any xdg de: it creates an autostart .desktop file
[21:59:37] <Jolt2bolt> multideepin, well it will execute the program immediately after the WM and the desktop is loaded and rinning
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[22:00:11] <Jolt2bolt> multideepin, but that depends if you are using a WM or a DE!:P
[22:01:10] <multideepin> how does it make this autostart .desktop file, do you have any documentation or something i can read on
[22:01:26] <Jolt2bolt> normally in the DE have their GUI configuration window to make the DE start up aplication while the WM use a config file so to know what to do you have to tell us what edition of manjaro you're using
[22:01:33] <rhg135> yeah, read the .desktop spec
[22:02:02] <Jolt2bolt> .desktop?
[22:02:34] <multideepin> OS: Manjaro 16.10 Fringilla DE: Deepin 15.4 WM: Deepin WM
[22:02:42] <multideepin> right off screenfetch
[22:02:51] <rhg135> yeah, those files describe an application
[22:03:12] <rhg135> in certain places they start at login
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[22:07:42] <manjaroCinnamon> Anyone able to provide some basic bash insight?
[22:07:54] <manjaroCinnamon> How do you echo a string that has ' and " in it as characters?
[22:09:13] <NanoSector> escape them wtih backslashes
[22:09:17] <NanoSector> so \' and \"
[22:09:21] <BugzBunny2> yup
[22:09:22] <manjaroCinnamon> Hm...
[22:09:35] <manjaroCinnamon> But...if there's already some \s in there?
[22:09:47] <manjaroCinnamon> It's basically ascii art, I'm trying to echo it in a script.
[22:09:56] <Jolt2bolt> umm I never use deepin, but deepin have a configuration dash, did you search in there?
[22:09:58] <ajh> it should be fine
[22:09:59] <BugzBunny2> Like "Wow, 'blaha ahhahahahahaah', \"blhahahaha\""
[22:10:03] <NanoSector> escape \ with \
[22:10:04] <NanoSector> so \\
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[22:10:08] <manjaroCinnamon> Oh, ok.
[22:10:29] <manjaroCinnamon> It's going to be tricky to keep the ASCII art together, hah.
[22:10:44] <manjaroCinnamon> I wish there was a way to just tell echo not to interpret those characters.
[22:11:03] <BugzBunny2> I think bash, has some printf, dunno if it will help, to extra crazy stuff
[22:12:08] <manjaroCinnamon> Never used print f, might try.
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[22:12:35] <BugzBunny2> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2500436/how-does-cat-eof-work-in-bash
[22:12:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Cd9uyp] linux - How does ` cat << EOF` work in bash? - Stack Overflow
[22:12:50] <BugzBunny2> printf is one word ^^
[22:13:46] <manjaroCinnamon> echo '            ,--'___`--,            '
[22:13:55] <manjaroCinnamon> That's an example of what I'm trying to do.
[22:14:11] <manjaroCinnamon> Well, except the outside quotes are "
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[22:14:40] <NanoSector> ,--\'___\'--,
[22:15:24] <manjaroCinnamon> So the \ wouldn't display, meaning the art should come out ok, right?
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[22:19:53] <NanoSector> manjaroCinnamon: yes
[22:20:32] <manjaroCinnamon> Ok, cool. I'll work away at it! Thanks.
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[22:29:28] <manjaroCinnamon> Just came to say cat << "EOF" worked perfectly.
[22:29:41] <manjaroCinnamon> Don't know who recommended it anymore, but thanks!
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[22:44:55] <Yoda_> hi
[22:45:17] <Yoda_> I question for all those who are familiar with lxde or lxqt
[22:45:32] <Yoda_> trying to get root in a directory
[22:46:37] <mtn_> Yoda_: you mean using your file manager?
[22:47:11] <Yoda_> yes
[22:47:20] <Yoda_> pacfilemanager
[22:47:36] <mtn_> Yoda_: does right click give you an option to open as root or admin?
[22:48:47] <Yoda_> wait
[22:48:50] <Yoda_> I will show
[22:48:58] <Yoda_> looking for screen shot
[22:49:07] <mtn_> Yoda_: is that a yes or a no? I don't need a screenshot
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[22:51:43] <Yoda_> no
[22:51:54] <Yoda_> there is no option unlike xfce
[22:52:14] <mtn_> Yoda_: then your other option is to open the file manager as root. so: gksudo programname
[22:52:14] <Yoda_> it has root under gksu
[22:52:20] <Yoda_> didnt work
[22:52:20] <truepurpl> physkets are you still there?
[22:52:32] <mtn_> Yoda_: do not use sudo, use gksu or gksudo
[22:52:43] <Yoda_> so I tried using lxsu
[22:52:47] <Yoda_> didnt work
[22:52:54] <Yoda_> doesnt work
[22:52:58] <Yoda_> cause its not in the system
[22:52:59] <mtn_> Yoda_: what doesn't work?
[22:53:02] <Yoda_> I tried installing
[22:53:05] <Yoda_> with no luck
[22:53:24] <truepurpl> Someone available to help me figure out how to check signature on manaro ISO?
[22:53:45] <mtn_> truepurpl: how many hours have you been messing with this?
[22:54:26] <truepurpl> Are you willing to help mtn_?
[22:54:53] <mtn_> truepurpl: no. I think you have had all the answers you need.  no need to be so paranoid, either, in my opinion
[22:55:10] <mtn_> Yoda_: you try running mc as root. that might be good enough for you.
[22:55:14] <truepurpl> I was told it wasn't
[22:55:20] <truepurpl> "so paranoid
[22:55:41] <Yoda_> ok Ill try
[22:55:48] <mtn_> truepurpl: I have used linux for 20 years, never checked a download iso, and never had a problem
[22:55:53] <Yoda_> wonder why they made it difficult to gain root
[22:55:58] <Yoda_> to protective
[22:56:19] <truepurpl> Others said there is reason to check sig, so you won
[22:56:19] <Yoda_> reason why I like xfce
[22:56:20] <mtn_> truepurpl: so, it sounds paranoid to me ;)
[22:56:26] <truepurpl> won't help then?
[22:58:42] <truepurpl> Yoda_, what DE are you having difficulty with?
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[23:01:28] <Yoda_> lxqt
[23:01:48] <Yoda_> not able to gain root
[23:02:13] <Yoda_> so im installing midnight commander, hope doesnt give me issues :P
[23:02:28] <truepurpl> maybe use KDE
[23:02:43] <truepurpl> midnight commander a DE?
[23:03:02] <Yoda_> its a file manager
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[23:03:29] <Yoda_> I am trying to use a minimal OS cause Im using a netbook
[23:03:30] <truepurpl> Have you used it before? Do you recommend it?
[23:03:36] <truepurpl> ah
[23:03:42] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[23:03:54] <Yoda_> I am testing
[23:04:15] <truepurpl> hi CountryfiedLinux, would you be willing to help me check sig?
[23:04:28] <CountryfiedLinux> truepurpl, check what?
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[23:04:39] <truepurpl> I got what I need installed, now I just need to know what commands to enter
[23:04:43] <mtn_> Yoda_: you said yould not install gksu, is that right?
[23:04:50] <truepurpl> signature of the manjaro ISO
[23:04:53] <Yoda_> I tried
[23:04:55] <Yoda_> installing it
[23:05:03] <Yoda_> using octopi
[23:05:09] <mtn_> Yoda_: it is in the package manager, was that how you were trying to install it?
[23:05:09] <Yoda_> didnt allow it
[23:05:14] <Yoda_> some bs reason
[23:05:21] <mtn_> Yoda_: what was the real error?
[23:06:03] <Yoda_> pacfm tricked me to believe I had the option to gain root
[23:06:09] <Yoda_> it has on the menu list
[23:06:13] <Yoda_> root
[23:06:15] <Yoda_> so I clicked
[23:06:21] <Yoda_> and it said gksu
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[23:06:36] <mtn_> Yoda_: why could you not install gksu with octopi? what error did you get?
[23:06:41] <mtn_> oh well
[23:06:59] <truepurpl> CountryfiedLinux, I downloaded and installed cygwin64, but I need to know what commands to enter to check signature on ISO
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[23:07:59] <CountryfiedLinux> truepurpl, I haven't used that before.
[23:08:13] <Yoda_> got dropped
[23:08:20] <mtn_> Yoda_: why could you not install gksu with octopi? what error did you get?
[23:08:30] <Yoda_> let me try again wait
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[23:09:33] <truepurpl> well what commands would I use if in a normal linux to check sig, CountryfiedLinux?
[23:09:43] <Yoda_> error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
[23:09:44] <Yoda_> Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
[23:09:44] <Yoda_> Command finished with errors!
[23:09:48] <CountryfiedLinux> I don't know truepurpl I haven't used it before.
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[23:10:12] <truepurpl> you've never checked signature of a ISO before?
[23:10:34] <mtn_> Yoda_: now, is that doing an upgrade or an install? and does it show gksu as already installed?
[23:10:48] <Yoda_> it is not installed
[23:10:56] <Yoda_> I checked
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[23:11:15] <mtn_> Yoda_: how does octopi show it as installed? yes or no?
[23:11:42] <Yoda_> it doesnt show its installed
[23:11:56] <truepurpl> CountryfiedLinux,  you've never checked signature of a ISO before?
[23:12:16] <j09> Hey folks. I'm trying to get the Handy H4n set up as a mic on Linux. The Linux audio wiki said it should work on Linux with no issues. The device appears on pauvaudio but there's no input audio levels. Can anybody help?
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[23:12:19] <mtn_> Yoda_: in a terminal: sudo pacman -Syu gksu      what is the output? do not paste here, by the way!
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[23:12:44] <mtn_> j09: did you check the profiles in the config tab?
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[23:13:01] <Yoda_> ok
[23:13:57] <Yoda_> says the same as before
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[23:14:32] <mtn_> Yoda_: paste the entire output to dpaste.com and give us the link
[23:14:47] <Yoda_> it is the same as above
[23:14:49] <Yoda_> what I pasted
[23:14:52] <j09> mtn_ none of the profiles seem to work
[23:14:52] <Yoda_> exactly
[23:15:13] <mtn_> j09: test each profile with the sound levels
[23:15:22] <CountryfiedLinux> truepurpl, It's been a while I forgot how. I can do a quick web search if I needed to though.
[23:15:24] <j09> mtn_ i did
[23:15:33] <mtn_> Yoda_: I want the entire output. not just one line.
[23:15:37] <mtn_> j09: ok
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[23:17:18] <truepurpl> CountryfiedLinux. what would you put for your search?
[23:17:59] <CountryfiedLinux> ubuntu how to sheck signature of iso in the terminal
[23:18:01] <CountryfiedLinux> truepurpl, ^
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[23:22:23] <j09> mtn_ I've tried a different cable with a dual usb power supply but to no luck
[23:23:02] <mtn_> j09: which kernel are you running?
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[23:24:51] <j09> mtn_ version 4.9.6-1, but people have had this mic working on linux since before 2012, so I don't know if it would be an out-of-date kernal issue
[23:25:18] <j09> it appears on pulse audio, it's just the volume level shows no sound input
[23:25:18] <truepurpl> CountryfiedLinux, will that work just as well for manjaro?
[23:25:19] <mtn_> j09: well, that is not out of date, anyway ;)
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[23:26:15] <CountryfiedLinux> Should work truepurpl but I typically put Ubuntu in searches because they have a huge user base that has a lot of support.
[23:27:15] <Stuzz> In my limited experience, the support is from the huge user base that doesn't actually know anything
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[23:29:39] <truepurpl> I found this, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/how-to-verify but I think i need to alter many lines, I don't know which lines or to what though
[23:29:40] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/rlV4ZD] How to verify your Ubuntu download | Ubuntu
[23:30:20] <hedgie> when I'm searching for info, I tend to check what the arch folks have to say first, even on my suse system
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[23:31:52] <truepurpl> I belive you are looking for information
[23:32:10] <j09> Is there an audio linux IRC who might know more about this issue?
[23:33:00] <truepurpl> CountryfiedLinux
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[23:33:59] <truepurpl> kritikk, you know much about signature verification?
[23:34:01] <mtn_> j09: #alsa, I think
[23:35:46] <CountryfiedLinux> Stuzz, I haven't encountered a lot of technical issues in Ubuntu to begin with, and those I've diagnosed are usually easy to discover a fix for.
[23:36:18] <Stuzz> Yep
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[23:41:03] <truepurpl> CountryfiedLinux ?
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[23:41:19] <truepurpl> hi chomwitt
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[23:55:01] <truepurpl> Can anyone please help me with signature verification?
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[23:55:16] <truepurpl> hi eloaders
[23:56:08] <eloaders> truepurpl hi
[23:57:44] <truepurpl> eloaders, you know anything about signature verification?
[23:58:01] <mtn_> reminds me of a panhandler :P
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