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[00:00:04] <Manjaris> very nice
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[00:01:48] <rhg135> J'étudiais le français et le portugais, mais je ne suis jamais allé loin.
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[00:18:34] <ringo> :)
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[00:19:49] <rhg135> sadly, even manjaro can't fix that this gpu sucks
[00:19:55] * rhg135 sighs
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[00:25:54] <FleetPaw> 4:51 PM <fleetpaw> I am having an issue with Manjaro Linux. When I start it, it says "starting version 232 /dev/sdb2: clean, 411860/6733824 files, 11496813/26920388 blocks", but then it just stops. May I add that this is a new PC
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[00:29:49] <fleetpaw_> It was working just fine on the old PC
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[00:32:51] <manjaro> Hi, I'm installing Manjaro in VirtualBox. I want to try it out before I eventually replace my Ubuntu installation with it and I have a question regarding VirtualBox's additional tools. Will the installer detect that the installation is in a virtual machine and install the additional tools or do I need to do that once the installation finishes?
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[00:34:24] <rhg135> I'm actually not sure; remember to install them manually if not
[00:34:46] <rhg135> they only handle luxuries like mouse and graphics
[00:35:39] <manjaro> It's asking me to restart now, will be back in a moment.
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[01:42:26] <vaginer> How is everyone?
[01:42:43] <ringo> torei you smoker?
[01:42:54] <vaginer> Yes?
[01:43:32] <ringo> electrical here now :p
[01:44:04] <vaginer> vaporizing your weed like Edge?
[01:44:14] <vaginer> Good stuff right?
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[01:46:54] <ringo> yep
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[02:55:41] <Celmor> I think the kernel leaks memory for me
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[03:08:19] * rhg135 guides Celmor to https://bugzilla.kernel.org/
[03:08:23] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/woQ5vP] Kernel Bug Tracker Main Page
[03:08:58] <Celmor> well, what would I report, how would I even know if it's definately memory leak?
[03:09:15] <rhg135> hmm, you're right
[03:09:46] <rhg135> why do you suspect it then?
[03:10:02] <Celmor> I just know that half of my memory is inaccessible, last time I asked ##kernel about help with it they quickly found out I used a "tainted" kernel (one with out-of-tree modules)
[03:10:11] <Celmor> half of my memory is inaccessible for me
[03:10:37] <Celmor> I sync'ed, dropped caches, df'ed /tmp and it's nowhere to be found
[03:11:29] <Celmor> wait, that doesn't seem right:
[03:11:49] <Celmor> Filesystem         Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on dev
[03:11:51] <Celmor>                 7.8G  4.1G  3.8G  53% /dev
[03:12:55] <Celmor> ok, got back 4.1 GiB
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[03:20:50] <negen> y
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[03:22:32] <rhg135> tmpfs is by default about half your ram
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[03:22:50] <rhg135> to prevent oom
[03:23:19] <Celmor> well, I checked /tmp, just not every mounted tmpfs
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[03:33:23] <e3d3> I'm trying to install a program with yaourt and get an error that there is no space left on the device. The /tmp-folder is almost 1 GB, but is that the limit, and how can I solve it ?
[03:36:04] <rhg135> the limit is about half your ram for tmpfs by default
[03:36:29] <rhg135> you should be able to tell makepkg to use another place
[03:36:48] <Celmor> ok, fixed my "memory leak" issue, zfs+btrfs seems to have consumed a lot of memory (why they weren't used, unloading these kernel modules free'd 2 GiB (+ 4 GiB I cleared earlier from /dev)
[03:37:08] <e3d3> I'm trying it now with   export TMPDIR=/path/to/new/dir
[03:37:24] <e3d3> rhg135: ^
[03:37:54] <Celmor> why is btrfs or even zfs for that matter loaded by default in manjaro?
[03:39:08] <tefter> zfs uses slab for cache
[03:39:16] <tefter> actually it frees on demand
[03:39:26] <tefter> but free information is not acurate
[03:40:51] <tefter> zfs shouldn't be installed by default
[03:42:25] <e3d3> rhg135: just found the right help, the export TMPDIR worked. Thanks for your help.
[03:42:27] <Celmor> I use `awk '/MemFree/' /proc/meminfo` to check how much is actually free
[03:43:05] <negen> after five years as a system admin my company decided that I need to get a full compTia stack and a few cisco certs
[03:43:08] <rhg135> it isn't Celmor
[03:43:51] <Celmor> well, it's not how much is "usable", but it is how much is "free" (completely unused, not even for caching/buffers)
[03:44:25] <rhg135> why would you want that, Celmor?
[03:44:26] <Celmor> and I need to know latter because if starting a VM, it'll feel, even if it's only caching that takes up that memory
[03:44:32] <rhg135> oh
[03:45:08] <Celmor> so I usually have "sudo sh -c 'sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'" in the start of my script that starts the VM
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[03:45:29] <tefter> cat /proc/spl/kstat/zfs/arcstats
[03:45:58] <tefter> look for `size`
[03:46:23] <rhg135> that's good to know tefter
[03:46:39] <Celmor> there should be nothing used if I don't use any zfs filesystems at the moment
[03:46:47] <negen> I do not have ecc ram installed otherwise I would test out zfs
[03:47:17] <rhg135> I don't have ecc either
[03:47:20] <negen> for the last few whiles I have been testing out f2fs which is a nice file system  to boot from
[03:47:28] <rhg135> still nicer than ext4
[03:47:31] <Celmor> zfs is a lot more resilient thatn other filesystems such as ext*, if you worry about data corruption, I would still use it
[03:47:41] <rhg135> or, heaven forbid, ntfs
[03:48:05] <Celmor> my root is still oin ext4 but my main storage (spinning rust) is zfs
[03:48:09] * rhg135 shudders
[03:48:10] <negen> i have seen the results of memory thrashing zfs shares i do not want to use it without ecc ram
[03:48:45] <Celmor> you can always disable features such as arc if you worry about your RAM causing issues
[03:49:15] <rhg135> doesn't ecc just fix one bit errors?
[03:49:40] <negen> I have only used zfs on freenas never anything else
[03:50:14] <negen> the other reason that I do not use is that my system does not support jbod modes
[03:50:43] <Celmor> the main advantage of ecc is that it will detect bit errors, if it can't fix it, it will crash your system
[03:50:49] <Celmor> afaik
[03:50:53] <negen> I think I may have a hackish type of option to update the raid controller to support jbod but seemed a bit risky
[03:50:56] <Celmor> (intentionally)
[03:51:47] <negen> my raid controller is from a NEC server made by lsi
[03:51:57] <rhg135> that sounds pleaseant, but lesser evil
[03:52:07] <Celmor> I like using zfs for my VMs, better than LVM, and can use cloning/snapshotting and differential backups for raw disks images which only formats such as qcow could offer me more or less
[03:52:15] <negen> not as functionally as some of the other raid controllers
[03:53:01] <Celmor> I use a mirrored configuration with zfs, most performant and just best IMO
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[03:53:18] <negen> i think I will buy a 1050ti or something soon enough so I can run a vm
[03:53:41] <negen> I would like to test out vt-d
[03:53:45] <rhg135> I have /home and /var on one hdd with an ssd partiton as l2arc
[03:53:55] <rhg135> pretty fast
[03:55:13] <Celmor> gotta love these filesystems taking up lots of memory, even if not used http://ix.io/1SMR
[03:55:15] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/zCSLth] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
[03:55:44] <Celmor> also s/-nk 5/-nk 2/
[03:57:32] <negen> my disks are not the fastest but for an 7 year old system they seem fast enough
[03:57:35] <negen>  Timing cached reads:   16172 MB in  1.99 seconds = 8110.51 MB/sec
[03:57:35] <negen>  Timing buffered disk reads: 2134 MB in  3.00 seconds = 711.08 MB/sec
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[03:58:45] <Celmor> so I guess I have to blacklist btrfs if for some reason it decides to load by default
[03:59:14] <Celmor> or even better, uninstall btrfs-progs
[03:59:29] <rhg135> tsk tsk
[03:59:42] <rhg135> btrfs is a in-tree module
[03:59:52] <rhg135> that's just the utility
[04:00:12] <Celmor> an utility that consums memory
[04:00:16] <Celmor> at all times
[04:01:27] * rhg135 facepalms
[04:01:49] <Celmor> :/ "/usr/lib/modules/4.8.17-1-MANJARO/kernel/fs/btrfs/btrfs.ko.gz is owned by linux48 4.8.17-1"
[04:01:55] <negen> http://pastebin.com/4CWbApuc
[04:01:56] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/vPbGVr] SR-2% df -T | awk '{print $1,$2,$NF}' | grep "^/dev"  /dev/sda2 f2fs /  /dev/sda - Pastebin.com
[04:02:03] <rhg135> yeah...
[04:02:18] <Celmor> then blacklist it is
[04:02:55] <negen> I am glad they finally hacked up some codes into grub to allow to boot from f2fs
[04:03:27] <rhg135> about time
[04:03:54] <Celmor> what's so good about f2fs vs ext4?
[04:04:17] <rhg135> less thrashing iirc
[04:04:37] <Celmor> thrashing?
[04:04:44] <negen> mainly that its sole purposes is to be made for and optimized for nand
[04:05:34] <rhg135> thrashing as in to delete stuff frequently; that'll kill a ssd over time
[04:05:34] <negen> I think it was originally made by samsung for their not-so-dumb phones
[04:05:58] <Celmor> that reminds of how fast my SSD was killed while I had arch on ext4...
[04:06:19] <Celmor> didn't take me long to switch from arch to manjaro back
[04:06:51] <negen> I been using arch for a couple years now
[04:07:10] <Celmor> my ssd wouldn't have survived half a year
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[04:07:21] <Celmor> even*
[04:07:33] <negen> kinda got bored with manjaro not allowing me to do certain things well mainly mhwd
[04:07:45] <rhg135> pfft
[04:08:04] <rhg135> yeah
[04:08:08] <negen> still use manjaro at work though
[04:08:14] <rhg135> it can be annoying
[04:08:36] <rhg135> but not as many updates that break things
[04:08:59] <Celmor> the last libvirt updated broke all of my VMs, so yeah
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[04:09:34] <negen> in recent times the only issue i had in my system was a silly qt5 plugin thingie
[04:10:20] <tefter> i use Manjaro because of updates, actually I would never use Arch ;)
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[04:10:57] <negen> manjaro is nice enough on my intel systems
[04:11:20] <rhg135> manjaro: arch with less effort
[04:11:23] <negen> but dkms drivers seemed to like to fight with mhwd for me
[04:11:41] <rhg135> if you abuse it enough you can avoid mhwd
[04:11:46] <Celmor> my i915 has a lot of issues, so not too sure about how nice manjaro is on intel systems
[04:12:00] <Celmor> (kernel module for my iGPU)
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[04:15:15] <e3d3> where can I change the default terminal in my fresh installed Manjaro i3 ? Using "prefered applications" from the morc-menu changed nothing. The i3 config uses 'terminal' but I don't know where this command is defined.
[04:15:43] <rhg135> it's a script in /usr/bin
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[04:15:52] <rhg135> idr where it comes from
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[04:17:10] <rhg135> usually setting TERMINAL in a profile file works
[04:17:52] <e3d3> rhg135: holy %#@!, never expected it there. This i3 is chaos for me, e.g. with .extend.bashrc etc. Thank you much
[04:18:18] <Celmor> anyone else experienced similar with i915? http://ix.io/1SMY
[04:18:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/BxXlmO] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
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[04:18:30] <rhg135> yeah , it's a weird setup at first, e3d3
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[04:20:26] <e3d3> rhg135: I agree, this configs are bizar. I think to go back to net-install without desktop and add i3 myself.
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[04:21:11] <e3d3> last try got messy. Maybe I should steal/copy the good things from this i3-version
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[04:25:03] <triplc> hi all
[04:26:00] <triplc> i notice that i have all xf86-input-{libinput,evdev,synaptics,wacom,void} installed.
[04:26:38] <triplc> so, is that unnecessary, and i can remove evdev+synaptics+wacom+void ?
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[04:32:08] <Celmor> is it normal that there weren't any new updates when doing pacman -Syu for multiple days?
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[04:34:05] <rhg135> on stable, yes, Celmor
[04:34:20] <Celmor> so updates are released in bulks?
[04:34:37] <Celmor> also, does it matter which kernel is currently booted?
[04:35:08] <tefter> for iGPU it does
[04:35:55] <Celmor> I mean if different updates are shown when doing a pacman -Syu
[04:36:28] <tefter> ah, that shouldn't matter
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[04:48:00] <christer> Hi, can someone tell me how I can move the fxce panel to the top?
[04:49:34] <christer> I dont find anything in the setings, only horisontal and vertical?
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[04:58:47] <christer> never mind
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[05:20:23] <Ododo> Can i run sdl application with wayland on manjaro ?
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[05:30:44] <Celmor> when using pulseaudio, can I duplicate sound to the other channel or set a stream to mono?
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[05:31:45] <Celmor> nvm, booting 4.9 kernel seems to cause this issue were I only get sound on one (the left) channel
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[05:59:27] <simpleauthority> Does anyone know where chrome stores .desktop files for the "add to desktop..." feature?
[05:59:30] <simpleauthority> I can't track it down
[05:59:40] <simpleauthority> Even went to root and use find and it still can't find it lol
[06:01:37] <Celmor> what was your find command?
[06:02:18] <simpleauthority> in root, as root: "find . -name "*spotify*" -type f and I appended "desktop" to the end of it as well, but nothing was found for that either
[06:02:31] <simpleauthority> sorry, in in root, in /
[06:02:36] <simpleauthority> forgot there was a /root lol
[06:03:09] <Celmor> try `find / -iname "*.desktop"`
[06:03:36] <simpleauthority> aha
[06:03:38] <simpleauthority> found it
[06:03:43] <simpleauthority> ~/.gnome/apps
[06:03:44] <simpleauthority> thanks!
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[06:22:16] <t0dd> ok...stupid question.  I booted a live session of manjaro from a USB.  Love it.  How the hell do you install it to the HDD?
[06:22:43] <Celmor> execute manjaro-welcome
[06:23:04] <Celmor> it should show you available installers
[06:24:04] <t0dd> awww....found it.  Been using Ubuntu for 10 years.  Used to the "install" shortcut.
[06:26:05] <rhg135> You mean installer?
[06:26:24] <rhg135> Only calamares remains
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[06:32:36] <bewjie> greetings chat friends
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[06:32:43] <bewjie> any professionals here?
[06:32:46] <rhg135> Greetings
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[06:32:53] <bewjie> hey rhg!
[06:33:12] <bewjie> just who i wanted to see
[06:33:17] <rhg135> Professional just means paid for :P
[06:33:23] <bewjie> lol
[06:33:28] <bewjie> i owe you a beer
[06:33:29] <rhg135> So not me
[06:33:40] <bewjie> hey do you know where manjaro puts the grub when installed
[06:34:06] <bewjie> because i looked at gparted and i dont see a boot flag on any of the partitions
[06:34:18] <bewjie> yet, it boots to grub
[06:34:42] <bewjie> and the boot folder is in the sda3 partition which is where manjaro is
[06:34:54] <rhg135> Grub installs to the space after the MBR and before the partitions on a MBR disk
[06:35:08] <bewjie> hmm
[06:35:16] <Lowl3v3l> bewjie: grub is a particularly hard case.  is it installed in mbr or gpt mode?
[06:35:22] <rhg135> There's also some files in /boot
[06:35:33] <Lowl3v3l> bewjie: and its an uefi system?
[06:35:39] <bewjie> well i used manjaro budgie to install it
[06:35:50] <bewjie> it was windows 10 befoire
[06:36:03] <bewjie> now its windows 10 / manjaro budgie
[06:36:13] <rhg135> So UEFI?
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[06:36:18] <Lowl3v3l> bewjie: this exactly tells me nothing
[06:36:21] <bewjie> i suppose its uefi
[06:36:28] <bewjie> how do i find out if it is uefi
[06:36:35] <rhg135> If so /boot
[06:37:06] <rhg135> That I actually do not know somehow
[06:37:32] <bewjie> hmm
[06:37:44] <rhg135> I think Manjaro usually mounts the efivarfs by default on efi
[06:38:03] <bewjie> when i was reading some tutorial it said that when i boot easybcd in windows it should prompt me in the event i am on a uefi system
[06:38:11] <bewjie> i have not recieved such a prompt
[06:38:49] <bewjie> the deal is i would like to remove manjaro completely since it didnt work on my system, and replace it with libreELEC
[06:39:04] <bewjie> but libreELEC uses syslinux instead of grub
[06:39:07] <rhg135> Well, my board can boot both, booting a CD in one move doesn't mean the os is
[06:39:21] <rhg135> Mode*
[06:40:05] <bewjie> last time i deleted manjaro not even windows would boot
[06:40:45] <rhg135> Syslinux doesn't work on UEFI afaik though
[06:40:46] <bewjie> i think because i deleted the grub folder in the process
[06:41:06] <bewjie> hmmm, so can i somehow replace syslinux with grub?
[06:41:23] <rhg135> Yes
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[06:41:48] <rhg135> Is this on a laptop?
[06:42:22] <negen> http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Install#UEFI
[06:42:25] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ZHfnAV] Install - Syslinux Wiki
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[06:56:21] <bewjie> yes rhg135  its a netbook
[06:57:03] <rhg135> It is almost certainly UEFI then
[06:58:00] <rhg135> Oh, I'm an odor. There is a good way to tell
[06:58:08] <rhg135> Idiot*
[06:58:11] <bewjie> lol
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[06:58:24] <bewjie> if youre an odor im a vision
[06:58:35] <rhg135> EFI systems always have a ESP
[06:58:48] <bewjie> hmm
[06:58:50] <bewjie> where
[06:59:16] <rhg135> Somewhere, usually the first partition
[07:00:48] <rhg135> Nvm, apparently it does support EFI. Thank, negen :)
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[07:03:26] <bewjie> ok, so if i want to just throw the manjaro partition away completely, and put  libreELEC in its place, can i just add windows10 to the boot menu that comes in the libreELEC?
[07:03:47] <bewjie> i notice it uses a newer version of syslinux, its version 6.0.3
[07:04:02] <bewjie> which uses a file called  idlinux.cfg
[07:05:13] <bewjie> i had tried  manjaro-chroot  to get into the libreELEC install but it wasnt working
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[07:07:37] <rhg135> I've never used libreELEC, but yes, just add it to that menu
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[08:14:32] <def1> Can i use manjaro for penetration test ?
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[08:57:41] <Strit_Laptop> def1: Probably. If you install the correct tools.
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[11:15:58] <AndChat|162164> howdy
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[11:34:07] <hisforever> Hi everybody, I need your help. When I right desktop to change the desktop, I can get anything but the default desktop to show up. How could I correct this?
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[11:45:22] <hisforever> Any body know of a good backup program?
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[12:05:41] <lewyssmith> Hello, is anyone on-line who can answer a system upgrade problem question?
[12:08:41] <Strit_Laptop> lewyssmith: what's the problem?
[12:10:00] <lewyssmith> A big update is being stopped by a number of pkg signature failures, all from "Levent Polyak (anthraxx)".
[12:10:55] <Strit_Laptop> lewyssmith: try this: "sudo pacman -S archlinux-keyring && sudo pacman -Syyu"
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[12:11:32] <lewyssmith> Thank you. I will do that at once, and come back.
[12:11:38] <harmony2> hi, is pdftk available on manjaro?
[12:12:23] <Strit_Laptop> harmony2: yes. It's in ythe AUR.
[12:13:46] <lewyssmith> It is a wonderful tool.
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[12:19:46] <lewyssmith> Strit_Laptop, The package checks all worked, many thanks. But a new problem now...
[12:20:46] <Strit_Laptop> which is?
[12:20:47] <lewyssmith> error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
[12:20:47] <lewyssmith> geoclue2: /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/geoclue/geoclue.devhelp2 exists in filesystem
[12:21:08] <lewyssmith> and several others very similar.
[12:21:33] <Strit_Laptop> lewyssmith: ah yeah. remove geoclue2. "sudo pacman -R geoclue2"
[12:23:01] <lewyssmith> That gave: pacman -R geoclue2
[12:23:01] <lewyssmith> checking dependencies...
[12:23:01] <lewyssmith> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
[12:23:01] <lewyssmith> :: webkit2gtk: removing geoclue2 breaks dependency 'geoclue2'
[12:23:01] <lewyssmith> :: webkitgtk: removing geoclue2 breaks dependency 'geoclue2'
[12:23:02] <lewyssmith> :: webkitgtk2: removing geoclue2 breaks dependency 'geoclue2'
[12:23:27] <Strit_Laptop> alright. do "sudo pacman -Rsn geoclue2" instead.
[12:24:22] <lewyssmith> Same error.
[12:24:36] <Strit_Laptop> add a c
[12:25:17] <Strit_Laptop> It will remove some stuff. Anything odd in the list?
[12:28:49] <lewyssmith> There are several things which 'optionally require'  webkitgtk2; then a block of 20 pkgs it want to remove including things which are not stupid e.g.
[12:29:16] <Strit_Laptop> Seems good then. As long as lightdm gretter and stuff like that, are not in the list it should be fine.
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[12:29:57] <lewyssmith> mdm moneymanagerex webkitgtk things, yelp, zenity, manjaro-features & welcome.
[12:30:00] <thid> morning
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[12:30:33] <Strit_Laptop> mdm?
[12:30:39] <harmony2> thanks Strit_Laptop. will try
[12:30:43] <Strit_Laptop> Is that the display manager you are using?
[12:31:16] <lewyssmith> Don't know; I have never changed anything.
[12:31:39] <Strit_Laptop> lewyssmith: what DE are you using?
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[12:31:52] <lewyssmith> XFCE.
[12:32:02] <Strit_Laptop> Okay. You should be safe then.
[12:32:27] <lewyssmith> I will go ahead.
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[12:36:18] <lewyssmith> It has reached 'Upgrading..." OK now. Hundreds to do.
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[12:38:15] <lewyssmith> While that is happening, another question please: This Manjaro system was installed a few years ago, and kept up-to-date.
[12:38:30] <Strit_Laptop> yes?
[12:38:52] <Strit_Laptop> When the update is done, please check that you have lightdm installed.
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[12:39:06] <Strit_Laptop> I don't know what DM such an old system is using. :)
[12:39:11] <lewyssmith> But I notice that the kernel is still 3 something, whereas 4 something has been available for ages. How do I progress that?
[12:39:36] <Strit_Laptop> lewyssmith: Kernel is changed via Manjaro Settings Manager.
[12:39:46] <Strit_Laptop> Gotta go eat now. Cya in hlaf an hour. :)
[12:40:42] <lewyssmith> Thanks you for that. Will do (later). As a general point, should an old but maintained Manjaro system be the same as installing the latest release? I thought it was meant to be like that.
[12:43:49] <lewyssmith> Strit-Laptop : In your absence, thank you for your prompt & expert help. The update eventually went to end OK.
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[12:44:12] <lewyssmith> Goodbye.
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[13:29:53] <lewyssmith> Hello again. Strit-Laptop helped me get a baulked system upgrade done. This included taking out mdm. Booting now leads me to a console.
[13:30:59] <lewyssmith> I installed lightdm, but re-booting still lands me at the console. Logging in there, startx yields the normal desktop. How can I get the display manager to function - please?
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[13:32:31] <Strit_Laptop> lewyssmith: yeah I feared that.
[13:32:34] <Strit_Laptop> Here's what you do.
[13:33:22] <Strit_Laptop> If you have lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter installed, all you should have to do is the following: "sudo systemctl disable mdm && sudo systemctl enable lightdm" and reboot
[13:34:23] <Strit_Laptop> Let me know if it says something abour mdm.service not existing. :)
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[13:35:16] <lewyssmith> Ah. I did not install lightdm-gtk-greeter. Will do so now and re-boot. Thanks again.
[13:35:35] <Strit_Laptop> You still have to use the other command. That command enables it. :)
[13:35:39] <badbodh> and configure /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf , specify greeter=lightdm-gtk-greeter under [seat:*], true/false a few things as per your tastes
[13:35:54] <badbodh> else lightdm won't even start ^_^
[13:36:11] <Strit_Laptop> badbodh: I never had to do that....
[13:36:34] <badbodh> Strit_Laptop, all your stuff in lightdm.conf are #-ed ?
[13:36:39] <lewyssmith> Off for the moment.
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[13:37:49] <badbodh> didn't work back in 0.9.* snapshot, read the wiki article for display managers. stuck to that practice ever since
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[13:41:10] <lewyssmith> Back after reboot & console:
[13:41:36] <Strit_Laptop> lewyssmith: did the "sudo systemctl enable lightdm" show a symlink being made?
[13:42:05] <lewyssmith> systemctl disable mdm said 'no such file or directory'
[13:42:47] <badbodh> did you uninstall mdm before disabling the service ? then you may have to remove the symlink manually
[13:43:20] <badbodh> it's in /etc/systemd/system/graphical-target-something-stuff-thingy
[13:43:53] <badbodh> nope, just "display-manager.service"
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[13:45:21] <lewyssmith> systemctl enable lightdm said 'failed to enable unit. /etc/systemd/system/displaymanager.service already exists & is a symlink to /usr/lib/systemd/system/mdm.service'
[13:45:40] <Strit_Laptop> yeah. you need to force it then.
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[13:45:55] <badbodh> yeah, you uninstalled mdm before disable. remove symlink n try again
[13:46:00] <badbodh> or ^ force :)
[13:46:24] <lewyssmith> mdm was taken out with something else.
[13:46:24] * badbodh forces Strit_Laptop against his will
[13:46:58] <Strit_Laptop> hehe
[13:47:00] <lewyssmith> About to remove the symlink, then enable, then reboot.
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[13:55:18] <lewyssmith> From a page up, I removed both the symlink /etc/etc and the file it pointed to /usr/etc (which did not exist); systemctl enable lightdm; re-boot. All is well - lightdm greeter on a black background. slightly sad, but it works.
[13:55:31] <lewyssmith> Thanks again for the rapid & good advice.
[13:57:55] <Strit_Laptop> np, now it's just a matter of "theming" your lightdm. You can install lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings for that.
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[13:58:46] <lewyssmith> Will try that.
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[14:02:16] <mabox> bonjour, cherche quelqu'un pour m'aider à mettre à jour linux mabox nouvellement installé, merci
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[14:03:22] <lewyssmith> Repeat of an earlier question please: Should an old but maintained Manjaro system be the same as a new installation? I thought it should be.
[14:03:56] <lewyssmith> mabox, Parlez-vous de Manjaro?
[14:04:29] <badbodh> yep, it would be. except your customizations
[14:04:31] <Strit_Laptop> lewyssmith: Not always. Some things can change on the ISO's when it's needed. For example, you had mdm on your xfce, while the newer xfce ISO's have lightdm.
[14:04:58] <mabox> Effectivement mabox openbox Je suis débutant sur linux manjaro !
[14:05:09] <badbodh> and some config files may change, they show up as *.pacnew file in same folder
[14:05:18] <Strit_Laptop> yep
[14:05:37] <lewyssmith> OK. But basically there would be no significant difference. Good to know: no need to re-install to be current.
[14:05:59] <badbodh> run a "diff" on both files, and edit accordingly.
[14:06:09] <badbodh> aye, rolling mate
[14:06:15] <lewyssmith> Where are these files?
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[14:07:19] <badbodh> usually in /etc folder, any configuration file. before older configs were saved as *.pacsave, but nowadays newer ones are written as *.pacnew instead
[14:08:05] <badbodh> open in a file manager, like dolphin or nemo and search for string "pacnew" you will see
[14:08:39] <lewyssmith> mabox, S'il existe de mis à jour, vous devriez voire un pint d'exclamation rouge - cliquez sur lui. Ou d'un terminal, faites 'sudo pacman -Syu'.
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[14:09:27] <mabox> Demande aide pour mettre à jour système mabox openbox, merci Je suis débutant !
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[14:10:23] <lewyssmith> Je vous ai répondu.
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[14:10:52] <mabox> Merci lewyssmich, je vais essayer, réponse après tentative!
[14:11:02] <john1950> hey everyone, so i'm trying to boot manjaro inside qemu, but it crashed a while after the `Manjaro` loading screen. the screen kinda glitched out and then it just went black. the qemu command i'm running is `Qemu-windows-2.6.0\qemu-system-x86_64 -L Qemu-windows-2.6.0\Bios -m 4096 -hda mj.vhd -cdrom manjaro-xfce-16.10.3-stable-x86_64.iso` while using the 64-bit version of manjaro with xfce.
[14:12:01] <john1950> i got a `Gtk_WARNING` saying `Could not find the icon 'checkbox-symbolic'. The 'hicolor' theme was not found either, perhaps you need to install it.` I'm not sure if that's essential or not.
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[14:15:26] <badbodh> lewyssmith, https://uploadpie.com/1QmUjq
[14:15:27] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/83RDFZ] Upload Pie - The Simple Image Sharing Tool
[14:15:56] <badbodh> these are the only significant changes during rolling
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[14:16:21] <Ceri_Philippe> good evening
[14:16:27] <badbodh> anything else will be notified in the forum, in case something breaks. So always follow phil's posts
[14:16:49] <badbodh> ^ not that phil :P the german one
[14:16:54] <badbodh> howdy Ceri_Philippe
[14:17:06] <mabox> Pas de pint d'exclamation rouge ! réponse du terminal sudo pacman -syu
[14:17:07] <mabox> erreur : option invalide '-s'
[14:17:31] <mabox> Ok
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[14:17:39] <mabox> Essai , merci
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[14:18:04] <badbodh> 'S' le capitale monsieur
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[14:20:17] <lewyssmith> mabox, Faites toujours 'man pacman' pour le comprendre - un peu !
[14:20:59] <mabox> Ok, commande sur terminal est passée - réponse : il n'y à rien à faire
[14:21:45] <Ceri_Philippe> bonjour, quelu'un a deja essaye d'installer unity 3d sur notre distrib préférée
[14:21:47] <Ceri_Philippe> ?
[14:21:55] <lewyssmith> badbodh, Thanks for the link, but I get a screen full of icons, two pairs outlined in red; but unable to view them. Tried Opera12 & Firefox.
[14:22:33] <badbodh> those are screenshots, showing some pacnew files that showed up after an update
[14:23:03] <mabox> Merci lewyssmitch pour votre aide En tant que débutant je tâtonne !
[14:23:09] <lewyssmith> mabox, Alors, c'est à jour. C'est pourquoi vous n'avez pas vu l'icon '!' rouge.
[14:23:23] <badbodh> usually i 'diff' them with my old config, if something significant appears i edit my configs
[14:23:25] <mabox> Merci merci !
[14:23:48] <lewyssmith> badbodh, How do I view them from the overall screen?
[14:24:08] <Ceri_Philippe> badbodh j'aime bien ta barre des taches, tu utilises quoi ?
[14:24:27] <badbodh> lewyssmith, are you trying to double click my files and open them ?
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[14:25:03] <badbodh> it's a screenshot >:(
[14:25:08] <mabox> Je cherche sur le web un tutorial ou une documentation en francais sur mabox openbox Merci
[14:25:23] <badbodh> you open your own file manager and look for them pacnew files if any
[14:26:17] <badbodh> Ceri_Philippe, le francois non monsieur. sprechen english ?
[14:26:33] <Ceri_Philippe> yes of course
[14:26:49] <Ceri_Philippe> so i like your task bar what prog do you use ?
[14:27:18] <lewyssmith> Clicking or double-clicking things from the browser merely slightly enlarges or reduces things. I was hoping to view the individual screenshots.
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[14:28:03] <badbodh> sorry mate too complicated, and i ain't sharing my file contents :P
[14:28:05] <lewyssmith> Ah! I see - it is a screen shot of *your* file manager window. Sorry.
[14:28:07] <badbodh> they are classified
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[14:28:29] <badbodh> Ceri_Philippe, i3-gaps
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[14:30:12] <lewyssmith> Anyhow, thanks to all for help & explanations, much appreciated; I am off.
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[16:14:58] <nicklas_> hello, anyone else has had problems with steam? used to have to have steam-native installed, cause steam-manjaro didnt work. after a while regular steam-manjaro worked, so been running that for a while now. dont know if its after last update, havent ran games for a while, but now steam doesnt start. installing steam-native doesnt give me a steam native runner
[16:15:16] <nicklas_> anyone has a solution?
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[16:16:15] <nicklas_> or knows what the problem is?
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[16:18:54] <nicklas_> ive reinstalled steam
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[16:19:59] <nicklas_> pastie here: http://pastebin.com/A9jwC93a
[16:20:00] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/UiSKQa] [nicklas@nicklas-F751L ~]$ steam  steam      steamdeps    [nicklas@nicklas-F751L - Pastebin.com
[16:21:55] <gawd> Ahoy !!
[16:22:05] <nicklas_> ahoy
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[16:22:26] <gawd> How goes it ??
[16:23:02] <jonathon> nicklas_, looks like you're you've disabled the Steam runtime and are missing a 32-bit library
[16:23:09] <nicklas_> well, i have some problems with steam, look up
[16:23:16] <jonathon> s/you're//
[16:23:17] <nicklas_> jonathon: not manually
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[16:23:27] <nicklas_> jonathon: i saw that
[16:23:53] <nicklas_> jonathon: i know a bunch of deps were marked as non deps after last update, so just cleaned as ususal
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[16:26:53] <aajjbb> Hi
[16:27:05] <aajjbb> I do have a desktop which has 2 harddrives
[16:27:21] <aajjbb> Manjaro installation seems to recognize them as 1 single drive
[16:27:30] <aajjbb> I'm trying to dual-boot it along with windows 7
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[16:27:40] <aajjbb> The machine doesn't have UEFI
[16:28:34] <aajjbb> But after installing Manjaro, I get that "ERROR: device UUID='XXX' not found, skipping ...."
[16:28:40] <aajjbb> Any idea on how to solve it ?
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[16:35:01] <Ceri_Philippe> do you make setting with automount for a windows partition ?
[16:35:31] <badbodh> Ceri_Philippe, /etc/fstab <----- specify mount points for ntfs drives
[16:35:39] <badbodh> 8s/drives/partitions
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[16:37:55] <nicklas_> who is maintaining steam?
[16:39:14] <manjaromojo> so.. anyone using a ALPS touchpad and got the sensitivity problem solved ?
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[16:48:30] <badbodh> manjaromojo, i got alps. what sensitivity ya talking aboot ?
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[16:50:28] <manjaromojo> finger and palm rest .. many blogs have people installing synaptics drivers for an ALPS touchpad.  That isn't working on manjaro.  If i install any synaptics drivers the touchpad will stop working altogether
[16:50:54] <nobody1111> Hello guys. I am trying to install manjaro but all I get is a blinking cursor and a dark screen. Can somebody help me:) ? (i am newbie in linux)
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[16:51:37] <badbodh> manjaromojo, synaptics was replaced by libinput. gimme "xinput" in a pastebin
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[16:54:40] <manjaromojo> badbodh, i have libinput installed.  with it, there's no sensitivity or palmrest options.  With synaptics, there is
[16:55:34] <badbodh> install xf86-input-libinput and libinput
[16:55:47] <badbodh> then run "man libinput" for available options
[16:56:02] <mtn_> nobody1111: is this with booting the live disk or....?
[16:56:09] <badbodh> add them in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/foo.conf as you deem fit
[16:56:34] <nobody1111> yes (via usb) mtn_
[16:56:44] <badbodh> libinput will have more options eventually. it's under construction, like wayland
[16:57:13] <mtn_> nobody1111: you can try adding nomodeset to the boot line, in the boot screen of the live disk
[16:58:17] <nobody1111> i don t think that I am getting to that phase. Once my dell is charging (and shows me to press F2/F12 for setup/boot options), I immediately get the blinking curson
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[16:58:43] <nobody1111> I should also mention that I played with antergos before (was not awar of manjaro) and I guess that I did something wrong
[16:58:53] <mtn_> nobody1111: so you are talking about accessing your bios/uefi boot options?
[16:59:50] <nobody1111> yes. I have accessed the bios... the order of the bootable drives is ok
[17:00:30] <mtn_> nobody1111: then what is the screen you are talking about? it is not part of the live disk, right?
[17:00:39] <nobody1111> no
[17:00:45] <nobody1111> it is not part of the live disk
[17:00:55] <manjaromojo> thanks badbodh but those two packages are installed now.  I just went through the man pages and theres no support for sensitivity adjustment, which is probably one of the most important features.  Synaptics has it and I need it
[17:01:23] <mtn_> nobody1111: then this has nothing to do with manjaro. you need to figure out how to boot the usb.
[17:01:49] <nobody1111> ah, i see
[17:02:00] <nobody1111> i ll check the forum
[17:02:08] <badbodh> manjaromojo, disable acceleration then
[17:02:11] <mtn_> nobody1111: better to check you computer manual
[17:02:22] <badbodh> accel profile -1
[17:02:41] <mtn_> nobody1111: sounds like you have bios or hardware problem
[17:03:15] <badbodh> *accelspeed sorry
[17:03:24] <badbodh> accel profile is for evdev
[17:03:26] <nobody1111> ok. I will check it
[17:03:41] <nobody1111> thx for the advice
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[17:12:13] <gawd> Is Mackie any good ??
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[17:16:08] <marco-parillo> pacman -Qm reports I have js17 17.0.0-4, but when I try to find out why I have it, pacman -Sii js17 says: error: package 'js17' was not found. Am I mis-reading the show reverse dependencies on https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Rosetta#Querying_package_dependencies
[17:16:09] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/nUPBYF] Pacman/Rosetta - ArchWiki
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[17:24:35] <[red]claw> it seems to me that the atom autocomplete-python package receives updates every 5 minutes
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[17:24:43] <[red]claw> everytime i start atom it shows me 1 update available
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[17:30:22] <helical> there's a an auto-update package
[17:30:30] <helical> if you want to avoid seeing the updates
[17:30:52] <Mikkosssss> Hello. Can someone tell me what is this window popping up and asking for password when I use chromium? Task manager says its "gcr", but I am not what it should do.
[17:32:26] <Mikkosssss> *I am not sure what it should do*
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[17:32:55] <helical> haven't seen that
[17:33:01] <helical> does sound weird
[17:33:19] <[red]claw> helical: hmm, k thanks. not using atom really frequently, normally i use vim but atom has it's nice points
[17:33:35] <[red]claw> but this auto-update thingy is getting on my nerves
[17:33:44] <Mikkosssss> At first it wanted me to set password but I ignored it because was busy and now it just asks for password
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[17:34:26] <Mikkosssss> I thought it was password manager but after googling gcr it didint make sense.
[17:35:11] <[red]claw> it's the gnome keyring
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[17:35:39] <[red]claw> i think
[17:35:42] <Mikkosssss> So what does it do?
[17:35:51] <[red]claw> did you login into your google account in chromium?
[17:36:10] <Mikkosssss> Yes youtube but it came before that
[17:36:22] <manapot> hi all
[17:36:24] <[red]claw> hmm, maybe it doesn't unlock your keyring right
[17:36:42] <[red]claw> had this problem with the keyring and chromium only in KDE
[17:37:50] <Mikkosssss> It says something that "something didint unlock at login" cant get it to appear without restarting browser now. Using Xfce
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[17:39:10] <[red]claw> ah yeah then it is probably gnome keyring that complains
[17:39:53] <[red]claw> i think there should be a String in the window saying what it wants. I guess it wants you to unlock the keyring
[17:40:12] <[red]claw> With your user password because it didn't got unlocked correctly when logging in
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[17:40:36] <Mikkosssss> Havent noticed anything not working. Not really sure what is keyring.
[17:40:44] <[red]claw> gnome-seahorse
[17:41:06] <[red]claw> actually no idea what it actually does exactly
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[17:41:25] <[red]claw> it's used for things like the nm-applet
[17:41:27] <[red]claw> i think
[17:41:31] <[red]claw> it saves credentials
[17:41:38] <mike-zal> I also have no idea what keyring is but it is needed
[17:42:39] <Mikkosssss> Its just bit annoying that it comes and steals focus few times when I load few first sites on browser
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[17:45:10] <[red]claw> Mikkosssss: hmm, if you can verify it's gnome keyring try typing in your login password
[17:45:29] <[red]claw> otherwise never trust random appeared windows asking for your password even on Linux / Unix
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[17:47:14] <Mikkosssss> I try restart browser to get it again
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[17:53:16] <Mikkosssss> Back now. It says "Enter password to unlock your login keyring" "the login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer"
[17:53:29] <[red]claw> oh well, yep it's gnome keyring
[17:53:34] <Mikkosssss> It prevents any pages from loading till I close it
[17:54:02] <[red]claw> i guess chromium takes advantage of the gnome keyring for credential storage so it asks you to unlock it
[17:56:00] <Mikkosssss> Okay I try google if unlocking on log in can be fixed
[17:58:39] <manapot> hi, i have problem with blender. it's giving once in a while noise screen
[17:58:47] <manapot> who can help me
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[18:55:37] <physkets> According to the Flatpak FAQ, it does not depend on systemd (http://flatpak.org/faq.html#Is_Flatpak_tied_to_systemd_)
[18:55:39] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/NJTcFX] Flatpak Frequently Asked Questions
[18:55:59] <physkets> But pacman -Qi flatpak does not agree
[18:56:11] <physkets> anyone know why?
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[18:57:24] <Jeannie> From the FAQ: Can Flatpak be used on servers too?
[18:57:24] <Jeannie> Flatpak is designed to run inside a desktop session and relies on certain session services, such as a dbus session bus and a systemd --user instance. So, is not a good match for a server.
[19:00:19] <physkets> yep, saw that... then why do they have a specific question saying otherwise?
[19:00:43] <Jeannie> I dunno. Maybe they don' knowwhat  they are talking about
[19:01:00] <physkets> he he
[19:01:48] <badbodh> Depends On      : dbus  systemd  glib2  libsoup  polkit  xorg-xauth  ostree  fuse  json-glib  libseccomp  libarchive libelf  libcap
[19:01:53] <badbodh> shame!
[19:02:00] <Jeannie> Flatpak and similar app formats are nothing I will ever use.
[19:02:20] <badbodh> openrc users won't be ableto flatpak
[19:02:36] <badbodh> Jeannie, never used an android device ?
[19:02:53] <Jeannie> Of course not
[19:03:04] <badbodh> pffft
[19:03:09] <badbodh> apple fanboys.
[19:03:23] <Jeannie> I don't own any smart mobile device
[19:03:49] <badbodh> bullfrogshit
[19:03:50] <Yoda_> wow
[19:04:06] <Yoda_> we found someone who is smartphoneless
[19:04:12] <Jeannie> I don't need such things
[19:04:29] <Yoda_> use pay phones?
[19:05:02] <badbodh> nope. he communicates through IRC exclusively :D
[19:05:14] <Jeannie> I use a non smart mobile phone which enables me to make voice calls and to send sms. I prefer voice calls though, and I am no he
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[19:07:16] <physkets> Nokia?
[19:07:30] <Jeannie> Ericsson
[19:07:34] <physkets> ah
[19:07:37] <Jeannie> without Sony
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[19:29:24] <Jolt2bolt> my phone is not an smartphone
[19:29:45] <Jolt2bolt> for now, I bought in amazon a ZTE maven!:P
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[19:33:24] <Jeannie> https://c.mobilegeeks.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Smartphone-Zombies-1280x720.jpg
[19:33:24] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/NFLblA] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
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[19:36:23] <dedfed> hello guys, so i installed mjro xfce freshly and updated with pamac. i went away and as i came back i saw a black screen with only a blinking cursor in the upper left. Tried to restart but it wont boot anymore. I tried the instruction for chroot from the manjaro wiki but it still wont boot.
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[19:42:43] <dedfed> is here somebody actually not afk ??
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[19:44:15] <mtn_> dedfed: sure
[19:44:23] <dedfed> ah finally
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[19:44:37] <mtn_> dedfed: what is your video card/chip?
[19:44:45] <dedfed> wait a minute
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[19:45:12] <dedfed> AMD A6-6310
[19:45:18] <mtn_> dedfed: inxi -Gx
[19:45:20] <dedfed> i installed the nonfree drivers
[19:45:31] <mtn_> dedfed: and no doubt that is your problem
[19:45:41] <dedfed> okay
[19:46:00] <dedfed> i tried that on previous manjaro installations and never had problems
[19:46:40] <mtn_> dedfed: see if you can switch back to the default driver and see if you can boot
[19:46:51] <mtn_> dedfed: you could try booting with nomodeset
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[19:47:12] <dedfed> okay... can you walk me through ??
[19:47:39] <mtn_> dedfed: nomodeset? add it to the boot parameters in the grub boot screen
[19:47:56] <dedfed> ill try it 1 min
[19:48:47] <dedfed> just in the last line ??
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[19:49:42] <mtn_> dedfed: in the kernel/linux line. see splash in that line?
[19:50:13] <dedfed> i went into grub and pressed 'e' on the manjaro entry
[19:50:42] <dedfed> i just typed nomodeset under the last line
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[19:51:05] <mtn_> dedfed: did you see the work splash? yes or no?
[19:51:11] <mtn_> word
[19:51:49] <dedfed> yes splash resueme=uuid=etc.
[19:51:58] <mtn_> dedfed: put it before splash
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[19:52:34] <dedfed> okay booting...
[19:53:39] <multideepin> hey, does anyone have wifi problem connecting to networks, it just keeps trying to connect then it says that it requires a password but it wasn't provided even though i has provided it
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[19:53:49] <dedfed> seems to be stuck in the loading screen
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[19:54:49] <dedfed> fuck ill install new thanks anyway
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[19:59:44] <physkets> multideepin: are other devices connecting fine to that WiFi network?
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[20:01:30] <multideepin> physkets, yes perfectly fine, i tried on few of my networks but it won't work, on other linux distros i don't think i have had problems with this device, the device is alpha awus036nha
[20:03:22] <physkets> okay, so what exactly does it do when you enter the password?
[20:04:42] <multideepin> keeps spinning basically it is trying to connect, but at the end after few minutes trying to connect, just says it required a password but it wasn't provided
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[20:23:35] <nicklas_> anyone else having problems with steam?
[20:23:49] <nicklas_> or had problems?
[20:24:29] <nicklas_> doesnt work for me after update, and removing a bunch of deps that was unmarked as deps
[20:24:49] <mike-zal> yeah, it doesn't work on bumblebee, so it's like it wouldn't work at all
[20:25:02] <mike-zal> it happened after last update
[20:25:13] <mike-zal> on intel it works fine
[20:25:40] <nicklas_> but it doesnt work at all, i have it set to run with bumblebee game for game, not the steam client itself
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[20:26:02] <Jeannie> I wonder what steam users will do when all 32 bit stuff will be removed laterthis year
[20:26:22] <nicklas_> will changing to xubuntu help?
[20:26:37] <nicklas_> ive had problems with steam in manjaro many times
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[20:27:05] <Zezik> hosting on sourceforge is really a great idea
[20:27:08] <nicklas_> i prefer to have aur available, but if i cant use steam, it will be a big problem
[20:27:08] <Zezik> 30 kB/s
[20:28:14] <Zezik> i'm gonna download manjaro for 8 fn hours
[20:28:20] <Zezik> torrent somewhere?
[20:28:40] <nicklas_> theres torrents on manjaro site
[20:28:55] <nicklas_> mike-zal: any ideas?
[20:29:24] <nicklas_> mike-zal: not even installing steam-native helps, doesnt pull the steam native runner
[20:30:32] <nicklas_> Jeannie: i think since steam work on getting steam working on ubuntu mainly, thats probably the best way to go
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[20:36:39] <manjaroCinnamon> REISUB isn't working on manjaro... and cinnamon crashed and i have a black screen and x as a cursor
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[20:38:05] <nicklas_> are you guys getting this too?: http://pastebin.com/L5acw7Xs
[20:38:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Yl9VNV] [nicklas@nicklas-F751L ~]$ steam  steam      steamdeps    [nicklas@nicklas-F751L - Pastebin.com
[20:38:32] <manjaroCinnamon> hello? does REISUB not work on arch distros?
[20:41:00] <nicklas_> how do you get in contact with the devs/package maintainers?
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[20:46:09] <nicklas_> please help
[20:46:14] <nicklas_> dont wanna change dist
[20:46:26] <nicklas_> but i will have to change if steam wont work :-(
[20:47:29] <mike-zal> nicklas_: we can always install steam through snaps
[20:47:43] <mike-zal> at least I think we can. snaps works on arch so why not?
[20:47:43] <nicklas_> yeah?
[20:47:53] <Jeannie> Schnaps?
[20:48:05] <nicklas_> can i pull it from arch repos?
[20:48:06] <mike-zal> schnaps are great too :D
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[20:48:26] <Jeannie> If you have schnaps, you dont need snaps
[20:48:39] <mike-zal> I never used them so I am not sure. snaps are in repo and there is an article on arch wiki how to use it
[20:49:02] <Jeannie> I will never use them
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[20:49:48] <mike-zal> schnaps won't replace software, unless you are an alcohol addicts ;P
[20:50:20] <nicklas_> manjaro steam package has later version than arch package
[20:50:29] <mike-zal> nicklas_: anyway, that's just a though. you can check it out
[20:51:49] <mike-zal> nicklas_: some time ago, steam on 64x systems had runtime issues and it lasted for over a year, but finally they worked it out and steam was fine for many, many months. now it's messed again. that's the "charm" of arch base...
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[20:52:42] <nicklas_> hm
[20:52:50] <nicklas_> this is annoying
[20:53:02] <nicklas_> i want to be able to play the games
[20:53:15] <mike-zal> nicklas_: and maybe there is a way to fix it, some command line or config file to change, but I recently play in witcher 3, which works on windows exclusiverly so I am in no hurry, because I'm not using steam linux lately.
[20:53:29] <rhg135> I don't know mike-zal steam runs great right now
[20:53:46] <nicklas_> rhg135: linux steam?
[20:53:57] <mike-zal> rhg135: unless you have hybrid gpu, like most of the laptops..
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[20:54:01] <rhg135> Yeah, on x64
[20:54:40] <nicklas_> rhg135: have you done all updates, and cleaned all old deps?
[20:54:51] <mike-zal> what are old deps?
[20:55:09] <rhg135> I updated, sure
[20:55:26] <nicklas_> unwanted packages
[20:55:34] <mike-zal> yeah, always have system up to date
[20:55:39] <nicklas_> packages that are no longer needed, unmarked as deps
[20:55:56] <mike-zal> that's tricky on arch.
[20:56:12] <elvin_presler> Does nayone know anything about Thunar errors when running it via gksudo? I get the following in terminal every time I close Thunar, and the root preference settings are not saved.
[20:56:15] <elvin_presler> (thunar:1160): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid (NULL) pointer instance
[20:56:15] <elvin_presler> (thunar:1160): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion 'G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
[20:56:20] <nicklas_> seems more and more like buntu is my way to go
[20:56:41] <mike-zal> there is a command to get rid of orphans but automated list is often wrong, and you have to check them manually
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[20:57:34] <mike-zal> nicklas_: if you game a lot, then yeah, ubuntu seems a bit better. on the other hand, games tent to run better on arch if steam is working.
[20:57:51] <mike-zal> matter of finding a way to make steam work
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[20:58:41] <nicklas_> did you see my pastie?
[20:58:44] <nicklas_> http://pastebin.com/L5acw7Xs
[20:58:44] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Yl9VNV] [nicklas@nicklas-F751L ~]$ steam  steam      steamdeps    [nicklas@nicklas-F751L - Pastebin.com
[20:58:59] <mike-zal> nicklas_: I was even thinking about geting rid of bumblebee and switching to prime., like on ubuntu, but I cannot understand it. on ubuntu there is a simple package for that. it doesn't exits on arch, there are some confusing articles on arch wiki. I have no idea how to make it work
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[21:00:04] <mike-zal> nicklas_: you have "STEAM_RUNTIME is disabled by the user"
[21:00:16] <mike-zal> nicklas_: did you try to enable it again?
[21:00:16] <nicklas_> and will installing these deps that are not there solve things?: http://pastebin.com/jSVskxCG
[21:00:17] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/wWuNsS] [nicklas@nicklas-F751L ~]$ cd ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/; ldd steamclient - Pastebin.com
[21:00:30] <nicklas_> i havent done that
[21:00:35] <nicklas_> its from upstream
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[21:00:53] <mike-zal> really? strange.
[21:01:11] <mike-zal> nicklas_: your issue seems to be different then mine.
[21:01:25] <rhg135> Have you tried doing what the message says and reinstalling steam?
[21:01:32] <nicklas_> yup
[21:01:35] <nicklas_> didnt help
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[21:01:49] <nicklas_> even removed it completely with all deps, and reinstalled
[21:01:49] <mike-zal> nicklas_: you have either steam's inbult runtime or system one. try using one of them and see which one works for you
[21:01:51] <rhg135> As in actually reinstall
[21:02:12] <mike-zal> and no, I don't know commands, but they should be googlable
[21:02:55] <mike-zal> I don't think that disable steam runtime is correct and default behaviour
[21:03:02] <nicklas_> no
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[21:03:21] <mike-zal> some runtime must be used. steam or system one.
[21:03:36] <nicklas_> but this is starting to feel more and more like a dist change, ive had problems with steam many times since i started using manjaro months ago
[21:03:41] <nicklas_> yeah
[21:04:03] <mike-zal> nicklas_: my steam was working perfect till the latest updated.
[21:04:08] <nicklas_> i love aur, but this is getting extremely annoying
[21:04:10] <nicklas_> mine too
[21:04:43] <mike-zal> so I guess, it's not a manjaro fault, at least not entirely. steam is tricky and steam on arch can be even more tricky.
[21:05:11] <mike-zal> nicklas_: did you install runtime from aur? get rid of it. it's just a bad news, always causing issues.
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[21:05:26] <nicklas_> ah, yes i did i think
[21:05:45] <nicklas_> out of battery
[21:05:47] <mike-zal> then you know what to do
[21:05:53] <nicklas_> ?
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[21:05:59] <nicklas_> what should i do?
[21:06:04] <mike-zal> uninstal AUR runtime
[21:06:11] <nicklas_> dont know the name
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[21:06:26] <nicklas_> have it set to pull updates from aur automatically
[21:07:15] <mike-zal> nicklas_: check if you have any packages with steam in name from AUR
[21:07:58] <nicklas_> nah
[21:08:01] <nicklas_> multilib
[21:08:18] <nicklas_> gstreamer stuff got pulled from aur though
[21:08:29] <nicklas_> but gstreamer has nothing to do with steam right?
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[21:09:36] <mike-zal> no, it shouldn't
[21:09:59] <mike-zal> so you don't have steam-runtime from AUR?
[21:10:12] <nicklas_> i have no steam-runtime at all
[21:11:06] <mike-zal> then steam cannot run :P
[21:11:20] <mike-zal> your install is broken
[21:11:20] <nicklas_> http://i.imgur.com/NvbtyGT.png
[21:11:21] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Pz8LQq] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[21:11:35] <NanoSector> charge your laptop :x
[21:11:57] <nicklas_> i mean, its not even in repos
[21:12:05] <mike-zal> nicklas_: why do you have boths steams? use only one. either manjaro or native
[21:12:07] <NanoSector> steam-manjaro should work fine
[21:12:23] <mike-zal> you may have issues because two different steam versions are on the system
[21:12:29] <mike-zal> uninstall steam native nicklas_
[21:12:30] <rhg135> And indeed it does
[21:12:50] <rhg135> Not a single problem with it yet
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[21:14:23] <mike-zal> nicklas_: unistal steam native
[21:14:46] <mike-zal> you cannot run two different steam versions
[21:15:18] <mike-zal> nicklas_: also, your screen shows that you have some AUR steam packages, check them out and uninstall too
[21:15:41] <nicklas_> but i installed steam-native because steam-manjaro didnt work
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[21:15:53] <nicklas_> steam-native has worked in the past when steam-manjaro didnt
[21:15:56] <mike-zal> at least, this red dot points that some AUR search found something, not sure thou, not using pamac.
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[21:16:08] <nicklas_> and thats just the search, theres nothing installed from aur
[21:16:13] <mike-zal> nicklas_: ok, then try one of them. they may be in conflict now.
[21:16:22] <nicklas_> ill give you a screenie
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[21:16:56] <mike-zal> nicklas_: since manjaro and native have different versions, that may mess something
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[21:17:08] <mike-zal> maybe in the past they were even
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[21:19:15] <superbia> hey
[21:19:18] <superbia> Jeannie:
[21:19:25] <superbia> Jeannie: i luv u
[21:20:07] <superbia> Jeannie: pm now
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[21:20:26] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[21:20:39] <rhg135> Yo
[21:21:04] <nicklas_> this is weird, if i have steam-native pulls the needed deps, but not the steam runner
[21:21:16] <nicklas_> and steam-manjaro only pulls the runner
[21:21:31] <nicklas_> with both installed it wont start
[21:21:45] <nicklas_> but removing the steam-native package makes it work
[21:22:04] <nicklas_> but then it wants to remove all the deps that are not marked as deps anymore
[21:22:14] <nicklas_> this is a package maintainer issue
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[21:37:25] <superbia> rhg135: whazup
[21:37:59] <rhg135> Life and stuff, superbia
[21:38:12] <superbia> rhg135: did you get married yet?~
[21:39:52] <rhg135> ... uh, no
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[21:40:11] <superbia> good don't
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[21:41:49] <rhg135> Wasn't planning to, that's not just up to me you know
[21:42:40] <superbia> everything is up to you
[21:43:59] <rhg135> In theory, yes, but not in practice
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[21:44:44] <superbia> you need to get more experience
[21:44:47] <rhg135> And I meant it more as I don't really have a choice anyway :(
[21:45:15] * rhg135 is lonely forever
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[21:48:39] <superbia> america
[21:48:40] <superbia> ?
[21:52:47] <[red]claw> sup superbia
[21:52:51] <[red]claw> linuxkartoffel here
[21:53:05] <superbia> [red]claw: are you bi
[21:53:08] <[red]claw> kek
[21:53:10] <[red]claw> yes i am
[21:53:14] <superbia> ok it you indeed
[21:53:15] <superbia> kek
[21:53:21] <[red]claw> also have an girlfriend since 10 months
[21:53:27] <superbia> fuck me dead i am pusing constant 100+wpm
[21:53:30] <superbia> for last 10 minutes
[21:53:34] <superbia> my fingers will blow up
[21:53:46] <superbia> i thought i liked you [red]claw
[21:53:50] <[red]claw> kek
[21:53:57] <superbia> are you a trump supporter
[21:53:59] <[red]claw> query?
[21:54:02] <[red]claw> hell no
[21:54:08] <superbia> why the fuck do you have red in your nick name
[21:54:10] <superbia> for fucking same
[21:54:11] <superbia> sake
[21:54:28] <[red]claw> because i like the colour you noodlesoup
[21:55:05] <superbia> actually red is my favourite color
[21:55:10] <superbia> [red]claw: let's talk on manjaro
[21:55:15] <superbia> it brings me nice memories
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[21:55:22] <superbia> like when we first met
[21:55:49] <[red]claw> which is how long ago? already 3, 4 years i think
[21:55:53] <superbia> yea
[21:55:57] <superbia> i have grown older
[21:56:13] <[red]claw> man it has to be longer
[21:56:16] <[red]claw> i was 14 when i got here
[21:56:18] <[red]claw> i'm 19 now
[21:56:21] <superbia> how old
[21:56:32] <superbia> i am zvei
[21:56:42] <[red]claw> you're two?
[21:56:49] <superbia> zweizwanzingsten
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[21:57:15] <superbia> [red]claw: do you remmember semeion ?
[21:57:25] <[red]claw> sure i think
[21:57:28] <superbia> [red]claw: he got married %_%
[21:57:32] <[red]claw> oh wow
[21:57:37] <superbia> [red]claw: the waifu is a piece of DNA
[21:57:38] <[red]claw> better than us i guess :P
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[21:58:01] <[red]claw> But damn i'm 19 not even close to thinking of marrying yet
[21:58:10] <[red]claw> even though my gf loves this wedding series in the TV
[21:58:20] <superbia> disqusting
[21:58:22] <superbia> you having a gf
[21:58:24] <superbia> you should be out there
[21:58:25] <[red]claw> lel
[21:58:32] <superbia> tasting the pussy of the world
[21:58:35] <superbia> experimenting
[21:58:38] <superbia> like dexter
[21:58:42] <[red]claw> nah i'm fine
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[21:58:47] <PMunch> Like Dexter?
[21:59:03] <superbia> [red]claw: meet my friend PMunch
[21:59:05] <[red]claw> I like this "stable" life
[21:59:10] <PMunch> Hi [red]claw
[21:59:12] <superbia> [red]claw: once you left me, i had to find pleasures in other people
[21:59:13] <[red]claw> sup
[21:59:20] <[red]claw> superbia: well had to find myself
[21:59:24] <[red]claw> nearly became alcoholic
[21:59:28] <[red]claw> was depressive
[21:59:32] <[red]claw> now i'm back on track
[21:59:41] <superbia> tiling wm?
[21:59:43] <[red]claw> with a girl, in 8 months i go to university
[21:59:53] <[red]claw> nah not on my mobile device
[22:00:01] <[red]claw> on tower not even a GUI
[22:00:10] <superbia> c
[22:00:11] <superbia>  hc
[22:00:13] <superbia> hc
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[22:00:34] <superbia> red you can pm me the photos of the chick later
[22:00:42] <superbia> i'd like to give it my seal of approval
[22:00:54] <[red]claw> sure, if i find a 10/10 one of her
[22:01:00] <[red]claw> but what about you
[22:01:05] <[red]claw> still not stuck, eh?
[22:01:06] <superbia> il pm you a photo of me
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[22:01:21] <superbia> so you can fuck your girlfriend and have my photo on hte wall
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[22:02:12] <superbia> you should join the freeosc channel ... we don't spend much time on manjaro anymore...
[22:02:20] <superbia> sadly the distro has been drown to shit in last 2 years
[22:02:20] <PMunch> superbia looking down on you while doing the deed, no thanks :P
[22:02:21] <[red]claw> hehe
[22:02:31] <superbia> PMunch: hah....
[22:02:33] <PMunch> Ey, Manjaro is a good distro :)
[22:02:49] <superbia> PMunch: i will beg for your time in 2 weks, when i get assignments to code
[22:02:49] <PMunch> Was it better before?
[22:02:59] <superbia> PMunch: before 5 years manjaro was legendary
[22:02:59] <PMunch> Haha, sure
[22:03:05] <superbia> PMunch: ask [red]claw
[22:03:09] <PMunch> What was different?
[22:03:12] <[red]claw> PMunch: then it got too mainstream for us
[22:03:12] <superbia> my best irc times come's from that era
[22:03:15] <[red]claw> :P
[22:03:17] <[red]claw> yeay
[22:03:18] <superbia> :)
[22:03:27] <superbia> basically mainstream is the good word
[22:03:27] <[red]claw> 24/7 on irc with ringo, superbia and some other people
[22:04:18] <superbia> [red]claw: we even got a female mod in there
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[22:05:08] <[red]claw> oh
[22:05:10] <[red]claw> wow
[22:05:15] <superbia> yae
[22:05:29] <superbia> only purpuse of her is so that i can say it :D
[22:05:41] <superbia> and people go waauuoooooo
[22:05:45] <PMunch> Haha :P
[22:05:55] <[red]claw> the only way you interact with girls anyway :*
[22:06:02] <superbia> xD
[22:06:14] <superbia> i have taken a course of a cnn guy
[22:06:22] <superbia> im pretty comfy with social stuff now
[22:06:35] <[red]claw> nice
[22:06:44] <[red]claw> i also got pretty confident
[22:06:51] <[red]claw> but well, dating never really worked for me
[22:07:09] <superbia> the thing is
[22:07:17] <superbia> we wrote like 500 lines, just the 3 of us
[22:07:37] <superbia> time to move to the small crib
[22:07:42] <[red]claw> yeah
[22:07:45] <superbia> not wanting to disrupt the
[22:07:53] <[red]claw> also my znc backlog is not long enough for this
[22:07:53] <superbia> normal operational mode of this channel
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[22:36:28] <manjaro-web|5520> hi guys, is this the place to make some qutions?
[22:36:53] <mtn_> manjaro-web|5520: yes, ask your manjaro question
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[22:38:18] <manjaro-web|5520> i just installed a fresh majaro instalation. I replace my old / partition with the manjaro one and kept my /home as it was. The think is, that i cannot log in as the user i have provided exept as root
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[22:39:04] <manjaro-web|5520> is this something common? should i recreate the user? create a new one and move all my old home? If i create a new user it works fine
[22:39:57] <mtn_> manjaro-web|5520: did you create a user of the same name during install?
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[22:40:10] <manjaro-web|5520> yes, the same as my old one
[22:40:23] <mtn_> manjaro-web|5520: and did you give yourself the same password?
[22:40:39] <manjaro-web|5520> yes, all exacly the same
[22:40:46] <manjaro-web|5520> i even reset it as root to be sure
[22:41:08] <manjaro-web|5520> for the user i mean
[22:41:23] <mtn_> manjaro-web|5520: what happens when you try to login?
[22:41:47] <manjaro-web|5520> black screen which writes "vce init error (-22)"
[22:41:59] <manjaro-web|5520> repromt to login
[22:42:11] <manjaro-web|5520> rempromt to gui login
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[22:42:30] <manjaro-web|5520> i even tried to loging via tty and startx but failed
[22:42:43] <mtn_> manjaro-web|5520: if you google that, you will see it is a video driver error, so it should apply to all users
[22:42:55] <manjaro-web|5520> but it does not
[22:43:10] <mtn_> manjaro-web|5520: it could be a permissions/ownership problem with the old /home
[22:43:20] <manjaro-web|5520> oooh ok, i see
[22:43:29] <mtn_> manjaro-web|5520: might be easiest to do a backup and put in a new user
[22:43:50] <manjaro-web|5520> yes i think i will do just that, zip it move it unzip it
[22:44:24] <manjaro-web|5520> thanks a lot, i will do this and if i have a problem i will post it again here
[22:44:27] <eprice> any x window configs in the user director?
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[22:44:55] <manjaro-web|5520> let me restart this brick and i will come back
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[22:48:04] <Houst_we_have_pr> about the x configuration
[22:48:33] <Houst_we_have_pr> i manually copied the .xinitrc from the new user icreated and worked the my old user, but nothing
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[22:50:26] <eprice> permissions look fine?
[22:50:35] <eprice> on the entire directory
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[22:51:25] <Houst_we_have_pr> the owner, me has full read and write permissions. the group only read
[22:51:35] <Houst_we_have_pr> and others only read
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[22:53:52] <eprice> does the uid on the directory match the user?
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[22:55:07] <Houst_we_have_pr> let me check that
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[22:57:07] <Houst_we_have_pr> yep, they do match
[22:58:26] <eprice> hmm, im at a loss then. mtn_ suggestion on restoring to a new user might be the fastest fix
[22:58:58] <Houst_we_have_pr> yes i think i will do that, just cp everything
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[23:02:51] <houston_we_have_> FYI, i put my user to the sudoers file and tadaaaaaaaa
[23:03:02] <houston_we_have_> magic happened
[23:03:10] <houston_we_have_> thanks for the help
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[23:05:11] <eprice> nice
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