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[00:00:28] <d42> we all do that for this reason :^)
[00:01:05] <karenmcd> well, i experience latency, and there's no excuse for it other than wine just not playing nice with SC2 yet.. and i'm trying to see if i can make it more playable :p
[00:01:50] <d42> you could try wine-staging instead of wine, since it has some patches that didn't get to mainline yet ,_,
[00:02:04] <karenmcd> I use wine-staging yeah
[00:02:25] <karenmcd> 2.0rc6 specifically
[00:02:35] <d42> oh well
[00:03:50] <karenmcd> I have an Intel i7-5930K (12) @ 3.5GHz tho with 32gigs ram and a referb'd 780titan with 3gigs ddr4 vram.. and sc2 is running on a SSD.. so... uhhh i should not have framerate issues :p
[00:04:26] <d42> indeed it should not :^)
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[00:07:01] <karenmcd> so i suppose another work around from what i read on the FAQ in wine (re: 64bit apps) is that maybe i could find the 64bit libraries and then it might have an easier time running the 64bit game.. i still think from what i've read that the way linux allocates memory is not compatible with WINE/windows memory mapping tho
[00:08:23] <karenmcd> perhaps i need to learn how to make a windows virtual machine... although i've a hunch that accessing hardware through emulation will make the performance even worse
[00:08:45] <d42> karenmcd: not necessarily
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[00:10:48] <d42> from what i gather if your hardware supports iommu you can just do video passthrough to the virtual machine and the performance is close to native :^)
[00:11:01] <d42> that and have two video cards :^)
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[00:22:18] <Joseph> karenmcd: depends
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[00:22:34] <Joseph> karenmcd: if you use a hypervisor virtualizer, you can get near-native performance on the VM
[00:22:53] <Joseph> it's things like VMware and VirtualBox you need to avoid. Those are software virtualizers
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[02:02:07] <karenmcd> d42 what vm would be best then?
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[02:04:18] <karenmcd> and i would guess that i just 'enable virtualization' in the bios?
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[02:15:28] <d42> karenmcd: i havent tried it yet, but i've seen it done with libvirt/kvm i think
[02:16:04] <d42> i'm still waiting for a package from china to try it :^)
[02:19:30] <karenmcd> i will enable virtualization and give it a shot here... might hit up #winehq to see if i can get more support there for configuring sc2/wine to run in 64 bit.. the current sc2 page says folks just use 32 bit, but that's not a fix.. that's a workaround :p
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[02:35:06] <parityDrive> I can't seem to get manjaro (USB) to boot to desktop to install it.
[02:35:15] <parityDrive> All i get is a black screen with a cursor.
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[02:36:33] <parityDrive> I've tried nomodeset but samething.
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[02:40:35] <Osoolo> hi manajro setting manager is asking me to update kernel doi have to ?
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[02:46:15] <karenmcd> d42, i'm installing a qt5 gui for libvirt/kvm now
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[03:03:25] <ajh> sorry didn't see if anyone replied
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[03:07:38] <ajh> better question how do I get a stable goddamn connection with a broadcom chipset
[03:08:09] <Joseph> ajh: broadcom support on Linux is iffy, unfortunately. You have better luck on Atheros and Realtek
[03:08:53] <nicklas_> intel dualband with bluetooth is what im using, works swell
[03:09:15] <nicklas_> had a dualband atheros before, but think it has something realtek anyway
[03:09:30] <nicklas_> and it seems this new intel one also has some realtek stuff
[03:09:39] <Joseph> Yah
[03:09:41] <ajh> well it's integrated so I'm stuck with that. it's worked in the past
[03:09:53] <nicklas_> integrated?
[03:09:55] <nicklas_> laptop?
[03:10:07] <ajh> yep
[03:10:14] <nicklas_> a network card is almost never integrated
[03:10:30] <ajh> netbook really
[03:10:37] <BugzBunny> Hmmm
[03:10:50] <nicklas_> ive changed network card on both laptops and ultrabooks
[03:10:56] <nicklas_> netbooks? hm
[03:11:04] <Joseph> nicklas_: depends, on smaller netbooks and ultrabooks it can be soldered directly into the mobo
[03:11:08] <nicklas_> ive had an eeepc, but that was ages ago
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[03:11:12] <BugzBunny> You can change Network Cards on Laptops and Ultrabooks
[03:11:17] <Joseph> which makes servicing a bitch, but there you have it.
[03:11:20] <nicklas_> ah :-(
[03:11:23] <BugzBunny> Really?
[03:11:33] <Joseph> Depends on each manufacturer
[03:11:36] <Joseph> but it does happen
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[03:11:50] <Joseph> This is to make the form factor smaller. remember, this is a netbook
[03:11:59] <BugzBunny> Wow, you good at Component level engineer nicklas_
[03:12:06] <nicklas_> ajh: have you looked inside it?
[03:12:17] <nicklas_> BugzBunny: ?
[03:12:28] <Joseph> I mean I don't know if ajh's is truly soldered in or not, but it isn't unheard of
[03:12:40] <nicklas_> i see
[03:13:02] <nicklas_> just thought that it never happened, cause ive never seen it
[03:13:04] <BugzBunny> nicklas_, What type of laptops have you worked on
[03:13:14] <BugzBunny> I need to jam to music
[03:13:20] <BugzBunny> Time to switch to Linux
[03:13:26] <nicklas_> hm, asus, compaq, some other
[03:13:28] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor               (3.20GHz) • Memory: 7.9 GiB Total (1.1 GiB Free) • Storage: 867.3 GiB / 931.6 GiB (64.2 GiB Free) • VGA: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics • Uptime: 1d 8h 27m 7s
[03:13:30] <parityDrive> Sigh I can't get to the desktop of my USB .
[03:13:31] <nicklas_> packard bell
[03:13:40] <parityDrive> ALl i get is a flashing cursor
[03:13:47] <nicklas_> asus are the best
[03:13:57] <BugzBunny> nicklas_, They have removable network cards? What year?
[03:14:06] <nicklas_> i will probably always go with asus for myself
[03:14:13] <nicklas_> which ones?
[03:14:21] <nicklas_> and yeah
[03:14:28] <BugzBunny> Let me reboot to linux
[03:14:35] <BugzBunny> brb, ssd, seconds
[03:14:52] <BugzBunny> Depending if windows shutdown completely
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[03:14:54] <BugzBunny> maybe longer
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[03:15:28] <nicklas_> he left :-(
[03:15:35] <Joseph> yeah, ping out
[03:15:49] <Joseph> Broadcom after all :)
[03:15:59] <nicklas_> ah :-(
[03:16:20] <nicklas_> i dunno if manjaro/arch is the best broadcom dist
[03:16:35] <nicklas_> but then again i dont know about the other dists either
[03:16:53] <Joseph> Well in terms of native support built into the kernel itself it should be, the kernels for Arch are the latest generally
[03:18:04] <nicklas_> sure, but latest doesnt always mean greatest
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[03:19:09] <BugzBunny> nicklas_, What model of laptops have removable network cards
[03:19:21] <BugzBunny> Resuming in non X mode: xdpyinfo not found. For package install advice run: inxi --recommends
[03:19:21] <BugzBunny> CPU~Quad core AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core (-HT-MCP-) speed/max~1400/3200 MHz Kernel~4.8.14-1-zen x86_64 Up~2 min Mem~396.1/7885.2MB HDD~1128.0GB(1.5% used) Procs~191 Client~HexChat 2.12.4 inxi~2.3.8
[03:19:22] <nicklas_> well
[03:19:25] <nicklas_> many does
[03:19:45] <BugzBunny> I am curious, that's all
[03:20:04] <nicklas_> i havent met any laptop that doesnt so far
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[03:21:09] <BugzBunny> Name one, I have HP Envy
[03:21:14] <BugzBunny> and a HP something
[03:21:38] <BugzBunny> For Wifi, yes, you can remove those
[03:21:50] <BugzBunny> For Ethernet?
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[03:26:02] <BugzBunny> nicklas_, Disagree?
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[03:46:17] <karenmcd> how would i manually load a kernel module? "$ lsmod | grep virtio" returns nothing, and i'm afraid of breaking my OS.
[03:46:42] <karenmcd> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_modules#Manual_module_handling
[03:46:43] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/5rdLFJ] Kernel modules - ArchWiki
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[03:47:27] <karenmcd> this doesn't tell me how i load the module.. and i'm not finding directions online on how to specifically load the virtio module
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[03:48:44] <BugzBunny> In a Guest?
[03:49:11] <ajh> the dkms broadcom wl works
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[03:49:33] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, In a Guest?
[03:49:51] <BugzBunny> ajh, Wow, you one of the lucky ones
[03:50:20] <karenmcd> ummmm, I don't know what you mean. I'm trying to load a VM on my desktop
[03:51:43] <karenmcd> I am a su, if that's what you mean.. and i have access to the root account, but folks online say not to run the virtual machine managers as root/su... so i'm trying to set it up right.. or maybe idk what your talking about when you ask "guest"
[03:51:56] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, Well, load a VM on my desktop is bad wording, rather you trying to launch a VM on your desktop, and I assuming because you give very little information, you are using QEMU (KVM)
[03:51:57] <karenmcd> your=you're*
[03:52:12] <BugzBunny> ?
[03:52:27] <karenmcd> Thanks - let me clarify that a bit more then :)
[03:54:08] <karenmcd> i installed libvirt, virt-install, virt-manager, virt-viewer + dependencies through pamac-manager
[03:54:22] <BugzBunny> okay
[03:54:40] <karenmcd> i was hoping to run KVM over QEMU
[03:54:50] <BugzBunny> QEMU only USE KVM
[03:55:13] <BugzBunny> QEMU only applies when you change the guest CPU
[03:55:19] <BugzBunny> from the HOST
[03:55:42] <BugzBunny> So, you emulate Intell P3 for example
[03:55:57] <karenmcd> ^ This is all greek to me
[03:56:07] <BugzBunny> okay okay okay
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[03:56:23] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, I try to explain as best I can..
[03:56:57] <karenmcd> can i explain the error i get when i try to run virtual machine manager? or are you telling me i need to remove it?
[03:57:18] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, Well, I think you should know how it works
[03:57:28] <BugzBunny> I was in the middle typying of sentence
[03:57:34] <BugzBunny> :-p
[03:57:49] <karenmcd> Okay, i'll try listening first, thanks, i'd rather know how it works too
[03:58:11] <BugzBunny> Now, I have to start over
[03:58:16] <BugzBunny> hmm
[03:59:31] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, QEMU, depending the CPU type you choose, how performance is going to work, now with KVM, typically HOST CPU is the fastest, any other CPU type.. QEMU have to do translate by software and it will be slow
[04:00:05] <BugzBunny> That's important to know
[04:00:20] <BugzBunny> Now, pastebin the error in Pastebin
[04:00:25] <BugzBunny> !pastebin
[04:00:25] <Botergos> Please use a pastebin service for large files. Common pastebins include http://hastebin.com/, http://ptpb.pw/, http://pastebin.com/
[04:01:29] <karenmcd> https://hastebin.com/yogugesige.sql
[04:01:30] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ZzKA6T] hastebin
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[04:02:47] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, The error is imcomplete, what you did before hand to get that error
[04:03:05] <BugzBunny> I want to see the terminal commands you enter
[04:03:18] <BugzBunny> Exactly they are
[04:03:19] <karenmcd> that's all that gui showed me
[04:03:28] <BugzBunny> oO, the GUI
[04:03:29] <BugzBunny> k
[04:03:49] <Joseph> ...the GUI?
[04:04:01] <BugzBunny> He has virt-manager
[04:04:08] <Joseph> I see
[04:04:09] <karenmcd> this is only a 2 line error in the Qt VirtManager... I can paste 2 lines here?
[04:04:22] <BugzBunny> virt-manager, I think you pick the wrong choices
[04:04:26] <karenmcd> ERROR: VirtError(38) : Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock-ro': No such file or directory : [ WARNING: Make sure the required Libvirt or another service is installed and running ]
[04:04:38] <karenmcd> ohhh
[04:04:39] <BugzBunny> lxc:///
[04:05:02] <BugzBunny> You want qemu:///
[04:05:36] <BugzBunny> Also, you need to make sure you have the proper tools installed for QEMU to work
[04:05:46] <karenmcd> yeah, i was on qemu:///system
[04:05:51] <karenmcd> that's how i got that error
[04:06:04] <karenmcd> (the error in hastebin)
[04:06:17] <BugzBunny>  Well, it says lxc://
[04:06:33] <BugzBunny> Well, umm, build a new machine setup
[04:06:53] <karenmcd> https://hastebin.com/yarexuyaki.sql
[04:06:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bz5QaO] hastebin
[04:06:57] <BugzBunny> Oh, btw, you need libvd service
[04:07:05] <BugzBunny> libvirtd service running
[04:07:14] <BugzBunny> systemctl status libvirtd
[04:07:17] <karenmcd> you're right, yeah, that's what i was asking about when i started
[04:07:50] <karenmcd> ● libvirtd.service - Virtualization daemon
[04:07:50] <karenmcd>    Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/libvirtd.service; disabled; vendor pr
[04:07:50] <karenmcd>    Active: inactive (dead)
[04:07:50] <karenmcd>      Docs: man:libvirtd(8)
[04:07:50] <karenmcd>            http://libvirt.org
[04:07:51] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bTq9Bd] libvirt: The virtualization API
[04:07:55] <karenmcd> oh shoot
[04:08:01] <BugzBunny> Start it
[04:09:56] <karenmcd> okay, that's got a new error when i try to start it qemu:///system...
[04:11:04] <karenmcd> https://hastebin.com/gobimiwofa.swift
[04:11:05] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ciWjAj] hastebin
[04:11:38] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, You can pastebin, I say, letst 5 lines
[04:11:43] <BugzBunny> Here
[04:11:51] <BugzBunny> Not 100 lines
[04:12:56] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, Your Host CPU is 64bit?
[04:13:40] <karenmcd> yes, CPU: Intel i7-5930K (12) @ 3.5GHz
[04:13:58] <karenmcd> 6 core, 2 thread thing i think makes it think 12 cpus.. heh
[04:14:30] <BugzBunny> Then you picking the wrong settings, LIBVirt is saying, I can't emulatate x86_64
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[04:16:44] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, Unable to connect to libvirt.
[04:16:47] <BugzBunny> This bother me
[04:16:56] <BugzBunny> You sure libvirtd is running
[04:17:05] <BugzBunny> systemctl status libvirtd
[04:17:21] <BugzBunny> Pastebin here
[04:17:24] <karenmcd> systemctl status libvirtd
[04:17:25] <karenmcd> ● libvirtd.service - Virtualization daemon
[04:17:25] <karenmcd>    Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/libvirtd.service; disabled; vendor preset: disabled)
[04:17:25] <karenmcd>    Active: active (running) since Sat 2017-02-04 19:08:36 PST; 8min ago
[04:17:34] <BugzBunny> k
[04:17:38] <karenmcd> there are some errors below..
[04:17:57] <karenmcd> it's 20 lines, i'll pastebin it online.. 1 sec
[04:18:02] <BugzBunny> k
[04:18:59] <karenmcd> https://hastebin.com/rajogewego.lua
[04:19:02] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/CGQjaL] hastebin
[04:19:15] <karenmcd> threw a neofetch in there too, but the next command was below
[04:20:24] <karenmcd> hmmm
[04:20:28] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, pacman -Qs qemu
[04:21:39] <karenmcd> local/libvirt 3.0.0-1    API for controlling virtualization engines (openvz,kvm,qemu,virtualbox,xen,etc) local/virt-manager-qt5 0.37.56-1    Qt5 Virtual Machine Manager provides a graphical tool for administering virtual machines for QEMU/KVM, Xen, and LXC and other Virtual Entities. Uses libvirt as the backend management    API.
[04:22:21] <BugzBunny> pacman -Qs qemu
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[04:22:43] <BugzBunny> I want the lines, and you can pastebin here, you smart enough to keep it short
[04:23:00] <BugzBunny> I also, I want you type that command and the output
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[04:23:19] <karenmcd> $ pacman -Qs qemu
[04:23:19] <karenmcd> local/libvirt 3.0.0-1
[04:23:19] <karenmcd>     API for controlling virtualization engines (openvz,kvm,qemu,virtualbox,xen,etc)
[04:23:19] <karenmcd> local/virt-manager-qt5 0.37.56-1
[04:23:19] <karenmcd>     Qt5 Virtual Machine Manager provides a graphical tool for administering virtual machines for QEMU/KVM, Xen, and LXC and other Virtual Entities. Uses libvirt as the backend management
[04:23:21] <karenmcd>     API.
[04:23:30] <BugzBunny> Perfect
[04:24:04] <BugzBunny> Hmm, that's not the results I wanted, let me see here on ArchLinux very quick
[04:24:50] <karenmcd> ummmm
[04:25:06] <BugzBunny> [root@DESKTOP-8RF1D0U ~]# pacman -Ss qemu
[04:25:07] <BugzBunny> extra/ovmf 18419-1
[04:25:07] <BugzBunny>     Tianocore UEFI firmware for qemu.
[04:25:07] <BugzBunny> extra/qemu 2.8.0-1 [installed]
[04:25:17] <BugzBunny> pacman -S qemu
[04:25:19] <karenmcd> lol
[04:25:51] <karenmcd> *facepalm* now i feel kinda stupid
[04:26:43] <BugzBunny> Ask Joseph , I don't consider people stupid, one can make mistakes
[04:26:58] <Joseph> :-/
[04:26:58] <BugzBunny> But I have no idea why you feel stupid about?
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[04:27:02] <karenmcd> oh, how do i make that libvirtd service auto-load at boot?
[04:27:31] <BugzBunny> systemctl enable libvirtd
[04:28:10] <karenmcd> well, i was led to believe that i didn't need to install qemu because i thought i read that it was included in kernels since 2.4+ or something like that, so i presumed it was installed, simply not enabled/configured yet
[04:28:44] <BugzBunny> no
[04:28:52] <BugzBunny> KVM is part of the Kernel
[04:28:55] <BugzBunny> TO use it
[04:28:57] <BugzBunny> QEMU
[04:29:13] <karenmcd> it was not mentioned in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KVM that i needed to install qemu
[04:29:14] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7LCSKB] KVM - ArchWiki
[04:29:15] <BugzBunny> VirtualBox also supports KVM
[04:29:34] <karenmcd> ohhhh
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[04:31:59] <BugzBunny> KVM stands for Kernel Virtual Machine
[04:32:15] <BugzBunny> VirtualBOx supports KVM after 5.x
[04:32:22] <karenmcd> BugzBunny thank you for your patience with me - and walking me through that - I appreaciate it a lot
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[04:32:23] <BugzBunny> 4.x doesn't support KVM
[04:32:43] <BugzBunny> karenmcd, Dude, I have no fucking problem helping you man
[04:33:01] <BugzBunny> I don't need thank you or priase
[04:33:08] <BugzBunny> I don't need it at all
[04:33:25] <BugzBunny> But be happy that your problem is solved
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[04:34:56] <karenmcd> well, i feel like the world doesn't show that they're grateful enough for the work folks do for them. you (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't have to help me, however, i appreciate it.
[04:36:00] <BugzBunny> k, I appreciate that
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[04:46:37] <dodgejcr> BugzBunny: I think Im going to start a new build and sell my fx
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[04:48:44] <BugzBunny> dodgejcr, I am starting to like my FX chip
[04:48:47] <BugzBunny> The temp
[04:48:57] <BugzBunny> but what you going to build?
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[04:53:13] <noobjaro> hey all
[04:53:19] <noobjaro> can someone help me with installing?
[04:53:28] <noobjaro> I've set / /home and swap
[04:53:51] <noobjaro> on the drive, but my Windows boot is on a separate drive.
[04:54:10] <noobjaro> Where do I install boot/efi (or grub??)
[04:54:47] <dodgejcr> BugzBunny probably i7 haven't decided yet
[04:55:53] <noobjaro> anyone?
[04:56:09] <dodgejcr> noobjaro, Mount your efi partition to /boot/efi
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[04:56:36] <noobjaro> What?
[04:57:16] <BugzBunny> I can't remember Manjaro installer
[04:57:23] <noobjaro> Mount the windows efi partition from /dev/sdd to /dev/sde?
[04:57:37] <noobjaro> I have Windows installed on sdd and I'm install Manjaro on sde
[04:57:48] <dodgejcr> Not the windows partition, the efi partition
[04:57:49] <BugzBunny> It's not Windows EFI partition
[04:57:54] <BugzBunny> Right
[04:58:12] <dodgejcr> Its okay that it is on a separate drive
[04:58:39] <noobjaro> Oh so make an efi partition on sde?
[04:58:46] <BugzBunny> No
[04:58:55] <BugzBunny> Do you already have a EFI partion?
[04:59:01] <noobjaro> No
[04:59:16] <BugzBunny> Okay, is this a Laptop or Desktop?
[04:59:16] <noobjaro> and on the windows drive on the installer I don't see anything labeled as such
[04:59:20] <noobjaro> Desktop
[04:59:26] <dodgejcr> So windows is installed without efi?
[04:59:37] <BugzBunny> What Windows version?
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[04:59:45] <noobjaro> Win10
[04:59:52] <noobjaro> and I don't remember if it is.
[05:00:02] <BugzBunny> You can have EFI partition on multiple drives
[05:00:05] <dodgejcr> Well I'm using 10 and not efi but I'm not the norm
[05:00:09] <noobjaro> there is a partition on the Windows drive that says Unknown and its 128mb
[05:00:22] <BugzBunny> but you can't have multiple EFI partitions on the same drive
[05:00:41] <noobjaro> Ok so make a EFI partition on sde?
[05:00:46] <dodgejcr> Probably it, to test you can Mount that partition and look inside
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[05:00:50] <noobjaro> These are separate disks.
[05:00:53] <noobjaro> ok give me a sec.
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[05:02:34] <noobjaro> hmm not letting me mount
[05:02:37] <noobjaro> let me pastebin
[05:02:45] <BugzBunny> Pastebin here
[05:02:58] <dodgejcr> might need -t vfat
[05:02:59] <BugzBunny> Nothing to long
[05:03:04] <BugzBunny> Right
[05:03:06] <noobjaro> http://pastebin.com/FjVZVQUN
[05:03:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/JEXnuj] [manjaro@manjaro /]$ sudo mount /dev/sdd /mnt  NTFS signature is missing.  Faile - Pastebin.com
[05:03:27] <BugzBunny> I read the title, that's is NTFS-3G
[05:03:27] <dodgejcr> well, you cant mount the entire drive
[05:03:37] <noobjaro> ok lol
[05:03:46] <BugzBunny> You need boot into Windows to fix that
[05:03:57] <dodgejcr> should be a partition number like sdd1/sdd2/sdd3
[05:04:00] <noobjaro> same even if i mount the partition
[05:04:07] <noobjaro> err try to mount*
[05:04:16] <BugzBunny> dodgejcr, You helping him?
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[05:04:20] <BugzBunny> Let me shut up
[05:04:22] <BugzBunny> xD
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[05:04:34] <BugzBunny> Too many cooks in the kitchen
[05:04:52] <dodgejcr> meh BugzBunny we both can lol Im about to have to put the kids to bed anyway
[05:05:18] <BugzBunny> k
[05:05:26] <dodgejcr> noobjaro: best we see the partition layouts of both disks to see if you have an efi partition
[05:05:35] <noobjaro> k
[05:05:39] <dodgejcr> lsblk -f and fdisk -l
[05:05:43] <noobjaro> 1 sec
[05:05:46] <noobjaro> and I'll pastebin
[05:06:31] <noobjaro> http://pastebin.com/scwFAFR3
[05:06:32] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/hh5efo] [manjaro@manjaro /]$ lsblk -f  NAME   FSTYPE  LABEL           UUID               - Pastebin.com
[05:07:39] <noobjaro> http://pastebin.com/ktue4hNF
[05:07:41] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/K2IK5e] isk /dev/sdd: 232.9 GiB, 250059350016 bytes, 488397168 sectors  Units: sectors o - Pastebin.com
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[05:08:09] <noobjaro> so /sdd2 (Windows disk) is efi
[05:08:21] <dodgejcr> sdd2 yup
[05:08:29] <noobjaro> and /sde1 = the other.
[05:08:36] <noobjaro> ok so what now?
[05:08:38] <manjaro-kde5-> steam wont open help
[05:08:38] <dodgejcr> BugzBunny: might got i7-7700k
[05:08:51] <BugzBunny> No
[05:09:08] <dodgejcr> noobjaro: you have two windows installs?
[05:09:12] <noobjaro> No
[05:09:26] <BugzBunny> It's has to be marked as ESP, EFI file system
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[05:09:42] <noobjaro> Should I delete that sde1 and recreate efi?
[05:09:50] <noobjaro> or just edit it and set that as /boot/efi?
[05:09:53] <dodgejcr> no, you already have one
[05:09:59] <BugzBunny> That's assumption that it is vfat
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[05:10:04] <BugzBunny> and EFI
[05:10:17] <BugzBunny> because You have two disk that have vfat partitions
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[05:10:29] <manjaro-kde5-> can someone help me with how to open steam ?
[05:10:42] <noobjaro> Ok BugzBunny what do I do then?
[05:10:42] <dodgejcr> manjaro-kde5-: without an error or some more information no we can not
[05:10:55] <noobjaro> just edit the sde1 to mount to /boot/efi?
[05:11:10] <dodgejcr> noobjaro: is sde going to be soley manjaro?
[05:11:12] <BugzBunny> "├─sde1 vfat    UEFI_SYSTEM     CA01-0339 ", seems to be propely labeled
[05:11:14] <noobjaro> Yup
[05:11:14] <dodgejcr> with nothing else on it?
[05:11:33] <noobjaro> Yup plan to keep Windows & Mangaro separate.
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[05:11:40] <noobjaro> but will need to dual boot
[05:11:52] <BugzBunny> I want fdisk -l
[05:11:59] <dodgejcr> second link
[05:12:04] <BugzBunny> Oh
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[05:12:22] <noobjaro> There's other drives but i didn't thiink those are needed.
[05:12:34] <dodgejcr> looks like windows already has efi at sdd2. and you made one at sde1 right?
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[05:12:43] <noobjaro> Nope
[05:12:51] <noobjaro> I formatted that drive in windows
[05:13:01] <dodgejcr> oh
[05:13:03] <noobjaro> There's an NTFS partition on it.
[05:13:14] <BugzBunny> Wipe the disk, when you partition, make sure to specify /boot/efi
[05:13:15] <dodgejcr> well still looks like windows is using sdd2 as it should
[05:13:29] <BugzBunny> I think that's the easiest
[05:13:29] <noobjaro> which currently has Manjaro distros + Antergos
[05:13:39] <noobjaro> There's nothing else on it.
[05:13:50] <BugzBunny> In fact
[05:13:53] <noobjaro> Ok I can do that via the installer correct?
[05:13:55] <BugzBunny> What BIOS do you have?
[05:14:02] <noobjaro> Delete the partitions create etc?
[05:14:12] <noobjaro> It's a Gigabyte Z170X
[05:14:20] <noobjaro> Using latest F7 bios
[05:14:38] <BugzBunny> Can the BIOS boot EFI and Legacy MBR at the same time?
[05:15:01] <noobjaro> I will have to check the manual, since I'm in the installer on here right now :P
[05:15:25] <BugzBunny> Well, partition 20MB for EFI
[05:15:43] <BugzBunny> For GRUB, make sure to select /boot/efi
[05:15:52] <BugzBunny> You should be fine
[05:16:08] <noobjaro> i could always run sudo update-grub to fix it correct?
[05:18:05] <noobjaro> Boot options are Legacy only, UEFI only or disabled
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[05:19:12] <BugzBunny> Why do you need to run update-grub? aka grub-mkconfig?
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[05:19:28] <BugzBunny> You need to only update if you install a new kernel
[05:19:48] <noobjaro> I read if you can't boot into Windows (no option) this will fix it.
[05:19:58] <BugzBunny> Grub-EFI, will respect /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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[05:20:16] <BugzBunny> Well, that shouldn't matter with EFI
[05:20:38] <BugzBunny> Go to you BIOS, and just select Windows Bootloadr
[05:20:56] <noobjaro> True.
[05:21:55] <noobjaro> 35gb for / good enough?
[05:21:57] <BugzBunny> dodgejcr, I am on the red team 100%, blue team, green team
[05:22:04] <BugzBunny> NO fucking way
[05:22:08] <noobjaro> less?
[05:22:21] <BugzBunny> More than enough
[05:22:26] <BugzBunny> But depends
[05:22:33] <BugzBunny> You plan to install a lot applications
[05:22:41] <BugzBunny> like a lot
[05:22:46] <noobjaro> Not sure right now.
[05:22:57] <noobjaro> Probably some dev tools (learning java etc).
[05:23:03] <noobjaro> Beets
[05:23:07] <noobjaro> I dunno right now.
[05:23:34] <BugzBunny> I use 20GB
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[05:23:46] <BugzBunny> What I find, Wine takes up a lot space
[05:23:53] <BugzBunny> Another is Locale
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[05:28:10] <noobjaro> http://i.imgur.com/2maeg7n.png look out BugzBunny ?
[05:28:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/cov3WO] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[05:28:20] <noobjaro> ok* not out.
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[05:32:30] <BugzBunny> noobjaro, Looks good to me, 200MB for EFI?
[05:32:33] <BugzBunny> Man
[05:32:38] <BugzBunny> Too much
[05:32:39] <noobjaro> Ya it just failed.
[05:32:46] <noobjaro> I need to wipe the drive and do it
[05:33:09] <BugzBunny> Well, you going to install other shit on that disk?
[05:33:14] <noobjaro> No
[05:33:20] <noobjaro> Strictly for Manjaro
[05:33:26] <noobjaro> 20mb efi
[05:33:30] <noobjaro> should be ok?
[05:33:51] <BugzBunny> I say 35MB because I don't know how large GRUB EFI files is
[05:34:07] <BugzBunny> I can check here
[05:34:12] <BugzBunny> Let me see
[05:34:14] <BugzBunny> one moment
[05:34:23] <noobjaro> K
[05:34:34] <noobjaro> also for efi FS should be ext4?
[05:34:44] <BugzBunny> NO
[05:35:32] <BugzBunny> BIOS (EFI FIRMWARE), will only respect GPT partition table with FAT32 Filesystem Marked as ESP
[05:35:42] <noobjaro> ya sorry just noticed that.
[05:36:38] <noobjaro> hmm flags for boot/efi (boot, esp) don't stick if I delete the partitions and manually do it.
[05:37:46] <BugzBunny> noobjaro, https://hastebin.com/xupigisawo.pl
[05:37:47] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/HZmWmj] hastebin
[05:38:44] <noobjaro> I don't know what I'm looking at tbh.
[05:39:46] <rhg135> this computer is so slow, sigh
[05:39:52] <BugzBunny> Well, 24M     /boot/efi
[05:39:55] <BugzBunny> So
[05:40:02] <BugzBunny> That's with Windows EFI
[05:40:22] <noobjaro> I set it to 35 to be safe
[05:40:29] <BugzBunny> sweet
[05:40:41] <noobjaro> sorry for all the questions.
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[05:40:52] <BugzBunny> noobjaro, No, that's no problem
[05:40:53] <noobjaro> I've heard great things about Manjaro
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[05:41:07] <BugzBunny> But I had hopped you you understood
[05:41:13] <BugzBunny> hoped*
[05:41:17] <noobjaro> I've used Ubuntu (p.o.s imho) including Mint/Elementary.
[05:41:33] <noobjaro> I kind of thought that's what it was BugzBunny but wasn't sure.
[05:42:01] <BugzBunny> I don't aggree, they all open source software
[05:42:20] <BugzBunny> So, it's not P.O.S to me, just we don't like
[05:42:50] <noobjaro> well, ya that's what I meant :P
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[05:43:38] <noobjaro> Hopefully I don't have to worry about black screen with blinking cursor.
[05:44:00] <noobjaro> I had to add modprobe.blacklist=nvidia-current for it to boot into desktop to install.
[05:44:05] <BugzBunny> aye, shit happens mate
[05:44:10] <BugzBunny> tbh
[05:44:34] <BugzBunny> LOL, Linux ftw
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[05:45:04] <noobjaro> Ya I have a GTX1070 and I don't think the drivers and the kernel like each other.
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[05:46:53] <noobjaro> ok installing finally :)
[05:47:05] <BugzBunny> awersome
[05:47:18] <noobjaro> should I use nouveau drivers?
[05:47:27] <BugzBunny> red team
[05:47:35] <BugzBunny> green team, I spit
[05:47:36] <noobjaro> ah
[05:47:38] * BugzBunny spits
[05:47:59] <noobjaro> I went from a AMX 270x to GTX1070.
[05:48:07] <noobjaro> I got it for $300 :P
[05:48:09] <BugzBunny> AMX?
[05:48:15] <noobjaro> AMD
[05:48:18] <noobjaro> sorry lol
[05:48:22] <BugzBunny> Nah
[05:48:23] <BugzBunny> LOL
[05:48:34] <BugzBunny> I was thinking, like that's must be some new shit
[05:48:38] <noobjaro> DMC 270X Where Ma Dogs At Editiion.
[05:48:42] <BugzBunny> lol hahah
[05:48:47] <noobjaro> DMX 270X Where Ma Dogs At Editiion.
[05:48:50] <noobjaro> fml
[05:48:51] <BugzBunny> You say DMC
[05:49:12] <BugzBunny> I am actually listening to a song from the Artist DMC
[05:49:23] <BugzBunny> Irony
[05:49:27] <noobjaro> Run DMC?
[05:49:36] <BugzBunny> NO, not that old shit
[05:49:49] <noobjaro> ah
[05:50:05] <noobjaro> I just got into passtheheadphones so my drum and bass is increasing.
[05:52:51] <BugzBunny> What?
[05:52:56] <noobjaro> long story
[05:52:59] <noobjaro> rebooting.
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[05:53:27] <dodgejcr> just got back, you get him fixed up?
[05:54:12] <BugzBunny> I think he determined what he wanted
[05:54:16] <BugzBunny> And installed
[05:54:21] <dodgejcr> fair enough
[05:54:27] <BugzBunny> So he rebooting
[05:54:45] <dodgejcr> nice. I have to start on this homework :/
[05:54:55] <dodgejcr> maybe play dungeoneers first
[05:54:57] <BugzBunny> How old are you?
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[05:54:59] <dodgejcr> kill some dragons
[05:55:07] <BugzBunny> I am Haitian American, 34
[05:55:11] <dodgejcr> BugzBunny: over 30 :D
[05:55:18] <dodgejcr> younger than you
[05:55:35] <BugzBunny> You scared?
[05:55:43] <BugzBunny> Then, tell me in PM?
[05:56:21] <dodgejcr> nah just never disclose my age lol. Its a thing. Always has been
[05:57:20] <BugzBunny> Yeah, I am not scared that I am Black, and I am Haitian American
[05:58:00] <BugzBunny> Anyway
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[05:59:04] <BugzBunny> dodgejcr, Why Intel?
[05:59:12] <dodgejcr> I dont even know what race I am. not white, not black somewhere in between. Mom was white, thats all I know
[05:59:45] <dodgejcr> BugzBunny: because my intel desktop is now my wife's business computer.
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[06:00:49] <BugzBunny> So, you have young Wife
[06:01:20] <dodgejcr> shes 3 years older than I
[06:01:21] <BugzBunny> But, your FX 8350 does do it for you?
[06:01:44] <BugzBunny> 1 year older than doesn't mean shit
[06:01:55] <BugzBunny> but anyway xD
[06:02:44] <dodgejcr> lol yeah fx does great. It was the first amd build I have done in years because I wanted to see how they are doing. They are doing well. Now I know
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[06:05:44] <BugzBunny> dodgejcr, That's it? So you wife pertinently need Intell ?
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[06:08:02] <BugzBunny> How do you shuffle in Banshee
[06:08:08] <manjaro-kde5-> can someone help me with steam ?
[06:10:33] <BugzBunny> WHAT PROBLEM
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[06:12:52] <manjaro-kde5-> i open steam nothing happens
[06:13:56] <BugzBunny> Yes, that's how it works, you open steam, nothing happens, we monkeys give you a fucking answer
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[06:14:10] <manjaro-kde5-> steam
[06:14:12] <manjaro-kde5-> Repairing installation, linking /home/sudersan/.steam/steam to /home/sudersan/.local/share/Steam
[06:14:13] <manjaro-kde5-> Running Steam on manjarolinux 16.10.3 64-bit
[06:14:15] <manjaro-kde5-> STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
[06:14:16] <manjaro-kde5-> Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(0)
[06:14:18] <manjaro-kde5-> /home/sudersan/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib32/libxcb-dri3.so.0: undefined symbol: xcb_send_request_with_fds
[06:14:19] <manjaro-kde5-> /home/sudersan/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 444: no match: ssfn*
[06:14:21] <manjaro-kde5-> does this help ?
[06:14:41] <BugzBunny> Why should I fucking help you?
[06:15:04] <manjaro-kde5-> becoz i need help lol
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[06:15:37] <rhg135> dodgejcr: the amount of time it takes to render vectors an this box says otherwise lol
[06:16:03] <rhg135> or did they offload that to the gpu these days?
[06:16:54] <BugzBunny> "<manjaro-kde5-> /home/sudersan/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib32/libxcb-dri3.so.0: undefined symbol: xcb_send_request_with_fds"
[06:17:03] <BugzBunny> This is Manjaro?
[06:17:11] <manjaro-kde5-> yes
[06:17:40] <BugzBunny> Delete /home/sudersan/.local/share/Steam
[06:18:45] <manjaro-kde5-> i deleted should i open steam now ?
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[06:19:40] <omarramo> hey guys, I jsut installed manjaro XFCE and I ticked the checkbox for decrpytion while installing. but now I am being asked to decrypt the disk before (or during) grub, not after plus it takes ~30 seconds to decrypt
[06:19:58] <omarramo> can I somehow permanently decrypt the disk?
[06:21:07] <manjaro-kde5-> i tried toopen steam after deleting but stillit wont open
[06:22:08] <physkets> omarramo: yes, re-install without encryption
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[06:24:27] <manjaro-kde5-> bugzbunny
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[06:25:02] <BugzBunny> manjaro-kde5-, Did you delete it?
[06:25:08] <manjaro-kde5-> yes
[06:25:21] <BugzBunny> Pastebin what happens?
[06:25:25] <manjaro-kde5-> i deleted it and open steam still nothing happenes
[06:25:34] <BugzBunny> Nothing more then 20 lines
[06:25:47] <BugzBunny> This is Manjaro?
[06:25:49] <manjaro-kde5-> how to paste bin sorry i am noob
[06:26:08] <BugzBunny> I don't believe you on Manjaro
[06:26:46] <manjaro-kde5-> lol i am using manjaro 16.10.3 64 bit kde
[06:27:18] <BugzBunny> I want 'cat /etc/*-release' and past it here
[06:28:12] <BugzBunny> BTW, open a terminal program
[06:28:16] <manjaro-kde5-> ok
[06:28:19] <manjaro-kde5-> opened
[06:29:15] <BugzBunny> Then left click (if you are right handed), select the text, then right click and copy
[06:29:23] <BugzBunny> Then paste it here
[06:29:58] <manjaro-kde5-> ok wait
[06:32:30] <manjaro-kde5-> http://pastebin.com/g5xmHsNH
[06:32:31] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/wcD9D6] DISTRIB_ID=ManjaroLinux  DISTRIB_RELEASE=16.10.3  DISTRIB_CODENAME=Fringilla  DI - Pastebin.com
[06:32:41] <manjaro-kde5-> bugsbunny http://pastebin.com/g5xmHsNH
[06:32:42] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/wcD9D6] DISTRIB_ID=ManjaroLinux  DISTRIB_RELEASE=16.10.3  DISTRIB_CODENAME=Fringilla  DI - Pastebin.com
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[06:37:16] <BugzBunny> How did you install Steam? from AUR?
[06:37:45] <manjaro-kde5-> no it came preinstalled with manjaro
[06:38:00] <manjaro-kde5-> i did not install anything
[06:38:13] <Isac> I have a question for you guys!  What is your favorite part about manjaro?
[06:38:29] <BugzBunny> Bullshit
[06:38:37] <BugzBunny> Unless shit change
[06:38:52] <BugzBunny> KDE? ISO?
[06:39:00] <manjaro-kde5-> yes
[06:39:06] <omar__> on xfce it comes preinstalled too
[06:39:41] <manjaro-kde5-> shouldi try uninstalling manjaro steam and reinstall it
[06:39:43] <manjaro-kde5-> ??
[06:39:59] <omar__> yes
[06:40:17] <manjaro-kde5-> is that yes for me ?
[06:40:27] <omar__> yes
[06:40:30] <manjaro-kde5-> ok
[06:40:40] <BugzBunny> You need to complain to Manjaro team <BugzBunny> "<manjaro-kde5-> /home/sudersan/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib32/libxcb-dri3.so.0: undefined symbol: xcb_send_request_with_fds"
[06:43:36] <manjaro-kde5-> i am reinstalling steam to see ifitworks
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[06:58:20] <sirsarlan> Hey! Everytime I put my laptop on suspend and then resume it, the wifi keeps asking for password and it still doesnt work. I have to put it on airplane mode and then off again for it to work. Any reason why that is happening?
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[07:04:54] <BugzBunny> fuck
[07:05:03] <BugzBunny> I had fucking setnence
[07:05:09] <BugzBunny> fucker left
[07:05:24] <BugzBunny> now, let me join #hexchat
[07:05:26] <manjaro-kde5-> i din leave
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[07:05:37] <BugzBunny> I know you didn't leave
[07:05:45] <BugzBunny> You not a idiot
[07:05:49] <day|flip> he talking about sirsarlan
[07:06:24] <manjaro-kde5-> ok
[07:06:48] <BugzBunny> If you have a problem
[07:06:55] <BugzBunny> I want pastebin
[07:08:07] <manjaro-kde5-> i am installing stean native which is notinstalled by default and see if that helps
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[07:30:09] <Osoolo> after installing steam native , steam opened :)
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[07:57:38] <manjaroDeepin>  anyone there?
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[07:58:20] <manjaroDeepin> Guys I have installed a manjaro jus now
[07:58:49] <manjaroDeepin> Its Deepin env instead of xcfe
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[08:18:33] <Osoolo> yup
[08:18:55] <Osoolo> i am newbie ,i installed kde  version
[08:21:25] <mike-zal> ho Osoolo, good for you. also using kde
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[08:35:40] <day|flip> what i like about linux. there a DE or WM for any type of person
[08:37:07] <day|flip> I really like window manager for the fact they are stupidly snapy fast. budgie i like a lot. most other DE really have not click for me.
[08:38:29] <omar__> day|flip: budgie looks nice
[08:39:09] <day|flip>  and i can't wait for them to move to qt
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[08:49:36] <crzyp3ck> hello
[08:49:47] <crzyp3ck> redshift isn't working
[08:50:04] <crzyp3ck>  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/redshift_gtk/utils.py", line 23, in <module>
[08:50:04] <crzyp3ck>     from xdg import BaseDirectory as base
[08:50:04] <crzyp3ck> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'xdg'
[08:53:32] <mike-zal> day|flip: when bugie transists to qt, then I will check it. so far I would prefer gnome over it
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[08:54:59] <mike-zal> at the moment for me: 1. plasma 2. gnome/unity 3. deepin/lxqt 4. i3/sway?
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[09:03:00] <omar__> I think kde is jsut too heavy for laptop use
[09:03:04] <omar__> perfect for desktops though
[09:03:49] <day|flip> i just like how it not too overlly complex on how you want to change thing.
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[09:04:06] <day|flip> this is what drive me nuts about xfce.
[09:04:19] <omar__> yup
[09:04:47] <omar__> I also really miss the "show all windows" and the fact that you can type in the first letters of the window name and hit enter
[09:04:55] <BugzBunny> <Omnious> you
[09:04:55] <BugzBunny> <Omnious> are
[09:04:55] <BugzBunny> <Omnious> a fucking
[09:04:55] <BugzBunny> <Omnious> NIGGER
[09:05:04] <day|flip> ?\
[09:05:13] <BugzBunny> wrong room
[09:05:14] <day|flip> wong channel again?
[09:05:19] <day|flip> wrong*
[09:05:26] <omar__> yeah sure
[09:06:07] <BugzBunny> Wrong fucking room
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[09:06:27] <day|flip> for me. xfce panel is just bad at this. other see it good. just not my cup of tea
[09:07:05] <day|flip> i like gnome 3 back when it was 3.06 with fedora 17. witch was the last time i like fedora
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[09:07:55] <crzyp3ck> any solution?
[09:08:38] <day|flip> python xdg package?
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[09:09:12] <omar__> pacman -S python3-xdg
[09:09:44] <day|flip> i wish python3 is the default. i used that more then python2
[09:10:26] <omar__> yeah me too
[09:11:03] <day|flip> to youtube-dl and qutebrowser
[09:12:09] <omar__> so you browse the web inside your terminal=
[09:12:47] <day|flip> no. mpv with qutebrowser is by far my fav way to stream video
[09:12:57] <omar__> ah okay
[09:13:01] <day|flip> and sane way to
[09:13:21] <omar__> so you go to youtube in qutebrowser and then play the videos in mpv?
[09:14:13] <day|flip> if it was not for that fact. i think qutebrowser whould be a nice dwb replacement. but firefox and chromium are still better over all browsing
[09:15:31] <day|flip> https://www.qutebrowser.org/FAQ.html
[09:15:32] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/6rU3Nz] Frequently asked questions | qutebrowser
[09:15:37] <day|flip> scroll to 9.
[09:16:14] <omar__> thats really cool
[09:16:33] <omar__> I use a chrome extension for that which adds "play in mpv" to the context menu
[09:16:43] <day|flip> mpv + youtube-dl is awesome. adding this to a keybind is just awesome. any other browser just cant do this in a sane way
[09:17:50] <day|flip> i have two mpv keybind. one for video other for no video. C = no video V = video
[09:18:02] <omar__> ah nice
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[09:18:33] <day|flip> m and M already have a keybind. so just used that as a idea how it works
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[09:46:43] <Vlado9A> good morning manjaro world :)
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[10:15:22] <crzyp3ck> Vlado9A; yes it is.
[10:15:52] <Vlado9A> gm to you too crzyp3ck
[10:15:53] <day|flip> V.V still have 4 or more hour till 6am
[10:16:13] <Vlado9A> it's 10:15am in my area :)
[10:16:26] <day|flip> 2:16am
[10:19:36] <Vlado9A> let me guess day|flip ... you're in Tucson AZ :)
[10:21:47] * Vlado9A wonders if it's legal to have manjaro linux in US
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[10:24:15] <day|flip> lol. no im in Longmont CO
[10:25:55] <crzyp3ck> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ManjaroLinux "Gellivara" 17.0-beta1 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T6500  @ 2.10GHz (2.10GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.7 GiB Total (2.5 GiB Free) Swap: 3.8 GiB Total (3.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 3.5 GB / 21.1 GB (17.6 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub •
[10:25:55] <crzyp3ck> Uptime: 9h 38m 23s
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[10:31:17] <Vlado9A> and?
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[10:33:05] <day|flip> Storage: 3.5 GB / 21.1 GB root partition only?
[10:33:16] <day|flip> crzyp3ck: ^^
[10:33:55] <crzyp3ck> day|flip, it is a liveusb
[10:34:00] <day|flip> i see
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[10:34:38] <crzyp3ck> not working well.
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[10:36:52] <crzyp3ck> it is kde and memory is well....
[10:37:08] <crzyp3ck> see; not working
[10:38:12] <day|flip> what not working?
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[10:38:58] <crzyp3ck> kde on liveusb on my hardware
[10:39:32] <crzyp3ck> but if I install it is ok
[10:39:50] <crzyp3ck> it just use 600mb of ram
[10:39:59] <day|flip> my guess is the usb speed is kind of slow
[10:40:00] <crzyp3ck> kde i mean
[10:40:34] <crzyp3ck> it is an Silicon power
[10:41:03] <day|flip> start up ram space is lame. it not real world used.
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[10:42:21] * day|flip Uptime: 3h 57m RAM: 229MiB / 31188MiB
[10:42:40] <day|flip> ya im using xmonad and i close the browser
[10:42:56] <day|flip> all i have open are two st terminal
[10:43:01] <crzyp3ck> day|flip, You that say it is incorrect.?
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[10:43:27] <day|flip> on a DE ram will go up. after hours of used
[10:44:13] <day|flip> hell. even on my budgie desktop. after 6 to 8 hour of uptime. i have about 600 to 800MB of ram used
[10:44:29] <day|flip> that if i close everything but the terminal
[10:44:30] <omar__> whys that actually
[10:45:21] <Vlado9A> omar__: it spares your computer's resources :)
[10:45:31] <day|flip> kde issue with ram is not qt it self. but qml that they used
[10:45:50] <omar__> ah ok
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[10:46:30] <day|flip> if kde used only qt. then the ram issue will be alot lower in long runs
[10:46:46] <day|flip> but qml is easier to look cooler.
[10:46:50] <Vlado9A> in this particular moment I run 3 terminals... tmux with weechat and mocp, finch messenger and mutt e-mail
[10:47:15] <day|flip> for now im just running one
[10:47:20] <day|flip> glirc
[10:47:23] <Vlado9A> no need for web browser or some other gui programs at all
[10:48:05] <day|flip> i like gui browser.
[10:48:23] <day|flip> it make it easier to browser pron web site ^.~
[10:49:24] <aron> hi all there. my video card is amd, I change the driver from proprietary to open-soure using "Hadware dectection", then reboot, and fail to login and lag there, . leave a log: /dev/sda3, clean , xxxxx.  manjaro is installed in sda3.
[10:50:18] <day|flip> you may need to change it xorg link
[10:50:22] <aron> how can I do to fix this.
[10:50:36] <day|flip> and opengl to ati
[10:50:57] <day|flip> wait. opengl to mesa
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[10:51:44] * Vlado9A is listening to The Blues Brothers - Riders In The Sky ::: http://s8.iqstreaming.com:8018/stream
[10:51:50] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/DZLj8b] (link was unresponsive: http://s8.iqstreaming.com:8018/stream)
[10:52:02] <day|flip> aron:  mhwd-gpu --check
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[10:52:20] <day|flip> see if the opengl set to mesa and see if xorg point to ati
[10:52:23] <day|flip> conf
[10:52:27] <aron> from where
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[10:52:48] <day|flip>  /etc/X11/mhwd.d/
[10:52:59] <aron> I use live manjaro  mhwd-gpu --check / --status  .  all ok.
[10:53:31] <day|flip> mount your root partition. to /mnt
[10:53:39] <day|flip> and chroot into it
[10:53:40] <aron> yah , I have check it, /etc/x11/mhwd.d is same as the live mod.
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[10:55:55] <day|flip> my guess is to reinstall it
[10:56:13] <day|flip> is this a radon?
[10:56:31] <aron> from where to reinstall it to installed manjaro?
[10:56:39] <day|flip> using mhwd
[10:56:40] <aron> yes
[10:56:50] <day|flip> but by command line
[10:56:57] <aron> in live mode?
[10:57:09] <day|flip> if your chrooted
[10:57:23] <aron> ok let me try
[10:59:15] <day|flip> sudo mhwd -a pci free 0300 --force
[10:59:23] <day|flip> this will make it reinstall itself
[10:59:49] <day|flip> adding force
[11:00:05] <day|flip> so let hope that the force is will you :)
[11:00:16] <day|flip> is with you***
[11:02:19] <aron> I have try mhwd -f -a pci free 0300  but failed , log pacman failed. and in live mode, can i pacman syn?
[11:02:55] <aron> oh -force  let me it again
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[11:04:31] <day|flip> you may want to reboot into your computer. kind of pain to add internet to chroot
[11:06:37] <day|flip> this can be done by editting your gurb. Ctrl-e or x. go done to the linux line. and add "1" or 2 or 3. does not matter. at the end of the line.
[11:06:48] <day|flip> this way you be in tty
[11:07:10] <day|flip> think of it as being in the terminal
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[11:07:57] <day|flip> oo ctrl+x to save. then it should boot into your system
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[11:31:57] <hisforever> Hi
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[11:33:17] <day|flip> Hello hisforever
[11:33:32] <aron> I do it, and login the resuce mode
[11:34:00] <aron> but it seems failed to internet
[11:34:14] <hisforever> i just put Manjaro Cinnimon back on thislaptop. But my add and remove programs isn finding my programs hos do I croect this?
[11:34:47] <hisforever> Hi Day flip
[11:35:45] <hisforever> pacman seems ti be stuck also :(
[11:36:08] <hisforever> it = to
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[11:47:34] <Vlado9A> ti = to :)
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[11:52:33] <manjaro-web|5487> hello
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[11:54:26] <manjaro-web|5487> i have interept in my speaker sound
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[12:19:45] <aron> I done it with mhwd-chroot.
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[12:23:38] <LinuxNewbie> hello
[12:24:11] <LinuxNewbie> anyone able to help me about sleep mode problem?
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[12:25:56] <LinuxNewbie> when i hit power on button fans start to spin again, HDD is awake (hear it's reading datas) but monitors are totally black
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[12:38:14] <rumflump> was there a big batch of updates today, or did I fail to notice it from a previous day?
[12:42:05] <LinuxNewbie> think was yesterday
[12:42:13] <LinuxNewbie> but not sure
[12:43:26] <Strit> last stable update was January 30th. According to the forum.
[12:44:08] <rumflump> I see, thanks
[12:46:02] <LinuxNewbie> none else having sleep mode problems?
[12:48:17] <rumflump> not on my computer, but sleep/hibernate are notoriously tricky. depending on your hardware. proprietary driver nonsense, when you solve it on one computer, another computer requires a different solution
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[12:52:07] <LinuxNewbie> :(
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[12:56:06] <rumflump> have you checked the manjaro and arch wikis to work through potential solutions on there?
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[13:12:03] <sprat> hey working on a dual boot install
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[13:12:26] <sprat> should the win7 loader partition be marked as /
[13:12:43] <sprat> i ended up with 2 partitions marked /
[13:13:05] <sprat> btw i'm replacing ubuntu mate with manjaro
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[13:35:04] <sprat> well we'll see if it worked ;-)
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[13:49:51] <sprat> oofta, the default xfce looks a lot different than what the liveusb was using
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[14:01:43] <sprat> post install upgrades going on now
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[15:08:56] <ajh> oh yeah, is there a way to configure i3lock to not do its thing so quickly?
[15:10:09] <ajh> in the i3 community version
[15:10:45] <ringo> you can have new scripts
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[15:16:47] <ajh> where do I look to see the old scripts?
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[15:21:07] <ringo> ajh,  loke dotshare.it   or in aur
[15:21:12] <ringo> !aur i3lock
[15:21:12] <Botergos> i3lock-spy - A screenlocker with intruder detection designed for JustBrowsing -- version 2.4.4-3 - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/i3lock-spy
[15:21:24] <ringo> and many more :p
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[15:24:01] <ajh> ty
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[15:36:02] <physkets> Why does every other update of youtube-dl break mps-youtube ?
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[16:12:09] <roch> o/
[16:15:00] <[red]claw> \o
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[16:19:17] <mach_kernel> this is awesome
[16:19:29] <mach_kernel> something doesn't break every time you update
[16:19:52] <Strit_Laptop> Just godt plasma 5.9 in unstable. No breakage so far.
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[16:21:37] <roch> one thing that 'broke' for me in 3 months of using manjaro was pixbuff support of icons in tray, super distro.
[16:22:41] <Strit_Laptop> I've used Manjaro for 2½ years now. Only break I've had was an Nvidia driver update that fucked up my system about 1½ years ago.
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[16:23:57] <Jeannie> Plasma 5.9 is quite buggy
[16:25:14] <tefter> i see updates in testing plasma 5.9 is here
[16:26:13] <Strit_Laptop> Only me seeing a reduction in plasmashell memory usage since 5.8?
[16:26:36] <tefter> i will report after update and reboot
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[16:29:52] <tester> question: i'm running manjaro on kernel 44 atm.... is safe to update to 49?
[16:30:01] <hisforever> I need to switch my alt key to media, where can I find the serrings?
[16:30:10] <Strit_Laptop> tester: Been running 49 for a while now. Had no issues.
[16:30:30] <Joseph> tester: I upgraded myself from 4.4 to 4.9.2 and now I'm on 4.9.6, seems to work well.
[16:31:39] <tester> hope it fixes some trouble i have
[16:31:53] <tester> thx will look how to update it
[16:31:55] <hisforever> where do I find the settings to switch hot keys?
[16:32:08] <Strit_Laptop> tester: you switch with Manjaro Settings Manager.
[16:32:37] <mach_kernel> roch: i've been running almost a year here
[16:32:38] <Strit_Laptop> just install 49 and boot it. keep 44 if 49 don't behave.
[16:32:59] <tester> ah no need to unistall old?
[16:33:03] <tester> good thx
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[16:33:12] <Strit_Laptop> exactly. You can choose which to boot in Grub.
[16:33:27] <tefter> always keep at least two kernels
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[16:33:41] <mach_kernel> i'm running 4961
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[16:33:48] <Strit_Laptop> I always have 2 kernels installed. The latest that works on my hardware and the latest LTS.
[16:34:09] <Strit_Laptop> Right now, they are the same kernel though.
[16:34:11] <mach_kernel> i have never heard of that practice
[16:34:15] <mach_kernel> although
[16:34:21] <Joseph> tester: No, you don't need to, and it's highly recommended you don't either
[16:34:33] <mach_kernel> i guess it does suck having to chroot into your box to do the downgrade
[16:34:34] <tester> downloading 4961 now
[16:34:38] <Joseph> tefter: That way you always have an older kernel to fall back on in case a newer one breaks your system
[16:34:39] <mach_kernel> if shit really blows up
[16:35:01] <tester> does grub ask me what to load at startup?
[16:35:08] <mach_kernel> tbh
[16:35:13] <tester> or i need to hit smth?
[16:35:14] <mach_kernel> most of the breaking changes that i've seen are gpu related
[16:35:14] <Strit_Laptop> Yes. Under Advances Options.
[16:35:28] <mach_kernel> with proprietary graphics cards
[16:35:41] <mach_kernel> remember 10 years ago, for people with ATI cards? :)
[16:35:49] <tester> yeah i hope this fixes my suspend awekening problem
[16:35:53] <mach_kernel> jfc
[16:35:59] <mach_kernel> that's 10 years ago
[16:36:01] <mach_kernel> time fucking flies
[16:38:22] <tester> ok restarting
[16:38:25] <tester> finger crossed
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[16:38:40] <roch> it will explode!
[16:38:44] <mach_kernel> start taking bets
[16:39:00] <ajh> 5 minutes of life
[16:39:28] <mach_kernel> kernel deadpool
[16:39:34] <roch> He will come back alright, it's manjaro.. ;)
[16:39:48] <mach_kernel> dude seriously when i had arch
[16:39:51] <mach_kernel> if i didn't update daily
[16:39:55] <mach_kernel> or didn't use the box for like two weeks
[16:39:58] <mach_kernel> then fire it up again and update
[16:40:00] <Strit_Laptop> Altough it might not fix his problem.
[16:40:00] <mach_kernel> everything exploded
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[16:40:55] <Strit_Laptop> mach_kernel: I have an Arch server. I update that maybe a few times a year. No troubles. As long as I keep an eye on the update log and such.
[16:41:25] <Joseph> Strit_Laptop: is that server headless/without a GUI?
[16:41:33] <Strit_Laptop> yep
[16:41:47] <Strit_Laptop> Who runs a server with a GUI?
[16:41:59] <Joseph> Strit_Laptop: That explains why you had little issues. On Arch if I didn't update my desktop in two weeks, it would break things *HORRIBLY*
[16:42:05] <Joseph> You had less items that could cause an issue.
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[16:42:13] <Strit_Laptop> I know. :)
[16:42:13] <Joseph> (What mach_kernel said)
[16:42:32] <Strit_Laptop> But that is just the GUI. As long as you have TTY/SSH access it's not broken!
[16:42:39] <Joseph> xD
[16:42:45] <mach_kernel> you guys will laugh
[16:42:48] <mach_kernel> i have a hardware tty at home
[16:42:53] <mach_kernel> i fucking love it
[16:42:57] <ajh> nice
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[16:43:20] <tester> no way... awekening from sleep stil lfucked
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[16:43:24] <mach_kernel> i'm an idiot
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[16:43:40] <mach_kernel> i would always blab to my friends about how cool the hardware tty is
[16:43:47] <roch> mach_kernel, what is that ? pics ? teletype ? :)
[16:43:49] <mach_kernel> nobody gave a shit other than my software developer buddy
[16:43:50] <Strit_Laptop> tester: well, hibernation trouble is  rarely caused by the kernel.
[16:43:57] <tester> also i get few error row on loading but too fast to see what they are...
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[16:44:07] <tester> not hibernation
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[16:44:11] <tester> jsut suspend
[16:44:11] <mach_kernel> let me get a photo of this model
[16:44:23] <tester> it seems awakening but monitors stay back
[16:44:25] <Strit_Laptop> suspend/hibernation. Whatever, it's basicly the same.
[16:44:46] <Strit_Laptop> If the machine is awake, but the display is not on, it's a GPU think
[16:44:47] <mach_kernel> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEC-digital-VT320-VT-320-serial-terminal-/132074116753?hash=item1ec03b1691:g:uHYAAOSwnHZYhrF0
[16:44:48] <Strit_Laptop> thing*
[16:44:50] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/y3nFrl] Dec Digital VT320 VT 320 Serial Terminal | eBay
[16:44:52] <mach_kernel> this thing
[16:45:02] <mach_kernel> if you want to know why your terminal is called a "terminal emulator"
[16:45:06] <tester> tried this http://askubuntu.com/questions/820955/blank-screen-after-resume-dell-m5510-ubuntu-16-04/827415 but still black
[16:45:08] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/lhpVOo] suspend - Blank screen after resume - Dell M5510 Ubuntu 16.04 - Ask Ubuntu
[16:45:11] <mach_kernel> it is because it emulates the protocol spoken by those hardware devices
[16:45:14] <gpole> Hello everyone, anyone know how to fix volume up/down buttons on lenovo yoga 900 ?
[16:45:16] <mach_kernel> isn't that super fucking cool!
[16:45:47] <Strit_Laptop> gpole: take the buttons off and put new ones in?
[16:46:16] <tester> Strit_Laptop: it seems awake, fans restart, HDD reads lights are up along with keyboard and mouse but screen are black and no way to get any image
[16:46:49] <Strit_Laptop> tester: yeah, it sounds like a GPU issue. Did you try free or nonfree, depending on which driver you use now?
[16:46:57] <gpole> Im sorry its not that simple.. The buttons themself aren't broke. I think i need some kind of drivers to make the special buttons to work
[16:47:23] <tester> nope i've actually latest nvidia drivers installed
[16:47:27] <Strit_Laptop> gpole: you just said fix. You didn't actually say what was wrong. :P the FN key has no effect?
[16:47:46] <Strit_Laptop> tester: try the free driver and see if that fixes it.
[16:47:46] <tester> worth trying non proprietary drivers?
[16:47:57] <tester> ok
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[16:49:28] <gpole> Do you know which driver to install ? i couldn't find the correct one.
[16:49:49] <mach_kernel> i'm thinking of trying to install sierra on my box tonight
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[16:49:53] <Strit_Laptop> gpole: I have never had trouble with my function buttons my self.
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[16:50:18] <Strit_Laptop> They just work when I press fn+fX.
[16:50:35] <tester> restarting :S
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[16:51:06] <gpole> Ye, it doesnt work for me.. but alot of the other buttons work like screenbrightness and airplane mode. But the volume up/down/mute doesnt seem to work .
[16:51:19] <Strit_Laptop> odd.
[16:51:24] <Strit_Laptop> WHat DE?
[16:51:31] <gpole> gnome
[16:51:35] <BugzBunny> It doesn't work, because, those applications don't respect it
[16:52:26] <Strit_Laptop> gpole: I don't know gnome very well. Can you define shortcuts for the volume applet in it?
[16:52:30] <BugzBunny> First and Foremost, PulseAudio should, I think, because it has much work, does it mute?
[16:52:52] <BugzBunny> Install pavucontrol
[16:53:23] <gpole> Strit_Laptop: I dont really know, will look around
[16:53:26] <BugzBunny> Launch it, and see if those controls work, when you press those keys, if it does not.. I can't
[16:53:33] <gpole> BugzBunny: Alright i will try
[16:54:22] <BugzBunny> But there is freedesktop standard, I would have to do research, but applies here..
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[16:54:38] <BugzBunny> Gnome 3 is what I assume you say when you say you have Gnome
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[16:55:16] <gpole> BugzBunny: Not really sure if its Gnome 3 is there a way to check =
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[16:56:02] <BugzBunny> Well, Gnome doesn't support Gnome 2 anymore, let be grab some pics of Gnome 3 screenshot
[16:57:00] <BugzBunny> https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/fedora-15-download-cd-dvd-iso.html
[16:57:02] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/GZ7N5l] Download Fedora 15 CD / DVD ISO
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[16:57:40] <adriangul> Can someone help me set up a rdp ?
[16:58:00] <BugzBunny> What about it?
[16:58:25] <BugzBunny> Hopefully you not using RDP Server on Linux
[16:58:59] <mach_kernel> >rdp
[16:59:02] <mach_kernel> >current_year()
[16:59:25] <mach_kernel> why is llvm and clang in seperate packages
[16:59:52] <BugzBunny> Ask the Package Manager aka Arch Linux
[17:00:24] <mach_kernel> i may
[17:00:24] <mach_kernel> idk
[17:00:45] <mach_kernel> who is gonna install llvm and go "oh goody time to read the IR spec"
[17:00:55] <BugzBunny> btw, I did some research on llvm, that's not language is it? That's part of some Video drivers
[17:01:16] <mach_kernel> llvm is 'low level virtual machine'
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[17:01:40] <mach_kernel> clang is llvm suite compiler
[17:01:46] <mach_kernel> lldb is llvm's gdb
[17:01:53] <BugzBunny> Yes, I know, but AFAIK, that shit applies some 3D mech, unless we talking about something different
[17:02:09] <mach_kernel> we must be talking about different things
[17:02:14] <mach_kernel> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/llvm/
[17:02:15] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/QcLwKx] Arch Linux - llvm 3.9.1-2 (x86_64)
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[17:02:43] <BugzBunny> http://www.mesa3d.org/llvmpipe.html
[17:02:44] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/y3PGoi] llvmpipe
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[17:05:45] <tefter> here i am on kde 5.9
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[17:06:00] <tefter> except splash screen i can't see any difference
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[17:06:52] <BugzBunny> splash scree?
[17:07:07] <tefter> yeah when you login
[17:07:34] <BugzBunny> Yeah, I was trying to figure out, what you don't like about it
[17:07:59] <tefter> I said I don't like?
[17:08:21] <tefter> plasma performs better i think than gnome
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[17:08:30] <tefter> moving windows is smotther
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[17:08:39] <BugzBunny> Okay
[17:08:44] <mach_kernel> i too prefer KDE
[17:08:46] <BugzBunny> LXQT ftw
[17:08:52] <mach_kernel> and to a big degree QT over GTK
[17:08:56] <BugzBunny> If I had the SSD space
[17:09:19] <BugzBunny> I might install KDE, with this new mobo, CPU, GPU
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[17:09:29] <mach_kernel> speaking of CPU
[17:09:31] <BugzBunny> See how it looks like
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[17:09:40] <mach_kernel> i just picked up a pair of x5680 hex core xeons
[17:09:56] <mach_kernel> the chips i have inside are slow af
[17:09:57] <BugzBunny> Intel, **spits**
[17:10:04] <tefter> seems that they reduced memory footprint of plasmashell process
[17:10:14] <mach_kernel> intel makes better chips imo
[17:10:27] <mach_kernel> they've got way more money and process always thinner than AMD
[17:10:34] <hisforever> Where do I find out how to change shortcut keys
[17:10:43] <mach_kernel> intel owns power per watt
[17:11:07] <BugzBunny> **intel** spits
[17:11:14] <BugzBunny> I am on the red team
[17:11:23] <BugzBunny> f the blue and green team
[17:11:30] * BugzBunny spits
[17:11:33] <mach_kernel> in b4 ppc64el
[17:11:46] <BugzBunny> Motorola
[17:11:50] <BugzBunny> xD
[17:12:03] <mach_kernel> i have a powermac g5 on my desk
[17:12:13] <mach_kernel> under the intel box that i'm using now
[17:13:09] <BugzBunny> Yeah, we can't be friends
[17:13:18] <BugzBunny> Mac == hippies
[17:13:18] <mach_kernel> what motorola chip are you using?
[17:13:25] <BugzBunny> None!
[17:13:30] <BugzBunny> Red Team only
[17:13:36] <mach_kernel> what is red team?
[17:13:53] <BugzBunny> Red Team Chipset, Red team CPU, Red Teamp GPU
[17:14:08] <mach_kernel> what the fuck are you talking about
[17:14:27] <Joseph> mach_kernel: Nobody has been able to figure it out.
[17:14:29] <BugzBunny> You not part of the PC Master race dawg
[17:14:30] <tefter> he is AMD fanatic
[17:14:54] <BugzBunny> Let me fucking google that for you
[17:15:19] <mach_kernel> it's not that AMD makes bad chips
[17:15:28] <mach_kernel> they are just 1 year behind at any given point
[17:15:41] <physkets> hey, guys... sorry to interrupt your RBG quarrels..
[17:15:55] <mach_kernel> and every single new platform they overhype and it ends up mediocre and not good value for money
[17:15:56] <physkets> the package js17 seems to have been removed, but
[17:15:57] <BugzBunny> green team nvidia vs red team amd
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[17:16:10] <BugzBunny> https://www.google.com/search?q=blue+team&ie=&oe=#q=green+team+nvidia+vs+red+team+amd
[17:16:10] <mach_kernel> the GPUs however are top notch
[17:16:12] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/mONFs8] blue team - Google zoeken
[17:16:29] <physkets> polkit-consolekit still seems to have a dependency on it. Anyone know why?
[17:17:16] <BugzBunny> What does the error say
[17:17:17] <mach_kernel> physkets: i have no clue what `js17` package is
[17:17:29] <BugzBunny> Pastebin it here if it's short
[17:17:32] <BugzBunny> or use
[17:17:33] <physkets> JavaScript interpreter and libraries (legacy)
[17:17:35] <BugzBunny> !pastebin
[17:17:35] <Botergos> Please use a pastebin service for large files. Common pastebins include http://hastebin.com/, http://ptpb.pw/, http://pastebin.com/
[17:17:39] <mach_kernel> LOL
[17:17:45] <mach_kernel> that is probably a mistake
[17:17:48] <mach_kernel> that's fucking funny
[17:17:56] <BugzBunny> Pastebin what you see so we can better help
[17:18:34] <BugzBunny> tefter: I am part of the read ocultism
[17:18:38] <physkets> nothing...  I use pacaur, so it just looks for the package in AUR because it isn't there in the repos
[17:18:49] <BugzBunny> tefter: When I pray at not, I pray to AMD god
[17:19:20] <BugzBunny> physkets: I won't ask again, pastebin what you see so I can help you
[17:19:38] <BugzBunny> Otherwise, I leave it up to Joseph
[17:19:45] <Joseph> Stop highlighting me.
[17:19:52] <BugzBunny> Make me stop
[17:19:59] <Joseph> OK.
[17:19:59] <BugzBunny> but hitting /ignore
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[17:20:05] <BugzBunny> bye
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[17:20:57] <physkets> BugzBunny: https://gist.github.com/physkets/e908c599fcd02b49e006c9a2dc7c6236
[17:20:59] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/0owwkt] Missing js17 · GitHub
[17:22:20] <BugzBunny> First glance, looks to me, you installed js17 and it's missing on AUR
[17:22:34] <BugzBunny> like the error says, did you check aur.archlinux.org
[17:22:51] <BugzBunny> To see a maintner still exists
[17:22:55] <physkets> I didn't install it; it was installed a s a dependency for 'polkit-consolekit'
[17:22:57] <gawd> Ahoy !!
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[17:23:39] <BugzBunny> Soo, you install polkit-consolekit from AUR?
[17:23:59] <physkets> no, from the regular repo
[17:24:17] <BugzBunny> That doesn't make sense
[17:24:28] <physkets> exactly
[17:24:28] <BugzBunny> pacman -S doesn't put packages from AUR
[17:24:37] <physkets> I use pacaur
[17:24:43] <BugzBunny> s/put/pull
[17:24:50] <BugzBunny> That's your first problem
[17:25:00] <physkets> what is?
[17:25:26] <BugzBunny> You use pacaur to install packages??
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[17:25:31] <physkets> yep
[17:25:37] <BugzBunny> Do you understand what pacaur is?
[17:25:43] <physkets> I do
[17:25:56] <BugzBunny> That's your first problem
[17:26:04] <physkets> I can do everything pacman does and also access the AUR
[17:26:10] <EUWTorbe> Hey guys, just installed manjaro a few days ago and when i tried to login today it gets stuck on login screen
[17:26:14] <EUWTorbe> :(
[17:26:15] <physkets> *It can do
[17:26:30] <mach_kernel> i use yaourt
[17:26:40] <mach_kernel> nothing wrong with tools
[17:26:53] <BugzBunny> When you pacaur, it's discission making is not the same as pacman
[17:27:13] <BugzBunny> pacman will only pull packages from the STABLE repos
[17:27:34] <mach_kernel> so will pacaur
[17:27:47] <BugzBunny> Now you install package the depends on AUR package, that is _NOT_ from the STABLE manjaro repos
[17:27:48] <physkets> I don't think this is a pacaur problem; the issue is simple the 'polkit-consolekit' package has a hard dep on 'js17', which seems to have been removed from the repos
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[17:28:13] <BugzBunny> You do not understand how pacaur actually opertates
[17:28:54] <BugzBunny> You do _NOT_ install packages from AUR that can brick your system
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[17:29:13] <physkets> I haven't installed anything from the AUR
[17:29:29] <physkets> all these packages are from the main STABLE repo
[17:29:37] <BugzBunny> Again, you do _NOT_ understand how pacaur actually operates
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[17:30:12] <physkets> Okay, then could you explain it to me?
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[17:30:37] <BugzBunny> pacaur will pull a package from AUR to statisfy a depency
[17:30:43] <physkets> true
[17:30:54] <physkets> but it will tell me if it is doing that
[17:31:02] <BugzBunny> You tell me
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[17:31:02] <physkets> and I will reject the move
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[17:31:24] <physkets> and explore the issue; like I am doing right now
[17:31:32] <BugzBunny> Beause you say, when you install polkit-* etc, it pulled js17 from AUR
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[17:33:03] <BugzBunny> I am hungry and I need a cheese steak
[17:33:05] <physkets> no, it tried to. But there is no such package in AUR, so it pulled nothing
[17:34:35] <BugzBunny> Then complain to pacaur, because it's looking for package on AUR
[17:34:42] <BugzBunny> developers
[17:35:15] <BugzBunny> What does pacman -Syu do?
[17:35:56] <physkets> it jus t ends with a 'there is nothing to do'
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[17:36:35] <BugzBunny> your system is up2date then
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[17:37:37] <physkets> yes it is; but you see, I have this package 'js17' installed, which was in the repo, but isn't anymore
[17:37:47] <physkets> so isn't that an issue?
[17:38:16] <BugzBunny> 1, pacman will complain, it didn't
[17:38:42] <BugzBunny> 2, I don't know what to say after point number 1
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[17:39:31] <BugzBunny> you can run pacman -Syuu #just to double check, update database, and check again
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[17:40:20] <physkets> Okay, let me try to explain
[17:40:37] <physkets> say you have libreoffice installed
[17:40:56] <physkets> now, say the guys at manjaro decide to remove it from the repos
[17:41:10] <physkets> then, `pacman -Syu` will tell you nothing
[17:41:10] <BugzBunny> Yes, I've dealt with APT, RPM, and even with Slack package mangers
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[17:41:54] <BugzBunny> physkets: If THEY decide to remove a package from the repo, pacman willl complain
[17:42:13] <hisforever> Hi Iḿ disabled and only have use of right hand I need to Change the alt key so it will work in blender Please help?
[17:42:20] <physkets> no, it won't what will it say?
[17:42:36] <physkets> no, it won't; what will it say?
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[17:42:44] <BugzBunny> Well, then you do _NOT_ understand how pacman operates
[17:43:40] <BugzBunny> polkit-* for example needs js17, then PKGBUILD will say I need this version
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[17:44:11] <physkets> yes, but I alredy have it; so it won't complain
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[17:44:25] <BugzBunny> Unless PKGBUILD changes, polkit-* will still need this version, regardless if Manjaro removes the package from the repo
[17:44:53] <physkets> yes, true
[17:45:09] <BugzBunny> The problem becomes, Fresh install, hopefully Manjaro team have a new system to statisfy polit-* dep
[17:45:10] <physkets> but you see I already have 'js17' installed
[17:45:16] <SirJackHoff> Any idea when the new kodi is going to hit the repos?
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[17:45:55] <BugzBunny> physkets: I can have a package installed that is no longer in the repo... That's assume 'js17' came from the stable repo to being with
[17:46:03] <BugzBunny> pacman -Qm js17
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[17:46:44] <physkets> I don't understnad... do you want me to post its output?
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[17:47:04] <BugzBunny> yup
[17:47:33] <hisforever> wow sorry for being here
[17:47:33] <physkets> the output is: `js17 17.0.0-4`
[17:48:21] <physkets> hisforever: wait, someone might have a solution to your issue
[17:50:38] <physkets> BugzBunny: the output of `pacman -Qm js17` is: `js17 17.0.0-4`
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[17:55:47] <gawd> Beanie Weenies !!
[17:56:39] <physkets> BugzBunny: artoo just said in the forum that it is because polkit-consolekit updates probably haven't reached my repo
[17:56:48] <hisforever> ty Physkets
[17:57:25] <physkets> what is ty?
[17:57:46] <hisforever> thank you = ty
[17:57:57] <mtn_> hisforever: ask your question again, in case someone new to the channel canhelp
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[17:59:20] <physkets> ah
[17:59:38] <gawd> On more then one distro I cant get my speakers to work..
[18:00:21] <hisforever> ok here is my problem , I need to change the alt key inmanjaro so it will work in blender? I know there is a awy because I had it changed on my system before I deleted my Hd by accident lol
[18:00:29] <physkets> hisforever: when you say "Change the alt key", do you mean that you want the key's function mapped to someother key?
[18:00:32] <mtn_> gawd: do you use pavucontrol to adjust your sound settings?
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[18:01:18] <hisforever> well I think so I need Alt to work with blender
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[18:02:01] <mtn_> hisforever: how does it not work?
[18:02:28] <hisforever> its mapped wrong for blender
[18:02:35] <gawd> https://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-Soundsticks-III-Multimedia/dp/B0042F3K9W/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1486314054&sr=8-4&keywords=harman+kardon
[18:02:40] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/N1Citi] Amazon.com: Harman Kardon Soundsticks III 2.1 Channel Multimedia Speaker System with Subwoofer: Electronics
[18:02:44] <gawd> Thats the speakers
[18:02:45] <mtn_> hisforever: does alt work properly in other apps?
[18:02:54] <mtn_> gawd: do you use pavucontrol to adjust your sound settings?
[18:03:26] <hisforever> well I don have to use alt in other programs sorry
[18:03:54] <mtn_> hisforever: well, try it and see if it works correctly. most menus in apps use alt to open things.
[18:03:55] <gawd> I dont know.. I use Bluetooth for it
[18:03:55] <hisforever> it would I think
[18:04:20] <mtn_> gawd: Use pavucontrol. Check sound levels and devices/profiles in Output and Configuration tabs.
[18:04:23] <gawd> One speaker broke so I might not be able to help
[18:04:29] <mtn_> hisforever: better to know than to guess
[18:04:35] <hisforever> brb
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[18:05:26] <gawd> Worked on Ubuntu but I had to many issues with Ubuntu so I use Manjaro now
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[18:07:14] <hisforever> ok where do you change short cut keys ?
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[18:07:27] <kdkre> hello
[18:07:43] <physkets> hisforever: what DE?
[18:07:57] <kdkre> what are the other chats? apart from irc, where I can talk other topics ? irc is just computer related chaat
[18:08:20] <kdkre> are there other types of chats ? What are they, and how do I know of them ?
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[18:08:28] <hisforever> thanks manjark cinnimon
[18:08:53] <hisforever> ty mtn
[18:09:26] <physkets> kdkre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaat
[18:09:27] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/EcG7FU] Chaat - Wikipedia
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[18:10:25] <physkets> hisforever: hmm, I use kde, so I'm not sure, but maybe look in Settings / Keyboard ?
[18:10:25] <hisforever> sorry Iḿ so confuzed all I know is that I had to change in my system somway for alt to work with blender
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[18:10:57] <hisforever> ok Physkets
[18:11:05] <physkets> okay, what exactly do youmean by that? What is it supposed to do, and what does it do now?
[18:11:29] <physkets> I mean the behaviour of 'Alt'
[18:11:34] <physkets> in blender
[18:11:44] <mtn_> hisforever: does alt work ok in other apps? yes or no?
[18:12:09] <hisforever> ok the alt right click picks vertisees in a line
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[18:12:49] <physkets> kdkre: Sorry, was just yanking your leg... I don't understnad your question. Are you asking what other protocols are used for chats?
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[18:15:04] <kdkre> no
[18:15:12] <kdkre> chat communities like irc
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[18:16:30] <mtn_> kdkre: irc has channels for most everything. go to google, type: irc what you are looking for. see if it shows up
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[18:17:58] <Strit_Laptop> kdkre: IRC is not just computer related. There are channels for just about everything.
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[18:19:50] <physkets> kdkre: irc (Internet Relay Chat) is a protocol; So what you want to know is what other groups exist on IRCs
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[18:21:07] <roch> if I want 'last used' with 'favourites' at the same time in xfce whisker menu, how do I approach?
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[18:35:01] <roch> do U use pidgin ? listen to this song https://open.spotify.com/track/1cFwlWl7XSe4LnUaXC1p2Y
[18:35:02] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/CY2t8j] Pinnacles, a song by Four Tet on Spotify
[18:35:11] <roch> good song for pidgin users :D
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[18:37:08] <Strit_Laptop> Haven't really used Pidgin in over a year. I'e got it installed, but...
[18:38:15] <roch> I use it for hangout and facebook
[18:38:36] <roch> with more advanced plugins for both
[18:38:54] <roch> Strit_Laptop, oh then this song id not for U :)
[18:39:04] <roch> but who knows
[18:39:19] <Strit_Laptop> Does it require a spotify login? Because then it's defo not for me.
[18:40:06] <Strit_Laptop> Clicked it anyway. Yes it does require a login.
[18:40:38] <roch> yes. wait :)
[18:41:10] <roch> Strit_Laptop, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejGatJ94SDE
[18:41:12] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Mxs9Gk] Four Tet-Pinnacles - YouTube
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[19:42:46] <hec_> hey guys  i have searched bugzilla but i wanted to ask in here also , i have updated my kernel from 4.8 to 4.9 now i see some ACPI errors after i boot the system. everything works fine but i just see error message.
[19:43:19] <Strit_Laptop> I've heard it's because some power management in your BIOS/UEFI is not updated.
[19:43:27] <hec_> some people say that "those error messages were there always but hidden , now after 4.9 kernel guys decided to show those message"
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[19:44:40] <hec_> so you say it is not about kernel update ?
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[19:51:01] <Strit_Laptop> The errors does not do anything, it's just some log spam.
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[19:54:17] <hec_> it's just look awkward
[19:54:48] <hec_> and there were no errors before , that's why i feel curious
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[20:00:02] <karenmcd> So I have a SSD installed in a S_SATA gen3 M.2 port. That's what manjaro is installed on. I also have a HDD and optical drive installed and plugged into two SATA ports with RAID enabled. Manjaro used to see my HDD, and has stopped seeing the HDD now. I think it's since the last round of updates. Any ideas on how i troubleshoot it?
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[20:01:09] <karenmcd> Another bit of info that might be useful is that I can no longer see the HDD on GParted either, but I can see it in the BIOS.
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[20:01:35] <Strit_Laptop> You rebooted after the update?
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[20:03:36] <karenmcd> it's true, many times. Mostly because I was trying to install a VM yesterday, but I gave up and removed those packages (kvm/qemu). I also reverted my bios back to defaults (i had enabled a bunch of Virtualization passthrough stuff), which had allowed this new pc to see the HDD to begin with...
[20:05:09] <karenmcd> i installed the new board/cpu/ram 2 days ago, and other then needing to plug the HDD into a non-S_SATA port (moved it to SATA3_1 slot from S_SATA_1 slot) - everything had worked well (S_SATA does not support RAID on the x99 chipset)
[20:05:39] <Strit_Laptop> So you have your HDD and Optical in a RAID?
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[20:07:57] <karenmcd> yeah, they are RAID 0 - (mainly beacuse i wanted to be able to add another 2 HDDs and switch it to RAID 5 later)
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[20:12:39] <Strit_Laptop> Can HDD's and Optical drives be in a RAID together?
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[20:17:15] <karenmcd> yes, because it's 'fakeraid' - and because they are at level 0, as well as unless there's a disc in the CD/DVD/BR drive, there will only be one set of blocks (and drive) to read/write to. I'm more wondering if there's a conflict between the SSATA SSD (which does not support RAID) and the SATA HDD - seems really strange that i've been saving to the HDD tho for a few weeks on the old setup and for a day on the new components, and
[20:17:15] <karenmcd> for it to suddenly stop working
[20:18:04] <Strit_Laptop> They shouldn't conflict. Does lsblk see it?
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[20:18:44] <karenmcd> NAME   MAJ:MIN RM  SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[20:18:44] <karenmcd> sda      8:0    0  477G  0 disk
[20:18:44] <karenmcd> ├─sda1   8:1    0  461G  0 part /
[20:18:44] <karenmcd> └─sda2   8:2    0   16G  0 part [SWAP]
[20:18:44] <karenmcd> sr0     11:0    1 1024M  0 rom
[20:18:52] <karenmcd> nope
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[20:19:29] <Strit_Laptop> Maybe the drive just died? It's been known to happen.
[20:20:30] <karenmcd> it's true - i'll try it in the other system, trouble is I only have manjaro systems to try it on.. but worth a go... see ya in a bit
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[20:44:59] <otyugh> hey
[20:45:19] <otyugh> A plugin (fancy, displaying HTML) is missing from claws-mail
[20:45:22] <otyugh> why ?
[20:45:35] <otyugh> Also youtube-dl isn't up to date, it can't download youtube videos :(
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[20:48:50] <karenmcd> Strit_Laptop, well.. idk what happened, but i installed it in the other PC, it worked. I brought it back here, and it works again. I didn't change anything! lol Sp00ky
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[20:50:21] <Strit_Laptop> hehe. :) A fluke
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[20:57:33] <anonkun> hi, I had a couple of questions on gnome manjaro
[20:57:56] <anonkun> when I try to minimize hexchat to tray, it just disappears and closes, what's going on with this behaviour?
[20:59:46] <Strit_Laptop> you sure it's not in the tray? What do you use to minimize it to tray with?
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[21:02:25] <anonkun> the "close" button
[21:02:33] <anonkun> it has the option to minimize on close instead of closing
[21:02:43] <anonkun> this is very common and works with KDE
[21:04:19] <Strit_Laptop> And it's not in the pull-out tray in gnome?
[21:04:58] <anonkun> oh
[21:05:05] <anonkun> thanks, didn't realize that's where it minimizes
[21:05:14] <Strit_Laptop> lol. your welcome. :P
[21:06:49] <anonkun> xD
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[21:53:45] <jgggodoy13> buenastardes
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[22:08:52] <NikitaOrange> do someone speak spanish?
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[22:09:26] <NikitaOrange> i need help installing google chrome
[22:11:26] <rhg135> I do, but there's a channel for that; it's just silent
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[22:14:52] <NikitaOrange> I've downloaded Chrome from the web, can you teach me to install it?
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[22:15:52] <rhg135> You can install it from the aur; best to let pacman manage these things
[22:15:52] <mtn_> NikitaOrange: why not get it from the aur?
[22:16:09] <NikitaOrange> teach me
[22:16:54] <NikitaOrange> first I will try for myself, I'll been back
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[22:19:11] <NikitaOrange> I don't know look for in AUR
[22:19:38] <NikitaOrange> I want to know how I look for google chrome there
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[22:19:49] <mtn_> NikitaOrange: your package manager can see and install things from the aur
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[22:21:21] <NikitaOrange> no. it package doesn't appear
[22:21:26] <astrofog> http://i.imgur.com/JkM6WIA.png
[22:21:27] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/g3KM3i] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[22:21:49] <rhg135> it's google-chrome iirc
[22:21:51] <astrofog> NikitaOrange: http://i.imgur.com/JkM6WIA.png
[22:21:51] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/g3KM3i] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
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[22:23:24] <NikitaOrange> ok, I was looking for in Octopi
[22:23:41] <NikitaOrange> what's the name of that program?
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[22:24:15] <rhg135> Click the alien icon
[22:25:45] <astrofog> NikitaOrange: I use pamac, for xfce, but you probably use octopi in KDE, and yes press alien icon and search
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[22:28:27] <NikitaOrange> ok, I found it. thank you
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[22:36:24] <flipper-maniac> hey guys what's the command to restart plasma in kde?
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[22:45:12] <d42> kquitapp plasmashell;plasmashell
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[22:48:36] <flipper-maniac> thx d42 ,that worked
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[23:04:48] <sprat> cool ww2t runs on my fresh install
[23:05:17] <manjaro-kde5-> how can i put opera as default browser, opera set as default browser does nothing it allways open firefox
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[23:06:08] <redssdf> Hi, I just installed manjaro (clean install) and I'm having this weird issue where weird blotches are showing up on the window tabs at the bottom of the screen when i  change focus from then until they get it back - anyone else had this?
[23:07:00] <bennypr0fane> redssdf: which desktop?
[23:07:21] <manjaro-kde5-> years ago
[23:07:39] <sprat> i'm not seeing that w/xfce redssdf
[23:07:52] <redssdf> thats what im using
[23:07:55] <manjaro-kde5-> none kde
[23:08:24] <manjaro-kde5-> it is mouse software problem, it had same when i used mate
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[23:08:40] <manjaro-kde5-> it was years ago
[23:08:48] <redssdf> http://imgur.com/a/STDIj
[23:08:49] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/aUrcnQ] Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet
[23:08:55] <redssdf> thats what I mean
[23:09:04] <redssdf> using xfce
[23:09:22] <bennypr0fane> guys, any idea what this means? http://pastebin.ca/3764105 Steam fails to start for me.
[23:09:23] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/gQdxNI] pastebin - Anonymous - post number 3764105
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[23:10:34] <Vlado9A> redssdf: I suggest you make that update and restart manjaro
[23:10:44] <manjaro-kde5-> propobly you used terminal and tried to use mouse acceleration
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[23:11:38] <redssdf> alright, ill wait for the updates then
[23:11:39] <redssdf> cheers
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[23:11:54] <Vlado9A> good luck redssdf
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[23:13:42] <manjaro-kde5-> but this simple question how i get opera as default browser, when i open link from email it starts with firefox, those button won't work "set this browser as default"
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[23:16:12] <bennypr0fane> manjaro-kde5-: the e-mail might have its own idea what default browse ris
[23:17:09] <bennypr0fane> e.g. firefox has its own list of applications to handle different file types with. Maybe Thunderbird too (or whichever e-mail client you're using)
[23:17:42] <manjaro-kde5-> and do anyone have command lines to terminal to get flash player to opera?.
[23:18:11] <manjaro-kde5-> i'll try to use browser to email and then lets see
[23:18:14] <bennypr0fane> manjaro-kde5-: for me it just works with the regular package from repos
[23:18:38] <rhg135> opera lul
[23:18:48] <rhg135> is it still around?
[23:19:09] <bennypr0fane> guys what do I do in Manjaro when drivers fail to load?
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[23:19:47] <bennypr0fane> rhg135: what you got against Opera? Still a very cool product. the company Was bought by some huge chinese corp though
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[23:20:29] <rhg135> nothing, bennypr0fane, I was just wondering
[23:20:37] <rhg135> so they do indeed live
[23:20:53] <rhg135> it's not oss, there's that
[23:21:27] <manjaro-kde5-> stupid me it will just open new tab, ill try thunderbird changes
[23:22:13] <Jeannie> opera, just another chromium clone
[23:22:20] <rhg135> is running manjaro unstable a good idea?
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[23:22:41] <rhg135> maybe I should stick to testing
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[23:24:20] <manjaro-kde5-> chromium is it same than chrome? google? stealing things?
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[23:24:40] <rhg135> you would hope not
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[23:24:47] <manjaro-kde5-> well it is
[23:24:56] <rhg135> It just has some google code for sync
[23:25:07] <manjaro-kde5-> but it is clone
[23:25:11] <manjaro-kde5-> ok
[23:25:15] <rhg135> and flash
[23:25:41] <rhg135> think of it as a chromium distro
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[23:26:45] <rhg135> unstable it is
[23:27:01] <rhg135> this laptop sucks anyway
[23:27:24] <manjaro-kde5-> i does not have popup for copy and search whitch i need all the time
[23:28:06] <rhg135> the workaround I use is to not search
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[23:28:13] <rhg135> it kinda sucks
[23:28:14] <manjaro-kde5-> try opera and try copy text and there is popup
[23:28:37] <rhg135> i think ff has that too
[23:28:49] <rhg135> strange that chrome doesn't
[23:29:14] <rhg135> yeah it does
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[23:29:47] <manjaro-kde5-> chromium has popup by clicking but opera has shortcut thingy
[23:30:01] <rhg135> vimperator ftw
[23:30:09] <rhg135> all the mappings
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[23:31:34] <rhg135> any idea why inkscape would use the default X layout instead of the current for shortcuts?
[23:31:54] <rhg135> it's rather annoying sometimes
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[23:36:32] <manjaro-kde5-> chromium uses same predictions on url bar than chrome so it is gathering information, even i deleted my few addresses it predicted my address
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[23:37:06] <manjaro-kde5-> deleted my history it uses.....
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[23:37:16] <rhg135> that's because the url bar has search prediction...
[23:37:59] <manjaro-kde5-> i deleted my history
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[23:38:09] <rhg135> I personally like that ff has a seperate search bar
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[23:38:40] <rhg135> chromium might have a setting for it
[23:39:07] <rhg135> for not doing prediction I mean
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[23:39:32] <rhg135> then it'd be '?cats' to search for cats
[23:40:09] <manjaro-kde5-> it might but it might just hide them not stopping gathering them
[23:40:35] <rhg135> so many paranoid people these days
[23:40:48] <rhg135> then change your search engine
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[23:41:19] <rhg135> on my desktop I use ddg
[23:41:26] <rhg135> and it can suck
[23:42:21] <rhg135> it's good for common knowledge stuff, but anything tech-wise
[23:42:55] <manjaro-kde5-> i am paranoid because windows 10 pro when they shared my pics aal over the net
[23:43:15] <rhg135> oh yeah, the user error/bad defaults
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[23:43:54] <ajh> there's always !g got get good results when you need them
[23:44:24] * rhg135 does a google search for 'manjaro-kde5- bank account' :P
[23:44:44] <ajh> woah woah what's this about sharing pics
[23:44:45] <ajh> I have a shitton of porn on my windows box
[23:44:45] <ajh> I wasn't paranoid until just now
[23:45:05] <manjaro-kde5-> :D
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[23:45:16] <rhg135> ajh: only if you store them in shared folders
[23:45:33] <rhg135> but, meh
[23:45:37] <manjaro-kde5-> not porn :D pics from 1994-2016 real pics not porn
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[23:46:22] <rhg135> also, windows doesn't publically share anything afaik
[23:46:43] <rhg135> unless you give it credentials anyway
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[23:50:14] <manjaro-kde5-> then i fucked up i installed manjaro to my 1tb hdd about 4 times then i got 120gb ssd drive i put format so i can have clean plate to thant... went to bathroom to take crap and i forgot to manage right drive .. i realisided tha i was formatting 1tb drive middle of pooping :D.. no where to go and i knew there was no where going withoiut humiliating myself :D
[23:50:53] <manjaro-kde5-> so i went to computer shit in my ass to stop it and it was too late anyways
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[23:51:39] <manjaro-kde5-> so i humiliated myself and pooped to my room and formatted my backup drive :D
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[23:53:15] <manjaro-kde5-> well windows have my few pics because i putted them in wrong folder, yes win does not publish your pics if they are in your pics folder
[23:53:21] <hisforever> Hi I need help with the alt key, I need to change it to be used for blender?
[23:53:30] <ajh> ahh ok good
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[23:54:29] <manjaro-kde5-> alt key? blender what apt?
[23:55:20] <hisforever> so I can click on an object to select sides od verts
[23:55:47] <rhg135> unsmap it from your de
[23:55:48] <hisforever> od = of
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[23:57:09] <hisforever> I changed it before but frogot where I changed the alt key
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[23:59:00] <rhg135> in plasma it's in system settings under shortcuts; and i3 doesn't by default. other de idk
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[23:59:48] <hisforever> ty rhg135
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[23:59:59] <rhg135> np
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