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[00:00:02] <Kjeldmis> and before that maclisp when I was 12.
[00:00:02] <helical> Kjeldmis: Did you get that new Go JetBrains ide?
[00:00:22] <Joseph> rhg136: fp?
[00:00:25] <helical> haven't tried it yet, but looks nice.
[00:00:47] <rhg136> functional programming
[00:00:56] <Joseph> Oh duh
[00:01:00] <Joseph> Yeah kind of?
[00:01:07] <Kjeldmis> Joseph: functional programming
[00:01:21] <Joseph> It sort of masquerades as a procedural language though, the way its taught
[00:01:23] <Joseph> it's*
[00:01:31] <Kjeldmis> oh, rhg136 already answered
[00:01:34] <Joseph> Yeah :P
[00:01:35] <rhg136> like, a lot of self-discipline
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[00:01:54] <Kjeldmis> helical: I will definitely check it out.
[00:02:15] <helical> Kjeldmis: https://www.jetbrains.com/go/
[00:02:34] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: programming in functional languages made me a better programmer overall.
[00:02:53] <rhg136> my python code is riddled with lambdas
[00:03:45] <Kjeldmis> thx helical
[00:03:48] <rhg136> if only the syntax was less verbose for it
[00:04:12] <rhg136> I also learned to (ab)use partial
[00:05:47] <rhg136> add8 = partial(op.add, 2)
[00:05:55] <rhg136> add2*
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[00:09:26] <karenmcd> CPU: Intel i7-5930K (12) @ 3.5GHz, GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti, Memory: 979MiB / 32100MiB, OS: Manjaro Linux x86_64, Kernel: 4.9.6-1-MANJARO
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[00:12:08] <karenmcd> now if only WINE-staging would be allowed to write past 2 gigs with starcraft II - but holy cow this pc runs great - not even using 1 gig of 32 gigs w/xfce desktop - again, thx so much manjaro developers! :)
[00:13:15] <Joseph> karenmcd: Yeah, I also find Xfce to be very light. runs well on my 2 GB RAM netbook, Atom CPU
[00:13:21] <Joseph> good battery life too.
[00:13:30] <Joseph> Nice thing to lug around in a pinch
[00:14:46] <karenmcd> yeah
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[00:15:32] <karenmcd> i got one with 4 gigs ram - im trying to get it to be my mobile recording station - haven't been able to find good firewire drivers for it yet tho.. sooooo much static on recordings
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[00:23:53] <Joseph> Firewire huh?
[00:24:08] <Joseph> Good old IEEE1394
[00:24:13] <Joseph> Haven't seen one of those in a while
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[00:39:36] <lnxui> any remote desktop recommendations other than nomachine?
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[00:44:52] <badbodh> watcha wanna do remotely ?
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[00:45:24] <lnxui> i need to manage the pc
[00:45:38] <lnxui> x11 forwarding on some apps crash out occasionally
[00:45:40] <lnxui> need reliability
[00:45:45] <badbodh> TeamViewer ?
[00:46:04] <lnxui> possibly
[00:46:13] <lnxui> removed tv after their hack or whatever that was
[00:46:16] <lnxui> leaked account shit
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[00:47:00] <badbodh> will an rdp client do ?
[00:47:14] <lnxui> its a linux server with DE
[00:47:20] <lnxui> so you think vnc?
[00:47:52] <badbodh> i've used vinagre and remmina before
[00:48:10] <badbodh> prefer the latter
[00:48:24] <badbodh> krdc or something for kde
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[00:48:56] <badbodh> haven't used tigervnc yet
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[00:49:51] <lnxui> remmina looks cool
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[01:00:57] <nicklas_> Ahoy
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[01:11:56] <inahd> anyone play freeorion?
[01:12:21] <inahd> haven't tried it in ages, but trying to install it fails :/
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[01:14:58] <inahd> masters of orion 2 was so good, how did they mess 3 up so bad?
[01:16:13] <tefter> there is new master of orion I bought it for 28 euros on Steam
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[01:16:18] <tefter> have a great fun
[01:17:46] <inahd> what?
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[01:25:55] <inahd> ok tefter you are serious!
[01:26:01] <inahd> thats so crazy
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[01:27:50] <tefter> moo3 is ok
[01:27:56] <tefter> i have played it
[01:27:59] <tefter> but it is buggy
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[01:42:36] <inahd> ok well this mouse issue is persisting, apparently, even when xinput disabled, and using a usb mouse
[01:42:41] <geek> is it just an impression or plasma is getting better than gnome? so many new features every release
[01:43:12] <inahd> geek, i would have to use them to know :p
[01:43:27] <geek> inahd, what are you using now
[01:43:42] <inahd> xfce
[01:43:55] <geek> the most stable, indeed
[01:44:08] <inahd> gnome lost me a long time ago, and kde never could attract.
[01:44:32] <geek> it's getting atractive now
[01:44:39] <Joseph> yeah, Plasma is nice looking.
[01:45:05] <inahd> my problem with kde has always been... well kde
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[01:45:15] <inahd> k everything got a little weird
[01:45:31] <geek> qt is a way better than gtk
[01:45:41] <geek> GTK api documentation is ugly
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[01:49:57] <inahd> i would like to see kde work for me. the concept is pretty attractive.
[01:50:46] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: hey! got it all setup finally :D
[01:54:28] <powerofm> anyone know of how to get the manjaro xfce theme working? I had to manually install xfce and it's all vanilla :(
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[01:57:40] <mzam4514> how to install java in manjaro ?
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[02:00:39] <rhg136> with style :P
[02:01:17] <rhg136> `pacman -S jdk8-openjdk`
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[02:01:33] <rhg136> err, that's a jdk
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[04:34:59] <Osoolo> hi
[04:35:30] <Osoolo> i have manjaro kde after typing password and enter its just hangs
[04:35:32] <Osoolo> help
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[05:34:51] <Nati323> Hey , someone here?
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[06:19:39] <manjaroDeepin> hey
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[06:34:13] <shady45> is manjaro kde slow?
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[06:52:01] <Nati323> hey someone here?
[06:52:05] <lucasem> yep
[06:52:12] <Nati323> hey
[06:52:15] <lucasem> hello!
[06:52:23] <Nati323> I tried to install manjaro
[06:52:29] <Nati323> and when the boot menu open
[06:53:06] <Nati323> its boot too fast and I was unable to select some option, anyway it started booting and then I got an error says faild to claim reasource
[06:53:22] <Nati323> and now I have a black screen with underscore blanked
[06:53:51] <Nati323> I has the same error with mint and I had been told that it because my NVIDIA display card
[06:54:23] <lucasem> which boot loader are you using?
[06:54:53] <lucasem> If it's happening to fast you may want to hold down the arrow key or something
[06:55:17] <lucasem> I assume the live disk boots just fine?
[06:56:46] <Nati323> no even the live not opened
[06:56:56] <Nati323> what is boot loader?
[06:57:35] <lucasem> Nati323: did you have mint already installed? Have you been trying to set up dual-boot?
[06:57:48] <Nati323> I'm new to this (sorry for my ignorance)
[06:57:49] <lucasem> Nati323: Also, are you able to get into BIOS?
[06:57:53] <Nati323> I has installed mint
[06:57:57] <Nati323> d*
[06:58:09] <lucasem> (Nati323: If you don't know about the boot loader, that's fine)
[06:58:19] <Nati323> but its not working for me its freeze
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[06:58:31] <Nati323> but I'm able to get into BIOS
[06:58:52] <lucasem> Nati323: can you tell BIOS to boot from whatever device you're using for the live disk?
[06:59:07] <lucasem> also, how did you create the live disk?
[06:59:20] <Nati323> yes,I told it to boot from usb
[06:59:22] <Nati323> with rufus
[07:00:41] <lucasem> And what exactly happens when you try booting to the live disk?
[07:02:01] <Nati323> I tried both mode (mean also nonfree) , I get an error says "falid to claim reasource1" and other lines and its get stוuck on a black screen
[07:03:58] <lucasem> huh, well it's good you get at least get that far..
[07:04:40] <lucasem> Nati323: so you were able to get other OSs working before, right?
[07:04:50] <Nati323> windows 10
[07:06:19] <lucasem> any linux distros at all?
[07:06:25] <Nati323> nop
[07:08:17] <Nati323> any suggestions?
[07:08:18] <Nati323> brb
[07:12:44] <lucasem> Nati323: not too sure, tbh. If I had to guess, I'd say your hardware might be incompatible with the distros. As a last resort, I'd try ubuntu, and if that fails then maybe one of the hardware vendors needs to get some stuff added to the linux kernel.
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[07:17:41] <Nati323> ok thanks i'll try ubuntu
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[07:18:32] <lucasem> Nati323: out of cursiosity, what kind of machine are you using?
[07:19:52] <Nati323> Lenovo ideapad 310
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[07:21:01] <lucasem> Nati323: FWIW, I had a similar issue trying to install manjaro on my 12" macbook.
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[07:21:42] <Nati323> You think that in next kernel version its will be foxed?
[07:21:44] <Nati323> fixed*
[07:22:19] <lucasem> Nati323: absolutely no clue
[07:22:25] <lucasem> fingers crossed, I suppse
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[07:24:44] <Nati323> :(
[07:29:23] <Nati323> tell me something if I would install Linux on vm in windows I will get the same errors?
[07:30:06] <lucasem> Nati323: almost assuredly you will not get the same errors.
[07:30:26] <lucasem> If you did, I'd be _extremely_ surprised, and really quite dumbfounded
[07:35:53] <Nati323> So how can I know when I can install Linux on my machine without all this proccess
[07:37:48] <lucasem> ideally, you'd trace the issue down to a particular problem, open a ticket with the appropriate repo (e.g. linux, if that's where you found the problem), and wait for it to close. But that's a lot of effort
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[07:49:35] <Nati323> What its a lot of effort?
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[07:51:18] <Nati323> Why*
[07:51:24] <lucasem> It'd be a lot of effort to actually find out where the problem is coming from.
[07:51:48] <lucasem> It's not like you even know if the problem has to do with the kernel
[07:52:23] <Nati323> ok, thanks , Do you know how to disable RAID controller on lenovo?
[07:52:36] <lucasem> no idea
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[08:34:56] <physkets> hey, I'm on KDE; how do I disable the Ctrl+q shortcut? I keep quitting my browser when I jsut want to close a tab (Ctrl+w).
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[08:53:59] <Satyam2345> When i can see manjaro kde to update to plasma 5.9
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[08:54:47] <Satyam2345> I need to test it but many thanks to dev not include [kde-unstable] repo
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[09:04:45] <mchasard> hi till the last update aur update could be finalized
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[09:05:07] <mchasard> so i stay yellow
[09:05:21] <Satyam2345> any way for me to acess kde-unstable
[09:05:42] <Satyam2345> want to try plasma 5.9
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[09:07:17] <mchasard> gstreamer with aur could update
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[09:31:34] <Satyam2345> yo
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[10:02:35] <Vlado9A> gm manjaro :)
[10:03:49] <ringo> hi
[10:04:03] <ringo> have to call my isp , damn speed suck :)
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[10:04:51] <day|flip> ehhh call the tech support for any isp suck to begin with
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[10:05:55] <ringo> bought a new wifi card, and stil suck :)
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[10:06:07] <ringo> thought i dish the dongle and replace by card would be
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[10:06:18] <ringo> tecnician had 173 , so weird
[10:06:46] <ringo> now my range of the card is suckker then the dongle...mmm
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[10:37:25] <snowcrash20> o/
[10:37:43] <day|flip> ello
[10:37:44] <lucasem> o\
[10:38:03] <day|flip> lucasem: why are you hurting your self?
[10:38:13] <snowcrash20> so i managed to get that issue form the other day resolved
[10:38:32] <snowcrash20> but then i updated today and it broke hella stuff T-T
[10:40:03] <snowcrash20> octopi was updating, I clicked another window, everythign locked up, I hard reset, and since then I've just been fighting my way to botting..., currently trying to get the wireless card working
[10:40:10] <snowcrash20> which idk why all of a sudden it isn't
[10:41:40] <snowcrash20> I discovered that turning off the integrate dintel chip made booting much easier
[10:41:55] <snowcrash20> now i just need ot get this wireless card working again and we should be back to regular shape
[10:42:51] <day|flip> packman.db or something like that. you stop a dl or a update. pacman lockup. when you try doing "sudo pacman -Syu" in the terminal. it tell what to rm. the very file that locking pacman.
[10:44:36] <snowcrash20> thanks for the response
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[10:44:49] <snowcrash20> I actually alreayd did that, is there a way to force it to rebuild the db?
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[10:45:20] <day|flip> not till you rm the file that locking pacman up
[10:46:01] <day|flip> but this is the only thing that come to mind
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[10:47:03] <snowcrash20> hmm in /var/lib/pacman/ there is no db.lck file
[10:47:30] <Strit> Then pacman should continue. If it shows errors, please paste them
[10:47:37] <snowcrash20> so i can only assume i removed it earlier when attempting this repair process
[10:48:06] <snowcrash20> pacman throws no errors, just says there is nothign to do
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[10:48:45] <snowcrash20> there is a local/ and sync/   tho
[10:49:06] <snowcrash20> which have db files in them, but no db in just pacman/
[10:49:38] <snowcrash20> th e issue here being my wireless card has stopped working lol
[10:50:17] <Strit> snowcrash20: you probably need either an enternet cable or a live CD to fix this.
[10:50:30] <snowcrash20> I have both of these things
[10:50:35] <snowcrash20> plugged in via ethernet rn
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[10:50:49] <snowcrash20> the comp can access the internet, just wireeless has stopped working all of a sudden
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[10:51:09] <Strit> Okay. Then go to Manjaro Settings Manager - Hardware Detection and then reinstall your wifi drivers.
[10:51:15] <snowcrash20> ath10k_pci : failed to seupt httP: -110
[10:51:23] <snowcrash20> could not write init core: -110
[10:51:33] <snowcrash20> kk 1 sec
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[10:52:35] <Manj-1509-Lxde> hallo, guten morgen
[10:53:04] <snowcrash20> hmm.. clicked install open source graphic driver and the screen locked up
[10:53:22] <Manj-1509-Lxde> naja, bye !!
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[10:53:27] <snowcrash20> im getting off topic D: brb 2 few min
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[10:58:08] <snowcrash20> also a strange thing is i have to attempt to boot the computer twice in order to actually boot it
[10:58:27] <snowcrash20> ergo, i have to hard restart it :\
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[11:11:40] <snowcrash20> alright so I found the device in the drive drop down under manjaro settings, but i cant seem to interact with it
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[11:12:33] <snowcrash20> and clicking showing all devices causes everything to lock up
[11:12:58] <geek> any chance to get plasma 5.9 in beta repos?
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[11:16:09] <snowcrash20> does anyone know of a good spot to get more active help with these matters?
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[11:18:37] <day|flip> geek: if you have the ram. why not do VB with kde neon. less work. other wise your going have to build it by source. aur or you doing it
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[11:20:52] <Jeannie> Have some patience, Plasma5.9 has come to Arch stable yesterday
[11:21:14] <day|flip> he just left
[11:21:21] <day|flip> V.V
[11:21:25] <Jeannie> Damned, 9 seconds too late
[11:21:40] <killown> day|flip I will wait for it, compiling kde is hard and I am lazy, can't imagine so many errors  and hours of pain to fix all the issues
[11:22:02] <killown> I am here
[11:22:10] <killown> << geek
[11:22:14] <day|flip> ahh
[11:22:27] <killown> someone is using my nickname
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[11:22:42] <day|flip> will if Jeannie said it in arch stable. then you could try manjar unstable if you really want to give it a try
[11:23:13] <day|flip> manjaro unstable***
[11:24:15] <geek> manjaro unstable = archlinux stable?
[11:24:21] <geek> so it's not unstable at all
[11:24:23] <day|flip> yes
[11:27:52] <snowcrash20> nothing like finding dead links to potential solutions
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[11:29:10] <Jeannie> Plasma 5.9 hasn't been announced as available for MAnjaro Unstable yet in the forum
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[11:39:08] <nohitall> never understood with distros are filled to the brink with crap
[11:39:15] <nohitall> I mean filemanagre, browser, editor
[11:39:18] <nohitall> that should be all
[11:39:24] <nohitall> so annoying to remove all that clutter
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[11:41:39] <Jeannie> It's called convenience
[11:41:50] <snowcrash20> easier to include programs you could easily install than fix the tough bugs i guess
[11:43:16] <nohitall> I"d prefer a nearly empty base distro
[11:43:20] <nohitall> where I can install what I need
[11:43:45] <Jeannie> Use lfs or pure arch then
[11:43:54] <nohitall> na, too lazy to configure desktop enviroment
[11:44:08] <Jeannie> Then stop complaining
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[11:49:23] <day|flip> nohitall: will you just sum up the terminal. it all of those
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[11:56:35] <snowcrash20> deb files dont work on manjaro/arch right?
[11:56:56] <snowcrash20> oh i guess they might
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[12:23:03] <nohitall> hmm my brightness levels dont work in openbox but in xfce *scratch head*
[12:23:13] <nohitall> but i copied my ob configs from old machine
[12:23:44] <nohitall> shouldnt that work no matter what WM
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[12:24:46] <Jeannie> Too lazy to configure a DE, so let's use an edifficult to configure wm.
[12:25:20] <nohitall> I dont like xfce&co
[12:25:23] <nohitall> im used to openbox
[12:26:01] <Jeannie> Which obviously works better ootb than a DE
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[12:26:40] <nohitall> you are one little hateful person arent ya
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[12:29:03] <snowcrash20> sigh..... launching nvidia settings completely locks up my machine
[12:29:28] <snowcrash20> reisub doesnt work
[12:29:30] <snowcrash20> cant open tty
[12:30:44] <snowcrash20> this is why I don't use linux anymore (well the main reason is vst). tech support is like a hydra, every solution leads to two more bugs, and there aren't many avenues for help
[12:31:24] <Jeannie> I have a Manjaro that has been installed 4 years ago. It stillworks wonderfully
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[12:31:58] <snowcrash20> what do you use it for?
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[12:32:48] <snowcrash20> web browser and text editing?
[12:32:57] <snowcrash20> because thats about all i can pull off on linux
[12:33:29] <Jeannie> Its my daily workhorse, writing/editing texts, web, compiling, banking, administating my little business and more
[12:33:34] <snowcrash20> i mean, barring the great multiplatform apps like nuke, bitwig blender
[12:33:54] <Jeannie> Nuke? Bitwig?
[12:34:12] <snowcrash20> nuke is a node based compositor
[12:34:29] <snowcrash20> bitwig is a daw
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[12:36:52] <snowcrash20> not sure of the extent that compiling uses cpu cycles but most digital design gets pretty computation heavy
[12:37:39] <Jeannie> My 8 cores performance usually is maxxed out when compiling
[12:38:11] <day|flip> make -j5 = 4 core
[12:38:44] <Jeannie> Sure, double compiling time
[12:39:55] <rhg135> I can't wait till I get a decent CPU for my computer. Scrolling in inkscape and such is so slow right now
[12:40:04] <day|flip> i wonder what happen when someone do make -j9001 on a 8 core cpu
[12:40:31] <rhg135> The kernel kills most of them
[12:40:32] <tefter> it will consume all ram first
[12:40:47] <rhg135> Yeah
[12:41:00] <snowcrash20> sigh, what can be done about a settings window that casues your whole system to lock up, total kernel panic
[12:41:40] <tefter> snowcrash20 hardware problem?
[12:41:55] <snowcrash20> well the hardware was working just fine
[12:42:06] <Jeannie> until when?
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[12:42:13] <snowcrash20> then tried showing my girl how to update with octopi and boom lockup
[12:43:01] <snowcrash20> erugh. anyway, It seems to come down to an issue with the wireless crad
[12:43:05] <snowcrash20> killer ireless 1535
[12:43:13] <snowcrash20> wireless* AC 1535
[12:43:29] <snowcrash20> manjaro sees it in settings but doesn't want to use it
[12:43:37] <snowcrash20> i've tried updating the drivers (pulled form github)
[12:43:44] <tefter> snowcrash20 check dmesg
[12:43:57] <snowcrash20> dmesg says its an ath10k failure
[12:44:14] <snowcrash20> which is the manuafcturer of my wireless card, so
[12:44:27] <snowcrash20> i even unmounted the drivers with rmmod
[12:44:34] <snowcrash20> and remounted with modprobe
[12:44:52] <snowcrash20> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1520343?comments=all
[12:44:56] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/5WoDUa] Bug #1520343 “Qualcomm Atheros wireless card [168c:003e] (rev 32...” : Bugs : linux-firmware package : Ubuntu
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[12:47:51] <snowcrash20> it seems from the very beginning, when during the update, I launched nvidia x server and that caused a freeze, forcing me to hard reset, meaning my pacman db was locked up. it's says its up to date.
[12:48:15] <snowcrash20> so I suppose I resolved that issue but i still can't get wireless to work
[12:48:31] <tefter> nvidia settings locking up indicates problem with GPU
[12:48:37] <snowcrash20> and the computer still is randomly hanging on boot and occasionally shutdown
[12:48:42] <tefter> if you suspect kernel just boot older one eg 44
[12:49:02] <day|flip> snowcrash20: how new is the computer?
[12:50:19] <snowcrash20> so far still a bit of a headache
[12:50:28] <snowcrash20> at leats i got the thing booting
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[12:55:22] <snowcrash20> tefter alright I'll try but it gets a bit spooky since I have a kabylake cpu, so apparently i need to use 4.5 onward, the only other option i see is 4.4 & 4.8
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[12:56:14] <tefter> ok which kernel you use?
[12:56:14] <day|flip> manjaro dev build are using 4.9
[12:56:22] <snowcrash20> ^^
[12:57:13] <tefter> try 44 anyway
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[12:57:30] <snowcrash20> kk
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[13:01:22] <tefter> you need newer kernel only if you use iGPU
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[13:01:39] <snowcrash20> igpu? is that like the nvidia optimus dual card thing?
[13:01:49] <tefter> yeah integrated GPU
[13:02:01] <tefter> need new driver therefore newer kernel
[13:02:07] <snowcrash20> i have an integrated and discrete chip
[13:02:24] <tefter> do you use integrated?
[13:02:47] <snowcrash20> i don't require it, no
[13:02:53] <snowcrash20> obviously itd be nice to have
[13:02:56] <tefter> then boot 44 no problem
[13:03:14] <tefter> i see kernel 2.6.18 working with new Xeons no problem
[13:03:38] <day|flip> tefter: what gen of intel
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[13:03:45] <snowcrash20> 7th, kabylake
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[13:04:14] <snowcrash20> its a 7700HQ
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[13:05:03] <snowcrash20> ok so I'm using linux kernel 4.4, set uefi to use discrete, turned off gpu scaling
[13:05:14] <tefter> yeah
[13:05:31] <snowcrash20> and its says, ignoring BGRT: failed to map image memory
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[13:05:55] <snowcrash20> then says snd_hda_intel: failed to add i915 component master
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[13:06:19] <tefter> hm that's iGPU problem old driver
[13:06:29] <snowcrash20> and ath10k_pci failed to fetch board data ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0 from bus=pci, so on & so on
[13:06:30] <tefter> do you boot?
[13:06:56] <snowcrash20> I can flip between tty, but it doesn't go anywhere
[13:07:36] <tefter> seems you are using iGPU
[13:08:11] <tefter> try 4.10 then
[13:08:28] <tefter> if older does not works try newest one ;p
[13:08:29] <snowcrash20> so linux is trying to use the igpu, but i have it turned off in UEFI so it's not freezing, but its not booting either?
[13:08:43] <tefter> if you have no gui with 44
[13:08:55] <tefter> that probably means no iGPU support
[13:09:13] <snowcrash20> hmm 1 sec
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[13:09:38] <tefter> but
[13:09:58] <tefter> then try 4.10
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[13:11:26] <tefter> all in all if monitor is connected to descrete I can't see why you don't have GUI
[13:12:15] <day|flip> most intel gpu come with some form of apu
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[13:13:04] <snowcrash20> its a laptop, would that make any diff?
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[13:15:08] <snowcrash20> oh btw the setting in uefi is mshybrid vs discrete
[13:15:24] <snowcrash20> there is also VT-d and SGX
[13:15:55] <zero-ghost> whats with all the gstreamer stuff being installed from the AUR?
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[13:16:48] <zero-ghost> i want to remove it all but in xfce i see that gstreamer-base and its 2 dependencies are needed by the xfce-mixer
[13:16:49] <tefter> grstreamer010 got removed
[13:17:06] <zero-ghost> so in kde i should be fine removing everything right? since i didnt see it required by anything
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[13:17:17] <zero-ghost> but xfce still has it required by that one volume mixer
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[13:17:30] <tefter> just install it from AUR ;)
[13:17:46] <zero-ghost> it did that automatically which was annoying
[13:17:52] <zero-ghost> if it wasnt needed by anything
[13:18:08] <zero-ghost> there are also some other random things from the AUR i see in my KDE
[13:18:26] <tefter> probably because of same thing
[13:18:38] <tefter> that is those are removed
[13:18:38] <zero-ghost> kdebase-lib? required by kdebase-kdepass ?
[13:18:46] <zero-ghost> so i can just remove those too
[13:18:51] <zero-ghost> and then theres udisks
[13:19:00] <zero-ghost> i see theres udisks2 in the manjaro repos so im guessing thats why
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[13:21:19] <zero-ghost> however the one thing thats been there for a while now is ttf-oxygen, that is required by firefox
[13:21:35] <zero-ghost> why did that get moved to AUR if its needed by a major program?
[13:21:58] <tefter> they haven't think about that
[13:22:09] <snowcrash20> ok so 4.8 and 4.4 don't boot gui for me
[13:22:12] <snowcrash20> but 4.9 does
[13:22:13] <tefter> i have ttf-oxygen installed
[13:22:17] <snowcrash20> gonna try 4.1
[13:22:17] <tefter> from AUR
[13:22:31] <zero-ghost> yea, i just dont like things from the AUR
[13:22:34] <tefter> try 4.10
[13:22:50] <zero-ghost> so i wanted to get rid of any of the things i didnt specifically install
[13:23:10] <tefter> pacman -Qdt
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[13:24:40] <zero-ghost> yea i always do pacman -Qdtq
[13:24:49] <zero-ghost> then remove anything that finds
[13:25:02] <zero-ghost> but it didnt say gstreamer at any time
[13:26:51] <snowcrash20> tefter the only kernel that boots any gui is 4.9
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[13:29:23] <snowcrash20> still hanging on shutdown, hangs on boot 1/2 the time
[13:29:46] <zero-ghost> even if you shutdown from command line with "shutdown -r now"
[13:29:48] <zero-ghost> ?
[13:30:01] <zero-ghost> my KDE used to hang if i used the start menu shutdown
[13:30:14] <snowcrash20> i ahvent tried that
[13:30:25] <snowcrash20> but i will from now on
[13:30:37] <snowcrash20> it just worked, hopeuflly it keeps working
[13:30:54] <tefter> snowcrash20 laptop?
[13:31:23] <snowcrash20> tefter Clevo P650HS-G
[13:31:46] <tefter> ah
[13:31:52] <snowcrash20> i7 7700HQ, nvidia 1070 8gb
[13:32:01] <tefter> newer laptops are not well supported usually
[13:32:24] <snowcrash20> how long does it usually take
[13:32:34] <tefter> one year
[13:32:39] <snowcrash20> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[13:32:59] <zero-ghost> i had the same exact thing with my new gaming laptop a year ago ;)
[13:33:09] <zero-ghost> older kernels wouldnt boot to gui
[13:33:13] <zero-ghost> didnt take a year though
[13:33:22] <zero-ghost> 4.4 wouldnt work for a while
[13:33:28] <zero-ghost> had to use 4.1 for a while
[13:33:42] <snowcrash20> i can boot to gui with 4.9 but but but thats not the main problem i'm having...
[13:33:44] <zero-ghost> 4.5 worked i think etc etc etc
[13:33:47] <Jeannie> Which Nvidia driver is currently in use  under manjaro?
[13:33:57] <Jeannie> 370.xxx or 375.xx?
[13:34:13] <zero-ghost> 375.26
[13:34:39] <Jeannie> That works with the 1070. The 370.xx does not. Neither does nouveau
[13:34:52] <tefter> problem is iGPU
[13:35:58] <snowcrash20> attempting to open settings for nvidia x server causes freeze
[13:36:01] <tefter> i have laptop with both and desktop is run by iGPU
[13:36:14] <snowcrash20> also can't get the wireless card drivers to work again
[13:36:21] <snowcrash20> everythign was literally working this morning
[13:36:27] <tefter> well snowcrash20 your laptop is too new
[13:36:32] <snowcrash20> and then an update broke everything
[13:36:33] <tefter> not supported well
[13:36:35] <Jeannie> I feat that too
[13:36:36] <zero-ghost> yea :-P
[13:36:41] <zero-ghost> give it like 3 months
[13:36:46] <snowcrash20> ok well
[13:36:49] <zero-ghost> i think thats when mine started getting everything working
[13:36:52] <zero-ghost> minus wifi drivers
[13:36:53] <snowcrash20> my SO needs this computer for school now
[13:36:55] <zero-ghost> that took like 6 months
[13:36:56] <zero-ghost> or more
[13:37:20] <snowcrash20> i'd prefer not to have to go drop 120 on windows
[13:37:45] <snowcrash20> because once she's on that track she may never want to come back
[13:37:59] <Jeannie> That might indeed be a problem
[13:38:12] <Jeannie> When did you install that Manjaro?
[13:38:21] <snowcrash20> within the last week
[13:38:24] <negen> if you need windows you can get the windows education edition which is pretty nice it is free btw
[13:38:37] <Jeannie> Reinstall and avoid upgrading?
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[13:39:13] <zero-ghost> install with no internet, disable the octopi update checker
[13:39:19] <Jeannie> Switch to manjaro unstable to have newer packges?
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[13:39:23] <zero-ghost> and other auto start things
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[13:41:15] <negen> does dkms video drivers work with manjaro ?
[13:41:26] <negen> I find those to be the best anyways
[13:41:49] <negen> i need to test that out with my 1060 laptop kinda wish i got the 1070 but oh well
[13:42:09] <Jeannie> Does Nvidia proprietary  support dkms?
[13:42:36] <tefter> yes, in ubuntu it is installed via dkms
[13:42:41] <snowcrash20> ok well good thign i kept the OS partition separate
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[13:42:57] <snowcrash20> guess i'll attempt a reinstall, it's not ideal but thankfully the computer has had minimal customization
[13:42:58] <Jeannie> In Manjaro it is instlled via mhwd
[13:43:00] <tefter> or if you custom build manjaro kenrel you have to build nvidia driver via dkms
[13:43:01] <manjaro-web|4951> hi
[13:43:03] <negen> yes the Normal Nvidia drivers do I do not know about the hacked up free stuff
[13:43:21] <manjaro-web|4951> I have question for you
[13:43:22] <Jeannie> Nouveau does not support the Nvidia 10x0 Series yet
[13:43:42] <manjaro-web|4951> I have usb flash memory, how can I format it ?
[13:43:43] <tefter> my gtx 750 ti from 2014 got support in 4.10
[13:43:51] <negen> I do not know why people would use Nouveau anyways
[13:43:54] <tefter> i mean reclocking
[13:44:10] <manjaro-web|4951> but not use command, like rigth-click and format etc.
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[13:44:24] <negen> i mean i can see the point of free drivers if using free hardware but if using closed hardware why do people care if drivers are free or not so long as they work
[13:44:46] <tefter> wayland is one reason
[13:44:50] <zero-ghost> manjaro-web|4951: what edition are you using? KDE  / XFCE ?
[13:44:59] <manjaro-web|4951> xfce
[13:45:02] <manjaro-web|4951> ı guess
[13:45:13] <zero-ghost> open your start menu and type "partition"
[13:45:15] <day|flip> tefter: nvidia getting closer for wayland. what about amd?
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[13:45:26] <tefter> amd is ok for wayland
[13:45:28] <zero-ghost> click 'gparted'
[13:45:29] <tefter> nvidia sucks
[13:45:32] <Jeannie> Wayland sucks
[13:45:34] <manjaro-web|4951> yes gparted
[13:45:41] <negen> i wish wayland would either day or get completed i get tired of the last four or five years hearing wayland is almost here
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[13:45:52] <day|flip> Jeannie: your world view on browser and wayland sucks
[13:45:56] <tefter> wayland on gnome works fine
[13:45:58] <negen> *day =die
[13:46:00] <tefter> with nouveau
[13:46:05] <manjaro-web|4951> yeah it seem two partitions, first SATA HDD
[13:46:07] <manjaro-web|4951> second usb
[13:46:13] <Jeannie> Yes, wayland is almost usable now, after almost 9 years of development
[13:46:15] <zero-ghost> manjaro-web|4951: BE VERY CAREFUL
[13:46:24] <zero-ghost> yes you have to be sure you select the correct rive
[13:46:25] <zero-ghost> drive
[13:46:26] <manjaro-web|4951> yes I know :)
[13:46:29] <zero-ghost> or you will lose your data
[13:46:34] <tefter> Jeannie not almost but even conky works
[13:46:37] <manjaro-web|4951> I select usb (8 GiB)
[13:46:38] <zero-ghost> so click your usb drive and format it how you want
[13:46:57] <manjaro-web|4951> but disable same settings
[13:47:04] <Jeannie> Now we just need to wait until all applications are being rebuilt for wayland
[13:47:04] <day|flip> Jeannie: wayland been good for used from some time. it the other support. like web browser and media player ect
[13:47:11] <Jeannie> Before we can drop xorg....
[13:47:14] <tefter> Jeannie no need to
[13:47:18] <zero-ghost> manjaro-web|4951: unmount it
[13:47:22] <tefter> qt5 and gtk3 support it
[13:47:26] <Jeannie> So we just use xwayland?
[13:47:26] <manjaro-web|4951> how ?
[13:47:27] <zero-ghost> i mean from in gparted
[13:47:35] <tefter> xwayland does fine
[13:47:37] <tefter> tested
[13:47:42] <zero-ghost> right click on whatever line has a key symbol on it
[13:47:57] <manjaro-web|4951> yes key symbol
[13:48:07] <zero-ghost> right click -> unmount
[13:48:21] <Jeannie> Yes, xwayland is xorg sitting on top of wayland. That's what I call progress, two display servers instead of one.
[13:48:26] <negen> x is still working though
[13:48:27] <manjaro-web|4951> yes
[13:48:29] <tefter> heh
[13:48:35] <manjaro-web|4951> it works, thanks
[13:48:36] <negen> not sure why we need wayland
[13:48:40] <zero-ghost> no problem
[13:48:42] <tefter> i can't see performance degradation
[13:48:55] <tefter> i was really surpised positevely
[13:49:21] <tefter> only thing is that games require nvidia driver
[13:49:29] <day|flip> compostire <--- lazy don't want to search google
[13:49:29] <tefter> so games won't work
[13:49:33] <Jeannie> Wayland almost works....
[13:49:58] <day|flip> think compton
[13:50:05] <tefter> Well I have to use nvidia driver as Steam games don't work with nouveau
[13:50:05] <day|flip> clutter
[13:50:12] <Jeannie> Clutter, bah
[13:50:13] <day|flip> kwin
[13:50:21] <day|flip> compiz
[13:50:22] <negen> i do not game in linux
[13:50:43] <negen> but I think I want to test out shadow warrior 2
[13:50:45] <manjaro-web|4951> zero-ghost
[13:50:46] <zero-ghost> i do and its lovely
[13:50:48] <Jeannie> Compiz is not wayland compatible
[13:50:59] <zero-ghost> cant wait for shadow warrior 2 to come to linux
[13:51:04] <zero-ghost> will buy fast
[13:51:13] <tefter> i think that currently only Gnome works on Wayland
[13:51:30] <Jeannie> That's a problem
[13:51:45] <day|flip> Jeannie: the idea is wayland it going replace all of thoughs. since x11 suck at it. why they made wayland.
[13:51:55] <manjaro-web|4951> zero-ghost, I have to unmount when I format every usb flash ?
[13:52:01] <Jeannie> x11 has been working all the time
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[13:52:16] <Jeannie> Even in the time wayland was developed
[13:52:17] <zero-ghost> manjaro-web|4951: yes because when you plug a usb in manjaro automatically mounts it
[13:52:25] <tefter> Wayland is there to improve performance
[13:52:25] <zero-ghost> you cant format it while its mounted
[13:52:32] <Jeannie> And wayland stil needs it t rum  apps made for xorg
[13:52:35] <manjaro-web|4951> hmm, but ubuntu did not that
[13:52:44] <Jeannie> So why should I use wayland?
[13:52:49] <zero-ghost> different linux :-P
[13:52:50] <manjaro-web|4951> I formated every usb simply
[13:52:53] <negen> manjaro automounts now ?
[13:52:58] <tefter> from user perspective no need for Wayland
[13:53:03] <Jeannie> Indeed
[13:53:08] <manjaro-web|4951> yes, debian and arch linux :D
[13:53:08] <tefter> I have run it one day
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[13:53:09] <negen> that is nice i need to test out manjaro again
[13:53:16] <tefter> and can't see any advantage
[13:53:17] <negen> kinda do not like using gvfs
[13:53:38] <Jeannie> Non working color pickers or clipboard is an advantage
[13:53:45] <manjaro-web|4951> zero-ghost, where are you from ?
[13:54:00] <zero-ghost> i dont give out info ;)
[13:54:03] <zero-ghost> just help with manjaro
[13:54:45] <manjaro-web|4951> ok, I'm sorry :D
[13:55:07] <zero-ghost> np
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[13:55:25] <day|flip> idk. im from opensuse 11.0 :)
[13:58:20] <negen> I cannot decide where to vacation next amsterdam or singapore
[13:58:31] <negen> i never been to europe but been to asia a few times
[13:58:39] <snowcrash20> the dam
[13:58:52] <negen> never been to singapore but have had friends from there
[13:58:54] <[red]claw> amsterdam is a beautiful city imo, worth a vacatation to
[13:59:10] <negen> i think most of europe hates americans though
[13:59:19] <negen> kinda scared to go there
[13:59:27] <Jeannie> Amsterdam can be  kind of dangerous if you go to the wrong places
[13:59:40] <[red]claw> Jeannie: so is every major german city
[13:59:46] <Jeannie> Not really
[14:00:01] <negen> i would think that amerstam is not that dangerous
[14:00:09] <negen> maybe get robbed or something by a hooker or two
[14:00:15] <[red]claw> negen: can't speak for others but my surrounding is not really anti american people :)
[14:00:34] <Jeannie> Or get beaten up by a pot dealer cause you took a picture of him
[14:00:37] <snowcrash20> when i was in amsterdam last summer everyone was quite friendly
[14:00:56] <snowcrash20> dutch tend to be very direct which can come off as rude but they are just seeking clarity most of the time
[14:01:17] <negen> do pot dealers even care if their pictures are taken in amsterdam ?
[14:01:45] <snowcrash20> ehh
[14:01:46] <[red]claw> negen: afaik, cannabis and such can only be sold in coffee shops to people with an NL pass
[14:01:59] <[red]claw> so it's still illegal i think, so yes they would care i guess
[14:02:00] <snowcrash20> anyone can buy it in the coffeeshops
[14:02:08] <snowcrash20> dont need a pass
[14:02:10] <Jeannie> Now we're getting coser to the point of taking pictures of pot dealers
[14:02:13] <[red]claw> snowcrash20: really? thought i read something about that some time ago
[14:02:14] <snowcrash20> at leats not in amsterdam
[14:02:14] <negen> what is a NL pass ?
[14:02:21] <[red]claw> negen: dutch ID
[14:02:26] <[red]claw> but i guess i'm wrong
[14:02:29] <Jeannie> NL, the NeatherLands
[14:02:42] <snowcrash20> it differs city to city but the mayor of amsterdam decided to keep it open for tourism
[14:02:51] <[red]claw> snowcrash20: ah, thanks for clarification
[14:02:57] <negen> that makes little to no sense since pot is one of the main tourist attractions of amsterdam
[14:03:38] <day|flip> is there a pot day in spain?
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[14:03:58] <negen> i would like to go to prauge as well one day
[14:04:01] <snowcrash20> yeah its great, lots of vegan places to eat too. had a great time, covered a lot of ground. didn't partket in any party substances because we werent there long enough
[14:04:07] <snowcrash20> omg prague is tops
[14:04:17] <negen> really ?
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[14:04:21] <snowcrash20> yee
[14:04:39] <snowcrash20> beautiful city
[14:04:40] <negen> i never hear much good things about prague
[14:04:54] <[red]claw>  negen have you visited vienna some time?
[14:04:54] <Jeannie> It's really beautiful, that's true
[14:04:56] <snowcrash20> amentities are a little rough but if you like to yravel you cna prob cope
[14:05:16] <snowcrash20> the vibe was great though, and the beer, cheaper than water
[14:05:30] <Jeannie> Real Budweiser ftw
[14:05:35] <negen> never been to europe at all
[14:05:45] <[red]claw> negen: well, then you should make a list :P
[14:06:01] <Jeannie> Copenhagen ist interresting too
[14:06:07] <[red]claw> antiamericanism is not really something you should be scared about, atleast in germany
[14:06:17] <negen> well ringo owes me a beer and probably a bj
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[14:06:28] <Jeannie> Trump refugees are welcome here in germany ;-)
[14:06:35] <[red]claw> start talking about the devil ringo :P
[14:06:39] <day|flip> i really don't like budweiser. unless this is defferent from the US brand. Jeannie?
[14:06:42] <negen> france dont want them any more it looks like
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[14:07:01] <Jeannie> True czech Budweiser is  200% different from US Bud
[14:07:07] <negen> i think people should give the regugees guns and tanks and tell them to take back their own country
[14:07:20] <Jeannie> No guns in europe
[14:07:25] <[red]claw> negen: think about who armed the militants in the middle east in first place.
[14:07:30] <day|flip> Jeannie: ok thanks. czech will sound good
[14:07:34] <snowcrash20> czech budweisser is great, you can drink it all day and not get crazy tired like with american beer
[14:07:44] <[red]claw> geopolitics are way too complex to reduce it to give them guns and let them fight
[14:07:55] <negen> probably anerican chiniese and russian arms dealers
[14:07:55] <[red]claw> But this is not a political channel afaik :)
[14:08:20] <day|flip> I hate main brand USA beer. i like getting off brand home brew stuff. 99% of the time
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[14:08:54] <negen> what about vietnamese heinikan
[14:08:56] <Jeannie> http://www.budvar.cz/en/our-beer
[14:08:57] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/iBSY4G] Our beer | Budvar.cz
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[14:11:13] <snowcrash20> alright, so i reinstalled
[14:11:45] <snowcrash20> the wireless is working again
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[14:12:08] <snowcrash20> i suppose i can just have my SO use the machine without updates for a few months...?
[14:12:23] <Jeannie> That should be no big problem
[14:12:50] <day|flip> Jeannie: thanks for that link. omg I want that dark beer
[14:13:10] <Jeannie> Then come to europe ;-)
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[14:13:16] <day|flip> V.V
[14:13:18] <snowcrash20> shutdown -r now still gives occasional hang though
[14:13:22] <day|flip> i'm poor
[14:13:31] <day|flip> why else do i used linux
[14:13:35] <[red]claw> day|flip: lel
[14:13:38] <Jeannie> Hehe
[14:13:42] <[red]claw> argument never gets old :P
[14:13:48] <day|flip> :)
[14:14:10] <Jeannie> I don't use linux  because it doesn't cost any money
[14:14:12] <day|flip> but ya. I like dark beer.
[14:14:47] <snowcrash20> http://i.imgur.com/GKc6YhR.jpg
[14:14:48] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/TQsFNe] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
[14:14:48] <[red]claw> i use linux because i think every OS sucks. BSD and Linux just sucks less than other OS
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[14:15:08] <[red]claw> snowcrash20: lol :D
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[14:15:18] <day|flip> [red]claw: it hard to used bsd as a desktop os
[14:15:25] <Joseph> snowcrash20: try the systemctl version, "sudo systemctl reboot"
[14:15:54] <day|flip> lol that funny snowcrash20
[14:16:14] <[red]claw> day|flip: tbh, haven't tried yet. I have bsd compatible thinkpads but i mostly use it as an OS to play around with, i like the ports
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[14:17:05] <day|flip> i got intel nuc 6gen. but from what i seen. they(bsd) been having issue trying to get skylake working good
[14:17:22] <[red]claw> day|flip: yes, afaik freebsd is not supporting skylake yet
[14:17:48] <[red]claw> my T430 with ivy bridge is full supported
[14:17:55] <day|flip> i thought dragonflybsd was working on it. not sure about openbsd
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[14:21:57] <[red]claw> day|flip: haven't really tried any other bsd than freebsd
[14:22:03] <snowcrash20> any advice on how to disable octopi updates noti;s?
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[14:22:21] <LinuxNewbie> hello everybody!
[14:22:24] <[red]claw> hola LinuxNewbie
[14:23:07] <Jeannie> You could remove octopi-notifier from the list of autostart packages, snowcrash20
[14:23:32] <LinuxNewbie> need little help: i'm trying to remove case sensitive option so can navigate through folders in terminal without bother too much... googleing i found i nede to add "set completion-ignore-case On" into inputrc file
[14:23:50] <LinuxNewbie> but i can't find out how to force reload it without restart
[14:23:53] <day|flip> [red]claw: i have tired dragonfly. but my nvidia was meh. like really. they only had "nv" driver for support. that really old. had a square 4:3.... omg it been long time since i had such a thing
[14:24:23] <[red]claw> day|flip: still use an 5:4 on all my pc's, don't have the money rn to spend on a better monitor :P
[14:24:48] <[red]claw> day|flip: yeah, all my machines only have intel, so i don't have problems (and also not much power) :P
[14:24:49] <LinuxNewbie> or am i on wrong approach?
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[14:25:53] <tefter> i have trueos and openindiana in virtualbox
[14:26:05] <tefter> trueos is freebsd desktop version
[14:27:45] <tefter> they switched to openrc recently and greatly improved boot time
[14:27:45] <snowcrash20> hmm well
[14:28:07] <snowcrash20> launching nvidia x server still causes a crash @_@
[14:29:01] <snowcrash20> maybe it wasn't the updates but the stalled update process that borked everything, guess i can give it a shot
[14:29:13] <snowcrash20> try updating again, worst case scenario i reinstall once more
[14:29:57] <Jeannie> Update via terminal, so you can see what's going on
[14:30:09] <day|flip> tefter: i made a post in the offtopic forum about them switch to openrc
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[14:30:41] <Jeannie> first run sudo pacman-mirrors -g, followed by sudo pacman -Syyu, snowcrash20
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[14:31:05] <Joseph> LinuxNewbie: http://superuser.com/questions/90196/case-insensitive-tab-completion-in-bash
[14:31:06] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/tEnXj0] macos - Case insensitive tab completion in Bash - Super User
[14:31:19] <Joseph> oh no, wait. That's OSX
[14:31:46] <tefter> heh
[14:31:53] <day|flip> good night all it like late. really late. 630am im going to sleep know that i have a little of my fun
[14:32:05] <tefter> here 14:31
[14:32:08] <Joseph> LinuxNewbie: try http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10024123/tweaking-bash-cd-and-tab-completion-to-recognize-spelling-mistakes
[14:32:09] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/05bgX7] autocomplete - Tweaking Bash 'cd' and TAB completion to recognize spelling mistakes - Stack Overflow
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[14:32:19] <Joseph> LinuxNewbie: Same as before, more or less, but with an additional .bashrc option
[14:32:20] <day|flip> ahh 230 ok
[14:32:28] <Joseph> so that it's limited to your user.
[14:32:32] <day|flip> good night and take care all
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[14:32:55] <LinuxNewbie> thx goign to read
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[14:35:38] <snowcrash20> oo boy now this is much better to watch
[14:35:44] <LinuxNewbie> Joseph: one of the links give 2 methods, 1 editing inputrc and one editing .bashrc.. doesn't explain difference though.. could you?
[14:35:45] <snowcrash20> cli ux ftw
[14:35:53] <Joseph> LinuxNewbie: it does. Read all of it
[14:36:03] <Joseph> LinuxNewbie: "inputrc is used by shells that make use of readline like bash, dash and zsh (as opposed to ksh, tcsh, etc.). If you want to affect the behaviour of all your shells (not only bash), you need to edit inputrc. You can also locally edit ~/.inputrc so you don't have to make changes in the global /etc/inputrc. .Otherwise, great answer!"
[14:36:17] <Joseph> LinuxNewbie: That's the comment in the answer, by "mak"
[14:36:58] <Joseph> Basically, if you use the inputrc, not only bash will be configured to do it, but all shells that use readline to do tab completion (dash and zsh, but not korn shell or tcsh)
[14:37:05] <snowcrash20> *glorious*
[14:37:06] <LinuxNewbie> oh sorry, i jumped to the green ticked answer :P
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[14:38:55] <LinuxNewbie> guess it's not possible to disable case sensitive option for folder navigation only: all or nothing
[14:39:14] <Joseph> oh, you wanted folder navigation only and not also for files?
[14:39:16] <Joseph> Hm
[14:39:22] <Joseph> I don't know if that's possible...?
[14:39:27] <LinuxNewbie> honestly seems hard that someone has "data" and also "Data" fodlers
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[14:39:55] <[red]claw> LinuxNewbie: what you can do is try out zsh and something like oh-my-zsh, tab completion let you choose case-insensitive
[14:39:57] <LinuxNewbie> it's just about that i'm fien woth case sensitive commands
[14:40:01] <snowcrash20> very nice, was able to update with no problem. hopefully i can do a nice clean restart now and all will still be well
[14:40:11] <[red]claw> so if you type da it still completes data and Data
[14:40:28] <Joseph> [red]claw: yes, but only for files, or folders, separately?
[14:40:37] <Joseph> [red]claw: that is what LinuxNewbie apparently wants
[14:40:52] <LinuxNewbie> yep
[14:40:57] <LinuxNewbie> not big problem tbh
[14:40:59] <[red]claw> Joseph: well, don't think that is possible
[14:40:59] <LinuxNewbie> once u know
[14:41:08] <Joseph> [red]claw: yeah, figured
[14:41:18] <[red]claw> Interesting problem though
[14:41:20] <Joseph> Yeah it is
[14:41:32] <Joseph> hm, now am I curious how one would implement that without modifying readline's own code
[14:41:43] <LinuxNewbie> eheh i'm always very good at finding myself troubles :D
[14:42:07] <[red]claw> LinuxNewbie: i wish i would be good at this, so i could find more ideas to code on :P
[14:42:37] <LinuxNewbie> lol
[14:42:51] <Joseph> https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html#Programmable-Completion
[14:42:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/JW9qjI] Bash Reference Manual
[14:42:58] <Joseph> It seems it may be possible to use a bash script to do it
[14:43:05] <Joseph> and use some form of regular expression or globbing
[14:43:23] <LinuxNewbie> that's arabic for me :D
[14:44:30] <LinuxNewbie> maybe you can also help me with smth else....
[14:44:44] <LinuxNewbie> i have gtx1060 with nvidia drivers with 2x 24" monitors
[14:44:48] <LinuxNewbie> that works fine
[14:45:11] <LinuxNewbie> and an ancient 15" flat on integrated intel vga port
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[14:45:22] <LinuxNewbie> that stays black
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[14:45:45] <LinuxNewbie> even if bios has integrated graphics enabled and intel drivers are installed
[14:45:57] <LinuxNewbie> any idea?
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[14:47:10] <Joseph> Try running "xrandr" and see how many outputs you get, that should tell you how much stuff you can plug in at the same time
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[14:49:37] <NanoSector> LinuxNewbie: that won't work
[14:49:56] <LinuxNewbie> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23925306/
[14:49:58] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bhrjxJ] Ubuntu Pastebin
[14:50:02] <LinuxNewbie> not possible?
[14:50:04] <NanoSector> not only because you'd need two Xorg instances, but the proprietary nvidia drivers also replace Mesa, which is needed for 3d acceleration
[14:50:21] <NanoSector> and most desktop environments rely on some kind of acceleration
[14:50:36] <LinuxNewbie> ah so linux denies this :(
[14:50:51] <LinuxNewbie> was hoping it would work just like on windows
[14:50:57] <NanoSector> nope, sorry :(
[14:51:15] <LinuxNewbie> if i'd buy an adapter and plug into gtx it will work insteead right?
[14:51:41] <NanoSector> anything you plug in to your NVIDIA will work
[14:51:56] <LinuxNewbie> not sure if worth though :P
[14:51:59] <LinuxNewbie> thx a lot
[14:52:14] <NanoSector> no problem :)
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[14:56:33] <crzyp3ck> hello
[14:56:42] <NanoSector> hi
[14:56:49] <LinuxNewbie> well considering price of used flat monitors i'd better buy a ne one with dvi-d link lol
[14:56:51] <crzyp3ck> I am looking for the budgie version?
[14:56:52] <LinuxNewbie> O/
[14:57:01] <crzyp3ck> but idn the latest!
[14:57:14] <crzyp3ck> NanoSector, LinuxNewbie hi back o/
[14:57:33] <NanoSector> LinuxNewbie: is it a VGA monitor? if so you can just buy a dvi -> vga adapter, those are always useful anyway
[14:57:52] <NanoSector> crzyp3ck: hmm let me see
[14:58:18] <NanoSector> crzyp3ck: here you are: https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarolinux-community/files/release/16.10/budgie/
[14:58:21] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/uyzLlO] manjarolinux-community -  Browse /release/16.10/budgie at SourceForge.net
[14:59:16] <LinuxNewbie> will see but this monitor has at least 15 years.... no idea how long it wil last.... plus active dvi to vga adapter aren't cheap here.... about 20-35 euros :S
[14:59:52] <NanoSector> wut
[14:59:53] <NanoSector> http://www.computerhope.com/issues/pictures/dvi-to-vga.jpg
[14:59:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/QLZVVy] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
[14:59:55] <NanoSector> those are like €4
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[15:00:22] <LinuxNewbie> didn't foudn any here for so few bucks
[15:00:31] <NanoSector> happen to be in the NL?
[15:00:32] <LinuxNewbie> looking on amazon now
[15:00:43] <LinuxNewbie> italy
[15:00:53] <NanoSector> ah
[15:00:54] <NanoSector> https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/335926/club-3d-dvi-to-vga-adapter.html
[15:00:56] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/w6rFQZ] Club 3D DVI to VGA adapter - Prijzen - Tweakers
[15:00:58] <NanoSector> anyway
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[15:01:18] <NanoSector> shipping one costs about as much as the thing itself so might be worth to drive over to a local hardware store
[15:01:58] <LinuxNewbie> eheh defo :)
[15:02:02] <LinuxNewbie> but thx fro linking
[15:02:05] <crzyp3ck> NanoSector, thanks
[15:02:06] <LinuxNewbie> for*
[15:02:21] <Joseph> "about 20-35 euros :S"
[15:02:22] <Joseph> Uh
[15:02:24] <Joseph> Where do you live?
[15:02:36] <Joseph> Where in Italy I mean
[15:03:08] <Joseph> Because that price is absolutely nonsensical
[15:03:18] <Joseph> I can go down to a hardware store here and pick one up for uh 5 euros
[15:03:45] <LinuxNewbie> in stores is that, i alredy looked before discovering windows allowed double graphics
[15:04:22] <LinuxNewbie> italy is always a world apart trust me :P
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[16:28:42] <gawd> Ahoy !!
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[16:37:49] <gawd> La la la !!
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[16:47:20] <realmist> hi
[16:47:32] <realmist> in thunderbird how do I delete an account ??
[16:47:43] <realmist> which is the channel for query like these?
[16:48:07] <mtn_> realmist: go to the accounts settings, should be easy to remove an account
[16:48:10] <NanoSector> maybe #thunderbird exists
[16:48:33] <realmist> mtn_: account settings in whcihc tab?
[16:48:55] <mtn_> realmist: do you know how to find preferences/settings?
[16:49:00] <realmist> ok
[16:49:13] <realmist> and then where to delte an account ?
[16:49:35] <mtn_> realmist: is that a yes or a no?
[16:51:08] <realmist> yes
[16:51:14] <realmist> how do I delete all the accounts
[16:51:17] <realmist> An account with this name already exists. Please enter a different account name
[16:51:52] <mtn_> realmist: Preferences, Accounts. pretty simple ;)
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[16:54:19] <realmist> no lol there is no option to del the account
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[16:54:30] <realmist> in either preferences or account seettigs
[16:54:46] <NanoSector> https://support.mozilla.org/nl/questions/1026691
[16:54:49] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/RjveHD] How do I delete an e-mail account? | Thunderbird-ondersteuningsforum | Mozilla Support
[16:54:52] <mtn_> realmist: yes there is. dropdown menu--Account actions
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[16:59:18] <realmist> ok and when i choose pop or imap ?
[16:59:40] <realmist> pop is for store on computer vs imaop something like that, which shall I choose and why?
[17:00:07] <mtn_> realmist: do you know you can research basic computer info using a search engine?
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[17:00:48] <realmist> how
[17:00:58] <Joseph> ...?
[17:01:01] <Joseph> Is that a serious question?
[17:01:07] <mtn_> haha
[17:01:19] <Joseph> realmist: what mtn_ is trying to say is that you can use Google or some other search engine of your choice to do some research
[17:01:24] <realmist> ok I got the results in the search bar, they help thx
[17:01:39] <realmist> I don't use google, I use ddg
[17:01:48] <Joseph> Same difference, whatever search engine you want
[17:01:51] <realmist> google is for beginners and noobs
[17:02:12] <Joseph> And going to support channels and asking basic questions you can easily figure out for yourself is not?
[17:02:13] <realmist> It's not the same, if I needed google I'd rather use startpage.com
[17:02:27] <mtn_> oh boy
[17:02:51] <realmist> I am privacy conscious unlike you Joseph
[17:02:56] <Joseph> Are you insane?!
[17:03:00] <Joseph> Dude. /whois me
[17:03:01] <Joseph> I AM ON TOR
[17:03:13] <Joseph> Don't lecture me on privacy.
[17:03:21] <realmist> yeah, and google will fuck you real badly
[17:03:44] <realmist> even if you use vpn over google
[17:03:53] <realmist> I don't think you google on tor
[17:04:00] <realmist> it's too slow
[17:04:17] <realmist> we should use ddg instead, or if you want google use startpage.com
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[17:04:42] <realmist> Everyone says google it nowadays even on irc obviously
[17:04:51] <realmist> ddg it not google it
[17:04:54] <realmist> nooobs
[17:04:59] <Joseph> You can stop ranting now.
[17:05:04] <mtn_> please
[17:05:24] <realmist> ok bye
[17:05:39] <Joseph> \o
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[17:07:07] <realmist> wait a sec, my mail it loads from old to new, and takes a lot of time to load 200 emails? all of them are old
[17:07:38] <realmist> the newest one it loads last and takes a lot of time, as it is reverse loading the mails ? that's so weirs
[17:07:40] <realmist> weird
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[17:43:24] <BugzBunny> awww
[17:43:31] <BugzBunny> I could have joined in :)
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[17:47:31] <[red]claw> reminds me
[17:47:36] <[red]claw> have to change to startpage
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[17:47:59] <[red]claw> accidentally deleted my backups and now i had to create a new firefox profile :/
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[18:11:18] <BugzBunny> [red]claw, Firefox Sync ftw
[18:11:21] <BugzBunny> :)
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[19:04:05] <weoli> hi
[19:04:22] <weoli> once I open librewriter, how do i open back hte libreoffice suite ?
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[19:12:36] <twtduck> weoli: File -> Close
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[19:14:36] <twtduck> The libreoffice start screen is only available when there aren't any open files. If you're looking to open a recent file, or create a new document, there are menus in the File menu for both of those.
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[19:15:49] <twtduck> Also, if you wish to create a new document using a template, you can do so with File -> New -> Templates
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[19:58:34] <TheGoose_> How can I search for packages in the Manjaro repos like you can in AUR?
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[19:58:56] <[red]claw> BugzBunny: yeah, definitely have to setup a firefox sync instance on my vserver
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[19:59:10] <BugzBunny> :)
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[20:01:35] <mtn_> TheGoose_: use file manager or pacman
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[20:02:53] <TheGoose_> mtn_: thats what ive been doing
[20:03:15] <TheGoose_> i just didnt know if there was a way like AUR on a website
[20:03:17] <mtn_> TheGoose_: it doesn't work for you?
[20:03:37] <mtn_> TheGoose_: oh, a website. I am not sure manjaro has a package website
[20:03:42] <TheGoose_>  oh no it does, just harder to find some stuff sometimes
[20:04:18] <TheGoose_> Ok just checking. Is KDE Plasma 5.9 on Manjaro repos yet?
[20:04:46] <mtn_> TheGoose_: are you using manjaro?
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[20:05:29] <TheGoose_> mtn_: yeah
[20:05:36] <mtn_> TheGoose_: use file manager or pacman
[20:05:49] <TheGoose_> what command do you use exactly?
[20:05:50] <mtn_> TheGoose_: sorry, package manager. can't type ;)
[20:05:55] <sandydandy> Hi, when I connect two monitors, the monitor to the left is always the primary, no matter what I configure in Settings->Dislpay->Primary Monitor
[20:06:04] <mtn_> TheGoose_: pacman -Ss filename
[20:06:26] <mtn_> TheGoose_: man pacman is helpful and the wiki has a pacman section, too
[20:06:36] <TheGoose_> okay cool. makimg sure ive been doing tbe right thing.
[20:06:39] <sandydandy> Help, I want the monitor to the right to be the primary display
[20:06:56] <TheGoose_> sandydandy: lemme hop onto pc and ill try to help
[20:07:09] <TheGoose_> SSHd on phone atm
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[20:08:08] <sandydandy> BTW, not physically to the left, but to the left as selected in Settings->Display
[20:08:15] <TheGoose_> sandydandy: What DE?
[20:08:29] <sandydandy> Xfce, the default as installed
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[20:09:24] <TheGoose_> sandydandy: do you have nvidia?
[20:09:59] <sandydandy> not sure, built in graphics, how can I tell?
[20:10:10] <TheGoose_> sandydandy: Do you have an Nvidia GPU in your system?
[20:10:30] <sandydandy> Don't know, what can I run to find out?
[20:10:46] <TheGoose_> lspci should do it
[20:10:56] <TheGoose_> YOull have a list, and one would be Nvidia
[20:11:20] <TheGoose_> For the VGA/DVI controller
[20:11:31] <sandydandy> Intel Series 4
[20:11:36] <mtn_> inxi -Gx is a handy tool for graphics info
[20:11:44] <TheGoose_> Ah thanks TIL
[20:11:54] <TheGoose_> Oh damn that is nice
[20:12:40] <mtn_> try: inxi -Fxxrz
[20:12:50] <TheGoose_> sandydandy: Couldnt you just turn off the secondary, apply, then turn on the other one. That should switch em
[20:13:03] <sandydandy> I'll try
[20:13:08] <TheGoose_> mtn_: OH MAN
[20:13:14] <mtn_> :)
[20:13:17] <TheGoose_> That is a handy command
[20:13:21] <BugzBunny> Depending on DE, the display that get's primary is the one the mouse is on
[20:13:49] <BugzBunny> Other DEs, you can go to <whateveryourscreenappis> and select the display you want to be primary
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[20:14:07] <TheGoose_> BugzBunny: Yeah, his just wasnt wanting to set when he chose it
[20:14:35] <BugzBunny> Lastly, you can set primary display via xrandr. But keep in mind, some applications don't respect the primary setting and open in whatever screen they wnat
[20:15:07] <sandydandy> yeah, I'd just like the menu bar to be on the monitor to the right
[20:15:08] <BugzBunny> TheGoose_, I guess :-p
[20:15:23] <BugzBunny> What DE do you have?
[20:15:35] <BugzBunny> KDE, XFCE, Gnome, LXQT?
[20:15:36] <TheGoose_> sandydandy: You should be able to configure the panel/menu bar by right clicking id imagine
[20:15:41] <TheGoose_> I dont use XFCE though o
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[20:15:53] <TheGoose_> He's on XFCE
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[20:16:37] <sandydandy> Doesn't work by any setting in Settings->Display
[20:16:44] <sandydandy> Alternate method?
[20:16:56] <BugzBunny> oO, it's XFCE, I don't know, but search for whatever screen app in the menu for XFCE.. DE's typically move the menu bar to the primary screen, alterantively you could move panel via right click, but you might often find yourself launching applications onto the wrong screen
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[20:17:19] <BugzBunny> sandydandy, Did you click apply, save? and relogin ?
[20:17:24] <TheGoose_> sandydandy: I've seen people having success with this https://christian.amsuess.com/tools/arandr/
[20:17:25] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/NgkAAJ] ARandR: Another XRandR GUI
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[20:17:53] <sandydandy> yes, have not even rebooting
[20:18:04] <sandydandy> that is, even rebooting
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[20:18:05] <BugzBunny> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/display
[20:18:06] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/GPK7Bg] xfce:xfce4-settings:display [Xfce Docs]
[20:18:47] <sandydandy> BugzBunny, yes, that's what I'm doing, and it doesn't work.
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[20:19:10] <BugzBunny> What does xrandr say?
[20:19:20] <BugzBunny> pastebin
[20:19:22] <BugzBunny> !pastebin
[20:19:22] <Botergos> Please use a pastebin service for large files. Common pastebins include http://hastebin.com/, http://ptpb.pw/, http://pastebin.com/
[20:20:26] <TheGoose_> Yeah check out what xrandr says, and then you can use the arandr link I posted to try and configure it using that
[20:20:32] <TheGoose_> A GUI would be easier to work with
[20:22:05] <sandydandy> I know what pastebin is, but not sure how to use it. Is link http://pastebin.com/JScAS9Bs good?
[20:22:06] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Bwn4tV] Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 2720 x 1024, maximum 32767 x 32767  DP1 disconn - Pastebin.com
[20:22:17] <TheGoose_> sandydandy: Yep!
[20:22:38] <TheGoose_> So you want VAG1 to be primary?
[20:22:56] <sandydandy> no, HDMI1
[20:23:18] <sandydandy> xrandr seems to be saying HDMI1 is primary, but it is not
[20:23:32] <sandydandy> menu bar is on VGA1
[20:23:49] <TheGoose_> You can't configure the menu bar by right clicking and move it?
[20:24:20] <TheGoose_> That's how other DE's have done it in my experience
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[20:25:58] <sandydandy> I have done Panel->Unlock, the right click on menu bar, get a "hand" for a mouse cursor, but won't "grab" menu bar or move it
[20:26:17] <TheGoose_> sandydandy: Can you create a new menu bar? Is that possible in xfce?
[20:27:19] <TheGoose_> Id try just making a new one on the other desktop if you could
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[20:29:36] <sandydandy> So far no success trying to add another panel, I'll keep trying a few more things
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[20:34:28] <sandydandy> Hey, I was able to move panel0 (the menu bar) to the HDMI1 monitor by Settings->Panel->Output->Monitor2
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[20:37:02] <BugzBunny> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/preferences
[20:37:03] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/tyQv67] xfce:xfce4-panel:preferences [Xfce Docs]
[20:37:40] <BugzBunny> Automatic would be preferrable, especially if this is a laptop, and you frequency disconnect Display2
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[20:38:01] <BugzBunny> frequently *
[20:38:37] <sandydandy> Desktop, I hope change stays after logout or reboot
[20:38:59] <sandydandy> brb, I'm going to try reboot
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[20:43:11] <sandydandy> Yup, it's fixed
[20:43:34] <sandydandy> Thanks for the help
[20:44:23] <TheGoose_> Awesome!
[20:46:32] <sandydandy> Later...
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[22:44:19] <Eromenos> Hi gang
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[22:46:32] <Eromenos> i accidentally wiped a harddrive using dd. i cancelled the process once i noticed so i think most of my data is recoverable, but the mbr and partiton table has gone. what tool can i use to recover the data?
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[22:47:27] <powerofm> ooooh snap, I remember doing that once... good luck my friend.
[22:47:38] <Eromenos> hah, thanks
[22:47:46] <rhg135> uhh, yeah gl
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[22:48:11] <rhg135> might need to get down and dirty with raw access
[22:48:40] <Eromenos> this happened a while ago and i remember running a tool which found a whole load of files. but i had no disk spare big enough to copy everything to
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[22:49:03] <Eromenos> now i have the disk but i've forgotten how to do it again lol
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[22:49:58] <rhg135> idk, it seems that you need the fs metadata to know what's what
[22:50:06] <themagmaforce> I've installed the proprietary version of Nvidia with bumblebee trough the manjaro hardware driver manager and now I get an error when I boot "failed to mount boot/efi"
[22:50:17] <rhg135> but maybe ext4 keeps it spread out
[22:50:49] <themagmaforce> If o try to mount manually I get "unknown file type vfat"
[22:51:38] <Eromenos> there is definately some command line tool that can find the files as i ran one on the drive... last year lol
[22:52:18] <Eromenos> any idea on tools that do this, rhg135 ?
[22:52:31] <rhg135> well, if the partiton is there sure
[22:52:39] <rhg135> as for tools, none
[22:53:07] <rhg135> usually when I mess up with dd, I totally wipe it
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[22:54:29] <Eromenos> htere is definately something that can help me
[22:54:47] <rhg135> yeah just I don't know
[22:54:49] <Eromenos> do you know of any recovery tools?
[22:54:58] <Eromenos> oh, lol. sorry
[22:55:40] <rhg135> np, sounds reasonable ext4 is pretty nice
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[22:56:21] <Eromenos> powerofm, did you use some tool to solve your situation?
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[22:57:44] <powerofm> uh, I think my drive was gpt, so I just tried running fdsk several times to try and repair it
[22:57:56] <Eromenos> i see
[22:58:03] <powerofm> sadly I didn't notice the damage until it was too late, and I made the stupid mistake of doing a normal shutdown
[22:58:10] <Eromenos> eep
[22:58:16] <powerofm> so I lost everything in the first 2 paritions
[22:58:25] <Eromenos> oh man that sucks
[22:58:51] <powerofm> I think I was able to recover a a windows parition that was further down, but it was mostly empty lol
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[23:09:53] <BugzBunny> U think the GPT saves backups and different spots on the disk
[23:10:10] <BugzBunny> There is ddrescue that can search, but tbh, I don't know how to use it :)
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[23:10:18] <BugzBunny> s/U/I/
[23:10:27] <BugzBunny> s/and/at/
[23:10:36] <Eromenos> ty BugzBunny
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[23:11:52] <BugzBunny> np
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[23:25:08] <PMunch> Hmm, I'm getting some weird behaviour when connecting some new Arduino boards
[23:25:16] <PMunch> dmesg just reports this http://ix.io/1RZA
[23:25:18] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/8UCauT] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
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[23:27:17] <Eromenos> hi rhg135 , BugzBunny : i have found the utility i used before, it is called testdisk
[23:28:17] <karenmcd>  Hello again room! Q: Is it possible to create a ramdisk that can later be turned into a pagefile for wine? I've found a few links on Archwiki, but 1) im confused as to how to make a ramdisk, and 2, I'm not sure how i'd allow it to be mounted by wine.
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[23:29:04] <rhg135> cool, Eromenos
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[23:32:11] <PMunch> karenmcd, a ramdisk can be easily created by adding a disk to fdisk
[23:32:59] <PMunch> That would allow you to set a mountpoint and if you set the filesystem as tmpfs it will automatically mount in RAM
[23:33:10] <PMunch> Not sure about wine though
[23:33:24] <PMunch> But since it appear just like any other directory it should be possible
[23:33:58] <karenmcd> can you point me in the write direction for how I would do that? I was having a hard time finding something specific to manjaro... or would arch wiki be a good guide for manjaro in this case as well?
[23:34:09] <karenmcd> write=right*
[23:34:24] <PMunch> Arch instructions should work just fine
[23:35:12] <PMunch> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tmpfs
[23:35:13] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Ae9ufN] tmpfs - ArchWiki
[23:35:32] <PMunch> Keep in mind though that everything in it would be deleted on reboot
[23:35:52] <karenmcd> okay, i'll do some reading and try and figure out how to make a filesystem in the ram (i'm confused by this tmpfs thing honestly)... but i should be able to mount the filesystem and then point winecfg 'page' file to that tmpfs i'm hoping
[23:37:18] <karenmcd> i'm trying to make use of the extra RAM i have (32gb) to allow my games to have more access to it... but WINE seems to have a 2gb app limit, give or take, even on 64 bit apps because it runs 32bit libraries... that is if i understand the documentation i've read so far
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[23:38:41] <karenmcd> I'm hoping that if wine is parking stuff into a page file, that if that page file is on the RAM, then it'll sorta give wine/starcraft II more access to physical resources.. but maybe i'm just a dreamer
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[23:40:41] <powerofm> Yea, wine is 32bit only, so that's why there's a 2gb cap.
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[23:44:38] <d42> then why not 4gb :^)
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[23:45:54] <powerofm> oh haha yea 4gb cap
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[23:46:13] <powerofm> wait, does wine64 exist?
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[23:46:43] <badbodh> why not ?
[23:47:01] <karenmcd> I'm not sure d42... from what I've read there's a conflict between the way the linux kernel addresses memory and windows does. 1 gb becomes un-available (upper) which limits the OS to 3 gb.. and most programs have a 2 gig cap
[23:47:24] <karenmcd> and by windows/OS there, i mean WINE
[23:48:29] <karenmcd> the problem is that the linuxkernel for security reasons does not store stuff in the same blocks all the time, making it more secure, but harder for WINE/windoze programs to access memory blocks easily
[23:48:34] <powerofm> wine wiki is super helpful: https://wiki.winehq.org/Wine64 :(
[23:48:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/q2x8q2] (link was unresponsive: https://wiki.winehq.org/Wine64)
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[23:50:34] <d42> karenmcd: someone on the internet mentioned that changing os in the winecfg to something newer than xp solved it, but dunno :^)
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[23:51:28] <karenmcd> i downloaded the 4gb patch so i could patch sc2 32bit app, but there's a 64 bit app that's already exists from blizzard/scII - So i've been running that with an occassional crash.. idk.. just sux cause i have 29 gigs doing nothing - ( d42 - i read that also in a wow thread from 2010-  it wen't from 2.1gigs to 2.24gigs ram when i changed it)
[23:51:46] <d42> kek
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[23:52:14] <d42> maybe it's just not that ram hungry :^)
[23:53:21] <karenmcd> http://www.ntcore.com/4gb_patch.php this could solve the 32bit app access to ram issue i guess.. and probably be more stable than trying to run the 64 bit SC2 app
[23:53:25] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/PB1Hpx] NTCore's Homepage
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[23:56:27] <karenmcd> i don't remember d42, i've been running SC2 on manjaro for about 6 months now, and i don't recall what the memory usage was like before on win764bit
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[23:58:12] <d42> why are you trying to do this exactly? :^)
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[23:59:53] <karenmcd> I play an arcade(community made map) game obsessively to escape the reality of this garbage world we live in, called 'desert strike' - it's a fun tug of war game - it spawns sometimes over 1000 units on the map, and i've got a solid setup that should run it without any framerate issues etc.. but...
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