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[00:41:40] <fallencl0ud> hello! I'm trying to boot a community release of Manjaro (i3) on my laptop (i5-6300HQ, GTX 960M) and it's hung up at "Reached target Graphical Interface."
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[00:44:02] <fallencl0ud> (also, what I've done so far: this is after setting nouveau, i915, and radeon modesets to 0
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[02:14:07] * manjaro dsaf
[02:14:12] <manjaro> asd
[02:14:40] <manjaro> morning?
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[02:20:23] <badbodh> morning
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[02:28:31] <Celmor> getting "Could not activate connection: Not authorized to control networking." when trying to activate a connection via network-manager
[02:28:34] <Celmor> (nmtui)
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[02:34:12] <powerofm> hey, could anyone help me with the manjaro installer? It doesn't seem to be recognizing the sda drive, even tho lsblk lists it.
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[02:35:27] <leo_rockway> greetings
[02:35:47] <powerofm> hello
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[02:38:35] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[02:40:58] <Celmor> powerofm, have you tried a different installer? if possible post a screenshot of the the installer listing your disks
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[03:09:10] <mzam4514> hi
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[03:09:50] <mzam4514> i install gnome i didnt like it how to remove it ?
[03:10:41] <badbodh> pacman -Rs gnome gnomwe-extras
[03:10:57] <badbodh> ^ typo alert
[03:11:24] <mzam4514> badbodh: you cannot perform this operation unless you are root.
[03:11:47] <badbodh> sudo, duh! and do review the packages it will remove.
[03:11:55] <mzam4514> im admin user what the heck
[03:12:05] <badbodh> includes common apps like calculator, evince and gedit too
[03:12:08] <Stuzz> You shouldn't be
[03:12:12] <badbodh> ^
[03:12:22] <Stuzz> So.. you probably aren't
[03:12:55] <mzam4514> lol im not sure im nowcamer in linux os
[03:13:02] <badbodh> or just open up /var/logs/pacman.log and see what were installed. remove them one at a time
[03:13:09] <leo_rockway> mzam4514: do you have root's password?
[03:13:35] <badbodh> mzam4514, let's start over. how did you install gnome ?
[03:13:36] <leo_rockway> alternatively, try the groups command
[03:13:51] <leo_rockway> badbodh: that's a good point, hehe.
[03:13:54] <badbodh> leo_rockway, let's wind back a bit for the newbie :)
[03:14:28] <mzam4514> sudo pacman -S gnome
[03:14:28] <mzam4514> sudo pacman -S gnome
[03:14:44] <badbodh> just replace -S with -Rs
[03:15:12] <mzam4514> and extra i mean
[03:15:23] <Stuzz> I'm surprised you didn't use pamac
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[03:16:29] <badbodh> mzam4514, now is a good time to run "man pacman" and rtfm
[03:17:08] <mzam4514> badbodh: what you mean?
[03:17:15] <badbodh> read the full manual
[03:17:37] <mzam4514> should i ?
[03:18:51] <badbodh> now is a good time as any
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[03:21:59] <mzam4514> lol where find manual i hate reading if that help my knowledge i will do it
[03:22:31] <badbodh> run in terminal "man pacman"
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[03:25:55] <mzam4514> holly that a lot
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[03:33:14] <mzam4514> So i did  : Sudo  pacman -Rs gnome gnome-extra then i log it to check if it remove it stull there
[03:35:14] <mzam4514> did i do somthing wronge xD
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[03:38:20] <mzam4514> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) what does it mean ? if im truing remove somthing ?
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[03:43:16] <mzam4514> need help to completly remove Gnome De
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[03:44:21] <powerofm> Have you already tried pacman -Rns gnome
[03:44:55] <mzam4514> yup didnt remove it
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[03:46:01] <powerofm> does it show an error?
[03:46:11] <mzam4514> powerofm:  but i notice error: failed to prepare transaction
[03:47:54] <powerofm> Is pacman working properly? like pacman -Sy?
[03:49:02] <powerofm> Also, could anyone help me with this issue: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/hdd-not-appearing-in-manjaro-installer/16918. Basically /dev/sda is not showing up in the installer but shows up in lsblk
[03:49:03] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Yv1dFk] (link was unresponsive: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/hdd-not-appearing-in-manjaro-installer/16918.)
[03:49:19] <mzam4514> powerofm: yeah no problem with pacman -Sy
[03:50:45] <powerofm> mzam4514: does it say "could not satisfy dependencies" when you tried to remove gnome?
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[03:51:15] <manjaroDeepin_> hi
[03:51:24] <powerofm> hello
[03:51:34] <mzam4514> powerofm:  yeah
[03:51:56] <manjaroDeepin_> can you help? how to install tools kali linux in manjaro.?
[03:52:37] <powerofm> mzam4514: you'll need to uninstall the things that have a gnome component as a dependency first.
[03:53:07] <mzam4514> powerofm:  you mean ?
[03:53:12] <powerofm> mzam4514: you can also try pacman -Rsc gnome
[03:53:41] <powerofm> mzam4514: That -Rsc is for: "To remove a package, its dependencies and all the packages that depend on the target package."
[03:53:52] <manjaroDeepin_> no, kali build based on debian. But how to install debian package in manjaro.?
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[03:54:54] <powerofm> manjaro
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[03:55:11] <powerofm> manjaroDeepin_: isn't kali a distribution?
[03:55:32] <powerofm> manjaroDeepin_: you can't install a distro inside another distro
[03:55:41] <powerofm> manjaroDeepin_: (unless you use a vm)
[03:56:06] <manjaroDeepin_> the application of kali
[03:56:33] <manjaroDeepin_> oh i found something
[03:56:35] <powerofm> if there is source code, you could always build it
[03:56:36] <manjaroDeepin_> blackarch
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[03:56:43] <manjaroDeepin_> thank you
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[03:58:04] <powerofm> blackarch looks cool, good luck!
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[03:59:35] <rumflump> is there a way to see all of the yaourt things that have failed to install in the past, so that I can retry them now with some different settings?
[03:59:36] <manjaro-kde5> n
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[03:59:58] <Osoolo> hi ?
[04:00:24] <manjaroDeepin_> yeah, i just try it
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[04:02:43] <Mzam4514> I removed gnome from my system now when I boot keep try in manjaro logo
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[04:03:08] <Mzam4514> Its like freez
[04:04:50] <Mzam4514> Any help
[04:05:28] <powerofm> Do you have another de installed?
[04:05:52] <Mzam4514> Xfce
[04:06:03] <powerofm> do you have a dm installed?
[04:06:05] <powerofm> like gdm?
[04:06:44] <Mzam4514> But when I removed gnome it froze so when I rebot my PC froze in manjaro
[04:07:24] <powerofm> Can you access the tty?
[04:07:48] <Mzam4514> Alt f2 and I got in term
[04:08:19] <Celmor> is pacman -Qh an arch exclusive thing?
[04:08:39] <powerofm> Mzam4514: ice, so you can login and check `journalctl -xb` to see what happened at boot to cause it to freeze
[04:08:53] <Osoolo> Hi can u see my message ?
[04:09:10] <Celmor> I can see your message
[04:09:12] <powerofm> yea
[04:09:17] <Osoolo> lol thank you
[04:09:31] <rhg135> yay for the Nth X not starting error
[04:09:48] <powerofm> X is fun
[04:10:11] <rhg135> I'm beginning to intensify my hatred for it
[04:10:16] <powerofm> relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/963/
[04:10:18] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/XLLkzz] xkcd: X11
[04:10:31] <Mzam4514> powerofm what O.o
[04:10:59] <powerofm> Mzam4514: what what?
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[04:11:45] <powerofm> Mzam4514: lol journalctl doesn't work? or has too much info?
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[04:12:34] <Mzam4514> powerofm what journalctl ?
[04:13:06] <powerofm> Mzam4514: ur in the tty right?
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[04:13:50] <Mzam4514> powerofm terminal ? Yes
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[04:15:23] <powerofm> Mzam4514: okay so typing journalctl -xb and scrolling near the bottom will show you what happened during boot, and probably have some hints as to why it froze
[04:16:33] <powerofm> does anyone know why the CLI installer for manjaro was depreciated? Is there an alternative?
[04:17:58] <rhg135> deprecated* and it was a thin wrapper over unsquashfs anyway
[04:18:12] <rhg135> there's calamares now...
[04:18:34] <powerofm> but calamares doesn't recognize one of my drives
[04:18:51] <Mzam4514> Powerofm I did that to much info
[04:20:21] <rhg135> powerofm: I think the reasoning was along the lines of it being too much effort to maintain two installers
[04:20:43] <rhg135> so they chose to focus on the more universal one
[04:21:37] <powerofm> makes sense, but this calamares bug is preventing my entire install
[04:22:00] <rhg135> but srsly the cli installer is a wrapper over unsquashfs
[04:22:40] <rhg135> it would extract a few squashes from the iso unto the new /
[04:22:51] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 can you help I think you have some knowledge
[04:23:04] <rhg135> I can try
[04:24:01] <Mzam4514> Well I removed gnome and my PC froze so I rebot my PC then keep loading in manjaro logo
[04:24:52] <rhg135> how did you remove gnome? and also do you have a gpu driver installed?
[04:25:09] <rhg135> you can check via `mhwd -li`
[04:25:50] <rhg135> sometimes pacman will think you no longer need, say, X
[04:26:42] <Mzam4514> Well I removed gnome  sudo pacman -Rcs gnome.  I think
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[04:30:09] <rhg135> and what does mhwd say? and what gpu do you have btw?
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[04:32:08] <dodgejcr> hrm, yeah probably removed X but the install should still be in-tact
[04:33:16] <Mzam4514> Mhwd says network-r8168 true PCI
[04:33:45] <rhg135> what gpu do you have then?
[04:33:57] <rhg135> seems you did kill X
[04:34:16] <Mzam4514> And video hybrid Intel at I bumblebee true PCI
[04:34:25] <Mzam4514> Intel HD
[04:35:17] <rhg135> eh, I suck with hybrid graphics but maybe try just reinstalling X? don't really know
[04:35:50] <Mzam4514> And says warning no installed USB configs
[04:36:34] <Mzam4514> Shill I reinstall manjaro?
[04:37:00] <Mzam4514> That sucks
[04:37:29] <powerofm> You don't need to re-install everything
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[04:37:51] <powerofm> rhg135 said reinstall the X server
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[04:38:16] <Mzam4514> Do I need live usb/DVD ?
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[04:39:10] <powerofm> you should be able to do it just from the terminal
[04:39:26] <Mzam4514> What command shill I run
[04:39:50] <powerofm> try pacman -S xorg-server
[04:40:53] <Mzam4514> Error no operation specified
[04:41:44] <Mzam4514> Lol I missed -S
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[04:42:08] <rhg135> well, I'm not sure. I know some drivers *cough* catalyst *cough* need an archaic X version
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[04:42:49] <powerofm> mzam said they had intel, so thankfully no catalyst
[04:43:57] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 powerofm sucks give me error
[04:44:14] <powerofm> what's the error?
[04:45:12] <Mzam4514> Failed to init transaction unable to lock database
[04:45:51] <powerofm> did you do sudo?
[04:46:08] <Mzam4514> Yeah
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[04:47:23] <Mzam4514> Should I say rip and reinstall the hole system
[04:47:40] <rhg135> powerofm: I was using that as an example, also I was thinking he had nvidia and they suck
[04:48:27] <rhg135> nah, Mzam4514, just need to work it out
[04:48:41] <rhg135> that's how you learn it best
[04:48:59] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 if you talking about me no I have amd Intel HD 6000
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[04:49:34] <rhg135> oh ok, I, for some reason, thought bumblebee was nvidia and intel
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[04:50:01] <rhg135> I still suck at hybrid gpu though
[04:50:11] <rhg135> never used one
[04:50:25] <powerofm> I think the issue Mzam4514 is having is when removing gnome, something else important was removed too
[04:50:28] <Mzam4514> Powerofm what command used to update and upgrade all
[04:50:41] <powerofm> it should be `sudo pacman -Syu`
[04:50:51] <powerofm> but idk why your pacman isn't working
[04:52:01] <rhg135> powerofm: well, he did reboot it during an upgrade
[04:52:13] <rhg135> just remove the lockfile
[04:52:19] <Mzam4514> Holly that gave me a lot of errors
[04:52:40] <powerofm> you rebooted during an upgrade? o.o
[04:52:52] <rhg135> err, an uninstall
[04:52:56] <Mzam4514> Ummm O.o
[04:52:56] <powerofm> that explains the errors lol
[04:53:01] <rhg135> my brain is elsewhere
[04:53:40] <powerofm> Mzam4514: try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/pacman#.22Failed_to_init_transaction_.28unable_to_lock_database.29.22_error
[04:53:41] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/61WFov] pacman - ArchWiki
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[04:54:37] <powerofm> so after you rm that lock file, try pacman -Syu again, and then try installing xorg-server again
[04:54:56] <rhg135> maybe he removed the dm by accident
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[04:55:21] <rhg135> I'm pretty sure mhwd explicitly marks the X server
[04:55:35] <rhg135> and pacman won't remove it then
[04:56:01] <Mzam4514> Powerofm rhg135 her says  if you sure a package manager is not already running you can remove /var/lib/pacman/db.lack
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[04:56:33] <rhg135> remove it, Mzam4514, that's just leftover trash
[04:56:45] <Mzam4514> How
[04:56:52] <rhg135> usually it gets cleaned, but reboot
[04:57:13] <rhg135> `rm /var/lib/pacman/db.lock`
[04:57:26] <rhg135> as root/with sudo ofc
[04:57:40] <powerofm> I think its /var/lib/pacman/db.lck
[04:57:46] <powerofm> no 'o' in lock
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[04:57:48] <rhg135> ah yes yes
[04:58:46] <rhg135> as for a good dm if you need one, I like sddm
[04:59:07] <powerofm> what does manjaro have by default?
[04:59:20] <rhg135> depends on the edition
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[04:59:31] <rhg135> the kde one uses sddm
[04:59:37] <Mzam4514> So what I think it habbend when I removed gnome I removed all DE
[04:59:41] <rhg135> xfce, lightdm iirc
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[05:00:11] <powerofm> yea it's lightdm
[05:00:42] <rhg135> but I might be biased. #qtftw
[05:01:34] <powerofm> Mzam4514: you should install lightdm (pacman -S lightdm)
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[05:01:41] <leo_rockway>  /me highfives rhg135
[05:01:45] <leo_rockway> oops
[05:01:47] * leo_rockway highfives rhg135
[05:02:00] <rhg135> it wasn't me!
[05:02:15] <Mzam4514> So I removed the db.lck
[05:02:17] <leo_rockway> rhg135 │ but I might be biased. #qtftw <-- Qt! :D
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[05:02:42] <Mzam4514> Then I run pacman -Syu
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[05:02:52] <rhg135> that, leo_rockway, is not opinion :D
[05:03:00] <Mzam4514> I got all up to date
[05:03:22] <rhg135> partly due to gtk making qt look so good these days
[05:03:39] <leo_rockway> rhg135: not these days. I've been using Qt since 1999.
[05:03:50] <rhg135> much better api
[05:04:07] <rhg135> means easier to write good apps with it
[05:05:03] <rhg135> and cross-platform
[05:05:21] <rhg135> qt is awesome from a programming view
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[05:05:59] <leo_rockway> I did some Py-Qt programming in the past. It was neat.
[05:06:09] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 powerofm I did install xorg-server
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[05:06:28] <powerofm> install lightdm now
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[05:06:45] <rhg135> the qt api is so thorough that even in c++ it isn't bad
[05:07:23] <Mzam4514> Sudo pacman  -S lightdm powerofm
[05:07:50] <rhg135> heh, lightdm
[05:08:00] <rhg135> also, install a greeter
[05:08:10] <rhg135> and configure said greeter
[05:08:50] <Mzam4514> What?
[05:09:26] <rhg135> lightdm-gtk-greeter is the default upstream, but I think manjaro has another one in the repos that imo looks better
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[05:10:18] <Mzam4514> I used to use xfce or something like that
[05:10:38] <powerofm> follow this: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Install_Display_Managers#LightDM
[05:10:39] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/WJPcDF] Install Display Managers - Manjaro Linux
[05:11:15] <rhg135> cool; the manjaro wiki is actually useful now
[05:11:34] <rhg135> it used to be so barren
[05:12:09] <powerofm> yea, I usually just refer to the arch wiki tho
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[05:13:47] <Mzam4514> Dam I install light DM and still the same I think I have to reed the wiki ha
[05:14:12] <powerofm> yea, there are other lightdm stuff you have to install and configure
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[05:14:43] <rhg135> hmm, I just found something to-do
[05:15:08] * rhg135 adds 'write wiki articles' to his to-do
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[05:15:37] <nalydmerc> Hi, I just installed Manjaro and I need some help setting up multi-monitor. :/
[05:16:35] <nalydmerc> I have two identical AMD R9 290 cards installed with open source drivers. mhwd says that drivers for both are installed correctly, and Manjaro Settings Manager shows both cards as identified and drivers installed. However, xrander only lists 1 provider.
[05:17:10] <powerofm> oh no X-related issues *hides*
[05:17:14] <rhg135> is X using both though?
[05:17:48] <rhg135> X, man, I can feel the, uh, pleasure
[05:17:51] <nalydmerc> Xfce? Only one monitor is on right now. The other two are plugged into the second graphics card.
[05:20:28] <rhg135> maybe mhwd is confusing X; tbh, I don't know how mhwd works really
[05:21:21] <rhg135> usually X does a decent job figuring out what to use on it's own as long as you install it
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[05:21:40] <nalydmerc> It's like mhwd identifies and understands there's a second graphics card, it's just not showing it to X.
[05:21:57] <nalydmerc> Also this is a completely fresh install, I haven't installed anything yet.
[05:22:48] * rhg135 needs to get better at words. I always jumble things up
[05:23:36] <rhg135> mhwd writes X config, but I mean it usually isn't needed and sometimes is counterproductive
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[05:24:26] <nalydmerc> Ah.
[05:24:33] <rhg135> but again, never used dual gpus on manjaro
[05:24:54] <rhg135> my old pc had two but I only used gentoo on it
[05:26:15] <nalydmerc> My eventual plan is to re-attempt a PCI passthrough windows VM for gaming. I attempted that on Arch and almost got there, but I have a hard time understanding how all of the X stuff and IOMMU stuff works.
[05:26:21] <rhg135> sometimes, I get a masochistic the urge to install arch.
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[05:26:34] <nalydmerc> Yea, it was painful...
[05:26:55] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 powerofm I gave up I Wii reinstall the hole system
[05:26:58] * BugzBunny highlights "counter productive"
[05:27:06] <rhg135> I can run arch fine, did for years, but effort
[05:27:20] * rhg135 is a lazy man
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[05:27:30] <rhg135> Mzam4514: but effort
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[05:27:52] <nalydmerc> Lol. Yea, I was running it for a while but got burned out.
[05:28:11] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 I did all I can do
[05:28:23] <rhg135> I prefer to channel that effort into other things
[05:28:52] <Mzam4514> I'm running my window s now to do live usb
[05:29:21] <rhg135> Mzam4514: eh, different means to an end; reinstalling works just, arguably, more hassle
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[05:30:48] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 yeah I know but my blood pressure went to the roof lol
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[05:31:21] <rhg135> nalydmerc: I don't think virtualbox supports pci passtrough, or did they add it recently?
[05:32:25] <nalydmerc> I was going to use kvm.
[05:32:26] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 did you try xfce ?
[05:32:44] <rhg135> not extensively, Mzam4514
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[05:32:59] <rhg135> I <3 plasma and i3 too much
[05:33:21] <nalydmerc> I got it working in arch to the point of installing the drivers onto Windows, but it kept crashing at that point.
[05:33:38] <rhg135> ah, I see, nalydmerc. I don't know why I assumed that
[05:33:49] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 I loved but the only thing I hate the folder manager
[05:34:27] <rhg135> dolphin is amazing, but different strokes
[05:34:43] <Mzam4514> Since I will reinstall the hole system what you recommend me
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[05:35:23] * rhg135 hands Mzam4514 a kde edition iso
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[05:35:55] <Mzam4514> Lol what
[05:36:02] <rhg135> I hear it actually uses less ram than the xfce edition but I'm not sure
[05:36:19] <rhg135> either way 8gb is more than enough
[05:36:33] <Mzam4514> KDE ?
[05:36:39] <xangua> Lol
[05:36:52] <Mzam4514> I have high ram so IDC
[05:36:58] <rhg135> plasma supremacy in de
[05:37:23] <rhg135> if you count standalone wm then it gets tough
[05:39:48] <rhg135> there's also the i3 edition, but it's not as nice
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[05:40:34] <rhg135> bspwm, fluxbox, xmonad
[05:42:03] <Mzam4514> KDE plasma look nice
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[05:42:44] <Mzam4514> Right now I need to search google for iso
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[05:45:10] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 why manjaro website only offer xfce and dont offer plasma
[05:45:36] <dont-panic> does real time kernel do anything for image manipulation?
[05:45:42] <rhg135> that is a crime against ux! let me look
[05:46:29] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 lol
[05:46:52] <rhg135> https://manjaro.org/get-manjaro/#KDE
[05:46:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/M9ZRT9] Get Manjaro | Manjaro Linux
[05:47:27] <rhg135> dont-panic: depends, are you doing it live? if not, no
[05:47:51] <dont-panic> werks fer me
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[05:48:59] <Mzam4514> KDE edition 16.10 come with plasma ?
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[05:51:52] <rhg135> plasma is an almost-alias of kde these days
[05:52:04] <Mzam4514> Lol even my window 10 crashed on me
[05:52:15] <rhg135> so plasma might be called kde5 sometimes
[05:52:23] <rhg135> that's not strange
[05:53:40] <Mzam4514> I have usb live manjaro xfce ready can install plasma later ?
[05:54:45] <rhg135> yeah, but somehow I don't see it
[05:55:18] <Mzam4514> Lol?
[05:55:48] <rhg135> it's at best annoying and at worse hard
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[05:57:46] <Mzam4514> KDE larger the xfce I though xfce larger
[05:58:34] <rhg135> nah, kde does seem heftier spatially
[05:58:59] <Mzam4514> What are using ?
[05:59:13] <rhg135> plasma
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[06:00:01] <Mzam4514> So its KDE
[06:01:26] <Mzam4514> I'm really nowbie in Linux O.o
[06:01:32] <rhg135> http://i.imgur.com/scauQlo.png
[06:01:33] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/aAbAJB] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
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[06:02:03] <rhg135> pretty basic, my setup, but reasonably
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[06:03:36] <Mzam4514> 13 tab I will kill my self lol
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[06:04:27] <rhg135> I come from i3, I enjoy having a lot of things on my desktop lol
[06:04:48] <rhg135> it's not chaotic if you can navigate fine
[06:05:00] <rhg135> that applies to my desk irl too
[06:05:17] <Mzam4514> Lol
[06:05:43] <rhg135> that didn't even include my 5 other ff windows
[06:06:24] <Mzam4514> Wow how many tab you need ? :D
[06:06:31] * rhg135 has earned the 'multitasking overload' achievement
[06:06:44] <rhg135> a lot
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[06:08:27] <Mzam4514> Manjaro KDE 16.10 stable downloaded :)
[06:10:00] <rhg135> I remember back in the early 2000s that people said I was crazy for not using gnome and now laugh at them
[06:10:45] <Mzam4514> Gnome sucks and broke my system :)
[06:12:19] <Mzam4514> Do you recommend me to remove windows 10 and install only manjaro ?
[06:12:45] <rhg135> no, windows can be useful sometimes
[06:12:59] <rhg135> unless you really need that space
[06:13:23] <Mzam4514> 780 GB drive
[06:14:11] <rhg135> manjaro will easily fit on 10, just the homes get big
[06:14:23] <rhg135> mine is like 200gb
[06:14:27] <Mzam4514> Shill I use nonfree ?
[06:14:38] <rhg135> what gpu?
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[06:14:49] <Mzam4514> Intel HD
[06:15:14] <Mzam4514> How to make sure I'm not really sure
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[06:18:10] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 is nonfree for nivdia only?
[06:19:02] <rhg135> Mzam4514: non-free is for bad manufacturers imo, but intel at least gets that right
[06:19:27] <rhg135> then choose free, intel doesn't do such things
[06:19:42] <rhg135> for their gpus I mean
[06:20:22] <Mzam4514> Shill I enable or disable VT from bios ?
[06:22:51] <Mzam4514> When I install some other os is recommended to turn off vt but Linux didn't montiont anywhere
[06:22:58] <rhg135> honestly, I'm not sure on the pros and cons; on if you use virual machines?
[06:24:33] <Mzam4514> Then I will keep it disabled
[06:27:42] <Mzam4514> I just remembered I have no back up to /home
[06:29:54] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 shill I do replace a portion or manual again ?
[06:31:48] <rhg135> you can reuse the one from the previous install just check the format box iirc
[06:32:00] <rhg135> I don't use the installer
[06:32:38] <Mzam4514> Last question and I'm done
[06:32:59] <Mzam4514> 25g to / is enough?
[06:33:40] <rhg135> definitely, just you might need a seperate /home then
[06:33:52] <rhg135> as I said they get huge
[06:34:56] <Mzam4514> Rhg135 /home has 450 GiB / has25 GiB
[06:35:03] <Mzam4514> That good right
[06:35:24] <rhg135> yeah, that should be great
[06:35:34] <Mzam4514> I have 4 partition :D
[06:35:45] <rhg135> unless you have a lot of hd video...
[06:36:11] <Mzam4514> In external hard drive
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[06:38:16] <Mzam4514> Idk how to do it like you but
[06:38:50] <Mzam4514> Mzam4514 thankfull for rhg135
[06:38:58] <rhg135> np
[06:39:28] <Mzam4514> I tried to do like you lol
[06:39:33] <rhg135> I just really like manjaro and want it to stick around
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[06:41:34] <Mzam4514> Stupid phone kicked from chat
[06:42:43] <Mzam4514> When manjaro bring appstore like Ubuntu
[06:42:55] <Mzam4514> :p
[06:43:50] <rhg135> I fail to see the benefit of it, but I guess that's opinion
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[06:44:26] <rhg135> usually you tend to find out on your own which apps are useful for you
[06:44:29] <Mzam4514> Ubuntu app is easy to use
[06:45:05] <Mzam4514> I mean appstore
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[06:45:54] <Mzam4514> How to check de name ?
[06:46:03] <Mzam4514> :p
[06:49:00] <Mzam4514> Oh no rhg135
[06:49:18] <rhg135> ?
[06:49:24] <Mzam4514> Froze manjaro loading screen
[06:49:50] <rhg135> eh, I'm done on X issues for today
[06:50:00] * rhg135 runs away
[06:50:22] <rhg135> so many gpu issues
[06:50:28] <Mzam4514> Well I did frish install
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[06:51:24] <rhg135> you said you had a hybrid gpu setup right?
[06:52:00] <Mzam4514> Yeah I think
[06:52:35] <rhg135> I'm really bad with those
[06:53:11] <Mzam4514> Do not tell me my PC can't Handel KDE and need xfce version
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[06:54:14] <Mzam4514> I pressed ESC every thing in green OK
[06:54:41] <rhg135> I'm pretty sure any modern pc can handle kde fine, just X can be a pain
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[06:55:34] <Mzam4514> In red failed filed to start volatile files and directories
[06:56:28] <Mzam4514> And failed to start light display manager
[06:56:40] <Mzam4514> What does that mean?
[06:57:57] <Mzam4514> Hmmm
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[06:59:56] <Mzam4514> I think I will wape the whole drive xD
[07:01:30] <rhg135> let's take a non-working install and cement it over a working one. good idea :[
[07:02:23] <Mzam4514> Yeah good idea
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[07:04:59] <maxspice> How to password protect a folder for a noob friend using linux for first time? I looked into cryptkeeper but it has a universal password apparently.
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[07:06:28] <d42> maxspice: ecryptfs?
[07:07:42] <d42> or maybe some truecrypt fork, but dunno ,_,
[07:08:08] <maxspice> d42: thanks, will check it out. Is it gui friendly? I don't want to throw him to the terminal at the beginning.😀
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[07:09:09] <Mzam4514> Terminal is a dengres place
[07:09:22] <d42> tldr it's all shit
[07:09:24] <d42> :v
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[07:12:04] <Mzam4514> If I ganna dual not with window which op shill I install first ?
[07:12:18] <maxspice> d42: that's too bad.. will probably have to go with veracrypt then
[07:12:19] <Mzam4514> Dual boot*
[07:12:50] <d42> veracrypt might be ok
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[07:13:10] <maxspice> Mzam4514: if you install linux 2nd it will automatically detect your 1st os windows
[07:13:40] <d42> i've found truecrypt pretty enjoyable, but since sudden cessation of support i'm not sure if i trust it :^)
[07:13:53] <maxspice> Mzam4514: then you can choose which os to boot at the startup
[07:14:09] <d42> but if nsa isn't the adversary you care about, it might be ok :^)
[07:14:21] <Mzam4514> So window first the Linux
[07:14:58] <Mzam4514> Bootloader at /boot or in the main harddrive ?
[07:15:28] <maxspice> d42: yeah you're right not to trust it. Veracrypt continues the great work and fixed a lot of bugs in truecrypt. But i wanted something simpler for my friend. Guess we can't have everything we wish for lol
[07:15:50] <maxspice> Mzam4514: i usually create a /, swap and a /home
[07:16:49] <Mzam4514> Maxspice so you don't do /boot
[07:17:11] <Mzam4514> So where do you install botlooder ?
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[07:20:46] <maxspice> Mzam4514: no i dont.. my bootloader is installed in the hdd
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[07:31:38] <triplc> hi all. what is default kernel of fresh installed manjaro? linux-rt? or linux49?
[07:32:10] <maxspice> Manjaro 16.10.3 has linux44
[07:33:03] <triplc> oh
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[08:04:58] <BugzBunny> can you password protect TAR?
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[08:09:29] <day|flip> i heard of them
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[08:10:30] <badbodh> BugzBunny, use gpg or ssl to encrypt
[08:11:01] <badbodh> for any file in general, not just tar
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[08:17:04] <BugzBunny> I was asking because the guy wanted to password protect a folder
[08:17:17] <BugzBunny> Something easier than encryptfs or veracrypt
[08:17:29] <BugzBunny> Something that can be mounted
[08:19:41] <badbodh> folder o.0 beats me
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[08:41:28] <manjaro-web|9167> hallo! i installed kde manjaro i wnat to add xfce and Cinnamon :D pls help
[08:43:13] <tme> why would you like to install both desktop environments?
[08:43:24] <tme> anyway, check this: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Install_Desktop_Environments
[08:43:26] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/GCkANw] Install Desktop Environments - Manjaro Linux
[08:43:43] <manjaro-web|9167> want to see which one i like :D
[08:43:50] <day|flip> there nothing wrong have more then DE
[08:44:00] <day|flip> one de*
[08:44:12] <tme> absolutely no
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[08:44:17] <tboston> moin
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[09:01:19] <thid> AMD Opteron 412229422c / 4t2.2 GHz+16 GB2 tboston 100 Mbps - what do u guys think ?
[09:02:16] <thid> AMD Opteron 4122 | 2c / 4t 2.2 GHz+| 16 GB | 2tb | 100 Mbps
[09:03:23] <tboston> I'd prefer the first one cause my nick is in it :)
[09:03:47] <day|flip> thid: what am i looking at?
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[09:07:36] <day|flip> thid: how the hell are you still alive over their?
[09:08:02] <thid> tboston: its same server xD
[09:08:04] <day|flip> 412 million kelvins
[09:08:11] <thid> day|flip: server config, need to buy one
[09:08:33] <day|flip> that hotter then the center of are son
[09:08:45] <BugzBunny> Opteron, they still make those
[09:08:54] <thid> BugzBunny: sortof
[09:09:05] <BugzBunny> thid, Please, use space bar
[09:09:09] <thid> BugzBunny: they are cheap thats for sure, 20euro/month
[09:09:09] <BugzBunny> xD
[09:09:25] <day|flip> whatispacebarorspaceballs?
[09:09:28] <BugzBunny> Huh? Renting a computer?
[09:09:47] <thid> BugzBunny: yep
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[09:11:24] <thid> Atom™ N2800640 | 2c / 4t | 1.86 GHz+ | 4 GB | 40 GB SSD | 100 Mbps - I was also thinking about this at somepoint but most vps are better then this :/
[09:11:35] <BugzBunny> Oo
[09:11:37] <BugzBunny> VPS
[09:11:43] <BugzBunny> I thought you meant a computer
[09:11:51] <thid> cheap server/vps
[09:11:59] <BugzBunny> You can get cheaper and better specs
[09:12:05] <BugzBunny> At OVH
[09:12:12] <thid> those are offers from ovh :)
[09:12:17] <thid> https://www.kimsufi.com/pl/serwery.xml
[09:12:18] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/2Cqvih] Kimsufi: niedrogi serwer dedykowany!
[09:12:22] <thid> awww
[09:12:27] <BugzBunny> thid, Where?
[09:12:34] <thid> https://www.kimsufi.com/en/servers.xml
[09:12:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Nu3wgp] Kimsufi: affordable dedicated server!
[09:12:49] <thid> KS-3A
[09:12:54] <BugzBunny> Because, although it's OVH, it's apparently different subsidaries in different countries
[09:13:10] <BugzBunny> OO, you want dedicated Servers
[09:13:21] <thid> yeah for some of my projects
[09:13:24] <BugzBunny> Well, 20/Month USD for that is not bad
[09:13:41] <BugzBunny> But both of those CPUs are crap
[09:14:02] <thid> still better then sitting on vps at same price
[09:14:17] <BugzBunny> What do you mean, sitting on VPS?
[09:14:49] <thid> https://www.kimsufi.com/en/vps-ssd.xml
[09:14:51] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/KE5Wug] Kimsufi: affordable dedicated server!
[09:15:32] <thid> I'm using atm few SSD1, SSD2, was about to get SSD3 but I'm thinking about getting that opteron
[09:15:34] <BugzBunny> I am not going to click on those links xD :)
[09:15:57] <thid> u lazy ass xD
[09:16:01] <cor1u1m> can one explain to me why cloud hosting is often more expensive than renting your own dedicated server?
[09:16:13] <thid> hmmm
[09:16:30] <BugzBunny> Good luck
[09:16:41] <thid> lets say u have dedicated server, ur raid is going down, ur fked
[09:16:51] <BugzBunny> I can't offer an intelligent opinion because I don't understand what you want
[09:17:07] <BugzBunny> Cloud, is not dedicated, you paying for resource
[09:17:10] <thid> in cloud they can just run ur vps on diffrent machine
[09:17:26] <BugzBunny> Amazon is the cheapest in terms of Cloud
[09:17:38] <thid> and u get 1 year free
[09:17:45] <BugzBunny> Cloud is more for, I need Resources to run an application
[09:18:03] <BugzBunny> I need those resources for 1 hour maybe
[09:18:22] <thid> BugzBunny: my question is, should I drop vps and move on opteron or stay with vps
[09:18:50] <BugzBunny> Dude, I pay 3.95USD for a decent VPS
[09:18:59] <BugzBunny> The performance has been awersome
[09:19:32] <thid> my main problem is ram
[09:19:43] <thid> I usually need more ram that they offer
[09:20:20] <thid> its my fault coz I use to much memcache :/
[09:21:28] <day|flip> is 64gb of ram ok for server?
[09:21:33] <BugzBunny> LOL
[09:21:38] <day|flip> or it a joke
[09:21:40] <BugzBunny> That will be expensive
[09:21:55] <BugzBunny> But it depends on workload
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[09:22:15] <BugzBunny> That's wasted Memory if you just run a few services
[09:22:25] <BugzBunny> However, you convert it to VM Box
[09:22:33] <BugzBunny> You put that memory into good use
[09:22:34] * day|flip <--- this baka knows nothing about servers :)
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[09:23:21] <day|flip> im using 2.1% of ram right now
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[09:24:25] <thid> whats waste of ram? not using it or memcache?
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[09:27:20] <BugzBunny> thid, If you pay for the price, and don't use it, that's waste of ram
[09:27:42] <thid> as I said I use most ram for sql/memcache
[09:27:53] <BugzBunny> How much Ram?
[09:27:58] <thid> usually can easy cover 90% of free ram I have
[09:28:14] <BugzBunny> How big? 4GB?
[09:28:22] <thid> yep
[09:28:26] <thid> 8GB also
[09:28:47] <thid> thats why I was thinking about going for something with 16GB ram
[09:29:04] <BugzBunny> Well, I think the CPU will be find for SQL, SQL needs fast DISK Speed and enough room
[09:29:25] <BugzBunny> thid, What are you doing? Is this for a website?
[09:29:40] <thid> websites*
[09:29:41] <thid>  yep
[09:30:08] <BugzBunny> You want to use one SQL server for all websites?
[09:30:32] <thid> yep, no need for cluster
[09:30:49] <BugzBunny> LOL< you know what I was thinking
[09:31:04] * BugzBunny calls Trump, I think Thid is spying on me
[09:31:07] <thid> sure I know since I'v build few cluster allready
[09:31:23] <BugzBunny> thid, You ban from US
[09:31:27] <BugzBunny> :-p
[09:31:43] <thid> projects I'm working now on, wont benefit on cluster
[09:31:50] <thid> for them best is cache
[09:32:02] <thid> so poper sql config for buffers
[09:32:03] <BugzBunny> Okay, well, your setup won't be easy to maintain from the little you've said
[09:32:27] <BugzBunny> You going have bunch of SQL servers with different configurations etc etc etc
[09:32:48] <BugzBunny> 16GB is okay, depending on workloard
[09:32:53] <BugzBunny> You determine that
[09:34:27] <thid> ok so 1 project is on django, middleware create proper memecache for nginx. SQL server is a mix, main project use xtradb, smaller use maria, with buffers and query cache I plan to use about 60-70% of ram, rest is going for memecache for main project
[09:35:53] <thid> django project was made to work at about 8gb ram, with low cpu load, since most heavy stuffs is serverd from cache
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[09:41:07] <BugzBunny> 16GB sounds like a good deal for all that
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[09:41:19] <BugzBunny> For quick performance
[09:41:35] <BugzBunny> I probably can manage all that in 2GBs
[09:41:42] <BugzBunny> But it will be Slow
[09:42:24] <BugzBunny> SQL, I would recommend having that on another server
[09:43:03] <BugzBunny> But cause unless the provider provides redundant backups, you can be shit out of luck
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[09:43:54] <BugzBunny> because*
[09:45:02] <thid> sure it can run on lower ram
[09:45:10] <thid> problem is as u said with performance
[09:45:22] <thid> mostly nested comments generate big cpu load
[09:45:26] <day|flip> be to slow and easy bottle neck
[09:45:41] <thid> so caching them even for awhile give nice boost
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[09:53:14] <BugzBunny> Well, I am SQL expert
[09:53:19] <BugzBunny> I am not*
[09:53:38] <BugzBunny> But CPU load is not the problem AFAIK with SQL and depends on Software
[09:54:10] <BugzBunny> I use MariaDB, it's been good, it's slow, because I have it running with 256MB
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[09:54:49] <BugzBunny> So, for performance, I am not suggesting lower ram, I am saying, for performance, you need fast disk speeds, large enough memory
[09:55:00] <BugzBunny> But budget is not like yours
[09:55:44] <BugzBunny> 16GB for the entire system is fine, maybe a better CPU, since it's not just SQL anymore, you have a lot other applications
[09:55:51] <BugzBunny> CPU can be bottle neck
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[10:03:45] <day|flip> so 256gb m.2 pci ssd and 8-16gb of ram should be just fine right?
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[10:08:17] <thid> BugzBunny: cpu is ok, python have light code and is heavy only on sql, php have decent code wth opcache
[10:08:33] <thid> day|flip: depends for what
[10:08:39] <thid> for desktop yeah
[10:09:13] <thid> tho my desktop have 2 ssd, 32gb ram and now I'm trying to get 2 tb raid1
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[10:19:34] <BugzBunny> day|flip, That's a lot of performance just for SQL, but personally, with those specs, I would fit more
[10:19:49] <BugzBunny> Python, have light code?
[10:19:54] <BugzBunny> MUAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
[10:19:55] <BugzBunny> k
[10:19:57] <thid> :D
[10:20:06] <BugzBunny> BS
[10:20:16] <thid> oh come on its not that bad
[10:20:29] <BugzBunny> Let's agree to disagree
[10:20:34] <thid> :)
[10:20:52] <thid> I have some stuffs runing nice even on rpi b+
[10:21:11] <BugzBunny> Python to me, every application I've uses written in it, needs a significant amount of ram
[10:21:22] <thid> thats true
[10:21:33] <thid> python on start needs 128mb ram
[10:22:25] <BugzBunny> I don't know which language is good
[10:22:46] <BugzBunny> but python is not my friend
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[10:23:14] <day|flip> will it be better to used C?
[10:23:34] <thid> C# :D
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[10:28:37] <BugzBunny> I am too stupid for C#
[10:28:50] <BugzBunny> PHP is what I used
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[11:21:52] <tboston> with what are you guys onfiguring your network stuff?
[11:22:02] <tboston> theres netctl, NetworkManager
[11:22:13] <Strit_Laptop> I use Plasma's Network Manager
[11:22:14] <tboston> I can't get my Bridge/VLAN stuff to work
[11:22:49] <tboston> I have one ethernet device, on top of that I'd need a few bridges and those bridges have to be set up in kvm
[11:22:52] <tboston> no can do
[11:22:53] <tboston> so far
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[11:58:56] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, Morning
[11:59:16] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, You angry or polite this morning
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[12:00:25] <BugzBunny>  I guess, I am angry and I ignore you :-p
[12:00:53] <BugzBunny> [05:21:52] <tboston> with what are you guys onfiguring your network stuff?
[12:01:14] <BugzBunny> [05:22:14] <tboston> I can't get my Bridge/VLAN stuff to work
[12:01:53] <BugzBunny> Manjaro does Bridge/Vlan?
[12:02:18] <BugzBunny> I honestly can't say because I use different tools
[12:02:49] <BugzBunny> QEMU? follow a good tut
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[12:05:32] <roch_> o/
[12:05:59] <BugzBunny> \o
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[12:09:15] <thid> back
[12:09:25] <roch_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAcXt-NOb1U
[12:09:27] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Tdc70n] Bugs Bunny ft Elmer Fudd - The Wacky Wabbit (1942) - YouTube
[12:09:53] <BugzBunny> Let me see if ASUS APP allow my CPU to turbo core
[12:10:05] <BugzBunny> I have it in PowerSave
[12:10:25] <BugzBunny> The heat, I can touch the fins, it's hot
[12:10:32] <BugzBunny> Not really hot
[12:11:02] <BugzBunny> I had plan to get water cool system
[12:11:17] <roch_> cpu's should be cool
[12:11:21] <BugzBunny> But, I don't like the CPU getting that hot
[12:11:38] <Jeannie> Water and semiconductors are natural enemies
[12:11:45] <BugzBunny> Fuck me
[12:11:48] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, speaks
[12:11:50] <Jeannie> Never
[12:12:04] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, So you read!
[12:12:11] <BugzBunny> w00t
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[12:13:10] <BugzBunny> Nah, I touch the Heat Sink, it's warm
[12:13:43] <roch_> I put frozen joghurt on mine cpu.
[12:14:04] <BugzBunny> When I step out today, I will probably grab better Heat Sink and fan
[12:14:36] <BugzBunny> The CHIP is cheap
[12:14:51] <BugzBunny> But I don't want it run that hot, the GPU
[12:15:17] <BugzBunny> Heavy load, I kept it at 72C
[12:15:47] <BugzBunny> The CPU at 44C
[12:16:02] <BugzBunny> When I have the FAN
[12:16:07] <BugzBunny> Curve changed
[12:16:23] <BugzBunny> roch_, I put my lsjlsjl live
[12:16:26] <roch_> mine cpu says 'phuck it' at 60°C
[12:17:08] <roch_> what is it ? lsjlsj; ?
[12:17:19] <BugzBunny> mauauahlajlaka
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[12:18:15] <BugzBunny> roch_, I've speed up the fan, it keeps the CPU at 44C
[12:18:22] <BugzBunny> on heavy load
[12:18:33] <BugzBunny> The problem I have, at low FAN RPM
[12:18:49] <BugzBunny> It's like 60C
[12:19:24] <BugzBunny> On light load
[12:20:01] <BugzBunny> I can't keep it under < 50C
[12:20:19] <BugzBunny> But the problem is, every windows software tells me one temp
[12:20:24] <roch_> decrease Volts
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[12:20:37] <BugzBunny> but ASUS tells me another temp
[12:20:38] <manjaro-kde5-> hi
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[12:20:51] <thid> Bug what does bios says ?
[12:21:09] <tboston> hmm
[12:21:12] <BugzBunny> thid, brb
[12:21:17] <tboston> can't find remmina-plugin-rdesktop
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[12:24:41] <BugzBunny> back
[12:24:51] <BugzBunny> thid, I am using ASUS APP on Windows
[12:25:11] <BugzBunny> I am not sure how reliable the temps are
[12:25:53] <BugzBunny> I can say for sure, the CPU VRM, get's hots
[12:26:04] <BugzBunny> Forget about the GPU
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[12:27:13] <BugzBunny> But, slowly, right now, I have to pay $150 for my interwebs because I accidently forgot to pay last month
[12:27:50] <BugzBunny> So, I don't have the 1500.00 disposal income like most folks
[12:28:09] <thid> if ur mobo is asus
[12:28:14] <thid> and u use their app
[12:28:24] <thid> then asus gives proper temp
[12:28:37] <BugzBunny> k
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[12:30:32] <BugzBunny> thid, ASUS 970 Pro Gaming
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[12:31:06] <thid> yeah use asus app
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[12:33:12] <BugzBunny> Well, like I said, about VPS, I paid the price.. maybe you didn't see my cooling system
[12:34:35] <BugzBunny> Damn, I deleted the Mobo video
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[12:43:45] <Fenix17> hello everybody, brand new linux user here, using manjaro xfce
[12:44:21] <Fenix17> i've a (quite big) problema atm: when pc enters into sleep mode i can't awake it!
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[12:45:25] <Fenix17> well it restarts fans, keyboard and mouse get back their power but monitors stay black
[12:45:41] <Fenix17> any idea ?
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[12:50:54] <negen> Fenix17, I have no Idea about your issue but one thing you can test if this is a fresh install is install another one of the official builds and see if the issue follows
[12:51:12] <negen> that is what I would do if I had already looked through the power management settings
[12:51:36] <BugzBunny> thid, Let me upload the vid
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[12:51:39] <BugzBunny> one moment
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[12:58:48] <Fenix17> i've installed it yesterday
[12:58:51] <Fenix17> so very fresh
[12:59:14] <thid> back sorry was ordering and setuping ssl
[12:59:36] <Fenix17> damn i need to prepare for work
[12:59:46] <Fenix17> later all
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[13:00:17] <BugzBunny> fuck my CPU is slow
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[13:00:23] <BugzBunny> I need to change settings
[13:01:07] <BugzBunny> One of my fans blowing like shit
[13:01:35] <BugzBunny> My applications was too slow
[13:01:53] <roch_> 'pls don't do it Dave'
[13:02:14] <thid> buy better fans?
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[13:04:06] <roch_> 'I feel much better Dave, I really do'
[13:04:29] <BugzBunny> much better
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[13:05:16] <BugzBunny> I watch videos then go to sleep
[13:05:25] <BugzBunny> So, I can turn the performance down
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[13:08:34] <BugzBunny> AMD FX 8320E put smile in my face
[13:08:39] <BugzBunny> Because
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[13:09:10] <BugzBunny> I can play a GAME, and I can Tab-Switch.. and do something else
[13:09:25] <BugzBunny> Without significant lost
[13:09:57] <BugzBunny> RX 480
[13:10:02] <BugzBunny> eh meh
[13:13:05] <BugzBunny> thid, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ_bQzmcAXU
[13:13:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/oOR0Ij] Thid - YouTube
[13:17:39] <BugzBunny> thid, That's my mobo
[13:17:51] <BugzBunny> thid, I will
[13:17:55] <BugzBunny> But
[13:18:25] <BugzBunny> Let me do Dead Space video
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[13:36:22] <BugzBunny> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-PCCRIcLrI
[13:36:24] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/9MGbRZ] Let's Play Dying Light Enhanced Edition Episode 2 (Commentary) [Partly Blind?] 1080p 60FPS - YouTube
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[13:40:59] <BugzBunny> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axuwG9pRwE8
[13:41:00] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/EpANXn] Let's Play Dying Light Enhanced Edition Episode 5 (Commentary) [Partly Blind?] 1080p 60FPS - YouTube
[13:41:04] <BugzBunny> I need to pee
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[14:01:28] <Jolt2bolt> good morning
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[14:07:09] <BugzBunny> My presiedent
[14:07:13] <BugzBunny> Says
[14:07:33] <BugzBunny> "A new radical Islamic terrorist has just attacked in Louvre Museum in Paris. Tourists were locked down. France on edge again. GET SMART U.S."
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[14:13:19] <manots-> ug
[14:13:22] <manots-> oops
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[14:15:12] <thid> ...
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[14:17:00] <Jolt2bolt> hahaha
[14:17:20] <Jolt2bolt> i think trump is a little xenofobic!:P
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[14:20:05] <manots-> k
[14:20:11] <manots-> trump  is dumb
[14:24:00] <BugzBunny> I will not call him dump
[14:24:07] <BugzBunny> Stupid
[14:24:17] <BugzBunny> He's a fucking asshole
[14:24:30] <manots-> eh
[14:24:41] * manots- got the short end of the stick
[14:24:47] <manots-> its a cycle
[14:25:11] <BugzBunny> But I will not call him stupid, I will not join the hypocrisy
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[14:25:24] <manots-> EH
[14:25:37] <manots-> i mean my father fucking hates him
[14:25:47] <manots-> that's because he is a mexican tbh
[14:26:01] <manots-> (LEGAL)
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[14:26:28] <BugzBunny> He called a reported with mental disability
[14:26:38] <BugzBunny> With his hands
[14:26:49] <BugzBunny> So, I will not call him stupid
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[14:28:14] <BugzBunny> Calling him stupid, is calling people with Mental Disorder stupid..
[14:28:36] * BugzBunny is not joking
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[14:29:32] <tefter> we call our predident toma the diploma
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[14:30:48] <tefter> and prime minister pussy lips
[14:32:16] <BugzBunny> For now, I give him a chance
[14:32:39] <Jeannie> No chance for fascists
[14:32:45] <BugzBunny> I mean, he hasn't been as terrible .. yet.. The Muslim Ban
[14:32:50] <BugzBunny> It's temporary
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[14:33:24] <BugzBunny> States are fighting back
[14:33:30] <Jeannie> I hope so
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[14:34:08] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, I mean, personally, What Obama wanted as good transistion
[14:34:13] <BugzBunny> Fucking failed
[14:34:57] <BugzBunny> But He get's to choose, I accepted, to do what he wants for now
[14:35:21] <Jeannie> Need to reboot, brb
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[14:38:41] <negen> I think trump is probably pretty stupid or kinda dumb but I think he makes an cool president
[14:38:47] <negen> it is fun to watch politics now
[14:39:03] <negen> never know what crazy loon bag thing he will do next
[14:39:06] <Jeannie> Fun? That guy has the access codes for nuclear weapons
[14:39:17] <thid> yep
[14:39:30] <negen> what is funny is people think that he would be allowed to use them by him self
[14:40:14] <negen> i do not understand why the news reports a muslim ban for the USA when the USA has no such ban
[14:40:56] <negen> i do not understand the fuss these guys are making about having to wait 90 days for a visa
[14:41:20] <negen> I have family I filed paper work for and their visa's take 15 years to process
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[14:43:48] <negen> obama was just as crazy as trump but more in a hippish/stalinish kind of way
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[14:45:38] <Joseph> O.O
[14:46:50] <mparillo> The news reports a muslim ban when there was not one because they imagine they are reading DJT's mind so they know what he really would have liked to do.
[14:47:32] <tefter> regarding trump i think that relations with russia greatly improved
[14:47:41] <tefter> according to russian media i listen
[14:47:43] <negen> I think america should just ban all international travel in or out of usa
[14:47:48] <tefter> so no ww3
[14:47:55] <Joseph> Well, the reason they're doing that is that the countries involved all happen to be Muslim-majority. What a lot of people don't realize is that it was the Obama administration that first came up with that precise list.
[14:48:15] <negen> people suck just let the ones here in the usa die off and the allow the french or whats left of the uk take over again
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[14:49:19] <negen> I think trump is the first president to make an attempt to do what he was elected to do
[14:49:36] <mparillo> We can argue whether the precise list was a good one (I think political considerations played a role in its formulation), but it was like ju-jitsu to use the existing list.
[14:49:37] <negen> well first politician for that matter
[14:50:23] <thid> who cares about usa
[14:50:43] <negen> too bad the canadains do not take over or something
[14:51:09] <negen> maybe sweden and denmark should take up arms and claim usa as their own
[14:51:23] <thid> lets w8 for china
[14:51:40] <thid> they will send small teams of 100k for gorilla fight
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[14:52:38] <negen> the only really shitty that trump did is fast paced the dakota and keystone pipelines
[14:54:21] <negen> another stupid thing the media claims is about "trumps wall" when the wall was passed and made into law 10 years ago
[14:54:57] <negen> so by the way things are it is legally required for the government to build the wall because it was made into law 10 years ago
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[14:55:33] <negen> they just are choosing to just avoid funding it
[14:56:43] <negen> see the democrats have lots of social programs and they have lots of anti drug programs if people reduce the amount of illegal drugs in this country then the programs the democrats run and want funded will have no customers
[14:58:03] <negen> the best solution is not build a wall but to build a international military training center the full length of the boarder
[14:58:36] <negen> nato forces could probably do some good training in those locations
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[15:15:14] <Jolt2bolt> the only thing i know is that trump likes "THE SHOOOOWWW!!!!" I almost remember the movie "It's show time!" where robert d'niro and eddie murph and see trump doing the presentation like eddi morphy!XDDD
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[15:16:45] <Jolt2bolt> just like this, but change the voice to trump's!XDD ----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDmwR-u-Bwk
[15:16:47] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/tGGhph] It's Showtime! - YouTube
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[15:36:13] <BugzBunny> negen, I may think his idiot
[15:37:17] <BugzBunny> Specifically, his missing forethought
[15:37:55] <BugzBunny> I just hope, he doesn't bankrupt the country like the French revolution
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[15:42:33] <ringo> Jeannie,  is long, isues? :)
[15:42:52] <Jeannie> Plasma 5.9 came in
[15:43:14] <Jeannie> Some minor things needed fixing
[15:43:19] * ringo lol
[15:43:24] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, Lies
[15:43:32] <Jeannie> What?
[15:43:38] <BugzBunny> What?
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[15:43:40] <ringo> is a long boot :)
[15:44:13] <Jeannie> I'm not in the mood to discuss anything with you BugzBunny  continue your monologue and leave me alone
[15:44:32] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, No problem, I don't hate you
[15:45:03] <BugzBunny> In fact, I am concern, but it's your choice at the end of the day
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[15:46:02] * ringo opens a DigiLogue
[15:46:03] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, by the way, will it be a time that plasma doesn't come with bug and minor issues?
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[15:47:11] <BugzBunny> Uh
[15:47:15] <BugzBunny> I just got hom
[15:47:20] <BugzBunny> I just got home
[15:47:46] <BugzBunny> LXQT ftw
[15:48:05] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, can you tell me what are the minor annoying bug you saw in plasma and if are there a fix in the last version to it?
[15:49:11] <BugzBunny> Why would care about Plasma, really
[15:49:40] <BugzBunny> I use KDE sometimes, Plasma is okay, but I am not interested in it
[15:49:51] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, so what do you use?
[15:50:03] <BugzBunny> [09:47:45] <BugzBunny> LXQT ftw
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[15:51:30] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, how is it LXQT manjaro?o.o
[15:51:30] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, So, what you use?
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[15:51:47] <Stijn--> Hi
[15:52:01] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, i'm using cinamoon but I'm begining to fing some annoying issues!:P
[15:52:10] <BugzBunny> You askingme how LXQT, an open source software, have to do with Manjaro?
[15:52:23] * BugzBunny thinks Jolt2bolt is attacking me
[15:52:31] <Stijn--> When I install TeamSpeak3 Client with pamac-manager, it installs just fine. But when i click the icon(menu or balk) nothin happens, anybody an idea how to fix this?
[15:52:36] <Mid> Hey guys, can someone explain how Manjaro works in terms of customization? I'm thinking about using it on my pc soon but I wanna get some more info
[15:52:42] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, You OP, just ban me
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[15:53:33] <twtduck> @Stijn-- what happens when you run /usr/bin/teamspeak3 in a terminal?
[15:53:38] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, nah!. Iwas just asking because I'm thinking to giving LXQT a try
[15:53:48] * ringo runs mate
[15:54:00] <Jolt2bolt> Stijn--, did you try to run teamspeak from terminal
[15:54:18] <Jolt2bolt> ringo, did thee solve the mate problem of gtk3?
[15:55:02] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, LXQT is light
[15:55:04] <Jolt2bolt> ringo, I thought the mate was having issue with the transition to gtk3
[15:55:14] <BugzBunny> When it comes to my 8 Core
[15:55:16] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, and cute?
[15:55:20] <BugzBunny> Not yet
[15:55:30] <ringo> mate is more stable then cinnamon atleast
[15:55:32] <BugzBunny> I need setup Compiz
[15:55:41] <BugzBunny> ANd wall paper
[15:55:43] <Jolt2bolt> so mate still got issues with the gtk3 transition?o.o
[15:55:45] <Jeannie> Compiz and MATE GTK3 don't work together
[15:55:55] <ringo> i dont got issues for my self
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[15:56:18] <Jolt2bolt> ringo, are you using the gtk3 version or the gtk2?
[15:56:22] <ringo> mate have removed some old code, cinnamon stil rely also on old code
[15:56:25] <ringo> gtk3
[15:56:38] <Jolt2bolt> umm Maybe I should try mate then
[15:56:50] <BugzBunny> mate is my second fav
[15:56:56] <Jolt2bolt> cinammon began to become more unstable since the last release...
[15:56:57] <BugzBunny> But LXQT ftw
[15:57:02] <BugzBunny> Cinammon
[15:57:03] <Jeannie> I abandoned MATE when they moved to GTK3
[15:57:04] <BugzBunny> spits
[15:57:06] <manjaroi3> hey all, installed java 8 in manjaro i3 but can't access an untrusted web-applet in firefox, need access to the ControlPanel to add an exclusion but can't find a way to do it?! (Debian you would run ControlPanel)...?
[15:57:13] <ringo> Lxqt is pretty good but for me to minimal
[15:57:34] <Jeannie> I use plasma5 now
[15:58:20] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, What do you expect
[15:58:21] <Jolt2bolt> Jeannie, good for you Jeannie, i hope you don't change of decision too soon or find something bad about plasma too soon!:D
[15:58:35] <BugzBunny> Mate can't continue to use GTK2 forever
[15:58:50] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, You going to help dev GTK3
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[15:58:53] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, You going to help dev GTK2
[15:58:59] <Jeannie> Never
[15:59:03] <BugzBunny> Right
[15:59:05] <Jolt2bolt> ringo, I feel the same. It's like lxqt lack some tool to be call a desktop enviroment properly!:P
[15:59:08] <Jeannie> GTK3 may go and die
[15:59:46] <ringo> if you choose gtk3 or QT5 all are monsters
[15:59:53] <BugzBunny> You can bitch and moan Jeannie, you will eventually like it
[16:00:07] <Jeannie> That will certainly not happen
[16:00:09] <Jolt2bolt> Jeannie, i will hear the same with the next release of KDe when they ship plasma 6 and ruin everything like the always do!XD
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[16:00:34] <Jeannie> I just upgraded to Plasma 5.9, looks good so far, no breakages
[16:00:54] <Jolt2bolt> until they ship the plasma 6.0 version!:D
[16:00:57] <Jolt2bolt> xD
[16:01:30] <Jolt2bolt> or made the next version got a regresion bug, KDE devs are good to bring bugs alive again!XD
[16:01:50] <Jeannie> GTK3 devs are good to break everything every 6 months, so?
[16:02:11] <Jeannie> And when i look at the plans for GTK4, I can only shake my head
[16:02:18] <Jolt2bolt> really?
[16:02:34] <Jolt2bolt> I didn't say the gtk4 plans
[16:02:38] <Jeannie> https://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2016/06/13/gtk-4-0-is-not-gtk-4/
[16:02:43] <Jolt2bolt> see
[16:02:43] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/316G6Y] “Gtk 4.0 is not Gtk 4” – desrt blog (Allison Lortie)
[16:02:58] <Jeannie> ach 6 months, the new release (Gtk 4.2, Gtk 4.4, Gtk 4.6) will break API and ABI vs. the release that came before it.
[16:03:00] * manjaroi3 checks, yup in #manjaro and not #manjaro-talk
[16:03:06] <Jeannie> Each
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[16:09:02] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, Is not a troll, she is opinionated
[16:09:15] <BugzBunny> I find her opinions funny sometimes
[16:09:21] <BugzBunny> XD
[16:09:41] <BugzBunny> GTK4.2?
[16:09:43] <Jolt2bolt> it is funny
[16:09:45] <BugzBunny> xD
[16:09:47] <Jolt2bolt> XD
[16:10:02] <BugzBunny> I am not laughing at Jeannie
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[16:10:14] <BugzBunny> I just laughing
[16:10:19] <BugzBunny> xD
[16:10:22] <Jolt2bolt> I'm laughing about her opinions, not her
[16:10:32] <BugzBunny> right
[16:10:59] <Jolt2bolt> it like hear a catastropic event that could happen with a stupid probability to happen in the end
[16:11:42] <BugzBunny> Well, She likes what she wants to me
[16:11:43] <Jolt2bolt> for risks are always in the table so...
[16:12:05] <BugzBunny> She wants what she wants to work a specific way
[16:12:23] <BugzBunny> What I find annoying is when she comes here and ask for advice
[16:12:32] <BugzBunny> Then bith about the advice
[16:12:49] <BugzBunny> That.. Like, you asked.. I want to rage
[16:12:52] <Jolt2bolt> by the way, I saw a cute awesome configuration and thinking to try awesome wm... but i wonder if i can configure gaps in awesome as you can do in i3!:P
[16:13:19] <BugzBunny> Pics?
[16:13:22] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, maybe she es happy raging about whatever she heard.
[16:13:33] <Jolt2bolt> is it in dotshare
[16:13:44] <BugzBunny> I like Jeannie Jolt2bolt
[16:14:03] <BugzBunny> Not that way, but she's alright with me
[16:14:04] <Jolt2bolt> http://dotshare.it/public/images/uploads/1432.jpg
[16:14:05] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/KmA0J9] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
[16:14:13] <Jolt2bolt> with me too
[16:14:37] <Jolt2bolt> but i wouldn't like to be her pathner of life, but as a friend it's ok!XD
[16:14:50] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, What language you speak?
[16:15:00] <BugzBunny> japanese?
[16:15:01] <Jolt2bolt> Español!!!!!
[16:15:11] <BugzBunny> That's your screen shot?
[16:15:16] <Jolt2bolt> nope
[16:15:26] <BugzBunny> >.>
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[16:15:33] <BugzBunny> Pics!
[16:15:45] <Jolt2bolt> I say I like the configuration, I didn't say I implemented awesome in my computer yet
[16:15:46] <Jolt2bolt> XDD
[16:16:29] <Jolt2bolt> I'm waiting install mate first and then install awesome as a second desktop!:P
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[16:16:59] <Jolt2bolt> I somwhat understand japanese a like
[16:17:12] <BugzBunny> awesome wm??
[16:17:35] <BugzBunny> OO
[16:17:41] <BugzBunny> I think I understand now
[16:17:42] <Jolt2bolt> and the pronunciation it's similar to spanish so at least I can speak japanese
[16:17:45] <BugzBunny> I was confused
[16:17:53] <BugzBunny> You want that pic?
[16:17:57] <BugzBunny> Well
[16:18:14] <Jolt2bolt> no I want to set a awesome wm desktop like that!:p
[16:18:14] <BugzBunny> Uhh, that's not my thang, because too Unity
[16:18:53] <BugzBunny> Okay, Nah, I don't like it that way for me, it looks nice
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[16:19:29] <BugzBunny> I love Deepin File Manager doh, with LXQT
[16:19:51] <BugzBunny> I would be awersome desktop, but I haven't been on Linux for so ever
[16:20:53] <Jolt2bolt> Jeannie, by the way, did you try the new desktop features of plasma 5.9. I read the implemented a new way of managing the desktop but still experimente so you have to activate it manually yourself... and if you don't like too sorry for you because that's the future of KDE if you want to know about it!XD
[16:21:34] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, i love deepin desktop but I don't use it because that weird ram issue deepin have!:P
[16:21:40] <Jeannie> New way of managing the desktop? Haven't noticed anything like that
[16:22:02] <Jolt2bolt> let's wait, i read they're migrating from gtk3 to qt5
[16:22:36] <Jolt2bolt> Jeannie, is disabled because is in develoment but you can activate it manually and give it a taste of it!:P
[16:22:49] <Jeannie> Got a link for more informations?
[16:23:11] <Jolt2bolt> if that future of KDE scare you, you won't waste the time using KDE and began your searching again!:D
[16:23:41] <Jeannie> I still have a valid Win7 license
[16:23:55] <Jolt2bolt> they made a feature called golbal menus!!:P
[16:24:40] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, Deepin is okay
[16:24:50] <BugzBunny> But LXQT
[16:25:01] <Jolt2bolt> Jeannie, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPL0RFKB_M
[16:25:02] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/GJYyc0] KDE neon - Global menu - Kde Plasma 5.9.90 - YouTube
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[16:25:25] <Jeannie> Ah, the gobal menu crap
[16:25:27] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, you are obsesed with LXQT
[16:25:40] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, I test different DE's
[16:25:44] <Jolt2bolt> maybe I should gave the manjaro LXQT version a try then...
[16:25:54] <BugzBunny> And I like LXQT
[16:26:17] <BugzBunny> LXQT is like Gnome 2 back in the day
[16:26:29] <Jolt2bolt> Jeannie, yeah that... it's the future of KDE!:D
[16:26:38] <BugzBunny> But it's so light, it just doesn't register on my CPU
[16:26:41] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, the same as mate!:P
[16:26:59] <BugzBunny> Dude, I use Mate Mate
[16:27:06] <BugzBunny> nice Pun
[16:27:11] <Jolt2bolt> hahaha
[16:27:19] <BugzBunny> But I find that I like LXQT more
[16:28:01] <Jolt2bolt> yeah i cna't see that
[16:28:19] <Jolt2bolt> I use gtk because most of the apps i'm using is gtk so...
[16:28:59] <helical> BugzBunny: Are you using the manjaro lxqt?
[16:29:18] <Jolt2bolt> unless I change the apps I like to use it's  poinlees to choose qt desktop unless if is REALLY mora stable than GTK but until now it's the same
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[16:29:54] <ringo> if you really wanna use stability, use more a lts type of distro :p
[16:30:00] <Jeannie> GTK3 never has been stable
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[16:30:35] <ringo> qt5 is also not rock solid
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[16:30:51] <Jolt2bolt> ringo, true true
[16:31:08] <ringo> is not what you use, but how you use it
[16:31:22] <Jolt2bolt> ringo, i don't want 100% stability, i refer a somewhat like average stability!:P
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[16:31:44] <Jolt2bolt> that my pc don't freeze doing a simple task.
[16:32:09] <ringo> biggest issue of gtk is just like a rolling release , every milestone
[16:32:17] <BugzBunny> Arch Linux  helical
[16:33:09] <BugzBunny> Manjaro have configurations I don't like... it's just easier to build from the ground up with Arch linux
[16:34:02] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, LXQT, doesn't mean you ned to use Qt apps
[16:34:02] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, so you use arch?
[16:34:12] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, I know
[16:34:40] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor               (3.20GHz) • Memory: 7.9 GiB Total (1.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 859.8 GiB / 931.6 GiB (71.7 GiB Free) • VGA: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics • Uptime: 1d 18h 47m 30s
[16:34:49] <BugzBunny> I am Windows now
[16:34:54] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, I'll download both and see what desktop fits my neeeds!:P
[16:35:18] <Jolt2bolt> windows 10... how it feels to be owned and be agreed with it?XDD
[16:35:46] <BugzBunny> It's 10.35AM
[16:35:57] <BugzBunny> I can Jam to music yes
[16:35:58] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, do you feel the estocolm's syndrome or something like that!XDD
[16:36:02] <BugzBunny> Let me switch to LInux
[16:36:10] <BugzBunny> xD Jolt2bolt
[16:36:15] <BugzBunny> brb
[16:36:18] <Jolt2bolt> oki!XD
[16:37:45] <ringo> Jolt2bolt,  must use haiku-os :
[16:37:48] <ringo> :)
[16:39:17] <Jolt2bolt> ringo, i like how haiku look but the lack of application software keep me away from it!:P
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[16:39:26] <Jolt2bolt> i like the haiku desktop a lot
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[16:39:59] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (7.1 GiB Free) Swap: 6.9 GiB Total (6.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.0 GB / 43.7 GB (33.7 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD9x0/RX980 Host Bridge • Uptime: 1m 22s
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[16:40:37] <BugzBunny> Resuming in non X mode: xdpyinfo not found. For package install advice run: inxi --recommends
[16:40:38] <BugzBunny> CPU~Quad core AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core (-HT-MCP-) speed/max~1400/3200 MHz Kernel~4.8.14-1-zen x86_64 Up~2 min Mem~403.5/7885.2MB HDD~1128.0GB(1.5% used) Procs~190 Client~HexChat 2.12.4 inxi~2.3.8
[16:41:04] <BugzBunny> Quad Core?
[16:41:12] <BugzBunny> Quad Core?
[16:41:26] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, I can install linux but i'm lazy to build it right now!XD
[16:42:14] <BugzBunny> Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
[16:42:37] <BugzBunny> I can install but to lazy to build?
[16:42:56] * BugzBunny tries to compute .. muahaha justalll jilll
[16:43:39] <BugzBunny> Quad Core is 4 core no?
[16:43:46] <BugzBunny> Damn fans
[16:43:52] <BugzBunny> Super loud
[16:44:15] <BugzBunny> Plug in my speakers
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[16:44:25] <Joseph> Depends, a quad core can be hyperthreaded and the OS would "see" 8 cores
[16:44:27] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, I mean i can install the arch but i'm too lazy to built the desktop as i need if manjaro come ready with that!:X
[16:46:15] <Joseph> Indeed, http://www.anandtech.com/show/8864/amd-fx-8320e-cpu-review-the-other-95w-vishera <<< "So the part in play for this review is the 95W AMD FX-8320E, a quad module/eight thread part with a 3.2 GHz base clock and a 4 GHz turbo mode."
[16:46:18] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Qt0mJV] AMD FX-8320E CPU Review: The Other 95W Vishera
[16:46:24] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, Actually awear that my CPU has 4 actual cores with each have 2 Logical Cores
[16:46:32] <BugzBunny> Sorry
[16:46:32] <Joseph> Yes, exactly
[16:46:36] <BugzBunny> I mean, Joseph
[16:46:38] <Joseph> That's what the hyperthreading does
[16:46:48] <Joseph> It adds a logical core per each physical core
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[16:46:59] <Joseph> Two have two logical cores per one physical one
[16:47:01] <Joseph> To*
[16:47:05] <BugzBunny> But AMD Logical Cores is no where near as Intel HyperThreading
[16:47:20] <Joseph> No clue tbh, never really got into CPU comparison
[16:47:25] <Joseph> I just use it
[16:47:25] <Joseph> :D
[16:47:46] <BugzBunny> I did very little research
[16:47:50] <tefter> BugzBunny AMD Bulldozer has two physical cores sharing FPU
[16:47:53] <BugzBunny> I know very little
[16:48:14] <BugzBunny> tefter, It's Piledriver
[16:48:26] <BugzBunny> Iteration
[16:48:28] <tefter> that's same
[16:48:40] <BugzBunny> I mean, they made improvements
[16:48:43] <Jolt2bolt> what about the APUs?
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[16:49:48] <BugzBunny> tefter, It's not
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[16:50:25] <BugzBunny> It's Iteration, as far as FPU, I did very little research, all I know, the die has only 4 actual Cores
[16:51:48] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, APU, I like it, it's good for laptops
[16:51:57] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, FOr desktop
[16:52:35] <BugzBunny> I play to get PSU and some memory chips, to put what I have in my closet into good use
[16:53:13] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (7.1 GiB Free) Swap: 6.9 GiB Total (6.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.0 GB / 43.7 GB (33.7 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD9x0/RX980 Host Bridge • Uptime: 14m 37s
[16:53:17] <BugzBunny> What I have
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[16:54:10] <tefter> it's 8 core but 4 FPU's
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[16:55:06] <Jolt2bolt> BugzBunny, I need a cheap desktop PC or a laptop, are the APU good for a user that require non high demand for graphic and top hardware but a thing that work for playing but not at max quality?
[16:56:09] <NanoSector> Jolt2bolt: yes
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[16:56:59] <BugzBunny> I wouldn't recomemnd APU for Desktop
[16:57:04] <BugzBunny> For a Laptop
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[16:57:21] <NanoSector> APU is nice for low-cost desktops
[16:57:24] <BugzBunny> HP is the only OEM, but HP can break
[16:57:25] <Jolt2bolt> then I'll begin to save money to buy a laptop or a the piece to built a desktop!:P
[16:57:26] <NanoSector> but a Pentium is nicer imo
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[16:58:29] <Jolt2bolt> NanoSector, a pentium CPU? i thought that the pentium processor are like the old celeron version
[16:58:35] <NanoSector> no
[16:58:51] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, For Desktop, go with AMD FX
[16:58:53] <NanoSector> they're i3's without turbo
[16:58:58] <BugzBunny> It's old right now
[16:59:05] <BugzBunny> Or wait for AMD Zen CPU
[16:59:13] <NanoSector> AMD FX requires you take a separate GPU
[16:59:21] <NanoSector> and they eat a lot of power
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[16:59:30] <Jolt2bolt> NanoSector, but why do you think is better that an APU if the GPU that intel have are like crap!:P
[16:59:30] <NanoSector> plus need a decent cooler
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[16:59:41] <NanoSector> Jolt2bolt: they're not that crap
[16:59:45] <BugzBunny> APU just eats just as much power
[16:59:50] <BugzBunny> for Desktop
[17:00:05] <Jeannie> So a CPU and a separate GPU use less power?
[17:00:08] <NanoSector> eats less power if you factor in the GPU
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[17:01:09] <BugzBunny> Depending on the model, AMD APU just eats as much power AMD FX (with better performance) with a dedicated GPU
[17:01:20] <Jolt2bolt> NanoSector, compared to AMD apu?o.o
[17:01:27] <NanoSector> Jolt2bolt: yes
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[17:01:43] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: I highly doubt that, AMD FX are notorious for eating a ton of power
[17:01:54] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.9 GiB Free) Swap: 6.9 GiB Total (6.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.1 GB / 43.7 GB (33.5 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD9x0/RX980 Host Bridge • Uptime: 23m 17s
[17:02:06] <NanoSector> cool, point? :P
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[17:02:14] <BugzBunny> Maybe you didn't know I had AMD A8 7600
[17:02:28] <NanoSector> and?
[17:02:34] <Jolt2bolt> NanoSector, what model of INtel pentium processor do you recommend?
[17:02:43] <BugzBunny> Before that, I had Laptop with AMD A8.. Can't remember the model
[17:02:49] <NanoSector> Jolt2bolt: a Kaby lake model, G4600 or so
[17:02:58] <NanoSector> I think it was G4600
[17:03:02] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, You talking out of your arse, but I still love you
[17:03:14] * BugzBunny runs and hugs NanoSector
[17:03:16] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: what
[17:03:39] <BugzBunny> You don't speak english
[17:03:52] <NanoSector> Jolt2bolt: you could always wait a bit and get an i3, they have faster graphics
[17:04:15] <Jolt2bolt> lol
[17:04:16] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: ok, can you elaborate on that?
[17:04:26] <BugzBunny> Nope
[17:04:36] <BugzBunny> Blue team, spits
[17:04:38] <Joseph> ...
[17:05:18] * BugzBunny is Red Team
[17:05:21] <NanoSector> ok, then mind not insulting me unless you can elaborate on it
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[17:06:01] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, Explain to me when I insulted you? besides you talking about horseshit about AMD
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[17:07:17] <NanoSector> what horseshit?
[17:07:45] <Jolt2bolt> I tend to support amd because if AMD is here, INtel will struggle to improve their products
[17:08:43] <Jolt2bolt> and that's the reason intel don't improve their high gamma of processor since... AMD just bet for mid and low gamma!:P
[17:09:04] <tefter> wait for Zen
[17:09:10] <Jolt2bolt> we need AMD keeps running so intel don't produce crap products!XD
[17:09:16] <NanoSector> Zen seems interesting, yes
[17:09:18] <Jolt2bolt> amd zen?o.o
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[17:09:46] <tefter> Zen in 4 weeks
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[17:10:13] <Jolt2bolt> tefter, i'll wait for zen then!:P
[17:10:31] <Jolt2bolt> I'll go to lunch see you later!:P
[17:10:54] <BugzBunny> Jolt2bolt, I actually like reading you
[17:11:00] <BugzBunny> Enjoy luch
[17:11:06] <BugzBunny> lunch
[17:11:09] <BugzBunny> xD
[17:11:40] <BugzBunny> The price ranges for Zen
[17:11:44] <BugzBunny> We don't know
[17:11:59] <BugzBunny> I will stick with FX for now.. I mean, I don't hate it
[17:12:09] <BugzBunny> I actually like it
[17:12:12] <BugzBunny> with SSD
[17:12:30] <BugzBunny> I like for Budget build
[17:12:51] <BugzBunny> I didn't even OC the CPU, I can imagine
[17:13:10] <BugzBunny> I OC the just the GPU
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[17:14:24] <BugzBunny> But I find myself licking Windows 10 performance
[17:14:32] <BugzBunny> vs APU
[17:14:42] <tefter> Windows 10 is crap
[17:15:00] <tefter> I have it on two laptops
[17:15:00] <BugzBunny> It's your opinion tefter
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[17:15:22] <tefter> thing don't want to update
[17:15:27] <tefter> I did everything
[17:15:33] <tefter> on both laptops
[17:16:10] <BugzBunny> tefter, But imagine the perforamnce in LXQT
[17:16:14] <tefter> no error log nothing just stupid errorcode
[17:16:23] <BugzBunny> xD
[17:16:54] <BugzBunny> tefter, I don't have zero problems with Windows 10
[17:17:07] <BugzBunny> s/zero/any/
[17:17:30] <tefter> It downloaded 16GB in my VM and wrote 40GB to disk in last update
[17:17:55] <tefter> but refuses to update real installs
[17:19:27] <tefter> on laptop check for update lasts for about 30-60 mins and always fails
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[17:19:40] <tefter> during that time no network activity
[17:19:49] <NanoSector> i don't have those issues either right now but did have them in the past
[17:19:54] <BugzBunny> tefter, Sounds like you don't know what you doing with Windows
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[17:20:28] <tefter> what to know on Windows?
[17:20:41] <Joseph> That isn't tefter's fault, Windows is known to do that, its update system is broken
[17:20:41] <tefter> either it works or not
[17:20:45] <BugzBunny> Uh, you don't like, you want to get to know
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[17:21:19] <BugzBunny> Horseshit, just like mhwd have trouble detecting problem video drivers
[17:21:19] <tefter> indication is that same is on both laptops
[17:21:30] <BugzBunny> Come on, I can go back and forth
[17:21:31] <tefter> which eliminates problems from my side
[17:22:23] <BugzBunny> You say Windows do this shit wrong, then I will say that Linux does this wrong
[17:22:27] <tefter> windows udpate troubleshooter does not finds problems on my side either
[17:22:31] <BugzBunny> It's not perfect
[17:22:51] <BugzBunny> I am not as biased as half the room
[17:22:58] <BugzBunny> Towards Windows
[17:22:58] <NanoSector> heh, right
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[17:23:40] <tefter> I hate Windows so much that I buy only Linux games and don't have it installed on main machine
[17:23:48] <Joseph> In Linux if there's an issue, you can actually examine the code and poke devs to eithe fix it or submit a patch yourself. On Windows, if there is a problem, you *are screwed*
[17:23:50] <BugzBunny> tefter, Okay
[17:23:53] <NanoSector> that's your right, tefter
[17:24:01] <BugzBunny> Nah
[17:24:06] <BugzBunny> I respect that
[17:25:00] <BugzBunny> Joseph, Actually, you can do that in Windows, albiet, through third party
[17:25:06] <tefter> MS programmers should work on attitude about error logging at least
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[17:25:12] <tefter> coudl save me a lot of time
[17:25:13] <BugzBunny> But it's not Windows VS Linux for me
[17:25:17] <BugzBunny> I like them both
[17:25:37] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: you cannot do that with windows
[17:25:48] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: have you seen windows's source code?
[17:25:55] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: me neither
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[17:26:02] <BugzBunny> Oh, I mean support, not source code
[17:26:28] <NanoSector> and Joseph meant source code
[17:26:31] <Joseph> ^
[17:26:37] <NanoSector> that you can modify the source code to fix an issue you're having
[17:26:39] <Joseph> I'm talking about closed vs. open-source model
[17:26:45] <Joseph> Even Red Hat provide support
[17:26:46] <NanoSector> now who can't English in this room?
[17:26:48] <Joseph> And their source is open
[17:26:50] <Joseph> That isn't what I mean
[17:27:51] <BugzBunny> I've be arguing this and keep my mouth shut for years
[17:28:25] <BugzBunny> If you think Open Source is better!
[17:28:28] <BugzBunny> SO be it
[17:28:36] <BugzBunny> I like them both
[17:28:38] <NanoSector> you give in to an argument? wow
[17:29:10] <BugzBunny> People mind is set to a view, what you think I am going to accomplish?
[17:29:18] <BugzBunny> I will be wasting my breath
[17:29:23] <NanoSector> pissing everyone off, like you always do
[17:29:49] <BugzBunny> Well, I guess that's what I am doing ^^
[17:29:53] <Joseph> Yes.
[17:29:55] <Joseph> You are.
[17:30:08] <BugzBunny> Alright, so I am fucking am
[17:30:15] <Joseph> Chill out.
[17:30:18] <BugzBunny> Joseph, What now fucking now?
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[17:30:27] <Joseph> <Joseph> Chill out.
[17:30:27] <Joseph> That.
[17:30:28] <BugzBunny> Joseph, Chill out?
[17:30:31] <Joseph> Yea.
[17:30:39] <BugzBunny> Joseph, Make fucking me
[17:30:44] <tefter> i only regret that I didn't bought AMD GPU
[17:30:48] * Joseph sighs.
[17:31:02] <tefter> as I can't play on Wayland with Nvidia right now
[17:31:11] <BugzBunny> Like I give a shit I pissed you off Joseph
[17:31:32] <NanoSector> tefter: GNOME will get NVIDIA Wayland support starting 3.24
[17:31:51] <tefter> great news!
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[17:35:40] <BugzBunny> I've said, you don't like what I say
[17:35:45] <BugzBunny> /ignore
[17:35:50] <BugzBunny> But noooooooooooooooooooooo
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[17:36:47] <NanoSector> except /ignore also exists on your IRC client
[17:37:22] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, Why would I ignore you?
[17:37:34] <NanoSector> i don't know
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[17:38:05] <BugzBunny> Think about that, let it marinate in your brain for few seconds
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[17:38:41] <NanoSector> i'm not spending brain cells on this manner, it's just stupid
[17:39:02] <BugzBunny> How is school work?
[17:39:02] <NanoSector> i think you just need to grow up, get a life, and start giving explanations for your statements, aka arguments
[17:39:15] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, Fine, I won't grow up
[17:39:22] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, Or get a life
[17:39:29] <NanoSector> that's your problem, then
[17:39:42] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, And just deal with my statements as is
[17:39:58] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, Then, you have problem about what I say?
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[17:40:07] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: i'm not the only person
[17:40:19] <BugzBunny> Point them out
[17:40:26] <NanoSector> why? i'm not a snitch
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[17:40:47] <BugzBunny> You act like, many people have problem bothers me
[17:40:50] <BugzBunny> It does not
[17:40:57] <BugzBunny> I will continue
[17:41:12] <NanoSector> and what do you achieve by pissing people off?
[17:41:33] <BugzBunny> Perhaps you haven't got a clue
[17:41:38] <BugzBunny> I do not care
[17:41:43] <Jeannie> Personal statisfaction, the success of the successless
[17:42:08] <NanoSector> Jeannie: i suppose
[17:42:17] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: got a clue about what?
[17:42:26] <BugzBunny> I do not care
[17:42:33] <NanoSector> about?
[17:42:40] <Jeannie> Anything probably
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[17:42:55] <NanoSector> again an unexplained statement
[17:43:08] <NanoSector> unargumented, rather
[17:43:22] <BugzBunny> You say, my agenda is too piss people off, I am telling you, so what and I do not care
[17:43:45] <NanoSector> so you're saying your goal is to piss people off?
[17:44:12] <BugzBunny> Rather, I will piss people off because I will not change
[17:44:38] <Joseph> At a specific point in time, if everyone around you feels antagonized, maybe they aren't the problem.
[17:44:38] <NanoSector> i see that
[17:44:42] <Joseph> Just fod for thought.
[17:44:48] <Joseph> food*
[17:44:48] <NanoSector> Joseph: +1
[17:45:03] * Jeannie waits for the "I do not care" reply
[17:45:05] <BugzBunny> Do not care
[17:45:14] <Joseph> Jeannie: Called it. =)
[17:45:16] <BugzBunny> I not for them, I am for me
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[17:46:51] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: you're in this channel with adults. even if you are just a 11-year-old, start acting like the level of an adult.
[17:47:01] <Jeannie> +1
[17:47:30] <BugzBunny> I will not
[17:47:42] <BugzBunny> And I don't care
[17:47:56] <NanoSector> we know you don't care. we do care though since you're outright ruining the experience for others
[17:48:00] <BugzBunny> hit the /ignore if you don't like what I am saying
[17:48:11] <BugzBunny> Well, then ban me
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[17:48:14] <Jeannie> He has been doing that for hours today
[17:48:21] <NanoSector> Jeannie: not just today
[17:48:21] <Joseph> Hours? He's been doing it for *days*.
[17:48:29] <BugzBunny> Ban me
[17:48:35] <NanoSector> Jeannie: this isn't the first time I've had this discussion with him either
[17:48:42] <BugzBunny> yup
[17:48:44] <BugzBunny> ban me
[17:48:55] <Jeannie> I don't think it's of any use to discuss anything
[17:49:01] <BugzBunny> ban me
[17:49:13] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: we aren't OPs, but we would have done so if we were
[17:49:19] * Jeannie points at the "I don't care" statements
[17:49:30] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, Thank for fucking god, you not OP
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[17:49:41] <BugzBunny> But please ban me
[17:49:42] <Jeannie> People begging to be beaten up....
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[17:49:51] <NanoSector> Jeannie: It's not, i'm just hoping that at some point I'm going to get through
[17:50:08] <Jeannie> I fear that hope is in vain
[17:50:14] <NanoSector> it is.
[17:50:45] <BugzBunny> Reading you guys, I swear, it's almost like I am reading ##chat
[17:50:51] <BugzBunny> TBH
[17:51:26] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, You know, I think you should put me on your ignore list
[17:51:52] <Jeannie> I think an op should remove you from thsi channel
[17:52:03] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, So we enemies?
[17:52:37] <NanoSector> who cares if you are enemies or not
[17:52:38] <Jeannie> No, I wont waste any energy on someone like you. We're not in a kindergarten here
[17:52:41] <NanoSector> that's just childish
[17:52:55] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, So, we not enemies?
[17:53:23] <Jeannie> I dont care what I am for you
[17:53:45] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, Are we enemies?
[17:54:09] <Jeannie> You sound like a broken record
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[17:54:40] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, If we are enemies, I won't speak to you again, fuck me getting pissed people calling you fucking troll
[17:54:55] <NanoSector> I think it's sad that we have to have a discussion about morality and being nice to each other in a channel about a Linux distro
[17:54:56] <BugzBunny> We fucking even as far as fuck care
[17:55:02] <BugzBunny> We enemies?
[17:56:10] <helical> it is sad
[17:56:34] <BugzBunny> If me and Jeannie is enemies.. I won't highlight Jeannie
[17:56:51] <NanoSector> who fucking cares if you're fucking enemies
[17:56:57] * Jeannie turns off highlighting notifications
[17:56:59] <NanoSector> build a sandcastle and bury yourself in it
[17:57:03] <mtn_> the worst thing about this channel is no ops and the number of clueless idiots like bugsbrain
[17:57:08] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, Apparently you care
[17:57:25] <BugzBunny> shariebeth, ban me
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[17:57:59] <shariebeth> Wouldn't it simply be easier to leave the channel?
[17:58:04] <BugzBunny> Nope
[17:58:09] <BugzBunny> Just ban me
[17:58:09] <mnemonic> Exactly. The purpose of this channel is to discuss Manjaro, please keep your focus on this.
[17:58:16] <BugzBunny> Nope
[17:58:19] <BugzBunny> ban me
[17:58:28] <BugzBunny> They want it
[17:59:20] <mnemonic> We respect everyone, we just ask to stay focused
[17:59:52] <BugzBunny> We, you on Manjaro team or you just on the access list?
[18:00:17] <mnemonic> everyone...
[18:00:26] <BugzBunny> I am asking you!
[18:00:43] <BugzBunny> You on Majaro team or you on the access list?
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[18:01:49] <BugzBunny> ban
[18:01:55] <BugzBunny> later folks
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[18:03:08] <mnemonic> Nobody wants trouble with you, just respect people and be polite, you are always welcome
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[18:03:30] <MrLawrence> Hello how should I install flash in Manjaro?
[18:03:35] <BugzBunny> mnemonic, Timestamp when I wasn't being respectful?
[18:03:48] <MrLawrence> do I just install Adobe flash from the tar.gz or is there a package in the repos / AUR ?
[18:03:50] <NanoSector> hi MrLawrence, try the flashplugin package in the repos for Firefox, or pepper-flash in the AUR
[18:04:03] <NanoSector> pepper-flash is for Chromium-based browsers
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[18:04:12] <Joseph> MrLawrence: See https://forum.manjaro.org/t/how-to-install-flash-player-on-manjaro-linux-to-work-with-firefox/2091
[18:04:13] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/gAdxvK] How to install Flash Player on Manjaro Linux (To work with Firefox) - Manjaro
[18:05:37] <karenmcd> hey folks, I'm migrating from Intel G33 (IPIBL-LB Benicia mobo from HP) to Intel X99 (Taichi mobo from ASRock)... should I be able to just swap out the mobo/cpu/ram and it'll boot as it did when i migrated from a Pentium 4 chipset about a year ago?
[18:06:21] <NanoSector> hey karenmcd, it should, yes :) all drivers should be in place
[18:06:35] <NanoSector> karenmcd: just make sure to enable UEFI-CSM if it isn't enabled by default
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[18:06:54] <karenmcd> kewl, i'll see you in an hour or so and let ya know how it worked out (you're refering to bios settings right? :p)
[18:07:02] <NanoSector> karenmcd: yep :)
[18:07:18] <karenmcd> yeah, okay - CSM - i'll try and remember that lol
[18:07:27] <NanoSector> Compatiblity Support Module
[18:07:31] <NanoSector> CSM for short
[18:07:34] <karenmcd> oh, that makes sense
[18:07:35] <karenmcd> okay
[18:07:38] <NanoSector> it allows booting of BIOS disks
[18:07:41] <NanoSector> (on UEFI)
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[18:07:52] <karenmcd> yeah, UEFI is BS (just got around it on my older laptop)
[18:08:01] <NanoSector> it's nice once you know the benefits
[18:08:05] <karenmcd> just another way for them to track you
[18:08:16] <karenmcd> ^_^
[18:08:20] <NanoSector> oh it doesn't have history or internet connectivity ;)
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[18:08:56] <karenmcd> no, but it identifies your hardware as being very specific to 1 machine, creating sort of a digital fingerprint
[18:09:00] <Joseph> UEFI is indeed a pain in the neck. Installing Linux on some of those systems is impossible
[18:09:20] <NanoSector> karenmcd: sure, but you could do that with BIOS too :P
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[18:09:29] <Jeannie> UEFI actually has internet access
[18:09:29] <NanoSector> anyway, go ahead and try it out. it should work.
[18:09:43] <tefter> that's because manufacturers test for specific os and won't boot anything else...
[18:09:46] <Jeannie> For "remote service" purposes
[18:09:50] <karenmcd> right, yeah, i'll let ya'll know either way
[18:09:55] <NanoSector> Jeannie: that's Intel's chipset at work for you
[18:10:58] * Jeannie pets her old BIOS machines
[18:11:00] <karenmcd> does manjaro have a security culture channel/thread? i'd love to chat more about that in the appropriate room :p
[18:11:03] <NanoSector> my laptop's UEFI has no internet access :) it doesn't know about WiFi and it has no ethernet port so yeah
[18:11:04] <BugzBunny> <Joseph> UEFI is indeed a pain in the neck. Installing Linux on some of those systems is impossible
[18:11:29] <BugzBunny> Joseph, What systems with what BIOS?
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[18:11:53] <tefter> eg my new acer laptop
[18:11:58] <tefter> won't boot Linux
[18:12:24] <tefter> so I had to boot Linux via Windows
[18:12:27] <karenmcd> HP elitebook 6930 (UEFI was still in alpha/beta at that point) - I still cannot boot manjaro without a livedistro in the optical drive
[18:12:29] <BugzBunny> I read complaints about ACER in this Channel
[18:12:40] <NanoSector> tefter: hmm, you can disable secure boot on that
[18:12:43] <BugzBunny> That's a MFG and BIOS problem
[18:12:56] <NanoSector> tefter: set a BIOS password, disable secure boot, then set a new, blank BIOS password
[18:12:56] <tefter> no secure boot
[18:13:02] <NanoSector> oh?
[18:13:07] <Joseph> What?
[18:13:09] <Joseph> No Secure Boot?
[18:13:15] <tefter> laptop came with Linux preinstalled
[18:13:25] <Joseph> What do you mean it won't boot Linux then
[18:13:26] <tefter> but seems that they want specific version
[18:13:42] <tefter> it won't boot Manjaro
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[18:13:54] <NanoSector> tefter: do you get any errors?
[18:14:06] <tefter> no it just goes to Windows always
[18:14:10] <Joseph> What???
[18:14:14] <Joseph> You're not making sense
[18:14:22] <Joseph> You said it came with Linux preinstalled
[18:14:25] <NanoSector> tefter: hmm, can't you change the boot order?
[18:14:26] <Joseph> But then it won't boot linux
[18:14:33] <Joseph> now you said it goes to Windows...?
[18:14:36] * Joseph confused.
[18:14:40] <NanoSector> he might've changed it to Windows
[18:14:40] <tefter> yes, but I wiped Linux and installed Windows 10
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[18:14:46] <tefter> then Manjaro
[18:14:50] <Joseph> Why oh why would you do that O.O
[18:15:06] <tefter> because my wife has thing for Windows
[18:15:10] <Joseph> I see
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[18:15:20] <karenmcd> lol, im getting sucked into this chat - but not ... i'll be back and tell you how i made out with x99 migration - thanks for the info NanoSector
[18:15:25] <BugzBunny> tefter, I can't help but to be naughty
[18:15:38] <NanoSector> karenmcd: good luck
[18:15:39] <BugzBunny> tefter> because my wife has thing for Windows
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[18:15:46] <BugzBunny> tefter, She cheating
[18:15:52] <tefter> yeah
[18:16:30] <tefter> I think that Lennovo got caught as well, they searched for Red Hat and Windows only
[18:16:43] <Joseph> Anyway it's possible Windows 10 did something screwy and is trying to "prevent" anything else from getting loaded (it enabled fast booting and other stuff that checks for other boot options)
[18:16:55] <jarrro> tefter: Hey, it's much easier to use a second SSD for Linux (instead of "dual booting" on 1 SSD)
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[18:17:10] <tefter> yeah but I looked up Arch wiki and made Windows load Manjaro
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[18:17:20] <Joseph> From a VM or what do you mean?
[18:17:27] <tefter> no
[18:17:30] <tefter> bare metal
[18:17:43] <tefter> Windows can be made to point anything on uefi partition
[18:17:58] <Joseph> Oh I see what you mean, you made Windows bootstrap Manjaro
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[18:18:10] <tefter> taht's right
[18:18:44] <BugzBunny> Yes
[18:18:56] <BugzBunny> Windows Bootloader can boot Linux
[18:19:06] <BugzBunny> I've done a few times before
[18:19:23] <BugzBunny> At least after Windows 7
[18:19:28] <gawd> Ahoy !!
[18:20:19] <jarrro> BugzBunny: yes, it's possible to dual-boot, but M$ really wants to make it hard for us  :(
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[18:20:37] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.8 GiB Free) Swap: 6.9 GiB Total (6.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.3 GB / 43.7 GB (33.4 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD9x0/RX980 Host Bridge • Uptime: 1h 42m 1s
[18:20:42] <BugzBunny> Not hard hear
[18:20:45] <tefter> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ManjaroLinux "Fringilla" 16.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHz (3.98GHz) • Memory: Physical: 30.7 GiB Total (22.9 GiB Free) Swap: 31.2 GiB Total (31.2 GiB Free) • Storage: 3.8 TB / 7.9 TB (4.1 TB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 2d 18h 39m 16s
[18:20:53] <BugzBunny> You peam OEM machines
[18:20:53] <jarrro> BugzBunny: SSD's are super cheap now anyway,
[18:21:02] <BugzBunny> you mean OEM*
[18:21:40] <BugzBunny> It's about about warranty most of the time
[18:22:08] <BugzBunny> And the System is not designed for LInux on Blueprint
[18:24:05] <BugzBunny> tefter, I am on red team but curiosity, hows the 750?
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[18:25:03] <tefter> 750ti got reclocking support form nouveau in 4.10
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[18:25:41] <tefter> what I like about it is that is low power
[18:26:05] <BugzBunny> Custom build?
[18:26:10] <tefter> no
[18:26:17] <tefter> I bought complete setup
[18:26:18] <BugzBunny> HP, Dell?
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[18:26:25] <tefter> custom, yes but I havent built it
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[18:26:36] <tefter> custom from shop built
[18:26:43] <BugzBunny> k
[18:26:49] <BugzBunny> Yeah, how much ?
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[18:26:58] <tefter> 1200 euros
[18:27:21] <BugzBunny> My jaw dropped
[18:27:39] <BugzBunny> My system, ~400USD
[18:28:24] <BugzBunny> tefter, like no women on IRC is like people on IRC is poor
[18:28:55] <tefter> well I live on Linux programming ;p
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[18:31:22] <BugzBunny> reminds me
[18:31:34] <BugzBunny> I have to $140 my internet
[18:31:40] <BugzBunny> I for got to pay last month
[18:32:39] <jarrro> hey, does anyone know why EXT4 "metadata checksums" are not enabled by default, in Manjaro?
[18:32:45] <jarrro> https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums
[18:32:48] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/rcu4Ee] Ext4 Metadata Checksums - Ext4
[18:32:53] <jarrro> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ext4#Enabling_metadata_checksums
[18:32:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/xz1CVb] Ext4 - ArchWiki
[18:33:28] <jarrro> i saw they just added it in Ubuntu 16.10, also it is in newer Debians
[18:33:51] <jarrro> are there any downsides to enabling EXT4 "metadata checksums"?
[18:34:59] <BugzBunny> I haven't heard of that
[18:35:16] <BugzBunny> EXT4 should be transparent
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[18:35:46] <jarrro> BugzBunny: what do u mean "transparent"?
[18:36:25] <gawd> How do you make the scroll bar bigger ??
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[18:38:57] <roch_> pump it a bit ;)
[18:39:10] <BugzBunny> jarrro, Like I said, I haven't heard of that option, I have EXT4, I don't need enable any options
[18:39:28] <BugzBunny> But it seems you asking, how to secure data?
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[18:41:22] <jarrro> it "metadata checksumming" helps secure data more, yes:  from the ext4.wiki:  " it is still quite possible for data to be corrupted on disk, corrupted during transfer over a wire, or written to the wrong places. To protect against this sort of non-hostile corruption, it is desirable to store checksums of metadata objects on the filesystem to preven
[18:41:22] <jarrro> t broken metadata from shredding the filesystem. "
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[18:43:22] <gawd> How do I change the password and wether its required for loading ??
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[18:44:02] <Strit_Laptop> gawd: in user settings for password change. Display manager settings for autologin.
[18:44:34] <BugzBunny> jarrro, you make the decision
[18:44:56] * BugzBunny prepares to play Dead Space 2
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[18:45:28] <BugzBunny> This Kernel doesn't have the HDMI drivers for AUDIO
[18:45:32] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.8 GiB Free) Swap: 6.9 GiB Total (6.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.4 GB / 43.7 GB (33.3 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD9x0/RX980 Host Bridge • Uptime: 2h 6m 56s
[18:45:38] <BugzBunny> I need to switch to Windows
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[18:46:50] <gawd> I searched for "user settings" and found nothing
[18:47:04] <Strit_Laptop> gawd: what DE?
[18:47:28] <gawd> XFCE I believe..
[18:47:59] <Strit_Laptop> Open Manjaro Settings Manager. Choose User Accounts (or something like that) and edit your user. :)
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[18:48:42] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor               (3.20GHz) • Memory: 7.9 GiB Total (5.7 GiB Free) • Storage: 852.5 GiB / 931.6 GiB (79.0 GiB Free) • VGA: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics • Uptime: 2m 22s
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[18:50:06] <roch_> or open terminal and type passwd
[18:50:48] <Strit_Laptop> also a possibility
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[18:51:33] <nohitall> I just freshly installed latest stable version, hit update button and already dependency cycle and errors
[18:51:36] <gawd> I dont see it..
[18:51:40] <nohitall> seriously? :D
[18:51:52] <Strit_Laptop> nohitall: what errors?
[18:52:16] <Strit_Laptop> dependency cycles are not errors, just info.
[18:52:22] <nohitall> oh
[18:52:28] <nohitall> sounded like dep issue to me
[18:52:54] <Strit_Laptop> It's just mentioning that some package gets updated/installed before it's dependency.
[18:53:07] <nohitall> well I'll see if laptop still boots after update
[18:53:26] <nohitall> otherwise manjaro seems nice so far, only issue is that mirrors seem slow, gotta adjust that I guess
[18:53:58] <Strit_Laptop> nohitall: It uses default mirror in germany I think. You can rank mirrors by ping speed with "sudo pacman-mirrors -g"
[18:54:27] <nohitall> Strit_Laptop: thanks
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[18:54:34] <nohitall> Strit_Laptop: thats a big help
[18:54:38] <Strit_Laptop> np
[18:54:41] <nohitall> coz I got 100mbit and got 100kb/s
[18:55:02] <nohitall> not fun to do a Syu with 850mb to fetch
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[18:55:54] <BugzBunny> nohitall, Did you do pacman-mirrors 0g
[18:55:55] <Strit_Laptop> yeah. I sometimes forget to rank.
[18:55:58] <void9> nohitall: did you select mirrors from your conuntry ?
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[18:56:33] <BugzBunny> Manjaro is not Google, and the servers are volunteered
[18:56:45] <BugzBunny> Payed my bill
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[18:56:51] <BugzBunny> Now to order Dominos
[18:57:25] <Ododo> How can i list the WM and desktop env. that i have installed on my system ?
[18:57:34] <Ododo> from bash
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[18:58:15] <Jolt2bolt> Ododo, screenfetch?
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[18:58:33] <Jolt2bolt> i think that is the software you're looking for
[18:58:50] <Ododo> i mean all of the env
[18:58:56] <Ododo> not just the one i' am using
[18:59:11] <Ododo> like in the login screen =)
[18:59:14] <Strit_Laptop> Ododo: don't think there's a single command for that. :)
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[18:59:34] <Jolt2bolt> Ododo, that seems hard because they mostly show the DE or WM you're running
[18:59:47] <nohitall> well its fine now after -g
[19:00:04] <nohitall> im happy everything works out of the box
[19:00:15] <Strit_Laptop> Great to hear
[19:00:21] <Jolt2bolt> Ododo, like Strit_Laptop said Ithink such command of software exists!:P
[19:00:30] <nohitall> well its a older thinkpad, not too surprising
[19:00:33] <Ododo> but ssdm does that :(
[19:01:21] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, that's the only reason i use manjaro. I like arch but I'm lazy to configure and build the system from a TTY and antergos don't works, archbang use openbox so...
[19:01:23] <Jolt2bolt> XDDD
[19:01:26] <Strit_Laptop> Ododo: yeah. It's defined by sessions. How it does it, I don't know, you'd have to look at it's source code for that
[19:01:51] <Ododo> :/ thanks anyway =)
[19:01:56] <Jolt2bolt> Ododo, ssdm do what?
[19:02:01] <nohitall> Jolt2bolt: I alwys used archbang, I have to configure openbox on manjaro,but archbang is kindof dead and the latest isos they produced were all problematic
[19:02:16] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, really?
[19:02:16] <nohitall> I live of terminal, xfce is already a waste of resources
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[19:02:22] <nohitall> Jolt2bolt: yea unfortuantely
[19:02:29] <Ododo> Jolt2bolt: i think it's ssdm who handle the login screen
[19:02:45] <Ododo> where i can choose the env. to start
[19:02:55] <nohitall> I'll copy over my ob/tint2 configs and done
[19:03:21] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, too bad, I love Openbox set up but I don't have the time to set it up and I would like to use awesome wm or I3 but if I don't have the time to set up openbox, enven less I have the time to a tiling WM setup!XD
[19:04:03] <nohitall> Jolt2bolt: well all I care about is my standard key shortcuts,can have that in xfce too
[19:04:09] <Jolt2bolt> Ododo, I think manjaro mostly use lightdm as a login manager... if you're using XFCE, then is probably you have lightdm
[19:04:21] <Strit_Laptop> kde uses sddm
[19:04:26] <Ododo> i installed kde
[19:04:26] <nohitall> hm havent checked yet if webcam works though
[19:04:42] <Ododo> than i quit kde for sway
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[19:04:45] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, you can have that in almost any DE or WM, you just have to learn how to setup!:P
[19:04:57] <Jolt2bolt> I learn to do it in openbox!:P
[19:05:21] <nohitall> we are all lazy
[19:05:30] <Jolt2bolt> Ododo, I know how lightdm work but sddm... no idea
[19:05:32] <Jolt2bolt> !XDD
[19:05:40] <nohitall> I nearled installed mint
[19:05:46] <nohitall> but then found manjaro as arch based
[19:05:52] <nohitall> so guess works for me
[19:06:04] <BugzBunny> Ordered Pizza
[19:06:06] <BugzBunny> Now
[19:06:13] <nohitall> how is stability on the rolling release?
[19:06:16] <BugzBunny> I wait
[19:06:21] <nohitall> well stupid question..same as arch
[19:06:42] <Jolt2bolt> hahahaha
[19:06:44] <BugzBunny> You asked a good question, the question is, when a problem happens
[19:06:47] <Jolt2bolt> yeah kind of
[19:06:53] <BugzBunny> Are you prepared to fix it?
[19:07:08] <nohitall> I remember with arch, regular updates all ok, longtime no update -> meeh
[19:07:18] <BugzBunny> I guess that's a no
[19:07:27] <nohitall> BugzBunny: I aint go no time
[19:07:39] <Jolt2bolt> bah but the day of weird bugs passed away. Even in arch is wierd to find a bug
[19:07:41] <Jolt2bolt> :P
[19:07:52] <BugzBunny> Shit happens
[19:07:56] <nohitall> yea well back in the day you did a Syu and suddenly eveyrthing went down the drain
[19:07:58] <nohitall> :D
[19:08:05] <nohitall> but that was before 2012
[19:08:05] <Jolt2bolt> but now as often as years ago
[19:08:06] <Jolt2bolt> :P
[19:08:09] <BugzBunny> But Mostly, it works, but SHit happens
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[19:08:21] <Jolt2bolt> not*
[19:08:30] <Jolt2bolt> but not as often as years ago*
[19:08:34] <BugzBunny> No
[19:08:48] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, you are a arch user from that days? me too
[19:08:50] <nohitall> wonder if I should install tlp or just leave as it is, manjaro seems to have some battery managment?
[19:09:08] <nohitall> Jolt2bolt: im using arch since...crunchbang dieded
[19:09:13] <BugzBunny> It happens, me being here for MONTHS, I can with left hand on the bible and my right hand in the air
[19:09:16] <nohitall> which was before debian 6
[19:09:16] <BugzBunny> Shit happens
[19:10:00] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, I used it like it come and it's a fine power management. I would disable the xflock because it have a weird bug when the system hibernate of suspend. You can replace it with the i3locker!:Dç
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[19:10:13] <nohitall> oh suspend is good idea, gotta test that
[19:10:19] <nohitall> I really need it, I never shutdown laptop
[19:10:25] <BugzBunny> My advice, learn how to diagnoses, debug, and solv
[19:10:27] <nohitall> I think my old one has uptime of nearly a year
[19:10:35] <Jolt2bolt> of course if you are using XFCE!:P
[19:10:53] <Jolt2bolt> only xfce have that problem!:P
[19:11:06] <nohitall> well I'll test it once Syu finished
[19:11:18] <nohitall> be brightness levels work,thats a big win already
[19:12:05] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, well with XFCE almost works out of the box already
[19:12:36] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, it is one of the few desktop i've seen all working without making some tweaks!:D
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[19:13:12] <nohitall> good rebooted fine
[19:13:27] <Jolt2bolt> yay
[19:13:49] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, you need to try a tiling WM if you're a fan of cli!:P
[19:13:49] <nohitall> the terminal colors are an insult to my eyes though *g*
[19:14:07] <nohitall> k now suspend test
[19:14:09] <Jolt2bolt> maybe the i3 manjaro version. It's so nice!:D
[19:14:48] <nohitall> suspend works too
[19:14:57] <nohitall> nice nice
[19:15:37] <BugzBunny> Terminal Emulator?
[19:15:42] <BugzBunny> or TTY?
[19:16:05] <nohitall> wonder if I should switch to 4.9 kenrel
[19:16:21] <nohitall> doubt will do anything for me with that old hardware
[19:16:28] <BugzBunny> [13:13:46] <nohitall> the terminal colors are an insult to my eyes though *g*
[19:16:30] <Jolt2bolt> i said a fan of CLI (command Line Interface), that's mean it apply to a TTY user or a Terminal Emulator user!:P
[19:16:50] <nohitall> well who selected this poison green as a default ;p
[19:16:52] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, if your hardware is old stay with LTS!:P
[19:16:53] <nohitall> and transparency meh
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[19:17:10] <nohitall> I install my fav stuff anyway
[19:17:19] <BugzBunny> nohitall, Terminal Emulator or TTY?
[19:17:24] <Jolt2bolt> i love the arc theme!:D
[19:17:44] <Jolt2bolt> I can use both, but I prefer Termina Emulator!:D
[19:18:03] <nohitall> that terminal emulator I meant
[19:18:04] <BugzBunny> If you don't know, if you in GUI, and Konsole, etc etc.. You can change the colors
[19:18:13] <nohitall> I know ;)
[19:18:19] <nohitall> I'll install terminator though, more used to it
[19:18:24] <nohitall> and openbox
[19:18:27] <BugzBunny> my fav
[19:18:31] <Jolt2bolt> anyway , all GNU/linux user are TTY users, because the graphic enviroment run though a TTY!:P
[19:18:33] <BugzBunny> I luv Terminator
[19:18:40] <nohitall> yea me too
[19:18:53] <Jolt2bolt> I like guake and sakura
[19:18:56] <Jolt2bolt> :D
[19:18:58] <nohitall> was the default with archbang iirc
[19:19:15] <BugzBunny> I find myself in Terno idea
[19:19:23] <BugzBunny> sorry
[19:19:26] <BugzBunny> no idea
[19:19:55] <nohitall> k I need a new hard drive
[19:19:59] <BugzBunny> Yakuake uses Konsole, Guake, I think it's own Terminal Emualtor
[19:20:05] <nohitall> that ATA error log damn
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[19:21:23] <navtuts> I just installed Manjaro linlux. looking very good. Thanks for your efforts.
[19:21:59] <Jolt2bolt> there was a more simple one TE but more easy of configure than RXVT
[19:22:10] <Jolt2bolt> I forgot their name...
[19:22:11] <nohitall> is there a screenshot tool installed by default?
[19:22:13] <nohitall> before I install one
[19:22:27] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, XFCE have one
[19:22:49] <Jolt2bolt> just open the start menu and write screenshot
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[19:23:29] <nohitall> yea found it, thx
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[19:26:08] <Jolt2bolt> nohitall, did you tried termite? it's like rxvt-unicode but more easy to configure!:D
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[19:28:34] <grayskull> hi
[19:28:35] <grayskull> xD
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[19:35:07] <BugzBunny> I can't wait for my Dominos Pizza
[19:35:33] <BugzBunny> Last time I ordered, I had to Wait 3 hours after it was cooked
[19:35:49] <BugzBunny> Then, I had take the train to pick it up
[19:35:53] <grayskull> BugzBunnyer!
[19:36:11] <BugzBunny> I hope then don't fuck up this time!
[19:36:21] <BugzBunny> grayskull, Yo!
[19:36:30] <grayskull> EHyeahehAhEAh bro.
[19:37:02] <BugzBunny> You want my voice video respond for that response on youtube?
[19:37:15] <grayskull> eh not sure about this one..
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[19:37:38] <grayskull> define "video respond"
[19:37:50] <grayskull> u mean "response" on /manjaro/dev/resp
[19:38:06] <grayskull> ok use cat /dev/null > /usr/megaendios
[19:38:08] <grayskull> jk
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[19:38:21] <BugzBunny> grayskull, [13:36:26] <grayskull> EHyeahehAhEAh bro., I post video response instead of commenting
[19:38:27] <grayskull> joke
[19:38:28] <grayskull> jajajajj
[19:38:29] <grayskull> ok
[19:38:33] <grayskull> we dont care :P
[19:38:47] <archetech> why no plasma 5.90 in testing ?
[19:38:50] <BugzBunny> Who is WE?
[19:39:00] * BugzBunny looks at the room
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[19:41:16] <grayskull> you tuf i llo
[19:41:23] <grayskull> 'r'
[19:41:27] <grayskull> brb peew peew
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[19:43:26] <BugzBunny> Let me do a video session on youtube
[19:43:33] <BugzBunny> got my dominos
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[19:57:40] <Jolt2bolt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cml78dSpVGo
[19:57:42] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/r7AiLP] Cartoon Donald Trump Has A Few Thoughts For Australia - YouTube
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[20:24:18] <QuestionForYou> how do i set up a proxy?
[20:24:39] <Joseph> QuestionForYou: a proxy server on a manjaro install, or connect to a proxy from Manjaro?
[20:24:49] <QuestionForYou> connect to one
[20:25:29] <Joseph> QuestionForYou: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/proxy_settings <<< I would create a bash function to turn environment variables on or off as I desired
[20:25:30] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/BpLn37] Proxy settings - ArchWiki
[20:26:07] <QuestionForYou> the problem is that I already did all that but for some reason it doesn't work
[20:26:22] <Joseph> QuestionForYou: what does "it doesn't work" mean? What happens?
[20:26:48] <QuestionForYou> well it is the subject, doesn't is does not, and work is the verb
[20:27:00] <QuestionForYou> what exactly did you not comprehend? do you speak English?
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[20:27:12] <mtn_> oh boy
[20:27:39] <Joseph> QuestionForYou: it would serve you well not to act like a brat.
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[20:28:01] <QuestionForYou> well why are you asking asinine questions?
[20:28:23] <Joseph> How do you expect us to help you to diagnose your problems if you don't tell us the exact symptoms?
[20:28:34] <mtn_> I guess he really doesn't want or need help.
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[20:29:09] <badbodh> i've used proxy servers all my life. how hard can it be ?
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[20:29:16] <QuestionForYou> mtn_: that isn't the problem. the problem is whenever i come in, just like my first time in here the last time i was around, this guy gets in my face with a bunch of stupid questions
[20:29:43] <Joseph> Asking questions to help someone is getting in someone's face? What the fuck are you even smoking?
[20:30:00] <QuestionForYou> see? this kind of language is unacceptable in a support channel
[20:30:05] <QuestionForYou> he gets feisty for no reason at all
[20:30:07] <mtn_> QuestionForYou: asking for details is not stupid. being rude to the folks trying to help IS stupid, though
[20:30:08] <badbodh> he meant to ask "how are you determining if the proxy is working or not"
[20:30:15] <helical> QuestionForYou: what's the error message?
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[20:30:40] <helical> let's not argue, but try to rephrase your question so it's not so asinine
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[20:31:04] <badbodh> mtn_, there is an elaborate thread about setting up proxy with/without authentication in forum
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[20:31:16] <QuestionForYou> well, i try to use pacman to update the system, but even with the environment variables set to the proxy, it doesn't use the proxy
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[20:31:39] <Joseph> QuestionForYou: Because pacman requires sudo, and to use sudo through those variables you need to modify your sudoers file
[20:31:46] <badbodh> he can figure it out, several methods have been provided
[20:32:11] <QuestionForYou> ...
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[20:32:24] <QuestionForYou> is that a serious suggestion? i need to modify my what now?
[20:32:26] <badbodh> aye, keepenv += brains
[20:32:31] <Joseph> Your sudoers file
[20:32:51] <Joseph> You know, it's in the link I pasted to you when you came in before you bit my head off.
[20:33:03] <badbodh> Joseph, you're very kind to keep helping this cunt so politely
[20:33:20] <Joseph> Oh, that's going to change very shortly.
[20:33:23] <helical> bad badbodh bad!
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[20:33:56] <QuestionForYou> i'm a "cunt"?
[20:33:58] <QuestionForYou> the hell?
[20:34:04] <QuestionForYou> why is this kind of language acceptable here?
[20:34:10] <helical> QuestionForYou: yeah check that link, make sure that sudo commands are using the env variables
[20:34:12] <billo> becoz its not skool
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[20:34:24] <helical> good luck
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[20:34:53] <QuestionForYou> why is everybody so aggressive here?
[20:35:15] <helical> we're just really tough guys
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[20:35:21] <Joseph> QuestionForYou: You came in, asked a question, got help, and bit our freaking head off. You do not get to ask that question to us.
[20:35:22] <helical> work out all the time
[20:35:38] <QuestionForYou> ok seriously what is your problem joseph?
[20:35:46] <billo> he miss his sister
[20:35:47] <billo> :P
[20:35:52] <Joseph> You know what, read the fucking link, I am done talking to you.
[20:36:00] <badbodh> i'm afraid you're the one acting like a cunt
[20:36:15] <QuestionForYou> and there's this other guy again :-S
[20:36:19] <QuestionForYou> why am i being insulted
[20:36:27] <badbodh> we have used linux for a decade more than your life span at least
[20:36:46] <helical> you did start it, by freaking out when someone asked what exactly wasn't working
[20:36:57] <badbodh> because you were being rude
[20:37:18] <QuestionForYou> you guys don't get it, joseph was an ass to me the last time i was in here as well
[20:37:32] <billo> may be he likes u
[20:37:41] <billo> think positive
[20:37:46] <helical> his sister is going through a hard time
[20:37:46] <billo> LP
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[20:38:04] <helical> he's a little on  edge, but he did send you the proper docs to solve your problem
[20:38:13] <badbodh> helical, his sister wasn't being rude to us, stop bringing her into this
[20:38:20] <QuestionForYou> exactly, joseph is on edge
[20:38:21] <QuestionForYou> see?
[20:38:24] <karenmcd> NanoSector still kickin it in here?
[20:38:24] <helical> if you have a more specific issue, pls come back
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[20:38:53] <QuestionForYou> i'l be back in a while
[20:39:08] <inahd> QuestionForYou, no rush ;)
[20:39:11] <billo> bye joseph will be missing u
[20:39:25] <badbodh> ^ it means sod off, politely
[20:39:33] <QuestionForYou> hey joseph here's a pro tip, stop jumping on peoples throats all the time, attitudes like yours is what gives the Linux community a bad name
[20:39:33] <helical> I've got a QuestionForYou, everything ok at home?
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[20:40:11] <badbodh> Joseph, ignore this prick. let him use something besides manjaro
[20:40:20] <karenmcd> Well fyi: I just migrated from Intel G33 (IPIBL-LB Benicia mobo from HP) to Intel X99 (Taichi mobo from ASRock)... I didn't even need to change bios settings (although I did after first boot to kill the overclocking that's auto configured)
[20:40:40] <inahd> my stupid mousepad seems to act up randomly. like bouncing around selecting stuff all by itself .
[20:40:47] <karenmcd> It booted like normal, and everything seems to be working alright
[20:40:55] * badbodh pokes NanoSector's corpse with a butt-stick
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[20:42:23] <karenmcd> just gonna try SC2 on it see if it stays stable... be back soon! :D
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[20:51:53] <inahd>  stone-soup-git. thought i was being clever to install it but its got graphics problems for me.
[20:53:01] <rhg135> Yo yo yo
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[20:57:42] <inahd> apparently xinput disable/enable corrects my mouse problem thankfully, good to know
[20:58:22] <Joseph> badbodh: I was actually grepping logs, I had forgotten all about him. someone with his nickname was in here some days ago with the same crap lol
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[20:59:06] <badbodh> same crap some days ago! dear me, flush and buttwipe pronto!
[20:59:15] <Joseph> lol
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[21:00:59] <inahd> i have just insulted you, whats the problem?
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[21:02:23] <mike-zal> if someone likes openbox, there is manjaro with openbox=mabox https://forum.manjaro.org/t/mabox-linux-17-02-manjaro-re-spin-with-openbox-is-ready/16886
[21:02:24] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/OTi2YV] Mabox Linux 17.02 - manjaro re-spin with Openbox is ready - Support for Community Editions - Manjaro
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[21:03:11] <rhg135> I'm sometimes ashamed to be here; jerk users are annoying sure, but doesn't mean reciprocate
[21:03:23] <badbodh> inahd, your insult needs to be harsher
[21:03:49] <inahd> ok, i'll be back later ;)
[21:04:14] <badbodh> i don;t reciprocate, i retaliate with tenfold vengeance, fury of hell and wrath of seven gods
[21:05:05] <gawd> Bose have good support on Linux ??
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[21:05:20] <Joseph> mike-zal: yeah I got a chance to speak to them in the Polish channel before, nice stuff
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[21:06:26] <mike-zal> today we have a crowd on a polish channel ;P
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[21:08:19] <badbodh> i'd love to gas them, with my cute farts! <3
[21:08:30] <Joseph> ...
[21:08:35] <Joseph> Wow this got dark all of a sudden
[21:09:27] <badbodh> i tried to say it like an anime girl
[21:09:35] <badbodh> hence the <3 sign
[21:09:38] <Joseph> o.o
[21:09:49] <inahd> it sounds better in the original japanese
[21:10:00] <badbodh> kinda like "i wanna crush you, with my hugs! <3"
[21:10:31] <badbodh> inahd, i swear it is original japanese, i was just writing out the subtitles
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[21:14:15] <inahd> nice
[21:14:45] <inahd> goddamnit this touchpad is evil
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[21:15:51] <inahd> is there a way to troubleshoot what might be causing it to start freaking out, clicking shit and moving around in a seizure like episode?
[21:17:16] <Joseph> Someone in here was saying the newer kernels had that issue, since synaptics was removed from it
[21:17:17] <rhg135> Poor shielding. Does it ever work fine?
[21:17:20] <Joseph> And replaced with something else
[21:17:27] <Joseph> Not sure if it's because of that...?
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[21:18:10] <rhg135> At least my tablet tends to go insane because of that
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[21:34:55] <karenmcd> Starcraft II 13% cpu with 9% ram... no crashes on whole system upgrade/swap.. so happy! - thanks very much to the folks that make this manjaro happen!
[21:34:55] <inahd> hmm
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[21:39:04] <ShinyRice> I have a question, if I were to replace xfce manjaro's window manager with anything else, would I be at risk of breaking anything?
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[21:41:56] <ShinyRice> would it still get updated without any trouble or anything, too?
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[21:43:03] <roch_> ShinyRice, U free to go
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[21:43:21] <roch_> first remove and then add new WM configuratio
[21:44:17] <roch_> https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Install_Desktop_Environments
[21:44:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/LMHMuX] Install Desktop Environments - Manjaro Linux
[21:44:32] <ShinyRice> ah, that's good then
[21:44:34] <ShinyRice> thanks
[21:44:50] <roch_> or better do not remove, but Your ram usage might go up a bit
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[21:45:30] <roch_> don't thank me, I am biggest noob on this channel ;)
[21:46:40] <helical> hey, what about ME!
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[21:46:59] <helical> nobody's a bigger noob than me!
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[21:49:48] <roch_> lies
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[22:02:53] <lnuxi> heh
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[22:20:24] <h3r0> hey whenever i try to install metasploit it shows me an error while installling ...it says conflicting files "ruby2.3:/usr/lib/libruby.so.2.3 exists in filesystem"
[22:20:32] <h3r0> how can i remove this libruby
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[22:25:06] <LyriCa> Hello, I have a question. I have a laptop in which im planning on using it w Linux but the bettery is messed up, so i will get a replacement battery for it. Now, while i wait i would like to install linux on it but idk if i should wait for the battery and then install it... like would it matter? or would it be better if i put the new battery and install the operating system?
[22:26:42] <Jeannie> Can't you run it on external power?
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[22:26:58] <mroki> hello everyone. could you please tell me how to flush dns in manjaro ?
[22:28:27] <helical> LyriCa: don't think it would be a problem. good luck
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[22:29:28] <melodie> hi
[22:30:03] <melodie> mroki what is flushing dns meant for?
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[22:31:35] <mroki> I meant flush the dns cache, sorry
[22:31:35] <mroki> :D
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[22:31:56] <LyriCa> thanks helical , and Jennie yeah i can do it but i dont wanna have to do it if im on teh go. thanks all
[22:32:09] <mroki> like in debian-like distros is just restarting the network-manager
[22:32:28] <lnxui> sup
[22:32:46] <mroki> even tough I've been using Manjaro for a while now, I didn't come accross this until now
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[22:33:45] <manjaro-kde5--> hey there...qbittorrent is nor working whenever i open it nothing happens not even a splash??
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[22:35:07] <Kjeldmis> mroki: Im pretty sure that Manjaro doesnt cache DNS locally.
[22:35:19] <manjaro-kde5--> and when i run it via terminal it says "error while loading shared libraries: libboost_system.so.1.63.0 : cannot open shared object file:No such file or directory"
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[22:36:02] <Kjeldmis> mroki: atleast not per default.
[22:36:14] <Jeannie> Have you tried installing the boost-libs package?
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[22:36:55] <manjaro-kde5--> Jeannie: its already installed
[22:37:22] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-kde5--: try reinstalling it.
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[22:37:41] <powerofm> Hey, does anyone know why the manjaro installer would not list an empty ext4 partition as an install option?
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[22:38:05] <manjaro-kde5--> still same bro
[22:38:08] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: what do you mean?
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[22:38:50] <melodie> mroki install ncsd and invoke it?
[22:38:55] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: it just doesn't show any partitions from the /dev/sda drive
[22:39:02] <melodie> mroki I mean "nscd" rather
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[22:39:18] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: /dev/sda5 is a 400gb emtpy ext4 parition, and the installer doesn't list it
[22:39:25] <powerofm> it shows up in lsblk tho
[22:39:42] <Jeannie> Stupid question. Is the boost package installed too, manjaro-kde5-- ?
[22:39:43] <melodie> powerofm have you partitioned it?
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[22:39:56] <powerofm> yup
[22:40:09] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-kde5--: which version of qbittorrent do you have installed?
[22:40:16] <melodie> powerofm is the hard drive old?
[22:40:28] <powerofm> ~3 years?
[22:40:40] <manjaro-kde5--> i just installed it right now through pacman ...
[22:40:41] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: is other partitions from sda listed?
[22:40:50] <melodie> powerofm used a lot? Maybe you would check it with smartmontools / gsmartcontrol
[22:40:55] <Jeannie> ;-)
[22:41:19] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: othing from sda is showing up, sda2 is the efi partition, and the calamares debug log shows "13:16:57 [1]: WARNING: system is EFI but there's no EFI system partition, DISABLING alongside and replace features. "
[22:41:21] <manjaro-kde5--> Kjeldmis: its qbittorrent 3.3.10-2
[22:41:27] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-kde5--: well, please provide which version thats in the repos. I dont run Manjaro on this PC.
[22:41:46] <manjaro-kde5--> Jeannie: is the boost-libs the boost package???
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[22:42:11] <powerofm> melodie: I was able to install manjaro using the Manjar Net version on this same drive, so I think the drive is okay
[22:42:14] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: I would guess that the harddrive isnt detected at all.
[22:42:22] <Jeannie> No, they are different packages
[22:42:45] <manjaro-kde5--> i just want this qbittorrent to work....
[22:42:49] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: but that's the weird part, it does detect it, here's the debug log http://pastebin.com/hBitV4GJ
[22:42:50] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/AyQC5e] Calamares Debut Output - Pastebin.com
[22:42:56] <melodie> powerofm a drive is not "all good" or "all bad" you can have defective sections, which can be fixed with some tools provided by the hdd constructors
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[22:43:00] <Kjeldmis> the boost package isnt required for qbittorrent.
[22:43:01] <Jeannie> It should work now with boost installed
[22:43:18] <Kjeldmis> boost-libs is, however
[22:43:28] <manjaro-kde5--> how can i install this boost??
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[22:43:42] <melodie> powerofm I have saved one lately : it had only one defective cluster (a seagate saved from within Ultimate Boot CD with the eldest of both Seagates tools included in it)
[22:43:43] <Jeannie> sudo pacman -S boost
[22:43:46] <Kjeldmis> please disregard what Jeannie says, it isnt required for qbittorrent.
[22:43:57] <melodie> mroki what you look for would be nscd
[22:44:06] <Jeannie> Let me find the corresponding link from te hmanjaro forum....
[22:44:13] <melodie> mroki have a look with pacman -Si nscd
[22:44:29] <Jeannie> https://classicforum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=33571.0
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[22:44:30] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/uOzVGS] QBittorrent not launching after download using yaourt?
[22:44:56] <Jeannie> Then you better disregard that too
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[22:44:58] <manjaro-kde5--> Jeannie: HEY its stll showing the same libboost_system.so error
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[22:45:10] <Kjeldmis> Jeannie: it isnt required.
[22:45:27] <Kjeldmis> and you clearly didnt read that thread
[22:45:34] <Kjeldmis> it was never marked solved
[22:45:38] <Jeannie> Of course I did
[22:45:50] <Kjeldmis> please dont spread misinformation.
[22:45:58] <Jeannie> Anyway. Your support case, goood success, Kjeldmis
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[22:46:51] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-kde5--: please provide which version of qbittorrent and boost-libs that youve got installed.
[22:47:23] <karenmcd> well how about that, when i read the manual i solve my own problems :p
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[22:47:39] <Kjeldmis> karenmcd: congrats :)
[22:47:48] <powerofm> melodie: the SMART data says there are no bad sectors and the drive is ok
[22:47:51] <manjaro-kde5--> Kjeldmis: boost-1.63.0-1 , boost-libs-1.63.0-1 ,qbittorrent 3.3.10-2
[22:48:35] <powerofm> the calamares debug log shows:
[22:48:36] <powerofm> 13:16:54 [1]: "/dev/sda5" seems like a good path
[22:48:37] <powerofm> 13:16:54 [1]: Partition "/dev/sda5" CANNOT BE RESIZED FOR AUTOINSTALL.
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[22:50:06] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: well, thats weird
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[22:50:46] <powerofm> Is there any way to do the steps that the installer would do but manually?
[22:50:52] <powerofm> I already have the base manjaro system installed
[22:50:59] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: I would normally suggest that you file a bug report .
[22:51:10] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: ofcourse.
[22:51:14] <powerofm> but can't get a cable internet connection
[22:51:23] <powerofm> and wifi is being stupid
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[22:52:37] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-kde5--: OK, qbittorrent SHOULD work, however it clearly doesnt. Lets see if we can locate the file in question.
[22:52:38] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: yea I just filed an issue in the calamares' github
[22:52:39] <manjaro-kde5--> Kjeldmis: c'mon man....i am now wondering if i am in the queue or ignored!!!
[22:53:17] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: thanks for contributing!
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[22:53:56] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-kde5--: take it easy. noone is getting paid to help here.
[22:54:53] <iranen> yet we are still sitting here and it should be out passion to help
[22:55:03] <iranen> our*
[22:55:05] <manjaro-kde5--> Kjeldmis: i am in a hurry bro.....but alright take your time
[22:56:25] <tefter> if you are in a hurry you can do this another time
[22:56:41] <tefter> and go with whatever you are hurry with
[22:56:59] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-kde5--: sure, Im not going to help you then. When you have lost the attitude, you can write me anytime and Ill gladly help you.
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[22:57:41] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: do you need help getting GRUB installed and booting the installed base system?
[22:57:53] <manjaro-kde5--> its not attude bro....just asking for help....
[22:58:05] <iranen> linux probles is: "no hurry to anywhere and if it works no repair it" that brakes down evolving
[22:58:21] <melodie> powerofm is it a regular sata hdd, or a hybride hdd?
[22:58:26] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: I got grub installed, I can't connect to wifi
[22:58:31] <manjaro-kde5--> lets talk about  the problem here now
[22:58:38] <powerofm> melodie: regular sata hdd
[22:58:41] <melodie> powerofm I'm trying to guess why you would meet this kind of issue
[22:58:56] <melodie> powerofm did you consider partioning it again?
[22:58:57] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: so, you are able to boot the installed system?
[22:59:12] <powerofm> melodie: yes, I did twice
[22:59:24] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: yup, I can boot into it
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[22:59:55] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: Okay, so whats next? getting wifi to work, or the cabled connection?
[23:00:27] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: I can't connect to wifi. I'm on a university campus, and netctl is giving me headaches
[23:00:44] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: what kind of auth do they use?
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[23:01:03] <melodie> powerofm is you computer having uefi or bios? Does your partition table have ms-dos or gpt as type?
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[23:02:12] <powerofm> melodie: uefi, and the drive gpt
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[23:02:28] <Kjeldmis> WPA2-EAP?
[23:02:37] <melodie> powerofm so I guess you selected uefi/gpt in the choices of the installer
[23:02:42] <manjaro-kde5--> hello hello ....1 2 3 mic testing ..hello hello
[23:02:53] <melodie> leaving now...
[23:02:59] <melodie> I'm a bit tired. :)
[23:03:02] <manjaro-kde5--> anyone here to help????please???
[23:03:05] <melodie> good evening and good luck
[23:03:12] <powerofm> thanks for your help!
[23:03:24] <melodie> manjaro-kde5 if you don't find someone, you might try with the forum?
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[23:03:57] <manjaro-kde5--> why cant you all help??
[23:04:05] <melodie> manjaro-kde5 and if it's a trouble with kde, then the #kde chan (#kde5 perhaps)
[23:04:22] <melodie> manjaro-kde5-- I don't know kde5
[23:04:25] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: which WiFi security system does the University Campus have?
[23:04:29] <manjaro-kde5--> its just qbittorrent is not working
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[23:04:53] <melodie> ok then use something else, for instance, rtorrent in console, very powerful
[23:05:00] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: if you can tell me that, I can tell you how to create a netctl profile for it.
[23:05:17] <melodie> manjaro-kde5-- or transmission, or deluge, they are all very good and reliable
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[23:05:34] <tefter> i use ktorrent
[23:05:39] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-kde5--: please post the result of: sudo find / -name libboost_system.so.1.63.0
[23:05:46] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: I'm trying to connect to eduroam
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[23:06:45] <manjaro-kde5--> sudo find / -name libboost_system.so.1.63.0
[23:06:47] <manjaro-kde5--> [sudo] password for wiki:
[23:06:49] <manjaro-kde5--> /usr/lib/libboost_system.so.1.63.0
[23:06:50] <manjaro-kde5--> find: ‘/run/user/1000/gvfs’: Permission denied
[23:07:04] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: auth type is WPA2, epa type PEAP, auth protocol: MS-CHAP-V2
[23:07:05] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: y, but do you know how you would normally authenticate with it? Some uses WPA2 + MSCHAPv2 security setups, other uses WPA + EAP
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[23:08:31] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: thx, give me a sec.
[23:08:57] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: here's the config I've been trying
[23:09:06] <powerofm> https://thepasteb.in/p/zmh8QZYWZloCZ
[23:09:07] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-kde5--: well, the file is there. how did you install qbittorrent?
[23:09:09] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/eniewQ] ThePasteBin - For all your pasting needs!
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[23:09:28] <manjaro-kde5--> through pacman....sudo pacman -S qbittorrent
[23:12:26] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: that wont get you very far :)
[23:13:01] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: do you know, if a certificate is required in order to connect to your campus WiFi?
[23:13:06] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: haha yup, it hasn't been helpful
[23:13:13] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: I believe so
[23:13:37] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: do you have it, or have a way of getting the cert file?
[23:14:05] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: yea I found a link to it
[23:14:21] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: it's Thawte, idk if that's included already somewhere
[23:15:01] <Kjeldmis> allright, see if its present in /etc/ssl/certs/
[23:15:29] <Kjeldmis> otherwise, download it and place it there.
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[23:16:07] <Kjeldmis> when thats all well and good, I have a skeleton config ready for you.
[23:16:21] <Kjeldmis> meaning, just fill in the blanks.
[23:16:23] <powerofm> found it at /etc/ssl/certs/thawte_Primary_Root_CA.pem
[23:16:27] <Kjeldmis> nice.
[23:19:26] <melodie> manjaro-kde5- remove the config files of the program in your home user and try to restart it.
[23:19:40] <melodie> check with the "find" command, so you won't miss any of the user config files
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[23:20:25] <melodie> manjaro-kde5- ie: in your /home/user do as simple user : "find . -name qbittorrent*"
[23:20:29] <melodie> without the quotes
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[23:21:03] <melodie> gn
[23:21:05] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: try this config https://thepasteb.in/p/zmh8QZYWZloCZ/clone
[23:21:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/goMR4T] ThePasteBin - For all your pasting needs!
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[23:21:17] <Kjeldmis> fill out the blanks
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[23:22:29] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: did you send the right link? I see the same config I sent
[23:22:29] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: sec, Ill use another pastebin service
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[23:22:41] <powerofm> lol okay
[23:23:01] <Kjeldmis> https://paste.gnome.org/p3jj1xayu
[23:23:04] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/VFqHfO] GNOME Pastebin
[23:23:04] <mzam4514> Im back :D
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[23:23:25] <Kjeldmis> I love that polari have automatic pastebin integrated in the IRC client
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[23:23:34] <Kjeldmis> xD
[23:24:28] <mzam4514> powerofm:  thanks for trying to help yestarday
[23:25:33] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: awesome, thanks! I'll try this out
[23:25:34] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: did you get the correct link this time around?
[23:25:41] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: np mate.
[23:25:49] <powerofm> mzam4514: did you get your system working?
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[23:26:09] <Kjeldmis> just write if you got any follow-up questions
[23:26:29] <mzam4514> powerofm: yes i did fresh install
[23:27:08] <powerofm> mzam4514: oh :( well at least its working
[23:27:46] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: is there any guide on what to install after getting the base system running? I'd like to get something similar to the manjaro live env
[23:27:58] <mzam4514> powerofm:  how to chack my cpu usage and ram
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[23:28:35] <mzam4514> because some tieme i fell the computer is slow
[23:29:06] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: its actually really simple once youve got internet on it. what desktop environment would you like?
[23:29:10] <rhg136> computers in general are slow
[23:29:25] <iranen> slowest thing is hdd
[23:29:41] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: xfce4 would be nice
[23:29:52] <Kjeldmis> iranen: thats why we dont do hdd. ssd ftw.
[23:29:52] <powerofm> Kjeldmis: would i need to manually configure lightdm as well?
[23:30:06] <mzam4514> rhg136 your here :D
[23:30:25] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: yeah, I would advise that you dont use lightdm as it can be a pain to get working
[23:30:39] <Kjeldmis> mdm is a good alternative.
[23:30:42] <rhg136> yeah
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[23:30:54] <rhg136> sddm is nice
[23:30:58] <Kjeldmis> which works out of the box right after you install and enable it
[23:31:10] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: isnt sddm abandonware?
[23:31:13] <rhg136> but, qt
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[23:31:21] <rhg136> iirc no
[23:31:33] <mzam4514> So is there good program to check cpus usage and ram
[23:31:43] <rhg136> plasma mtill recmends it
[23:31:46] <tefter> hm i just pacman -S lightdm lightdm-gtk-greeter and start it
[23:32:00] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: youre absolutely right.
[23:32:04] <tefter> wont work wihtout greeter
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[23:32:26] <Kjeldmis> tefter: wont work without configuring it either.
[23:32:34] <Kjeldmis> you cant just install and start it.
[23:32:36] <tefter> it works for me
[23:32:48] <tefter> i haven't tuouch anything
[23:32:56] <rhg136> I'm going to go art but glhf
[23:33:37] <tefter> i think you have to configure it for other greeter though
[23:33:42] <Kjeldmis> tefter: I always have to tinker with it.
[23:33:48] <tefter> if you use gtk greeter than it is ok
[23:34:08] <rhg136> eww gtk
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[23:35:47] <Kjeldmis> powerofm: basically, you need to install a display manager of your choice, enabling it with sudo systemctl enable putnameofdisplaymanagerhere
[23:36:06] <Kjeldmis> and finally install xfce4
[23:36:25] <Kjeldmis> reboot, and the system should be up n running
[23:36:41] <powerofm> I've had issues with lightdm config before, so I'll try mdm
[23:36:42] <Kjeldmis> then install brower and what else you need.
[23:36:56] <powerofm> thanks for your help! I'm off
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[23:37:17] <rhg136> I have never used mdm
[23:37:46] <rhg136> I'll have to try it someday
[23:37:50] <Kjeldmis> its one of the better gtk-based dm's
[23:38:17] <rhg136> but, gtk
[23:38:26] <Kjeldmis> theming is really easy, and similar to how you would do it in plasma.
[23:38:50] <rhg136> maybe if I go back to the dark side
[23:39:34] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: well, we all have our own choice of poison :)
[23:40:03] <rhg136> yeah, but this isn't about style
[23:40:19] <rhg136> qt is better quality code
[23:40:34] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: how so?
[23:40:45] <tefter> yeah, how so?
[23:40:53] <rhg136> from a api perspective I mean
[23:41:04] <tefter> well qt is C++
[23:41:10] <tefter> gtk+ is C
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[23:41:21] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: how so?
[23:41:28] <rhg136> easier to write means better apps on average
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[23:41:50] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: that sounds really subjective to me.
[23:41:53] <rhg136> gtk is a mess of C macros
[23:42:09] <tefter> qt is more mess I think
[23:42:12] <tefter> especially moc
[23:42:16] <rhg136> yeah, it is, Kjeldmis
[23:42:19] <tefter> ugly mess
[23:42:26] <tefter> hidden behind prepricessor
[23:43:04] <rhg136> but the api is far nicer to me, but your choice
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[23:43:23] <tefter> qt has much better documentation and examples though
[23:43:49] <rhg136> I de prefer by far to write z qt app
[23:43:54] <rhg136> a*
[23:44:10] <tefter> you have nice wrappers for GTK
[23:44:17] <tefter> you dont have to do C
[23:44:24] <Kjeldmis> Qt is limited in its possibilities for application UI design.
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[23:44:52] <rhg136> and actual cross-platform
[23:45:13] <rhg136> well, it's still C++
[23:45:39] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: Qt is just a UI interpreter. the rest of the app would still need to be ported.
[23:46:04] <Kjeldmis> And, GTK+ can run on Mac and Windows aswell.
[23:46:06] <rhg136> Qt is far more than UI unlike gtk
[23:46:22] <rhg136> that's why it's split up
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[23:46:54] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: you can write more sophisticated apps in Qt, but why would you? there are far more superior options to choose from,.
[23:47:29] <rhg136> like?
[23:49:11] <Kjeldmis> like any high-level programming language. C++, C#, JAVA, Vala, etc.
[23:49:50] <rhg136> also, I'd give examples but I don't use native code much these days so disregard me
[23:50:32] <rhg136> I use a mix of js and clj/java
[23:50:50] <Kjeldmis> I started writing apps in Go recently.
[23:51:06] <Kjeldmis> Im not sure yet if I like it.
[23:51:24] <Joseph> Python has always been my go-to language for quick stuff
[23:51:28] <rhg136> you probably don't but meh
[23:51:28] <Joseph> C++ for more in-depth stuff
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[23:52:37] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: I do like most of it, my bickering has nothing to do with Go - its the lack of a good debugger and IDE.
[23:53:10] <rhg136> I remember when I liked python
[23:53:34] <Kjeldmis> Joseph: I never liked python much. Although I can see why others do like it.
[23:53:52] <rhg136> tldr: I lost it from an overdose and defected to haskell
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[23:54:00] <Joseph> Kjeldmis: it has its uses. Like, for quick scripts that you would other use Perl, bash or Ruby for, it's good, but with a perhaps cleaner syntax
[23:54:10] <Kjeldmis> oh haskell <3
[23:54:15] <Kjeldmis> that takes me back
[23:54:16] <Joseph> obviously you won't use it for system programming or embedded things.
[23:54:26] <Joseph> heh, I don't know any functional programming languages
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[23:54:36] <Joseph> I've always focused on imperative/procedural.
[23:54:43] <Kjeldmis> Joseph: well, calamares is written in python if Im not mistaken.
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[23:54:45] <rhg136> it was good, just not flexible for my whims
[23:54:59] <Joseph> maybe I will have a look at Haskell or uh, what was it...
[23:55:00] <Joseph> Elixir
[23:55:04] <Joseph> The new one
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[23:55:21] <rhg136> clj is a nice balence for me
[23:55:38] <rhg136> fp with good interop
[23:56:49] <Kjeldmis> rhg136: Ive written alot of lisp programs over the years
[23:56:57] <Kjeldmis> never tried clojure tho
[23:56:59] <Joseph> Kjeldmis: what dialect?
[23:57:06] <rhg136> it's fun
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[23:58:53] <Kjeldmis> Joseph: Common lisp
[23:58:57] <Joseph> Nice
[23:59:06] <Joseph> I do need to learn a functional language eventually
[23:59:49] <rhg136> python is fp with a lot of discipline
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