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[00:00:43] <scott_00_> ``wwwwwwee
[00:02:32] <Joseph> http://i.imgur.com/cYp8zRb.png << Desktop on my netbook ;)
[00:02:32] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/jt3YXE] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
[00:03:57] <Stuzz> You have 2 clocks
[00:04:57] <Joseph> Yeah I guess lol
[00:05:14] <Joseph> Looks snazzy though
[00:05:44] <scott_00_> Looks great, do you ever find 2gb of ram limiting?
[00:06:01] <Joseph> It's Xfce so while 2GB is a small amount it's fine for browsing and IRC
[00:06:05] <Joseph> And for word processing
[00:06:30] <scott_00_> What browser do you use?
[00:06:40] <Joseph> Chrome, though I may start using Chromium
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[00:06:46] <Joseph> Firefox was a bit too laggy
[00:06:50] <sponge> Hello
[00:06:54] <Joseph> I was also looking into Midori
[00:07:21] <scott_00_> How long have you been using Manjaro?
[00:07:28] <Joseph> About a month now?
[00:08:24] <sponge> I want to upgrade and I understand that gstreamer v0.10 is moving to AUR. Should I reinstall gstreamer v0.10 or should I uninstall it from my computer "as support was put on hold for these applications and libraries."?
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[00:10:37] <mike-zal> sponge: I had the same issue. I just updated it from AUR
[00:11:13] <mike-zal> sponge: because it was needed for radiotray. otheriwse I would have uninstall it
[00:11:31] <sponge> What is radiotray?
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[00:43:53] <mike-zal> sponge: it's an app, a tray icon and also an internet radio
[00:44:13] <mike-zal> have to go. bye
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[00:52:09] <BugzBunny> Hmm, got to wait for this youtube video to finish processing.. sonofbiatch
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[00:53:02] <elomatreb> Recommendations on how to deal with this gstreamer10-* thing?
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[00:53:16] <elomatreb> *gstreamer0.10
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[00:54:32] <rhg135> didn't that die long ago, as it should have
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[01:00:23] <TimPlaz> linux/manjaro newbie.....should I install AUR updates in Octopi?
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[01:01:55] <sponge> elomatreb, I've got the same question. Can it be removed? How can I know if I need it or have an alternative?
[01:03:00] <elomatreb> I've been poking around pacman a bit, it seems xfce4-mixer (volume control widget?) needs it
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[01:05:12] <BugzBunny> What's the problem?
[01:05:31] <rhg135> as a developer, I agree. being forced ti maintain an archaic version because people are either bad architects and can't figure out their rat's nest or just laziness is mean
[01:05:44] <rhg135> but pragmatism
[01:05:46] <BugzBunny> pfff
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[01:06:18] <elomatreb> BugzBunny: I'm being prompted to install 11 AUR packages, all gstreamer0.10-something
[01:06:44] <rhg135> these things are oss they can be patched, but how?
[01:07:01] <BugzBunny> heheh
[01:07:27] <rhg135> some code is just a mess
[01:07:35] <rhg135> write-only
[01:07:38] <BugzBunny> What's prompting you to install AUR packages? You installing xfce4-mixer from AUR?
[01:08:08] <elomatreb> No, during update (Either through the pamac GUI or using `yaourt -Sau`)
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[01:09:56] <BugzBunny> That's probably gstreamer packages that can't be included, but I thought Manjaro repos already had restricted plugins
[01:10:09] <elomatreb> This is a relatively old installation of Manjaro (~2 years), maybe I'll just reimage this thing
[01:10:30] * rhg135 rolls
[01:10:52] <BugzBunny> Probably
[01:12:31] * BugzBunny finished uploaded first video, came out nice, now does another video
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[01:26:53] <rhg135> Ideally, we'd just use domain-specific settings, but sadly life isn't that nice
[01:27:16] * rhg135 sighs
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[01:45:52] <benfitzpatrick> hi guys i finally, finally after 1hour of build time i have a Manjaro custom iso
[01:45:56] <benfitzpatrick> without errors
[01:47:07] <benfitzpatrick> it was in fact PXE boot that caused it to fail so i set it to false, it works
[01:47:22] <rhg135> cool
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[01:47:43] <benfitzpatrick> yep now im uploading it to sourceforge for people to download
[01:48:11] <scott_00_> nice
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[02:03:13] <BugzBunny> muahahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3foAOBWRYQ
[02:03:14] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/rAALz5] Let's Play Dying Light Enhanced Edition Episode 1 (Commentary) [Partly Blind?] 1080p 60FPS - YouTube
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[02:24:08] <benfitzpatrick> about 11 mins for the ISO to upload
[02:24:14] <benfitzpatrick> doing so via Rsync
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[02:30:21] <bryz> I have a bunch of gstreamer updates from the aur... inst that in the main repos?
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[02:32:41] <bryz> https://i.imgur.com/62DQdmw.png
[02:32:42] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Wiobym] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[02:32:48] <benfitzpatrick> it should be
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[02:41:29] <benfitzpatrick> for anyone who's wanting to try this out https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjaro-by-dfitz/files/
[02:41:32] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/webNQZ] Manjaro_by_DFitZ -  Browse Files at SourceForge.net
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[02:49:14] <gawd> La la la !!
[02:51:04] <gawd> *Twiddles thumbs*
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[02:51:55] <rhg135> hmm
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[02:57:48] <gawd> Anyone use PicoBrew ??
[02:59:52] <gawd> https://www.picobrew.com/
[02:59:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/N4xxNl] PicoBrew
[03:02:48] * rhg135 does not drink so much
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[03:32:17] <Osoolo> hi i am newbie ,just installed manjaro kde , did a update but octipi still shows 9 updates available (AUR) , how to update it ?
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[03:45:30] <manjaro-web|2987> hi i have a problem can someone help me
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[03:58:51] <lucasem> just ask, don't ask to ask
[03:58:55] <lucasem> manjaro-web|2987: ^
[03:59:43] <manjaro-web|2987> sorry my bad my first time around
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[04:00:17] <Stuzz> Don't apologise to ask either ;)
[04:00:34] <lucasem> don't worry about it, we weren't born on irc
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[04:01:20] <manjaro-web|2987> ok i have installed manjaro 16.10.3 from usb to hard drive witout boot loader ihave some other linux distros so another distro take care of boot firts time went ok gets reecognzed
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[04:02:07] <manjaro-web|2987> i did the update but ths time i got kernel panic not syncking
[04:02:28] <manjaro-web|2987> sorry english is not firts languaje
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[04:02:59] <manjaro-web|2987> i have the usb live enviroment thats were i am now
[04:03:21] <PipeItToDevNull> So, how would I go about installing Libreoffice 5.3? The only packages are deb and RPM
[04:03:59] <manjaro-web|2987> how can got back to a kernel that works now thekenel that dont work is 4-4-45
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[04:04:47] <manjaro-web|2987> live enviroment kernel is 4-4-33
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[04:08:27] <lucasem> PipeItToDevNull: libreoffice-fresh
[04:08:38] <PipeItToDevNull> It is 5.2.4
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[04:08:57] <lucasem> PipeItToDevNull: oh, then you'd probably just have to build it from source
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[04:09:04] <leo_rockway> hello everyone
[04:09:29] <lucasem> PipeItToDevNull: actually, libreoffice-dev-bin in the AUR is at 5.3
[04:09:38] <lucasem> hello
[04:09:48] <PipeItToDevNull> lucasem: Is that maintained by a rando?
[04:09:52] <lucasem> manjaro-web|2987: it's hard to tell what your situation is from your language, sorry
[04:11:09] <leo_rockway> is there something akin to packages.archlinux.org for manjaro?
[04:11:12] <manjaro-web|2987> i just wanna be able to boot without kernel panic like before the update
[04:11:15] <lucasem> PipeItToDevNull: the main repos have been slow to update, so maybe it'll be updated soon. Why does it matter who the maintainer is?
[04:11:41] <lucasem> leo_rockway: the pacman command uses packages.archlinux.org
[04:12:03] <lucasem> PipeItToDevNull: it has multiple votes, and it's on the AUR, so it's probably legit.
[04:12:15] <lucasem> it's not like some rando is sending you a tarball with some binaries
[04:12:29] <PipeItToDevNull> lucasem: Thanks for the headsup about it, and your time
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[04:12:33] <leo_rockway> lucasem: oh, I see. Thanks.
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[04:12:45] <lucasem> no problem
[04:13:17] <lucasem> manjaro-web|2987: where is the kernel panic occuring? are you sure it's from manjaro and not your other distro?
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[04:14:08] <manjaro-web|2987> im able to boot fine the other distros
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[04:15:19] <lucasem> manjaro-web|2987: in your live cd, can you mount your manjaro partition and `arch-chroot` into it?
[04:15:27] <manjaro-web|2987> i know i need to add /boot/initramfs-4.4-x86_64.img but still unable to boot 4.4.45 was fine with 4.4.33
[04:16:10] <manjaro-web|2987> yes im trying manjaro-chroot /mnt
[04:16:14] <lucasem> manjaro-web|2987: are you confident that upgrade is the culprit, and that downgrading would help?
[04:16:26] <leo_rockway> lucasem: what about the packages that are not from Arch, though?
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[04:16:36] <lucasem> leo_rockway: like which?
[04:16:49] <manjaro-web|2987> yes becaue before the update i was able to boot
[04:17:30] <leo_rockway> lucasem: like manjaro-artwork, but more specifically I'm looking for polikit-consolekit
[04:17:31] <lucasem> manjaro-web|2987: often-times an update involves many packages, not just one
[04:17:58] <manjaro-web|2987> how to know what package was the culprit
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[04:18:07] <manjaro-web|2987> or packages
[04:19:00] <lucasem> manjaro-web|2987: who knows, that's the fun of using arch/manjaro lol
[04:19:06] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2987: pacman's log should show you the packages you updated / installed recently.
[04:19:25] <leo_rockway> so you could try to roll those back if you think that's the issue.
[04:19:42] <lucasem> yeah, you could roll all of them back
[04:20:30] <manjaro-web|2987> were like 322 packages
[04:20:54] <lucasem> at least there weren't 323!
[04:21:07] <lucasem> (that was an intentional factorial :P)
[04:21:40] <manjaro-web|2987> how to roll back the time machine
[04:23:24] <lucasem> leo_rockway: looks like polikit isn't there. I used pacman on manjaro to check. `pacman -Si manjaro-artwork` tells me stuff, `pacman -Ss polikit` has no results
[04:23:57] <lucasem> not on AUR either
[04:24:08] <leo_rockway> lucasem: sorry, I had a typo. It's polkit.
[04:24:25] <lucasem> leo_rockway: now *THAT* has tons of results!
[04:24:34] <leo_rockway> lol
[04:24:51] <lucasem> I recommend just using `pacman -Ss <pattern>` and `pacman -Si <package>` to figure out what you're looking for
[04:25:08] <lucasem> leo_rockway: consolekit is on the AUR
[04:25:18] <leo_rockway> lucasem: I was trying to look for a PKGBUILD, but I just found it.
[04:25:28] <leo_rockway> lucasem: I'm using openrc, so it's in my repos.
[04:25:43] <lucasem> nice. I use yaourt :)
[04:26:19] <leo_rockway> lucasem: oh, openrc is not an AUR helper. It's an init system. I don't use systemd.
[04:26:25] <lucasem> ohh I see
[04:26:44] <lucasem> are you anti-systemd like so many others? :P
[04:26:59] <leo_rockway> lucasem: yes!
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[04:27:25] <leo_rockway> lucasem: I like it a lot as an init system. I don't like it as a DNS resolver, login manager, partition mounter and kitty litter cleaner.
[04:27:31] <lucasem> leo_rockway: I was just reading about Devuan yesterday, "Debian without systemd"
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[04:27:51] <lucasem> lol "kitty litter cleaner"
[04:28:05] <leo_rockway> also, I don't like Lennart Poettering's attitude too much. He's the kind of guy who doesn't accept when he makes a mistake.
[04:28:56] <leo_rockway> and that reflects on his code sometimes. For instance, last week a bug was discovered where systemd was writing files with 777 permissions to /run and that means that anybody could fill the partition.
[04:29:21] <leo_rockway> and the systemd devs attitude is usually "we know what we're doing" or at least that's what I see but I may be wrong.
[04:29:42] <leo_rockway> luckily the bug was fixed. But I'm not here to preach the word of anti-systemd, haha.
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[04:30:26] <lucasem> hah well you aren't alone with that mindset in this community
[04:31:30] <manjaro-web|9875> Hi im using manjaro XFCE , how can i change folder Icon to custom icon ?
[04:31:34] <leo_rockway> lucasem: :D
[04:32:33] <leo_rockway> lucasem: I was actually an early adopter of systemd, many months before Arch switched officially. And I used systemd a lot at work. But for my own laptop I'm happier with openrc now.
[04:32:54] <leo_rockway> I still use systemd at work, actually.
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[04:33:30] <lucasem> Practically thinking, is it that systemd is easier to use?
[04:34:36] <lucasem> manjaro-web|9875: (I've actually never used the file browser..)
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[04:35:36] <leo_rockway> I'm not sure it's easier, but it solves a few problems. Like, what happens if I need to start this daemon that requires an NFS mount? Should I try to start the daemon and see if it failed and if it did try again later?
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[04:35:58] <leo_rockway> systemd is in charge of setting up the network, mounting partitions, etc. So it knows when all that stuff happens.
[04:36:25] <leo_rockway> you don't need to have the daemon waiting, systemd just starts it when the conditions are ready.
[04:36:32] <manjaro-web|9875> its called Thunar file manger
[04:36:58] <leo_rockway> lucasem: it's also kind of putting all the eggs into one basket. I'm more of the Unix philosophy of do one thing and do it well. systemd does many different things.
[04:37:28] <lucasem> leo_rockway: the irony is that linux is a monolithic kernel, which doesn't fit that philosophy very well
[04:37:31] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|9875: you might be able to get more answers in XFCE's channel.
[04:37:34] <leo_rockway> lucasem: lol, true.
[04:37:37] <lucasem> I definitely feel you on that though.
[04:37:56] <leo_rockway> lucasem: hey, any minute know HURD will be ready... any minute now.
[04:38:22] <lucasem> leo_rockway: actually though! It's been gaining a lot of steam lately
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[04:38:30] <lucasem> just like 2.5 decades too late lol
[04:38:44] <lucasem> this is what I like so much about https://www.redox-os.org
[04:38:45] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/P5LnST] Redox - Your Next(Gen) OS - Redox - Your Next(Gen) OS
[04:39:00] <leo_rockway> lucasem: haha, yes. I saw the commits video and it got a lot of stuff going. I even tried Arch HURD on a VM.
[04:39:14] <lucasem> how'd that work out?
[04:40:12] <leo_rockway> it was "okay". I mean, it boots, but it didn't have x86_64 support, no sound support...
[04:41:00] <leo_rockway> lucasem: it would be okay for a server that's 10 years old.
[04:41:18] <leo_rockway> I hadn't heard about redox. That seems neat.
[04:41:35] <lucasem> the "everything is a URL" is a really cool idea
[04:41:46] <leo_rockway> yes, I really like that a lot.
[04:42:24] <lucasem> I would like to see HURD become a thing, but linux seems to have already taken off beyond replacement at this point..
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[04:43:21] <leo_rockway> there's always BSD.
[04:43:42] <manjaro-web|2323> and im back
[04:44:02] <lucasem> manjaro-web|2323: you the one that had the kernel panic?
[04:44:06] <leo_rockway> lucasem: dragonfly bsd sounds particularly interesting.
[04:44:46] <manjaro-web|2323> no Im trying  to change icons for only specific folders :p
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[04:45:04] <lucasem> lmao
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[04:46:10] <lucasem> leo_rockway: I've played with openBSD. I've heard of dragonfly, but I can't remember -- what's special about it?
[04:46:54] <manjaro-web|2323> i think im giving up :@
[04:46:55] <leo_rockway> lucasem: hybrid kernel. Mix of microkernel and monolithic.
[04:47:51] <manjaro-web|2323> people told me i can change icons in nemo but not Thunar
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[04:48:33] <Celmor> can I get Wingdings fonts for my applications?
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[04:50:11] <leo_rockway> ttf-ms-fonts from AUR should provide it.
[04:50:13] <leo_rockway> Celmor: ^
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[04:50:33] <leo_rockway> if you want a font _like_ Windings, then IDK.
[04:51:09] <Celmor> are these fonts after installing that package automatically available in applications like libreoffice or would I have to enable it in there somehow too?
[04:51:31] <leo_rockway> Celmor: probably yes. Also, check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts
[04:51:32] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/8937Fr] Microsoft fonts - ArchWiki
[04:51:39] <leo_rockway> thanks Botergos, have a cookie.
[04:51:59] <leo_rockway> Celmor: the newer packages might have a newer version of Wingdings.
[04:52:41] <lucasem> it'd be nice if phrik were here
[04:52:46] <lucasem> !alw microsoft fonts
[04:54:50] <manjaro-web|2323> @leo_rockway If i really want that feature, and don't mind switching your DE ? what is DE ?
[04:55:32] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: where do you see that? DE stands for Desktop Environment.
[04:56:08] <leo_rockway> I don't use XFCE, so I wouldn't be able to help you with that.
[04:56:11] <Celmor> it's "!arch microsoft fonts" for me, since I use duckduckgo
[04:56:13] <manjaro-web|2323> leo_rockway: https://classicforum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=23845.0 in this link
[04:56:13] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/jXk10e] How to change folder icon on XFCE?
[04:56:24] <leo_rockway> Celmor: ddg ftw :D
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[04:56:30] <Celmor> ;)
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[04:57:27] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: so, in that link that part means "maybe stop using XFCE".
[04:58:01] <leo_rockway> Cinnamon is another desktop environment, like Gnome, Plasma, XFCE, Mate, etc.
[04:58:33] <leo_rockway> I think Cinnamon is the default for Mint, but I haven't used Cinnamon nor Mint.
[04:59:10] <lucasem> Celmor: I use the same feature :) I was just referring to #archlinux's bot
[04:59:25] <manjaro-web|2323> So basicly if i want icon for folder  i reinstall lunix to Cinnamon :I
[04:59:38] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: no, that's not what that means.
[05:00:17] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: I'm not sure how familiar you are with a GNU/Linux environment. I'm guessing not very familiar. XFCE, Cinnamon, Mate, Gnome, etc are just applications running on top of your OS.
[05:00:25] <leo_rockway> you can have none, or many different ones installed.
[05:00:25] <Celmor> lucasem, I know
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[05:00:54] <manjaro-web|2323> leo_rockway: i just starting using linux ;D
[05:00:57] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: Cinnamon, if you want to try it, is in the repositories.
[05:01:29] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: basically, the way your OS looks can be completely different depending on what "skin" you want to use.
[05:02:21] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: for example, Cinnamon looks something like this: http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Cinnamon_1.png
[05:02:22] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/72LMX2] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
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[05:02:46] <manjaro-web|2323> Well I installed Manjaro is OS/repositories
[05:02:48] <leo_rockway> and Plasma / KDE looks something like this: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DtrO95ymzGs/VEmCmDTGpPI/AAAAAAAACw8/SNFBFUTjQlc/s1600/kubuntu-1410-plasma5_1.png
[05:02:49] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/vcVY2T] (Page title not found or empty. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.)
[05:03:27] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: Manjaro is your distribution of the OS, which is GNU/Linux. Your Desktop Environment is the way your graphical interface looks.
[05:03:35] <BugzBunny> LXQT ftw
[05:03:50] <leo_rockway> other OSs don't really have this option (I'm thinking OSX, Windows).
[05:03:50] <manjaro-web|2323> leo_rockway: okey that make sence now
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[05:04:37] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: different Desktop Environments have their own tools. XFCE uses Thunar, while Plasma uses Dolphin. Different apps have different features.
[05:04:38] <iloveru> hey
[05:04:44] <iloveru> anybody can help me ?
[05:04:57] <iloveru> i want to start firefox in a systemd-nspawn container
[05:05:04] <iloveru> root@gauranga:~# export DISPLAY=:0
[05:05:06] <iloveru> root@gauranga:~# firefox
[05:05:08] <iloveru> No protocol specified
[05:05:09] <iloveru> Error: cannot open display: :0
[05:05:11] <iloveru> i have this
[05:05:11] <leo_rockway> you _could_ use Dolphin in XFCE, but then you'd be wasting resources in loading the libraries of one Desktop Environment that you're not actually using.
[05:05:12] <iloveru> :/
[05:05:32] <leo_rockway> iloveru: I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but starting Firefox as root sounds like a terrible idea.
[05:05:43] <iloveru> hmm not important x)
[05:05:56] <iloveru> if it's okey so i will create an user
[05:05:59] <leo_rockway> BugzBunny: I haven't tried LXQT, only LXDE. I'm a big fan of Qt, though :D
[05:06:13] <BugzBunny> :)
[05:06:22] <manjaro-web|2323> leo_rockway:  so Can i change my DE from XFCE to Recomnded one ?
[05:06:22] <iloveru> Qt good
[05:06:26] <iloveru> KDE PLASMA 5
[05:06:27] <iloveru> <3
[05:06:36] <BugzBunny> It's LXDE just written in Qt with few bugs :-P
[05:06:47] <iloveru> so anybody for help ne or no :D
[05:07:20] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|2323: your DE / Window Manager is really your choice. There isn't a best one. I love Plasma, other people love Openbox, some others love Unity. I personally would recommend Plasma if you have a newer computer.
[05:08:12] <leo_rockway> iloveru: that's more of a systemd question than a manjaro question. Perhaps you'd have better luck in their channel. I don't even use systemd myself.
[05:08:25] <iloveru> Failed to stat /root/.Xauthority: No such file or directory
[05:08:28] <iloveru> it's a problem ?
[05:08:30] <iloveru> ^^
[05:08:54] <leo_rockway> oh, dinner time. BBL.
[05:11:03] <iloveru> yes but i'm on manjaro ^^
[05:12:45] <manjaro-web|2323> leo_rockway:  good explanation. So lastly how to choice My DE or download more DEs is it in pamac?
[05:13:55] <lucasem> iloveru: you could also try #archlinux
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[05:14:43] <iloveru> why not
[05:14:53] <iloveru> fuck off
[05:15:00] <iloveru> i speak english very bad ^^
[05:17:19] <norgra> Hi, I installed Manjaro Cinnamon earlier today and after updating, changing the theme, and installing syncthing I rebooted my computer. Now I can't get past the grub menu. I've tried using chroot through a live usb and pac -Syyu but nothing has worked so far.
[05:17:44] <Stuzz> manjaro-web|2323: You download and installed DEs like everything else.  You can have as many as you want installed.  To choose one, there's a button on the login screen.  Those you have installed with be listed under the button
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[05:20:51] <manjaro-web|2323> Stuzz:  what button O.o
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[05:22:14] <Stuzz> manjaro-web|2323: Look around before you type your username/password
[05:22:34] <Stuzz> Where it is depends on the login manager your using
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[05:25:11] <manjaro-web|2323> i See XF and is not clickable that mean i only have XF?
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[05:30:10] <rhg135> I'm tempted to make manjaro rhg135 edition
[05:30:46] <manjaro-web|2323> where DE saved ?
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[05:31:33] <rhg135> /usr/share/xsession iirc
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[05:34:07] <manjaro-web|2323> rhg135: im trying to change my DE i dont know how xD :p
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[05:36:20] <rhg135> `pacman -S plasma`
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[05:37:06] <Stuzz> I thought when you click the XF, a menu pops up and would show XFCE, and other entries for other things
[05:37:38] <Stuzz> But yeah..  need to make sure you've go another installed to see much action
[05:37:54] <rhg135> that'd be nice, and we all know we can't have nice things
[05:38:40] <rhg135> lxqt is also good
[05:38:50] * rhg135 really likes qt
[05:39:03] <manjaro-web|2323> so to cange my DE i need restart right O.o im really noob
[05:39:14] <rhg135> that's the main reason I switched from i3
[05:39:22] <rhg135> manjaro-web|2323: just log out
[05:39:44] <rhg135> the other reason was laziness
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[05:40:39] <lucasem> xmonad thooo
[05:40:54] <rhg135> but effort...
[05:41:02] * rhg135 is really lazy
[05:41:13] <lucasem> what about xmonad takes effort?
[05:41:24] <lucasem> (I don't mean to be rash, it's a serious question)
[05:41:48] <manjaro-web|6570> So I just log out and log in again XF only XFCE what im doing wrong :/
[05:41:59] <rhg135> usually these standalone wm take a lot of tweaking to get working right for you
[05:42:27] <rhg135> now click on the XF thing and choose plasma, manjaro-web|6570
[05:42:44] <lucasem> rhg135: xmonad works really well out-of-the-box
[05:42:54] <rhg135> that's good
[05:43:04] <lucasem> at least, so I've found. But of course, I've since customized it a fair bit for my personal use
[05:43:22] <rhg135> but I'm now allergic to haskell, after using it a bit, lucasem
[05:43:30] <manjaro-web|6570> rhg135:  so how to get plasma again :p
[05:43:41] <rhg135> it's a bit of a double-edged sword
[05:44:00] <rhg135> install the plasma group, manjaro-web|6570
[05:44:36] <lucasem> lxqt is nice, but I feel like "lightweight" and "QT" don't really go together..
[05:44:43] <rhg135> lol
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[05:44:59] <rhg135> that's a huge misunderstanding
[05:45:15] <rhg135> stare at the gtk code for a while
[05:45:15] <lucasem> I'll have to give it a try and see firsthand :)
[05:45:28] <manjaro-web|6570> acman -Syu then pacman -S plasma rhg135 ?
[05:45:37] <rhg135> yeah, manjaro-web|6570
[05:45:51] <manjaro-web|6570> im learning ^_^
[05:46:21] <BugzBunny> lies
[05:46:28] <rhg135> after you log in, I think everything to tweak is in the system settings app in your menu by default
[05:46:35] <BugzBunny> lxqt 10mb
[05:47:11] <rhg135> I hear gnome isn't awful anymore, but idk
[05:47:28] <manjaro-web|6570> rhg135 lol i got error says i need root
[05:47:52] <rhg135> oh right, manjaro-web|6570, prefix those with sudo
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[05:48:19] <rhg135> or `pacman -Syu plasma` will do both steps
[05:48:36] <rhg135> well `sudo pacman -Syu plasma`
[05:49:02] <manjaro-web|6570> rhg135:  what does ` mean ?
[05:49:18] <rhg135> it means to type it verbatim
[05:49:26] <rhg135> just typography
[05:50:04] <rhg135> normally you'd use italics, but sigh
[05:50:18] <manjaro-web|6570> asked for pass great then ask me for selction
[05:50:23] <rhg135> we can never have nice things can we?
[05:50:31] <rhg135> all of it, manjaro-web|6570
[05:50:41] <rhg135> su just press enter iirc
[05:50:54] <rhg135> so*
[05:51:31] * rhg135 would be down for full latex support in irc, but no...
[05:51:40] <lucasem> I would like that too
[05:51:49] <lucasem> {\tt sudo pacman -Syu plasma}
[05:51:50] * rhg135 likes math
[05:52:52] <rhg135> I dream of the day that x^2 looks right
[05:53:24] <rhg135> and x/2 has x over 2 spatially
[05:53:37] <lucasem> \frac x2
[05:53:44] <lucasem> that's be neat
[05:53:46] <manjaro-web|6570> im loging out and in again hopfuly i did it right :D
[05:54:03] <rhg135> manjaro-web|6570: if not xt won't break xfce
[05:54:07] <lucasem> at least to have an IRC client with a setting that will typeset messages
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[05:54:35] <rhg135> but, then we'll have kids abusing it so hard
[05:55:04] <lucasem> tru tru
[05:55:23] <rhg135> like, most clients do have colors
[05:55:33] <rhg135> do we ever see them?
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[05:55:58] <rhg135> usually they get stripped because they're abused
[05:56:36] <rhg135> people enjoy inflicting ocular pain unto others
[05:57:06] <rhg135> or with tts, sonic pain
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[05:58:38] <manjaro-web|6255> And im Back Again :D
[05:59:12] <rhg135> did it live? manjaro-web|6255
[05:59:32] <manjaro-web|6255> Plasma is on
[05:59:41] <manjaro-web|6255> Is look great
[06:00:02] <rhg135> check out the new breath look
[06:00:27] <rhg135> it ships by default on the dev isos, but is in the repos
[06:01:08] <rhg135> looks rather nice, or imo maia also looks great
[06:01:24] <rhg135> but beauty and subjective and stuff
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[06:15:11] <norgra> Hi, I installed Manjaro Cinnamon earlier today and after updating, changing the theme, and installing syncthing I rebooted my computer. Now I can't get past the grub menu. I've tried using chroot through a live usb and pac -Syyu but nothing has worked so far. I've also tried rolling the kernel back but to no avail. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.
[06:16:40] <rhg135> it'd be nice to know if there was a specific error
[06:17:09] <norgra> There isn't; just a blank screen
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[06:17:36] <rhg135> then that means the kernel is hanging somewhere iirc
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[06:18:11] <rhg135> try booting to single user mode and if that works it's probably X
[06:19:07] <rhg135> but, hmm, shouldn't plymouth be running though
[06:19:50] <rhg135> try removing quiet and splash from the linux line in grub to maybe get more info
[06:20:11] <norgra> ok, i'll try that
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[06:30:20] <norgra> rhg135 Ok, I removed quiet splash and now it boot into a terminal.
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[06:35:58] <rhg135> huh, why would plymouth be crashing?
[06:36:18] <rhg135> anyone else here that knows?
[06:41:35] <leo_rockway> manjaro-web|6255 │ Plasma is on, it looks great <--- ^_^ this makes me happy
[06:43:11] <leo_rockway> norgra: do you usually get a dm instead?
[06:43:54] <leo_rockway> oh, maybe you were using the seamless Plymouth with systemd and disabling quiet splash got rid of that too.
[06:44:09] <leo_rockway> does Plymouth keep logs? maybe systemd logs on Plymouth to see why it's crashing?
[06:45:33] <norgra> leo_rockway: I'm sorry, what's Plymouth?
[06:46:05] <leo_rockway> norgra: I'm not sure if Manjaro comes with Plymouth enabled by default, but it's the fancy splash screen during boot, before your DM.
[06:46:42] <leo_rockway> something like this: https://i.imgur.com/Dt1xc5I.png
[06:46:43] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/nOef7j] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[06:46:59] <leo_rockway> or like this: https://cdn-02.memo-linux.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/manjaro-plymouth.png
[06:46:59] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/4obfuR] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[06:47:16] <leo_rockway> Botergos: you're the boss!
[06:47:28] <norgra> oh, yeah that shows up and then I'm getting a black screen.
[06:47:41] <leo_rockway> when you disable quiet and splash, Plymouth is disabled too.
[06:47:52] <leo_rockway> so, your system's Plymouth or DM or X is acting up.
[06:48:02] <leo_rockway> or Wayland, if you're using Wayland.
[06:48:47] <norgra> well, after disabling it I'm taken to a terminal
[06:49:05] <leo_rockway> which means your system actually boots fine
[06:49:10] <leo_rockway> can you startx ?
[06:49:44] <norgra> I'm not sure. How do I do that?
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[06:50:05] <leo_rockway> log in first
[06:50:09] <leo_rockway> then run the command: startx
[06:50:59] <leo_rockway> I'm going to be watching some ST:TNG here now, so I may not reply for a while.
[06:51:03] <leo_rockway> I'll come back when it's over
[06:51:23] <norgra> ok
[06:52:27] <norgra> "unable to connect to xserver"
[06:53:01] <leo_rockway> try xinit
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[06:55:25] <norgra> Fatal server error: (EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
[06:57:47] <leo_rockway> huh
[06:57:50] <leo_rockway> that's odd
[06:59:12] <leo_rockway> I guess you need to be in a certain group
[06:59:16] <leo_rockway> what DE do you use?
[06:59:19] <leo_rockway> Cinnamon?
[06:59:28] <norgra> yeah
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[06:59:41] <rhg135> oh
[06:59:48] <rhg135> then it is X!
[07:00:00] <rhg135> what gpu do you have?
[07:00:10] <norgra> A10-8700P
[07:00:15] <norgra> apu
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[07:00:45] <rhg135> can you run `lsmod | grep radeon`
[07:01:20] <norgra> ...what's that line?
[07:01:35] <rhg135> it checks if radeon is loaded
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[07:02:11] <norgra> no, I mean this:  |
[07:02:45] <norgra> found it
[07:03:33] <norgra> I don't think that did anything
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[07:03:54] <rhg135> oh, that's a pipe as in to feed the output to another command
[07:04:12] <rhg135> then you're probably on catalyst
[07:04:42] <rhg135> what does mhwd think?
[07:05:01] <rhg135> `mhwd -li` is the command I think
[07:06:21] <rhg135> sometimes, I wish I had more artistic vision
[07:06:28] * rhg135 sighs hard
[07:06:49] <norgra> video-catalyst is listed as nonfree driver installed. I never installed the nonfree driver, though.
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[07:09:32] <rhg135> The installer tends to assume for you
[07:09:51] <norgra> ah
[07:11:04] <rhg135> I can't speak for the support under catalyst for that chip, but my apu was also finicky when it was new and catalyst isn't updated anymore
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[07:11:35] <rhg135> Might be better off with amdgpu or ati
[07:12:13] <norgra> video-amdgpu is listed as well
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[07:14:56] <rhg135> Choose that one, to do so first uninstall catalyst them install that
[07:15:48] <rhg135> But I also can't say first-hand as all my GPUs are older than SI
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[07:21:48] <rhg135> If amdgpu works is there ever a reason to default to catalyst these days? Serious question
[07:24:05] <norgra> not sure. when I try to uninstall catalyst it says it isn't installed.
[07:25:08] <rhg135> `sudo mhwd -r pci video-catalyst`
[07:25:30] <norgra> that's what I ran
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[07:31:28] <rhg135> Hmm, I thought it was installed?
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[07:33:22] <norgra> maybe I misunderstood mhwd -li. It was listed as false under freedrivers and I mistook that to mean it was installed.
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[08:09:29] <thid> morning all
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[08:13:54] <rhg135> Evening
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[08:36:51] <alleyoopster> hi, I did some housework and removed some orphan packages yesterday. looks like I was over keen and broke the system. tried reinstalling packages, but still broken. Starts up with black screen after x tries to start.
[08:38:09] <alleyoopster> Can anyone offer some assistance ? :)
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[08:48:22] <manjaro-web|7931> hey, i just clean installed manjaro, im getting an error while trying to update (using Octopi) error reads : error: unresolvable package conflicts detected
[08:48:23] <manjaro-web|7931> error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies)
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[08:48:31] <manjaro-web|7931> please advise, thanks in advance!
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[08:49:06] <bermraj> I just install from net-edition and install mate as the wm
[08:49:22] <bermraj> but when I try to run firefox I got a segmentation fault
[08:49:27] <bermraj> any idea how to solve this?
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[08:58:21] <manjaro-web|7931> ive used the sudo pacman -Syu and its worked, however its asked me to replace some things prior to installing, would that be due to them being repackaged since the distro was released?
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[09:00:14] <day|flip> manjaro-web|7931: this is very normal. i don't know how many time i seen them change the name of a package. in the end it the same package with a little bit of a different name
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[09:01:53] <manjaro-web|7931> thankyou for the response, just wanted to check it was something to be expected, first time using an arch based distro so all abit new to me :P
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[09:02:43] <lucasem> arch is love, arch is life
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[09:28:14] <_Biofobico> I'm using Budgie desktop and my online accounts aren't showing in  the files sidebar window as they should be.
[09:28:39] <_Biofobico> It's a bug or I'm missing something?
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[10:50:22] <negen> getting drunk off of a mediocore cab and painting my kicked out of the house mother inlaw's bedroom is surly linux related some how
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[10:57:35] <bewgie> anybody home?
[10:57:39] <PMunch> Yup
[10:57:41] <lucasem> hello
[10:57:46] <bewgie> hey guys
[10:57:51] <_Biofobico> morning
[10:57:58] <bewgie> oh man, im having a dumb issue
[11:01:00] <bewgie> can i remove syslinux and replace it with grub2?
[11:01:08] <thid> yep
[11:02:26] <PMunch> Hmm, seems my thermal printer got hacked last night
[11:02:32] <bewgie> well the thing is im on an ubuntu live cd right now thid
[11:02:36] <PMunch> Got a funny message on it today :P
[11:02:44] <bewgie> and the syslinux is on /dev/sda3
[11:02:53] <PMunch> Stating that it is now part of a "flaming botnet"
[11:03:11] <day|flip> lol what
[11:03:18] <thid> PMunch: :D
[11:03:20] <thid> bewgie: chroot to ur system then
[11:03:37] <bewgie> hmmm ok
[11:03:49] <bewgie> ok let me try and remember how to do that
[11:04:43] <bewgie> ok it is mounted to ummm
[11:04:54] <PMunch> http://pastebin.com/2FDzA38q
[11:04:55] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/eNpNg4] @PJL INFO STATUS  stackoverflowin/sthack the hacker god has returned - sthack@pr - Pastebin.com
[11:05:01] <bewgie> media/xubuntu/System
[11:05:02] <PMunch> That's the message in it's entirety
[11:05:29] <bewgie> so i say  chroot media/xubuntu/System   correct?
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[11:06:18] <day|flip> anyone know how to set different wallpaper for different screen? this wallpaper to screen1 and that wallpaper for screen2?
[11:06:26] <bewgie> chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or director  thid
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[11:10:01] <bewgie> any ideas thid?
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[11:12:58] <lucasem> bewgie: What is in the System directory?
[11:13:04] <PMunch> day|flip, nitrogen has an option for it
[11:13:16] <lucasem> you should chroot into the root directory, where you'll find bin/bash among things
[11:13:18] <PMunch> But I think what it might do behind the scenes is to stich together two images.
[11:13:33] <bewgie> chain.c32  extlinux.conf  KERNEL  ldlinux.c32  ldlinux.sys  lost+found  SYSTEM   lucasem
[11:13:33] <PMunch> Don't quote me on that though
[11:13:48] <bewgie> its libreelec
[11:14:30] <bewgie> im basicly trying to edit syslinux giving it an entry for windows10 to boot from  /dev/sda2
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[11:24:29] <day|flip> PMunch: ya. just find it. it going help out with my xmonad setup
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[11:25:21] <PMunch> Nitrogen? It's a nice little tool
[11:25:39] <day|flip> look weird on a tiling wm
[11:25:44] <PMunch> If you want to do it from the terminal you can also use feh
[11:25:58] <PMunch> I'm using i3 and it looks fine here
[11:25:58] <day|flip> on two different screen?
[11:26:14] <PMunch> Not sure if feh does multi-monitor
[11:26:20] <day|flip> ya
[11:26:25] <PMunch> I think you'd have to stitch them yourself manually first
[11:27:30] <day|flip> i just want to keep it simple
[11:27:33] <bewgie> hmmm
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[11:27:44] <bewgie> so no one knows how to use syslinux here?
[11:27:44] <day|flip> nitrogen will do just fine. thanks PMunch
[11:28:13] <bewgie> im just trying to add windows 10 to extlinux.conf
[11:28:27] <bewgie> windows 10 is on sda2
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[11:29:17] <PMunch> No problem
[11:29:25] <PMunch> Anyone seen NovaCygni lately by the way?
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[11:33:28] <manjaro-web|8062> hay peaple how do i make a bootable usb on manjaro linux
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[11:33:59] <PMunch> manjaro-web|8062, dd
[11:34:23] <manjaro-web|8062> can you dumb itdown for me please
[11:35:08] <PMunch> Uhm, dd if=<image of manjaro> of=/dev/<whatever, drive not partition> bs=4K
[11:35:13] <PMunch> It's something like that
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[11:35:16] <negen> manjaro-web|8062, if your in windows you can use rufus
[11:35:21] <PMunch> Can't recall if it's 100% right
[11:35:21] <day|flip> or just install image-writter or isousb for simple gui. but still need root to run
[11:35:59] <negen> oh never mind me i am a bit drunken due to me painting my kicked out mother inlaw's old bedroom
[11:36:25] <NanoSector> hmm
[11:36:31] <NanoSector> oh, wrong channel
[11:36:32] <NanoSector> still
[11:36:33] <NanoSector> hmm
[11:36:34] <day|flip> negen: it was that bad?
[11:36:45] <negen> no you mistaken
[11:36:48] <negen> it is a blast
[11:36:52] <day|flip> i see
[11:37:00] <manjaro-web|8062> yeah cos i haveing truble setting up a nother xfce anjaro usb for a mate and installing it for him just keeps failing
[11:37:12] <negen> drank a bottle of wine and even took a shot of the expsenseive stuff
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[11:38:42] <negen> manjaro-web|8062, this looks like it may be of help http://news.tecmint.com/3-best-gui-enabled-usb-image-writer-tools-on-linux/
[11:38:46] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/nFEOnj] (link was unresponsive: http://news.tecmint.com/3-best-gui-enabled-usb-image-writer-tools-on-linux/)
[11:39:16] <negen> ecther looks like a gui image to usb writher thinigie
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[11:49:34] <negen> finally a new kernel
[11:49:53] <day|flip> $4.99
[11:50:12] <negen> I do not understand those guys who do the 500 day uptime and stuff
[11:50:31] <negen> i do not know how to switch kernels without rebooting
[11:50:45] <negen> and it makes no sense using an old kernel
[11:51:01] <day|flip> it does for a server side
[11:51:07] <negen> the world of linux has the oddest people
[11:51:29] <negen> our server at my work get rebooted every 24 hours
[11:51:39] <day|flip> for desktop. no
[11:52:07] <negen> but our server only earn about 1million usd per month
[11:54:33] <day|flip> i really don't know much about server. or how it get the internet out of nothing. stuff like that seem like magic bs to me
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[12:45:16] <negen> day|flip, the internets are simple your network knows a dns server and more than likely you know some website you like to visit your webbrowser looks up the name you asked it to display and the dns server looks to find it and if it is found it is displayed
[12:45:21] <DrunkenAlcoholic> windows partion not detected through grub, used os-prober nothing, ran boot info script if anyone can help get the windows partion running again. https://hastebin.com/badomiviki.bash
[12:45:22] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7CeHRG] hastebin
[12:46:03] <negen> sorry not I can help for two reasons one i am drunkened and two i do not dual boot
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[13:07:00] <manjaro-kde5-> hey i was wondering if someone could help me? my window controls dissapeared, so i opened konsole and ran kwin_x11 to get them back now whenever i open, close or minimize a window i get this error : QXcbConnection: XCB error: 3 (BadWindow), sequence: 22460, resource id: 46137344, major code: 18 (ChangeProperty), minor code: 0
[13:07:07] <manjaro-kde5-> any advice would be appreciated
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[13:11:47] <Strit_Laptop> Was gonna suggest him to reboot. But.....
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[13:32:40] <jarco_> hey i get this warning on mmy system, it's dual-boot because work requires me to run windows for some stuff. I have rebooted and shutdown windows 3 times now. Any ideas why the disk doesnt becoma safe? http://i.imgur.com/uHhKzLs.png
[13:32:41] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/tW2kXm] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[13:33:06] <jarco_> I dont want it read only
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[13:33:58] <thid_> reboot & press power to shutdown, or turn off hibernation
[13:34:08] <jarco_> its not on ...
[13:34:16] <jarco_> a,d I use alt+f4 and complete shut down
[13:34:22] <jarco_> and*
[13:34:33] <jarco_> so the power goes completely off
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[13:34:38] <thid_> windows 8/10?
[13:34:42] <jarco_> 10
[13:34:54] <thid_> they u doing hibernation
[13:34:58] <thid_> then*
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[13:35:14] <jarco_> I dont ...
[13:35:22] <jarco_> I have completely shutdown the system
[13:35:26] <jarco_> not hybernation
[13:36:01] <thid_> nope, u think u did shutdown, system did hybernation unless u did turn it off with powercfg /h off
[13:36:14] <jarco_> mm i ll try that then :)
[13:36:23] <jarco_> I think its this hybrid shutdown tats causing it
[13:36:26] <jarco_> thats
[13:36:27] <thid_> yep
[13:36:30] <thid_> fastboot :P
[13:36:41] <thid_> reboot is reboot
[13:36:52] <thid_> thats why its worth to do reboot
[13:37:04] <thid_> and then just press power to shutdown before windows load
[13:37:06] <jarco_> I hate windows :(
[13:37:15] <Strit_Laptop> Windows 8+ actually hibernates when you press shutdown. So when it does this, you have to boot into windows, then reboot into Manjaro to gain access to the drive in Manjaro.
[13:37:35] <jarco_> Strit_Laptop, I tried that 3 times :(
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[13:37:49] <jarco_> Oh yes damn, its windows 8 :D
[13:37:49] <_Biofobico> first time using virtualbox. should I install anything else besides virtualbox itself?
[13:37:51] <jarco_> I am wrong
[13:38:01] <jarco_> Anyway i gonna reboot again :)
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[13:38:12] <thid_> virtualbox is so meh
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[13:38:32] <thid_> kvm+qemu ftw
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[13:41:04] <jarco_> thid_, thx your command did the trick
[13:41:18] <jarco_> What an idiotic OS is windows to do this, don't they know people dualboot?
[13:41:33] <_Biofobico> thank you for not  answering my question :)
[13:41:47] <Jeannie> MS does not want people to dualboot
[13:42:00] <jarco_> lol
[13:42:05] <jarco_> They have nothing to want.
[13:42:13] <jarco_> I am their customer, I have to want stuff
[13:42:27] <Jeannie> No
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[13:42:45] <jarco_> _Biofobico, The answer is No
[13:42:52] <Jeannie> Do what MS tells you
[13:42:56] <jarco_> Its a meta package and installs its own dependancies
[13:42:56] <_Biofobico> @thank you
[13:43:06] <Jeannie> Thou shall not use other operating systems besides windws10
[13:43:09] <jarco_> and virtualbox will ask you for what it needs (guest addition etc)
[13:43:21] <_Biofobico> thanks
[13:43:28] <jarco_> Jeannie, I shall not use windows 10 then, I just got permission to remove it :)
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[13:44:35] <Jeannie> So you're a terrorist
[13:44:55] <jarco_> lol
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[13:45:21] <Jeannie> http://www.techspot.com/news/57316-nsa-classifies-linux-journal-readers-tor-and-tails-linux-users-as-extremists.html
[13:45:23] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/fGyO7N] NSA classifies Linux Journal readers, Tor and Tails Linux users as "extremists" - TechSpot
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[13:49:23] <Jeannie>  I wonder when Trump will ban Linux
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[13:58:27] <Strit_Laptop> Jeannie: He first needs to find out it exists.
[13:59:07] <day|flip> 2nd, he only give a shit if it work for his need
[14:00:35] <Jeannie> http://imgur.com/a/t9Jol
[14:00:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/L9GE26] Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet
[14:01:28] <day|flip> Jeannie: I thought you don't care about what happen in the US
[14:02:54] <Jeannie> I care about things that affect global stability
[14:03:06] <day|flip> ahh
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[14:05:11] <Jeannie> Heil Trump!
[14:05:11] <Jeannie> http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/02/trump-just-removed-white-supremacist-groups-terror-watch-program/
[14:05:12] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/3aW6LH] Trump Just Removed White Supremacist Groups From Terror Watch Program
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[14:07:00] <day|flip> Jeannie: if my memory serves me right. this is not the frist time the US president that ban a country from alowing them to come in. but i think it the first time it was done at this scale
[14:07:49] <Jeannie> To me it looks as if Trump is planning to establish a nazi dictatorship
[14:08:25] <day|flip> fascism in a way?
[14:08:57] <Jeannie> Look at nazi germany
[14:09:30] <day|flip> witch is why i brought up that word
[14:10:31] <_Biofobico> you could always "remove" him...
[14:12:25] <day|flip> i think it will be better to were write the script. US is to stupid gone left field from what it was built on
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[14:55:32] <manjaro-web|6378> Hi,everyone,greeting for the first time.
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[14:58:35] <manjaro-web|6378> Has anyone ever used Konica Minolta pagepro 1590MF printer?
[14:58:41] <manjaro-web|6378> Please?
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[15:06:05] <thid> I have few of those
[15:06:11] <thid> but via ethernet
[15:06:17] <thid> cups handle them nice
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[16:23:34] * Jeannie still curses in foreign languages abut web browsers
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[16:25:52] <PMunch> Jeannie, not happy with your browser?
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[16:26:36] <Jeannie> No
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[16:27:41] <PMunch> Which one is it?
[16:27:58] <Jeannie> Qupzilla
[16:32:11] <PMunch> Hmm, never tried it
[16:32:15] <PMunch> What don't you like with it
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[16:35:27] <Jeannie> Sometimes it's really sluggish, and the adblocker doesn't do its job
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[16:36:12] <PMunch> I use Vivaldi with AdGuard and it seems both fast and blocks ads well
[16:36:52] <ringo> Webblocker is more secure
[16:36:54] <ringo> =p
[16:37:11] <Jeannie> I don't like chromium clones
[16:38:34] <PMunch> Vivaldi isn't really doesn't feel like a Chromium clone
[16:40:08] <Jeannie> ut it is one
[16:40:11] <Jeannie> But
[16:43:09] * BugzBunny curses in English
[16:43:28] <BugzBunny> &*^%$$$ %^^&^%$%^ &&&*$$@%
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[16:50:38] * Jeannie deinstalls vivaldi
[16:50:42] <PMunch> :(
[16:50:53] <PMunch> You didn't like it?
[16:50:56] <Jeannie> No
[16:51:06] <Jeannie> I need a menu on top of the browser
[16:51:10] <PMunch> Too Chromy or was there something else?
[16:51:15] <PMunch> Oh, Vivaldi can do that
[16:51:27] <Jeannie> Buried somewhere in the settings?
[16:51:48] <PMunch> Under appearance
[16:51:58] <PMunch> Menu section -> Horizontal menu
[16:52:28] <PMunch> That's the thing with Vivaldi, it's a web browser for "power-users" of the web who like it their way
[16:52:54] <PMunch> For example one thing I like to do is set my tabs to be a list on the right hand side instead of along the top
[16:53:17] <Jeannie> I don't like the font vivaldi uses
[16:53:20] <PMunch> That way I have more room heightwise for my websites
[16:53:28] <PMunch> You can change that as well
[16:53:44] <Jeannie> HAven't found anything in the settings
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[16:53:56] <PMunch> Webpages -> Fonts
[16:54:31] <PMunch> Note that the Vivaldi UI is also just defined as an HTML page with CSS
[16:54:44] <PMunch> So you can change anything about the UI as you wish by using those
[16:54:58] <Jeannie> I don't know anything about css
[16:55:38] <PMunch> Pretty simple stuff actually
[16:56:39] <PMunch> You should also have a look under Themes
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[16:56:54] <PMunch> There you can change the theme for Vivaldi. And change stuff through a GUI
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[16:57:22] <Jeannie> If it would't spawn so many processes....
[16:57:42] <PMunch> Well, that's a sandbox security feature
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[16:57:57] <Jeannie> Security? Under xorg?
[16:58:07] <PMunch> Each website is spawned as it's own thread that isn't allowed to communicate with any other
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[16:58:18] <Celmor> all my packages are up-to-date but I get "twmnc: error while loading shared libraries: libboost_program_options.so.1.62.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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[16:58:35] <PMunch> Plus if one website crashes it's only that tab and not the whole web-browser
[16:59:09] <Jeannie> That multi process spawning is a no go for me
[16:59:26] <PMunch> Then I think pretty much only Firefox and it's children are left
[16:59:30] <Jeannie> No
[16:59:37] <Jeannie> They use GTK3....
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[16:59:45] <PMunch> And even they are working on sandbox features
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[16:59:58] <Jeannie> They should work on supporting dark themes....
[17:00:06] <PMunch> Well, you could always wget your pages and cat them out to your terminal..
[17:00:37] <PMunch> Vivaldi supports dark themes, even has a couple built in
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[17:00:43] <PMunch> But I've got to go
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[17:20:51] <Celmor> can I list installed packages that were installed via the AUR?
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[17:41:42] <void9> Celmor: try pacli, it should have something like that
[17:41:44] <void9> pacman -S pacli
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[17:42:57] <roch_> pacman -Qm
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[17:45:01] <roch_>            Restrict or filter output to packages that were not found in the sync database(s). Typically these are packages that were downloaded manually and installed with --upgrade.
[17:47:03] <Celmor> according to that, linux47 is foreign
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[17:48:37] <roch_> what now
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[18:37:03] <Jolt2bolt> hI!
[18:37:10] <Jolt2bolt> so funny -> https://imgflip.com/i/1imd2d
[18:37:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/vPJrYQ] Picard Wtf Meme - Imgflip
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[19:01:16] <master-of-nothin> manjaro. the best
[19:01:56] <master-of-nothin> like it. especially jwm edition
[19:02:13] <master-of-nothin> many thank for the developers
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[21:16:53] <linuxworks> hello guys, i am unable to get mass storage devices workinng on manjaro. they wont mount, and are invisible in both gparted and computer:///
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[21:28:13] <linuxworks> hello Lukimya
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[21:29:36] <tme> linuxworks: what does dmesg say when you plug in mass storage?
[21:29:59] <linuxworks> tme: i dont know what that means, how do i access that information? thank you!
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[21:31:02] <tme> type dmesg in terminal after you have plugged in mass storage
[21:31:20] <tme> it's a command to display the messages of the kernel buffer
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[21:32:24] <linuxworks> tme: see https://hastebin.com/idiqobadag.vbs
[21:32:25] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/G1cAhK] hastebin
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[21:36:42] <tme> hmm
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[21:37:00] <tme> check with lsusb is the usb drive recognised when plugged in?
[21:38:55] <linuxworks> https://hastebin.com/kitepefayi.go
[21:38:56] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/35FTSY] hastebin
[21:39:01] <linuxworks> tme: sorry for delay
[21:39:41] <tme> no problem
[21:39:52] <tme> is your usb drive manufacturer Seagate?
[21:40:12] <linuxworks> the usb one yes it is a seagate
[21:40:57] <tme> ok so then it is recognized but somehow not mounted
[21:41:19] <linuxworks> ok.
[21:41:23] <tme> how recent installation of Manjaro you have?
[21:41:27] <linuxworks> why it not appear in disks though?
[21:41:30] <linuxworks> tme i just installed it
[21:41:42] <tme> all right
[21:41:47] <tme> that's a good question
[21:42:07] <linuxworks> interestingly enough i was able to mount the same disk in live mode
[21:42:16] <Jolt2bolt> sound problematic!:P
[21:42:34] <linuxworks> due to the fact that my Ubuntu (oops swear word LOLOL) crashed i had to copy stuff from hdd to this disk
[21:42:51] <Jolt2bolt> so he have to do sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /pendrive?
[21:43:09] <linuxworks> wierd that the live install can mount the seagate but hdd install cant
[21:43:17] <linuxworks> +jolt2bolt ill try that
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[21:43:23] <Jolt2bolt> so he have to do sudo mount /dev/sdb1 ~/pendrive?
[21:43:33] <manjaro-kde5-> wow
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[21:43:41] <Jolt2bolt> but first create the folder
[21:43:48] <Jolt2bolt> in home
[21:43:58] <ivesen> what's happening now?
[21:44:03] <linuxworks> +jolt2bolt first of all it isnt pendrive lol but secondly i have 2 partitions, would they be /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2?
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[21:44:08] <Jolt2bolt> mkdir pendrive
[21:44:47] <ivesen> linuxworks: yes, but you can always doublecheck with ls /dev/sdb*
[21:44:55] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, well you can do a lsblk to check what of the drives are your pendrive!:P
[21:45:21] <Jolt2bolt> just execute th "lsblk" command!:P
[21:45:25] <ivesen> pfft, that's the intelligent way :v
[21:45:33] <linuxworks> https://hastebin.com/xudafatigi.sm
[21:45:34] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/g3pfQX] hastebin
[21:45:35] <Jolt2bolt> lol
[21:46:12] <Jolt2bolt> well you normally know the sizes of the drive you have in the computer so...
[21:46:14] <linuxworks> +jolt2bolt https://hastebin.com/akeruvayel.rb
[21:46:15] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/97xQwP] hastebin
[21:46:26] <linuxworks> output of lsblk ^^
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[21:46:58] <Jolt2bolt> let's see...
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[21:47:15] <linuxworks> [james@777 ~]$ ls /dev/sdb*
[21:47:15] <linuxworks> ls: cannot access '/dev/sdb*': No such file or directory
[21:47:15] <linuxworks> [james@777 ~]$
[21:47:16] <Jolt2bolt> is that your instalation of manjaro in your pc, right?
[21:47:25] <linuxworks> yes it is
[21:47:38] <Jolt2bolt> 32G of swap?
[21:47:46] <Jolt2bolt> how much ram do you have?
[21:47:46] <linuxworks> yes
[21:47:50] <linuxworks> 16 gb ram
[21:47:56] <Jolt2bolt> bah
[21:48:01] <Jolt2bolt> you don't need swap at all
[21:48:02] <Jolt2bolt> XDD
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[21:48:06] <ivesen> lies!
[21:48:09] <d42> pretty much
[21:48:11] <ivesen> even I need swap
[21:48:15] <ivesen> with 32GB :V
[21:48:23] <linuxworks> what if i wanna suspend?
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[21:48:32] <linuxworks> ^_^
[21:48:36] <d42> linuxworks: you mean hibernate :^)
[21:48:40] <Jolt2bolt> did you ever use all the ram in a ocasion?
[21:49:00] <ivesen> me? totes
[21:49:00] <d42> suspend stays on ram :^)
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[21:49:07] <linuxworks> +jolt2bolt dunno, my cpu always maxes out b4 my ram does. stupid i5 >:C
[21:49:10] <linuxworks> anyway back on topic :)
[21:49:17] <Jolt2bolt> I recomend to reduce the size of swapt to the saze of your ram if you want to use it as hibernation!:P
[21:49:49] <Jolt2bolt> you are wasting 16 gb in there
[21:49:53] <Jolt2bolt> :P
[21:50:01] <linuxworks> back on topic pls :)
[21:50:12] <d42> i don't think i've ever used hibernation or even got it to work ,_,
[21:50:16] <Jolt2bolt> you can do it with gparted without reinstalling!:D
[21:50:20] <ivesen> can you give me a 140char explanation of what you're doing?
[21:50:35] <ivesen> hibernation breaks my graphics driver :<
[21:51:00] <linuxworks> ivesen i am just trying to mount a drive
[21:51:07] <linuxworks> wont show up anywhere
[21:51:20] <linuxworks> not even gparted
[21:51:27] <d42> linuxworks: what kind of drive
[21:51:29] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, how much did you put in your /root? did you create a /hore partiion or just use all the disk to do the instalation?
[21:51:37] <d42> paste dmesg? :v
[21:51:42] <Strit_Laptop> linuxworks: what error does the mount command give?
[21:51:49] <ivesen> have you tried unplugging end reconnecting the drive (preferably shut your pc down first if it's sata)
[21:51:55] <linuxworks> d42 a seagate 1tb slim backup
[21:52:05] <d42> k, reconnect it and paste dmesg :v
[21:52:07] <ivesen> try using a different usb port?
[21:52:20] <d42> also this ^
[21:52:34] <linuxworks> already tried that
[21:52:41] <Jolt2bolt> can you tell the model of the drive?
[21:52:47] <linuxworks> its seagate
[21:52:56] <Jolt2bolt> If it a portable HD or a flash drive?
[21:53:00] <Jolt2bolt> model?
[21:53:04] <ivesen> what type of pc are you using? (laptop/dekstop)
[21:53:19] <Strit_Laptop> WHat error does the mount command give you, when you try to mount it?
[21:53:36] <Jolt2bolt> Strit_Laptop, https://is.gd/97xQwP
[21:53:37] <linuxworks> https://hastebin.com/ezacuwelic.vbs
[21:53:38] <Botergos> [No short url] hastebin
[21:53:38] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/CP68um] hastebin
[21:53:44] <linuxworks> +stridct_Laptop it does nothing
[21:53:55] <linuxworks> oops typo
[21:54:19] <Strit_Laptop> Ah okay. The drive is not being seen by the kernel.
[21:54:30] <linuxworks> ok
[21:54:35] <Strit_Laptop> Sounds more like the drives conyroller is dead.
[21:54:36] <d42> hum
[21:54:45] <linuxworks> uh huh, i have treid 4 drives
[21:54:51] <linuxworks> *tried
[21:55:07] <Strit_Laptop> Odd question: Did you reboot after your last updated?
[21:55:16] <linuxworks> you caught me
[21:55:18] <linuxworks> no i didnt
[21:55:23] <Strit_Laptop> Do that and try again. :)
[21:55:25] <Jolt2bolt> or did you updated recently?
[21:55:31] <linuxworks> i did update recently
[21:55:33] <norgra> Hi, I installed Manjaro Cinnamon earlier today and after updating, changing the theme, and installing syncthing I rebooted my computer. Now I can't get past the splash screen. I've tried using chroot through a live usb and pac -Syyu but nothing has worked so far. I'm not getting any error message, just a blank screen. I've also tried using rescatux to repair grub, but it didn't help.
[21:55:40] <linuxworks> brb
[21:55:45] <d42> well, if you have updated kernel it probably won't work :^)
[21:55:46] <Jolt2bolt> if you did, then the problem is solved when you reboot
[21:55:52] <linuxworks> gonna log in as root this time, i mistakenly logged in as my normal user (temp account)
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[21:56:04] <Jolt2bolt> normally systed stop working after an update
[21:56:05] <Jolt2bolt> XD
[21:56:29] <Jolt2bolt> SF is going slow again!
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[21:57:44] <ivesen> so
[21:58:22] <ivesen> I'm having issues with kvm...
[21:58:38] <ivesen> anyone that can link resources relating to interrupt remapping (aka intx fd
[21:59:03] <Jolt2bolt> what kind of program is kvm?
[21:59:12] <Strit_Laptop> virtulizer
[21:59:16] <ivesen> ^
[21:59:30] <Strit_Laptop> don't know much about it I'm afraid.
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[22:00:05] <ivesen> yeah, I'd figure it out myself but there's this massive black gaping hole when it comes to documentation lol
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[22:01:24] <linuxworks> im on my fedora
[22:01:28] <linuxworks> my manjaro wont boot
[22:01:35] <linuxworks> after i tried to restart :( :(
[22:01:46] <ivesen> where'd it get stuck?
[22:01:51] <Strit_Laptop> Won't boot? How far in the process does it get?
[22:01:54] <ivesen> starting 232 or osmething?
[22:01:54] <linuxworks> the boot screen
[22:01:57] <linuxworks> its hanging
[22:02:06] <ivesen> ctrl+alt+f2?
[22:02:18] <linuxworks> ohoh i got a login prompt now
[22:02:20] <Strit_Laptop> If it's the manjaro splash screen press ESC when you reach it, to see where it actually stops.
[22:02:34] <linuxworks> k im in as root
[22:02:40] <linuxworks> lemme start x
[22:02:45] <Jolt2bolt> ugh, that's why I hate plymout... I rather see what systemd is doing in case if something going wrong...
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[22:03:04] <linuxworks> ok im in
[22:03:29] <linuxworks> yeah and just great my USB mouse is not working
[22:03:37] <linuxworks> nor my trackpad
[22:03:51] <ivesen> that's odd
[22:03:59] <linuxworks> uh nothings working actually
[22:04:03] <linuxworks> not even keyboard
[22:04:06] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, yo cna try to install synaptics
[22:04:15] <Jolt2bolt> i read some version didn't install it
[22:04:23] <Jolt2bolt> ugh...
[22:04:34] <Jolt2bolt> what desktop did you use?
[22:04:36] <linuxworks> xfce
[22:04:42] <ivesen> the only synaptic I ever heard of is a package manager
[22:04:42] <linuxworks> rip manjaro
[22:04:55] <linuxworks> iveseen synaptics is also a trackpad utility
[22:05:27] <linuxworks> on winblows. dunno if it is on linux or not. never needed it
[22:05:37] <ivesen> no wonder I never heard of it :v
[22:05:46] <linuxworks> u on desktop?
[22:05:52] <Jolt2bolt> you can try mate or budgie.. or deepin!:D
[22:06:01] <linuxworks> i like xf :(
[22:06:10] <linuxworks> [stubborn frown]
[22:06:14] <Jolt2bolt> or even better a tiling WM so you can forget of the mouse!:P
[22:06:16] <Strit_Laptop> install xf86-input-synaptics
[22:06:30] <Jolt2bolt> that the package i was talking about
[22:06:33] <linuxworks> strit it is a system-wide freeze.
[22:06:33] <Jolt2bolt> :P
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[22:06:53] <Jolt2bolt> did you installed the gtk3 version?
[22:07:07] <Jolt2bolt> I tried i made my xfce go wild!:P
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[22:07:24] <linuxworks> if you want to know, go to manjaro.org hit download choose xfce and presss download :P :D
[22:07:41] <Jolt2bolt> ugh...
[22:07:49] <linuxworks> it is xfce4 though, not the horrid-looking xfce i have on my fedora
[22:07:58] <Jolt2bolt> hahaha
[22:08:05] <Strit_Laptop> linuxworks: well, you are the first I've heard of with a systemwide "freeze" on a newly installed xfce edition.
[22:08:22] <r00tobo> guys
[22:08:32] <r00tobo> anyone of you using aegisub
[22:08:39] <linuxworks> strit i truied the budgie edition on a desktop and absolutely nothing worked
[22:08:47] <Jolt2bolt> well the horrible fedore desktop can become pretty with just the arc GTK theme and maybe numix icons!:P
[22:09:07] <Strit_Laptop> linuxworks: sounds more like its your hardware to be honest. :P
[22:09:15] <Jolt2bolt> r00tobo, I used that a long long long.... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago.
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[22:09:49] <linuxworks> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[22:09:51] <Jolt2bolt> I remember i used kubuntu 9.04 with that amazing kde3 desktop....
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[22:10:13] <linuxworks> +strit, fedora works fine on it but i want xfce 4de without puting up with xubuntu
[22:10:19] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, maybe the update did some weird change
[22:10:28] <r00tobo> I mean anyone using it atm
[22:10:28] <r00tobo> lol
[22:10:34] <r00tobo> on KDE
[22:10:38] <r00tobo> at least
[22:10:50] <linuxworks> xubuntu sucks more than elmers glue on a doorknob
[22:11:03] <norgra> I'm getting an error message when I try to startx: "/etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X: No such file or directory"
[22:11:29] <Jolt2bolt> I read the KDe is like more stable right know but they could get rid of the curse of KDE4..."the bug curse..."
[22:11:34] <Strit_Laptop> norgra: do you have xorg-server installed? :)
[22:11:38] <linuxworks> [ERROR: TASK FAILED SUCCESFULLY]
[22:12:45] <linuxworks> wel i dunno what to do
[22:12:56] <norgra> strit_laptop: honestly, I have no idea. I'm trying to troubleshoot why my laptop won't boot past the splash screen.
[22:13:19] <Jolt2bolt> what about a paste of the directory?
[22:13:19] <linuxworks> aha so im not the onl one that has this issue!
[22:13:55] <Strit_Laptop> norgra: if it has a splash screen, then it's probably a gpu driver problem.
[22:14:12] <rhg135> Why do we have the Solan on by default agai?
[22:14:28] <rhg135> Splash*
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[22:14:40] <Strit_Laptop> rhg135: "user friendlyness"
[22:14:42] <rhg135> Someday, I will spell
[22:14:44] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, but after the update the instalation worked fine?
[22:14:56] <rhg135> ...
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[22:15:17] <linuxworks> ?
[22:15:25] <linuxworks> installation of what?
[22:15:27] <Jolt2bolt> I said I have plymout I rather have my normal booting sreen!:P
[22:15:48] <norgra> Strit_Laptop: Well, I'm running an A10-8700P apu.
[22:15:59] <Jolt2bolt> the XFCE installation... the problem begin after you updated, right?
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[22:16:49] <linuxworks> installed the xfce version of manjaro THEN updated and things went kerfuki
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[22:17:16] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, then install a package called downgrade
[22:17:37] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Using_Downgrade
[22:17:39] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bQBRZT] Using Downgrade - Manjaro Linux
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[22:18:06] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, I recommend you to downgrade xorg to see if the problem it's solved
[22:18:13] <rhg135> Downgrades are an abhorrent thing to me
[22:18:51] <linuxworks> i cant even use the thing...
[22:19:00] <rhg135> And arch doesn't particularly like them either
[22:19:05] <Jolt2bolt> rhg135, depends... normal aplication downgrades are ok, the system package is the abhorrent part...
[22:19:23] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, RIP your instalation....
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[22:19:31] <rhg135> Jolt2bolt: they're both horrible
[22:19:42] <linuxworks> no, RIP MANJARO!
[22:19:50] <linuxworks> [defiant frown]
[22:19:51] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, RIP at least you can di a better distribution of the HD
[22:20:03] <rhg135> Necessary evils at times, but horrible
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[22:21:03] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, like 50 GB for root, 16 GB for your swap (if you want hibenation feature) and the rest for a home partition!:P
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[22:21:36] <linuxworks> yeah right
[22:21:40] <linuxworks> that wont cause this error
[22:21:52] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, or you can create a /boot partition if you like to toy with your installation a lot!:P
[22:22:54] <linuxworks> or i can just find another distro, i ********LOVE*************** the looks of manjaro xfce, but what good is a distribution that looks good if it ain't work?
[22:23:05] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, hahaha
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[22:23:19] <peta_84> 10GB for root is enough
[22:23:22] <linuxworks> sriously though it didnt even work on my desktop and i passed it off as hardware issues
[22:23:28] <linuxworks> peta_84 i log in as root
[22:23:31] <peta_84> make the swap same as you ram
[22:23:39] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, let me guess... it's the first time you find troubles in a linux distro!:P
[22:23:46] <linuxworks> oh well thanks for your help people :)
[22:23:50] <ivesen> why do you do root only?
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[22:24:05] <linuxworks> +jolt2bolt fedora never gave me any issues yet, but it doesnt have xfce 4 :(
[22:24:15] <linuxworks> ivesen because i like POWER ;)
[22:24:17] <peta_84> dont log as root in gui
[22:24:25] <peta_84> use sudo for specific commands
[22:24:26] <Jolt2bolt> linuxworks, you can help manjaro to fix that error
[22:24:32] <linuxworks> peta_84 yes i will if i want to :)
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[22:25:27] <linuxworks> jolt2bolt with my experience of bug reports, no. they ask for way too much information. :(
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[22:25:50] <Strit_Laptop> lol
[22:25:55] <peta_84> troll
[22:26:05] <rhg135> Fixing user error is hard but there is one annoying bug
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[22:26:27] <rhg135> The installer defaults to non free always
[22:26:47] <ivesen> it does?
[22:27:02] <Jolt2bolt> hahaha
[22:27:03] <rhg135> Well, that I've seen
[22:27:25] <ivesen> I haven't seen it default to nonfree (not that I've been looking)
[22:27:39] <ivesen> but the free gpu drivers broke on my system which is annoying
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[22:28:05] <ivesen> so now I'm stuck  with the nonfree ones :<
[22:28:14] <rhg135> Mine always use catalyst by default huh
[22:28:22] <Jolt2bolt> did you saw how he complained that xfce4 in fedora is ugly but he didn't got the time to search some gtk themes, icons to get it beautiful!:P
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[22:28:56] <Strit_Laptop> Jolt2bolt: yeah, that I wondered about. All that trouble because of themes....
[22:29:06] <Jolt2bolt> ivesen, I'm stock with nonfree since ever because free don't work properly!:P
[22:29:36] <ivesen> a *few* years ago the free drivers were better for me
[22:29:40] <ivesen> oh well
[22:29:47] <Jolt2bolt> Strit_Laptop, so funny for me is easier to install some gtk themes than changing to another distro!XD
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[22:29:56] <ivesen> also, I'm gonna miss radeontop :V
[22:30:11] <Strit_Laptop> especially if that distro does not work properly with your hardware.
[22:30:11] <Jolt2bolt> ivesen, but you have an APU, right?
[22:30:22] <ivesen> nah, r9 290
[22:30:36] <ivesen> fx 8350, no apu
[22:30:47] <Jolt2bolt> Strit_Laptop, to be honest as a advanced user in linux that use linux since... 6 years or more
[22:30:52] <ivesen> and an r9 280 for the lulz :V
[22:31:02] <Jolt2bolt> I realized how better linux works
[22:31:28] <ivesen> I've tried switching entirely to linux before
[22:31:40] <Jolt2bolt> It's rare nowdays to find bug in linux that back in old days it was ALWAYS!!!
[22:31:50] <ivesen> it's hard since I have to rely on windows only software a lot
[22:32:05] <Jolt2bolt> like even the sipliest thing didn't work properly
[22:32:17] <Jolt2bolt> ivesen, i'm sad
[22:32:19] <ivesen> at least the bugs were documented to death lol
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[22:32:38] <ivesen> why are you sad Jolt2bolt?
[22:32:47] <Jolt2bolt> ivesen, is there GLP alternatives to the software you use?
[22:33:06] <ivesen> GLP?
[22:33:32] <Jolt2bolt> ivesen, about how you feel when you are forced to use windows when you want to be faithful to linux
[22:33:48] <ivesen> oh :<
[22:34:02] <Jolt2bolt> ivesen, GPL (General Public License), We called free software!:P
[22:34:12] <Jolt2bolt>  call it*
[22:34:24] <ivesen> pfft, then spell it correctly! :P
[22:34:32] <Jolt2bolt> hahaha
[22:34:50] <ivesen> and the answer is kinda
[22:34:59] <Jolt2bolt> well that is the complete correct spelling of free software!:P
[22:35:17] <ivesen> since I use them in a professional environment where you can't have one guy with different file-formats than everyone else
[22:35:39] <ivesen> and moving everything to linux won't work either :P
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[22:36:38] <ivesen> I tried using wine but something something 32-bit iirc
[22:36:48] <Strit_Laptop> ivesen: I'm in the same boat as you. I only use Windows on my work PC though.
[22:36:49] <Jolt2bolt> well...you can use standarizades formats intead the closed ones...
[22:37:03] <ivesen> same Strit_Laptop
[22:37:19] <ivesen> Jolt2bolt: there aren't any standard formats :P
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[22:37:27] <ivesen> because electronics I guess
[22:37:56] <Jolt2bolt> for example, you can configure microsoft windows to save files in the .odf format instead the .***x format
[22:38:05] <Jolt2bolt> of course they are
[22:38:08] <Jolt2bolt> ¬.¬
[22:38:42] <Jolt2bolt> that you don't know about it doesn't mean it don't exist...
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[22:39:29] <Strit_Laptop> I use .odf formats at my work. Or .pdf's if they really want something "official".
[22:39:34] <Jolt2bolt> there are a ton of open and standart format that the people don't use because they don't care about it while the program works as it's intended
[22:39:53] <ivesen> there are open formats for what I do, but there aren't any standard formats
[22:39:57] <Strit_Laptop> I am the onlt person using it though. :)
[22:40:08] <ivesen> literally every program I've seen just use their own format and don't support anything else
[22:40:23] <Jolt2bolt> and because of that a bunch of them are slave of closed or privative software as microsoft office... for example
[22:40:33] <ivesen> I just save as .docx in libreoffice :V
[22:40:38] <Jolt2bolt> PDF is a standart
[22:41:26] <Jolt2bolt> zip
[22:41:29] <Jolt2bolt> is another
[22:41:45] <ivesen> yes, but pdf's can't store circuit diagrams last I checked
[22:41:56] <ivesen> or they can, but it doesn't work all that well :P
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[22:42:20] <Strit_Laptop> pdf's can store images so....
[22:42:57] <ivesen> yeah, but then there's the thing about nobody supporting it
[22:43:11] <Strit_Laptop> pdf is supported by everything these days.
[22:43:18] <Jolt2bolt> lol
[22:43:21] <Jolt2bolt> and zip too
[22:44:05] <Jolt2bolt> we just need the .odf format be officially supported so microsoft office can f**k off of their big monopoly!:P
[22:44:48] <Jolt2bolt> and after that we will do the same with the vector and imaging software!!
[22:45:12] <Strit_Laptop> I remember Office 2013 actually gave you a choise of default formats. Either docx or odt, etc. at first run.
[22:45:31] <Jolt2bolt> like deafeating adobe fron his photoshop and ilustrator kingdom!:P
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[22:50:32] <Jolt2bolt> right now, it think kritea is doing a great job as an option to photoshop and inkscape is giving a good result as a vector tool!:P
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[22:52:21] <rhg135> .svg is a standard
[22:52:27] <rhg135> and a great one too
[22:52:46] <Jolt2bolt> aha
[22:53:06] <rhg135> all my vectors are in svg
[22:53:36] <rhg135> unfortunately, some use inkscape's extensions
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[22:53:50] <rhg135> but we are close to standardization
[22:53:54] <Jolt2bolt> I don't use imge software often but for working with big resolution, the .svg format it's the best for that!:P
[22:54:14] <Jolt2bolt> I beg for standarization....
[22:54:23] <rhg135> I don't do rasters often
[22:54:48] <Jolt2bolt> that day is the fall of closed software and welcome to the opensource software and free software world!:P
[22:54:50] <rhg135> like, it took me 15m to figure out how to crop in gimp
[22:55:30] <rhg135> it would have been much faster to just clip and export in inkscape
[22:55:37] <Jolt2bolt> I don't have complain about making money with software, is the limitation they impose in their customers so they are forzed to buy only them!:P
[22:55:55] <Jolt2bolt> that's why I don't like apple products at all!!
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[22:57:24] <Jolt2bolt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtARYhz3tjw
[22:57:25] <Jolt2bolt> XDD
[22:57:26] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/qcN9Ny] Profiles in Tremendousness - SCOTUS Nominee Neil Gorsuch: The Daily Show - YouTube
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[23:03:21] <melodie> hi!
[23:03:50] <rhg135> yo
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[23:05:00] <melodie> hello rhg135
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