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[01:01:54] <whytrytofly> hi
[01:01:55] <whytrytofly> wazzup
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[01:09:58] <nicklas_> ey
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[04:54:11] <somebody1> anyone know a lot about bluetooth on manjaro?
[04:55:27] <xangua> Bluetooth is something my computer has that I barely use
[04:55:56] <deadguy> if your speaker/headset isn't working, or working partially i could give you a couple pointers but that's about it
[04:58:13] <somebody1> that is the problem. it usually works but now says no adapter found. not the first time.\
[04:58:30] <somebody1> using the kde version
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[04:59:29] <somebody1> deadguy the used to be debian fanatic deadguy?
[04:59:47] <deadguy> that must be someone else
[04:59:55] <somebody1> ok
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[05:39:20] <NoX357> so manjaro + kde has completely blown me away
[05:39:35] <NoX357> blows ubuntu + unity out of the water
[05:42:12] <dodgejcr> thats not hard to do
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[05:44:12] <rhg135> idk, unity is rather great
[05:44:19] <rhg135> but kwin <3
[05:44:50] <rhg135> it's the ubuntu part that gets me
[05:44:57] <dodgejcr> that more or less what I meant
[05:45:36] <dodgejcr> I cant really speak for unity. I havent really used it outside of the default settings shipped with ubuntu and didnt use it long enough to form an opinion
[05:46:20] <rhg135> yeah... unity's problem is that it's developed by canonical
[05:46:29] <rhg135> and they're cracy
[05:46:34] <xangua> The alt menu is great
[05:46:35] <rhg135> crazy*
[05:47:06] <rhg135> but yeah, unity might be of the few good things they've made
[05:47:26] <rhg135> they also don't care about running it elsewhere
[05:47:42] <xangua> The HUD menu is called, ever heard of it?
[05:47:48] <rhg135> I love the HUD
[05:48:05] <rhg135> yes, it's great for stuff with many menus
[05:48:19] <xangua> Me too for LibreOffice
[05:48:20] <rhg135> Efficiency and stuff
[05:48:22] <xangua> Yeah
[05:49:16] <xangua> It's one of the things that canonical doesn't show off or even explain to use
[05:50:06] <rhg135> yeah, it'd be so handy for inkscape
[05:50:32] <rhg135> now if only it could use kwin
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[06:10:28] <c00ter> kewl...installer chat room werks
[06:12:10] <rhg135> yeah, should it not?
[06:12:11] <ehSUN> hi everyone. I know manjaro is a rolling release distro, but I want to know when the next edition of manjaro become stable? (manjaro-xfce-17.0-beta1-unstable-x86_64.iso)
[06:13:07] <c00ter> when it is ready*TM
[06:13:17] <rhg135> it already is?
[06:13:32] <ehSUN> is there any specific schedule for it?
[06:13:37] <c00ter> Nope
[06:13:52] <ehSUN> Thank you
[06:14:12] <c00ter> but it could be in a day or ten. Plasma 5.9 maybe?
[06:14:49] <c00ter> I'm wondering if @philm may be waiting on that?
[06:14:58] <xangua> Tomorrow Jan 32
[06:15:04] <ehSUN> yaeh, it would be nice
[06:15:56] <c00ter> Install 16.10 anc copy the artwork from 17.0x if that is what you are after
[06:16:07] <c00ter> its rolling
[06:16:34] <rhg135> wait, 17.x has new artwork? cool
[06:16:58] <ehSUN> yes I know that, I was just curious about next stable iso
[06:17:02] <c00ter> 'breath' theming
[06:18:11] <c00ter> you can always install 16.10, change repos to unstable, and *presto*
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[06:18:33] <rhg135> and break your system
[06:18:48] <rhg135> fun...
[06:18:52] <ehSUN> I won't take the risk, :)
[06:18:55] <c00ter> not if you have any idea what you are doing
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[06:19:05] <rhg135> even if you do
[06:19:12] <Strit> Breath is also in stable repo. Just need to install the packages. :)
[06:19:21] <c00ter> its just linux...sheesh :D
[06:19:26] <rhg135> that's even better, Strit
[06:19:34] <c00ter> there ya go!
[06:20:10] <rhg135> c00ter: you could always selectively update though.
[06:20:38] <rhg135> but that's almost arch testing
[06:20:39] <c00ter> never do partial upgrades never ever ever
[06:20:52] <rhg135> even of themes?
[06:21:12] <c00ter> tghat's not an upgradse. that's nnew.
[06:21:25] <c00ter> fingers dont worj
[06:21:28] <c00ter> work
[06:21:39] <c00ter> peripheral neuralgia
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[06:22:31] <rhg135> I didn't know that yet, but yes
[06:23:55] <c00ter> copying/installing a new theme won't break your system. *Selective upgrading* is just a basic no-no with Arch, and probably Debian Testing
[06:24:12] <rhg135> pfft :P
[06:24:34] <c00ter> gotta go. bird wants a movie.
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[06:24:40] <rhg135> I embrace the breakage
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[06:28:58] <dodgejcr> breakage = learning opportunity :D
[06:29:51] <dodgejcr> I dont think I would know half the crap I know if it werent for me breaking the hell out of my systems and instead of reinstalling, being diligent on fixing
[06:30:03] <rhg135> breath has no qt themes or gtk themes for me...
[06:30:23] <rhg135> might need to update my system anyway
[06:31:43] <rhg135> oh cool
[06:31:48] <rhg135> new xorg
[06:32:10] <rhg135> and new mesa
[06:32:14] <rhg135> :D
[06:34:03] <rhg135> I'm one of the few people who actually likes updates
[06:34:34] <lucasem> updates are great
[06:34:48] <lucasem> most people in this channel would likely agree :)
[06:35:16] <rhg135> you would hope
[06:35:40] <rhg135> they make things faster usually
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[06:35:52] <rhg135> specifically mesa updates
[06:35:58] <rhg135> on ati
[06:36:01] <dodgejcr> rhg135: whats the version on xorg?
[06:36:31] <rhg135> 1.19.1-1 is the one it's going to install
[06:36:40] <rhg135> I'm on stable iirc
[06:36:44] <dodgejcr> okay just curious
[06:37:38] <rhg135> 13.0.3-1 for mesa
[06:37:44] <rhg135> yay
[06:38:15] <dodgejcr> had quite a few bugs with lib-input causing me to have to downgrade xorg and about 10 other packages to satisfy all the deps. It was annoying as hell
[06:38:31] <rhg135> aww
[06:39:55] <dodgejcr> well it was stupid really. I have a convertible laptop that I use to take notes on daily in class. I have scripts linked to .desktop files on my dock that rotates the screen and kills kb/mouse (hardware killing of which didnt always work) but xinput wouldnt rotate the pen or touchscreen input
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[06:41:11] <rhg135> ic
[06:41:28] <dodgejcr> it actually screwed up my touchscreen-pen input by duplicating it and using the duplicate that could not have any of the axis options that it should and there was no way that I could tell it to use the real touchscreen-pen as to xinput, that was a non-working input
[06:42:17] <dodgejcr> boy... that sentence was a nightmare. Ive been up too long doing homework. Sorry]
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[06:42:29] <rhg135> can't you just rebuild the old version against the current X?
[06:42:39] <rhg135> no need to downgrade
[06:42:45] <dodgejcr> Tried, some sort of hook wouldnt let me
[06:42:52] <rhg135> :\
[06:43:33] <rhg135> as a developer, the thought of downgrades keeps me up at night
[06:43:35] <dodgejcr> Im sure I could have found a way around it but it was just easier to go to cache and install those 10 packages that depend on each other and mark them for ignore until later
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[06:44:05] <dodgejcr> oh I agree. This is the first time Ive downgraded in at least 5 or so years
[06:44:28] <rhg135> then there's things like debian stable
[06:44:50] <dodgejcr> what do you mean?
[06:44:53] <dodgejcr> out of date packages?
[06:44:56] <rhg135> it's scary to think that any mistake you make will last for years
[06:45:01] <rhg135> decades even
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[06:45:59] <dodgejcr> ah yeah. I never like the idea of that with debian/ubuntu
[06:46:33] <rhg135> or in the case of X for 30
[06:46:43] <rhg135> or more
[06:46:48] <dodgejcr> actually I dont like much of anything but rolling release. Its just logical
[06:47:04] <dodgejcr> even semi-rolling like manjaro really.
[06:47:07] <rhg135> I like source rolling but aur
[06:47:18] <rhg135> <3 much <3
[06:47:45] <rhg135> arch is fine I guess
[06:47:59] <rhg135> you have the choice via abs
[06:48:00] <dodgejcr> yeah I used gentoo for years before arch was a thing. Its where I started in linux. Everything else just doesnt make sense
[06:49:09] <rhg135> I also like nix, but it's meh for user config
[06:49:32] <rhg135> which, really, on desktops is far harder imo
[06:49:35] <dodgejcr> I have been meaning to try that but havent found the time
[06:49:52] <dodgejcr> some one was on here months ago talking about it and it piked my interests
[06:49:58] <rhg135> on servers, sure
[06:50:14] <rhg135> it makes far more sense
[06:50:29] <rhg135> nix is a pretty cool idea
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[06:58:45] <dodgejcr> Ill try it one day
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[07:00:10] <rhg135> did I even install the breath widget themes? huh
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[07:00:44] <rhg135> lol
[07:00:50] <rhg135> I'm an idiot
[07:00:58] <rhg135> they don't exist
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[07:01:41] <dodgejcr> lol I havent even seen that theme yet
[07:02:03] <dodgejcr> Strit added it to manajro-arm a while back and Ive been meaning to check it out on my kde box
[07:03:41] <rhg135> there's icons, and a kde5 theme iirc
[07:03:54] <rhg135> and a wp, but I make my own
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[07:04:33] <romtsjo> good day!
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[07:05:36] <romtsjo> guys! Arch team announced, that x86 era for Arch is out. What about this in Manjaro plans?
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[07:06:06] <dodgejcr> romtsjo: no way to tell but Im sure it will follow as well
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[07:07:14] <dodgejcr> else manjaro will have to take on the role of a huge repo to build and maintain strictly for a set of hardware that is becoming more rare by the moment
[07:07:24] <romtsjo> dodgejcr: I want to make my choice between Fedora and Manjaro
[07:07:31] <pahnin2> I'm using manjaro deepin version, deepin always had problems connecting new wifi, if wifi requires password deepin wont ask for a dialogue, it simply fails to connect to wifi, and then I'd have to go to the settings to enter the password, which was even okay, but after latest update, I'm not able to connect to new wifi, because the new 'design' won
[07:07:31] <pahnin2> t take my password input for the wifi
[07:07:42] <rhg135> where can I buy an x86 box new?
[07:08:11] <dodgejcr> romtsjo: is x86 the deciding factor?
[07:08:17] <dodgejcr> rhg135: doubt you can anymore
[07:08:19] <pahnin2> I tried to edit the system-connections config file for the new wifi but it just wont use these settings, tried restarting network manager, but it still takes password less config and fails connecting to the wifi
[07:08:35] <rhg135> the newest inkscape is really buggy here
[07:08:39] <pahnin2> when they did a new desing cant they make sure that all the fields are editable
[07:09:00] <rhg135> btw is there a package cache of old versions somewhere
[07:09:11] <romtsjo> dodgejcr: yes. my laptop is intel-based, not amd
[07:09:16] <dodgejcr> pahnin2: also had a similar issue on deepin. I used nmcli to connect or you can still use nm-connection-editor
[07:09:24] <rhg135> it's a sad day because 0.92 is way better
[07:09:35] <dodgejcr> romtsjo: x86_64 is not for AMD
[07:09:41] <dodgejcr> its not amd64 anymore
[07:10:05] <romtsjo> dodgejcr: I know. processor is x86
[07:10:18] <dodgejcr> if your computer was made after ~2008 it is probably capable for x86_64
[07:10:20] <pahnin2> dodgejcr: thanks will try nmcli
[07:10:43] <dodgejcr> pahnin2: also nmtui is there as well
[07:10:48] <dodgejcr> a bit easier
[07:11:02] <romtsjo> dodgejcr: it very old
[07:11:25] <rhg135> nmtui ftw
[07:11:27] <dodgejcr> what processor is it, I can look it up if you would like
[07:11:40] <rhg135> it's great for when I break X
[07:11:57] <dodgejcr> rhg135: yeah nmtui/nmcli has saved my ass a few time
[07:12:33] <pahnin2> dodgejcr: thanks a lot for nmtui suggestions, didnt know about this
[07:13:11] <dodgejcr> lol its a good little program. Very similar to nm-connection-editor but terminal bases
[07:13:14] <dodgejcr> based*
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[07:15:58] <romtsjo> dodgejcr: Intel Core Duo
[07:16:04] <romtsjo> dodgejcr: so...
[07:17:23] <rhg135> I used to use the dmenu wrapper, but now I use plasma so...
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[07:27:20] <dodgejcr> his proc is probably able to do 64bit instruction
[07:27:27] <dodgejcr> most core duos were
[07:28:09] <rhg135> I think that was core 2 duos
[07:28:30] <rhg135> core duo were just before intel succumbed
[07:28:56] <dodgejcr> lol perhaps
[07:29:45] <dodgejcr> but then again, some of the p4s could do 64bit as well
[07:34:45] <rhg135> Some p4s were made after core 2
[07:34:54] <rhg135> Intel, man
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[07:36:00] <dodgejcr> Oh I know. Im just saying hes cpu is on the brink of being possible. He needs to do some research but he bounced so oh well
[07:39:03] <rhg135> Turns out the inkscape key layout bug isn't due to the new version
[07:39:24] <rhg135> Not sure what though
[07:40:28] <rhg135> In the app the keys act as if I used qwerty but in dialogs and stuff it uses my actual layout :\
[07:41:05] <rhg135> I mean in the app for shortcuts, text fields are fine
[07:41:37] <rhg135> Do other GTK apps do this?
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[07:44:11] <dodgejcr> dont know, dont use a different layout
[07:44:32] <dodgejcr> wonder if there is a gtk dependent kb layout somewhere in a setting
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[08:00:41] <rhg135> Wish I remembered what broke it
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[08:10:29] <ozmage> hello the gtk apps systray icons work on kde plasma on manjaro ?
[08:10:39] <rhg135> Yeah
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[08:11:12] <ozmage> really ?
[08:11:58] <ozmage> im on arch linux and the gtk systray icons shows but when i right click on them the menu dont show
[08:12:14] <ozmage> this happen on manjaro too ?
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[08:12:53] <ozmage> does the manjaro devs compile the plasma-workspace with any patches for this ?
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[08:21:02] <rhg135> I don't think so but they do pull in some stuff that is "optional" in arch
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[08:21:23] <rhg135> Optional but not always listed as such
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[08:21:54] <thid> morning
[08:25:37] <rhg135> Evening
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[08:32:39] <ozmage> does the manjaro devs compile the plasma-workspace with any patches to get the gtk apps systrray i cons to work ?
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[08:46:00] <CountryfiedLinux> good morning
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[08:46:12] <rhg135> Howdy
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[10:34:54] <dzink> Good Evening or good morning. I am in the Philippines for now. QUESTION: I have install Manjaro-deepen and did all the updates. I first installed using ext4 but it didn't work well. I reinstalled it using the XFS file system and all seems to be working good.
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[10:40:03] <thid> dzink: xfs is nice if u have alot of ram and ssd
[10:40:20] <thid> I use it on servers
[10:40:34] <thid> for desktop ext4, btrfs is good
[10:41:09] <dzink> I am using MSI GT 70 2pc Dominator. After re-installing with the XFS files system I get the following on boot up; ACPI Error no handler for Region IEC, (2) ACPI Error Region Embedded edcontrol "No Handler", (3) ACPI Error Method parse/exfailed.. Any ideas folks????
[10:41:38] <dzink> I do have.. Thanks
[10:43:06] <dzink> Not sure the cause of these errors. System is working great and the errors only appear on boot up.
[10:43:17] <thid> those are ACPI errors
[10:43:29] <thid> u can try new kernel 4.9
[10:43:31] <dzink> Yes!
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[10:44:10] <dzink> I did install the new kernel but didn't make any differance.
[10:44:54] <thid> then just ignore it
[10:45:18] <dzink> I still have the older kernel installed for backup but am using the 4.9...
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[10:48:22] <dzink> Ok. I will continue to ignore it...  Not much I can do but ignore it. Don't want to reinstall again.   lololololo
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[10:50:04] <dzink> I might be happening because I am running an EFI system.
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[10:52:20] <thid> dzink: nah its about acpi
[10:52:29] <thid> I'm using linux with efi all the time
[10:53:20] <dzink> I might be happening because I am running an EFI system.
[10:53:34] <dzink> But are you using XFS?
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[10:53:47] <thid> xfs is just filesystem
[10:54:10] <thid> it doesn't affect acpi
[10:54:21] <thid> and efi don't affect it also
[10:54:25] <dzink> I am using GPT partitions also...
[10:54:35] <thid> great
[10:54:42] <thid> and ?
[10:54:55] <dzink> Ok, I am good then...  Thanks
[10:56:12] <dzink> I wish Manjaro had updated Manjaro-deepen. I had over 900 updates.. Now that allot.
[10:56:39] <thid> manajro-deepin is community build not official one
[10:57:20] <dzink> Yes, I know. I guess the community needs to keep it updated better.  lolololol
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[11:00:24] <dzink> On my et4 try, all was good until I rebooted. The my graphics went from 1920 X 1080 to 800 x 600 and even with the bumblebee drivers install it wouldn't change graphic back to 1920 x 1080..
[11:00:53] <dzink> Strange!
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[11:10:20] <dzink> Thanks for your help and advise
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[11:16:27] <Celmor> how can I convert a >200 kB jpg image to a pdf without it resulting in a 1.5mB (or bigger) file?
[11:17:02] <Celmor> I tried gimp and firefox, latter even creates a 2MB+ file, I can't attach such huge files to an e-mail
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[11:21:07] <Celmor> solved it, chromium actually seems to just copy the jpg and output in pdf, pdf file is exactly is nearly as small as jpg file
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[11:26:45] <dzink> I went back to the 4.4.45-1 kernel and it got rid of the boot messages about ACPI...
[11:27:46] <dzink> It seems the the 4.9.6-1 kernel is giving me the ACPI errors...
[11:28:54] <dzink> Maybe a bug in kernel 4.9.6-1...
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[11:57:32] <jarco_> Hello, since gstreamer got moved to aur in the last stable update I wawnted to remove it, Butnow I see the core package gnome shell is dependant on that. How is this possible? A core package depending on an aur package seems wrong to me
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[12:07:10] <peetaur2> jarco_: which package?
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[12:08:12] <peetaur2> I see gstreamer, phonon-qt4-gstreamerm, phonon-qt5-gstreamerin main repos, but gstreamer0.10* and qt4-gstreamer not
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[12:18:27] <thid> yey I just love ovh...nothing more fun then buy 40IP by 1 per country -_-
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[12:22:02] <Celmor> can anyone suggest an application for PDFs that's able to merge PDFs and insert text?
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[12:24:11] <thid> Celmor: u can merge with pdfunite
[12:24:40] <thid> or pdftk
[12:24:57] <thid> or jsut ghostscript
[12:25:17] <thid> gs -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -dCompatibilityLevel=1.4 -dPDFSETTINGS=/default -dNOPAUSE -dQUIET -dBATCH -dDetectDuplicateImages -dCompressFonts=true -r150 -sOutputFile=output.pdf input.pdf
[12:25:59] <thid> gs -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -dCompatibilityLevel=1.4 -dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress -dNOPAUSE -dQUIET -dBATCH -dDetectDuplicateImages -dCompressFonts=true -r150 -sOutputFile=output.pdf input.pdf
[12:26:13] <thid> with prepress u get better quality
[12:26:21] <day|flip> all these line of code it blowing my mind
[12:26:34] <day|flip> ^.~
[12:26:42] <thid> be pr0 use cli
[12:27:02] <day|flip> lol but i got xmonad working
[12:27:02] <Celmor> thid, pdftk: http://ix.io/1RG2
[12:27:04] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/RAcC83] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
[12:27:17] <day|flip> it that pro to used xmonad :)
[12:27:24] <day|flip> on a distro that does not support it
[12:27:30] <thid> Celmor: then use ghostscript
[12:28:21] <Celmor> I hate it when programs want the argument to a paramater with no space in between ("-sDEVICE=pdfwrite")
[12:28:33] <thid> :F
[12:28:40] <thid> who cares when it works
[12:29:33] <Celmor> thanks, just have to get the order right
[12:29:59] <peetaur2> I agree that there are too many standards to choose from.... "who carse when it works" is why things often don't work
[12:30:14] <Celmor> last application I tried https://puu.sh/tJwZi/a9949e95e2.png
[12:30:14] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/xa1or8] (not a web page, content type: image/png)
[12:30:31] <day|flip> peetaur2: tell that to people that keep making window manager
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[12:49:30] <Celmor> thid, do you know how I can turn a PDF from color to grayscale?
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[12:59:20] <PMunch> Celmor, print it out and scan it in grayscale :P
[13:00:15] <PMunch> Just kidding, to convert it you would probably need a program that can edit PDFs. I think inkscape has some limited functionality for it (at least you can open single pages), but there might be special tools for it.
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[13:16:25] <Celmor> PMunch, not much better off than with gimp I would think, which enlarges my PDFs immensly (probably because it first converts it to an image)
[13:17:58] <PMunch> Well, inkscape is a vector editor
[13:18:15] <PMunch> So it loads, edits, and saves as pdf
[13:18:26] <PMunch> So you don't have to convert it to an image first
[13:18:43] <PMunch> If it's only images that needs to go BW then it should be an easy task
[13:19:00] <PMunch> As long as it's not a 400 page book your working with :P
[13:19:51] <PMunch> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/93959/how-to-convert-a-color-pdf-to-black-white
[13:19:52] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/5G11Mw] bash - How to convert a color pdf to black-white? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange
[13:19:57] <PMunch> Then again that might be a better option :P
[13:20:15] <PMunch> Not sure how it would fare with a 400 page book but if you have the RAM for it I don't see why it would fail
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[13:20:51] <PMunch> Celmor ^
[13:20:55] <Celmor> I only have a single page document, gimp makes a 200 kB jpeg into a 2mB pdf every time
[13:22:25] <PMunch> Try it with the gs command I linked
[13:22:28] <PMunch> It should work fine
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[13:22:46] <PMunch> And convert text -> text, so it shouldn't increase size
[13:23:01] <Celmor> already did it the long way, copied that PDF to my windows machine, opened it in foxitreader there, change font from blue to black, saved, copied back
[13:23:37] <Celmor> PMunch, "convert text -> text" in which application now?
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[13:29:48] <PMunch> Celmor, if you look at the link I sent
[13:29:52] <PMunch> gs is the program
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[13:31:07] <PMunch> And it will convert text of a given colour to black text
[13:31:20] <PMunch> Probably similar to what Foxit does
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[13:41:09] <Celmor> I didn't 'convert' with foxitreader, I merely change the color of the font of inserted/annotated text (I can insert text with foxitreader on linux, but I can't change the color)
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[13:43:39] <PMunch> Okay, but gs will actually create a new pdf for you that is converted to bw. Isn't that what you wanted?
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[13:45:35] <Hanshansing4543> hi there, anybody ready to talk gstreamer here. I got a few questions
[13:46:43] <Celmor> PMunch, that was only my initial workaround since I couldn't change color of the inserted text in foxitreader on linux
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[13:47:14] <manjaro-user> hi i'm a new manjaro user
[13:47:20] <manjaro-user> is there like a guide for newbies
[13:47:22] <manjaro-user> xD
[13:47:45] <Joseph> manjaro-user: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#Getting_Started
[13:47:46] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/LPNLUm] Manjaro Linux
[13:48:46] <PMunch> Hanshansing4543, I'm also a bit confused about gstreamer..
[13:48:59] <PMunch> Celmor, but gs worked for you?
[13:49:25] <Celmor> didn't try it yet. this should work and convert the PDF to grayscale? `gs -sOutputFile=output.pdf-sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sColorConversionStrategy=Gray -dProcessColorModel=/DeviceGray -dCompatibilityLevel=1.4 -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH "$1"`
[13:49:30] <manjaro-user> is there like a guide for newbies
[13:49:48] <Celmor> to do what?
[13:49:52] <Celmor> just to use manjaro?
[13:49:57] <Celmor> have a look in the wiki for that
[13:50:24] <Hanshansing4543> PMunch, i did a remove of gstreamer0.10 on another PC, no problems there
[13:50:34] <Joseph> manjaro-user: I pasted a link for you
[13:50:51] <manjaro-user> yeah and i ignored it, i am not looking for some wiki link
[13:51:00] <PMunch> manjaro-user, then what are you looking for
[13:51:07] <PMunch> A guide on how to use Linux?
[13:51:09] <Joseph> manjaro-user: ok. can you tell us what you want then?
[13:51:18] <PMunch> An introduction to using keyboard and mouse
[13:51:18] <manjaro-user> ...
[13:51:25] <manjaro-user> i just freaking explained what i want
[13:51:30] <PMunch> No you didn't
[13:51:31] <manjaro-user> i just started using manjaro
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[13:51:38] <PMunch> You gave us a vage request
[13:51:38] <manjaro-user> is there a guide I can use to help with that
[13:51:52] <noy|b> Hey guys. Having a problem updating gstreamer
[13:51:55] <Hanshansing4543> My Work PC I have audacity, dolphin-emu-git (oops, work) and Hakuneko installed, it wants to remove those too, although I cannot find clear dependencies. Just wondering... Maybe I am gonna install them on the other PC see if it works after having removed gs
[13:51:58] <Joseph> manjaro-user: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#Getting_Started
[13:51:58] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/LPNLUm] Manjaro Linux
[13:52:03] <Hanshansing4543> keep you updated
[13:52:03] <PMunch> Help with what? Have you used Linux before? Which DE did you install?
[13:52:05] <manjaro-user> omfg
[13:52:09] <manjaro-user> stop pasting that already
[13:52:15] <Joseph> Then stop asking the same damn question.
[13:52:29] <noy|b> I'm just getting a error in the update manager. ERROR while downloading gstreamer
[13:52:36] <PMunch> noy|b, yes
[13:52:39] <PMunch> GitLab is down
[13:52:44] <noy|b> Ah ok
[13:52:48] <PMunch> They managed to delete their entire production database...
[13:52:49] <manjaro-user> ok here's how things are
[13:52:56] <noy|b> lol really
[13:52:57] <manjaro-user> i just installed manjaro linux for the firs ttime
[13:53:01] <noy|b> that's a big mistake
[13:53:04] <PMunch> And the gstreamer package pulls the repo from there
[13:53:04] <noy|b> lol
[13:53:05] <manjaro-user> i am not a newcomer to linux
[13:53:10] <PMunch> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GCK53YDcBWQveod9kfzW-VCxIABGiryG7_z_6jHdVik/pub
[13:53:10] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/2b6S2D] GitLab.com Database Incident - 2017/01/31
[13:53:13] <manjaro-user> i am not some idiot that doesn't know what Linux s
[13:53:22] <PMunch> Yup, their document is a hilarious read :P
[13:53:28] <manjaro-user> i am not someone that needs hand holding and being condescended to with some idiot wiki link
[13:53:31] <Hanshansing4543> i am all ears manjar-user
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[13:53:44] <Joseph> manjaro-user: Stop ranting, please, and ask your precise question.
[13:53:45] <PMunch> "YP thinks that perhaps pg_basebackup is being super pedantic about there being an empty data directory, decides to remove the directory. After a second or two he notices he ran it on db1.cluster.gitlab.com, instead of db2.cluster.gitlab.com YP - terminates the removal, but it’s too late. Of around 310 GB only about 4.5 GB is left"
[13:54:01] <manjaro-user> who is this Joseph guy?
[13:54:21] <PMunch> A helpful community member
[13:54:23] <PMunch> Who are you?
[13:54:33] <Joseph> manjaro-user: You really are starting to push it now. Stick to the topic at hand, do not discuss people personally. Ask your question.
[13:54:47] <manjaro-user> i'm starting to push it?
[13:54:50] <manjaro-user> what the fuck??
[13:55:01] <Joseph> *For the last time*, stick to the topic at hand.
[13:55:28] <Hanshansing4543> i am ready to answer your question mu
[13:55:37] <Hanshansing4543> a question it will have to be ;-)\
[13:55:45] <manjaro-user> Hanshansing4543: thanks, this guy is insane
[13:55:56] <manjaro-user> Hanshansing4543: anyway i was looking for a guide for new users of manjaro linux
[13:56:11] <PMunch> Sorry, I think things got off on the wrong foot here. manjaro-user, you are looking for a guide on how to use Manjaro? Is there anything in particular you would like to know about? If you've been to a couple distros before most things should be familiar, so it's hard to know exactly what you want help with.
[13:56:36] <manjaro-user> PMunch, Hanshansing4543, thanks, you guys are great. this other moron in here has issues
[13:56:52] <PMunch> Not really, as I said I think we just got off on the wrong foot
[13:57:04] <Hanshansing4543> lol, same question
[13:57:09] <Hanshansing4543> https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Main_Page#Getting_Started
[13:57:09] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/LPNLUm] Manjaro Linux
[13:57:18] <manjaro-user> ok thanks i'll have a look
[13:57:26] <Joseph> ...wtf?
[13:57:33] <Hanshansing4543> i mean LOL
[13:57:35] <Joseph> I fucking pasted that link to you before, and you started an argument with me.
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[13:57:39] <Hanshansing4543> caps and all
[13:57:45] <Joseph> What the hell.
[13:57:53] <manjaro-user> and there he goes again
[13:58:17] <noy|b> Ask for help, receive help, call helper a moron.
[13:58:22] <Hanshansing4543> skinning is an art, and you are getting under his
[13:58:33] <noy|b> You're a fucking charmer you are.
[13:58:47] <PMunch> Hahaha
[13:58:49] <manjaro-user> typical grump Linux user, thinks highly of himself, uses the f-word liberally, talks down to new users
[13:59:12] <Joseph> If you are not here for anything productive, I would strongly suggest you find another community, manjaro-user.
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[14:00:28] <manjaro-user> congratulations you just killed the channel
[14:00:31] <manjaro-user> i hope you're happy
[14:00:45] <Joseph> No, I think they're just flabbergasted at how rude someone can be.
[14:00:49] <Joseph> As I said, drop the attitude.
[14:01:01] <Celmor> who did? he wasn't the one posting vague questions and then getting angry about the answer
[14:01:01] <PMunch> Yeah manjaro-user, trying being a bit more open
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[14:01:23] <Hanshansing4543> I do wonder what questions you have, and if I might be able to answer them
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[14:01:30] <manjaro-user> well here is the context
[14:01:36] <PMunch> Joseph only wanted to help you but you just turned away his help and got angry at him when he asked if you had any details on what you needed help with
[14:01:47] <Celmor> I bet he posts the same again
[14:01:48] <manjaro-user> i've been using gnu/linux for some 15 years now
[14:02:01] <manjaro-user> and when someone pastes a link to a wiki that's meant for newcomers to linux as a whole
[14:02:05] <manjaro-user> well that's highly grating
[14:02:18] <Hanshansing4543> ok, but whats the question you have now
[14:02:27] <xangua> 6:47 a.m. <manjaro-user> is there like a guide for newbies
[14:02:28] <Celmor> do you want to knoww _differences_ to other distributions?
[14:02:38] <Celmor> what distribution have you used before?
[14:02:42] <Hanshansing4543> what does it not do that you want it to do ( or reverse)
[14:02:45] <manjaro-user> Celmor well more specifically the differences between say manjaro, and arch, its parent distro
[14:02:49] <negen> those wikis can be useful for people with or without experience with linux/manjaro
[14:02:51] <manjaro-user> and its sister distros like antergos
[14:02:52] <xangua> manjaro-user: then you already know you need to make a clear question
[14:03:22] <Celmor> manjaro-user, well, it doesn't do anything _different_ but it does some things _additionally_
[14:03:45] <Hanshansing4543> yeah, like a nice graphical installer
[14:03:52] <manjaro-user> ah i see
[14:03:56] <Celmor> have a look at mhwd, manjaro repositories, AUR (which is enabled by default), DE/flavor offerings...
[14:03:58] <manjaro-user> ok now this is what i was talking about
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[14:04:08] <manjaro-user> and not being told to rtfm
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[14:04:16] <Celmor> just need to post the right question
[14:04:18] <manjaro-user> the fuck you telling me to rtfm for, i know how to use a distro
[14:04:24] <manjaro-user> "read the wiki"
[14:04:26] <manjaro-user> fucking retards
[14:04:27] <manjaro-user> anyway
[14:04:29] <Celmor> ranting about a rant doesn't help anyone
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[14:05:02] <negen> it would be incorrect to say that arch or antergos are parent/sister of manjaro
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[14:05:26] <manjaro-user> well it's based on arch, like antergos is
[14:05:32] <Celmor>  well, haven't used antergos but I would think it's 'more' different than manjaro is to arch
[14:05:38] <Joseph> Would you say Ubuntu is a "child" of Debian?
[14:05:49] <Joseph> Because the two are substantially different by now.
[14:06:20] <manjaro-user> please stay quiet do not address me or anything i have to say please shut it
[14:06:24] <manjaro-user> thanks
[14:06:28] <manjaro-user> Celmor: i see
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[14:06:38] <xangua> Lol
[14:06:42] <Celmor> no point in being mean, there's the /ignore for such purposes
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[14:07:15] <Joseph> Why the hell are you doing this. We are trying to help you with your vague, imprecise questions, here we are trying to decipher what you're trying to say, and there you are with the insults. Knock it off, or find another channel that will put up with your attitude.
[14:07:23] <negen> I think manjaro-user is one of the more disrespectful users we have had in here in awhile
[14:07:23] <Celmor> if you don't like the opinions of someone specific
[14:07:33] <Celmor> use /ignore
[14:07:43] <Celmor> no need to make a scene
[14:08:44] <PMunch> negen, agreed
[14:09:00] <PMunch> Luckily they are rare
[14:09:17] <negen> there was  a racist bot in here a week or so ago but i think that bot was in all of freenod
[14:09:22] <manjaro-user> please understand from my perspective. i've been a linux system administrator, i held that job for five years
[14:09:29] <manjaro-user> so being told to use some wiki is a bit degrading
[14:10:02] <noy|b> So what? That gives you carte blanche to be rude?
[14:10:05] <Joseph> We're way past the point of trying to understand why you fail to simply behave like a rational human being, just please, drop it. I tried to help you, and bit the hand that feeds.
[14:10:09] <negen> I have been a linux sys-admin since 2004 and I still find the wikis usefull
[14:10:26] <thid> sys admin here also o/
[14:10:42] <thid> tho I only use arch wiki if I need something
[14:10:43] <negen> I started using linux/unix systems around 1996/7
[14:10:48] <noy|b> No one here gets paid to help you. Stop moaning and be glad there are people here that a willing to help.
[14:11:10] <manjaro-user> antergos here i come ;)
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[14:11:25] <Joseph> Good riddance.
[14:11:26] <thid> linux admin my ass
[14:11:29] <xangua> You're free to use what you want
[14:11:33] <negen> I think the arch and gentoo wikis are the most usefull but other distro's may have things usefull to their disto
[14:11:35] <noy|b> awww bye bye
[14:12:01] <thid> negen: but 99% of stuffs for every linux u get from gentoo and arch wiki xD
[14:12:30] <Joseph> I have never seen anybody like that.
[14:12:37] <thid> I have to deal with ubuntu on servers and 100% solutions are on arch wiki when I need to setup anything
[14:12:42] <Joseph> That guy really ticked me off. :-/
[14:13:33] <xangua> Arch wiki ❤️(Ubuntu user)
[14:13:45] <Joseph> Arch's wiki is a great resource, yeah.
[14:14:12] <negen> I do not understand where that guy would expect a "guide for newbies" to be posted other than a wiki
[14:14:34] <thid> why would linux admin need "guide for newbies" in first place
[14:14:40] <Joseph> Nor why would he want something "for newbies" if he claimed to be a system administrator.
[14:14:43] <Joseph> That does not make sense.
[14:14:50] <thid> exactly
[14:15:00] <thid> or he was "gui admin"
[14:15:06] <Joseph> lol
[14:15:10] <thid> dude that was able to only "click out"
[14:15:13] <xangua> Arch wiki ❤️(Ubuntu user)
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[14:17:39] <negen> My work is paying for me to get a bachelors degree with linux and network security as the main focuses
[14:18:01] <negen> so i get to re-certify in a few things and get new certs in other things
[14:18:35] <Joseph> negen: that's awesome. those are very useful.
[14:18:38] <negen> odd thing is we are a windows shop that maintains 1500 linux terminals
[14:18:45] <Joseph> Heh
[14:19:32] <negen> so all the MIS guys know nothing about what it is that the system admin guys do and vice versa
[14:20:11] <Joseph> lol
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[14:20:53] <negen> their job titles are more interesting sounding
[14:21:53] <negen> but mainly their jobs are to unlock accounts for people who forgot their passwords or change toner cartridges
[14:22:47] <negen> my job title is just technician but we do all the cisco network things as well as linux and firewall stuff
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[14:24:48] <negen> the state does not allow us to use a time server so the MIS team had to make a fake one and it crashed and the whole system failed because the dates were like 50 years off
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[14:25:41] <manjaroDeepin_> hello
[14:25:54] <Celmor> hi
[14:25:55] <manjaroDeepin_> anyone?
[14:26:03] <PMunch> Anyone what?
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[14:26:17] <Celmor> don't expect instant answer on an irc, just post your question if you have one
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[14:26:29] <manjaroDeepin_> My English is not very good
[14:26:34] <manjaroDeepin_> good
[14:26:43] <Celmor> try your best
[14:26:57] <manjaroDeepin_> thanks
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[14:31:56] <PMunch> Interesting :P
[14:36:38] <melodie> hello!
[14:37:06] <melodie> are there people here among whom the devs of the different Manjaro flavors?
[14:37:20] <melodie> I have tried Manjaro on my T410, it's wonderful.
[14:37:48] <melodie> I usually dual boot Archlinux and Ubuntu (Bento Openbox) and in Manjaro I find the nicest parts from both!
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[14:39:18] <melodie> I have a question : did anyone in the Manjaro community consider delivering the flavors or one flavor with a non pae kernel, or even with a kernel having "forcepae" in it?
[14:39:47] <melodie> that would be for a series of thinkpad T42/T43 which has pae in the proc but not seen by current kernels
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[14:42:09] <mcnesium> when will firefox 51 be available in manjaro repos? I am asking because the default firefox themes in manjaro "arc theme maia" et al are "incompatible with firefox 50" https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/arc-theme/
[14:42:13] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/s9UyFG] Arc Theme :: Add-ons for Firefox
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[14:44:27] <mcnesium> also https://github.com/horst3180/arc-firefox-theme/issues/102
[14:45:35] <melodie> can you advice me where to go in the forums, to post a request for a kernel fit for old thinkpads?
[14:45:49] <melodie> Manjaro is very very fast, I'd love to use it in them boxes
[14:46:13] <PMunch> melodie, you could always just use your own kernel
[14:46:16] <PMunch> If you'd like
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[14:47:50] <melodie> PMunch I'm too busy being a mum, trying to make a living, and repairing old boxes for that
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[14:48:18] <melodie> I just can't take the time to re learn how to compile a kernel and find out everything I have to know to make it work on pae that have pae not seen
[14:48:34] <melodie> but, there is a patch somewhere which I can point to, for the tech part
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[14:49:10] <melodie> this is "fake-pae"
[14:49:11] <melodie> https://launchpad.net/~prof7bit/+archive/ubuntu/fake-pae
[14:49:12] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/MxsxrJ] fake-pae : Bernd Kreuss
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[14:50:41] <melodie> PMunch what do you think? Shouldn't I suggest or request something of the kind for Manjaro?
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[14:52:59] <PMunch> Hmm, I see that you're in a tricky spot
[14:53:06] <PMunch> You could try and request it :)
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[14:56:00] <melodie> PMunch I just extracted the script, it's really a simple one. I does not even need a non pae kernel
[14:56:01] <melodie> let me paste it
[14:56:07] <melodie> on a pastebin
[14:56:36] <melodie> http://pastebin.fr/49110
[14:56:38] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/t4pTJg] pastebin - outil de debug collaboratif
[14:57:11] <melodie> It has to be added in the distros and that's it. for now the distro just refuses to start on the said machines, with this script added in the iso, it would work
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[14:58:06] <PMunch> Well you could always ask on the forums. Apart from that you'd probably have to do it yourself unfortunately :(
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[15:00:38] <melodie> PMunch I have to register first
[15:00:44] <melodie> now I'm waiting for a mail...
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[15:10:43] <pingupingu> hello folks
[15:11:06] <pingupingu> as kde 5.9 has been released.. when can we expect it to be available on manjaro latest?
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[15:12:26] <nick__> Hi. When I try this: touch /home/nick/.gitconfig
[15:12:38] <nick__> I get this: touch: cannot touch '/home/nick/.gitconfig': No such file or directory
[15:13:03] <nick__> That's what touch is supposed to do isn't it, create the file?
[15:14:31] <Joseph> it's supposed to create files, not directories. Make sure that directory exists
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[15:14:57] <Joseph> (I don't know if /home/nick is a thing on your system)
[15:15:08] <nick__> Joseph, That is in my home folder (/home/nick)
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[15:16:33] <nick__> pwd -> /home/nick
[15:16:57] <nick__> whoami -> nick
[15:19:47] <LucaB> go to that folder and just 'touch .gitconfig'
[15:20:09] <Joseph> that should work, but touch should not be throwing that error if that path exists
[15:20:21] <Joseph> I'm not sure why that's happening. i just tried to do it here on my Manjaro, and it created it no problem
[15:20:35] <Joseph> from my home directory
[15:20:44] <LucaB> works here too
[15:20:58] <Joseph> a cursory Google search also showed that the main culprit is, indeed, a missing directory in the specified path
[15:21:06] <Joseph> but that isn't the case here, apparently.
[15:21:27] <nick__> Hmm. There is other odd behaviour going on...
[15:21:37] <LucaB> ...
[15:21:43] <Joseph> what other odd behavior?
[15:21:53] <nick__> Actually, that's it...
[15:21:59] <Celmor> can you: cd /home/nick && touch .gitconfig
[15:22:16] <nick__> I've symlinked config files from a dotfiles repo
[15:22:22] <Joseph> nick__: ......
[15:22:30] <Joseph> nick__: ok, symbolic links change *everything*
[15:22:30] <nick__> lrwxrwxrwx  1 nick nick    29 Feb  1 07:58  .gitconfig -> /home/nick/dotfiles/gitconfig
[15:22:35] <Joseph> Why didn't you tell us that before?
[15:22:58] <Celmor> so the target doesn't exist then?
[15:23:07] <nick__> Sorry, that was a follow up question. I didn't know I had that file in the dotfiles repo
[15:23:14] <Joseph> ...
[15:23:46] <nick__> But, less .gitconfig -> .gitconfig: No such file or directory
[15:24:57] <Celmor> what are you doing?
[15:25:40] <nick__> Celmor, clone dotfiles repo. Run a script to symlink dotfiles from repo to home folder
[15:26:04] <nick__> Dotfiles show in home folder but can't be accessed
[15:26:42] <Celmor> what's "Dotfiles" now? isn't that just a folder in your $HOME?
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[15:26:59] <Celmor> which may contain your "Dotfiles" repo
[15:27:06] <nick__> Celmor, yes
[15:27:18] <Celmor> and what exactly can't be accessed?
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[15:27:49] <nick__> The symlinked dotfiles, .gitconfig for example, in the home folder root
[15:28:13] <Celmor> you are trying to access "$HOME/.gitconfig"?
[15:28:45] <Celmor> if so, what does this output? : ls -l "$HOME/.gitconfig"
[15:29:04] <nick__> Celmor, yes. Well ~/.gitconfig or just .gitconfig when in £HOME
[15:29:09] <nick__> Celmor, yes. Well ~/.gitconfig or just .gitconfig when in $HOME
[15:29:14] <nick__> 2 secs
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[15:29:33] <nick__> lrwxrwxrwx 1 nick nick 29 Feb  1 07:58 /home/nick/.gitconfig -> /home/nick/dotfiles/gitconfig
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[15:33:24] <Celmor> what does this output? [ -h "$HOME/.gitconfig" ] && ls -l $(readlink "$HOME/.gitconfig")
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[15:35:05] <nick__> ls: cannot access '/home/nick/dotfiles/gitconfig': No such file or directory
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[15:35:15] <nick__> Celmor, thanks you very much
[15:36:02] <gonczor> hi everyone. I am looking for help with wireless network on manjaro. No interfaces show up.
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[15:36:35] <manjaro-web|8043> hi
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[15:36:58] <manjaro-web|8043> sorry about my english...
[15:37:10] <Celmor> gonczor, follow this articl https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_configuration
[15:37:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/vVBv6d] Wireless network configuration - ArchWiki
[15:37:25] <Celmor> manjaro-web|8043, nothing wrong with "hi"
[15:37:36] <Celmor> nick__, problem solved then?
[15:38:06] <thid> my english is just as perfect as myself
[15:38:52] <nick__> Celmor, yes. The location of the dotfiles repo is hardcoded into the repo and I cloned it elsewhere as part of a restructuring
[15:39:09] <manjaro-web|8043> after the last update, the boot dont go after grub iniciation
[15:39:15] <nick__> Celmor, it's not been my day, but you've helped me greatly. Thanks
[15:39:22] <LucaB> ...
[15:39:25] <LucaB> dude
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[15:39:45] <LucaB> is your .gitconfig a file or directory?
[15:40:08] <nick__> LucaB, a file. I think I'm sorted now. Thanks
[15:40:16] <Celmor> his ~/.gitconfig was a symlink but the target didn't exist
[15:40:35] <LucaB> just saying, if you try to ls .gitconfig then ls: cannot access is the correct message
[15:40:48] <LucaB> and nothing to do with symlinks
[15:40:57] <nick__> LucaB, Yep. Thanks
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[15:41:54] <Celmor> LucaB, there are multiple situations different from his that could lead to that error
[15:43:01] <Celmor> manjaro-web|8043, what was updated?
[15:43:09] <Celmor> how did you update?
[15:43:35] <yuta> .
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[15:53:10] <mcnesium> anyone in here who can tell me about the firefox release cycle within manjaro repositories?
[15:53:45] <mcnesium> when will firefox 51 be available in manjaro repos? I am asking because the default firefox themes in manjaro "arc theme maia" et al are "incompatible with firefox 50" https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/arc-theme/
[15:53:48] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/s9UyFG] Arc Theme :: Add-ons for Firefox
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[16:13:02] <NanoSector> mcnesium: next manjaro update probably
[16:13:08] <NanoSector> mcnesium: aka 'when it's ready'
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[16:14:57] <axident> Having issues trying to install manjaro on my desktop.  The only live USB that will boot is 17.0beta 1. All others hang and I can't install (I think my nVidia 1050TI graphics card is the culprit).  My concern is I don't want to be in the developmental branch as a new linux user... thoughts?
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[16:16:30] <mcnesium> NanoSector: so it is not updated immediately when a new version gets released? thought this was what a rolling release distro is about. just being curious…
[16:17:03] <NanoSector> manjaro isn't rolling release
[16:17:23] <Joseph> axident: you can try the netinstall which leaves out graphical environment, and then see if you can manually install the specific proprietary driver for that GPU, and then the desktop environment
[16:17:25] <Joseph> axident: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/111596/en-us
[16:17:26] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/3tiEs9] NVIDIA DRIVERS Linux x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver
[16:17:55] <NanoSector> mcnesium: it rolls out updates in a staged manner
[16:18:35] <Joseph> NanoSector: it is. https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/The_Rolling_Release_Development_Model
[16:18:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/uRkvVF] The Rolling Release Development Model - Manjaro Linux
[16:18:39] <NanoSector> mcnesium: in hte meantime: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/arc-theme/versions/
[16:18:42] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/I3Ns3s] Arc Theme :: Versions :: Add-ons for Firefox
[16:19:15] <NanoSector> Joseph: no it's not, it gets a version assigned and updates are't continuously pushed
[16:19:32] <Joseph> NanoSector: well, I can't comment other than what Manjaro's own official wiki says.
[16:20:02] <NanoSector> Joseph: that's like saying Apple always has the fastest hardware in their Macbooks. they do not.
[16:20:10] <NanoSector> *always has it because they say they do
[16:20:26] <mcnesium> "Manjaro uses a Rolling Release Development Model, whereby rather than being replaced, the same core system will instead be continually updated and upgraded. As such, it is not – nor will it ever be – necessary to re-install a later release of Manjaro in order to enjoy the very latest and most up-to-date system possible. By virtue of keeping an existing installation updated, it is already the latest
[16:20:28] <mcnesium> release." source: manjaro.org
[16:20:36] <Joseph> I'm just telling you what their wiki says, if you disagree with that, you can ask them to change or modify the language
[16:20:50] <Joseph> But I think they are the first and foremost ones to decide what kind of release model they follow
[16:21:08] <NanoSector> Joseph: i'm just saying they do not follow the rolling release model even though they claim they do
[16:21:11] <axident> Joseph: Thanks for that suggestion.  I am currently running Solus MATE and I don't mind it but the lack of software feel limiting to me so I thought Antergos or Manjaro would be good choices but neither of them would boot.  This 17.0beta1 release is the only one that actually booted into Live environment.  Netinstall is definitely worth a shot, is
[16:21:11] <axident> it fairly easy to go through the netinstall?
[16:21:13] <mcnesium> I am not trying to be picky or somehting, its just that all the default firefox themes are broken until firefox gets updated
[16:21:13] <NanoSector> mcnesium: it's not rolling release, ^
[16:21:32] <NanoSector> mcnesium: so install an older version
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[16:22:36] <xangua> mcnesium: last I knew the Firefox theme was just a user.css and some icons, not a full theme
[16:22:43] <mcnesium> NanoSector: yes, i did understand that. I am trying to learn about manjaro release behavior, as it seems weird to me that manjaro maintainers risk stuff being broken just because dependencies do not met
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[16:23:03] <NanoSector> mcnesium: they release updates in batches
[16:23:29] <NanoSector> mcnesium: and then attach a version to that set of packages
[16:23:39] <mcnesium> you can not expect every manjaro user to downgrade their firefox themes
[16:23:58] <NanoSector> i don't represent manjaro
[16:24:05] <Joseph> Then why do you speak for them?
[16:24:13] <Joseph> You tried to sound authoritative when you said "oh they're not rolling"
[16:24:15] <NanoSector> Joseph: I do not
[16:24:42] <NanoSector> i'm just saying I disagree with their claimed release model and saying what they instead are doing, which anyone can see
[16:25:34] <Joseph> o.o
[16:25:59] <NanoSector> makes no sense that they upgrade the arc theme package but don't upgrade firefox itself
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[16:26:16] <axident> If you do not have to re-install when a new version rolls out, that, to me at least, qualifies it as a rolling release.
[16:26:36] <NanoSector> axident: you can upgrade Fedora too, yet it's not rolling release
[16:26:46] <xangua> They? Who's they, arc theme maintainers or manjaro?
[16:26:55] <NanoSector> xangua: manjaro package team
[16:26:58] <NanoSector> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/philmmanjaro/c56ede44767b4b2d0ce180a348518008/raw/194727796e68d81e3d18c070691de8efd50c131c/boxit-stable-2017-01-30.txt
[16:26:59] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/n4DiNi] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
[16:27:19] <NanoSector> note how arc-firefox-theme is listed but firefox is not
[16:27:43] <NanoSector> firefox 51 was released last week too so it could've been included
[16:27:48] <NanoSector> owell
[16:27:51] <Joseph> What? Uh the Fedora Rawhide tree most certainly IS rolling >.<
[16:27:58] <NanoSector> Joseph: Fedora 24 -> 25
[16:28:02] <NanoSector> Rawhide is rolling yes
[16:28:27] <xangua> Last I knew Firefox didn't came with a full theme install (xfce and KDE)
[16:29:04] <NanoSector> i haven't used manjaro for a long time
[16:29:06] <NanoSector> so dunno
[16:29:26] <axident> So does a curated upated system disqualify Manjaro from being a rolling release in your eyes NanoSector?
[16:29:35] <mcnesium> 0o but you hang out in their support channel and answer questions for them? thats pretty weird
[16:30:07] <NanoSector> the reason it's disqualified for me is that it releases updates in batches and attaches a version number to it (inthe form of a date) instead of pushing out updates when they're released
[16:30:48] <NanoSector> firefox 51 was released a week ago, if manjaro was rolling release it would've had it by now
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[16:31:24] <gawd> Ahoy !!
[16:31:26] <NanoSector> mcnesium: yes, i also provide Botergos for here, reason unknown
[16:31:51] <NanoSector> hi gawd
[16:32:53] <gawd> How goes it ??
[16:33:03] <NanoSector> i'm fine thanks, you?
[16:33:05] <Joseph> axident: Anyway, have a look at https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Installation_Guide_for_the_NET_Edition_0.8.10
[16:33:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ZB6v8d] Installation Guide for the NET Edition 0.8.10 - Manjaro Linux
[16:33:26] <gawd> Doing well
[16:34:21] <axident> Joseph: I guess by your definition of rolling release it may not count but personally as a newer linux user I don't want to have to reinstall my OS when a newer version comes out like the Ubuntu varieties but I also lack the linux experience to fix issues that may arrise from a package upgrade that breaks because of incorrect dependencies.  So havi
[16:34:21] <axident> ng a curated release schedule is great for me and I don't feel that it disqualifies it from being rolling release just because it is not bleeding edge like Arch.
[16:34:23] <mcnesium> okay so i guess the theme might have been updated by mistake, because firefox 51 did have some major changes that maintainers maybe have to check longer first, but they did not expect the theme maintainer to cut down short the support for a version one below stable.
[16:34:42] <Joseph> axident: Huh? I think you meant to highlight NanoSector
[16:35:05] <Joseph> I am the one that was trying to show NanoSector why it *is* a rolling release
[16:35:08] <mcnesium> (that would have been an answer I was going to expect from someone in this channel, rather that "not a rolling release, but actually I dont even use manjaro")
[16:35:12] <axident> oh yeah.. LOL sorry Joseph that was meant for NanoSector
[16:35:27] <Joseph> mcnesium: Yeah, not sure what that all was
[16:36:11] <NanoSector> axident: and i'm saying it doesn't fit the definition of rolling release, heck, the very definition it lists on its own page
[16:36:54] <NanoSector> you don't have to agree with me, neither do I have to agree with you
[16:36:56] <Joseph> NanoSector: Well have you ever spoken to the Manjaro devs about this?
[16:37:11] <Joseph> Because if this is true it'd be prudent for the page to be updated/clarified
[16:37:17] <NanoSector> no, i have no affiliance with them
[16:37:23] <NanoSector> i just provide support and a bot here, not more
[16:37:32] <BugzBunny> Well, I consider Manjora a Rolling Release because you will continuously get updates but the model is _NOT_ like ArchLinux
[16:37:52] <NanoSector> fedora gets continuous updates as well
[16:37:57] <NanoSector> (non-rawhide)
[16:37:58] <gawd> Lookin at Bose speakers
[16:38:02] <BugzBunny> ArchLinux pushes updates while Manjaro updates go through phases before it reaches the public
[16:38:11] <axident> NanoSector: have you read that page, there is nothing in there definition that states it must be first on the frontline for updates.  Therefore by their own definition of THEIR rolling release model, there is no conflict.
[16:38:46] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, After a certain period, Fedora XX will reach EOL and will _NOT_ receive updates for that version
[16:39:06] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, I don't disagree with you... I believe both sides are correct.. Just needs clarification
[16:39:12] <NanoSector> axident: then if i told you my definition of a horse was a cow you'd have to agree with that too
[16:39:19] <BugzBunny> ha
[16:39:46] <axident> NanoSector: not when I can clearly see a horse.
[16:40:11] <NanoSector> axident: i clearly see a non-rolling model with manjaro, so loose comparison. it's not objective.
[16:40:56] <NanoSector> anyway i think we just need to agree to disagree
[16:41:00] <axident> NanoSector: Your definition is likely a minority, but never the less you are entitled to it.
[16:41:29] <NanoSector> the supporters of the flying spaghetti monster are a minority as well, yet it exists
[16:41:39] <Joseph> ...what
[16:42:02] <axident> NanoSector: existance does not make it factual though.
[16:42:02] <NanoSector> first analogy i could come up with. sorry.
[16:42:05] <BugzBunny> Don't forget Trump Minorities
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[16:42:10] <BugzBunny> :)
[16:42:17] <NanoSector> BugzBunny: I was kind of trying to avoid trump
[16:42:37] <NanoSector> axident: true, and this is where opnions come in
[16:43:22] <NanoSector> anyway i don't study philosophy and am glad i don't
[16:43:28] <NanoSector> so i'll agree to disagree
[16:43:51] <Batch> yo guys
[16:44:09] <NanoSector> hi Batch
[16:44:53] <axident> NanoSector: fair enough, was simply trying to understand your logic which I feel has been accomplished.
[16:45:05] <NanoSector> :)
[16:46:16] <axident> ok now back to my Solus installion to try and see if the netinstall will yield results... Thanks for all the help though guys! Good talk NanoSector.
[16:46:34] <Joseph> axident: g/l
[16:46:40] <axident> :)
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[16:58:10] <Besi> hi how install Teamwiever whats the comand code ??????
[16:58:30] <NanoSector> !aur teamviewer
[16:58:30] <Botergos> teamviewer - All-In-One Software for Remote Support and Online Meetings -- version 12.0.71510-6 - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/teamviewer
[16:58:34] <NanoSector> install it with yaourt
[16:58:53] <Joseph> Besi: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/teamviewer/
[16:58:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7wsx8W] AUR (en) - teamviewer
[16:59:28] <NanoSector> Besi: you install AUR packages with 'yaourt -S [package name]', no quotes
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[17:01:05] <axident> And I am back...
[17:01:22] <axident> This time I have another question though.
[17:02:00] <Joseph> Mhm?
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[17:02:15] <axident> Seeing as I already have the 17beta1 installer up and running would it be possible to install it, then change the options so it only grabs updates from the stable repos instead of the testing/unstable ones?
[17:02:35] <NanoSector> sure
[17:02:42] <NanoSector> you can even downgrade
[17:02:44] <Joseph> axident: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Access_the_Testing_Repositories#Change_Repository_Branch_.28temporary.29
[17:02:45] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/P6Jv79] Access the Testing Repositories - Manjaro Linux
[17:02:57] <Joseph> (You want the opposite, but same idea)
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[17:03:50] <Joseph> NanoSector: Downgrading is risky in their case, since support for their card seemed to be broken on the non-testing stable release
[17:03:59] <Joseph> (That's why they're on testing ...)
[17:04:05] <NanoSector> ah i see
[17:04:06] <axident> Hrm... that sounds like it might work better than netinstall as after reading the docs on the netinstall I lose some of the custom XFCE setup that it normally comes with.
[17:04:43] <axident> Yeah I wouldn't downgrade, just want to limit myself from getting a bunch of potentially unstable packages installed
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[17:09:35] <axident> does Manjaro require me to setup any other partions besides / and /home (I know it doesn't require /home I just want to keep my old /home directory)?
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[17:11:50] <Joseph> ...well, usually you'd also have a swap partition unless you have 512 GB of RAM :
[17:11:52] <Joseph> :)
[17:12:33] <axident> swap paritions on SSD safe or cause unneeded write actions?  I have 12GB ram
[17:13:18] <Joseph> axident: if it's your only drive, and thus the boot drive, you could get away without a swap partition maybe
[17:13:38] <Joseph> Er, sorry, botched that, let me rewrite
[17:13:51] <Joseph> axident: if it's your only drive, and thus the boot drive, you may not have a choice
[17:13:54] <Joseph> ^ There
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[17:14:30] <Joseph> http://askubuntu.com/questions/652337/why-no-swap-partitions-on-ssd-drives <<< More details here
[17:14:31] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/JJIWFP] Why no swap partitions on SSD drives? - Ask Ubuntu
[17:14:59] <axident> I have a 120GB SSD with 80GB dedicated to Winblows and a 2TB HDD with 1TB For Linux and 1TB for Winblows... my goal here is to test running Winblows in a Virtual Machine to see how some of my games might run and if possible only run Winblows in a VM from now on.
[17:15:10] <Joseph> Ah I see
[17:15:39] <axident> my /home is on the 1TB linux part and my / will be on SSD linux part
[17:16:35] <Joseph> I see, yeah, that's the way to do it -- the boot partition should be on the SSD to speed up program loading and booting
[17:16:39] <axident> so if testing works well then I will reformat the drives to be linux only
[17:16:44] <Joseph> yes
[17:17:53] <axident> ok I am currently running without a swap partition just fine so i think I would be okay without one here as well
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[17:19:23] <axident> oh damn, that's something the beta installer need to fix... didn't even warn me about formating the one partition and having the usual point of no return dialogue box.
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[17:19:51] <Joseph> axident: yeah, with 12GB RAM and an SSD you should be able to get away with 0 swappiness
[17:20:04] <Joseph> Unless you do something crazy like video editing
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[17:21:20] <axident> ok so I am worried that it won't boot after install... what steps should I take if it fails to load because of nVidia card?
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[17:22:20] <axident> the nouveau drivers don't work with this card, and the older versions all defaulted to the bumblebee drivers which also don't work with this card...
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[17:23:04] <axident> so I am just hoping it installs the right driver out of the box... but if not I am not sure how to use pamac LOL
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[17:42:32] <gawd> Is 512GB the biggest you can get with a Flash Drive ??
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[17:48:43] <PMunch> gawd, define flash drive
[17:49:42] <gawd> Pen Drive
[17:50:07] <Joseph> Oh a USB thumb drive
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[17:52:27] <melodie> I am unable to register to the manjaro forum : I tried, but I have not received any mail since several hours ago when I started to fill the form
[17:52:30] <PMunch> hmm, seems like it
[17:52:40] <PMunch> melodie, yeah. That's a known issue I think
[17:52:40] <melodie> I'm using Firefox 51.0.1 (64 bits)
[17:52:53] <PMunch> ringo ^
[17:52:57] <melodie> PMunch then how do I do that?
[17:53:00] <Joseph> melodie: I also tried, but it kept failing
[17:53:06] <Joseph> It's why I had to come to this channel in the first place
[17:53:16] <melodie> Joseph does it help?
[17:53:21] <PMunch> Something is broken in the sign-up thing server side I think
[17:53:22] <Joseph> Yes :)
[17:53:26] <melodie> does someone here help with that?
[17:53:33] <Joseph> With what exactly?
[17:53:37] <melodie> ok, who is it? Please name him or her! :D
[17:53:38] <Joseph> With Manjaro in general?
[17:53:45] <melodie> registration to the Manjaro forum
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[17:53:47] <PMunch> Forum sign up I'm guessing
[17:53:47] <Joseph> Oh
[17:54:03] <gawd> PNY VS Patriot
[17:54:06] <Joseph> Well, I don't know who admins the forum itself. What I mean is, if you had Manjaro support questions, this channel is also the place to ask
[17:54:31] <mparillo> melodie: I never got an e-mail confirmation back, but I found I was registered anyway. IIRC, you specify your password in your initial registration.
[17:54:43] <melodie> mparillo ?
[17:55:04] <melodie> I can't even click on the button to finish the registration in the window
[17:55:07] <melodie> it's grayed
[17:55:15] <Joseph> mparillo: The button to finish registration is disabled
[17:55:17] <mparillo> You were asking about registering for the forums? Ahh, different problem than I had.
[17:55:21] <melodie> I might try with Chromium... maybe more luck
[17:55:22] <mparillo> Sorry.
[17:55:31] <Joseph> I also had that exact same issue
[17:55:44] <melodie> what did you do to get it fixed?
[17:55:59] <Joseph> I mean, I had it when I tried to register -- I ever since gave up and just hang out here.
[17:56:07] <melodie> :o
[17:56:15] <Joseph> I prefer IRC anyway
[17:56:20] <Joseph> The realtime nature is better imho
[17:56:35] <melodie> I can't fill in a request on IRC
[17:56:48] <Joseph> what kind of request?
[17:58:15] <melodie> crap, in Chromium it works! :D
[17:58:22] <Joseph> I tried in FireFox
[17:58:24] <Joseph> And Chrome
[17:58:30] <Joseph> Same issue. Maybe I will try Chromium
[17:58:33] <Joseph> :D
[17:58:34] <melodie> a request to make the distro bootable in thinpads with Pentium M cpu
[17:59:18] <Joseph> Oh wait
[17:59:25] <Joseph> You had that PAE script thing, right?
[17:59:26] <melodie> you can have a look here : https://launchpad.net/~prof7bit/+archive/ubuntu/fake-pae
[17:59:28] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/MxsxrJ] fake-pae : Bernd Kreuss
[17:59:29] <Joseph> I remember you asked here
[17:59:31] <Joseph> Yes
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[17:59:42] <melodie> yes, it's in the package from that above page
[17:59:47] <Joseph> I see
[18:00:03] <melodie> once extracted, it's just a script http://pastebin.fr/49110
[18:00:05] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/t4pTJg] pastebin - outil de debug collaboratif
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[18:00:18] <melodie> a good one that works! I tested it back in time and so did the other users
[18:00:41] <melodie> then someone managed to put it into the distro (or the equivalent in the kernel rather)
[18:01:14] <melodie> anyway Manjaro is much faster than Ubuntu so for old boxes and even for newbies it could probably be a better choice
[18:01:23] <melodie> I dev this kind of Openbox desktop:
[18:01:47] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org/en/
[18:01:59] <melodie> I tried my config in Manjaro, it's perfect
[18:02:14] <melodie> I just had to compile obsession (logout standalone program)
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[18:02:18] <melodie> and that was it
[18:02:35] <melodie> https://bitbucket.org/obsession/
[18:02:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/vDdg7r] obsession — Bitbucket
[18:02:46] <melodie> there is a PKGBUILD in the archive ^^
[18:04:01] <melodie> wrong link https://bitbucket.org/fabriceT/obsession
[18:04:07] <melodie> this one is better
[18:04:57] <PMunch> And you want to switch it's base to Manjaro? But you need pao for that?
[18:05:07] <PMunch> Or rather for your needs
[18:05:57] <BugzBunny> Tune swappinesss so it doesn't write constantly to SSD
[18:06:22] <BugzBunny> If it's MLC and SATA 3.1, you should be fine
[18:07:00] * BugzBunny windows swap on my SSD TLC, SATA 3.0, and it's been 6 weeks, no lost in Fitness
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[18:09:59] <BugzBunny> Also, make sure to leave 20GB of free space, helps SSD Firmware to wear the Cells evenly, and if possible, try F2FS for /home
[18:11:57] <Batch> i hear something about pae here, i'll try to follow this
[18:12:01] <Batch> read* :p
[18:12:51] <Batch> anyway, i had problems with pae but the manjaro netbook iso solved it for the biggest part
[18:12:58] <BugzBunny> Nice
[18:13:07] <Batch> that edition isn't maintained anymore i think...
[18:13:17] <Batch> but here it is: https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarotorrents/files/community/netbook/2015.01/
[18:13:20] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ZRSI94] Manjaro Community Torrents -  Browse /community/netbook/2015.01 at SourceForge.net
[18:13:27] <BugzBunny> There is a Toshiba 4TB 3.5 72000RPM for 70 bucks... Eyes very closely
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[18:14:06] <BugzBunny> lol, "These ISO's are supported by someone in the Manjaro community and/or team."
[18:14:11] <BugzBunny> >.>
[18:14:25] <Batch> it's community BugzBunny
[18:14:48] <BugzBunny> They don't know is the problem.. anyway
[18:14:55] <Batch> i can confirm that it works on HP ze4900
[18:15:13] <Batch> it does give a warning on boot about doing fifo underrun pipe
[18:15:18] <Batch> but it works lol
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[18:18:33] <melodie> leaving now
[18:18:37] <melodie> good evening
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[18:18:42] <PipeItToDevNull> Why does this channel produce a LUKS message on join?
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[18:19:13] <Joseph> Huh you're right
[18:19:16] <Joseph> It's in the entry message
[18:20:21] <PipeItToDevNull> One link it has is an IRC log the other does not exist
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[18:53:13] <manjaro-web|3375> hi
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[18:57:48] <Celmor> hi
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[19:00:42] <manjaro-web|3375> guys i have o problem with upgrade
[19:01:52] <manjaro-web|3375> the system not load after the grub
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[19:03:33] <manjaro-web|3375> i try many installs
[19:03:50] <Celmor> "many installs"?
[19:04:03] <Celmor> do you mean different livecds?
[19:04:22] <manjaro-web|3375> usb
[19:04:48] <manjaro-web|3375> this install perfect but
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[19:05:29] <manjaro-web|3375> you have 380 upgrades...
[19:06:10] <Celmor> then install them
[19:07:06] <robin0800> manjaro-web|3375, the install media is old that is why
[19:07:13] <Celmor> What I'm getting is, you can install manjaro but after updating all packages you can't boot properly anymore?
[19:07:17] <manjaro-web|3375> sincerely, i dont read every, but after the system ini
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[19:07:41] <Celmor> please rephrase, that sentence makes no sense
[19:07:47] <manjaro-web|3375> but only a black window after the upgrade
[19:08:26] <Celmor> you mean after updating all of your packages after installing manjaro?
[19:08:44] <manjaro-web|3375> yes
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[19:09:12] <manjaro-web|3375> after updating the system broke
[19:09:22] <Celmor> have you rebooted after installing manjaro, did your manjaro installation boot properly at least once from disk?
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[19:09:55] <manjaro-web|3375> fully functional
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[19:10:51] <Celmor> have you rebooted before updating?
[19:11:10] <manjaro-web|3375> yes
[19:11:46] <Celmor> then, after you install manjaro again and reboot... try to selectively update packages and reboot every time
[19:11:55] <Celmor> and write down what you've updated
[19:12:08] <Celmor> so you know after which update the install breaks
[19:12:56] <Celmor> that's all I can help you with for now, since I gtg
[19:13:06] <manjaro-web|3375> same 380?
[19:13:16] <Celmor> only a few updates, not all of them
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[19:13:56] <Celmor> install manjaro -> reboot -> choose a few packages to update -> write down which you selected -> reboot -> repeat if you can properly reboot
[19:14:40] <manjaro-web|3375> ho
[19:14:51] <Celmor> you mean "how"?
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[19:15:17] <manjaro-web|3375> no, i am very
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[19:15:26] <Celmor> ?
[19:15:27] <manjaro-web|3375> desanimated
[19:15:47] <Celmor> what do you mean?
[19:16:08] <Celmor> discouraged?
[19:16:19] <manjaro-web|3375> how i can undo the upgrades
[19:16:53] <Celmor> it's difficult if you can't even boot into your installation
[19:16:53] <manjaro-web|3375> ?
[19:17:13] <manjaro-web|3375> pew
[19:17:18] <Celmor> re-install if you can
[19:17:23] <Celmor> than do what I said above
[19:17:34] <Celmor> then do what I said above*
[19:18:04] <manjaro-web|3375> this is very hard work... i ill try
[19:18:17] <Celmor> alright, good luck
[19:18:29] <manjaro-web|3375> thanks a lot
[19:18:35] <Celmor> no problem
[19:18:53] <manjaro-web|3375> sorry about my english
[19:19:00] <Celmor> no problem
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[19:43:33] <benfitzpatrick> hi guys, well, i got manjaro tools to build my ISO but it has this Icon error, idk why, all i did was paste custom Icon sets into my build, idk whats wrong http://pastebin.com/Vnjkk7de
[19:43:34] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/iDArhS] error icons - Pastebin.com
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[19:52:04] <benfitzpatrick> and i didnt find a answer for this on the forum
[19:52:12] <benfitzpatrick> or anywhere else
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[20:05:13] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, where did you specify the icons?
[20:07:00] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, they should be in etc/skel/.icons
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[20:13:43] <benfitzpatrick> ohh they're in usr/share/icons
[20:13:54] <benfitzpatrick> ill move em
[20:19:29] <benfitzpatrick> ok i moved my icons backgrouns and themes into my /etc/skel/.icons, themes and pictures folder now im seeing if it'll work
[20:20:51] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, .icons and .themes I hope
[20:21:03] <benfitzpatrick> yes
[20:21:17] <benfitzpatrick> and my backgrounds the /Pictures
[20:22:42] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, etc/skel/Pictures
[20:22:51] <benfitzpatrick> yep that's where it is
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[20:23:03] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, good
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[20:33:13] <benfitzpatrick> its building
[20:34:57] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, which bit are you at?
[20:35:15] <benfitzpatrick> xfce packages
[20:35:47] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, squashfs?
[20:36:00] <benfitzpatrick> its installing my custom packages
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[21:07:35] <benfitzpatrick> it builds with icons fine now woohoo
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[21:16:19] <noy|b> Hey, hows it going people?
[21:16:37] <rhg135> Meh
[21:16:42] <noy|b> Buying a new laptop today, anyone have any recommendations? I have about 1000 dollars.
[21:16:54] <rhg135> Not hp
[21:17:02] <noy|b> how come?
[21:17:30] <rhg135> Their build quality is lacking
[21:17:46] <rhg135> Mine is falling apart
[21:18:00] <benfitzpatrick> hmm, Dell?
[21:18:04] <noy|b> I have a toshiba portege, which has been good as far as performance, but the fucking thing has fallen apart on the outside. 2 keys have fallen off, the rubber bits underneath have fallen off and the battery died.
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[21:18:50] <rhg135> One key has fallen off and the casting is broken
[21:19:00] <rhg135> I'd say no
[21:19:02] <noy|b> rhg135: That's what's happened to my Toshiba. And I look after it. I use it a lot but shouldn't be falling to bits.
[21:19:12] <noy|b> Dell you reckon?
[21:19:15] <rhg135> But never brought Dell
[21:19:26] <dodgejcr> noy|b: dont listen to rhg135. I have hp spectre and its amazing. But dont buy cheap HP
[21:19:27] <rhg135> Same
[21:19:29] <dodgejcr> :D
[21:19:44] <rhg135> dodgejcr: he said $1000
[21:19:48] <benfitzpatrick> i agree i have a HP Probook 4530s, BEST laptop i ever bought
[21:19:54] <benfitzpatrick> $200
[21:19:59] <rhg135> Oh
[21:20:07] <rhg135> Then nvm
[21:20:11] <noy|b> well like I said I've got about 1000. Bear in mind I'm in Australia and they love charging us more for electronics over here.
[21:20:17] <rhg135> You got lucky
[21:20:24] <dodgejcr> $1000 is close to top of the line prices for HP.... This one was $1500+
[21:20:35] <benfitzpatrick> noy, PM me real qucik
[21:20:45] <rhg135> They event sent me mine defective :\
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[21:21:00] <rhg135> Mine was $800
[21:21:09] <dodgejcr> envy?
[21:21:17] <rhg135> Yup
[21:21:36] <dodgejcr> alright so lets agree with this... "Be selective on HP laptops, Envy sucks"
[21:21:49] <dodgejcr> Wife used to have an envy it the damn thing cracked a few times
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[21:21:56] <rhg135> And it's a great heater too
[21:22:00] <noy|b> I've been reading a lot about people using macbooks and putting linux on them. Something about the hardware being high quality. They cost a fortune though.
[21:22:07] <benfitzpatrick> btw this laptop does have UEFI but it can be disabled
[21:22:15] <rhg135> It burns my this
[21:22:23] <rhg135> Thighs*
[21:22:37] <noy|b> Yer there's always a way around UEFI isn't there?
[21:22:44] <dodgejcr> yeah
[21:22:50] <benfitzpatrick> yes
[21:22:58] <rhg135> ...
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[21:23:11] <benfitzpatrick> i just tap F10 to go in my bios, go to system configuration, and Boot options and disable UEFI
[21:23:20] <dodgejcr> but I wouldnt buy a mac just to put linux on it. You can find a high quality laptop with similar or better specs for about $1000 cheaper in most cases
[21:23:23] <benfitzpatrick> it would be UEFI boot mode in this case
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[21:23:36] <rhg135> Do people even know what UEFI is?
[21:23:49] <benfitzpatrick> i do
[21:23:49] <dodgejcr> lol interface :D
[21:23:58] <benfitzpatrick> Unified Extensible firmware interface
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[21:24:02] <robin0800> rhg135, I do
[21:24:19] <noy|b> yer that's what i've always done when I've encountered it. I have had some trouble figuring out how to boot from a USB on an ACER, but it was an older one.
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[21:24:27] <rhg135> Then why would you want to not use it if it works?
[21:25:13] <dodgejcr> ^^^ that why. They dont understand how it works or how to actually use it with linux :D
[21:25:24] <rhg135> Yup
[21:25:24] <dodgejcr> because disabling isnt using it with linux
[21:25:42] <rhg135> It's far simpler
[21:25:51] <dodgejcr> just simply have a grub binary in efi partition
[21:25:52] <noy|b> No I wasn't going to buy a Mac, the new ones are 3000 dollars over here.
[21:26:35] <dodgejcr> noy|b: same here. This laptop has i7,16gb ram, 512GB ssd, 4k screen, usb-c and 10+hr battery. $1500
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[21:27:02] <rhg135> Does the surface pro 4 work with Manjaro?
[21:27:05] <noy|b> nice specs must be really quick
[21:27:30] <rhg135> That'd be my pick
[21:27:40] <dodgejcr> rhg135: I think they are getting better at surface support all around but I dont know how good it is
[21:28:00] <dodgejcr> even still surface pros are a bit overpriced I think. 2000+
[21:28:16] <noy|b> Yer I can't spend 1500, I blame the kid, fucking 150 dollars a week for her daycare now
[21:28:31] <rhg135> Well, any better hybrid laptops?
[21:28:37] <noy|b> She doesn't pay her way at all. Not even bothering to look for a job.
[21:28:47] <dodgejcr> thats what I pay for mine as well :/
[21:28:56] <dodgejcr> well. $145 a week
[21:29:34] <noy|b> Yer and you have to pay it otherwise how do you go to work?
[21:29:50] <noy|b> And I was only joking about her getting a job, she's only 2
[21:29:52] <dodgejcr> school but yeah same principle
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[21:30:09] <noy|b> Where do you live?
[21:30:23] <noy|b> Is that a private school
[21:30:26] <dodgejcr> us
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[21:30:39] <dodgejcr> its a daycare
[21:31:16] <noy|b> oh
[21:31:18] <noy|b> right
[21:31:25] <rhg135> Well, that's the price you pay for nice things
[21:31:38] <dodgejcr> I go to school* only work on the weekends
[21:31:38] <noy|b> I saw the word principle and thought school for some reason
[21:31:44] <noy|b> right
[21:32:34] <noy|b> well her Mothers not around at the moment so if I don't pay the daycare I can't go to work. They don't let you bring kids onto construction sites
[21:32:59] <noy|b> that's only for 3 days a week that 150
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[21:33:07] <Batch> dodgejcr hey
[21:33:09] <noy|b> lucky my old girl watches her the other 2 days
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[21:33:51] <dodgejcr> noy|b:  this is what I have. except mine is 15" 4k screen http://tinyurl.com/zzbq2jp
[21:33:53] <Botergos> [No short url] HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 13.3" Touch-Screen Laptop - Intel Core i7 - 16GB Memory - 512GB Solid State Drive Silver 13-w023dx - Best Buy
[21:34:14] <dodgejcr> see if you can find one used or something in your area. Its an amazing device
[21:34:14] <noy|b> what's a 4k screen?
[21:34:37] <dodgejcr> hey Batch
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[21:35:03] <Batch> dodgejcr i found someone with an orangepi
[21:35:14] <Batch> didn't buy one for myself yet
[21:35:16] <dodgejcr> noy|b: resolution. UHD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution
[21:35:17] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/n6ZB2L] 4K resolution - Wikipedia
[21:35:20] <Batch> but this might be interesting
[21:35:29] <Batch> he has it running on a public ip dodgejcr
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[21:36:00] <manjaro-web|2220> greetings everyone
[21:36:19] <dodgejcr> gotta run now, class time. Batch Ill catch you later :D
[21:36:43] <Batch> dodgejcr k take care
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[21:38:13] <noy|b> ok thanks
[21:38:17] <noy|b> dodge
[21:39:00] <idata> hello, i am a new manjaro xfce user, since 10 minuts
[21:39:03] <noy|b> That's another problem I had with this toshiba, was when watching any type of fast moving video, about 3 quarters of the way up the screen is a flickering sort of line
[21:40:12] <Joseph> noy|b: what Toshiba is it? iGPU or discrete?
[21:40:21] <noy|b> and it was impossible to get rid of it. I went from xubuntu, to mint, to manjaro, i tried different drivers, anything I could think of or find and nothing worked
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[21:40:32] <noy|b> toshiba portege z30-A
[21:41:04] <BugzBunny> Poor people on IRC.. ROFL
[21:41:11] <Joseph> ...?
[21:41:18] <BugzBunny> Lies, like no Women on IRC :-p
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[21:42:09] <noy|b> lol I actually got it because it was TVSN offer, and they sent it to you after one 300 dollar payment
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[21:42:36] <Joseph> noy|b: that is a bit puzzling. that laptop seems to have Intel HD Graphics 4400 as the iGPU
[21:42:43] <Joseph> noy|b: and as far as I can see, that has good Linux support
[21:42:48] <noy|b> yer it dose
[21:42:49] <noy|b> does
[21:43:05] <Joseph> huh, weird.
[21:43:13] <noy|b> and I've talked to people on here, in the mint rooms, in the arch rooms and no one can figure out what the problem is
[21:43:19] <Joseph> Yeah that makes no sense
[21:43:21] <Joseph> It's weird indeed
[21:43:27] <Joseph> Hm
[21:43:28] <noy|b> best guess has been faulty hardware
[21:43:47] <Joseph> Yeah that could be it, because the hardware per se does seem to have good Linux drivers
[21:43:49] <noy|b> and when I plug a hdmi cord into the TV and play the videos its fine
[21:43:50] <Joseph> and support from the kernel
[21:44:06] <NanoSector> HD Graphics 4400 should work fine
[21:44:13] <Joseph> It should, yes
[21:44:21] <Joseph> But it doesn't in noy|b's case, that is what's puzzling
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[21:45:02] <NanoSector> what's the exact problem? i just joined and scrollback doesn't reach that far
[21:45:05] <noy|b> I've tried different players, drivers, and every fix anyone has suggested or i've found online myself.
[21:45:16] <noy|b> That's another problem I had with this toshiba, was when watching any type of fast moving video, about 3 quarters of the way up the screen is a flickering sort of line
[21:45:16] <Joseph> noy|b> That's another problem I had with this toshiba, was when watching any type of fast moving video, about 3 quarters of the way up the screen is a flickering sort of line
[21:45:23] <NanoSector> ah
[21:45:40] <noy|b> its worse when the video is chopping scenes
[21:45:42] <Joseph> noy|b: did it come preinstalled with Windows?
[21:45:47] <noy|b> yes it did
[21:46:00] <NanoSector> noy|b: are you experiencing tearing when you move e.g. windows?
[21:46:01] <Joseph> noy|b: And was that problem also on Windows? Or did you just get rid of it and install Linux
[21:46:15] <Batch> i had it happening when i didn't have drivers installed or had screantearing on working drivers :p
[21:46:35] <noy|b> I just got rid of it
[21:46:43] <Joseph> Heh I see
[21:46:57] <Joseph> Would have been useful to see if that platform also had the issue. That would have guaranteed a hardware issue
[21:47:10] <noy|b> platform?
[21:47:14] <Joseph> As in, OS
[21:47:24] <noy|b> yer true
[21:47:27] <Joseph> Like, if Windows also had that issue
[21:47:31] <noy|b> I still have the discs
[21:47:31] <Joseph> Then you know your board is fucked
[21:47:39] <noy|b> they came with it
[21:47:47] <NanoSector> noy|b: are you using xf86-video-intel? and have you tried -modesetting?
[21:48:04] <noy|b> and like i said i've put serveral different distros with the same problem
[21:48:25] <Joseph> and all those distros were the "plug and play" kind, that automatically fetch the best driver I assume
[21:48:30] <Joseph> Ubuntu, Mint, etc
[21:48:37] <NanoSector> which usually is xf86-video-intel
[21:48:41] <Joseph> Yeah
[21:48:47] <NanoSector> except for fedora i think which dropped it in favor of -modesetting
[21:48:52] <Joseph> Aha
[21:49:04] <noy|b> yes but you can choose drivers on xubuntu and mint if you want. And i tried them
[21:49:12] <Joseph> I see
[21:49:17] <noy|b> there was the open source one and the closed source
[21:49:23] <Joseph> Right
[21:49:26] <noy|b> modesetting I'm not sure if I tried that
[21:49:27] <NanoSector> noy|b: do you have a separate NVIDIA graphics card?
[21:49:35] <NanoSector> Intel doesn't provide closed source drivers
[21:49:38] <noy|b> no it's intel
[21:49:51] <Joseph> NanoSector: I looked at the laptop and afaics it doesn't have a separate discrete GPU
[21:49:52] <noy|b> well there was 2 to choose from
[21:49:53] <NanoSector> noy|b: pastebin 'lspci | grep -e 3D -e VGA'
[21:49:55] <Joseph> Just the Intel HD
[21:50:07] <NanoSector> noy|b: no quotes
[21:50:09] <noy|b> i guess the intel one and the open source then
[21:50:11] <noy|b> ok
[21:50:31] <Joseph> noy|b: is this your laptop? https://www.cnet.com/products/toshiba-portege-z30-a1301-13-3-core-i5-4300u-8-gb-ram-128-gb-ssd/specs/
[21:50:32] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/reClu0] Toshiba Portégé Z30-A1301 Specs - CNET
[21:50:35] <noy|b> this is a while ago since i've tried anything to fix it, at least a year
[21:51:14] <noy|b> [noyfb@Z30-A ~]$ lspci | grep -e 3D -e VGA
[21:51:14] <noy|b> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
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[21:51:23] <NanoSector> that's all?
[21:51:35] <NanoSector> what kernel are you on? (uname -r)
[21:51:43] <noy|b> yep that's it joseph
[21:51:47] <Joseph> Well if that's his laptop, there shouldn't be anything else
[21:51:51] <Joseph> noy|b: I see
[21:51:53] <NanoSector> better to be safe than sorry
[21:52:00] <noy|b> 4.4.41
[21:52:14] <noy|b> oh and i've tried lots of differnt kernels
[21:52:16] <Joseph> And have you by any chance tried newer versions?
[21:52:21] <NanoSector> including 4.9/4.10?
[21:52:22] <Joseph> Even newest ones? 4.9.2 say
[21:52:28] <noy|b> this is the newest one i've used
[21:52:35] <NanoSector> try 4.9
[21:52:36] <Joseph> Try the 4.9.2 then, for example
[21:52:49] <NanoSector> a lot of bugfixing goes into the GPU drivers with every kernel release
[21:52:53] <Joseph> Yeah, I agree
[21:52:59] <noy|b> ok I will
[21:53:01] <Joseph> My 2010 (!) netbook had a kink fixed
[21:53:04] <Joseph> In the newest kernels
[21:53:10] <NanoSector> it's best to stay on the newest kernel if you care about performance and stability
[21:53:11] <Joseph> From late 2016/early 2017
[21:53:13] <Joseph> So who knows
[21:53:27] <NanoSector> :)
[21:53:38] <noy|b> The other issue I had with this laptop was the touchpad on newer kernels
[21:53:44] <noy|b> it jumped terribly
[21:54:11] <NanoSector> noy|b: might be that xf86-input-synaptics was replaced by xf86-input-libinput
[21:54:17] <NanoSector> libinput isn't that mature for touchpads yet
[21:54:23] <noy|b> like it was so sensitive a breath of air would send it across the screen
[21:54:25] <Joseph> Yeah, synaptics is a lot better for touchpads
[21:54:28] <noy|b> but this kernel is good
[21:54:42] <Joseph> libinput is pretty buggy
[21:54:48] <NanoSector> though libinput 1.6 when that gets released into manjaro provides a great enhancement for touchpad acceleration
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[21:55:08] <Joseph> I see
[21:55:10] <noy|b> and 3.16 was good
[21:55:16] <NanoSector> noy|b: try 4.9 anyway
[21:55:19] <Joseph> ^
[21:55:19] <noy|b> i will
[21:55:32] <Joseph> Have a see. if your touchpad is too buggy to use, connect a USB mouse or something temporarily
[21:55:43] <NanoSector> yeah
[21:55:49] <NanoSector> you can coinstall kernels so you can swap between then on boot
[21:55:56] <noy|b> yep
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[21:56:35] <iloveru> hello
[21:56:38] <iloveru> i have question
[21:56:44] <iloveru> it is possible to make a donation in bitcoin
[21:56:44] <NanoSector> but you can always revert to xf86-input-synaptics, it's not completely deprecated yet
[21:56:48] <iloveru> to manjaro ?
[21:56:54] <iloveru> ;3
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[21:57:44] <NanoSector> iloveru: hmm, donation page lists regular payments only, sorry :( you can ask on the forums though
[21:57:47] <noy|b> nano: you mean you can revert to xf86-input-synaptics without rolling back the kernel?
[21:57:54] <NanoSector> https://manjaro.org/donate/
[21:57:56] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/hi2KXW] Donation | Manjaro Linux
[21:57:57] <iloveru> NanoSector: thx
[21:58:01] <NanoSector> noy|b: yeah
[21:58:06] <iloveru> please add bitcoin donations ^^
[21:58:07] <NanoSector> noy|b: xf86-* are Xorg drivers
[21:58:08] <noy|b> I didn't know that
[21:58:27] <NanoSector> noy|b: there's multiple pieces in the graphics and input stack
[21:58:38] <iloveru> i have discover manjaro yesterday
[21:58:47] <iloveru> and it's my new system
[21:58:49] <noy|b> I'm surprised because I tried a lot of fixes for tht problem too. Even xorg config levels
[21:58:50] <iloveru> very good and beatiful
[21:58:58] <iloveru> Donate
[21:58:59] <iloveru> Account data
[21:59:01] <iloveru> Pay Pal
[21:59:05] <iloveru> hmm please add bitcoin ^^
[21:59:25] <noy|b> I'm surprised no one mentioned that, because I wanted to use a newer kernel but was stuck on 3.16 for a long time
[21:59:56] <NanoSector> noy|b: imagine being a taxi
[22:00:04] <noy|b> because every new one I tried, often just to see if i could fix the video display problem, would send the touchpad funny
[22:00:09] <NanoSector> noy|b: the kernel is a taxi, and has a driver included (GPU driver)
[22:00:21] <NanoSector> noy|b: but the driver needs to be told where to go (Xorg driver, xf86-* packages)
[22:00:47] <Joseph> OK now that's the first time I've seen that analogy
[22:00:48] <Joseph> lol
[22:00:51] <NanoSector> :)
[22:00:54] <NanoSector> i like analogies
[22:01:06] <noy|b> lol
[22:01:31] <NanoSector> either way different directions can be given
[22:01:42] <NanoSector> one passenger can tell the driver to go right, but the other can tell him to go left
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[22:03:05] <noy|b> unrelated question, is git lab back up
[22:03:20] <NanoSector> last i checked they were still recovering
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[22:04:10] <NanoSector> noy|b: seems it was reopened 3 hours ago
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[22:05:06] <noy|b> i just ran the update then and wouldn't download
[22:05:12] <noy|b> gstreamer
[22:05:26] <noy|b> wait a second
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[22:06:05] <NanoSector> hmm?
[22:06:09] <NanoSector> oh gstreamer0.10
[22:06:11] <NanoSector> ?
[22:06:16] <noy|b> yep
[22:06:35] <noy|b> scratch that it went through
[22:06:48] <noy|b> receiving objects now
[22:06:49] <NanoSector> ah nice
[22:07:54] <noy|b> Another really ordinary part of this portege was the speakers.
[22:07:59] <noy|b> worst ive ever heard
[22:08:05] <NanoSector> lol
[22:08:19] <noy|b> I had to install pulseaudio equalizer just to hear talking on youtube videos
[22:08:21] <NanoSector> pulseaudio has an equalizer, might fix it up a little
[22:08:28] <NanoSector> oh, heh
[22:08:36] <noy|b> have to pump the treble and mid range frequencies right up
[22:08:48] <noy|b> I couldn't believe it for a 1500 dollar laptop
[22:08:55] <NanoSector> :P
[22:08:58] <noy|b> cheap buggers
[22:09:04] <NanoSector> I was surprised with the speakers in my ASUS Zenbook
[22:09:16] <Joseph> does that ZenBook run Linux well?
[22:09:27] <noy|b> are they good or bad
[22:09:42] <NanoSector> Joseph: I run Windows, kind of want to focus on working, but I heard mixed stories
[22:09:47] <NanoSector> might try it in the future
[22:10:00] <NanoSector> OS: 64 bit Windows 10 Home (Version 10.0 Build 14393), CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7500U CPU @ 2.70GHz @ 2904 MHz 512 KB Cache, MEM: 8074 MB, 57% (4560 MB) free, DISKS: total 237 GB - 145 GB free, GFX: Intel(R) HD Graphics 620 1024 MB, SCREEN: Algemeen PnP-beeldscherm, 1920 x 1080 @ 32 bit, 60 Hz, AUDIO: Realtek High Definition Audio, UPTIME: 1 d, 9 h, 5 m
[22:10:02] <Joseph> yeah I was curious because I've heard horror stories from people trying to get Linux to boot on it
[22:10:07] <NanoSector> yeah
[22:10:31] <NanoSector> It doesn't have very special hardware though, but I heard the touchpad is detected as a mouse
[22:10:39] <Joseph> ... lol
[22:10:59] <benfitzpatrick> its worked guys, i have a custom manjaro 64bit ISO
[22:11:07] <Joseph> benfitzpatrick: cool
[22:11:17] <benfitzpatrick> it took a CRAP ton of work but i did it
[22:11:30] <NanoSector> noy|b: anyway, I *love* this laptop, everything about it is kind of great
[22:11:39] <iloveru> how to make baby ?
[22:11:45] <iloveru> sorry :p
[22:11:46] <Joseph> iloveru: Wrong channel
[22:11:49] <iloveru> ^^
[22:11:51] <iloveru> oh shit
[22:11:54] <Joseph> (Possibly wrong network too)
[22:11:55] <iloveru> but i have manjaro linux
[22:12:01] <iloveru> haha f*** u x)
[22:12:12] <iloveru> rooo it's okey
[22:12:17] <NanoSector> iloveru: you just answered your own question
[22:12:19] <NanoSector> :P
[22:12:19] <iloveru> sorrry i have stopped your conversation
[22:12:27] <Batch> benfitzpatrick what did you do?
[22:12:30] <iloveru> my english is not good
[22:12:38] <iloveru> so i have seen an intense discussion
[22:12:44] <iloveru> i would like to stop id ;p
[22:12:51] <benfitzpatrick> ironically it says "no space left on device" when installing the EFI bootloader
[22:12:52] <benfitzpatrick> darn
[22:12:54] <noy|b> nano how much was that ASUS?
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[22:13:06] <benfitzpatrick> false alarm
[22:13:24] <NanoSector> noy|b: It was on sale from €1000 to €830, but since I ordered it via a company I can get 21% of it back, so I end up paying around €650
[22:13:37] <iloveru> benfitzpatrick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW5oGRx9CLM
[22:13:39] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/hbvAVN] The Weeknd - False Alarm - YouTube
[22:13:42] <NanoSector> noy|b: i7 7500U, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, GeForce GTX 950M
[22:13:45] <iloveru> good sounds :p
[22:14:11] <noy|b> geForce card as well
[22:14:13] <iloveru> sorry ><
[22:14:20] <benfitzpatrick> anyway... i had this same error last time
[22:14:30] <NanoSector> noy|b: yeah, though optimus on linux is next to useless
[22:14:30] <noy|b> the i7 with the ssd must be lightening fast
[22:14:51] <noy|b> what do you mean useless?
[22:15:08] <NanoSector> noy|b: it is, but it's not faster than an i5 with SSD :P
[22:15:10] <benfitzpatrick> ironically this error has come up again
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[22:15:28] <NanoSector> noy|b: Optimus on Linux has so much of a performance loss that you end up only having about 40% of the actual performance
[22:15:36] <Batch> NanoSector you got new lappy recently?
[22:15:36] <NanoSector> noy|b: often, Intel graphics are faster
[22:15:41] <NanoSector> Batch: yesh
[22:15:51] <Joseph> Assuming it doesn't act up :-/
[22:15:55] <Joseph> Like it is in noy|b's case
[22:16:00] <iloveru> SO
[22:16:00] <noy|b> Do you notice any problems from that
[22:16:04] <iloveru> i can't make a donation :'(
[22:16:07] <Batch> oh nice man
[22:16:09] <NanoSector> noy|b: what do you mean?
[22:16:20] <noy|b> sorry missed what u said
[22:16:25] <NanoSector> it's this model btw: https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ASUS-ZenBook-UX510UX/
[22:16:26] <benfitzpatrick> well im stumped ..
[22:16:26] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/eYPh6P] ASUS ZenBook UX510UX | Notebooks | ASUS Global
[22:16:28] <noy|b> so the i5 and ssd is faster
[22:16:40] <NanoSector> noy|b: nah, not faster, but not noticeably faster
[22:16:48] <Joseph> The SSD is what makes the difference, really
[22:16:50] <Batch> omg NanoSector
[22:16:57] <Batch> wanna see which one i want?
[22:16:57] <NanoSector> Batch: ?
[22:17:00] <NanoSector> sure
[22:17:13] <noy|b> I was blown away when I got this computer with my first ssd.
[22:17:15] <NanoSector> Joseph: yeah, it's just a SATA 6 Gbps drive
[22:17:17] <noy|b> so fast
[22:17:19] <Batch> NanoSector https://www.alternate.be/ASUS/VivoBook-X540SA-XX644T-BE-15-6-notebook/html/product/1304152
[22:17:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/0Ws5n4] (link was unresponsive: https://www.alternate.be/ASUS/VivoBook-X540SA-XX644T-BE-15-6-notebook/html/product/1304152)
[22:17:33] <NanoSector> Batch: nice
[22:17:38] <noy|b> I'm used to it now anytime I get on a HDD i complain
[22:17:52] <NanoSector> noy|b: haha, ikr
[22:18:01] <Batch> should weight less then the current one but no nvidia, i don't care lol
[22:18:10] <benfitzpatrick> weird, it worked all fine then the EFI bootloader tells me no space left on device, ugh
[22:18:17] <Joseph> benfitzpatrick: Huh'
[22:18:26] <Batch> but man, now you got a badass testbench NanoSector
[22:18:26] <NanoSector> Batch: it's a nice machine for office tasks
[22:18:35] <NanoSector> :D
[22:18:47] <benfitzpatrick> Joseph, it told me no space left on device when it installs the bootloader to my build ISO
[22:18:57] <Batch> yeah, i'd take it for the weight
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[22:19:02] <Batch> and the quadcore
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[22:19:13] <NanoSector> I was so surprised when I lifted this out of the box, almost used too much force
[22:19:21] <benfitzpatrick> this same thing happened last build
[22:19:30] <Batch> how much does it weight NanoSector ?
[22:19:40] <NanoSector> Batch: close to 2kg
[22:19:48] <benfitzpatrick> http://pastebin.com/DDnKkxFG here's what it tells me
[22:19:49] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/0SgfA9] manjaro build error bootloader - Pastebin.com
[22:20:02] <Batch> awh not bad then
[22:20:08] <NanoSector> benfitzpatrick: does the partition your /var is on have space?
[22:20:24] <benfitzpatrick> yes
[22:20:47] <NanoSector> benfitzpatrick: pastebin 'df -h' please
[22:21:13] <benfitzpatrick> ohh my bad it's full
[22:21:44] <NanoSector> Batch: this thing lasts forever too, i've not yet had to charge it because it was empty since i first charge it. though i do charge it overnight
[22:21:45] <benfitzpatrick> http://pastebin.com/hSZv9nCR
[22:21:45] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/z94MdB] df -h ben - Pastebin.com
[22:21:52] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, have you disabled pxe in profile-config
[22:22:06] <benfitzpatrick> no
[22:22:10] <benfitzpatrick> im not sure how
[22:22:23] <NanoSector> benfitzpatrick: did you mount something in that directory? I don't know how building an ISO works
[22:22:26] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, do so set it to false
[22:22:37] <Batch> i wonder how long the one i want would last NanoSector
[22:22:46] <Batch> how many hours are you on it now NanoSector ?
[22:22:58] <benfitzpatrick> robin0800, i did
[22:23:00] <benfitzpatrick> just now
[22:23:16] <benfitzpatrick> but idk how to clean my build folder
[22:23:18] <NanoSector> Batch: well the hardware is relatively weak but for Linux it's fine, could last you a good year or 6 if you just use it for office tasks
[22:23:23] <benfitzpatrick> in /dev/loop0
[22:23:42] <NanoSector> Batch: I've been using it since 3pm today till now, and it has 50% battery left
[22:23:45] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, did you uncomment it
[22:23:48] <Batch> NanoSector i also meant battery actually
[22:23:52] <Batch> nice!
[22:23:55] <benfitzpatrick> robin0800, yes
[22:23:58] <NanoSector> Batch: so that's 7.5 hours or so
[22:23:59] <Joseph> NanoSector: Well what time is it now where you are?
[22:24:03] <Joseph> I see
[22:24:08] <Joseph> Damn
[22:24:11] <Joseph> That's pretty good
[22:24:26] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, and its still failing?
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[22:24:35] <benfitzpatrick> robin0800, ya
[22:24:58] <NanoSector> my old lappy had reasonably good battery life but this is so much better
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[22:25:35] <Batch> i wonder how these laptops would perform with linux, my mother has this one but we wanna keep it with win10 currently: https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/589121/archos-140-cesium.html
[22:25:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Yun85P] Archos 140 Cesium - Prijzen - Tweakers
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[22:26:03] <Batch> 900 gram NanoSector lol
[22:26:17] <NanoSector> Batch: my tablet runs on an Atom Z3745 and Linux isn't very fast on it
[22:26:18] <Batch> kinda of mac lookalike
[22:26:20] <NanoSector> 1GB RAM only though
[22:26:31] <NanoSector> Win10 is so slow on it as well
[22:26:41] <Batch> yeah it's all on emmc
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[22:26:46] <NanoSector> yeah
[22:27:09] <Joseph> Batch: 1 GB is kind of limited, and the 32GB flash memory is... hard to get Linux on it. Sometimes it won't work, but first you need to format the flash drive you want to use with GPT
[22:27:18] <Batch> the design is what attracted me to it, and the quad core again
[22:27:22] <Joseph> it's a PITA
[22:27:26] <Batch> for 200€
[22:27:36] <Batch> Joseph yeah
[22:27:42] <Batch> i'd need 32 bit uefi iso
[22:27:48] <Batch> i researched it allready
[22:27:51] <NanoSector> there was a really cute ASUS laptop
[22:27:52] <NanoSector> hang on
[22:27:56] <Batch> but i wonder about the performance
[22:27:58] <Joseph> OK here's something about quad cores though
[22:28:01] <Batch> k
[22:28:09] <Joseph> If you want to compile programs concurrently in parallel, that's good
[22:28:18] <NanoSector> Batch: https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/570851/asus-vivobook-r209ha-fd0034t/specificaties/
[22:28:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Ulv9ev] Asus VivoBook R209HA-FD0034T - Specificaties - Tweakers
[22:28:20] <Joseph> but most of the time you'd value single thread performance over many cores
[22:28:27] <Joseph> this is something I see all the time
[22:28:29] <NanoSector> Atom x5-Z8350
[22:28:35] <NanoSector> 2GB RAM and 32GB flash
[22:28:45] <NanoSector> and I believe it has room for a 2.5" drive
[22:28:54] <Batch> hers has z3735f
[22:28:59] <Batch> not sure if alota difference
[22:29:06] <Batch> oh
[22:29:11] <benfitzpatrick> robin0800, yes it still failed
[22:29:19] <Batch> but 11" is too bad
[22:29:28] <Batch> but yeah it's nice
[22:29:38] <Batch> SSD	1x
[22:29:44] <Batch> i see
[22:30:00] <NanoSector> Batch: Atom x# is newer
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[22:30:05] <NanoSector> i'm not sure what the main diff is
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[22:30:24] <Joseph> Intel's ark site is the best to see that
[22:30:27] <Joseph> to compare CPU's
[22:30:35] <NanoSector> ChanServhttp://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Atom-x5-x5-Z8300-vs-Intel-Atom-Z3735F
[22:30:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ow6Sw8] Intel Atom x5 x5-Z8300 vs Z3735F
[22:30:38] <NanoSector> derp
[22:30:47] <NanoSector> anyway it's not a whole lot of a difference
[22:30:51] <robin0800> benfitzpatrick, see here https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-tools-13-14-failing/13913
[22:30:52] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/r1eVDD] Manjaro Tools 13 & 14 failing - Manjaro Development - Manjaro
[22:31:06] <Batch> http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-x5-Z8350-vs-Intel-Atom-Z3735F
[22:31:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/xbwynN] Intel x5-Z8350 vs Atom Z3735F
[22:31:29] <NanoSector> yeah, it's not much faster
[22:32:10] <Joseph> OK here http://ark.intel.com/compare/93361,52213,52214
[22:32:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/rIL4K8] ARK | Compare Intel® Products
[22:32:18] <Joseph> This is the official one, straight from horse's mouth
[22:32:28] <Joseph> Woops
[22:32:29] <Joseph> Wrong one
[22:32:39] <NanoSector> why are you comparing it to i7's? :(
[22:32:42] <Batch> well doesn't look too bad
[22:32:56] <Joseph> lol yeah I was looking at the comparison going. "THIS IS A FUCKING ATOM???"
[22:33:03] <mike-zal> are chromebooks not better? they usually run linux well
[22:33:06] <Batch> that price lol
[22:33:12] <Batch> 21$
[22:33:14] <Joseph> lol
[22:33:37] <Joseph> http://ark.intel.com/compare/80274,93361
[22:33:38] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/3tPxQb] ARK | Compare Intel® Products
[22:33:38] <Joseph> OK here
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[22:34:02] <mike-zal> by the way, a friend of mine, launched a manjaro spin with openbox, called mabox - it's very lightweight
[22:34:10] <NanoSector> interesting
[22:34:20] <Batch> i saw it in sourceforge mike-zal
[22:34:20] <mike-zal> today was a polish premiere, but english one will be in few days
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[22:34:31] <Batch> sound nice
[22:34:45] <mike-zal> torrents are ready for english version
[22:34:45] <NanoSector> amazing that you could get such chips for just $21
[22:34:56] <Joseph> mike-zal: thanks, I may check it out. i have a netbook coming in soon, may give it a try on that
[22:35:05] <mike-zal> all it needs is some site, which is not fully ready
[22:35:26] <Batch> it will be a standard for simple fieldwork i think NanoSector
[22:35:32] <Batch> having such chipsets
[22:35:39] <NanoSector> Batch: hm?
[22:35:47] <mike-zal> Joseph: there will be an info on manjaro forum soon about its release
[22:35:53] <NanoSector> you mean those will be popular when working on the go?
[22:35:54] <Joseph> mike-zal: Nice
[22:36:02] <Batch> yeah bussiness people that need to be mobile all the time
[22:36:03] <Batch> yeah
[22:36:05] <NanoSector> yeah
[22:36:15] <NanoSector> they're light and last all day
[22:36:20] <NanoSector> don't need much more
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[22:36:54] <Batch> i'm thinking, do you have an idea how much mAh your battery has NanoSector ?
[22:37:00] <Batch> capacity
[22:37:08] <NanoSector> pfff i can install batterycare, hang on
[22:37:12] <NanoSector> no clue out of my head
[22:37:13] <mike-zal> Joseph: maybe I'll get a torrent link, from this edition author
[22:37:14] <Batch> ok
[22:37:16] <NanoSector> think it was 48 wH
[22:37:19] <NanoSector> Wh
[22:37:21] <NanoSector> whatever
[22:37:22] <NanoSector> :P
[22:37:38] <Joseph> mike-zal: nice. it'll have both 32-bit and 64-bit editions? Because Arch upstream recently decided to drop i696
[22:37:40] <Batch> running on how many volts? :p
[22:37:41] <Joseph> i686*
[22:38:12] <mike-zal> Joseph: https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarotorrents/files/spins/Mabox/17.02/
[22:38:15] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/U96AGx] Manjaro Community Torrents -  Browse /spins/Mabox/17.02 at SourceForge.net
[22:38:23] <mike-zal> Joseph: not sure about that
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[22:38:36] <Joseph> mike-zal: just curious, mine will be amd64
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[22:39:27] <mike-zal> Joseph: this was pre-premiere link ;). it's not officially out yet, but the iso is ready, only annoucemnt and page must be prepared
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[22:40:14] <Joseph> mike-zal: d/ling :0
[22:40:15] <Joseph> :)
[22:40:16] <NanoSector> Batch: doesn't list mAh but it has a capacity of 48 Wh
[22:41:02] <Joseph> NanoSector: if you knew voltage, we can get mAh
[22:41:30] <NanoSector> 11400 mV
[22:41:34] <mike-zal> Joseph: there is i686 version, so you can try it out.
[22:42:01] <NanoSector> i think it's 48 Wh, it mentions 47857 mWh
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[22:42:35] <Vlado9A> In my case, 61Wh = 5300mAh (10.8V)
[22:42:42] <Batch> millivolts is kindalike mAh ?
[22:42:45] <Joseph> 4210.5 mAh
[22:42:50] <Joseph> From your figures
[22:42:54] <Celmor> what's this supposed to mean "warning: lock file missing /var/lib/pacman/db.lck" why would it complain if it's missing, I only ever saw that file mentioned in an error when it _existed_
[22:43:11] <NanoSector> Joseph: and what does that say? I kind of never paid attention during power classes :x
[22:43:13] <Batch> awh nice
[22:43:39] <Joseph> NanoSector: basically, every hour, the battery pushes through a current of one miliamp through the system
[22:43:53] <NanoSector> according to batterycare it uses 3W of power when idling
[22:44:11] <Joseph> I see
[22:44:14] <Joseph> yeah, kind of typical.
[22:45:13] <Batch> that kind of gives an idea to compare different machines architecture
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[22:45:43] <NanoSector> 2.7W when I disable the keyboard backlight and turn down the screen brightness 1 step
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[22:46:23] <Batch> embrace it man :p
[22:47:12] <NanoSector> :P
[22:47:39] <Batch> the vivobook should do on 33Wh
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[22:48:17] <NanoSector> yeah but it has a lot more power efficient hardware
[22:48:32] <Batch> but then the battery has the half of cells of yours
[22:48:43] <Batch> yours have 6 cells i think?
[22:48:47] <NanoSector> no clue
[22:49:51] <Celmor> what machine do you have?
[22:50:09] <NanoSector> Celmor: ASUS ZenBook UX510UX
[22:50:20] <NanoSector> Batch: doesn't really mention it anywhere
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[22:50:45] <Celmor> yep, not listed in the database I use for such things either
[22:51:33] <Batch>  original battery for asus UX510UX, 11.4 voltage, 4240 mAh, 6 cells, Li-ion laptop batteries
[22:51:51] <Joseph> 3840X2160
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[22:51:52] <Batch> makes it a little more transparent
[22:51:53] <Joseph> Not bad
[22:52:22] <NanoSector> Joseph: nah just 1080p
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[22:58:54] <NanoSector> hmm
[22:59:00] <NanoSector> gitlab seems like a cool company thing
[22:59:42] <NanoSector> i mean, i've never seen before that a company lets you view something like data recovery, live :x
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[23:00:34] <Joseph> probably semi-offtopic here, but I'm giving elementaryOS a spin one of my netbooks
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[23:01:32] <NanoSector> that reminds me i still need to look at fixing up pantheon support on arch
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[23:02:40] <Joseph> NanoSector: oh, you're an Arch dev?
[23:02:45] <NanoSector> nope
[23:02:51] <Joseph> Or just a contributor
[23:02:59] <NanoSector> i just package some of the pantheon components in AUR
[23:03:02] <NanoSector> amongst other things
[23:03:04] <Joseph> I see
[23:03:20] <NanoSector> but there's only -bzr, unstable versions. i kind of want to add stable-ish versions
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[23:06:40] <Celmor> 2609.06 MiB of updates after just 2 days I updates last time? jesus, now I remember why I do this so seldom
[23:06:49] <Joseph> lol
[23:06:51] <Celmor> updated*
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[23:07:11] <NanoSector> lol
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[23:10:27] <iloveru> what
[23:10:41] <iloveru> ho
[23:10:58] <NanoSector> hm?
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[23:12:01] <iloveru> nothing ^^
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[23:16:57] <Joseph> mike-zal: I see this wasn't made with laptops in mind
[23:17:03] <Joseph> I can't seem to find power settings lol
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[23:18:57] <iloveru> [23:18] [473] iloveru #love Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
[23:18:59] <iloveru> :(
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[23:37:55] <mike-zal> Joseph: it's first release. there will be improvements.
[23:38:04] <Joseph> mike-zal: I see
[23:39:03] <mike-zal> I'll ask about power settings
[23:39:52] <Joseph> mike-zal: k
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[23:40:37] <Joseph> mike-zal: does it have a channel here?
[23:40:48] <_Biofobico> night
[23:40:51] <Joseph> Night
[23:41:02] <mike-zal> Joseph: I'll be here for about 40 min. if mabox developer shows and answers, I'll let you know. if not now then tomorrow
[23:41:08] <Joseph> mike-zal: Sure
[23:41:25] <mike-zal> Joseph: yes, but it's a polish speaking channel, but you can join and ask in english
[23:41:32] <Joseph> I will idle
[23:41:40] <mike-zal> Joseph: it's #manjaropl
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