January 26, 2017 
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January 26, 2017 [00:05:13] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> ok it worked ![00:05:17] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> yesssss[00:05:23] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> all thanks to Bugz[00:08:29] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has joined #manjaro[00:11:52] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[00:12:02] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:12:32] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E268.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:15:02] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:15:07] *** joaojotta <joaojotta!~joaojotta@acb1-84-91-18-209.netvisao.pt> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:15:49] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@141.84.69.85> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:16:15] *** philosopher-king <philosopher-king!~philosoph@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/philosopher-king> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:17:06] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[00:17:19] *** tarok <tarok!~tarok@mon75-4-82-224-194-165.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[00:18:20] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Thanks in advance.[06:17:53] <rhg135> there is, and in time[06:18:08] <PipeItToDevNull> Manjaro has a Wiki, but you can just use the extensive Arch wiki, most of it still applies[06:18:20] *** lucasem <lucasem!uid147261@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtnpexcdmxgbiunn> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[06:18:33] <PipeItToDevNull> Bash is bash, no matter the distro[06:18:55] <rhg135> I'm pretty sure there is a manual somewhere, but if it were that helpful then this channel wouldn't be as busy lol[06:19:52] <PipeItToDevNull> MusicoGeek: Are you having any issues in particular or just looking for resources to read?[06:20:19] *** Lowl3v3l_ <Lowl3v3l_!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-084-063-124-078.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[06:21:42] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3312.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:22:03] <MusicoGeek> Lol, thanks Pipe for the answers... just looking for resources. Not an expert user, but been around Debian and AVLinux for Multimedia production, recently migrated to Manjaro, just really simple of install and get things working.[06:22:39] <MusicoGeek> Thanks also rhg![06:28:48] *** MusicoGeek <MusicoGeek!be8efd1d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.190.142.253.29> has left #manjaro[06:32:46] *** chaos7theory <chaos7theory!~darth@2602:ae:16de:bb00:5093:5b64:e76e:c7ca> has joined #manjaro[06:35:35] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-5232.dyn.kponet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:35:42] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3472.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[06:37:58] <chaos7theory> What's Manjaro's current theme (Xfce)? Apparently menda-maia is deprecated[06:38:21] *** negen <negen!~negen@46.166.190.167> has joined #manjaro[06:38:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v negen[06:39:22] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@host86-191-186-58.range86-191.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[06:39:29] <negen> wife does not want me to open my second bottle of wine[06:39:51] <negen> guess i will have to tap into my jonny walker blue label[06:41:34] <dodgejcr> chaos7theory: vertex-maia[06:41:40] <dodgejcr> negen: cheers mate[06:41:48] <chaos7theory> dodgejcr, thanks[06:42:41] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[06:43:22] <negen> well i guess i the laws around here are that i am drunk on the anniversary of my birth[06:43:28] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@2a00:23c5:3900:f000:e814:d9b7:5db8:a843> has joined #manjaro[06:43:58] <dodgejcr> negen: no such thing. Happy birthday and bottoms up[06:44:13] <Vlado9A> happy birthday :)[06:44:53] <negen> no such thing ?[06:45:53] <negen> i wish ringos was here[06:46:32] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@195.142.136.17> has joined #manjaro[06:46:39] <PipeItToDevNull> Vertex-Maia is amzing[06:49:43] <Sorch> Uh.. I asked this question a few days ago but I shall ask again. My ethernet adapter 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06) with my current kernel 4.4.41-1-MANJARO #1 SMP has network throughput but yet when i switch to the 4.8 or 4.9 series of kernels i get no throughput with a desiniation host unreachable anyone any ideas on a fix?[06:50:48] <hedgie> I wish I did. I have the same problem[06:51:10] *** nuuuciano_ <nuuuciano_!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:51:21] <Sorch> hedgie, its only with manjaro[06:51:27] <hedgie> for me, it is[06:51:30] <Sorch> I've used pure arch and its fine..[06:52:19] <Sorch> hedgie, i even tired installing the latest mainline kernel and it still behaves the same way[06:52:24] <hedgie> if I have to reinstall my OS, I'm just going to go back to tumbleweed[06:52:55] <Sorch> suse based?[06:52:58] <hedgie> yeah[06:53:13] <Sorch> ah[06:53:31] <Sorch> it honestly seems to be an issue with the manjaro kernels[06:53:39] <hedgie> the rolling version. manjaro is much less of a PITA when it comes to the nvidia drivers though[06:53:47] <Sorch> yep[06:53:59] <hedgie> when I asked people said to just file a bug report[06:54:08] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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is there a good reason that extra/linux49-spl does not work properly (there is a SPL related error when installing linux49: implicit declaration of function ‘GROUP_AT’)?[07:46:38] <RIDDICC> linux49-spl should be version >=0.7[07:51:49] *** tarok <tarok!~tarok@mon75-4-82-224-194-165.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[07:52:43] *** RIDDICC <RIDDICC!~RIDDICC@x4dba70bb.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC ()[07:56:07] *** Lowl3v3l_ <Lowl3v3l_!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-074-145-011.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[07:56:42] *** Lowl3v3l__ <Lowl3v3l__!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-075-099-164.088.075.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[08:00:17] *** chomwitt <chomwitt!~chomwitt@athedsl-31597.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:06:22] *** Lowl3v3l_ <Lowl3v3l_!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-074-145-011.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[08:07:19] *** Lowl3v3l_ <Lowl3v3l_!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-074-146-064.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[08:08:10] *** PipeItToDevNull <PipeItToDevNull!~PipeItToD@pool-108-51-88-9.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[08:08:57] *** geek <geek!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has joined #manjaro[08:17:38] *** Hobbyboy <Hobbyboy!Hobbyboy@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-liywsepnrgjncmoz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:17:48] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[08:17:57] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@pD9E1DE3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[08:20:14] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has joined #manjaro[08:22:41] *** tarok <tarok!~tarok@mon75-4-82-224-194-165.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[08:22:48] *** tarok <tarok!~tarok@mon75-4-82-224-194-165.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:28:59] *** cor1u1m <cor1u1m!~corium@94.242.252.40> has joined #manjaro[08:33:50] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #manjaro[08:34:07] <thid> morning[08:38:37] *** ringo <ringo!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[08:40:32] *** Shay <Shay!86e4c8a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.228.200.162> has joined #manjaro[08:40:46] <Shay> What sup[08:41:04] <rhg135> I can assure you spl does work on 4.9[08:42:08] <Shay> Anyone know why "mhwd -i pci video-nv" would fail trying to pacman install "xf86-video-nv"?[08:42:30] <rhg135> It should say why[08:42:41] <Shay> target not found: xf86-video-nv[08:42:53] <Shay> because its not in the official repo[08:43:23] <rhg135> Then, that's why[08:43:42] <Shay> Wellp, manjaro cant be installed then[08:43:51] <Shay> :P[08:44:25] <rhg135> I don't use Nvidia so can't help, sorry[08:44:55] <Shay> ah[08:45:06] *** unknown_soldier <unknown_soldier!~unknown_s@197.156.133.81> has joined #manjaro[08:45:30] <Shay> mhwd gives me 3 options and all three have the same error trying to install, even the one i have to uninstall, cant be re-installed. once uninstalled..[08:45:41] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@p200300C24BE1D417B984760B9BEA1D0F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[08:45:41] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@p200300C24BE1D417B984760B9BEA1D0F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:46:22] <rhg135> Update your mirrors maybe[08:46:40] <Shay> Could try i guess, whats the command :P[08:47:06] <rhg135> paman-mirrors -g[08:47:38] <Shay> alright, i'll be back, have to reboot into it...[08:49:31] *** apqlzm <apqlzm!~manjaro-k@185.62.205.145> has joined #manjaro[08:50:40] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@pD9E1DE3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[08:52:29] *** Shay <Shay!86e4c8a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.228.200.162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[08:53:17] *** Shay <Shay!86e4c8a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.228.200.162> has joined #manjaro[08:54:22] *** eNTi <eNTi!~eNTi@188-22-6-220.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[08:54:28] <Shay> nope. "video-nouveau" (already installed) doesnt let xorg start, "video-nv" (which would work) is missing a package, and "video-vesa" requires me to uninstall xorg-server, which would break everything[08:55:14] <Shay> i had to do something like this with my old gpu, but it gave me the option to use nvidia-340xx, which its not now[08:55:23] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@pD9E1DE3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[08:56:08] *** Hobbyboy <Hobbyboy!Hobbyboy@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-qptnagapvytuyamh> has joined #manjaro[08:58:59] *** Shay is now known as ShayBox[09:00:34] <rhg135> What GPU is this btw?[09:00:43] <ShayBox> MSI GTX 1050[09:00:43] <rhg135> To never buy one[09:00:46] <ShayBox> xD[09:00:49] <rhg135> Ok[09:01:12] <ShayBox> it works fine on antergos, and other distro's i've tried. but manjaro isnt giving me the option to install a nvidia-prop driver, only nouvea[09:01:41] <ShayBox> well it is, but its missing a package... so...[09:01:45] <ShayBox> fml[09:02:33] <ShayBox> BugzBunny helped me fix my similar problem with my old GT 630[09:04:01] *** rumflump <rumflump!~weechat@unaffiliated/olscumpy> has quit IRC (Quit: rumflump)[09:05:12] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!uid206209@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvoadkznvpxtjlvj> has joined #manjaro[09:06:04] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E84F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[09:06:29] *** lambda-11235 <lambda-11235!~lambda-11@72.173.18.157> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[09:13:31] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@pD9E1DE3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[09:13:31] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@pD9E1DE3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:15:42] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[09:16:47] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has joined #manjaro[09:19:31] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[09:20:44] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-186-75.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:22:32] *** Hobbyboy <Hobbyboy!Hobbyboy@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-qptnagapvytuyamh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[09:26:30] *** Hobbyboy <Hobbyboy!Hobbyboy@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-ilnphracvzntmqmi> has joined #manjaro[09:26:57] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[09:29:57] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has joined #manjaro[09:31:19] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3472.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[09:31:45] *** rudha <rudha!~rudha@p200300760E267731FC6E464CB3E0042B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[09:41:27] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@pD9E1DE3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:44:56] *** atlimit8 <atlimit8!~quassel@206.126.212.162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[09:47:05] *** rudha <rudha!~rudha@p200300760E267731FC6E464CB3E0042B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[09:49:39] *** peetaur2 <peetaur2!~peter@i4DF67CD2.pool.tripleplugandplay.com> has joined #manjaro[09:49:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v peetaur2[09:51:35] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~manjaro@93-62-133-164.ip22.fastwebnet.it> has joined #manjaro[09:51:39] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~manjaro@93-62-133-164.ip22.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[09:52:40] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[09:52:50] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3472.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[09:52:52] *** tmsbrdrs_ <tmsbrdrs_!~tmsbrdrs@24-241-31-30.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[09:59:04] *** ShayBox <ShayBox!86e4c8a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.134.228.200.162> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[10:01:03] *** rudha <rudha!~rudha@p200300760E22A5D72C468A1BE8A48316.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[10:05:40] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@92.101.109.112> has joined #manjaro[10:05:52] *** manjaroi3 is now known as amberhiri[10:07:34] *** amberhiri <amberhiri!~manjaro-i@92.101.109.112> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:07:44] *** rajivmars <rajivmars!~rajivmars@47.29.32.8> has joined #manjaro[10:09:10] <rajivmars> my system tray just show a notification that "you are running with unsupported kernel, remove it". what do i do now? anybody help please.[10:14:03] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kryxzrlebmybwcgr> has joined #manjaro[10:14:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v vexare[10:14:42] *** enkeys <enkeys!enkeys@nat/redhat/x-phyhduyfffvtcugp> has joined #manjaro[10:17:02] <ringo> rajivmars, uname -u ?[10:17:47] <rajivmars> ringo, this is the output "Linux rajivmars-pc 4.4.41-1-MANJARO #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jan 9 09:33:22 UTC 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux"[10:18:16] <ringo> you have more kernels installed ?[10:18:29] <ringo> 4.4 is a lts until january 2018[10:18:44] <rajivmars> yeah, yesterday i updated the whole system.[10:19:40] <ringo> mhwd-kernel -li[10:19:43] <ringo> ?[10:20:36] <rajivmars> this is the output " 4.4.41-1-MANJARO (linux44)[10:20:36] <rajivmars> The following kernels are installed in your system:[10:20:36] <rajivmars> * linux44[10:21:15] <ringo> weird[10:21:28] <badbodh> msm notifier wrongly identifies "supported" kernels[10:21:31] <badbodh> ignore it[10:22:07] <badbodh> you can disable the notification part. don't really need it[10:22:46] <badbodh> when a kernel is eol, you will see a message in the update logs[10:22:47] <rajivmars> i have just run "pacman-Syy", and now the manjaro settings manajer says i am running with the perfect kernel. why is this happened.[10:23:01] *** adamalii <adamalii!~manjaro-i@128.199.207.187> has joined #manjaro[10:23:07] <adamalii> hello[10:23:23] <badbodh> without the repo data, msm thinks everything is "unsupported" :D[10:23:25] <rajivmars> ok, thanks for help..[10:23:34] <badbodh> do pacman -Scc and reboot, it will whine again[10:23:48] <badbodh> that's why i disable the stupid thing[10:24:51] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@dhcp-19-19.cs.uit.no> has joined #manjaro[10:26:28] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@dhcp-19-19.cs.uit.no> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:26:36] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@dhcp-19-19.cs.uit.no> has joined #manjaro[10:28:13] *** rajivmars <rajivmars!~rajivmars@47.29.32.8> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:28:27] *** space_otter <space_otter!~space_ott@2602:306:32e8:cf60:a284:ed24:cb0f:59> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:28:35] *** enkeys <enkeys!enkeys@nat/redhat/x-phyhduyfffvtcugp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:31:52] *** enkeys <enkeys!enkeys@nat/redhat/x-grpascwgmfaycuwy> has joined #manjaro[10:39:17] *** hade <hade!~manjaro-k@182.253.200.18> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[10:39:43] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:41:29] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-186-75.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has joined #manjaro[10:43:10] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has joined #manjaro[10:44:01] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has joined #manjaro[10:44:10] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:51:54] *** tripped <tripped!~trip@c-73-221-22-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[11:02:05] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[11:04:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mnemonic[11:04:40] *** mnemonic sets mode: +v ringo[11:04:44] *** mnemonic sets mode: +v mnemonic[11:04:46] *** mnemonic sets mode: -o mnemonic[11:07:41] *** Lowl3v3l_ <Lowl3v3l_!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-074-146-064.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[11:08:17] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@2001:a61:40ed:5b01:10b4:64c2:2a52:d2c> has joined #manjaro[11:09:51] *** unknown_soldier <unknown_soldier!~unknown_s@197.156.133.81> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[11:10:55] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@2001:a61:40ed:5b01:10b4:64c2:2a52:d2c> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:14:54] *** amatrelan <amatrelan!~amatrelan@dcdx5hyyyyyyyyyyyyymt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi> has joined #manjaro[11:14:57] <amatrelan> Helllo![11:15:49] <amatrelan> Can anyone recommend good music player for manjaro? Checked few of them but some seems to be dead(dormant) projects currently[11:16:17] <adamalii> mpd[11:16:22] <du01> hey :). i mainly use the cloud but vlc seems to do the trick[11:17:46] <adamalii> ncmpcpp is very active[11:18:31] <Jeannie> I like my guayadeque player[11:19:07] <adamalii> or deadbeef if u want "gui",both is active as hell[11:19:34] <Jeannie> Deadbeef, what a disgusting name[11:21:36] <amatrelan> haha finally installed non-i3 de and was hoping to use some gui but looks like it's good to go back to terminal mpc[11:21:36] <amatrelan> mpc[11:21:36] <amatrelan> coc[11:21:36] *** amatrelan <amatrelan!~amatrelan@dcdx5hyyyyyyyyyyyyymt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:21:44] *** amatrelan <amatrelan!~amatrelan@dcdx5hyyyyyyyyyyyyymt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi> has joined #manjaro[11:21:47] <amatrelan> oho sry[11:21:50] <amatrelan> moc[11:22:33] <amatrelan> but I think I try that deadbeef first[11:23:54] <adamalii> well deadbeef is the closest to mpc/mpd like with gui[11:24:58] <Jeannie> Why would one want a player without gui?[11:25:15] <amatrelan> ok, Used quite long moc in i3 but now installed linux on my workstation so would love to try different players[11:25:23] <amatrelan> those are really easy to use[11:25:27] <amatrelan> after you get hang of it[11:25:51] <Jeannie> Like fiddling around with various keyboard shortcuts instead of simply clicking things?[11:26:25] <amatrelan> well those are more defined towards laptops and old pc's[11:26:37] <amatrelan> I don't even use mouse at all with my laptop[11:26:46] <Jeannie> You mean like computers made in the last millenium?[11:27:13] <du01> keeping the hands on they keyboard is ultimately faster[11:27:15] <adamalii> why would one want use DE like i3? i ask myself those question dozen times before[11:27:27] <Jeannie> i3 is no de[11:28:13] <adamalii> then i use it now in my office,tunneling through irc[11:28:28] *** ringo <ringo!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye ALL#)[11:31:06] *** robotrolll <robotrolll!~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll> has joined #manjaro[11:31:07] <amatrelan> well that is morelike a preference thing to use just keyboard but I didn't first like it but now after year / 2 later I cant even think use laptops mouses anymore, just a keyboard[11:31:47] <Jeannie> Well, if you use outated underpowered technology and or have 4 arms and hands, that might make sense[11:32:09] *** ShayBox <ShayBox!~ShayBox@cblmdm134-228-200-162.buckeyecom.net> has joined #manjaro[11:32:12] <adamalii> wow that escalated quickly[11:32:54] <du01> lol that made me picture goro from streetfighter using a computer[11:33:01] *** Erfan <Erfan!2ee1a976@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.46.225.169.118> has joined #manjaro[11:33:03] <amatrelan> haah[11:33:07] <Jeannie> whoever that is[11:33:14] <Erfan> :|[11:33:22] <ShayBox> rnydam, (i think your the person i talked to earlier) I got it working, i had to use the testing build of manjaro, because it has Kernel 4.9, and nvidia 370+ (for GTX 1000 series+)[11:33:49] *** robotroll <robotroll!~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:33:50] *** robotrolll is now known as robotroll[11:34:16] *** Erfan <Erfan!2ee1a976@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.46.225.169.118> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:36:26] <ShayBox> anyone know how to install cower anymore?[11:37:35] *** kkarsko <kkarsko!8d46519a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.70.81.154> has joined #manjaro[11:37:42] <ShayBox> keeps showing "Cannot find the strip binary required for object file stripping." when it used to just be a gpg key error[11:37:56] *** habernir <habernir!~habernir@bzq-79-179-62-229.red.bezeqint.net> has joined #manjaro[11:38:31] *** rajivmars <rajivmars!~rajivmars@47.29.32.8> has joined #manjaro[11:38:55] *** habernir <habernir!~habernir@bzq-79-179-62-229.red.bezeqint.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:38:59] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[11:39:13] <ShayBox> nevermind, figured it out[11:39:16] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@150.129.236.106> has joined #manjaro[11:39:19] <ShayBox> needed binutils from base-devel[11:39:22] *** habernir <habernir!~habernir@bzq-79-179-62-229.red.bezeqint.net> has joined #manjaro[11:39:58] <rajivmars> whenever i wanted to open chromium in manjaro, it tells me to enter the key ring. i don't know what is key ring, i just wanted to disable it. how can i disable it?[11:40:34] <ShayBox> select the top encryption method, and dont enter a key, it will stop asking[11:41:34] <du01> i had to rename gnome-keyring-daemon[11:42:00] <rajivmars> ShayBox , how?[11:42:12] <rajivmars> i am new in linux[11:42:39] <ShayBox> first time you open chromium it would ask what password to give it, dont give it one and it will stop[11:43:12] <ShayBox> alternatively you could just remove the gnome-keyring-daemon, if its not required by any other packages[11:43:28] <rajivmars> ShayBox, and what if i have made a keyring password already?[11:43:58] <ShayBox> if you have, you could find out where gnome-keyring-daemon stores the password file and delete it, so it thinks its a new start[11:44:29] <ShayBox> try "rm ~/.local/share/keyrings/login.keyring"[11:44:30] <rajivmars> and how should i do this?[11:44:36] <rajivmars> ok[11:46:55] <rajivmars> ShayBox, this is the output "cannot remove '/home/rajivmars/.local/share/keyrings/login.keyring': No such file or directory"[11:47:21] <ShayBox> try opening up that folder and seeing if it exists or if the keyring is named something diffrent in that folder[11:47:32] <rajivmars> ok[11:48:48] <kkarsko> Is there no net-install iso for the newer versions? On SF I only see kde, xfce and xdelta[11:49:16] *** rajivmars <rajivmars!~rajivmars@47.29.32.8> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[11:49:33] <ShayBox> newer versions?[11:49:42] <ShayBox> like the beta builds?[11:50:05] <ShayBox> https://manjaro.org/manjaro-preview-releases/[11:50:06] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/MU7GJe] Manjaro Preview Releases | Manjaro Linux[11:50:26] *** Nizumzen <Nizumzen!~Nizumzen@cpc2-reig5-2-0-cust667.6-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[11:50:37] <kkarsko> Thanks! I followed the wiki, it took me here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarolinux/files/release/[11:50:41] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Bim2Dc] Manjaro Linux - Browse /release at SourceForge.net[11:50:46] <ShayBox> np[11:51:28] <ShayBox> wow... alot of people use the xfce over kde O.O[11:51:42] <amatrelan> simpler and cleaner ui[11:51:47] <ShayBox> and nobody uses xdelta LUL[11:52:21] <du01> i like xfce but i'm not a fan of the compistor so i run openbox with it[11:52:48] <Jeannie> I still wonder why xfce is the "flagship" edition[11:53:16] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@net-2-40-226-205.cust.dsl.teletu.it> has joined #manjaro[11:53:27] <ShayBox> i've never tried xfce besides in a VNC and it didnt look so good, but i guess it must be good if 15K people use it over the 6K on KDE[11:54:18] <Jeannie> I used xfce as replacement for Gnome2 some time ago and found it horrible[11:55:24] <dogue> Xfce is the most configurable DE that doesn't require a Ph.D to configure, imho. ;)[11:55:28] <m4sk1n> I love Xfce[11:55:35] <ShayBox> lul[11:55:35] <manjaro-jwm> hello to everybody im new on manjaro distro I would like to know how can i refresh the jwm menu? Please let me kno as you can Thank you Bye for now Al-[11:55:51] <ShayBox> jwm?[11:55:52] *** mattallmill <mattallmill!~mattallmi@ip174-70-145-40.ks.ks.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[11:56:21] <manjaro-jwm> yes it's the gui interface[11:56:24] <ShayBox> is that on the xdelta version?[11:56:30] <ShayBox> or something?[11:57:06] *** cor1u1m <cor1u1m!~corium@94.242.252.40> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[11:57:06] <ShayBox> but i suppose you could restart the computer :P[11:57:10] <du01> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/JWM#Logout_and_refresh[11:57:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/v2YFc4] JWM - ArchWiki[11:58:27] <manjaro-jwm> http://joewing.net/projects/jwm/index.shtml[11:58:28] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/i6sd2j] joewing.net | JWM (Joe's Window Manager)[11:58:48] <manjaro-jwm> yes is it[12:00:04] <m4sk1n> IMHO Xfce is simply beautiful http://imgur.com/a/CRd5H[12:00:05] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/GFEDZn] Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet[12:01:27] <ShayBox> looks cool[12:02:31] <manjaro-jwm> yes i see but it's too eavy for my pc[12:02:41] <ShayBox> its very lightweight[12:02:59] <ShayBox> maybe not his, but without a compositor[12:04:37] <Jeannie> Vanilla xfce is ugly as the prolonged back of a 100 year old man[12:04:57] <m4sk1n> It can look even better. While waiting for new xfwm4, compton (which is used in Manjaro JWM) should be used for better performance[12:05:09] <BugzBunny> let me rub my magic ball[12:05:14] <Jeannie> New xfwm4? Maybe in 2020[12:05:20] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, Your problem is fixed![12:05:23] <BugzBunny> w000t[12:05:44] <ShayBox> wb bugz[12:05:59] <BugzBunny> Yup yup yup[12:06:02] <ShayBox> had a slight problem with the stable release of manjaro and my 1050 but the dev build works good[12:06:12] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor (3.20GHz) • Memory: 7.9 GiB Total (4.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 860.4 GiB / 931.6 GiB (71.2 GiB Free) • VGA: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics • Uptime: 10h 54m 31s[12:06:16] <BugzBunny> Red Team!![12:06:16] <ShayBox> well, "good"[12:06:20] <BugzBunny> >.>[12:06:31] <m4sk1n> No, sorry, Manjaro JWM was using xcompmgr, which is a bit heavier, Compton is a fork of xcompmgr[12:06:41] <ShayBox> 370+ nvidia drivers are unstable so...[12:06:46] <BugzBunny> Nvidia, looks at Jeannie, spits[12:06:57] <Jeannie> Nvidia spits?[12:07:06] * BugzBunny spits[12:07:10] <Jeannie> On me?[12:07:11] <ShayBox> what was that cmd again?[12:07:11] *** totalkrill_ <totalkrill_!~totalkril@h-28-78.a159.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #manjaro[12:07:14] <BugzBunny> LOL[12:07:20] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, On you ? wtf?[12:07:23] <BugzBunny> xD[12:07:24] * ShayBox vomits on amd[12:07:28] <ShayBox> sorry, had a bad day Kek[12:07:32] <BugzBunny> lol[12:07:44] <ShayBox> what cmd was the spec thing again?[12:08:00] <ShayBox> nvm[12:08:01] <Jeannie> So if Nvidia and AMD graphics suck, what's left?[12:08:04] <ShayBox> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ManjaroLinux "Gellivara" 17.0-beta1 • CPU: AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor (1.80GHz) • Memory: 7.6 GiB Total (5.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 44.8 GB / 791.5 GB (746.7 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS880 Host Bridge • Uptime: 50m 29s[12:08:16] <ShayBox> intel intergated[12:08:31] <ShayBox> 1.8Ghz WUT[12:08:34] *** manjaro-web|8215 <manjaro-web|8215!5634e14f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.52.225.79> has joined #manjaro[12:08:35] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, No no no no no, Nvidia is high price for hippies[12:08:37] <ShayBox> thats supposed to be 3.2ghz...[12:08:48] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, AMD is for people who love games :-p[12:09:07] <Jeannie> And AMD is windows optiimsed stuff with crappy drivers[12:09:10] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, Probably capture the speed it's at now?[12:09:16] <ShayBox> i thought amd had bad linux drivers and had bad performance on linux[12:09:39] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, Lies, you don't even use windows, it's blasphemy for you.. .So how would you know?[12:09:46] *** Joseph_ <Joseph_!~Penskins@gateway/tor-sasl/penskins> has joined #manjaro[12:10:06] *** Joseph_ is now known as Joseph[12:10:12] <ShayBox> it'd be more likely direct x comes out for linux natively than amd being better than linux :P[12:10:15] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, That's true, but AMD contributed to Radeon, which is the best open source drive, you don't need closed source drivers[12:10:20] *** amatrelan <amatrelan!~amatrelan@dcdx5hyyyyyyyyyyyyymt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:10:26] <BugzBunny> At least, up to polaris[12:10:27] <Jeannie> How would you know that I don't use windows becauseit is basphey? I am no fundamentalist idiot[12:10:46] *** kkarsko <kkarsko!8d46519a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.141.70.81.154> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[12:10:47] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, I look at you spelling, bad day?[12:10:47] <ShayBox> yall are a coupple of nutz supporters Kek[12:11:02] <Jeannie> No, shitty keyboard[12:11:30] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, Because, I know, you are very picky, and you hate shit that look like Tablets/Windows[12:11:44] <BugzBunny> So, It would mind bongling to see you on Windows...[12:11:50] <Jeannie> I indeed hate smearscreen devices and uis[12:11:53] <BugzBunny> I can imagine it now.. you cursing at the screen[12:12:16] <BugzBunny> Yup[12:12:28] <ShayBox> you hate smartscreen?[12:12:34] <BugzBunny> lol[12:12:35] <ShayBox> that can be turned off....[12:12:53] <ShayBox> i hate cortana, becuase if you try to disable websearching, it breaks it all together[12:13:04] <ShayBox> atleast in the anv update[12:13:14] *** manjaro-mate <manjaro-mate!~manjaro-m@46.166.188.225> has joined #manjaro[12:13:32] <BugzBunny> Not true[12:13:43] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~strit@87-62-150-162-static.dk.customer.tdc.net> has joined #manjaro[12:13:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Strit_Laptop[12:13:45] *** manjaro-mate <manjaro-mate!~manjaro-m@46.166.188.225> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:13:47] <Jeannie> I hate touchscreens, yes[12:13:48] <BugzBunny> You can disable it, you just won't have Cortana[12:13:57] <ShayBox> exactly[12:13:59] <BugzBunny> That's the sucky part[12:14:29] <ShayBox> i need cortana for searching for programs, i dont need it to find files and folders, or web results. but microsoft combined them all into cortana in anv update[12:14:30] <BugzBunny> I have Cortana enabled here but to TBH[12:14:41] <BugzBunny> I never use Cortana as a search engine[12:14:48] <Jeannie> Tell the nsa my best greetings[12:15:07] <BugzBunny> TBH, after a few months of using it, I haven't find Cortana useful at all[12:15:13] <ShayBox> i just installed manjaro because it borked, i use search to open EVERY program[12:15:30] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, You can still search for programs with Cortana disabed, what are you talking about[12:15:45] <thid> BugzBunny: nope u can't[12:15:49] <BugzBunny> Jeannie, NSA is not spying on me, MS gathering data, yes, spying[12:15:56] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor (3.20GHz) • Memory: 7.9 GiB Total (4.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 860.4 GiB / 931.6 GiB (71.2 GiB Free) • VGA: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics • Uptime: 11h 4m 16s[12:15:57] <thid> once u disable cortana search don't work[12:15:58] <ShayBox> not in the anaversery update (spelled wrong) if you try to disable the websearching, it breaks all searching[12:16:11] <thid> 1607 update[12:16:18] <BugzBunny> Maybe we talking about two different things[12:16:18] <ShayBox> yep ^[12:16:33] <thid> the next big update will block uninstalling default apps[12:16:36] <thid> like camera, xbox etc[12:16:39] <BugzBunny> I know, I've done it, disable Cortana, and still have the search feature[12:16:48] <thid> BugzBunny: not on 1607[12:16:52] <ShayBox> i used to do it BugzBunny but it was patched[12:17:07] <ShayBox> pisses me off[12:17:08] * BugzBunny checks his build[12:17:16] <ShayBox> Win + R type "winver"[12:17:34] <BugzBunny> LOL, as I press Win + R and type Winver[12:17:39] <BugzBunny> Noo, I didn't know that[12:17:41] <ShayBox> build: 1607 is the latest[12:17:43] <BugzBunny> Thanks anyway[12:17:43] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAAFDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[12:17:45] <Joseph> This is a manjaro channel, please keep it on-topic. Go to ##windows or #manjaro-talk for Windows[12:17:57] <BugzBunny> Yup, I am on Build 1607[12:18:01] <BugzBunny> Nope[12:18:07] <BugzBunny> I won't keep it on topic[12:18:09] <ShayBox> xD[12:18:14] <BugzBunny> I've been here for months[12:18:15] <thid> powershell -> Get-Process cortana[12:18:20] <BugzBunny> We were always off-topic[12:18:46] <BugzBunny> No body goes to #manajaro-talk[12:18:53] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E84F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:18:55] <BugzBunny> If Ringos was here, he could be my witness[12:19:03] <thid> or powershell -> ps cortana[12:19:10] <BugzBunny> I have bash[12:19:20] <thid> BugzBunny: I'm ur witness :D[12:19:21] <BugzBunny> I just type bash, then ps aux | grep cortana[12:19:32] <ShayBox> you have both, bash doesnt replace powershell xD[12:19:38] <thid> ^[12:19:49] <BugzBunny> What do you mean bash doesn't replace powershell?[12:19:53] <Joseph> It's much better than PowerShell, though. PowerShell wishes it could be half as powerful as bash.[12:19:58] <Joseph> BugzBunny: It's still on your system.[12:20:03] <Joseph> It hasn't been removed.[12:20:07] <ShayBox> yep[12:20:12] <BugzBunny> That's not my point[12:20:20] <ShayBox> bash just gets enabled, you can still use powershell and cmd[12:20:23] <BugzBunny> If I type BASH, am I still in Powershell?[12:20:40] <ShayBox> i mean typing bash would never take you in powershell, you type powershell[12:20:42] <BugzBunny> BTW, you can type BASH in Command DOS Shell as well[12:20:49] <BugzBunny> :-p[12:21:14] <ShayBox> now install zsh on windows xD[12:21:29] <ShayBox> i wanna see how it would handle that[12:21:31] <BugzBunny> LOL, ask Canocial (butched the name)[12:21:39] <BugzBunny> Or Ubuntu[12:21:42] <ShayBox> Konky? Kappa[12:22:12] <BugzBunny> I don't see why it won't work, I mean, People have successfully run X[12:22:23] <ShayBox> true[12:22:38] <ShayBox> inb4 someone installs KDE or XFCE on windows xD[12:22:46] <BugzBunny> haahah xD[12:22:47] <ShayBox> completely replace windows[12:22:57] <ShayBox> if that was possaable... omg[12:22:58] <thid> I'm w8ing for someone who will replace ubuntu with manjaro[12:23:06] <Jeannie> Wasn't KDE 4 available for windows anyway?[12:23:06] <ShayBox> windows game support and linux in one[12:23:07] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kryxzrlebmybwcgr> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[12:23:17] <thid> u can allready replace it with fedora and opensuse[12:23:30] <BugzBunny> Well, AFAIK, you don't have 3D accel, etc[12:23:38] <thid> w10 with buildin manjaro :D[12:23:51] <ShayBox> when thats a thing i might just go back[12:23:52] <BugzBunny> Probably better to do VirtualBOx with the feature, Desktop something[12:24:02] *** Vadisi <Vadisi!~Vadisi@101.190.222.28> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:24:06] <BugzBunny> thid, Manjaro is just Arch[12:24:07] <BugzBunny> :-p[12:24:10] <ShayBox> my Icons only taskmanager froze...[12:24:18] <manjaro-jwm> ok thank you so much[12:24:42] <Joseph> VirtualBox has an issue though, it's a software virtualization platform[12:24:44] <Joseph> Like VMWare[12:24:54] <BugzBunny> What do you mean?[12:24:56] <Jeannie> Manjaro is Arch based but not Arch[12:24:58] <Joseph> If you want better hardware support, you need a hypervisor[12:25:02] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAAFDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:25:18] <ShayBox> anyone know how to restart kde without restarting?[12:25:19] <BugzBunny> Joseph, You mean Hardware Passthrough?[12:25:24] <Joseph> Yeah, that[12:25:36] <Joseph> ShayBox: start and stop the X server?[12:25:42] <ShayBox> yep[12:25:43] <thid> https://github.com/RoliSoft/WSL-Distribution-Switcher[12:25:43] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, Uh, I think you can kill plasmashell[12:25:45] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/zmDKSa] GitHub - RoliSoft/WSL-Distribution-Switcher: Scripts to replace the distribution behind Windows Subsystem for Linux with any other Linux distribution published on Docker Hub.[12:25:57] <BugzBunny> and restart plasmashell[12:26:03] <thid> we just need manjaro build[12:26:16] <BugzBunny> If you restart X server, it will just kick you back to login screen[12:26:26] <ShayBox> dunno how to start plasmashell without using screen xD[12:26:48] <BugzBunny> Well, if you have Konsole open when you kill plasmashell[12:26:52] <BugzBunny> You will be fine[12:27:12] <ShayBox> i use yak, that sfine. but now i cant Ctrl C xD[12:27:39] <ShayBox> i just put plasma in side a screen[12:27:46] <BugzBunny> Dunno, what yak is :/[12:27:54] <ShayBox> dropdown terminal[12:28:01] <ShayBox> i cant spell the full name[12:28:06] <thid> better use sakura![12:28:06] <BugzBunny> Oo, Yakuake?[12:28:16] <ShayBox> yea[12:28:20] <BugzBunny> Yeah, it still uses Konsole in the backend doh[12:28:24] <ShayBox> i know :P[12:28:28] <BugzBunny> :)[12:28:34] <thid> Yakuake is kinda similar to Bukkake[12:28:39] <BugzBunny> heh[12:28:47] <ShayBox> LUL that name made me laugh becuase my mind[12:28:50] <thid> but anyway Yakuake + Sakura great combo[12:29:03] <ShayBox> sakura? sounds fun just basedon the name[12:29:03] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@net-2-40-226-205.cust.dsl.teletu.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[12:29:14] <thid> ShayBox: the only reason I use it xD[12:29:17] <BugzBunny> I am starving[12:29:38] <ShayBox> is it like screenfetch and neofetch?[12:29:52] <thid> its just terminal emulator[12:29:56] <BugzBunny> Well, let switch to Linux :-p Temporarly LOL, because I will switch back to Windows to play some video games and upload it to YT[12:30:00] <thid> like gnome terminal[12:30:16] <Joseph> Screenfetch is great[12:30:19] <Joseph> Love the manjaro logo[12:30:22] <ShayBox> neofetch is better[12:30:35] <thid> BugzBunny: why not just make KVM with vga passthru[12:31:16] <ShayBox> KVM? like a os that virtualizes both operating system at thesame time? or the hardware kvm that switches the monitors and sutff[12:31:33] <thid> kvm as virtualization[12:31:51] <ShayBox> i've wanted to do that, but that os linustechtips uses is paid :([12:32:08] <ShayBox> forget the name[12:32:25] <thid> u can just use arch + kvm + qemu + passthru[12:32:32] <thid> its free o_O[12:32:42] <thid> or manjaro in our case[12:32:48] <ShayBox> wait... ....[12:32:51] <ShayBox> my mind...[12:32:57] <ShayBox> slowly catching up...[12:33:06] <BugzBunny> I love how I have to login twice[12:33:10] <BugzBunny> Because the first time[12:33:17] <ShayBox> so i can make my manjaro run windows in a kvm?[12:33:23] <ShayBox> rather than virtualbox or vmware?[12:33:25] <thid> ShayBox: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF[12:33:34] <BugzBunny> 33.962661] lightdm-gtk-gre[496]: segfault at 10 ip 00007fbf02e70750 sp 00007ffcfd97ba48 error 4 in libcairo.so.2.11400.8[7fbf02dfd000+129000][12:33:39] <thid> yep and it can have direct access to GPU[12:33:42] <BugzBunny> Now[12:33:48] <thid> so u get same performance[12:33:49] <BugzBunny> My one fan is super loud[12:33:52] <ShayBox> someone... shoot... me...[12:34:05] * BugzBunny doesn't want to install fancontrol and muck around with that for HOURSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS[12:34:07] <ShayBox> is there an easy way to install this? like a script someone has made?[12:34:19] <thid> ShayBox: no idea but I think so[12:34:23] <thid> look at arch wiki[12:34:37] <ShayBox> sucks BugzBunny i went to plugin my 3pin fan to my mobo 4pin, plugged it in wrong, fried all my mobo fan headers including the cpu one[12:34:52] <BugzBunny> wtf[12:34:57] <BugzBunny> eeewww[12:34:58] <ShayBox> so now i use a 4pin molex to 8x 4pin splitter for all my fans, and they are LOUD[12:35:06] <BugzBunny> xD[12:35:20] * Jeannie hates loud computer fans[12:35:43] <ShayBox> i want to shove a screwdriver into one of mine, its like dead and is LOUD for 10 mins when you turn the computer on[12:35:58] <ShayBox> but its brand new from cosair[12:36:25] <ShayBox> thid, i need to figure out what program/package does that...[12:36:49] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, You should see this one fan that I have, it's connected to molex connector, but, how should I say.. I just chew off the ends of the wires and slid into the hole lol[12:37:13] <Jeannie> Sounds very professional[12:37:20] <BugzBunny> Right now, the wires are expose, it's an accident waiting to happen[12:37:23] <BugzBunny> lol xD[12:37:30] <ShayBox> LUL on my old gpu both fan headers (yes the gpu had two headers...) died, so i bought a breadboard with a powersupply and wired it to that externally xD[12:38:01] <BugzBunny> aye[12:38:31] <BugzBunny> I even considered getting a Fan, you know, FAN for people to cool down and put above the mobo LOL[12:39:12] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@41.47.236.92> has joined #manjaro[12:39:19] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@41.47.236.92> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:39:22] <ShayBox> at one point i had a two fan 3 pin controller with sd card readers and stuff, and i was putting it in my pc. and i plugged the molex in wrong and melted the wires so fast... still worked, but i pluggedthe 4x1 usb header wire in upsidedown and it fired half the stuff in it, so it was useless at that point[12:39:27] <BugzBunny> At least for now, till I get a case, water cooler for the CPU... GPU, even at Idle, runs at 48C[12:39:31] <BugzBunny> Fuqing crazy[12:39:42] <ShayBox> 48C is good[12:39:52] <BugzBunny> Pff[12:40:04] <ShayBox> my gpu under load gets to 70C, and thats fine... for my 1050[12:40:11] <BugzBunny> LOL[12:40:19] <BugzBunny> GPU on load, reachs 90C[12:40:33] <BugzBunny> But I got a nice Fan curve now[12:40:38] <BugzBunny> That keeps at 72C[12:40:49] <peetaur2> 90 is slightly normal for some gpus[12:40:55] <BugzBunny> And btw, it's OC, which is why it get's that hot[12:41:03] <ShayBox> on my old dell i used to temp test my cpu, so i ran prime95 and unplugged the fan, rached 101C and never overheated... dell is bad at thermal design, still use that dell as my nas today[12:41:11] <peetaur2> open your computer case and remove the front panels where cdroms go, and see if it changes[12:41:18] *** manjaro-web|8215 <manjaro-web|8215!5634e14f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.52.225.79> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[12:41:22] <BugzBunny> Factory is 1.2Ghz, I OC it 1340[12:41:39] <BugzBunny> peetaur2, You didn't see my mobo?[12:41:41] <BugzBunny> LOL[12:41:46] <BugzBunny> It's on card board man[12:41:48] <BugzBunny> There is no case[12:41:52] <ShayBox> i have two cd drives in my pc xD[12:41:54] <peetaur2> hehe oh :)[12:42:14] <ShayBox> bugz, get a 10$ case[12:42:24] <peetaur2> then you have some high quality cooling (but not perfect...perfect is with fans and ducts, like a rackmount server with more fans, not a stupid desktop design)[12:42:46] <peetaur2> no... a $10-30 case will be worse than a cardboard box[12:43:07] <ShayBox> not for safety[12:43:09] *** bennypr0fane <bennypr0fane!~manjaro-k@078132043022.public.t-mobile.at> has joined #manjaro[12:43:25] <ShayBox> i had my pc on the floor under my desk and i left for a day and somehow water got on my old gpu...[12:43:25] <peetaur2> I like the plain black 60EUR cases from antec ..large and great airflow and lots of disk bays...just not the convenient cabling stuff or useless lights and whatever[12:43:49] <peetaur2> I mean worse for cooling... safety is another topic[12:43:58] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has joined #manjaro[12:44:11] <ShayBox> its in this topic, #manjaro[12:44:15] <ShayBox> Kappa[12:44:57] <BugzBunny> peetaur2, I plan to get a good case[12:45:07] <ShayBox> so a logicis?[12:45:07] <BugzBunny> But it's months from now[12:45:18] <BugzBunny> I need a 1k watt PSU[12:45:33] <BugzBunny> I won't be able to get it next month because I forgot to pay my Internet bill[12:45:46] <ShayBox> i have a 500watt psu[12:46:01] <BugzBunny> So, my discreationary spending will go to paying off this month and next bill :...([12:46:21] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, I have 550 wat psu now, but if I OC my CPU lol.. PSU == Fried[12:46:22] <ShayBox> only bill you have is water, elec, and internet xD[12:46:32] <BugzBunny> No, and rent[12:46:45] <ShayBox> you dont need 1K for just cpu overclocking xD 750 would be good[12:46:52] <BugzBunny> Water, Electric, Gas, is including in the rent[12:46:53] <ShayBox> unless you want a dualgpu or something[12:47:03] <BugzBunny> Yeah, I am going for dual gpu too[12:47:10] <ShayBox> boi[12:47:14] <ShayBox> useless[12:47:18] <BugzBunny> LOL[12:47:27] <ShayBox> gotta go for oct gpu[12:47:27] <peetaur2> not useless... heats the house in the winter :)[12:47:44] <ShayBox> oct gpu in a rack case Kek[12:49:36] <ShayBox> just realized my mc server's been offline for like a week xD forgot i rebooted my nas[12:50:46] *** Totalkrill <Totalkrill!~Total_Kri@h-28-78.a159.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #manjaro[12:51:16] <BugzBunny> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ck_L7D-ONo[12:51:17] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/HJ4nN1] Mobo - YouTube[12:51:20] <BugzBunny> Here's my mobo[12:51:28] <ShayBox> had to upload a video xD[12:51:41] <thid> yeah[12:51:49] <BugzBunny> I farted[12:51:50] <ShayBox> thats ghetto man[12:51:53] <BugzBunny> It came out in the video[12:51:53] <thid> at least he didnt make live stream on twich[12:51:55] <BugzBunny> ahhahahahahahahahahahah[12:51:59] <BugzBunny> >.>[12:52:05] <BugzBunny> I need to delete right away[12:52:06] <BugzBunny> xD[12:52:35] <BugzBunny> Deleted xD[12:52:46] <BugzBunny> thid, I live Stream on YT[12:52:52] <ShayBox> dammit[12:53:00] <BugzBunny> I will make another one[12:54:52] <ShayBox> i need a cronjob that will compress a folder of thousands of picrues into a zip every week[12:55:03] *** elh9 <elh9!~elh9@gateway/tor-sasl/elh9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:55:05] <BugzBunny> Btw, DX 12, Mantle, and Vulkan[12:55:12] <BugzBunny> These new Video APIs[12:55:16] *** elh9 <elh9!~elh9@gateway/tor-sasl/elh9> has joined #manjaro[12:55:17] <ShayBox> i got a .sh file that does it, but putting it into crontab doesnt work[12:55:18] <BugzBunny> is going to do Dual GPU justice[12:55:20] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@casa-babylon.ratbox.nl> has joined #manjaro[12:55:25] <ShayBox> LUL[12:55:28] <ShayBox> right[12:55:33] <BugzBunny> :)[12:55:54] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, What do you put in a crontab doesn't work?[12:56:00] <BugzBunny> mean*[12:56:05] *** Joseph <Joseph!~Penskins@gateway/tor-sasl/penskins> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:56:19] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@casa-babylon.ratbox.nl> has left #manjaro[12:56:26] <BugzBunny> I don't know what Manjaro have, but systemctl status cronie?[12:56:36] <BugzBunny> Look in the logs[12:56:37] <ShayBox> no, my nas runs ubuntu server[12:56:56] <ShayBox> i need to compress a folder of pictures every week, from my ipcam or it gets to big to scrub through[12:57:13] <BugzBunny> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2SRKh9bc8c[12:57:15] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Gb5anG] Mobo - YouTube[12:57:26] *** Joseph <Joseph!~Penskins@gateway/tor-sasl/penskins> has joined #manjaro[12:57:33] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, you running the Cron as root?[12:58:19] <ShayBox> crontab -e "0 12 * * * screen -dmS ZIPPING zip -r /home/shaybox/"archive-$(date +"%m-%d-%Y").zip" /home/shaybox/pics && rm -rf pics && mkdir pics"[12:58:29] <ShayBox> and it works in a .sh but not in crontab[12:59:07] <BugzBunny> Well, why screen?[12:59:10] *** amatrelan <amatrelan!~amatrelan@dcdx5hyyyyyyyyyyyyymt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi> has joined #manjaro[12:59:34] <ShayBox> the screen is just for the .sh because it takes an hour to compress and delete 900K pictures a week[13:00:24] <BugzBunny> That doesn't look like a *.sh to me? You gave it a few commands, but I don't understand why you launching screen, to launch zip?[13:01:06] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@m212-119-136-96.cust.tele2.ee> has joined #manjaro[13:01:14] <BugzBunny> btw, I use tmux :-p[13:01:20] <ShayBox> if i was to run that script without the screen i wouldnt be able to close the ssh instance for an hour or two[13:02:52] <BugzBunny> It's not a script, you running too commands, one is zip and another is rm... It's a cron job, it runs in the background, what does that have to do with SSH? I mean, I think I understand what you are getting at, but I am specially pointing to the cron job, not if you logged via SSH[13:03:37] <BugzBunny> Then it get's back to, why are you running 'screen' in a cron job?[13:04:02] <ShayBox> im not, i just copy'd the command from the script because its not in crontab anymore[13:04:25] <BugzBunny> Does screen even exits when it's done running ZIP for the second command to even execute[13:04:51] <ShayBox> it runs both[13:05:03] <BugzBunny> You said, the Cron job is not working[13:05:10] <ShayBox> yep[13:05:38] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@m212-119-136-96.cust.tele2.ee> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:05:39] <BugzBunny> So, how do you know that screen exits? Regardless, remove the screen part, and leave ZIP and rm[13:06:00] *** habernir <habernir!~habernir@bzq-79-179-62-229.red.bezeqint.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:06:13] <BugzBunny> Another issue, when you run screen in a cron job, you might run into the issue, where there is no-tty[13:06:20] <ShayBox> the problem is it isnt running at all, i've tried just mkdir /home/shaybox/test and it doesnt work[13:06:37] <BugzBunny> Remove screen from the cron job[13:07:00] <BugzBunny> I don't know why you insist on putting 'screen' in a cron job[13:07:12] <BugzBunny> As far as Crons goes[13:07:21] <BugzBunny> Do you have cronie or whatever running?[13:07:45] <BugzBunny> You would have to google what service Ubuntu use for cron jobs[13:07:54] <BugzBunny> AFAIK, did Ubuntu move over to systemd?[13:08:03] <ShayBox> i think[13:08:08] <BugzBunny> service <cronservice> status[13:08:19] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m212-119-136-96.cust.tele2.ee> has joined #manjaro[13:08:24] <Joseph> Yeah, Ubuntu did -- becase Debian did[13:08:37] <ShayBox> running, its always running[13:08:41] <Joseph> (And hence, so did Linux Mint)[13:08:43] <Joseph> (And Zorin)[13:08:46] <Joseph> (And etc.)[13:09:13] <Jeannie> All the 7437 *buntu and debian based distros did[13:09:21] <ShayBox> exit[13:09:23] <Joseph> Yah[13:09:23] <ShayBox> whoops[13:09:29] <Joseph> ShayBox: Wrong place[13:09:30] <Joseph> :-D[13:09:34] <ShayBox> yep[13:10:07] <ShayBox> wow, the 370+ gpu drivers are so bad i'm using Xrender compositor because opengl is lagging over time[13:10:43] <Jeannie> My GTX 770m works fine with Nvidia 375.26[13:11:04] <ShayBox> its working fine, but compositor is slowing down with openGL[13:12:05] *** manjaro-web|6112 <manjaro-web|6112!d423bf33@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.35.191.51> has joined #manjaro[13:12:06] <BugzBunny> I feel like watching a movie[13:12:12] <ShayBox> stremio[13:12:16] <BugzBunny> and make dinner at 7AM[13:12:22] *** manjaro-web|6112 <manjaro-web|6112!d423bf33@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.35.191.51> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:12:24] <ShayBox> or kodi + KissCartoons Kek[13:12:53] <BugzBunny> I have stremio lol, but I need Windows 10, because privateinternetaddress vpn :-p I am on my 3Rd strike[13:13:22] <ShayBox> my isp has never complained about my porn, torrenting, or anything else i've done :P[13:13:26] <BugzBunny> I need spend one day to configure everything in arch.. fancontrol, etc etc[13:13:40] <BugzBunny> ShayBox, It never complained till I use Popcorntime[13:13:53] <ShayBox> i used to use popcorn time, but it died :([13:13:54] <BugzBunny> I got 3 notifications, Internet suspended, in one day[13:14:12] <BugzBunny> Popcorntime is still alive, porcorntime.sh[13:14:13] <ShayBox> i rarely use stremio, just kodi w/ kisscartoon[13:14:20] <BugzBunny> It's kinda broken doh[13:14:23] <ShayBox> yea[13:14:27] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[13:14:32] *** Infamous <Infamous!znc@185.38.14.119> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[13:14:37] <BugzBunny> But they release updates, like 4 times a month[13:15:09] <BugzBunny> The issue is with their servers, it goes down often, I can imagine MAFIA ddos their servers[13:15:18] <BugzBunny> I have popcorntime plugin in Stremio[13:16:01] <ShayBox> should i be worried "/usr/bin/pacaur: line 837: vi: command not found"[13:16:15] <ShayBox> i know i can install vi, but do i need to?[13:16:22] <ShayBox> exit[13:16:24] <ShayBox> dammit[13:16:41] <Strit_Laptop> I guess you need to if pacaur needs it.[13:16:53] <ShayBox> one day i want to learn vim...[13:17:47] <ShayBox> i remapped Caps Lock to F13 and use it to open Yakuake[13:18:37] <BugzBunny> I use Yourt[13:18:55] <BugzBunny> Are you trying to edit the PKGBUILD or something?[13:21:36] <BugzBunny> Watches Interstella[13:23:52] <ShayBox> nah, it just said that randomy while installing from pacaur, i have yaourt too[13:24:16] <ShayBox> watches youtube, wait... nobodys posting videos this early FeelsBadMan[13:24:35] <ShayBox> as a night person, there need to be more night videos posted[13:24:57] <BugzBunny> LOL[13:25:19] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@p8048-ipbfp4201osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[13:25:51] <ShayBox> i need to put the triple buffering config in X and also enable some antiailising...[13:26:09] *** manjaroi3 is now known as ds0nt[13:26:19] <BugzBunny> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIIxDdaOhI[13:26:20] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/VJN9z3] Immigration Crackdown Ordered By Trump - YouTube[13:27:55] <ShayBox> YUM, just had a bagel[13:27:59] <ShayBox> now i want another[13:28:09] <ShayBox> this is why im fat :([13:28:18] <BugzBunny> You wanted a yt video :-p[13:28:37] <ShayBox> well now i get a bagel, yt didnt provide[13:28:54] <ShayBox> oh i see what you ...dammit[13:29:05] <ShayBox> i watched the video not even realizing you sent me a video[13:33:01] <ShayBox> alright, quick reboot to apply fix for tearing[13:33:13] *** ShayBox <ShayBox!~ShayBox@cblmdm134-228-200-162.buckeyecom.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:34:36] *** ShayBox <ShayBox!~ShayBox@cblmdm134-228-200-162.buckeyecom.net> has joined #manjaro[13:34:44] <ShayBox> back[13:38:20] *** sabboo <sabboo!~pete@50-103-122-55.dklb.il.frontiernet.net> has joined #manjaro[13:42:11] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:77f3:1947:810a:5711> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:50:20] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[13:52:13] *** sabboo <sabboo!~pete@50-103-122-55.dklb.il.frontiernet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:55:40] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@p2003005BE61A81010A3242169D696698.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[13:55:45] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@p2003005BE61A81010A3242169D696698.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[13:55:45] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has joined #manjaro[13:56:15] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@192.68.211.253> has joined #manjaro[13:59:22] *** sunitknandi <sunitknandi!~sunit@unaffiliated/sunitknandi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:02:12] *** sunitknandi <sunitknandi!~sunit@unaffiliated/sunitknandi> has joined #manjaro[14:03:09] *** Sanderski <Sanderski!~kamil@87-207-166-36.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:03:40] *** Sanderski <Sanderski!~kamil@87-207-166-36.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #manjaro[14:04:16] *** BugzBunny <BugzBunny!~champ@2604:880:a:7::f9c> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - 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When it came back up Redshift only works on one of my monitors. Does anyone have a suggestion on what it could be?[15:01:23] *** ashledombos <ashledombos!~manjaro-k@37.168.253.157> has joined #manjaro[15:01:23] *** ashledombos <ashledombos!~manjaro-k@37.168.253.157> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:01:23] *** ashledombos <ashledombos!~manjaro-k@mandriva/forum/ashledombos> has joined #manjaro[15:01:33] <remos> Is it possible to prevent screen from going to sleep mode during media playback? I can't find the option[15:02:36] <tme> do you have "presentation mode" available in power saving settings?[15:03:58] <remos> No I don't see it...[15:04:29] *** ashledombos_ <ashledombos_!~manjaro-k@37.162.9.61> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:04:40] <j09> You may have to go into the power settings and select "System tray icon"[15:06:41] <remos> I'm on KDE btw. No the option you said in power settings, but the battery icon is already there[15:07:46] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@192.68.211.253> has joined #manjaro[15:08:18] <j09> I'm not on KDE but if XFCE has a presentation mode then KDE will have one, it's just a matter of looking for it.[15:09:07] <remos> yeah now that I know the name for the option I'm looking for it. It's not in power options though.[15:10:37] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3472.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[15:10:47] *** mandje <mandje!~mandje@2001:985:8762:1:fd18:efe0:1ff:8a6b> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[15:15:06] <remos> well if the option exists it is well hidden[15:16:28] *** manjaro-web|8906 <manjaro-web|8906!5634e14f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.52.225.79> has joined #manjaro[15:18:07] *** manjaro-web|8906 <manjaro-web|8906!5634e14f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.52.225.79> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:18:39] *** manjaro-web|8600 <manjaro-web|8600!5634e14f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.52.225.79> has joined #manjaro[15:18:56] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbes@dslb-088-078-001-146.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Ragequit)[15:19:48] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@185.118.249.57> has joined #manjaro[15:20:02] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3472.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:24:11] *** infinital <infinital!uid144856@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-flldcmuphljrtpix> has joined #manjaro[15:24:47] *** adamalii <adamalii!~manjaro-i@128.199.207.187> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:25:57] *** wifi32 <wifi32!~wifi@b2b-94-79-176-166.unitymedia.biz> has joined #manjaro[15:27:42] *** ZaPPeRoo <ZaPPeRoo!~ZaP@66-247-206-63.setardsl.aw> has joined #manjaro[15:27:58] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@212.253.97.81> has joined #manjaro[15:28:21] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@192.68.211.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[15:29:30] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@192.68.211.253> has joined #manjaro[15:30:00] *** manjaro-web|8600 <manjaro-web|8600!5634e14f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.52.225.79> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[15:30:14] *** remos <remos!~manjaro-k@77.91.245.233> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:33:42] <wifi32> does calamaris work with bios? for me it seems to try to install an uefi section under sdb1. Even though I wiped my whole hard drive still the old ubuntu shows up in the startup menu, and I cant boot manjaro[15:34:40] <wifi32> tried to install grub manually, but it failed several times[15:34:53] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #manjaro[15:35:01] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~strit@87-62-150-162-static.dk.customer.tdc.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[15:35:06] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has quit IRC (Quit: Potzblitz!)[15:35:37] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has joined #manjaro[15:39:50] <thid> wifi32: efibootmgr[15:40:01] <thid> u can remove old ubuntu and add manjaro urself[15:40:10] <thid> its rather easy[15:42:58] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@189.208.142.207> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[15:42:58] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@2a00:23c5:3900:f000:e814:d9b7:5db8:a843> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[15:43:01] <wifi32> i'll try it, thanks![15:43:37] <wifi32> it tells me 'EFI variables are not supported on this system.'[15:44:21] *** marco-parillo <marco-parillo!d8cb060b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.203.6.11> has joined #manjaro[15:44:55] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@189.208.142.207> has joined #manjaro[15:45:31] <wifi32> there is no /sys/firmware/efi folder[15:47:15] *** atlimit8 <atlimit8!~quassel@206.126.212.162> has joined #manjaro[15:48:10] *** mandje <mandje!~mandje@2001:985:8762:1:fd18:efe0:1ff:8a6b> has joined #manjaro[15:48:47] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:48:53] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@h100.95.117.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net> has joined #manjaro[15:49:25] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has joined #manjaro[15:49:27] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:49:44] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has joined #manjaro[15:52:46] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@h100.95.117.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:53:16] *** HeyZeus <HeyZeus!~manjaro-i@static-98-116-129-58.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[15:53:28] *** HeyZeus <HeyZeus!~manjaro-i@static-98-116-129-58.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has left #manjaro[15:53:39] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@189.208.142.207> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:54:25] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@host86-191-186-58.range86-191.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[16:00:17] *** wifi32 <wifi32!~wifi@b2b-94-79-176-166.unitymedia.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:02:07] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@212.253.97.81> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:04:29] *** atlimit8 <atlimit8!~quassel@206.126.212.162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:04:38] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:04:43] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAAFDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[16:05:05] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has joined #manjaro[16:10:17] *** geek <geek!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:10:35] *** eloaders <eloaders!~eloaders@eef220.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[16:11:17] *** NikitaOrange <NikitaOrange!~NikitaOra@r167-60-90-97.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[16:11:27] *** physkets <physkets!~physkets@59.95.79.132> has joined #manjaro[16:11:42] *** omar__ <omar__!~omar@192.68.211.253> has joined #manjaro[16:11:44] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:13:07] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zmfemdihkmuiuzyu> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[16:13:40] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:14:00] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@192.68.211.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:14:07] <physkets> Is akonadi crashing a lot for anyone else? Mine crashes almost every boot; also, nothing loads on the desktop. I have to logout and login again for my wallpaper, widgets and bottom taskbar to load.[16:16:08] *** gawd <gawd!~gawd@2600:8800:5180:2340:543c:d3c:b5c7:f16e> has joined #manjaro[16:17:29] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[16:17:56] *** manots <manots!~computer_@198.209.13.246> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:18:42] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has joined #manjaro[16:22:29] *** NikitaOrange <NikitaOrange!~NikitaOra@r167-60-90-97.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:25:34] *** simpleauthority <simpleauthority!~simpleaut@02.chicago.il.us.node.dph.digitalpenquin.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[16:25:36] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!uid206209@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvoadkznvpxtjlvj> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[16:27:17] *** simpleauthority <simpleauthority!~simpleaut@02.chicago.il.us.node.dph.digitalpenquin.com> has joined #manjaro[16:27:36] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~trapdoor@39.188.51.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[16:30:20] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.22> has joined #manjaro[16:30:24] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zuujdsnrpeuuemgc> has joined #manjaro[16:38:55] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@wlan-141-23-216-110.tubit.tu-berlin.de> has joined #manjaro[16:40:47] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~strit@d40a2015.rev.stofanet.dk> has joined #manjaro[16:40:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Strit_Laptop[16:41:09] *** CupOfCoffee <CupOfCoffee!~CupOfCoff@unaffiliated/cupofcoffee> has joined #manjaro[16:41:46] <Strit_Laptop> Did gstreamer get pushed into AUR instead of the repo's lately? And what replaced it?[16:41:56] *** Dearu <Dearu!~Thunderbi@78-170-164.adsl.cyta.gr> has joined #manjaro[16:42:18] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@192.68.211.253> has joined #manjaro[16:43:23] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbes@dslb-088-078-001-146.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[16:44:35] *** omar__ <omar__!~omar@192.68.211.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:46:43] *** omar__ <omar__!~omar@192.68.211.253> has joined #manjaro[16:46:55] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@192.68.211.253> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:47:14] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@186.223.195.141> has joined #manjaro[16:48:09] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m212-119-136-96.cust.tele2.ee> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:48:20] <physkets> Strit_Laptop: the gstreamer0.10-* packages in my arch machine were removed, and are now in the AUR. The 1.10 version remains[16:49:14] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@192.68.211.253> has joined #manjaro[16:51:41] *** omar__ <omar__!~omar@192.68.211.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:52:12] *** omar__ <omar__!~omar@192.68.211.253> has joined #manjaro[16:52:19] *** Totalkrill <Totalkrill!~Total_Kri@h-28-78.a159.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:53:40] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@192.68.211.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:56:04] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@wlan-141-23-216-110.tubit.tu-berlin.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:56:55] *** bjob <bjob!55d45a4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.212.90.79> has joined #manjaro[16:58:31] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #manjaro[16:58:39] *** omar__ <omar__!~omar@192.68.211.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[17:00:24] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@87-99-9-63.internetia.net.pl> has joined #manjaro[17:00:29] *** manjaro-kde5- is now known as manjo90[17:00:47] <manjo90> Hello :)[17:02:32] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@dhcp-19-19.cs.uit.no> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[17:02:54] *** bjob <bjob!55d45a4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.212.90.79> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[17:03:37] <manjo90> How to fix horizontal sync in video playback/[17:04:44] *** omar__ <omar__!~omar@192.68.211.253> has joined #manjaro[17:06:05] *** rumflump <rumflump!~weechat@unaffiliated/olscumpy> has joined #manjaro[17:09:43] <peetaur2> I have never seen such a thing on a computer. :)[17:09:50] <peetaur2> try a different player, video driver, etc.[17:13:51] <manjo90> Erm, I use VLC on linux[17:14:09] <manjo90> And I don't know about codecs, video drivers for linux systems[17:14:44] *** marco-parillo <marco-parillo!d8cb060b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.203.6.11> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:16:05] *** apqlzm <apqlzm!~manjaro-k@185.62.205.145> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:16:47] <Strit_Laptop> physkets: yeah, I see them in AUR, was just wondering "why". :P[17:17:45] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!uid206209@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fevoqvzzcqfmnkii> has joined #manjaro[17:19:50] <manjo90> So I don't know what to install :P[17:21:11] <Strit_Laptop> Sync issues are usually because of gpu drivers. What GPU/Driver are you using?[17:22:38] *** NikitaOrange <NikitaOrange!~NikitaOra@r167-60-16-77.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[17:22:46] <manjo90> Something that was installed by manjaro xD[17:24:38] <manjo90> video-noveau[17:24:46] <manjo90> I have 3 options to choose[17:24:47] <manjo90> let's see[17:25:01] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:25:53] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[17:28:18] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has joined #manjaro[17:28:59] <Strit_Laptop> Try the nonfree driver if possible. It usually fixes the sync/tearing issues, that others users have reported.[17:29:25] <NikitaOrange> how I install slimjet browser? I don't know where put the folders[17:32:11] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@164.8.210.129> has joined #manjaro[17:32:39] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@164.8.210.129> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:36:17] <Strit_Laptop> NikitaOrange: did youi install it with a package manager?[17:37:05] <Strit_Laptop> NikitaOrange: my guess is you installed it from AUR, so you can remove it with "yaourt -Rsn slimjet"[17:38:06] <NikitaOrange> I'll try[17:38:21] *** HeyZeus <HeyZeus!~manjaro-i@static-98-116-129-58.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[17:39:16] *** HeyZeus <HeyZeus!~manjaro-i@static-98-116-129-58.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has left #manjaro[17:40:30] *** zshfu <zshfu!~zshfu@unaffiliated/zshfu> has joined #manjaro[17:40:39] <NikitaOrange> it is not in AUR[17:41:15] <NikitaOrange> Strit_Laptop: it is not in AUR[17:41:46] <manjo90> I switched to non-free nvidia drivers[17:41:57] <manjo90> the issue remains[17:41:58] <Jeannie> Of course slimjet is in the aur[17:42:20] <Jeannie> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/slimjet/[17:42:21] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Nj3Ug8] AUR (en) - slimjet[17:43:10] <Strit_Laptop> ^[17:43:19] *** j09 <j09!5ef2fc26@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.94.242.252.38> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[17:43:52] <Strit_Laptop> NikitaOrange: if you want to install slimjet, just run "yaourt -S slimjet"[17:44:07] <NikitaOrange> yes[17:44:17] <Strit_Laptop> Run that then.[17:44:39] <Strit_Laptop> I thought youi had it installed, and wanted to remove it. :P[17:45:42] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@138.246.255.141> has joined #manjaro[17:48:18] *** omar__ <omar__!~omar@192.68.211.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:48:56] *** manjaro-web|1446 <manjaro-web|1446!4f742254@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.116.34.84> has joined #manjaro[17:49:09] *** manjaro-web|1446 <manjaro-web|1446!4f742254@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.116.34.84> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:53:56] <NikitaOrange> doesn't load[17:55:52] <NikitaOrange> start but it closes instantly[17:56:33] <NikitaOrange> I have to go, bye[17:56:59] *** manjo90 <manjo90!~manjaro-k@87-99-9-63.internetia.net.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:57:21] <Strit_Laptop> Closes instantly? what closes? The terminal?[17:58:53] *** apqlzm <apqlzm!~manjaro-k@2a00:c98:2030:a021::4e> has joined #manjaro[18:00:52] <NikitaOrange> slimjet[18:01:14] <Strit_Laptop> Did you get it installed?[18:01:19] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[18:01:22] <NikitaOrange> yes[18:01:44] <Strit_Laptop> try running slimjet from the terminal to see if it shows any errors when it closes.[18:01:59] <NikitaOrange> what's the command[18:02:24] <Jeannie> slimjet[18:03:46] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has left #manjaro[18:04:23] <NikitaOrange> no order found[18:04:33] <Strit_Laptop> no order?[18:06:03] <Jeannie> command not found[18:06:22] <Strit_Laptop> If command not found it means the install didn't go as planned. :)[18:06:53] <Strit_Laptop> If you don't know how AUR works and how PKGBUILDs work, you shouldn't use packages from the AUR.[18:07:38] <NikitaOrange> ok, It ask me to edit pkgbuilds, but I choose no.[18:07:46] 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<aajjbb!~aajjbb@186.223.195.141> has joined #manjaro[18:58:48] *** Isaac <Isaac!~vcore@windows-denmark.cryptostorm.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:59:18] <a01> then there is a mession of "/dev/sdb2: clean, xxx" and then it does not continue[18:59:22] *** kw21 <kw21!~kw21@D978E830.cm-3-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #manjaro[18:59:23] <mtn> a01: you are trying to boot the live disk?[18:59:52] <a01> after about 5 secs the screen goes blank and then the same message comes back[18:59:56] <mtn> a01: you are trying to boot the live disk?[18:59:59] <mtn> yes or no?[19:00:02] <a01> live disks works[19:00:14] <mtn> a01: so.... did you install manjaro?[19:00:18] <a01> I got the system installed and updated it[19:00:20] *** plex <plex!~philippe@78.8.16.109.rev.sfr.net> has left #manjaro[19:00:28] <mtn> a01: ah, now you are making some sense[19:00:33] <a01> there was 1.2 GB added by updates[19:00:39] *** Isaac <Isaac!~vcore@windows-denmark.cryptostorm.net> has joined #manjaro[19:00:46] <mtn> a01: do you have two hard drives?[19:00:48] <a01> I installed it 2 days ago[19:01:11] *** HeyCitizen <HeyCitizen!~HeyCitize@sttrpq3809w-lp130-02-70-54-172-223.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[19:01:12] *** apqlzm <apqlzm!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-tttncxiogczuifsp> has joined #manjaro[19:01:15] <a01> yes, but I tried to install it to only 1 but same effect[19:01:19] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@wlan-141-23-216-110.tubit.tu-berlin.de> has joined #manjaro[19:01:27] <a01> had disconnected one drive[19:01:55] <mtn> a01: when it stops booting, try ctrl+alt+f2 does it give you another screen?[19:02:25] <a01> no, it does not , it just hangs. I read manjaro would patch the os-prober[19:02:52] <a01> and in /boot/grub/grub.cfg there was not the right line behind "initrd"[19:02:57] <mtn> a01: well, I guess you broke it. what all did you change? something major was changed[19:03:01] <a01> not sure if that is the problem[19:03:28] <a01> I installed it 3 times, always same error[19:03:55] <rhg135> Yo[19:03:58] <mtn> a01: I thought you said it was fine after you installed it?[19:03:58] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[19:04:09] <a01> not it was not fine[19:04:21] <mtn> a01: if you could not boot manjaro, how did you upgrade it?[19:04:47] <mtn> a01: [10:00] <a01> I got the system installed and updated it[19:05:09] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@195.142.136.17> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:05:24] <a01> I got it booted from a 2nd Linux on the same drive which is Ubuntu[19:05:42] *** notis <notis!~notis@46.246.132.166.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr> has joined #manjaro[19:05:52] <mtn> a01: sorry, that makes no sense. how could you update manjaro if you were not in manjaro?[19:06:29] <a01> it booted from the grub of Ubuntu[19:06:37] *** eNTi <eNTi!~eNTi@188-22-6-220.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:06:52] <a01> when Ubuntu was up I installed the grub from Ubuntu[19:06:55] <a01> that worked[19:06:55] <mtn> a01: what booted? you just said you could not boot manjaro?[19:06:59] *** eNTi <eNTi!~eNTi@188-22-6-220.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[19:07:16] <a01> I does not boot from the manjaro grub[19:07:47] <mtn> a01: that does not matter. can you get into manjaro? yes or no?[19:07:47] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-5232.dyn.kponet.fi> has joined #manjaro[19:07:49] <a01> I try to get more details. will come back in the next days. Thanks for today[19:08:03] <a01> quit[19:08:23] <mtn> oh, for Pete's sake[19:08:28] *** a01 <a01!4d156016@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.21.96.22> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[19:08:55] *** wmedrano_ <wmedrano_!wmedrano@nat/google/x-ktjmrmucayvxzefa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[19:15:43] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:77f3:1947:810a:5711> has joined #manjaro[19:21:23] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[19:22:42] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@wlan-141-23-216-110.tubit.tu-berlin.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:24:40] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #manjaro[19:25:00] <Celmor> how can I make sure a command is always executed when the xorg server starts, no matter how it is getting started?[19:25:09] <Celmor> afaik .xinitrc is only run when using startx[19:25:17] <Celmor> can I use /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc for that?[19:28:30] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@bzj156.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[19:30:07] *** Swels <Swels!~Pat@p5B05EDAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[19:33:03] *** gerep <gerep!bb20dcc9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.187.32.220.201> has joined #manjaro[19:33:15] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[19:33:51] <gerep> Hello good people! During the install process of XFCE I am asked to choose where the boot will be installed, what is the correct location? / or /dev/sda?[19:34:29] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbes@dslb-088-078-001-146.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Ragequit)[19:35:15] <mtn> gerep: sda[19:35:45] *** _SkyeNymph <_SkyeNymph!~skyenymph@104.218.244.194> has joined #manjaro[19:36:11] <_SkyeNymph> Hey what is the exact kernel release used in the linux48 branch?[19:36:19] <gerep> mtn: thanks =)[19:36:30] <_SkyeNymph> 4.8.6?[19:36:54] <mtn> _SkyeNymph: you can find it listed in the package manager[19:37:25] <_SkyeNymph> mtn: Not on Manjaro[19:37:38] <mtn> _SkyeNymph: really? why not?[19:38:01] <_SkyeNymph> I wanted to go back to KDE/Plasma and I will only use that DE on Chakra[19:38:19] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@093105126102.goleniow.vectranet.pl> has joined #manjaro[19:38:19] <_SkyeNymph> Because Chakra has, by far, the best KDE implementation (primarily due to its focus on KDE)[19:38:33] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@093105126102.goleniow.vectranet.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:38:46] <_SkyeNymph> Unfortunately, my wifi isn't working properly on Chakra, internet cutting in and out[19:38:53] <_SkyeNymph> I can't stably download anything[19:38:57] <rhg135> I'm in love with arch sadly[19:39:03] <_SkyeNymph> rhg135: Same[19:39:14] <_SkyeNymph> Especially the pacman package manager[19:39:24] <rhg135> Oh. Chakra is arch based?[19:39:35] <badbodh> more like forked[19:39:47] <_SkyeNymph> Exactly like forked[19:40:11] <badbodh> chakra and kaos are independent. got their own repos, do their own thing[19:40:11] <rhg135> See y'all later then ;)[19:40:32] <badbodh> stripped off every piece of gtk crap[19:40:38] <rhg135> I love me some plasma[19:40:48] <_SkyeNymph> Exactly[19:40:55] <_SkyeNymph> That is why I prefer Chakra for the Plasma shell[19:41:21] <badbodh> their qt5/plasma is actually much more stable for that very reason. Purity[19:41:57] <_SkyeNymph> I don't need to install any gtk libs unless I need GTK software, and even then, it is kept minimal. Unfortunately, this doesn't help when the problem lies with my wifi not workming[19:42:04] <badbodh> downside - you don't get common gtk apps. Except firefox and chromium[19:42:29] <_SkyeNymph> badbodh: Nah they are there, in the GTK repo[19:42:30] <_SkyeNymph> Seperate[19:42:33] <badbodh> pastebin your dmesg[19:42:34] <_SkyeNymph> As well as in the CCR[19:42:34] <rhg135> Inkscape?[19:42:38] <_SkyeNymph> yup[19:42:52] <_SkyeNymph> badbodh: Me?[19:42:53] <rhg135> Oh cool[19:43:09] <_SkyeNymph> Nah, I'll just return to GNOME[19:43:13] <badbodh> yep. just wanna see, along with inxi. useless otherwise[19:43:14] <_SkyeNymph> GTK themes are prettier anyway[19:43:24] <rhg135> I will be installing that today[19:44:29] <_SkyeNymph> badbodh: I suppose I can try, if there si a command from command-line that will automatically record the output to a paste[19:45:08] <badbodh> got pastebinit, wgetpaste, gist-paste etc in repo?[19:45:16] *** apqlzm <apqlzm!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-tttncxiogczuifsp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:45:26] <_SkyeNymph> Nah just chakra-paste which doesn't seem to work[19:45:31] *** apqlzm <apqlzm!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-povoumzxwdkwqchg> has joined #manjaro[19:45:43] <badbodh> sprunge.us then[19:46:10] <badbodh> or ix.io <---- cute name[19:46:40] <gerep> mtn: I have installed but when I boot I get "Operation System not found"[19:46:47] <badbodh> dmesg | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io[19:47:00] <badbodh> inxi -SN |curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io[19:47:08] <gerep> mtn: one thing I notice is that the disk available for installation is /dev/sdb, not sda, is that a problem?[19:47:12] <mike-zal> gerep: probably you messed something with uefi/legacy area[19:47:20] <gerep> The boot partition was installed on /dev/sdb[19:47:32] <_SkyeNymph> badbodh: http://ix.io/1R8S[19:47:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bUTDGB] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)[19:47:37] <badbodh> gerep, always run "lsblk" once to check which hdd is what[19:47:37] <gerep> mike-zal: I made the default installation, I haven't changed anything[19:47:38] <mtn> gerep: it is a problem if sda is being booted first[19:47:54] <badbodh> sometimes things get switched in a live session.[19:47:57] <_SkyeNymph> badbodh: http://ix.io/1R8T[19:47:58] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/nd33bS] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)[19:48:07] <mike-zal> gerep: that doesn't matter. do you dual boot or not? what is your partition table?[19:48:12] <gerep> mtn: but my USB is /dev/sda[19:48:21] <gerep> mike-zal: no, just Manjaro[19:48:23] <badbodh> _SkyeNymph, inxi -SNc0 |curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io[19:48:32] <badbodh> clean it up :D[19:48:58] <_SkyeNymph> http://ix.io/1R8V[19:48:59] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/wa2LI5] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)[19:49:01] <gerep> mike-zal: I want to install Manjaro and, using the entire disk[19:49:04] <mike-zal> gerep: what is your partition table? is it gpt?[19:49:17] <_SkyeNymph> For reference, broadcom-wl worked worse[19:49:24] <gerep> mike-zal: how do I check that? I have no OS installed so far, just the USB boot on XFCE[19:49:30] <gerep> mike-zal: can I check it from there?[19:49:43] *** notis_ <notis_!~notis@77.49.136.31.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr> has joined #manjaro[19:49:53] <mike-zal> gerep: check in gparted what's your parition table[19:49:58] <badbodh> i got 4312, using b43-pci-bridge[19:50:02] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has left #manjaro[19:50:10] *** notis <notis!~notis@46.246.132.166.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[19:50:11] <badbodh> works nicely on kernel 4.9, shit on earlier kernels[19:50:23] <mike-zal> gerep: also, what do you have set in bios? uefi or legacy?[19:50:32] <badbodh> grab 'wl' from aur. chakra can aur right ?[19:50:41] <gerep> mike-zal: OK, I have two: /dev/sda2 as fat16 (my USB) and another "unallocated"[19:50:45] *** jef_ <jef_!55d45a4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.212.90.79> has joined #manjaro[19:50:56] <gerep> mike I can't see my SSD in this gparted list[19:51:02] *** jef_ is now known as notthisjef[19:51:13] <gerep> mike-zal: legacy[19:51:28] <badbodh> _SkyeNymph, probably got to modprobe wl with some funny options.[19:51:48] <_SkyeNymph> badbodh: I know, Chakra's broadcom-wl pacakge actually sets up all of those options[19:51:58] <_SkyeNymph> Blacklisting all conflicting modules[19:52:01] <_SkyeNymph> As does Manjaro's[19:52:16] <gerep> mike-zal: shouldn't my SSD partition appear in this gparted partitions list?[19:52:32] <badbodh> not blacklisting. i'm talking about "modprobe wl --option=value stuff"[19:52:50] <mike-zal> gerep: you may use this command to check partition table (among others): sudo parted -l[19:52:53] <gerep> mike-zal: ah!!! Really sorry[19:53:03] <gerep> mike-zal: I notice a select box on the right side[19:53:15] <_SkyeNymph> Nah, that wasn't necessary. Like I said, it worked just fine on Manjaro[19:53:16] <gerep> I have /dev/sdb (my SSD)[19:53:32] <mike-zal> just check: sudo parted -l[19:53:43] <gerep> mike-zal: I have /dev/sdb1 -> ext4[19:53:51] <gerep> and a linux-swap[19:53:57] <mike-zal> it will show you partition table type[19:54:14] <gerep> Is that what you asked me to do?[19:54:21] <mike-zal> yes.[19:54:22] <badbodh> _SkyeNymph, look at this one "[ 9.744283] Support for cores revisions 0x17 and 0x18 disabled by module param allhwsupport=0. Try b43.allhwsupport=1"[19:54:48] <badbodh> b43.allblahblah >> /etc/default/grub and update grub[19:54:56] <gerep> So, during the installation process it asks me to choose a device and I chose /dev/sdb and chose /dev/sdb to install boot, is that correct?[19:55:08] <mike-zal> gerep: I ask you, because some things must match, only then you can make successful installation. people mess it all the time and result is like yours, no system found[19:55:34] <gerep> mike-zal: I get it but I can't remember doing anything like that[19:55:41] <gerep> I had Ubuntu before[19:55:52] <mike-zal> you must KNOW it before you do systyem install[19:55:57] <badbodh> manjaro compiles its kernels with diff config than chakra guys[19:56:18] <badbodh> you could compare their kconfigs and compile one yourself[19:56:32] <mike-zal> gerep: so what is your parition table then?[19:56:55] <_SkyeNymph> badbodh: where in grub[19:56:59] <mike-zal> I ask for the type gerep. is it gpt or msdos(mbr)?[19:57:30] <_SkyeNymph> GRUB_COMMAND_LINE_LINUX_RECOVERY ?[19:57:43] <_SkyeNymph> No, DEFAULT[19:57:44] <_SkyeNymph> Duh[19:57:45] <badbodh> _SkyeNymph, aye. grub_cmdline_linux="quiet splash b43.blahblah=1"[19:57:47] <_SkyeNymph> brain so dead today[19:58:17] <gerep> mike-zal: msdos[19:58:34] <_SkyeNymph> It has been way too long since I tinkered with shit on linux[19:58:46] <Joseph> _SkyeNymph: tinkering on Linux is fun. ;D[19:59:04] *** infinital <infinital!uid144856@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-flldcmuphljrtpix> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[19:59:21] <mike-zal> gerep: ok, so legacy on msdos are a match.[19:59:22] <_SkyeNymph> brb reboot[19:59:26] <_SkyeNymph> Joseph: Agreed[19:59:49] <mike-zal> gerep: in this case, did you used full automated install or manual one?[19:59:59] <gerep> full automated[20:00:08] <gerep> choosing the option to Replace[20:00:31] <gerep> Sorry, the Erase Disck option[20:00:38] <gerep> *disk[20:01:19] <mike-zal> hmm... legacy installs may fail from some mysterious reasons, because boot was not able to install itself on sectors before partition. that is why I dislike legacy and don't use it myself. too much stuff that you don't control.[20:01:49] <mike-zal> gerep: is your computers old or newer? does it supports uefi?[20:02:21] <gerep> mike-zal: is a dell inspiron 14R[20:02:28] <gerep> I don't know if it supports uefi[20:02:37] <gerep> I'm trying the installation again[20:03:10] <mike-zal> it's new then. it supports it. uefi is since many years already[20:03:23] *** SkyeNymph <SkyeNymph!~skyenymph@104.218.244.194> has joined #manjaro[20:03:37] *** _SkyeNymph <_SkyeNymph!~skyenymph@104.218.244.194> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:03:44] <SkyeNymph> badbodh: I think that might have fixed it, we will see but so far it seems to be behaving much more[20:03:46] <mike-zal> gerep: how did you prepered your iso on usb? by dd or program?[20:04:09] <gerep> mike-zal: with dd[20:04:56] <gerep> mike-zal: my guess is that the OS is being installed correctly but not the boot[20:05:01] <mike-zal> gerep: it sounds as if you did it all right. automated install should work well[20:05:22] <gerep> mike-zal: the installation is about to finish and I will try it agian[20:05:33] <gerep> mike-zal: after the installation, is it possible to check the boot partition?[20:05:49] <mike-zal> gerep: yes. you have two options. you can install boot manually or try to reintall system again (if that doesn't work, try different options - we come to that later if it will be needed)[20:06:13] <mike-zal> do you have boot paritition gerep?[20:06:36] <gerep> mike-zal: During the installation I chose the /dev/sdb/[20:06:37] <mike-zal> gerep: yes, you can check your driver from live usb[20:07:04] <SkyeNymph> badbodh: I am already seeing faster downloads, and they seem to be downloading much more stably, but again, we will see in a few hours[20:07:06] <mike-zal> gerep: if I recall correctly, automated installs do create boot paritions[20:07:15] <Joseph> yeah, you can use fdisk -l for example, and the boot partition will have an askerisk in the "Boot" field[20:07:18] <mike-zal> gerep: are you in manjaro live right now?[20:07:31] <gerep> mike-zal: no, I'm no a Ubuntu (office computer)[20:07:40] <badbodh> SkyeNymph, stop doubting me and thank me already. You may send nudes out of gratitude[20:08:04] * mtn always doubts badbodh[20:08:11] <gerep> mike-zal: same error =( "Operation system not found"[20:08:19] <gerep> I'm booting again from live USB[20:08:25] <badbodh> mtn, that makes you a liberal -.-[20:08:32] <Joseph> I doubt that was the exact error verbatim[20:08:35] <gerep> mike-zal: how do I check my boot partition?[20:08:41] <Joseph> Are you sure you don't mean "Operating system not found"?[20:08:45] <gerep> using gparted?[20:08:45] <mtn> badbodh: no, just intelligent. wait, that is the same thing![20:08:52] <badbodh> nah[20:08:58] <mike-zal> gerep: it sounds as if it was uefi installation... don't know how but you get exactly that responce when you boot legacy on uefi or vice versa.[20:09:00] <SkyeNymph> badbodh: Actually those ARE available[20:09:11] <gerep> Joseph: hahaha I know, but that's how is shows, "OperaTION system.." hahaha[20:09:22] <badbodh> i think SkyeNymph is just waiting for his wifi to fail catastrophically to tell me "fuck you"[20:09:27] <SkyeNymph> HER[20:09:28] <mike-zal> gerep: or maybe do something quicker. change from legacy to uefi and see if something changes.[20:09:30] <gerep> mike-zal: should I check BIOS for that?[20:09:39] <SkyeNymph> +[20:09:45] <mike-zal> gerep: yes. check that before doing anything[20:09:51] <SkyeNymph> badbodh: I am a her[20:10:09] <mike-zal> gerep: also, you may have bad boot order in bios[20:10:36] <badbodh> SkyeNymph, send nudes to prove it. Don't worry, this is me https://uploadpie.com/l4dE7D[20:10:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/H4mMDs] Upload Pie - The Simple Image Sharing Tool[20:10:46] <gerep> mike-zal: in my BIOS: Boot List Option is "Legacy"[20:11:00] <badbodh> you get the hint :P[20:11:36] <gerep> mike-zal: and Legacy Boot has marked: USB Storage Device, Hard Drive and Network[20:11:38] <mike-zal> gerep: chech what is your first boot source[20:11:49] <gerep> mike-zal: USB[20:11:58] <SkyeNymph> badbodh: I am a trans gal, just to warn you[20:12:07] <SkyeNymph> If I send nudes, there is a good chance you will not like what you see[20:12:16] <Joseph> ...[20:12:21] <mike-zal> gerep: change it to ssd or hdd. whatever you have.[20:12:36] <mtn> is this a great channel, or what?[20:12:38] <Joseph> gerep: are you trying to boot off HDD or a USB thumb drive?[20:12:59] <SkyeNymph> mtn: It is pretty great[20:13:26] <gerep> mike-zal: changed but same thing happens (the USB is not connected)[20:13:43] <gerep> Joseph: SSD, I have have removed my USB[20:13:58] <gerep> mike-zal: is there a way for us to check the boot partition?[20:14:00] <mike-zal> gerep: and is your bios set to boot from ssd?[20:14:05] <gerep> mike-zal: yes[20:14:09] <gerep> from the SSD[20:14:22] <gerep> And it shows that "not found" message[20:14:52] <mike-zal> gerep: ok, then change to uefi and reboot. see if this changes anything. just check it out of curiosity.[20:15:18] <mike-zal> also, you must have Secure Boot disabled when you use UEFI[20:15:23] <gerep> mike-zal: the UEFI option allows only Network boot[20:15:23] <gerep> :([20:15:29] <Joseph> ...what.[20:15:35] <Joseph> Are you kidding me? You can only use PXE?[20:15:44] <gerep> mike-zal: yes, secure boot is disabled[20:15:52] <gerep> mike-zal: I can't even change that, the option is disabled[20:15:58] <mike-zal> gerep: is there a like saying: add a boot?[20:16:07] <gerep> mike-zal: no[20:16:45] <mike-zal> gerep: ok, the thing is, when you change from UEFI to legacy or vice versa, reboot to see boot options.[20:16:50] *** Swels <Swels!~Pat@p5B05EDAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:16:50] <Joseph> This is one of the reasons newer hardware pisses me off. I mean even with UEFI, some distros that have their cryptographic key in the bootloader checker can run but seriously? Only PXE?[20:16:57] <Joseph> That is ridiculous.[20:17:13] <mike-zal> if you just switch to UEFI but don't reboot, you won't see any sources (if there are any)[20:17:17] <gerep> mike-zal: ah....changing to UEFI I see the add boot option[20:17:24] <Joseph> gerep: What does it say?[20:17:49] <gerep> Boot option name, file system list and file name[20:18:15] <Joseph> In the file system list, what options does it give. Does it have ext4 or w/e somewhere in it[20:18:38] *** drrgrr <drrgrr!~j@175.152.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #manjaro[20:18:42] <mike-zal> gerep: if you have add, this mean you must create a new boot option by choosing path to boot64x file (or something similar, don't recall the exact name)[20:18:55] <gerep> It shows: PciRoot/Pci/USB/USB[20:19:38] <Joseph> Hm[20:19:49] <gerep> That is really weird, when I have installed Ubuntu, nothing like that happened[20:19:55] <mike-zal> gerep: but that will only work if you have efi parition and boot files in it. in your case, you shouldn't have but... you can check it, just out of curiosity. you can always dele added boot option.[20:19:59] <gerep> Maybe that's a problem with the installation process?[20:20:18] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.22> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:21:39] <mike-zal> gerep: probably there was some issue with installator when adding a boot. ubuntu's grub may have cause issues. it shouldn't but... legacy is weird. boot is usually installed before partitions. when installer doesn't see enough space, it will fail to install grub.[20:21:42] <rhg135> Legacy boot is so complicated[20:21:58] <mike-zal> gerep: you may try out uefii install[20:22:40] <gerep> mike-zal: to make a uefi installation,I have to change the BIOS, boot from USB and do the install process again?[20:22:58] <rhg135> Just reinstall ab[20:22:58] <mike-zal> gerep: 1. when you have uefi in bios set, plug in usb, reboot and go to bios, set usb as first boot (if needed add manually, but usb should be there out of the box after reboot)[20:23:22] <rhg135> A boot loader*[20:23:49] <rhg135> This touchscreen keeps spazzing out[20:24:33] <gerep> I don't know if that helps but I booted from Live USB and running gparted I see that /dev/sda doesn't have a boot partition, I have /dev/sda1 and 2 and two unallocated partitions, one of them with 1M and the other with 2.49M[20:24:39] <mike-zal> gerep: if your live boots in uefi, open gparted and create a new partition table on your ssd and choose gpt. be careful to choose ssd, not any other disc if you have it.[20:24:57] <gerep> mike-zal: ok[20:25:01] <gerep> mike-zal: I'll do that[20:25:20] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3472.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[20:25:30] <mike-zal> msdos parition table won't allow you for correct uefi installation, that is why it is important to have gpt, which can use either uefi or legacy.[20:25:31] <gerep> The /dev/sda1 partition has Manjaro installed, it is using 6.77Gb[20:25:44] <gerep> mike-zal: can't I create a boot partition from here?[20:25:57] <gerep> mike-zal: before trying the uefi installation[20:25:59] <mike-zal> here, that is?[20:26:14] <gerep> what?[20:26:40] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has joined #manjaro[20:26:46] <mike-zal> gerep: I didn't understand the question. what "here" means for you? I thought you are on different computer on ubuntu[20:27:20] <mike-zal> I assume "here" is your ubuntu office computer so your question didn't make sense for me[20:27:25] <gerep> mike-zal: Oh! Sorry. I meant Gparted, can I create a boot partition from gparted? It looks like Manjaro was installed correctly[20:27:39] <mike-zal> yes, you can[20:28:06] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@dslb-094-223-174-105.094.223.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[20:28:15] <rhg135> No need to thrash the SSD by continuously reinstalling[20:28:16] <mike-zal> gerep: there are many things you can do to fix this. if you prefer to repair it instead installing again, it's doable[20:28:38] <gerep> mike-zal: what do you suggest?[20:28:47] <mike-zal> gerep: follow the instructions: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Restore_the_GRUB_Bootloader[20:28:49] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/6lIg49] Restore the GRUB Bootloader - Manjaro Linux[20:28:52] <gerep> rhg135: so, fix is the best option? :D[20:29:03] <gerep> mike-zal: I will, thanks =)[20:29:08] <mike-zal> you can either iinstall grub again or create boot parition and install grub there[20:29:31] <rhg135> Yes, gerep, you'll learn more too[20:29:47] <rhg135> And extend the life of the ssd[20:30:01] <mike-zal> if that will be troublesome, you can try out uefi installation, but again, you must change your disc to gpt, which is newer and more flexible.[20:30:10] *** EQLucky <EQLucky!~eqlucky@228.red-81-37-248.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #manjaro[20:30:57] <mike-zal> rhg135: ssd's are not that bad nowadays. few reinstalls won't trash it. usually one can use ssd for years to see "worn out effects"[20:31:53] <rhg135> Yeah, but if you don't learn to fix boot then it won't be just a few[20:32:24] <rhg135> I mean they do last really long now[20:33:06] <mike-zal> fixing a boot is often pain in the ass. it may be rewarding and learninge experience but it may be frustrating if it won't work.[20:34:28] <mike-zal> I remeber when I was fresh to linux and had to do that, I tried about 3o times till I finally succeeded... it didn't go as smoothly as described on wiki. I never knew why previous attempts didn't work and out of the box it did...[20:34:47] <rhg135> It's only a PITA if you don't have good media[20:35:08] <rhg135> Or, learning...[20:35:26] <rhg135> I remember those days[20:35:41] *** Dippy <Dippy!~manjaro-k@151.237.25.139> has joined #manjaro[20:36:39] *** EQLucky <EQLucky!~eqlucky@228.red-81-37-248.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:38:51] *** notthisjef <notthisjef!55d45a4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.212.90.79> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[20:39:45] <mike-zal> gerep: anyway, you may learn something new ;). there are many tiny things that matter and one time all seems to work fine, other times it doesn't. there is a reason but if you have no knowlegde, you are dead in the water. autmated installs should work fine, but as I said, legacy, although seemingly the simplest method, can go hywire. then playing with gparted and cleaning, the entire drive is needed, because ubuntu grub may be still[20:39:47] <mike-zal> residing on the disc and manjaro installer couldn't override it. hidden secotors are pain.[20:39:53] <SkyeNymph> It is still working, yay[20:41:06] <mike-zal> I know that many hate uefi, but I prefer it. no grub conflicts, no problems with installation order, you can have many grubs/systems at the same time, all perks for me.[20:41:30] <gerep> mike-zal: I get it, no doubt I'm learning some important things about linux =) I will have to work on grub later but I thank you for your time and patience![20:41:34] *** physkets <physkets!~physkets@59.95.79.132> has left #manjaro ("Konversation terminated!")[20:42:20] <gerep> mike-zal: When I have it working, I will let you know =)[20:42:27] <gerep> mike-zal: I have to leave know, thank you![20:42:30] *** gerep <gerep!bb20dcc9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.187.32.220.201> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[20:42:56] *** notthisjef <notthisjef!55d45a4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.212.90.79> has joined #manjaro[20:43:02] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has joined #manjaro[20:43:10] <mike-zal> SkyeNymph: I saw many times where people dual booted manjaro and ubuntu, installing ubuntu as second. they got kernel panic at boot. why? because they don't know that ubuntu's grub can't handle manjaro, while manajro's grub will boot anything :D. so order of install is need when doing legacy.[20:43:45] <SkyeNymph> mike-zal: Yeah but re-installing manjaro's grub is not difficult, you just need a manjaro live-cd[20:43:56] <mike-zal> my point is, legacy can be as much pain in the ass as uefi.[20:44:11] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@h85-30-25-251.cust.se.alltele.net> has joined #manjaro[20:44:19] *** manjaroi3 is now known as slalompaw[20:44:35] <SkyeNymph> I agree[20:44:39] <mike-zal> I also saw like people did uefi installs on mbr/msdos disks and also failed with booting systems.[20:44:44] *** physkets <physkets!~physkets@59.95.79.132> has joined #manjaro[20:44:57] <mike-zal> those small things but they matter[20:45:01] *** physkets <physkets!~physkets@59.95.79.132> has left #manjaro[20:46:56] *** slalompaw <slalompaw!~manjaro-i@h85-30-25-251.cust.se.alltele.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:47:51] *** Nizumzen <Nizumzen!~Nizumzen@cpc2-reig5-2-0-cust667.6-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)[20:50:03] *** mDt <mDt!~mDt@178-253-146-108.3pp.slovanet.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:53:22] *** HeyCitizen <HeyCitizen!~HeyCitize@sttrpq3809w-lp130-02-70-54-172-223.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:54:05] *** Swels <Swels!~Pat@p5B05EDAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[20:54:15] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@62.178.177.158> has joined #manjaro[20:54:51] *** zapperoo_ <zapperoo_!~ZaP@66-247-202-7.setardsl.aw> has joined #manjaro[20:55:25] *** EQLucky <EQLucky!~eqlucky@228.red-81-37-248.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #manjaro[20:56:24] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@141.84.69.85> has joined #manjaro[20:58:13] *** ZaPPeRoo <ZaPPeRoo!~ZaP@66-247-206-63.setardsl.aw> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[20:58:19] <badbodh> [01:23] <SkyeNymph> It is still working, yay <----- you celebrating without me? Now i am really offended.[21:01:57] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@62.178.177.158> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:02:03] <badbodh> mike-zal, does gpt work on a bios system ?[21:02:25] *** malfane <malfane!~dabozz@c-98-245-1-140.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[21:03:00] <badbodh> never tried one. I could do with more primary partitions[21:04:21] *** zshfu <zshfu!~zshfu@unaffiliated/zshfu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:04:47] <mike-zal> badbodh: yes.[21:05:27] <Strit_Laptop> It should at least.[21:05:35] <badbodh> so what i'm gonna do differently for gpt ? do i need them fat32 partitions?[21:05:42] <badbodh> i've mbr/biosed all my life[21:06:03] <Strit_Laptop> fat32 partitions is only needed if UEFI booting.[21:07:06] <badbodh> does hard-drive itself need any "compatibility" wit gpt or anything goes ?[21:07:29] <Strit_Laptop> Don't think so. gpt is just the partition table type.[21:07:43] *** infinital <infinital!uid144856@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xeybmkaeujxubjzh> has joined #manjaro[21:07:45] <badbodh> hmm. good to know, will try gpt-ing sometime in future[21:07:52] *** apqlzm-_ <apqlzm-_!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-xxbnowiufgctpivp> has joined #manjaro[21:08:09] *** apqlzm <apqlzm!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-povoumzxwdkwqchg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:10:02] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-5232.dyn.kponet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:18:12] *** PipeItToDevNull <PipeItToDevNull!~PipeItToD@wsip-70-163-1-26.dc.dc.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[21:18:37] <mike-zal> badbodh: gpt is a standard on newer computers since few years (since win8)[21:18:55] *** scl <scl!~scl@75-166-196-116.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #manjaro[21:19:08] <Joseph> yeah, it's required sometimes, like if you're booting off a drive that is larger than 2 TB, to see all of its space[21:20:05] <mike-zal> badbodh: but if you use legacy, there is no need to change to gpt (especially that you can't do it without wiping your entire drive). there are no perks for you then, unless you need to use lot of paritions or want to switch to uefi.[21:20:19] *** PipeItToDevNull <PipeItToDevNull!~PipeItToD@wsip-70-163-1-26.dc.dc.cox.net> has left #manjaro[21:20:40] <Joseph> Yeah, or if you want all of a larger (> 2 TB) drive[21:20:48] <badbodh> my laptop is windows xp era :P i doubt i'll be needing uefi anytime soon[21:20:57] <Joseph> badbodh: specs?[21:21:05] *** spencer <spencer!~spencer@75-166-196-116.hlrn.qwest.net> has joined #manjaro[21:21:11] *** scl <scl!~scl@75-166-196-116.hlrn.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:21:31] <badbodh> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/dump-your-inxi-fxzc0-here-and-bookmark-it/8298/2?u=badbodh[21:21:56] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@141.84.69.85> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:22:18] <badbodh> hardware is same. kernel DE may be different[21:23:00] <Joseph> that system is fine for Manjaro Xfce for example[21:23:03] <Joseph> May struggle a bit with KDE[21:24:16] <badbodh> bullshit. my buddy has run plasma 5 and gnome-shit in all their glory[21:24:33] <badbodh> full animated, glassy and stuff[21:24:40] <Joseph> On your system?[21:24:42] <mike-zal> badbodh: in such case, stay on msdos/mbr. not sure if your bios will handle gpt.[21:25:00] <badbodh> mike-zal, that's what i thought. Thanks[21:25:05] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:25:44] <badbodh> it's very old bios. last update was back in 2010[21:25:54] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[21:26:20] <mike-zal> then there is a change it will work. gpt was there already back then[21:26:23] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhhtqxdybofomwog> has joined #manjaro[21:26:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v vexare[21:26:50] <mike-zal> but again, no perks to switch to gpt if you don't need many partitions or uefi.[21:27:19] <Joseph> yeah, no real usage, imho[21:27:41] <mike-zal> usb's work on mbr/msdos usually so it's still a standard, but recent computers are on gpt exclusively[21:28:34] *** Swels <Swels!~Pat@p5B05EDAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:29:04] <badbodh> good to know[21:29:05] *** ds0nt <ds0nt!~manjaro-i@p8048-ipbfp4201osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:29:12] *** HeyCitizen <HeyCitizen!~HeyCitize@sttrpq3809w-lp130-02-70-54-172-223.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[21:29:35] <badbodh> Joseph, aye. fancy shit does run on that hardware, stop insulting my inxi :P[21:29:54] <Joseph> :P[21:30:22] *** amatrelan <amatrelan!~amatrelan@dcdx5hyyyyyyyyyyyyymt-3.rev.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:30:25] *** Swels <Swels!~Pat@p5B05EDAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[21:30:44] *** Swels <Swels!~Pat@p5B05EDAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:31:10] <mike-zal> badbodh: will your computer handle sata ssd? maybe sata2 ssd? those are still on the market, although harder to find[21:31:19] <badbodh> i prefer mate for personal taste. Even with an i7 black magic gpu card i;d still stick to the same DE :)[21:31:37] <Joseph> MATE is pretty good though[21:31:49] <badbodh> it can take sata ssd, nada on sata2 though[21:32:08] <Joseph> like, there's light DE's like LXDE that are fine for getting things to work in a pinch on old hardware[21:32:16] <Joseph> But not something you'd want to use otherwise[21:32:20] *** Dippy <Dippy!~manjaro-k@151.237.25.139> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:32:49] <badbodh> most people find plasma 5 sluggish because of bad drivers or xorg config[21:33:04] <badbodh> mine is pure intel, so i get max out of it[21:34:15] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zuujdsnrpeuuemgc> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[21:34:21] <mike-zal> I think that plasma is made for ssd's becayse it uses more disk bandwith, so it's slugish on hdd, but it's fine on ssd.[21:34:52] <badbodh> got 7200 rpm hdd, plasma 5.6 ran like zippety zippy for sure[21:35:25] <badbodh> even with 5400 rpm hdd i had earlier, plasma 4 ran pretty well.[21:35:37] <badbodh> gnome-shell feels sluggish purely because it;s shit[21:36:52] * badbodh hates gnome-shell. period.[21:36:56] <Joseph> LMAO[21:37:03] * Joseph waits for flamewar to start[21:37:10] * Joseph disappears into woodwork[21:37:18] <badbodh> :P[21:38:03] <mike-zal> badbodh: gnome has inbuilt effects delay so it may looks sluggish for some. that is why people use some extentions to quicken it[21:38:58] <badbodh> extensions make it even worse :/ I did ran debian jessie with gnome-shell, it was pretty snappy. Used it for 5-6 months[21:39:11] <mike-zal> besides, some kde lovers like me and others like gnome. it's enough to give it a chance. it's not as good as plasma but it's decent[21:39:32] <badbodh> i tried my best to love it, on various distros. but it;s flat out shit one way or another :([21:39:44] <mike-zal> extentions rocks. can't imagine gnome without them[21:40:09] <badbodh> and this CSD crap really gets on my nerves[21:40:41] <mike-zal> I can't wait for plasma 5.9 with global menus. maybe finally I will shape my desktop like I want[21:40:56] <mike-zal> csd?[21:40:56] <badbodh> plasma on the other hand keeps getting better ^ though[21:41:25] <badbodh> client side decorations, doesn;t follow your window manager themes, will stick to whatever gtk3 theme provides[21:41:49] <mike-zal> badbodh: yea, plasma is great since 5.8. people stopped complaining that it's so heavy and buggy.[21:42:08] <badbodh> which means i can;t use clearlooks windows with adwaita gtk3, gedit etc will look totally out of place[21:42:49] <mike-zal> hate adwaita[21:42:54] <badbodh> welp, as a thumb rule any kde/plasma below *.11 is buggy as fuck :P learn;t it the hard way ack in 4.** days[21:43:28] <mike-zal> then this time they made it quicker.[21:43:34] <badbodh> i may try plasma 5.11 when it;s out, got a 40 gb ext4 partition empty for a secondary distro[21:43:50] <badbodh> i bet it will be lovely[21:44:00] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@p2003005DAF6E1E079A6A492ADA44A50D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[21:44:07] <mike-zal> I love rolling character of a plasma[21:44:24] <badbodh> rolling ?[21:44:29] <mike-zal> and hate LTS character of gnome (which I like but not this part)[21:44:52] <badbodh> whatcha talking about? every gtk update breaks it, LTS my ass[21:44:53] <mike-zal> yes. see how other DEs function[21:45:18] <mike-zal> badbodh: that's LTS system in its full glory ;)[21:46:00] <badbodh> DE changing drastically with every update sucks. At least plasma guys keep the changes teeny-tiny, but exciting enough[21:46:11] <mike-zal> plasma rolls, because it's continously upgraded, while gnome has frozen LTS versions[21:46:56] <badbodh> xfce is TRUE LTS. doesn;t change if it don;t have to :)[21:46:58] <mike-zal> in a way, gnome on LTS system is better on production machine while plasma is best on rolling system or partailly rolling one (Like neon)[21:47:31] <mike-zal> I mean, rolling is best for personal computers.[21:48:13] <mike-zal> plasma on LTS is a grave mistake - see kubuntu. only recently they allowed for ports to newest plasma, because old plasma sucked.[21:48:41] *** EQLucky <EQLucky!~eqlucky@228.red-81-37-248.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:48:47] <mike-zal> or was that mint kde that updated to newest plasma despite it's lts character?[21:48:52] <badbodh> i tried kde neon once, promised latest plasma on top of ubuntu lts base. broken dependencies and stuff followed[21:49:20] <badbodh> mint always upgrade its DE every minor release[21:49:41] <badbodh> 18 has 5.6 i think, 18.1 may have 5.8 or 9[21:49:48] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #manjaro[21:49:58] <badbodh> gotta check the blog to confirm[21:49:59] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has left #manjaro[21:50:16] <mike-zal> plasma on manjaro is one of the best plasma releases imo[21:50:33] <badbodh> cmon, mint is pretty good too.[21:50:57] <mike-zal> it's not perfect but still it's very good. way better then kubuntu-shit[21:51:02] <badbodh> aye[21:51:15] <badbodh> the only thing i hate about plasma is the akonadi crap[21:51:39] <mike-zal> yeah, mint is good. I like it. it's the best distro for beginners. I started with mint and I always advise it for newbies.[21:51:53] <badbodh> i like kontact, but akonadi backend kills the fun. bugs galore, configs all messed up[21:52:07] <mike-zal> yeah, on my older compter I always uninstalled akonadi[21:52:34] <mike-zal> but on newer one I have enough resources so I let it be, especially that I like korganizer, which needs it[21:52:34] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m83-180-19-160.cust.tele2.ee> has joined #manjaro[21:53:13] *** zapperoo_ <zapperoo_!~ZaP@66-247-202-7.setardsl.aw> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:53:20] <badbodh> i hate akonadi because it;s config files are scattered all over the place[21:53:30] <mike-zal> they will be improving akonadi suite, it's outdated but it won't be soon. they are focused on waylanad now[21:53:49] <badbodh> if you wanna clean it up, gotta delete foo from location 1, then bar from location 2, then foobar from another location[21:53:57] <mike-zal> but till then will have to stick with old, shitty akonadi[21:54:42] <badbodh> kinda scared of wayland, after all these years i have finally figured our xorg. got my configs in place, helps me a lot in distrohopping[21:54:53] <badbodh> wayland-ing will change all that :([21:55:49] <mike-zal> I found out that my gpu is not supporting wayaland... so when I try it, it sucks...[21:56:22] <badbodh> wayland isn;t ready[21:56:34] <mike-zal> so although I have a strong gpu, I don't see future on wayaland so far. hopefully nvidia add support for my card soon (gtx 970)[21:56:36] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@p2003005DAF6E1EAEE3D2513C1F79FBB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[21:57:15] <badbodh> tried "mir" yet?[21:57:20] <mike-zal> badbodh: gnome on wayland runs good, almost not distinguishable from X. maybe a bit more slugish.[21:57:38] <mike-zal> but gnome wayland is really working[21:57:54] <SkyeNymph> Wayland needs more apps to support it though, besides just DEs, right?[21:57:54] <badbodh> my gnome-wayland sucks nuggets of hellfire. tearing, broken rendering all over the plae[21:57:56] <Strit_Laptop> I wish plasma on wayland was working better.[21:57:59] <badbodh> total wreck[21:58:01] <mike-zal> I tried it on older laptop with different gpu[21:58:32] <SkyeNymph> So, even if the DE runs perfectly, if your apps are not Wayland compatible, wouldn't you still need xwayland, and Xorg, defeating the purpose?[21:58:39] <badbodh> i wouldn't mind another peaceful decade of xorg[21:58:43] *** Dearu <Dearu!~Thunderbi@78-170-164.adsl.cyta.gr> has quit IRC (Quit: Dearu)[21:58:48] <SkyeNymph> I would prefer Wayland[21:58:53] <mike-zal> last time I check wayland on plasma I got 4GB ram and it was using it with every second, so with 15 sec. I was 7,6GB.... had to log off quickly.[21:59:01] <mike-zal> memory leakage[21:59:12] <SkyeNymph> With wayland comes better performance in video gaming and 3D effects does it not?[21:59:14] *** apqlzm-_ <apqlzm-_!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-xxbnowiufgctpivp> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:59:19] <SkyeNymph> Once it is properly supported anyway?[21:59:21] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[21:59:22] *** apqlzm-_ <apqlzm-_!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-qkmiolkgzvtkmitj> has joined #manjaro[21:59:23] <mike-zal> but I hope that was because of my gpu that isn't supported, not a wayland issue[21:59:39] <mike-zal> SkyeNymph: yes and no...[21:59:51] <mike-zal> at the moment wayland is slower then X....[22:00:02] <SkyeNymph> Isn't that more due to lack of support?[22:00:17] <badbodh> wayland is a tranny of display servers, it wants to be cool but is shit. Barely holding it together with xwayland hormones :P[22:00:33] <SkyeNymph> Dude really[22:00:44] *** apqlzm-_ is now known as apqlzm[22:00:47] <SkyeNymph> That isn't funny -.-[22:00:53] <Joseph> "a tranny of display servers"[22:00:54] <Joseph> ...[22:01:03] <badbodh> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[22:01:06] <SkyeNymph> Joseph: He is making fun of me in specific[22:01:14] <SkyeNymph> He knows I am trans and is trying to get a rise out of me[22:01:20] <mike-zal> I red article once on wayland and they said that wayland is already outdated.... its development goes too slow while new technologies arise quicker.[22:01:22] <badbodh> hey! not fair. i just want my jokes to work[22:03:02] <badbodh> how long did it take to make xorg anyway ?[22:03:20] <badbodh> it has been a long while with this wayland and mir race[22:03:25] <badbodh> "race" , pffft![22:03:48] *** space_otter <space_otter!~space_ott@2602:306:32e8:cf60:a284:ed24:cb0f:59> has joined #manjaro[22:05:23] <mike-zal> lol[22:05:48] *** mtn 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<Nizumzen!~Nizumzen@cpc2-reig5-2-0-cust667.6-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[22:56:31] *** ziggys <ziggys!~ziggys@gateway/tor-sasl/ziggys> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:57:59] *** manjaro-kde59 <manjaro-kde59!~manjaro-k@190-22-149-22.baf.movistar.cl> has joined #manjaro[22:59:47] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-56-106-104.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[23:03:55] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-186-75.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:05:14] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has quit IRC (Quit: Potzblitz!)[23:06:43] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #manjaro[23:07:06] <Celmor> is there something as good as keepass that's DE independant?[23:07:11] *** manjaro-kde59 <manjaro-kde59!~manjaro-k@190-22-149-22.baf.movistar.cl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:07:19] <Celmor> also*[23:12:13] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAAFDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has 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passwords in the "cloud"[23:19:18] <Celmor> I looked at one of the various password managers as that seems to use gpg to encrypt them[23:19:27] *** Vialas <Vialas!~Vialas@61.68.65.76> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[23:20:08] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E84F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:23:48] *** astrofog <astrofog!~astrofog@unaffiliated/astrofog> has quit IRC (Quit: Quite)[23:28:05] *** astrofog <astrofog!~astrofog@unaffiliated/astrofog> has joined #manjaro[23:31:33] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@c-67-162-87-8.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[23:31:36] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m83-180-19-160.cust.tele2.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: byezzz)[23:31:42] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@c-67-162-87-8.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:32:16] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@ip4d14ff0d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:33:07] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhhtqxdybofomwog> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[23:33:42] *** ziggys <ziggys!~ziggys@gateway/tor-sasl/ziggys> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:34:04] *** ringo <ringo!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[23:36:29] *** ziggys <ziggys!~ziggys@gateway/tor-sasl/ziggys> has joined #manjaro[23:38:29] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:39:01] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-56-106-104.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:39:59] <rhg135> I love having to cary an usb otg adapter to use my passwords on my phone[23:40:42] <rhg135> keepass is de independent though[23:45:27] *** totalkrill_ <totalkrill_!~totalkril@h-28-78.a159.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #manjaro[23:47:41] *** manjaro-web|4215 <manjaro-web|4215!4983047d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.131.4.125> has joined #manjaro[23:48:35] *** manjaro-web|4215 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