January 25, 2017 
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oder werden dadurch neubenutzer nur abgeschreckt[03:01:28] *** ZaPPeRoo <ZaPPeRoo!~ZaP@201-229-73-65.setardsl.aw> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:02:49] <dogue> I wish I knew more German[03:05:29] *** hade <hade!~manjaro-k@182.253.200.18> has joined #manjaro[03:07:34] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@186.223.195.141> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:08:14] *** mandje_ <mandje_!~mandje@2001:985:8762:1:b15b:ae6f:1977:9a1d> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[03:10:56] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hayuzrkghfsuzalx> has joined #manjaro[03:13:19] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@124.195.56.142> has joined #manjaro[03:13:27] <manjaroCinnamon> hi[03:13:33] <dogue> Ello[03:13:45] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@124.195.56.142> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:13:51] <dogue> Goodbye.[03:13:53] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@186.223.195.141> has joined #manjaro[03:14:21] *** _SkyeNymph <_SkyeNymph!~skyenymph@208.68.69.54> has joined #manjaro[03:15:40] *** anto <anto!~Manjarous@124.195.56.142> has joined #manjaro[03:15:54] <anto> i wanna ask something[03:17:00] <dogue> Ask away[03:17:10] *** haerek <haerek!c9f0b4f5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.201.240.180.245> has left #manjaro[03:17:16] <dogue> Not too many people active at the moment, so I can't promise a quick answer.[03:17:22] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-56-106-104.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[03:17:22] *** kht <kht!~koch@unaffiliated/kht> has joined #manjaro[03:19:43] *** SkyeNymph <SkyeNymph!~skyenymph@104.218.244.194> has joined #manjaro[03:20:34] *** _SkyeNymph <_SkyeNymph!~skyenymph@208.68.69.54> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[03:22:07] <anto> my windows 10 boot lost after install manjaro 16.10 in efi, any help?[03:22:32] <dogue> EFI is a tricky one, and I'[03:22:36] <dogue> Whoops[03:22:37] <dogue> I'[03:22:39] <dogue> Crap[03:22:51] <dogue> I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with EFI to help on that[03:23:23] <dogue> If it were BIOS, I could probably point you in the right direction, but I quit using EFI years ago[03:23:37] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@186.223.195.141> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:25:16] <dogue> With a BIOS setup, it's usually just a matter of updating your GRUB config to include the Windows install, but I'm not sure how that works with EFI[03:28:43] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:31:59] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[03:37:16] *** kht <kht!~koch@unaffiliated/kht> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:40:00] *** scl <scl!~scl@c-98-245-170-70.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[03:42:47] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@186.151.61.91> has joined #manjaro[03:43:26] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-56-106-104.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[03:46:11] *** triplc <triplc!~tri@103.9.196.17> has joined #manjaro[03:46:11] *** triplc <triplc!~tri@103.9.196.17> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:48:19] *** hade <hade!~manjaro-k@182.253.200.18> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[03:49:10] *** Nizumzen <Nizumzen!~Nizumzen@cpc2-reig5-2-0-cust667.6-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[03:53:07] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxbdzmhnioyeejci> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:54:50] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@186.223.195.141> has joined #manjaro[03:56:48] *** tfast <tfast!45920f75@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.69.146.15.117> has joined #manjaro[03:57:52] <tfast> what desktop are you using? kde or xfce what is recomended?[03:58:02] *** hade <hade!~manjaro-k@182.253.200.18> has joined #manjaro[03:58:47] *** hade <hade!~manjaro-k@182.253.200.18> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:59:05] *** hade <hade!~manjaro-k@182.253.200.18> has joined #manjaro[03:59:31] <dogue> That's entirely up to personal preference. I'm an XFCE fan myself, but currently using Gnome3.[04:00:28] <tfast> i just found the others now i really cant decide ... i thought there were only two choices[04:01:38] <tfast> how are you liking gnome?[04:01:50] <dogue> I like it. I've done a lot of tweaking to it though[04:02:23] <dogue> I have a more traditional applications menu than the default Gnome3 setup[04:03:27] <tfast> have u used deepin?[04:03:42] <dogue> Briefly, but not recently.[04:04:28] <dogue> It was okay for an OSX wannabe[04:04:49] *** chozen <chozen!~chozen@72.252.142.9> has joined #manjaro[04:04:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v chozen[04:05:04] <tfast> ok its between mate, xfce, Cinnamon, kde i like more traditional style[04:06:22] <dogue> Mate and XFCE are both good choices if you're into the tradtional style. XFCE will be more lightweight than Mate[04:08:15] <tfast> what is your feeling on cinammon[04:08:51] <dogue> I've used it, but I don't really remember much about it. That was a few years back.[04:09:12] <dogue> I seem to recall it being reasonably usable[04:09:56] <dogue> Good luck with it though. I need to head to bed. Gotta work tomorrow[04:10:18] <tfast> thanks[04:10:21] <tfast> cya[04:10:22] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@181.176.59.6> has joined #manjaro[04:10:26] <dogue> No problem. Later[04:11:13] <manjaro-kde5_> hi[04:16:22] <tfast> hello[04:16:27] *** scl <scl!~scl@c-98-245-170-70.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[04:17:38] *** Isaac <Isaac!~vcore@windows-england.cryptostorm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: read error)[04:20:04] *** geek <geek!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:26:30] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-56-106-104.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:28:52] *** tripped <tripped!~trip@c-73-221-22-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[04:30:05] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@14.141.219.169> has joined #manjaro[04:30:58] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@181.176.59.6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[04:32:02] *** PipeItToDevNull <PipeItToDevNull!~PipeItToD@pool-108-51-88-9.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[04:35:04] *** tfast <tfast!45920f75@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.69.146.15.117> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[04:42:32] *** PipeItToDevNull <PipeItToDevNull!~PipeItToD@pool-108-51-88-9.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has left #manjaro[04:45:47] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-56-106-104.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[04:55:05] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-56-106-104.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:56:43] *** cowboyhiphop <cowboyhiphop!944b41a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.148.75.65.160> has joined #manjaro[04:57:35] <cowboyhiphop> hello[04:59:03] <Sorch> Hi[04:59:31] *** mattallmill <mattallmill!~mattallmi@ip174-70-145-40.ks.ks.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[04:59:42] <cowboyhiphop> I am new to manjaro[05:00:20] <Sorch> Welcome :D[05:01:25] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@181.176.59.6> has joined #manjaro[05:01:38] <cowboyhiphop> I am trying learn about the OS[05:01:49] <cowboyhiphop> I like it so far[05:01:56] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@toroon2634w-lp130-01-69-158-22-67.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:04:23] *** cowboyhiphop <cowboyhiphop!944b41a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.148.75.65.160> has left #manjaro[05:05:18] <Sorch> :D[05:06:25] *** Nizumzen <Nizumzen!~Nizumzen@cpc2-reig5-2-0-cust667.6-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)[05:07:28] <hedgie> I think I'm starting week three of using it as my primary OS. 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I have been having this issue which might relate to the session manager...for the past 2 days my session just ended for a handful of times unexpectedly, no error whatsoever, I just got kick back to login screen, and had to log in again. Just wondering if there's a log somewhere I can track this down and provide more info to debug this. Thanks![06:12:31] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@2602:306:c577:2310:60d3:1dcb:2483:5c80> has joined #manjaro[06:12:31] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@2602:306:c577:2310:60d3:1dcb:2483:5c80> has quit IRC (Changing host)[06:12:31] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has joined #manjaro[06:12:35] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:12:56] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has joined #manjaro[06:14:13] *** vinc386 <vinc386!~vinnyang@pool-108-29-178-52.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:15:13] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@179.57.126.95> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:18:51] *** vinc386 <vinc386!~vinnyang@pool-108-29-178-52.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[06:27:22] *** vinc386 <vinc386!~vinnyang@pool-108-29-178-52.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:33:03] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-5232.dyn.kponet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:34:09] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~manjaro@109.195.105.131> has joined #manjaro[06:34:15] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hayuzrkghfsuzalx> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[06:34:34] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~manjaro@109.195.105.131> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:39:00] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[06:50:18] *** vinc386 <vinc386!~vinnyang@pool-108-29-178-52.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[06:50:44] *** vinc386 <vinc386!~vinnyang@pool-108-29-178-52.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has left #manjaro[06:55:24] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[06:56:16] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@2602:306:c577:2310:91b3:45e3:86e5:8d53> has joined #manjaro[06:56:16] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@2602:306:c577:2310:91b3:45e3:86e5:8d53> has quit IRC (Changing host)[06:56:16] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has joined #manjaro[07:04:51] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~live@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[07:10:07] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@202.179.187.34> has joined #manjaro[07:14:35] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@202.179.187.34> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:17:48] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:20:04] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has joined #manjaro[07:20:50] *** b1naryst1ng|9534 <b1naryst1ng|9534!14890740@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.20.137.7.64> has joined #manjaro[07:25:45] <Zergling_man> I am/was running Manjaro, kernel 4.8. I don't recall much more than that. Decided to update to 4.9, and to my memory that means uninstalling 4.8 before rebooting to avoid issues with the system trying to boot both or some such. ... Although thinking about it now I'm pretty sure I just have my wires rather crossed. Regardless, that's what I did, so I only have 4.9 for booting. (Though curiously it still lists 4.8 as an opti[07:25:45] <Zergling_man> I'm now running Solus on a live boot on the same machine, so I can go poking around the disks to get more info, just not sure what info or how to get it.[07:25:45] <Zergling_man> My question, ultimately, is: Can I recover it, or should I just toss it and start over?[07:26:24] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@128.199.207.187> has joined #manjaro[07:26:29] *** manjaroi3_ <manjaroi3_!~manjaro-i@128.199.207.187> has joined #manjaro[07:27:10] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@186.223.195.141> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:27:29] *** manjaroi3__ <manjaroi3__!~manjaro-i@128.199.207.187> has joined #manjaro[07:27:43] *** anto <anto!~Manjarous@124.195.56.142> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:27:47] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~strit@87-62-150-162-static.dk.customer.tdc.net> has joined #manjaro[07:27:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Strit_Laptop[07:29:49] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@128.199.207.187> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:31:28] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has joined #manjaro[07:33:47] *** lateralizm <lateralizm!uid208006@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-phxizeabgmnowqhg> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[07:34:00] *** drrgrr <drrgrr!~j@175.152.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[07:35:28] *** manjaroi3_ <manjaroi3_!~manjaro-i@128.199.207.187> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[07:36:05] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-186-75.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has joined #manjaro[07:36:10] *** manjaroi3__ <manjaroi3__!~manjaro-i@128.199.207.187> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:36:37] *** lambda-11235 <lambda-11235!~lambda-11@162.72.184.21> has joined #manjaro[07:42:51] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[07:43:01] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@178.162.217.145> has joined #manjaro[07:43:27] <thid> morning[07:44:10] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@2602:306:c577:2310:91b3:45e3:86e5:8d53> has joined #manjaro[07:44:10] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@2602:306:c577:2310:91b3:45e3:86e5:8d53> has quit IRC (Changing host)[07:44:10] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has joined #manjaro[07:45:04] <Strit_Laptop> hi[07:47:00] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[07:47:48] <dodgejcr> Zergling_man: you can chroot into your install and reinstall the kernel that was working for you[07:47:51] <Sorch> hey Strit_Laptop :)[07:48:13] <dodgejcr> it would be easier from a manjaro livecd but should be possible with what you are running[07:49:19] <Zergling_man> I got the same advice from elsewhere in the meantime, still, thankyou.[07:50:02] <dodgejcr> Zergling_man: no problem. good luck[07:53:41] *** SkyeNymph <SkyeNymph!~skyenymph@104.218.244.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:57:00] <Strit_Laptop> The correct way to have a project only trigger when a certain file is changed, is to define it in additional behaviours under the "Polling ignores commits in certain path" and putting that file path into the "Included Region" right? Or has that changed recently, as it has worked before?[07:58:58] <Strit_Laptop> sorry, wrong channel[07:59:32] <Zergling_man> "If it's not, before you chroot you will need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list "main" repository to the version you are trying to install the kernel to."[07:59:33] <Zergling_man> Manjaro's repositories have thus confused me. What would I need to point it to for this?[07:59:40] <Zergling_man> (thus far*)[07:59:58] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@43.239.131.12> has joined #manjaro[08:00:38] <Strit_Laptop> Apt? this sounds like an Ubuntu guide.[08:01:42] *** SkyeNymph <SkyeNymph!~skyenymph@104.218.244.194> has joined #manjaro[08:02:02] <Zergling_man> It is. It's from here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1641599[08:02:04] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Lo31pS] [SOLVED] Install kernel with liveCD & fix grub2[08:02:31] <Zergling_man> In that case, what file will I need to edit? The repo list on my current running system?[08:02:40] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@43.239.131.12> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:04:35] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #manjaro[08:04:39] <Strit_Laptop> Zergling_man: You want to install another kernel to a non-bootable system?[08:05:30] <Zergling_man> Correct.[08:05:46] <Zergling_man> Manjaro is on disk, Solus is running from flashdrive.[08:05:50] <Strit_Laptop> SHould be easy. chroot in, then use mhwd-kernel to install another kernel. :)[08:06:23] <Zergling_man> Well, I assume I need to do the repo edit thing. I asked here because I figured the repo I need is a Manjaro one.[08:07:05] <Strit_Laptop> If you have manjaro installed, it is correct.[08:07:16] <Strit_Laptop> No need to edit any files.[08:08:56] <Zergling_man> [root@solus /]# mhwd-kernel -i linux48[08:08:56] <Zergling_man> Error: You can't reinstall your current kernel. Please use 'pacman -Syu' instead to update.[08:09:14] <Zergling_man> ... Cute. I just uninstalled 4.8 and installed 4.9.[08:09:15] <Strit_Laptop> WHich means you already have kernel48. Try kernel49.[08:09:24] <Zergling_man> That's how I got into this mess in the first place.[08:09:39] <Zergling_man> But it's happy to install 4.9.[08:09:43] <Strit_Laptop> Did you update the system before hand, like it suggests.[08:09:45] <Zergling_man> Well, I guess that explains why that wasn't booting?[08:09:54] <Strit_Laptop> kernel 48 no longer exists. It's EOL.[08:10:10] <Zergling_man> Oh, well, then upgrading was ultimately a good decisio.[08:10:26] <Zergling_man> By "just", I mean "that's what rendered it unbootable".[08:10:33] <Strit_Laptop> Either use 44 (lts) or 49 (lts) I think. :)[08:11:13] <Strit_Laptop> Seems linux48 is still in the repo, so it's not eol yet after all. Hm...[08:11:21] <Zergling_man> [root@solus /]# mhwd-kernel -i linux49[08:11:22] <Zergling_man> [snip][08:11:22] <Zergling_man> error: no targets specified (use -h for help)[08:11:33] <Zergling_man> But the help doesn't tell me anything useful.[08:11:54] <Strit_Laptop> Did you update the system with sudo pacman -Syu?[08:12:15] <Zergling_man> Not yet. I'll try that now.[08:12:34] <Strit_Laptop> always do that first, before messing with kernels. :)[08:12:35] <Zergling_man> there is nothing to do[08:12:42] <Strit_Laptop> sudo pacman -Syy then?[08:13:09] <Strit_Laptop> to force redownload of package databases, and then sudo pacman -Syu to check for updates again.[08:13:11] <Zergling_man> Well, given that the only notification I had for an update when I did this was for wine-gaming-nine from the AUR, I assume that wasn't an issue.[08:13:33] <Zergling_man> Still nothing to do.[08:13:51] <Strit_Laptop> yeah, probably not. Hm. But it works fine with linux49?[08:13:57] <Zergling_man> This part all makes sense to me though; I don't expect there to be any updates.[08:13:59] <Zergling_man> It does not.[08:14:17] <Zergling_man> Because no targets specified. What does that error actually mean?[08:14:59] <Strit_Laptop> Ah, just noticed your hostname is solus. You have not chrooted in yet.[08:15:16] <Zergling_man> live@solus /mnt/temp $ sudo chroot .[08:15:17] <Zergling_man> [root@solus /]# mhwd-kernel --help[08:15:27] <Zergling_man> What.[08:15:44] <Strit_Laptop> is your manjarobox named solus too?[08:15:49] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@178.162.217.145> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[08:15:50] <Zergling_man> Nope.[08:16:06] <Zergling_man> It should be called yun-che or some such.[08:16:15] <Strit_Laptop> Then your still on the solus live stick. Not inside your system.[08:16:28] <Zergling_man> Then I stand by what I said: What.[08:16:52] <Strit_Laptop> You need to chroot into your manjaro installation for the above commands to work.[08:18:25] <Zergling_man> /dev/sda3 on /run/media/live/Curios type ext4 <- this is my Manjaro partition[08:18:25] <Zergling_man> live@solus /mnt $ sudo mount /dev/sda3 temp[08:18:25] <Zergling_man> live@solus /mnt/temp $ sudo mount -B /sys ./sys <- And /dev, /dev/pts and /proc[08:18:25] <Zergling_man> And then I chroot.[08:19:11] <Zergling_man> So why doesn't it work?[08:19:53] <Strit_Laptop> chroot what? You need to define where you chroot too. "sudo chroot /mount/point"[08:20:05] <Zergling_man> live@solus /mnt/temp $ sudo chroot .[08:20:15] <Zergling_man> I chroot there.[08:21:09] <Zergling_man> Is there something wrong with doing it this way?[08:21:41] <Zergling_man> Hmm, if I fully specify the path it still goes to root@solus.[08:22:58] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@p200300C24BC356311DA97A786E050CAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[08:22:59] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@p200300C24BC356311DA97A786E050CAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:29:12] *** TheGoose_ <TheGoose_!~TheGoose_@unaffiliated/thegoose-/x-3756847> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[08:30:26] *** nuuuciano <nuuuciano!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[08:33:10] <Zergling_man> Oh.[08:33:13] <Zergling_man> I wonder.[08:33:20] <Zergling_man> Does it matter that I moved the home folder to another drive?[08:33:31] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E268.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[08:33:57] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@123-193-23-11.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw> has joined #manjaro[08:36:00] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@110.172.153.59> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[08:36:32] *** bennypr0fane <bennypr0fane!~manjaro-k@078132015069.public.t-mobile.at> has joined #manjaro[08:37:38] <Sorch> Zergling_man, ?[08:37:42] <Sorch> did you mount /home to it?[08:38:02] <Zergling_man> I mounted it just now, buit it still doesn't chroot correctly.[08:48:20] <dodgejcr> Zergling_man: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Restore_the_GRUB_Bootloader#Manually_Identify_and_Prepare_the_Installed_Partition.28s.29 <-- start at step 3 and do 3 and 4[08:48:22] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/HnKnfY] Restore the GRUB Bootloader - Manjaro Linux[08:48:28] <dodgejcr> that is the best way to chroot into arch/manjaro[08:50:24] *** eNTi <eNTi!~eNTi@188-22-4-146.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[08:51:45] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[08:52:47] <Zergling_man> dodgejcr: How can I tell if I have a separate boot partition or not? I have something that looks like it is, but I also have what appears to be boot stuff in /mnt/temp/boot already.[08:53:44] <Zergling_man> ... On second thoughts, this thing that looks like a boot partition is probably a Windows boot partition...[08:57:47] <manjaroi3> hello, I'd like to ask about the morc_menu, I'm using version 0.1-3, and there are duplicated software displayed in the menu. Those the duplicated ones are reflective of custom .desktop files made, but they don't work. For example, a custom nvidia x server settings .desktop file that starts with optirun works in pcmanfm, but not in morc_menu.[08:58:43] *** apqlzm <apqlzm!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-iudqjcldmamecojx> has joined #manjaro[09:02:51] *** bennypr0fane <bennypr0fane!~manjaro-k@078132015069.public.t-mobile.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[09:03:56] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@host86-171-89-36.range86-171.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[09:04:14] <Zergling_man> dodgejcr: Also, step 4 is rather confusing. It seems to be trying to mount things to themselves?[09:07:03] *** apqlzm-_ <apqlzm-_!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-pdpenvtxtizrziqn> has joined #manjaro[09:07:20] <Strit_Laptop> Zergling_man: no, because the /mnt is where the installed system is mounted.[09:07:23] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has joined #manjaro[09:07:34] *** apqlzm <apqlzm!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-iudqjcldmamecojx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[09:08:53] *** philosopher-king <philosopher-king!~philosoph@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/philosopher-king> has joined #manjaro[09:09:12] <Zergling_man> That's not what I was getting at, actually, but regardless. It works. What doesn't work is chroot still. It's still root@solus[09:09:42] <Strit_Laptop> You used the "chroot /mnt" command?[09:10:26] <Zergling_man> live@solus /mnt/temp $ sudo chroot .[09:10:26] <Zergling_man> Effectively. I started over, and same as before, I started with sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/temp[09:10:51] <Strit_Laptop> Don't do sudo chroot . Do chroot /mnt[09:11:07] <Strit_Laptop> or whereever you mounted the partition too[09:11:23] <Zergling_man> live@solus /mnt/temp $ chroot /mnt/temp[09:11:24] <Zergling_man> chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt/temp: Operation not permitted[09:11:28] <Zergling_man> Which is rather what I exect.[09:11:30] <Zergling_man> expect*[09:11:52] <manjaroi3> do it as root[09:11:53] <Strit_Laptop> does "sudo" help? :P[09:12:45] <Zergling_man> It will help if you can demonstrate how sudo chroot /mnt/temp is different to sudo chroot . while in /mnt/temp.[09:12:52] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has joined #manjaro[09:13:00] <Zergling_man> Because spoilers: [root@solus /]#[09:14:24] <Strit_Laptop> I'm not certain you can chroot into a folder you are already in. So it was just to be safe.[09:14:46] *** philosopher-king <philosopher-king!~philosoph@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/philosopher-king> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[09:14:47] <Strit_Laptop> please check with "mount" if your partition is actually mounted.[09:15:10] <Zergling_man> /dev/sda3 on /mnt/temp type ext4[09:15:55] *** philosopher-king <philosopher-king!~philosoph@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/philosopher-king> has joined #manjaro[09:16:21] <Zergling_man> pts on /mnt/temp/dev/pts type devpts[09:16:21] <Zergling_man> pts on /dev/pts type devpts[09:16:26] <Zergling_man> Should this concern me?[09:17:37] <Strit_Laptop> hm. What happens if you go to the root of your live system "cd /" and then do "sudo chroot /mnt/temp"?[09:21:53] <Zergling_man> live@solus / $ sudo chroot /mnt/temp[09:21:53] <Zergling_man> [root@solus /]#[09:22:12] *** manjaro-web|7865 <manjaro-web|7865!4defe0ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.239.224.238> has joined #manjaro[09:22:14] <dodgejcr> should be good no?[09:22:40] <dodgejcr> cat /etc/os-release to make sure its on manjaro[09:22:52] *** manjaro-web|7865 <manjaro-web|7865!4defe0ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.239.224.238> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[09:23:03] <Zergling_man> It certainly seems to be, but linux49 still won't install.[09:23:22] <Zergling_man> No targets specified.[09:23:32] <dodgejcr> Im in and out and missed a few lines. Isnt 49 the kernel that caused this?[09:24:08] <Zergling_man> Maybe?[09:24:12] <Zergling_man> I honestly don't know at this point.[09:24:36] <dodgejcr> which kernels do you have installed?[09:24:39] <dodgejcr> mhwd-kernel -l[09:24:53] <dodgejcr> nope, -l isnt list installed...[09:24:59] <Zergling_man> While running Manjaro 48, I installed 49 and uninstalled 48. Rebooted, both were presented as bootable options (in the "advanced options" or w/e), neither would actually boot.[09:25:07] <dodgejcr> mhwd-kernel -li[09:25:34] <Zergling_man> Now I come here and it says I can't reinstall 48, and have no targets for 49. If I do -li it says I'm running 48 and have 49 installed.[09:25:38] <dodgejcr> well, lets reinstall 48, rebuild the init and try again[09:26:00] <Zergling_man> Ok.[09:26:26] <Zergling_man> Can't remove your current kernel... So how does one go about reinstalling it?[09:26:28] <dodgejcr> actually we are going to go up to 4.10[09:26:48] <dodgejcr> first, lets remove 49[09:26:58] <dodgejcr> mhwd-kernel -r linux49[09:27:12] * Zergling_man cries[09:27:59] <Zergling_man> Tried 4.10 before removing 4.9 (jumped the gun), no targets specified.[09:27:59] <Zergling_man> Tried removing 4.9:[09:28:01] <Zergling_man> :: manjaro-system: removing linux49 breaks dependency 'linux>=3.4'[09:28:02] <Zergling_man> :: virtualbox: removing linux49-virtualbox-host-modules breaks dependency 'VIRTUALBOX-HOST-MODULES'[09:28:28] <dodgejcr> no targets specified? what command are you running?[09:28:37] <dodgejcr> should be mhwd-kernel -i linux410[09:28:38] <Zergling_man> [root@solus /]# mhwd-kernel -i linux410[09:28:41] <dodgejcr> wtf[09:28:57] <Zergling_man> That's what I said.[09:28:59] <Zergling_man> Several times.[09:29:45] <dodgejcr> just do pacman -S linux410[09:29:54] <dodgejcr> dont go through mhwd[09:31:37] <Zergling_man> It seems to be happy with that.[09:31:56] <Zergling_man> And it detected my Windows partition again so that's a bonus.[09:32:13] <dodgejcr> good[09:32:16] <dodgejcr> so its all done?[09:32:26] <Zergling_man> mhwd-kernel -li now says linux410 is installed.[09:32:33] <Zergling_man> So I guess I try it.[09:32:41] <dodgejcr> yeah give it a shot.[09:32:45] <Zergling_man> Righto.[09:32:49] <Zergling_man> I'll pop back in to report soon.[09:33:08] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:33:28] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~live@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[09:34:14] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has joined #manjaro[09:34:16] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:36:08] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[09:36:47] *** mandje_ <mandje_!~mandje@2001:985:8762:1:b15b:ae6f:1977:9a1d> has joined #manjaro[09:37:04] <dodgejcr> dude has like 15 minutes before I go to sleep. Hopefully his stuffs works[09:40:11] <badbodh> sleep is for the weak[09:40:27] <badbodh> besides it's too late anyway, wait till breakfast. Sleep with full tummy[09:40:37] <dodgejcr> lol class in 5 hours[09:41:07] <badbodh> just tell your mommy "my tummy feels funny"[09:41:54] <dodgejcr> could have done that 20 or so years ago I suppose. I dont think she would do much now[09:42:58] <badbodh> i was never a night owl, or early bird. I am more like a permanently tired pigeon.[09:43:16] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~Curtis@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[09:43:21] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~Curtis@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has left #manjaro[09:43:33] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~Curtis@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[09:43:40] <Zergling_man> Wrong button.[09:44:00] <dodgejcr> same, I dont think I enjoy either more than the other. I work too much, have too many kids. Go to school so I sleep whenever and eat never. Always tired[09:44:05] <dodgejcr> Zergling_man: any luck[09:44:09] <Zergling_man> Ok, so, it now lists 4.10 and 4.9 as bootable, and neither of them are. W7 apparently still works though so yay... Ish...[09:44:33] <dodgejcr> what happens when you try to boot[09:44:38] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E268.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:44:47] <Zergling_man> How easy is it to do a chroot thing from Windows? I'd rather not put the live boot flashdrive back in; I regret my decisions on that front, hurt my fingers getting it out.[09:45:00] <Zergling_man> 4.10 gives me an error about failed to load kernel modules or something.[09:45:07] <Zergling_man> Then a bunch of things successfully load,[09:45:10] <Zergling_man> Then it just sits there.[09:45:34] <Zergling_man> 4.9 does what it did before; "clean 309333/9510512 files" or some such.[09:45:44] <dodgejcr> hrm, sounds like it booted... just had an error but until we see the exact error, no way to tell[09:45:53] <dodgejcr> also, can not chroot from windows.[09:45:54] <Zergling_man> Bit hard to screenshot it, you see[09:45:58] <Zergling_man> Argh.[09:46:06] <dodgejcr> windows can not read the FS[09:46:06] <Zergling_man> I now regret not getting the front USB ports work.[09:46:09] <Zergling_man> working*[09:46:22] <badbodh> 4.9 isn't showing you any error which is nice. "clean 309333/9510512 files" <--- that's just the fsck systemd hook running durig boot[09:46:27] <badbodh> *during[09:46:37] <Zergling_man> Ok, but it doesn't seem to get anywhere.[09:46:48] <dodgejcr> just hangs there?[09:47:04] <dodgejcr> or does it output the kernel splash like 410?[09:47:06] <Zergling_man> I left it for half an hour (possibly more) 1) no new text was posted, 2) when I rebooted it the number had gone up by less than a thousand.[09:47:29] <badbodh> do you know how to edit grub command ? i think press "e" , or was it "c" ? It will be written on screen[09:47:34] <Zergling_man> (On one occasion of leaving it for about the same time, it didn't change at all.)[09:47:40] *** ptmiyk <ptmiyk!~hithere@144.130.153.129> has joined #manjaro[09:47:42] <Zergling_man> I don't really know.[09:47:48] <badbodh> just remove the word "quiet" from boot command, ctrl+x to proceed booting[09:47:53] <Zergling_man> Okay.[09:48:03] <badbodh> see where it gets stuck[09:48:12] <Zergling_man> I'll also go take a photo of 4.10.[09:48:18] <dodgejcr> good luck. Im heading to bed. badbodh knows his stuff. he should be able to help[09:48:29] <badbodh> goodnight dodgejcr[09:48:40] <Zergling_man> (On occasion, photographing monitors is okay. ~_~)[09:48:45] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~Curtis@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:48:58] <badbodh> but why using 4.10 though, it's not ready for human consumption[09:49:18] <dodgejcr> he was on 48, updated to 49 then got no boot on either[09:49:28] <dodgejcr> I wanted fresh kernel/init to test[09:49:36] <badbodh> hmm[09:49:57] <dodgejcr> was hoping to get some sort of message about the init because thats what it sounded like when he first described it[09:50:01] <badbodh> did he update to 4.9 using mhwd-kernel or MSM ui ?[09:50:08] *** manjaro-web|5995 <manjaro-web|5995!4defe0ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.239.224.238> has joined #manjaro[09:50:16] <dodgejcr> dont know[09:50:34] <badbodh> what else have you done so far[09:51:06] <badbodh> got pastebin of his inxi -F or something ?[09:51:09] *** manjaro-web|5995 <manjaro-web|5995!4defe0ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.239.224.238> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[09:51:12] <ptmiyk> Hi there all I am useing the latest verion of manjaro with all latest updates and selecting prefered web browser and email client in prefered applications but there is still preference to the previous apps. Is there a text file I can just edit somewhere? I thought that this would be quite simple but I have been trying to do it for days now[09:51:22] <dodgejcr> well took alot of time teaching him how to chroot into it but after that, just kernel install.[09:51:50] *** rudha <rudha!~rudha@p200300760E26773169C08B895A56BA66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[09:51:59] <badbodh> hmm. did he remove his old 4.8 kernel too ?[09:52:11] <dodgejcr> no, I didnt have him remove any yet[09:52:34] <badbodh> ptmiyk, look for "file associations" in system settings[09:52:59] *** utz <utz!4fee50e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.238.80.227> has joined #manjaro[09:53:00] <badbodh> dodgejcr, okay. i'll try my peasant-level best :)[09:53:13] <dodgejcr> Im curious about that module error. It sounds like the kernel booted and he can just switch to another tty and get a login but something is keeping it from finishing the boot[09:53:31] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~Curtis@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[09:53:32] <ptmiyk> I am using openrc and not systemd. But I didn't think that would effect something like preferred apps[09:54:13] <dodgejcr> but night night and good luck[09:54:24] <badbodh> ptmiyk, not relevant. defaults are written in ~/.config/mimeapps.list[09:54:39] <badbodh> that's controlled by system settings > file associations[09:55:11] <ptmiyk> badbodh, I am using xfce4 as the desktop environment[09:55:26] <Zergling_man> 4.10: https://puu.sh/tzgQx.jpg 4.9: https://puu.sh/tzgPI.jpg I don't know why they're sideways.[09:55:29] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/50rENj] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)[09:55:33] <badbodh> ptmiyk, system settings > mimetypes[09:55:41] <ptmiyk> badbodh, thanks I will look there[09:55:55] <ptmiyk> badbodh, oh and there to[09:56:02] <utz> hi, I just installed manjaro to a USB and now I am playing around a bit. I like it so far, but I think it is not possible to save the current session so that I wouldnt have to start again with the configuration next time I boot up.....am I right, or does this work somehow?[09:56:57] <badbodh> Zergling_man, 4.9 isn't showing any errors, you sure it was stuck right there ?[09:57:10] <Zergling_man> Well it always stops at the same spot.[09:57:16] <Zergling_man> I could try leaving it for a while and see if it continues.[09:57:31] <Zergling_man> Err, wait[09:57:38] <Zergling_man> 4.9 doesn't usually print any of that stuff.[09:57:41] <badbodh> okay. Let's go back a bit. How did you install the newer kernels, and what happened to your working 4.8 kernel ?[09:58:05] <Zergling_man> I used the gui settings manager thing to install 4.9. I uninstalled 4.8 straight after. I thought it was a good idea at the time.[09:58:31] <Zergling_man> 4.10 got installed via chroot (thanks to strit and dodge.)[09:59:33] <badbodh> when you get "stuck" on 4.9, press ctrl-alt-f1 through f8 and see if you get a tty shell[09:59:37] <badbodh> you know about tty shells ?[09:59:41] <Zergling_man> A little.[10:00:01] <badbodh> well, they are just like terminals ready for use, in case your GUI crashes[10:00:13] <badbodh> you login and start running commands[10:00:14] <Zergling_man> Well, brb then.[10:00:20] <badbodh> don;t even have to chroot and stuff[10:00:30] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~Curtis@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:00:55] <badbodh> utz, which DE are you on ? onl;y kde and xfce have provisions to save a session[10:05:05] *** tripped <tripped!~trip@c-73-221-22-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:06:46] *** SkyeNymph <SkyeNymph!~skyenymph@104.218.244.194> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:06:50] *** space_otter <space_otter!~space_ott@2602:306:32e8:cf60:a284:ed24:cb0f:59> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:07:49] *** manjaro-mate <manjaro-mate!~manjaro-m@165-3-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #manjaro[10:08:58] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[10:09:01] *** manjaroi3 is now known as ilikebats[10:09:08] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:09:12] *** manjaro-mate <manjaro-mate!~manjaro-m@165-3-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:09:29] <Zergling_man> Aha, I have finch.[10:12:27] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has joined #manjaro[10:15:42] <Zergling_man> So, running 4.9 currently.[10:15:59] <Zergling_man> tty1 is locked down with fsck or whatever that was.[10:16:42] <Zergling_man> Is it safe to just start xorg in another terminal?[10:18:09] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[10:19:11] <badbodh> then try other tty. each tty has shit to do[10:19:24] <badbodh> that's why i said f1 through f8, see which one is free for use[10:19:31] <Zergling_man> Seems like all except 1.[10:19:57] <badbodh> then install your older 4.8 kernel using "mhwd-kernel -i linux48"[10:20:03] *** ptmiyk <ptmiyk!~hithere@144.130.153.129> has left #manjaro[10:20:06] <Zergling_man> Lemme check what's installed, first.[10:20:10] <badbodh> that will ensure all necessary modules are installed with it[10:20:21] <Strit_Laptop> Maybe it's just the display manager that fails to launch. Maybe gpu driver?[10:20:33] <badbodh> get at least one functional kernel to boot into a GUI, will be lot easier after that[10:20:35] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has joined #manjaro[10:20:51] *** lambda-11235 <lambda-11235!~lambda-11@162.72.184.21> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[10:21:01] <badbodh> Strit_Laptop, aye. he changed kernel and removed his fallback :D[10:21:18] <badbodh> now he has *dramatic overtone* nothing![10:21:31] <Zergling_man> It seemed like a good idea at the time....[10:21:49] <Zergling_man> Nothing but a bunch of errors about not being able to find ext4 filesystem.[10:22:02] <badbodh> ^that's what trump voters thought[10:22:22] <Zergling_man> I fail to see the connection, but that gave me a good laugh anyway.[10:22:45] <Zergling_man> "bad magic number"[10:22:46] <Zergling_man> ...[10:23:23] <Zergling_man> Well it *seems* to have worked.[10:24:17] <badbodh> installed kernel with mhwd ? take a look what extramodules were installed alongside[10:24:35] <badbodh> usually there's one for wifi, gpu and vbox each. More if required[10:24:39] <Zergling_man> I could have told you that before hitting y.[10:24:42] <utz> hi, I just installed manjaro to a USB and now I am playing around a bit. I like it so far, but I think it is not possible to save the current session so that I wouldnt have to start again with the configuration next time I boot up.....am I right, or does this work somehow?[10:24:51] <Zergling_man> Unless you know how to scroll up in a terminal.[10:25:01] <badbodh> shift-page up[10:25:01] <utz> I am using the xfce DT[10:25:27] <Zergling_man> Does not seem to be working.[10:25:38] <Zergling_man> Also, I like utz's decisions. :D[10:26:01] <utz> ??[10:26:06] <badbodh> utz, system settings > sessions. Look for save session option[10:26:07] <Zergling_man> XFCE.[10:26:30] *** iwiww <iwiww!~hithere@144.130.153.129> has joined #manjaro[10:26:41] <Strit_Laptop> utz: unless you are actually booting it in a live session each time. :)[10:27:11] <badbodh> oh right. live :P he never mentioned "i installed on hard drive"[10:27:42] <badbodh> just read "xfce" and "save urrent session"[10:29:04] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:77f3:1947:810a:5711> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:29:18] <Zergling_man> So, given I can't seem to scroll up, shall I just put it to the test?[10:31:38] <utz> Can't find "sessions" under "system"....[10:31:59] <iwiww> I am back with a diffenet nick, I didn't remember the last one. Anyway I changed the only "mailto=" line in ~/.config/mimeapps.list and when I click on an email link on a web page I still get an error window/message saying that "Failed to execute default Mail Reader Input/output error."[10:33:02] <iwiww> Is there any other place to get a browser to open an email client with an email link on a site?[10:33:29] <utz> ...ok...found it....[10:35:07] <badbodh> Zergling_man, mmkay. go on[10:36:18] *** utz <utz!4fee50e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.238.80.227> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[10:36:22] <Zergling_man> Here goes.[10:37:10] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@host86-171-89-36.range86-171.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[10:37:28] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:38:33] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:38:34] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3511.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[10:40:18] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Quit: badbodh)[10:42:03] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@faui02.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> has joined #manjaro[10:42:48] *** uty <uty!4fee50e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.238.80.227> has joined #manjaro[10:43:54] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@host86-171-89-36.range86-171.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[10:44:13] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has joined #manjaro[10:47:13] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[10:47:16] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[10:47:32] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@p2003005DAF6E1EFD01C2935BCA579984.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:48:13] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@dhcp-19-19.cs.uit.no> has joined #manjaro[10:48:28] <Zergling_man> Nope.[10:48:34] <uty> hi, I have manjaro installed on usb stick and use it as a live session, which I was able to save (changes) when I logout. After reboot he asks me if how I would like to start manjaro. "start" will bring me back to a live-session without my saved settings...."harddisk" would start from a HD, but doesn't...what can I do?[10:48:45] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@dhcp-19-19.cs.uit.no> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:48:54] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@dhcp-19-19.cs.uit.no> has joined #manjaro[10:51:05] *** king1337-2 <king1337-2!~king1337@S0106f0f24967f763.vc.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:51:39] <iwiww> uty: If you have it installed then it is not a live boot they are two different things[10:52:03] *** manjaro-web|5362 <manjaro-web|5362!4defe0ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.239.224.238> has joined #manjaro[10:52:04] *** bobfosssil_ <bobfosssil_!~omega@95.203.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:53:02] *** manjaro-web|5362 <manjaro-web|5362!4defe0ee@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.239.224.238> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:53:03] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[10:53:27] <Zergling_man> His question makes sense though.[10:53:33] <Zergling_man> For some reason the disk boot doesn't work.[10:53:45] <iwiww> uty: It's the boot loader of the first device that the bios looks at that determines what dets booted from[10:54:00] <thid> wow irc so active[10:54:36] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:55:30] <uty> ok...I did use unetboot or something to create a usb-live system on the usb...isn't it possible to save sessions there? Should I burn the iso to a cd-rom and INSTALL it to the usb-stick if I want to be able to save sessions?[10:55:39] <iwiww> Zergling_man: By disk boot do you mean the usb stick uty said he had installed manjaro to?[10:56:02] <Zergling_man> I mean the harddrive he presumably installed it to.[10:56:18] <iwiww> uty: Yes it is possible but you have to do something extra[10:56:34] <Zergling_man> (Also 4.8 is doing the check thing too.)[10:56:50] <Zergling_man> (But at least it actually seems to be progressing now, under either kernel, so... Whatever...)[10:57:26] <uty> do what?[10:57:48] <iwiww> Zergling_man: I think uty is doing a live image off of a usb stick and is wondering why the changes he/she is make are not there when he/she reboots the live manjaro usb stick[10:58:05] <uty> correct[10:58:45] <iwiww> uty: I would say that you need to add a little something called "persistence"[11:00:01] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[11:00:04] <iwiww> uty: Or you could just actually install the distro to an actual usb stick and all of your changes would always stay[11:00:25] <uty> ....mmm....ok...or I will use LXLE-linux...I think it works right out of the box by simply using that unetboot-program to get it on usb[11:00:48] <iwiww> Still which I knew how to fix my broken mailto![11:00:56] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[11:01:45] <iwiww> uty: Dont think so, if the image is a .iso you can't make changes to it without iso hacking[11:03:37] <uty> So burning a cd-rom, starting it and the simply install it to the usb would do the job?[11:04:29] <iwiww> Yes it would. If you dont have two usb sticks[11:04:40] *** king1337-2 <king1337-2!~king1337@S0106f0f24967f763.vc.shawcable.net> has joined #manjaro[11:05:27] <iwiww> That will work with any linux distro. But some say that rather heavy use can kill the stick pretty quick[11:05:44] <uty> thanks...I will try that...hope it works, i really like manjaro so far[11:05:47] *** manjaroDeepin <manjaroDeepin!~Manjaro-D@174-18-2-250.tcso.qwest.net> has joined #manjaro[11:06:01] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@2.234.157.33> has joined #manjaro[11:06:05] *** manjaroDeepin <manjaroDeepin!~Manjaro-D@174-18-2-250.tcso.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:06:21] *** enp3s0 is now known as enp0s3[11:06:56] *** hybridark <hybridark!~hybridark@outfirmy.jic.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[11:07:16] <Zergling_man> I must admit to being curious about why you can't install Manjaro to the disk.[11:07:19] <iwiww> Yeah it will, and yes I know what you mean. It is also my favorate but I really don't want to use systemd so I run the openrc version of it[11:07:52] <iwiww> Oh I missed that bit, yes uty should be able to[11:08:00] <iwiww> Of course[11:08:36] *** uty <uty!4fee50e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.238.80.227> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[11:08:59] <iwiww> To me that would usually come down to a bios thing[11:09:13] *** kc9iid <kc9iid!~mark@2602:304:b1ba:81e0:eb00:5a30:1a32:df44> has joined #manjaro[11:09:51] <iwiww> All other things being proper with the drive of course[11:14:05] *** enkeys <enkeys!enkeys@nat/redhat/x-yxyspriswfkkpjri> has joined #manjaro[11:14:35] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[11:18:31] *** atlimit8 <atlimit8!~quassel@206.126.212.162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:20:32] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[11:20:44] <Zergling_man> Cute. I managed to get VLC running, but it won't play while tty1 is visible.[11:22:00] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[11:24:54] *** simpleauthority <simpleauthority!~simpleaut@02.chicago.il.us.node.dph.digitalpenquin.com> has joined #manjaro[11:25:02] *** Penskins <Penskins!~Penskins@gateway/tor-sasl/penskins> has joined #manjaro[11:25:20] *** manjaroDeepin <manjaroDeepin!~Manjaro-D@36.81.28.251> has joined #manjaro[11:25:35] *** manjaroDeepin <manjaroDeepin!~Manjaro-D@36.81.28.251> has left #manjaro[11:25:54] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:26:16] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[11:26:51] <iwiww> Well the mailto saga continues, by all[11:26:55] *** iwiww <iwiww!~hithere@144.130.153.129> has left #manjaro[11:27:01] <badbodh> Zergling_man, howdy[11:27:24] *** hade <hade!~manjaro-k@182.253.200.18> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[11:27:44] <Zergling_man> Yo.[11:28:33] <badbodh> you booting ?[11:28:38] *** Penskins is now known as Joseph[11:28:42] <Zergling_man> Nope.[11:28:49] <Zergling_man> 48 is doing the same as 49 now.[11:29:06] <badbodh> then something else must have borked in the midway[11:29:15] <Zergling_man> But I got VLC working, so I'm content.[11:29:23] <Joseph> btw, just a heads up[11:29:31] <badbodh> if you can't restore your system to an earlier state manually, you;re forgetting something. Think hard :)[11:29:35] <Joseph> the screen problem I had the other day was fixed with a newer kernel version.[11:30:24] <Zergling_man> Or the system just got a hard-on for checking my disk due to the fuckery and won't let go of it.[11:30:42] <badbodh> Joseph, that's hardly a heads up. need inxi -SG to put it to a context[11:31:28] <badbodh> if anybody else faces a similar problem you can be of help :)[11:31:48] <badbodh> Zergling_man, do a live-boot and fsck all your partitions once.[11:32:44] <badbodh> then chroot with proper binds (i'll share a link) and run "pacman -Qk|grep warning" to check for missing/corrupt files[11:33:01] <Zergling_man> I'll ask for that again once I've booted, hmm?[11:33:10] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@faui02.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[11:33:35] <badbodh> https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Restore_the_GRUB_Bootloader[11:33:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/6lIg49] Restore the GRUB Bootloader - Manjaro Linux[11:34:42] <Zergling_man> Alright then. Back in a bit.[11:34:49] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:36:53] <Joseph> badbodh: good call[11:37:00] <Joseph> For anybody interested, http://pastebin.com/raw/Tcn8t6Su[11:37:00] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/gsN7mZ] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)[11:37:36] <badbodh> odd resolution[11:37:44] <badbodh> atom :O[11:37:55] <Joseph> yeah, it's an older Atom netbook[11:38:09] <Joseph> slapped Manjaro Xfce on this puppy. it's smoking now.[11:38:31] <Joseph> runs well on older hardware.[11:39:30] <badbodh> yep[11:39:53] <badbodh> my hardware falls under same category : "older"[11:40:54] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@2405:204:928f:31cd:d004:c127:e45a:6324> has joined #manjaro[11:41:04] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@2405:204:928f:31cd:d004:c127:e45a:6324> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:41:32] *** rajivmars <rajivmars!~rajivmars@47.29.53.61> has joined #manjaro[11:44:00] <Joseph> also got screenfetch installed[11:44:07] <Joseph> with the cool Manjaro logo and all.[11:44:08] <rajivmars> i have just updated my manjaro os. but when after the update i tried to reboot it by using "shutdown -r now" it shown a blank screen in front of me. i had to press the reset button to make it restart and boot again. i would like to know why this had happened?[11:45:27] <badbodh> heh. ubuntu habits[11:45:28] *** aidin <aidin!~aidin@220-244-225-238.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[11:45:35] <badbodh> "systemctl reboot[11:45:57] <badbodh> unless you have openrc edition. then shutdown -r now should work[11:46:24] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[11:46:37] <rajivmars> badbodh, is that break my system?[11:46:49] <badbodh> nope[11:46:55] *** rajivmars <rajivmars!~rajivmars@47.29.53.61> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:47:08] *** manjaro-web|3702 <manjaro-web|3702!b09c13df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.156.19.223> has joined #manjaro[11:48:06] <manjaro-web|3702> greetings[11:48:31] <Joseph> oh, you need to use the systemd specific commands?[11:48:42] <Joseph> I use sudo shutdown -h now for my Ubuntu box, 16.04[11:48:45] *** rajivmars <rajivmars!~rajivmars@47.29.14.204> has joined #manjaro[11:48:46] <Joseph> and it works there.[11:48:59] <Joseph> and that's also systemd.[11:49:26] <Joseph> (it also works on Manjaro, sysd)[11:50:06] <rajivmars> badbodh, yeah i have just run "systemctl reboot" and it restarts. thanks, i m new in manjaro.[11:50:25] <badbodh> aren't we all[11:50:39] *** elh9 <elh9!~elh9@gateway/tor-sasl/elh9> has joined #manjaro[11:50:52] <badbodh> Joseph, ubuntu symlinks a lot of old commands for "familiarity"[11:50:57] <Joseph> wait, why does he have to use the systemd commands? I use shutdown -r now to restart and it doesn't hang[11:51:02] <badbodh> that's not the arch way however[11:51:56] <badbodh> bow before your systemd lord you pouty little minion![11:52:00] <Joseph> XD[11:53:58] *** aidin <aidin!~aidin@220-244-225-238.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[11:54:00] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@host86-171-89-36.range86-171.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[11:54:50] <rajivmars> is there a way to download google chrome in manjaro[11:55:28] *** tefter <tefter!~bmaxa@c-bg-d-p1-76.bvcom.net> has joined #manjaro[11:55:28] <mparillo> Only from the AUR[11:55:37] <Joseph> rajivmars: yaourt google-chrome[11:55:45] <Joseph> That's how I had to do it[11:55:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tefter[11:56:47] <rajivmars> Joseph, ok. i am going to try it.[11:57:07] <Joseph> rajivmars: ok g/l. you'll need to say yes to a lot of options, do read them before you do[11:57:54] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@host86-171-89-36.range86-171.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[11:59:27] <rajivmars> Joseph, as you saw i have just felt a hang problem due to my low knowledge of arch. i had make my computer reboot by pressing the reset button. now its runninf fine. i would wanted to know is there any other option to restart it without pressing that button?[12:00:31] *** manjaro-web|8965 <manjaro-web|8965!b09c13df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.156.19.223> has joined #manjaro[12:00:38] *** manjaro-web|3702 <manjaro-web|3702!b09c13df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.156.19.223> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[12:01:16] *** manjaro-web|8965 <manjaro-web|8965!b09c13df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.156.19.223> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:01:28] *** manjaro-web|361 <manjaro-web|361!b09c13df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.156.19.223> has joined #manjaro[12:01:54] <Joseph> rajivmars: well the thing is, I use the standard CLI command "sudo shutdown -r now" and that works, I'm not quite sure why you had to use the systemd specific command[12:02:14] *** elh9 <elh9!~elh9@gateway/tor-sasl/elh9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:02:48] *** elh9 <elh9!~elh9@gateway/tor-sasl/elh9> has joined #manjaro[12:03:59] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@xDSL-85-172-205-136.soes.su> has joined #manjaro[12:04:36] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~live@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[12:04:50] <Zergling_man> That was interesting.[12:04:55] *** manjaro-web|361 <manjaro-web|361!b09c13df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.156.19.223> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:04:56] <Zergling_man> Took about 10 tries to get into the live boot.[12:05:13] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@xDSL-85-172-205-136.soes.su> has left #manjaro[12:07:00] <rajivmars> Joseph, don't know but systemctl command works for me.[12:08:38] <rajivmars> i was also used the same command "shutdown -r now" it had gone for restart but left with a blank screen in front of me[12:09:03] <Zergling_man> uh, why is fsck not a recognised command...[12:11:03] *** kc9iid <kc9iid!~mark@2602:304:b1ba:81e0:eb00:5a30:1a32:df44> has quit IRC (Quit: Goodbye Everyone)[12:12:07] *** rajivmars <rajivmars!~rajivmars@47.29.14.204> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[12:14:18] <Zergling_man> badbodh: Okay, ran fsck on my Manjaro partition. It reported this, very promptly, and finished:[12:14:18] <Zergling_man> Curios: clean, 329382/9519104 files, 5399413/38074624 blocks[12:14:57] <badbodh> great[12:15:19] <badbodh> now mount sys, proc, dev and dev/pts then chroot[12:15:39] <badbodh> https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Restore_the_GRUB_Bootloader[12:15:39] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/6lIg49] Restore the GRUB Bootloader - Manjaro Linux[12:15:44] <badbodh> ^ skip to the chroot section[12:16:10] <badbodh> don;t use scripts like mhwd-chroot for now. use the manual method[12:17:22] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@2.234.157.33> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:17:45] <Zergling_man> I'll go on looking at the other disks for now.[12:18:18] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!uid206209@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qgxqapbjlqjercys> has joined #manjaro[12:20:06] <Zergling_man> I assume I ignore anything that's clean.[12:20:32] <Strit_Laptop> Just noticed a thing. makepkg does not delete "src/" and "pkg/" folders when it's run with makepkg -sc on my server. Anyone know why?[12:20:50] *** ilikebats <ilikebats!~manjaro-i@123-193-23-11.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[12:26:40] <Strit_Laptop> Ah, it's because the builds fail. The ones that built fine, gets removed.[12:33:36] <Zergling_man> badbodh: Okay, remind me why I'm chrooting again?[12:36:57] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@ip-89-103-88-145.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #manjaro[12:37:47] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@ip-89-103-88-145.net.upcbroadband.cz> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:38:19] <Zergling_man> ... Right, I *do* have access to my logs. Nevermind me.[12:39:09] <Zergling_man> Ok, found a tiny handful of missing files. Doesn't seem to be related to core OS at all.[12:40:25] *** Nizumzen <Nizumzen!~Nizumzen@cpc2-reig5-2-0-cust667.6-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[12:47:47] *** mystified <mystified!~mystif@110-174-9-2.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[12:49:59] *** snoogie_ <snoogie_!~snoogie@c-73-95-129-95.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[12:50:12] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@r167-60-54-196.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[12:50:41] *** manjaro-kde5 is now known as NikitaOrange[12:51:37] <badbodh> Zergling_man, to run "pacman -Qk|grep warning" to check for missing files. Pastebin the output[12:51:41] <badbodh> no output means good[12:52:27] <Zergling_man> http://pastebin.com/NzZLWgQA[12:52:28] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/q7VvyE] [root@solus /]# pacman -Qk|grep warning warning: bitmeter-os: /var/lib/bitmeter - Pastebin.com[12:54:10] <badbodh> for now, pacman -Rns those packages[12:54:17] <badbodh> install them later if needed[12:54:32] <badbodh> openvpn, bitmeter-os[12:55:14] <badbodh> if you wish to save config files, -Rs[12:57:03] <NikitaOrange> hi[12:57:47] <badbodh> 'llo[12:58:24] <NikitaOrange> I want edit it file: "/etc/resolv.conf" but is say me that I have not permision for writing[12:58:32] <Zergling_man> Ok, had to -Rnsc openvpn. No warnings left.[12:58:59] <NikitaOrange> I'll be here. np[12:59:12] <Zergling_man> (Also in other news, gparted on Solus still can't rename my flashdrive... What sorcery is this...)[13:01:49] <badbodh> remove all partitions, re-create partition table > ms-dos, create new partition and name it "fuck"[13:02:01] <badbodh> see if that helps[13:02:20] <Zergling_man> For the flashdrive? That's been on my todo list for a while.[13:02:21] <badbodh> Zergling_man, while you are in the chroot[13:02:29] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@120.188.75.156> has joined #manjaro[13:02:36] <badbodh> do a quick "mkinitcpio -P && update-grub"[13:02:51] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@120.188.75.156> has left #manjaro[13:02:53] <Zergling_man> I should do another backup right after I fix my PC though, so then would be a good time to actually do that.[13:03:02] <badbodh> hmm[13:03:15] <Zergling_man> (Right after *you* fix my PC...)[13:04:23] <Zergling_man> Ok, that seems to be happy with itself.[13:04:25] <badbodh> NikitaOrange, that file is handled by network-manager, you;re not supposed to edit it directly[13:04:51] <badbodh> in your system-tray look for network icon, change your DNS server there[13:05:01] <badbodh> it updates recolve.conf automatically[13:05:41] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@37.142.183.193> has joined #manjaro[13:06:02] <badbodh> birb[13:06:02] *** NikitaOrange <NikitaOrange!~manjaro-k@r167-60-54-196.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:06:08] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Quit: badbodh)[13:06:10] *** NikitaOrange <NikitaOrange!~manjaro-k@r167-60-54-196.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[13:06:55] <Zergling_man> :3 birbs[13:08:07] <NikitaOrange> ok, I think it work, anyway the new DNS is listed in second and third place[13:10:02] *** kritikk <kritikk!~stefan@92.55.92.56> has joined #manjaro[13:11:08] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has joined #manjaro[13:12:07] *** Totalkrill <Totalkrill!~Total_Kri@h-28-78.a159.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #manjaro[13:12:31] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[13:17:00] <Zergling_man> Well here goes the next trick.[13:17:04] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~live@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[13:20:15] *** NikitaOrange <NikitaOrange!~manjaro-k@r167-60-54-196.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[13:20:22] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@r167-60-54-196.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[13:21:19] *** manjaro-kde5 is now known as NikitaOrange[13:21:55] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:23:26] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[13:24:09] *** ilikebats <ilikebats!~manjaro-i@123-193-23-11.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw> has joined #manjaro[13:24:17] <Zergling_man> Well, no luck.[13:24:25] *** NikitaOrange <NikitaOrange!~manjaro-k@r167-60-54-196.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:24:32] <badbodh> hmm.[13:24:52] <Zergling_man> Though I'll give 4.8 another look, but 4.10 and 4.9 are[13:24:52] <Zergling_man> still behaving badly.[13:25:03] <badbodh> you said you can access tty shell from kernel 4.9 right >[13:25:13] <Zergling_man> Yeah.[13:25:20] <Zergling_man> I think I can do that from all of them.[13:25:40] <badbodh> and kernel 4.8 used to boot earlier, but not anymore ?[13:25:45] <Zergling_man> Correct.[13:25:48] <Zergling_man> Not since reinstalling it.[13:26:19] <badbodh> okay, boot to kernel 4.8 then. Need to see what borked to begin with. Do these things in that order :[13:26:47] <Zergling_man> I'll switch to that and get back to you.[13:26:52] <badbodh> 1. install wgetpaste 2. run "journalctl -b -p 3|wgetpaste" and note down the link.[13:26:54] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:27:32] *** mattallmill <mattallmill!~mattallmi@ip174-70-145-40.ks.ks.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[13:28:27] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[13:29:26] <Zergling_man> "No caching mode page found", "Assuming drive cache: write through".[13:30:11] <Zergling_man> This stuff has been showing up, but I haven't been thinking much of it. Have I been wrong?[13:30:12] <badbodh> that's for your flash drive ignore it[13:30:32] <badbodh> 1. install wgetpaste 2. run "journalctl -b -p 3|wgetpaste" and gimme the link[13:30:38] <Zergling_man> Are you sure about that? It's prefixed by [ssd][13:30:41] <Zergling_man> Oh,[13:30:42] <Zergling_man> No it's not.[13:30:45] <Zergling_man> I can't read for shit.[13:31:04] <badbodh> you need to be calm and patient[13:31:36] <badbodh> don't rush to action. Let me finish discussing this through, helping through an IRC channel has certain limitations[13:31:44] <Zergling_man> Fair point.[13:32:08] <Zergling_man> That doesn't help my eyes be less bad though.[13:32:48] <badbodh> you on kernel 4.8 now? you get any gui? if not, switch to tty shell and do the things ^[13:33:02] <Zergling_man> Yes, no, and yep.[13:34:03] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/oz9pRufnGfWpioyOI8HV/[13:34:05] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/FJdbKf] Paste #oz9pRufnGfWpioyOI8HV at spacepaste[13:35:11] <badbodh> there's your problem, you broke amdgpu[13:35:13] <badbodh> Jan 25 23:27:37 Xiao-Che kernel: amdgpu 0000:01:00.0: Invalid PCI ROM header signature: expecting 0xaa55, got 0xffff[13:35:44] <badbodh> lemme google fu, i don't have ati graphics[13:35:56] <Zergling_man> Whelp.[13:36:25] <Zergling_man> I had considered switching to proprietary driver but didn't actually change anything yet.[13:36:30] <Zergling_man> So I don't know how it got broke.[13:36:36] <Zergling_man> >:|[13:37:05] *** HypeThang66 <HypeThang66!~HypeThang@unaffiliated/hypethang66> has joined #manjaro[13:37:18] <badbodh> okay time for pastebin attack[13:37:37] <badbodh> "inxi -Fxzc0 |wgetpaste"[13:38:50] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/ticeFrpV4wE21DBARNVD/[13:38:52] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/EOli1G] Page Not Found at spacepaste[13:38:55] <Zergling_man> uh[13:39:02] *** tefter <tefter!~bmaxa@c-bg-d-p1-76.bvcom.net> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[13:39:07] <badbodh> "cat /etc/default/grub|wgetpaste"[13:39:16] <Zergling_man> Did that link actually work?[13:39:23] <badbodh> lol. nope, try again[13:39:52] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@37.142.183.193> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:40:08] <badbodh> or use 'wgetpaste -s gists' instead, it's better[13:41:11] <Zergling_man> Oh, it's an l instead of a 1. ~_~[13:41:30] <badbodh> hmm.[13:41:49] <badbodh> "cat /etc/default/grub|wgetpaste"[13:42:04] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3511.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[13:42:23] <Zergling_man> Gist is not easier for transcribing. :S[13:42:40] <badbodh> no worries, use whatever suites you[13:42:56] <badbodh> just gimme a link. we got a few more pastebins to go[13:43:29] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/oRx3j3akTpP1IAd5Ijd8[13:43:32] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/cy7oqQ] Paste #oRx3j3akTpP1IAd5Ijd8 at spacepaste[13:43:34] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@37.142.183.193> has joined #manjaro[13:43:53] *** Totalkrill <Totalkrill!~Total_Kri@h-28-78.a159.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:44:34] <Zergling_man> At this point I'm wondering if I could just reinstall the drivers completely to fix it.[13:44:52] <Zergling_man> (The better question is "can I make it worse by trying".)[13:45:11] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[13:45:34] <badbodh> we will get there eventually. First lemme take a "snapshot" of your system before you fuck it up[13:45:43] <Zergling_man> Far too late for that.[13:45:54] <badbodh> *further[13:45:57] <Zergling_man> :P[13:46:15] <badbodh> "cat /etc/pacman.conf|wgetpaste"[13:47:18] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/FOJCXCDcn0WY4NXmyOKD/[13:47:21] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/fCVsvt] (link was unresponsive: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/FOJCXCDcn0WY4NXmyOKD/)[13:47:40] <Zergling_man> ...?[13:48:07] <badbodh> "ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |wgetpaste"[13:49:06] <Zergling_man> Don't suppose you know how to do the ctrl+up thing in Finch?[13:49:41] <badbodh> never used finch, sorry. try shift-page up, shift-up etc[13:50:12] <Zergling_man> Ah whatever[13:50:24] <badbodh> "ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |wgetpaste"[13:50:32] <badbodh> "ls /etc/X11/ |wgetpaste"[13:50:37] <badbodh> ^ gimme these[13:50:45] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has left #manjaro[13:51:05] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/EI1arOqsgCwkxE6ybC2x/[13:51:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bdnpfy] Paste #EI1arOqsgCwkxE6ybC2x at spacepaste[13:51:40] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/1hwTdWsdlQnoCTqJkXjM/[13:51:42] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/xGgrk8] Paste #1hwTdWsdlQnoCTqJkXjM at spacepaste[13:51:58] *** Joseph <Joseph!~Penskins@gateway/tor-sasl/penskins> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:52:04] <badbodh> okay, so mhwd will handle them nasty configs[13:52:12] <badbodh> "mhwd -li |wgetpaste"[13:52:14] <Zergling_man> Heh.[13:52:59] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/v4zzEFfaHZNayMOKeJWo/[13:53:01] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ELtDbY] Paste #v4zzEFfaHZNayMOKeJWo at spacepaste[13:53:26] <badbodh> great. now last lightdm pastebins.[13:53:59] <badbodh> "cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf|wgetpaste"[13:54:05] <Zergling_man> Was about to ask if that was it.[13:54:48] *** MatthewAllan93 <MatthewAllan93!~MatthewAl@unaffiliated/matthewallan93> has joined #manjaro[13:54:54] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/HMGXZEA1CRJtr94k0DhR/[13:54:56] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/asBXOV] Paste #HMGXZEA1CRJtr94k0DhR at spacepaste[13:55:26] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3312.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[13:55:27] <badbodh> looks like you broke lightdm or something :P[13:55:34] <Zergling_man> Oh cool.[13:55:43] <badbodh> "ls /etc/lightdm |wgetpaste"[13:56:38] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/u7T2NYZsyn3yo3UdIJND/[13:56:39] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/xG08lq] Paste #u7T2NYZsyn3yo3UdIJND at spacepaste[13:57:07] <Zergling_man> pacnew sounds funny.[13:57:25] <badbodh> "cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf |wgetpaste"[13:57:51] *** manjaro-web|4490 <manjaro-web|4490!4e15920f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.21.146.15> has joined #manjaro[13:58:21] *** Totalkrill <Totalkrill!~Total_Kri@h-28-78.a159.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #manjaro[13:58:24] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/WN0uuKATKnpxd1KPMZjM/[13:58:27] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/tq8Zet] (link was unresponsive: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/WN0uuKATKnpxd1KPMZjM/)[13:58:31] <Zergling_man> "uuKAT" teehee[13:58:39] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3312.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has left #manjaro[13:59:06] <badbodh> "cd /etc/lightdm"[13:59:23] <Zergling_man> Already there.[13:59:31] <badbodh> "mv lightdm.conf.pacnew lightdm.conf"[14:00:29] <Zergling_man> Done.[14:00:36] <badbodh> then we edit "nano lightdm.conf" , scroll to the line that says "#greeter-session=example-gtk-gnome"[14:00:39] <Zergling_man> (And kept a backup of the other one just in case...)[14:01:14] <badbodh> make that "greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter"[14:01:34] <Zergling_man> That includes uncommenting it?[14:01:58] <badbodh> yep, don;t edit the description section though, people always mix those up[14:02:09] <Zergling_man> I had to do a double-take on it...[14:02:10] <badbodh> description section will say "# greeter-session = Session to load for greeter"[14:02:26] <badbodh> don;t touch that, look for #greeter-session=example-gtk-gnome[14:02:32] <Zergling_man> Yep.[14:03:11] <badbodh> #greeter-session=example-gtk-gnome ---> greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter[14:03:17] <badbodh> # removed[14:03:18] <Zergling_man> Also, it's easier because I've run into that problem several times before on some other config files.[14:03:21] <Zergling_man> Yup.[14:03:44] *** manjaro-web|4490 <manjaro-web|4490!4e15920f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.21.146.15> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[14:04:05] <badbodh> now reboot[14:04:16] <Zergling_man> Okid.[14:04:18] <Zergling_man> Okie*[14:04:25] <badbodh> saved the file ?[14:04:28] <Zergling_man> Yep.[14:04:36] <badbodh> okay then goodbluck[14:04:37] <Zergling_man> brb[14:04:43] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:09:57] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[14:10:29] <Zergling_man> No chamge.[14:10:40] <Zergling_man> Nor change for that matter.[14:11:53] <Zergling_man> Is this the point at which I reinstall amdgpu?[14:12:06] <badbodh> hang on[14:12:47] <badbodh> Zergling_man, which DE do you have installed ?[14:12:52] *** mystified <mystified!~mystif@110-174-9-2.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[14:12:55] <Zergling_man> XFCE.[14:13:17] <badbodh> two things left to try out. This is the first one[14:13:56] *** Isaac <Isaac!~vcore@windows-denmark.cryptostorm.net> has joined #manjaro[14:14:08] <Zergling_man> "Install Unity"? :D[14:14:19] <badbodh> edit /etc/default/grub[14:14:48] <badbodh> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet nomodeset"[14:14:59] <badbodh> save and "update-grub"[14:16:35] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wmyxwylxwjsimxgb> has joined #manjaro[14:17:03] <badbodh> then "mhwd -f -i pci video-amdgpu"[14:17:04] *** manots <manots!~computer_@198.209.13.245> has joined #manjaro[14:17:11] <badbodh> ^ that will reinstall the driver[14:17:43] <Zergling_man> Is that the second thing to try?[14:18:07] <badbodh> nope. still on first thing :)[14:18:22] <Zergling_man> Also I want to pastebin some errors but "sudo update-grub |wgetpaste" doesn't work...[14:18:43] <Zergling_man> They're about sdb1, which is my games drive, so probably no issue.[14:18:49] <Zergling_man> ... It's my NTFS games drive...[14:19:01] <Zergling_man> Now I know why it can't figure it as ext4 or FAT...[14:19:09] <badbodh> ignore that[14:19:18] <Zergling_man> kk[14:19:27] <badbodh> happens when you got "virtual" partitions[14:19:48] <Zergling_man> Ok.[14:19:56] <badbodh> you get that in tty shell only[14:20:06] <manots> yay[14:20:14] <badbodh> in normal gui terminal nothing shows up[14:20:14] <manots> https://www.winehq.org/announce/2.0[14:20:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/0WHuQ8] WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine team is proud to announce that the stable release Wine 2.0[14:20:36] <Zergling_man> Ok, got a couple of errors that things that don't exist can't be removed... Funny that.[14:20:45] <Zergling_man> It seems happy otherwise.[14:21:14] <badbodh> ^ for mhwd command ?[14:21:19] <Zergling_man> Yeah.[14:21:36] <badbodh> screw that, do "pacman -S video-amdgpu" then[14:21:40] <Zergling_man> "could not remove 'radeon': No such file or directory".[14:22:02] <Zergling_man> Well it did finish with "successfully installed".[14:23:17] *** elh9 <elh9!~elh9@gateway/tor-sasl/elh9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:23:22] <badbodh> welp, reboot and see what happens[14:23:47] *** elh9 <elh9!~elh9@gateway/tor-sasl/elh9> has joined #manjaro[14:24:19] <Zergling_man> (Also decided to try the pacman way anyway, and it "can't find target video-amdgpu"... Go figure...)[14:24:30] * Zergling_man shrugs[14:24:39] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:28:43] <elh9> morning[14:29:15] *** gawd <gawd!~gawd@2600:8800:5180:2340:543c:d3c:b5c7:f16e> has joined #manjaro[14:30:38] <gawd> Ahoy !![14:30:44] <badbodh> hola[14:30:57] <gawd> How goes it ??[14:31:29] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[14:32:11] <Zergling_man> Well, now they all behave the same, which seems to be very close to what 4.10 was already doing.[14:32:26] <badbodh> okay. Now second thang[14:32:41] <Zergling_man> Also giving me some error about VAGCON or so? That vanished before I could properly read it.[14:33:35] <badbodh> "mhwd -l |wgetpaste"[14:34:36] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/6UZvMTiwr76Zc5j207fv/[14:34:38] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/VjEh6o] Page Not Found at spacepaste[14:34:42] <Zergling_man> oops[14:34:52] <badbodh> nope[14:35:03] <Zergling_man> Oh, it's 2O7.[14:35:15] *** aidin <aidin!~aidin@220-244-225-238.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[14:35:34] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@host86-171-89-36.range86-171.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:35:58] *** nuuuciano <nuuuciano!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has joined #manjaro[14:36:04] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@37.142.183.193> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[14:36:10] <badbodh> hmm. your only other option is catalyst, which i've heard doesn;t work on xorg > 1.17[14:36:31] <badbodh> try manually starting xfce with startx[14:36:45] <Zergling_man> That was actually my plan anyway, since I have a couple of games that I'm convinced will work if I switch drivers.[14:37:06] <Zergling_man> So definitely worth a try...[14:38:18] <Zergling_man> xserverrc complains about /usr/bin/X not existing, then it "can't connect" and fails.[14:38:19] <badbodh> gotta know if your graphics is broken, or just the display manager[14:38:38] <badbodh> wtf. did you remove xorg or something?[14:38:59] <Zergling_man> At this point, I have no fucking clue...[14:39:39] <badbodh> gimme "pacman -Qs xorg|wgetpaste"[14:39:51] <Zergling_man> Aha, s is what I need to search.[14:40:56] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/P29eZjf99eI29mWS9pka/[14:40:57] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/dwLpVG] Paste #P29eZjf99eI29mWS9pka at spacepaste[14:42:38] *** rumflump <rumflump!~weechat@unaffiliated/olscumpy> has joined #manjaro[14:42:45] <badbodh> you....you...you cunt chopping cactus humping shit licking rabid mongrel !!![14:42:56] <badbodh> xorg-server, where is it?[14:43:02] *** mystified <mystified!~mystif@110-174-9-2.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[14:43:06] <badbodh> *i am being overly dramatic for comic effect*[14:43:30] <Zergling_man> pacman -S xorg-server ?[14:43:31] *** chomwitt <chomwitt!~chomwitt@athedsl-31597.home.otenet.gr> has joined #manjaro[14:44:05] <badbodh> what else have you removed o.0 give me "cat /var/log/pacman.log|wgetpaste"[14:45:53] <Zergling_man> uh, okay, that command keeps failing, it told me to try --verbose or --debug. So I did the former, and uh... That's a LOT of lines...[14:46:24] <Zergling_man> ... Can I |wgetpaste|wgetpaste?[14:46:25] <badbodh> okay, ^ install xorg-server , that's kinda important[14:46:58] <badbodh> but do check pacman log later, see if you removed anything else by "mistake"[14:47:10] <Zergling_man> I'm certainly curious now.[14:47:25] <Zergling_man> Alright, xorg-server installed. I'll try rebooting again, shall I?[14:48:22] *** void9 <void9!~smuxi@89.37.112.221> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:48:30] <badbodh> yes[14:49:06] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:50:08] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@14.141.219.169> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:50:52] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@14.141.219.169> has joined #manjaro[14:51:00] *** Simon7 <Simon7!~manjaro-k@2804:18:4011:49f9:fe83:3d6d:3e9e:c1fe> has joined #manjaro[14:55:40] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[14:55:46] <Zergling_man> Progress, of a sort.[14:55:48] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has left #manjaro[14:56:45] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has joined #manjaro[14:56:52] <Zergling_man> And a wrong button.[14:57:14] <Zergling_man> So xorg now starts up in tty7, and then just does nothing. But it's a step forward.[14:58:35] <Zergling_man> hah, calling startx crashes it with a fancy fountain.[14:59:26] *** aidin <aidin!~aidin@220-244-225-238.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:59:44] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:00:45] <badbodh> lightdm starts in tty7[15:01:08] <badbodh> nothing new about that. gdm starts on 1, lxdm too is i recall (or was it tty2 ?)[15:01:19] <badbodh> depends on display manager[15:01:54] <badbodh> did you install from standard xfce iso ?[15:03:15] <Zergling_man> Originally, yes.[15:03:20] <Zergling_man> That was 4.5 or something though.[15:03:25] <Zergling_man> Maybe 4.4...[15:04:04] <Zergling_man> At this point I'm considering reinstalling. Given that my home directory is elsewhere, I shouldn't lose anything that I actually care about. It'll just mean time setting up half my Pidgin plugins again.[15:04:58] <badbodh> you may save a few files from /etc if you;re *that* geeky[15:05:12] <badbodh> but aye, /home safe = everything safe in general[15:05:56] <badbodh> i'm still aghast at how you managed to remove xorg-server without anybody complaining or shooting errors[15:06:11] <badbodh> this needs to be re-produced and reported up high you know[15:07:21] <Zergling_man> Well I found the bit in my pacman.log.[15:07:29] <Zergling_man> Thing is, I don't remember asking it to do that.[15:08:14] <Zergling_man> As soon as I figure out how to cut and paste with nano, I'll send you the whole segment...[15:08:36] <Strit_Laptop> Removing xorg-server was probably some catalyst dependency thing.[15:08:59] <Zergling_man> ... Actually, that's convenient, it's all in the same hour alongside nothing else...[15:09:03] *** Joseph <Joseph!~Penskins@gateway/tor-sasl/penskins> has joined #manjaro[15:09:45] <Zergling_man> uh, how do I grep for a literal string?[15:11:22] *** Manj-811-Xfce <Manj-811-Xfce!~sasha@37-147-95-63.broadband.corbina.ru> has joined #manjaro[15:11:26] <badbodh> you mean "command |grep foo" ?[15:11:57] <Joseph> have to say, screenfetch looks real nice on Manjaro[15:11:59] *** Manj-811-Xfce <Manj-811-Xfce!~sasha@37-147-95-63.broadband.corbina.ru> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:12:46] <Zergling_man> Kinda. I want to get it to return things matching "[2017-01-25 12:".[15:12:57] <Zergling_man> I tried -F and it just told me "binary file (standard input) matches".[15:15:15] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~strit@87-62-150-162-static.dk.customer.tdc.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:16:50] *** ziggys <ziggys!~ziggys@unaffiliated/ziggys> has joined #manjaro[15:17:15] <Zergling_man> Tried grep "2017-01-25 12" derp, got the same result. Eh...?[15:17:56] <badbodh> your pacman.log is binary, wth ?[15:18:11] <Zergling_man> I guess? It opens just fine in nano so idk.[15:18:37] <badbodh> cat /var/log/pacman.log |grep "2017-01-25"[15:18:40] <badbodh> ^ try that[15:19:09] <Zergling_man> Says the same thing.[15:20:14] <Zergling_man> Can I do a "save as" type of thing to force it into plaintext?[15:20:26] <badbodh> Zergling_man, cat /var/log/pacman.log|grep removed |wgetpaste[15:21:08] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has joined #manjaro[15:21:39] <Zergling_man> Before I wgetpaste that, I'd like to point out the last matching entry was on the 19th... Which is completely wrong...[15:22:27] <badbodh> wrong <---- read that in potus voice[15:23:11] <Zergling_man> Though the next entry after that is today, right when it all fell apart, so.... What.[15:23:55] <badbodh> just gimme that darn pastebin[15:24:43] *** HypeThang66 <HypeThang66!~HypeThang@unaffiliated/hypethang66> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[15:25:59] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@nat-pool-a-82.brody.net.ua> has joined #manjaro[15:26:08] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/SuyErAYga5vBAzCXGkG0/[15:26:12] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/dwl3VO] (link was unresponsive: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/SuyErAYga5vBAzCXGkG0/)[15:26:55] <manjaroi3> any one is here[15:27:02] *** manjaroi3_ <manjaroi3_!~manjaro-i@37.142.183.193> has joined #manjaro[15:27:11] <manjaroi3> ?[15:27:53] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@nat-pool-a-82.brody.net.ua> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:27:55] *** teeneebobby <teeneebobby!~champ@2604:880:a:7::f9c> has joined #manjaro[15:30:29] *** Simon7 <Simon7!~manjaro-k@2804:18:4011:49f9:fe83:3d6d:3e9e:c1fe> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:30:31] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@14.141.219.169> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[15:31:00] <Zergling_man> I have a bunch of ^@^@^@ in the file that show up well after I broke everything, but I can't get any results from even grep 2017 derp, after removing every entry before today. (From a copy, of course.)[15:31:10] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@122.15.16.169> has joined #manjaro[15:31:28] *** marco-parillo <marco-parillo!d8cb060b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.203.6.11> has joined #manjaro[15:31:50] <badbodh> you broke pacman too[15:32:00] <Zergling_man> But on the other hand, I can just upload that entire file. It's only a page or two long at this point.[15:32:45] <badbodh> do a fresh install. your system is now a ticking time bomb. Please be careful with what you remove[15:32:59] <Zergling_man> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/ZYEuD8HEWNa4sDOkeOfK/[15:33:00] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@122.15.16.169> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:33:02] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/eQDuNW] Paste #ZYEuD8HEWNa4sDOkeOfK at spacepaste[15:33:05] <Zergling_man> I didn't even remove anything weird.[15:33:08] <badbodh> keep a close watch when you install/upgrade too. includes instructions and stuff[15:33:55] <Zergling_man> I'm really curious about this part though. Installing the linux49 stuff and removing the linux48 stuff, I did deliberately. The other stuff directly below... I didn't ask for any of that.[15:33:57] <Joseph> And don't do partial upgrades[15:34:12] <Zergling_man> Define a partial upgrade.[15:34:27] *** ziggys <ziggys!~ziggys@unaffiliated/ziggys> has quit IRC (Quit: Tenn' enomentielva!)[15:34:29] <Joseph> When only specific packages are upgraded, instead of the whole system, in essence[15:34:44] <Zergling_man> ... Isn't that the whole point of a package system?[15:34:45] <Joseph> This is a common thing recommended for Arch, and Arch-based distros[15:35:12] <Zergling_man> (Not that I have actually treated it that way so far.)[15:35:21] <badbodh> Zergling_man, did you install 4.9 and removed 4.8 without rebooting ?[15:35:26] <Zergling_man> Yes.[15:35:30] <Zergling_man> I thought I mentioned this.[15:35:47] <badbodh> that's where you fucked up. Don;t remove a kernel that's currently running[15:35:51] <Joseph> What[15:35:57] <badbodh> this is what took apart your syste,[15:35:59] <Joseph> Wait, 4.8 and 4.9 what??[15:36:03] <Joseph> The Linux kernel?! O.O[15:36:12] <Zergling_man> As I said right at the start: It seemed like a good idea at the time. I recalled having huge trouble with something of this nature before.[15:36:22] <badbodh> install a kernel, reboot into new one, then remove the old one. That's how it;s done[15:36:45] <Joseph> Zergling_man: The Linux kernel is stored in RAM, and you cannot just take it out like something hot swappable, it needs to be on the HDD when it is running and loaded in RAM[15:36:58] <Joseph> You need to install a new one, boot into new one, and then remove old one[15:37:15] <Zergling_man> At the very least, at this point I'm assuming there's no point reproducing how xorg got uninstalled.[15:37:17] <Joseph> If you did that, your distro may do God knows what[15:37:37] <badbodh> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/ZYEuD8HEWNa4sDOkeOfK/ <---- install whatever you removed after line 75[15:37:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/eQDuNW] Paste #ZYEuD8HEWNa4sDOkeOfK at spacepaste[15:37:39] *** ziggys <ziggys!~ziggys@unaffiliated/ziggys> has joined #manjaro[15:37:51] <badbodh> *74 sorry[15:38:08] <Zergling_man> I'm also still assuming that I should just go ahead and reinstall.[15:38:11] <teeneebobby> muahahahahhahhahhahahahaha[15:39:10] *** Simon7 <Simon7!~manjaro-k@179.119.194.35> has joined #manjaro[15:39:41] <badbodh> Are you satisfied with my care ?[15:39:46] <Zergling_man> Yes.[15:39:51] <Zergling_man> You helped out a ton.[15:39:58] <Zergling_man> Even if it was ultimately a wild goose chase.[15:40:03] <badbodh> I cannot deactivate unless you cuddle with me nekkid.[15:40:11] <Zergling_man> Oh my.[15:40:18] <Joseph> o.o[15:40:34] <badbodh> all right, just don;t crap with the kernels like that and we're even.[15:40:39] <Joseph> ^[15:41:12] <Joseph> Don't mess around with kernels -- first install new one, boot into it, see that it works with ALL your hardware and suspend/hibernate settings (kernels often mess those up), and then take out the old one[15:41:12] <Zergling_man> That sounds like me getting off lightly, really.[15:41:32] <Zergling_man> I try to avoid suspend/hibernate entirely to begin with...[15:41:46] <Joseph> Yeah, power management on Linux is often...[15:42:01] <Zergling_man> I developed this habit thanks to *Windows*.[15:42:01] <badbodh> thanks to shitty proprietary drivers.[15:42:09] <Joseph> Yep[15:42:21] *** ziggys <ziggys!~ziggys@unaffiliated/ziggys> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:42:24] <badbodh> maybe someday things will be flowery[15:42:26] <teeneebobby> take out the old one[15:42:32] <teeneebobby> neve!!!!!!!!!!!!!![15:42:36] <Zergling_man> That's what she said.[15:42:37] <teeneebobby> :-P[15:42:56] <badbodh> like freetype fonts finally look readable on LCD monitors. I hated how infinality was configured[15:43:26] <Joseph> Is that the Fedora thing[15:43:28] <Joseph> I remember that[15:43:29] <badbodh> been a long long wait :([15:44:34] <badbodh> any distro other than ubuntu looked like shit. Only canonical had license to patch their freetype with patented rendering from apple[15:45:15] <Zergling_man> So, what live boot/install disk maker do you recommend?[15:45:16] <badbodh> even now some fonts look shit on vanilla freetype. but tolerable mostly[15:45:36] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!uid206209@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qgxqapbjlqjercys> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[15:45:52] <Joseph> Zergling_man: for live booting, dd. for install disk making, I've heard of ISOLinux but don't know much about it[15:45:54] <Zergling_man> I have one installed already but I forgot what it's called so owell.[15:45:56] <badbodh> usually we just "dd" it, but if you like GUI go for suse imagewriter[15:47:38] <gawd> Any other Bluetooth programs out there ?? I cant get my speakers to work ..[15:48:05] <badbodh> DE?[15:50:43] <teeneebobby> SystemD[15:52:43] <Zergling_man> So, take bets on how long it takes me to wreck the flashdrive with dd.[15:53:18] <teeneebobby> Is it Made in China?[15:53:26] * teeneebobby bets $100[15:53:40] <Zergling_man> Yep.[15:55:53] *** Combined2857 <Combined2857!~Combined2@unaffiliated/combined2857> has joined #manjaro[15:56:24] <Combined2857> I was expecting manjaro to be a bleeding edge, or at least have latest stable releases of all packages, and not kernel 4.4 and libre office 5.1 ...[15:57:23] <Joseph> Combined2857: it's very easy to swap kernels, though.[15:57:47] <Zergling_man> No it isn't.[15:57:49] <Zergling_man> :D[15:58:05] <Joseph> It is.[15:58:13] <Joseph> I mean, I'm talking about doing it right.[15:58:13] <badbodh> yo just did it wrong.[15:58:24] <badbodh> if you can't fap doesn;t mean fapping is hard[15:59:54] <Joseph> Combined2857: also, as for LibreOffice; probably you need the -fresh packge https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?name=libreoffice-fresh[15:59:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/gzUae2] Arch Linux - 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That's how i landed here :P[16:46:43] *** badbodh <badbodh!~androirc@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[16:47:06] <Grey__> I enjoyed making my arch machine. But then i fucked something up but had not backup *tableflip*[16:47:58] <badbodh> lol[16:48:09] <CoffeePad> Grey__: Oo IK what You mean (i use a i3wm arch install)[16:49:12] <Grey__> :D[16:49:27] <CoffeePad> Grey__: killer a lot of distros[16:49:30] <CoffeePad> Killed[16:50:29] <badbodh> good for you[16:51:01] <badbodh> as long as you learn some stuff each time, destruction is good[16:51:22] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[16:51:56] <Grey__> Oh btw, how do the backups work on linux? I know there are conf files in the home directory for each user. But also in /etc/ Is the something else i also need to backup?[16:53:05] *** mandje_ <mandje_!~mandje@2001:985:8762:1:b15b:ae6f:1977:9a1d> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:53:54] <CoffeePad> Grey__: IIRC there is a system command that makes backups[16:54:30] <badbodh> rsync / tar them[16:54:52] <Grey__> badbodh: that's the full command? Oo[16:55:13] <CoffeePad> Grey__: just google on sync and tar[16:55:24] <Grey__> will do, thx[16:55:36] <CoffeePad> Then you will learn more then you need and that's good[16:55:48] <badbodh> you may do full root rsync, to restore system wipe partitions, rsync them back and grub-install[16:55:49] <Grey__> true[16:56:11] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[16:56:16] <badbodh> just leave out /proc /sys /dev and /tmp[16:56:46] <Grey__> I saw somewhere that you should leave /dev in or it might break something :o[16:56:51] <badbodh> man rsync , man tar <---- to learn all the options[16:57:08] <badbodh> plan your backups accordingly[16:57:20] *** Digit <Digit!~user@fsf/member/digit> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:57:27] <Grey__> i'll RTFM i guess haha[16:58:03] <badbodh> you better. Shitty backup equals no bsckup :D[16:58:09] <Grey__> haha[16:58:11] <CoffeePad> Imo watch a vid about the subject learns me more[16:58:22] <CoffeePad> Watching*[16:58:22] <Grey__> i like reading :P[16:58:37] <badbodh> reading is healthier. stimulates your brain[16:58:38] <CoffeePad> I have dyslexia[16:58:57] <badbodh> watching videos and photos reduces your learning ability[16:59:10] <Grey__> sauce![16:59:14] <CoffeePad> Soo not brain stimulation for me[16:59:17] <CoffeePad> ;)[16:59:27] <badbodh> dyslexic should stay away from terminals then[16:59:52] <badbodh> don't bother doing deep linuxy shit[17:00:04] <Grey__> but i need to backup a server without physical access. Because my "employer" is afraid that a apt-get upgrade will break his machine.[17:00:33] <Grey__> And i need to upgrade the kernel too[17:00:45] <Grey__> i just arrived at the place and it's a mess.[17:01:09] <CoffeePad> badbodh: 40% of all engineers is dyslexic[17:01:33] <Grey__> that's why there are a lot of bad documentation :P[17:01:35] <badbodh> I don't have time for bullshit[17:01:52] <badbodh> come back when you have real topics[17:02:11] *** apqlzm-_ <apqlzm-_!manjaro-kd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-pdpenvtxtizrziqn> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:02:38] <Grey__> besides, i wondered. are there any risks of breaking something if you just upgrade software? Oo[17:02:45] <Grey__> It never happenned to me though[17:03:10] <badbodh> there is always a risk involved when changing your hdd contents[17:03:20] <badbodh> that includes upgtades[17:03:35] <Grey__> I see...[17:03:55] <badbodh> learn to rollback, troubleshoot and backup to minimise damage[17:04:25] <Grey__> yeah it's the backup & rollback part that i need to work on ^^[17:04:28] <Grey__> Thanks[17:04:57] *** yppe <yppe!~yppe@n8m3d72i1eib2gydh-2.v6.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:05:33] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ezvscleudpdwuobx> has joined #manjaro[17:05:35] <badbodh> since you're rsyncing, always backup pactree[17:06:01] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!uid206209@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-woqtqcvkstxwtkow> has joined #manjaro[17:06:17] <badbodh> it's on /var/lib/pacman or /usr/lib/pacman[17:06:45] <badbodh> can't remember. basically a list of all files and packages installed[17:07:25] <Grey__> oh right, which means it has old packages so that i can reinstall them just in case.[17:07:36] <badbodh> important to back that up on faulty drive. had to finf out the hard eay[17:13:14] <teeneebobby> meh, backups /home and done with it... muahahaha[17:14:00] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@117.45.59.221> has joined #manjaro[17:14:46] *** cor1u1m <cor1u1m!~corium@94.242.252.40> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:16:42] *** Simon7 <Simon7!~manjaro-k@2804:18:4011:49f9:fe83:3d6d:3e9e:c1fe> has joined #manjaro[17:17:05] *** Simon7 <Simon7!~manjaro-k@2804:18:4011:49f9:fe83:3d6d:3e9e:c1fe> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:17:31] *** manjaro-web|5168 <manjaro-web|5168!62c8b346@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.200.179.70> has joined #manjaro[17:17:40] *** Simon7 <Simon7!~manjaro-k@2804:18:4011:49f9:fe83:3d6d:3e9e:c1fe> has joined #manjaro[17:17:59] *** manjaro-web|5168 <manjaro-web|5168!62c8b346@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.200.179.70> has left #manjaro[17:19:16] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Configuring a fresh install from scratch is too much work[17:23:15] <Zergling_man> Thanks again for your help. ^^ I'm off now.[17:23:46] <badbodh> you learn once, and use till eternity....or an update breaks functionality[17:24:05] *** Zergling_man <Zergling_man!~wisknort@ppp118-208-225-86.bras1.hba2.internode.on.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:24:16] <badbodh> whichever earlier[17:24:22] <badbodh> 😊[17:25:00] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:25:51] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[17:27:22] <teeneebobby> I reinstall soo many times[17:27:27] <teeneebobby> no problem for me :D[17:32:10] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@117.45.59.221> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:32:13] *** Digit <Digit!~user@fsf/member/digit> has joined #manjaro[17:34:13] *** akirabit <akirabit!~a3@42.red-81-35-49.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #manjaro[17:34:27] *** malfane <malfane!~dabozz@c-98-245-1-140.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[17:34:52] *** elh9 <elh9!~elh9@gateway/tor-sasl/elh9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:35:02] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #manjaro[17:36:58] <Grey__> teeneebobby: you won't be able to do that on servers though[17:37:12] <Grey__> teeneebobby: Time = money :P[17:37:47] <Celmor> getting these messages in dmesg in red: http://sprunge.us/Zhah ... why?[17:37:48] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/3Md2Wo] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)[17:38:20] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@77.243.183.117> has joined #manjaro[17:38:55] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@77.243.183.117> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:41:24] *** prillian5 <prillian5!~prillian5@2001-4dd4-f41b-0-aa28-99d5-2e1-22a0.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has joined #manjaro[17:44:28] <teeneebobby> Grey__, these days we have ansible[17:44:30] <teeneebobby> :-p[17:48:01] <Grey__> Well, it's easy. But at what cost?[17:48:06] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:48:14] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@dhcp-19-19.cs.uit.no> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[17:49:25] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:50:39] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~s@23.107.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch> has joined #manjaro[17:50:41] *** MatthewAllan93 <MatthewAllan93!~MatthewAl@unaffiliated/matthewallan93> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[17:52:33] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~s@23.107.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch> has left #manjaro[17:53:10] *** Simon7 <Simon7!~manjaro-k@2804:18:4011:49f9:fe83:3d6d:3e9e:c1fe> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:54:14] <teeneebobby> Grey__, Well, who ever owns and run does server decide the cost[17:54:26] <teeneebobby> :)[17:56:10] *** peetaur2 <peetaur2!~peter@i4DF67CD2.pool.tripleplugandplay.com> has quit IRC (Ping 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joined #manjaro[21:02:55] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@p2003005DAF6E1EFD01C2935BCA579984.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:05:25] <Kalis> What are the requirements for getting an rx 460 graphics card to work properly?[21:05:47] <teeneebobby> lol[21:05:49] *** manjaroi3_ <manjaroi3_!~manjaro-i@2.53.189.227> has joined #manjaro[21:06:07] <teeneebobby> Kalis, You lucky I caught your comment[21:06:17] <teeneebobby> I have RX 480[21:06:38] <teeneebobby> Depends, wtf you want to accomplish?[21:07:01] <rhg135> Patience[21:07:17] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-5232.dyn.kponet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:07:28] <rhg135> I think it works with amdgpu[21:07:32] <teeneebobby> The default Open Source Drivers should work except for HDMI Audio[21:08:13] *** enp3s0 <enp3s0!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:08:14] <Kalis> I'd like to be able to set my monitor to 1080p. Also video games.[21:08:23] <NanoSector> use an amdgpu compatible kernel[21:08:30] <teeneebobby> LOL[21:08:35] <teeneebobby> The wood works[21:08:36] <Joseph> Heads up though[21:08:40] <Joseph> https://community.amd.com/thread/205615[21:08:42] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bC8tzU] [Ubuntu 16.04] Can not extract amdgpu-pro archive | Community[21:08:46] <teeneebobby> Everybody have something to say[21:08:56] <Joseph> A lot of people reported that the AMD supplied driver on Linux has issues on AMD's side for that GPU[21:09:00] <Joseph> So take that into account[21:09:01] <teeneebobby> Well, good luck, I won't share my experience[21:09:26] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:10:20] <teeneebobby> Joseph, AMD supplied driver.. lol muahahahahhahaha[21:10:34] <Joseph> Did I say something funny?[21:10:40] <teeneebobby> Hahahhahahahha[21:10:56] <Joseph> ...[21:11:12] <teeneebobby> Joseph, You like me huh, just lurking in the room[21:12:59] <Kalis> So I installed the version with cinnamon, noting the resolution would not go above 1366x768. OK, so another driver, right? mhwd -l tells me video-vesa is all that's available. So I look up amdgpu on arch's wiki. Requires 4.9 kernels, so I install those. Upon restarting & selecting that kernel, screen goes blank, with a lone cursor.[21:13:34] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has joined #manjaro[21:13:40] <teeneebobby> LOL, these guys think they know... let them help you and I read and laugh[21:13:51] <teeneebobby> hahahahhaha[21:15:03] <teeneebobby> Number 1, that resolution seem like a laptop screen.. But I am not sure because the research I've done, RX series doesn't have laptop version yet.. Maybe I am behind[21:15:04] <manjaroi3> Kalis, do you have Intel graphics as well?[21:15:39] <teeneebobby> ^^[21:15:42] <teeneebobby> Good luck[21:16:40] *** yabbounic <yabbounic!~yabbes@dslb-088-078-001-146.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:17:25] <Kalis> teeneebobby, settings even recognizes it as a laptop screen, even though it's a 32" TV. manjaroi3, I do. To switch, it'd be as simple as using the mb's hdmi, right?[21:18:24] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has joined #manjaro[21:18:25] *** Dearu <Dearu!~Thunderbi@46.198.237.103> has joined #manjaro[21:19:29] <teeneebobby> Kalis, Well, it's what Xorg reads from EDID[21:19:32] <rhg135> Kalis: does your display have a proper edid? Does it work on another PC ootb?[21:19:35] <teeneebobby> The latest tech[21:19:50] <teeneebobby> So, However, look at the logs[21:20:02] <teeneebobby> /var/log/Xorg.0.log[21:20:09] <teeneebobby> What driver is loaded?[21:20:15] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> hate it when I have to fix stuff lol[21:20:37] <teeneebobby> Then what Resolutions tells xorg[21:20:42] <teeneebobby> But aye[21:20:49] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:21:38] <teeneebobby> Joseph, manjaroi3 Might have opinions I don't know about xd[21:23:05] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has joined #manjaro[21:23:05] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> you dont happen to know how to fix this do ya ? error: failed to prepare transaction (could not find database)[21:23:33] <rhg135> pacman -Syy[21:23:36] <Joseph> Manj-1611-Lxqt: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/34606/pacman-could-not-find-database[21:23:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/vaz2rg] arch linux - pacman could not find database - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange[21:23:47] <Joseph> Manj-1611-Lxqt: That was the first Google hit.[21:23:50] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> Im there[21:24:02] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> I did pacman-syy[21:24:06] <Joseph> NO.[21:24:10] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> and went to that exact website[21:24:11] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> tried it[21:24:13] <Joseph> pacman -Syy[21:24:14] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> and nothing[21:24:14] <Joseph> Like that.[21:24:18] <Joseph> NOT "pacman-syy"[21:24:27] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> yes like that[21:24:36] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> nothing[21:25:07] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:25:11] <teeneebobby> You need to add a fing space[21:25:12] *** GeekK <GeekK!~opera@145.130.236.170> has left #manjaro[21:25:31] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> it gives me this[21:25:35] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> error: failed retrieving file 'infinality-bundle.db' from bohoomil.com : Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds[21:25:35] <rhg135> Update your mirror list then[21:25:35] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> error: failed to update infinality-bundle (download library error)[21:25:41] <teeneebobby> pacman -syyu (I would recommend) will redownlaod the database[21:25:44] <teeneebobby> xD[21:25:45] <rhg135> Eh[21:25:53] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[21:26:06] <rhg135> Remove those, they're dead now[21:26:30] <teeneebobby> rhg135, yes boss[21:26:44] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3312.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[21:26:51] <rhg135> Time to go back to vanilla Freetown again sadly[21:26:57] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> ok ILl try ty[21:27:15] <rhg135> Freetype***[21:27:24] <teeneebobby> !w pacman[21:27:24] <Botergos> Pac-Man - Pac-Man (Japanese: パックマン, Hepburn: Pakkuman), stylized as PAC-MAN, is an arcade game developed by Namco and first released in Japan in May 1980. It was created by Japanese video game designer Toru Iwatani. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man[21:27:34] <teeneebobby> !aw pacman[21:27:34] <Botergos> Pacman - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman[21:29:08] <rhg135> There's this https://gist.github.com/cryzed/e002e7057435f02cc7894b9e748c5671 if you want to get near results on vanilla freetype[21:29:08] <Kalis> Where in the log would I look for display's edid, or which driver is loaded? (or should I just pastebin the log?)[21:29:13] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/eKNs7t] A set of instructions on how to fix the harfbuzz + Infinality issue and restoring good-looking, Infinality-like font rendering. · GitHub[21:29:14] *** Lukimya <Lukimya!~pc@cable-roi-50ddf8-101.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:29:53] <teeneebobby> [15:20:00] <teeneebobby> /var/log/Xorg.0.log[21:29:56] <rhg135> Infinality, you shall be missed[21:32:08] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> ty[21:32:09] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[21:33:05] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@178-190-218-150.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[21:33:06] <Kalis> here's the log: http://pastebin.com/wR5nkSRr[21:33:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/g2Kkj0] [ 11.850] X.Org X Server 1.19.1 Release Date: 2017-01-11 [ 11.850] X P - Pastebin.com[21:33:15] *** manjaro-web|8299 <manjaro-web|8299!b09c13df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.156.19.223> has joined #manjaro[21:33:37] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3312.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[21:35:26] <teeneebobby> This is Manjaro?[21:35:26] <teeneebobby> Looks like Arch to me[21:35:27] *** teeneebobby is now known as BugzBunny[21:35:42] *** manjaro-web|8299 <manjaro-web|8299!b09c13df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.156.19.223> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:36:21] <Joseph> BugzBunny: what[21:36:27] <Joseph> [ 11.850] Current Operating System: Linux sala-pc 4.4.41-1-MANJARO #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jan 9 09:33:22 UTC 2017 x86_64[21:36:35] <Joseph> How in the hell does that look like Arch to you[21:37:47] <BugzBunny> Ahhh, I missed that, I came to that conclusion because I don't see Xorg doing it's routine picking the right driver[21:37:53] <Joseph> ................[21:38:25] <BugzBunny> And you have a fucking problem with that Joseph[21:38:30] *** manjaroi3_ <manjaroi3_!~manjaro-i@2.53.189.227> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:38:36] <BugzBunny> No problem with me[21:38:52] <Joseph> Well, given that you were laughing at half the channel before and can't seem to identify distros from a simple log file...[21:39:14] <BugzBunny> hahahaha[21:40:11] *** joaojotta <joaojotta!~joaojotta@acb1-84-91-18-209.netvisao.pt> has joined #manjaro[21:40:43] <BugzBunny> I was laughing half the channel, you decide to take this opportune time to address your grievance[21:40:52] <BugzBunny> Joseph, Just Ignore me[21:41:18] *** klinnestjerna <klinnestjerna!9b04843d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.155.4.132.61> has joined #manjaro[21:41:32] <Kalis> >_> Um, anyways, when I had Windows installed on the same system, it worked fine, although for some reason it ran 1080i on the desktop, 1080p in video games.[21:41:52] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[21:41:53] <BugzBunny> <<< I am asshole and dick[21:42:39] <mike-zal> we are polite not to deny ;)[21:42:41] <klinnestjerna> hello everyone, I've just discovered Manjaro, I'd like to thank you all for this wonderful dist. Great work![21:42:48] <Joseph> klinnestjerna: \o[21:42:58] <mike-zal> hi klinnestjerna[21:43:17] <BugzBunny> Me polite[21:43:20] <BugzBunny> hahahahahh[21:43:34] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@ip175-241-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl> has joined #manjaro[21:43:37] <mike-zal> I said "we are polite"[21:43:49] <BugzBunny> Then I am not polite[21:43:53] <BugzBunny> hahahah[21:43:53] <mike-zal> :P[21:44:10] <mike-zal> again, we are too polite to deny it ;)[21:44:15] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@ip175-241-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:44:57] <BugzBunny> We too polite to deny, sounds like a song[21:45:14] <mike-zal> I guess you can write one[21:45:22] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@dslc-082-082-156-167.pools.arcor-ip.net> has joined #manjaro[21:45:36] <BugzBunny> Kalis, I don't how you install it, you missing something, AFAIK, Manjaro should have the basic drivers[21:46:01] <BugzBunny> Now, I've argued on Manjaro forums how they deal GPU implementation[21:46:06] <BugzBunny> But whatever[21:46:27] *** zapperoo_ <zapperoo_!~ZaP@66-247-206-63.setardsl.aw> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:46:46] <BugzBunny> mike-zal, Well, how much money? Why should I care?[21:48:18] <Kalis> I could try booting with the 4.9 kernel again, then when the blank screen shows, alt+f2 to text console... but I wouldn't know where to go from there.[21:49:21] <BugzBunny> For 4.9 in my experience won't provide better results.. However, your Xorg logs is not testing drivers[21:49:43] <BugzBunny> Then comes to, where you got your ISO?[21:50:11] *** klinnestjerna <klinnestjerna!9b04843d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.155.4.132.61> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[21:50:59] <BugzBunny> A typical, why am I wasting my time, these people should know, Xorg will load drivers that match a card per priority and it will that driver[21:51:47] <BugzBunny> His logs is loading only Vesa[21:52:01] <BugzBunny> I suspect, you need to mess around with MHWD[21:52:18] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> cant believe this[21:52:27] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> all the suggestions do not work lol[21:52:35] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> it was easier before[21:54:32] <BugzBunny> 1) What is the problem[21:54:41] <BugzBunny> 2) What are you trying to accomplish[21:54:47] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> I know[21:54:54] <BugzBunny> 3) Give as much debug data[21:54:57] <rhg135> You need to be using amdgpu no exceptions I don't ati supports this one[21:54:59] <BugzBunny> as possible[21:55:01] * Manj-1611-Lxqt gets a huge sledge hammer and smashes the laptop[21:55:02] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAAAB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:55:25] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> hey it worked[21:55:26] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> :D[21:55:29] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAAAB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[21:56:58] <BugzBunny> I looking for some porn to watch[21:57:16] <BugzBunny> So I can masturbate... one second[21:57:46] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> lol[21:57:58] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> well I have no time for that stuff[21:58:05] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> I need my damn system to update[21:58:09] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> and it doesnt :([21:58:18] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> wheres that tech genious[21:58:25] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> genius[21:58:30] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> who usually is here[21:58:37] <Kalis> The iso is the cinnamon community version (16.10.3_stable-x86_64). Would there be any difference using the xfce version?[21:59:02] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> well IM going back to ubuntu :( I didnt want too[21:59:12] *** akirabit <akirabit!~a3@42.red-81-35-49.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Saliendo)[21:59:25] <rhg135> Fix a problem with a bigger one[21:59:36] <rhg135> Good logic bro[21:59:52] <manjaroi3> Kalis, maybe you should start out with Intel. It will also give you rotation. if you want gaming on linux, Ubuntu is the better option.[22:00:08] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> LOL![22:00:13] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> good point[22:00:29] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> stupid ubuntu[22:00:32] <BugzBunny> Looks at manjaroi3[22:00:53] <BugzBunny> He wanted to say that on purpose because I am AMD guy[22:00:59] <BugzBunny> Damn you ![22:01:04] <manjaroi3> sorry :D[22:02:05] <Kalis> But... I LIKE manjaro... can't say the same for ubuntu. Much less windows.[22:02:25] <rhg135> Then get it working[22:02:41] <rhg135> I wish I knew how though[22:02:46] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> I like lxde better[22:03:42] <rhg135> You do need amdgpu working somehow, but as I only own really old GPUs I've never used it[22:04:21] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~yoda@ip70-173-171-101.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:04:42] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~Yoda@ip70-173-171-101.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[22:05:26] <BugzBunny> Damn[22:05:34] <BugzBunny> I have my mobo power save[22:05:38] <BugzBunny> Shit is slow[22:05:59] <BugzBunny> I keep in power save not because watts but of heat[22:06:08] <BugzBunny> but I need to set on performance[22:06:14] <rhg135> More toxic smoke![22:06:23] <NanoSector> if you have tlp, run tlp ac[22:06:38] <BugzBunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD FX-8320E Eight-Core Processor (3.20GHz) • Memory: 7.9 GiB Total (1.2 GiB Free) • Storage: 867.4 GiB / 931.6 GiB (64.2 GiB Free) • VGA: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics • Uptime: 3d 9h 5m 48s[22:06:46] <NanoSector> oh[22:06:53] <NanoSector> don't run tlp ac then, you'll start a fire[22:07:05] <NanoSector> #amdfirejokes[22:07:24] <rhg135> They're truthful jokes though[22:07:28] <BugzBunny> ASUS has this feature where you can put the mobo on powersave[22:07:45] <NanoSector> i still think it was a stupid move to name their workstation cards FirePro[22:07:52] <BugzBunny> The CPU runs cool but I often have the fan on silent[22:07:59] <rhg135> Honesty[22:08:07] <BugzBunny> The lowest fan speeds[22:08:16] <BugzBunny> And it does speed up[22:08:22] <Kalis> Heh, "so your FirePro... is on fire?"[22:08:24] <BugzBunny> So CPU get's hot[22:08:27] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, yeah that doesn't work well if you want performance[22:08:35] <NanoSector> Kalis, it's a pro at starting fires[22:08:50] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt is now known as Yoda_[22:09:08] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, Wassup bro, naw, my system shutdown, but I got to keep an eye on that shit.. But typically[22:09:09] <rhg135> I want to get a nice i5[22:09:18] <Kalis> NanoSector, beat me to it.[22:09:27] <rhg135> Would be faster than what I'm using[22:09:33] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, heh, just kidding[22:09:45] <BugzBunny> Nah, shit shut down[22:09:53] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, though you should disable ASUS's power saving crap[22:09:56] <BugzBunny> I have to monitor CPU temp[22:10:09] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, That's what I am using man[22:10:15] <BugzBunny> You don't like it?[22:10:25] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E268.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[22:10:27] <BugzBunny> It actually delivers[22:10:41] <BugzBunny> It's shit, I mean, with SSD[22:10:46] <BugzBunny> I have to wait[22:11:10] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, you won't get to performance mode if you have power savings on[22:11:23] <NanoSector> it probably downclocks your CPU to save power[22:11:29] <BugzBunny> Of Course mate[22:11:33] <BugzBunny> I know[22:11:36] <BugzBunny> I am alright[22:11:38] <BugzBunny> right that[22:11:47] <NanoSector> so that's what I'm saying[22:12:09] <NanoSector> and i don't know what you want then[22:12:11] <BugzBunny> During that period, I am actively using the computer where it bothers me that much[22:12:17] <BugzBunny> I am not*[22:12:20] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@dslc-082-082-156-167.pools.arcor-ip.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:12:22] <rhg135> It's AMD, if he didn't downclock it'd catch fire[22:12:32] <BugzBunny> What[22:12:35] <rhg135> Unless you have water cooling[22:12:37] <BugzBunny> Bullshit[22:13:11] <rhg135> Yeah I know[22:13:23] <rhg135> It only gets really hot[22:13:25] <BugzBunny> Dude, let me change setting[22:13:51] <rhg135> My laptop routinely his 85C[22:13:58] *** bennypr0fane <bennypr0fane!~manjaro-k@078132043022.public.t-mobile.at> has joined #manjaro[22:14:00] <BugzBunny> muahhahah[22:14:11] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, You know ASUS very well[22:14:43] <NanoSector> asus likes to hang fancy names on basic features[22:14:56] <BugzBunny> It's how I have from ASUS program Silent[22:15:03] *** Celmor <Celmor!~Celmor@HSI-KBW-109-193-083-069.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has left #manjaro[22:15:03] <NanoSector> downclocking is probably called "Super Power Savings Eco Freeze Icing edition"[22:15:17] <BugzBunny> Like, it won't spin hirer[22:15:31] <NanoSector> i really dislike those programs[22:15:39] *** chomwitt <chomwitt!~chomwitt@athedsl-31597.home.otenet.gr> has joined #manjaro[22:15:44] <NanoSector> since they prevent the system from stabilizing itself if it gets too hot[22:15:56] <BugzBunny> Personally[22:16:03] <BugzBunny> I don't mind[22:16:30] *** manjaroDeepin <manjaroDeepin!~Manjaro-D@77.246.55.128> has joined #manjaro[22:16:45] <NanoSector> ok, but what is the issue then? :P i don't understand[22:17:38] <BugzBunny> I am fucking the quirks of the motherboard[22:17:52] <BugzBunny> There is issues I don't like but I am trying to understand[22:18:07] <NanoSector> this is why I like Gigabyte motherboards[22:18:17] <BugzBunny> One issue that really pissed me off, the ASUS Intell... blah blah blah[22:18:24] <BugzBunny> Fuck Gigabyte[22:18:30] <NanoSector> GB doesn't include fancy features on their boards[22:18:35] <BugzBunny> I won't purchase there MOBO[22:18:42] <Kalis> Hm, if I try to install amdgpu-pro, it conflicts with... mhwd. :/[22:18:45] <BugzBunny> I see[22:18:51] <NanoSector> Kalis, mhwd probably wants mesa[22:18:59] <BugzBunny> Kalis, You shouldn't isntall amdgpu-pro[22:19:03] <BugzBunny> Right now[22:19:08] <NanoSector> you can but not recommended[22:19:10] <BugzBunny> The AUR version is broken[22:19:43] <BugzBunny> Secondly, the amdgpu-pro is broken as far as Xorg 1.19[22:19:56] <NanoSector> i think they fixed that[22:20:06] <BugzBunny> On AUR?[22:20:17] <NanoSector> not on aur but in their code[22:20:35] <BugzBunny> Okay, right now, it's in Limbo[22:20:50] <BugzBunny> But RX doesn't have HDMI Audio[22:20:58] <NanoSector> iirc that's in the DAL code proposed[22:21:04] <NanoSector> amdgpu-pro is just the userspace component[22:21:05] <BugzBunny> Yes[22:21:17] <NanoSector> amdgpu-pro doesn't handle audio[22:22:45] <BugzBunny> Where, from what I understood, you need to compile a separate driver to get a full HDMI AUDIO. The Mailing List that I read, It's not truly AMDGPU kernel driver and AMDGPU Userspace yet[22:23:04] <Yoda_> sorry for the bother[22:23:05] *** christiankarlsso <christiankarlsso!~christian@96.44.144.42> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[22:23:09] <Yoda_> but[22:23:20] <Yoda_> pacman -S lib32-freetype2-infinality-ultimate -> lib32-freetype2[22:23:27] <Yoda_> is this the way to replace[22:23:34] <BugzBunny> You updating[22:23:37] <NanoSector> Yoda_, please don't use infinality[22:23:43] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@179.217.27.247> has joined #manjaro[22:23:45] <Yoda_> Im trying to remove it[22:23:51] <rhg135> Yes[22:23:53] <NanoSector> Yoda_, sudo pacman -S freetype2 lib32-freetype2 fontconfig lib32-fontconfig[22:23:54] <Yoda_> I followed the suggestion from that site[22:23:57] <rhg135> That's how[22:24:05] <NanoSector> but yes, replace it[22:24:11] <rhg135> Rip[22:24:41] <NanoSector> rip?[22:24:52] <Yoda_> huh didnt work lol[22:24:53] <BugzBunny> See[22:24:56] *** manjaroDeepin <manjaroDeepin!~Manjaro-D@77.246.55.128> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:25:15] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, I am going to watercool the CPU[22:25:21] <Yoda_> says dooesnt exist[22:25:29] <NanoSector> Yoda_, what doesn't?[22:25:29] <BugzBunny> But I won't keep the same mother board[22:25:57] <Yoda_> arning: database file for 'infinality-bundle' does not exist[22:25:57] <Yoda_> :: Some packages should be upgraded first...[22:25:57] <Yoda_> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not find database)[22:26:14] <BugzBunny> Yoda_, Thank you[22:26:19] <NanoSector> Yoda_, remove the entry in /etc/pacman.conf[22:26:23] *** manjaro-jwm is now known as holmeslinux[22:26:32] <Yoda_> ok[22:26:42] <Yoda_> sorry Bugz[22:26:42] *** holmeslinux <holmeslinux!~manjaro-j@179.217.27.247> has quit IRC (Changing host)[22:26:42] *** holmeslinux <holmeslinux!~manjaro-j@unaffiliated/holmeslinux> has joined #manjaro[22:26:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v holmeslinux[22:26:52] *** BugzBunny is now known as NanoSectorBoss[22:27:45] <rhg135> I'll miss infinality[22:29:03] <NanoSector> NanoSectorBoss, why[22:29:26] *** crazyfox <crazyfox!~redrover@24-212-180-23.cable.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:29:32] *** Dearu <Dearu!~Thunderbi@46.198.237.103> has quit IRC (Quit: Dearu)[22:30:11] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3312.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[22:30:58] <NanoSectorBoss> I going to the store[22:31:00] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:31:04] <NanoSectorBoss> You the boss![22:31:13] <NanoSector> can you change your nick back though?[22:31:28] <NanoSectorBoss> Fine[22:31:31] <NanoSectorBoss> Not[22:31:36] <NanoSectorBoss> muahahaha[22:31:42] *** NanoSectorBoss is now known as BugzBunny[22:31:46] <NanoSector> thanks[22:31:59] <BugzBunny> Trust me, I wouldn't[22:32:05] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAAAB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:32:06] <BugzBunny> But I said, meh[22:32:18] <BugzBunny> I don't want to piss off the boss xD[22:33:07] <Yoda_> cant even save the mutha[22:33:08] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:35:29] *** EQLucky <EQLucky!~eqlucky@86.red-88-5-211.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:35:42] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[22:36:30] *** tmsbrdrs_ <tmsbrdrs_!~tmsbrdrs@24-241-31-30.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[22:41:42] <Yoda_> not able to remove the entry with in pacman config[22:41:49] <Yoda_> cause cant save[22:41:55] <Yoda_> gives me some stupid message[22:42:03] <NanoSector> Yoda_, use sudo nano /etc/pacman.conf[22:42:11] <NanoSector> or even better EDITOR=nano sudoedit /etc/pacman.conf[22:42:42] <Yoda_> Ill try[22:43:21] *** stefano-manjone <stefano-manjone!022cebb1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.2.44.235.177> has joined #manjaro[22:43:35] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@141.84.69.85> has joined #manjaro[22:43:52] *** snoogie_ <snoogie_!~snoogie@c-73-95-129-95.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[22:43:58] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[22:44:15] *** snoogie_ <snoogie_!~snoogie@c-73-95-129-95.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:44:16] <omarramo> hello, I want to make my manjaro partition smaller but it is the partition that I am booting from so it is greyed out in gparted[22:44:27] <rhg135> Some of us don't use the bash included[22:44:30] <Yoda_> save would be command x[22:44:36] <Yoda_> or is that exit[22:44:42] <omarramo> how can I do this? without a usb stick if that's possible[22:44:45] *** snoogie_ <snoogie_!~snoogie@c-73-95-129-95.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[22:44:59] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[22:45:16] <NanoSector> omarramo, hey there's not really a clean way to shrink a live partition; you should use a live usb or cd for this[22:45:25] <rhg135> It isn't iirc[22:45:51] <omarramo> NanoSector: ok, what program do I use for that?[22:46:04] <NanoSector> omarramo, gparted if you want it done graphically[22:46:07] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@195.142.136.17> has joined #manjaro[22:46:16] <NanoSector> omarramo, gparted also has a specialized live CD/USB which is pretty small[22:46:19] <NanoSector> think it's like 100 MB[22:46:22] <omarramo> oh okay nice[22:47:00] <omarramo> can I make this bootable on a second partition on my usb stick? because I dont want to format the whole thing, my iso is on there too[22:47:14] <NanoSector> hmm[22:47:18] <rhg135> Yeah[22:47:29] <rhg135> Just forget how[22:47:54] <NanoSector> http://multibootusb.org/[22:47:55] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/GivQmF] MultiBootUSB[22:48:15] <Yoda_> terminal is not firing up now[22:48:17] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3312.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[22:48:20] <Yoda_> doing a reboot[22:48:25] <NanoSector> :)[22:48:29] <omarramo> ok thank you NanoSector![22:48:33] *** Yoda_ <Yoda_!~Yoda@ip70-173-171-101.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:49:04] *** stefano-manjone <stefano-manjone!022cebb1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.2.44.235.177> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[22:49:22] *** snoogie_ <snoogie_!~snoogie@c-73-95-129-95.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:50:38] *** infinital <infinital!uid144856@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdkwtjeqpudqnrqf> has quit IRC ()[22:52:08] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@185.118.249.57> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:53:00] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@151-249-218-197.n10.iptv.by> has joined #manjaro[22:53:22] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@151-249-218-197.n10.iptv.by> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:54:22] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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[AMD/ATI] RD9x0/RX980 Host Bridge • Uptime: 2m 48s[23:14:52] *** Kalis <Kalis!~Kalis@140-186-48-183-dynamic.midco.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitting)[23:14:52] <BugzBunny> I like how I have to log in twice[23:15:03] <BugzBunny> Because the first time, LightDM sigfaults[23:15:03] <NanoSector> ?[23:15:04] <BugzBunny> xD[23:15:10] <NanoSector> oh, i always replace lightdm[23:15:27] <badbodh> i love lightdm[23:15:34] <BugzBunny> Yeah, me too[23:15:46] <BugzBunny> Segfault the first time[23:15:57] <BugzBunny> I haven't investigate to figure out why[23:16:04] <m4sk1n> LightDM <3[23:16:04] <BugzBunny> now[23:16:12] <badbodh> odd. troubleshoot it[23:16:21] <NanoSector> might be that the greeter that's set is broken or doesn't exist[23:16:27] <NanoSector> i think lightdm falls back to the gtk greeter[23:16:42] <m4sk1n> Best thing what can happen on running Linux, even kernel panic isn't that epic.[23:16:43] <badbodh> do you know how to increase log output by editing systemd unit file?[23:16:50] <m4sk1n> *that[23:17:01] <NanoSector> badbodh, what do you mean?[23:17:10] <badbodh> unless it's set to verbose systemd log won't say shit[23:17:43] <NanoSector> badbodh, systemctl status [unit] gives you a small log, you can increate the amount of lines with the --lines=## parameter[23:17:53] <BugzBunny> Right[23:18:11] <NanoSector> journalctl -u [unit] -xe is another one to check[23:18:34] <NanoSector> shows you all output from that unit[23:18:38] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@195.142.136.17> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:19:35] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, You are systemD fan[23:19:45] * BugzBunny need to install spotify[23:20:03] <NanoSector> i like systemd[23:20:05] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-186-75.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:20:41] <BugzBunny> I know Polictically it doesn't matter[23:20:55] <NanoSector> i just like the tools it provides[23:20:57] <BugzBunny> But I Independent.. SystemD make some things easy[23:21:01] <BugzBunny> But something[23:21:02] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~prajna@ip70-173-171-101.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[23:21:09] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> back[23:21:10] <BugzBunny> Meh... Spits[23:21:16] <NanoSector> wb Manj-1611-Lxqt[23:21:16] <badbodh> NanoSector, not that. i remember from some distant memory,you can modify unit file to show more verbose output[23:21:22] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> I had to reinstall the system[23:21:22] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> ty[23:21:25] *** kritikk <kritikk!~stefan@92.55.92.56> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[23:21:25] <badbodh> can't find it :([23:21:30] <NanoSector> badbodh, depends on the program i think[23:21:30] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> system went bonkers[23:21:36] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> didnt allow me to boot[23:21:45] <NanoSector> badbodh, some programs allow -v flags to be more v erbose[23:21:53] *** kritikk <kritikk!~stefan@92.55.92.213> has joined #manjaro[23:22:01] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> did all that was suggested[23:22:04] <NanoSector> Manj-1611-Lxqt, what issue were you having?[23:22:12] <NanoSector> think i joined later[23:22:15] <badbodh> this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Diagnosing_problems_with_a_specific_service[23:22:16] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ZeES27] systemd - ArchWiki[23:22:33] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> ok[23:22:33] <badbodh> debug <---- BugzBunny ^[23:22:34] <NanoSector> badbodh, ahhh that, yeah that's neat[23:23:00] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> issues[23:23:05] <BugzBunny> badbodh, Well, I mean, I can't fucking hate because there is log when the kernel boots[23:23:06] <BugzBunny> etc[23:23:06] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> with infinity[23:23:15] <BugzBunny> So SystemD has value in that[23:23:19] <NanoSector> Manj-1611-Lxqt, ohh right, you were trying to remove infinality[23:23:19] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> I used nano[23:23:24] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> to change the pacman config[23:23:29] <NanoSector> :)[23:23:29] <BugzBunny> It does make it easier to debug[23:23:30] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> after the system froze[23:23:36] <badbodh> BugzBunny, that's just a temporary measure to figure out why there's a segfault[23:23:40] <BugzBunny> But SystemD DE is next[23:23:42] <badbodh> *hopefully[23:23:43] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> so I had to push the off button[23:23:49] <NanoSector> Manj-1611-Lxqt, hmm, okay. can you try it again? Just comment out the lines by adding a # in front of them[23:24:00] <BugzBunny> badbodh, Whatcha mean, hole, compiling[23:24:03] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> I did[23:24:03] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> after it didnt boot lol[23:24:04] *** Combined2857 <Combined2857!~Combined2@unaffiliated/combined2857> has joined #manjaro[23:24:23] <BugzBunny> ==> Continue installing spotify ? [Y/n][23:24:23] <BugzBunny> ==> [v]iew package contents [c]heck package with namcap[23:24:23] <BugzBunny> ==> ---------------------------------------------------[23:24:23] <BugzBunny> ==> y[23:24:24] <NanoSector> Manj-1611-Lxqt, did you remove the packages already?[23:24:28] <badbodh> nah, just edit the unit file of lightdm. You will get extra log ^ check the link[23:24:31] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> yes[23:24:37] <NanoSector> Manj-1611-Lxqt, okay, are you chrooted currently?[23:24:38] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> and the entry[23:24:44] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> in pacman config[23:25:07] <BugzBunny> Let get my usnername and password from lastpass[23:25:08] *** christiankarlsso <christiankarlsso!~christian@h234n2-hlb2-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com> has joined #manjaro[23:25:20] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> sorry Im still new to all this[23:25:26] <BugzBunny> K[23:25:30] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, i moved from lastpass to enpass. much nicer imo, just the browser extension is a bit lacking and unpolished[23:25:38] *** CupOfCoffee <CupOfCoffee!~CupOfCoff@unaffiliated/cupofcoffee> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:25:49] <BugzBunny> Really[23:25:50] <BugzBunny> k[23:26:04] <BugzBunny> Manj-1611-Lxqt, Welcome to Manjaro[23:26:04] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, lets you choose where to store your data, too[23:26:05] <NanoSector> anyway[23:26:20] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, I will keep that in mind[23:26:26] <BugzBunny> But I want it in cloud[23:26:35] <BugzBunny> But thanks for the suggestion[23:26:42] <NanoSector> Manj-1611-Lxqt, okay, you'll want to chroot first. https://www.nanosector.nl/posts/antergos-fixing-the-bumble-and-the-bees[23:26:50] <NanoSector> Manj-1611-Lxqt, just follow Step 1 there[23:27:01] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, I have it synced with my google drive[23:27:05] <NanoSector> it supports a few cloud services[23:27:39] *** christiankarlsso <christiankarlsso!~christian@h234n2-hlb2-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:28:01] <NanoSector> Dropbox, GDrive, OneDrive, local folder or WebDav[23:28:11] *** wifi32 <wifi32!~wifi533@b2b-94-79-176-166.unitymedia.biz> has joined #manjaro[23:28:31] *** tefter <tefter!~bmaxa@c-bg-d-p1-76.bvcom.net> has joined #manjaro[23:28:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tefter[23:28:57] <BugzBunny> LOL[23:29:18] <BugzBunny> Keeping that file synced is too combersome[23:29:22] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~prajna@ip70-173-171-101.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:29:22] *** iranen <iranen!~ira-solus@n8m3d72i1eib2gydf-2.v6.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #manjaro[23:29:29] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, how so? it automatically syncs[23:30:27] *** ringo <ringo!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[23:30:29] <NanoSector> but i'm not saying you should use it, use what you like[23:31:05] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~prajna@ip70-173-171-101.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[23:31:05] <BugzBunny> What I mean, I don't have to worry about it[23:31:18] <wifi32> spend the whole day trying to put manjaro on. repartitioning, making different usb flash installers, wiping my hard drive with /dev/zero. Somehow I am still welcommed by some characters saying 'ubuntu' in the boot menu (but by now this doesnt boot of course). But also no manjaro installation was successful[23:31:20] <BugzBunny> When add password, it get's sync automatically[23:31:26] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, yup, same with enpass[23:31:32] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> incredible[23:31:44] <NanoSector> wifi32, hey, are you on UEFI?[23:31:46] <BugzBunny> I'll look it into it[23:31:51] <BugzBunny> I jamming to music[23:31:54] <BugzBunny> THe bass[23:31:55] <wifi32> im on bios[23:31:59] <NanoSector> hmm[23:32:11] <BugzBunny> Spotify works out of the box[23:32:13] <NanoSector> wifi32, maybe GRUB fails to install, so it never gets to overwrite the old Ubuntu GRUB[23:32:20] <BugzBunny> I thought I would have a problem that I need to fix[23:32:21] <NanoSector> Manj-1611-Lxqt, did it work?[23:32:32] <BugzBunny> But Spotify from AUR installed with no problem[23:32:36] <NanoSector> BugzBunny, spotify doesn't have as many issues as it did have[23:32:59] <BugzBunny> NanoSector, I had spotify before, I was just since it's been awhile[23:33:01] <NanoSector> wifi32, you can manually install grub[23:33:10] *** eloaders <eloaders!~eloaders@eiv1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[23:33:16] <NanoSector> wifi32, https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Restore_the_GRUB_Bootloader[23:33:17] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/6lIg49] Restore the GRUB Bootloader - Manjaro Linux[23:34:16] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Quit: badbodh)[23:34:58] <NanoSector> anyway i'm heading off to bed, cyall[23:36:26] <BugzBunny> k boss[23:36:40] <BugzBunny> I am jaming to music while you have sweat dreams[23:36:52] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@dvx254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:36:55] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~prajna@ip70-173-171-101.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:37:05] <wifi32> when trying to install grup manually it says error: GPGME error: No data. It cant run 'pacman -S mtools os-prober'[23:37:24] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has joined #manjaro[23:38:07] *** nicklas_ <nicklas_!~nicklas@c83-255-8-81.bredband.comhem.se> has joined #manjaro[23:38:36] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~prajna@ip70-173-171-101.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[23:39:13] * Manj-1611-Lxqt takes laptop to furnace and tosses it inside[23:39:40] <BugzBunny> wifi32, You mean Grub[23:39:53] <BugzBunny> ?[23:40:48] <wifi32> i mean grub[23:41:09] <BugzBunny> wifi32, So I could understood, it's why I asked to make sure[23:41:59] <BugzBunny> That error, I don't understand, but when you say you can't run "'pacman -S mtools os-prober'"? First of os-proberis not a package[23:42:11] <BugzBunny> First of all*[23:43:33] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> persmissiond denied[23:45:02] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> ok done[23:45:06] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> lets try this again[23:46:15] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> come on Manjaro work with me bro[23:47:47] <wifi32> anyway, gotta run, thanks for the help bye![23:47:52] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> bye[23:47:56] <Manj-1611-Lxqt> take good care :D[23:48:06] *** wifi32 <wifi32!~wifi533@b2b-94-79-176-166.unitymedia.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:51:37] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@net-93-67-188-10.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #manjaro[23:51:49] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@141.84.69.85> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:52:45] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@net-93-67-188-10.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:55:36] *** christiankarlsso <christiankarlsso!~christian@h234n2-hlb2-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com> has joined #manjaro[23:56:32] *** christiankarlsso <christiankarlsso!~christian@h234n2-hlb2-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:57:27] *** omarramo <omarramo!~omar@141.84.69.85> has joined #manjaro[23:58:04] *** kw21 <kw21!~kw21@D978E830.cm-3-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:58:17] <nicklas_> wazzup