January 20, 2017 
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Can anyone help?[00:30:33] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@p200300C24BC5AA12F8EA708985F45DB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[00:34:13] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E29B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:35:38] *** Manja <Manja!~Manja@p5DDDD03A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:37:32] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E29B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[00:38:14] *** tmsbrdrs_ <tmsbrdrs_!~tmsbrdrs@24-241-31-30.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[00:42:33] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@p2003005DAF6E1E548D9C1AD9A8F1DDE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:43:06] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ydxjowuqlsthaplc> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[00:44:45] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@cpc82551-sund13-2-0-cust995.11-1.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[00:45:42] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@cpc82551-sund13-2-0-cust995.11-1.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:47:24] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[00:47:59] *** mystified <mystified!~mystif@110-174-9-2.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[00:48:30] *** Thorax <Thorax!~Thorax@94.197.121.92.threembb.co.uk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:48:36] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[00:48:51] <dodgejcr> mallowmow: nightly what? and what is the error?[00:49:18] *** manjaro-web|8789 <manjaro-web|8789!64028633@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.100.2.134.51> has joined #manjaro[00:49:26] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E29B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:49:53] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[00:49:58] *** ira_ <ira_!~iranen@85-76-14-55-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:51:25] <nicklas_> you dont mean a nightly package?[00:51:56] <nicklas_> what does he mean? hes still here[00:52:22] <dodgejcr> dont know, thats what im trying to figure out. Many things have nightlies[00:52:34] <dodgejcr> but now I have to go to the store. Back in 20 or so[00:52:56] <nicklas_> good luck[00:54:05] *** bennypr0fane <bennypr0fane!~manjaro-k@078132099005.public.t-mobile.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:54:06] *** chomwitt4 <chomwitt4!~chomwitt@athedsl-352207.home.otenet.gr> has joined #manjaro[00:54:49] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:56:15] *** manjaro-web|8789 <manjaro-web|8789!64028633@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.100.2.134.51> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[00:56:24] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.161.43> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:56:29] *** chomwitt3 <chomwitt3!~chomwitt@ppp-94-67-221-204.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:02:56] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has joined #manjaro[01:03:08] *** lambda-11235 <lambda-11235!~lambda-11@99.196.63.35> has joined #manjaro[01:03:13] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:03:32] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[01:03:56] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:04:14] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-llnyfhadmzxtfhpu> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[01:04:30] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[01:06:00] <mallowmow> dodgejcr: firefox[01:06:46] *** mallowmow <mallowmow!~mallowmow@unaffiliated/mallowmow> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:06:49] <nicklas_> mallowmow: why do you want nightly build of firefox? and where are you trying to install it from, and how?[01:06:51] <nicklas_> he left[01:07:52] *** AHD42 <AHD42!~ahd@unaffiliated/ahd42> has joined #manjaro[01:07:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v AHD42[01:08:25] *** AHD42 <AHD42!~ahd@unaffiliated/ahd42> has left #manjaro[01:11:16] *** nuuuciano_ <nuuuciano_!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has joined #manjaro[01:11:44] *** jwkicklighter <jwkicklighter!~lnx@71-47-35-36.res.bhn.net> has joined #manjaro[01:12:16] <jwkicklighter> Hey all, having an NFS issue here. I have virtualbox, vagrant, and nfs-utils installed, with the proper services running (according to the wiki). But the Vagrant box is never able to see the NFS share. I also can't mount the NFS share from my host OS either.[01:13:48] *** ahd42 <ahd42!~ahd@unaffiliated/ahd42> has joined #manjaro[01:13:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v ahd42[01:14:04] <ahd42> evening[01:14:38] <ahd42> what's the cli installer called? i'm trying to install it it on a flash drive. but the gui installer doesn'T show that :P[01:15:13] <roch_> thusk[01:15:24] <ahd42> thanks[01:15:33] <dodgejcr> thusk?[01:15:45] <roch_> *yhus :))[01:15:54] <roch_> *****thus[01:16:19] <dodgejcr> I thought they scrapped the cli installer for calamares that ws supposed to get a CLI installer built in[01:16:35] <ahd42> yea, looks like it. at least i can't find it..[01:16:55] <dodgejcr> not sure calamares cli parts have been implememted yet :/[01:16:59] <ahd42> arch it is thn...[01:17:08] <dodgejcr> I dont ever install in traditional methods lol I dont know[01:17:29] <dodgejcr> ahd42: I have a rootfs of base/base-devel if you want to install like a pacstrap[01:17:41] *** peetaur is now known as Guest68082[01:17:42] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAAF10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[01:18:01] <roch_> ahd42, https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=UEFI_-_Install_Guide#CLI_installer[01:18:02] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/55zymn] UEFI - Install Guide - Manjaro Linux[01:18:05] <ahd42> hmm. nah. i'm taking arch. it's gonna be some kind of headless machine anyway[01:18:13] <dodgejcr> fair enough[01:18:31] *** Esclapion <Esclapion!~pat@bie91-1-82-227-35-96.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[01:18:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Esclapion[01:18:36] <roch_> apparently pure CLI is called just setup[01:18:50] *** Esclapion <Esclapion!~pat@bie91-1-82-227-35-96.fbx.proxad.net> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[01:19:03] <dodgejcr> pretty sure thats the one that got scrapped[01:19:03] <ahd42> roch_ already been there. no such setup thing either[01:19:11] <hedgie> okay, when I tried newer kernels, sound and networking aren't working, should I just download the packages for the drivers, boot into those kernels and reinstall from local files?[01:19:30] <ahd42> roch_ already been there. no such setup thing either[01:19:43] <dodgejcr> hedgie: downgrade your kernel would probably the the easiest way[01:19:48] <ahd42> hedgie no. downgrade it yea[01:19:57] <hedgie> I have[01:20:13] <ahd42> you need to elaborate then[01:20:21] <dodgejcr> yup, Im lost as well[01:21:01] <hedgie> it's working on the older kernel, just not the newer ones. hence typing from a downgraded machine[01:21:04] <ahd42> you won't get any linux driver from hardware manufacturers anyway.[01:21:05] *** Guest68082 <Guest68082!~peter@p57AAAF1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:21:11] <NolanSyKinsley> is there any easy way to get the latest nvidia drivers installed? Currently on 375 and 378 has some features I would like to test[01:21:13] <ahd42> it's all included as kernel mods[01:21:21] <hedgie> ok[01:21:25] <ahd42> pacman -S nvidia?[01:21:38] <hedgie> the nvidia drivers worked fine[01:21:40] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:21:56] * hedgie is new to manjaro[01:22:14] <ahd42> 375.26-3 that's the version arck-ck currently is at[01:22:26] <hedgie> that's the version I'm running[01:22:30] *** Isaac <Isaac!~vcore@windows-denmark.cryptostorm.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:23:04] <ahd42> hedgie which kernel version are you using atm?[01:23:16] <ahd42> and what exactly are the devices that aren't working[01:23:37] <ahd42> hedgie don't worry. you made a step in the right direction :D[01:24:24] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:24:32] *** zproc_ is now known as zproc[01:24:38] <ahd42> you can grab the kernel version with 'uname -a'[01:24:53] <hedgie> 4.1.37, and the devices involved are realtec rtl8111/8168/8411 ethernet controller, and a soundblaster recon3d z-series[01:25:19] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[01:25:49] <ahd42> hedgie gimme sec to kick google in its butt[01:27:06] *** Ranothil <Ranothil!63106b04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.16.107.4> has joined #manjaro[01:27:31] <ahd42> hedgie you can fire up a terminal and pastebin the output of dmesg[01:27:56] <Ranothil> is there a way for me to post a picture in this chat[01:28:24] <ahd42> the nic shouldn't be a big problem. no idea with the soubdblaster. i'm still stuck with an audidy2 - which works like a charm[01:29:00] <ahd42> Ranothil[01:29:16] <Ranothil> yes ahd42[01:29:18] <hedgie> not too worried about sound. I can plug the speakers in the onboard sound if I have to[01:29:19] <ahd42> Ranothil you can post a link to a picture.. it it's not that offftopci[01:29:44] <ahd42> sorry. hit the enter key the wrong way around[01:29:56] <jwkicklighter> Reasking because some people have joined and left: having an NFS issue here. I have virtualbox, vagrant, and nfs-utils installed, with the proper services running (according to the Arch wiki). But the Vagrant box is never able to see the NFS share. I also can't mount the NFS share from my host OS either.[01:29:59] <hedgie> http://pastebin.com/HrgH53UP[01:30:00] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/V9lG5q] 0.453365] pci_bus 0000:00: resource 5 [io 0x03e0-0x0cf7 window] [ 0.45336 - Pastebin.com[01:34:31] <ahd42> doesn't look that bad: [ 29.883768] r8168: enp5s0: link up[01:34:44] <ahd42> does it get an ip address? 'ip a'[01:34:52] <Ranothil> ok so I'm new to manjaro and after doing a system update menus are not displaying correctly on most applications; they look like this; also form fields are affected and because they don't have borders they are invisible which makes things impossible[01:35:08] <Ranothil> I will provide links to two illustrations to see the look of the menus[01:35:29] <Ranothil> http://i.imgur.com/6uM0vqq.png[01:35:30] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/4YCXH0] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[01:35:53] <ahd42> Ranothil that looks like a faults gtk3 theme[01:36:43] <Ranothil> so what would you recommend[01:37:13] <Ranothil> i tried to remove gtk3 but of course its needed by a list of 25 programs[01:37:18] <ahd42> well. ditch it. if you wanna reset. use the breeze or manjaro themes[01:37:24] <hedgie> inet 192.168.1.87/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global dynamic enp5s0[01:37:31] <ahd42> from there you can modify it as you like[01:37:49] <Ranothil> so is there a magical terminal command[01:37:50] <ahd42> hedgie hmm. if that is your local net, then it should work[01:37:52] *** jwkicklighter <jwkicklighter!~lnx@71-47-35-36.res.bhn.net> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:38:14] <hedgie> working now with the lower kernel, yes[01:38:16] <nicklas_> anyone using testing or even unstable here?[01:38:24] <ahd42> pacman -Rpacman -R gtk3 :D[01:38:37] <ahd42> oops one pacman too much[01:38:46] <Ranothil> ok so does that remove it[01:39:18] <ahd42> nicklas_ arch here, i just got lost...[01:39:31] <ahd42> what ya wanna know?[01:39:33] <Ranothil> yea it won't let me remove it bc of dependencies[01:39:48] <ahd42> Ranothil which de are you using? kdeß;2~?[01:39:49] <ahd42> ?[01:39:52] <Ranothil> is there a way to force it or perhaps downgrade it to a year ago old version that was working[01:39:55] <Ranothil> fluxbox editoin[01:40:13] <Ranothil> so i did a years of updates on a year old image[01:40:35] <ahd42> Ranothil: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications[01:40:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/M3gRID] Uniform look for Qt and GTK applications - ArchWiki[01:40:56] <Ranothil> ok that botergos is a bot :D[01:40:57] <ahd42> should work in every de. more or less[01:41:00] <ahd42> yep[01:41:13] <ahd42> http://i'm.a.bot[01:41:20] <ahd42> hmm.[01:42:01] <Ranothil> LD[01:42:03] <Ranothil> *:D[01:42:11] <ahd42> btw, don[01:42:23] <ahd42> btw, don't remove gtk3. it breaks stuff[01:42:58] <Ranothil> right well it wouldn't let me[01:43:08] <Ranothil> so i guess that's a good thing[01:43:34] <ahd42> yer[01:44:16] *** johnvan_pc <johnvan_pc!~johnvan@toroon2634w-lp130-01-69-158-22-67.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[01:44:24] <ahd42> this is how you can get it with kde and qt: http://i.imgur.com/wqKu8J2.png[01:44:24] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/cj5sKa] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[01:45:24] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@68.168.114.170> has joined #manjaro[01:46:18] <ahd42> can the one with the link to the bootstrap wiki please link it again? somehow i can't scroll up[01:47:49] <roch_> what U need ? :>[01:48:06] <Ranothil> ok i changed the theme to another one and it worked thx ahd42[01:48:17] <ahd42> i'm trying to install manjaro on a usb drive. but it doesn't show in the installer[01:48:26] <ahd42> and the cli installer is somehow gone[01:48:34] <ahd42> Ranothil np[01:48:46] <Ranothil> you could use dd from your hard disk install to copy the iso[01:49:15] <ahd42> Ranothil this shit was driving me crazy for a month. until i finally found that qt stuff. too bad it doesn'T come with a gtk3 emulation[01:49:33] <ahd42> Ranothil, yea. but that more effort than to install arch by hand[01:50:03] <Ranothil> yea as soon as I saw what happened with the menus I knew it had to be fixed :D[01:50:26] <Ranothil> well dd is just one command[01:50:37] *** nichola__ <nichola__!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:50:53] <ahd42> yea, i don't like it. at least not gtk3. its sluggish over ssh connection[01:51:21] <roch_> https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Installation_Guide_for_the_NET_Edition_0.8.10[01:51:21] <ahd42> actually. i can just copy arch to the stick on my desktop.. even easier[01:51:23] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ZB6v8d] Installation Guide for the NET Edition 0.8.10 - Manjaro Linux[01:51:33] <roch_> ahd42, they insist its 'setup'[01:51:44] <ahd42> yea. did you find it?[01:51:55] <ahd42> maybe it's only in the net edition[01:51:58] *** Ranothil <Ranothil!63106b04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.16.107.4> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[01:51:58] <roch_> I never did that, I am user from a month[01:52:24] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p57AAAF10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:52:25] <ahd42> ya like it?[01:52:59] <roch_> manjaro-cli-installer[01:53:15] <ahd42> roch_ ya like manjaro? or linux in general? or did you come from another distro?[01:53:15] <roch_> https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-cli-installer this one is in extra/[01:53:18] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/24EYmr] GitHub - manjaro/manjaro-cli-installer: Manjaro Linux command line installer (depreciated)[01:53:26] <ahd42> oh man. thanks[01:53:50] <ahd42> lol. never thought of that. who puts an installer on a remote repo only?[01:54:39] <roch_> I came from ubuntu ;) been penguin agnostic for 7 years, I am back with manjaro ;)[01:55:20] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@183.157.160.54> has joined #manjaro[01:57:35] <roch_> but I always had and used the swiss army knife of puppy linux, from time to time ;)[01:58:17] *** eNTi <eNTi!~eNTi@80-121-71-8.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:58:25] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-084-063-126-013.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[01:59:29] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@183.157.160.54> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:00:27] <ahd42> hehe, 10 years for me. i started with suse, had a short encounter with ubuntu and landed in arch 2 years ago[02:01:50] <roch_> touch down like a cat ![02:02:35] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has joined #manjaro[02:03:04] *** eloaders <eloaders!~eloaders@eeg51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[02:03:14] *** eloaders <eloaders!~eloaders@eeg51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:03:33] <manjaro-kde5> Just whipped out Manjaro for the first time, loving it any suggestions/features that are unique.[02:04:08] <rhg135> mhwd[02:04:18] <ahd42> manjaro-kde5 make the arch wiki your home page and you're good. oh yes, mhwd...[02:04:45] <rhg135> makes switching gpu drivers much easier[02:05:18] <roch_> manjaro-kde5, bookmark this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications[02:05:20] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/4AiTfJ] List of applications - ArchWiki[02:06:03] <hedgie> I used the arch documentation on other distros. usually the best written[02:06:23] <ahd42> yep. that's how i found about about it... took me a while to install it though[02:07:28] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[02:07:31] <ahd42> but after a few installations it's actually real fun[02:07:44] <ahd42> once you know what you're doing[02:08:04] <roch_> I had fun once, very traumatising experience.[02:08:15] <ahd42> hehe[02:08:29] <hedgie> since I only have 2 physical machines, I like the nice and lazy sinstall of manjaro. I'll fsck around with vanilla arch in a vm if I really want to[02:09:19] <ahd42> i converted a few ppl with it. the looks and the easyness you can have[02:11:12] <roch_> I like to do crazy stuff http://i.imgur.com/aShDm1L.png[02:11:13] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/HRe7L0] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)[02:11:59] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:12:12] <roch_> this XP in a VM is insalling win10 on a real laptop, fought whole yeasterday with it ;)[02:12:38] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has joined #manjaro[02:13:40] <ahd42> i'm fighting for hours with a vps where the damn ssh connections get stuck just after authenticating..[02:13:54] <ahd42> i wiped the thing. tried other versions[02:14:16] <ahd42> the exact same config is runnong on other machines fine[02:15:35] *** Oachkatzl <Oachkatzl!~Oachkatzl@93-82-153-189.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[02:15:35] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!uid206209@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btabimaymjvuifol> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[02:16:35] <ahd42> debug1: Entering interactive session.[02:17:08] <ahd42> that's the last thig the client says. i switched shells. tried new users *sigh[02:17:50] <roch_> reverser shell maybe ?[02:18:03] <roch_> maybe firewall problem heh[02:18:30] <roch_> I never did vps, I am small stuff amateur[02:18:48] <ahd42> nah. i won't start debugging the fiewwall now[02:19:51] <roch_> ufw allow ssh[02:19:52] <roch_> hehe[02:20:18] *** Snake1131 <Snake1131!~MakerBlak@d24-204-245-71.home4.cgocable.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:20:43] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-44c16b78.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[02:20:55] <ahd42> yea. it's not flexible enough for a real router. i use it for desktops though[02:21:28] <LyriCa> hey how is everybody's experience using crossfire under linux with the free drivers?[02:21:34] *** manjaro-web|6435 <manjaro-web|6435!49c127c4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.193.39.196> has joined #manjaro[02:21:45] <ahd42> nul. nvidia victim since 2010[02:22:51] *** V1G_LD-1Nkcc <V1G_LD-1Nkcc!~V1G_LD-1N@ip68-3-220-102.ph.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Client terminated.)[02:23:02] *** V1G_LD-1Nkcc <V1G_LD-1Nkcc!~V1G_LD-1N@ip68-3-220-102.ph.ph.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[02:23:03] <ahd42> hey. you thing it might be worth using some kind of compressed filesystem on an usb stick?[02:23:40] <LyriCa> it makes sense[02:23:54] <ahd42> the cpu is actually fast enough to handle that load without impact[02:24:01] <LyriCa> usb is not mechanical so i dont think the speed would be bad, unless its a 2.0 usb drive[02:24:18] <manjaro-web|6435> may i ask a question re: installation?[02:24:26] <roch_> I can only tell from android side, delayed write and light zram compressor of sorts, less to write to swap[02:24:41] <LyriCa> go ahead ask teh question[02:24:43] <ahd42> nop. 3..[02:25:12] <LyriCa> +and42 then go ahead i dont see why u shouldnt[02:25:14] <ahd42> yea. it's got enough ram too. about 10gb[02:25:28] <ahd42> yes, so. does this zsh run on a single disk?[02:25:40] <LyriCa> im not sure[02:26:03] <LyriCa> u interested on teh snapshotting? i think tll be a good move to use snapshotting[02:26:13] <manjaro-web|6435> am in the live usb session and want to install but have no installation icon (or any other icon) on the desktop. How to proceed? (KDE 2016 version)[02:26:17] <ahd42> nah. i don't wanna play with that kind of hooks you need to run it on a boot drive[02:26:45] <LyriCa> ahh kk[02:27:11] <ahd42> you normally get a big slpash screen where you can start the installation[02:27:17] <LyriCa> manjaro-web|6435 try searching for install opn the kde menu[02:27:30] <ahd42> is kkde loaded?[02:27:34] <ahd42> yep[02:27:43] <LyriCa> or try issuing a command by typing " calamares "[02:27:54] <LyriCa> its been a while since i installed manjaro lol[02:27:59] <LyriCa> so idk if taht woudl wor[02:28:03] <LyriCa> work*[02:28:36] <manjaro-web|6435> thanks, that did it.[02:28:48] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:29:17] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[02:29:23] *** manjaro-web|6435 <manjaro-web|6435!49c127c4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.193.39.196> has left #manjaro[02:29:24] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~manjaro@202.76.171.1.static.rev.eftel.com> has joined #manjaro[02:29:24] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~manjaro@202.76.171.1.static.rev.eftel.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:31:12] <ahd42> i 'found' a shitload of old 160gb drives in my cellar. wanna see how zsf handles the damages they already got. that's why i'm trying to install it in the first place.[02:32:34] <ahd42> it was about time ssd arrived. that shit sounds like a turbine[02:34:12] <LyriCa> +ahd42 when i bought my ssd last year man i noticed a huge difference in my perf[02:34:36] <LyriCa> pc boots so fast, the only thing that keeps it away is just the boot up sequence before it reaches grub[02:34:44] <ahd42> that too, yea. and the big stuff is on a nas anyway[02:35:03] <roch_> I got 400GB 4-platter mechanical, using it now, sometimes I feel desk vibrating,, and its in a heavy old server chassis ;)[02:35:30] <LyriCa> dman[02:35:32] <LyriCa> mdan[02:35:32] <LyriCa> lol[02:35:34] <LyriCa> dam*[02:35:42] <ahd42> eew[02:39:40] *** roch_ <roch_!~roch@89-75-180-57.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:40:08] *** roch <roch!~roch@89-75-180-57.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #manjaro[02:43:17] <ahd42> lol. in order to install zfs i have to update the whole live system :P[02:43:40] *** Oachkatzl <Oachkatzl!~Oachkatzl@93-82-153-189.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[02:44:52] *** kw21 <kw21!~kw21@D978E830.cm-3-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:48:11] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~OffsetTra@183.157.160.54> has joined #manjaro[02:50:39] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@187.57.228.239> has joined #manjaro[02:50:55] *** nuuuciano <nuuuciano!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has joined #manjaro[02:51:04] <roch> zfs is a flash memory friendly FS ? :)[02:51:50] <LyriCa> im not sure[02:52:05] <LyriCa> why dont u try the ext stuff. how big is teh usb ?[02:52:08] *** stiky <stiky!~stiky@d173-183-64-136.bchsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:52:48] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has joined #manjaro[02:52:48] *** nuuuciano_ <nuuuciano_!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:53:23] <ahd42> well. it's a cheap stick.. wanna end up with a real ssh once i'm sure what i'm gonna do with the machine[02:53:37] <LyriCa> kkHak[02:56:13] <ahd42> but i'm not gonna do the zfs building on a live system. so its btfs[02:56:22] <LyriCa> I trie dbtrfs[02:56:27] <LyriCa> its good[02:57:10] <LyriCa> for snapshotting, the btrfs progs are kinda complicated for me so i use soemthing like snapper to do my snapshotting[02:57:19] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[03:01:29] <hedgie> <3 snapper[03:01:45] <hedgie> saved my arse so many times[03:01:47] <ahd42> sounds good[03:02:46] <LyriCa> indeed[03:02:48] <LyriCa> its awesome[03:02:54] <LyriCa> i have a question[03:02:57] <hedgie> there's also wossname, snappac or something to hook it in to pacman[03:03:13] <LyriCa> does anyone know how to make the desktop icons appear on the right like teh macs? i always liked that[03:03:19] <LyriCa> yeah[03:03:24] <LyriCa> hedgie i used snappac before[03:03:51] <hedgie> now if only it hooked into grub like it does on suse[03:04:02] <ahd42> 'Warning: GRUB strongly discourages installation to a partitionless disk.' lol[03:04:05] <LyriCa> i used a grub hook for snapshots but that messedup my setup cuz i kept booting into a snapshot so whenever i made any changes liek installing programs or deleting or making certain things, they wont save[03:04:13] *** Manj-811-Xfce <Manj-811-Xfce!~manjaro@2804:14c:65d7:8c9d::7> has joined #manjaro[03:04:30] <LyriCa> +ahd42 lol[03:04:39] <d42> LyriCa: it's pretty easy on kde, don't know about other environments ,_,[03:04:50] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:05:01] <hedgie> lyrica, when booting from a snapshot, set it readonly[03:05:33] *** Manj-811-Xfce <Manj-811-Xfce!~manjaro@2804:14c:65d7:8c9d::7> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:05:58] <hedgie> or somehow prevent pacman/yaourt from working until a rollback is done[03:06:50] <ahd42> i have a nas with a zfs array. its got similar features[03:08:18] <LyriCa> d42 aw :( im on cinnamon[03:08:35] <LyriCa> hedgie at teh time i wasnt that knowledgeble on snapshots[03:08:44] <hedgie> aah[03:09:06] <hedgie> yeah, I gave a talk about it for my LUG because we didn't have a speaker and I was used to it[03:09:16] <hedgie> (used the doc from arch, actually)[03:09:28] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@p2003005DAF6E1E548D9C1AD9A8F1DDE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[03:09:51] <ahd42> do you even need snapshots with copyonwrite active?[03:09:51] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[03:10:25] <hedgie> I like them just because I'm too lazy to spend much time troubleshooting if something goes wrong[03:12:41] <ahd42> true. lzo compression for a system drive, yes?[03:13:30] *** LifeIsCode <LifeIsCode!~LifeIsCod@2601:3c3:302:19c9:88e7:7cd6:6914:19b8> has joined #manjaro[03:14:21] *** OffsetTrap <OffsetTrap!~OffsetTra@183.157.160.54> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[03:16:52] <LyriCa> hedgie lol for that reason i went with btrfs but i stopped using it cus it gave me troubles on teh arch instalation, like teh fstab that generates wouldnt even list the drives properly or teh flags wont be set completely[03:17:09] <LyriCa> i made like 5 atempts and still, as soon as i used ext4 everything went flawless[03:17:28] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-084-063-126-013.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:17:33] <LyriCa> +ahd42 I ued lzo compression on my 60gb root drive[03:18:01] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@2607:fea8:7060:21:ce54:a5bf:2fea:ff11> has joined 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Quit)[03:39:12] <LyriCa> wow lOL[03:39:37] <hedgie> if it took that long, I'd have gone back to tumbleweed and fought with the nvidia problem[03:39:43] <LyriCa> oh btw for those of u that rock teh amd free drivers and dont know, there is a program called radeontop which lets u monitor ur GPU[03:40:02] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[03:40:21] <LyriCa> hedgie i heard SuSE handles btrfs very good[03:40:31] <LyriCa> i been meaning to tr it but i just love rollling distros[03:40:59] *** roch <roch!~roch@89-75-180-57.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: gn.)[03:42:38] *** nicklas_ <nicklas_!~nicklas@c83-255-8-81.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:43:02] *** astrofog <astrofog!~astrofog@unaffiliated/astrofog> has quit IRC (Quit: Quite)[03:44:22] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:45:26] <hedgie> yeah, which is why I use the rolling version on my laptop. it just is troublesome with proprietary nvidia drivers[03:45:44] <hedgie> manjaro handles those much better[03:46:47] <LyriCa> yeah[03:47:09] <LyriCa> hey man have u used RT kernels?[03:47:23] *** torei <torei!~torei@c-69-254-10-255.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[03:48:06] <hedgie> no. I lose networking and sound if I move off the LTS ones (I've tried the others)[03:48:41] <LyriCa> oh ok[03:48:49] <LyriCa> im gonna try an RT kernel for my other pc[03:49:26] <LyriCa> i have a small server running motion and i wanna see if teh RT kernel wouldx improve usbcam speeds (FPS_)[03:49:37] <LyriCa> i heard rge RT kernels are for audio uses but what the hell ima see[03:49:55] <hedgie> good luck[03:49:59] <LyriCa> i began compiling them 3 days ago and it just finished LOL[03:50:01] <LyriCa> yeah[03:50:02] <LyriCa> thanks[03:50:33] <torei> Having issues with my new computer and manjaro[03:52:06] <torei> Client: HexChat 2.12.3 • OS: ManjaroLinux "Fringilla" 16.10.3 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz (800MHz) • Memory: 7.5 GiB Total (6.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.6 GB / 32.7 GB (31.0 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 8m 10s[03:52:27] *** mystified <mystified!~mystif@110-174-9-2.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:52:28] *** mystified1234 <mystified1234!~mystif@110-174-9-2.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[03:52:33] <dodgejcr> torei ?![03:52:38] <torei> dodgejcr, !!![03:52:43] <dodgejcr> how the F are you man?[03:52:47] <dodgejcr> nice computer[03:52:59] <torei> I just bought a i7 6700 and manjaro isn't working right after update[03:53:09] <torei> I'm well and you?[03:53:12] *** adamalii <adamalii!~adam@202.179.187.34> has joined #manjaro[03:53:33] <adamalii> sup folks[03:53:43] <dodgejcr> so far so good. Whats up with manjaro not working? whats it doing?[03:54:05] <torei> It installs[03:54:07] <torei> boots[03:54:12] <torei> I update and it black screens[03:54:26] <dodgejcr> used latest install medium?[03:54:29] <dodgejcr> heloow adamalii[03:54:46] <adamalii> anyone have tinkering with openssh? i need to refresh my memory a bit, i want to setup key-only-auth/login[03:55:08] <torei> Yes, latest and tried both free and non free[03:55:12] <dodgejcr> adamalii: is this on the server or client[03:55:22] <dodgejcr> torei: can you get tty?[03:55:30] <adamalii> for client to connect to server[03:55:45] <adamalii> i already succesfully tried this long time ago[03:55:46] <dodgejcr> I mean are you setting this up as a server or just a client?[03:55:47] <torei> No[03:56:02] <dodgejcr> torei: try messing with modesetting?[03:56:38] <torei> I need to look into how to do that[03:56:43] <torei> I haven't been working with linux lately[03:56:55] <dodgejcr> I have i7-6500U in this laptop with intel gpu and have to tweak modesetting before installing and again after the first update[03:57:05] <adamalii> let say manjaro is client,generate ssh key pair,exchange to server,the server already setup with key only login[03:57:14] <torei> brb got to restart[03:57:19] *** torei <torei!~torei@c-69-254-10-255.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:58:24] <dodgejcr> adamalii: the server admin has to add your public key. You can try ssh-copy-id <ip> but if they dont allow password then you might not be able to do push your key to the server[03:59:07] <adamalii> my mind is mumbled about concept public and private key,the last time i tried,the server was setup with USER/PASSWORD auth after the exchange or ssh copy,then i set server to KEY auth only[03:59:18] <adamalii> and many of tutorial explain this[03:59:20] <adamalii> BUT[03:59:26] <adamalii> my case now[04:00:27] <adamalii> both of client and server CANNOT be accessed by PASSWORD login,atleast remotely[04:01:43] <dodgejcr> hrm, I dont know of a way to do it from the client without the password[04:01:44] *** torei <torei!~torei@c-69-254-10-255.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[04:02:00] <torei> Ok, booted. Going to update and it won't boot[04:02:02] <dodgejcr> but then again, I dont know everything about it so someone else may know of a way[04:02:19] <dodgejcr> torei: I also have to rebuild the init after the first update on this laptop[04:03:21] *** adam_ <adam_!~adam@202.179.187.34> has joined #manjaro[04:03:30] <adam_> sry,network prob[04:04:23] <dodgejcr> adam_: Just re-read some of the previous messages, you said that the key is already on the server?[04:04:41] *** adamalii <adamalii!~adam@202.179.187.34> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[04:04:46] <adam_> no[04:05:02] <dodgejcr> Okay I figured I was mis-reading that somehow[04:05:09] <dodgejcr> does ssh-copy-id work?[04:05:17] <adam_> if my memory connect, you only can do ssh-copy if u already auth?[04:05:24] <adam_> via username and passsword[04:05:25] <ahd42> dodgejcr most likely not[04:06:08] <torei> Client: HexChat 2.12.3 • OS: ManjaroLinux "Fringilla" 16.10.3 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700 CPU @ 3.40GHz (802MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.5 GiB Free) Swap: 8.6 GiB Total (8.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 31.0 GB / 491.6 GB (460.6 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime[04:06:08] <torei> : 8m 18s[04:06:08] <dodgejcr> ahd42: right but I really dont know of a way to get the key there without access to the server. I figured it best to cover the easy ways to rule them out[04:06:22] <adam_> we can access server[04:06:24] <adam_> via locally[04:06:33] <dodgejcr> then put the key there manually[04:06:35] <adam_> let say via CD/ROm[04:06:35] <torei> It's only showing /dev/sda1 for free space[04:06:42] <adam_> yesssssss[04:08:02] <dodgejcr> torei: hexchat or the computer itself?[04:08:40] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@103.240.192.230> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:08:41] <torei> hexchat[04:08:48] <adam_> so how the correct step to do this in my situation?[04:08:54] <mystified1234> Hey guys some of you help out, I'm having an issue running an app, it should run from its icon. It fails & only runs if I run through terminal first "Modprobe fuse" first. Then it will only run in terminal.[04:09:14] <torei> I should've bought the 6700k[04:09:18] <dodgejcr> adam_: for the user there should be a file in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys with the keys that are allowed[04:09:19] <adam_> client generate priv and pub key, client copy priv key to server auth key.server generate pub and priv[04:09:31] <adam_> server copy its pub key to client?[04:10:26] *** yitzhakbg <yitzhakbg!~textual@5.28.146.60> has joined #manjaro[04:10:42] <dodgejcr> torei: nah you should have gotten the 6900k[04:10:55] <adam_> so i must copy client priv key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys in server?[04:11:04] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has joined #manjaro[04:11:05] <dodgejcr> adam_: yes[04:11:26] <dodgejcr> you will copy the server's key to the client by allowing the host. It will go into .ssh/known_hosts[04:11:51] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-44c16b78.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[04:11:56] <dodgejcr> but that part is automatic when you say that you will trust the host. Well should be[04:11:56] <adam_> after that i generate pub and priv key in server and copy server's public key to client?[04:12:06] <dodgejcr> adam_: no, shouldnt need to[04:12:23] <dodgejcr> well, gen the keys but dont copy them over[04:12:53] <dodgejcr> you can if the automatic trusting prompt doesnt work but it should if you can auth to the server[04:12:54] <adam_> server only need client priv'key?[04:13:00] <dodgejcr> right[04:13:17] <dodgejcr> the client will automatically get the server's key[04:14:43] <adam_> server key generation , shall it created after putting client's priv key to authorized, or it doesnt matter?[04:15:25] <dodgejcr> doesnt matter[04:16:47] <adam_> that really refresh my mind[04:17:07] <adam_> well another quick question, for GPG, we only need to exchange public key right?[04:17:17] <torei> You like the broadwell-e?[04:17:27] <torei> the chipset isn't as good as the skylake though[04:17:33] <dodgejcr> right adam_[04:17:47] <dodgejcr> you will sign each other's keys with your private key. You dont give that one out[04:18:19] <adam_> thank you so much dodgejcr,you are doing god's here[04:18:26] <torei> dodgejcr, http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-6900K[04:18:28] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/EpA90p] Intel Core i7 6700K vs 6900K[04:18:29] <dodgejcr> torei: not really but I have a 5900 haswell and I love that[04:18:34] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[04:18:34] <dodgejcr> also love this 6500U[04:18:42] <dodgejcr> adam_: good luck man[04:18:50] <torei> I have a haswell also i5 3570[04:19:30] *** ACz <ACz!~ACz@dns.magusz.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:20:09] <adam_> oh forgot this one[04:20:39] *** ACz <ACz!~ACz@dns.magusz.net> has joined #manjaro[04:20:49] <dodgejcr> hrm those cpuboss scores are interesting. I figured the 6900 would do a bit better than the 6700. Very nice[04:20:56] <adam_> i only have played with openssh,may be dropbear for one sec, but as long as i remembered , key generation will use RSA,while encryption can be utilize AES[04:21:06] *** mystified1234 <mystified1234!~mystif@110-174-9-2.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:21:48] <torei> Heat issues I assume cause it to scale the processor speeds differently and avg lower performance over time compared to the 6700[04:22:04] <dodgejcr> adam_: Im not sure on that. I dont want to tell you incorrectly[04:22:10] <dodgejcr> torei: probably[04:23:09] <dodgejcr> that 6700 is pretty close to my 5960. Not bad[04:23:29] <dodgejcr> sadly I dont ever get to use that damn computer. Wife took it over as her business computer :/[04:23:37] <dodgejcr> I get stuck with the fx8350[04:24:46] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@177.182.9.215> has joined #manjaro[04:25:24] <torei> That sucks man[04:25:26] <adam_> yeah,the best i can do in Cryptography is C in school[04:25:39] *** V1G_LD-1Nkcc <V1G_LD-1Nkcc!~V1G_LD-1N@ip68-3-220-102.ph.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Client terminated.)[04:25:54] <torei> brb[04:25:56] <torei> update complete[04:26:05] <torei> well maybe brb[04:26:07] <torei> hahaha[04:26:12] <dodgejcr> torei: repackage the initramfs[04:26:19] <dodgejcr> just to check[04:26:41] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[04:26:44] <torei> how is that done?[04:26:50] <torei> wiki?[04:26:50] <dodgejcr> mkinitcpio[04:26:56] <torei> ok thanks man[04:27:06] <dodgejcr> need the kernel version on there too[04:28:13] <torei> Got it[04:28:19] <torei> brb[04:28:22] *** torei <torei!~torei@c-69-254-10-255.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:29:19] <dodgejcr> adam_: looks like it can use AES http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/237965/generate-a-ssh-pair-with-aes-256-cbc[04:29:21] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/S0Eeaq] linux - Generate a SSH pair with AES-256-CBC - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange[04:29:36] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@177.182.9.215> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:30:03] <adam_> i read that already :D[04:30:33] <dodgejcr> ahh Ive been reading up on it and that seemed like the most informative bit I found[04:31:18] <adam_> it seems,generation will only use RSA,but when exchange and connection happen, AES can be utilized.[04:33:33] *** johnvan_pc <johnvan_pc!~johnvan@toroon2634w-lp130-01-69-158-22-67.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:36:22] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[04:37:27] *** johnvan_pc <johnvan_pc!~johnvan@toroon2634w-lp130-01-69-158-22-67.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[04:40:44] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[04:41:11] *** yitzhakbg <yitzhakbg!~textual@5.28.146.60> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac Mini has gone to sleep. 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is there some list of essential console ommands for yaourt and pacman i should look at?[09:38:31] *** yitzhakbg <yitzhakbg!~textual@5.28.146.60> has joined #manjaro[09:39:04] <magican> man pacamn is a good place to start. BUT.[09:39:13] <magican> If u wanna check if u have a package and what version[09:39:18] <magican> pacman -Q | grep <package>[09:39:29] <magican> more info about it: pacman -Qi | grep <pacakge>[09:40:22] <kdetoxfce> Ok, i alrdy installed some updates for my system with gui, how do it with a command?[09:40:24] *** ma4__ <ma4__!~ma4@x2f7ff9f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #manjaro[09:41:00] <kdetoxfce> Just coming from mint, so adapting a bit[09:43:01] <magican> Allright =)[09:43:04] <magican> pacman -Syu[09:43:47] <kdetoxfce> allright, with me alrdy knowing how to install both in pacman and yaourt that set of commands seems enough for now, thanks again![09:44:24] <kdetoxfce> noted, bye![09:44:27] <magican> Bye![09:44:33] *** kdetoxfce <kdetoxfce!4fc1678e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.193.103.142> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[09:44:58] <ma4__> kind of nood questing, but why is my Firefox jumping to the OpenSuse search engine when i put a special character in the search? 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I got busy with something else[11:44:27] <PMunch> Manjaro, generally speaking, will be more stable than a distro directly accessing the arch repositories[11:44:51] *** yitzhakbg <yitzhakbg!~textual@5.28.146.60> has joined #manjaro[11:44:51] <PMunch> The way Manjaro is set up is that the repositories are layered and there is testing at each stage[11:45:38] <PMunch> If you, like most Manjaro users, is at the top layer then you will get package updates about a week or so late. But what you gain from it is stability[11:46:07] <PMunch> If a package is seen to break systems in the lower levels of testing then it will not make it into the top-level repository[11:46:18] <PMunch> There are however still some possibility of breakage[11:47:07] <PMunch> It's not possible to have a tester for any configuration of packages so you might still find things that crash since you have one package or another that conflicts with the updates[11:48:03] <PMunch> I've been using Manjaro now for a bit over a year IIRC and it's been mostly stable for e[11:48:17] <suppi> PMunch how frequently does breakage happen on average and how bad is it usually (meaning how hard is it to solve mostly)[11:48:39] <PMunch> Well, the other day my USB key wouldn't seem to work after an update[11:48:45] <PMunch> One reboot later and everything was fine[11:49:02] <PMunch> I did also get some conflicts when updating, but those were easy to resolve[11:49:34] <suppi> PMunch: alrighty. thank you very much for your response :)[11:49:39] <PMunch> Before that, maybe half a year ago I had a package that just stopped working[11:50:01] <PMunch> Turns out the perl compiler had updated and I had to re-install the package to build it with the newest version[11:50:04] <suppi> which de do you use?[11:50:12] <PMunch> But it's mostly minor things[11:50:16] <PMunch> I use i3[11:50:33] <suppi> i see[11:50:49] <suppi> thank you :)[11:57:26] *** ceka <ceka!~ok@86.49.186.211> has joined #manjaro[11:58:17] *** roch <roch!~roch@89-75-180-57.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[11:58:42] *** roch_ <roch_!~roch@89-75-180-57.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #manjaro[11:59:04] *** torei <torei!~torei@c-69-254-10-255.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[11:59:49] *** japonecka <japonecka!~ok@86.49.186.211> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:01:04] *** Manja <Manja!~Manja@x2f7ff42.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #manjaro[12:02:25] *** bobfossil_ <bobfossil_!~manjaro-k@103.204.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[12:04:35] *** ok <ok!~ok@86.49.186.211> has joined #manjaro[12:04:58] *** ok is now known as Guest37980[12:05:12] *** LucaB <LucaB!~Luca@a91-156-40-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: c u)[12:05:23] *** jarco_ <jarco_!~jarco@dD5E0341A.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[12:07:54] *** ceka <ceka!~ok@86.49.186.211> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[12:08:58] *** jarco_ <jarco_!~jarco@dD5E0341A.access.telenet.be> has joined #manjaro[12:10:17] *** Guest37980 <Guest37980!~ok@86.49.186.211> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[12:12:07] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~strit@87-62-150-162-static.dk.customer.tdc.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[12:12:40] *** hodyna <hodyna!~hodyna@77.120.46.23> has joined #manjaro[12:14:37] <magican> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMvIuAQVWHQ&feature=youtu.be[12:14:38] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/YGBLRy] Do YOU want yet a linux / tech channel? - YouTube[12:14:38] <magican> ;P[12:16:38] *** imnofox <imnofox!~imnofox@222-152-79-171.jetstream.xtra.co.nz> has quit IRC ()[12:18:23] *** hodyna <hodyna!~hodyna@77.120.46.23> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[12:21:29] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[12:25:03] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has joined #manjaro[12:26:11] *** kc9iid <kc9iid!~mark@2602:304:b1ba:81e0:eb00:5a30:1a32:df44> has quit IRC (Quit: Goodbye Everyone)[12:26:28] *** ahd42 <ahd42!~ahd@unaffiliated/ahd42> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[12:27:01] *** chomwitt <chomwitt!~chomwitt@ppp-94-69-219-80.home.otenet.gr> has joined #manjaro[12:27:56] *** suppi <suppi!~suppi@unaffiliated/suppi> has left #manjaro ("WeeChat 1.7")[12:28:19] *** ahd42 <ahd42!~ahd@ipbcc1dc8c.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #manjaro[12:28:39] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@14.141.219.169> has joined #manjaro[12:29:24] *** chomwitt4 <chomwitt4!~chomwitt@athedsl-352207.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:31:54] *** mallowmow <mallowmow!~mallowmow@unaffiliated/mallowmow> has joined #manjaro[12:34:41] *** Oachkatzl <Oachkatzl!~Oachkatzl@93-82-153-189.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[12:35:41] <mallowmow> I've downloaded and extracted firefox nightly, however ./configure won't work, is there another command to install it?[12:36:51] <thid> ...[12:36:56] <thid> why would u do that?[12:37:45] <thid> yaourt -S firefox-nightly[12:37:51] <thid> <_<[12:38:09] <mallowmow> installing it from aur isn't working because the checksums are not matching, PKGBUILD is downloading the newest nightly but not updating checksums[12:38:13] <mallowmow> it's an aur issue[12:39:41] <thid> more like pkg issuse[12:39:45] <thid> and u can just edit it[12:39:49] <mallowmow> thid: feel free to try it, obviously I wouldn't subvert this method[12:39:49] <thid> while building[12:40:25] <mallowmow> because it's not a good idea, ideally I'd prefer it was fixed and the checksum match before instaling it on my system[12:40:46] <thid> why its no a good idea?[12:40:55] <thid> its normal to edit pkgbuild[12:41:50] <mallowmow> but checksums fulfill an important purpose, why would I edit it to bypass them for the sake of conveinience?[12:42:10] <thid> dude update checksum[12:42:13] <thid> not bypass[12:42:52] <mallowmow> thid: you know what, forget it, I just find some other way[12:43:28] <thid> right..[12:44:06] <thid> somebody have no idea how aur works[12:45:12] <mallowmow> why do you have such a terrible attitude? from the outset, you've been needlessly hostile from what was a genuine inquiry, if you are annoyed or exasperated by what I'm asking, just don't get involved.[12:47:04] <thid> just pointing out something, u try to build urself (not even a package) without base-devel (and other stuffs) firefox nighty, while ignoring the most logic solution, that would require to update sha512 checksum that u can get from mozilla ftp[12:48:22] <thid> ofc aur package is at falt also to have hardcoded checksums[12:48:57] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has joined #manjaro[12:49:12] <mallowmow> don't worry about it, thid[12:50:16] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@176.10.115.156> has joined #manjaro[12:50:39] <magican> yet a day in lovely #irc =)[12:51:45] <magican> Still don't see the problem.[12:52:02] <magican> i had to follow the instruction on the link you provided:[12:52:05] <magican> $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 14F26682D0916CDD81E37B6D61B7B526D98F0353[12:52:06] <magican> $ gpg --lsign 14F26682D0916CDD81E37B6D61B7B526D98F0353[12:52:09] <magican> ( I also had to rebuild trustdb.gpg after the first run of gpg --lsign.[12:52:10] <magican> Do that then?[12:53:25] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has joined #manjaro[12:53:50] *** Engrin <Engrin!~user@dev-void.org> has quit IRC (Quit: .)[12:54:36] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@138.21.148.225> has joined #manjaro[12:55:07] <mallowmow> magican: tried that, no luck[12:55:11] *** Engrin <Engrin!~user@dev-void.org> has joined #manjaro[12:55:25] *** kdetoxfce <kdetoxfce!4fc1678e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.193.103.142> has joined #manjaro[12:56:28] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@138.21.148.225> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:56:34] <kdetoxfce> hey guys! i installed xfce4(-goodies) yet i dont see manjaro style xfce when entering into the session, how do i change that?[12:56:49] <magican> mallowmow: Then I don't know.. seems like it worked for some ppl.[12:57:20] <magican> kdetoxfce: Have u set the theme ? xfce4-settings or what it was called, been years since I ran xfce,.[12:57:42] <mallowmow> true, sorry for the silly question magican but how did you go about rebuilding trustdb.gpg[12:57:44] <mallowmow> ?[12:58:10] <magican> I just read in other ppls comments when in yaourt and it builds.[12:58:34] *** ma4__ <ma4__!~ma4@x2f7ff9f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[12:58:38] <kdetoxfce> magician: would it fix everything? like the panel being on top of the desktop, the app bar bottom? If so, in which settings would i find it in xfce?[12:59:17] *** rumflump <rumflump!~weechat@unaffiliated/olscumpy> has quit IRC (Quit: rumflump)[13:00:10] *** mallowmow <mallowmow!~mallowmow@unaffiliated/mallowmow> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[13:00:46] <kdetoxfce> * magican:[13:01:02] *** MrLawrence <MrLawrence!~MrLawrenc@unaffiliated/mrlawrence> has joined #manjaro[13:02:00] <MrLawrence> Hello guys I'm trying to do a system update but I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/bMzHYpwN[13:02:01] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/ar9wFj] error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: linux4 - Pastebin.com[13:02:05] *** jkr <jkr!~jkr@a109-49-80-116.cpe.netcabo.pt> has joined #manjaro[13:02:10] <MrLawrence> I have 4.8 Kernel[13:03:55] <magican> MrLawrence: Install newer nvidia-utils first, then kernel. Or remove nvidia-utils alltogether and install them after.[13:04:05] <magican> <-- Kernel 4.9 and nvidia gtx1080[13:04:20] <magican> [magican@megatron ~]$ pacman -Q | grep nvidia-utils[13:04:23] <magican> nvidia-utils 375.26-2[13:04:48] <magican> So KILL the 375.20, install kernel, then nvidia-utils[13:05:44] <magican> Hmm.. seems like my channel might have a chance.. Planing to start yet a linux/overclock/blabla channel, but 99% noob theme with easier and (more common) questions. Existing channels are either review and/or a bit to hard for new users.[13:05:45] <magican> hm[13:05:47] <magican> hmhm^10[13:05:47] *** jkr <jkr!~jkr@a109-49-80-116.cpe.netcabo.pt> has left #manjaro[13:06:02] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[13:06:06] <magican> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWUAfnIKnxN39t0coJY4cqQ let me know![13:06:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/UAbO6S] WestbayTech[13:06:11] <negen_> <-- linux 4.9.4-1 and <--nvidia-utils 375.26-2[13:07:17] <MrLawrence> magican, I can't remove nvidia-utils it tells me this http://pastebin.com/eut9k4r0[13:07:18] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/tuWauV] checking dependencies... error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisf - Pastebin.com[13:10:54] <magican> Its like a wonderful stupid loop :)[13:11:02] <magican> That's why god invented the --force option >:)[13:11:18] *** Nikky <Nikky!~Nikky@nikky.moe> has quit IRC (Quit: *.net *.split)[13:11:19] <magican> or uninstall everything and then back, many way to solve it.[13:12:09] <negen_> reasons like this is why i prefer the nvidia-dkms package[13:12:18] *** kdetoxfce <kdetoxfce!4fc1678e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.193.103.142> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[13:12:25] <negen_> but some say it should not be using with manjaro for some reason or another[13:12:40] <magican> True.. However when I went from 4.8 to 4.9 it went smooth, no complains.[13:13:00] <magican> Thats with pure arch and openbox.[13:13:07] <magican> Nothing more - nothing less ;P[13:14:00] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@221.198.107.143> has joined #manjaro[13:16:20] *** ma4__ <ma4__!~ma4@x2f7ff9f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #manjaro[13:21:17] *** floown <floown!~quassel@unaffiliated/fanchon> has joined #manjaro[13:22:14] <MrLawrence> Doing pacman -Syyu --force still does not let me[13:22:19] <MrLawrence> what the hell is going on lol[13:22:27] *** Kdax1 <Kdax1!~Kdax@pD4B886EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[13:22:39] <negen_> System: Host SR-2 Kernel 4.9.4-1-ck x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop Openbox 3.6.1 Distro Arch Linux[13:25:38] *** Kdax <Kdax!~Kdax@176.10.115.156> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:29:46] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@221.198.107.143> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[13:33:39] <magican> MrLawrence: well... I reverted a manjaro to a 100% pure Arch, THAT was a pain when it comes to conflicts. However, dont be coward. Uninstall all *nvidia stuff, X won't start for sure. Once in terminal, install kernel and correct nvidia stuff.[13:33:48] <magican> Practice in a VM if u unsure.[13:34:19] *** bllyanos <bllyanos!~bllyanos@103.43.128.251> has joined #manjaro[13:34:47] <bllyanos> hello guys[13:34:48] <bllyanos> hahaha[13:35:11] <bllyanos> ada orang indo disini?[13:35:16] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[13:35:55] *** nuuuciano <nuuuciano!~luuuciano@unaffiliated/luuuciano> has joined #manjaro[13:37:07] <magican> .......?[13:37:25] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqkfkkzmasakbcec> has joined #manjaro[13:38:13] <bllyanos> nope im just lonely hahaha[13:38:17] *** Nikky <Nikky!~Nikky@nikky.moe> has joined #manjaro[13:39:13] <magican> ada orang indo disini? <-- wtf does it mean? :)[13:39:28] <bllyanos> hmm i cant explain, my english is bad[13:39:33] <bllyanos> im come from indonesia[13:39:51] <bllyanos> some indonesian bad at english[13:40:02] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@194.108.3.14> has joined #manjaro[13:42:18] <negen_> Nah kemudian hanya memberi saya bir jika Anda tidak dapat berbicara bahasa Inggris[13:42:37] <bllyanos> hey negen, your bahasa is bad haha :)[13:43:13] <negen_> ;) google translate[13:43:42] <bllyanos> yeah sometimes google translate is bad for translating my language[13:44:08] <magican> sometimes? ;P[13:44:16] <magican> 99.9% ain't sometimes =)[13:44:55] <bllyanos> hahaha[13:44:55] <bllyanos> my language is hard to learn[13:44:55] <bllyanos> and your language too[13:44:57] *** yitzhakbg <yitzhakbg!~textual@5.28.146.60> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac Mini has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[13:45:59] <magican> Whos? mine? My language is swedish, we just have english in school and well, watch movies etc.. My daughter that is 3 don't say colors in swedish, she says RED, WHITE, etc.. just cos of utube :P[13:46:40] *** sunn <sunn!~oliver@host86-171-89-36.range86-171.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:46:55] <PMunch> Well, Swedish is probably about as hard to learn for an Indonesian as English is[13:47:08] <PMunch> Or wait, maybe not[13:47:20] <PMunch> English has a lot of weird, inconsistent, grammar..[13:47:34] <bllyanos> wahahaha[13:47:40] <tme> don't forget we have Finnish language exist also[13:47:45] <PMunch> Oh god[13:47:54] <PMunch> That's a whole other story :S[13:47:58] <bllyanos> what is Finnish?[13:48:03] <magican> now THAT is a fucked up language (Finnish) :D[13:48:10] <tme> :D[13:48:12] <tme> kinda yeah[13:48:13] <bllyanos> Finnish is end?[13:48:14] <PMunch> The language people from Finland speak[13:48:14] <magican> Perkele , all u need to know.[13:48:17] <bllyanos> Finnish = end[13:48:26] <bllyanos> ooooo got it[13:48:32] <PMunch> finish = end, Finnish = language of people from Finland[13:48:57] <PMunch> Well, Finnish would be anything from Finland[13:48:57] <tme> I am from Finland and it's really fucked up language to foreign ppl[13:49:07] *** Manja <Manja!~Manja@x2f7ff42.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Simple IRC: The quit option.)[13:49:22] <tme> lentokonesuihkuturbiinimoottoriapumekanikkoaliupseerioppilas[13:49:29] <bllyanos> wahahaha how about java?[13:49:33] <PMunch> it's mostly about language relations though[13:49:35] <bllyanos> haha programming language[13:49:36] <tme> that's the biggest valid compound word we have afaik[13:49:50] <PMunch> Høyesterettsjustituarius[13:49:59] <PMunch> I think that's the longest one we would actually use[13:50:09] <PMunch> But you are allowed to string together all kinds of crap[13:50:17] <bllyanos> what is dat[13:50:19] <magican> tme: /me lived in Umeå, went on pretty much crusies with Wasa King/Queen/etc to Wasa, before in ended. So I travled with Wasa King (a.k.a estonia), before it was sold and sank.[13:50:35] <bllyanos> how about japan?[13:50:37] <magican> Remeber back in 90's, taxfree = gone, line Sweden <-> Wasa also gone :D[13:50:37] <tme> oh, cool :O[13:50:48] <magican> No taxfree = no point to go.[13:50:50] <magican> ;:P[13:51:02] <PMunch> Togkonduktørassistentvesteknappetrådfargeutvalgskomiteformannsekreter[13:51:16] <magican> However! ALL finish ppl sound so MEAN with their accent :D[13:51:17] <PMunch> That is a word for example[13:51:19] <tme> never visited in Vasa but drove trough few times when gone hiking in Lapland \o/[13:51:23] <PMunch> Not a real thing, but still a word[13:51:42] <bllyanos> wahaha its complicated >.<[13:51:43] <tme> magican: I completely agree with that[13:51:55] * magican had a teacher in school with a brutal finish accent, whe he god mad he sounded like the devil :D[13:52:05] <tme> :D[13:52:10] <bllyanos> i completely do not understand with that[13:52:10] <magican> To bad its impossible to type in accent, but its FUNNY[13:52:37] <bllyanos> hey how to chat with color?[13:52:42] <bllyanos> sorry im new user[13:52:44] <bllyanos> hahaha[13:52:45] <magican> Dra helvete <-- Swedish thing, but the fun part is finish accent.[13:53:22] <PMunch> bllyanos, http://www.mirc.com/colors.html[13:53:24] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/k0Mfow] mIRC: Colors[13:53:48] <magican> mirc?![13:53:53] <PMunch> So this is read[13:53:54] <magican> weechat or bitchx ffs[13:54:09] <PMunch> mIRC just have good guides is all[13:54:16] <PMunch> Personally I use HexChat[13:54:44] *** Kjeldmis <Kjeldmis!~ckk@62.66.164.82> has joined #manjaro[13:54:51] <PMunch> Trying again[13:54:53] <PMunch> Ah, better[13:55:01] <PMunch> I had HexChat to strip colours[13:55:49] *** Nikky <Nikky!~Nikky@nikky.moe> has quit IRC (Quit: *.net *.split)[13:56:12] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@188-23-169-80.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[13:56:28] *** bllyanos <bllyanos!~bllyanos@103.43.128.251> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:56:38] *** bllyanos <bllyanos!~bllyanos@103.43.128.251> has joined #manjaro[13:56:54] <thid> better to go with weechat then bitchx[13:57:18] <bllyanos> dra helvete = go hell?[13:57:42] <Kjeldmis> bllyanos: pretty much, y[13:57:53] *** mattallmill <mattallmill!~mattallmi@ip174-70-145-40.ks.ks.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[13:57:54] <Kjeldmis> My swedish isnt perfect tho :)[13:58:07] <Kjeldmis> its more like go to hell[13:58:39] <negen_> why are you guys inviting people over to my house ?[13:58:51] <negen_> I have enough people here already[13:59:10] *** dodgejcr_ <dodgejcr_!~dodgejcr@24-40-239-211.fidnet.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[14:00:45] <PMunch> What was that negen_? Party at your place?[14:01:38] <PMunch> Kjeldmis, I think the Sweden would also use something like "Dra til Helvete" which is "Go to Hell". I think magican was just trying to make his text sound Finnish[14:01:57] <negen_> <bllyanos> dra helvete = go hell?<Kjeldmis> its more like go to hell[14:02:10] <negen_> both you guys inviting more strangers too my place[14:02:13] <PMunch> Haha :P[14:02:21] <negen_> its getting crowded[14:03:03] <tme> invite me too[14:03:44] <bllyanos> where is your house negen_? i dont understand hahaha[14:04:09] <PMunch> bllyanos, he's implying that his house is in hell. So go to hell would be go to negen_s place[14:04:36] <xangua> Warm warm hell[14:04:37] <negen_> hell[14:05:21] <Kjeldmis> PMunch: its a little like the expression "fucks sake", which is an abbreviation of " for fucks sake". In swedish you do the same when u swear, "dra helvete" isnt exactly grammatically correct, although often used.[14:05:45] <Kjeldmis> I know for a fact, as I love pissing of those swedes[14:05:54] *** sunn <sunn!~oliver@host86-150-104-37.range86-150.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[14:06:04] <Kjeldmis> xD just kidding.[14:06:12] *** Nikky <Nikky!~Nikky@nikky.moe> has joined #manjaro[14:07:03] <PMunch> Oh, interesting. In Norwegian you would say the full thing[14:07:38] <tme> intredasting[14:07:41] <tme> pappa betalar[14:07:41] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@194.108.3.14> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[14:08:11] *** bllyanos <bllyanos!~bllyanos@103.43.128.251> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:08:37] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[14:10:51] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@193.140.194.77> has joined #manjaro[14:13:34] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@dslb-092-078-246-186.092.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[14:14:43] <whytrytofly> does anyone know alternatives for pidgin[14:15:02] <whytrytofly> being able to use libpurple plugins[14:15:12] *** enkeys <enkeys!~enkeys@179.43.155.66> has joined #manjaro[14:15:39] *** mstruebing <mstruebing!~mstruebin@h-62.96.223.98.host.de.colt.net> has joined #manjaro[14:16:15] <mstruebing> anyone else currently having trouble with virtualbox/vagrant? http://pastebin.com/1TUCy8s4[14:16:16] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/17wAaw] Vagrant was unable to mount VirtualBox shared folders. This is usually because - Pastebin.com[14:16:23] <mstruebing> or a solution would be better[14:16:26] <magican> Kjeldmis: Dra helvete, not correct swedish, but the finnish accent make it awesome :D[14:16:39] <mstruebing> tried to install different linux headers and stuff but didn't get it to work![14:16:56] *** enkeys <enkeys!~enkeys@179.43.155.66> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:18:40] *** yitzhakbg <yitzhakbg!~textual@5.28.146.60> has joined #manjaro[14:21:58] *** gebruiker <gebruiker!~gebruiker@77.172.237.233> has joined #manjaro[14:22:03] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@194.108.3.14> has joined #manjaro[14:22:41] <gebruiker> I am trying to use the vertex mia on my archlinux installation but the terminal is all messedup when applying the font. I found the theme on github, .... anyone?[14:22:42] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@84.34.248.162> has joined #manjaro[14:22:45] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@84.34.248.162> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:24:23] *** mstruebing <mstruebing!~mstruebin@h-62.96.223.98.host.de.colt.net> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[14:25:22] *** Manjaro <Manjaro!bb3181f7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.187.49.129.247> has joined #manjaro[14:25:43] <Manjaro> hello[14:26:06] <Manjaro> somebody ?[14:26:24] <Manjaro> portuguese ?[14:26:53] *** mstruebing <mstruebing!~mstruebin@h-62.96.223.98.host.de.colt.net> has joined #manjaro[14:27:03] <mstruebing> I even have no 'vboxdrv' ...[14:27:06] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[14:28:26] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@188-23-169-80.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[14:28:43] *** Manjaro 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#manjaro[15:30:41] *** ahd42 <ahd42!~ahd@ipbcc1dc8c.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[15:30:46] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:31:12] *** Nikky <Nikky!~Nikky@nikky.moe> has quit IRC (Quit: *.net *.split)[15:31:39] *** manjaro-web|6424 <manjaro-web|6424!4fc1678e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.193.103.142> has joined #manjaro[15:31:55] *** Nikky <Nikky!~Nikky@nikky.moe> has joined #manjaro[15:31:58] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[15:33:18] <manjaro-web|6424> Hey guys! where can i find the changes/customisations i made to some progs in the file system?[15:34:44] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-web|6424: err.. Well... first, start out with what programs and what changes your looking for.[15:36:02] <manjaro-web|6424> I hid an Eclipse gui element i don't know the name of and wanted to delete the contents so i can reinstall it fresh[15:36:22] <thid> pacman purge![15:37:23] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-web|6424: well, most applications save their settings in /home/urusernamehere/.config[15:37:45] <manjaro-web|6424> Thx![15:40:23] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[15:40:41] *** manjaro-web|6566 <manjaro-web|6566!d0781365@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.208.120.19.101> has joined #manjaro[15:40:44] <manjaro-web|6424> Can it be that the file is hidden? Cant see it in the file manager even when opening with root[15:42:33] *** robert_HfWU <robert_HfWU!~robert@193.196.133.6> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:43:54] *** manjaro-web|6566 <manjaro-web|6566!d0781365@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.208.120.19.101> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:44:24] *** infinital <infinital!uid144856@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hrfsiplfamtyxffi> has joined #manjaro[15:44:50] *** sal325 <sal325!d0781365@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.208.120.19.101> has joined #manjaro[15:45:29] <mstruebing> manjaro-web|6424: yes.[15:45:33] *** mstruebing <mstruebing!~mstruebin@h-62.96.223.98.host.de.colt.net> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[15:45:54] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has joined #manjaro[15:46:50] <sal325> How tricky is it to configure VNC server to remote connect to Login screen?[15:48:35] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-094-216-188-100.094.216.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[15:48:41] *** sal325 <sal325!d0781365@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.208.120.19.101> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:50:30] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@bda34-1-78-246-9-45.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[15:52:05] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@bda34-1-78-246-9-45.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:52:29] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-178-000-010-157.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[15:52:59] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[15:54:43] *** bllyanos <bllyanos!~bllyanos@36.72.171.148> has joined #manjaro[15:54:55] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has joined #manjaro[15:55:14] *** yitzhakbg <yitzhakbg!~textual@5.28.146.60> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[15:56:56] <bllyanos> hellooo is good to be back[15:57:16] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-178-000-010-157.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:58:15] *** keevitaja <keevitaja!~keevitaja@117-39-71-217.sta.estpak.ee> has joined #manjaro[15:59:35] <keevitaja> hi, i need some help. how do i enable keyboard layout switching? i have locales installed and in x11 keyboard conf Option "XkbLayout" "us,ee" Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp:alt_shift_toggle"[15:59:44] <keevitaja> is ther anything else i need to do[15:59:50] <keevitaja> using manjaro net + xfce[16:00:33] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@19014240178.ip25.static.mediacommerce.com.co> has joined #manjaro[16:00:43] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-074-146-241.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[16:01:34] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@19014240178.ip25.static.mediacommerce.com.co> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:02:11] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:02:11] <keevitaja> oh sorry, got it[16:02:15] *** keevitaja <keevitaja!~keevitaja@117-39-71-217.sta.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:03:48] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has joined #manjaro[16:03:52] *** manjaro-web|6424 <manjaro-web|6424!4fc1678e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.193.103.142> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[16:04:19] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #manjaro[16:04:57] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:08:13] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@27.7.68.66> has joined #manjaro[16:08:25] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-074-146-241.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:12:23] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@193.140.194.77> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:12:27] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@193.140.198.48> has joined #manjaro[16:14:33] *** robotroll <robotroll!~robotroll@unaffiliated/robotroll> has joined #manjaro[16:24:03] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[16:24:28] *** a_user <a_user!b2be6b6b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.190.107.107> has joined #manjaro[16:24:39] <a_user> hello there![16:24:56] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[16:28:04] <a_user> i have installed manjaro linux with the gnome desktop on my laptop, but if i type in a wrong password in the login screen, there comes not an error message or something like that[16:28:11] <a_user> is that normal so?[16:29:26] <roch_> is this Your qustion ? :D[16:29:32] <roch_> and Hi btw.[16:30:04] <a_user> yes[16:30:54] <roch_> if it don't let U in it's ok[16:31:07] <roch_> I am on lightDM, will check now[16:31:14] <a_user> no, it didn't let me in[16:31:16] <a_user> ok[16:31:58] <roch_> lightDM informs on wrong passwd[16:32:37] <a_user> ok[16:33:16] <a_user> at the last start, there came a red box with an "x" (to close the box) as a warning, but there was no text in it[16:33:17] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[16:33:22] *** manj-budgie <manj-budgie!~manjaro-b@187.56.87.129> has joined #manjaro[16:33:57] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[16:34:21] <PMunch> a_user, that sounds like a bug[16:36:08] <a_user> ok[16:38:41] <a_user> and i have a second question[16:39:42] <a_user> is it possible to link in the syslinux bootloader to the windows installation on my other disk?[16:40:23] *** m712 is now known as theGNU[16:42:16] <PMunch> What do you mean?[16:43:07] <roch_> just plug in the disk and update-grub[16:43:56] <a_user> ok[16:44:27] <a_user> what do you mean with plug in the disk?[16:45:04] <a_user> should i mount it or something like that?[16:45:20] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@14.141.219.169> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:47:14] <a_user> ok i did[16:48:43] *** a_user <a_user!b2be6b6b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.190.107.107> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[16:49:11] <roch_> no[16:49:17] <roch_> now update-grub[16:50:01] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3511.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[16:51:17] *** a_user <a_user!b2be6b6b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.190.107.107> has joined #manjaro[16:51:37] <a_user> thank you all! it worked[16:52:30] <roch_> np, welcome to Manjaro[16:56:46] <bllyanos> welcome hahaha[16:58:45] <roch_> bllyanos, how are You ? :)[16:58:45] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.161.43> has joined #manjaro[17:00:16] <bllyanos> hei roch im fine[17:00:19] <bllyanos> of course but[17:00:26] <roch_> tell us :)[17:00:27] <bllyanos> my english is still bad[17:00:32] <bllyanos> :([17:00:46] <bllyanos> i can express my feeling[17:00:49] <roch_> every line you type U get better ;-[17:00:50] <bllyanos> i love manjaro[17:00:58] <bllyanos> and i love u[17:01:07] <bllyanos> oh sorry nevermind[17:01:09] <bllyanos> hahahaha[17:01:16] <roch_> hey, good to hear ;-))[17:01:30] <bllyanos> hey do you play dota?[17:01:41] <bllyanos> maybe we can play together[17:01:46] <bllyanos> but im bad at dota too[17:01:49] <roch_> no, I only do old fps games that are dying..[17:01:50] <bllyanos> like my english[17:01:56] <bllyanos> oww[17:02:00] <bllyanos> like what?[17:02:03] <bllyanos> CS?[17:02:06] <roch_> openarena ? :)[17:02:13] <bllyanos> hmm idk[17:02:23] <roch_> CS:GO is not dying, apparenntly[17:02:31] <bllyanos> CS 1.6 #lol[17:02:33] <roch_> gonna walk a dog, brb[17:02:38] <bllyanos> hey[17:02:56] <bllyanos> in my country its 11PM now[17:03:08] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[17:03:37] *** bllyanos <bllyanos!~bllyanos@36.72.171.148> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:05:21] <a_user> on my manjaro installation, there is grub AND a syslinux installed, do i need both?[17:08:06] *** manj-budgie <manj-budgie!~manjaro-b@187.56.87.129> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:14:12] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbes@dslb-088-073-156-139.088.073.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[17:16:12] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@78.158.208.106> has joined #manjaro[17:16:13] *** Preto <Preto!~sebastian@p2003007FCF4124006EEC3293D5657EDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:18:29] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:18:29] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@78.158.208.106> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:24:24] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:25:08] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[17:28:18] *** a_user <a_user!b2be6b6b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.190.107.107> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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I'm not looking forward to the next 4 years.[18:42:26] <teeneebobby> I missed the Speech[18:42:29] <teeneebobby> >.>[18:42:39] <Strit_Laptop> It's probably on youtube[18:43:00] <manots> ..;[18:43:06] <manots> I want to say[18:43:24] <manots> Trump is odd[18:43:42] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@vic03-h02-176-145-45-161.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr> has joined #manjaro[18:45:18] <meskarune> he is gonna ban porn y'all[18:45:27] <meskarune> time to stock up[18:45:33] <Strit_Laptop> An impossible task I'm sure.[18:45:38] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3511.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[18:45:55] <manots> I mean[18:46:09] <manots> he called my family rapists[18:47:07] <manots> So i don't exactly like him[18:47:09] <manjaroCinnamon> Hi, trying latest manjaro cinnamon on a live usb, for now I have problem with my wifi (realtek...) not installed, and I try to install latest Nvidia driver (I have a GTX1060) but when I try with pamac I have a "edit pkgbuild" sort message in terminal (I'm coming from Ubuntu so these things are quite new to me)[18:47:18] <meskarune> part of me is happy he elected, because now the people who voted for him are gonna have to live with the consequences[18:47:31] <manots> That's my father's feelings[18:47:33] <manots> Lol[18:47:38] <Strit_Laptop> manjaroCinnamon: graphics drivers are installed with Manjaro Settings Manager.[18:47:47] <meskarune> the other part is crying inside[18:48:03] <Strit_Laptop> manjaroCinnamon: maybe the wifi is in there roo[18:48:04] <manots> "look manots, look at the stupid white folk"/s[18:48:04] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[18:48:08] <Strit_Laptop> s/roo/too[18:49:00] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@dslb-092-078-246-186.092.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[18:49:08] <whytrytofly> anhy gnome users here=?[18:50:45] <manjaroCinnamon> Strit_Laptop, Ok, just tried from there, doesn't see my wifi adapter, and say that I already have the latest Nvidia driver (370.28 installed, latest being 378.09)[18:51:12] <Strit_Laptop> Latest stable is 375 I think.[18:52:09] <Strit_Laptop> 370 is probably the one on the ISO pr default.[18:52:55] <Strit_Laptop> But you wouldn't need the latest on a live session.[18:53:34] <manjaroCinnamon> Maybe, I should install on my system and make all the updates available (if there are), it was just to make a few tests before formatting my Ubuntu system partition lol[18:53:54] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3511.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[18:53:58] <Strit_Laptop> About the wifi, you should check the arch wiki about the chipset used.[18:54:13] <manjaroCinnamon> (because I'm a bit afraid of jumping to a completly different distro lol)[18:55:37] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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I'm on the Steam page, and the linux installer is a deb file[19:10:48] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has joined #manjaro[19:11:54] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: no, debs are only for debian derivatives[19:12:14] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: manjaro is arch based[19:12:28] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: by the way, steam is already installed on manjaro[19:13:18] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: check out manjaro wiki and learn how it all works (mainly pacman and AUR, but also mhwd and few other manjaro specific things)[19:14:11] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: if you don't like using termina, you can use programs like pamac (on xfce) or octopi (on plasma) to find and install programs[19:14:17] <manjaroCinnamon> I'm still testing the live usb image, from what I understand for now, it's not autoinstall files, it's more like a git repo where you pull and compile all softwares on install ?[19:14:24] <Strit_Laptop> Yep, steam is already installed, if it isn't you can install the steam-manjaro package.[19:14:41] *** king1337-2 <king1337-2!~king1337@S0106f0f24967f763.vc.shawcable.net> has joined #manjaro[19:14:58] <Strit_Laptop> manjaroCinnamon: No. Manjaro has repo's just like Ubuntu does. But instead of PPA's, we have the AUR, which mostly compiles from source.[19:14:58] *** drrgrr <drrgrr!~j@94.221.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #manjaro[19:15:14] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: manjaro works in that reagard like any other popular debian/ubuntu based distro. you hit install, go through the process and end up having workable system[19:16:18] <teeneebobby> Trump children look like the Mafia with those hair do[19:16:21] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: only AUR packages are compiled, but that process is automated by yaourt, you just hit yes or no, so that's easy. packages from manjaro repo are already compiled[19:16:39] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: ups, bad explanaintion[19:17:04] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: I meant, only AUR packages need to be compiled, but those from manjaro repo don't[19:17:22] *** notis <notis!~notis@46.246.225.52.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr> has joined #manjaro[19:17:24] <mike-zal> still, it's easy[19:18:05] <manjaroCinnamon> Ok, I was trying to install latest beta Nvidia driver (I know it's pointless because i'll have to reboot, so the live will reset it to default driver, but it was just to see if I have no error :) ) and it was from AUR, so that's why I thought everything was compiled on the fly :)[19:18:24] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: no, you do it ALL WRONG![19:18:50] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: manjaro has mhwd utility which detects and installs drivers automatically[19:19:25] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: so after installation you already have either free or closed drivers, depending on which live version you used to install it (free or not free)[19:19:37] <Strit_Laptop> And nvidia drivers from the website is not compatible with Manjaro's way. :)[19:19:47] <Jeannie> Bypassing mhwd is a good way to prepare your system for a reinstall[19:20:06] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: still, you can switch to opposite drivers at any time, because you have GUI utility called Manjaro Settings, where you can do that and few other things (like switching kernels)[19:20:47] <manjaroCinnamon> mike-zal, I have a GTX1060 so not sure if 370 driver is new enough to have latest fixes etc...[19:21:10] <Strit_Laptop> Maybe not, but the 375, which you will get in an update will have.[19:21:14] <manjaroCinnamon> on Ubuntu I have 375 something[19:21:21] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: yeah, Jeannie and Strit_Laptop are right, if you did that on a installed manjaro, you would fuck your installation, system wouldn't boot[19:21:59] <Jeannie> Want aur beta drivers? Use Arch[19:22:15] <teeneebobby> arch linux 3theein[19:22:21] <teeneebobby> 4thewin*[19:22:27] <mike-zal> gtx 1060 should work well in manjaro.[19:22:32] *** mandje <mandje!~mandje@2001:985:8762:1:499c:1704:b734:77a> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:23:06] <mike-zal> but yeah, not sure about the newest fixes, however they will come soon anyway[19:23:11] <manjaroCinnamon> That's why I always start to play on a live USB :p So I guess I have to install on system. Isn't Arch another step on difficulty from Manjaro ? I think that Ubuntu -> Manjaro is hard enough to start with :)[19:23:46] <manjaroCinnamon> *on system = on my pc[19:23:46] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: LOL, arch is like 1000 steps harder from manjaro, there is no comparision[19:23:47] <Strit_Laptop> Yeah. Arch is basicly a CLI installer, and you have to know it all (or read the beginner's guide over and over)[19:24:16] <manjaroCinnamon> I'll maybe try Arch in a few years so, lol[19:24:18] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@200.57.102.182> has joined #manjaro[19:24:30] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: if you want arch with easy installer, use Antergos, but since you do things that would mess up manjaro, you would mess Antergos even quicker[19:25:21] *** manjaroi3 is now known as serge_[19:25:51] *** mandje <mandje!~mandje@2001:985:8762:1:5d0d:3e1a:9e55:1e5c> has joined #manjaro[19:25:56] *** serge_ is now known as checz[19:26:11] <m4sk1n> Arch is not really hard. It takes less time to configure it than to make Manjaro working exactly how I want.[19:26:39] <manjaroCinnamon> I'm doing things in an Ubuntu way for now :) will have to study that rolling-release thing, formatting system often will not be a problem in the beginning, as I have a separate /home[19:26:47] <teeneebobby> Do those soldiers behind Trump and listening his speech thinking to themselves...[19:26:53] <teeneebobby> Horseshit... xD[19:27:01] *** napcok <napcok!~napcok@77-255-196-175.adsl.inetia.pl> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[19:27:36] <mike-zal> m4sk1n: true, but still, arch is not step harder from manjaro, it takes a bit knowldge. if someone tries to use debs on manjaro, arch is far, far away[19:28:30] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@89.22.60.192> has joined #manjaro[19:28:33] *** jinsun <jinsun!~jinsun@124.155.252.34> has joined #manjaro[19:29:01] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: the best way to learn it is to use manjaro as it is, by deafult, not messing with it like you are doing now.[19:29:14] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@193.140.198.48> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:29:29] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: and then when you know how it works, you can switch to arch for newer drivers[19:29:37] <mtn> if it ain't broke, you ain't trying hard enough. or is it, if it ain't broke, don't fix it?[19:30:09] <m4sk1n> Manjaro is more user-friendly, I love Manjaro Settings Manager, I'm taking part in translating Manjaro on Transifex, I'm also going to make my own Xfce-based spin just for myself[19:30:27] <manjaroCinnamon> So, basicly, once I have installed, and want my basic stuff like Git, Steam, Spotify etc...Is Pamac the Synaptic equivalent for Manjaro ?[19:31:02] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[19:31:16] <m4sk1n> manjaroCinnamon: yes, but Pamac is much more user-friendly[19:31:16] *** JohnML <JohnML!~quassel@ip-176-199-58-153.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:31:58] <mtn> m4sk1n: uh, really? I sure don't thinks so :P[19:32:02] <m4sk1n> It's something between Synaptic and complex software center like GNOME Software[19:32:15] <m4sk1n> But I think so :D[19:32:22] <mtn> oh, goodie[19:34:13] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqkfkkzmasakbcec> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[19:34:39] *** nuno_nunes <nuno_nunes!~PC@89-181-41-70.net.novis.pt> has joined #manjaro[19:34:54] * teeneebobby will install Pamac on his arch linux install[19:34:56] <teeneebobby> :-p[19:35:02] <teeneebobby> Better than Octopi :-p[19:35:45] <m4sk1n> If it would have everything categorized and ability to send screenshots, it would be perfect[19:36:31] <m4sk1n> Yes, Octopi is not that good in my opinion[19:37:15] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@host-85-26-50-12.dynamic.voo.be> has joined #manjaro[19:37:18] *** zshfu <zshfu!~zshfu@unaffiliated/zshfu> has joined #manjaro[19:37:31] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@host-85-26-50-12.dynamic.voo.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[19:38:02] *** notis <notis!~notis@46.246.225.52.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:38:08] *** notis__ <notis__!~notis@130.43.40.184.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr> has joined #manjaro[19:38:34] <manjaroCinnamon> a last request before clicking on the big "Install" button lol, fonts are not so sharp, it's like (if there are photographers here) if there was a little chromatic aberrations on it, is there a setting to fix that ?[19:40:35] <m4sk1n> manjaroCinnamon: have you installed Infinality patches?[19:41:05] <manjaroCinnamon> m4sk1n, I'm still on the live USB, trying to learn the basics :D[19:41:28] *** manjaro|30236 <manjaro|30236!5fe9505e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.233.80.94> has joined #manjaro[19:41:41] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-44c16b78.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:41:55] *** manjaro|30236 <manjaro|30236!5fe9505e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.233.80.94> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:42:10] <m4sk1n> fontconfig-infinality, freetype2-infinality, cairo-infinality are packages with Infinality patches[19:42:30] <m4sk1n> They are "improving" font rendering[19:43:03] *** nuno_nunes <nuno_nunes!~PC@89-181-41-70.net.novis.pt> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:43:14] <manjaroCinnamon> Ok I'll add that to my todo list once installed so, thx all for your advices and help :) Now it's time to make my PC great again... :D[19:43:23] *** nuno_nunes <nuno_nunes!~PC@89-181-41-70.net.novis.pt> has joined #manjaro[19:44:41] * Jeannie will slap everyone who trumps out loudly that he/she/it will make something great again directly in the face from now on[19:44:51] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:46:10] * manjaroCinnamon just hides in a dark corner waiting for everyone to forget him[19:46:24] <teeneebobby> Trump will make it great again[19:46:33] <Jeannie> Who?[19:46:33] * teeneebobby runs laughing at Jeannie[19:46:36] <teeneebobby> hahahahahahahahahha[19:46:41] <Jeannie> Slap![19:46:53] <Jeannie> https://imgflip.com/i/1i15uz[19:46:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/2Cg86C] Batman Slapping Robin Meme - Imgflip[19:47:42] <teeneebobby> :-p[19:49:02] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@195.142.136.17> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:52:22] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: if you are about to install xfce version, you will have pamac, sort of synaptic but simplier and friendlier. however you must remeber to go into its settings and ENABLE AUR. once you did that, you can install any package you want[19:53:27] <Jeannie> I wonder if someone with the user name manjaroCinnamon will intall xfce[19:53:33] <Jeannie> install even[19:53:48] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: also remeber, if there is package from manjaro repo and in AUR, rather install the one from repo, because it's more manjaro suited. AUR is unsupervised so all kind of bugs may come from that. git is already installed on manjaro as I recall.[19:54:08] <mike-zal> Jeannie: ah, right, didn't notice it ;)[19:54:18] <mike-zal> just been typing man and tab ;P[19:54:40] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: anyway, cinnamon has pamac too so the same applies[19:55:15] <teeneebobby> Jeannie, ;P[19:55:59] <manjaroCinnamon> :p Yes I already activated the AUR stuff because I read a lot of people using it, but I'll use it only when no I'll have no other choice. Yes Cinnamon has Pamac too. (Cinnamon is my favourite, I tried a lot of DE, and everytime I got back to it :) )[19:56:17] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: if you install manjaro from none-free session, you will get the lastes nvidia drivers,, unlike ubuntu where you get with the basic ones and then you need to install newer ones yourself[19:56:18] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:56:36] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[19:56:39] <manjaroCinnamon> I have the default nickname from the live USB, too lazy to put mine lol[19:56:53] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: I have gtx 970 so I got newest drivers as well.[19:57:15] <Jeannie> The newert is 375.26, not available in Manjaro yet[19:57:25] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: sometimes there is too many default nicks and it's hard to type the right nick or find who is who[19:57:28] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:57:30] <Jeannie> newest, can'ttype today, grr[19:57:42] <mike-zal> Jeannie: I meant, newest on manjaro[19:57:46] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[19:58:01] <mike-zal> with ubuntu you get crappy 304 or something like that by deafult[19:58:16] <manjaroCinnamon> Newest beta is 378.09, out yesterday I think.[19:59:06] <mike-zal> people have bad habits coming here from ubuntu, like trying to install newest stuff, while newest is already thre, at least newest for manjaro.[19:59:41] <Jeannie> I did not mean the beta driver[19:59:46] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: you can always switch to testing repos where you get packages quicker, but that can backfire[19:59:48] *** manjaroi3 is now known as avanesov[20:00:19] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: but I have no idea if beta drivers are available for manjaro. never used them.[20:00:34] <manjaroCinnamon> problem is I have a new Nvidia card, and I have a pretty big display problem after a few minutes coming out from sleep mode, so I'm waiting for a driver that fixes it, 375 doesn't :([20:01:03] <Strit_Laptop> manjaroCinnamon: it doesn't?[20:01:06] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: does your screen is turned off and cannot be activated by any means?[20:01:21] <Strit_Laptop> Guess you have to wait for the next stable driver to be released.[20:01:23] <mike-zal> ups. I meant: is your screen turned off?[20:01:41] <mike-zal> I had such bug, but I thought it's ACPI related[20:01:46] *** TwistedFate <TwistedFate!~TwistedFa@unaffiliated/twistedfate> has joined #manjaro[20:02:08] <mike-zal> that is why I disabled screen turning off and problem is gone ;)[20:02:25] <TwistedFate> hello, i am having a problem with system upgrades[20:02:39] <TwistedFate> looking for conflicting packages...[20:02:39] <TwistedFate> :: xorg-server and xf86-input-acecad are in conflict (X-ABI-XINPUT_VERSION). Remove xf86-input-acecad? [y/N][20:02:51] <mike-zal> TwistedFate: answer yes[20:03:06] <mike-zal> TwistedFate: always when updater asks you such things, agree and move on[20:03:16] <TwistedFate> mike-zal, and this one? :: xorg-server and xf86-input-joystick are in conflict (X-ABI-XINPUT_VERSION). Remove xf86-input-joystick? [y/N][20:03:25] <jinsun> y[20:03:29] <mike-zal> TwistedFate: yes and yes :D[20:04:04] <mike-zal> TwistedFate: some packages change names, some are divided, some are joined, ect. this is the consequence[20:04:04] *** theGNU <theGNU!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:04:24] <manjaroCinnamon> No, in fact after a few minutes, every time I have pixel movement on screen (so the bigger the pixel quantity, the worse the effect), I have bands of the main window becoming transparent, and it gets worse and worse if I use it anyway. So I have to logoff/logon to fix it.[20:05:11] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: is this bug present in live version?[20:05:19] <TwistedFate> mike-zal, thanks[20:05:22] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: and is your life free or none free?[20:05:52] *** nuno_nunes <nuno_nunes!~PC@89-181-41-70.net.novis.pt> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:06:06] <mike-zal> TwistedFate: we all had the same set of questions during update and our installation works so no worry, answer yes :)[20:06:37] <manjaroCinnamon> mike-zal, well that's a good point, I didn't tried to put the live usb in sleep mode lol...Doing it right now I'll see in a few minutes if the bug is here.[20:07:03] <mike-zal> TwistedFate: this happens pretty often on manjaro updates. things are not so rigid as in ubuntu/debian, so such changes happen and your system must cope with it.[20:07:29] <ACz> Jeannie: he will even make Manjaro great... maybe not again :>[20:07:44] <ACz> Manjaro never was great ;)[20:08:04] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@dslb-092-078-246-186.092.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:08:19] <mike-zal> ACz: what the hell are you talking about? manjaro IS GREAT already :D[20:09:21] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has joined #manjaro[20:09:22] <ACz> mike-zal: let's just treat that statement with a grain of salt ;)[20:09:38] *** Lowl3v3l_ is now known as Lowl3v3l[20:09:43] *** m712 is now known as theGNU[20:09:49] <mike-zal> ACz: agreed, but great doesn't mean perfect[20:09:52] *** magican <magican!~magican@90-225-28-177-no123.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Battlefield time in Win10 ;)[20:10:10] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@46.146.207.92> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:13:28] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:14:56] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: and? did you try it?[20:15:32] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@179.154.124.39> has joined #manjaro[20:16:26] <manjaroCinnamon> mike-zal, Yes I put the system on sleep mode a few minutes ago, for now it's ok. Finished Manjaro installation so I'll boot it up soon and make more tests :)[20:16:43] <Strit_Laptop> Cool. Hope for the best.[20:18:26] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[20:18:29] *** theGNU <theGNU!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:19:20] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3511.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has left #manjaro[20:20:02] <mike-zal> manjaroCinnamon: what's your computer? pc or laptop?[20:20:22] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has joined #manjaro[20:20:59] <manjaroCinnamon> PC. A (rather) old i5 2.6 at 3 dot 2, 8Go ram, and GTX1060 2 months old :)[20:22:02] <manjaroCinnamon> Rebooting to installed Manjaro, will continue some tests etc...Thank you all for the help :)[20:23:04] *** sroman <sroman!~manjaro-k@186.183.28.6> has joined #manjaro[20:24:31] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@vic03-h02-176-145-45-161.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:27:28] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:30:23] *** m712 <m712!~annoying@2602:ffc5::ffc5:cd91> has joined #manjaro[20:32:53] *** yuta <yuta!~ippan@PPPa3511.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #manjaro[20:32:57] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[20:34:05] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:35:42] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has joined #manjaro[20:37:26] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@ari201.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:37:35] *** tofo1 <tofo1!~tofo1@abzn133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[20:38:17] *** naitsabes <naitsabes!~naitsabes@unaffiliated/naitsabes> has joined #manjaro[20:38:52] <MrLawrence> Hello, my system has not been updated for a while because I cannot get the system to update. Everytime I get this error message http://pastebin.com/WugjXyaP I really need to update my system. I need some specific features out of some programs. I want to fix this, what can I do?[20:38:53] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/4lPx5A] : Synchronizing package databases... core is up to date extra - Pastebin.com[20:39:30] <MrLawrence> If it helps, I'm running kernel x86_64 Linux 4.8.14-1-MANJARO[20:42:46] *** naitsabes <naitsabes!~naitsabes@unaffiliated/naitsabes> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:43:40] <inahd> is it just me, or am i noticing newer laptop with dual core processors...[20:44:08] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> has joined #manjaro[20:44:29] <negen_> i think that you do not need acecad and joystick[20:44:42] <negen_> and probably need to remove and reinstall the nvidia bits[20:45:06] <teeneebobby> https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy[20:45:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/OhwQZh] An America First Energy Plan | whitehouse.gov[20:46:02] <inahd> like, someone is selling a lenovo t420 i5, but its a dual core?[20:46:13] <jinsun> MrLawrence: if you are using linux48 then you can remove linux47-nvidia which is causing the conflict[20:46:47] <Jeannie> Removing the nvidia package manually is no good idea[20:47:25] <negen_> dell has some 2017 models with the 5200u cpu which is a dual core i5[20:48:28] <Strit_Laptop> Kernel 4.8 is EOL now, better upgrade to 4.9 or downgrade to 4.4.[20:48:47] <Strit_Laptop> Since gfx modules will no longer be updated for it.[20:49:10] <Strit_Laptop> And remove linux47[20:52:05] <gebruiker> how closely does manjaro xfce track arch ?[20:52:13] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@host-85-26-50-12.dynamic.voo.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:52:20] <gebruiker> it seems that xfce terminal in manjaro is different from arch[20:52:28] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@vic03-h02-176-145-45-161.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr> has joined #manjaro[20:53:01] *** dodgejcr <dodgejcr!~dodgejcr@24-40-239-211.fidnet.com> has joined #manjaro[20:53:38] *** dodgejcr <dodgejcr!~dodgejcr@24-40-239-211.fidnet.com> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:53:38] *** dodgejcr <dodgejcr!~dodgejcr@unaffiliated/dodgejcr> has joined #manjaro[20:53:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v dodgejcr[20:54:51] <Strit_Laptop> only difference is settings and maybe version numbers.[20:56:21] <gebruiker> I pulled the vertex mia xfce theme from github and the terminal looks all distroted while other apps look fine. Regular vertex works fine and so do other themes. I know that xfce term dev updates regularly so i was wondeirng what the version differences are...[20:57:03] *** Kjeldmis <Kjeldmis!~ckk@62.66.164.82> has quit IRC (Quit: Kjeldmis)[20:57:05] *** eloaders <eloaders!~eloaders@abtp65.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:57:56] *** manjaroCinnamon is now known as Mikerhinos[20:59:31] *** checz <checz!~manjaro-i@200.57.102.182> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[20:59:58] <rhg135> Yo[21:00:05] <Strit_Laptop> It's probably the same as on Arch. xfce term does not update that often.[21:00:51] *** eloaders <eloaders!~eloaders@abtp65.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[21:01:58] <Strit_Laptop> Just checked. xfce4-terminal versions are the same.[21:02:22] <gebruiker> hmm odd... any guesses on why the mismatch with the theme?[21:02:40] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[21:03:01] *** jinsun <jinsun!~jinsun@124.155.252.34> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:03:09] <gebruiker> is the github theme https://github.com/manjaro/artwork-vertex-maia/tree/master/Vertex-Maia not updated on this github?[21:03:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bqun05] artwork-vertex-maia/Vertex-Maia at master · manjaro/artwork-vertex-maia · GitHub[21:03:13] <Strit_Laptop> Nope. Maybe the theme just misses it?[21:03:37] <gebruiker> the menu bar fonts get all crippled up and the space in between each letter dissapears[21:03:41] <avanesov> maybe theme just corupted? Try another[21:03:53] <gebruiker> other themes work fine[21:04:23] <Strit_Laptop> maia github repo was last updated in March I see. So maybe it's not gtk 3.20 compatible.[21:04:30] <avanesov> so, that theme what you want to install is corupted[21:04:37] <Jeannie> The joys of GTK3 theming[21:06:06] <rhg135> There's a package for it and it's working fine for me[21:06:18] <gebruiker> looking for the source now...[21:06:42] <Strit_Laptop> gebruiker: did you install the package in the repo? That one should work.[21:06:55] *** chomwitt1 <chomwitt1!~chomwitt@ppp-94-67-201-136.home.otenet.gr> has joined #manjaro[21:07:02] <gebruiker> Strit_Laptop: no i pulled from github, will look at the repo package now[21:07:53] <Strit_Laptop> Yeah, install and use that one instead.[21:08:43] *** checz <checz!~checz@200.57.102.182> has joined #manjaro[21:08:58] *** checz <checz!~checz@200.57.102.182> has left #manjaro[21:09:10] *** chomwitt <chomwitt!~chomwitt@ppp-94-69-219-80.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:09:45] <avanesov> guys i have a question about 2 videocard.. So i have a notebook that comes with two cards, intel 3000 and ATI 6300M, any chanсe for work with both or not?[21:10:36] <avanesov> or better not try at all?)[21:10:36] <rhg135> Strit_Laptop: xfce apps use gtk2, no?[21:11:01] <Strit_Laptop> avanesov: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/manjaro-amd-card/7809/14[21:11:02] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/NLUAc7] Manjaro + AMD card - Hardware - Manjaro[21:11:10] <Strit_Laptop> rhg135: some use gtk2 some use gtk3.[21:11:17] <rhg135> Oi[21:11:23] <rhg135> What a mess[21:11:29] <Jeannie> Indeed[21:12:05] <Strit_Laptop> Yep, next xfce release will probably be complete gtk3 rewrite. Same as MATE.[21:12:32] <avanesov> thy, smoke some man[21:13:06] <Jeannie> Next xfce release? In 2020, when GTK4 will be around?[21:13:10] <rhg135> Yay[21:13:14] <Strit_Laptop> yep :P[21:13:21] <rhg135> But yes...[21:13:22] <avanesov> GTK[21:13:28] <avanesov> 4oO[21:13:30] <rhg135> Gtk6[21:13:47] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-44c16b78.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[21:13:55] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~quassel@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:14:26] <avanesov> https://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2016/06/13/gtk-4-0-is-not-gtk-4/[21:14:31] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/316G6Y] “Gtk 4.0 is not Gtk 4” – desrt blog (Allison Lortie)[21:14:37] <avanesov> =))[21:14:37] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~quassel@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[21:17:38] <avanesov> someboy use telegram-cli or alternatives?[21:18:30] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@179.154.124.39> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:19:04] *** Sanderski <Sanderski!~kamil@87-207-166-36.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #manjaro[21:20:56] *** MrLawrence <MrLawrence!~MrLawrenc@unaffiliated/mrlawrence> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:24:54] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-44c16b78.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[21:25:11] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-44c16b78.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[21:26:11] *** nicholasf <nicholasf!~nicholasf@58-7-128-75.dyn.iinet.net.au> has joined #manjaro[21:27:04] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[21:27:26] *** gothicsouth <gothicsouth!~gothicsou@cpe-76-177-64-121.natcky.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[21:27:35] *** magican <magican!~magican@90-225-28-177-no123.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #manjaro[21:29:18] *** jinsun <jinsun!~jinsun@124.155.252.34> has joined #manjaro[21:30:31] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-44c16b78.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[21:32:19] *** manjaro-web|4986 <manjaro-web|4986!54e097ed@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.224.151.237> has joined #manjaro[21:32:58] <manjaro-web|4986> hi guys, shouldn't manjaro set the default language and layout at installation and use it in the next login?[21:33:23] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~quassel@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:33:25] *** eloaders <eloaders!~eloaders@abtp65.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:33:29] <Strit_Laptop> It installs the language you had the live session in.[21:34:30] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has joined #manjaro[21:34:46] *** gebruiker <gebruiker!~gebruiker@77.172.237.233> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:34:51] <manjaro-web|4986> oh, I needed to chrot into my system to change the password and update the locales because I couldn't type it in "en_US..."[21:35:31] <manjaro-web|4986> also, what's it with manjaro, grub and the kernel panic when I've another distro on another partition?[21:36:02] <Strit_Laptop> Do you use manjaro's grub?[21:36:18] <manjaro-web|4986> yep[21:36:25] <manjaro-web|4986> grub 2.02~beta[21:36:32] <manjaro-web|4986> installed it ~1 hour ago[21:36:43] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@31.13.14.34> has joined #manjaro[21:36:51] <manjaro-web|4986> I've followed the instructions setting the boot loader partition but I can't boot without fallback mode[21:37:21] <Strit_Laptop> Tried another kernel?[21:37:50] <manjaro-web|4986> yep, booted with the latest available from the advanced options[21:38:06] <Strit_Laptop> Other than 4.4?[21:38:52] <manjaro-web|4986> this is what I'm on right now:[21:39:09] <manjaro-web|4986> https://thepasteb.in/p/O7h5zzERL84Uq[21:39:11] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/N5NqRd] ThePasteBin - For all your pasting needs![21:39:16] *** jinsun <jinsun!~jinsun@124.155.252.34> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:39:39] <Strit_Laptop> yeah, that's 4.4, try installing another kernel and booting that?[21:40:33] <manjaro-web|4986> no, this is what WORKS, the default is what DOESN'T, because it goes to kernel panic with a similar error: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/kernel-panic-not-syncing-vfs-unable-to-mount-root-fs-on-unknown-block-0-0/4620[21:40:34] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/XFNdVe] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) - Installation - Manjaro[21:40:45] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[21:40:45] *** kht <kht!~koch@unaffiliated/kht> has joined #manjaro[21:41:18] <Strit_Laptop> You just said kernel 4.4 does not work? I'm confused....[21:41:37] <Strit_Laptop> The default on manjaro 16.10.3 is kernel 4.4[21:42:02] <manjaro-web|4986> No, at the advanced option you can choose several version from 4.4, and the default(efi.signed) will get a k panic[21:42:25] <manjaro-web|4986> the fallback mode(initramfs) is what I'm on right now[21:42:25] *** ringos <ringos!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[21:42:31] <Strit_Laptop> But it's still kernel 4.4. I'm asking you to try another kernel. Like 4.9.[21:42:33] *** ringo32 <ringo32!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[21:43:29] <manjaro-web|4986> is the 4.9.2-1 stable?[21:43:42] <Strit_Laptop> I'm using 4.9. No issues here.[21:44:51] <manjaro-web|4986> awesome, are you a developer here?[21:45:10] <Strit_Laptop> no. I'm the torrent maintainer.[21:46:43] *** kht <kht!~koch@unaffiliated/kht> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:47:20] <Mikerhinos> tried Manjaro on the live USB, working fine. Installed, reboot, black screen with cursor on Manjaro boot after logo :([21:47:51] <manjaro-web|4986> so, you're an insider, is the grub+other distro incident a common case?[21:48:19] <Strit_Laptop> Manjaro uses a special grub config, so manjaro won't boot on other distro's grubs.[21:52:03] <manjaro-web|4986> ok, so somehow it managed to default to a faulty kernel...[21:52:50] <manjaro-web|4986> I'm installing 4.9.2; can we tell calamares to setup locale-gen at the installation?[21:53:30] <Strit_Laptop> Not sure, I've never tried, but it has a locale setting screen.[21:55:05] <manjaro-web|4986> I remember I've used that, but it was on the live's scope...[21:56:15] <manjaro-web|4986> it's pretty frightening that vi[m] is missing from manjaro :D[21:58:29] *** kht <kht!~koch@pool-173-52-74-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[21:58:49] <Strit_Laptop> Manjaro just uses nano instead. Vim is not missing, you can install it.[21:59:15] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.161.43> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:00:19] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:00:31] *** teeneebobby <teeneebobby!~champ@2604:880:a:7::f9c> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - http://znc.in)[22:02:18] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~manjaro@28.70.7.188.rev.sfr.net> has joined #manjaro[22:02:39] *** Ridbowt <Ridbowt!~Ridbowt@91.214.69.11> has joined #manjaro[22:02:40] <manjaro-web|4986> yep, but as "missing" I've meant that almost all distros come with a preinstalled vi, so I've choosen the less+sed combo...[22:02:56] *** Manj-1611-Lxqt <Manj-1611-Lxqt!~manjaro@28.70.7.188.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:03:41] <Strit_Laptop> Never used Vim. Maybe nano is just more user friendly?[22:04:01] <dodgejcr> hrm, alot of distros dont come with vi or vim. Most come with nano as the default.[22:04:07] <manjaro-web|4986> depends on perspectives/preferences[22:04:22] <manjaro-web|4986> debian, redhat have vi[22:04:41] <manjaro-web|4986> even arch has vi[22:04:42] <dodgejcr> debian and redhat =! almost all[22:04:55] <dodgejcr> manjaro comes with vi[22:04:57] <manjaro-web|4986> but they're the base distro, you know what I mean[22:05:12] <Jeannie> Arch has vi when you install it[22:05:36] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[22:06:35] <manjaro-web|4986> what are your favourite terminals on manjaro?[22:07:29] <dodgejcr> urxvt[22:07:50] <Strit_Laptop> TTY[22:08:00] <dodgejcr> lol pshhh[22:08:03] *** Ridbowt <Ridbowt!~Ridbowt@91.214.69.11> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:08:22] <Strit_Laptop> konsole is nice though, but with TTY you know what you get.[22:08:41] *** linkfury <linkfury!6de50035@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.229.0.53> has joined #manjaro[22:09:26] <dodgejcr> been using deepin-terminal in this deepin install and I like it[22:09:36] <dodgejcr> that and terminology from enlightenment is nice[22:10:00] <linkfury> can some one help me?[22:10:23] <dodgejcr> linkfury: we dont know, ask your question. If someone can help, they will respond[22:10:25] <linkfury> I am trying to install Manjaro, but when trying to instal it with calmares installlator[22:10:44] <linkfury> but in a last steps it's just disappears and that's all[22:12:45] <dodgejcr> only suggestion I have is run the installer from the terminal and when it does dissapear it should give you an error message[22:13:10] <dodgejcr> Im not too familiar with that installer so I dont know what the steps are or where that failure is :/[22:13:19] *** ringos <ringos!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:13:26] <linkfury> can you please tell what exact command starts the proccess of installation from a terminal?[22:13:35] *** ringo32 <ringo32!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:13:44] <dodgejcr> dont know the exact command, probably calamares[22:14:08] <dodgejcr> will also need to run it as root or with sudo[22:15:15] *** linkfury 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