January 2, 2017 
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January 2, 2017 [00:00:25] <Nytram> Why would you think of using it on a drive?[00:00:46] <binaryplease> Nytram: to check if the installation media is fine[00:00:52] *** nramirezuy <nramirezuy!~nramirezu@r167-62-191-247.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:00:54] <nicklas_> anyone knows how to solve the white text on white text fields in firefox?[00:00:58] <stibbi> nicklas_, https://i.imgur.com/TTCRlei.png[00:00:59] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/D1awhY] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[00:00:59] *** rmx77 <rmx77!~rmx77@c-76-104-254-218.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[00:01:20] <stibbi> that's how it looks for me atm[00:01:47] <Nytram> binaryplease, I suggest you look at this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sha1sum[00:01:48] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/EfXN4J] sha1sum - Wikipedia[00:01:53] <nicklas_> stibbi: that was tiny[00:02:04] <stibbi> yep[00:03:05] <nicklas_> sry, meant, anyone knows how to solve the white text on white text fields in firefox when using the vertex-maia-dark theme?[00:03:45] <stibbi> nicklas_, do you have an example`[00:03:47] <stibbi> ?[00:03:57] <nicklas_> example of what?[00:04:17] <stibbi> show me a page with a text field you have problems with[00:05:12] *** Nytram <Nytram!~Nytram@2a02:c7f:3a1d:800:11a:284d:5282:85cd> has quit IRC (Quit: I've had enough of this milarky... I'm off to do something more interesting instead...)[00:05:20] *** stiky <stiky!~manjaro-b@d173-183-66-39.bchsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:05:42] <nicklas_> hm, its on many places[00:05:48] <nicklas_> facebook and others[00:06:02] <stibbi> google?[00:06:52] <nicklas_> no[00:06:54] <nicklas_> omegle[00:07:19] *** nramirezuy <nramirezuy!~nramirezu@r167-62-99-95.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[00:07:35] <stibbi> oh, I can see[00:07:39] <nicklas_> maybe its just an issue with that site[00:07:55] <binaryplease> nicklas_: I had that problem with stylish/greasemonkey/other extensions in combination with dark gtk themes. Do you have any of those?[00:08:09] <nicklas_> none[00:08:18] <nicklas_> dont use any extensions[00:08:23] <nicklas_> flash ofc[00:08:26] *** lambda-11235 <lambda-11235!~lambda-11@64.113.171.118> has joined #manjaro[00:08:26] <stibbi> same for me[00:08:28] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@31.223.40.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:08:44] <stibbi> but only in firefox[00:08:50] <stibbi> chromium is fine[00:10:10] <binaryplease> stibbi: I just reinstalled. Same issue[00:10:31] <binaryplease> Chose the nonfree drivers this time , but no chang[00:10:33] <binaryplease> change[00:10:47] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@74.91.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt> has joined #manjaro[00:11:01] <stibbi> binaryplease, that's pretty weird.[00:11:02] *** manjaro-kde5- is now known as SubZ3ro[00:11:26] <stibbi> which iso did you use?[00:11:27] *** NNN <NNN!~test@176-119-66-234.broadband.tenet.odessa.ua> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:11:54] <binaryplease> xfce 64[00:12:47] <binaryplease> downloaded it from the official homepage[00:13:28] <stibbi> binaryplease, what was your hardware again? Lenovo B570?[00:13:39] <binaryplease> stibbi: yes[00:14:42] *** Celgost <Celgost!~Celgos7@psz34-1-88-167-224-119.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[00:15:08] *** glsmaxx <glsmaxx!~glsmaxx@66-38-102-195.pool.dsl.nctc.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:16:43] *** nramirezuy <nramirezuy!~nramirezu@r167-62-99-95.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:17:08] <nicklas_> what is the issue?[00:18:16] <binaryplease> nicklas_: I cant login to a fresh installed system and dont the xserver started[00:19:03] <binaryplease> nicklas_: as soon as I enter user and password at a tty I show "last login ..." for a second and jumps back to the login prompt[00:19:43] <binaryplease> if I start a live cd and manjaro-chroot into the system, running "su" gives me a segmentation fault[00:19:58] <nicklas_> very strange[00:20:08] <nicklas_> have you tried any other dists on that system?[00:20:18] *** manjaroDeepin <manjaroDeepin!~Manjaro-D@201.208.203.230> has joined #manjaro[00:20:22] <nicklas_> also, to the devs, where do you report bugs?[00:20:29] *** manjaroDeepin <manjaroDeepin!~Manjaro-D@201.208.203.230> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:20:51] <nicklas_> a theme that comes installed as default, should support the programs that comes as default[00:21:05] <nicklas_> so the theme should work with firefox, no? :-)[00:21:34] <stibbi> binaryplease, do you have any other distro by hand which you could install for testing purposes?[00:22:11] <stibbi> I installed Manjaro-XFCE on a notebook and a PC today and did not have any problem at all. Might be a hardware issue.[00:22:48] <ringo> huh AMD?[00:23:03] <binaryplease> stibbi: Yes, arch linux[00:24:03] <stibbi> do you have the same issues with "native" arch?[00:24:47] *** inahd <inahd!~inahd@c-68-81-229-78.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:25:03] <binaryplease> I will try[00:25:03] <ringo> which iso version?[00:25:21] <binaryplease> ringo: the manjaro iso is the newest[00:25:32] <binaryplease> just downloaded it[00:27:19] *** zshfu <zshfu!~zshfu@unaffiliated/zshfu> has quit IRC (Quit: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)[00:28:08] <nicklas_> cani have missed some package? i uninstalled firefox and removed all deps, and then installed chrome after that, when i installed manjaro some time ago[00:28:28] <nicklas_> could that be the reason why some text fields have white text?[00:28:32] *** redfern <redfern!b8619fad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.97.159.173> has joined #manjaro[00:28:41] <nicklas_> or is the firefox package a meta package?[00:29:38] <ringo> what is inxi -G ?[00:34:23] <binaryplease> ringo: I can that on the live system http://pastebin.com/kDT3eHkk[00:34:24] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/cIaupJ] Graphics: Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics - Pastebin.com[00:34:48] <nicklas_> is there some way to see how long youve had your system installed?[00:35:12] <ringo> just whas curius what the latest iso got :)[00:35:35] <binaryplease> nicklas_: I dont know, but about half an hour[00:35:36] <ringo> look at firefox themes?[00:35:42] <d42> nicklas_: afaik, nothing obvious ,_,[00:36:09] <nicklas_> i want to know if this is the dist ive had installed for the longest time[00:36:16] <nicklas_> but dont remember when i installed it[00:36:20] <nicklas_> nvm[00:36:36] <nicklas_> i installed it in august or september maybe[00:36:47] <nicklas_> but ran it before the summer[00:37:05] <nicklas_> yup, the longest surviving dist i think :-P[00:38:57] <binaryplease> Could it be a problem with bash? Running "bash" in chroot segfaults[00:41:29] *** Mati <Mati!~matus@95.170.225.77> has joined #manjaro[00:45:06] *** Mati <Mati!~matus@95.170.225.77> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:46:47] <stibbi> binaryplease, have you tried the arch installation yet? Just to confirm if it's a general issue on your hardware or if it's something specific to Manjaro.[00:47:00] <binaryplease> stibbi: Im on it[00:47:23] <stibbi> binaryplease, ah okay :)[00:48:19] *** CupOfCoffee <CupOfCoffee!~Youri@145.130.120.226> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:51:13] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@85.108.111.111> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:51:20] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@85.108.111.111> has joined #manjaro[00:56:05] *** tripped <tripped!~trip@c-73-221-22-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[01:07:25] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@mtrlpq2911w-lp130-01-184-144-250-211.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[01:07:34] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@mtrlpq2911w-lp130-01-184-144-250-211.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:17:11] <stibbi> binaryplease, everything allright? :)[01:18:18] <binaryplease> stibbi: My arch install media was too old, and failed. Im trying the net version of manjaro[01:18:37] <stibbi> okay[01:18:53] <binaryplease> I suppose if it works, I can just add a desktop[01:20:10] <stibbi> of course[01:20:33] <binaryplease> I am now at the bootloader isntall step[01:20:40] <binaryplease> should I choose bios?[01:21:27] <binaryplease> the windows 7 drive has a msdos partition table[01:21:35] <binaryplease> the new manjaro one should tpp[01:21:36] <binaryplease> too[01:22:44] <stibbi> sorry, i don't know the installation process of the net install iso. haven't used it before.[01:22:53] <stibbi> what are the options you can choose from?[01:23:30] <binaryplease> uefi uefi64 and bios[01:23:57] <binaryplease> I set the partiotion table to msdos in previous steps[01:25:07] <stibbi> uefi or bios has nothing to do with your type of partitioning[01:25:28] <stibbi> do you know if your system is a uefi system?[01:26:18] <binaryplease> The system supports uefi[01:26:46] <stibbi> could you try that command and tell me the output? "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS"[01:26:50] <stibbi> without the quotes[01:27:56] *** will_sm <will_sm!~will-medr@2601:647:4601:ea84:e833:b386:961:97b9> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:28:12] <binaryplease> it says uefi[01:28:27] <stibbi> okay[01:28:53] <stibbi> I would say uefi64 is the way to go then.[01:29:27] <binaryplease> ok[01:34:47] <binaryplease> stibbi: "efivars kernel module was not loaded properly. Manually load ir and create a boot entry for DISC /dev/sdb , PART 2 abd LOADER \EFI\manjaro_grub\grubx64.efi , in UEFI Boot Manager using efibootmgr."[01:35:10] <binaryplease> after that it says it was installed correctly though[01:35:55] <stibbi> hmm, doesn't sound very promising :/[01:36:10] <binaryplease> doesnt work :( I get into grub rescue mode[01:36:24] <binaryplease> no such device: 123123123123-123123123-123123-1232[01:36:32] <binaryplease> (not the actual numbers)[01:40:07] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:40:10] <stibbi> did you follow these instructions for uefi installation? https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=UEFI_-_Install_Guide[01:40:12] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Yqkgpf] UEFI - Install Guide - Manjaro Linux[01:40:31] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[01:40:43] <stibbi> you need the /boot/efi partition/mount point[01:41:31] <stibbi> but to be honest, that's way too much effort at the moment. I would still suggest trying another distro to have a look if it's something hardware related.[01:41:41] *** LissajousPattern <LissajousPattern!~Lissajous@unaffiliated/lissajouspattern> has joined #manjaro[01:42:08] <LissajousPattern> o/[01:42:14] <stibbi> o/[01:42:52] <binaryplease> stibbi: Yeah, its getting late. I'll try again with a different stick, and let it download something else overnight for tomorrow if it doesent work[01:43:06] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@187.107.246.244> has joined #manjaro[01:43:28] *** Preto <Preto!~sebastian@p2003007FCF1A450049290C12F54C4987.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:43:28] <stibbi> good idea. I don't think it's worth the effort as long as we don't know what's going on fo sure.[01:43:56] <LissajousPattern> Happy New Year to all[01:44:31] <stibbi> LissajousPattern, thank you and I wish you a happy new year too. :)[01:44:42] <LissajousPattern> thanks[01:45:13] *** Askannz <Askannz!~Askannz@118.200.155.76> has joined #manjaro[01:46:20] *** rmx77 <rmx77!~rmx77@c-76-104-254-218.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:47:34] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@192-164-7-12.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[01:48:32] *** LissajousPattern <LissajousPattern!~Lissajous@unaffiliated/lissajouspattern> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:48:37] <lambda-11235> If you stop pacman in the middle of package downloads, will it redownload them when you try downloads again?[01:49:41] <NanoSector> yes[01:50:07] <NanoSector> don't stop it in the middle of package installs though[01:50:18] <nicklas_> lambda-11235: yes, if you stop during download of packages, but not if you stop in the middle of upgrade process[01:50:26] *** rmx77 <rmx77!~rmx77@c-76-104-254-218.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[01:50:56] <nicklas_> if you do that, you have to remove a file to be able to continue the update[01:51:36] <NanoSector> just don't do it, it's very bad practice[01:52:45] <binaryplease> stibbi: IT WORKS ![01:52:50] *** terids <terids!4d67e257@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.103.226.87> has joined #manjaro[01:52:51] *** elh9 <elh9!~manjaro-k@14-203-177-213.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:53:01] <binaryplease> Just installed with normal manjaro from a different stick[01:54:23] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@177.23.57.43> has joined #manjaro[01:54:53] <terids> guys i have this terrible problem. when i hit the enter key in firefox address bar....nothing happens :O this is a clean install of manjaro and the standard firefox that comes with it. any suggestions? :)[01:55:52] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@177.23.57.43> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:56:56] <stibbi> binaryplease: HA, glad for you that you got it running. :-)[01:57:17] <stibbi> usb sticks are eeeevil. :-)[01:59:03] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@24.214.66.195> has joined #manjaro[01:59:53] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3EB6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:00:44] <stibbi> terids: any firefox addons installed?[02:00:50] <terids> none[02:01:18] <stibbi> is it only firefox or are other browsers showing the same behaviour?[02:01:30] *** LissajousPattern <LissajousPattern!~Lissajous@unaffiliated/lissajouspattern> has joined #manjaro[02:02:06] <terids> i haven't tried another browser to be honest[02:02:41] <terids> the only thing i could find regarding this issue was a windows user, but they had it set to run in compatibility mode, turning that off fixed it for them.[02:02:57] *** eNTi <eNTi!~eNTi@194-166-139-133.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:03:19] <stibbi> does it never work? or for example only when you copy/paste something into the address bar?[02:04:28] <terids> never works. really strange, never had that bug before[02:04:47] <stibbi> can you tell me the exact FF version you are running?[02:05:55] <terids> 50.0[02:06:52] <stibbi> is this a fresh manjaro installation?[02:06:58] <terids> yep[02:07:07] <terids> but i did run the updater[02:07:07] <stibbi> did you already update your installation?[02:07:10] <terids> yep[02:07:16] <stibbi> my version is 50.1.0 after the last update[02:07:20] <terids> oh weird[02:07:39] <terids> let me check[02:08:06] <terids> ok in the package manager it says 50.1.0-1[02:08:50] <stibbi> as your installed version?[02:09:00] <terids> yep[02:09:06] <stibbi> but if you start it, it says 50.0?[02:09:13] <terids> the 50.0 came from firefox's "about" popup[02:09:27] *** aspirit <aspirit!~manjaro-k@cpe-104-175-161-232.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[02:10:13] <d42> have you tried turning it off and on again :^))[02:10:19] <terids> yes haha :D[02:10:23] <stibbi> :D[02:10:34] *** lambda-11235 <lambda-11235!~lambda-11@64.113.171.118> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[02:11:04] <LissajousPattern> sorry i missed the post of the actual problem you were having with FF. what is the issue?[02:11:30] <terids> just that the enter button isn't working in the address bar[02:11:39] <LissajousPattern> oh weird[02:11:47] <terids> very :D[02:11:52] <stibbi> terids: could you please try that: http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable-hardware-acceleration-gpu-rendering-in-mozilla-firefox-4-0-to-fix-font-problem/[02:11:54] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/hT9G2f] [Tip] Disable Hardware Acceleration in Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird to Fix Font and Crashing Problems - AskVG[02:12:02] <stibbi> look for the about:config part[02:13:27] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has joined #manjaro[02:13:55] <terids> will go try now, brb :)[02:14:07] <stibbi> kk :)[02:14:15] *** terids <terids!4d67e257@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.103.226.87> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[02:14:29] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[02:14:49] *** terids <terids!4d67e257@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.103.226.87> has joined #manjaro[02:15:07] <terids> So disabling hardware acceleration and restarting firefox seemed to fix it. Very strange[02:15:16] <terids> thanks very much for the help guys :)[02:15:24] <stibbi> np[02:15:37] <terids> ps. Manjaro is a very nice distro, can't believe I didn't try it before[02:15:50] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.137.90> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:16:05] <LissajousPattern> tell your frienda[02:16:07] <stibbi> same for me. just installed it today for the first time. :)[02:16:38] <LissajousPattern> its definitely one of the better ones[02:16:41] <terids> hehe nice :D I have debian on my server but need something more...up-to-date for desktop use. finally might be able to put windows to rest (they messed up big time with 10)[02:17:26] *** notis__ <notis__!~notis@46.246.135.8.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[02:17:34] <stibbi> I hope it won't break as often as my Arch installs. Even if it was my fault most of the time. I don't have enough spare time to fix problems on my main systems. :-)[02:18:33] <terids> same here. i actually fought with arch for a good 10+ hours today trying to get my USB DAC to work. Everything up and running on Manj in less than an hour :D[02:19:23] *** Askannz <Askannz!~Askannz@118.200.155.76> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:20:00] <stibbi> hehe, I'm a big fan of the rolling release model. 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I've just switched to Wicd and I don't want to break anything.[02:48:45] <terids> iiiii think ill reboot[02:48:49] *** terids <terids!4d67e257@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.103.226.87> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[02:49:56] <nicklas_> roch: no idea, sry[02:50:30] <roch> nicklas_, kk, I will figure it out ;)[02:51:40] *** terids <terids!4d67e257@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.103.226.87> has joined #manjaro[02:51:42] <nicklas_> :-D[02:52:18] <terids> so installing the lid-32 something something and rebooting solved the steam launch issue :)[02:52:20] <terids> lib*[02:55:26] <roch> gj![02:56:09] <terids> lets see what else I can break...[03:01:49] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@24.214.66.195> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:03:07] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~rober@unaffiliated/countryfiedlinux> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:05:20] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> 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I'm having some problems with my graphics cards[11:33:34] *** nikos_prinio <nikos_prinio!~Nikos@2a01:e35:2e93:a290:30da:a7e:97e4:1c9e> has joined #manjaro[11:33:48] <tme> (╯ರ ~ ರ）╯︵ ┻━┻[11:33:50] *** binaryplease <binaryplease!~binaryple@xdsl-78-34-143-161.netcologne.de> has joined #manjaro[11:34:06] *** binaryplease <binaryplease!~binaryple@xdsl-78-34-143-161.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:34:10] <skokkk> primusrun glxspheres64 gives -> Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0". - same for normal glxspheres64[11:40:01] <skokkk> anybody??[11:40:09] *** prillian5 <prillian5!~prillian5@2001-4dd4-f736-0-53-8473-e2f1-67cc.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has joined #manjaro[11:42:23] *** nikos_prinio <nikos_prinio!~Nikos@2a01:e35:2e93:a290:30da:a7e:97e4:1c9e> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[11:44:38] *** fluffy <fluffy!7a6b7f8e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.122.107.127.142> has joined #manjaro[11:46:23] <skokkk> nvidia-settings isn't picking up all my screens[11:48:43] <fluffy> hay dose anyone know how to install netflix on linux manjaro[11:48:58] <fluffy> i have looked around and cant find a way \[11:49:01] *** skokkk <skokkk!~manjaro-i@unaffiliated/skokkk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:49:27] <fluffy> or at least to get it to work in chromiun[11:53:17] *** fluffy <fluffy!7a6b7f8e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.122.107.127.142> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[11:53:44] *** fluffy <fluffy!7a6b7f8e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.122.107.127.142> has joined #manjaro[11:54:18] *** fluffy <fluffy!7a6b7f8e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.122.107.127.142> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:59:47] *** CupOfCoffee <CupOfCoffee!~Youri@145.130.120.226> has joined #manjaro[12:03:57] <thid> fluffy[12:04:07] <thid> ah hes gone[12:05:38] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:e70e:8452:864:ebd> has joined #manjaro[12:05:49] <ringo> thid, oh thid is stil here :)[12:06:27] *** 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https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKDYkuIU49H1zRm/giphy-downsized-large.gif[12:53:45] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/D7bLVe] (not a web page, content type: image/gif)[12:53:55] *** elh9 <elh9!~elh9@gateway/tor-sasl/elh9> has joined #manjaro[12:54:10] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[12:58:06] <negen> what is that guy asking about installing netflix ?[12:58:12] <negen> isn't netflix a service ?[12:58:29] <negen> I do not understand how one would install a service ?[13:01:00] *** `Eddie <`Eddie!~dedword@unaffiliated/eddie/x-2286721> has joined #manjaro[13:01:03] <bugzbunny> hmm[13:01:05] <ringo> negen, ?[13:01:36] <negen> <fluffy> hay dose anyone know how to install netflix on linux manjaro[13:01:36] <negen> <fluffy> i have looked around and cant find a way \[13:06:57] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@218-173-105-143.dynamic.hinet.net> has joined #manjaro[13:07:02] *** LissajousPattern 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ifgem[13:30:50] <negen> at lest now I can take a break from sql[13:30:52] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@176.234.125.28> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:30:58] <ifgem> I have some problems with dual boot(windows, manjaro xfce): windows boot is set in ntfs, so I can't check esp flag:)[13:31:03] <ifgem> What should I do:)?[13:31:24] <ringo> you upgraded windws?[13:31:39] <ringo> thought efi wat Fat32[13:31:42] <ringo> was*[13:32:40] *** CupOfCoffee-PC <CupOfCoffee-PC!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:32:57] <ifgem> ringo, I'm a big noobie:)). Here's a screenshot of my partition http://imgur.com/a/BXbGo[13:32:58] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/NVmKfM] Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet[13:32:59] *** CupOfCoffee-PC <CupOfCoffee-PC!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has joined #manjaro[13:33:09] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@154-061-210-188.ip-addr.inexio.net> has joined #manjaro[13:33:55] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@154-061-210-188.ip-addr.inexio.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:33:55] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@176.234.125.28> has joined #manjaro[13:33:59] <negen> I think your pc is drinking too much vodka's it seems to have forgotten how to speak english[13:34:03] <ringo> ifgem, you have problem with manjaro install?[13:34:13] <ifgem> negen:)))[13:34:27] <ifgem> ringo, yes I can't check esp flag[13:34:45] <negen> I have never heard of a esp flag[13:35:03] <ringo> but you can get grub ?[13:35:34] <negen> that black partition is unallocated space should be enough to install manjaro into that[13:36:40] <ringo> 345 mb?[13:36:41] <ringo> lol[13:36:50] <ifgem> negen, I guess it'd be better to give you manjaro install screenshot. I'll be back in a minute:)[13:36:51] <negen> is that only mb[13:37:05] <negen> my vodkaish is kinda bad[13:37:45] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/pseudonoob> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:37:53] <negen> I think you need to get a bigger partition[13:37:58] *** CupOfCoffee-PC <CupOfCoffee-PC!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:38:01] <negen> if it is only 345MB[13:38:15] *** ifgem <ifgem!1fa3fea1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.31.163.254.161> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[13:38:21] *** CupOfCoffee-PC <CupOfCoffee-PC!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has joined #manjaro[13:38:28] *** rethus <rethus!~prillian5@xdsl-81-173-169-196.netcologne.de> has joined #manjaro[13:38:44] *** CupOfCoffee-PC <CupOfCoffee-PC!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:38:55] <ringo> was about the Bootload Esp of windows[13:38:56] *** prillian5 <prillian5!~prillian5@2001-4dd4-f736-0-53-8473-e2f1-67cc.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:39:01] <negen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlVNxL7J92M[13:39:02] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/tkthf3] 17:57 of Laugh WHY WE LOVE RUSSIA :D - YouTube[13:39:09] *** CupOfCoffee-PC <CupOfCoffee-PC!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has joined #manjaro[13:39:57] *** ifgem <ifgem!1fa3fea1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.31.163.254.161> has joined #manjaro[13:40:55] *** lenwood <lenwood!~manjaro-k@ip4d14ff0d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #manjaro[13:41:52] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@176.234.125.28> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[13:42:13] *** CupOfCoffee-PC is now known as CupOfCoffee[13:44:30] <ifgem> Sorry for another silly question, but how to take a picture of my screen on manjaro linux xfce livecd?:)[13:44:58] *** CupOfCoffee <CupOfCoffee!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:45:10] *** CupOfCoffee <CupOfCoffee!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has joined #manjaro[13:46:39] <ifgem> > 1) You would need to create an ESP (EFI System Partition). it requires FAT32, but my boot is formated in ntfs, so I can't check esp flag:)[13:47:59] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[13:48:12] <ringo> i am soo scared to help :) i dont have efi[13:48:14] <ifgem> Is there any way not to erase existing windows boot and format it in FAT32[13:48:42] <ifgem> I'm not familar with Irc:))[13:48:45] <ringo> but manjaro made its own partiton with esp on Fat32 but depend which iso you currently have[13:48:53] <ringo> iso version[13:48:58] <ringo> Alpha had a bug[13:49:19] <ifgem> I use the latest stable version of manjaro:)[13:50:21] <ringo> 16.10.3 ?[13:50:31] <ringo> version on the iso[13:50:57] *** manj-budgie <manj-budgie!~manjaro-b@57.238.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt> has joined #manjaro[13:51:47] <ifgem> yes[13:52:39] <ifgem> There're only 2 options in partitions menu: erase disk, manual partitioning[13:53:01] <ringo> mayby keep some patiience on installing them,[13:53:37] *** dr_mhb85 <dr_mhb85!~dr_mhb85@37.104.2.76> has joined #manjaro[13:53:41] <dr_mhb85> +i[13:53:47] <ringo> on that nts i dont see a seporate. partition[13:54:12] *** dr_mhb85 <dr_mhb85!~dr_mhb85@37.104.2.76> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:54:29] *** manj-budgie <manj-budgie!~manjaro-b@57.238.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:55:35] <ringo> ifgem, mayby you need to prepair the partitions, but is a roughly guess, i dont have windows[13:55:37] <ringo> :)[13:56:31] <ifgem> ringo, I'd erase it all and install only linux, but I can't: it's not my computer:)[13:57:08] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@176.234.125.28> has joined #manjaro[13:57:09] <ringo> and i cant tell exact... would be a big guess.... dont know which partition is a bootloader[13:57:22] <ringo> normal there is a 3th option to install manjaro besides[13:58:33] <ringo> always dificult to tell manjaro is user friendly to a range but complete noobs i dont know, always need connected too experienced users[13:59:58] <ifgem> ringo, thank you for your help. 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<CupOfCoffee-IPAD> i3*[14:59:20] <CupOfCoffee-IPAD> but with arch not manjaro[14:59:24] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@24.214.66.195> has joined #manjaro[15:00:17] <CupOfCoffee-IPAD> user1n: but i can maybe still help you if you need help[15:00:18] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@193.71.191.166> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[15:00:26] *** user1n <user1n!~manjaro-k@178.89.3.86> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:00:40] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@218-173-105-143.dynamic.hinet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:02:12] *** enkeys <enkeys!enkeys@nat/redhat/x-lrqnhtucwhmsiiwv> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[15:03:11] *** ked_ <ked_!4ee2158a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.226.21.138> has joined #manjaro[15:03:37] *** jarco_ <jarco_!~jarco@dD5E0341A.access.telenet.be> has joined #manjaro[15:04:28] <padh> hello ![15:04:47] <ked_> hello ![15:04:57] *** CupOfCoffee-IPAD 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<francisb!~manjaro-k@D969DDF6.static.ziggozakelijk.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:15:23] *** jarco_ <jarco_!~jarco@dD5E0341A.access.telenet.be> has joined #manjaro[16:18:06] *** ked_ <ked_!4ee2158a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.226.21.138> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[16:24:20] *** JohnML <JohnML!~quassel@ip-178-202-235-87.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #manjaro[16:25:59] *** manjaroDeepin160 <manjaroDeepin160!~Manjaro-D@183.82.218.146> has joined #manjaro[16:25:59] *** manjaroDeepin160 <manjaroDeepin160!~Manjaro-D@183.82.218.146> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:26:17] *** Bagga <Bagga!~karl@90-230-126-42-no116.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #manjaro[16:26:48] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has joined #manjaro[16:28:25] <Bagga> elo, anyone got experience with "pcspecialist" in the UK?[16:28:47] <NanoSector> the company which builds a pc with the parts you select?[16:28:55] <Bagga> yah[16:29:14] <Bagga> I'm looking into getting a laptop[16:29:16] <NanoSector> think a friend once bought a pc from there[16:29:19] <NanoSector> seemed to be happy[16:31:23] *** tefter <tefter!~bmaxa@c-bg-d-p1-76.bvcom.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:31:38] <Bagga> yeah they seem nice. As part of the ordering process they ask you what OS you will be installing on the computer, so that they can advice you on your hardware choices[16:32:03] *** enkeys <enkeys!~enkeys@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/enkeys> has joined #manjaro[16:32:17] <NanoSector> :)[16:32:26] <NanoSector> I've no experience with them myself as I'm not in the UK[16:33:09] <NanoSector> we have BTO here which is similar[16:34:31] <Bagga> I'm not in the UK either, but they ship to all of Europe at least, and allow you to pick a keyboard localization ;)[16:34:49] <NanoSector> ah, nice[16:34:54] <NanoSector> didn'tk now that[16:35:15] <Bagga> yeah shit I just found out about them yesterday[16:35:41] <Bagga> was looking at stuff frmo the US or possibly a thinkpad before :P[16:36:04] <NanoSector> i'm not trusting lenovo after what they pulled off with their BIOS ad/malware[16:36:06] *** ked_ <ked_!4ee2158a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.226.21.138> has joined #manjaro[16:36:30] <NanoSector> i've an Acer now which works[16:37:34] <Bagga> oh yeah that was Lenovo ^^ I had forgotten about that[16:38:12] <NanoSector> wish there was more DIY laptops[16:38:47] <NanoSector> like, here's a chassis with a CPU socket, MXM card slot, and a battery, rest is up to you[16:39:58] <Bagga> yeah... I don't know how many good laptops I've half broken because they're not meant to be opened so I can't properly close them again when I fix something ^^[16:40:16] <NanoSector> i had that with this one, turned the screws too much and broke the relatively thin plastic[16:40:20] <NanoSector> sent it in for repair and they made it as new[16:40:30] <NanoSector> no fees[16:40:54] <Bagga> that's cool[16:41:06] <NanoSector> they even replaced the dirty keyboard and touchpad with a brand new one[16:41:50] <NanoSector> granted it was within the warranty period[16:42:00] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@84.122.186.138.dyn.user.ono.com> has joined #manjaro[16:42:36] *** enkeys <enkeys!~enkeys@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/enkeys> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:43:32] <NanoSector> problem i do have with companies like PcSpecialist and BTO is that they charge a lot for a small upgrade[16:43:43] <NanoSector> you end up spending much more than on a regular laptop with those specs[16:43:55] *** eloaders_ <eloaders_!~eloaders@djl111.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[16:45:06] <Bagga> yeah, I mean, if I get a desktop I build it myself :) but laptops you either have to get someone to build it for you or buy something prebuilt[16:45:14] <NanoSector> yeah[16:46:14] *** Eizen_ <Eizen_!~Eizen@190.244.210.40> has joined #manjaro[16:46:47] <Kjeldmis> NanoSector: problem with DIY laptops is always cooling. It isnt really practical to make a one size fits all, as it would require the cooling system to be oversized for many purposes. Underdimensioned cooling is just a disaster waiting to happen.[16:46:49] *** Eizen_ <Eizen_!~Eizen@190.244.210.40> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:46:52] *** Eizen <Eizen!Eizen@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-seqtrmzcwhdzxpeq> has joined #manjaro[16:47:04] *** Eizen <Eizen!Eizen@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-seqtrmzcwhdzxpeq> has left #manjaro ("leaving")[16:47:11] <Bagga> Kjeldmis: I was just about to write something along those lines ;)[16:47:44] <Bagga> that you'd have to make an unecessarily bulky chassi to be able to accomodate a lot of different setups etc.[16:48:05] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:48:05] *** eloaders <eloaders!~eloaders@eio177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:48:31] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[16:48:36] *** ked_ <ked_!4ee2158a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.226.21.138> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[16:48:49] <Kjeldmis> Bagga: or use really expensive cooling systems, eg oil-cooling systems.[16:49:31] <Bagga> but I don't think it'd be impossible to make som DIY kits, biggest problem is that the market is not that big and it'd probably not be that much cheaper, if at all than what we can get now[16:51:08] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-44c16b78.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[16:52:47] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!~m4sk1n@apn-95-40-188-77.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:52:53] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!~m4sk1n@apn-46-169-157-147.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #manjaro[16:53:00] <Kjeldmis> Bagga: Basically, many noname / small brand systems are based on reference systems from chinese manufacturers. They keep the costs down by giving high flexibility and individual branding for resellers; these are basically DIY systems. However, you would never get a better price than buying from the branded resellers due to volume discounts.[16:53:56] <Bagga> point well made[16:54:37] *** ked_ <ked_!4ee2158a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.226.21.138> has joined #manjaro[16:56:35] *** Lucis <Lucis!~rodrigo@186.210.174.214> has joined #manjaro[16:56:43] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@84.122.186.138.dyn.user.ono.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:57:41] *** enkeys <enkeys!enkeys@nat/redhat/x-tifkjbupdnmstrlq> has joined #manjaro[16:58:33] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@dslb-094-222-105-139.094.222.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:59:01] <ked_> seems that the gtk greeter takes the keymap defined for the console + qwerty but never displays the "VC Toggle Keymap"[16:59:33] *** acutbal <acutbal!~acutbal3@113.red-83-38-250.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #manjaro[17:00:39] <Kjeldmis> My greeter displays in 12hr format, even though I use the 24hr format everywhere else. Ive been too lazy to look into it as it isnt really a big deal. If someone has a quick fix for it tho I would greatly appreciate it.[17:01:14] *** acutbal <acutbal!~acutbal3@113.red-83-38-250.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:02:51] <nedstark> i get a good upgradeable tower pc and a cheap 2-in-1 with windows 10 on it. total price is less than a good laptop.[17:03:37] *** enkeys <enkeys!enkeys@nat/redhat/x-tifkjbupdnmstrlq> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:04:19] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@dsl-197-245-81-217.voxdsl.co.za> has joined #manjaro[17:04:32] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@169-1-163-144.ip.afrihost.co.za> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:04:49] *** batch <batch!~batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[17:05:39] *** lenwood <lenwood!~manjaro-k@ip4d14ff0d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[17:06:06] <nedstark> can run a virtual desktop on the 2-in-1 to use the tower[17:06:31] <Kjeldmis> nedstark: ofc. You have very few cooling and power constraints in a desktop, which means you dont have to restrain expensive CPU / RAM / chipset / graphic chips performancewise to keep the heat down. Cooling complexity is likewise much, much more expensive to design and test.[17:06:46] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@115.99.101.125> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:07:26] <Kjeldmis> for the same reasons you can get tablet / ultra low power devices for next to nothing.[17:08:34] *** notis <notis!~notis@130.43.39.19.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr> has joined #manjaro[17:08:40] <Kjeldmis> which means you can buy cheap CPUs, graphics, etc, that outperforms very expensive laptop chips.[17:10:02] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@176.240.69.251> has joined #manjaro[17:11:43] <nedstark> 2-in-1's are selling well, i think that's where the industry is going now. there is talk of ARM getting into high-end processors[17:11:50] <nedstark> win10 going to arm too[17:12:22] <Kjeldmis> win 10 already runs on ARM[17:12:29] <nedstark> RT did not not win32[17:12:35] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@24-241-31-30.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[17:13:01] <nedstark> the win10 2-in-1's use the 32 bit intel processors[17:13:30] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@176.240.69.251> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:13:30] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@24-241-31-30.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:13:44] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@24-241-31-30.static.hlrg.nc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[17:15:50] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has quit IRC (Quit: Potzblitz!)[17:16:08] <Kjeldmis> nedstark: The ARM versions of Windows 10 hasnt been sold through resellers, thats true. However, nothing stops you from installing it on aftermarket hardware.[17:16:18] <LyriCa> anybody here uses an rt kernel[17:16:18] <LyriCa> ?[17:16:35] *** JohnML <JohnML!~quassel@ip-178-202-235-87.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:17:24] *** anonyth <anonyth!~manjaro-k@c-24-21-113-228.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[17:17:34] <Kjeldmis> I have a Rasperry Pi running Win 10 ARM - my Chinese Android based tablet (Qualcomm Snapdragon 820) runs Windows 10 ARM aswell - I just had to install it myself.[17:22:09] <Kjeldmis> nedstark: the new thing is that future versions of Win 10 ARM has hardware-accelerated Win32-emulation. Which means you would be able to run software not compiled for ARM.[17:23:46] <nedstark> Kjeldmis, that was the main obstacle for app development.[17:24:14] <nedstark> UWP hasnb'[17:24:20] <nedstark> UWP hasn't taken off either[17:24:50] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:25:23] <nedstark> microsoft is gradually learning it has to fit in with existing platforms and dev tools, not expect to pull people in a new direction[17:25:28] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[17:26:26] <Kjeldmis> nedstark: well, none of the other platforms support ARM to i386 / x86-64 or vice versa. I would hardly call that the reason to why Win RT didnt take off. None of the competitors have features like that.[17:27:41] *** batch <batch!~batch@unaffiliated/batch> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:27:59] *** batch <batch!~batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[17:28:55] <nedstark> microsoft needed to make cross-platform app development easier for existing windows developers, a lot of people used to writing win32 apps in C##. the people writing in java for android and objective C didn't feel compelled to port something over[17:28:59] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@179.154.124.39> has joined #manjaro[17:29:22] <Kjeldmis> Development to WinRT required a paid subscription and a non-free SDK; combined with it was late to the party and both iOS and Android using vendor-lockin on core services (like the purchases on app stores for example). Cross-running had nothing to do with it.[17:29:26] <nedstark> they're lowering the hurdling bar for the windows developers[17:30:58] <nedstark> the people who write android and iOS apps mostly don't know much about win32 or C# except the basics[17:31:05] *** ashledombos <ashledombos!~manjaro-k@vir91-h03-176-190-12-167.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr> has joined #manjaro[17:31:05] *** ashledombos <ashledombos!~manjaro-k@vir91-h03-176-190-12-167.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr> has quit IRC (Changing host)[17:31:05] *** ashledombos <ashledombos!~manjaro-k@mandriva/forum/ashledombos> has joined #manjaro[17:31:28] <Kjeldmis> nedstark: Win RT didnt support win32 so...[17:32:02] <Kjeldmis> And, C# has same syntax / structure as JAVA[17:32:10] <Kjeldmis> so its hardly a reason either.[17:32:21] <nedstark> thats what i mean. its easier to teach a C# desktop app developer to write apps than to teach an objective c developer how to develop for windows mobile[17:33:43] <nedstark> so the people who make desktop apps for win32 will be the ones who create a mobile app for the next windows phone or 2-in-1 not the iOS or android guys[17:35:09] <Kjeldmis> I disagree. Windows Phone development is ridicously easy compared to Android and iOS development. The tools are light years ahead.[17:35:21] <nedstark> but nobody wanted to bother with a new platform[17:36:13] <nedstark> unfortunately for microsoft they were beaten into the market, so trying to pull people to something new wasn't possible[17:36:30] <Kjeldmis> If it didnt require a paid subscription and 3000$ for the SDK we might have gotten somewhere.[17:36:59] <nedstark> the 1st movers had the advantage, which was android people who had been writing in java for the mobile OS's preceding android, and iOS[17:37:22] <Kjeldmis> No company in their right minds would pay fees like that unless it was to the market leader.[17:37:27] <r00tobo> nedstark :v[17:37:35] <r00tobo> GOT is everywhere[17:38:38] <Kjeldmis> nedstark: you seem to forget that Microsoft had over 10% share in some European countries like France and Italy.[17:39:01] <Kjeldmis> Those arent small economies.[17:40:44] <Kjeldmis> Its well known that Windows Phone did fairly considering the highly competetive market. The lack of new devices on the market in 2016 and still ridicously high developer fees is what made their doo,[17:40:47] <Kjeldmis> doom.[17:41:02] <nedstark> if microsoft had high app purchase rates and 10% marketshare worldwide, they'd be in fine shape[17:41:26] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@2a01cb0c83dbb200d3c968dd74f5eaae.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[17:41:31] *** manjaroi3 is now known as padh[17:41:34] <Kjeldmis> who cares about world wide. 10% in the rich economies is a fine base to build from.[17:41:49] <Kjeldmis> And they had quite a few of those.[17:41:56] <nedstark> the people willing to buy apps on a regular basis, wherever they are[17:42:06] <ringo> is just 2 things you step in as price fighter or overprized :)[17:42:35] <ringo> Samsung overblowd the market , and Apple overpzied[17:42:46] <ringo> Ms sleeps :)[17:42:48] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:43:03] <ringo> Balmer laughed at apple[17:43:15] <nedstark> the whole industry overestimated the relative popularity of higher-end tablets and phones compared to pc's. apple is cutting iphone 7 production now and offering free-after-subsidy iphone 7's in the us.[17:43:48] <nedstark> they toally ignored the 2-in-1 market, which microsoft took a gamble on, and are now behind microsoft according to many in the industry[17:43:49] *** anonyth <anonyth!~manjaro-k@c-24-21-113-228.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:44:16] <Kjeldmis> nedstark: Microsoft doesnt have high purchase rates on apps - because of the payment structure for developers. If you wanted to charge payment, you need a very expensive SDK / subscription bundle. if you instead put it up for free, you dont have any fees.[17:44:52] <Kjeldmis> 2 in 1s has very few use cases.[17:44:59] <ringo> i do think there is stil market for MS[17:45:06] <nedstark> Kjeldmis, they should charge nothing up front and a decent percentage on the backend. having a barrier up front is enough to scare off the typical app developer[17:45:11] <ringo> and i do think they get from iphone[17:45:37] <ringo> if the phone quality is good i do think they get further , they have money to invest[17:45:50] <Kjeldmis> ringo: there is indeed. Although it requires that they launch mobile phones every year.[17:46:07] <Kjeldmis> They didnt in 2016 and got hammered for it.[17:46:28] <Kjeldmis> They are back to scratch now.[17:46:31] <nedstark> google and apple both blew it on their market research and put way too much time and money into phones and keyboardless-tablets. google chromebooks kept them relevant for a while, but the windows 2-in-1s are passing them up now[17:46:51] <ringo> most importand to work on quality and support i do sure peoplwe wil buy a MS phone[17:47:00] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@94.25.177.183> has joined #manjaro[17:47:13] <ringo> iphone market is bit open currently[17:47:24] <Kjeldmis> nedstark: 2in1s are a jack-of-all trades. It never beats the dedicated device in any use case.[17:47:31] *** manjaro-kde5- is now known as manjaro-kde5_[17:47:40] <ringo> if they look at midrange price round 400 euro good quality phone i do think they can have te market back[17:48:18] <ringo> 350 400 range phone in good quality im sure people purchase it[17:48:24] <Kjeldmis> ringo: the 640 LTE was a ridicously good phone for next to no money[17:48:31] <Kjeldmis> Ive got one myself.[17:48:33] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has joined #manjaro[17:48:42] <ringo> link?[17:48:50] <ringo> =-)[17:48:54] <nedstark> Kjeldmis, its taking them all by surprise. cook had ignored the mac for years, but recently posted an internal message about "we're not abandoning the mac" according to the apple media. it sounds like they've only realized their mistake recently[17:48:59] <ringo> nokia hardware is good...[17:49:09] <ringo> on hardware technology isnt the case[17:49:32] <Kjeldmis> https://www.microsoft.com/da-dk/mobile/telefon/lumia640-lte/ ringo[17:49:36] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/HoWDJa] Microsoft Lumia 640 LTE - Smartphones - Microsoft - Denmark[17:49:42] <Jeannie> Microsoft[17:49:46] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@94.25.177.183> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:50:21] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@2a01cb0c83dbb200d3c968dd74f5eaae.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[17:50:30] <ringo> what was the price?[17:50:32] <ringo> now?[17:51:05] <Kjeldmis> I paid 50 $ for an unlocked phone with 720p display, very good battery, SD card extension support, LTE, 8MP camera, etc.[17:51:10] <Kjeldmis> that was a year ago.[17:51:13] <nedstark> i'm looking back at the market data news articles and they began talking about 2-in-1 sales exceeding tablets in mid-2015[17:51:18] <ringo> thats a good price[17:51:26] <nedstark> can't say apple wasn't warned[17:51:38] <ringo> 1gb ram is less but for 50dollar is no money[17:52:00] <ringo> huawei y5 cost now 119 euro with 8mp camera[17:52:01] <Kjeldmis> ringo: 1GB performs very well on Windows 10[17:52:13] <Jeannie> Windows 10 performs well?[17:52:43] <ringo> Kjeldmis, yeah but the price is good.[17:52:44] <Kjeldmis> Jeannie: Windows Phone 10 performs very well compared to the competition.[17:52:57] <ringo> android is also not everything[17:53:10] <ringo> google service slows the phone down[17:53:18] <nedstark> unless you are getting android 7 i wouldn't bother with android, mainly for security reasons[17:53:22] <Kjeldmis> ringo: Android is slow as fuck[17:53:45] <ringo> is not the os, is just what above the line , google service....[17:53:55] <Jeannie> When I look at m mothers laptop and the poorish performance of Win 10 on it, I wonder how a phone will perform with that system[17:53:58] <nedstark> android 7 also has some privacy enhancements similar to iOS's differential privacy in iOS 10[17:54:01] <ringo> my phone is 512mb ram have to switch of lot a stuf[17:54:53] *** stibbi <stibbi!~Marc@ip-176-199-238-7.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #manjaro[17:55:15] <Kjeldmis> ringo: The 640 LTE has comparable hardware to the Motorola Moto G 3rd gen. Almost identical. My wife has that phone, and it cant keep up in any scenario. The Moto G is also almost twice the market price.[17:56:15] *** ked_ <ked_!4ee2158a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.226.21.138> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[17:56:29] <Kjeldmis> Jeannie: Windows Phone 10 isnt in any regard the same as Windows 10.[17:56:44] <ringo> yep[17:56:52] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@103.227.71.28> has joined #manjaro[17:57:13] <Jeannie> I actually don't care, it's windows and that's enough not to touch it with a 100 foot pole[17:57:18] <ringo> mayby had buyed the lumnia my self, Nokia had always do a good job, but lately i was looking for a Blackberry model[17:57:26] <ringo> i hate the touchscreen keyboard[18:00:13] <Kjeldmis> ringo: The touchscreen keyboard with windows phone 10 is one of the drawbacks imo. Its not as good as the competition.[18:00:58] <ringo> i wanna have a real keyboard :([18:01:16] <Jeannie> On a smartphone?[18:01:20] <ringo> yeah[18:01:49] *** lenwood <lenwood!~manjaro-k@2a02:8108:100:38c8::2> has joined #manjaro[18:02:01] * Jeannie doesn't undertand all these smartphone users at all[18:07:53] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[18:09:54] <nedstark> you use linux but no smartphone?[18:10:05] <Jeannie> Indeed[18:10:54] <nedstark> meizu settled a lawsuit with qualcomm so maybe the ubuntu phone will be sold in the us in the future[18:11:03] <nedstark> they were banned from us sales until now[18:12:31] <Jeannie> Recently I read a test saying something like" Ubuntu has been managing to fuck up every mobile device so far"[18:13:24] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@84.122.186.138.dyn.user.ono.com> has joined #manjaro[18:14:25] <nedstark> i never used one, but they're supposedly getting more stable[18:14:36] <nedstark> the last OTA was just bug fixes[18:15:01] *** redfern <redfern!4180a376@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.65.128.163.118> has joined #manjaro[18:15:02] <Jeannie> What use is a "stable" system without apps?[18:15:39] <nedstark> its a niche phone mainly for linux people, so probably so we can write or port our own linux apps into it[18:16:02] <Jeannie> I wouldn't even use Ubuntu on a phone[18:16:38] <ringo> !w sailfishos[18:16:39] <Botergos> Sailfish OS - Sailfish OS (also styled as SailfishOS or abbreviated to SFOS) is a mobile operating system combining the Linux kernel for a particular hardware platform use, the open-source Mer core middleware, a proprietary UI contributed by Jolla, and other third-party components. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS[18:16:44] <ringo> i wanna have that[18:17:03] <Jeannie> That's dead[18:17:13] <ringo> you could use android, but if you wanna play android you should buy android :p[18:17:20] <ringo> not really[18:17:32] <ringo> russia uses sailfish[18:17:40] *** mDt <mDt!~mDt@178-253-128-250.3pp.slovanet.sk> has joined #manjaro[18:17:59] <Jeannie> I don't trust russian technology[18:18:28] <ringo> nah is swedish[18:18:44] <ringo> russia gouvernment recently uses sailfish[18:18:46] <Jeannie> On russian hardware?[18:18:49] <ringo> no[18:18:52] <ringo> i dont know[18:19:00] <ringo> there is no russian hardware[18:19:36] <Jeannie> otaphone[18:19:40] *** lenwood <lenwood!~manjaro-k@2a02:8108:100:38c8::2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:19:42] <Jeannie> Yotaphone even[18:20:14] <ringo> recently look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Tk2QiEfRM[18:20:15] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/wzxL0I] Unboxing - Intex Aqua Fish with Sailfish OS 2.0 - YouTube[18:21:04] <ringo> round 170€ phone[18:21:08] <ringo> india made[18:21:15] <Jeannie> Tbh I dont care, I have been getting along without smartphone for over 35 years now. Why shoudl I get one?[18:21:26] <ringo> =:)[18:21:34] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[18:22:12] <ringo> is not top of knotch phone but is fairly priced[18:22:48] <Jeannie> Probably produced by children who earn 20 ct/hour[18:22:50] <ringo> i:)[18:23:12] <ringo> which brand is your pc?[18:23:19] <ringo> home build?[18:23:57] <Jeannie> I home assemble my computers, yes[18:24:22] <ringo> europe is bit ironical if it comes on that...[18:24:50] <ringo> they spend all production in to those country india china etc etc cheap as possible, market overflowing of those products[18:25:04] <ringo> even bank ICT is in india...[18:25:11] <Jeannie> Maximizing profits, yes[18:25:33] <ringo> and all people complaining about that.. first of al dont spend money on those services[18:25:34] <ringo> :)[18:26:31] <ringo> spend more money what you weir thats made in europe and food etc...[18:26:58] <ringo> but stop complaining.. its how market worked and always will be and degrading own market as wel[18:27:12] <ringo> 70% of raw matrial are chinese[18:27:35] <ringo> all old plastic bought up by chinese also[18:28:20] <nedstark> things are artificially cheap for reasons other than hourly wage, like being able to ignore environmental controls or worker safety standards[18:29:00] <nedstark> robots will eventually replace most manual laborers. that will be the biggest problem in the future[18:29:09] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:e70e:8452:864:ebd> has joined #manjaro[18:29:39] *** mDt <mDt!~mDt@178-253-128-250.3pp.slovanet.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:29:48] *** mDt <mDt!~mDt@178-253-128-250.3pp.slovanet.sk> has joined #manjaro[18:30:09] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@84.122.186.138.dyn.user.ono.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:33:28] <ringo> nedstark, idd also europe bank keep artificial in place, keeping euro high for nothing[18:37:28] <ringo> but is ironical people complaining of such things like it but buying things from there is acceptable[18:38:12] *** batch_ <batch_!~batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[18:38:28] *** sooorajjj <sooorajjj!~sooorajjj@103.227.71.28> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[18:38:43] *** batch <batch!~batch@unaffiliated/batch> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:38:52] *** batch_ is now known as batch[18:39:28] *** davcri <davcri!~daenn@151.76.246.217> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:39:40] *** davcri <davcri!~daenn@151.76.246.217> has joined #manjaro[18:41:11] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:41:36] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[18:41:43] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@179.154.124.39> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:46:16] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@24.214.66.195> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:47:07] *** davcri <davcri!~daenn@151.76.246.217> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:47:20] *** davcri <davcri!~daenn@151.76.246.217> has joined #manjaro[18:51:29] *** stibbi <stibbi!~Marc@ip-176-199-238-7.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:51:42] *** lenwood <lenwood!~manjaro-k@ip4d14ff0d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #manjaro[18:53:17] *** Zauberfisch <Zauberfisch!sid113562@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pydxgrnbmdvqalef> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:53:37] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@179.154.124.39> has joined #manjaro[18:55:10] *** lambda-11235 <lambda-11235!~lambda-11@64.113.171.118> has joined #manjaro[18:57:16] *** manjaroi3_ <manjaroi3_!~manjaro-i@c-ea96e255.113-2-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> has joined #manjaro[18:57:21] *** Zauberfisch <Zauberfisch!sid113562@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kavkyqvmryqzdnjv> has joined #manjaro[18:57:30] *** manjaroi3_ is now known as visuman[18:59:04] *** redfern <redfern!4180a376@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.65.128.163.118> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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Manjaro Linux[19:32:52] <Vlado9A> use pacman to install your software[19:33:01] *** Arkaan <Arkaan!8bc326c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.139.195.38.197> has joined #manjaro[19:33:02] <rick75> will give it a whirl[19:33:37] <rick75> no come round and make me a brew lmao[19:33:44] *** Arkaan <Arkaan!8bc326c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.139.195.38.197> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:33:59] <Vlado9A> rick75: do you know a nema of your operating system?[19:34:04] <Vlado9A> *a name[19:34:09] <Jeannie> Pacman won't install debs or rpms[19:34:22] <rick75> its the last manjaro[19:34:28] <rick75> lastest[19:34:35] <Vlado9A> which desktop environment?[19:35:44] *** pixelghost <pixelghost!~pixelghos@oki-180-131-225-40.jptransit.net> has joined #manjaro[19:35:56] <Vlado9A> Jeannie: maybe you would like to give a hand to rick75, to help him install his software?[19:36:13] <rick75> im looking but darn forgot the name of it[19:36:34] <rick75> the main one i know total noobie[19:36:51] <Vlado9A> is it a new manjaro installation?[19:36:54] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m83-176-23-239.cust.tele2.ee> has joined #manjaro[19:37:00] <Vlado9A> Have you updated it?[19:37:01] <rick75> yes[19:37:10] <rick75> all updated[19:37:30] <Vlado9A> what's the name of a software you would like to install?[19:37:43] <rick75> iracing[19:37:52] <Vlado9A> just a sec[19:38:35] <Vlado9A> iracing is not available in manjaro or aur repositories... where have you found it?[19:39:00] <rick75> there main site has the installation files for linux[19:39:15] *** nramirezuy <nramirezuy!~nramirezu@r167-62-24-172.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[19:39:19] <Vlado9A> can you provide a link for it, please[19:39:26] <rick75> bascally gotta install unbuntu then[19:39:39] <rick75> its whithin then payed section[19:40:07] <rick75> http://www.iracing.com/membership/system-requirements/[19:40:09] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/nCXXqN] iRacing System Requirements ¬– iRacing.com | iRacing.com Motorsport Simulations[19:40:28] <Jeannie> You can install debs under arch[19:40:35] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@host109-145-140-69.range109-145.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[19:40:42] <rick75> i was hoping i could as like this one[19:40:57] <nedstark> debtab doesn't work in manjaro, just arch, and doesn't always work even in arch.[19:41:03] <rick75> but fear i wont be able too[19:41:24] <rick75> then there the g29 logitech wheel[19:41:28] <nedstark> writing a pkgbuild isn't a task for a new guy[19:41:58] <Jeannie> That indeed is true[19:41:59] <mDt> rick75: did you say you have .bin file too?[19:42:11] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:42:12] <rick75> i double check[19:42:44] <rick75> Linux bin[19:42:46] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@host54-27-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[19:42:54] <rick75> Linux deb[19:43:04] <rick75> Linux rpm[19:43:10] <Vlado9A> rick75: in system requirements it says you need to have rpm based linux distro, does it telling something to you?[19:43:11] <rick75> all they do for linus[19:43:24] <rick75> not here[19:43:34] <rick75> ok fair enough shame[19:43:43] <Vlado9A> manjaro is not rpm based distribution[19:43:58] <rick75> cheers for the help[19:44:36] *** lenwood <lenwood!~manjaro-k@ip4d14ff0d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:44:41] * Jeannie puts that Vlado guy on ignore[19:45:32] <nedstark> rick75, since nobody has written a pkgbuild for it, the easiest way for you to run that app is to dual-boot linux mint or ubuntu[19:45:42] <mDt> rick75: if you have .bin file, you can try it run in shell: ./name_of_file and see what happens[19:46:08] <nedstark> if it weren't a game, i'd say use virtualbox[19:46:17] *** rick75 <rick75!5f959742@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.149.151.66> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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I have nvidia and nouveou drivers installed. My machine boots in to nvidia but I would like to be able to choose which I boot in to, is there a way to set this?[20:17:26] *** m4sk1nWTFisgoing <m4sk1nWTFisgoing!~m4sk1n@apn-95-40-174-118.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #manjaro[20:18:03] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@62.168.3.106> has joined #manjaro[20:18:03] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@62.168.3.106> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:18:09] *** CupOfCoffee-IPAD <CupOfCoffee-IPAD!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:18:28] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!~m4sk1n@apn-46-169-157-147.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[20:18:46] *** m4sk1nWTFisgoing is now known as m4sk1n[20:19:41] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@2a01:e34:ec12:86d0:ed0a:db51:b0ae:8a7e> has joined #manjaro[20:19:56] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@2a01:e34:ec12:86d0:ed0a:db51:b0ae:8a7e> has left #manjaro[20:20:09] *** fr0ddy <fr0ddy!~fr0ddy@103.41.35.26> has joined #manjaro[20:20:10] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@2a01:e34:ec12:86d0:ed0a:db51:b0ae:8a7e> has joined #manjaro[20:20:16] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@2a01:e34:ec12:86d0:ed0a:db51:b0ae:8a7e> has left #manjaro[20:21:01] *** stibbi <stibbi!~Marc@ip-176-199-238-7.hsi06.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #manjaro[20:21:18] <Jeannie> Usually you shouldn' even be able to install both, nouveau and nvidia on one system simutaneously[20:21:46] <stibbi> hi, does anybody know if it is possible in xfce to display the complete text of an icon and only wrap after a word ends?[20:21:52] <ringo> nop cant[20:22:00] <ringo> oops[20:22:14] <ringo> huh xfce what?[20:22:45] <stibbi> xfce -> desktop icon -> text under the icon -> display complete text and only wrap after a full word instead in the middle of a word :-)[20:23:11] <Vlado9A> stibbi: I usually rename icon text to something short, like Web, Mail, Edit, Office, Media ... etc[20:24:08] <stibbi> Vlado9A: that's a possible workaround. but something else would be more convenient. :-)[20:24:50] *** magican <magican!~magican@90-225-28-177-no123.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #manjaro[20:24:55] <magican> So ringo ![20:25:01] <stibbi> xfce is customizable as hell, but something so mundane seems to be impossible.[20:25:02] <nedstark> don't install more than 1 video driver at a time or the system may not be able to boot into the desktop[20:25:16] <magican> Orderd a Crucial SSD for linux, the 5400rpm is way to slow for the i7 overall.[20:25:19] <magican> bottleneck![20:25:20] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@LFbn-1-8377-216.w81-254.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[20:25:21] <nedstark> could still get to the shell[20:25:24] *** manjaroi3_ <manjaroi3_!~manjaro-i@2a01cb0c83dbb2003ed0c1dc779dee9d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[20:25:49] <magican> Openbox ffs![20:25:51] <magican> :)[20:26:48] <nedstark> if "Hardware detection" within the Manjaro Settings Manager has a proprietary driver listed, and its working, then I'd stick with that unless something is broke[20:27:47] <Vlado9A> stibbi: here is an example of my xfce desktop... http://vzugcic.net.amis.hr/images/desktop.png[20:27:47] <nocomply> Manjaro Settings Manager doesn't have any trouble having both installed. I know *buntus deal with it pretty easily too[20:27:48] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Wia5GQ] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[20:28:03] <nedstark> until you pick the wrong driver[20:28:17] <magican> I even got GTX1080 work 100% in Arch (reverted my manjaro to pure arch insted), still got nvidia play with me.[20:28:22] <magican> so keep it up, do not give up! =)[20:28:34] <nocomply> nedstark: that is what I am asking, how do I pick the one to boot with?[20:29:01] <nedstark> right click on the checkmark for "installed"[20:29:09] *** magican is now known as tsw_[20:29:21] *** tsw_ is now known as tsw[20:29:43] *** tsw is now known as magican[20:29:45] <ringo> tsw, you might always send it to me[20:29:51] <nedstark> select "install" or select "remove" for the one you don't want[20:29:52] <magican> ringo: :O[20:30:11] <magican> ringo: Tried a arch install in WM lastnight, nemas problemas..[20:30:32] <nocomply> nedstark: I don't want to remove one, I just want to boot in to the other temporily and will need to periodically in the near future[20:30:50] <magican> so, plan A: Plug in new SSD aswell, do an install on it, grub will show yet an OS to boot. That means this one will survive regardless.[20:30:54] <magican> failproof :)[20:30:59] <nocomply> I know you can do this in ubuntu by commenting some stuff out in modprobe or something[20:31:57] <magican> nocomply: can't u just use --setgpu or what it was, then reboot?[20:32:38] *** prillian5 <prillian5!~prillian5@2001-4dd4-c491-0-306c-8491-c7d6-f537.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has joined #manjaro[20:32:40] <magican> brb[20:32:43] *** magican <magican!~magican@90-225-28-177-no123.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[20:34:02] <nedstark> nocomply, you can see here they don't give instructions for disabling 1 and using another. https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Configure_Graphics_Cards[20:34:03] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/iXuLaS] Configure Graphics Cards - Manjaro Linux[20:34:29] *** badbodh <badbodh!~androirc@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[20:34:40] <nocomply> nedstark: I did notice that[20:35:11] <nedstark> i'd assume its a higher risk proposition than in ubuntu[20:35:25] *** rethus <rethus!~prillian5@xdsl-81-173-169-196.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:35:36] <nocomply> nedstark: basically what I am trying to overcome is this problem - https://forum.manjaro.org/t/problem-with-some-programs-in-wine-when-using-nvidia/15000[20:35:37] *** CupOfCoffee-IPAD <CupOfCoffee-IPAD!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has joined #manjaro[20:35:37] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/OJeSgW] Problem with some programs in Wine when using nvidia - Applications - Manjaro[20:35:47] <Jeannie> Why would you want nouvau anyway?[20:36:08] *** CupOfCoffee-IPAD <CupOfCoffee-IPAD!~CupOfCoff@145.130.120.226> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:36:08] *** CupOfCoffee-IPAD <CupOfCoffee-IPAD!~CupOfCoff@unaffiliated/cupofcoffee> has joined #manjaro[20:36:08] <nocomply> it works fine with free drivers but not with nvidia for some reason[20:37:15] <nocomply> I don't really know anything about graphics drivers so perhaps I am just missing something in the config[20:41:20] <nedstark> nocomply, this arch page describes how to blacklist your proprietary drivers https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/nouveau[20:41:21] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/hpZXke] Nouveau - ArchWiki[20:43:13] <nocomply> thanks nedstark, that could work[20:43:30] <nocomply> funny, the last thing on the page there is the reason I need to use the nvidia drivers[20:44:14] <Jeannie> Nouveau will limit your GPU performance considerably[20:44:57] <nocomply> Jeannie: nvidia is giving me more problems at the moment. If I could find out how to fix it I would gladly use nvidia and not look back[20:45:17] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:18f:1400:c4e5:49ec:a53d:f1a5> has joined #manjaro[20:46:59] <nedstark> #winehq has support for wine, they may be familiar with this issue[20:47:04] *** Naologramme <Naologramme!~NaoTix@bsr-176-139-185-179.ft.ethernet.abo.bbox.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)[20:49:07] *** nedstark <nedstark!~nedstark@unaffiliated/nedstark> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:51:40] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clyzsytlvdudhogr> has joined #manjaro[20:51:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v vexare[20:51:46] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:18f:1400:c4e5:49ec:a53d:f1a5> has left #manjaro[20:52:14] *** magican <magican!~magican@90-225-28-177-no123.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #manjaro[20:52:25] <magican> So! USB check.. just wait for SSD then :)[20:53:46] * ringo sit and wait at magican trashcan[20:54:00] *** Lucis <Lucis!~rodrigo@186.210.174.214> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:55:26] *** CupOfCoffee-IPAD <CupOfCoffee-IPAD!~CupOfCoff@unaffiliated/cupofcoffee> has quit IRC (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)[20:57:07] *** anonyth <anonyth!~manjaro-k@c-71-237-167-131.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[20:59:06] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@LFbn-1-8377-216.w81-254.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:02:19] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@178-190-30-210.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[21:03:00] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has joined #manjaro[21:04:27] *** fr0ddy <fr0ddy!~fr0ddy@103.41.35.26> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:07:23] *** manjaro-web|7804 <manjaro-web|7804!4eb79ea7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.183.158.167> has joined #manjaro[21:07:36] *** manjaro-web|7804 <manjaro-web|7804!4eb79ea7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.78.183.158.167> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:08:16] <stibbi> does anyone know a link to a reference for parameters working in .gtkrc-2.0?[21:11:00] <bugzbunny> Kjeldmis, o/[21:11:35] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@2a01cb0c83dbb200d3c968dd74f5eaae.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[21:12:38] <batch> hello[21:13:37] <bugzbunny> batch, hey buddy \o/[21:13:54] <batch> hi bugzbunny !![21:13:58] <batch> how are you?[21:14:22] <bugzbunny> alright, u ?[21:14:55] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!~m4sk1n@apn-95-40-174-118.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:14:55] <batch> i'm doing well bugzbunny thankyou[21:15:15] <bugzbunny> happy new year xD >.>[21:19:46] <batch> bugzbunny you too man[21:19:54] <batch> _[21:19:55] <batch> | |__ __ _ _ __ _ __ _ _ _ __ _____ ___ _ ___ __ _ _ __[21:19:55] <batch> | '_ \ / _` | '_ \| '_ \| | | | '_ \ / _ \ \ /\ / / | | |/ _ \/ _` | '__|[21:19:56] <batch> | | | | (_| | |_) | 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<m4sk1n!~m4sk1n@apn-77-112-73-37.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #manjaro[22:33:30] *** manjaroCinnamon <manjaroCinnamon!~Manjarous@98.218.58.214> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:34:24] *** yans <yans!~yans@unaffiliated/yinsen> has joined #manjaro[22:35:41] *** urballandchain <urballandchain!~jamesande@172.56.39.175> has joined #manjaro[22:36:02] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~strit@d40a2015.rev.stofanet.dk> has left #manjaro ("Konversation terminated!")[22:36:46] *** Amadiro <Amadiro!jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:36:52] <urballandchain> is everyone having trouble with the 29 minute nerd medley by linux musicians with wildmidi? many people people say sound loses sync or something.[22:37:26] <urballandchain> you can search nerd medley at soundcloud.com and pick the 29 minute version to verify the sound problems with wildmidi[22:38:11] <urballandchain> there are some disgusted linux musicians that wonder if they will ever fix sound on linux[22:38:52] *** prillian5 <prillian5!~prillian5@2001-4dd4-c491-0-306c-8491-c7d6-f537.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:38:52] <urballandchain> but you may need a recent firefox browser to access the website[22:39:20] <Jeannie> So I cant test it[22:40:06] <urballandchain> Jeannie...i don't know...do you have a recent firefox browser and can you see soundcloud search box for entering nerd medley[22:40:19] <urballandchain> at soundcloud.com[22:41:17] <urballandchain> Jeannie...why ask me if you can't test the damn problems with linux musicians trying to use wildmidi on gentoo[22:42:34] <urballandchain> Jeannie...i hear there are some nerdettes also.[22:42:44] <urballandchain> for humans with girls names.[22:43:05] <urballandchain> Jeannie...do you know what wildmidi is?[22:44:08] <urballandchain> and did you select the 29 minute nerd medley[22:44:46] *** LucaB <LucaB!~Luca@a91-156-40-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[22:47:32] <urballandchain> Jeannie ...if you don't know what midi is, you sure won't know what wildmidi is.[22:48:01] <Jeannie> I don't have a recent firefox browser[22:48:55] <urballandchain> Jeannie...well you probably don't want to experience the sound coming unsynced anyway and sounding like a bunch of crackles, pops, and skips after just a few minutes into a song.[22:49:31] <urballandchain> Jeannie...why do you think they are called nerds and nerdettes.[22:49:35] <Jeannie> If it requires to use Firefox, then no[22:50:04] *** m4sk1n <m4sk1n!~m4sk1n@apn-77-112-73-37.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[22:50:18] <urballandchain> Jeannie..well nothing i can do about it ...i don't have anything to do with firefox or soundcloud[22:53:05] <urballandchain> Jeannie...but i do try to use wildmidi a little here to construct less than 29 minute endeavors.[22:53:51] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has quit IRC (Quit: Potzblitz!)[22:55:45] <urballandchain> Jeannie..its just damn disgusting to see all those disgusted linux musicians wondering if their 29 minute wildmidi efforts will ever gain an audience that can hear it without sync problems[22:57:04] <Bagga> and no one bothered to create an issue on github?[22:57:39] <Bagga> if there's a bug in the code of a project, why not report it on their issue-tracker instead of whining in a completely unrelated IRC-channel?[22:58:18] *** CupOfCoffee <CupOfCoffee!~CupOfCoff@unaffiliated/cupofcoffee> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:58:34] <urballandchain> Bagga...because for 25 years of kernel work they still have thousands of damn problems....there is no point in reporting any of them[22:59:02] <urballandchain> Bagga...a couple get fixed every now and then when someone wants to scratch an itch...but otherwise fuck it[22:59:29] <Bagga> so what you're saying is that sound will always be unsynced in Linux? that's blatantly false[22:59:37] <Bagga> I think you're misattributing a problem here[23:00:25] <urballandchain> Bagga..i hardly said that..so why try to demean me...you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin turd[23:00:45] <bugzbunny> hahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahhaha[23:00:46] <Bagga> I ain't demeaning anyone here mate.[23:01:03] *** giricz81 <giricz81!~giricz81@ip4-83-240-38-90.cust.nbox.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:01:04] <meskarune> negen, Strit, shariebeth, rin[23:01:15] <meskarune> ringo, pee[23:01:24] <meskarune> peetaur2[23:01:38] <urballandchain> you goddamn hardware sons of bitches need to pay the trillions in royalties you owe the 5 of us model 1 people[23:01:56] *** PurpleIbex53 <PurpleIbex53!47309164@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.48.145.100> has joined #manjaro[23:02:19] *** icywiz <icywiz!ice@glitchy.animatronic.life> has joined #manjaro[23:02:59] <NanoSector> calm down[23:04:05] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@dsl-197-245-81-217.voxdsl.co.za> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 257 seconds)[23:04:19] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@169-0-80-109.ip.afrihost.co.za> has joined #manjaro[23:04:41] <Jeannie> Ignorelist +1[23:04:49] <urballandchain> NanoSector..fuck you..bastard...i guess you would have zonked out when they were murdering Anne Frank..you goddamn crooked nigger dick suckin turd...some people say kill the goddamn bastards before they kill another Anne Frank...that was why many soldiers fought in ww2[23:05:06] <NanoSector> sigh, not this again[23:05:39] <urballandchain> Nano...instead of sitting on their goddamn asses and letting people murder helpless little girls with their guns and badges and crooked ass laws.[23:06:35] *** sunn <sunn!~manjaro-k@2a00:23c5:3900:f000:af78:87d2:a4b9:f2b9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[23:10:33] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@179.154.124.39> has joined #manjaro[23:11:28] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m83-176-23-239.cust.tele2.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: ------)[23:11:36] <bugzbunny> hmmm[23:12:43] *** whytrytofly 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of dollars you owe all 5 of us model 1 people[23:21:27] <whytrytofly> and why isnt he banned?[23:22:26] <meskarune> whytrytofly: idk, I pinged the ops and folks in freenode and no one is doing shit[23:23:14] *** Sargosse <Sargosse!~Sargosse@ARennes-658-1-134-119.w90-32.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[23:23:20] <PurpleIbex53> Fraew[23:23:29] <urballandchain> you sons of bitches probably don't even know the difference between dinkgon warrior and dragon warrior[23:23:30] *** manjaro-web|3180 <manjaro-web|3180!56059ce8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.5.156.232> has joined #manjaro[23:24:08] *** manjaro-web|3180 <manjaro-web|3180!56059ce8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.5.156.232> has left #manjaro[23:24:16] <whytrytofly> cya[23:24:17] <whytrytofly> ;)[23:24:19] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@dslb-094-222-105-139.094.222.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:24:32] *** urballandchain <urballandchain!~jamesande@172.56.39.175> has 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alternative to firefox or chromium?[23:39:16] <NanoSector> i use qupzilla[23:39:52] <badbodh> i use my imagination[23:39:56] <NanoSector> lol[23:40:00] <badbodh> ;)[23:40:24] <Condor> :v[23:40:32] <Jeannie> I use Qupzila too[23:40:46] <Condor> gonna try it out[23:41:11] *** PurpleIbex53 <PurpleIbex53!47309164@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.48.145.100> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[23:41:24] <vexare> lightfox or palemoon[23:41:58] <NanoSector> lightfox is a lighting control system according to google :P[23:42:07] <Condor> https://clbin.com/mXOJk[23:42:08] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7obuIL] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)[23:42:48] *** rhg136 <rhg136!6cab84aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.171.132.170> has joined #manjaro[23:42:51] <NanoSector> sounds like you don't have opengl enabled somewhere[23:43:25] <Condor> might very well be[23:43:31] * Condor hates nvidia[23:43:33] <rhg136> yo[23:43:47] <rhg136> everyone does[23:44:21] *** batch <batch!~batch@unaffiliated/batch> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:44:26] <Condor> :/[23:44:58] <Condor> how about dwb?[23:45:26] <NanoSector> never used it[23:45:58] <Condor> it's like extremely lightweight, but still graphical[23:46:10] *** Manj-1509-Lxde <Manj-1509-Lxde!~manjaro@user-94-254-169-26.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[23:46:10] *** Manj-1509-Lxde <Manj-1509-Lxde!~manjaro@user-94-254-169-26.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:46:19] <Jeannie> I don't hate Nvidia[23:46:21] <Condor> it has a vim-like touch to it though[23:47:20] <Condor> sounds like you never experienced the nvidia pain on linux[23:47:44] <rhg136> Jeannie: you are one in a million[23:47:46] <Condor> i mean, they're good on windows but on linux?[23:48:01] <bugzbunny> wait wait wait wait[23:48:18] <bugzbunny> Jeannie hates _everything_ and she doesn't hate Nvidia[23:48:25] *** anonyth <anonyth!~manjaro-k@c-71-237-167-131.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 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peer)[23:55:16] <Condor> wut[23:55:19] * rhg136 is not at home and it sucks[23:55:21] *** manj-budgie <manj-budgie!~manjaro-b@2001:8a0:e509:d201:ecd6:f245:77cd:95ce> has joined #manjaro[23:55:23] <Condor> they blocked imgur there? :o[23:55:29] *** manj-budgie <manj-budgie!~manjaro-b@2001:8a0:e509:d201:ecd6:f245:77cd:95ce> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:55:34] <rhg136> for some reason[23:55:40] <Condor> fuck those cunts[23:55:47] <Condor> consider ssh tunneling :)[23:55:50] <negen> oh sorry bugzbunny i must have missunderstood its just that in most parts of the english and none english speaking words when people use the word weirdos they are speaking of batch[23:56:06] <bugzbunny> hahaha[23:56:09] <rhg136> they blocked my ip too :\[23:56:12] * bugzbunny looks at Batch[23:56:19] <Condor> XD![23:56:20] <bugzbunny> whelp, he left[23:56:40] <Condor> vpn?[23:56:55] <rhg136> I blame forntier giving me a spammer's ip[23:57:35] <rhg136> they also block most ports[23:57:41] <Condor> static ip?[23:57:53] <Condor> if it's dynamic you could just unplug your modem :)[23:58:01] <rhg136> but frontier...[23:58:08] <rhg136> they suck[23:58:32] <rhg136> I get another bad ip[23:58:49] <Condor> i think it's like 10 minutes for most isp's to change your ip[23:58:56] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[23:59:10] <Condor> o.o[23:59:15] <rhg136> that whole section of their ip pool is bad[23:59:24] <Condor> damn[23:59:59] <bugzbunny> rhg136, I understand your pain