[00:00:16] <uberbunny> k
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[00:00:35] <uberbunny> ahh, you add your excludes inthat text file
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[00:01:40] <uberbunny> I have to step out for a second
[00:02:24] <mike-zal2> yeap
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[00:03:16] <mike-zal2> I am adding lines with exceptions and all of the work, except those damn symlinks with spaces. also dicovered that /VirtualBox VMs does the same problem
[00:03:31] <mike-zal2> it's also a symlink with spaces
[00:05:43] <rhg136> maybe you have to tell it to follow symlinks
[00:07:53] <mike-zal2> that's the problem, it follows the symlink, why I don't want it
[00:08:00] <mike-zal2> when I don't want it*
[00:09:00] <mike-zal2> I do want to follow symlinks but not those two ones (steam and virtualbox) so I am trying to put it on ignore list, but it's not respecting them. all other folders on that list are omited but not those ones
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[00:10:38] <rhg136> hmm
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[00:12:25] <Kjeldmis> hm. I would write a bash script that proper escapes entries before reading the text file.
[00:12:40] <Kjeldmis> using sed for string replace
[00:15:16] <mike-zal2> you;re talking chineese now ;p. me and writing scripys doesn't mix
[00:17:47] <rhg136> this seems like a not-uncommon case; my ~ is filled with symlinks
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[00:19:12] <mike-zal2> usually rsync just copies symlinks as symlinks. that works for most and causes no issues
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[00:19:38] <mike-zal2> the problem beginns when you add parameter to treat symlinks as directories
[00:20:09] <mike-zal2> meaning: rsync creates directory instead symlink with content that follows symlink
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[00:20:33] <mike-zal2> and it's also ok, but what if you want to exclude some symlinks like I want?
[00:20:34] <rhg136> I mean not selectively following symlinks
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[00:20:49] <mike-zal2> and what if, those pesky symlinks comes with spaces in the name?
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[00:21:04] <Kjeldmis> mike-zal2: so it doesnt copy your data, just creates a directory?
[00:21:10] <mike-zal2> I thought I't just enough to put it on exclude list
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[00:21:57] <mike-zal2> no. if I have symlink "my stuff" it creates directory "my stuff" with its full content
[00:22:22] <Kjeldmis> ... and you dont want that?
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[00:22:25] <mike-zal2> the issue is. thos pesky symlinks not only have spaces and don't want to be ignored
[00:22:40] <rhg136> the "fix" is to readlink it before adding it to the file
[00:22:50] <mike-zal2> but they have symlinks inside that point to higher locations and it creates a loop
[00:22:58] <Kjeldmis> ah.
[00:23:06] <Kjeldmis> Makes sense.
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[00:23:28] <mike-zal2> for example, .wine has C with user and it symlinks to linux user
[00:23:55] <mike-zal2> so inside wine and inside C you have another copy of you user folder and then another and another one...
[00:24:10] <mike-zal2> the same happens with playonlinux
[00:24:10] <Kjeldmis> y, I understand.
[00:24:17] <mike-zal2> the same with teamviewer
[00:24:20] <mike-zal2> and so on
[00:24:31] <Kjeldmis> Wouldnt it just be easier to turn symlinks off?
[00:24:36] <mike-zal2> no
[00:24:53] <mike-zal2> I want some symlinks to be synced as usual directories
[00:25:07] <rhg136> I used hardlinks once
[00:25:34] <rhg136> that worked great :(
[00:25:44] <mike-zal2> my dowloands, music, pictures are in other disc but are symlinked to home. I do want to have them on my backup as if they were directories.
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[00:26:32] <srth|89173> hi :)
[00:26:44] <mike-zal2> I could run two rsync commands but that's not ideal
[00:26:55] <mike-zal2> hi srth|89173
[00:27:28] <mike-zal2> if I could just exculde those problematic folders, all would be pitchy
[00:27:44] <Kjeldmis> then I would just escape them
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[00:28:00] <Kjeldmis> either by hand or using sed in a regular expression
[00:29:07] <Kjeldmis> if its 5 folders I would do it by hand. if its 500, I would write a regular expression and use sed for string replacing... I dont see any other solution than scripting here.
[00:29:45] <mike-zal2> I don't even understand the description what such script would do, let alone writing it
[00:30:55] <rhg136> wouldn't `sed -i -e 's| |\ |' FILE` work?
[00:31:05] <rhg136> err
[00:31:23] <Kjeldmis> well it would be something like> find all folders with a <space> in it, in some subdirectory containing symlinks. if it finds one with a space, it adds the escape character \ infront of any space.
[00:31:28] <rhg136> `sed -i -e 's| |\\ |' FILE` *
[00:31:52] <srth|89173> um, Anyone knows about a bug on systemctl which causes the system to complain about plymouth (Failed at step EXEC spawning /bin/plymouth: No such file or directory)?
[00:32:16] <rhg136> there is no bug
[00:32:29] <Kjeldmis> heh, the second one should do something like it. But you might need some logic to specify which directory to escape from...
[00:32:38] <rhg136> that's a config thing
[00:32:53] <srth|89173> my bad :(
[00:33:10] <srth|89173> what config thing?
[00:34:13] <uberbunny> disable plymouth service
[00:34:25] <rhg136> I'm not sure; try `grep -r plymouth /etc`
[00:35:16] <negen> there are some threads about that srth|89173
[00:35:18] <negen> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=169931
[00:35:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/Cvba8B] Failed at step EXEC spawning /bin/plymouth: No such file or directory / Pacman & Package Upgrade Issues / Arch Linux Forums
[00:36:27] <negen> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/170667/failed-at-step-exec-spawning-bin-plymouth-debian-testing
[00:36:28] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/oScZXb] upgrade - Failed at step EXEC spawning /bin/plymouth (Debian testing) - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange
[00:36:37] <negen> seems to be a fstab issue
[00:37:03] <srth|89173> oh, thnx
[00:37:11] <negen> I do not use plymouth so I cannont be of more help
[00:37:58] <srth|89173> i don't use it either xD that's what disturbs me the most :O
[00:38:30] <Kjeldmis> then its probably an abandoned service file
[00:38:42] <Kjeldmis> if you used plymouth at some point
[00:38:55] <srth|89173> nope :S
[00:39:18] <Kjeldmis> thats weird
[00:39:45] <negen> plymounth was default in manjaro for a while
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[00:41:44] <mike-zal2> I like playmouths, it's fun to install and use different ones
[00:41:54] <mike-zal2> a pity we have such little choice of them
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[00:42:51] <PMunch> Hmm, trying to update my laptop and I get 403's for all my packages..
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[00:46:49] <mike-zal2> PMunch: I had that too once. I changed mirror and it worked then
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[00:50:55] <PMunch> How did you do that?
[00:51:13] <Kjeldmis> PMunch: sudo pacman-mirrors -g
[00:53:15] <PMunch> Thanks
[00:53:35] <Kjeldmis> PMunch: np mate
[00:58:37] <PMunch> Hmm, now I've got bad signatures..
[00:59:30] <PMunch> One from the package kxmlgui, one "Antonio Rojas" and the other from texlive-core, one "Rémy Oudompheng"
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[01:03:14] <Kjeldmis> PMunch: please post the exact error message.
[01:04:03] <PMunch> Well I'm updating something else now so the error disappeared but it said something to the tune of package corrupt, signature from "<name>" doesn't match
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[01:05:06] <mike-zal2> yeah! i got it!
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[01:05:38] <mike-zal2> instead trying to treat the list as a bash, I just simply used: PlayOnLinux's virtual drives
[01:06:16] <mike-zal2> I tried many combinations and came to it with trial and error
[01:06:57] <mike-zal2> Kjeldmis: and uberbunny I found a way to exlude them finally!
[01:07:00] <ringo> you can always edit it :)
[01:07:04] <ringo> ooops
[01:07:47] <Kjeldmis> mike-zal2: thats great, how did you do it? :)
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[01:08:25] <Kjeldmis> hi ringo :) hows it going?
[01:09:17] <PMunch> Hmm, it seems to have resolved itself..
[01:10:31] <mike-zal2> Kjeldmis: just put on the list "VirtualBox VMs" without quotes. so any / or \ or " or ' were just braking it
[01:10:55] <mike-zal2> so the error was to treat the list like a bash
[01:11:13] <Kjeldmis> mike-zal2: cool, glad u found a solution for it
[01:11:17] <uberbunny> I should have thought of that
[01:11:23] <uberbunny> It's not running in a shell
[01:11:29] <uberbunny> :-p
[01:11:43] <Kjeldmis> y, ofc. :P Its obvious when u think about it
[01:12:01] <mike-zal2> I started just eneter all possibilities one by one folliwing with an execution till I found the option
[01:12:22] <mike-zal2> yeah, it's logical after the fact... ;)
[01:12:37] <Kjeldmis> ah yes, ye good ol' trial n error
[01:13:31] <mike-zal2> luckily there were limted amount of possibilities. where I had all bash alike ones, I started thinking, what else I can put there and then it occured to me, just plain name of the symlink without anything
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[01:16:34] <mike-zal2> it seems that rsync itself is just wrapping it properly for shell, so all it needs is a simple list and then it does the rest.
[01:17:40] <mike-zal2> that is also why other directories without / on the end were properly red
[01:18:23] <mike-zal2> so using .cache is enough because that's exactly the name of that drive
[01:18:38] <mike-zal2> and so was with the symlinks
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[01:19:49] <parana> Good evening, someone knows where I can perform specific package installation queries. I could not find anything on the wiki or google, specifically on Draftsight and WPSOffice, two fundamental applications for my work
[01:20:31] <parana> I am in Argentina
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[01:21:09] <mike-zal2> parana: use AUR
[01:21:17] <parana> Desde ya muchas gracias
[01:21:45] <mike-zal2> like: yaourt nameofthepackage
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[01:22:00] <parana> En AUR de error
[01:22:24] <mike-zal2> parana: yaourt wps-office
[01:22:52] <mike-zal2> and then: yaourt wps-office-extension-spanish-dictionary
[01:22:56] <parana> I'll try it myself
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[01:23:20] <mike-zal2> and then: yaourt draftsight
[01:23:44] <mike-zal2> parana: when it asks you to edit, you say no, when install, yes
[01:23:47] <mike-zal2> and that's all
[01:23:51] <mike-zal2> simple as that
[01:25:07] <parana> Thanks
[01:25:10] <mike-zal2> or use gui like pamac or octopi to find those packages in AUR and mark them for install
[01:25:51] <parana> I try and then comment, very grateful boys
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[01:27:28] <mike-zal2> parana: you may want to install also: ttf-wps-win10 and ttf-wps-fonts if you work on those files on windows systems too
[01:29:24] <negen> parana, wps is borked at the moment and I believe is no longer under development
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[01:29:45] <negen> even once you install the windows fonts it will complain that the fonts are missing
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[01:32:28] <mike-zal2> have to go. bye
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[01:34:56] <parana> Errors occurred, so the packages were not updated
[01:35:12] <parana> ==> WARNING: Your packages have been saved in / tmp / yaourt-tmp-guillermo
[01:35:26] <parana> ??
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[01:35:51] <parana> wps-office by yourt
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[01:38:17] <parana> Now i will try yaourt draftsight
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[02:29:49] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[02:30:06] <uberbunny> hey
[02:30:30] <CountryfiedLinux> Have y'all heard the news about what's been going on in east TN?
[02:31:35] <uberbunny> TN?
[02:31:55] <CountryfiedLinux> Tennessee
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[02:32:45] <uberbunny> I was thinking that, what about it?
[02:33:37] <CountryfiedLinux> The wildfires in Gatlinburg. Huge fires and 7 people killed so far.
[02:34:07] <uberbunny> k
[02:34:19] <CountryfiedLinux> Just look up Gatlinburg.
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[02:39:38] <uberbunny> Wildfires is common like earth quakes
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[02:39:46] <uberbunny> We have them
[02:41:10] <uberbunny> And Hurricanes
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[02:41:25] <uberbunny> Tornadoes
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[03:06:10] <uberbunny> CountryfiedLinux, You following DALP
[03:10:50] <CountryfiedLinux> uberbunny, What's that?
[03:11:19] <uberbunny> The Dokata pipe line
[03:11:26] <uberbunny> Natives protesting
[03:11:47] <CountryfiedLinux> What's dokata?
[03:12:53] <uberbunny> Sigh, let me get spell checking... I didn't know you were that person
[03:12:57] <uberbunny> One sec
[03:13:20] <CountryfiedLinux> Oh Dakota.
[03:13:43] <CountryfiedLinux> I'm not familiar with it.
[03:14:01] <uberbunny> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/31/north-dakota-access-pipeline-protest-last-stand
[03:14:06] <uberbunny> Massive protest
[03:14:37] <uberbunny> It's interesting but I think Natives are marginalize
[03:14:47] <uberbunny> more than black people
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[03:21:45] <CountryfiedLinux> uberbunny, If it's a danger to the water supply that's a huge problem.
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[03:24:00] <sam457> hi
[03:24:22] <sam457> [root@evolution ~]# cat /etc/lsb-release
[03:24:23] <sam457> DISTRIB_ID=ManjaroLinux
[03:24:23] <sam457> DISTRIB_RELEASE=17.0-dev
[03:24:23] <sam457> DISTRIB_CODENAME=Gellivara
[03:24:23] <sam457> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Manjaro Linux"
[03:25:24] <sam457> my pacman-mirrors.conf says stable
[03:25:43] <sam457> so why is my lsb-release got upgraded to a development version
[03:26:02] <sam457> more over I can't find a manjaro version 17.0 in public
[03:26:17] <sam457> please enlighten
[03:29:50] <CountryfiedLinux> According to Wikipedia, my favorite song was written between 1859-1940.
[03:31:09] <Kjeldmis> 17 is development / unstable
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[03:32:15] <Kjeldmis> Current version is Fringilla, 16.10 sam457
[03:34:04] <Kjeldmis> sam457: I cant tell you why, however, its easy to reverse.
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[03:49:38] <sam457> Thanks Kjeldmis..
[03:49:45] <sam457> please help me with how to reverse
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[03:54:42] <uberbunny> sam457, You are on a testing branch?
[03:55:18] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Strit had said, he doesn't understand these new point releases
[03:55:30] <uberbunny> It's confusing a lot of people
[03:56:13] <uberbunny> I think Manjaro is trying to be newish, but no matter what version you install
[03:56:20] <uberbunny> pacman -Syyi
[03:56:23] <CountryfiedLinux> sam457, Does it work the way it's supposed to?
[03:57:38] <Kjeldmis> sam457: please post the result of pacman -Qi manjaro-release
[03:58:14] <Kjeldmis> on a pastebin ofc :)
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[03:58:49] <sam457> I just done sudo pacman -S manjaro-release
[03:59:04] <sam457> it fixed to version 16.10
[03:59:24] <sam457> Thanks guys..
[03:59:31] <Kjeldmis> np mate.
[03:59:37] <sam457> followed this https://forum.manjaro.org/t/solved-how-to-get-back-from-dev-channel-to-stable-channel/8606/15
[04:00:14] <Kjeldmis> y, it was something like that I wanted to do also, first I just wanted to check if manjaro-release was installed. :)
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[04:01:59] <sam457> yep, thanks anyways good day :)
[04:02:17] <uberbunny> Do you seriously that change anything sam457
[04:02:25] <uberbunny> s/that/think/
[04:03:08] <uberbunny> You really believe that manjaro-release has truly change the circumstances of a manjora install?
[04:03:18] <uberbunny> When it only changes version numbers
[04:03:20] <Kjeldmis> well, it changes the version number... :P.
[04:03:27] <uberbunny> When it only changes version numbers
[04:03:37] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, ^^
[04:05:48] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I think I off with my balances when it comes to helping people
[04:06:14] <uberbunny> I just like to focus on folks who actually understand what is going on
[04:06:25] * uberbunny drools
[04:06:32] <Kjeldmis> how so ? :)#
[04:06:50] <Kjeldmis> ah
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[04:07:18] <Kjeldmis> well, I think this is the wrong channel >p Alot of clueless people find their way here
[04:07:40] <uberbunny> We get a few
[04:07:51] <uberbunny> Going through step by step
[04:07:59] <uberbunny> It's just not my thang
[04:08:21] <uberbunny> That's if, people give enough information
[04:08:25] <Kjeldmis> He just wanted the version number to match the distro branch. Easy peasy.
[04:08:34] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Pff
[04:08:48] <uberbunny> I am not even thinking about that Kjeldmis
[04:08:53] <Kjeldmis> :P
[04:09:03] <uberbunny> I forgot about him after his problem was solve
[04:10:11] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I can't wait to get my MSI
[04:10:17] <uberbunny> Rx 480
[04:10:26] <uberbunny> I will buy it on friday
[04:10:31] * uberbunny drools
[04:10:41] <Kjeldmis> My GTX 750ti gotta survive a few years more
[04:10:49] <uberbunny> hhehehe
[04:10:53] <uberbunny> Pfff
[04:11:20] <Kjeldmis> come on old garl, u can do it *pets the card*
[04:11:25] <uberbunny> My RX480 outperforms 1070 for price per performance ratio
[04:11:29] <uberbunny> Well
[04:11:33] <uberbunny> when I get it
[04:11:39] * uberbunny drools
[04:11:53] <uberbunny> I hoping my PSU handles it
[04:12:03] <uberbunny> with a 6pin to 8pin adapter
[04:12:04] <Kjeldmis> Yeah, Im still concerned about the quality of the AMDGPUPRO drivers.
[04:12:17] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Windows man, Windows
[04:12:24] <uberbunny> Game in LINUX?
[04:12:27] <Kjeldmis> oh, well no fuzz there.
[04:12:28] <uberbunny> no way!
[04:12:39] <Kjeldmis> Yeah, I only game on linux
[04:12:42] <uberbunny> hahahahaha @ no fuzz there
[04:12:48] <uberbunny> okay
[04:13:22] <Kjeldmis> hoping bethesda some day will see the light and release for Linux as well...
[04:13:34] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I plan to take out my mobo out of it's case and place the mobo on card board... for now
[04:13:45] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, What game?
[04:14:05] <Kjeldmis> any of them. Fallout / Elder Scrolls series.
[04:14:32] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Since you brought that up, there is a Fallout 4 survival mode
[04:14:35] <uberbunny> I just torrent it
[04:14:48] <Kjeldmis> Skyrim runs decent in wine though... cant say the same about Fallout 4...
[04:15:01] <Kjeldmis> Oh yeah, I bought that game a while back.
[04:15:19] <uberbunny> I have it install, that's my far cry 3 for now.. I need to beat that game.. but that's 6 months.. because Fallout 4 is LONGGGG
[04:16:01] <Kjeldmis> Fallout 4? I completed it in a week or so... about 20 hours gaming time...
[04:16:10] <uberbunny> What?
[04:16:13] <uberbunny> Nah nah
[04:16:16] <uberbunny> Not for me
[04:16:38] <uberbunny> Because, honestly, I may play games maybe 1 or 2 times a month
[04:16:41] <Kjeldmis> If you skip all the pointless building and go straight to questing, 20 hours or so will do it.
[04:16:49] <uberbunny> Nah not me
[04:17:09] <uberbunny> I love questing, I love doing little things
[04:17:20] <uberbunny> I love doing crafting
[04:17:31] <Kjeldmis> yeah, me 2, but its so pointless in fallout 4.. .
[04:17:59] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, You saw my Live Stream of Far Cry 3, I spent most of my time hunting and doing side quest before I focus on the main story
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[04:18:33] <Kjeldmis> Crafting gets u places though, but the building system gives no reward to the player...
[04:19:11] <Kjeldmis> set up a few stores, get some beds, place some turrets, rest is just unneeded filling..
[04:19:22] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I have to play to understand what you mean, but getting rewards for completion is not really a bad thing for me... but yeah
[04:19:30] <uberbunny> k
[04:20:15] <Kjeldmis> well, u can mod fallout 4s building system which I would highly recommend.
[04:20:33] <Kjeldmis> then its alot more fun.
[04:20:45] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Well, let me play vanilla for now
[04:21:01] <uberbunny> Because, I am fallout noob
[04:21:06] <Kjeldmis> first playthrough was vanilla for me 2...
[04:21:19] <Kjeldmis> fallout new vegas <3
[04:21:30] <uberbunny> I like expoloring for resources, I like building a vehicle
[04:21:36] <Kjeldmis> now thats an epic game with an epic quest tale.
[04:22:05] <Kjeldmis> pfff fallout 4 cant even compete
[04:22:35] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I played a MMO game quite similar to Fallout, but the only issue, I grinded a lot... I spend 48 hours straight.. NO Sleep.. Even when I was tired.. nothing... I built a ATV
[04:22:42] <uberbunny> It was slow as FUCK
[04:22:46] <uberbunny> I am like
[04:22:51] <uberbunny> That's it!
[04:23:08] <uberbunny> All that grinding for resource and I get a SLOW as ATV
[04:23:19] <uberbunny> I did't play that game afterwards
[04:23:45] <uberbunny> During playing that, a guy ask me to join a guild, but after two days, he never came online
[04:23:49] <Kjeldmis> fallout 4 is alot of grinding aswell... Atleast in vanilla... Fallout new vegas / fallout 3 is more straight to the fun part.
[04:24:21] <uberbunny> k
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[04:24:33] <Kjeldmis> questing, dangerously looking dungeons, well-written characters...
[04:25:10] <Kjeldmis> jesus, I just remembered the insane selftaught wasteland doctor from Fallout 3 :P
[04:25:31] <Kjeldmis> Man she was pure batshit
[04:25:33] <uberbunny> Fallout 3 was way too hard for me
[04:25:48] <uberbunny> Fallout New Vegas was okay, I got far but I lost my save file
[04:25:55] <uberbunny> I didn't want to start all over
[04:26:16] <Kjeldmis> I loved yes man in Fallout New Vegas
[04:26:33] <uberbunny> Fallout 4, I played it, it was bad, I think I went against enemies before I build good armor on my first play though
[04:26:51] <uberbunny> s/was bad/wasn't bad/
[04:26:58] <Kjeldmis> and the expansions were REAL expansions, not some pesky addon for 40$
[04:28:04] <Kjeldmis> Fallout 4 is a good game. Its just when it comes to bethesda, the bar is set high from the start.
[04:28:09] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, There is a Frost Survival Mod
[04:28:15] <uberbunny> I saw game play
[04:28:21] <uberbunny> That's what I want to play
[04:28:29] <optics> i use ubuntu for 1 thing, teamviewer, try to install it and get sorry, ubuntu 16.04 has experienced an internal error.
[04:28:31] <optics> pathetic.
[04:28:33] <uberbunny> But, naw, let me beat Fallout 4 first
[04:28:42] <Kjeldmis> optics: xD
[04:29:34] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I don't mind quest being repetitive
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[04:29:49] <uberbunny> As long it's not, I have to travel a few dozen maps to get it
[04:30:04] <uberbunny> Prices, for the start, not to expensive
[04:30:13] <uberbunny> When I was playing Fallout New Vegas
[04:30:28] <uberbunny> I had a alot of bottle caps
[04:30:42] <uberbunny> So, buying stuff wasn't a problem for me
[04:31:19] <uberbunny> Grinding is too much to a point, where you grind but you get too little for return
[04:31:36] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Like I said, let me play it. and decide on my own
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[04:32:38] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Dammit the sale is over
[04:32:39] <Teknetronic> Anyone know how to disable horizontal 2 finger scrolling with KDE.  Looked into system settings but everything was greyed out
[04:32:46] <uberbunny> It's back at 229
[04:33:09] <uberbunny> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137032&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
[04:34:56] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I am not going to get that card.. it went up
[04:35:34] <Kjeldmis> oh well. Its gotta come down again at some point
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[04:37:30] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I am going to order a new GPU on Friday so I can have it next week
[04:39:01] <uberbunny> If I am going 229.00 for it
[04:39:14] <uberbunny> Let me check the prices @ MicroCenter
[04:40:31] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntt=RX+480
[04:40:35] <uberbunny> 239
[04:40:37] <uberbunny> WTF
[04:41:02] <uberbunny> If order the newegg and pay for quick shipping, it will add up that much
[04:41:55] <uberbunny> XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB GDDR5 PCIe Video Card
[04:42:11] <uberbunny> If it's still a sale on Friday, I will pick that up
[04:42:18] <uberbunny> 4GB for 229
[04:42:20] <uberbunny> meh
[04:42:37] <Kjeldmis> well the 4 GB version is 295 USD here, so 229 is still a pretty good deal xD
[04:44:25] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, MicroCenter is sale'ing a 8GB for the same price
[04:44:43] <uberbunny> That's if the sale last till friday
[04:45:12] <uberbunny> I will pay train ticket and pick it up that day
[04:45:15] <Kjeldmis> My problem with my GTX 750ti isnt that its too slow to run the games, it is that it runs out of RAM. I would opt for the 8gig version any day.
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[04:46:11] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I am 2GB slow GPU
[04:46:16] <uberbunny> It works fine for me
[04:46:23] <Kjeldmis> the textures are simply too big to fit in its 2 GB memory. And system memory is just too slow.
[04:46:27] <uberbunny> Unless you doing some crazy 4k
[04:46:40] <Kjeldmis> I run my games in QHD.
[04:46:48] <uberbunny> brb Kjeldmis
[04:47:18] <Kjeldmis> 2560x1440, and at that res I run out of memory quick in games like GTA V
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[05:09:17] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Still around
[05:10:01] <Kjeldmis> Y, im still here mate :)
[05:10:08] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Uh, I remember, what's the deference between VHD and DVD with Hi-VHD
[05:10:23] <uberbunny> I am back
[05:10:41] <uberbunny> Let me switch to linux because I want to jam to music
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[05:13:26] <uberbunny> Alright, I need to fixed, modprobe my sound drivers
[05:13:28] <uberbunny> Todo List
[05:16:19] <uberbunny> sweet /dev/sda8 on /mnt/d1/ntfs/win10 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[05:16:23] <uberbunny> already mounted
[05:16:43] <uberbunny> Sometimes mounting ntfs can cause system not to boot completely
[05:18:44] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis: My neighbor baby is crying
[05:18:49] <uberbunny> I will keep the music low
[05:24:44] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis: I don't play games that needs more than 2GB besides GTAV
[05:25:19] <uberbunny> I think I am going to switch to archlinux
[05:25:27] <uberbunny> brb
[05:25:38] <uberbunny> mp
[05:25:41] <uberbunny> no
[05:25:50] <uberbunny> Hexchat doesn't have /media
[05:25:52] <uberbunny> meh
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[06:07:54] <manjaro-web|1552> Good nite... I need advice, I have a PC (Acer Aspire Z5801), in the BIOS I can't disable the "powerboot/eufi", so It can run windows7 and ubuntu (using UEFI). Every time (for the last 3 years) I try without success to install Manjaro. Where I can find a good info to manage to install manjaro on this system? * ubuntu works but I when I need to upgra
[06:07:54] <manjaro-web|1552> de this Pc just stops working and I need to do a fresh install.
[06:08:53] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-web|1552: so, this is an UEFI only system?
[06:09:01] <manjaro-web|1552> yes
[06:09:16] <Kjeldmis> Manjaro should work perfectly with that.
[06:09:37] <xangua> failed to find cpu0 device node i got this while trying to boot manjaro lxqt
[06:09:47] <Kjeldmis> Disable secure boot if there is an option for it. otherwise, just install it normally.
[06:10:11] <manjaro-web|1552> I'll will try again this weekend, I got 2 vacation days... no, I can't disable secure boot, no option to doit :(
[06:10:32] <xangua> No option?
[06:11:31] <manjaro-web|1552> It have a simple option to select the UEFI partition to "use at boot" but not to turn off.
[06:11:49] <uberbunny> You can't select a partition, it's not MBR
[06:12:04] <uberbunny> You have to have 1 single FAT32 partition
[06:12:19] <uberbunny> It has have ESP flag
[06:12:31] <uberbunny> It also have to be on a GPT partition
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[06:14:08] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-web|1552: well secure boot and UEFI is two different things.
[06:14:28] <manjaro-web|1552> Yes, I'm really confused with this two things.
[06:14:53] <Kjeldmis> UEFI is a boot system, Secure Boot enforces that you cannot boot systems which isnt encoded with a specific key.
[06:15:25] <manjaro-web|1552> In this system the BIOS doesn't have an option to turn off secure boot, just to select the UEFI partition.
[06:15:42] <manjaro-web|1552> someting like that (I write this by memory)
[06:16:01] <Kjeldmis> well, since you can boot Windows 7 the PC probably doesnt have secure boot
[06:16:15] <Kjeldmis> Windows 7 cant boot on Secure boot enabled systems.
[06:16:26] <Kjeldmis> its too old.
[06:17:02] <manjaro-web|1552> mmmh... (now I know) ... What confuses me more is that ubuntu on a fresh install works, but (in 2015) manjaro wont
[06:17:55] <Kjeldmis> besides, the error you describe should be harmless, and the system should boot given time.
[06:18:15] <Kjeldmis> unless there is another error at play.
[06:19:10] <uberbunny> To begin with, you never explain why it failed, I can't help you if you don't explain what we need to know too help m
[06:19:45] <manjaro-web|1552> This weekend I will take this PC to home from my office to try again... But, I wonder if I need to read something before to proceed. I recall some case when the install just show a blank screen and not way to continue * this was the last showstoper that I see
[06:19:59] <uberbunny> The point release of ISO seems to cause more problems than it solves if the ISO is not built well
[06:20:47] <uberbunny> I doubt the PC came with Windows 7 if its OEM
[06:20:49] <Kjeldmis> manjaro-web|1552: I would also recommend that you do not try the community built isos at first. Choose one of the officially supported versions.
[06:23:13] <uberbunny> All UEFI PCs come with WIndows 8 and above
[06:23:37] <uberbunny> Windows 7 supported UEFI with Service Pack 2
[06:26:42] <manjaro-web|1552> this computer came with windows 7 home and the uefi partition, years ago (2 or 3) I do a clean format to install ubuntu... I have a painful time make work, I was 14.04, then I try to use manjaro but I can't doit, then I install ub.15.10 and again, I try with manjaro.kde, but I fail again, and I go *temporaly with ub. 16.04.1
[06:28:46] <uberbunny> Windows 7 with a UEFI partitoin?
[06:29:06] <manjaro-web|1552> really weird... rigth?
[06:29:18] <uberbunny> No, I install Windows 7 all the time
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[06:29:51] <uberbunny> Windows 7 besides Service pack 2 doesn't create FAT32 partition, that's retail
[06:30:08] <uberbunny> OEM's does ship computers with Windows 7 with UEFI
[06:30:17] <uberbunny> s/does/doesn't,
[06:31:03] <uberbunny> manjaro-web|1552, What is the model of your mother board?
[06:31:09] <Kjeldmis> well some OEMs do, its just really rare.
[06:31:16] <manjaro-web|1552> This PC was and edition that came ... nearly when windows 8 was released... I don't know maybe is prepared to works. I can't assure... but you can imagine my goosebumps when I see that and I don't have a backup disk install and neither windows/linux working
[06:32:10] <Kjeldmis> oh, a standard windows 7 with SP2 slipstreamed can boot UEFI no problem
[06:32:11] <manjaro-web|1552> In this moment I don't have the model... I only remember is an Acer Aspire Z5801 .... *I really wish to don't have it :)
[06:32:42] <manjaro-web|1552> this is the kind of rare that I was afraid I got
[06:33:34] <Kjeldmis> chill, its nothing compared to my Macbook with custom gmux. that right there should be an easy fix.
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[06:34:04] <manjaro-web|1552> But as I say... I got 2 day to re-try again... I will put another clean HD and try to install manjaro xfce... kde is giving me troubles at home... and at work I need to be fast :)
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[06:35:13] <manjaro-web|1552> I don't know about Mac... no $ to spent on this luxury :) I Just envy people that can :)
[06:36:42] <manjaro-web|1552> Really with this little chat I learn a lot thanks Kjeldmis and uberbunny. Regards ..... Long Live and Prosper to you all.
[06:37:01] <Kjeldmis> np mate
[06:37:29] <uberbunny> u to
[06:37:36] <uberbunny> Thats how I learn
[06:37:38] <uberbunny> I read
[06:37:44] <uberbunny> and research
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[06:39:02] <manjaro-web|1552> +1 +1 :) Good nite good people :D
[06:39:11] <uberbunny> ltr
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[07:22:44] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I asked in #suse, how to install opensuse
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[07:22:46] <uberbunny> err
[07:22:50] <uberbunny> I mean spotify
[07:22:56] * uberbunny is pissed off
[07:23:00] <uberbunny> Errr
[07:23:09] <uberbunny> They did not consider that
[07:23:13] <uberbunny> wow
[07:23:25] <uberbunny> Is on archlinux
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[07:39:15] <Kjeldmis> uberbunny: lol wtf.
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[07:40:04] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I asked them how to install opensuse
[07:41:08] <Kjeldmis> now, why would you poke the bear like that?
[07:41:11] <Kjeldmis> xD
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[07:41:59] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I was on OpenSUSE
[07:42:09] <uberbunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.3 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.6 GiB Total (6.3 GiB Free) Swap: 6.9 GiB Total (6.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 689.9 GB / 807.7 GB (117.8 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland XT [Radeon HD 8670 / R7 250/350] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h • Uptime: 1h 50m 2s
[07:42:17] <uberbunny> That just fixed my problem lol
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[07:49:32] <negen> I could understand if the bear looked anything like ringo why someone would want to poke it
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[07:53:43] <Kjeldmis> negen: ringo is such a cute name for a teddybear
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[08:41:30] <NolanSyKinsley> Why is chrome so outdated in the repo? It is six major versions behind....
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[08:45:25] <Kjeldmis> NolanSyKinsley: Im pretty sure Chrome isnt in the repos
[08:45:32] <Kjeldmis> Chromium is tho.
[08:46:08] <NolanSyKinsley> >.> wondering how I installed it then
[08:46:17] <Kjeldmis> its in the AUR
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[08:46:44] <uberbunny> Right, Google Chrome is Aur, it pulls RPM
[08:46:50] <Kjeldmis> yep, chrome is not in the repos
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[08:47:15] <Kjeldmis> NolanSyKinsley: go yell at the AUR package maintainer. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
[08:47:51] <NolanSyKinsley> there is no maintainer on it according to pacman
[08:47:56] <Kjeldmis> ?
[08:47:59] <Kjeldmis> what?
[08:48:08] <NolanSyKinsley> packager, unknown packager
[08:48:16] <uberbunny> Let's start over
[08:48:18] <Kjeldmis> pacman cant install AUR packages...
[08:48:30] <NolanSyKinsley> pamac, sorry
[08:48:31] <uberbunny> NolanSyKinsley, You say Chrome is outdated
[08:48:36] <uberbunny> What is outdated
[08:48:43] <uberbunny> Chromium or Google Chrome?
[08:48:53] <Strit_Laptop> AUR packages are build on the PC, so the packager is unknown, since it's not a binary. And Pacman can not install it, but it sees the package once it's installed.
[08:48:56] <NolanSyKinsley> chrome, chromium is up to date
[08:49:13] <uberbunny> NolanSyKinsley, Flag it as outdated then
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[08:49:26] <Kjeldmis> NolanSyKinsley: have you tried updating the AUR package?
[08:49:39] <Kjeldmis> sudo yaourt -Syu --aur
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[08:51:51] <Kjeldmis> NolanSyKinsley: when I look at the AUR site for chrome, it was updated like 2 weeks ago...
[08:51:53] <Kjeldmis> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/google-chrome
[08:52:06] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, He just said it's up2date
[08:52:17] <Kjeldmis> Maybe you should just update it using the method above.
[08:52:41] <Kjeldmis> Nah, he said chromium is up 2 date, not chrome, or am I missing something?
[08:52:48] <uberbunny> <NolanSyKinsley> Why is chrome so outdated in the repo? It is six major versions behind...
[08:53:02] <uberbunny> <NolanSyKinsley> chrome, chromium is up to date
[08:53:03] <NolanSyKinsley> with sudo yaourt -Syu --aur how do I exclude a package? Geoclue is erroring
[08:53:16] <uberbunny> There is a conflict
[08:53:19] <Kjeldmis> just press no to update it?
[08:53:35] <uberbunny> Oh I understand
[08:53:37] <NolanSyKinsley> didn't give me an option to say no to it
[08:53:39] <Kjeldmis> its the first thing it asks.
[08:53:43] * uberbunny pulls back
[08:53:49] <Kjeldmis> ...
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[08:53:56] <NolanSyKinsley> oh, m
[08:53:56] <uberbunny> I understand now
[08:54:38] <Strit_Laptop> NolanSyKinsley: To say no to one package do a --ignore <package-name> when running the update command.
[08:54:42] <uberbunny> AUR is not Pacman
[08:54:58] <uberbunny> AUR updates when people flag it out outdated
[08:54:59] <Strit_Laptop> But geoclue should be forced updated, because of the file conflicts.
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[08:55:29] <Kjeldmis> Strit_Laptop: he could also just not update that particular package.
[08:55:44] <Strit_Laptop> Yep, why I mentioned the --ignore. :)
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[08:56:21] <Kjeldmis> y, well I dont have that many AUR packages, so I just press N when the option for updating it comes.
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[08:57:33] <Strit_Laptop> But he should probablt still want to update his system at some point.
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[08:58:37] <Kjeldmis> well, I tend to not overwrite system files from packages from the AUR, unless Im sure thats what I want.
[08:58:47] <sund00bie> Hi everyone. Im having some issues updating :(
[08:58:47] <Strit_Laptop> geoclue is not from AUR.
[08:59:00] <sund00bie> linux46-nvidia-304xx: installing nvidia-304xx-utils (1:304.131-1) breaks dependency 'nvidia-304xx-utils=304.132'
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[08:59:07] <sund00bie> This is the issue i kep getting
[08:59:23] <Strit_Laptop> no, it ALSO update AUR packages.
[08:59:24] <sund00bie> any assistance would be appreciated
[08:59:43] <Kjeldmis> ah, well that clarifies it xD
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[09:00:55] <Kjeldmis> sund00bie: well... did you try to install the nvidia driver through pacman?
[09:01:02] <NolanSyKinsley> =/ can't seem to update anything with "sudo yaourt -Syu --aur" get to the actual update part and get "Running makepkg as root is not allowed as it can cause permanent, catastrophic damage to your system." I will have to get back to this later, is late and I got a flight in the morning,
[09:01:04] <prillian5> The "freetype" pgp-signature failure is known ?
[09:01:11] <prillian5> Got it if I try to upgrade
[09:01:33] <Kjeldmis> NolanSyKinsley: just remove the sudo part, and do the command again.
[09:01:34] <Strit_Laptop> prillian5: I assume you already tried reinstalling the keyrings?
[09:01:40] <prillian5> Unknown public key: C1A60EACE707FDA5
[09:01:43] <prillian5> no,
[09:02:06] <Strit_Laptop> Update archlinux-keyring and manjaro-keyring.
[09:02:19] <Strit_Laptop> One of those probably got updated. :)
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[09:02:49] <Kjeldmis> sund00bie: I ask, because thats not how to do it on Manjaro...
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[09:03:10] <prillian5> ok, how do I force upgrade ? In pamac I only can remove
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[09:03:31] <Strit_Laptop> prillian5: sudo pacman -S <package name>
[09:03:41] <Kjeldmis> prillian5: sudo pacman -S archlinux-keyring manjaro-keyring
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[09:04:05] <Kjeldmis> then sudo pacman -Syyu
[09:04:08] <Strit_Laptop> But, if the freetype package is from another repo (like infinality) you need to contact their maintainer.
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[09:05:32] <prillian5> ok, manjaro-keyring wasn't it. Now i try archlinux-keyring
[09:06:17] <prillian5> even not work
[09:06:53] <sund00bie> Kjeldmis, n i didnt install via pacman.
[09:07:15] <uberbunny> Show us sund00bie
[09:07:33] <uberbunny> ' n i didn't instal via pacman'
[09:09:06] <prillian5> found this at aur.archlinux, but got an error: gpg --key-server --recv-keys C1A60EACE707FDA5
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[09:10:15] <uberbunny> Strit_Laptop, THe point release is confusing users
[09:10:34] <prillian5> Any Idea how to solve this?
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[09:10:44] <prillian5> anybody else have this error?
[09:10:47] <uberbunny> prillian5, AUR is not Official Manjaro
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[09:11:08] <prillian5> I know, but adding a key manually sounds like the right way
[09:11:08] <uberbunny> prillian5, I don't understand why you would expect a GPG signature
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[09:11:44] <prillian5> because of the above error-message by upgrading freetype
[09:12:02] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, We've went through this with another guy
[09:12:10] <uberbunny> THe Freetype for some ultimate
[09:12:13] <prillian5> updater response was "wrong public key", so the nearest step is to find the right one ?!
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[09:12:25] <prillian5> Even reinstall keyrings didn't work
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[09:12:36] <uberbunny> Pastebin the complete error mesage
[09:12:51] <uberbunny> Otherwise I can't offer any help
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[09:14:00] <prillian5> http://dpaste.com/2TZAJGZ
[09:14:15] <Kjeldmis> uberbunny: y, I remember the custom repos added to pacman.conf *shivers just by thought of it*
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[09:14:38] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Same shit
[09:14:58] <Kjeldmis> freetype-infinality.. Exactly the same as the other day.
[09:16:15] <Kjeldmis> prillian5: those are custom packages added from the infinality repos. Those packages are not from the Manjaro repos..
[09:17:00] <Kjeldmis> So, you should ask the infinality maintainers to update their packages or remove them and use the ones from Manjaro.
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[09:17:06] <sund00bie> uberbunny, what can i show you ?
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[09:17:38] <prillian5> Kjeldmis: but the paste show, no problem with infinality, even after this successfully check, freetype-2.7.tar.bz2 fails
[09:18:31] <Kjeldmis> Yes, because you cant have both the infinality and the manjaro version of freetype installed. Makes sense, right?
[09:18:56] <prillian5> not for me ^^ , didn't know anything for freetype
[09:19:01] <prillian5> only that it fails to install :)
[09:19:07] <sund00bie> i tried up dating via command i get the following
[09:19:18] <sund00bie> looking for conflicting packages...
[09:19:18] <sund00bie> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
[09:19:18] <sund00bie> :: linux46-nvidia-304xx: installing nvidia-304xx-utils (1:304.131-1) breaks dependency 'nvidia-304xx-utils=304.132'
[09:19:58] <Kjeldmis> so, freetype package from manjaro has probably been overwritten by the one from infinality, and now it complains that it doesnt fit the signature of what was installed.
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[09:20:36] <Kjeldmis> which totally makes sense.
[09:20:38] <prillian5> Kjeldmis: this one are installed currently: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1480580416.jpg
[09:20:44] <prillian5> should I remove one of them ?
[09:22:22] <sund00bie> i installed the nv driver via the setting manager
[09:22:48] <uberbunny> 1) Do you have communith edition of the ISO sund00bie ?
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[09:23:26] <Kjeldmis> ... Well you added a custom repo, and installed software outside of the Manjaro repos, I would start with removing the repo, removing the infinality packages and reinstalling fontconfig and freetype2 from the manjaro repos.
[09:23:29] <sund00bie> in truth im not sure. Ive had this system running for a while
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[09:23:50] <uberbunny> << alright
[09:23:55] <sund00bie> [sund00bie@server app]$ uptime
[09:23:56] <sund00bie>  19:23:35 up 130 days, 59 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.30, 0.31, 0.29
[09:23:56] <sund00bie> [sund00bie@server app]$
[09:24:25] <uberbunny> sund00bie, cat pacman.conf and pastebin
[09:24:42] <sund00bie> will do
[09:24:49] <uberbunny> Thanks sund00bie
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[09:26:28] <sund00bie> uberbunny, thanks for the offer to help
[09:26:35] <uberbunny> no
[09:26:40] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, and me
[09:26:44] <uberbunny> and Strit_Laptop
[09:26:53] <uberbunny> We all trying to help
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[09:27:26] <uberbunny> I just need a bit more information
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[09:29:12] <sund00bie> http://pastebin.com/gbHs5pdc
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[09:31:13] <uberbunny> sund00bie, I am trying to look for original quetestion
[09:31:29] <sund00bie> okay
[09:31:35] <uberbunny> <sund00bie> i tried up dating via command i get the following
[09:31:36] <sund00bie> :: linux46-nvidia-304xx: installing nvidia-304xx-utils (1:304.131-1) breaks dependency 'nvidia-304xx-utils=304.132'
[09:32:04] <uberbunny> okay
[09:32:21] <uberbunny> moves onto prillian5
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[09:33:12] <uberbunny> prillian5, Can you cat /etc/pacman.conf and pastebin
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[09:33:48] <uberbunny> <sund00bie> i tried up dating via command i get the following
[09:33:49] <uberbunny> <sund00bie> looking for conflicting packages...
[09:33:49] <uberbunny> <sund00bie> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
[09:33:49] <uberbunny> <sund00bie> :: linux46-nvidia-304xx: installing nvidia-304xx-utils (1:304.131-1) breaks dependency 'nvidia-304xx-utils=304.132'
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[09:33:58] <uberbunny> dating?
[09:34:01] <uberbunny> meh
[09:34:32] <prillian5> Kjeldmis: ok, I have now reinstall fontconf und remove freeconf2-infinity
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[09:35:46] <prillian5> try to restart and see what happens... but I don't install packages if not needed... maybe freefont from manjaro dosn't fix my needs?? didn't know currently why I've installed... but If I don't miss freetype2-infinity, I won't install it again.
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[09:36:11] <sund00bie> uberbunny, yep. Thats the crux of the issue
[09:36:28] <prillian5> uberbunny:  http://pastebin.com/VGy7e5fZ
[09:36:33] <uberbunny> Thanks
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[09:36:42] <uberbunny> I was so fucking confused
[09:37:36] <sund00bie> haha
[09:38:11] <uberbunny> The issue with your problem is 304.132
[09:38:17] <uberbunny> I do not understand that
[09:38:33] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, said it was 32 bit
[09:38:41] <uberbunny> but that makes no sense too me
[09:38:51] <Kjeldmis> huh?
[09:39:38] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, You said =304.132 means 32 bit
[09:39:43] <sund00bie> yah
[09:39:56] <Kjeldmis> ... no I didnt xD
[09:40:04] <uberbunny> You did mate
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[09:40:14] <uberbunny> LET me not bring up logs mate
[09:40:17] <sund00bie> i think the issue is linux46
[09:40:29] <Kjeldmis> It was regarding infinality packages... wasnt it?
[09:40:35] <uberbunny> no no
[09:40:45] <uberbunny> I said, I didn't understand that number
[09:40:53] <uberbunny> You said, it's 32bit
[09:40:56] <uberbunny> I said
[09:40:57] <sund00bie> why would they want to use an older version of nvidia 304
[09:40:58] <uberbunny> oO
[09:41:18] <Kjeldmis> sund00bie: which card do you have?
[09:41:38] <sund00bie> i read in a fourm that someone asked the developer of linux46 to use the newer verson of nnvidia
[09:41:51] <Kjeldmis> uberbunny: Im pretty sure that was regarding another package...
[09:41:52] <sund00bie> Kjeldmis, GT240
[09:42:07] <Kjeldmis> 240? mobile?
[09:42:09] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I guess you misunderstood
[09:42:29] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, and I mis interpret
[09:42:41] <sund00bie> nah. not GT240M
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[09:43:41] <Kjeldmis> 304 is for old cards...
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[09:44:03] <Kjeldmis> I mean really old cards, like the FX series
[09:44:07] <sund00bie> yep
[09:44:09] <sund00bie> no
[09:44:13] <sund00bie> http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html
[09:44:20] <sund00bie> using the correct driver
[09:44:45] <Kjeldmis> 304 is not the same as 340
[09:44:50] <Kjeldmis> 304 is old.
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[09:45:05] <Kjeldmis> its two different numbers you see?
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[09:45:54] <sund00bie> Kjeldmis, look through the page
[09:45:56] <Kjeldmis> 304 is for old cards like the FX series.
[09:46:32] <Kjeldmis> yes, I see your card is supported by 331 and up.
[09:46:42] <Kjeldmis> You have the 304 version installed.
[09:46:58] <Kjeldmis> <sund00bie> :: linux46-nvidia-304xx: installing nvidia-304xx-utils (1:304.131-1) breaks dependency 'nvidia-304xx-utils=304.132'
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[09:47:06] <Kjeldmis> 304 (!)
[09:47:18] * uberbunny drools
[09:47:25] <Kjeldmis> Is it me who cant read?
[09:47:40] <uberbunny> If I get the XFX RX480 for 229
[09:47:50] <uberbunny> I willbe the boss
[09:48:09] <Kjeldmis> uberbunny: Am I reading this wrong> <sund00bie> :: linux46-nvidia-304xx: installing nvidia-304xx-utils (1:304.131-1) breaks dependency 'nvidia-304xx-utils=304.132'
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[09:48:24] <Kjeldmis> doesnt it explicitly say 304 and not 340?
[09:48:28] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I read that right
[09:48:41] <Kjeldmis> yes it says 304 right? not 340?
[09:48:50] <Kjeldmis> so Im not insane right?
[09:48:51] <uberbunny> But I don't understand =304.132'
[09:48:58] <uberbunny> What fuck is that
[09:49:07] <uberbunny> I do not understnad it
[09:49:14] <sund00bie> oh wow..
[09:49:23] <sund00bie> so i should use 340 vs 304 ?
[09:49:26] <Kjeldmis> No, he shouldnt even run that driver for that card.
[09:49:29] <sund00bie> i must have dyslicia
[09:49:31] <sund00bie> lol
[09:49:47] <Kjeldmis> 331 is the earliest driver with support for ur card.
[09:49:50] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, You understand those numbers
[09:50:02] <sund00bie> ohhhhhh
[09:50:23] <sund00bie> thats right! i remmeber having this issue on another system with this card
[09:50:29] <uberbunny> Understanding those means have a clue why the dep failed
[09:51:32] <Kjeldmis> sund00bie: yes, you should use the current nvidia driver called video-nvidia in manjaro settings manager.
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[09:53:49] <Kjeldmis> uberbunny: 304.132 means major version 304, minor revision 132. So its "version" 132 of the 304 driver
[09:54:33] <sund00bie> Kjeldmis, why would linux46 want an older version of 304 ?
[09:54:48] <Kjeldmis> I have absolutely no idea.
[09:55:04] <Kjeldmis> He shouldnt even use that driver in the first place...
[09:55:34] <Kjeldmis> So Id just switch to the proper driver and stay there ;p
[09:56:41] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, If I give shit to figure out, how you determine that
[09:56:44] <sund00bie> will i have to restart for it to take effect
[09:57:06] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, Gove me documation mate
[09:58:23] <uberbunny> Right now I am chaing priority of processes
[09:58:24] <Kjeldmis> uberbunny: Well its mostly by experience. The old Geforce FX and 6xxx series cant run on anything newer than version 304 of the nvidia driver.
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[09:59:00] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I appreciate that mate but doesn't help me to learn..
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[09:59:29] <Kjeldmis> uberbunny: here is the documentation http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html
[09:59:53] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, I mught join archlinux-clossroom to understand those numbers
[10:00:46] <uberbunny> Kjeldmis, This what I think of nviadia gpu
[10:00:53] <uberbunny> I just took a shit
[10:01:09] <uberbunny> Wait, someone missed Nivida GPU
[10:01:14] <uberbunny> no
[10:01:43] <Reven_> hi. let live link manjaro fluxbox?
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[10:06:22] <Reven_> да японский бог. никто живой ссылки на manjaro fluxbox не знает?
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[10:11:00] <Strit_Laptop> Manjaro Fluxbox has been dead for over a year now.
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[10:17:22] <manjaro-web|2042> pacman -S postgresql
[10:20:34] <manjaro-web|2042> pacman -S mariadb
[10:23:02] <Strit_Laptop> manjaro-web|2042: try in the terminal instead. Might yeild better results.
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[10:45:33] <sponge> Hello
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[10:50:40] <daifuco> hello sometimes If i google for a program it seems to exist on Arch repositories but on packman search there is nothing. What am I missing?
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[10:51:42] <sponge> I saw this on the forum: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/a-cnchi-like-installer-for-manjaro/10943 . And I wondered how necessary is the "feature selection for kde4" that appears in the second picture. And then I wondered how can I do it without cnchi. Is printing support already in manjaro? or should one install cups? is "uncomplicated firewall", just means install 'ufw'? and what should one install in order to enable the "extra truetype fonts"?
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[10:55:50] <uberbunny> drools
[10:56:00] <uberbunny> I can't wait a the new GPu
[10:56:06] <uberbunny> I can't wait
[10:56:29] <day|flip> like?
[10:56:51] <uberbunny> day|flip, I wanted the msi card
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[10:56:58] <uberbunny> but the sale is over
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[10:57:20] <day|flip> rx 470 is not to bad
[10:57:23] <uberbunny> So, if I can pick up XFX for 228
[10:57:25] <uberbunny> no
[10:57:30] <uberbunny> Rx480
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[10:57:51] * uberbunny drools
[10:58:17] <day|flip> ill think you'll be better off with msi
[10:58:53] <uberbunny> dodgejcr, The sale is over, I am hoping I an grab now 229 xfx card for 229
[10:59:00] <day|flip> xfx only thing they got going is easy removable fan
[11:00:06] <uberbunny> dodgejcr, I hoping the sale last till friday
[11:00:24] <day|flip> i think he a sleep
[11:00:51] <uberbunny> Why would you think that day|flip ?
[11:01:02] <day|flip> cuz it 4am were he at
[11:01:26] <uberbunny> Alright, you just guessing
[11:01:43] <day|flip> im not guessing
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[11:03:02] <uberbunny> day|flip, How do you know dodgejcr is sleeping?
[11:04:15] <uberbunny> day|flip, You just said you not guessing
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[11:04:32] <day|flip> he work has kids. and going to collage.
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[11:05:21] <uberbunny> day|flip, Hmmm, let me copy and paste when I spoke to dodgejcr
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[11:13:38] <whytrytofly> hi
[11:14:19] <uberbunny> I am looking for where Konversation store logs
[11:14:29] <whytrytofly> http://pastebin.com/sm5BTeYV
[11:14:34] <whytrytofly> i cannot start clementine anymore
[11:14:40] <whytrytofly> do you understand which lib is missin
[11:15:27] <peetaur2> uberbunny: ~/logs/
[11:15:48] <Strit_Laptop> whytrytofly: protobuf got updated recently. Clementine needs to be updated too.
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[11:16:27] <whytrytofly> is clementine AUR?
[11:16:35] <whytrytofly> or why wouldnt it be updated auto...
[11:16:39] <day|flip> no. it should be in the repo
[11:16:39] <Strit_Laptop> whytrytofly: did you install AUR or not?
[11:17:05] <whytrytofly> not sure ;)
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[11:17:14] <Strit_Laptop> there are clementine-git and clementine-qt5-git in AUR, so check which you have installed.
[11:17:31] <whytrytofly> AUR i guess
[11:17:33] <whytrytofly> thanks
[11:18:25] <Strit_Laptop> So rebuild and reinstall the package. :)
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[11:20:16] <whytrytofly> sure
[11:20:24] <whytrytofly> maybe replace by qt5...which is more actual
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[11:22:49] <Strit_Laptop> qt4 is on the way out, so sounds like a good idea.
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[11:24:47] <ringo> clementine-qt5 bugged out of me lols
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[11:26:05] <peetaur2> whytrytofly: aktuell == current / up to date != actual == real
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[11:28:30] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:27:57 PM EST] <dodgejcr>	morning
[11:28:30] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:28:07 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	yo
[11:28:31] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:28:17 PM EST] <dodgejcr>	finally all the family has left
[11:28:31] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:28:37 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	pfff :-p xD
[11:28:31] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:29:48 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	dodgejcr: How was thanks giving?
[11:28:31] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:30:15 PM EST] Quit	sotram (~sotram at cblmdm134-228-69-208 dot buckeyecom.net) has left this server (Quit: leaving).
[11:28:34] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:30:17 PM EST] <dodgejcr>	decent I suppose. I have a small family but they were all here. About 10 or so people
[11:28:37] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:30:25 PM EST] <dodgejcr>	yours?
[11:28:41] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:30:34 PM EST] Quit	vexare (uid37544 at gateway/web/irccloud dot com/x-kpintvmkungbmonm) has left this server (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity).
[11:28:44] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:30:41 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	pffff...
[11:28:46] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:31:05 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	Getting opensuse to boot, sound working, now kdewallet.. That's pretty my thanks gving xD
[11:28:49] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:31:41 PM EST] <dodgejcr>	tbh I miss those thanksgivings lol. single and away from home. It was an ultimate day of relaxation
[11:28:52] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:31:52 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	LOL
[11:28:54] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:32:04 PM EST] <dodgejcr>	also, chinese take-out
[11:28:56] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:32:21 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	If I was told about today, I would have no IDEA today was thanksgiving
[11:28:59] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:32:35 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	But to be honest, I do wish I was doing something else but this xD
[11:29:02] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:33:56 PM EST] <dodgejcr>	Right, there were a few years I would host a thanksgiving with a whole bunch of fellow navy guys and gals that were away from their families and couldnt go back.
[11:29:03] <day|flip> now you just spamming the hell out of the irc
[11:29:05] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:34:39 PM EST] <dodgejcr>	but for about 3 years I spent it alone. I really enjoyed those. Im not much into holidays to begin with but those were perfect. I would sit at home with football and beer. Never pants
[11:29:11] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:35:02 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	hahahahaha
[11:29:13] * peetaur2 smacks uberbunny on the nose with the pastebin bat
[11:29:13] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:35:59 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	I don't even celberate my own birthday xD
[11:29:15] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:36:41 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	New Years is about only holiday I like celebrate... But going to NY early, and wait 12 hours in the COLD for the ball to drop
[11:29:18] <uberbunny> [Thursday, November 24, 2016] [8:36:45 PM EST] <bugzbunny>	Just no fun xD,
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[11:30:34] <uberbunny> day|flip, Hold on, I got another day I spoke to him
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[11:30:49] <peetaur2> uberbunny: pastebin it next time
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[11:32:48] <uberbunny> peetaur2, Fuck paste bin
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[11:33:19] <uberbunny> Let find another log
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[11:34:01] <day|flip> another day? not today or just a few hour ago?
[11:34:28] <uberbunny> <day|flip> he work has kids. and going to collage.
[11:34:33] <day|flip> lol
[11:34:42] <day|flip> :)
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[11:37:22] <uberbunny> Nah, I am looking for another log
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[11:37:46] <whytrytofly> peetaur2, hehe
[11:37:46] <whytrytofly> peetaur2, thanks for this clearification
[11:37:53] <uberbunny> I actually don't want to do it, for you screen, it's throttled
[11:38:07] <uberbunny> It just looks stupid
[11:38:54] <peetaur2> bitte
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[11:45:30] * uberbunny switching to windows
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[11:51:15] <uberbunny> Client: HexChat 2.12.3 • OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) • CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G   (3.10GHz) • Memory: 7.9 GiB Total (5.2 GiB Free) • Storage: 791.9 GiB / 892.4 GiB (100.4 GiB Free) • VGA: AMD Radeon R7 200 Series • Uptime: 5m 9s
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[11:52:54] <uberbunny> dodgejcr, I might get XFX if it's still on sale
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[11:55:48] <uberbunny> wow
[11:55:54] <uberbunny> they brought it all
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[11:59:04] <uberbunny> http://www.microcenter.com/product/466607/Radeon_RX_480_8GB_GDDR5_PCIe_Video_Card
[11:59:27] <uberbunny> XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB GDDR5 PCIe Video Card
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[11:59:47] <uberbunny> It's still on sale
[12:00:20] <uberbunny> 7 in stock at Philadelphia/St. Davids Store
[12:00:27] * uberbunny drools
[12:00:46] <day|flip> now don't start striping ok
[12:02:38] <uberbunny> I wish I can order it now
[12:02:44] * uberbunny drools
[12:03:35] <uberbunny> 1 x PCI-E 6-pin
[12:03:39] <uberbunny> Nice
[12:04:15] <uberbunny> it's slower than MSI
[12:06:56] <uberbunny> I will pick it up tomorrow
[12:07:00] <uberbunny> drools
[12:09:30] <uberbunny> Friday
[12:09:34] <uberbunny> drools
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[12:13:21] <uberbunny> I can't wait
[12:13:27] <uberbunny> drools
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[12:26:14] <loner269> morning
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[14:55:19] <sponge> Why is the link from https://manjaro.org/get-manjaro/ to https://downloads.sourceforge.net/manjarotorrents/manjaro-kde-16.10.3-stable-x86_64.torrent not available?
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[15:01:00] <darek80> yes god 16.10.3 game steam skype
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[15:01:46] <darek80> my xfce
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[15:20:12] <marco-parillo> In today's unstable updates I got the new logo on the Manjaro welcome screen, but something that worried me: lib32-libdrm-2.4.74-1-x86_64.
[15:20:50] <marco-parillo> Until I learned that DRM did not stand for Digital Restrictions Management, but Direct Rendering Manager. Whew.
[15:21:44] <Jeannie> Actually it would be rights, not restrictions
[15:21:57] <Jeannie> But practically it doesn*t matter
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[15:23:58] <marco-parillo> Their rights, my restrictions. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/opposing-drm.en.html
[15:24:01] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/osiPJX] (link was unresponsive: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/opposing-drm.en.html)
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[17:30:58] <sponge> Can anyone guess Tids' theme from this picture: https://i.imgur.com/WO5b93d.jpg ?
[17:30:59] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/xYkxAL] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
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[17:51:27] <That1BackYard_20> Hello!!
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[18:01:43] <TheGillies> I don't know any themes besides default manjaro theme because it's too sexy to change
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[18:03:21] <TheGillies> marco-parillo: I think it's kinda ironic stallman is against DRM considering the GPL dictates what you're allowed to do with the software
[18:05:47] <That1BackYard_20> Hey ghillies use arc themes
[18:06:21] <That1BackYard_20> with oranchelo ICONS
[18:06:21] <That1BackYard_20> they are SEXYYYYYYY
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[18:06:47] <That1BackYard_20> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/arc-gtk-theme
[18:06:48] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/8T4OnC] Arc Is a Gorgeous GTK Theme for Linux Desktops (Updated) - OMG! Ubuntu!
[18:06:55] <That1BackYard_20> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/oranchelo-flat-icon-theme-linux-desktop
[18:06:57] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/7PlLO1] Oranchelo is a Flat Icon Theme for the Linux Desktop - OMG! Ubuntu!
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[18:07:38] <That1BackYard_20> Yoo any1 know if its possible to install blackarch tools in manjaro?
[18:07:46] <That1BackYard_20> cause i want to install them all
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[18:08:03] * TheGillies checks it out
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[18:38:59] <Kjeldmis> That1BackYard_20: same way as you would do it on arch.
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[19:17:40] <manjaroi3_> hi
[19:18:01] <Kjeldmis> hi
[19:19:05] <manjaroCinnamon> hi too
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[19:26:52] <manjaroi3> hi
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[19:42:48] <Fayn> I'm trying to setup vpn client with strongswan and network manager (IPSec/IKEv2). For whatever reason connect fails. Is this error caused by some local service or in my server's side? https://dpaste.de/A6Nf/raw
[19:42:49] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/c7YDkW] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
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[19:43:55] <Kjeldmis> Fayn, I would say that this> feature CUSTOM:NetworkManager backend in critical plugin 'nm-backend' failed to load_
[19:44:03] <Kjeldmis> means its a local issue
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[19:46:06] <Kjeldmis> If I read that error correctly, the interface is never created locally.
[19:47:23] <Fayn> yeah there isn't one
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[19:47:50] <Fayn> trying something, but requires reboot ->
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[19:47:57] <Kjeldmis> well there need to be one before you can configure it and bring the tunnel up
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[20:28:51] <Naologramme> Hi
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[20:31:44] <Kjeldmis> hi
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[20:36:12] <Morrog> good evening all
[20:37:01] <Kjeldmis> evening
[20:37:39] <Kjeldmis> Fayn: did you resolve your issue?
[20:38:09] <Fayn> not really, but i got it work manually after editing /etc/ipsec.conf
[20:38:16] <Morrog> I installed manjaro next to windows and ubuntu, but my grub (controlled by ubuntu) won't boot manjaro. I've read this is a known problem, but i can't fix it, sadly. I could use some help :)
[20:38:38] <Fayn> i may be missing some package, or maybe it doesn't work without systemd
[20:38:59] <Kjeldmis> Fayn: I dont think systemd is required
[20:39:53] <Kjeldmis> keep in mind that NM is slightly buggy, and because of that I always opt for manual configuration of VPN tunnels.
[20:40:33] <Kjeldmis> The error you posted earlier suggests that NM is unable to create the tunnel interface.
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[20:41:14] <Kjeldmis> Morrog: well, you need to specify a custom grub boot entry for manjaro.
[20:41:19] <Fayn> Kjeldmis, yeah it certainly looks that way.
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[20:43:03] <Kjeldmis> Morrog: or if you already got a boot entry, you need to verify that /root is specified correctly within that entry.
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[20:44:05] <Kjeldmis> correct that, run update-grub, and Manjaro should boot right off the bat.
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[20:44:26] <Morrog> if i look in the ubuntu /boot/grub/grub.cfg, it has initrd /boot/intel-ucode.img
[20:44:48] <manjy_manjaro> hello, which packages can I safely remove from Manjaro KDE while not disturbing system files??
[20:44:50] <Morrog> from what i read online, it needs something else. but it can't do it automatically.
[20:44:51] <Kjeldmis> thats for ubuntu.
[20:45:09] <Morrog> when i sudo update-grub from within manjaro, it doesn't change anything
[20:45:36] <Kjeldmis> Morrog: I thought you were unable to boot Manjaro/
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[20:45:38] <Kjeldmis> ?
[20:45:40] <mtn> other distros grub won't boot manjaro for me, either
[20:46:03] <Morrog> yes, but i found something to edit the grub line and then i can temporarily boot into it
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[20:46:18] <Morrog> i'd like a permanent solution, obviously
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[20:46:36] <Morrog> internet tells me to have manjaro control the grub, but i can't figure out how :)
[20:46:42] <Kjeldmis> create a custom boot entry, verify that root has been assigned correctly, run update-grub, profit.
[20:47:01] <Kjeldmis> its as easy as that.
[20:47:03] <mtn> Morrog: you can chroot into manjaro and then run grub-install from there
[20:47:03] <Morrog> i'll look into that
[20:47:29] <manjy_manjaro> hello, how can I remove all unnecassary packages from Manjaro KDE installation??
[20:47:30] <Morrog> sad that the manjaro line doesn't get picked up by other distro's grub
[20:47:47] <Kjeldmis> Morrog: you dont need manjaro to control grub, you can simply create a custom entry for it.
[20:47:50] <mtn> Morrog: manjaro is the only distro I have ever used with this problem
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[20:48:00] <Morrog> thanks Kjeldmis, i'll look it up :)
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[20:48:18] <Kjeldmis> np, ask if you need help with specifics.
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[20:48:38] <mtn> manjy_manjaro: define "unnecessary"
[20:48:44] <Kjeldmis> manjy_manjaro: define unneccessary.
[20:48:50] <Kjeldmis> lol mtn xD
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[20:48:55] <mtn> :)
[20:49:14] <manjy_manjaro> anything I can remove without messing up KDE from booting up or running?
[20:49:31] <manjy_manjaro> shut down services
[20:49:32] <Morrog> the backgrounds? ^^
[20:49:32] <mtn> manjy_manjaro: sure, any apps you don't want to use
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[20:50:14] <Kjeldmis> manjy_manjaro: how about starting the other way around. Install the base version of manjaro and only add the plasma shell to it.
[20:50:39] <Kjeldmis> Way easier than going through that tedious process.
[20:50:41] <manjy_manjaro> hmm...that would be ideal but I don't have good experience with CLI
[20:51:07] <Kjeldmis> well, then there is an opportunity to learn :)
[20:51:20] <mtn> manjy_manjaro: better yet, give manjaro more hard drive space. then it won't matter ;)
[20:52:36] <manjy_manjaro> great!!
[20:53:03] <manjy_manjaro> anyone know why desktop freezes from time to time?? maybe flash?
[20:53:29] <mtn> manjy_manjaro: or video drivers
[20:54:15] <Kjeldmis> manjy_manjaro: or a number of other things. It wouldnt make sense to say what was at fault without more information.
[20:54:48] <Kjeldmis> like systemlogs from journalctl, dmesg and Xorg.
[20:55:18] <manjy_manjaro> auto install proprietary driver button is grayed out and open source intell driver is installed
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[20:55:51] <Kjeldmis> there doesnt exist a proprietary version of the intel drivers.
[20:55:59] <manjy_manjaro> hmmm
[20:56:13] <Kjeldmis> which is a good thing.
[20:56:16] <manjy_manjaro> maybe its just the laptop overheating...lol
[20:56:44] <Kjeldmis> manjy_manjaro: and that would be reported in the dmesg log I mentioned earlier.
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[20:57:18] <Kjeldmis> if it overheats, the system would notice and take countermeasures, which would could be seen in the logs.
[20:58:34] <manjy_manjaro> "[    2.671951] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver"
[20:59:15] <Kjeldmis> thats power management. Makes no sense without knowing the lines before it.
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[21:00:34] <manjy_manjaro> i have no idea how to read it
[21:01:00] <Kjeldmis> put the logs on a pastebin service and Ill take a quick look.
[21:01:59] <Kjeldmis> its probably somethin occuring in userspace, so the xorg logs would be nifty aswell.
[21:02:14] <Fayn> speaking of ACPI these popup on every boot https://dpaste.de/L7R0/raw
[21:02:15] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/DMi4Es] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
[21:02:29] <Fayn> nothing serious?
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[21:03:26] <manjy_manjaro> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23564680/
[21:03:27] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/bcivnx] Ubuntu Pastebin
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[21:05:21] <tomamon-> if i want to save my xfce panel configuration, would backing up ~/.config/xfce/panel do the trick? or do i need to backup some other folder aswell?
[21:05:47] <Kjeldmis> manjy_manjaro: I cant read that paste. Please use another service.
[21:06:39] <Kjeldmis> tomamon-: It should be adequate. For safetys sake I would just backup ~/.config/xfce
[21:06:53] <tomamon-> got it, thanks
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[21:08:07] <Kjeldmis> Fayn: no, those messages should be considered harmless.
[21:08:31] <Fayn> Kjeldmis: got it
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[21:11:39] <manjy_manjaro> laptop froze had to restart
[21:11:45] <manjy_manjaro> ok so the fan speeds up really fast
[21:11:52] <manjy_manjaro> prolly temprature increase?
[21:12:25] <Kjeldmis> manjy_manjaro: OK. Maybe, I couldnt read the pastebin you sent earlier. Please use another service.
[21:14:05] <manjy_manjaro> https://paste.ee/p/bgiIM
[21:14:07] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/INO1Zr] Paste.ee - View paste bgiIM
[21:15:47] <Kjeldmis> https://paste.gnome.org/pqrbxlpkz
[21:15:50] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/l5yHCl] GNOME Pastebin
[21:16:19] <Kjeldmis> manjy_manjaro: https://paste.gnome.org/pqrbxlpkz those messages indicates a temperature issue
[21:16:19] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/l5yHCl] GNOME Pastebin
[21:16:37] <manjy_manjaro> hmm...thought so
[21:16:40] <manjy_manjaro> I have installed TLP
[21:17:31] <Kjeldmis> You might get some success by cleaning the fan. Installing lm_sensors and using fan control to keep the system cool.
[21:17:59] <Kjeldmis> not all systems are supported tho. What computer is this/
[21:18:01] <Kjeldmis> ?
[21:18:06] <Kjeldmis> make / model.
[21:18:56] <Kjeldmis> its underclocking the CPU to prevent overheating which could make it very slow, or even freeze.
[21:20:29] <manjy_manjaro> Its an old Macbook Air
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[21:21:56] <manjy_manjaro> KInfoCenter is showing components not make/model
[21:22:00] <Kjeldmis> that error following the CPU heating is concerning...
[21:22:55] <Kjeldmis> It suggests hardware failure within the CPU, probably due to overheating.
[21:23:54] <manjy_manjaro> ohh...thats bad
[21:24:00] <Kjeldmis> run sudo pacman -S mcelog and run it from the terminal, by issuing mcelog
[21:24:11] <Kjeldmis> then copy the results to a pastebin
[21:25:03] <Kjeldmis> well it could be bad, lets see what the error log from the CPU says.
[21:26:22] <Kjeldmis> run sudo mcelog when you have installed it
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[21:29:57] <manjy_manjaro> Kjeldmis> https://paste.ee/p/9FnwS
[21:29:58] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/F28xrc] Paste.ee - View paste 9FnwS
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[21:32:10] <Kjeldmis> nothing too alarming, it just reports the action taken to underclock the CPU in order to prevent it from overheating.
[21:32:34] <Kjeldmis> I would clean that CPU fan.
[21:32:37] <manjy_manjaro> hmmm
[21:32:53] <manjy_manjaro> cool..thanks Kjeldmiss :D
[21:32:54] <Kjeldmis> It explains the freezes you experience.
[21:32:59] <Kjeldmis> np mate.
[21:33:24] <manjy_manjaro> still runs better than OSX which is getting bloated with every release
[21:33:55] <Kjeldmis> It does, doesnt it? I run AntergOS on my Macbook.
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[21:56:45] <Fayn> i found out why vpn was failing when used from nm-applet but it's bit bizarre
[21:57:06] <Kjeldmis> Fayn: do tell
[21:57:33] <Fayn> I had libreadline.so.7 and downgrading the package so it has libreadline.so.6 fixed it
[21:57:41] <Fayn> but other packages are up to date in my system
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[21:58:09] <Fayn> it came up in nm-applet logs at startup
[21:58:21] <Fayn> but didn't cause problems until trying to connect to vpn
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[21:59:23] <Fayn> need to try whether it works after reboot to be 100% sure though ->
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[21:59:37] <Kjeldmis> thats weird
[21:59:53] <Kjeldmis> well, thanks for sharing ur solution
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[22:03:06] <TheGillies> i keep trying to use pacman on OSX heh
[22:03:09] <TheGillies> muscle memory
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[22:21:51] <Grahf> hi
[22:22:58] <Grahf> just installed manjaro lxqt alongside windows10 on a laptop . Installation went fine but I can't boot to Manjaro
[22:24:39] <Grahf> guess I need refind?
[22:25:05] <Kjeldmis> hi Grahf. Did you install and mount /boot/efi correctly?
[22:25:49] <Kjeldmis> no, you just need to install grub in uefi mode and point /boot/uefi to the existing fat32 boot volume
[22:26:05] <Kjeldmis> sorry, /boot/efi
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[22:28:56] <Grahf> I have UEFI enabled if that's what he was asking....but he left
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[22:30:44] <Grahf> Kjeldmis: I had uefi enabled in bios if thats what you were asking.... im not sure
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[22:31:12] <Kjeldmis> I thought it was a Macbook since you mentioned refind.
[22:32:05] <Kjeldmis> Well, Grahf its more than likely that grub wasnt installed and mounted to the existing /boot/efi fat32 volume that Windows uses for UEFI booting.
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[22:33:11] <Grahf> During install when Im selecting the partition to install on can I somehow point it to the existing /boot/efu fat32 volume?
[22:34:20] <Kjeldmis> yes. it will ask to verify the automatic changes and there you can fix any inconsistencies. Or do the partition creation manually.
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[22:34:56] <Kjeldmis> it would be the first fat32 volume on the disk.
[22:35:20] <Kjeldmis> size would be somewhere between 350 and 700 MB
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[22:40:30] <Grahf> i see the list of partitions and the one fat32 partition
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[22:42:47] <Grahf> Im just not sure how to point it to the fat32 boot volune
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[23:14:06] <uberbunny> let me call MicroCenter and check if they have the card in stock in the store
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[23:25:10] <TheGillies> how can you have uefi enabled in bios? I was under the impression uefi was a bios replacement
[23:26:53] <uberbunny> TheGillies, It's not
[23:27:13] <uberbunny> TheGillies, UEFI is a different firmware along side a regular BIOS
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[23:36:52] <mike-zal2> I heard it explained in anther way. there is UEFI that looks like BIOS and can have certain BIOS like features (legacy mode).
[23:37:08] <mike-zal2> some UEFI may have GUI
[23:37:42] <mike-zal2> but most people name it BIOS anyway for simplification
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[23:39:43] <uberbunny> No, (U)EFI is designed to boot the system, it does NOT replace the functionalities of a BIOS
[23:39:50] <mike-zal2> TheGillies: anyway if you want UEFI install, just set it to UEFI only in boot settings
[23:41:01] <mike-zal2> uberbunny: I saw so many articles saying it differently that I am not sure what to believe. everyone is talking from point of authority (this is how it is, period) but they often contradict each other
[23:42:18] <mike-zal2> anyway, for practice, you either use UEFI boot or legacy boot and that's it
[23:42:30] <mike-zal2> not sure about mixed mode thou
[23:42:47] <mike-zal2> probably it just looks for both: legacy and uefi
[23:43:13] <uberbunny> mike-zal2, That information is based on specification http://uefi.org/
[23:43:16] <Botergos> [https://is.gd/RAD6AA] Welcome to Unified Extensible Firmware Interface Forum | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface Forum
[23:43:25] <uberbunny> You can read and learn from that site
[23:44:33] <uberbunny> mike-zal2, If your BIOS supports it, some restrict it, disable UEFI entirely
[23:44:59] <uberbunny> Which basically leaves it up to the BIOS to boot your system
[23:45:16] <uberbunny> So called 'Legacy mode'
[23:46:20] <mike-zal2> from I read, it's other way around, meaning on newer computers you have UEFI with implemented BIOS for legacy.
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[23:47:38] <uberbunny> mike-zal2, Again, look at the specification, regardless whatever other site says
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[23:47:50] <mike-zal2> but it's all fishy... in most explanations they focus on the work, not on interface, which is confusing, because you see it like BIOS so you ask yourself, is it BIOS or UEFI looking like BIOS?
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[23:48:12] <uberbunny> Every hardware manfactures abide by the specification
[23:48:13] <sponge> Hello
[23:48:23] <mike-zal2> uberbunny: I am reading it and as I said, they just fail to explain it in a simple matter, comprhensible to noobs
[23:49:03] <uberbunny> mike-zal2, I understand, just so you know, I understand it, UEFI is not BIOS, UEFI does not replace BIOS
[23:49:33] <uberbunny> UEFI is a separate different system
[23:49:51] <mike-zal2> I know, but I am talking about interface. this is the most confusing part for most
[23:50:03] <mike-zal2> if you see bios alike menu, is it bios or uefi?
[23:50:18] <uberbunny> The interface, you can get into multiple ways, some drop you to shell
[23:50:21] <mike-zal2> if you see gui with mouse, this is advanced uefi menu?
[23:50:24] <uberbunny> Others give you a gui
[23:50:49] <uberbunny> or you can download an app onto windows and modify UEFI
[23:50:50] <mike-zal2> I saw gui only on videos. in practice I deal only with BIOS alike interface
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[23:51:32] <uberbunny> In my system, the GUI doesn't allow me to do nifty things, but I can enter UEFI by pressing F12
[23:51:46] <uberbunny> DEL to enter BIOS
[23:52:18] <uberbunny> In BIOS, you can still modify UEFI, that all depends on the BIOS
[23:52:59] <uberbunny> You can modify UEFI within LInux but I never got that to work
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[23:56:31] <sponge> anyone here uses kde?
[23:57:20] <uberbunny> I do albiet on openSUSE
[23:57:29] <uberbunny> What do you need help with?
[23:59:13] <mike-zal2> sponge: I use kde on manjaro
[23:59:14] <sponge> I want to know if there's a way to prevent the windowed task manager from turning into icons when more 7 windows are running?
[23:59:47] <uberbunny> OO, isn't that in TaskManager settings, stop grouping
[23:59:52] <uberbunny> Somewhere in there

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