March 13, 2018 
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March 13, 2018 [00:00:34] <royal_screwup21> say I want to add a dependency for a desktop app I'm writing. Do I put it inside project(":core") or project(":desktop) (or both)?[00:01:51] <royal_screwup21> ah it's the latter[00:29:16] <TEttinger> normally core[00:29:27] <TEttinger> since usually only a tiny amount of code is in desktop[00:37:39] *** LiquidNitrogen <LiquidNitrogen!~quassel@115-189-89-212.mobile.spark.co.nz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:42:10] *** mujjingun <mujjingun!uid228218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcootrrolruxvufs> has joined #libgdx[00:48:01] <SuckyNoob> anyone here used Spine2D and did equipment/weapon equipping type code with it?[00:51:20] *** zephyz_ <zephyz_!~zephyz@bbcs-103-168.pub.wingo.ch> has joined #libgdx[01:43:40] *** DB219 <DB219!415efe37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.254.55> has joined #libgdx[02:03:42] *** SuckyNoob <SuckyNoob!~SuckyNoob@2607:fea8:7d20:5a9:9051:f79:58b0:4faf> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:22:38] <royal_screwup21> TEttinger: ah okay, just read in the docs that it's usually done inside either android/desktop (not core), but seeing as they compile core anyway, I guess it doesn't make any difference[02:28:21] <TEttinger> but what do you mean though?[02:28:40] <TEttinger> very very little of your code should be in the desktop or android modules[02:29:20] <TEttinger> most of the application should be in core, and if you have a dependency that needs to be used in core the dependency goes in core[02:29:42] <TEttinger> if the dep is android or desktop-specific, it needs to be in that module, but can only be used there[02:43:07] *** LiquidNitrogen <LiquidNitrogen!~quassel@115-189-89-114.mobile.spark.co.nz> has joined #libgdx[02:45:47] *** jwinterm <jwinterm!~quassel@172-124-234-139.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #libgdx[02:45:47] *** jwinterm <jwinterm!~quassel@172-124-234-139.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[02:45:47] *** jwinterm <jwinterm!~quassel@unaffiliated/jwinterm> has joined #libgdx[02:54:26] *** isdera <isdera!~isdera@cpe-74-78-187-102.maine.res.rr.com> has joined #libgdx[03:09:00] *** X-Ray-Jin <X-Ray-Jin!~X-Ray-Jin@dslb-188-108-164-117.188.108.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:14:54] *** bomb <bomb!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has quit IRC (Quit: ...)[03:14:57] *** isdera <isdera!~isdera@cpe-74-78-187-102.maine.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:20:49] *** SuckyNoob <SuckyNoob!~SuckyNoob@2607:fea8:7d20:5a9:9051:f79:58b0:4faf> has joined #libgdx[03:21:27] <SuckyNoob> dusted off Ocarina of time see if I can get any ideas :p[03:21:47] <SuckyNoob> anyone here played the new Zelda?[03:33:18] <DB219> HEY! LISTEN![03:44:59] <SuckyNoob> lol[03:45:39] <SuckyNoob> just started a new one I dont remember everything which is good[03:46:00] <DB219> I don't think I'll ever forget that nagging fairy :)[03:46:10] <SuckyNoob> mybe I should put one in mine[03:46:26] <SuckyNoob> and she bitchslaps you if you ignore her :o[03:46:42] <SuckyNoob> "I SAID LISTEN!"[03:46:45] <SuckyNoob> *SMACK*[03:47:47] <SuckyNoob> ah that just made me thinkg you know what would be awesome, a Monty Python Quest for the Holy Grail game[03:48:40] <SuckyNoob> or something along those lines, maybe not actually based on the movie[03:49:30] <SuckyNoob> in order to increase your speed[03:50:04] <SuckyNoob> you must find a Swallow carrying a cocanut husk and shoot it from the sky[03:50:10] *** oseph <oseph!~textual@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has joined #libgdx[03:54:21] <SuckyNoob> at least i remember how to get into the castle. I remember that taking forever to figure out[03:54:59] <DB219> don't remember that part[03:55:19] <SuckyNoob> near the beginning you gotta sneak past the gate and guards[03:55:26] <DB219> I remember struggling in that maze in the village[03:55:50] <jayhost> Yeah I've played Breath of the Wild[03:56:11] <SuckyNoob> is it worth getting the new Nintendo lol?[03:56:31] <DB219> I don't wanna pay $500 to play one game... :S[03:56:45] <SuckyNoob> ya im the same way[03:56:51] <SuckyNoob> im waiting to see what else comes out for it[03:56:56] <SuckyNoob> and if itll go down in price[03:57:27] <SuckyNoob> even if I had wanted one when it came out nintendo screwed up bad with supply vs demand imo[04:18:02] <oseph> i've been exploring using kotlin + libgdx, and my initial test app runs, but I get these gradle warnings about illegal reflective acces (https://pastebin.com/UBC346XG) Is this normal?[04:18:08] *** ficolas <ficolas!5d729545@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.114.149.69> has joined #libgdx[04:18:16] <TEttinger> yes[04:18:22] <oseph> okie dokie![04:18:27] <TEttinger> that's an annoying trait of Java 9, and affects most apps[04:18:45] <TEttinger> I think it affects gradle, even[04:19:32] <oseph> there's been a lot of googling ever since I moved to java9 to investigate these warnings. think i might revert to java8 to ease that OCD portion of my mind[04:20:06] <TEttinger> I have only encountered problems from java 9, I use java 8 for everyday use[04:20:23] <oseph> same here. java8 it is[04:20:38] <oseph> side note: kotlin is fun! just starting poking around with it this past week[04:20:40] <TEttinger> specifically, the Zulu builds in my case, since they don't have the ask toolbar nag screen that Oracle JREs have[04:21:06] <TEttinger> yeah, kotlin's been surprisingly smooth for me to try out when I've used i[04:21:19] <oseph> ooo haven't heard of this zulu[04:21:33] <TEttinger> it's just one build of OpenJDK[04:21:48] *** jab <jab!~jab@zork.xen.prgmr.com> has joined #libgdx[04:21:52] <TEttinger> but OpenJDK (normally packaged for linux only) sometimes is a little slow to patch[04:22:02] <TEttinger> hey it's grue![04:22:04] <TEttinger> I mean jab[04:23:02] <jab> TEttinger: yo[04:24:40] <TEttinger> oseph: zulu provides 64-bit builds for mac os x/MacOS (various OS versions), windows (7 and up), and linux, plus 32-bit builds for linux and sometimes windows[04:25:41] <TEttinger> I am not aware of a performance difference between Zulu and Oracle JDKs except maybe in crypto stuff, where Zulu maaaaay be faster if it allows unlimited cryptography (a compile flag)[04:25:51] <oseph> what's the diff between just installing the JDK from openJDK?[04:26:00] <TEttinger> openjdk is fine if you're on linux[04:26:03] <oseph> I think I have the Oracle™ flavour at the moment[04:26:33] <oseph> but in the spirit of love and open source, I might get this Zulu thang[04:26:40] <TEttinger> I'm on windows, so it's either an installer that regularly wants to reboot my computer and install ask toolbar, or Zulu[04:26:48] <TEttinger> there's also OpenJ9[04:27:14] <TEttinger> which is IBM's recently open sourced JVM, part of eclipse now[04:27:48] <oseph> how popular is Zulu? is it one of the more popular builds of OpenJDK?[04:28:20] *** zortness <zortness!~zortness@cpe-23-241-196-37.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[04:28:21] <jayhost> oh hey tet, missed your RNG triumphs. Good good going as planned[04:28:30] <TEttinger> the most popular builds of openjdk are done per distro for linux. there are almost no builds of openjdk for windows[04:29:06] <TEttinger> there's a need because oracle's legal agreement prevents redistributing any modified oracle JDKs or JREs[04:29:15] <TEttinger> but can't affect OpenJDK[04:30:14] <TEttinger> so if you want to minify a release build that bundles Java (and bundling is needed to distribute Mac App Store apps, if you do that), you can only do it with OpenJDK or OpenJ9[04:30:27] <oseph> ahhh[04:30:33] <oseph> thanks for explaining that[04:30:39] <TEttinger> it also can shrink download size a LOT[04:31:11] <TEttinger> OpenJDK usually doesn't include JavaFX, which makes it smaller[04:31:19] <TEttinger> if you use libgdx you probably won't even notice[04:31:31] <oseph> I have one app on the Apple app store, i was using Oracle JDK at the time[04:32:01] <oseph> but roboVM converted into a non-java application though, right?[04:32:21] <TEttinger> oh, iOS app store uses RoboVM yeah[04:32:31] <oseph> not that I minified any build[04:32:47] <TEttinger> Mac App Store for macbooks and such I don't think uses robovm[04:32:53] <TEttinger> in theory it could[04:33:14] <oseph> but that is good to know! because I wouldn't mind figuring out how to bundle libgdx with a minified jdk in the future[04:33:42] <oseph> (yeah, my app is mobile only)[04:34:41] <TEttinger> totally, packr can do some minification with Java 8 JDK zip files from Zulu but nothing really minifies Java 9 JDKs to my knowledge. there's jlink and that whole can of worms in java 9[04:35:02] <TEttinger> jlink seems to need the whole app to be using modules and be java 9 only[04:35:24] <oseph> duly noted. i'll stick with java8[04:35:45] <oseph> i wonder if java10 or 11 will fix any of this shizz[04:36:26] *** zortness <zortness!~zortness@cpe-23-241-196-37.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #libgdx[04:36:50] <TEttinger> java10 may have project valhalla in it[04:36:52] <TEttinger> which is big[04:37:04] <TEttinger> but java 10 also will be desktop only for some time[04:38:09] <oseph> going back to my java9 gradle warnings ... would zulu fix that or is that just the nature of java9 at the moment?[04:38:32] <TEttinger> as far as I can tell it's just java 9. zulu provides java 8 builds :D[04:38:45] <TEttinger> down to java 6 I think[04:39:08] <TEttinger> I'm hoping OpenJ9 gets some windows builds soon for other platforms[04:39:22] <TEttinger> err, for java 9 I think it has 8[04:39:43] <oseph> great![04:40:26] <TEttinger> also, bundling java 7 is a lot smaller than 8, if you don't use java 8 features[04:40:49] <TEttinger> there are sometimes security issues with java 7 if you actually install it, but bundling is less of a concern IMO[05:02:25] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcjeucayzexceius> has joined #libgdx[05:03:27] <oseph> wonderful. zulu installed. bye oracle[05:10:09] *** DB219 <DB219!415efe37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.94.254.55> has quit IRC ()[05:21:28] *** oseph <oseph!~textual@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Quit: bye.)[05:38:17] <jayhost> Bye oseph[06:07:29] *** ficolas <ficolas!5d729545@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.114.149.69> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[06:26:53] *** Raziel <Raziel!~Raziel@unaffiliated/raziel> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[06:36:14] <SuckyNoob> alright thats enough zelda for now[07:05:23] <TEttinger> jayhost: the RNG wins keep stacking up. I am benchmarking on GWT[07:05:57] <TEttinger> the latest one is between 40x and 50x faster than RandomXS128, if I'm reading this right[07:06:04] <TEttinger> (on GWT)[07:08:31] <TEttinger> to generate 10,000 ints on GWT, RandomXS128 takes 1.372764786795048 ms, which seems pretty good, but the latest RNG I put together takes 0.04702483839651457 ms[07:09:08] <TEttinger> closer to 25x here I think? different in superdev[07:18:44] *** TEttinger <TEttinger!~notostrac@76-217-24-171.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[07:19:55] *** TEttinger <TEttinger!~notostrac@76-217-24-171.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #libgdx[07:22:11] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@xdsl-89-0-96-54.netcologne.de> has joined #libgdx[07:23:08] <TEttinger> you can test for yourselves here, the XS one is in libgdx, the Zig one is newest and isn't in anything other than my RNG lib currently https://tommyettinger.github.io/SquidLib-Demos/bench/rng/[07:24:09] <TEttinger> if you click a button it will calculat about 2 seconds of generating numbers and show how many runs it made, how long each run of 10K numbers took, etc.[07:27:04] <TEttinger> interesting, difference isn't as severe in firefox. about 15x difference[07:38:44] *** smelc <smelc!~churlin@109.190.253.15> has joined #libgdx[08:24:35] *** bomb <bomb!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has joined #libgdx[08:41:07] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@xdsl-89-0-96-54.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: hextileX)[08:46:01] *** smelc <smelc!~churlin@109.190.253.15> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[08:53:35] *** Sadale <Sadale!~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:07:35] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has joined #libgdx[09:33:16] *** smelc <smelc!~churlin@92.154.69.235> has joined #libgdx[09:35:55] *** Zta77 <Zta77!~she@62.199.209.6> has joined #libgdx[09:42:58] *** [AD]Turbo <[AD]Turbo!~ADTurbo@93-40-211-54.ip40.fastwebnet.it> has joined #libgdx[09:43:43] <[AD]Turbo> yo all[09:43:47] <SuckyNoob> yo[09:45:25] <Ashiren> is it 32 bits?[09:59:09] *** smelc <smelc!~churlin@92.154.69.235> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[10:02:36] *** Sadale <Sadale!~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale> has joined #libgdx[10:11:46] *** smelc <smelc!~churlin@92.154.69.235> has joined #libgdx[10:36:34] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:52:37] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has joined #libgdx[11:47:06] *** royal_screwup21 <royal_screwup21!89de72f3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.137.222.114.243> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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Is there a way to directly adress it?[16:30:43] <oseph> hm, might be because i used a non-offical libgdx-setup.jar. let me investigate here[16:30:56] <Tomski> oseph: check your dependencies in your build scripts[16:31:52] <Tomski> https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/wiki/Dependency-management-with-Gradle#controllers-gradle[16:31:55] <Tomski> Should match with that[16:32:05] <Tomski> Kruppi: print in what way?[16:32:27] <Kruppi> On a label[16:32:28] <Kruppi> :D[16:32:54] <Kruppi> It's the » character I'm talking about[16:33:05] <Kruppi> It's obviously not that one[16:33:06] <Tomski> You use that as part of the string[16:33:15] <Tomski> If its in your font, you'll get it displayed[16:33:24] <oseph> oh wait - maybe I was alreaady using correctly in the first place. near the bottom of the wiki page it mentions replacing the dependency for lwjgl3 ... do I need to do that?[16:33:33] <Kruppi> I think it's "some other character/mapped wrong"[16:34:19] <Tomski> oseph: you arent using lwjgl3[16:34:32] <oseph> yeah, just figured that out, haha[16:34:41] * oseph slaps own face[16:35:07] * Kruppi slaps own face as well[16:35:15] <oseph> everyday is a new stupid lesson learned[16:35:17] <oseph> for me[16:35:19] <oseph> hah[16:35:35] <Kruppi> I just found out I exported my bitmap font into the wrong directory, thus not overwriting what is being used in the built application[16:43:41] *** [AD]Turbo <[AD]Turbo!~ADTurbo@93-40-211-54.ip40.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC ()[16:54:45] *** taharqa <taharqa!~taharqa@51.15.168.137> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:02:22] *** taharqa <taharqa!~taharqa@51.15.168.137> has joined #libgdx[17:27:36] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eaxdhswsckwylvdx> has joined #libgdx[17:27:42] *** loosik_ <loosik_!~loosik@89-79-102-72.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:36:08] *** badgerman___ <badgerman___!uid64722@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jfbjofnskqogfyrw> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[17:42:27] *** Rush3rx <Rush3rx!~Rush3rx@78-72-160-172-no53.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #libgdx[17:43:41] *** Rush3rx <Rush3rx!~Rush3rx@78-72-160-172-no53.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:05:33] <Kruppi> Anyone got an idea why "Gdx.files.internal("/").list()" on Android gives me the root directory as expected with folder "/assets" but "Gdx.files.internal("/assets").exists()" results in false?[18:06:14] <jo_> Kruppi: That would be lookign for /assets/assets.[18:06:33] <jo_> Oh.[18:06:35] <jo_> Oh wait.[18:06:40] <jo_> wat[18:06:45] <Kruppi> exactly[18:10:19] <Tomski> list is not something to rely on for internal file handle types[18:10:25] <Tomski> as you can read in the docs of the method[18:10:50] <Kruppi> I'm just trying to figure out how to access the file right now. troubleshooting, some call it[18:11:49] <Tomski> What file?[18:13:04] *** Oebele <Oebele!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has joined #libgdx[18:15:24] <Kruppi> it's a .fnt file[18:15:39] <Kruppi> BitmapFont(Gdx.files.internal("./fonts/press_start_16.fnt"), false)[18:15:41] <Kruppi> is my call[18:16:05] <Kruppi> mind that's the call that is working for the desktop (remove the . for the call I have to use with android)[18:18:13] <Tomski> If its in assets/fonts[18:18:24] <Tomski> Ggdx.files.internal("fonts/press_start_16.fnt");[18:23:10] <jo_> Side question: how is the assets path packed? I don't see it defined in the build.gradle folder.[18:25:44] <Tomski> They are handled for ecah project[18:25:55] <Tomski> Check platform specific build.gradle[18:26:09] <jo_> Aha![18:26:11] <jo_> Thanks.[18:26:18] <Kruppi> Wow, thank Tomski. I thought I already tried every combination with an additional / and even \\ but simply omitting it didn't cross my mind.[18:28:03] *** oseph <oseph!~textual@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[19:03:58] *** oseph <oseph!~textual@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has joined #libgdx[19:06:14] <oseph> how small can packr get with minimization? say I have a java program that only uses AsciiPanel (a small, Swing based lib...)[19:08:04] <oseph> or - any tips on paths/files to remove from jre?[19:12:31] *** smelc <smelc!~churlin@92.154.69.235> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[19:18:32] *** gogogo <gogogo!uid213343@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yumjlbvhxljsabwh> has joined #libgdx[19:18:34] <Tomski> It depends on what you are using oseph[19:19:00] <Tomski> swing is probably quite a bit you cant remove[19:19:06] <Tomski> see the built in configs https://github.com/libgdx/packr/tree/master/src/main/resources/minimize[19:19:53] *** jtroseme <jtroseme!jtroseme@nat/intel/x-lfqtodwmievfnnva> has joined #libgdx[19:25:41] *** loosik <loosik!~loosik@89-79-102-72.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #libgdx[19:31:26] <jab> Are there any tools provided by libgdx to assist in tiling and tile based movement?[19:38:21] <Tomski> libgdx supports Tiled editor[19:38:38] <Tomski> Otherwise, perhaps be more specific?[19:38:48] <jab> I'm just looking for grid movement. My rendering requirements are unorthodox[19:44:03] *** Xoppa <Xoppa!~Xoppa@54689FCD.cm-12-1c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #libgdx[19:44:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Xoppa[19:50:52] *** Oebele_ <Oebele_!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has joined #libgdx[19:57:12] *** mxttie <mxttie!~mattie@94-224-64-59.access.telenet.be> has joined #libgdx[20:19:19] *** oseph <oseph!~textual@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:27:42] <jo_> jab: I've never had issues implementing grid movement.[20:29:02] <jo_> I don't know what one would do as far as "providing tools to assist in tile-based movement". I imagine any sort of general framework on that front would involve significantly more code configuring it than it would to just implement it outright.[20:30:22] *** ChaseWaylon <ChaseWaylon!4e3dc5ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.61.197.238> has joined #libgdx[20:32:24] <Kruppi> j[20:32:32] <Kruppi> sorry, that wasn't meant to be sent[20:33:45] <ChaseWaylon> if I have 75px width button in 720 width resolution. in 1080 it becomes 112.5px. will it be blurry?[20:40:51] *** mxttie <mxttie!~mattie@94-224-64-59.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Doodiedoodiedoodiedoooo)[20:43:18] <jo_> Depends on your upscaling, I think. I forget what the default is.[20:45:15] *** jtroseme <jtroseme!jtroseme@nat/intel/x-lfqtodwmievfnnva> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:45:15] <jo_> Also, what's everyone's favorite way to run an async task and join it with the main thread at the right time?[20:45:24] <jo_> I've got an AI routine that takes a long-ish time (1-2 sec).[20:45:37] <jo_> Don't want to run that on the main game thread.[20:46:02] <jo_> oshi-- brb[20:56:37] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has joined #libgdx[21:09:22] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@xdsl-89-0-96-54.netcologne.de> has joined #libgdx[21:27:37] <jab> jo_: right now i've just been doing multiples of some constant (tile size)[21:28:07] <jab> so my game world is like, 0,1 or 0,2 which would translate to 0,16 and 0,32[21:28:17] <jab> 16x16 tiles[21:31:55] *** Kruppi <Kruppi!~foo@p579147B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC ()[21:36:16] <jo_> jab: And what are you hoping to have libGDX do?[21:36:37] <jab> Everything :P[21:36:53] <jo_> Well... I mean, I'd do exactly what you're doing.[21:37:13] <jo_> In my draw call (on the tile object) I'd just multiply the object's location by the tile size.[21:37:41] <jo_> When calling the batch draw method.[21:58:13] <jab> fair enough haha[22:10:15] *** oseph <oseph!~textual@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has joined #libgdx[22:22:41] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[22:23:07] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has joined #libgdx[22:25:53] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@xdsl-89-0-96-54.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:26:25] *** Oebele_ <Oebele_!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:40:43] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@xdsl-87-79-184-123.netcologne.de> has joined #libgdx[22:44:05] <Tomski> jab: use a camera correctly, there should be no translating to pixel size tiles[22:44:39] *** marc__ <marc__!53378418@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.55.132.24> has joined #libgdx[22:45:50] <marc__> hello guys! i have always loved tycoon types of games (simcity, rollercoaster tycoon, etc) and I'd like to build one. i know its huge but i'd like to know what java / libgdx libraries should i be looking at to start with the core logic[22:49:56] <ChaseWaylon> hi Tomski, have you had a chance to look at the kerning issue? :)[22:51:24] <Tomski> nop[22:53:18] <ChaseWaylon> got it[22:54:01] *** Oebele_ <Oebele_!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has joined #libgdx[22:55:44] *** ChaseWaylon <ChaseWaylon!4e3dc5ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.61.197.238> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:56:00] *** Oebele_ <Oebele_!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:56:32] *** LiquidNitrogen <LiquidNitrogen!~quassel@122-56-199-199.mobile.spark.co.nz> has joined #libgdx[22:56:47] <TEttinger> marc__: not sure what you'd need for that. gdx-ai has some useful things[22:57:17] *** gogogo <gogogo!uid213343@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yumjlbvhxljsabwh> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[22:57:21] <TEttinger> like for handling the simple but frequently run pathing of park guests in rollercoaster tycoon toward rides they like[22:57:52] <TEttinger> park guests could random0-walk or drunkard's walk though[22:58:06] <TEttinger> err, random walk[23:01:52] <marc__> TEttinger thanks[23:02:36] <marc__> ill take a closer look at gdx-ai[23:05:13] <TEttinger> behavior trees also make sense for it[23:05:30] <TEttinger> also part of gdx-ai[23:10:54] *** Mithrin223 <Mithrin223!~abc@S010664777daff643.ok.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:11:15] *** Mithrin223 <Mithrin223!~abc@S010664777daff643.ok.shawcable.net> has joined #libgdx[23:11:17] *** Oebele_ <Oebele_!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has joined #libgdx[23:17:49] *** Oebele_ <Oebele_!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:18:04] *** Oebele <Oebele!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:19:50] <marc__> thanks that's what i figured... i've never used those so i'll have to do some deep reading :)[23:23:16] <LiquidNitrogen> anyone know of any old 2d puzzle-ish games where you have to rescue people?[23:23:36] <jab> Tomski: i'm not translating sizes, but translating positions.[23:25:08] <Tomski> What for jab?[23:25:58] <jab> rendering tiles[23:26:11] <Tomski> yeah, you dont need to do that if you are using a camera correctly[23:27:18] <jab> a camera can change the size of an image to be something else? i've used the zoom/sizes and still have to translate every 16 units for the next tile over[23:28:00] <Tomski> your camera should be in world units, and you send camera projection to your batch so it draws in world units too[23:28:27] <jab> i'll play with it[23:38:15] <marc__> do we know what to expect in libGDX 2?[23:39:29] *** oseph <oseph!~textual@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:55:31] *** loosik <loosik!~loosik@89-79-102-72.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)