October 5, 2016 
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October 5, 2016 [00:00:34] <wulax> the shadows on the ground adds much depth to the image[00:00:56] <dnyy> i never really show what i'm workin on so aye might as well. makin' lil ascii roguelike, just added rain https://imgur.com/a/UG5af[00:01:03] <Scellow> thanks guys, i'll continue to experiment[00:01:32] <wulax> very nice dnyy![00:02:21] <Scellow> dnyy: damn, this is looking really good, never seen animated ascii art like that[00:03:08] <dnyy> tyty tryna make the most polished/snazzy ascii game I can lol[00:03:14] <wulax> reminds me of "caves of qud"[00:03:53] <TEttinger> dnyy: have you seen squidlib :)[00:03:59] <dnyy> rain was inspired by this http://55.media.tumblr.com/089007316eedcaa435c2898c851533ee/tumblr_inline_nooj8afwkg1tum125_500.gif[00:04:10] <dnyy> don't think that game ever got finished tho but was pretty looking[00:04:12] <TEttinger> looks relaly nice[00:04:31] <dnyy> @TEttinger: yea but had already gotten far w/o it so haven't looked much into it lol[00:04:37] <TEttinger> ok[00:04:47] <TEttinger> it's mostly my work now, squidlib[00:04:58] <TEttinger> smelC has helped a bunch[00:05:04] <dnyy> this my first game and first time using java so been hella lot of work and reworking everything over and over again lol[00:05:14] <TEttinger> yeah, sounds rough.[00:05:31] <dnyy> ooh neat, it did look nice and useful. will prob try it if I ever do a 7drl or something[00:05:38] *** Shockah <Shockah!~Shockah@abgq52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:07:03] <TEttinger> heh woo. that's a main goal[00:07:15] <TEttinger> that and allowing me to make a strategy game with crazy rules :)[00:16:25] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlvlvrhwdvpabzsp> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[00:16:41] *** davebaol <davebaol!~davebaol@93-38-232-101.ip72.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[00:21:09] <Scellow> I would love to achieve this result http://i.imgur.com/W5SXJTe.gif[00:21:22] <Scellow> It looks so sexy[00:22:08] *** icomputo <icomputo!~saku@177.228.148.86> has quit IRC (Quit: icomputo.com)[00:23:10] <dnyy> just keep outlines but don't make them straight black[00:23:17] <dnyy> just darker color of the main entity color or w/e[00:24:24] <wulax> maybe 50% transparent black?[00:25:16] <dnyy> or that yea[00:27:51] *** icomputo <icomputo!~saku@177.228.148.86> has joined #libgdx[00:28:23] <Scellow> wulax: you are my hero :D http://i.imgur.com/1oXvlmf.png still need some tweak but i'm getting there[00:28:40] <wulax> nice work![00:28:49] <dnyy> make em like half the thickness maybe[00:30:23] *** CaptainLex_ <CaptainLex_!~CaptainLe@12.104.244.5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:32:45] *** Xoppa <Xoppa!~Xoppa@54689556.cm-12-1c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:43:18] *** FrottyZ <FrottyZ!~FrottyZao@178.200.234.13> has joined #libgdx[00:53:25] *** rubenwardy <rubenwardy!~rubenward@unaffiliated/rubenwardy> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the 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#libgdx[08:39:40] *** icomputo <icomputo!~saku@177.228.138.28> has quit IRC (Quit: icomputo.com)[08:49:31] *** monomolecular <monomolecular!~monomolec@174-24-157-29.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[08:59:51] *** Shockah|Work <Shockah|Work!~Shockah@185.28.17.74> has joined #libgdx[09:07:05] *** LiquidNitrogen <LiquidNitrogen!~quassel@115-189-89-244.mobile.spark.co.nz> has joined #libgdx[09:14:13] *** monsieur_h <monsieur_h!~Thunderbi@194.125-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com> has joined #libgdx[09:21:04] *** smelC <smelC!~churlin@4be54-1-81-56-4-73.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #libgdx[09:21:09] *** monsieur_h <monsieur_h!~Thunderbi@194.125-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[09:22:08] <smelC> bonjour[09:23:22] *** monsieur_h <monsieur_h!~Thunderbi@194.125-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com> has joined #libgdx[09:34:33] *** crazy_im1 <crazy_im1!~mj@a89-182-120-138.net-htp.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Reconnecting)[09:34:40] *** crazy_imp <crazy_imp!~mj@unaffiliated/crazy-imp/x-8704303> has joined #libgdx[09:38:13] *** [AD]Turbo <[AD]Turbo!~ADTurbo@95.235.242.135> has joined #libgdx[09:38:45] <[AD]Turbo> hi there libgdxers[09:41:27] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[09:46:25] *** mtsr_ <mtsr_!~mtsr@bjfw01.knmi.nl> has joined #libgdx[09:46:28] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has joined #libgdx[09:50:28] <iprime> hi[09:50:34] <iprime> seems like everyone's busy libgdxing[09:51:07] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[09:52:33] <TEttinger> yep[09:57:33] <iprime> well our game's graphics are so great, but now we're in need of great effects too[09:57:41] <iprime> particles can be expensive[09:58:41] <iprime> is there a resource with great libgdx based games, we could borrow some inspiration and ideas for effects and stuff[09:59:22] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has joined #libgdx[10:00:15] <Tomski> what effects[10:01:23] <iprime> particle like[10:01:37] <iprime> with particles there's this problem with blending[10:01:40] *** Biliogadafr <Biliogadafr!~PIN@nat2-minsk-pool-46-53-194-183.telecom.by> has joined #libgdx[10:01:47] <Tomski> If you batch your blending its not that bad[10:02:03] <iprime> how so?[10:02:19] <Tomski> Its not hugely expensive[10:02:42] <iprime> the problem is that when blending is enabled and you render the particle on top of the other UI it blends with it, what i want is that the particle itself is as drawn on black background and then blended with the rest of the particles[10:02:45] <iprime> ah[10:03:30] <TEttinger> iprime: sounds like a usage of FBOs, to me, but I could be wrong[10:03:40] <Tomski> you can do that too if you really want with an fbo, but usually you can avoid that with the correct blend modes[10:04:55] <iprime> yeah and since this is a terriroty we haven't explored i was wondering if there are some resources for it, someone sharing xp[10:04:56] <TEttinger> I think lots of effects can be changed in much more demanding ways than what you currently need using FBOs, but they are as I understand it a lot of code compared to using blend modes[10:05:14] <iprime> no util libs?[10:05:28] <TEttinger> there may be, but graphics are very per-project[10:05:34] <iprime> the other option is getting shader stuff from say shadertoy and porting to libgdx, but they usually are very expensive[10:05:47] <Tomski> Just look at games[10:05:48] <TEttinger> performance-wise, you mean?[10:05:55] <iprime> performance wise yeah[10:06:02] <Tomski> Find a particle effect you like, and try to think about how they wor[10:06:05] <Tomski> work[10:06:18] <iprime> Tomski, exaclty, so is there a list of great ligbdx games out there?[10:06:23] <Tomski> Why libgdx games?[10:06:28] <Tomski> Its not a specific thing to libgdx[10:06:45] <iprime> because we've been looking at some unity stuff and it's not easy figuring out how to do the same effects in libgdx[10:07:01] <Tomski> Got an example?[10:07:05] <iprime> yeah[10:07:14] *** LuaKT <LuaKT!~LuaKT@unaffiliated/luakt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[10:07:21] <iprime> i'll record a video/gif and show[10:09:12] *** LuaKT <LuaKT!~LuaKT@unaffiliated/luakt> has joined #libgdx[10:09:39] *** rgabor__ <rgabor__!~rgabor@212.250.200.210> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:14:01] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[10:16:46] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has joined #libgdx[10:20:47] <iprime> http://i.giphy.com/3o6Zt7ZXfmDyRyxJV6.gif[10:20:50] <iprime> This[10:21:14] <iprime> really seems like can be done with particles but can't get the blending right[10:22:42] *** monsieur_h <monsieur_h!~Thunderbi@194.125-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[10:22:45] <iprime> the effect I get with particles is pretty much the same when drawn on a black bg, but it's very different on top of other UI/graphcis[10:28:17] <Tomski> What blend modes are you using?[10:28:24] <Tomski> And what does your result look like[10:31:37] <iprime> out of the box particles, no special settings[10:31:38] <iprime> http://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/22989/how-can-i-achieve-a-good-fire-effect-with-alpha-blending-and-particles[10:31:45] <iprime> this is exactly the same issue[10:33:08] <iprime> in the replies bummzack suggest trying two specific blend modes, but i'm not sure how I can do that in libgdx[10:34:03] <Tomski> setBlendMode on your batch, but the particles will override it[10:34:38] <iprime> i'll experiment a bit[10:35:42] *** monsieur_h <monsieur_h!~Thunderbi@194.125-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com> has joined #libgdx[10:36:52] <iprime> what about FBOs, any examples on how to use them in libgdx? or rather, how can I render the particles to a transparent texture/render target and then render that in the main game[10:37:50] <Tomski> fbo.begin() Gdx.gl.glClear(), draw your particles, fbo.end(). spriteBatch.draw(fbo.getColorBufferTexture()...)[10:38:07] <iprime> great, thanks, well, here goes nothing )[10:40:13] <madytyoo> Tomski, I have a question about 3d models[10:40:15] *** n3o59hf <n3o59hf!~n3o59hf@46.109.126.237> has joined #libgdx[10:44:32] <Tomski> mhm?[10:48:50] *** matej_ <matej_!~matej@chello089173223119.chello.sk> has joined #libgdx[10:49:12] <madytyoo> I have many small 3d models (a rock, a tree,etc.). What is the best way to organize them? a single file with a 2048x2048 uv map, or many small files, with a small UV map?[10:49:16] *** LiquidNitrogen <LiquidNitrogen!~quassel@115-189-89-244.mobile.spark.co.nz> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:52:13] <Tomski> sharing uvs[10:52:21] <Tomski> texture*[10:52:47] <Tomski> You can the use model cache and render them all with one draw call[10:55:37] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[10:56:34] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has joined #libgdx[10:56:57] <Tomski> iprime: you are talking about the issue of rendering on a lighting background like this http://pix.asidik.com/tomski-nVqUUZ.mp4 ?[10:58:34] <Tomski> lighter*[10:58:37] <Tomski> need a coffee[10:59:32] <iprime> yeah[10:59:33] <iprime> wow[10:59:56] <iprime> how did you make the particles follow a pth?[10:59:58] <iprime> path[11:00:24] <iprime> in the gif i've posted it's not that the bg is dark, the effect is kind of the same on lighter backgrounds too (in that game)[11:00:35] <iprime> i'm guessing they do something like the FBO approach[11:01:21] <iprime> do you emit new particles on every mouse move?[11:02:12] <Tomski> They follow mouse, easy to make them follow a path though[11:02:20] <Tomski> You should be able to do it with blending alone[11:02:32] <Tomski> We should expose blending override for particle effects[11:07:27] *** matej_ <matej_!~matej@chello089173223119.chello.sk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:07:49] *** matej_ <matej_!~matej@chello089173223119.chello.sk> has joined #libgdx[11:11:26] *** wickedshell_ <wickedshell_!~wickedshe@160-3-85-217.cpe.cableone.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:16] <iprime> when you move the mouse do you just set a new position to the ParticleEffect and .start it?[11:17:27] <Tomski> juset set position[11:17:40] *** monsieur_h1 <monsieur_h1!~Thunderbi@194.125-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com> has joined #libgdx[11:19:34] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[11:25:24] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has joined #libgdx[11:34:30] *** kdarknight_ <kdarknight_!~kdarknigh@unaffiliated/kdarknight> has joined #libgdx[11:40:25] *** kdarknight_ <kdarknight_!~kdarknigh@unaffiliated/kdarknight> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[11:46:01] *** mtsr_ <mtsr_!~mtsr@bjfw01.knmi.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[11:50:33] <madytyoo> tomski, do you have any suggestion to optimize the shadows?[11:51:04] *** mtsr_ <mtsr_!~mtsr@bjfw01.knmi.nl> has joined #libgdx[11:56:17] <Tomski> madytyoo: it depends on your setup and what you are targetting[11:56:38] <Tomski> basic way, reduce your draw calls[12:03:04] *** desertpunk12 <desertpunk12!uid186697@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sfxngdbdazjsoucx> has joined #libgdx[12:10:35] <madytyoo> what I did, is to add to limit the shadows to few objects, I have 22 draw calls. It works fine on Desktop at 60 fps but on mobile it drops to 12/20.[12:10:49] <Tomski> total?[12:11:15] <Tomski> Or before shadow mapping[12:11:43] <madytyoo> is what I get from the GLProfiler.drawCalls[12:13:35] <madytyoo> if I don't draw the shadows I have 11, which makes sense[12:16:48] <Tomski> What device?[12:18:51] <madytyoo> nexus 7 2012[12:21:54] *** ariejan <ariejan!~ariejan@81.20.68.181> has joined #libgdx[12:21:59] <Tomski> How many tris are you pushing? how many lights?[12:22:32] <Tomski> I have the 2012 nexus 7 also, its pretty sluggish[12:22:39] <madytyoo> it is[12:22:51] <Tomski> you should be able to optimize, but its a bit of a pain[12:23:58] <Tomski> Fillrate, draw calls, lights are the key things to keep an eye out for on mobile[12:24:11] <Tomski> vertex count not so much, but make sure you arent going insane with it[12:25:37] <madytyoo> I have 25000 vertices[12:25:45] <Tomski> thats ok[12:26:15] <Tomski> Is that 25k total? or 25k for a scene pass[12:27:02] <madytyoo> I think it is 25K total[12:27:18] <madytyoo> without shadows[12:27:25] <Tomski> kk, so 50k pushed[12:27:46] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[12:28:12] <madytyoo> with shadows I get 35K/38K[12:28:52] <Tomski> Are you using model cache?[12:29:33] <madytyoo> yes, I do[12:29:42] <madytyoo> not for all[12:30:16] <Tomski> If you have dynamic objects you could cache those in a seprate cache to your static cache[12:30:28] <Tomski> and just rebuild it every frame, sacrificing some cpu for gpu[12:31:09] <madytyoo> I see your point[12:31:23] <madytyoo> to provide all details[12:31:34] *** Larry1123 <Larry1123!Larry1123@irc.larry1123.net> has joined #libgdx[12:31:52] <madytyoo> I have Fog, 1 Ambient Light and 1 Shadow Light[12:32:59] <madytyoo> is the modelCache expensive in term of performance. I took a look to the class, it seems pretty complex[12:33:07] <Tomski> Rendering front to back can be a massive help on mobile[12:33:20] <Tomski> everything has a cost, you need to measure if its a benefit to you[12:34:30] <madytyoo> what you mean with 'rendering front to back'? change the rendering order in the model batch?[12:34:34] <Tomski> Yeah[12:34:45] <madytyoo> oh ... this sound interesting[12:34:50] <Tomski> closest first[12:34:57] <Tomski> so you can reject with depth test[12:35:12] *** mtsr_ <mtsr_!~mtsr@bjfw01.knmi.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Anywhere.)[14:58:38] *** Scellow <Scellow!~quassel@bly33-1-78-246-251-30.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #libgdx[14:59:01] <Scellow> I think i found the right setting for the outlines http://i.imgur.com/P60QvHj.png :D[14:59:44] <iprime> is this 3d or 2.5d?[14:59:53] <Scellow> iprime: 3D[15:05:58] <iprime> looks neat[15:06:14] <iprime> nice materials[15:12:46] *** LunarPathway <LunarPathway!LunarPathw@38.77.40.61> has quit IRC (Quit: I'm going crazy, and I'm taking you with me!)[15:12:59] <Scellow> thanks :)[15:13:58] *** FrottyZ <FrottyZ!~FrottyZao@ip-178-200-234-13.hsi07.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #libgdx[15:32:52] *** matej_ <matej_!~matej@chello089173223119.chello.sk> has joined #libgdx[15:33:04] *** BlotCoo <BlotCoo!~BlotCoo@205-237-0-20-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #libgdx[15:35:50] *** Ashiren <Ashiren!~Ashiren@host-62-61-44-66.dynamic.mm.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[15:36:19] *** jabb <jabb!~jabb@108-248-27-198.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net> has 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do much[15:54:07] <diphtherial> do 'arcade style' platform physics engines exist? i get that they're not that hard, but it's still more work upfront than using box2d (even if you end up tweaking box2d way more)[16:00:00] *** BlotCoo <BlotCoo!~BlotCoo@205-237-0-20-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:04:44] *** BlotCoo <BlotCoo!~BlotCoo@205-237-0-20-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #libgdx[16:11:11] *** kdarknight_ <kdarknight_!~kdarknigh@unaffiliated/kdarknight> has joined #libgdx[16:14:42] <Tomski> iprime: just normal alpha blending[16:14:45] *** kdarknight__ <kdarknight__!~kdarknigh@unaffiliated/kdarknight> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:14:52] <Tomski> GL_SRC_ALPHA GL_ONE_MINS_SRC_ALPHA[16:14:54] <Tomski> probably[16:15:08] <iprime> isn't this the default?[16:15:26] <iprime> doesn't work anyway[16:16:15] <Tomski> Not if you've changed the blend mode to additive[16:20:04] <iprime> a bit lost here[16:21:02] <iprime> 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whatitis <whatitis!uid137841@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lcwewkveqsudpyzs> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[16:38:56] *** howitdo <howitdo!~howitdo@unaffiliated/howitdo> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[16:38:56] *** porkotron <porkotron!laski@punainen.org> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[16:39:07] *** Shockah|Work <Shockah|Work!~Shockah@185.28.17.74> has joined #libgdx[16:39:13] *** lukass <lukass!~lukass@p5087CC0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #libgdx[16:39:14] *** porkotron <porkotron!laski@punainen.org> has joined #libgdx[16:39:19] *** jeffol <jeffol!~jeffol@65.158.118.6> has joined #libgdx[16:39:28] *** blotunga <blotunga!~dragon@86.125.107.199> has joined #libgdx[16:39:39] *** mtsr_ <mtsr_!~mtsr@bjfw01.knmi.nl> has joined #libgdx[16:39:49] <Quallenmann> @iprime if you are using the FrameBuffer from libgdx maybe the Pixmap.Format of the FBO has no alpha value?[16:40:10] *** howitdo <howitdo!~howitdo@unaffiliated/howitdo> has joined #libgdx[16:40:21] *** ShivanHunter 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*** cackling_ladies <cackling_ladies!~cackling_@14.162.209.116> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:06:13] *** mobidevelop <mobidevelop!~nexsoftwa@2607:fb90:229c:d434:a289:5046:9804:b510> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[18:06:51] *** BCX <BCX!d91fcd02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.31.205.2> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:11:23] *** CaptainLex__ <CaptainLex__!~CaptainLe@12.104.244.5> has joined #libgdx[18:13:32] *** CaptainLex_ <CaptainLex_!~CaptainLe@12.104.244.5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:13:59] *** cackling_ladies <cackling_ladies!~cackling_@14.162.209.116> has joined #libgdx[18:16:17] <kdarknight> Xoppa, I have a sawblade and I am trying to rotate it on its center, I do this by translating to -position then rotate then again translating position[18:16:22] <kdarknight> Is this correct?[18:18:26] *** mobidevelop <mobidevelop!~nexsoftwa@2607:fb90:229c:d434:a289:5046:9804:b510> has joined #libgdx[18:18:26] *** mobidevelop <mobidevelop!~nexsoftwa@2607:fb90:229c:d434:a289:5046:9804:b510> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:25:13] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@xdsl-78-35-224-34.netcologne.de> has joined #libgdx[18:25:30] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has joined #libgdx[18:25:36] *** Freiza <Freiza!AdiIRC@117.205.144.174> has joined #libgdx[18:29:01] *** isdera <isdera!~isdera@cpe-74-78-187-102.maine.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[18:35:28] <diphtherial> is that question exclusively for Xoppa?[18:37:33] <Xoppa> yes thats correct[18:37:38] <Xoppa> kdarknight[18:41:03] *** mobidevelop <mobidevelop!~nexsoftwa@2607:fb90:229c:d434:a289:5046:9804:b510> has joined #libgdx[18:41:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mobidevelop[18:41:56] <kdarknight> am i doing anything wrong in here? http://hastebin.com/zikukicuka.scala[18:42:02] <kdarknight> Xoppa, diphtherial[18:42:19] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@xdsl-78-35-224-34.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: hextileX)[18:43:48] *** karab44 <karab44!~karab44@unaffiliated/karab44> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye bye! o/)[18:45:10] <Xoppa> dont use scaling kdarknight[18:45:31] <Xoppa> and dont use the getXXX methods of matrix[18:45:39] <diphtherial> personally i think it'd be easier to construct the transformation matrix from scratch vs. trying to perform a rotation on it by first reversing the existing transform[18:46:22] <Xoppa> ^ that[18:46:39] <Xoppa> i wrote a post about that, let me get the link for you[18:47:17] <Xoppa> http://badlogicgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17878&p=75338#p75338 kdarknight[18:47:18] *** kdarknight <kdarknight!~kdarknigh@unaffiliated/kdarknight> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[18:48:04] <diphtherial> alas[18:50:49] <diphtherial> is it alright for calls to SpriteBatch.begin()/end() and ShapeRenderer.begin()/end() to be interleaved or no?[18:52:12] <diphtherial> (i imagine them overlapping but neither fully containing the other to be the most pathological case, which is why i'm asking about it. in my case, i just want to quickly draw some debug stuff with ShapeRenderer fully within a SpriteBatch begin() and end())[18:53:19] <Xoppa> no, you should not nest them[18:54:08] *** kdarknight <kdarknight!~kdarknigh@unaffiliated/kdarknight> has joined #libgdx[18:54:51] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:54:52] <kdarknight> hate my ISP :/[18:54:54] <diphtherial> ah, noted, thanks[18:56:45] <diphtherial> 12:47 <@Xoppa> http://badlogicgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17878&p=75338#p75338 kdarknight[18:57:26] <diphtherial> (in reference to the approach of storing the position, rotation, and scale separately and calculating the matrix as needed)[18:58:00] <kdarknight> yeah thanks diphtherial , found lost messages in echelog[18:58:10] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has joined #libgdx[18:58:11] <diphtherial> ah, cool, just thought i'd make sure :)[18:58:46] <diphtherial> fyi, it might help to think of transformations as changing the coordinate space; each subsequent operation occurs in the new space[18:59:33] <diphtherial> rotations are always around the origin (even if the local origin is different from the global one), so translate -> rotate gives the appearance of something panning and then rotating in place (i.e. around its new origin)[19:00:11] <myke> from a numerical methods viewpoint, in general you want to rebuild everything from the basics on each frame[19:00:18] <diphtherial> rotate -> translate is a little trickier; the first transform rotates the space such that a translation to, say, (10, 0, 0) is now to some location in the rotated space[19:00:22] <myke> accumulating changes on a matrix is how it degenerates[19:00:32] <diphtherial> that's a good point[19:01:41] <myke> rotate->translate: the object spins at a position[19:01:56] <myke> translate->rotate: the object orbits about the origin[19:01:59] *** Freiza <Freiza!AdiIRC@117.205.144.174> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:02:25] <diphtherial> heh, i probably shouldn't be dispensing advice about transforms if i can't get this right. i always have trouble, thought i had it this time[19:03:37] <kdarknight> okay, i read that article but I am still confused, what am I doing wrong if I am using line 28,29,30 of this http://hastebin.com/zikukicuka.scala[19:03:52] <kdarknight> because it results in following gif[19:03:59] <kdarknight> gif coming here.. just a sec[19:06:32] <diphtherial> myke: just tried it out in processing, and afaik rotate->translate causes the object to orbit around the old origin at a distance of translate[19:06:33] <kdarknight> http://imgur.com/a/El7V9[19:06:48] <kdarknight> diphtherial, myke, Xoppa ^^[19:07:04] <diphtherial> whereas translate->rotate moves it to its new position and orbits around its own center[19:07:41] <myke> o ya[19:07:55] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:08:33] <Tomski> ruh oh[19:08:58] <myke> i blame matrix multiplication going right to left[19:09:15] <myke> kdarknight: is it supposed to spin in place?[19:09:30] <kdarknight> yeah, like a saw supposed to at that floting slab[19:10:33] <Tomski> Is the origin in the center of the saw?[19:10:37] <myke> so i'm guessing if you just translate and rotate it rotates in place but around a corner instead of the center?[19:10:52] <diphtherial> kdarknight: http://hastebin.com/awedirokoy.scala[19:11:45] <diphtherial> i wasn't sure how you're scaling your thing since it's not in your sample, so adjust accordingly, but that illustrates the idea of building the matrix from position, etc.[19:12:20] <kdarknight> diphtherial, in line 15[19:12:39] <Tomski> stop scaling already[19:12:44] <kdarknight> lol[19:12:54] <diphtherial> Tomski: what's wrong with scaling it, out of curiosity?[19:13:14] <Tomski> Set the origin in your modellling application kdarknight[19:13:17] <kdarknight> diphtherial, how am i going to get that position matrix?[19:13:21] <Tomski> and make it a correct size[19:13:25] <Tomski> then enjoy your ez life[19:13:35] <kdarknight> Tomski, what if I want to resize in realtime?[19:13:40] *** jonahK <jonahK!80e36870@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.128.227.104.112> has joined #libgdx[19:13:43] <kdarknight> like a scary saw[19:13:48] <Tomski> Move your eyes closer to your monitor[19:13:54] <diphtherial> it's fine to scale it[19:14:03] <kdarknight> but that will make everything bigger Tomski :/[19:14:07] <jonahK> hi guys :)[19:14:30] <diphtherial> kdarknight: what do you mean "how am i going to get that position matrix"?[19:14:32] <Tomski> diphtherial: because scaling changes physics in a way that doesnt work[19:14:45] <Tomski> kdarknight: will make what bigger?[19:14:53] <diphtherial> it's created for you via setToTranslation()[19:15:06] <Tomski> hello jonahK[19:15:12] <diphtherial> Tomski: ah, fair, if you're doing a physics simulation then yes[19:15:22] *** smelC <smelC!~churlin@4be54-1-81-56-4-73.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: www.schplaf.org/hgames/)[19:16:26] <kdarknight> diphtherial, setToTranslation sets translation matrix of a modelInstance and resets everything[19:16:27] <Tomski> diphtherial: (its also a good sign that people dont have a good export workflow)[19:16:48] <kdarknight> Its like setting a new matrix[19:16:55] <diphtherial> kdarknight: that's precisely what it's doing, yes[19:16:57] <kdarknight> with only translation vars[19:17:04] <diphtherial> do you have some previous transformation that you needed in that matrix?[19:17:09] <Tomski> read Xoppas post he posted here[19:17:46] <kdarknight> okay, So I should maintain that position vector myself right?[19:17:52] <diphtherial> kdarknight: correct[19:18:37] <kdarknight> okay lemme try[19:18:39] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has joined #libgdx[19:19:35] <diphtherial> if you do need to pre-apply some transform (say your sawblade's in a house and you want it to move with said house), you can multiply the house's transform matrix by your new model-specific matrix (although do keep in mind that your position will then be in 'house coordinates')[19:20:46] <diphtherial> arithmetic operations on 4x4 matrices are fairly cheap, so it's ok to do them often[19:21:02] <kdarknight> okay now i get that Xoppa's post[19:21:43] <kdarknight> but diphtherial , using your 3 lines also resets rotation[19:22:25] <kdarknight> so its like still model because its reseting rotating scaling reseting[19:22:27] <diphtherial> kdarknight: right, you'll have to maintain a running count of the rotation from 0, not just the delta[19:22:32] <jonahK> I'm really new to libgdx, i understand how to import and draw textures but I want to add a textfield to my game, can someone help me out[19:22:48] <Tomski> jonahK: scene2d has textfield widgets[19:22:59] <kdarknight> oh[19:22:59] <jonahK> so would i create a private widget[19:23:01] <jonahK> as opposed to texture[19:23:09] <diphtherial> kdarknight: you can add a member to your class 'angle' and just set angle += delta each frame[19:23:23] <kdarknight> yeah, lemme try[19:23:29] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[19:23:48] <Tomski> jonahK: https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/wiki/Scene2d.ui[19:24:03] <jonahK> <3 ty[19:28:39] <jonahK> Can someone explain what a skin is[19:29:01] <kdarknight> okay i think i did something wrong again http://hastebin.com/yumupazage.cs[19:29:10] <jonahK> Or are there default skins i can use[19:30:23] <diphtherial> kdarknight: what behavior are you observing?[19:30:50] <Tomski> jonahK: its in that article[19:31:53] <kdarknight> http://imgur.com/a/El7V9 almost like this[19:32:07] <kdarknight> rotating on a circle instead of a point[19:32:37] <diphtherial> is your model centered on its own origin or is it offset?[19:33:59] <diphtherial> oh, do note that setFromEulerAngles() will replace the contents of the matrix[19:34:35] <kdarknight> what should i do to rotate relatively? multiply with a rotation matrix?[19:35:07] <diphtherial> any matrix method that doesn't have 'set' in the name multiplies that transform with the current contents of the matrix[19:35:16] *** jonahK <jonahK!80e36870@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.128.227.104.112> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[19:35:38] <kdarknight> oh shit[19:35:42] <kdarknight> i am fucking noob[19:35:45] <kdarknight> :P[19:36:05] <diphtherial> assuming you just want it to rotate on its side, replace the line with setFromEulerAngles() with this: instance.transform.rotate(1, 0, 0, rotation.z)[19:36:16] <diphtherial> (assuming you want it to rotate around the x axis; if not, adjust accordingly)[19:36:53] <diphtherial> albeit if you really want to use setFromEulerAngles(), you can create a new matrix using that and then multiply that onto your instance.transform matrix, yes[19:36:54] <kdarknight> nope, still same instance.transform.rotate(Vector3.Z, rotation.z);[19:37:04] <diphtherial> ok, that's fine[19:37:11] <diphtherial> oh, you mean it's doing the same thing?[19:37:16] <kdarknight> yeah, same thing[19:37:20] <kdarknight> rotaion on circle[19:38:43] <diphtherial> eh, well, try swapping the translate and rotate; you can clear out the matrix to the identity via instance.transform.idt(); instance.transform.rotate(Vector3.Z, rotation.z); instance.translate(position)[19:38:56] <diphtherial> *instance.transform.translate(position);[19:39:14] <diphtherial> if that still is acting weird, verify that your model is centered on its origin in your modeling program[19:39:33] <diphtherial> (if it's not, it's effectively pre-translated to some random point around which your model will orbit)[19:39:48] <kdarknight> lemme see[19:49:31] <kdarknight> oh god[19:49:32] <kdarknight> finally[19:49:43] <kdarknight> it was that model all this time[19:49:48] <kdarknight> man i hate 3d[19:50:05] <kdarknight> its origin was offset like 3points away[19:50:09] <kdarknight> fu*k mann[19:50:10] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has joined #libgdx[19:50:29] <kdarknight> thanks everyone anyway, learned a lot :D[19:52:46] *** kdarknight_ <kdarknight_!~kdarknigh@unaffiliated/kdarknight> has joined #libgdx[19:52:50] *** monsieur_h <monsieur_h!~Thunderbi@maa78-h05-176-130-32-132.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr> has joined #libgdx[19:53:24] <diphtherial> heh, nice; struggling is how you learn[19:53:47] <kdarknight_> :P[19:56:07] <diphtherial> i mean that charitably -- you're not learning nearly as much when you're succeeding effortlessly, even though it feels great[19:56:15] *** kdarknight <kdarknight!~kdarknigh@unaffiliated/kdarknight> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[19:57:16] *** monsieur_h <monsieur_h!~Thunderbi@maa78-h05-176-130-32-132.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:59:29] <diphtherial> kdarknight_: out of curiosity, did you end up doing translate or rotate first? i'm hoping translate[20:00:01] <kdarknight_> those 3 lines you gave me worked[20:00:09] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:01:08] <diphtherial> taken out of context that would be amusing[20:01:50] *** Keniyal <Keniyal!~Keniyal@unaffiliated/keniyal> has joined #libgdx[20:01:55] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has joined #libgdx[20:04:09] <kdarknight_> gif comming up[20:04:42] <kdarknight_> http://imgur.com/a/56ymp[20:05:04] <kdarknight_> gif may lag, but actual animation doesn't[20:05:34] <kdarknight_> btw is it okay to create many ModelInstances to simulate particles? (Ofcourse I am pooling them)[20:05:42] <kdarknight_> Or is there any better way[20:07:50] *** mxttie <mxttie!~mattie@d51A46969.access.telenet.be> has joined #libgdx[20:09:47] *** lapinozz <lapinozz!~lapinozz@45.74.164.117> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[20:14:56] <diphtherial> well, there is a 3d particle system that's likely to have better performance if you're willing to give up some control: https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/wiki/3D-Particle-Effects[20:16:41] <wulax> cool kdarknight_[20:17:21] <kdarknight_> diphtherial, yeah i can use that, but i am kinda doing this to learn stuff[20:17:27] <wulax> those particles don't have physics simulation, but it is probably not hard to add[20:17:40] <kdarknight_> so no particle effect support or bullet[20:17:53] <kdarknight_> wulax, physics effects like?[20:18:07] <kdarknight_> can you suggest anything to make em real like?[20:18:11] <wulax> oh, yeah, you are doing your own physics right?[20:18:17] <kdarknight_> yup[20:18:33] <wulax> ok, no idea what to suggest[20:18:38] <kdarknight_> haha[20:18:39] <myke> real like how?[20:18:43] <myke> you have the physics of your blade[20:18:53] * diphtherial studies the physics of the blade[20:18:55] <myke> each particle comes off at a random angle and variance in velocity[20:19:01] <myke> it's not a lot of physics[20:19:05] <myke> they arc because of gravity[20:19:06] <kdarknight_> real like, it looks cool[20:19:10] <myke> haha[20:19:43] <myke> do you have a clip of a "cool" irl spark sprayer?[20:19:47] <diphtherial> kdarknight_: visually, i'd suggest having your sparks orient themselves in the direction of their velocity; it currently looks a bit like they're pointing straight up[20:20:30] <diphtherial> also, scaling them by their velocity in the direction they're pointing can be a nice touch, then they won't appear to have a noticeable direction when they're just touching a surface off of which to rebound[20:22:07] <diphtherial> i'd additively blend the sparks to make them look like they're glowing as well...you might even consider replacing the model with a point sprite to save polys[20:22:18] *** solarlune <solarlune!~quassel@2606:6000:6507:3900:b8e3:e559:4d49:479a> has joined #libgdx[20:22:49] <diphtherial> seems like you're doing pretty well rendering that many sparks, so perhaps optimization isn't necessary right now[20:25:02] <mobidevelop> Optimize never[20:25:03] *** davebaol <davebaol!~davebaol@93-38-229-217.ip72.fastwebnet.it> has joined #libgdx[20:25:23] *** Fastinyoh <Fastinyoh!~Fastinyoh@204.28.124.221> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:38:24] *** Freiza <Freiza!AdiIRC@117.205.151.7> has joined #libgdx[20:40:00] <diphtherial> can i quote you on that?[20:40:27] <mobidevelop> Sure[20:40:51] <diphtherial> "Optimize never." --mobidevelop, october 5th, 2016[20:40:57] *** atrus6 <atrus6!~Thunderbi@72.241.82.247> has joined #libgdx[20:43:27] *** monsieur_h <monsieur_h!~Thunderbi@maa78-h05-176-130-32-132.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr> has joined #libgdx[20:43:55] *** isdera <isdera!~isdera@cpe-74-78-187-102.maine.res.rr.com> has joined #libgdx[20:57:12] *** monsieur_h <monsieur_h!~Thunderbi@maa78-h05-176-130-32-132.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[20:59:02] <kdarknight_> diphtherial, trying to point them to motion direction from yesterday. Xoppa helped a lot. Some of the particles do rotate, but some does not. 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It worked! The method is: OrthogonalTiledMapRenderer.render(int[]layers)[22:36:55] *** madytyoo <madytyoo!4f2a5756@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.42.87.86> has joined #libgdx[22:39:03] <madytyoo> Hi guy[22:47:15] *** atrus6 <atrus6!~Thunderbi@72.241.82.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[22:48:25] *** Oebele <Oebele!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:57:20] *** monomolecular <monomolecular!~monomolec@174-24-157-29.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:03:00] *** BlotCoo <BlotCoo!~BlotCoo@205-237-0-20-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:03:39] *** mtsr_ <mtsr_!~mtsr@5ED369D0.cm-7-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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(www.adiirc.com))[23:37:14] *** nexsoftware <nexsoftware!~nexsoftwa@2607:fb90:220c:f00b:4e11:8e82:5390:d84d> has joined #libgdx[23:37:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nexsoftware[23:37:17] *** nexsoftware <nexsoftware!~nexsoftwa@2607:fb90:220c:f00b:4e11:8e82:5390:d84d> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:37:31] <TEttinger> I wonder...[23:39:07] *** mobidevelop <mobidevelop!~nexsoftwa@2607:fb90:229c:d434:a289:5046:9804:b510> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:39:45] <Xoppa> no, pplante, not at the moment[23:40:47] *** mobidevelop <mobidevelop!~nexsoftwa@2607:fb90:220c:f00b:4e11:8e82:5390:d84d> has joined #libgdx[23:40:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mobidevelop[23:41:00] *** xavier__ <xavier__!4b529996@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.82.153.150> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[23:41:28] *** Freiza <Freiza!~Freiza@117.205.151.7> has joined #libgdx[23:44:07] *** n3o59hf <n3o59hf!~n3o59hf@46.109.126.237> has joined #libgdx[23:44:39] *** pplante <pplante!~phil@65.78.138.166> has quit IRC (Quit: pplante)[23:44:56] *** pplante <pplante!~phil@65.78.138.166> has joined #libgdx[23:46:37] *** pplante <pplante!~phil@65.78.138.166> has left #libgdx[23:46:46] *** pplante <pplante!~phil@65.78.138.166> has joined #libgdx[23:47:23] *** pplante <pplante!~phil@65.78.138.166> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:48:18] *** Freiza <Freiza!~Freiza@117.205.151.7> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:48:41] *** pplante <pplante!~textual@65.78.138.166> has joined #libgdx[23:49:06] *** kjempff <kjempff!~kvirc@1004ds2-arno.0.fullrate.ninja> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:49:55] *** Freiza <Freiza!~Freiza@117.205.151.7> has joined #libgdx[23:51:16] *** Freiza <Freiza!~Freiza@117.205.151.7> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:51:59] *** Freiza <Freiza!~Freiza@117.205.151.7> has joined #libgdx[23:52:20] *** Freiza <Freiza!~Freiza@117.205.151.7> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:53:09] *** Freiza <Freiza!~Freiza@117.205.151.7> has joined #libgdx[23:54:08] *** ehva <ehva!~Mutter@92.190.52.196> has joined #libgdx[23:54:46] <pplante> i have not used libgdx in about 3 years, so i am playing around with the "new[23:55:16] <pplante> "new" ashley component system. its very awesome. can someone recommend how i would implement player input controls with it?[23:55:42] *** Xoppa <Xoppa!~Xoppa@54689556.cm-12-1c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:56:06] <pplante> i have an InputSystem and I copied MovementSystem from https://github.com/libgdx/ashley/wiki/How-to-use-Ashley as a way to get started with this library. so my entity has a Position and Velocity component[23:56:07] *** LyronDev <LyronDev!57a0759b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.160.117.155> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[23:56:36] <pplante> MovementSystem applies the velocity to the entities position, so should InputSystem modify the velocity?[23:57:38] <diphtherial> seems reasonable, might as well give it a try[23:58:26] <pplante> ok, good to know i am not horribly off track :)[23:58:51] <pplante> back in my day our entities just had a ton of code stuffed in a class and it was horrible