October 3, 2014 
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October 3, 2014 [00:00:09] <kalle_h> with directions you set it to 0[00:00:29] <kalle_h> that basically negate the effect of translation[00:01:53] <kalle_h> worldSpaceNormal = normalize(objectMatrix * vec4(a_normal, 0.0).xyz);[00:02:11] <kalle_h> if you don't use non uniform scale[00:03:26] *** Kajos has quit IRC[00:04:23] *** wreed has quit IRC[00:10:37] *** deniska has quit IRC[00:14:45] *** lukas has joined #libgdx[00:20:03] *** prophile has quit IRC[00:23:07] *** francisl has quit IRC[00:23:56] *** francisl has joined #libgdx[00:28:10] *** wreed has joined #libgdx[00:28:12] *** francisl has quit IRC[00:28:23] *** Garcon has quit IRC[00:30:12] *** qaisjp is now known as qaisjp`[00:36:20] *** StrikerFred has quit IRC[00:38:32] *** LiquidNitrogen has joined #libgdx[00:39:54] <baseball435> Any reason why a model takes so long to load on an android device?[00:40:16] <baseball435> Any reason why a model takes so long to load on an android device?[00:41:46] *** ksclarke has quit 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<warmwaffles> libgdx doesn't have a priority based inputmultiplexer does it[05:09:41] *** derferman has quit IRC[05:10:11] *** joshuafcole has quit IRC[05:11:24] *** joshuafcole has joined #libgdx[05:12:43] *** ishid` has quit IRC[05:17:58] <Leeeeeestat> inputmultiplexer works like that, the first processor you added to it will be the first to handle the input[05:18:14] <Leeeeeestat> if the processor then retuirns false, the seconds processor will handle the input[05:24:14] *** derferma_ has joined #libgdx[05:29:15] *** deBugger_ has joined #libgdx[05:32:47] *** deBugger has quit IRC[05:33:18] *** ishid` has joined #libgdx[05:36:13] *** deniska has joined #libgdx[05:42:16] *** derferma_ has quit IRC[05:43:51] *** joshuafcole has quit IRC[05:44:02] *** Leeeeeestat is now known as Lestat[05:45:08] *** joshuafcole has joined #libgdx[05:52:02] *** joshuafcole has quit IRC[05:53:38] *** joshuafcole has joined #libgdx[05:57:37] *** aegamesi has quit IRC[05:59:38] *** derferma_ has joined 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I am using t[13:36:33] <JoeBloe> he Game class with Screen-implementing screens and want to show the ads on the options screen only. Maybe I should add, that I'm not really familiar with the official Android api and don't know what's going on with Activities here.[13:37:34] *** duff has joined #libgdx[13:38:32] *** Mystor_ has joined #libgdx[13:39:52] <Tomski> JoeBloe, use a handler to toggle when ads should be shown[13:42:45] *** Mystor_ has quit IRC[13:48:33] *** lukas has quit IRC[13:51:01] *** mnicinski has joined #libgdx[13:51:35] <JoeBloe> Tomski : Okay... Where and how? Sorry, but I'm still pretty new to libGDX and completely new to Android...[13:52:32] *** derferman has joined #libgdx[13:54:07] <Tomski> JoeBloe, check https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/wiki/Admob-in-libgdx#control[13:55:41] <JoeBloe> Tomski, thanks, I somehow missed that part before. Gonna do some reading now...[13:57:05] *** derferman has quit IRC[14:01:57] *** davebaol has quit IRC[14:02:55] *** boy has joined #libgdx[14:03:17] *** boy is now known as Guest18228[14:04:15] *** Guest18228 has quit IRC[14:04:33] *** cheesecakenl has joined #libgdx[14:05:08] <cheesecakenl> Hi I just posted a question to the libgdx forums. Maybe someone in here can help me ? http://www.badlogicgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16644[14:08:48] <JoeBloe> Tomski, thanks again, that did it. 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anyone face this error before?[16:53:00] <sm0ke> void b2StackAllocator::Free(void*): Assertion `p == entry->data' failed.[16:53:22] <sm0ke> can seem to figure, i am just simulating a falling circle![16:54:34] *** Jpnock has joined #libgdx[16:57:02] <sm0ke> cant*[16:57:46] *** derferman has quit IRC[16:58:36] *** phoenixw has joined #libgdx[16:59:31] *** cheesecakenl has quit IRC[17:00:39] *** Lingo_ has joined #libgdx[17:00:40] *** BlackDraegon has joined #libgdx[17:02:57] *** scape_ has quit IRC[17:03:02] *** ColaColin has joined #libgdx[17:03:22] *** slack-bot18 has quit IRC[17:03:45] *** Beardragon has quit IRC[17:05:59] *** scape_ has joined #libgdx[17:06:07] *** Sandm4n has joined #libgdx[17:06:08] *** ilar has quit IRC[17:06:24] *** ilar has joined #libgdx[17:07:36] *** Jpnock has quit IRC[17:07:54] *** Sadale has joined #libgdx[17:08:50] *** ruben01 has joined #libgdx[17:08:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ruben01[17:09:46] *** blomman has quit IRC[17:10:09] <badlogic1> any ios 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xapiens has quit IRC[18:26:33] *** rmrf has left #libgdx[18:28:15] <[twisti]> that was a fun game[18:28:18] <[twisti]> both, really[18:29:34] <Raziel> anyone have an idea of how to use the asset manager in a more effective way, to avoid hardcoding paths/filenames and to get references to them faster?[18:30:13] <Raziel> All I can think of is moving the hardcoding part to some enums and using those with the manager[18:30:28] <[twisti]> gross[18:30:56] *** Kohaku has quit IRC[18:31:15] <[twisti]> if you are going that route, at least move the hardcoding part to config files instead[18:32:42] *** Kohaku has joined #libgdx[18:33:27] *** _ishid is now known as ishid[18:35:30] *** joshuafcole has quit IRC[18:37:17] *** Mystor_ has quit IRC[18:39:28] *** ravenlord has joined #libgdx[18:39:31] <ravenlord> hi[18:41:44] *** PaulB_ has joined #libgdx[18:42:12] <PaulB_> is possible to load music from phone (sdcard or internal storage) and play them with libgdx?[18:46:14] *** esvee_ has joined #libgdx[18:47:54] <deniska> yes[18:48:06] <ravenlord> http://pastebin.com/HA9bDdBa -> http://imgur.com/0wXhMrV[18:48:25] <ravenlord> does anyone know why my first cell is off?[18:49:17] <ravenlord> the first row actually[18:50:12] *** esvee__ has quit IRC[18:51:52] *** PaulB_ has quit IRC[18:52:09] <[twisti]> because you do .space after .row[18:52:14] <[twisti]> but .row begins a new row[18:52:16] *** Keniyal has joined #libgdx[18:52:29] <[twisti]> so in actuality, you do the .space at the start of every row but the first one[18:52:33] *** derferman has joined #libgdx[18:52:37] *** geekchop has quit IRC[18:53:03] <ravenlord> ah[18:53:10] <ravenlord> how do i add padding between rows then?[18:53:11] <[twisti]> just move the .row to the very end[18:54:24] *** lukas has joined #libgdx[18:56:00] <ravenlord> ah, row().spaceTop() comes to the rescue[18:56:18] *** ajhager has quit IRC[18:56:21] <ravenlord> well, actually it doesn't needs to be in row() indeed[18:57:13] *** derferman has quit IRC[18:57:17] <ravenlord> ok cool[18:57:40] <ravenlord> thanks, well time to wrap up for today[18:57:41] *** ravenlord has left #libgdx[18:58:08] *** Tann_ has quit IRC[18:58:30] <[twisti]> "in the row" is not a thing[18:58:37] <[twisti]> .row starts a new row[18:58:42] <[twisti]> its like a . in language[18:58:49] *** lukas has quit IRC[18:59:24] *** Mystor has joined #libgdx[18:59:56] *** Ange_blond has quit IRC[19:00:35] <[twisti]> doing .row is like pressing enter, after it, youre in the next line[19:00:48] <[twisti]> it doesnt return the current row or anything like that[19:02:45] *** lukas has joined #libgdx[19:03:06] *** Beardragon has joined #libgdx[19:04:34] *** ilar_ has joined #libgdx[19:05:15] *** phoenixw has joined #libgdx[19:06:28] *** ilar has quit IRC[19:08:08] *** DevilWithoutAcau is now known as nick-is-jamin[19:10:16] *** phoenixw has quit IRC[19:11:16] <diphtherial> if you actually want to make a decent game, how important is it to have unique graphical assets?[19:11:21] <diphtherial> i'm just thinking as a hobby thing, not for sale[19:11:29] <diphtherial> (are most of you looking to sell your games, out of curiosity?)[19:11:49] *** mxttie has quit IRC[19:12:38] *** noone has joined #libgdx[19:16:16] *** esvee__ has joined #libgdx[19:16:50] *** abs25 has joined #libgdx[19:18:35] *** neeemo has joined #libgdx[19:18:36] *** SgtCoDFish has joined #libgdx[19:18:51] *** esvee_ has quit IRC[19:19:05] *** SgtCoDFish has left #libgdx[19:19:27] <noone> has anybody here used google play services multiplayer before?[19:19:46] <noone> huh, what happened to my 'o's[19:22:18] <jeffo> noone, I have not but plan on checking it out very soon[19:22:35] *** ajhager has joined #libgdx[19:22:42] *** geekchop has joined #libgdx[19:22:49] *** Mystor has quit IRC[19:22:59] *** ajhager has quit IRC[19:23:17] *** ajhager has joined #libgdx[19:23:26] <noone> https://developers.google.com/games/services/integration/ I don't understand wwhy libgdx does not support the GPS mutliplayer stuff[19:23:30] *** Mystor has joined #libgdx[19:24:15] <jeffo> it should be a no-brainer integrating it on Android[19:24:24] <Tomski> noone, I think its just because there isnt an example that uses it[19:25:35] <noone> aahhh, I didn't notice they are linking tutorials/examples there[19:25:59] <noone> you are probably right[19:25:59] *** Symyon has left #libgdx[19:26:29] <neeemo> Do you guys know if there are any tutorials out for the facebook roboVM bindings? found all the samples, but a quick guide would be nice just to get a start![19:27:50] *** eReS has quit IRC[19:29:27] <jeffo> here are the docs for ios facebook (it should translate to the roboVM bindings) https://developers.facebook.com/docs/ios[19:29:35] *** prqtnc has joined #libgdx[19:30:01] <diphtherial> ok, so stupid question, but i'm having trouble launching Hiero from within intellij[19:30:14] <diphtherial> the wiki is telling me to right-click the Hiero class, but i have no idea where that is...[19:30:59] <Xoppa> diphtherial, https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/blob/master/extensions/gdx-tools/src/com/badlogic/gdx/tools/hiero/Hiero.java[19:31:10] <noone> diphtherial: you can download runnable jars here http://pixelscientists.com/blog/[19:31:19] <diphtherial> Xoppa, noone: thank you[19:33:10] <Tomski> jars are icky[19:33:32] <Tomski> New run config, com.badlogic.gdx.tools.hiero.Hiero, desktop module as classpath[19:33:41] *** hextileX has quit IRC[19:35:17] *** Rattus has quit IRC[19:35:18] *** r0v3r6 has joined #libgdx[19:35:32] *** r0v3r6 has quit IRC[19:37:48] <neeemo> jeffo, I know. Was just wondering if there already was some start up tutorial :p but yeah I guess I just have to dig into it the old school hard way.[19:38:07] *** francisl has joined #libgdx[19:38:25] <jeffo> oh, yeah, sorry it wasn't more help >.<[19:39:39] *** combo has joined #libgdx[19:44:02] *** Beardragon has quit IRC[19:46:01] *** ishid` has joined #libgdx[19:47:14] *** mnicinski has quit IRC[19:48:14] *** _ishid has joined #libgdx[19:49:12] *** ishid has quit IRC[19:49:38] *** geekchop has quit IRC[19:49:40] *** dajos7 has joined #libgdx[19:50:36] *** ishid` has quit IRC[19:52:34] *** derferma_ has joined #libgdx[19:53:04] *** _ishid has quit IRC[19:57:38] *** derferma_ has quit IRC[20:05:49] <[twisti]> i dont understand how things in the play store have so many votes[20:05:55] <[twisti]> i have no idea how to rate things[20:06:01] <[twisti]> been looking for five minutes now[20:06:12] <nexsoftware> Paid reviews[20:06:25] <[twisti]> how do normal people just find this super hidden rating option ?[20:07:31] *** badlogic has joined #libgdx[20:07:35] <nexsoftware> You go to the page for the app[20:07:48] <nexsoftware> And you tap the stars[20:07:56] <[twisti]> so i have to close the app store, open a web browser and search for the name ?[20:08:07] <[twisti]> and normal people just do that ?[20:08:31] <nexsoftware> No[20:08:35] <nexsoftware> It is in the store[20:08:59] <[twisti]> well im in the play store app, looking at the app, and there is no way to rate it[20:11:32] *** Fulcano has joined #libgdx[20:13:01] <nexsoftware> Did you actually install it first? On the account the your device is using?[20:13:16] <[twisti]> yes and yes[20:13:40] <nexsoftware> Then you are special[20:14:49] <[twisti]> weird[20:15:07] <[twisti]> i tried with another app and it showed up in an obvious place[20:15:14] <[twisti]> the app i tried it with just didnt have that[20:16:18] *** esvee_ has joined #libgdx[20:18:01] *** esvee__ has quit IRC[20:18:09] *** Fitzy_ has quit IRC[20:18:44] *** Fitzy has joined #libgdx[20:19:31] *** derferman has joined #libgdx[20:19:56] *** Mystor has quit IRC[20:23:05] *** hextileX has joined #libgdx[20:24:16] *** derferman has quit IRC[20:25:33] *** badlogic has quit IRC[20:27:33] *** needhash has joined #libgdx[20:27:34] *** abs25 has quit IRC[20:28:41] *** kalle_h has joined #libgdx[20:29:11] *** abs25 has joined #libgdx[20:30:03] <kalle_h> Hello[20:30:04] <kalle_h> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtew9qf2udc9by5/Gameplay-Screenshot-01.png?dl=0[20:30:11] <kalle_h> Nigh shot at the desert town[20:31:15] <binaryatrocity> holy crap that looks amazing[20:31:18] <binaryatrocity> something you're working on?[20:31:28] <needhash> What is that[20:31:29] <needhash> ?[20:32:03] <kalle_h> Its our upcoming game called Hardland[20:32:14] <needhash> Cool[20:32:29] <needhash> What company do you working in?[20:32:34] <binaryatrocity> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=307899345[20:32:36] <binaryatrocity> this one?[20:32:40] <kalle_h> yup[20:33:15] <kalle_h> I worked full week for new weather system and finally get it "done" couple hours ago[20:33:19] <binaryatrocity> it looks great! I'll be wishlisting this for sure[20:33:43] <kalle_h> Eearly access is coming soon[20:34:07] <needhash> Awesome graphics )[20:34:27] <kalle_h> I am our only graphics progammer so thanks :)[20:34:43] <needhash> In-house engine?[20:34:54] <kalle_h> we have two great artist that push quality all the time[20:34:58] <kalle_h> needhash: yeah[20:35:36] <kalle_h> Its fully procedural, dynamic + all the buzzwords that you can imagine. :)[20:35:50] *** sm0ke has quit IRC[20:35:51] <kalle_h> which make my job bit harder[20:36:07] <needhash> Global illumination?)[20:37:10] <Xoppa> kalle_h, would you advise to define uv mapping (which uv coords to use for which texture usage) on compile time or runtime using uniform?[20:37:34] <Xoppa> *for the 3d api[20:37:56] <needhash> Do you checking him? )[20:37:58] <kalle_h> Xoppa: its dirty cheap to do at shader so I would keep it flexible.[20:39:07] <kalle_h> needhash: there is large scale ambient occlusion, screenspace ao + indirect bounce lighting and screenspace reflections. Its not true global illumination but better than nothing[20:40:16] <kalle_h> needhash: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nqjv60mtc2srxm7/AACrA3wlW8o5YnDsxLuh6pdta?dl=0 this folder show some comparision shots about tecniques that we use[20:40:52] <Xoppa> okay thanks kalle_h! so uniform it is. I guess it would be possible to bind vertex attribute to array index (fetch location of the index and supply to glVertexAttribPointer)?[20:41:22] *** _ynk has joined #libgdx[20:41:54] <kalle_h> Xoppa: not sure what you exaclty ask with those vertex attributes[20:43:35] <Xoppa> kalle_h, the feature request is to support multiple uv vertex attributes, currently we call those a_texCoord0, a_texCoord1, etc. but the 3d api only uses a_texCoord0[20:43:40] *** absof25 has joined #libgdx[20:44:38] <kalle_h> yeah that should be possible[20:44:59] <kalle_h> and that is needed for detail textures, light map etc[20:45:31] <needhash> Xoppa, faster to make all attributes in one single array because of cache coherency[20:45:45] <needhash> If I understand you right[20:46:05] <davebaol> hmmm... is it normal that some committers don't appear as contributors in github?[20:46:06] *** stefzekiller has joined #libgdx[20:46:21] *** esvee__ has joined #libgdx[20:46:45] <needhash> davebaol, yes, you can contribute via pull requests[20:46:48] *** abs25 has quit IRC[20:47:34] <davebaol> needhash: usually who make a PR appear as contributor[20:47:38] <davebaol> makes*[20:47:48] <davebaol> appears*[20:48:16] <davebaol> once the PR is merged of course[20:48:37] <needhash> BTW wiki now shows nice diff's[20:48:45] <Xoppa> kalle_h, what i meant was whether we should support it out of the box (by uniform, thus basically for every texture even if the mesh only has one uv attribute, which probably the majority) or make it optional by recompiling the shader when the uv attributes for a texture usage change (or leave it entirely up to the user and dont add support at all, because it cant be implemented that generic)[20:49:38] *** esvee_ has quit IRC[20:52:33] *** derferman has joined #libgdx[20:53:30] <kalle_h> Xoppa: hard to say because its usage depedant[20:54:08] <davebaol> needhash: https://help.github.com/articles/i-don-t-see-myself-in-the-repository-contributors-graph/[20:54:56] <Xoppa> kalle_h, is it safe to assume that for "model-specific" texture (e.g. diffuse, normal, specular) always the first uv vertex attributes are used for the vast majority?[20:55:16] *** prqtnc has quit IRC[20:55:21] <kalle_h> yes[20:55:26] <needhash> davebaol, I think it is "because you are not one of the top 100 contributors"[20:55:42] <davebaol> needhash: it's not me[20:55:44] <kalle_h> second set of uv's are used for special cases like lightmaps etc[20:56:13] <needhash> I don't mean you, just copy/paste )[20:56:16] <Xoppa> ok thanks, then i guess having the option to specify it to the shader, but not actually use it in the default shader is probably the way to go[20:56:32] <davebaol> needhash: I merged a PR by implicit-invocation into gdx-ai[20:56:34] <kalle_h> and then they usually they are not per Mesh but per mesh intance. So they should be on own vertex buffer[20:56:47] <davebaol> needhash: and currently gdx-ai has less than 10 contributors[20:57:08] *** derferman has quit IRC[20:57:25] <davebaol> needhash: likely he has not added his email to the account[20:57:44] <needhash> davebaol, maybe)[21:00:44] *** ra4king has quit IRC[21:01:11] *** ra4king has joined #libgdx[21:01:41] *** ra4king has joined #libgdx[21:04:15] <hextileX> somebody here workes with a multiplayer server?[21:05:55] *** nick-is-jamin is now known as nick-blend-farm[21:06:40] <kalle_h> hextileX: I have succesfully avoided all network code all my life.[21:06:52] <hextileX> kalle_h: good to know[21:07:28] <needhash> kalle_h, haha, that's win[21:13:01] *** duff has quit IRC[21:16:19] *** esvee_ has joined #libgdx[21:17:11] <gentlemandroid3> Xoppa, You around?[21:17:17] *** gentlemandroid3 is now known as gentlemandroid[21:17:24] <Xoppa> yes[21:17:46] <gentlemandroid> How are materials setup in an editor for models?[21:18:07] <gentlemandroid> If I wanted to export something as fbx with cube-mapping, how would I need to set that up?[21:18:22] <gentlemandroid> I'm using Max[21:20:25] *** esvee__ has quit IRC[21:20:34] <gentlemandroid> I mean I setup a cubemap in my Environment but I dunno how to tell the model about it[21:20:37] <Xoppa> g3dx doesn't support cubemap material attributes[21:21:18] <Xoppa> you don't export your environment, just add a CubemapAttribute to the Environment[21:22:49] <gentlemandroid> What's going on in ShaderCollectionTest anyway?[21:23:04] <gentlemandroid> There's like a weird uber shader thing in there[21:23:06] <Xoppa> testing a collection of shaders[21:24:19] <Xoppa> you can use this (new ModelBatch(vertexfile, fragmentfile) instead, with these files: https://gist.github.com/xoppa/9766698[21:25:21] <gentlemandroid> I was interested in the reflect shader particularly[21:25:55] <gentlemandroid> Sorry if this is all over the place[21:26:43] <Xoppa> most have their own test file in here: https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/tree/master/tests/gdx-tests-android/assets/data/g3d/shaders[21:35:56] *** nexsoftware has quit IRC[21:37:19] *** robitx has quit IRC[21:38:36] *** robitx has joined #libgdx[21:39:05] *** _ynk has quit IRC[21:39:56] <kalle_h> Xoppa: Reflection shader seems bit suspicious. It does normalize vector that is used for cubemap lookup(this is redudant.) and its also does calculate reflection direction at vertex shader(and there its normalize view dir with can't be done at that stage)[21:41:59] *** xupisco has joined #libgdx[21:42:06] <Xoppa> kalle_h, yes you're right, i'll change that (although that code isn't actually used)[21:42:16] *** shadowrunner has quit IRC[21:42:34] <kalle_h> nothing make me as happy that removing non used code[21:43:17] <Xoppa> well it is (was) used for testing, but not part of the api or something like that[21:43:44] <Xoppa> tests are commonly used as examples, so it might be worth keeping them (and obviously fix them when needed)[21:44:36] *** Lecherito has joined #libgdx[21:44:37] <Xoppa> kalle_h, i guess you mean normalize v_reflect in FS?[21:44:43] <Xoppa> not change VS[21:46:10] <needhash> Yeah lerping two normal vectors doesn't give normalized result[21:47:04] *** _ishid has joined #libgdx[21:48:40] <kalle_h> cubemap lookup vector don't need to be normalized[21:48:40] <Xoppa> like this: https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/commit/115ec7b97b7ed11924bad5ddaeba48165992a85a[21:50:27] <kalle_h> it would be propably cleaner without that normal map perputation[21:50:58] *** Mystor_ has joined #libgdx[21:52:11] <Xoppa> i'm not sure what you mean[21:52:32] *** derferman has joined #libgdx[21:53:48] *** Fitzy has quit IRC[21:54:45] *** debugger has joined #libgdx[21:55:06] <kalle_h> http://pastebin.com/ga9eA9Ck[21:55:18] <kalle_h> minimal/optimal[21:56:57] *** derferman has quit IRC[21:58:36] *** deBugger_ has quit IRC[21:59:37] <Xoppa> thanks! i will modify it[21:59:58] *** Fitzy has joined #libgdx[22:00:35] <needhash> By the way, Xoppa, did you hear about glsl-optimizer? Unity developer said it speeds up rendering in several times[22:00:42] *** Hronom has quit IRC[22:01:21] <needhash> It just automatically converts glsl sources[22:01:49] <needhash> https://github.com/aras-p/glsl-optimizer[22:02:07] *** _ishid is now known as ishid[22:02:26] <Xoppa> Ow, never heard of it, i always consult kalle_h which is the best glsl-optimizer there is[22:02:33] <Tomski> ++[22:03:09] <needhash> Nice but Unity devs are not stupid too)[22:03:50] <needhash> We can just run benchmark with and without it[22:03:53] <Xoppa> perhaps you can check our shaders?[22:04:06] <needhash> Yes as soon as I can[22:04:08] *** warmwaffles has joined #libgdx[22:04:19] <needhash> Just a suggestion[22:05:40] <warmwaffles> I'm building a project that will be consumed by android and by plain old java. I'm visioning 3 repos, api, android, base. Api, will house all of the necessary interfaces and android and base will implement them. Question is, how the hell do I even begin to set this up in gradle[22:06:02] <warmwaffles> does api need an AndroidManifest.xml?[22:06:17] *** absof25 has quit IRC[22:06:21] <warmwaffles> I'm not building an app, just a library to be consumed by android[22:07:01] *** ishid has quit IRC[22:07:38] *** mobidevelop has joined #libgdx[22:07:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mobidevelop[22:10:02] <Tomski> warmwaffles, what would be the purpose of base?[22:10:18] <warmwaffles> base would be a non android dependent library[22:10:31] <warmwaffles> right now I am having to clean up our android sdk[22:10:34] <warmwaffles> which is complete rubish[22:11:02] *** lukas has quit IRC[22:11:11] <warmwaffles> https://github.com/kissmetrics/KISSmetrics-Android-SDK[22:11:21] <warmwaffles> written by a guy who mainly develops in iOS[22:13:18] <warmwaffles> need to mavenize and gradle that project[22:13:21] <warmwaffles> shit is nutzo[22:14:57] <kalle_h> my experience about glsl-optimizer is that it does make compile time slightly faster(it does remove dead code and such) it makes code extremely ugly and it does not optimize anywhere close what can be done by hand[22:15:42] <kalle_h> it does help with unity because they use intermidiate shader format that is then compiled to extremely non optimized glsl[22:16:15] <kalle_h> for optimized shaders I have even noticed that glsl-optimizer make them slower[22:16:23] *** esvee__ has joined #libgdx[22:16:26] <needhash> It can be useful because not all mobile drivers do it well[22:18:09] <needhash> *may be[22:18:41] <needhash> I'll just try it[22:20:12] *** esvee_ has quit IRC[22:22:14] <Tomski> warmwaffles, so what would your users actually be using?[22:22:24] <warmwaffles> the sdk[22:22:26] <Tomski> You shouldn't need any manifests unless you're testing[22:22:47] <warmwaffles> yea the main sdk library depends on android[22:22:56] *** needhash has quit IRC[22:24:37] *** ilar_ is now known as ilar[22:27:39] *** xapiens has joined #libgdx[22:29:28] *** yuraj has joined #libgdx[22:36:24] *** deBugger_ has joined #libgdx[22:38:47] <Xoppa> heh http://bulletphysics.org/Bullet/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9978[22:39:46] *** debugger has quit IRC[22:40:16] <Tomski> wth[22:41:24] *** lukas has joined #libgdx[22:44:16] *** diphtherial has quit IRC[22:46:23] *** esvee_ has joined #libgdx[22:47:38] <Tomski> pretty cool Xoppa[22:47:40] *** lukas has quit IRC[22:47:42] <Tomski> weird, but cool[22:48:05] <Xoppa> yeah[22:49:53] <Tomski> now im trapped in that subforum[22:50:29] *** esvee__ has quit IRC[22:52:09] *** Swisscheese has joined #libgdx[22:52:39] *** derferma_ has joined #libgdx[22:54:19] *** Swisscheese has quit IRC[22:54:36] *** Swisscheese has joined #libgdx[22:57:20] *** abs25 has joined #libgdx[22:57:30] *** derferma_ has quit IRC[22:58:25] *** Swisscheese has quit IRC[23:00:18] *** abs25 has quit IRC[23:00:28] *** abs25 has joined #libgdx[23:02:35] *** Getterac7 has quit IRC[23:04:31] *** ii has joined #libgdx[23:04:55] *** ii is now known as Guest5948[23:06:18] *** qaisjp is now known as qaisjp`[23:06:48] *** yuraj has left #libgdx[23:08:17] *** Mystor_ has quit IRC[23:09:01] *** Ricorei has quit IRC[23:09:47] *** dajos7 has quit IRC[23:11:43] *** diphtherial has joined #libgdx[23:12:45] *** Kajos has quit IRC[23:12:47] *** nick-blend-farm has quit IRC[23:24:33] *** lasserix has joined #libgdx[23:25:36] *** francisl has quit IRC[23:27:41] *** Getterac7 has joined #libgdx[23:29:53] *** zaal has quit IRC[23:30:33] *** Fulcano has quit IRC[23:32:20] *** deBugger_ has quit IRC[23:32:41] *** nick-blend-farm has joined #libgdx[23:33:01] *** Fulcano has joined #libgdx[23:34:30] *** abs25 has quit IRC[23:36:39] *** zaal has joined #libgdx[23:41:21] *** noone has quit IRC[23:44:40] *** lukas has joined #libgdx[23:45:14] *** Mystor has joined #libgdx[23:46:48] *** Fulcano has quit IRC[23:46:59] <kalle_h> Hash or not to hash thats the problem. Thinking which one would be more optimal for HashMap with entityId's as key. EntityId's are just integers and they unique starting from 0 to entity count[23:48:21] *** Fulcano has joined #libgdx[23:48:30] <kalle_h> It seem that it would be big win to save Hash function and give a bit more memory coherency if I just skip the all the hashing biz with that[23:48:50] *** combo has quit IRC[23:49:31] *** Flaiker has quit IRC[23:49:34] *** lukas has quit IRC[23:50:09] *** mattdesl has quit IRC[23:52:32] *** derferman has joined #libgdx[23:53:00] <kalle_h> This find entityId function is called ten thousands times per frame at most[23:53:52] <Xoppa> if id is from 0 to count then it sounds like an index, which doesn't have to be hashed just an array[23:55:39] <kalle_h> their lifetimes are different so its does cause a lot of holes and this entityFind is not entitySystem but entityView operation which is already filtered[23:55:48] *** dermetfan has joined #libgdx[23:55:53] <kalle_h> so array would be too sparse[23:56:51] <Xoppa> what is the typical range (the entity count)?[23:57:34] *** derferman has quit IRC[23:58:03] <kalle_h> 5-12k at once. >100k in playtime[23:58:36] <kalle_h> and I have dozens of entity views