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[00:20:50] <autojack> fuck
[00:21:04] <autojack> I just blew up a production Jenkins, apparently by entering an erroneous log recorder
[00:21:11] <autojack> now I get a 500 error when I try to access it
[00:21:19] <autojack> can anyone help me figure out where these are stored so I can remove it?
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[00:21:49] <autojack> danielbeck: rtyler ^ ?
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[00:24:19] <danielbeck> autojack looking
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[00:25:53] <danielbeck> autojack JENKINS_HOME/log/whatever
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[00:26:08] <danielbeck> s/whatever/whatever.xml
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[00:27:32] <autojack> delete that and restart?
[00:27:49] <danielbeck> autojack try moving it first perhaps :)
[00:27:51] <rtyler> rename
[00:27:58] * rtyler nods
[00:28:02] <danielbeck> great minds think alike
[00:28:26] <rtyler> we've fubared production too much today danielbeck
[00:28:30] <rtyler> when do the great minds show up
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[00:29:45] <danielbeck> xD
[00:30:13] <autojack> ok I think we're coming back up.
[00:30:17] <autojack> now wtf happened?
[00:30:24] <autojack> I was getting 500s
[00:30:47] <danielbeck> autojack jenkins.log
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[00:33:39] <autojack> yeah that is a bit huge in this scenario.
[00:33:52] <autojack> digging back to where it started.
[00:34:05] <autojack> basically I went to add a new log recorder, hit submit, and then it caught fire.
[00:34:23] <danielbeck> heh
[00:34:28] <autojack> no clue why.
[00:34:33] <danielbeck> root logger at ALL will mess up your day
[00:34:46] <danielbeck> I think that's the default form content?
[00:34:52] <autojack> yeah but I didn't do that.
[00:35:04] <danielbeck> weird
[00:35:28] <autojack> this is what was created in that xml.
[00:35:29] <autojack> https://gist.github.com/omehegan/bfe2bd041f5b26950fa90f28c14d2e96
[00:35:38] <autojack> anything look off about that?
[00:35:44] <autojack> I'm trying to find the exact 500 error we got.
[00:36:10] <danielbeck> no idea how levels translate to numbers
[00:38:12] <autojack> levels?
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[00:38:38] <danielbeck> ALL, FINE, INFO, etc.
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[00:38:56] <autojack> I think it was ALL
[00:39:03] <autojack> but I was trying to scope it to just that one class.
[00:39:20] <danielbeck> autojack https://gist.github.com/omehegan/bfe2bd041f5b26950fa90f28c14d2e96#file-gistfile1-txt-L10
[00:39:26] <danielbeck> dude this is what I wrote
[00:39:30] <danielbeck> root logger with ALL
[00:40:02] <danielbeck> you have two loggers here, one for the specific class, one for EVERYTHING
[00:40:09] <danielbeck> don't do that
[00:41:13] <autojack> ok. I don't get it.
[00:42:05] <autojack> oh, I see. I did Add twice
[00:42:24] <danielbeck> yes
[00:42:45] <autojack> how is the empty root ALL different from the existing 'All Jenkins Logs' that is there by default?
[00:42:57] <danielbeck> that is limited to log INFO and up
[00:43:27] <danielbeck> which is magnitudes of crap less
[00:43:42] <autojack> nice.
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[00:45:25] <autojack> well that was fun
[00:45:36] <autojack> basically I took down builds for... let's say 1/4 of Yahoo.
[00:46:28] <autojack> is there any argument to be made for not allowing me to shoot myself in the face like that?
[00:46:35] <autojack> I mean, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT
[00:46:45] <danielbeck> probably shouldn't be possible, true
[00:46:53] <autojack> danielbeck: thanks for the help, I was in a blind panic trying to figure out where the config xml was so I could kill it.
[00:46:54] <danielbeck> some logger and ALL, fine
[00:47:00] <danielbeck> root logger and INFO or so, fine
[00:47:07] <danielbeck> but not combined
[00:47:27] <danielbeck> TBH sounds like your instance is too big :-/
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[00:49:51] <autojack> 76,845 jobs on one master? nawwwww.
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[00:49:57] <autojack> surely not too big.
[00:51:51] <autojack> shall I open a bug to discuss not allowing a root logger with ALL?
[00:52:12] <danielbeck> autojack yeah, but remember to not hold your breath for that to be implemented :|
[00:52:24] <autojack> yeah I understand.
[00:52:39] <autojack> I think even just a popup warning that this might be a bad idea would be enough for me.
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[00:52:48] <autojack> because in this case it was just a fat finger.
[00:52:58] <autojack> I just figured the empty logger would be ignored :(
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[01:44:04] <gholms> I seem to be getting plugin dependency errors because branch-api 2.0.6 has a dep on scm-api >= 2.0.4, which isn't published yet.
[01:44:23] <gholms> Should I just build that myself or is a fix on the way?
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[01:45:36] <goosemo> gholms: I'm seeing the same thing, this is the second time in a month that plugins have gone out that have deps that aren't avaliable for install
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[01:48:23] <rtyler> recampbell: do you know what that's about ^?
[01:48:54] <recampbell> hmm, checking
[01:50:12] <goosemo> Some health checks are reporting as unhealthy: [plugins : There are 19 failed plugins: branch-api; workflow-multibranch; pipeline-model-definition; blueocean-web; blueocean-rest; blueocean-jwt; blueocean-rest-impl; blueocean-pipeline-api-impl; blueocean-git-pipeline; blueocean-github-pipeline; blueocean-display-url; blueocean-i18n; blueocean-config; blueocean-autofavorite; blueocean-events;
[01:50:14] <goosemo> blueocean-personalization; blueocean-dashboard; blueocean; workflow-aggregator]
[01:50:33] <goosemo> an update all results in 19 plugins failing to load :|
[01:50:53] <gholms> Well, yeah, scm-api breaks branch-api, which breaks pipeline and everything else.
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[01:51:12] <goosemo> yeah that's how I'm reading the logs now, which make that a bit clearer
[01:51:19] <goosemo> than the red error messages :/
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[01:54:43] <recampbell> Caused by: java.io.IOException: Branch API Plugin v2.0.6 failed to load.
[01:54:43] <recampbell>  - SCM API Plugin v2.0.3 is older than required. To fix, install v2.0.4 or later.
[01:54:50] <recampbell> Virgin installation fails ^
[01:55:22] <recampbell> investigating
[01:55:30] <goosemo> also there is no version v2.0.4 recampbell
[01:55:32] <goosemo> https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/SCM+API+Plugin
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[01:55:45] <goosemo> this is the same issue as last release iirc
[01:55:55] <gholms> 2.0.4 does show up in the changelog and the github page.  It just isn't built.
[01:56:12] <goosemo> and can't be fetched
[01:56:13] <rtyler> that's cached, bust out! https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/SCM+API+Plugin?cache
[01:56:19] <recampbell> It seems like one was built: https://github.com/jenkinsci/scm-api-plugin/commits/master
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[01:56:41] <recampbell> so where did the bits go?
[01:56:46] <rtyler> see also https://repo.jenkins-ci.org/releases/org/jenkins-ci/plugins/scm-api/
[01:56:59] <recampbell> rtyler: I think this was just three hours ago
[01:56:59] <rtyler> (always refer to the source of truth)
[01:57:17] <goosemo> it's not a source of truth if nothing refers to it
[01:57:24] <gholms> This was very recent.  I'm just going by what's on updates.jenkins-ci.org.
[01:57:29] <rtyler> recampbell: interdependent plugins released
[01:57:29] <recampbell> ah, so the updates are still making their way out
[01:57:30] <gholms> That's the web server that matters.
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[01:57:44] <rtyler> gholms: if you're accessing that host over http then you're getting redirected to a mirror
[01:57:50] <gholms> Ah, makes sense
[01:57:56] <rtyler> https does not however
[01:57:58] <goosemo> ok, so we're always going to have a race condition on dependent plugin installs?
[01:58:12] <goosemo> cache can't be busted on release?
[01:58:20] <recampbell> well, we need to fix the update center to not expose broken configurations
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[01:58:30] <recampbell> And bug us until we fix it
[01:58:34] <gholms> Did they just get released out of order, then?
[01:58:47] <rtyler> recampbell: r u j/k
[01:58:51] <goosemo> that's how I'm experienceing the issue
[01:59:21] <recampbell> rtyler: JamesD has the code to make this happen
[01:59:25] <gholms> https://updates.jenkins-ci.org/stable/latest/scm-api.hpi redirects to http://archives.jenkins-ci.org/plugins/scm-api/2.0.4/scm-api.hpi, which 404s.
[01:59:32] <recampbell> I'm not kidding, I don't think we should let our update center break people like this
[01:59:37] <recampbell> lots of reasons it can happen
[01:59:51] <recampbell> being more careful is not a scalable policy
[01:59:54] <gholms> The redirect is rewriting the protocol.  :(
[01:59:58] <goosemo> if there was a rollback option to plugin updates I think that'd be simpler to install
[02:00:02] <goosemo> *implement
[02:00:16] <rtyler> recampbell: i386_'s is not required for this at all
[02:00:20] * rtyler grumbles
[02:00:33] <goosemo> like I would care so little when this happens if I could just press one button to undo it
[02:00:38] <rtyler> the easy and immediate solution isn't to rewrite the whole fucking thing, it's to fix INFRA-160
[02:00:41] <jenkins-admin> INFRA-160:Users may see inconsistent data in update center (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-160
[02:00:57] <goosemo> but right now I have to hunt down every individual one and roll it back, or remove manually and install again
[02:01:20] * gholms pulled his plugins dir out of backups
[02:01:30] * goosemo might have to do that too
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[02:02:31] <rtyler> gholms: rewriting the protocol? we don't do that anywhere IIRC
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[02:03:27] <rtyler> http redirects to http mirrors, https request should be redirected only to https (but we don't have mirrors on https)
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[02:03:55] <g3> Oh hi! I'm having a scheduling issue with slaves
[02:04:02] <gholms> Clicking the plugin's link under https://updates.jenkins-ci.org/stable/latest gives me a 302 redirect to a file under http://mirrors.jenkins-ci.org, which gives me another 302 to http://archives.jenkins-ci.org.
[02:04:17] <rtyler> ooooooooooooooof
[02:04:38] <rtyler> if you're getting passed all the way down to archives. that means the mirror indexer cannot find a mirror with the file
[02:04:44] <gholms> archives.jenkins-ci.org also doesn't appear to answer on port 443, so, yeah.
[02:04:47] <rtyler> what URL are you requesting so I can take a look see
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[02:04:56] <gholms> https://updates.jenkins-ci.org/stable/latest/scm-api.hpi
[02:05:23] <rtyler> ah, trying to download a .hpi directly from there, that will get downgraded
[02:05:26] <g3> I have the slaves availability configured as "take this agent online according to a schedule" which is set for: [10 7 * * 1-5] and keep the node up for 770minutes. To me this means that the node should come up at 7:10am till 8pm M-F
[02:05:33] <g3> but the nodes are currently off.. hmp
[02:05:40] <gholms> On the bright side, *now* it isn't leading to a 404.  It is still doing the protocol change, though.
[02:06:11] <rtyler> fwiw http://mirrors.jenkins-ci.org/plugins/scm-api/2.0.4/scm-api.hpi?mirrorlist
[02:06:16] <g3> Timezone is set for PST on the master
[02:06:21] <rtyler> yep the index doesn't know of secondary mirrors wit hthis
[02:06:22] * rtyler sighs
[02:07:47] <goosemo> rtyler recampbell thanks I saw the new version, updated, and things are good here again
[02:07:58] <goosemo> do you need anything from me? tickets? logs? etc
[02:08:01] <rtyler> I'm forcing a sync to the mirrors again
[02:08:20] <rtyler> goosemo: I don't think so, I'm pretty sure this is the same "race condition" we have seen before with the mirror network
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[02:09:22] <rtyler> http://mirrors.jenkins-ci.org/plugins/scm-api/2.0.4/scm-api.hpi?mirrorlist
[02:09:23] <rtyler> yay
[02:09:26] <rtyler> at least one mirror now
[02:11:22] <rtyler> recampbell: could you validate things are kosher with a fresh install now?
[02:11:29] <rtyler> basically whatever you did like 15 minutes ago
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[02:11:33] <recampbell> doing it now
[02:14:21] <recampbell> rtyler: I think that fixed it. All green
[02:14:44] <recampbell> goosemo sorry for the inconvenience, we will be more careful
[02:14:58] <gholms> Thanks, folks
[02:15:07] <rtyler> distributed systems amirite
[02:15:34] <rtyler> gholms: which continent are you on?
[02:15:40] <gholms> North America
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[02:16:09] * rtyler nods
[02:16:38] <goosemo> recampbell: thank you for the quick response and fix :D
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[02:18:00] <gholms> FWIW, in Fedora we dealt with the mirror sync issue by putting the metadata on mirrors right next to the content and having the central mirror list tell the client what file hash to expect.
[02:18:26] <gholms> Not that I'm expecting an easy fix for this any time soon.  Just food for thought.
[02:18:43] <rtyler> gholms: which mirror redirecting tool are you using in fedora?
[02:18:55] <gholms> mirrormanager
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[02:21:05] <g3> Hmm is it possible to pass TZ information in the cron job when scheduling a slaves up time?
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[02:22:09] <rtyler> gholms: ah, we're using mirrorbrain
[02:22:12] <rtyler> which has been /okay/
[02:23:27] <gholms> The fact that I can wind up fetching update-center.json from one place and plugins from another still seems like an issue, though.
[02:23:54] <rtyler> therein lies the 'race condition'
[02:24:10] * gholms nods
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[02:26:21] <gholms> So, yeah.  Co-locating the two.  It can kind of stink to wind up at a mirror that's farther away every once in a while, but at least it'd be internally consistent.
[02:26:29] <gholms> Thanks again for fixing things!
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[02:31:28] <rtyler> gholms: honestly the change I have planned is to kick everything up into Azure blob storage
[02:31:43] <rtyler> our data changes fast enough that mirrors are really no longer the right answer IMO
[02:31:53] <gholms> What's their consistency like, anyway?
[02:32:36] <rtyler> quite decent actually, it's effectively the same as S3
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[02:32:59] <rtyler> easy to front it with their CDN product, which we might do for some traffic but it's pretty costly to serve all these Jenkins instances new update-center.json files every day
[02:33:02] <gholms> Eventual?  Meh, at least it's still one system.
[02:33:03] <rtyler> can't cache it fo' shit
[02:33:21] <gholms> Yeah
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[02:34:29] <rtyler> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/windowsazurestorage/2010/12/30/windows-azure-storage-architecture-overview/
[02:34:32] <rtyler> in case you GAF
[02:34:33] <rtyler> :D
[02:35:04] <rtyler> for our files, we'd be talking sub-minute consistency for sure, instead of ... uh... daily? :)
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[02:35:26] <gholms> They added strong consistency, eh?  Fancy.
[02:36:13] <gholms> Yeah, stuff on the order of minutes or less is far better than what's currently there.  ;)
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[02:37:17] <rtyler> alright, I should do something else other than jenkins for a little while
[02:37:21] * rtyler slowly backs away from the keyboard
[02:37:37] <gholms> Heh.  'Night.
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[03:53:28] <kbaltrinic> I posted in hear about 10 hours ago about a problem we are having with a pipeline job that was working fine and then started hanging, with this error thrown in the jenkins log: http://pastebin.com/gEWpfDch
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[03:55:36] <kbaltrinic> We upgraded all the pipeline related plugins to the latest and this cause a change in behavior.  The job now fails instead of hanging and emits the following in the job log: http://pastebin.com/DgDzcdTb
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[05:27:15] <X-Rob> Everything appears to be broken, and people are running around screaming.  Lots of things want 'SCM API 2.0.4', but it's not available.  https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/SCM+API+Plugin
[05:27:24] <X-Rob> says it was released, but, it's not
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[05:28:52] <mase_wk> hey all, just updated to 2.4 and i have a freestyle parameterised build which executes correctly, but seems to hang at the end of the job and never complete, even when it's done doing all it needs to do as far as i can see
[05:29:04] <mase_wk> at least from  a console perspective
[05:29:15] <X-Rob> mase_wk: I'm also seeing strange things
[05:29:21] <mase_wk> is there any way i can debug this or get it to notify the parent ?
[05:29:24] <X-Rob> But it's stupid-o-clock over in the US
[05:29:57] <mase_wk> you on a windows machine by any chance ?
[05:30:12] <X-Rob> I am, but my issues are not to do with that.
[05:30:14] <kbaltrinic> Determined my problem to be with the jacoco plugin as noted in https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-41515
[05:30:16] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-41515:Provider org.apache.xerces.jaxp.SAXParserFactoryImpl not a subtype (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-41515
[05:30:17] <X-Rob> or do you mean jenkins?
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[05:30:24] <mase_wk> jenkins
[05:30:35] <X-Rob> nah, rhel-esque
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[05:37:44] <X-Rob> mase_wk: I realise this is probably not helpful, but a reboot of MY jenkins server fixed it. I realise that makes NO SENSE AT ALL. But it did.
[05:38:17] <mase_wk> unfortunately (esp given it's windows) that's the first thing i tried :(
[05:39:14] <X-Rob> mase_wk: Check for updates again, there's a bunch of core stuff that was only just released
[05:39:23] <mase_wk> ok thanks
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[06:45:19] <mase_wk> X-Rob: seems to have fixed one of my issues, thanks..i can now build
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[07:38:54] <X-Rob> mase_wk: I've wasted almost an entire day on jekins-and-jenkins-related-issues. Sigh
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[08:42:42] <tasslehoff> Where does Jenkins set its PYTHONPATH? Mine uses /home/jenkins/.local/lib/ , but jenkins
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[08:42:59] <tasslehoff> har it's HOME in /var/lib/jenkins
[08:43:09] <tasslehoff> s/har/has
[08:43:22] <tasslehoff> s/it's/its
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[09:57:28] <vikas027> Hello Everyone, I am looking to automate this part http://pasteboard.co/yzkLSBRfU.png of Jenkins v2 initialization. I think this is doable thru a groovy script just like I have created admin user automatically, but not sure how to do this.  Any pointers please ? Thanks
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[10:51:34] <Para^-^> vikas027: Echo current Jenkins version to files named "jenkins.install.UpgradeWizard.state" and "jenkins.install.InstallUtil.lastExecVersion"
[10:51:48] <Para^-^> vikas027: that bypasses the wizard entirely
[10:52:26] <vikas027> Cool, Thanks <Para^-^>... trying that
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[10:53:09] <danielbeck> Para^-^ vikas027 FWIW the supported way is the jenkins.install.runSetupWizard system property: https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Features+controlled+by+system+properties
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[10:54:19] <vikas027> Do I have to echo jenkins minor version as well or just 2.0 ?
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[10:55:35] <Para^-^> danielbeck: Meh, that's less convenient when eg. building a docker container
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[11:02:51] <vikas027> <Para^-^>  Looks like the file jenkins.install.InstallUtil.lastExecVersion is getting deleted after container is started  Any ideas ?
[11:03:03] <vikas027> <Para^-^>  Pls see this https://dpaste.de/aBnf
[11:03:22] <Para^-^> vikas027: Add it to your Dockerfile, eg.
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[11:03:53] <Para^-^> RUN echo "${JENKINS_VERSION}" > /usr/share/jenkins/ref/jenkins.install.UpgradeWizard.state &&\
[11:03:55] <Para^-^>     echo "${JENKINS_VERSION}" > /usr/share/jenkins/ref/jenkins.install.InstallUtil.lastExecVersion
[11:04:22] <Para^-^> I suppose this should be added to Jenkins official documentation, it's like the second most common question I happen to answer here.
[11:04:51] <danielbeck> Para^-^ There's a support solution that's already in the docs. Yours can break at any time and nobody will care.
[11:05:00] <Para^-^> (or the wizard should be torn away entirely to eg. optional plugin and allow only people with anality to install it)
[11:05:50] <vikas027> <Para^-^>  I was adding this to jenkins home directory which is /var/jenkins_home in my case... trying out /usr/share/jenkins/ref/ now
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[11:09:39] <vikas027> <Para^-^> Thanks a ton, that did the magic. I was echo-ing /var/jenkins_home (my jenkins home directory)... I had to echo here /usr/share/jenkins/ref/
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[11:12:13] <vikas027> <Para^-^>  One more help please. I am also trying to  "Enable Slave -> Master Access Control" (listed under Configure System) thru a groovy script. The solution give here didn't worked for me http://stackoverflow.com/questions/41578991/set-enable-slave-%E2%86%92-master-access-control-from-script-console
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[11:26:56] <danielbeck> vikas027 what's the problem?
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[11:27:46] <vikas027> Hey @danielbeck, I am trying to automate the enabling of "Enable Slave -> Master Access Control" through a groovy script during initialization.
[11:28:01] <danielbeck> vikas027 I got that, but what happens when you apply the linked solution?
[11:28:34] <vikas027> @danielbeck Nothing, I still get prompted to check that box
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[11:28:49] <danielbeck> vikas027 any errors in the log?
[11:29:13] <vikas027> @danielbeck Let me run that again, and capture logs
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[11:30:54] <vikas027> @danielbeck I am trying this script https://dpaste.de/VNwi
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[11:33:11] <vikas027> @danielbeck Got this https://dpaste.de/c8nA#L2   No such property: AdminWhitelistRule
[11:33:38] <danielbeck> Use jenkins.security.s2m.AdminWhitelistRule
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[11:37:38] <vikas027> @danielbeck No luck https://dpaste.de/hkqy   No such property: s2m for class: hudson.security.SecurityMode
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[11:38:20] <danielbeck> vikas027 uh… just the previous approach but just replace AdminWhitelistRule by jenkins.security.s2m.AdminWhitelistRule
[11:38:34] <danielbeck> It's a class name and you didn't import the package
[11:38:36] <vikas027> @danielbeck Ah, ok
[11:38:48] <danielbeck> alternative: import jenkins.security.s2m.*
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[11:44:09] <vikas027> @danielbeck No errors, this time... but the box is still not ticked :(
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[11:44:49] <vikas027> @danielbeck https://dpaste.de/1vxP
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[11:45:23] <vikas027> @danielbeck I have tried both jenkins.security.s2m.AdminWhitelistRule.class and AdminWhitelistRule.class in vain
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[11:46:41] <danielbeck> vikas027 I think 'true' may disable it, so try setting 'false' on line 33
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[11:48:40] <vikas027> @danielbeck yayyyy... that was it.. THANKS A TON !!!
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[11:48:53] <vikas027> @danielbeck Thanks so much for your time.
[11:48:59] <danielbeck> vikas027 you're welcome
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[11:56:13] <vikas027> @danielbeck Thanks for correcting the answer on stackoverflow too, I was about to do the same.
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[13:30:13] <Rathna> Anyone there?
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[13:31:28] <Rathna> Hi.
[13:33:31] <Naktibalda> just ask your question
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[13:34:23] <Rathna> Could you help me on jcaptcha plugin.
[13:34:38] <Rathna> ?
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[13:36:48] <Rathna> I would like to add captcha in jenkins login page.  I have installed and enabled the Jcaptcha plugin. But am not getting captcha in login page. Do I need to configure something or Is there anyway to add captcha in login page?
[13:38:47] <Rathna> @Naktibalda are you there?
[13:41:45] <Naktibalda> no, I can't, but here are a lot of other people and they might know about it
[13:41:58] <Rathna> @all please have a look on this and kindly help me. Thanks in advance.
[13:41:59] <Rathna> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42083586/captcha-for-jenkins-login
[13:42:29] <Rathna> Please help me guys.
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[13:45:54] <Naktibalda> so you installed a plugin which hasn't been updated for 6 years
[13:45:59] <Naktibalda> probably it doesn't work
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[13:46:55] <Rathna> Is there any option to add captcha in login page ?.
[13:47:21] <Rathna> Please advise.
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[13:54:10] <Rathna> @all please have a look on this and kindly help me. Thanks in advance.  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42083586/captcha-for-jenkins-login
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[14:05:38] <Rathna> @all please have a look on this and kindly help me. Thanks in advance.  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42083586/captcha-for-jenkins-login
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[14:26:58] <jfemia> how do i debug this issue? [WS-CLEANUP] Deleting project workspace...Cannot delete workspace :remote file operation failed: <snip path> at hudson.remoting.Channel@30f42bef:Channel to /192.168.0.53: java.io.IOException: Unable to delete '<snip dir>'. Tried 3 times (of a maximum of 3) waiting 0.1 sec between attempts.
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[14:27:24] <jfemia> it's intermittent
[14:27:29] <jfemia> i.e. once or twice per day
[14:27:33] <IzNo>  Hi, I use Jenkins with Mercurial (and pipeline jobs). When both my slaves are building, the other projects cannot poll - as they wait for a slave. What can I do to make the polling happen on the master, and then only queue up the jobs if they need to be run?
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[14:29:16] <danielbeck> jfemia Windows?
[14:29:21] <jfemia> danielbeck: yes
[14:29:38] <danielbeck> jfemia sysinternals utilities can tell you why files may be locked
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[14:33:38] <jfemia> danielbeck: crap, it was my own fault, when I moved the slave workspace folder I didn't tell SEP
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[15:07:41] <danielbeck> ogondza is the label in JENKINS-16634 correct?
[15:07:43] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-16634:Failed to connect slave due to missing folder on the master (Resolved) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-16634
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[15:09:00] <ogondza> danielbeck: yes, I have just backported that
[15:09:09] <danielbeck> ogondza to 2.32.2?
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[15:09:25] <danielbeck> ogondza I want to borrow your time machine :)
[15:09:29] <takeda> Guys, in a pipeline, inside a node() block, how do I execute java code in this particular node? e.g.   println(InetAddress.getLocalHost().getHostName()) prints the masters hostname
[15:09:35] <ogondza> danielbeck: that is obviously not correct
[15:09:46] <ogondza> danielbeck: also, do not touch my time machine
[15:09:56] <danielbeck> ogondza hence me asking, could be a missed label from last time
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[15:11:38] <ogondza> danielbeck: confirmed it was the only issue with the typo. thanks
[15:11:44] <danielbeck> \o/
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[15:22:27] <ssbarnea> here is an interesting Jenkins2 question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42251869/how-to-use-jenkins-pipeline-wrappers-that-do-gracefully-degrate -- anyone having an idea about how to deal with this?
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[15:23:42] <kwinto> hi
[15:23:53] <kwinto> i need help pleas
[15:25:12] <kwinto> [ArtifactDeployer] - [ERROR] - Failed to deploy. Error on copying file.
[15:26:18] <kwinto> I set accept rights for user jenkis for my workdir, but error
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[16:15:01] <Chambooca> random question: how flexible is cloudbees pricing when the only feature you want from their paid plugins is the ability to resume failed pipeline stages (without having to resort to writing your own if/else code)?
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[16:18:13] <danielbeck> Chambooca you'll have to ask cloudbees that
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[16:18:46] <Chambooca> cool. was just looking for anyone with 1st hand experience
[16:19:04] <danielbeck> Chambooca I mean, I work there and couldn't tell you. I doubt you'll find many people on IRC who can ;-)
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[16:19:43] <Chambooca> ha ha.
[16:19:45] <Chambooca> thanks
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[16:37:01] <Lars__> Hi i'm setting up a Jenkins from scratch to build Maven projects and I want to build all available tags from the Git repo is that possible?
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[16:37:56] <danielbeck> Lars__ Multibranch Pipeline projects can build all branches, but I don't think tags are possible
[16:38:42] <rsandell> I've seen a "build tags" option in the code, but can't remember if it's in the UI
[16:39:31] <Chambooca> are you using the git plugin to check out code?
[16:39:36] <Chambooca> we have a jenkins job that builds jobs off of git tags
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[16:41:37] <Chambooca> if its multiple tags...what we have done is checked out all the tags and merged to a local temporary branch on the jenkins server then built that
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[16:42:13] <rtyler> tags are not possible yet from my experience
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[16:42:21] <rtyler> hrmpw would know if we're planning to do that
[16:42:31] <Lars__> The different tags marks every time the pom version have been bumped so i need to build from all the tags so that Jenkins get all the version in the M2_REPO. Mabey you have a good solution for my problem
[16:42:33] <rtyler> and hrmpw didn't turn off notifications
[16:42:36] <rtyler> lulz
[16:42:38] <rtyler> hrmpw:
[16:42:42] <rtyler> rats
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[16:43:52] <hrmpw> tags are not possible right now but are being considered
[16:44:04] <hrmpw> would like to hear more about your use case Lars__
[16:44:10] <hrmpw> after JAM would be best
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[16:48:52] <jglick> Creating a project per tag is perhaps not what you want anyway, since normally tags are not deleted, so the subprojects would stick around forever, with only a single build. CC Lars__ hrmpw
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[16:51:08] <Lars__> would it be possible to force jenkins to build a version from each commit
[16:51:26] <Lars__> starting with the oldest commit first
[16:51:45] <Chambooca> hrmpw building from tags is not possible in jenkins?
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[16:53:02] <hrmpw> you can do it manually in your git command
[16:53:17] <hrmpw> but new projects are not created from tags in multibranch
[16:53:41] <Lars__> ok
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[16:56:56] <Dan_S> hello! i have a powershell script that i use, and i want to return its output to the extensible choice parameter plugin via the 'system groovy choice parameter'. how do i call the ps1 and return its output? i've been searching for a working solution, but haven't found anything yet
[16:56:58] <Chambooca> oh. i think i got the requirements of the question wrong.  cause we definitely can kick off builds based off of tags using the git plugin
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[16:59:09] <DavidH> Has the youtube link been posted yet ?
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[16:59:35] <Chambooca> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0suw2NaBFus
[16:59:49] <hrmpw> that’s the one
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[17:00:32] <Chambooca> will there be stuff about pipeline features for those of us using the non paid for stuff?
[17:00:51] <rsandell> hrmpw you are live!
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[17:03:38] <rtyler> Chambooca: this channel is for the Jenkins project only, if you have questions about what CloudBees offers, I recommend contacting them through their website's contact forms
[17:03:57] <Chambooca> 10-4
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[17:10:00] <hrmpw> everything in this demo today is in Jenkins Chambooca
[17:10:07] <Chambooca> awesome
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[17:11:20] <Chambooca> any chance someone was quick enough to get that git hub project url?
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[17:11:36] <Chambooca> for the sample code thats up right now?
[17:11:41] <rtyler> Chambooca: http://github.com/abayer/misc-pipeline something
[17:11:52] <Chambooca> sweet. close enough
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[17:11:55] <rtyler> https://github.com/abayer/misc-pipeline-demos
[17:11:56] <rtyler> there we go
[17:12:03] <Chambooca> thx
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[17:12:10] <rtyler> see also https://jenkins.io/doc/book/pipeline/syntax/
[17:13:03] <hrmpw> here is the specific branch he is showing: https://github.com/abayer/misc-pipeline-demos/blob/feb-15-jam/Jenkinsfile
[17:13:04] <kzantow> @Chambooca... i think it's https://github.com/abayer/misc-pipeline-demos/tree/feb-15-jam
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[17:15:40] <Chambooca> you know how the stuff in the quotes when declaring the stage is what gets used in the stage view?....is there anyway to override what gets shown in the stage view?
[17:16:23] <jimklimov1> thanks for the video link, will it stay up after the live stream ends?
[17:16:31] <Chambooca> *if im supposed to wait for questions, please let me know. sorry if im being annoying
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[17:16:35] <hrmpw> yes, should be semi-permanent
[17:16:40] <hrmpw> feel free to ask
[17:16:41] <DavidH> Will the youtube be avaiable to re-watch again later if we want to review.
[17:16:50] <rtyler> DavidH: yes, it's all recorded
[17:16:52] <rtyler> same link
[17:17:04] <kzantow> @Chambooka - the quoted text in a stage is the name
[17:17:14] <kzantow> should show in stage view and blue ocean
[17:17:51] <kzantow> (and feel free to ask questions any time! we'll queue up any we can't answer here for qa at the end)
[17:18:07] <hrmpw> anyone not presenting can try to answer questions
[17:18:17] <Chambooca> what if you wanted to use a more short-handed stage name in the code but have it display a "friendlier" name  in the stage view
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[17:18:35] <kzantow> not currently a way to do that, pretty sure
[17:18:47] <kzantow> not in declarative, anyway
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[17:18:51] <rtyler> correct, no means of updating it right now
[17:18:51] <rsandell> Chambooca for scripted pipeline you can use a variable
[17:19:08] <rtyler> right
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[17:19:42] <hrmpw> in Declarative right now the syntax checks also checks for duplicate stage names
[17:19:53] <Nitin__> Can I use checkpoint() construct outside of parallel() construct?
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[17:22:12] <Chambooca> is a scripted pipeline still groovy?
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[17:22:30] <kzantow> scripted pipeline is the same as it's always been, Groovy
[17:22:45] <hrmpw> all of it is still groovy
[17:23:01] <hrmpw> you can use script block in steps to write groovy
[17:23:19] <Chambooca> would it be accurate to say declarative just adheres to more standardized formatting?
[17:23:23] <Bherb> How does Declarative Pipeline relate to the other firstly introduced pipeline?
[17:23:25] <hrmpw> yes
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[17:23:39] <hrmpw> it all uses the same execution engine
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[17:23:52] <hrmpw> this is a more restrictive DSL to simplify the syntax
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[17:24:21] <Eric_> Anyone have bobby's link?
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[17:24:39] <rtyler> https://github.com/rsandell/spring-petclinic
[17:24:47] <hrmpw> thanks rtyler
[17:24:57] <Reza> Hello; Any docker-compose support for the Declarative pipeline?
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[17:25:37] <wtrocki> O-JAM - Awesome presentation. I have question about using some custom plugins. How to discover pipeline syntax for various jenkins plugins? How to know if plugin supports Jenkinsfile definitions?
[17:25:38] <abayer> Reza: Not sure what you mean?
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[17:26:14] <Chambooca> what is the advantage of declaring a step inside of a stage? is it just an organizational thing?
[17:26:20] <hrmpw> wtrocki: if you use Pipeline syntax link it will show all “steps” provided by plugins in your Jenkins
[17:26:25] <rtyler> Chambooca: that's the only place you can do it :)
[17:26:54] <Chambooca> what are you missing out on if you dont use steps inside of stages?
[17:27:03] <kzantow> right, organizational thing but enforced by Declarative
[17:27:04] <abayer> Chambooca: and the advantages to using the Declarative syntax are, well, the ones that Patrick covered, but in brief - the restricted syntax allows us to do validation, round-tripping with the editor, etc.
[17:27:12] <rtyler> wtrocki: we have some global generated documentation on jenkins.io fwiw https://jenkins.io/doc/pipeline/steps/
[17:27:20] <Chambooca> gotcha
[17:27:29] <jglick> you do not need the `env.` prefix here
[17:27:33] <rtyler> wtrocki: failing that, the snippet generator in http://JENKINS_HOME/pipeline-syntax has steps provided by plugins in your own jenkins instance
[17:27:51] <hrmpw> Chambooca: the stage won’t really do anything without steps. the reason “steps” exist is to separate the actions in stage from the configuration of the stage.
[17:27:53] <Eric_> thanks @rtyler
[17:27:55] <wtrocki> rtyler, hrmpw - thanks a lot!
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[17:28:10] <Reza> @abayer there are command for docker to build tag and push, I was just wondering are you guys planing to have a same thing for docker-compose up for example?
[17:28:23] <Slide-O-1ix> grrr...npm seems to have issues on windows
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[17:28:34] <rtyler> Slide-O-1ix: that's not terribly surprising :)
[17:28:39] <jglick> No plans for Compose support at the moment Reza, just use `sh 'docker-compose up'` etc.
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[17:28:59] <Slide-O-Mix> rtyler: it makes testing the windows build annoying
[17:29:12] <rtyler> when docs: https://jenkins.io/doc/book/pipeline/syntax/#when
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[17:31:00] <Naktibalda> I've used email-ext with DevelopersRecipientProvider, why did it send email to  noreply at git dot company.com ?
[17:31:15] <Puckel_> global library is available with declarative pipeline ?
[17:31:25] <hrmpw> Puckel_ yes
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[17:32:53] <Dan_S> i have a powershell script that i use, and i want to return its output to the extensible choice parameter plugin via the 'system groovy choice parameter'. how do i call the ps1 and return its output? i've been searching for a working solution, but haven't found anything yet
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[17:33:13] <Bherb> Does blue ocean create an entry for every branch?
[17:33:15] <rtyler> relevant to kzantow's presentation right now https://jenkins.io/blog/2017/02/15/pipeline-editor-preview
[17:33:21] <rtyler> Bherb: that's a Multibranch Pipeline
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[17:34:18] <Bherb> rtyler: I see. Can I filter branches that should be handled?
[17:34:31] <hrmpw> Bherb: yes, in a couple of ways
[17:34:44] <hrmpw> you can specificy a pattern to skip
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[17:35:04] <hrmpw> and it only creates Pipelines for branches and PRs that have a Jenkinsfile
[17:35:14] <hrmpw> without the Jenkinsfile there is no Pipeline created
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[17:35:47] <Chambooca> is the end result of creating a pipeline via a visual editor still pure groovy code that you could use in a non-visual manner?
[17:35:51] <tony_> Hello
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[17:36:08] <hrmpw> Chambooca: keith should show that
[17:36:16] <Bherb> rtyler & hrmpw: thank you, very helpful answer! :)
[17:36:16] <hrmpw> the output is Declarative pipeline
[17:36:24] <abayer> Chambooca: Yes - the editor outputs/generates Declarative syntax, and reads Declarative syntax from the Jenkinsfile.
[17:36:30] <Chambooca> nice
[17:36:46] <tony_> Is there a way to upload a secret file credential to Jenkins via REST API?
[17:36:58] <abayer> We built Declarative with the editor in mind from day one, so we can translate between the Declarative Jenkinsfile syntax and an intermediary JSON format that the editor can handle.
[17:37:20] <Chambooca> btw:  just wanted to thank you guys for this presentation and being so readily available and prompt in this QA IRC
[17:37:27] <abayer> Chambooca: Happy to help!
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[17:38:36] <hrmpw> tony_ not sure about REST but you can via CLI
[17:38:37] <hrmpw> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5V1tDIu8Hs
[17:38:39] <abayer> Worth mentioning that there's a video of a talk I gave on Declarative at FOSDEM a week and a half ago as well - https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/declarative_pipeline/
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[17:38:56] <tony_> hrmpw: CLI is not an option in this case :(
[17:38:57] <hrmpw> stephen demos that around the 45 minute mark tony_
[17:40:14] <rsandell> cli is also available via ssh
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[17:40:52] <rtyler> ONLY USE CLI OVER SSH
[17:41:08] <stephenc> tony_ the REST api has endpoints for uploading a credential
[17:41:22] <stephenc> they are less than obvious to discover
[17:41:41] <rtyler> https://jenkins.io/doc/book/managing/cli/
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[17:43:36] <tony_> stephenc: thanks for giving me hope haha
[17:43:46] <stephenc> tony_ To use the REST interface, you need to make a POST request to the `createCredentials` sub-URL of the credentials domain. For example, for the folder `example-folder` in a Jenkins instance hosted at http://local.example.com/ this would be the URL http://local.example.com/job/example-folder/credentials/store/${storeName}/domain/${domainName}/createCredentials
[17:44:10] <Mark__> O-JAM Last I saw declarative pipeline was in Alpha. Is it now ready for production use?
[17:44:24] <hrmpw> yes, 1.0 release came out last week
[17:44:27] <rtyler> Mark__: it is part of Pipeline 2.5, so yes :)
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[17:44:40] <abayer> Mark__: Yes, though of course, there are damned well certain to be bugs we haven't found yet. =)
[17:44:44] <mkobit> are there any feature requests for having the source branch in change requests for SCM API 2.0 ?
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[17:45:09] <mkobit> like CHANGE_SOURCE (similar to CHANGE_TARGET)
[17:45:14] <tony_> stephenc: I have used this approach to inject credentials when secret file is already in the file system (curl -H "$crumbHeader:$crumb" -X POST --user $USERNAME:$API_KEY https://$DESTINATION_PATH/credentials/store/system/domain/_/createCredentials)
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[17:45:33] <_alex> can you drag and drop to reorder steps?
[17:45:34] <stephenc> tony_ if you want to delete a credential using the REST interface that is a DELETE request to http://local.example.com/job/example-folder/credentials/store/${storeName}/domain/${domainName}/credential/${credentialId}/config.xml
[17:45:50] <tony_> however, I need to upload a file through the same addition
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[17:46:06] <stephenc> tony_ how do you need to upload a file?
[17:46:28] <stephenc> tony_ BTW those two REST endpoints are supported endpoints for the credentials plugins
[17:46:29] <hrmpw> _alex: don’t think so but you could save it as a file and use cut and paste to reorder. the editor can round trip declarative pipeline
[17:46:52] <stephenc> tony_ what you do is include the raw content unencrypted in your XML
[17:47:05] <ahuang> anyone in here bumping versions of artifacts when a build succeeds rather than committing a new version to the config file beforehand using a github org job?
[17:47:19] <_alex> hrmpw hmm, kay. Any idea if that functionality might be added? I'm thinking of what a pain it would be if you wanted to go back and add something mid-stage
[17:47:27] <msr__> Can we use declarative pipelines with the multiple node/agents in the pipeline (e.g., like we use node() to run a block anywhere in the pipelines )
[17:47:42] <tony_> stephenc: yea, so for crdentials plugins it's okay, but I am particularly after kind: "Secret file"
[17:47:57] <stephenc> tony_ Secret file is using SecretBytes
[17:48:13] <tony_> is that how it is called..
[17:48:15] <stephenc> which will assume that non-encrypted text is the Base64 encoded bytes to encrypt
[17:48:16] <hrmpw> _alex: kzantow will know best but if not then file a JIRA ticket for that enhancement
[17:49:00] <tony_> stephenc: I've been searching for this all day
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[17:49:07] <tony_> I managed to add SSH Usernames with Private Keys etc
[17:49:10] <tony_> anything that is raw data
[17:49:16] <tony_> but couldn't find a way to post a file
[17:49:25] <stephenc> https://github.com/jenkinsci/plain-credentials-plugin/blob/master/src/main/java/org/jenkinsci/plugins/plaincredentials/impl/FileCredentialsImpl.java#L80
[17:49:47] <tony_> thanks! perfect pointer
[17:50:07] <ashka> hi, is there currently a tv-mount friendly display for blue ocean ? I'd like to show build status on a tv dashboard, the favorites view on the main dashboard is nice but I need to hide other elements
[17:50:13] <mattL_> O-JAM How to create a matrix job using pipeline? Blue Ocean?
[17:50:34] <hrmpw> that is on the roadmap mattL_
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[17:50:45] <abayer> mattL_: So you can do things in parallel, but full-blown Matrix equivalency in Pipeline is still to come.
[17:50:47] <Eric_> what is round-tripping?
[17:50:55] <Mark__> O-JAM can I mix my current pipeline groovy script with declarative style?
[17:51:13] <rtyler> mattL_: Matrix Jobs are kind of orthogonal to Pipeline, i haven't found a single use-case for Matrix Jobs which wasn't easier to manage in Jenkins Pipeline fwiw
[17:51:14] <stephenc> @tony_ https://github.com/jenkinsci/credentials-plugin/blob/master/src/main/java/com/cloudbees/plugins/credentials/SecretBytes.java#L284 is where it does the fall-back to Base64 simple decoding if it is not encrypted already
[17:51:19] <hrmpw> Eric_ it means you can create a file, edit the file directly, and still open it in the U
[17:51:24] <mattL_> O-JAM thanks - great class, BTW.
[17:51:26] <hrmpw> GUI after that
[17:51:26] <rtyler> mattL_: https://jenkins.io/doc/book/pipeline/jenkinsfile/#using-multiple-agents
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[17:51:33] <rtyler> mattL_: that might be instructive for ya
[17:51:49] <abayer> Mark__:  You can declare functions outside of the pipeline { } block, but they won't round-trip with the editor. And you can use any arbitrary Scripted Pipeline in a script { } block within the steps { } block.
[17:51:50] <mattL_> rtyler: thanks!
[17:51:56] <tony_> stephenc: so would I have to submit the content of file in a json?
[17:52:05] <tony_> or just add it as a -data @file ?
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[17:52:47] <hrmpw> can use script{} block in your post actions as well
[17:52:52] <stephenc> tony_ you need to put your file into the <secretBytes> element after Base64 encoding your file
[17:52:57] <Chambooca> what is the use case for having code/steps outside of the pipeline blocks?
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[17:53:49] <hrmpw> I would say if you don’t have a specific use case for it then it is better not to. :) Chambooca
[17:53:55] <rtyler> Chambooca: don't do that
[17:53:56] <Chambooca> ha ha
[17:53:58] <msr__> with declarative pipelines how do we run a different stage(build, tests etc) on different agents in a pipeline
[17:54:02] <abayer> Mark__: But I'd recommend you not do anything outside of the pipeline { } block, since we'll have a better answer for things like function declaration and loading from shared libraries soon.
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[17:54:19] <abayer> msr__: Just specify a different agent { } for each stage you want to run somewhere else.
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[17:54:25] <rtyler> it's a loophole (IMHO) in Declarative that won't round-trip in the editor, which means it's likely going to be a big pain in the arse if you use it
[17:54:35] <msr__> thanks abayer
[17:54:40] <rtyler> Chambooca: bitwiseman has a blog post coming today which shows off the Declarative Pipeline and Shared Libraries integration
[17:54:53] <Chambooca> nice
[17:55:03] <rtyler> plz to subscribe to jenkins.io's rss or @jenkinsci :D
[17:55:08] <Mark__> abayer so shared libraries are not supported yet?
[17:55:18] <rtyler> they definitely are
[17:55:21] <rtyler> we're usin' them :D
[17:55:41] <abayer> Mark__: So if you're using the global library (i.e., https://jenkins/workflowLibs.git), that works with no changes needed.
[17:55:47] <tony_> stephenc: is there an example of xml format that it createCredentials would accept?
[17:56:02] <tony_> stephenc: so far I've been using json examples which I found on stackoverflow
[17:56:16] <stephenc> tony_: you can grab that by creating a credential manually and then inspect the credentials.xml
[17:56:40] <rtyler> Mark__: relevant to your interests https://jenkins.io/doc/book/pipeline/shared-libraries/
[17:56:43] <abayer> Mark__: If you're loading shared libraries using the @Library annotation, you can keep doing that for now *but* it again won't round-trip with the editor. We'll be adding a libraries { } directive for that Real Soon Now.
[17:56:44] <tony_> stephenc: ohhhhhhhhh :) okay, makes sense
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[17:58:02] <Chambooca> what is the gain in declaring a post-step instead of just considering the final stage?
[17:58:03] <Bherb> Unrelated to the jam: is there a way to hide the "Jenkins version" in the footer (for unauthenticated) users?
[17:58:08] <tony_> stephenc: /credentials/store/system/domain/_/credential/secret-file/credentials.xml ?
[17:58:24] <rtyler> will somebody ask kzantow when the editor is 1.0 :D
[17:58:29] <stephenc> tony_         <org.jenkinsci.plugins.plaincredentials.impl.FileCredentialsImpl plugin="plain-credentials at 1 dot 4-SNAPSHOT">
[17:58:32] <stephenc>           <scope>GLOBAL</scope>
[17:58:34] <stephenc>           <id>as</id>
[17:58:37] <stephenc>           <description></description>
[17:58:39] <stephenc>           <fileName>logging-results.txt</fileName>
[17:58:42] <stephenc>           <secretBytes>...</secretBytes>
[17:58:44] <stephenc>         </org.jenkinsci.plugins.plaincredentials.impl.FileCredentialsImpl>
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[17:58:59] <tony_> now I'm interested how to find credentials.xml :P
[17:59:01] <tony_> thanks stephenc
[17:59:06] <stephenc> tony_: replace the <secretBytes>...</secretBytes> with <secretBytes> the Base64 of your file and then </secretBytes>
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[17:59:28] <stephenc> tony_: so if you file is echo "hello world" > file.txt
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[18:00:03] <stephenc> tony_: that would be <secretBytes>aGVsbG8gd29ybGQK</secretBytes>
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[18:00:15] <rsandell> Chambooca: with post you can more easy declare your conditions for what steps to run e.g. on success, failure, unstable, aborted etc.
[18:00:22] <stephenc> tony_: then when Jenkins saves it, the content will be encrypted
[18:00:40] <KostyaSha> stephenc, you are using IRC! magic
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[18:01:13] <abayer> Chambooca: Plus, if a stage fails, any subsequent stages won't be executed, so if you want to do cleanup/send notifications/etc after a failed stage, you want to use post either on that stage or for the whole build.
[18:01:26] <stephenc> KostyaSha: I have IRC and I have a bot permanently on IRC... that does not mean I pay attention to IRC
[18:01:38] <KostyaSha> stephenc, join gitter!
[18:01:47] <Chambooca> ooooh. so you can have multiple poststages ?
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[18:02:04] <stephenc> KostyaSha: no. irssi is the only irc client
[18:02:06] <abayer> Chambooca: post can be either on an individual stage or on the whole build, yes.
[18:02:12] <Chambooca> wow
[18:02:49] <KostyaSha> stephenc, client where you honestly can say that you lost private tab
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[18:03:17] <stephenc> KostyaSha with znc in front I don't have that problem
[18:03:19] <rtyler> alyssat_: based on last time we did this, I expect the recording should be processed by YouTube in an hour or so
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[18:04:12] <alyssat_> rtyler: cool. thnx
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[18:05:41] <rtyler> alyssat_: I'll check it in 60-90 minutes and ping you when it's fully processed
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[18:06:14] <alyssat_> sounds good
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[18:10:57] <hrmpw> _alex: in case you missed it kzantow mentioned drag and drop stages in his slides
[18:11:16] <_alex> hrmpw I saw, thank you!
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[18:18:34] <tony_> stephenc: so after encrypting in Base64 its like a string of 8 chars?
[18:18:48] <tony_> stephenc: am I encrypting it incorrectly or it is supposed to be so short? :D
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[18:18:55] <stephenc> tony_ depends on the length of your file
[18:19:05] <tony_> it's an ssh private key
[18:19:06] <stephenc> how long is the file you want to encrypt
[18:19:42] <stephenc> tony_: if you are doing that right then it probably will be over 2000 characters
[18:19:49] <stephenc> $ base64 < ~/.ssh/id_rsa
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[18:20:11] <stephenc> tony_: $ base64 < ~/.ssh/id_rsa | wc -c
[18:20:16] <stephenc>     2237
[18:20:20] <KostyaSha> stephenc, znc?
[18:20:26] <stephenc> tony: at least that is what I get
[18:20:28] <KostyaSha> zsh?
[18:20:54] <stephenc> @KostyaSha http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
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[18:22:34] <KostyaSha> stephenc, bnc, znc... afair CB has payed irccloud
[18:22:53] <KostyaSha> but! join gitter :P
[18:23:03] <stephenc> @KostyaSha: I have a personal server for my personal stuff... in that server I run a docker container running ZNC
[18:23:19] <stephenc> I am not joining yet another website that I would have to keep open
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[18:23:29] <KostyaSha> danielbeck, i tired searching jnlpMac secret, afair you only was against showing it always in UI
[18:24:01] <danielbeck> KostyaSha I don't know what this is about
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[18:24:22] <tony_> stephenc: yeah I get the count same but when I echo | base64 I get only like 8 chars for some reason
[18:24:57] <KostyaSha> danielbeck,  i want kill this case https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/blob/master/core/src/main/resources/hudson/slaves/JNLPLauncher/main.jelly#L49
[18:25:13] <KostyaSha> stephenc, ?
[18:25:26] <KostyaSha> jnlpMac exists always
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[18:26:02] <danielbeck> Why do you need the jnlpMac when you can connect anonymously?
[18:26:03] <KostyaSha> i'm admin and don't see it because this check against anonymous
[18:26:25] <danielbeck> KostyaSha what about https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/blob/master/core/src/main/resources/hudson/slaves/JNLPLauncher/main.jelly#L69 ?
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[18:26:54] <danielbeck> Do I misunderstand how that view works?
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[18:27:48] <KostyaSha> danielbeck, because i can't connect anonymosly and i don't want connect without specifying mac, ACL could be disabled temporary
[18:28:21] <KostyaSha> so even if anonymous can connect, i'm admin and i can't see jnlpMac for slave anywhere
[18:28:37] <KostyaSha> except groovy
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[18:29:59] <KostyaSha> stephenc, i had 2 IRC servers for 300 users ;) unrealircd /o/
[18:30:43] <stephenc> KostyaSha: does it look like I care. I am happy with my setup. It works *for me*. You will not convince me to use gitter
[18:31:11] <danielbeck> KostyaSha The problem I can see is that anyone who scrapes that page while there's no security set up can have the secret, so just always showing it, or showing it to users with admin even if anon can connect, isn't good enough. This isn't quite that straightforward.
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[18:31:41] <danielbeck> as the secret will be valid even after changing permissions around
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[18:31:53] <stephenc> KostyaSha: I agree with danielbeck on this point.
[18:31:56] <KostyaSha> without security anybody can extract it with groovy also
[18:32:25] <stephenc> KostyaSha: there is a difference between scraping with GET and scraping with POST
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[18:33:12] <KostyaSha> no difference
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[18:34:46] <KostyaSha> admin can't see stuff without additional actions, it not security
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[18:40:48] <rtyler> alyssat_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0suw2NaBFus#t=50s
[18:41:26] <KostyaSha> disliked ;)
[18:41:49] <alyssat_> rtyler: thank you. i'll communicate on meetup page
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[19:41:12] <iphands> Is there a way to use a Jenkins pipeline, and define and SCM with credentials even if the Jenkinsfile is not managed in the SCM?
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[19:42:04] <iphands> If I define the pipeline script in the config.xml where do I define the git URL and credentials to use?
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[19:42:37] <iphands> The UI seems to not let you define git URL and creds if using the "Definition:Pipeline script" mode
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[19:46:14] <hrmpw> iphands sounds like you want to wrap the scm commands in your pipeline in withCredentials{} block
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[19:46:26] <hrmpw> that is part of credentials binding plugin
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[19:47:32] <hrmpw> https://www.cloudbees.com/blog/workflow-integration-credentials-binding-plugin
[19:47:56] <iphands> hrmpw, nah if I kick the build manually I can clone just fine, and the pipeline runs
[19:48:18] <iphands> hrmpw, the Git Polling Log is having trouble running git ls-remote
[19:48:41] <iphands> Im not 100% sure how it even knows the git URL
[19:49:07] <iphands> Maybe it was left over from when I had the Jenkins file in SCM plugin configured
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[19:49:34] <iphands> or it somehow derives it from the com.coravy.hudson.plugins.github.GithubProjectProperty projectUrl
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[19:51:43] <iphands> hrmpw, I am trying hard to setup the pipeline to work with a private GitHub repo + an internal Jenkins master (not reachable by github) + a Jenkinsfile in a separate git repo
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[19:53:04] <iphands> hrmpw, I currently have the Jenkinsfile in another repo, and just POST it up to the job_url/config.xml after including it in my Git managed config.xml template
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[19:54:40] <hrmpw> not sure, I haven’t edited config.xml directly. You can put the git credentials directly in the git command inside the Pipeline but I’m not sure about what other things are going on
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[20:00:58] <iphands> hrmpw, wait, I might have found the answer... I think I needed a multibranch pipeline, not just a pipeline
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[20:09:11] <iphands> ls
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[20:16:51] <autojack> danielbeck: btw thanks for helping me out with the log fire yesterday
[20:16:56] <autojack> that was unpleasant.
[20:17:12] <danielbeck> autojack you're welcome
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[20:27:01] <jesterOrb> Has anyone run into the Automatic signing issue with Xcode 8+?
[20:27:06] <jesterOrb> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39500634/use-xcodebuild-xcode-8-and-automatic-signing-in-ci-travis-jenkins-environmen
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[20:27:40] <jesterOrb> I think that is what I am running into... wondering if anyone has run into it and able to solve it with a configuration change
[20:28:01] <selena_091> hi. I recently upgraded our Jenkins to 2.32.2 , and now pipeline scm is acting very weird..basically i can clone from SCM directly but using pipeline SCM syntax..its failing on 19:17:23 ERROR: Error fetching remote repo 'origin'
[20:28:56] <selena_091> I have all the attributes set correctly in the pipeline SCM for credentialsID repoURL etc etc...but it still throwing me ERROR: Error fetching remote repo 'origin' .
[20:29:29] <selena_091> does pipeline SCM use same SCM libraries as the generic jenkins SCM.?
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[20:30:13] <selena_091> 19:17:23 ERROR: Error fetching remote repo 'origin' 19:17:23 hudson.plugins.git.GitException: Failed to fetch from <<<<REPO_URL>>>> 19:17:23 	at hudson.plugins.git.GitSCM.fetchFrom(GitSCM.java:806) 19:17:23 	at hudson.plugins.git.GitSCM.retrieveChanges(GitSCM.java:1066) 19:17:23 	at hudson.plugins.git.GitSCM.checkout(GitSCM.java:1097) 19:17:23 	at org.jenkinsci.plugins.workflow.steps.scm.SCMStep.checkout(SCMStep.java:109) 19:17
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[20:36:50] <chief7> Tried setting up pipeline script from TFVC but after save it reverts to blank GIT configuration. Also setup TFS Plugin and confirmed connection. Using Jenkins 2.32.2.
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[20:42:06] <jesterOrb> figured my issue out =)
[20:42:10] <jesterOrb> woot
[20:42:47] <selena_091> chief7: are you facing the same issue too? pipeline scm is not working??
[20:42:53] <selena_091> on jenkins 2.32.2
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[20:44:25] <chief7> selena_091: I don't actually get an error, the configuration just resets to a blank GIT configuration on save.  But I am using 2.32.2 and this is related to pipeline script from SCM.
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[20:46:02] <chief7> selena_091: here is an open issue that matches my problem - https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-39949
[20:46:04] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-39949:Pipeline script from SCM not working for TFS (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-39949
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[21:04:37] <_alex> Anyone know of a guide to using pathing in a CopyArtifacts step? I have to save the artifacts several folders down due to how the job runs but then can't find them when copying.
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[21:05:08] <selena_091> found the issue...my credentials ID was not correct ..:(
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[21:07:04] <brig-man> Quick question:  is the stash function designed to stash a full git repo?
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[21:14:57] <rtyler> stephend: I remember seeing a declarative pipeline from mozilla that was in development a couple weeks ago, it wasnt the soccoro one
[21:15:00] <rtyler> I cannot find it
[21:15:50] <stephend> rtyler: https://github.com/mozilla-services/go-bouncer/blob/75e680386bbb6961e942d021deedff09fb50d2f2/tests/e2e/Jenkinsfile
[21:15:58] <stephend> and it will soon also use our new shared library
[21:16:14] <rtyler> that's exactly what I was trying to find, thanks
[21:16:16] <stephend> https://github.com/mozilla/fxtest-jenkins-pipeline
[21:16:17] <stephend> np!
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[21:34:21] <n3rdly> Would anyone be able to assist me with an issue I'm having getting dates to appear correctly again. Our jenkins boxes were upgraded and trying to apply the fix from 24380 throws errors.
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[21:36:25] <tang^> JENKINS-24380
[21:36:27] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-24380:Use build numbers as IDs (Resolved) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-24380
[21:36:52] <tang^> n3rdly: that one?
[21:37:02] <n3rdly> yeah thats the one
[21:37:33] <n3rdly> one sec ill get the link to the steps I followed
[21:38:45] <n3rdly> https://support.cloudbees.com/hc/en-us/articles/218434707-Job-builds-timestamps-have-changed-to-DEC-31-1969 was following along with this
[21:39:14] <n3rdly> but as soon as i try to run the command from the un-migration instructions it errors out
[21:39:32] <n3rdly> sometimes saying it can't rename stuff other times that a config.xml is missing
[21:39:53] <n3rdly> I've moved out old projects that our dev's no longer need but it's a slow process of back and forth.
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[21:40:06] <tang^> hmm, I'm not familiar with that at all
[21:40:13] <n3rdly> :'(
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[21:40:52] <n3rdly> I'm fairly new to Jenkins as well so it's kind of a cat and mouse game for me atm to figure out how to resolve it.
[21:40:52] <tang^> there are some cloudbees folks here who are more likely to be. you'd need patience, though
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[21:42:33] <danielbeck> n3rdly do you have recent, good backups? If so, restore.
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[21:43:41] <n3rdly> danielbeck that's what I was thinking of doing as well
[21:44:30] <danielbeck> it's been a while since I've looked at that -- 2 years give or take -- but there were a few issues, I think related with custom build locations etc. as well
[21:44:43] <danielbeck> wasn't that new in 1.597 or so?
[21:45:04] <danielbeck> right, the CB page says 1.597
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[21:45:25] <danielbeck> n3rdly also, note that all your future BUILD_ID env vars will now be numbers rather than timestamps
[21:45:35] <danielbeck> that tripped a lot of users up who expected the old format
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[21:46:17] <n3rdly> what's the easiest way to restore from backup though?
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[21:50:55] <n3rdly> danielbeck we weren't using thinbackup or anything like that sadly. At best we may have some bacula backups
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[22:29:12] <bitwiseman> jglick: is there a way to tell a shared library to load from a folder other than root inside a repo?
[22:29:36] <jglick> bitwiseman: no
[22:29:53] <jglick> (and no plans to support that either)
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[22:31:41] <bitwiseman> jglick: I'll see if I can change your mind on that.  :)  JIRA soon.
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[22:33:19] <bitwiseman> jglick: out of curiosity, would it be an hard/messy to add it?
[22:33:51] <jglick> bitwiseman: bad for performance, the lib must be a small checkout since we do it for every build
[22:35:13] <bitwiseman> jglick: ah, sure, but I'm not talking about large repos, just the aspect of loading from a subdirectory.
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[22:35:30] <jglick> bitwiseman: so what is your goal then?
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[22:38:24] <bitwiseman> jglick: just go with me for a second.  You currently always load from repo root directory, how hard would  it be to allow a library to be loaded from a subdirectory instead?
[22:39:01] <jglick> Probably easy.
[22:39:24] <jglick> (I mean, along with the hundreds of probably more important easy things.)
[22:40:23] <bitwiseman> jglick: sure.   I have an idea about how to solve the method definition JIRA.
[22:42:09] <jglick> bitwiseman: JENKINS-41396?!
[22:42:11] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-41396:Declarative: Add method definition section to root pipeline block (Reopened) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-41396
[22:42:52] <jglick> bitwiseman: what on earth does subdirs in external libraries have to do with that?
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[22:45:35] <bitwiseman> jglick: because the don't have to be "external".   A Library could just as well loaded from the local repository, but it would need to be loaded from a subdir instead of root to be safe and not muddy the root dir.
[22:48:05] <jglick> bitwiseman: no this makes no sense
[22:48:13] <jglick> totally different system
[22:48:18] <jglick> just use `loadFile`
[22:48:42] <jglick> or `evaluate`
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[22:51:31] <bitwiseman> In declarative?
[22:52:25] <jglick> bitwiseman: inside `pipeline-model-definition`
[22:53:15] <jglick> Stop thinking about `workflow-cps-global-lib`, you are barking up the wrong tree there.
[22:53:16] <bitwiseman> `pipeline-model-definition` = Declarative Pipeline, right?
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[22:54:56] <jglick> bitwiseman: yes
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[22:57:08] <bitwiseman> jglick: okay, well, I'll finish filling out the JIRA.  Seemed like a pretty cool idea to me.  Basically reusing the existing functionality to solve a swath of requests all at once.
[22:58:00] <jglick> bitwiseman: libraries are for sharing, pointless to use it within the same repo
[22:58:06] <jglick> buys you nothing
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[23:00:31] <bitwiseman> jglick: From a user perspective, I feel like it buys me almost exactly what I was talking about in JENKINS-41396.
[23:00:32] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-41396:Declarative: Add method definition section to root pipeline block (Reopened) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-41396
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[23:04:45] <bitwiseman> Combine with an option on  LibraryStep to load from local repo.   As a user, I get the concept of a library and the structure and behavior of library is defined and documented.
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[23:07:30] <dogarrhea> so i'm still not sure what this syntax is doing... System.setProperty("hudson.model.DirectoryBrowserSupport.CSP", "sandbox; default-src 'self';")
[23:07:31] <jglick> bitwiseman: total overkill. `pipeline-model-definition` can easily add such a feature using `readTrusted`. It need not and should not use `workflow-cps-global-lib`.
[23:08:02] <dogarrhea> sandbox is apparently on directive.  default-src is another directive.
[23:08:38] <dogarrhea> The only values that sandbox is allowed to have is allow-forms allow-scripts
[23:08:46] <dogarrhea> what is it getting set to?
[23:09:57] <dogarrhea> i guess jenkins can't serve static html. broken.
[23:11:00] <bitwiseman> jglick: I guess this is another case of me knowing just enough to get things all wrong.  :|
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[23:15:45] <jglick> bitwiseman: the raison d’être of `workflow-cps-global-lib` was to avoid issues with the original idiom of grabbing a separate `node` to `checkout` stuff and then `loadFile` it before exiting the block and resuming. But if you have stuff in the same repo you can simply `evaluate` the `readTrusted`. Or even more simply if it is already inside `Jenkinsfile`
[23:15:45] <jglick> anyway, just call it without further ado.
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[23:18:34] <rtyler> jglick: so I'm understanding correctly, does readTrusted already work in declarative?
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[23:21:22] <Klindel> hey everyone, quick question, it seems that when doing a multi-branch pipeline every time I declare node() it seems to auto clone the scm to the branch it's building for.  Is there anyway to control this?  I want to be able to say HEAD = X, that way the changelog is correct.  However, this auto clone breaks that
[23:22:16] <danielbeck> dogarrhea https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Configuring+Content+Security+Policy has an explanation
[23:24:17] <dogarrhea> it looks like sandbox is getting set to nothing in the above example
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[23:25:28] <autojack> hrm. I'm trying to use the Jenkins CLI jar, but when I try to just run the 'help' command against my Jenkins, it dies with an NPE at hudson.cli.FullDuplexHttpStream$CrumbData.getData(FullDuplexHttpStream.java:119)
[23:25:33] <autojack> https://gist.github.com/omehegan/bf6fdc670fc934aa89c4d3d16226e101
[23:25:50] <dogarrhea> "sandbox; default-src 'self';"  what is sandbox being set to?
[23:25:56] <autojack> Google turns up exactly one person with this problem, asking for help on IRC in 2014 but he didn't get an answer :)
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[23:25:57] <jglick> rtyler: it should
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[23:26:30] <dogarrhea> i see deafault-src being set to 'self' but not sandbox. it's set to nothing
[23:26:41] <dogarrhea> are the docs wrong / incomplete?
[23:27:27] <jc_> just curious if anyone has an example of jenkinsfile that successfully builds a go project. i have installed the go plugin and configured the tool globally but still get "go not found"
[23:27:27] <dogarrhea> ok it's setting it to empty
[23:27:36] <rtyler> hrmpw: is the preferred middle ground between declarative pipeline and putting stuff into shared libraries going to be "use readTrusted" then?
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[23:28:22] <hrmpw> ?? rtyler
[23:28:42] <rtyler> heh, I feel like you've missed a fair bit of discussion here hrmpw
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[23:28:53] <hrmpw> I feel that too
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[23:30:16] <KostyaSha> danielbeck, https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Auto-discovering+Jenkins+on+the+network wasn't it reverted by jglick ?
[23:30:20] <hrmpw> I think readTrusted works if you want to put libraries into your current repo rtyler
[23:30:42] <danielbeck> KostyaSha right, that last part isn't correct
[23:30:42] <KostyaSha> discovery shit based on ancient guava tlds
[23:30:42] <hrmpw> but I actually agree with bitwiseman and think JENKINS-41396 is a good step
[23:30:44] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-41396:Declarative: Add method definition section to root pipeline block (Reopened) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-41396
[23:30:54] <KostyaSha> danielbeck, could you update? or i can simply delete
[23:31:10] <KostyaSha> danielbeck, btw was it jar or plugin? can people still install it?
[23:31:21] <hrmpw> you can already do what bitwiseman says by putting your functions outside of the pipeline block
[23:31:21] <danielbeck> KostyaSha I'll doublecheck and remove if confirmed
[23:31:26] <danielbeck> KostyaSha that was a lib, so jar
[23:31:34] <hrmpw> this just lets you move it inside the pipeline block
[23:31:40] <KostyaSha> danielbeck, maybe better make it as plugin?
[23:31:55] <danielbeck> KostyaSha the idea was to be there by default, so that'd only solve half the problem
[23:31:57] <bitwiseman> hrmpw: tht functions outside the pipeline block is what I'd like to not do anymore.
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[23:32:04] <rtyler> hrmpw: I want to make sure that we're documenting approaches which are guaranteed to work within the Pipeline Visual Editor, and will be supported by Pipeline moving foprward
[23:32:07] <danielbeck> KostyaSha IIRC, would need to look up discussion
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[23:32:33] <KostyaSha> danielbeck, in my case parts of jenkinses could be in different domains, so i don't expect it to work correct
[23:32:40] <bitwiseman> hrmpw: so, JENKINS-41396  would be cool, but as I was thinking about it.
[23:32:41] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-41396:Declarative: Add method definition section to root pipeline block (Reopened) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-41396
[23:32:48] <hrmpw> I think I’m agreeing with you rtyler
[23:33:09] <bitwiseman> I  could see technical difficulties.
[23:33:30] <bitwiseman> which abayer described to me.
[23:33:43] <bitwiseman> Further there's related issues
[23:34:07] <bitwiseman> like JENKINS-41335
[23:34:08] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-41335:Allow variables and functions to be defined within pipeline to be used in any stage (Open) https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-41335
[23:34:19] <bitwiseman> And people are saying those are hard to solve.
[23:34:29] <dogarrhea> Changes to the system property will be effective immediately, so it's possible to set this system property temporarily via the Jenkins Script Console, allowing you to experiment with different values: so this isn't going to cause anythign to break right?
[23:34:33] <danielbeck> KostyaSha https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/commit/9f475452eb4ad97e960157211cadd402ec6e5e30 reverted it before it made it into 1.651
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[23:34:58] <bitwiseman> the only reason they are hard to solve is we're trying to them in the Jenkinsfile and inside the pipeline section.
[23:35:05] <KostyaSha> danielbeck, yes i can provide link, but you found
[23:35:06] <dogarrhea> i can just run System.hahaCrazyGoNuts.letsplayaroundabit() and nothing will happen?
[23:35:19] <danielbeck> KostyaSha wiki page is being submitted lol
[23:35:22] <danielbeck> :'(
[23:35:37] <danielbeck> KostyaSha fixed. thanks!
[23:35:54] <bitwiseman> hrmpw All these things are already handled correctly in shared libraries (or if not they should be bugged and fixed).
[23:36:10] <Klindel> is there anyway to make it so that node() within a multi-branch pipeline doesn't auto clone the repo you're working on?
[23:36:13] <KostyaSha> danielbeck, just were thinking what to do with sh.. in logs from jmdns and remind this
[23:36:47] <bitwiseman> hrmpw: which got me thinking, instead of adding "method" to pipeline, using a "local" library would in some ways be even better.
[23:37:50] <hrmpw> Kindel: node won’t clone it unless you do “checkout sam"
[23:37:55] <hrmpw> scm not sam
[23:38:37] <rtyler> bitwiseman: "local" library I'm kind of meh on personally, I like the method block concept because everything would end up in one file
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[23:38:43] <hrmpw> bitwiseman: we talked about having a local library a long time ago
[23:38:45] <rtyler> and the "pain" of not using a shared library would show up sooner
[23:39:04] <hrmpw> at first I thought it would be great but then thought it might be hard to manage
[23:39:17] <rtyler> I'm sure abayer could add a cute little hack to say after 80 lines, we put a console output warning that says " Hey, maybe you should use shared libraries you silly goose"
[23:39:32] <hrmpw> then again if we build in “library” step in declarative like we plan we could build some sugar around readtrusted and a local file there
[23:39:42] <bitwiseman> rtyler: but should they really be using a shared library?
[23:40:15] <bitwiseman> Do we have to push them that way?
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[23:41:52] <Klindel> hrmpw: I'll double check my code then, I only see two checkout's using gitscm, one is to a specific hash, where a third clone is occurring that clones to ToT
[23:42:29] <rtyler> bitwiseman: i think it should be encouraged
[23:42:45] <Klindel> I'll keep looking, I must've just overlooked a single line somewhere
[23:42:48] <rtyler> in the blog post your wrote as an example, anybody implementing something like that is definitely not going to have just a single Pipeline :P
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[23:43:15] <hrmpw> shared libraries are a good best practice I think but for quick hit, one off helper functions they can seem heavy
[23:43:37] * rtyler nods
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[23:44:11] <rtyler> I assume that if somebody has exceeded a certain number of helper methods, or exceeded a certain length, they should be encouraged to either use shared libraries or consider just scripted pipeline
[23:44:29] <bitwiseman> hrmpw: they only seem heavy because they currently have to be a whole separate repo.
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[23:45:03] <rtyler> bitwiseman: I think we're crossing streams here
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[23:46:02] <hrmpw> I’m a little wary of C# style “code-behind” pages for libaries
[23:46:16] <rtyler> there are two use-cases we're kind of talking around. 1) middle-ground between declarative and a library 2) making libraries more easily created
[23:46:17] <hrmpw> but that’ because I had to write C# in the first place
[23:46:20] <rtyler> (I think)
[23:46:29] * rtyler puts a warm blanket around hrmpw
[23:46:36] <rtyler> ASP.NET can't hurt you anymore
[23:46:46] <bitwiseman> :D
[23:47:12] <bitwiseman> rtyler - "encouraged to ...  consider just scripted pipeline" - I disagree.
[23:47:28] <hrmpw> I think we all agree on that rtyler
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[23:49:29] <bitwiseman> I think there are fewer cases where people should be pushed to scripted than we are currently thinking.
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[23:49:56] <rtyler> that may be true, but I also don't think we should turn declarative into scripted :P
[23:50:34] <bitwiseman> rtyler: agreed.  Declarative should not be made into scripted.
[23:50:45] <rtyler> hrmpw: it might be interesting for you to pick stephend and davehunt's brains about their Jenkinsfile complexity and the perceived boundaries between shared libraries and jenkinsfiles
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[23:51:10] <rtyler> I reviewed a few Jenkinsfiles from mozilla this morning
[23:51:17] <rtyler> many varying levels of complexity in thar
[23:51:21] <hrmpw> I saw one of them
[23:51:30] <hrmpw> had several things before “pipeline"
[23:52:18] <hrmpw> some of that might also be solved by the readProperties stuff that rsandell is working on too
[23:52:21] <rtyler> bitwiseman: fwiw I like the local library concept a lot, and think it actually maps to use-cases that Mozilla and other organizations with large repos/projects
[23:52:32] <rtyler> but I want a methods directive much more right now
[23:52:42] <Klindel> oh, I see my issue, is there a way invoke the build from groovy script via the "build" command to a specific commit hash?
[23:53:07] <hrmpw> the “build” command launches a separate job in Jenkins
[23:53:35] <Klindel> ya, I want to be able to tell that job to clone to a specific hash, instead of whatever the current ToT is
[23:53:47] <hrmpw> if you create a parameter in your pipeline for commit hash and pass that in via build command or otherwise you can use that hash in your pipeline
[23:53:48] <bitwiseman> rtyler: directive vs local libary - I think we need abayer's opinion, but the local library might be easier to implement.
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[23:54:35] <rtyler> bitwiseman: the downside to a local library for that middle ground though is there would be this additional directory structure and hierarchy needed, for what I believe would just be a one-off helper method in most cases
[23:54:37] <bitwiseman> rtyler: and because local library would reuse the library code it would probably be more dependable.
[23:54:58] <bitwiseman> rtyler: fair point.
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[23:56:21] <Klindel> hrmpw: I already do that, however in a multi branch pipeline, the first thing it does is clone, which generates a change log.  I either need a way to specific the hash to do the initial clone to or disable the initial clone from generating a change log
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[23:57:19] <hrmpw> andrew and jesse know better but there is a difference in how shared libraries are loaded into pipeline versus readTrusted
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[23:59:50] <bitwiseman> rtyler: hrmpw: okay, I'm cool with either.  I just thought the local library might be an expedient solution to several requests. (shrug) I'll finish the JIRA ticket, capture some of this discussion, and move on.

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