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[00:38:49] <jbk> https://github.com/rust-lang/libc/pull/1792 if anyone is interested
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[01:11:39] <LeftWing> jbk: Huh! I was literally just looking at this for nix haha
[01:11:49] <jbk> heh you're lookin at nix too :)
[01:12:17] <jbk> should i ask why you were looking at nix? :)
[01:12:26] <jbk> (I'd laugh it's due to the same program :P)
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[01:13:18] <LeftWing> jbk: https://github.com/jclulow/rust-libc/blob/illumos_fixes/src/unix/solarish/mod.rs#L1920-L1978
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[01:27:56] <LeftWing> jbk: I was trying to build "skim", which I think is a bit like fzf
[01:28:21] <jbk> ahh...
[01:29:32] <rmustacc> jbk: Comparing the bits between you and Josh there does seem to be some differences.
[01:29:56] <rmustacc> At least the x86 vs. SPARC alignment bits.
[01:30:08] <jbk> i didn't think we were supporting a sparc target
[01:30:17] <rmustacc> It does, I believe.
[01:30:41] <rmustacc> And certainly if we want to ever use rust in illumos we'll want a SPARC target!
[01:31:04] <jbk> yeah, but i suspect there's a lot of work left to do for that
[01:31:21] <rmustacc> Dunno, just was comparing the two implementations and being a bad manual diff.
[01:31:46] <LeftWing> I would include the SPARC bits because it'll be a shaft for the person later who has to find out
[01:32:35] <LeftWing> If we're going to write things we expect to be used to build the gate in Rust (which seems very reasonable) we should keep SPARC support on the radar where we can to make that easier
[01:32:59] <LeftWing> The Rust CI stuff does at least build SPARC bits today, I believe, for the "solaris" target. It should likely not be that bad to get it to work for the illumos target.
[01:44:51] <LeftWing> jbk: Are you going to fix up the rest of the "nix" issues?
[01:47:04] <jbk> i have some fixes, but not nearly all of them
[01:47:54] <jbk> i figure the openpty() etc bits probably deserve their own commit
[01:48:01] <jbk> (and i haven't done those)
[01:49:27] <LeftWing> Presumably those can go into libc as compat functions like cfmakeraw() and friends
[01:49:56] <jbk> yeah
[01:50:01] <jbk> just a matter of writing them
[01:50:19] <LeftWing> openpty() and forkpty() I think both -- should probably mention the bug, too, https://www.illumos.org/issues/5386
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[01:59:03] <LeftWing> jbk: My question is mostly... should I look at the pty bits maybe
[01:59:12] <LeftWing> Get that working
[01:59:20] <LeftWing> You can pursue the CMSG stuff
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[02:11:05] <jbk> go for it, i haven't touched them
[02:20:20] <LeftWing> I have a PDF of Stevens at the ready haha
[02:21:02] <jbk> heh
[02:21:06] <jbk> mine is still in storage
[02:21:17] <jbk> (hardcover)
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[03:00:33] <jbk> good luck and godspeed :P
[03:12:51] <jbk> LeftWing: https://github.com/jasonbking/nix/tree/illumos that's what i have so far for nix (still rough)
[03:14:12] <jbk> i was trying to get the other non-libc issues resolved
[03:14:54] <jbk> but still quite a few left
[03:18:15] <jbk> (I'd like to play with tikv on illumos :P)
[03:23:03] <LeftWing> Is nix the only thing in the way there?
[03:23:18] <jbk> don't know..
[03:23:46] <jbk> a number of dependencies use nix as well
[03:23:55] <jbk> so it's not really even getting to the tikv code yet
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[07:39:10] <tsoome> alanc are there known issues updating system with local zones to SRU21? The release notes did not seem to hint any:/
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[12:43:02] <tsoome> anyone wants to look on https://code.illumos.org/c/illumos-gate/+/721 ?:)
[12:43:54] <tsoome> not a big one but prep for followups:)
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[15:31:18] <ryoshu> what is id_space(9f)
[15:31:35] <ryoshu> can it be used to create something like pid_t namespace?
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[15:54:22] <rmustacc> Yes, you could use it for something like that. In the current implementation the id_space() is really derived from the vmem_t which came as part of the kernel memory allocator.
[15:54:34] <rmustacc> The vmem_t represents the ability to allocate and manage ranges of addresses.
[15:54:49] <rmustacc> The id_space_t then compressed that into managing single values.
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[18:36:20] <ryoshu> 'can't boot zone from within chroot environment' http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/uts/common/os/zone.c#4421
[18:36:23] <ryoshu> rationale?
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[18:41:14] <tsoome> ryoshu chroot will not provide any additional value for zone.
[18:41:39] <ryoshu> ok, but why to reject it with ENOTSUP?
[18:41:45] <ryoshu> is there a good reason for it?
[18:41:52] <ryoshu> or just simplification?
[18:42:10] <tsoome> avoiding additional complexity is my guess, yep.
[18:42:43] <tsoome> (without checking the actual code there:D)
[18:45:03] <ryoshu> what is libfakekernel?
[18:46:53] <toastersonerson> ryoshu (IRC): a userland fakekernel mostly for testing things
[18:47:14] <ryoshu> does it run kernel code in userland as process?
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[18:50:26] <tsoome> yep, well, it does allow to test modules as userland processes
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[18:57:54] <toastersonerson> tsoome (IRC): is there a writeup of that? It would be fun to test out rust based modules for fun.
[18:58:14] <tsoome> I have no idea really
[18:59:09] <tsoome> I guess, gwr might be the most knowlegeable about it
[18:59:41] <rmustacc> You don't need fake-kernel for that.
[19:00:00] <rmustacc> fwiw
[19:01:10] <toastersonerson> What would I need? My guess is how to write a driver book.
[19:02:01] <rmustacc> I wrote a poc of one that's not very good rust.
[19:02:08] <rmustacc> Have you written a basic driver in C before?
[19:02:56] <toastersonerson> no. I can understand C but I do not like it. It feels so old. rust has the modern patterns I want.
[19:03:30] <rmustacc> I would write a basic driver in C so you understand the DDI.
[19:03:34] <rmustacc> Because you need to plug into that.
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[19:05:26] <tsoome> there actually is basic sceleton driver, but also the wdd book does give examples.
[19:05:32] <jbk> rmustacc: does that by any chance include a ddi crate?
[19:05:54] <jbk> (just curious -- something zeller had talked about as a neat idea)
[19:06:07] <toastersonerson> I really only want to print hello world equivalent. Not make something serious.
[19:06:15] <toastersonerson> +1 on the crate :)
[19:06:47] <rmustacc> Um. I did it the max power way.
[19:06:51] <rmustacc> I believe we'd want to get to that point.
[19:07:07] <jbk> unilaterally! :P
[19:07:33] <rmustacc> I think brekaing things up in crates and other things makes sense.
[19:07:41] <rmustacc> I basically wrote C in rust to start teaching myself.
[19:08:13] <toastersonerson> I write go in rust :)
[19:17:10] <danmcd> You wrote a C compiler in rust?!? :)
[19:17:33] <rmustacc> danmcd: No.
[19:17:40] <rmustacc> I wrote C-like code in rust.
[19:17:48] <rzezeski> Crust
[19:17:59] <LeftWing> ha
[19:18:18] <danmcd> Heh heh. I know what you meant. Many moons ago a C++ person advised me to start with it as "better C". I know what they meant even though the phrase was a lie.
[19:19:07] <toastersonerson> the only real better thing is it's C with a concept of Strings.
[19:19:25] <LeftWing> They're not super great strings though
[19:19:40] <toastersonerson> no i do preferr rust or even go.
[19:22:22] <jbk> well go is the future..
[19:22:24] <jbk> *runs*
[19:30:00] <LeftWing> stahp
[19:44:50] <tsoome> only took whole working day to pkg update host with 2 local zones. almost like microsoft now.
[19:45:41] <vgusev> LeftWing: could you approve rb/r/2565/ if you don't mind?
[19:47:15] <toastersonerson> tsoome (IRC): not enough memory? that has become a problem with enough packages now.
[19:48:48] <toastersonerson> *with too many packages
[19:51:06] <tsoome> no, pkg.oracle.com was dropping connections.
[19:51:18] <toastersonerson> ah not illumos :)
[19:51:48] <tsoome> apparently recovered now as it did start to behave
[19:53:08] <jbk> heh
[19:53:28] <jbk> i always loved it when pkg.oracle.com decided to die during maintenance windows
[19:53:40] <jbk> had to reschudle mroe than one because of it's flakyness at past jobs
[19:54:00] <pmooney> and you couldn't cache the packages locally?
[19:54:03] <jbk> (despite following their 'mirror a repo' steps verbatim, it never worked to produce a local cache that could avoid it)
[19:55:21] <jbk> i had actually tried that first since I wanted a local cache just to make things go faster..
[19:55:22] <tsoome> I need to build local cache yes, but it is a bit painful (current whole repo is ~200GB I think).
[19:56:38] <jbk> (maybe they've since fixed their docs -- opening a ticket was useless, so i just ended up building the new BE the day before.. since the actual data was on a NAS.. it was usually fine..
[19:56:58] <tsoome> I have already gone through incremental upgrades from 11.3.something, searching for usable middle steps etc. I must tell, I'm not sure the SVR4 was worse:D
[19:57:24] <LeftWing> I used to mirror the OpenSolaris repositories at the University something like a decade ago
[19:57:29] <LeftWing> It would be sad if they'd regressed that
[19:58:05] <LeftWing> It made the Automated Install run a lot faster, as all the IPS traffic was on the LAN then
[19:58:45] <jbk> for pkg.oracle.com IIRC, they issued customers TLS client certs that they verified to control access, so it wouldn't surprise me
[19:59:00] <tsoome> yep
[19:59:05] <LeftWing> oof
[19:59:08] <LeftWing> Of course they did
[19:59:52] <tsoome> at least now its one certificate and not per product certificates like it used to be:D
[20:00:26] <tsoome> anyhow. this fun is done, not it is time for other fun:)
[20:06:37] <yuripv> nice typo, no fun for you.
[20:21:32] <ryoshu> what's the purpose of KZ?
[20:21:47] <ryoshu> kernel zone, for non-userland-processes?
[20:22:04] <ryoshu> as opposed to NGZ
[20:22:18] <jbk> are you looking at illumos docs, or solaris?
[20:22:23] <jbk> they are not the same thing
[20:22:36] <jbk> merely share a common (now > 10 yrs old) ancestor
[20:22:49] <ryoshu> both and it is confusing
[20:22:58] <ryoshu> is there solaris vs illumos difference today?
[20:23:06] <jbk> yes
[20:23:17] <jbk> they've had years of independent developemtn
[20:23:17] <ryoshu> what does differ?
[20:23:27] <jbk> so there's common ancestry, but they've diverged
[20:24:47] <ryoshu> please elaborate
[20:28:55] <jbk> after oracle bought sun, they re-closed the solaris source, illumos forked from the last open releases of solaris and have been doing their own thing ever since
[20:29:13] <ryoshu> ok, and the technical part of zones? how do they differ?
[20:29:42] <jbk> as i understand it, solaris kernel zones are a mechanism for running solaris VMs on solaris
[20:30:09] <jbk> (but maybe try to make them look a bit like a zone?)
[20:30:49] <ryoshu> VMs - hardware assisted?
[20:30:52] <ryoshu> virtualization
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[20:31:40] <jbk> i don't know
[20:31:56] <ryoshu> and illumos ones, only one type of zones?
[20:33:11] <jbk> i don't know how kernel zones were implemented, so I can't compare to what's in illumos
[20:34:03] <jbk> several illumos distros allow you to run a VM manager (mostly bhyve now) in a zone, or just run normal processes in a zone
[20:34:52] <jbk> or run linux processes with syscall compatability
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[20:36:47] <wyan> i think i'm beginning to get the gist with zones... my trouble is always I don't understand networking properly :)
[20:37:16] <despair86> here have a kernel core dump: https://snowlight.net/files/vmdump.2 https://snowlight.net/files/vmdump.3 - nvpair assertion fails after bhyve import?
[20:38:11] <wyan> despair86: just what I needed on my second day doing illumos and zones :p
[20:38:22] <despair86> heh
[20:38:26] <despair86> oh wait
[20:38:35] <despair86> it's from the UFM support in igb(4D)
[20:39:11] <despair86> panicstr = assertion failed: nvlist_add_string(nvl, name, val) == 0 (0x16 == 0x0), file: ../../../common/nvpair/fnvpair.c, line: 199
[20:39:11] <despair86> panicstack = genunix:process_type+154009 () | genunix:fnvlist_add_string+42 () | genunix:ufm_cache_fill+2f0 () | ufm:ufm_do_getcaps+e4 () | ufm:ufm_ioctl+d3 () | genunix:cdev_ioctl+2b () | specfs:spec_ioctl+45 () | genunix:fop_ioctl+5b () | genunix:ioctl+153 () | unix:brand_sys_syscall32+186 () |
[20:40:52] <jbk> looks like EINVAL
[20:41:10] <jbk> though i'm not familiar with the new ufm bits
[20:42:32] <rmustacc> despair86: I'll pull it down and figure out what's going on. Apologies for the issue.
[20:43:17] <despair86> thx
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[20:47:06] <rmustacc> despair86: Which igb part do you have out of curiosity?
[20:47:50] <despair86> Intel I211
[20:48:01] <rmustacc> Thanks.
[20:50:48] <rmustacc> I see. The I211 has a synthetic nvrom.
[20:51:59] <rmustacc> I think I understand what's happening. I'll see I can prototype a fix quickly.
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[21:04:14] <rmustacc> despair86: Wrote up a bug here. https://www.illumos.org/issues/12875. Proto fix at https://code.illumos.org/c/illumos-gate/+/735.
[21:04:19] <rmustacc> Not sure if that's something that's easy for you to test or not.
[21:04:23] <despair86> :+1:
[21:06:15] <igork1> probably to use this one fix for others too ?
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[21:06:31] <rmustacc> What do you mean?
[21:07:04] <igork> i mean - if we have no ufm slot defined, to add 'unknown'
[21:07:07] <rmustacc> Only the I211 has a synthetic NVM that is faked up in common code.
[21:07:11] <igork> or it is just for igb?
[21:07:24] <igork> ok, thanks for info
[21:07:40] <rmustacc> As I comment in the bug, whether the framework should be less rigid here and handle this is something we should investigate.
[21:07:45] <rmustacc> But the most important thing is getting this righted.
[21:09:31] <igork> maybe set ddi_ufm_slot_set_version(slotp, "unknown"); as default and set to another one if it is available ?
[21:09:53] <rmustacc> Are you saying in the igb code or something else?
[21:10:13] <rmustacc> Most drivers don't implement this part of the framework. I missed the I211 variant in the device testing matrix, so this slipped through.
[21:10:18] <igork> for all others UFM code too
[21:10:43] <rmustacc> That's exactly what I've already said we should revisit at some point as the use of the framework has expanded.
[21:10:51] <igork> thanks
[21:10:53] <rmustacc> Again, my concern is first getting this particular issue solved.
[21:11:01] <rmustacc> This particular case doesn't impact other devices today.
[21:11:11] <igork> thanks for info
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[21:14:19] <despair86> building now
[21:15:15] <rmustacc> Thanks.
[21:22:28] <yuripv> if it's faked up, is it really readable | writable?
[21:23:47] <rmustacc> Yes, actually.
[21:24:08] <rmustacc> If you read the datasheet and the code the spots are still mapped to regions of the internal nvm.
[21:24:18] <rmustacc> And those, if we supported it, can be updated.
[21:24:36] <yuripv> I'm too lazy for that so asking here :)
[21:24:37] <rmustacc> What's faked up is that the compressed internal nvm doesn't really follow the same scheme as the others.
[21:25:01] <rmustacc> Next time, please consider reading up on it.
[21:25:11] <rmustacc> I did actually research this stuff.
[21:26:01] <rmustacc> e.g. in this case see section 6.0 of the datasheet which has the iNVM map.
[21:27:00] <rmustacc> But I'll go double check if it's writeable. My read was that it should be, but parts may be write protected in a way that I don't know.
[21:27:38] <rmustacc> The datasheet at least says that only words 0x28, 0xd, and 0xe are read-only to the host.
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[21:36:49] <Riastradh> Any zfs wizards for a quick question? I have a zpool mirror of two disks, and I accidentally overwrote the first 512 bytes of one of them with zeros. What is stored in those 512 bytes, and is it easily recoverable from the other disk in the mirror?
[21:37:12] <jbk> usually the boot sector IIRC
[21:37:48] <jbk> and probably the partition table (though for EFI, isn't it also mirrored at the end of the disk too?)
[21:37:56] <Riastradh> These are not boot media, so fortunately that's not an issue here! Is anything else usually stored there by zpool?
[21:38:07] <Riastradh> No partition table -- zpool is using the whole disk, not a partition on the disk.
[21:38:09] <jbk> if they're mirrored, do a scrub on the pool
[21:38:20] <Riastradh> Yep, running a scrub already!
[21:38:38] <jbk> if it finishes successfully, you're probably fine, esp if you're not booting
[21:39:17] <Riastradh> The second disk's first 32 bytes are nonzero; then the remainder of the first 512 bytes are all zero.
[21:39:35] <despair86> ok brb testing the patched igb
[21:39:38] <Riastradh> Is this some kind of vdev label that may be important in order to avoid having to copy everything over next time I boot up?
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[21:40:45] <jbk> i can't recall the flag offhand, but zdb can read the label off a disk device (and print it out)
[21:41:09] <jbk> which would give you an indication that zfs might have problems
[21:41:34] <andyf> I'd certainly recommend a `bootadm install-bootloader` as that's most likely what needs restoring to the start of the disk
[21:41:37] <Riastradh> `zdb -l' on the two disks prints identical output except for the guid line.
[21:42:10] <andyf> but if you aren't booting, that most likely doesn't matter, but it might give more information
[21:42:20] <Riastradh> andyf: (this is actually on NetBSD, and I know that NetBSD itself doesn't need anything here; hence asking for zfs wizards specifically and asking about what zpool stores there)
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[21:44:02] <despair86> yeah that fixed it :D
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[21:47:28] <despair86> @rmustacc
[21:52:37] <rmustacc> despair86: OK. Great. I'll work on getting that back ASAP. Thanks for the help and sorry for the troub.
[21:52:41] <rmustacc> *trouble
[21:53:09] <despair86> no problem
[22:01:15] <Riastradh> yay scrub succeeded with no errors
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