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[08:24:13] <tsoome> moun
[08:24:20] <tsoome> moin:D
[08:24:31] <tsoome> typos...
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[08:29:53] <igork> less asleep ? :)
[08:30:09] <Agnar> moin
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[08:32:56] <tsoome> Agnar the gate bits with fixed BE create should be in repo now:)
[08:33:31] <tsoome> so the pkg update should not fail at be create time..
[08:35:05] <Agnar> tsoome: cool, I have unfortunately no time to test it at the moment, very busy with work and with the house...
[08:35:23] <Agnar> but the repo is open, so others may try
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[08:40:40] <tsoome> the "fun" part is that despite the settings, pkg update seems to switch boot archive to cpio format
[08:41:12] <tsoome> which, of course, is bug:)
[08:41:26] <Agnar> nah. IPS just knows it better ;)
[08:42:05] <Agnar> Hey IPS, I don't want an cpio... - sure, I'll make it a cpio - but I... - see, little admin, I got the clue here: you want a cpio :)
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[08:43:00] <tsoome> maybe sometime in autumn I can add sparc support for cpio BA...
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[08:51:42] <igork> Agnar: i'm using hsfs for boot_archive on sparc and intel without problems
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[10:00:32] <tsoome> igork there is no inherit problem, just the size and external tooling.
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[10:45:43] <sjorge> moin
[10:47:08] <sjorge> So the new intel microcode drop is for stackclass or stacksmash or classstack? whatever the new one is called?
[10:47:25] <sjorge> The info on it seems a bit vague (the microcode)
[10:50:14] <andyf> sjorge - for https://www.vusec.net/projects/crosstalk/ as far as I can tell
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[15:08:28] <sjorge> thats the one
[15:08:39] <sjorge> So how many years back did we go performance wise now?
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[15:14:29] <jlevon> sjorge: it's not so bad as long as rdrand isn't involved
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[17:11:29] <sjorge> That would effect things like apache using ssl right?
[17:11:41] <sjorge> IIRC openssl uses rdrand for some of hte TLS stuff
[17:11:55] <sjorge> But not sure if pkgsrc build even has that enabled
[17:12:08] <rmustacc> Not necessairily.
[17:12:20] <sjorge> They seem to err on the side of lowest baseline for features
[17:12:26] <sjorge> *cpu features
[17:12:36] <rmustacc> openssl does a lot of runtime detection, fwiw.
[17:12:52] <sjorge> that sounds ugly
[17:12:53] <rmustacc> But you'd need to figure out if it used rdrand and how. If it uses it seed things along with the OS source or if it's just relying on the OS.
[17:13:21] <rmustacc> Well, it may be ugly, but that gives you the benefit of having one thing you can use on multiple CPUs without recompiling.
[17:13:33] <sjorge> Nut pushing gigabites of traffic though, so for me personally it should be fine I hope
[17:13:34] <rmustacc> Your ugliness is another person's feature.
[17:13:58] <rmustacc> You wouldn't want to build a binary per CPU you have if you could avoid it!
[17:14:09] <sjorge> Don't we (illumos) have some fancy stuff too where we can ship multiple compiled code bits and dynamically use the one that matches the cpu flags?
[17:14:32] <rmustacc> Yes, the run-time link-editor does support features like that.
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[21:46:48] <jbk> it'd be kinda neat if we could do that w/ kernel modules too (*ducks* :P) but probably more interesting things that are more useful atm
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[22:18:44] <rmustacc> jbk: I mean, you can do it without rtld and just use function pointers.
[22:19:33] <rmustacc> The single indirect call probably won't kill things versus the initial improvement you might get.
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