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[00:47:02] <jthan> hi
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[00:47:31] <jthan> what is everyone uses these days in terms of zfs distros? still omnios?
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[00:56:27] <v_a_b> jthan Do you mean "an illumos-based distro used mainly for storing data in ZFS pools"?
[00:56:50] <jthan> Yea, that is what I mean
[00:57:01] <v_a_b> If yes, both OmniOS and SmartOS are very useful for that. OpenIndiana will work as well, but is geared more towards the desktop.
[00:57:23] <v_a_b> If it's a multi purpose server I use OmniOS.
[00:57:46] <jthan> I used OI for a number of years, then we moved to OmniOS and we've stuck with it, I wa sjust curious if people were moving towards something else by now and I'd missed the train
[00:58:06] <v_a_b> If it's a single purpose box (e.g. NFS + SMB shares only, or iSCSI only) I use SmartOS because it gives me one extra disk slot since it runs in memory.
[00:58:17] <v_a_b> No, you're good. :-)
[01:00:07] <jthan> We pretty much have dedicated purposes boxes -- just NFS or SMB
[01:00:20] <jthan> we being my employer
[01:02:03] <v_a_b> In the enterprise world one disk slot more doesn't mean much so I guess OmniOS will do fine.
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[01:05:53] <jthan> yeah we usually just end up losing a spare in our case
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[01:11:02] <LeftWing> jthan: OmniOS have done a pretty superlative job with their LTS and stable releases
[01:11:11] <LeftWing> If I were putting a file server together that's definitely what I'd use
[01:12:57] <jthan> I could still stand for a bit more up-to-date software :-)
[01:13:03] <jthan> but, yeah, always has been stable
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[01:34:00] <LeftWing> jthan: pkgsrc layers on pretty well; e.g., from https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/install-on-illumos/
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[01:43:43] <jthan> LeftWing: hadn't heard of that, was using opencsw for awhile
[01:43:47] <jthan> but I'll definitely check it out, thanks
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[07:57:16] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12566 seeprom: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[08:08:57] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12569 ics951601: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:15:32] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12570 pca9556: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[11:29:39] <toastersonerson> jthan (IRC): omnios has a new association handling things, https://omniosce.org/ omnios as you know is has been replaced by omniosce.
[11:35:29] <toastersonerson> otherwise let andyf and the other devs know what updates you would like. If it's in pkgsrc you can use that as zone brand. There is also a rolling release version of omnios
[11:49:17] <v_a_b> I would not recommend using pkgsrc on OmniOS. That will land you in version hell. There are "pkgsrc branded zones" where pkgsrc-delivered sw can be installed very easily.
[11:50:00] <v_a_b> Outside of them, you're better off using the "extra" repository. If there is something missing, build it. :-)
[11:56:36] <sjorge> Been contempalting switching back to OmniOS too recently, the zone options are interesting. You can ahve the link zones so they update with the GZ (e.g. smb and nfs server zones), pkgsrc zones, still lx on the side, ...
[11:56:55] <sjorge> But the update kernel + bootarchive and reboot for SmartOS is still so damn easy
[12:00:51] <v_a_b> OmniOS is so small and fast that update + reboot is a matter of minutes. I actually reboot after every update even though the updated software might not require it.
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[13:03:26] <andyf> v_a_b: You mean in the GZ? pkgsrc in a pkgsrc-branded zone is very much supported
[13:03:43] <andyf> sjorge: there are sparse zones too (pkgsrc brand is actually a subset of that)
[13:04:35] <andyf> I'd not recommend anyone to deploy a system on the rolling release omnios branch. It's where the development happens, there are frequent force-reboots for updates and occasional breakage
[13:04:49] <andyf> Or at least, one needs to be aware of this :)
[13:09:10] <v_a_b> andyf Yes, that is exactly what I mean.
[13:10:04] <v_a_b> andyf So far, I have been very happy with the rolling release. :-)
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[13:22:03] <v_a_b> Re rolling release: I do admit that my bge NICs have been acting up since the upgrade to 034. They don't like to autoneg to 1GBit any more, but always end up at 100MBit. Nailing down speed and duplex fixed that. I guess that's a side effect of the recent fixes in the driver. But it's not a big deal.
[13:35:33] <yuripv> hmm, trying to change 'rpool' to 'system' during omnios install gives 'Can't test zpool create system' and 'Invalid pool name'; is it supposed to work at all?
[13:35:40] <andyf> v_a_b: By rolling release, I mean the 'bloody' release, do you?
[13:37:49] <andyf> yuripv: It's supposed to, yes. I haven't tried that for a while
[13:39:25] <yuripv> I see, guess I'll just live with rpool for now :)
[13:39:48] <yuripv> It's on omniosce-bloody-20200503.iso, BTW
[13:51:18] <andyf> Oh, I'll have to test it.
[13:52:42] <andyf> yeah, same error
[13:53:02] <andyf> Oh, it's because there is a directory called /system
[13:53:14] <andyf> and creating the pool attempts to mount it there
[13:53:28] <andyf> (you can check /tmp/kayak.log)
[13:53:47] <andyf> "Mountpoint '/system' exists and is not empty"
[13:54:36] <andyf> So, I'd say, 'system' is not a valid pool name, at least not without some workaround
[13:57:43] <andyf> I can open an issue for it, and can look at fixing it for a future version
[13:59:04] <yuripv> Oh, no worries, I forgot about the /system mountpoint being used. Using the same on another OS which doesn't have it.
[14:05:36] <andyf> I opened one anyway, I'd like to fix that at some point
[14:05:37] <andyf> https://github.com/omniosorg/kayak/issues/163
[14:06:02] <andyf> even if we don't fix it, a better error message would be nice
[14:06:40] <yuripv> Thank you.
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[14:53:15] <am11_> for 200+ dotnet libraries port work, i was thinking if there is a way to mount a shared volume between ubuntu and smartos zone, when both os are running as guest in virtualbox on mac host. this way it will save me quite many tar-scp-untar cycles when cross-compiling binaries on ubuntu targetting illumos and transferring to smartos for testing, back and forth.
[14:54:06] <am11_> is it possible? and which filesystem would that volume be formatted with, which both os can agree on? :)
[15:08:17] <yuripv> nfs? :)
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[15:49:28] <v_a_b> andyf No, by rolling release I mean the non-LTS release.
[15:49:40] <v_a_b> bloody is more like beta to me.
[15:50:04] <andyf> Just different terminology then. non-LTS stable is definitely not a rolling release
[15:51:18] <v_a_b> I agree that technically it is not rolling. Practically, the non-LTS is updated so often that the effect is the same.
[15:51:25] <v_a_b> (at least for me)
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[16:03:59] <andyf> We try hard to minimise forced reboot updates for all stable releases. I know you choose to do reboots for all of them, which is fine too
[16:04:58] <v_a_b> I used to worship uptime but have since repented :-)
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[18:41:16] <am11_> yuripv: thanks, and yes nfs will work. i have set it up on ubuntu guest where git repos are cloned and updated both smartos and ubuntu VMs to use bridge connection from virtualbox. atm, i am able to ping ubuntu (and internet) from globalzone, but not from the non-global zone, although both are using the same gateway and assigned ip from dhcp.
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[18:45:08] <rmustacc> You may need to tell vbox to enable promisc mode since the ngz will have its own macs.
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[20:21:03] <am11_> rmustacc: thanks, after enabling promisc (with allow-all) on both VMs, ngz can see gz and ubuntu, but not the internet. i am fine with it for now, as long as volume is mounted.
[20:22:18] <am11_> (gz can reach both; ubuntu and the internet)
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[21:35:25] <v_a_b> rmustacc Just reported an interesting find over in #omnios: "dladm show-ether" will always dump core the first time it is called after a reboot. All subsequent runs work fine. This is with the most recent bge in OmniOS 034.
[21:36:39] <v_a_b> Also, the NIC will sometimes autoneg to 100MBit instead of the usual 1GBit. This happens on two different systems, one with a TPLink switch, and one with an AVM DSL router.
[21:36:50] <v_a_b> Both systems have never had autoneg problems before.
[21:37:48] <v_a_b> Setting "speed" and "full-duplex" in bge.conf reliably fixed it.
[22:01:58] <rmustacc> v_a_b: Is a core dump available?
[22:02:24] <rmustacc> I thought 034 branched before all the bge work.
[22:12:03] <andyf> rmustacc - it certainly branched before the last few bge commits
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[22:12:28] <andyf> but I think there are changes from r32 to r34
[22:13:26] <andyf> ah, just this one ' 10152 bge debugging always on'
[22:21:42] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12568 tda8444: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:25:41] <v_a_b> rmustacc andyf so would it be worthwhile rechecking with OmniOS bloody?
[22:26:05] <andyf> Yes, if you can
[22:26:18] <v_a_b> NP, but not tonight :-)
[22:27:46] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12576 pcf8591: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:29:57] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12557 tod: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:32:36] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12562 su: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:36:05] <rmustacc> v_a_b: Yeah. Also, if you get a core file from dladm, that's useful.
[22:36:31] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12563 epic: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[22:40:21] <andyf> rmustacc - I have the core file, or I will once I release it from quarantine
[22:41:37] <rmustacc> OK.
[22:42:15] <andyf> 0803fb08 libumem.so.1`umem_malloc_free+0x1a(86eef78)
[22:42:15] <andyf> 0803fb38 libdladm.so.1`dladm_ether_info_done+0x2a(803fb5c)
[22:42:25] <andyf> so I can take a look at that later
[22:43:54] <andyf> free(86eef78): invalid or corrupted buffer
[22:46:07] <rmustacc> That's not great.
[22:46:15] <rmustacc> Well, feel free to send it my way if you ened another pair of eyes.
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[23:08:00] <sjorge> andyf: sparse zones are close to 'native' on SmartOS right?
[23:08:12] <sjorge> rmustacc: can do, will upload once I am near my laptop
[23:15:59] <sjorge> rmustacc: https://pkg.blackdot.be/cores/ node1.dltransinfo and node2.dltransinfo
[23:21:49] <rmustacc> sjorge: Thanks. I may need to iterate on some stuff, but if that's the case I'll let you know.
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[23:47:11] <andyf> sjorge - not really, they're linked-image but share /usr etc. with the GZ
[23:47:28] <andyf> you can actually install SmartOS images into zones with the illumos brand
[23:47:34] <andyf> (on OmniOS, that is)
[23:59:35] <rmustacc> v_a_b: Thanks for the core, I have a pretty good idea what's happened.
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