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[00:17:30] <ryoshu> is there some history section of solaris interfaces?
[00:17:39] <ryoshu> I'm looking for the first version of adding something
[00:18:25] <rmustacc> There historically isn't in the manuals, but certain interfaces can be inferred based on the mapfiles.
[00:18:32] <rmustacc> Or if there's a specific one you're interested in, we can probably asnwer.
[00:18:40] <ryoshu> what are mapfiles?
[00:18:56] <ryoshu> I'm looking where sigsendset was added
[00:19:04] <ryoshu> whether sunos was first
[00:19:09] <rmustacc> mapfiles are sometimes called linker scripts.
[00:19:17] <rmustacc> They are how we version interfaces.
[00:19:38] <rmustacc> I'm afraid since the illumos history only goes back to OpenSolaris, we may not know that directly from our history.
[00:19:54] <rmustacc> Though alanc is often someone who knows that.
[00:20:16] <ryoshu> alanc: ^
[00:21:31] <rmustacc> So based on the libc mapfile, it's in the sysv 1.3 section, so based on that and other comments, at the latest Solaris 2.3/SunOS 5.3.
[00:22:27] <ryoshu> was sunos 5.0 svr4?
[00:22:46] <alanc> I've added history sections to a handful of man pages in Solaris 11.4, but not that one
[00:23:11] <alanc> yes, the big change between SunOS 4 and SunOS 5 was that 5.0 was SVR4-based
[00:23:31] <rmustacc> You'd probably want to go look to SV releases to see if it was there.
[00:23:36] <ryoshu> alanc: are there any users of sigsendset?
[00:28:43] <alanc> sigsendset appears to go back to the SVR4 import in 1988 in the sccs history, so I'd say it's been in since Solaris 2.0/SunOS 5.0
[00:29:51] <alanc> looks like there's a couple calls in the gate itself - you should be able to see that in illumos grok
[00:30:56] <ryoshu> assuming that src/uts is the kernel, nothing
[00:31:02] <ryoshu> in userland
[00:31:53] <alanc> most of the results in https://codesearch.debian.net/ for it appear to be tracing it don't see any calling it
[00:32:36] <ryoshu> I'm interested in sigsend, but sigsendset is a more generic version I have no use (today)
[00:33:51] <alanc> yes. uts is the kernel, but libc is not the kernel: http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/lib/libc/port/gen/sigsend.c#44
[00:34:13] <ryoshu> yes, this is the entry point of sigsend
[00:34:47] <alanc> oh, so you mean sigsendset vs. sigsend, I don't know about that
[00:35:23] <ryoshu> I'm pondering whether to implement in another kernel sigsend and ignore sigsendset or go for both
[00:36:08] <ryoshu> if there are now users in 30+ years, possibly we could survive
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[00:38:23] <alanc> wow, I should not have googled for sigsendset - sure, most of the hits are man pages or headers from SysV OS'es, but then there's the disturbing ancient Linux flame war from someone trolling Linux advocacy group for not having it
[00:38:39] <ryoshu> link?
[00:39:45] <ryoshu> is there something like svr4 specification somewhere?
[00:49:30] <LeftWing> There was the (ancient) SVID
[00:49:39] <LeftWing> And then the (slightly less ancient) SUS
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[01:13:44] <rmustacc> ryoshu: There is. Things like http://www.sco.com/developers/devspecs/vol1a.pdf
[01:16:59] <ryoshu> thanks, it's there
[01:20:52] <ryoshu> to be honest
[01:21:31] <ryoshu> solaris stuff from 90. looks very much advanced compared to current unix-like OSs
[01:25:03] <ryoshu> but as it was not open source I cannot morally recommend or support it ;)
[01:26:59] <LeftWing> Well, hey, we're open source now!
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[03:55:39] <ryoshu> alanc: OK, I have found one user of sigsendset(2) - it was killall(1) in solaris 2.6
[03:55:45] <ryoshu> but it was rewritten
[03:56:08] <ryoshu> https://github.com/legacy-codedigger/Solaris-2.6-Source-Code/blob/60a0b3093caa7d84e63dd891a23df0e8e720bf3d/Solaris_2.6/os_net/src_ws/usr/src/cmd/killall/killall.c#L37
[03:56:18] <ryoshu> http://src.illumos.org/source/xref/illumos-gate/usr/src/cmd/killall/killall.c?r=b3863623bad65c4d98e8af1ef92ca8748dc4396b#63
[04:01:13] <jbk> heh.. i'm guessing that first link probably doesn't have an authorized copy of the solaris source
[04:11:20] * LeftWing blinks
[04:14:21] <jbk> ISTR the 2.6 source was leaked some years ago.. i'm guessing that's probably a copy of it
[04:15:40] <LeftWing> Well my advice is definitely don't look at that if you intend to contribute patches
[04:16:45] <jbk> (just going by the url)
[04:16:49] <jbk> i'm not going to look :)
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[04:57:37] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12746 x86_emulate_cpuid() should clear upper 32 bits -- Patrick Mooney <pmooney at pfmooney dot com>
[05:05:57] <alanc> I think Sun was still doing academic source releases in the 2.6 & 7 timeframe - license only let you use for educational/research purposes and not redistribute though
[05:11:33] <jbk> however this https://github.com/microsoft/GW-BASIC is kinda neat, and shouldn't have any concerns :)
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[06:49:01] <tsoome> alanc, yes, I got my first access to solaris sources back then:)
[07:20:54] <am11> found a typo in https://illumos.org/man/3proc/proc_arg_grab; s/proc_arg_grag/proc_arg_grab.
[07:24:10] <rzezeski> am11: I can file an issue if you're not up for it.
[07:24:49] <am11> rzezeski: please do.
[07:24:59] <rzezeski> 10-4, thanks for the report
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[07:25:50] <rzezeski> Smithx10: I'm in, but only if we are _super_ troopers
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[07:40:24] <am11> if procHandle is the handle grabbed with proc_arg_grab(3PROC) using lwpid (obtained from pthread), then what is the difference between Pstatus(procHandle)->pr_utime vs. Pstatus(procHandle)->pr_lwp.pr_utime?
[07:51:13] <rzezeski> Making a guess here: but first is time for entire process, second is for the representative thread
[07:51:22] <LeftWing> That sounds right to me
[07:52:28] <am11> ah right, the latter is the status of lwpid that we asked for when grabbing the handle. thank you!
[07:56:00] <rzezeski> I don't quite follow what exactly you are doing. But the pr_lwp will be a single thread of the process, chosen by the kernel, to act as a representative of the other threads. Which I'm not sure if that's the same as what you are saying.
[08:00:31] <am11> given a pthread (other than the self/current one), i need to find its user cpu time. so my algorithm so far is; proc = proc_arg_grab((char*)lwpid, PR_ARG_PIDS, PGRAB_RDONLY, &perr) ... Pstatus(proc)->pr_lwp.pr_utime.
[08:02:40] <rzezeski> I'm not sure that's going to do what you want.
[08:02:55] <rzezeski> The first arg should be a PID.
[08:03:14] <rzezeski> If you want the lwpstatus for a given thread then perhaps you can use xgrab, but I'm not sure it's the best way to do it
[08:04:07] <rzezeski> Sorry, I'm not super familiar with using libproc, but I have a feeling pr_lwp is going to give you the wrong results most of the time.
[08:05:30] <am11> I understand the problem. so we would need to iterate through lwps returned by proc_arg_xgrab and find the one matching our lwpid.
[08:05:58] <rzezeski> well it looks like you can send a specific thread id (or really set of ids) to xgrab
[08:06:09] <rzezeski> and then in return it will change the pointer to ???
[08:06:13] <rzezeski> lwpstatus I would hope
[08:06:18] <rzezeski> But I can't really tell from the man page
[08:07:05] <rzezeski> oh wait, maybe I'm misreading this
[08:07:47] <rzezeski> I'd have to play around with some code to really understand, but yea, need to find a way to get the lwpstatus, and pull pr_utime from that
[08:08:03] <rzezeski> Sorry I can't be more helpful.
[08:09:29] <am11> so lwps in proc_arg_xgrab is used for both in and out. hmm.
[08:10:03] <am11> (was wondering why it is char** lwps, why not a pid)
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[08:10:58] <rzezeski> Yea, I just can't quite understand what "thread specification" is referring to
[08:11:26] <rzezeski> I'm not sure if that's referring to the same thing as "thread range" in https://illumos.org/man/3PROC/proc_lwp_range_valid
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[08:17:19] <rzezeski> Not really sure how you are supposed to do this, but there's also https://illumos.org/man/3PROC/Plwp_iter
[08:19:55] <rzezeski> anyways, I have to run, I'm sure someone will have a better answer for you tomorrow
[08:20:31] <am11> Plwp_iter_all is something i was all looking at.
[08:20:52] <LeftWing> am11: I'm not sure I would use libproc here
[08:21:11] <am11> third option is to just open(/proc/pid/lwpid/..).
[08:21:13] <LeftWing> Just open the lwpstatus file you need?
[08:21:15] <LeftWing> Yeah
[08:21:43] <LeftWing> I believe the layout of those documented structs in the proc files is stable
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[08:22:49] <am11> LeftWing: so just read the file content and cast to pstatus_t*?
[08:25:18] <LeftWing> Or read the specific offsets you're after
[08:25:45] <jbk> i thought proc more or less made you read the whole struct
[08:25:49] <LeftWing> But yes generally. You're after the lwpstatus one I should think
[08:25:58] <LeftWing> jbk: That might be true, I don't recall
[08:28:23] <LeftWing> Sorry, the lwpusage one
[08:30:22] <am11> will reading fd obtained from open(/proc/<pid>lwp/<lwpid>/lwpstatus) give us lwpstatus_t or pstatus_t?
[08:31:14] <am11> (latter being the wrapper of former)
[08:32:05] <jbk> lwpstatus_t according to proc(4)
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[10:08:28] <am11> thanks jbk.
[10:09:45] <am11> LeftWing, pushed a commit to the ongoing PR. could you please eyeball it? (especially the #define/#undef _KERNEL part).
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[16:11:57] <jollyd> What is the best practice for people using Gerrit with no push rights? Pushing to Gerrit adds a blank line + Change-Id to the commit message, but git pbhck complains about it. Should the commit message be amended to remove the Change-Id line and the patch sent by email, or can the link to the Gerrit diff be provided in the email instead? Both alternatives have been used recently.
[16:15:38] <jlevon> jollyd: I think either is fine
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[16:26:40] <jollyd> jlevon: ok thank you :)
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[16:38:34] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12680 want PCI pass-thru in bhyve -- Hans Rosenfeld <hans.rosenfeld at joyent dot com>
[16:39:27] <jlevon> sweet
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[16:42:07] <jollyd> \o/
[16:47:23] <am11> raise my question upstream https://github.com/joyent/pkgsrc/issues/265. :)
[16:49:02] <am11> raised*
[16:50:15] <am11> i can use curl/wget and manually restore icu and friends, but would be cleaner if we can install them using pkgin (i think).
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[16:50:58] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12776 libbe: missing typedef in libbe.h -- Aurelien Larcher <aurelien.larcher at gmail dot com>
[17:09:10] <andy_js> andyf: Would you mind having another look over this one? https://code.illumos.org/c/illumos-gate/+/676
[17:18:41] <sjorge> Yay passthru landed!
[17:25:54] <andyf> andy_js: lgtm, thanks for updating that
[17:28:25] <andy_js> No problem. Let me tell you, testing that was a PITA.
[17:29:12] <jlevon> hah I bet
[17:34:07] <andyf> Yeah - AWS is a pain for that
[17:34:22] <andyf> I prefer Azure, despite myself, just because of the serial console
[17:39:51] <andyf> I don't suppose Jerry hangs out on IRC anywhere?
[17:40:43] <jbk> i don't think so
[17:41:40] <jbk> i can pass something along, or you can try email..
[17:41:44] <andyf> I think I'm hitting fallout from 12002
[17:42:05] <andyf> An email is probably best then
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[18:59:51] <tsoome> richlowe ping
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[19:43:43] <rmustacc> If anyone has some spare cycles, mind booting the bits in https://code.illumos.org/c/illumos-gate/+/638 and making sure all your devices come up as expected?
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[20:17:24] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12779 mdb str_flags is missing STRXPG4TTY -- Andy Fiddaman <omnios at citrus-it dot co.uk>
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[20:36:30] <richlowe> tsoome: what's up?
[20:36:58] <richlowe> tsoome: if you reliably want my attention you'll need to email btw :)
[20:44:10] <tomww> or "ping" w/o subject is no ping :)
[21:01:30] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12682 want mdb-bhyve module -- Hans Rosenfeld <hans.rosenfeld at joyent dot com>
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[21:18:51] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12774 Resilver restarts unnecessarily when it encounters errors -- John Poduska <jpoduska at datto dot com>
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[22:33:51] <sjorge> rmustacc: I should be subbed to developer normally
[22:34:06] <sjorge> I wonder if iOS is dropping the +ml when replying vs when sending :thin
[22:34:53] <sjorge> I’ll google around for that tomorrow when I am not on my phone, because I think that’s probably the issue with the ending in the moderation queue.
[22:35:10] <rmustacc> What address are you subscribed to?
[22:35:25] <rmustacc> Also, no need to discuss this here unless you want to.
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[22:39:33] <sjorge> It's fine... it's quicker than writing some short e-mails
[22:39:41] <sjorge> it should be sjorge+ml <at> blackdot.be
[22:40:12] <sjorge> I believe, but it does indeed look like apple will drop them I just tested :(
[22:40:14] <jbk> you should be able to add additional email addresses
[22:40:27] <rmustacc> Yes, then that's not what's sending it. So you can go through and add additional send addresses that can send traffic for your account, but won't receive it.
[22:40:30] <sjorge> Yeah I found a post, but I don't have that menu
[22:40:39] <jbk> i don't think it will send to those, but used to identify 'that is you (and a subscriber)' for sending
[22:41:02] <sjorge> Oh you mean set them in topicbox
[22:41:04] <rmustacc> That is correct. I used to use that functionality for years.
[22:41:13] <rmustacc> sjorge: Yes, these are all topicbox settings, not iOS.
[22:41:15] <sjorge> Oh, that might be easier :D
[22:41:31] <sjorge> is that per list or global?
[22:41:47] <rmustacc> It usually is something specific to a topicbox account.
[22:42:13] <rmustacc> So it should only have to be done once.
[22:42:41] <sjorge> Found it!
[22:42:48] <sjorge> Should be good now, it was indeed global
[22:43:29] <sjorge> Thanks for pointing that out
[22:43:41] <rmustacc> Sure, np.
[22:43:57] <rmustacc> It's less work for me and better experience for you.
[22:44:03] <sjorge> I'm off to bed again (doesn't mean I'll sleep anytime soon)
[22:44:13] <sjorge> Yeah, I can imagine you got those about 1/3 of my replies :$
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[23:49:58] <jbk> with bhyve upstream, I wonder if it'd make sense to file an equivalent of OS-8005..
[23:50:25] <jbk> (basically try to make ARC + bhyve less problematic)
[23:52:08] <jbk> i have a fairly simplistic workaround that seems to help quite a bit, though it's not perfect...
[23:53:05] <jbk> and probably needs a bit more tweaking
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