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[01:02:26] <andyf> oh. n
[01:02:54] <andyf> Oh. New bhyve firmware to build tomorrow!
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[01:07:16] <Smithx10> andyf: this? https://twitter.com/bexcran/status/1261060664212086786
[01:19:02] <pmooney> jbk: don't worry about the bhyve-related redmine activity
[01:19:09] <pmooney> I'm just getting tickets lined up for the last of the upstreaming
[01:23:15] <jbk> ahh ok
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[01:23:40] <jbk> it'll be good once it's all done
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[01:48:09] <pmooney> yes, yes it will
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[09:15:57] <sjorge> Smithx10 I'm going to tst it tomorrow or tonight
[09:16:17] <sjorge> It shoud: have VNC on UEFI, pci passthru and correct cpu topology
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[09:57:40] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12727 unix: 'zvp' is undeclared -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[12:18:40] <andyf> Smithx10: yep!
[12:25:35] <am11> i am hitting a sigsegv in a c++ application (this time the real/full-monthy dotnet(1) corehost as opposed to the stripped-down corerun host), which makes use of thread_local. when the application exits, app coredumps with sigsegv. bt suggests that it's coming from libc: http://sprunge.us/bx4dlk
[12:25:51] <am11> does this sound familiar?
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[12:44:28] <ryoshu> is zoneid_t a file descriptor?
[12:47:25] <jlevon> ryoshu: no, it's a different thing
[12:47:42] <jlevon> what are you trying to do
[12:50:31] <ryoshu> just researching
[12:56:13] <ryoshu> jlevon: would it be useful if it would be a file descriptor?
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[12:56:45] <ryoshu> like a race free reference
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[13:06:58] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12726 sbbc: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[13:08:46] <jlevon> ryoshu: the question is if it's a file descriptor, what do you want to do with it. read/write doesn't make sense. it's not clear what poll would do
[13:08:52] <jlevon> etc.
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[13:30:29] <ryoshu> jlevon: we don't need to support every operation on fd
[13:30:38] <ryoshu> jlevon: like read() is blocked on dirs
[13:30:56] <ryoshu> jlevon: can you poll() on a dir?
[13:32:00] <ryoshu> jlevon: fd as a pointer to a resource, in this case zone
[13:33:28] <jlevon> sure, but you haven't really answered the question
[13:33:49] <ryoshu> what is not answered?
[13:34:19] <jlevon> what do you want to do with the fd
[13:34:29] <ryoshu> just reference a zone
[13:34:51] <ryoshu> zone can be deleted and recreated, a number recycled
[13:35:05] <jlevon> there's no point having a reference if you can't do anything with it
[13:35:13] <jlevon> please be specific
[13:35:53] <ryoshu> syscall(SYS_zone, ZONE_BOOT, zoneid) where zoneid is a fd
[13:35:56] <ryoshu> e.g.
[13:36:11] <ryoshu> or other syscall
[13:37:28] <wilbury> oh, a NetBSD vs. illumos war? :-)
[13:37:35] <jlevon> but why?
[13:37:48] <wilbury> j/k, ofc
[13:37:55] <ryoshu> to keep it as a stable reference
[13:37:57] <ryoshu> just that
[13:38:10] <jlevon> a stable reference to what though?
[13:38:20] <jlevon> please don't say "the zone" :)
[13:38:22] <ryoshu> kernel resource for a zone
[13:38:28] <jlevon> you mean a zone_t?
[13:39:04] <ryoshu> I think that one, yes
[13:39:07] <jlevon> I'm not saying you can't do it - you can - but for all that work to be necessary, there should be some really good reasons
[13:39:22] <jlevon> zone_t doesn't exist less than READY state
[13:40:06] <ryoshu> from other point of view, why to reinvent file descriptor just for zoneid_t
[13:40:34] <ryoshu> that is a static global index
[13:41:13] <jlevon> the lifetimes don't match up
[13:44:41] <ryoshu> meanwhile it can be terminated and number recycled afaiu
[13:45:04] <jlevon> the zonename is the stable identifier
[13:45:12] <jlevon> that's what you'd use in e.g. dtrace scripts
[13:45:42] <jlevon> if you have a specific need for a stable integer that survives zone reboots, there's something you could finish off that I have.
[13:45:44] <ryoshu> zonename can be reused and recycled
[13:46:06] <ryoshu> like "myzone1"
[13:46:22] <jlevon> that doesn't really seem much of a concern. what specific scenario are you worreid about ?
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[13:47:11] <jlevon> I can't think of anything where an fd would help. what if your process exits?
[13:47:14] <jlevon> you'd lose the fd
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[13:47:49] <ryoshu> if there are no longer any references -> shut down the zone
[13:48:05] <ryoshu> unless there is a bit to not kill the zone if there are no references
[13:48:15] <jlevon> so if your process crashes for whatever reason, the zone dies? that doesn't sound very good for RAS
[13:48:36] <jlevon> anyway, by all means, write up a detailed IPD with your proposal and how you plan to implement it - can be discussed on the list
[13:48:54] <ryoshu> zone can survive, windows uses a magic bit for it in HCS
[13:49:25] <ryoshu> and then we can use reliably getzonebyname()
[13:51:07] <jlevon> eh? you just said you were worried about zone name reuse
[13:51:43] <jlevon> if you lose your fd by definition you've just lost your stable reference to your zone. also I don't see how any of this helps across a reboot.
[13:52:02] <jlevon> what might make more sense is a UUID with sensible lifetime semantics, and exposure to the kernel and dtrace
[13:52:08] <jlevon> then that's your stable identifier
[13:52:18] <ryoshu> ok, we can also use sendmsg() with SCM_RIGHTS to transfer a fd.. it would be fancy, but just getzonebyname() would be sufficient to get fd
[13:52:47] <ryoshu> I see, UUID is a workaround
[13:52:50] <ryoshu> sounds good
[13:52:51] <jlevon> but your zonename could refer to a different zone by your own definition
[13:53:09] <jlevon> unfortunately the current UUID is not great for certain operations
[13:53:14] <jlevon> forget the details
[13:53:32] <ryoshu> not being unique enough?
[13:53:34] <ryoshu> or something else?
[13:54:30] <jlevon> it's possible to end up with duplicates over clone, or attach, somesuch
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[14:35:54] <am11> turned out the "sigsegv _after_ main exits" issue was due to dlclose call in the user code. libc was trying to invoke exit on objects of already closed library.. solution so far: add_compile_options(-fno-use-cxa-atexit) in cmake script.
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[14:54:50] <sjorge> You seem to be making a lot of progress :)
[15:03:25] <am11> sjorge: heh, trying to stablize the hosting layer so we can focus on clr initialization. once that is done then comes the codegen to try out hello world.. (still a long way to go it seems) -.-
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[15:24:17] <sjorge> host layer is the bed rock I guess?
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[15:41:32] <am11> sjorge; yup, the glue which calls coreclr_initialize after resolving all kinds of runtime informations. there are multiple kinds of hosts (corehost -aka dotnet(1), nethost, comhost, ijwhost -aka c++/cli host). we can create a custom host as well https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tutorials/netcore-hosting.
[15:44:31] <am11> all that is under src/installer. there is also a simple/slim host available under src/coreclr/hosts, called corerun (i used it yesterday to find 0x8007FF02 error we are hitting during the initialization -- something related to wired memory)
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[17:37:44] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12540 mdb: build with gcore -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[18:40:15] <v_a_b> tsoome andyf Back in November, I reported problems with 8 bit colors on the loader console. That resulted in integration of "12041 tem: x86 needs to use tems.ts_color_map() for 8-bit colors". And the color change of the text did indeed go away.
[18:40:51] <v_a_b> However, I still have another problem when working on the console with colors set to 1600x1200x8:
[18:41:19] <v_a_b> Foreground and background colors are set correctly. But around the text area, a blue frame is displayed.
[18:42:04] <v_a_b> And anything that clears the screen will turn the whole display blue briefly, then revert to normal fg/bg colors.
[18:43:57] <v_a_b> "bootadm install-bootloader" tells me that I have the current one, and "strings" says it's 1.1-2020.03.19.1.
[18:44:39] <v_a_b> Am I the only one? :-)
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[18:46:00] <v_a_b> [All of that is on OmniOS 034.]
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[18:50:07] <Cthulhux> my omnios still shuts down roughly every 15 days. somethings weird here.
[18:51:38] <v_a_b> Ctulhux If mine did that I'd go crazy. Anything in the messages file after reboot?
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[18:56:17] <Cthulhux> hmm..
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[18:56:19] <Cthulhux> weit
[18:56:21] <Cthulhux> wait
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[18:57:27] <Cthulhux> where is that file?
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[18:59:56] <v_a_b> /var/adm/messages{.[0-3]} ?
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[19:03:46] <Cthulhux> well
[19:03:52] <Cthulhux> i do a reboot every midnight
[19:04:09] <Cthulhux> because else it becomes unresponsive ^^ (no, i really don't know why)
[19:04:29] <Cthulhux> and the messages file says that a scheduled reboot just didin't... work.
[19:04:32] <Cthulhux> May 13 00:00:00 rosaelefanten.org reboot: [ID 500860 auth.crit] initiated by root
[19:04:33] <Cthulhux> May 13 00:00:14 rosaelefanten.org genunix: [ID 672855 kern.notice] syncing file systems...
[19:04:33] <Cthulhux> May 13 00:00:15 rosaelefanten.org genunix: [ID 904073 kern.notice] done
[19:04:33] <Cthulhux> May 13 11:22:04 rosaelefanten.org genunix: [ID 540533 kern.notice] ^MSunOS Release 5.11 Version omnios-r151030-521a1fc4d
[19:04:33] <Cthulhux> 1 64-bit
[19:04:42] <Cthulhux> (11:22 = manual boot)
[19:07:30] <v_a_b> If you have to do a reboot once a day then there is something very wrong with your system.
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[19:08:31] <v_a_b> Maybe you want to go over to #omnios and post some details about your system.
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[19:12:08] <pmooney> andyf: if you're happy with the packaging (and everything else) on 12676, I'm going to move forward with it
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[19:29:12] <andyf> pmooney - yep, great :)
[19:29:21] <andyf> v_a_b - I see that too (the blue border) with 8-bit colour
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[19:29:43] <andyf> v_a_b - at least in some places
[19:34:19] <v_a_b> andyf Phew... I thought I was finally over the edge ;-)
[19:34:27] <andyf> pmooney - I am not looking forward to the merge for that one though :)
[19:34:42] <pmooney> yeah :-/
[19:34:47] <pmooney> hopefully it's not too much of a mess
[19:36:20] <v_a_b> andyf The blue effect is probably not OmniOS-specific. Would it help if I did a test on SmartOS? Haven't looked at it but I assume I could just modify loader parms directly on the USB key.
[19:40:04] <v_a_b> tsoome Or you come up with a magic patch again...
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[20:05:06] <tsoome> v_a_b other depths?
[20:10:40] <v_a_b> tsoome x16 and x24 work fine.
[20:13:18] <tsoome> 8 bit colors are indexed, we load palette of RGB values and use index to address specific color. So the question is, does this hw not support specific palette value or is there something more
[20:13:53] <tsoome> what does framebuffer get tell about the mode?
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[20:20:11] <v_a_b> Hang on, need to power it up again :-)
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[20:30:45] <v_a_b> http://www.bb-c.de/framebuffer.get
[20:30:55] <v_a_b> Took me a while to type it all in ;-)
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[20:40:49] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12665 want modern bhyve -- Patrick Mooney <pmooney at pfmooney dot com>
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[20:41:47] <pmooney> *balloons*
[20:42:05] <andyf> and then some!
[20:42:08] <v_a_b> *booze*
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[20:53:41] <igork> pmooney: congrats
[21:02:30] <pmooney> thanks
[21:02:36] <tomww> yea
[21:02:45] <pmooney> bahamat: haha, thanks for advertising my typo :-p
[21:06:30] <tsoome> pmooney nice one:)
[21:06:48] <pmooney> hopefully we can get the rest of it in soon
[21:07:02] <pmooney> since it really needs viona to be useful
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[21:14:58] <bahamat> pmooney: ha, didn't notice.
[21:15:21] <bahamat> Either way, still exciting :-)
[21:16:37] <pmooney> indeed
[21:16:52] <pmooney> been a long time coming
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[21:35:20] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12739 gld module missing dep on mac after 12671 -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at fingolfin dot org>
[21:35:43] <rzezeski> great job handling this massive undertaking pmooney
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[21:38:58] <sjorge> Good to see this going upstream!
[21:39:15] <sjorge> Congrats pmooney and everyone working on this
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[22:00:24] <andyf> Who's going to be the first to fire up a bhyve VM on OpenIndiana?
[22:01:05] <LeftWing> I guess there's no zone brand for that right now
[22:01:23] <rzezeski> I thought Patrick stood up bhyve on OI?
[22:01:48] <andyf> There's no brand and no viona, but it should be possible to boot a VM in the GZ
[22:02:04] <rzezeski> Yea, I thought he did some testing there, but maybe I'm mixing things up
[22:02:07] <LeftWing> With the caveat that you'll be vulnerable to L1TF I think
[22:02:31] <andyf> I imagine he must have as part of the pre-RTI testing (probably in an onu environment from omnios)
[22:02:59] <LeftWing> I built him an entirely new OI package repository and ISO/USB image that's delivered over TLS so that he was willing to install it lol
[22:03:48] <andyf> sjorge - no luck building the latest uefi firmware yet (although only 20 minutes spent on it so far). Have you tried Bex's binaries?
[22:04:08] <andyf> LeftWing - ah, I wondered why you were building it :)
[22:04:48] <rzezeski> andyf: Apologies for the IP fwd test ugliness. I was used to the way SmartOS did it. And I tried to make things work with -p zone, but unfortunately I didn't know the exact incantations and just assumed it was only in SmartOS.
[22:05:53] <andyf> rzezeski - no problem at all, I only mentioned it as I reviewed. With all of this mac/viona stuff in the air, I can completely understand not wanting to revisit things that have been tested until the dust has settled
[22:05:56] <sjorge> andyf: Yes! I tried: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, OmniOS and Windows 10
[22:06:13] <sjorge> NVMe and passthru tested on win10 and FreeBSD, was working fine
[22:06:35] <sjorge> CPU topology is now all correct again as windows booted with a 3x2 config
[22:06:46] <sjorge> Before it failed because win10 non server cannot have more than 2 sockets
[22:07:00] <sjorge> Loader is still trashed though :( like incorrectly rendered lines
[22:07:19] <sjorge> Bex was going to look into that as she forgot, after she fixes CSM
[22:07:27] <sjorge> That’s giving them a lot of trouble it seems
[22:07:29] <andyf> perfect, thanks. Would you be willing to test ones built on illumos once the build works?
[22:07:50] <sjorge> andyf: SURE
[22:07:59] <sjorge> Oops caps lock, not used to the ipad keyboard cover yet
[22:08:11] <andyf> I have some CSM commits she might want, from the 2019 branch but I'll let her know
[22:08:12] <sjorge> Now using ipad for irc, discord, ... on the side :)
[22:08:30] <sjorge> Oh, good idea, hopefully they are useful
[22:08:52] <andyf> and we should probably try and get Woodstock's DSDT change in there too
[22:08:59] <LeftWing> andyf: Do you recall -- when an IPS package depends on a particular version, will it allow newer versions?
[22:09:19] <andyf> LeftWing - yes, it will
[22:09:47] <LeftWing> Does it do any kind of semver style gating across a particular major change
[22:10:00] <andyf> it's only type=incorporate that is a lock
[22:10:07] <LeftWing> Ah interesting
[22:10:25] <andyf> semver style gating?
[22:10:51] <sjorge> Ugh, Illumos mails are going back to spam -_-
[22:10:58] <andyf> We have a project - "Make omnios-userland great again" - to add meta packages that can stick you on a particular release, which will be based on incorporations
[22:11:01] <sjorge> Been good for like 2 weeks before
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[22:11:06] <LeftWing> A semver caret specification will allow 1.0 to mean 1.0 up to 1.X but not 2.0
[22:11:11] <andyf> sjorge - the sender address changed today I think
[22:11:28] <andyf> leftwing, yes depend type=incorporate fmri=pkg:/a/package@1
[22:11:28] <sjorge> Hmm maybe my negative scoring is no longer applied
[22:12:09] <LeftWing> andyf: Cool
[22:12:40] <LeftWing> Release metapackages would be cool
[22:13:12] <LeftWing> That'd mean you wouldn't need to do the publisher URL shift anymore to upgrade? Just switch which metapackage you're using?
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[22:18:53] <andyf> Possible, but using separate repositories keeps metadata down.
[22:19:57] <LeftWing> And that's the secret to everything being snappy I guess
[22:20:03] <andyf> Have a scan of https://github.com/OpenIndiana/pkg5/pull/75 if you're interested - I did some analysis of the openindiana repo there
[22:20:04] <LeftWing> (with the client we have today)
[22:20:33] <andyf> "consolidation/userland/userland-incorporation 339 679220"
[22:20:49] <andyf> That OI package has 679K actions across all versions
[22:20:59] <andyf> all of which needs parsing from the JSON
[22:21:38] <andyf> At least switching publishers is really easy with linked zones and the --recursive option
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[22:27:54] <pmooney> rzezeski: I spun it up with all the pending viona patches
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[22:27:59] <pmooney> in the global zone
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[22:32:03] <LeftWing> andyf: Nice to see the peak RSS come down haha
[22:33:00] <andyf> I tried all sorts of JSON libraries - including orjson (in Rust)
[22:33:31] <andyf> at the end of the day, there is just a large amount of data to process and rapidjson was best (and a really nice backend implementation too)
[22:33:36] <LeftWing> I think you'd have to redo most of the engine in Rust to make it worthwhile
[22:34:01] <LeftWing> In that any round trip to Python is going to result in a bloated memory representation of that giant catalogue
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[22:34:34] <LeftWing> Also one imagines it would be possible to use something like SQLite or some other indexed on disk format to avoid the need to deserialise at all
[22:34:49] <tsoome> usr/src/lib/libsocket/inet/rcmd.c - where from it gets variable s3?
[22:34:56] <LeftWing> I believe SQLite files are long term stable at this point, and even endian neutral
[22:34:59] <andyf> The developers did quite a lot of analysis and there are some funny comments in there too
[22:35:57] <jlevon> tsoome: think you missed it on line 275
[22:36:10] <andyf> This is my favourite - https://github.com/omniosorg/pkg5/blob/master/doc/catalog-v1.txt#L1170
[22:36:44] <tsoome> sigh... it is devious!
[22:37:22] <jlevon> tsoome: it is ugly and devious
[22:37:26] <LeftWing> andyf: Haha! Both somewhat underhand and also perilously optimistic
[22:39:36] <rmustacc> Some day I'll start a project and not wish past me had already done a project. Today is me wishing we had generalized vpd data.
[22:41:40] <LeftWing> Only you can prevent forest fires!
[22:42:51] <rmustacc> I'm just three or four deep at this point depending on counting.
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[22:46:40] <toastersonerson> LeftWing (IRC): You can also do defered deserialisation. Basicly only parse the data you are interested in and jump the rest. Thats how my go implementation handles it.
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[22:47:15] <toastersonerson> That also only takes a couple of miliseconds to get the correct data
[22:47:37] <LeftWing> That's sort of how the DTrace json() routine works, too -- just wanders through the string looking for the key you're after
[22:48:32] <LeftWing> It depends on how much of the data you need to retain in memory to make the choice you're making, I think, as to whether an event-based parseing approach rather than a DOM based approach will help
[22:48:45] <toastersonerson> It's not string based though :) it is hierarchy based and.
[22:49:07] <toastersonerson> s/and//
[22:52:47] <LeftWing> Well in the DTrace json() thing you give it a basic path into the object
[22:53:00] <LeftWing> a.b.c.d[4] or something as I recall
[22:53:12] <LeftWing> As, yes, it is hierarchical
[22:53:30] <andyf> LeftWing - has the sender address of messages from Gerrit changed on purpose?
[22:54:10] <LeftWing> andyf: So I had made a mistake in the original configuration, and the domain from which people's addresses appeared to come were all rewritten to @illumos.org which is definitely wrong
[22:54:29] <andyf> That's how they always were from RB
[22:54:29] <LeftWing> Like if you were andyrocks at gmail dot com it would appear to be andyrocks at illumos dot org
[22:54:40] <LeftWing> Oh god did I make the same mistake there too
[22:54:44] <LeftWing> I suppose I did!
[22:55:00] <LeftWing> I fixed it for Gerrit
[22:55:37] <andyf> well, earlier today they were like From: "Andy Fiddaman" <devnull at illumos dot org>
[22:55:50] <andyf> but now - From: bounces+1104247-0ed7-andy=omniosce.org at sendgrid dot net
[22:55:57] <LeftWing> Oh boy
[22:56:07] <LeftWing> No that'll be sendgrid screwing with us
[22:56:14] <LeftWing> ffs
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[22:56:36] <andyf> well, it's obviously bounce detection, but now I can't tell who the messages are from :)
[22:56:51] <LeftWing> Can you gist me (privately probably) the whole raw email you got
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[23:02:02] <andyf> Oh, and that one did not pass DKIM either (domain mismatch) whereas the ones earlier today did
[23:02:51] <sjorge> That would explain why it ends up in spam, DKIM fail is almost certainly a discard but the negative -10 score probably brought it back but barely so it ended in spam.
[23:09:21] <jimklimov> well while we're at it, there is also https://github.com/42ity/JSON.sh ;p
[23:10:02] <jimklimov> perilously nice for picking out config values in miniroots and similar envs that can't carry big libs - "nearly any" shell suffices
[23:10:48] <jimklimov> alas, ksh is too different to make one script rule it all
[23:11:49] <LeftWing> OK sendgrid is officially shitting me
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