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[00:06:32] <toastersonerson> Our foundation then :)
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[03:37:40] <am11> hi, i am porting ping utility invocation to dotnet and need some information: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.networkinformation.ping?view=netcore-3.1
[03:40:13] <am11> on freebsd and macos, consider this invocation: `ping -c 1 -m 0 -D -s 16 google.com`. on linux: `ping -c -t 0 -M do -s 16 google.com`. on netbsd, it looks like this: `ping -c 1 -t 0 -D -s 16 google.com`. (there is a busybox variant, which im ignoring.)
[03:41:06] <am11> on smartos, the equivalent for the above variants i have found is `ping -c 1 -t 0 -D -s google.com 16`.
[03:41:54] <am11> however, it does not like ttl value 0 and complains `ping: setsockopt IP_TTL Invalid argument`.
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[03:43:11] <am11> is it a known behavior or is this issue specific to my environment?
[03:45:03] <am11> if i remove `-t 0`, it works fine.
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[04:00:28] <rmustacc> am11: I do not believe it is specific to your environment. It appears it's illegal in the implementation to set an IP TTL of zero.
[04:01:54] <rmustacc> am11: Also, I put together a uchar.h and implementation of the maximum address bits. Any chance you can verify the uchar.h bits would work in the context of .net?
[04:07:04] <am11> rmustacc: thanks. uchar.h was only used by a test suite (for PAL), for `char16_t` definition. it was fixed by defining `char16_t` in the test header and removing the include (https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/35218/files).
[04:13:45] <am11> rmustacc: +1, true, the value 0 is illegal on other platforms as well. api propagates error to the user.
[04:14:24] <am11> (i missed value 1 after `-c 1` in the above examples)
[04:14:51] <am11> (and on netbsd -T instead of -t) :)
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[05:26:39] <am11> is /etc/release available on all Illumos/Solaris distros? and do they follow a uniform format?
[05:35:02] <am11> the datastructure i am working with required ID (e.g. Alpine Linux, FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Linux etc.), and Version type (e.g. 18.04, 12 or blank).
[05:35:33] <LeftWing> I don't believe there is a standard format for /etc/release files
[05:36:08] <LeftWing> It's possible that some distributions will ship an /etc/os-release file that looks like the Linux distribution file generally does
[05:36:18] <LeftWing> OmniOS does, anyway
[05:36:46] <am11> +1, i couldn't find that file on SmartOS and OpenIndiana.
[05:36:55] <LeftWing> I don't believe they ship one today
[05:38:13] <LeftWing> I think it depends on what people intend to use the Version for
[05:38:30] <LeftWing> I'd be inclined to just say "illumos" for the OS and leave the Version blank if that's acceptable?
[05:39:55] <am11> the use-case is that we have a concept called RID - runtime identifier. this helps the dotnet's hosting layer to load correct runtime assemblies during the coreclr initialization. the other, more user-facing usage of this RID is nuget pacakges, where thrid party package can chose to be as specific as DistroX, VersionY (or they can be as relaxed as AnyOS or AnyUnix etc.).
[05:41:54] <am11> so far, i have figured that in case of OpenIndiana, it will capture ID: OpenIndiana, Version: 2019.10 for instance.
[05:42:25] <am11> in case of SmartOS, ID: SmartOS and Version is empty (same the case with Gentoo and other "running versions" distros)
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[05:44:53] <am11> in case of freebsd and netbsd, the api calls uname(3), and the struct provides version correctly, on smartos, i just get SunOS 5.11 which is not helpful for the aforementioned RID usecase.
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[05:48:10] <am11> in case of freebsd and netbsd, the api calls uname(3), and the struct provides version correctly, on smartos, i just get SunOS 5.11 which is not helpful for the aforementioned RID usecase.
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[07:24:27] <jbk> rmustacc or LeftWing: I don't suppose you recall offhand if you hit anything in illumos-extra where autoconf would try to use new libs from the proto area, but then the tests would fail because it'd build a test program, link against the new libs, then fail because the new libs aren't present on the build host?
[07:24:44] <jbk> (just wondering if there might be an existing example I can draw inspriation from)
[07:24:59] <LeftWing> I'm sure if you look back through the log there are examples of that yes
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[07:26:05] <LeftWing> jbk: What is broken?
[07:26:10] <jbk> screen
[07:26:46] <jbk> it's illumos-extra specific
[07:26:54] <LeftWing> Is this because of libutempter
[07:26:57] <jbk> yeah
[07:26:59] <LeftWing> mmmmmm
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[07:27:13] <jbk> the configure script sees it, adds '-lutempter' to it's libs
[07:27:14] <LeftWing> You'll just have to patch it not to run the test program
[07:27:27] <LeftWing> It's fine to link against it, as it will be in the platform
[07:27:36] <LeftWing> It's just not OK to run programs from the proto area
[07:29:08] <LeftWing> jbk: "OS-2724 bind build reaches into the proto area" maybe?
[07:29:53] <LeftWing> or "OS-2215 curl uses LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the proto area"
[07:30:19] <LeftWing> Some software is broken and does not understand the difference between the build host and the target
[07:30:25] <LeftWing> And just needs to be patched
[07:33:19] <jbk> heh yeah.. it seems like screen (at least the version in there) doesn't
[07:33:52] <LeftWing> I recommend writing the synopsis in a metre, and using the "metre" JIRA label, to highlight the frustration
[07:35:41] <jbk> .. hmm.. it looks like the cross-compiling bit might be fixed in newer versions of screen
[07:35:56] <LeftWing> Ah but what else is broken! :D
[07:38:47] <rmustacc> I definitely hit that and fixed a number of cases with patches.
[07:38:55] <rmustacc> I don't recall any examples at this point, sorry.
[07:40:29] <jbk> np.. figure it can't hurt to ask :)
[07:42:03] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12691 Want means of getting the maximum user address in a process -- Robert Mustacchi <rm at fingolfin dot org>
[07:42:45] <rmustacc> am11: ^ has the run-time means for getting what you asked for. Works via sysconf. I'd suggest trying it and if you get -1 then falling back to the built-in. I purposefully avoided a new symbol to make it easier for that in .net.
[07:46:38] <LeftWing> jbk: Perhaps "libutempter now in proto, screen runs tests and that's a no-no" !
[07:47:42] <jbk> i might just use that :)
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[07:48:02] <LeftWing> ha
[07:48:32] <LeftWing> It can go on the mantle with the other "metre" tickets lol
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[08:37:27] <am11> need to select a package manager to build rootfs for cross compilation on Linux CI, that uses the crossgen tools for managed dotnet libraries (and disables ReadyToRun for SDK cross-compile).
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[08:38:14] <am11> i have spent a day to figure out best counterpart for this freebsd support https://github.com/dotnet/arcade/blob/032e7213/eng/common/cross/build-rootfs.sh#L243
[08:41:26] <am11> i used pkgsrc's Q1 bundle, https://github.com/am11/arcade/commit/d7154628ee687269fd2b522f2d1abcca8ee1ff80, it fails on compiling ICU's deps.
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[08:43:54] <am11> is OI's package managed known to be more friendlier than pkgsrc for dependencies acquisition in cross-compilation scenarios?
[08:45:58] <tsoome> am11 very m much doubt. and it is not really about package manager, it is about how developers have stated dependencies.
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[08:49:42] <tsoome> am11, did you see my response?:P
[08:50:25] <am11> tsoome: nope
[08:50:33] <tsoome> am11 very m much doubt. and it is not really about package manager, it is about how developers have stated dependencies.
[08:57:43] <am11> tsoome, hmm but wouldn't that be a same problem with every other package manager https://github.com/am11/arcade/commit/da1c6e1407295fb9800652160b908a9449298d0a script is supporting?
[08:58:01] <am11> or is there any fundamental difference in solaris-like distros which i am missing?
[08:58:45] <am11> script currently supports debian, tizen, android (separate script next to it), freebsd, alpine etc. with each one with its own pkg manager
[09:00:11] <tsoome> pkg (IPS) and pkgsrc are different ones:)
[09:00:56] <am11> ik
[09:01:31] <am11> which one is more suitable for this use-case?
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[09:03:51] <tsoome> well, there is no "one suit fits all", distributions use their own logic.
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[09:19:31] <sjorge> am11 parsing distro is a pain, I have some python code in salt for that... let me look for it...https://github.com/saltstack/salt/blob/master/salt/grains/core.py#L2071 (its a mix of uname -v (to ge smartos) and an attempt at /etc/release
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[09:22:01] <am11> thing which we don't need is to compile the dependencies packages on linux, but instead pull the packages built for illumos on linux so the cross compilation can link to the correct libs of target os.
[09:23:23] <am11> can use curl/wget to pull all the required libs packages.. was trying to avoid that.
[09:23:46] <am11> rmustacc: i will take a look thanks! :)
[09:23:54] <sjorge> I guess if you use pkgsrc it could in theory work on most distros as you can installed pkgscr on all of them, if you use ips the paths might be different or mising between say OI or OmniOS
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[09:35:27] <am11> sjorge: if we have pkgin tool compiled on debian, can we tweak the config (or something else?) to make it pull smartos binary packages on linux and install in rootfs? like this line https://github.com/dotnet/arcade/blob/032e721372fc/eng/common/cross/build-rootfs.sh#L259 is pulling icu libnotify etc. binary packages for freebsd in freebsd rootfs on debian.
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[14:22:03] <sjorge> Potentially, there is a linux pkgsrc repo on pkgsrc.joyent.com
[14:22:11] <sjorge> That works well on Linux
[14:22:18] <sjorge> I used it with alpine before
[14:23:20] <sjorge> But I’d not use pkgin, use the bundle from there to get a minima thing setup, then use pkg_add directly and specify the illumos repository and an alternative path to install those too. Should not be super hard
[14:23:52] <sjorge> So you don’t have to go mess with the pkgin cache and stuff. As that I just a front end for pkg_add and _delete
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[14:59:06] <sjorge> Now that I am not on my phone
[15:01:24] <sjorge> am11: https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/install-on-linux/, you can then use PKG_PATH=https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/packages/SmartOS/trunk/x86_64/All/ pkg_add -K /build/pkgdb -p /build/workdir
[15:01:33] <sjorge> something like that, well add the packgname at the end
[15:01:41] <sjorge> should work and pull in the illumos binaries
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[15:12:27] <sjorge> Ah they are not here rn
[15:12:30] <sjorge> Oh well :p
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[17:06:19] <jbk> tsoome: ypankov: ping on https://illumos.org/rb/r/2552/
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[17:28:34] <ypankov> Jason King got a fish trophy!
[17:28:38] <ypankov> :)
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[18:50:01] <ypankov> tsoome: are those new issues detected by gcc10 same as -fno-common being fixed in FreeBSD?
[18:50:15] <tsoome> yes
[18:50:25] <ypankov> great.
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[19:44:42] <sjorge> We done with gcc9?
[19:44:46] <sjorge> We being some :D
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[19:49:37] <tsoome> sjorge, 9 is not done yet
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[20:03:05] <tsoome> is double _Complex making & more complicated?
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[20:03:27] <rmustacc> What do you mean?
[20:03:30] <tsoome> & like take address
[20:03:37] <tsoome> & as*
[20:03:37] <rmustacc> Shouldn't be?
[20:03:58] <tsoome> double _Complex v; and expression is ((double *)&v)[0] = (double)((a * c + b * d) * r);
[20:04:12] <tsoome> and gcc is complaining v is not initialized.
[20:04:22] <tsoome> does not make much sense:)
[20:05:48] <tsoome> now, the fun part is, if I add double *p; p = (double *)&v;, the warning is gone, even as the assignment is exactly the same:)
[20:06:11] <tsoome> probably bug in gcc.
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[20:26:30] <wilbury> reviewboard is improperly linked: "https://www.illumos.org/issues/https://www.illumos.org/issues/12729"
[20:28:34] <ypankov> wilbury: it looks like Alex just did it incorrectly
[20:29:47] <wilbury> ah
[20:29:49] <wilbury> ok
[20:30:01] <wilbury> some sanity checks are needed, tho
[20:34:05] <wilbury> is there .po file for bootadm?
[20:34:13] <wilbury> if yes, it would also need update
[20:34:36] <wilbury> as there is _() for error messages
[20:34:50] <ypankov> .po files are constructed automatically unless explicitly overriden
[20:35:30] <ypankov> not that there's some real translation effort :)
[20:36:40] <jbk> andyf: https://pastebin.com/Y8VEkNii -- which one is the right package?
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[21:10:39] <jbk> hrm
[21:12:09] <jbk> rmustacc: your uaddr change breaks omnios and smartos
[21:12:31] <jbk> because both have OS-5738
[21:12:58] <jbk> which adds _CONFIG_NPROC_NCPU as 48
[21:13:09] <jbk> :(
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[21:15:32] <jbk> though it looks like that was only added for the test for that fix
[21:15:49] <jbk> (that == _CONFIG_NPROC_NCPU)
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[21:25:40] <rmustacc> jbk: sysconfig is a private interface so, adjust it?
[21:27:01] <jbk> it is?
[21:27:05] <rmustacc> It is.
[21:27:19] <rmustacc> It even says so at the top of the header!
[21:28:40] <rmustacc> The symbol's even in libc's SUNWprivate1.1.
[21:30:03] <rmustacc> You'll note the test program even extern's the symbol. It's not even in a header file.
[21:30:25] <rmustacc> It is in libc.h, but that's private to libc.
[21:30:43] <rmustacc> I'd suggest you change the value downstream. And maybe upstream changes to avoid future breakage.
[21:32:39] <rmustacc> Does that seem reasonable?
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[21:38:58] <jbk> well i was going to suggest upstreaming this change (since it never happened originally -- probably because while it's not part of the lx code, it was to help LX) to figure out the best way to coordinate
[21:39:38] <rmustacc> Well, I'd change yourself to 49 to unbreak yourself.
[21:39:40] <rmustacc> And then upstream that?
[21:40:32] <rmustacc> The only consumer of the private interface at your end is a test. I don't think it'll be that big a deal?
[21:41:02] <jbk> that's what I was trying to figure out..
[21:41:42] <jbk> i was confusing it with sysconf
[21:41:50] <jbk> (which would have been a bigger problem)
[21:42:26] <rmustacc> Yes, which means at least the rule I'd tried to put in place at Joyent was violated.
[21:43:05] <rmustacc> But sysconf the libc interface and sysconfig the system call are different. Though we use the latter in parts of the former.
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[22:22:31] <LeftWing> To be clear on that rule, I believe you're talking about our practice of trying to make sure additional interface surface area goes upstream first
[22:22:47] <LeftWing> e.g., if you're going to add a new flag to some public tool, or a new constant to some interface like sysconf()
[22:22:48] <sjorge> New iPad does not know the word tsoome yet, but iPhone does haha
[22:23:05] <sjorge> How did we hit the gcc 10 issue if we
[22:23:08] <tsoome> should I be afraid?:=
[22:23:13] <sjorge> Are still doing 9
[22:23:26] <tsoome> I have both 9 and 10:)
[22:23:35] <LeftWing> Some people have skipped ahead in the story haha
[22:23:42] <jbk> sjorge: it's the all new instant compiler.. it compiles before you compile
[22:24:26] <tsoome> distributions do not sleep:)
[22:25:24] <jbk> (re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWmVlgIR2HA)
[22:25:28] <sjorge> Well depends if you are scare of being my autocomplete :D
[22:25:38] <sjorge> Also pretty sure I do not compile at all
[22:28:00] <sjorge> Now I want to rewatch spaceball
[22:29:37] <jbk> heh
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[23:03:25] <andyf> jbk - you can safely ignore that and just not upgrade brand/ipkg yet - we're in a bit of a transition period
[23:03:54] <andyf> (in the bloody branch, which is where the upheaval happens)
[23:05:07] <jbk> just wondering if it's going to break onu
[23:05:31] <andyf> Let me remove the broken package from the repo
[23:05:35] <jbk> usually i'll do pkg updates periodically just to avoid having to redownload all the new bits when i'm building different repos
[23:06:02] <jbk> (i.e. get to the latest, then do the updates so it only has to download once)
[23:07:16] <andyf> Try `pkg refresh --full` and it should be ok now
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[23:16:58] <andyf> Yes, it's not fun when you do `onu` and see an updated rust package downloading :)
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[23:24:51] <richlowe> It's not?
[23:43:59] <jbk> heh
[23:44:04] <jbk> and that seemed to have worked
[23:44:05] <jbk> thanks
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