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[01:16:40] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12681 Excess service times for NFS(v3) locking calls -- Gordon Ross <gwr at nexenta dot com>
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[01:26:37] <sjorge> andyf wait.. we weren't running pkglint before on gate? :O
[01:27:01] <rmustacc> No.
[01:47:40] <andyf> but in the end, it did not find a great deal of problems
[01:49:46] <andyf> I said I'd add it after we found the problem installing the new mlxcx package, but it turns out it would not have caught that problem
[01:50:03] <andyf> so I've also pushed an update to `pkglint` to OmniOS and OpenIndiana to catch that particular problem in the future
[01:53:54] <rmustacc> With your update would we be able to catch that?
[01:54:03] <andyf> Yes
[01:54:12] <LeftWing> Nice!
[01:54:41] <rmustacc> I wonder if it would have caught my symlink issue.
[01:54:55] <rmustacc> Which was delivering duplicate things in some form that failed at runtime in tzinfo.
[01:57:11] <andyf> I'm not sure. oi-userland has a pkglint extension that does dangling symlink checking, which implies that pkglint doesn't do a perfect job natively
[01:57:39] <andyf> we can always consider adding extensions to gate if necessary
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[03:07:09] <Smithx10> rzezeski: I always try to be true myself :P
[03:07:19] <Smithx10> To myself *
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[06:13:50] <Shockery> Hey guuuuyssss. So I'm new to Illumos. *holds up spork.* And I'm eating a waffle! WITH GRAVYYYY! xD
[06:13:58] <Shockery> Will this run on my iPhone?
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[06:16:41] <Shockery> But for real, I've been looking at smart phones like the Fairphone 3 and those other FOSS phones, and I wonder if there's any mobile future for Illumos or its distributions.
[06:21:56] <LeftWing> Shockery: It would be a lot of work, but there's really no reason you couldn't get it to run. It's just software!
[06:22:38] <LeftWing> I don't think anybody is trying, though, certainly. It's hard enough to get support for modern graphics hardware in x86 desktops sadly.
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[08:32:19] <Shockery> So what about RISC support? And as a person who's only just heard of Illumos, is the community active? Especially when it comes to writing code for new programs and utlities.
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[08:43:18] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12602 pic16f747: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:45:36] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12622 grover: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:48:37] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12621 tazmo: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:51:17] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12646 vlds: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:55:27] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12639 n2piupc: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[08:58:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12638 ntwdt: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:01:30] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12603 gpio_87317: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:04:40] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12536 picl: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:07:29] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12611 rmclomv: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:11:17] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12607 db21554: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:13:28] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12620 littleneck: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:22:03] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12626 boston: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[09:33:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12619 mpxu: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[09:35:48] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12618 cheetah: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:38:01] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12627 seattle: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:39:59] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12628 chicago: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:41:50] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12629 daktari: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:43:18] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12631 sunfire: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:45:34] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12630 excalibur: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[09:46:26] <toastersonerson> Shockery (IRC): There is an unofficial port around wfor RPI and other dev boards. It will need integration with upstream for proper support though. https://bitbucket.org/hayashin/illumos-gate/wiki/Home
[09:47:40] <toastersonerson> And then there is still a lot of work to be done for each driver. although one can look at FreeBSD and use the existing community exchange for help.
[09:47:59] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12633 glvc: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:48:30] <toastersonerson> The other wthing you will need is a Phone UI.
[09:49:17] <toastersonerson> The most success you will probably have with What the folks at Librem are doing, as that is gnome3 with customisations, which is know to work.
[09:50:05] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12614 todds1287: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:52:20] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12634 niumx: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:55:10] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12615 todds1337: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:57:33] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12617 pcie: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[09:59:44] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12616 cpr: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[10:01:37] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12651 vsw: NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[10:03:29] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12652 platsvc: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
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[10:07:35] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 12653 vnet: smatch and NULL pointer errors -- Toomas Soome <tsoome at me dot com>
[10:11:14] <tsoome> sunday spam.
[10:11:29] <igork> :)
[10:19:36] <ypankov> git rm -rf usr/src/uts/s* might be easier
[10:19:39] * ypankov hides
[10:20:04] <tsoome> you haven't seen common code?:P
[10:20:50] <toastersonerson> And the people looked at the tsoome train with great anticipation, as it brings bug fixes for the masses
[10:21:57] <tsoome> 29 NULL pointer patches to go. almost done:)
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[12:02:22] <ypankov> tsoome: is this something you "implemented"? :D https://paste.ec/raw/rD0-6cxV#zyG8OeA+WRf7Btj06PQZZvC3IqT2AD0MbkIB0oU+BGV
[12:03:29] <tsoome> no, that seems like wallpaper thing
[12:04:11] <ypankov> it's there after just running `vidfont` in installer shell
[12:04:34] <ypankov> also, offtopic
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[12:36:15] <sjorge> tsoome: it’s the good kind of spam though
[12:42:56] <tsoome> ypankov you can find this stuff while searching for cpulogo or something like that.
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[16:45:06] <svschmel1> rmustacc: I have update issue 12713 similar to 12686 and attached more information and 2 dtrace-outputs. if you need more information, let me know.
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[17:41:28] <rmustacc> svschmel1: Were the DTrace scripts running while you tried to use ipadm or dladm to get the IP address or link update?
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[17:42:57] <rmustacc> svschmel1: The other thing is I have a prototype fix in 12686, it may be worth seeing if that works.
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[18:00:36] <svschmel> rmustacc: Were the DTrace scripts running... => On the server itself. The working output on the BE from March 2020, The not working out on the BE from May.
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[18:14:30] <rmustacc> I just wasn't sure what it was you did while the script was running itself on the system and just wanted to confirm that.
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[18:40:03] <pmooney> andyf: https://www.illumos.org/issues/12718 - thanks again for pointing that out
[18:40:07] <pmooney> I'll have the fix posted for CR in a minute
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[18:58:10] <andyf> Thanks :)
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[19:00:18] <andyf> and sorry about that packaging comment on bhyve.. I just happen to be looking at cleaning things up there and the manifest you took straight from OmniOS is lacking a category..
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[19:27:13] <pmooney> andyf: I don't mind. Stuff like that is easy to fix prior to going back into the gate
[19:27:22] <pmooney> super glad you saw the LDT thing, though
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[20:35:40] <ypankov> tsoome: are you?! :D
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[21:05:20] <tsoome> ypankov ?
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[21:10:52] <ypankov> tsoome: just reading that reply on the list..
[21:11:58] <LeftWing> tsoome: I'm sorry Garrett is such a colossal pain in the arse
[21:12:17] <ypankov> Yep, that wasn't nice.
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[21:18:59] <tsoome> I do not care too much about nice. I want people to see it is possible to get things done.
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[21:22:28] <Smithx10> tsoome: you’re killing it dude, haters gonna hate :P
[21:23:13] <tsoome> na, no need to hate anything:)
[21:23:35] <tsoome> we need actions, not hate.
[21:23:56] <LeftWing> There's no reason we cannot also be civil
[21:24:09] <LeftWing> If you're exhausted, have a nap
[21:24:44] <LeftWing> I agree that all of the NULL pointer SPARC fixes could be bulked together, but I'm not actually doing the work so I'm not grumping about it
[21:25:24] <Smithx10> Hahaha 😂... I’ll pitch in for getting an Illumos blankie for anyone that needs one
[21:25:45] <Smithx10> A little gofundme + twitter action
[21:26:37] <Smithx10> I can’t code for shit, maybe I can knit better :P
[21:29:36] <tsoome> LeftWing, if that huge bundle turns out to be bad, it means we will back it all out and start again. (I know, this is extreme example, but plain enough)
[21:32:41] <tsoome> if you want to start to review and code, it is much less scary to start with patch for w than with some monster patch for kernel (even if the change is as trivial as changing NULL to 0).
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[21:34:02] <LeftWing> tsoome: It's a trade-off, and we don't agree on where the line is, but that's ok
[21:35:06] <LeftWing> What matters is that we try to work together and we don't treat each other poorly as a result of not always agreeing
[21:35:18] <tsoome> true.
[21:35:49] <LeftWing> I have a big ttymon change coming haha
[21:36:14] <tsoome> as long as you do not bundle it with zfs fix:P
[21:36:22] <LeftWing> Haha
[21:36:27] <LeftWing> I'll try to restrain myself
[21:37:31] <LeftWing> At the end of the day, if we make the software better, and we don't break it, the particulars are less important
[21:38:43] <tsoome> I do not mind it getting broken from time to time, it is part of the learning.
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[21:40:14] <LeftWing> Mistakes can certainly occur, what's important is avoiding repeats
[21:44:15] <toastersonerson> Mistakes are inevitable the question is where we make them. Being a bit wise where we experiment (subset of users) can help keep things stable
[21:46:17] <tsoome> toastersonerson, thats not something you can pick really:D
[21:46:55] <toastersonerson> With the current distro setup we can at least somewhat do it.
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[21:49:58] <LeftWing> Certainly users with the need to avoid breakage can use a distribution like OmniOS that has a gated release process and a bunch of their own testing
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[21:53:32] <toastersonerson> I was more referring to how we kind of gate features from smartos through OmniOS finally upstream
[21:57:55] <LeftWing> I don't think that's necessarily an intentional plan
[21:58:12] <LeftWing> More that we got so far behind in SmartOS upstreaming that it was then hard to catch up
[21:58:38] <LeftWing> And we made a fair number of changes in a way that made it hard to separate out the ones that weren't ever intended to be upstreamed
[21:59:06] <LeftWing> I think the same thing has happened to Nexenta, except they're obviously a lot less open with their source and engineers
[21:59:17] <tsoome> now you are not supposed to review without providing patches first.
[21:59:52] <LeftWing> Hmm?
[22:00:42] <tsoome> Second mail from Garrett:)
[22:00:58] <toastersonerson> LeftWing (IRC): Yeah true. but it works like a bit of gating :)
[22:01:29] <toastersonerson> And looking at the recent things of nexenta they seem to have a few more problems than just not being that open.
[22:03:41] <ypankov> Not sure I follow, everything is in open on github for releases, as required by cddl
[22:04:34] <toastersonerson> THe cddl stuff thus far yes but they are doing DMCS takedowns against edgefs repos.
[22:04:47] <toastersonerson> *DMCA
[22:04:58] <tsoome> DMCA?
[22:05:04] <ypankov> That I have no idea about
[22:05:18] <toastersonerson> Makes you wonder a bit whats up internally.
[22:05:54] <ypankov> I was commenting on "lot less open with their source"
[22:05:54] <toastersonerson> Copyright takedown law. The American copyright enactment if people upload movies for example
[22:06:22] <andyf> Is Garret implying that he does an RTI build for each of these that goes to advocates? I might be misinterpreting
[22:06:33] <andyf> *Garrett
[22:07:06] <andyf> A lot of these seemingly small fixes take me 15-20 minutes to review properly
[22:07:18] <tsoome> I started to think my MSU in comp. sci is not good enough to contribute for illumos.
[22:07:27] <tsoome> MSc*
[22:07:50] <andyf> and since each one needs testing, it doesn't always make sense to bundle them IMO
[22:07:58] <andyf> at least not as a blanket approach
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[22:21:16] <LeftWing> andyf: I don't think Garrett does anything but approve changes from his staff these days
[22:21:59] <LeftWing> tsoome: I promise you are sufficiently qualified, and we appreciate the GCC fixes
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[22:24:38] <LeftWing> andyf: I think it depends on how you're going to do the testing
[22:25:05] <andyf> It definitely depends, some of the NULL fixes don't even change the binary
[22:25:15] <andyf> but some of them find and fix real bugs
[22:25:22] <LeftWing> Right, and I think it would be fine to bulk every single wsdiff-clean change together
[22:25:33] <andyf> there is somewhere between lumping them together and doing everything one-by-one
[22:25:45] <andyf> but as you said, we aren't doing the work
[22:25:48] <LeftWing> Right
[22:25:57] <LeftWing> There are many ways, as they say, to skin a cat
[22:26:16] <LeftWing> What's important (at the project level) is that things get better, and things are not broken
[22:26:25] <LeftWing> There are many ways to get that done
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[22:28:28] * LeftWing tries very hard not to make a Mail for Windows 10 joke
[22:29:09] <jlevon> we'll write our own
[22:29:21] <LeftWing> lol
[22:29:54] * ypankov is waiting for the joke
[22:30:01] <toastersonerson> As long as there does not start to be messages saying sent by Microsoft Teams
[22:30:01] <LeftWing> Would that we could avoid saying the quiet part out loud
[22:30:25] <andyf> Is that the thing that does not thread properly? :)
[22:30:35] <LeftWing> It sure is
[22:30:38] <andyf> I'll stick with Alpine, thanks
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[22:31:12] <toastersonerson> andyf (IRC): is ALpine a mail app?
[22:31:30] <LeftWing> One with a long and distinguished history!
[22:31:45] <LeftWing> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
[22:31:47] <andyf> yes - it followed on from Pine
[22:31:58] <sjorge> Isn't this a struggle a lot of places have... granularity vs bulk bundling
[22:32:02] <andyf> I haven't used elm since the early 90s
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[22:32:12] <LeftWing> sjorge: Yes
[22:32:20] <sjorge> I don't think there is indeed a clear line to what is better, it really depends on a lot of factors
[22:32:28] <LeftWing> It is all trade-offs
[22:32:35] <LeftWing> And everybody has a preference
[22:32:36] <sjorge> Also I agee with everyone here, tsoome is doing great stuff for all the gcc and sparc fixes!
[22:32:45] <wilbury> +1
[22:33:02] <wilbury> he's also doing very good work at freebsd, too
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[22:33:48] <sjorge> yes, although maybe less visible to people here
[22:34:15] <sjorge> Certainly a lot of people on the FreeBSD core team know of him and the work he does, which is always a good sign
[22:34:22] <sjorge> Well at least the core members I know personally
[22:34:51] <LeftWing> The advocates doing the heavy lifting these days are certainly aware
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[22:39:38] <sjorge> Bah gerrit on an iphone screen is a pita
[22:41:50] <sjorge> I can basically only see the top 2 entries in gerrit
[22:41:54] <sjorge> anyway, time for bed
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[23:20:35] <toastersonerson> Hey no mail for WIndows 10 anymore :)
[23:21:02] <LeftWing> siiiigh :P
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